IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-03-26

hawaii_Apart from timing a process kill and spawning a separate one at an rxvt - how else can I do it?00:00
hawaii_C'mon. There are 400 of you punks. Somebody tell me.00:03
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messertingSorry, but I haven't paid attention the last several weeks: Where do I find up to date info about the future of Maemo/Meego after the Nokia/Microsoft (devastating) news?00:11
SpeedEvilNokia left meego - mostly00:12
SpeedEvilSo intel are now going it alone, and have made vastr changes to meego, ripping out mostr of the nokia stuff.00:12
messertingSo, will Intel come to the rescue...?00:12
SpeedEvilThere is a meego product upcoming from nokia this year, it's a phone, and little more is known about it.00:12
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messertingYeah, not much advertised00:13
SpeedEvilIntel will not be releasing for rthe n900 if that's what you mean.00:13
messertingWell, I've got a N900, but never expected Meego to run on it (for real)00:14
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messertingBut it would be nice to know if the platform will survive00:14
SpeedEvilWhat platform?00:15
hawaii_I need printed output, SpeedEvil. gdb won't really provide the easy info after attaching.00:15
messertingI really (really really) don't want to have to choose from iPhone/Apple WinPhone/Microsoft00:15
SpeedEvilIf you mean maemo - there is no future plans for more maemo phones.00:15
messerting"platform" is maybe the wrong word. I mean a phone running Linux/Qt with some nice apps00:16
SpeedEvilmeego - there is one plan for a meego-related phone fromnokia this year.00:16
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SpeedEvilThen it's unclear what will happen.00:16
hawaii_So move to WebOS.00:16
messertingok. sad.00:16
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messertingWebOS: "a proprietary mobile operating system running on the Linux kernel". ok...00:18
SpeedEvilIMO - it's a sufficiently fas-moving space that trying to look ahead more than 6 months is difficult.00:18
SpeedEvilAnd pointless.00:18
hawaii_messerting - It sure is better than your other options; Android, iOS, Blackberry or WP7.00:19
hawaii_WebOS is the closest thing you'll find to Maemo/MeeGo.00:19
messertinghawaii_: true00:20
SpeedEvilSome people are still selling openmoko freerunners.00:20
SpeedEvilWhich is probably the closest.00:20
SpeedEvilBut is not exactly new hardware.00:20
hawaii_Well, Maemo itself, would be the closest.00:20
hawaii_OpenMoko is hardly flourishing...even when compared to Maemo 5.00:20
messertingHaha, I've got one (Freerunner)00:20
SpeedEvilmesserting: yeah.00:21
SpeedEvilmesserting: Have you tried more recent OS on it? Things have improved a fair bit since launch.00:21
messertingI installed latest Qt-based a couple of month ago00:21
messertingStill doesn't work as a phone00:21
messertingTried SHR a year ago or so.00:22
messertingIt was a very promising project - that failed, unfortunately00:23
messertingSad to see Maemo/Meego fail too...00:23
wmarone_meego's not done yet00:24
messertingFor what it's worth - I am really impressed and really satisfied with my n900/maemo. Suits my needs indeed.00:25
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SpeedEvilI'm depressed in many ways that much effort is going into rooting, and using rooted phones.00:32
SpeedEvilWhen that's a fundamentally unsustainable activity that goes away if the developers employ someone that's passed encryption10100:33
GAN900SpeedEvil, there's why I think Google is truly evil.00:33
wmarone_people just accept it, and they'll yell at you if you try to argue that you shouldn't have to00:33
SpeedEvilhawaii_: Because it's wasted effort, that is detracting from open phones.00:33
GAN900Think of all of the talented people wasting their energy.00:34
wmarone_but the carriers too hate open phones00:34
SpeedEvilwmarone_: That somewhat varies in other countries.00:34
wmarone_I'd wager that most hardware OEMs do too00:34
Proteouseven if you have passed encryption101 it's still a very hard problem00:34
hawaii_I fail to see how it's a wasted effort.00:35
hawaii_Google isn't providing suid access. People want it.00:35
SpeedEvilProteous: It is getting much less hard all the time.00:35
Proteousis it?00:35
SpeedEvilhawaii_: It's wasted as it is per-phone-model.00:35
wmarone_SpeedEvil: sure, but as I noted, vendors will act that way too. see the milestone, which is crippled due to motorola00:35
hawaii_Not really. It's per OEM+Android CO build00:35
SpeedEvilProteous: yes - as the CPUs support encryption better. And the ROM and RAM are integrated.00:35
hawaii_If HTC vanilla flashes the same build across 7 devices - they will all have the same vuln.00:36
SpeedEvilProteous: To do it 'right' - all you need is a signed boot ROM in the SOC (this exists), that loads a signed bootloader with no exploitable bugs, that loads a signed kernel.00:36
GAN900hawaii_, view it as effort that's not going into making MeeGo awsome.00:36
hawaii_SpeedEvil, "no exploitable bugs".00:37
Proteousthe devil is in the implementation00:37
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Proteousit's not a tech problem, it's a programing securly problem00:37
SpeedEvilThis is not trivial. But many of the 'roots' reported are _REALLY_REALLY_REALLY_FUCKING_BASIC_00:37
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SpeedEvilAs in - you don't make these sort of mistakes if you've actually studied the subject, rather than read the docs of a few crypto libraries and thought you understood it.00:37
