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| ryoohki | what's the latest in the n800,n810,n900, ... series phone? | 00:05 |
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| vista_flasher | working alot better flashing the phone after flashing the eMMC | 00:06 |
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| merlin1991 | ryoohki: only the n900 is a phone | 00:07 |
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| vista_flasher | Eyy its working like a charm! Thanks for all the help! :) | 00:09 |
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| vista_flasher | uhm guys... when I started my phone now and entered SIM card, it freezes and I just se the button in top left corner and a lot of red dots on the screen. What's that about? :/ | 00:13 |
| andre__ | what button? | 00:14 |
| vista_flasher | the menu button :) | 00:14 |
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| vista_flasher | oh wait, just restarted the phone, now it seems to be working | 00:15 |
| andre__ | ah, so you are already on the desktop (was wondering whether it's still in the "five-dots" state | 00:15 |
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| vista_flasher | why do I get the impression of that my N900 now is faster than before? | 00:18 |
| vista_flasher | faster application manager is short: fapman right? | 00:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:22 |
| pupnik | yes | 00:23 |
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| vista_flasher | Which N900 theme is the best one? (Yeah im starting this war!) | 00:30 |
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| merlin1991 | nseries | 00:31 |
| merlin1991 | doen | 00:31 |
| merlin1991 | s/doen/done/ | 00:31 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 00:31 |
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| infobot | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer) | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 'lo lcukn900 | 01:32 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, \o | 01:46 |
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| Guest40473 | am.. i using sshfs wrong? | 03:24 |
| Guest40473 | id user -> uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) | 03:24 |
| Guest40473 | sshfs -ouid=29999,gid=29999,rw,nonempty bjv@192.168.0.23:/media/a6fab708-3cd2-45da-9132-2f647c38a645/home/bjv/Desktop/maemo_backup flash_backup | 03:26 |
| Guest40473 | no errors | 03:26 |
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| Guest40473 | mount | tail -n1 -> sshfs#bjv@192.168.0.23:/media/a6fab708-3cd2-45da-9132-2f647c38a645/home/bjv/Desktop/maemo_backup on /home/user/external/downloads/flash_backup type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=29999,group_id=29999,max_read=65536) | 03:27 |
| Guest40473 | but ls -l -> ls: ./flash_backup: Permission denied | 03:27 |
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| pupnik | odd | 03:31 |
| Guest40473 | tab completion does not work on the mountpoint, while it's mounted | 03:31 |
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| Sazpaimon | hey guys, anyone see this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightspark/0.4.6-0ubuntu1/+buildjob/2322035 | 04:02 |
| Sazpaimon | lightspark (opensource Actionscript 3.0 parser) ported to ARM | 04:03 |
| pupnik | no idea what that's for | 04:03 |
| Sazpaimon | AS 3.0 is part of flash 10 | 04:03 |
| pupnik | oh | 04:03 |
| Sazpaimon | anyone wanna try these debs (assuming the prereqs jive with Maemo 5) | 04:04 |
| Sazpaimon | my N900 is still a few days away from being delivered, otherwise I'd try it | 04:04 |
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| pupnik | not a friend of flash here | 04:07 |
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| Sazpaimon | the only issue I think is I don't think the ARM build of lightspark has any hardware acceleration | 04:09 |
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| pauly | hi | 05:59 |
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| MohammadAG | morning | 08:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mohammoaning | 08:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tekojo: hi | 08:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow, TEPCO learns to talk: http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1300758392P.pdf | 09:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, actually JAIF | 09:26 |
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| Termana | good morning | 09:29 |
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| mece | hello | 09:39 |
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| mece | DocScrutinizer, \o | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 09:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OT: could anybody explain to me what's the meaning of "seawater injection to core: continuing" in http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1300758392P.pdf rsp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Fukushima_nuclear_accidents | 09:42 |
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| mece | DocScrutinizer, didn't rtfa, but it means that they are pushing seawater int to cool it, and not using the water meant for the job. It's a last effort kind of thing that ruins the powerplant | 09:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mece: that's what it suggests to us. But honestly, continuing injection of seawater and still way too low water level? And for all I know you can't "inject" arbitrary amounts of substance nto a closed containment, so what's *really* happening there? | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | is that like "inject 500L, wait 2 days and watch occasional steam escaping, repeat" ? | 09:50 |
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| mece | possibly | 09:51 |
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| villager | it has emergency cooling systems (and sensors) so I'm guessing it's not really completely sealed in that sense | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | AIUI either they continuously "inject" cooling (sea) water and it comes out somewhere else, or this statement is BS | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I tend to favour #2 | 09:52 |
| robbiethe1st | I think it's coming out as steam <_< | 09:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then they evidently inject too little water | 09:53 |
| mece | maybe they mean cooling the reactor from the outside with seawater. Not actually injecting into the core | 09:53 |
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| mece | why doesn't ffmpeg have hwacceleration on maemo? | 09:55 |
| mece | we have va/glx drivers don't we? | 09:55 |
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| Robot101 | because it's not used by the platform - the hardware acceleration is done with gstreamer | 09:55 |
| mece | ok | 09:55 |
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| mece | but could it be used? | 09:55 |
| Robot101 | and I don't think there are any va drivers either | 09:56 |
| mece | oh :/ | 09:56 |
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| Robot101 | so it's just using the OMAP DSP to run the codecs, and the decoded frames are sent either to a hardware overlay or to a video texture with Xv | 09:58 |
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| Robot101 | gstreamer takes care of the depayloading, audio decoding, etc and syncronizes the playback between the video and the audio etc | 09:58 |
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| mece | Robot101, ok, thanks. | 10:05 |
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| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/22/app_of_the_week_android_thrutu/ <-- interesting app | 10:11 |
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| RST38h | good moorning maemo | 10:42 |
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| mece | hey | 11:11 |
| mece | regarding ffmpeg vs gst | 11:11 |
| mece | is playback via gst automagically hwaccelerated? | 11:12 |
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| timeless_w7ip | gstreamer is an API, not an impl | 11:38 |
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| timeless_w7ip | mece: you probably want to ask about gstreamer-plugins-good or something | 11:39 |
| MohammadAG | mece, yes | 11:48 |
| MohammadAG | though read what timeless_w7ip said | 11:48 |
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| mece | ok thanks. | 12:02 |
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| dneary | timeless_w7ip, isn't it both? | 12:05 |
| dneary | timeless_w7ip, gstreamer implements *something* | 12:05 |
| dneary | (the basic DAG handling, and a number of standard filters) | 12:05 |
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| dneary | It delegates codec handling to plug-ins | 12:06 |
| dneary | (and in fact gstreamer itself is a bunch of plug-ins + the framework to load them & move data through a graph) | 12:06 |
| dneary | As I understand it, at least (and I might be wrong) | 12:06 |
| crashanddie | hey dneary | 12:07 |
| dneary | Hi anddie | 12:07 |
| crashanddie | been hitting the headlines quite a few times recently | 12:07 |
| dneary | crash: Whatever do you mean? | 12:07 |
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| crashanddie | /. | 12:07 |
| crashanddie | You've been mentioned what, 3 or 4 times in a week? | 12:07 |
| crashanddie | (not this week) | 12:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | dneary: well sure, gstreamer implements a framework | 12:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | dneary: but for the purposes of the question, gstreamer was the wrong layer | 12:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | and that's all i intended to correct | 12:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | gstreamer is something like MCI | 12:08 |
| dneary | timeless_w7ip, I missed the question :) | 12:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | dneary: the channel has logs ;-) | 12:08 |
| dneary | I just saw your answer | 12:09 |
| mece | dneary, timeless_w7ip, well how does it relate? I have a choice between ffmpeg or gst, and ffmpeg on N900 does not support va-api | 12:09 |
| dneary | Ah: "regarding ffmpeg vs gst: is playback via gst automagically hwaccelerated?" | 12:09 |
| timeless_w7ip | mece: ffmpeg is more or less an api + an impl | 12:09 |
| timeless_w7ip | gst is the api, the impl could be one of a number of things | 12:09 |
| mece | timeless_w7ip, yes. That's why it's a bit comfusing | 12:09 |
| dneary | mece, GStreamer provides, among other things, an ffmpeg plug-in | 12:09 |
| timeless_w7ip | it could be some standard open source impl which probably isn't hardware accelerated | 12:10 |
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| dneary | So you can use both gstreamer & ffmpeg, if you so desire | 12:10 |
| mece | dneary, I noticed. | 12:10 |
| timeless_w7ip | or it could be a licensed thing which is hardware accelerated | 12:10 |
| mece | dneary, but gnash has the two options mentioned. gst or ffmpeg | 12:10 |
| timeless_w7ip | i'm pretty sure that the mpeg impl that gst generally gives you on the n900 uses the DSP or something similar | 12:10 |
| timeless_w7ip | but it's really outside my area | 12:11 |
| dneary | mece, As timeless said, ffmpeg is itself an API to code against, independent of codecs & their implementations | 12:11 |
| dneary | mece, To summarise: both ffmpeg and gstreamer are abstractions | 12:11 |
| dneary | gstreamer can use the ffmpeg abstraction as one of its back-ends | 12:11 |
| dneary | gstreamer supports both hardware-accelerated & pure software back-ends | 12:12 |
| dneary | ffmpeg provides (I think) only pure-software codec implementations | 12:12 |
| dneary | So gstreamer has the potential to support HW acceleration, whereas ffmpeg does not | 12:12 |
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| dneary | timeless_w7ip, Is that correct? | 12:13 |
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| mece | dneary, among other things. It [ffmpeg] can utilize va/glx to provide hw accelration via vaapi, but not the version that is in maemo5 repos. | 12:13 |
| timeless_w7ip | dneary: sadly it isn't that simple :( | 12:13 |
| dneary | mece, So, yes, ffmpeg could use any back-end API it wants for rendering | 12:13 |
| dneary | Incl. X11, gl/glx, and even ascii art | 12:14 |
| timeless_w7ip | but generally when people talk about ffmpeg i think there are thankfully countably few impls that people mean | 12:14 |
| timeless_w7ip | whereas for gst, it's much worse :) | 12:14 |
| dneary | mece, And if it uses a GL back-end and you're running on hardware that can do GL natively, then in some sense you get "hardware acceleration" | 12:14 |
| mece | either way I'm compiling gnash with everything I could get working, so I can test different settings with command line options | 12:15 |
| dneary | For the rendering | 12:15 |
| dneary | But not for the codec phase | 12:15 |
| dneary | mece, That sounds sane :) | 12:15 |
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| mece | dneary, problem is I configured for all possiblt hw accel options, but none actually got enabled :/ | 12:17 |
| mece | options being vaapi, xv and omap | 12:17 |
| mece | also, there doesn't appear to be gtkglext for maemo5 so I can't get gtk ui + opengl rendering, which is annoying. | 12:18 |
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| mece | I believe this lib is going to be gigantic | 12:20 |
| mece | 93Mb O.o | 12:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | mece: w/ or w/o debug info? | 12:23 |
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| mece | timeless_w7ip, hmm.. I dunno. lemme check. | 12:27 |
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| mece | timeless_w7ip, w/ | 12:42 |
| mece | I think | 12:43 |
| mece | oo there's a gles renderer! | 12:44 |
| mece | that should help | 12:44 |
| lardman | morning | 12:44 |
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| mece | the main lib so file is 62Mb | 12:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | (05:45:35 PM) ***infobot bends lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t's pasty white buttocks. | 12:46 |
| lardman | thanks SpeedEvil | 12:46 |
| mece | wtf? | 12:47 |
| lardman | seems fair too, whoever cursed me | 12:47 |
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| lardman | mece: lol | 12:47 |
| mece | haaahahahhaa | 12:47 |
| mece | :D | 12:47 |
| mece | good stuff | 12:47 |
| mece | Gaaaaah! stupid frackin scp! | 12:56 |
| FauxFaux | sshtar time. | 12:56 |
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| mece | FauxFaux, going for rsync. | 12:57 |
| mece | scp make symlinks copies of file. so now I have 2 of those 62Mb files. | 12:57 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Hmm | 12:59 |
| FIQ|n900 | Indeed, some form of highlight history would be nice | 12:59 |
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| massoud | Hi guys, I am looking on how to get IPv6 support on my N900 | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: rsync | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 13:01 |
| mece | ;) | 13:01 |
| psycho_oreos | massoud, compile a custom kernel that has ipv6 support? | 13:01 |
| mece | actually I targz'd it and then scp'd. was faster. saved 80Mb :D | 13:01 |
| mece | are there issues with ipv6 support or could that be included in cssu I wonder? | 13:02 |
| SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/225/ Still funny. ;) | 13:05 |
| massoud | psycho_oreos : there is now kernel mod available w/ IPv6 support ready for n900, i wonder there should be lots of n900 users that want ipv6 support ? | 13:06 |
| psycho_oreos | massoud, maybe, when IANA phases out IPv4 | 13:06 |
| xkr47 | ipv6 will probably run out of addresses before that happens | 13:08 |
| xkr47 | around 2020 ;) | 13:08 |
| psycho_oreos | more like 2012, the end of the world. There will be hardly anyone left that will still be fiddling with technology when there are epic crisis everywhere | 13:09 |
| massoud | so none of you guys run ipv6 on n900 ? :) | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | I run IPv7 | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | planning to upgrade to IPv11 next month | 13:10 |
| psycho_oreos | the experimental IPv8? that's interesting | 13:11 |
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| psycho_oreos | whoa, my nose will so bleed -_-' technology evolving way faster than what humans are able to do with their noodle filled brain | 13:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | its like travelling at warp speed | 13:13 |
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| timeless_w7ip | massoud: there was a nokia-palo-alto released ipv6 for maemo tech demo iirc | 13:17 |
| timeless_w7ip | but note that ipv6 on mobile phones is more or less a disaster | 13:17 |
| khorben_ | indeed | 13:17 |
| timeless_w7ip | because the cellular network design is broken | 13:17 |
| timeless_w7ip | and you basically need the networks to deploy a new thing | 13:17 |
| timeless_w7ip | and they're terrible at fast roll out | 13:18 |
| khorben_ | http://i2catblogctx.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/ready-to-go-ipv6-think-again/ | 13:18 |
| massoud | timeless_w7ip : thanks a lot, do you have a DL link for the kernel image, I would like to run mesh-network wifi protocol | 13:21 |
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| massoud | I want to run babeld on my n900 to run sip tests over the mesh network | 13:23 |
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| mece | hmpf since there is ff4 for maemo, you'd think you would be able to find xulrunner-dev for maemo somewhere. | 13:30 |
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| sq-one | is it possible to forward X on the n900? I alreadey installed the ssh_d and in /etc/ssh/sshd_config X11 forwarding is enabled | 13:33 |
| mece | sq-one, yes. should work | 13:35 |
| mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41168 | 13:35 |
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| mece | s/http:\/\/talk.maemo.org\/showthread.php?t=41168/sq-one, here are some comments about it: http:\/\/talk.maemo.org\/showthread.php?t=41168/ | 13:36 |
| mece | hmpf. | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: mind to elaborate what's the GSM borne network problems with IPv6? | 13:44 |
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| timeless_w7ip | http://rfc-ref.org/RFC-TEXTS/4215/chapter1.html | 13:48 |
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| timeless_w7ip | perhaps? | 13:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | please keep in mind that this isn't my area | 13:48 |
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| timeless_w7ip | but basically it seems that when you connect to the network you make a connection which gives you an ipv4 | 13:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | and you aren't really in a position to also ask for an ipv6 | 13:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | worse, it seems that the deployed hardware isn't in any position to give you an ipv6 | 13:49 |
| pahartik | massoud: I chose "Nokia N900" year ago as I wanted to have IPv6 subnet for Bluetooth PAN over mobile network uplink always in my pocket | 13:49 |