Proteousmaking a device that is unrootable for consumer applications just isn't really worth spending the money on00:37
SpeedEvilIt's not actually any harder.00:38
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Proteoussure, it can made doing a lot of other stuff harder00:38
hawaii_So what you're essentially saying is - "make your code secure".00:38
hawaii_That could be said for just about ANY computing issue.00:38
Proteouslegetimate stuff that the phone maker will want to do00:38
SpeedEvilIt's akin to making a calculator program that does not bomb when you divide by zero.00:38
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SpeedEvilProteous: nothing the phone provider wants to do is made harder - they have the root key, signing is trivial.00:39
hawaii_Programmers don't write inherently secure code.00:39
hawaii_They. Do. not.00:39
SpeedEvilYou do not need inherently secure code.00:39
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SpeedEvilMost of the exploits have been around trivial and glaring design bugs.00:39
SpeedEvilNot 'clever' exploits.00:39
hawaii_So it has nothing to do with what you said though00:40
Proteoushawaii that's because every programer of every device is a moron!00:40
hawaii_You eluded to "secure SoC TPMC, chainload signed ROM and boot"00:40
SpeedEvilhawaii_: yes.00:40
hawaii_When the holes being exploited are irrelevant of bootloaders at this time.00:41
hawaii_These are userland and priv-esc vulns00:41
hawaii_Only Motorola has felt a puny amount of backlash from "eFuse"00:41
SpeedEvilhawaii_: Sure - signed bootloader, and signed kernel limits the exploit surface lots.00:41
SpeedEvilAnd means you can't reflash the kernel.00:41
hawaii_Try telling Apple that.00:42
SpeedEvilProperly implemented signed...00:42
hawaii_They've implemented ASLR and have been using signed ROM and bootloaders00:42
hawaii_but their shit is broken wide open continuously.00:42
hawaii_You can't just say "signed bootloader and signed kernel limits" and tada00:43
SpeedEviltrip0: This in many ways is not interesting other than a proof of concept. It's going to be very different than the 'meego' device released.00:43
Proteousyeah, you need pixxy dust and unicorns then you are set00:44
SpeedEvilhawaii_: No, you can't. It assumes a raft of other stuff.00:44
hawaii_I'd love to see that actually implemented properly - it has basically NEVER been done.00:44
SpeedEvilhawaii_: For example, a secure kernel, without exploitable priv escalation bugs, user/root seperation, ...00:44
trip0SpeedEvil, i know not of any other meego device ;)00:44
SpeedEvilSigned app-code helps lots too.00:44
hawaii_Keep day dreaming.00:44
hawaii_How long has the Linux kernel been around?00:45
hawaii_Still priv-esc in it to THIS day00:45
hawaii_How long has oBSD been auditing shit?00:45
hawaii_Still RCE in daemons to THIS day.00:45
hawaii_You think HTC has talent to throw at protecting their shit?00:45
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ProteousI wrote a totaly secure program once, I think it went: 10 PRINT HI - 20 GOTO 1000:45
SpeedEvilhawaii_: That's not quite the question. Yes, there are priv-esc bugs. If you can only installed signed apps, from makers who have not intended to put exploits in, then your attacks become more complex.00:46
hawaii_More complex != non-existant.00:46
Proteousgame consols have been doing the signed apps for ever00:46
Proteousdoesn't help00:46
hawaii_There is a time when you have to decide to stop mitigating against risks00:46
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SpeedEvilNo, there isn't.00:47
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SpeedEvilThere is a time when you start legislating against them.00:47
SpeedEvilAnd making it illegal.00:47
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* SpeedEvil waves at the record industry.00:47
Proteousillegal to root a phone?00:47
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hawaii_You can't be serious.00:47
Proteousare you saying that would be a good thing?00:47
SpeedEvilOf course not!00:47
hawaii_Ask Sony how that's going for them.00:47
SpeedEvilI want open phones.00:47
wmarone_Apple insists that jailbreaking a phone is a violation of the DMCA00:47
SpeedEvilThe most recent PS3 hack was a case in point.00:48
messertingThe strategy behind DRM...00:48
SpeedEvilThis is basically due to shitty broken design, not subtle implementation erros.00:48
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hawaii_That was the fallout of the INITIAL hack00:49
hawaii_Which was complex beyond human comprehension00:49
hawaii_Hence why it took so long for it to even happen.00:49
SpeedEvilI think this trend towards closed hardware you don't own is entirely evil, and would be very grateful if it went away tomorrow. I'm just depressed because using the shiny 'hacked' toys are reducing market and mindshare from any startup that might want to do open.00:49
hawaii_Uh, I'm going to have to disagree with that00:50
SpeedEvilThe key retrieval was complex - however it was possible only because of a really basic design erro.00:50
hawaii_If anything, closed proprietary systems are forcing people to look at open solutions00:50
hawaii_If everybody is saying "you can't do that, you can't do that"00:50
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hawaii_There will be one beaconing org that says "YES, YOU CAN DO THAT"00:51
hawaii_and people will flock.00:51
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ruskiehawaii_, sadly doesn't work00:51