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| timeless_w7ip | doc: basically of all the groups not remotely well positioned to deploy ipv6, the cellular industry is #1 | 13:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | there's also iiuc concern that trying to deploy ipv6 in certain other manners would break "legacy" devices :) | 13:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | and since a legacy device is basically any phone from before say 2011 or 2012 or 2013 | 13:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | that's a lot of phones :) | 13:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | this doesn't even cover fun stuff like ipv6 for mms message centers | 13:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | or the fact that your cell provider might not have working ipv6 routing to a destination | 13:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | (that's the normal ipv6 hassle) | 13:52 |
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| timeless_w7ip | docscrutinizer: is that sufficient? | 13:53 |
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| timeless_w7ip | eep, missing lunch | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh | 13:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | sp3000: lunch plans? | 13:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | doc: basically exec summary: the cellular industry did a really bad job designing their protocol | 13:54 |
| timeless_w7ip | and a bad job in arranging their hardware | 13:54 |
| timeless_w7ip | and were incredibly lazy about planning for the future | 13:54 |
| timeless_w7ip | which makes them just like every other giant who doesn't plan for tomorrow or the next day | 13:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ouch, now I realize there's some layers of IP stack implemented in modem FW :-S | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | it occurs to me the data transfer via GPRS isn't like any usual NIC you tell about raw data and MAC of destination | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, that pretty much kills IPv6 | 14:01 |
| timeless_w7ip | yeah | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | It could've been so simple, change APN to APN-v6 | 14:02 |
| timeless_w7ip | basically cell phones won't get a chance at ipv6 until 2013 or so | 14:02 |
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| timeless_w7ip | long after we've run out of addresses | 14:02 |
| timeless_w7ip | all because of what are essentially layering violations on the part of the cell industry | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 14:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so what's our chances to see a IPv6 enabled cmt FW for N900? :-P | 14:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | hardly matters | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: AIUI that nokia-palo-alto IPv6 implementation been a tunneling IPv6-over-v4, no? | 14:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | the odds of you having a non lame cellular provider aren't great | 14:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | doc: yeah it was tunneling | 14:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | but tunneling has advntages: .us PoP! | 14:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | hulu! | 14:07 |
| tybollt | timeless_w7ip: word | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 14:07 |
| tybollt | hulu++ | 14:07 |
| tybollt | man I felt like such a haxx0r first time I did that ;) | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) | 14:08 |
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| tybollt | used an anonymizer to get into hulu (which otherwise restricts me from accessing it due to my being outside of the US) | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (???)0°` :-) | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf hulu | 14:09 |
| tybollt | hulu is uh... | 14:10 |
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| tybollt | all the OMGPONIES!11 fun american sitcoms and drama shows streamed via flash on the web | 14:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prolly I don't want to know as I never missed it yet | 14:10 |
| tybollt | if you watch House MD or 2½ men or similar shit you'll likely find hulu usefull | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, that even explained WHY I never missed it | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I prefer House in a synced version, downloaded and easy playback, easy watching. I'm not a native English speaker and movies are incredibly uphill to watch for me | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | even news at CNN are hard | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I prefer written English | 14:15 |
| timeless_w7ip | doc: ah | 14:15 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you should try sherlock holmes in english then, watch it as many times as you need to understand everything, then you might be ready for any london mouth | 14:15 |
| timeless_w7ip | note that generally you can buffer and play things back | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | no leisure activity | 14:16 |
| chem|st | a london friend of mine made me become london mouth resistant... | 14:17 |
| chem|st | took about 2 years though | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd probably consider it more fun when somebody reads a sourcecode and I try to understand what the program does by listening to that | 14:17 |
| chem|st | try espeak... | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, conversation face to face usually is easy, but listening to others talking their thing is hard | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I prefer british to american English. Even Scottish is kinda nice, after an hour. But only when sitting with a guy and having a beer | 14:20 |
| chem|st | true | 14:20 |
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| * DocScrutinizer watched 4 episodes of House playback by N900 hooked up to TV recently. Only way to get downloaded files to a decent screen here | 14:22 | |
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| lardman | is there a working Google Calendar sync method atm? | 14:27 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: British? It's English English thank you very much ;) | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 14:29 |
| chem|st | english is refered to as american british or aussie... accent is another thing | 14:30 |
| chem|st | lardman: I thought exchange stuff wrapps around google?! | 14:30 |
| lardman | chem|st: Well I speak English as I am English, so no need for an affix ;) | 14:31 |
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| lardman | Exchange stuff doesn't work afair | 14:31 |
| lardman | comes up with connection errors, etc | 14:32 |
| lardman | s/affix/prefix | 14:32 |
| chem|st | lardman: you speak british english with an english accent which is different to talking american english with an english accent... | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: what's the non-french tongue in canada called? and what does it sound like to a native speaker? | 14:33 |
| lardman | chem|st: I speak English, those in the US speak American English, etc | 14:34 |
| chem|st | that is funny in some movies where they meme an english accent but talk american | 14:34 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer51: Canadian English, sounds Canadian :) | 14:34 |
| chem|st | lardman: that sounds mor like religion... as scotts talk scot'ish?! | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sets wut I saut | 14:35 |
| lardman | chem|st: nah, just my pet peeve | 14:35 |
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| E0x | chem|st: totally indeed.. | 14:36 |
| chem|st | by definition the only german speaking part of the world is in northern germany | 14:36 |
| chem|st | all other parts are called dialekt but most of them are an own language by definition | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hihihi | 14:37 |
| lardman | and it's called German there, not German German? ;) | 14:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | lardman: do you know people who speak Austrian? | 14:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | not to be confused with Austorian | 14:38 |
| lardman | Austrian German, yes | 14:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | and certainly not to be confused with Australian | 14:38 |
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| lardman | :) | 14:38 |
| tybollt | true that, Bavarian is impossible to understand | 14:38 |
| chem|st | swiss german | 14:38 |
| tybollt | chem|st: bavarian | 14:38 |
| lardman | swiss german is nasty stuff | 14:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | how about Swiss Italian? | 14:38 |
| lardman | I don't speak Italian | 14:38 |
| chem|st | even worse | 14:38 |
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| lardman | my point is simply that in Germany they speak German, in Switzerland it's called Swiss German; in France they speak French, in Canada it's Canadian French; in England we speak English. British (English) is unneeded as a qualifier | 14:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | Does having a Swiss Franc entitle you to speak Swiss French? | 14:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | In Belgium they speak Belgian French? | 14:41 |
| macmaN | guys | 14:41 |
| timeless_w7ip | or Belgian Dutch? | 14:41 |
| chem|st | I speak fluent swabian, carintian (austrian dialekt) and understand most dialekts/languages german based in the south | 14:41 |
| macmaN | is there something that records battery life % into some data file with cpu usage % | 14:41 |
| timeless_w7ip | macman: we're busy having a pointless discussiom, if you want to be productive, might i suggest you ask again in 10mins? :) | 14:41 |
| lardman | timeless_w7ip: Belgian Dutch = Flemish afaiu | 14:42 |
| macmaN | or rather, any recommendations from the available battery-related packages | 14:42 |
| lcuk | macmaN, "BatteryGraph" | 14:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | lardman: but you said it should be called Belgian Dutch! | 14:42 |
| chem|st | realy hard you get with allemanian (southwest dialect close to the swiss boarder but still germany, close to swiss german but with swabian and badian influence) | 14:42 |