ruskiebecause most people are happy enough with what is provided00:51
hawaii_but it's also because not every option is saying "no"00:51
SpeedEvilEspecially if many of the devs are satisfied by working on 'hacked' shiny cheap stuff.00:52
ruskieps3 was safe until they killed the otherOS option00:52
messertingSpeedEvil: You've got a point00:52
ruskiepanicked instead of thinking it over00:52
messerting(I've got a pint)00:52
hawaii_I'm not sure if I buy that completely, I agree, yes.00:52
hawaii_But there were people who tried until they were blue in the face00:53
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ruskiehawaii_, naturally there will always be people that will try that00:53
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ruskiethe thing is... give those that would actually crack it something else to keep them occupied00:54
messertingI'm trying to crack the encryption of my TV provider: "Impossible"00:54
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SpeedEvilmesserting: Actually, many TV encryption solutions are eak, withknown holes.00:54
RST38hTV? You watch TV>00:55
messertinghehe, yes00:55
ruskieI pay for cable... but generally get all the TV shows online through torrents00:55
RST38hWhy would anyone do that?00:55
* SpeedEvil ponders the last time he watched broadcast.00:55
ruskieatleast I can say some of that money goes back to the makers of the TV shows...00:55
messertingGot IPTV, with a Motorola STB, busybox00:55
* ruskie crawls off to bed...00:55
SpeedEvilIt's at least 2 years.00:55
hawaii_Not that they deserve your money, in any fashion, ruskie.00:56
SpeedEvilBBC iplayer ++00:56
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SpeedEvilWhich reminds me, I should really work outr why it's not running on the n90000:56
messertingSpeedEvil: Only in the UK00:56
SpeedEvilmesserting: yes. I don't care, as I'm in the UK.00:56
messertingGood for you ;)00:56
SpeedEvil(also, you only need to proxy the initial setup - teh flash srtreams are not region locked)00:56
messertingTrue, I need to get into proxies00:57
SpeedEvilIIRC - I've not looked into it, for the above reason.00:57
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nid0or you johnny foreigner's can pay for access to it as of next year ish :>00:59
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SpeedEvilI hope also we in the UK can pay for access to archives - or it's included in the licence.01:00
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nid0theyre planning on an ipad international iplayer service initially yeah, presumably with intention to expand it to proper platforms01:00
SpeedEvilAnd that the 'next year ish' doesn't mean I can't download it.01:00
messertingThe problem with such an archive, is that is won't contain the good stuff that is licensed by others (non BBC)01:01
messertingwhereas recording yourself, you'll get whatever you wan't in your own local (cheap) archive01:03
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messerting(legally, as opposed to downloading a torrent)01:04
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SpeedEvilBreaking the TOS by keeping it too long is not legal.01:23
SpeedEvilBut yes.01:23
Termanagood morning01:24
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orangeyhello all11:41
orangeyI seem to have a dead screen.11:41
orangeyis there a way to get the video onto a screen via video out?11:42
orangeyVideo out has to be enabled, if I'm not mistaken, which it's not11:42
orangeyI *do* have SSH access, though11:42
robbiethe1stWith SSH access, you can do most anything11:45
robbiethe1stI don't know how, though11:46
orangeywhen I VNC in, all I get is a 2px x ~200px black area11:46
orangeyrobbiethe1st: well, I'm having some issues reading my SMSes that are stored in there, for example11:46
orangeythey're in a sql db, but I can't get them11:46
robbiethe1stwhy not?11:46
orangeyi don't know how to read sqlite11:47
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ruskiesqlite3 file.db11:48
robbiethe1stOh; that's easy11:48
ruskiethen just run sql statements on it11:48
robbiethe1stGrab it, bring it to your computer11:48
robbiethe1stinstall the "SQLite Manager" extension for firefox11:48
robbiethe1stNice -GUI- based manager11:48
ruskieif you need such things ;)11:48
robbiethe1stI assume he does, because if he didn't, he probably wouldn't be asking such things11:49
ruskieand if you actually use that PoS that is firecrud11:49
ruskienot everyone knows how to access sqlite dbs even more advanced users11:49
robbiethe1st"users" is the operative word there - Anyone who'd be messing with one via a command line is probably a dev.11:50
orangeyhow is x11vnc supposed to work?11:51
orangeycan I not start it from ssh?11:51
ruskieI thought it's basically an X11 extension you need to load11:51
robbiethe1stI'm honestly not sure. You -can- start it, but I think you have to set the DISPLAY variable11:51
robbiethe1stenv DISPLAY=:011:52
ruskieDISPLAY=:0 command11:52
ruskieit's export DISPLAY=:0 in sh11:52
ruskieenv is csh iirc11:52
robbiethe1stworks in bash11:53
robbiethe1st<_< I only know that because when I was trying to get a gnome-terminal window to launch with a cron-job, I had to use that11:53
robbiethe1stexport may work too; I assume it will11:53
robbiethe1stBut env is what I have in my crontab file, for whatever reason11:54
ruskiecould be a crontab specific thing11:54
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ruskieanyway it's not necessary to export it into the environment11:54