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| lardman | timeless_w7ip: no, I said that the British bit is unneeded on the front of English as a description of what is spoken in England | 14:42 |
| chem|st | macmaN: batterygraph? | 14:43 |
| macmaN | lcuk: aha ok that looks about right | 14:43 |
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| chem|st | lardman: if read like this yes | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | macmaN: bq27200.sh >my.log | 14:44 |
| macmaN | i am trying to figure out whether i should still use wifi switcher or does the power kernel do something etter | 14:44 |
| macmaN | better | 14:44 |
| macmaN | compared to stock kernel | 14:44 |
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| chem|st | but without telling that you are from "england" useless statement as the americans believe that they all talk perfect clean english | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, both work ok, even without friggin switchers | 14:45 |
| lardman | and that is the crux of the problem ;) | 14:45 |
| lardman | anyway /me gives up annoying timeless_w7ip :) | 14:45 |
| lardman | sorry timeless_w7ip | 14:45 |
| chem|st | macmaN: if your wifi is set to powersaving and stuff not your wifi is draining the battery but your accounts logged in | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | macmaN: seems all those other battery* apps are quite greedy and hog CPU and thus not only log but also deplete battery | 14:47 |
| macmaN | DocScrutinizer: including batterygraph or this one is OK | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | also all of them rely on hal, and hal is spreading bme's lies | 14:47 |
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| macmaN | mhmmm | 14:47 |
| macmaN | okay | 14:47 |
| macmaN | umm bq27200.sh refers to what | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | checkout bq27200 | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | to bq27200 :-) | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka battery gauge chip | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | directly | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and immediately | 14:49 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: Why do you think bme is reporting bad data? | 14:49 |
| chem|st | neal: because it does | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, dunno, maybe because bme is crap? | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least that's basically in line with what I got told by nokia affiliates that actually looked into it | 14:50 |
| neal | have you measured it? | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | measured what? bme's lies? | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not know where to attach the polygraph | 14:50 |
| neal | do you mean the percent that it reports? or the report volt/ampere? | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what's the ssh command you use again? | 14:51 |
| neal | s/report/reported/ | 14:51 |
| infobot | neal meant: do you mean the percent that it reporteds? or the report volt/ampere? | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: mompls | 14:51 |
| neal | infobot: no I didn't | 14:51 |
| chem|st | neal: I did after my device stuck at 0% for hours with the same ampere-h left | 14:51 |
| lardman | hmm, Erminig doesn't seem to work | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root t900 | 14:51 |
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| neal | chem|st: interesting, I haven't observed that. | 14:52 |
| chem|st | lardman: ++ | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 14:53 |
| neal | chem|st: is it reproducible? | 14:53 |
| macmaN | DocScrutinizer: ok found bq27200.sh | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | check CI=0 | 14:53 |
| chem|st | neal: with pr1.2 it shuts down at that point and I guess there are hours left as I can at least boot it up 3 times | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | CI=1 means battery capacity calculations are incorrect | 14:53 |
| neal | chem|st: ah. I usually plug in after that. | 14:54 |
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| neal | DocScrutinizer: where do I read CI? | 14:54 |
| chem|st | neal: I had that 0% for hours several times yes | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | in bq27200.sh output (not in loop mode though) | 14:54 |
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| macmaN | CI=1 | 14:55 |
| macmaN | :/ | 14:55 |
| macmaN | why? WHYYY? | 14:55 |
| * macmaN runs away crying | 14:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so you have to complete a learning cycle | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | means fully charge then completely discharge the cell | 14:55 |
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| neal | DocScrutinizer: thanks. | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neal: the most detail you get with bq27200.sh 5 | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no use in shorter period times | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | as the chip's cycle time is 5.12s | 14:57 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: where is that script? | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you go for longer periods, you get a spotlight on last 5.12 s | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ | 14:58 |
| neal | thanks | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I suggest you use bq.tar | 14:58 |
| sivang | so, maemo is probably the best OS nokia has every produced | 14:58 |
| macmaN | i would have to agree | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yo | 14:59 |
| macmaN | and most of it wasnt even done by them :> | 14:59 |
| sivang | anybody knows how to get out of S^4/N8 WHITE SCREEN OF DEATH other than waiting for the battery to crap? | 14:59 |
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| FauxFaux | Remove the battery! | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | use sledge hammer | 14:59 |
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| sivang | FauxFaux: can you get me that watch maker screwdriver? | 14:59 |
| sivang | this is really unbeliveble. | 15:00 |
| sivang | but mind you = | 15:00 |
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| sivang | I think I know what is the culprit | 15:00 |
| sivang | the crappy nUnlock app | 15:00 |
| sivang | I removed it and then it went crazy | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | look for very small holes that are NOT mic or speaker apertures :-D | 15:00 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I found them :) | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | some phones have a reset switch | 15:00 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: right, but then I'd have to use the Phoenix | 15:00 |
| sivang | which I don't :-p | 15:01 |
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| sivang | there is no hope for microkernel based OSs :-p | 15:01 |
| sivang | no hope! | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | also sometimes pressing power button for 15s might help | 15:01 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: thank you doc! | 15:01 |
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| sivang | again, you save the day! | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh :-D | 15:02 |
| sivang | I tried it before! | 15:02 |
| sivang | but now it worke. | 15:02 |
| sivang | worked | 15:02 |
| sivang | this non detriminism is killing me | 15:02 |
| sivang | I can't stand it. | 15:02 |
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| * sivang cries for PR2.0 | 15:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | a semi-zombie OS can intercept hard shutdown via 15s powerbutton (sometimes) | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | a completely frozen one can't | 15:03 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: right, so I had to wait for it to froze completely | 15:03 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: is that related to too quick context switching not allowing the power interrupt to pass? | 15:03 |
| sivang | e..g the interception | 15:03 |
| sivang | or too aggresive swaping? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, it's like kernel is resetting the watchdog that times the 15s | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | in hw | 15:04 |
| sivang | due to ? | 15:04 |
| sivang | too many apps ? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway it has to do this every time again you press & holdthe button | 15:04 |
| sivang | requesting the damn thing for serviuces? | 15:05 |
| sivang | this NEVER happend me with Maemo btw | 15:05 |
| sivang | never | 15:05 |
| sivang | and if an app strays, I can kil it like I do on on Ubuntu. #go linux! | 15:05 |
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| vldcnst | Is it possible to use the PC's sound input/output for N900 calls over USB networking? | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, maemo has like 3 watchdogs :-D | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | one of them will trigger usually | 15:06 |
| sivang | I love Maemo | 15:06 |
| sivang | but if symbian3 was augmented with this, I'm sure it could be great as well. and it is. | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: it should be possible. Have fun figuring how to convince PA to actually do it | 15:07 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: PA needs to rute to BT and that's it? ;) | 15:07 |
| anathaema | indeed that sounds like something pulseaudio is designed to be able to do | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | BT via USB? | 15:07 |
| vldcnst | DocScrutinizer51: use the BT stuff? | 15:07 |