ruskiejust prepend the command with the variable itself11:55
robbiethe1stHuh, could that have been what I was doing? "env DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal -e '/Data/comics/'"11:57
ruskiepossibly... env though in that is redundant11:57
orangeyso export DISPLAY=:011:57
orangeythen x11vnc from ssh doesn't work11:57
ruskieDISPLAY=:0 command11:57
ruskieDISPLAY=:0 x11vnc11:57
orangeyrather, the vncviewer gives no meaningful output11:57
ruskiebut make sure you don't have any other x11vnc instances running11:57
orangeyas root or as user?11:58
orangeyruskie: Could you try it from yours?11:58
orangeyI still get a small full width by 10 pixel height black window in vncviewer11:58
* ruskie establishes wifi with the n900...11:59
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ruskieand waits for the f... annoying updates to finish processing...12:00
ruskieI really wish cssu would get rid of this get updates on connection...12:00
ruskieor atleast make it optional12:00
cehtehupdates on connection?12:03
cehtehi must have missed somethnig or turned it off :P12:03
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ruskiex11vnc -display :0 <-- this might be what you're looking for12:03
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ruskieas user12:04
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orangeyruskie: I sshed in as root12:05
orangeysu user12:05
orangeyx11vnc -display :012:05
orangeythen vncviewer from another system12:05
orangeyand still no go12:05
ruskiedoes it display that it's listening?12:05
orangeyrfbProcessClientNormalMessage: ignoring unsupported encoding type Enc(0xFFFFFEFF)12:06
orangeythat's from another vnc viewer program I'm using..12:06
ruskieThe VNC desktop is: <-- I meant x11vnc12:06
ruskiethat works for me12:07
ruskieI did need to activate the screen first12:07
orangeyare you using xvncviewer?12:07
ruskieelse it was black12:07
orangeyok, slightly more encouraging12:08
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orangeyhmm. doesn't seem to show much in xvncviewer or xtightvncviewer/12:10
orangeywhat's left?12:10
ruskierestart? reflash?12:10
orangeywell, the problem started when the screen had too much condensation in it12:10
orangeyso unlikely a reflash will do it12:10
orangeyas for restart, done many times12:10
ruskiealso scping /home/user would be a good idea...12:11
ruskieso that you have a backup of all those files12:11
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robbiethe1stSpeaking of which, you can replace the screen for about $50US12:16
orangeyGuess what fixed it?12:16
orangeyI was trying to enable the screen via ssh12:17
orangeysuddenly the screen came to life12:17
orangeywith this:12:17
robbiethe1stCould the X server have died/got screwed up?12:17
ruskiecould be the slider got broken maybe...12:17
ruskieof course the power button should also bring the screen to life12:17
orangeyslider works fine12:17
orangeywell, that near death experience reminds me of how much I love my n90012:19
orangeyand also of how fickle electronics are12:19
SpeedEvilorangey: was the screen at all visible - the backlight?12:20
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orangeySpeedEvil: not at all12:20
SpeedEvilErr - even without the backlight, the screen is somewhat visible, I mean12:20
orangeySpeedEvil: I know what you mean12:20
orangeyI was very careful12:20
orangeyessentially, it happened like this12:20
orangeyI biked to work in -15C12:20
orangeyi hopped in the shower12:21
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orangeywhen I got out, I noted severe condensation all over12:21
orangeyI was using the machine normally for a few mins in the steamy room, then screen went dark12:21
orangeyfigured it must be the condensation, so I let it dry for my shift - 9 hrs.12:21
orangeystill no go, so I started hacking around12:21
orangeyand here we are12:21
DocScrutinizeraaah, fixed by voodoo12:21
DocScrutinizersend "echo foo >bar" until water evaporates12:22
orangeyhehehehe : )12:22
orangeyanyway, finally I did the command in that pastebin ( )12:22
orangeyand the screen miraculously came back to life12:23
orangeyruskie: Now the VNC works as expected, by the way12:24
* orangey shakes the n90012:25
DocScrutinizerI'd suggest a proper drying procedure followed by a usual boot12:25
orangeydon't ever do that to me again!12:25
orangeyDocScrutinizer: All is back to normal now12:25
DocScrutinizerif you say so12:25
SpeedEvilRemove batteries _always_12:25
SpeedEvilif you suspect condensation12:25
SpeedEvilat least to the point of misbehaviour.12:25
orangeySpeedEvil: i let it dry for now ~ 10 hrs12:26
SpeedEvilAnd then dry thouroughly.12:26
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SpeedEvilCondensation can cause - for example - voltage regulators to be mis-set and to overvoltage stuff.12:26
cehtehput it in the microwave for faster d(ry)ing :P12:26
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orangeywhy do the most awesome gadgets always get the most terrible support?12:27
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orangeywith the exception of the WRT54g, of course.12:28
DocScrutinizercorrosion may go on even when _screen_ is back to 'normal'12:28
orangeyI love both my n810 and n90012:28
orangeyDocScrutinizer: shhhh. you're ruining my moment12:28
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keriothe sheevaplug has great support12:30
DocScrutinizerbut well, if you're not willing to remove battery and dry it for a few days, then in your special situation watching video all the time at max brightness is probably the second best thing you can do :-P12:30
DocScrutinizeras it nicely heats up the system12:31
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DocScrutinizer-8mhm, so let's see where's that opera thing for diablo12:46
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DocScrutinizer-8what an AWESOME piece of software! Kudos Opera13:08
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DocScrutinizerrendering is kinda slow on N810, but once it finished, the UX is incredible13:31
DocScrutinizer51let's see...13:32
arcolDocScrutinizer: and how is it on n900? do you have one, no?13:34
DocScrutinizer51let's see...13:34
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, rendering of what on N810?13:38
MohammadAGmerlin1991, cloned the FMTX dialog in the mediaplayer, I think it does all checks now13:38
MohammadAG(USB cable, headphones etc)13:39
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MohammadAGand the checks can be disabled13:39
MohammadAGactually, Venemo cloned it, I just added the functionality with DBus now :P13:39
VenemoMohammadAG, :)13:39
DocScrutinizer51Venemo: ??13:40
Venemo[12:31] <DocScrutinizer> rendering is kinda slow on N810 -> rendering of what?13:40
DocScrutinizer51of webspages?13:41
Venemoah. ok13:41
arcolcan somebody help me with packaging for maemo?13:41
arcolI would like to package python-elementary (and thus all enlightenment library)13:41
arcolI have some basic questions. When switching target platform inside scratchbox, do it have separate set of installed applications? (ie. do I need to upgrade the sdk to 1.3 in each platform?)13:44
Venemoarcol, yes, you have to13:47
arcolalso the sdk did put a separate Xephyr launcher icon on the desktop (Maemo5 SDK). It does launch a phone-like interface just fine. However from scratchbox Im unable to launch the gui13:48
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DocScrutinizer51indeed, the nice UI concept and experience is the same on Opera11 for N900. Recommended14:05
DocScrutinizer51NB I haven't checked the ToS14:06
RST38hEHLO punks14:10
RST38hDocS: How are the radionuclides tonight?14:10
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DocScrutinizer51swimming like the sea fish14:19
DocScrutinizer51while most of them have three concurrent parties in a debris bed14:19
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DocScrutinizer51well, 1.8 rsp 2.2m of core are exposed, and when tepco filled in ('injected') SEAwater, they went 'DUH there's steam and a rise in core vessel pressure! Let's better stop this"14:24
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DocScrutinizer51what the hell else they thought will happen when they cool down a almost or already melting core by injecting water?? I'd say 'hooray the water seems to cool the core, we get lots of steam which shows it has been about time. Let's go on until it stops creating steam"14:26
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DocScrutinizer51tepco missed the right time to do this. Now their options are severely limited14:28
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DocScrutinizeryou could tell the story with minimal changes if you'd talk about your car's engine and its cooling instead of a reactor14:30
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kerioDocScrutinizer, the EE that also knows about car engines and nuclear reactors14:33
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DocScrutinizeryay, my sarcasm detector alarm yelled way too loud14:33
kerioDocScrutinizer: <314:33
kerioplease don't ban me14:34
DocScrutinizerwhy should I? Did you do anything inappropriate to the channel?14:35
DocScrutinizerit's more like it's been me going OT like I did several times each day for the last two weeks14:36
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DocScrutinizerkerio: honestly, first thing they did at Fucku was 'venting to reduce PV pressure', which of course resulted in water escaping from reactor as steam. Now when they fill in new water, what would they expect the new water to do? OF COURSE it also will need to escape as steam, and you need to continue doing this procedure as fast as you can, until the pressure inside PV stays in limits and the water level stays high enough to cover the core14:43
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DocScrutinizer...while concurrently you should try to get normal closed loop cooling back to function, so energy can transport out of core and containment not by steam but by water pumped to a heat exchanger and then back into core14:46
RST38hDocS: well some of the water might seep down through cracks14:47
DocScrutinizeryeah, now. in block314:47
RST38hWhich means they won't be ableto restore the normal cooling, most likely14:47
RST38h...Samsung unveiled new Galaxy Tab tablets and showed videos of interviews with 'true-life' users who raved about the Tab, including a travel writer, a filmmaker, and a real-estate CEO. One problem: the writer and the CEO are actually New York stage actors.14:48
DocScrutinizeras mentioned above. They missed to do the right ting right time, now their options are severely limited14:48
kerioRST38h: lol14:48
* RST38h is not sure there has been the right thing to do from the start =(14:48
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RST38hPoor Samsung, couldn't get a CEO and a travel writer. I wonder where they got a filmmaker though and how much they paid...14:49
DocScrutinizerRST38h: obviously not. But they didn't even try to do the 'wrong' thing right14:50