| sivang | I want to say that again: Maemo, I LOVE YOU. | 15:07 |
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| vldcnst | -51 | 15:07 |
| anathaema | but good luck convincing it | 15:07 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: oh, quick to reading. | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:08 |
| sivang | or too quick | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | apparently the stock player reads metadata off tracker and sets it again in mafw | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | thus... wasting even more resources | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | then emits a metadata changed signal | 15:09 |
| sivang | also, Joikuspot seems to crap S^3 while with MAemo it goes un-noticed | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet there's a niche case where that's needed to fix fsck'd-ness of tracker | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...and tracker *based* app | 15:09 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: lol | 15:09 |
| sivang | re: tracker fsck'ness | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | nope, my mediaplayer doesn't get metadata from tracker and works fine | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | it gets it straight from mafw | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | there's no need to get metadata, set it, then get it again | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | more like UI fsckness | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: except in that weird case where some app A is writing new files to foo while B is renaming it and tracker does a global reindex while mediaplayer using tracker data to show album art... get the pictuure? | 15:11 |
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| sivang | now i wonde if people are exeporiencing audio issues with the N8? | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | there's a signal for that, no need to get, set, get | 15:12 |
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| MohammadAG | yes, it only has one speaker and that can easily be covered | 15:12 |
| * MohammadAG stabs hardware design team | 15:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | to make things worse, that problem they tried to fix this way probably vanished in PR1.0.1 | 15:12 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: maemo is like 4000% better in sound quality | 15:13 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: when using earpiece | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | someone kill the sound policy daemon, kthxbai | 15:13 |
| sivang | heh | 15:13 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: maemo/ s^3? | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | maemo | 15:14 |
| sivang | and the one speaker? | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, my ACI audio concept (to kill / avoid PA crap) finally seems to make it into SHR and thus maybe also on N900 | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | N8 | 15:14 |
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| MohammadAG | I want mixed audio sources | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn that took a few years to take pace | 15:15 |
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| sivang | so, I wonder if 'Social' is the virus like program for accessing FB from N8 | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | I don't care if my caller listens to my music | 15:15 |
| * sivang wants to remove it | 15:15 | |
| MohammadAG | and twitter | 15:15 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: yes, I have a home made replacement for both ;) | 15:15 |
| sivang | Snaptu | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | programmed in some awesome web-based language | 15:15 |
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| MohammadAG | making it crappy | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | </sarcasm> | 15:15 |
| anathaema | can you send arbitrary pulseaudio sources to callers? | 15:16 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: you mean snaptu or the OVI ware? | 15:16 |
| anathaema | actually better question, can n900 run asterix? | 15:16 |
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| sivang | oh dear, it can't be removed! | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, there's * for N900, but hnestly NOBODY needs that | 15:17 |
| sivang | S3 won't | 15:17 |
| MohammadAG | Social app | 15:17 |
| sivang | anathaema: it runs, yes | 15:17 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: you mean, social crap :) | 15:17 |
| * sivang fires snaptu | 15:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | anathaema: do you want to call trunk B from trunk A on your N900? how would it support more than one UA? | 15:18 |
| anathaema | actually i'd be more interested in the voice menuing stuff | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, oh well | 15:19 |
| sivang | anathaema: I'm afraid that is going to eat your CPUs | 15:19 |
| anathaema | "if you really really want to speak to anathaema now press "1"" | 15:19 |
| sivang | anathaema: you better make sure it is plugged for that if you're using G729 | 15:20 |
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| anathaema | that alone would eliminate 99% of junk calls | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt a B2B-UA like * is the right approach to implement voice dialing on N900 | 15:20 |
| sivang | I agree with DocScrutinizer | 15:20 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: btw, any progress on the FMtx/rx docs? | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: duh, that completely dropped off my desktop | 15:21 |
| anathaema | i don't think there is anything lightweight that does even the simple stuff i'm talking about | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 15:21 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: no prob, I not in my best the last couple of months either | 15:21 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: when you have time | 15:21 |
| anathaema | i'm intending a "prove you are a human" call screener | 15:21 |
| sivang | I am going to start with a good read of whatever you come up with anyways | 15:21 |
| sivang | this area of development really intrigues me | 15:22 |
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| anathaema | the audio version of captcha | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: probably you better exploit my feedback and rant by simply talking to me live | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | here | 15:22 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: okay, will do. | 15:22 |
| sivang | but now now :) | 15:22 |
| sivang | have to run soon. | 15:22 |
| sivang | weekend hopfully | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | anathaema: you probably want to augment a TAM app | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for that | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt * could sanely interface to GSM calls (yet?) | 15:23 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: it has the codec, but that's about it.. | 15:24 |
| sivang | AFAIK | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | codec??? | 15:24 |
| sivang | the gsm codec, | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | what friggin codec? | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | the GSM codec is in cmt afaik | 15:24 |
| sivang | so it can decode and transfer to some other one :) | 15:24 |
| sivang | cmt? | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | modem | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | BB5 | 15:24 |
| sivang | I'm talking about the codec to encode data as GSM and decode it | 15:24 |
| sivang | there are modules for that for both freeSWITCH and * | 15:25 |
| sivang | that's all :) | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | useless | 15:25 |
| * sivang talks out of his arse | 15:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | see above | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't access raw GSM call OTA data | 15:25 |
| sivang | right | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | *because* the codec is in BB5 modem, not on AP | 15:25 |
| sivang | so you have to interface with the modem | 15:25 |
| sivang | yep | 15:26 |
| sivang | got it | 15:26 |
| anathaema | tam? | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise crypted GSM calls were actually possible | 15:26 |
| anathaema | you must not mean texas association of museums | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | tel answering machine | 15:26 |
| anathaema | aha | 15:26 |
| neal | I can't seem to reliably catch dsme's shutdown_ind | 15:27 |
| neal | I shutdown from the menu | 15:27 |
| neal | (not the command line) | 15:27 |
| anathaema | i dunno | 15:27 |
| anathaema | i know i need a working charger that plugs into 12V nominal | 15:28 |
| neal | I've tried it about 10 times. I managed to catch it once. | 15:28 |
| anathaema | my n900 ran out of juice while i was riding yesterday and i got mexican christian radio | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | is that a euphemism? | 15:28 |
| ruskie | fun | 15:29 |
| anathaema | no, the display on the bike's stereo is out | 15:29 |
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| anathaema | and the first clear frequency i could find has a mexican church station next to it that bleeds in | 15:29 |
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| anathaema | but if the n900 transmits you don't hear it | 15:30 |
| tybollt | so there you were listening to a mariachi band? :) | 15:30 |
| anathaema | i don't want to hear the news about jesus much less hey zeus | 15:30 |
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| anathaema | or hey suse | 15:31 |
| tybollt | cheezus | 15:31 |
| sivang | lol | 15:31 |