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RST38hAh, today RSS feeds just keep delivering:
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RST38h(in short: CMU stops teaching freshmen OO programming)14:53
DocScrutinizerinstead they were shocked about the 'wrong' thing (injecting seawater) worked as expected and so gave them same "problems" again (overpressure), so they decided to reduce/stop even that, to trade in high pressure for a veritable coremelt14:53
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RST38hthey started relieving pressure *before* injecting the seawater14:53
DocScrutinizerwhich reduced amount of water in cooling14:54
RST38heither way, a device that can only remain stable with external power supply and blows up when that supply fails is not something I would like to see anywhere near myself14:54
DocScrutinizerso they thought when they refill, then WHY should this new water also create pressure/steam??14:54
DocScrutinizer3 stooges14:54
RST38hso, the real stooge here is GE who designed this thing in the 70s14:55
DocScrutinizeractually releasing steam without *same time* refilling the exact amount of water that got lost as steam was the first and worst bad thing they did14:58
RST38hwould not change a thing14:59
* RST38h got to use the latest Ovi Maps for routing yesterday: cooool15:00
DocScrutinizerit would create a continuous cooling15:00
RST38hWish we had something like that i Maemo...15:00
RST38hDocS: Also continuous stream of vapor15:00
arcolcan somebody give me an angrybirds .deb package?15:00
RST38hDocS: Very visible, if not poisonous. Instant seppuku for whoever allowed that.15:01
arcolon my device it is not cached anymore (/var/cache/apt/archives), and in ovi store it marks, I already downloaded15:01
DocScrutinizerif there's so much energy created inside the containment that the system needs to vent steam then you need to sustain that steam venting until another better cooling is established, and to sustain it you need to refill water constantly15:01
DocScrutinizerRST38h: exactly. What I said. They traded in relatively harmless steam escaping from CV by just sitting and watching core to meltdown15:03
RST38hDocS: Their fate has been sealed once Asahi Shimbun published an article in 1986 claiming that "Russians can only be trusted with a balalaika" :)15:04
DocScrutinizernot that I couldn't understand this mindset. I'm postponing my next visit at dentist since 12 months now. I know it will get only worse15:04
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RST38hDocS: Karma. Dangerous thing to lose.15:04
DocScrutinizernow they send in "volunteers" into water with 3.8MBq/cm^3 to fix the cooling. HELL what do they think will happen when they start that cooling? It also needs water15:07
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RST38hDoc: This will happen:
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DocScrutinizer>> Flooding of the corium mass with water, or falling of molten corium mass into a water pool, may result in a temperature spike and production of large amounts of hydrogen which can result in a pressure spike in the containment vessel. The steam explosion resulting from such sudden corium-water contact can disperse the materials, forming projectiles that may damage the containment by impact.15:21
keriohm, isn't that one of the most dangerous materials ever or what?15:22
RST38hWonderful, amazing substance15:22
RST38hkerio: not really15:22
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auenfx4woo, battery has been on 0.4% for about 6hrs now15:25
DocScrutinizerauenfx4: no, bme lies are at "battery: 0.4%" now for 6h ;-P15:28
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JaffaReminder: Maemo Community Council meeting in 30 minutes in #maemo-meeting15:30
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auenfx4DocScrutinizer, probably, it went from 75% to 0.4% rather quickly :P15:48
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GAN900Anyone recommend a news source that isn't a steaming pile of anti-nuclear sensationalism?15:52
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nid0GAN900: theregister?16:14
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GAN900No, neither of those are good answers. :)16:16
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mikhasGAN900, I have the feeling that the newspapers are a bit sad that it is only one nuclear power plant right now, and even there it is only one block16:57
mikhasthey'd be much happier if they could already write about babies and old women dying from radioactive fallout16:58
RST38hThere are 4 blocks + 2 in reserve in the casr the first 4 do notdeliver.16:58
mikhasradioactivity feels so much more dangerous than a tsunami! even though the latter already killed people, whereas the former might kill people16:59
mikhasI am too cynical for this world.16:59
RST38hyes, you are, die now.17:00
* RST38h laughs diabolically17:00
mikhasfrom radioactivity?17:00
mikhasI'll try!17:00
* mikhas opens windows to increase exposure17:00
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mikhasthanks for the link though, RST38h17:02
mikhasthose PDF's are great17:02
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GAN900mikhas, yes.17:04
GAN900And all of the news networks are trotting out slobbering anti-nuclear activists as "nuclear experts".17:05
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RST38hGAN900: You definitely want TheRegister coverage then17:06
jacekowskiwhat was dead toll for that tsunami so far17:06
jacekowskiis it 3k or 30k?17:06
RST38hGAN900: Very logical, very unhuman, just like we like it =)17:06
GAN900RST38h, TheReighter, really?17:07
RST38hYea, who else? TheOnion? =)17:07
* GAN900 notes they changed the Grand Prix course layout . . . again.17:07
mikhasI am trembling in fear! radioactivity at the gates of the nuclear power plant might soon reach the amount of radiation from a CT scan!17:07
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jacktheripperdoes the N900 have a builtin firewall ? I can only access the SSH server even though I'm listening on port 1433 with a custom python script (on root)17:10
jacktheripperbut what could be stopping me ? :S I'm not running a firewall on my client machine17:11
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jacekowskijacktheripper: nope17:15
MohammadAGjacekowski, any ideas if 0.05 frequencies can be enabled in fmtxd?17:15
jacekowskijacktheripper: nothing on n90017:15
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: i don't think driver can do it17:15
jacekowskiMohammadAG: but if it can it can be enabled17:15
MohammadAGjacekowski, it's not a limitation in HW though right?17:16
jacekowskii think it may be17:16
jacktherippersolved, mistake in the script :)17:17
MohammadAGthough Nokia's S60 FMTX HW supports it17:17
MohammadAGS60 devices*17:18
jacekowskiMohammadAG: if you want you can check it17:18
jacekowskiMohammadAG: <------><------>.channel_spacing<------>= 10,17:18
jacekowskithat line17:18
jacekowskimodify it to 117:18
jacekowskiand recompile17:18
MohammadAGwhat about fmtxd?17:18
jacekowskifmtxd should read it17:18
MohammadAGjacekowski, fmtxd reads its own values17:19
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MohammadAGI mean, in the mediaplayer, I was reading from sysfs, but fmtxd refused to switch on those frequencies17:19
MohammadAGChannel spacing is 100 in sysfs, .2 in MHz on my device17:20
jacekowskiit shouldn't17:21
MohammadAGyep, sysfs reports 100, fmtx_client says 20017:22
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MohammadAGjacekowski, also, sysfs reports 87 as the lowest MHz, fmtxd reports 88.117:23
MohammadAGhey timsamoff_maemo17:25
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ZogGmorning =)17:31
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merlin1991morning :P17:33
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: NB FM chan spacing is different in US and EU17:34
RST38hDoc: AFAIK it is the same 100kHz17:34
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, I know, it's 2 in the US (as on my device)17:34
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RST38hOnly 20-30 are used for a channel anyway...17:35
RST38hHow interesting17:35
DocScrutinizer51lower freq is 87.517:35
MohammadAGwith fmtx faker the whole range is unlocked obviously17:35
DocScrutinizer51neither 87 nor 88.117:36
DocScrutinizer51I mean *official*17:36
DocScrutinizer51in EU17:37
DocScrutinizer51us is some 7017:37
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MohammadAG88.1 on US devices17:39
kerioi still can't select 108.0 on the default UI17:41
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MohammadAGno, US is 88.117:45
MohammadAGI don't have to say that again :P17:46
MohammadAGkerio, fmtx_client can't set 108.017:47
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keriooh, why is that? :|17:49
kerioyou can force any frequency you want with v4l2ctl17:50
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ZogGbad things may happen17:53
kerioTIL you need 7gb of free space to build openoffice17:55
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, that's too bad.17:59
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halinWhich is the latest version of qt for maemo ?18:10
MohammadAG4.8 is libqt4-experimental afaik18:11
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RST38hahhahaha, ssh from the e7 phone works!18:41
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: :nod: I've been wrong >>The FM band in Japan is 76-90 MHz
ShadowJKthat sounds rather amazing, just that they managed to not break compatibility for existing apps18:45
ShadowJKand does hw keyboard work too? That used to be broken all the time by new models iirc :)18:45
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MohammadAGShadowJK, S60 has good compatibility18:51
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: though >>In March 2008, the FCC requested public comment on turning the bandwidth currently occupied by analog television channels 5 and 6 (76–88 MHz) over to extending the FM broadcast band when the digital television transition was to be completed in February 2009 (ultimately delayed to June 2009).[9] This proposed allocation would effectively assign frequencies corresponding to the existing Japanese FM radio service (which18:52
DocScrutinizerbegins at 76 MHz) for use as an extension to the existing North American FM broadcast band.18:52
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RST38hDoc: Too bad the chat misses modulation type19:05
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RST38hDoc: Airband/Marine is actually AM, not FM, if I remember correctly19:06
DocScrutinizeryes, that's correct19:06
RST38hAlso of some interest is a reference to an obsolete 819-line (!) TV19:06
DocScrutinizerexcept of an occasional SSB19:07
RST38hWell, it is actually 2x410, but still19:07
RST38hof course19:07
DocScrutinizeror progressive?19:07
RST38hno, interlaced19:07
RST38hforget progressive:)19:07
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RST38h525-line sounds like NTSC, 625-line is PAL/SECAM19:08