| anathaema | i don't even understand spanish | 15:31 |
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| sivang | snaptu just made me paste my email onto my fb wall... | 15:31 |
| anathaema | i took french in school and that was many many years ago | 15:32 |
| sivang | God, oh dear mighty god, please release us from them BOOGS! | 15:32 |
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| anathaema | anyhow i bought a bluetooth dongle yesterday for the next time i need to use the n900 as a modem | 15:32 |
| anathaema | it worked fine when our net was down but had to stay plugged into the pc | 15:33 |
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| anathaema | oh and i sucked like 1gb of bandwidth from tmobile that day | 15:33 |
| xd13 | ya i'm still on tmobiles unlimited with 450 for 60/month | 15:34 |
| anathaema | screw them and their "5gb is unlimited" | 15:34 |
| * timeless_w7ip chuckles | 15:34 | |
| anathaema | they don't charge if you go over | 15:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | unlimited is what the market will bear without filing suit | 15:34 |
| anathaema | but they claim they can clamp your bandwidth | 15:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | you guys need to sue earlier, more often, and for better damages | 15:34 |
| xd13 | i've never actually payed attention to it but i don't think i will ever go over | 15:34 |
| anathaema | att/swbell is starting to have bandwidth quotas on DSL now | 15:35 |
| nidO | or just complain loud enough, thats what I did with o2 and they backed down | 15:35 |
| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/22/nokia_tablet_os_choice/ <-- "so Nokia has been thinking about tablets for the best part of a year - well, since the iPad was released..." <-- erm last I checked nokia had tablets on the brain since a few years ago... | 15:35 |
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| anathaema | nokia calls the n900 a tablet | 15:36 |
| xd13 | nokia won't be releasing any more updates for it right? because i disabled the nokia repositories | 15:37 |
| anathaema | other than the small screen it beats an ipad | 15:37 |
| ruskie | frankly anything beats an ipad | 15:37 |
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| anathaema | my brother in law bought one | 15:37 |
| xd13 | i would never buy an apple product | 15:37 |
| anathaema | his son works for apple so he got the employee price | 15:37 |
| ruskie | ahh | 15:37 |
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| ruskie | so some spare change got left there | 15:38 |
| anathaema | but it still cost too much imo | 15:38 |
| anathaema | i got my n900 for $350 | 15:38 |
| ruskie | I spent doubl to buy a n900 than I spent on a ps3 | 15:38 |
| anathaema | and it's almost open | 15:38 |
| anathaema | do i want a class 10 micro sdhc as opposed to class 4? | 15:39 |
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| ruskie | yes? | 15:39 |
| nidO | depends what you're planning to do with it. | 15:40 |
| sivang | thanks DocScrutinizer , others. see you all later. | 15:40 |
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| anathaema | i'm planning on installing meego to it | 15:41 |
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| nidO | you might be better with class6 imo | 15:41 |
| anathaema | maybe shooting some video to it also | 15:41 |
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| anathaema | frys had class 4 and class 10 | 15:41 |
| anathaema | in 32gb microsd cards | 15:42 |
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| anathaema | i should buy one from amazon | 15:42 |
| neal | the class is the minimum MB/s | 15:42 |
| mece | well class 10 if you can afford it. | 15:42 |
| anathaema | i9n that case frys rips people off on the class 4 ones | 15:43 |
| anathaema | they sell them at same price as class 10 | 15:43 |
| nidO | srsly? | 15:43 |
| nidO | you sure its not a branded class4 vs a noname class10? | 15:44 |
| anathaema | $99 for a 32gb micro sd | 15:44 |
| anathaema | the class 10 is patriot | 15:44 |
| ruskie | I like patriot | 15:44 |
| anathaema | same brand that amazon has for cheap | 15:44 |
| anathaema | and they say if i find a lower price on the web they will match it | 15:45 |
| ruskie | most ram I have in systems and a few SD cards and a few USB keys are all patriot | 15:45 |
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| anathaema | i carry an n900 hope they back that up | 15:45 |
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| anathaema | i can pull up amazon in firefox right in the store :) | 15:45 |
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| anathaema | i think i paid like $10 over the amazon price on a bluetooth dongle yesterday | 15:49 |
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| * merlin1991 tries the ovi suite backupthingy with the n900 just for fun | 16:00 | |
| merlin1991 | wonder how much stuff is going to break :P | 16:00 |
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| * timeless_w7ip wouldn't do that | 16:07 | |
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| merlin1991 | it worked fine, but generates an ugly .nbu binary blob with all the stuff in it | 16:12 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 16:12 |
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| neal | I figured out my shutdown_ind problem. Basically my application didn't managed to process the message within the grace period. Does anybody know how to extend that time a bit? | 16:23 |
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| pupnik_ | more daimonin for maemo screenshots http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/55979-daimonin-mmorpg/page__view__findpost__p__944030 | 16:48 |
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| rm_work | :P | 17:04 |
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| lcuk | rm_work, :P | 17:05 |
| rm_work | lcuk: :P | 17:06 |
| rm_work | lcuk: how goes it | 17:06 |
| lcuk | it goes well, though very tiring :) | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 17:07 |
| rm_work | yeah | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 17:08 |
| rm_work | nice to still see you and GAN around periodically :P | 17:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee | 17:08 |
| rm_work | seems the community is dwindling little by little, feels a bit sad, soon will not hear from any of my Maemo friends anymore >_< | 17:08 |
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| rm_work | also, not sure how you ever got ANYTHING done while you had a dayjob <_< | 17:08 |
| rm_work | the only reason i ever had time to work on stuff was because I was a student with like 70% free time | 17:09 |
| rm_work | now i get home, collapse, play like 30 min of video games and sleep :/ | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | better than 100% free time - you definitely get nuttin done then | 17:09 |
| rm_work | DocScrutinizer: T_T -- though I suppose there's something to be said for that, i got less done when I was completely unemployed than i did when i was in school | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | except feeding infobot | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 17:10 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer | 17:10 |
| rm_work | pupnik_: only one of those images loads :/ | 17:12 |
| npm | can someone confirm that qmlviewer on n900 eventually crashes even though other platforms (meego netbook/fedora desktop) work ok: see http://lists.qt.nokia.com/pipermail/qt-qml/2011-March/002468.html for details and video of app working w/o segmentation fault on desktop.... | 17:13 |
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| imerso | hi Guys | 17:16 |
| imerso | just curious if anyone has a weird bug when using x11vnc | 17:16 |
| imerso | ok i control my n900 from PC using x11vnc | 17:17 |
| imerso | it works really great | 17:17 |
| imerso | except | 17:17 |
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| FauxFaux | It causes you to press enter randomly? | 17:17 |
| imerso | the builtin browser, it does not respond to mouse clicks/drags | 17:17 |
| imerso | not even that, only the builtin browser does not work properly | 17:17 |
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| imerso | everything else (including opera) works perfectly | 17:17 |
| imerso | but I like the builtin browser, and ovistore only accepts it | 17:18 |
| imerso | anyone having this same problem? | 17:18 |
| imerso | FauxFaux? =) | 17:18 |
| FauxFaux | It's really annoying, don't do it. | 17:19 |
| imerso | well, everything else works nicely | 17:19 |
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| imerso | even Debian works great | 17:22 |
| imerso | I just can't understand WHY the builtin browser is the only app that does not work! | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask timeless_w7ip how the microB off-screen gestures got implemented | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised to learn microB is using a slightly different scheme to access pointer coords and moves | 17:24 |
| imerso | hummm | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | just handwaving | 17:25 |
| imerso | =) | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | some say my handwaving is usually good | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway AIUI microB UI is closed, so no luck in doing anything about it | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | except.... | 17:27 |
| imerso | nothing against your handwaving, lol | 17:27 |
| Sazpaimon | doesn't fennec work just as well? | 17:28 |
| * Sazpaimon hasn't used it | 17:28 | |
| lcuk | rm_work, I have just made a new n8x0 app :) once it works I will be posting it | 17:29 |
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| rm_work | lol | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall some rumour about native zooming of whole X screen (in cssu), so maybe if you could shrink the display a itsy bit so the virtual screensize also contains the off-screen areas in a small "black" frame... | 17:29 |