* DocScrutinizer waits for crashanddie_ complaining about geeks sounding like "the big bang theory"19:08
RST38h405 and 819 I had no idea about19:09
DocScrutinizerme neither19:09
DocScrutinizerwell, 405 might be Hitler speaking at olympic games  :-P19:10
RST38h405 is British, 819 is French/Belgian19:10
RST38h  <== some serious geek fun there19:11
RST38hboth were monochrome19:13
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pupnik_   today's UI progress19:27
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troulouliouhi i resize my device Mydocs/opt and now i always get full storage issue pop up ..... ; is it due to the resize or the fact that now my rootfs is full ?20:18
lcukwe cannot know from here, but df should tell you20:19
troulouliouroot is nor full but i have 0% free20:20
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lcuktroulouliou, rootfs is a compressed filesystem20:21
lcukif you have no free space, you have no free space :)20:21
lcukand hence the answer to your question20:22
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troulouliouok that the issue ; another one ; i always get seg fault when using subversion svn command20:22
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trouloulioui debugded with gdb on the phone and the issue is locate in libapr from apache20:23
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troulouliouarm equivalent to mov 0, value20:23
troulouliouanywhere to report this ?20:23
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lcukdid packages just suddenly lose maintainer addresses?  do they have bugtrackers?  did you search the net for upstream?20:24
troulouliouok the same way as ever :) just got a n900 some month ago and i m setting it up slowly upon free time20:25
troulouliouno main phone20:25
troulouliouand not a lot of time testing ...20:25
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trouloulioulcuck: thanks for time20:28
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timeless_w7ipso, if anyone here happens to have w7 and is in europe, now would be a good time to click the clock in the system notification area21:03
DocScrutinizer"WARNING, summertime!" ?21:03
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timeless_w7ipcorsac: yeah, i made one21:24
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Corsactimeless_w7ip: can you share?21:29
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Gizmokid2005anyone know of an application that can be used to upload/sync your contacts with your google voice/contacts?21:31
Gizmokid2005from the N900 of course21:31
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DocScrutinizerno, we injected a virus into google's virus, and that earned us a sentence to not speak about it21:41
timeless_w7ipcorsac: once i find my collection of w7 stuff21:41
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Gizmokid2005Lol DocScrutinizer :P21:44
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Gizmokid2005I mean, if I must go through the steps of using a Win/OSX/Linux box between, fine... I'm checking here now:
timeless_w7ipThe OCSP server experienced an internal error.21:44
timeless_w7ip(Error code: sec_error_ocsp_server_error)21:45
timeless_w7ipwrong window21:45
lcuktimeless_w7ip, ->
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Gizmokid2005nice lcuk, trying to skip some days huh?21:47
lcukGizmokid2005, umm yeah perhaps21:47
lcukunintended whoopsie21:47
Gizmokid2005how'd you manage that?21:48
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MohammadAGtimeless_w7ip, that's how it's been since Vista22:00
MohammadAGthe DST notice22:00
Gizmokid2005osso-addressbook-backup -e contacts.vcard22:01
Gizmokid2005^^ amazing command :)22:01
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ShadowJKewhat does SJC mean22:06
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timeless_w7ipmohammadag: some of us didn't use Vista22:16
timeless_w7ipshadowjk: google it?22:16
MohammadAGtimeless_w7ip, lucky you then :P22:16
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ZogGMohammadAG why not 7?22:18
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MohammadAGcause 7 wasn't there when vista came out22:18
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DocScrutinizer-8haha, opera segfault on opera:settings 'ignore plugins filename' browse-button22:36
DocScrutinizer-8also a pity not even youtube does play22:37
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ShadowJKflash isn't supposed to work in opera :)22:38
ShadowJKI have seen random snippets of mail log on the interwebs, and I get the feeling they did some special stuff in flash-plugin and microb in order to not make performance suck (more)22:39
ShadowJKso it probably doesn't quite behave like standard npapi plugins..22:40
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DocScrutinizer-8you mean not even the existing flash plugin is a 'true' plugin that can get used by any other app?22:42
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Pillumhow do i tag threads on tmo?23:10
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jacekowskii think you tag posts not threads23:11
jacekowskibut i never got into that tagging thing23:11
khorben_*tag* you're it!23:11
Pillumyou tag threads23:12
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Pillumim bored+23:25
Pillumany ideas?23:25
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lcukPillum, get the tablet UX from #meego and see what works etc23:28
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