| imerso | except? | 17:29 |
| rm_work | my n800 doesn't work very well anymore | 17:29 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, offscreen gestures are just a stroke that starts at X=0 | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're sure? | 17:30 |
| imerso | oh | 17:30 |
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| lcuk | well that was how I wrote them when I was playing | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I definitely know sensitive area extends to offscreen (aka negative) values | 17:30 |
| * lcuk often tries to see "simple" way to do complex stuff | 17:30 | |
| lcuk | yes DocScrutinizer reading the ts driver | 17:30 |
| lcuk | but since these are x11 apps | 17:30 |
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| imerso | well, when I drag from the VNC client, the microB shows a mouse icon in the bottom left | 17:31 |
| imerso | I never see that icon when dragging on the device itself | 17:31 |
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| imerso | but using VNC client (from PC), it shows the mouse icon in bottom left and does nothing | 17:32 |
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| imerso | and it does not click links | 17:32 |
| imerso | really weird | 17:32 |
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| imerso | weird because everything else (all apps I tried until now) works | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | imerso: the same icon you get when sliding in from lower left into screen on N900 microB? | 17:33 |
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| imerso | never see that icon on device itself | 17:33 |
| imerso | dont know how to reproduce that | 17:34 |
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| imerso | I see it only when dragging from VNC client | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | imerso: is it that icon I just asked you? | 17:34 |
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| imerso | well I suppose it is | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | there definitely is such an icon | 17:34 |
| imerso | it is a big icon with an arrow pointing to upper left | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you never seen it on N900 then you never used the select mode in microB | 17:35 |
| imerso | it appears lower left | 17:35 |
| imerso | I never seen it before when using the device itself | 17:35 |
| imerso | yes, I never used select mode | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyesyesyesysesysersyse | 17:35 |
| imerso | I am new to N900 (not to computing but to N900 yes) | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think you told that 3 times now | 17:35 |
| imerso | =) | 17:35 |
| imerso | sorry | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | would you please do that encumbrance and open microb on N900, then slide from outside into screen hotizontally on lower left side? | 17:37 |
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| imerso | oh | 17:38 |
| imerso | yes, doing that the same icon appears | 17:38 |
| imerso | i knew about gestures but never got interested | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures | 17:38 |
| imerso | but yes, sliding this way on device really brings the same icon | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | so now we got some clue what's going on | 17:39 |
| imerso | yes, thank you | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that it makes us any wiser instantly | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc that icon should vanish after some 3s if not clicked | 17:40 |
| imerso | yes | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | which restores cursor to normal operation | 17:41 |
| imerso | yes, but the click is ignored | 17:41 |
| imerso | so I can't drag nor enter links | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | is that icon also vanishing in vnc? | 17:41 |
| imerso | I can use cursor keys to scroll the page, though | 17:41 |
| imerso | yes, it is vanishing in vnc as well | 17:41 |
| imerso | the interface around the web page works | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and reappers as soon as you do any mouse move? | 17:42 |
| imerso | only the rendered web page does not work | 17:42 |
| imerso | yes, it reappears | 17:42 |
| imerso | when I click within the rendering rectangle | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | are you using a trackpad? | 17:43 |
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| imerso | I am using a 3 button mouse | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 17:43 |
| imerso | a standard mouse | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange | 17:43 |
| imerso | 2 buttons + scroll wheel | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | it seems like mouse cursor gets moved to left side immediately as soon as there are no more mouse events | 17:44 |
| imerso | I can use opera but I would prefer to use the microB | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | could you try to move mouse to a link and circle around that link - always keeping it moving - until the icon disappears, then click the link | 17:45 |
| imerso | it is builtin, and I like its features =) | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | imerso: we all got your motivation | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is a bug that needs get killed | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | no need to applologize | 17:46 |
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| imerso | well, circling does zoom | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | it shouldn't | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you got mouse button presssed | 17:46 |
| imerso | oh | 17:47 |
| imerso | if i only move the mouse without clicking, the icon does not appear | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 17:47 |
| imerso | if i click or click and drag, the icon appear | 17:47 |
| imerso | even clicking links | 17:47 |
| imerso | but not clicking, it does nothing | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could your N900 touchscreen be defective, always sensing a non existent press event? | 17:48 |
| imerso | working on device is perfect | 17:49 |
| imerso | device is absolutely new and perfect | 17:49 |
| imerso | the problem is only when using a VNC client from PC | 17:49 |
| imerso | x11vnc running on device | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | please open a drawing program and try to draw some freehand lines | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N900 | 17:49 |
| imerso | humm, could it be some parameter I edited on the x11vnc? | 17:49 |
| imerso | humm | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, could be some x11vnc config | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | regarding mouse | 17:50 |
| imerso | I tried Sketch, it works fine | 17:50 |
| imerso | perfect | 17:50 |
| imerso | everything I tried works perfect | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's some weird thing in vnc then, I guess | 17:51 |
| imerso | but why only the builtin browser? | 17:51 |
| imerso | everything else works 100% | 17:51 |
| imerso | well, ok then, no problem at all | 17:51 |
| imerso | I can live with that | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'm not sure if it's a flaw in microB maybe. I never tested microB via VNC | 17:52 |
| imerso | and use Opera when under VNC | 17:52 |
| imerso | I have edited /usr/share/applications/hildon/x11vnc.desktop | 17:52 |
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| imerso | the parameter: Exec=/usr/bin/x11vnc -usepw -remap Return-KP_Enter | 17:52 |
| imerso | (use password, remap keyboard) | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe somebody here can reproduce and verify/flasify the microB issue. I got no such setup so I could do that right now | 17:54 |
| imerso | ok, thank you very much for your time | 17:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | so | 17:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | technically microb acts as a daemon | 17:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | which means that someone could replace tablet-browser-* and still talk to microb | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: is there anything special in the way microB detects mouse events? | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it could explain imerso 's problem | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | IIRC microB is doing some magic to decide if that's a stylus or a finger | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus some special filtering based on that distinction | 18:00 |
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| timeless_w7ip | there definitely has at times been stuff to deal w/ pressure | 18:02 |
| imerso | well, I'm new to the N900/Maemo, but not to computing (I work professionally as a programmer) | 18:02 |
| timeless_w7ip | so yeah, it's possible that if there's no pressure you're going to get the wrong behavior | 18:02 |
| imerso | I could try to fix that if the source were available | 18:02 |
| timeless_w7ip | perhaps you can hard code a pressure value? | 18:02 |
| imerso | but I suppose it's closed source? | 18:02 |
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| timeless_w7ip | imerso: could you try paying attention? | 18:02 |
| timeless_w7ip | this was covered 5 or so screens ago | 18:02 |
| timeless_w7ip | and you not paying attention hasn't won you any friends | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and as a touchscreen doesn't allow mouse events without button-pressed, I could think of microB ignoring the fact there might be moves that don't click | 18:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | anyway, i'd probably try tweaking the n900 vnc side so that it includes pressure sometimes | 18:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | or something like it | 18:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | note that the browser was more or less developed w/ Xephyr like everything else | 18:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | so if VNC can behave like Xephyr, it should more or less work | 18:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | if it's behaving *less* like Xephyr, then that'd be a bug in its port for Maemo | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh xephyr - good point | 18:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | its=vnc | 18:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_work: :P | 18:07 |
| rm_work | :P | 18:07 |
| villager | hmm, seems using video glasses with n900 has the disadvantage that I cant see where on the touchscreen I'm trying to tap | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_work: it'll rejuvenate a bit when we have new hardware again. | 18:07 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: yeah, always does | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It always gets like this because Nokia is completely incapable of providing continuity. | 18:07 |
| rm_work | but, who knows when that'll be | 18:07 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles, rm_work: agreed on both counts | 18:09 |
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| rm_work | lardman: was remembering the discussion we had about vectormap server/client system for local or internet stored vectormaps | 18:10 |
| lardman | yeah I keep thinking about that, and keep thinking that I don't have the time to do it :) | 18:10 |
| rm_work | lardman: i don't think we ever actually did anything for that? or if something was done, i never got in on it | 18:10 |
| rm_work | same >_> | 18:10 |
| rm_work | I'm thinking about looking into the server portion | 18:10 |
| lardman | Nah, I never did anything, but there is now a rendering lib for the OSM data, so it would probably be reasonably simple to setup for that | 18:11 |
| rm_work | if we can write up a good protocol for it | 18:11 |
| rm_work | if it doesn't already exist | 18:11 |
| lardman | I'd just use whatever Maemomapper asks for, e.g. the Google maps format for tiles | 18:11 |
| rm_work | does a protocol for serving the vectormaps already exist then>? | 18:11 |
| rm_work | ah yeah | 18:11 |
| rm_work | k | 18:11 |
| lardman | the lib is supposed to be used internally afaiu | 18:11 |
| rm_work | yeah | 18:11 |
| lardman | libmemphis iirc? | 18:11 |
| rm_work | cause you serve the pngs | 18:11 |
| lardman | Yep | 18:12 |
| rm_work | yeah i'll look at it | 18:12 |
| rm_work | i guess really if the server was done, can just use MaemoMapper? | 18:12 |
| rm_work | as the frontend | 18:12 |
| rm_work | is there a working branch for N900? | 18:12 |
| lardman | But adding that in and also replicating the routing lookup html call would be good for offline routing proividers | 18:12 |
| rm_work | never actually saw it | 18:12 |
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| rm_work | lardman: yeah was thinking seperate server process for routing | 18:12 |
| imerso | @DocScrutinizer: so, if I understood correctly, I could fix that changing X11VNC to pass pressure to the app? | 18:12 |
| pupnik_ | rm_work: perhaps you have imgur.com blocked | 18:12 |
| rm_work | since IIRC it is logically seperate in the GUI | 18:12 |
| rm_work | pupnik_: ah, yes, but usually i get error images instead of just broken links | 18:13 |
| lardman | rm_work: I'd have a single webserver to accept the requests for tiles and routing, then pass those off to separate processes if you want | 18:13 |
| rm_work | yeah well i suppose it wouldn't be hard to do both in the same app | 18:13 |
| lardman | running more than one webserver on the device seems a bit wasteful | 18:13 |
| rm_work | was just thinking then you could keep tiles offloaded to a server somewhere but do the routing locally | 18:13 |
| rm_work | if you wanted | 18:14 |
| rm_work | or VV | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | imerso: I hafe not the faintest idea. But definitely you should be able to configure vnc so it behaves in a way it works with microB | 18:14 |
| rm_work | well bbl, gotta go to lunch :P | 18:14 |
| lardman | You could do that anyway as they both accept different addresses | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | (or configure N900 so it does) | 18:14 |
| lardman | rm_work: I'll have a chat with you tomorrow | 18:14 |
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| imerso | will look into that, thank you. | 18:14 |
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| lardman | What would also be interesting is reverse engineering the vector data format used by Ovi MAps | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | imerso: obviously something makes the mouse position go to 0,0 when not moving the mouse | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so microB thinks there's a swipe from 0,0 to current cursor pos whenever that icon appears | 18:17 |
| imerso | makes sense | 18:18 |
| imerso | is there any simples way to just disable gestures then? | 18:19 |
| imerso | i dont use that anyway | 18:19 |
| imerso | but that is ok, nevermind | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as timeless_w7ip explained microB got tested and developed under xephyr, so there is a way to operate it with a standard mouse | 18:20 |
| imerso | this clarifies a lot already | 18:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | imerso: please don't think that the cursor in the corner is the cause of the problem | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | but vnc or N900 X might introduce some touchscreenish into the mouse events | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, it's the type and sequence of mouse events that makes that icon appear, and this type and sequence has to change so the icon doesn't appear when it's not supposed to | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it seems xephyr knows how to send the proper type and sequence | 18:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or to pass it thru in a correct way, while on N900 it causes microB to think there's a swipe | 18:25 |
| imerso | ok, will try some things (first look into all x11vnc parameters) | 18:25 |
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| imerso | if I don't find any config solution, will try fixing x11vnc then | 18:26 |
| imerso | if i find the time. =) | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: are you sure microB is checking for button_pressed status of mouse-pos events when deciding to detect a swipe? | 18:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | you're asking me if i'm sure about code no one has touched in about 2 years | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 18:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | which i barely touched at all in the first place? | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh, sorry, don't know which code you touched | 18:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | i touched microb | 18:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | this isn't microb | 18:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | not really | 18:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's mostly tablet-browser-* | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | err who else is checking for the swipe that pops up the select icon then? | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I think you lost me. Anyway o/ | 18:29 |
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| GAN900 | Man, all of this fancy new tablet hardware. | 18:37 |
| GAN900 | Where is Intel? | 18:37 |
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| timeless_w7ip | docscrutinizer: tablet-browser-ui = /usr/bin/browser.launch | 18:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | or whatever | 18:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | microb is /usr/bin/browserd | 18:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | they're unrelated processes | 18:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | but basically anything that's painting and has widget like behavior is probably coming from tablet-browser-ui or its relatives | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, you even better lost me now. imerso talked about maemo browser | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nfc what's the widget like behaviour you mentioned | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also what is painting here? | 18:42 |
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| villager | DocScrutinizer: if you're going to say what vnc "should" do, you should probably keep in mind that Xephyr is an X server, while x11vnc is not, it just injects fake events... there may be limits to what x11vnc can do, xephyr has no such limits | 18:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | doc: maemo browser = /usr/bin/browser = tablet-browser-ui + tablet-browser-.... | 18:45 |
| imerso | so Xephyr would work perfectly even with the microb? | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | quite intuitive | 18:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | the backend which actually retrieves data from the wire and thinks about how to talk to web pages and how stuff should appear on the screen = microb(gecko) = /usr/bin/browserd | 18:45 |
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| timeless_w7ip | imerso: well, "perfectly" might be overstating it | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: read backscroll, I mentioned that | 18:46 |
| timeless_w7ip | but it worked for most purposes | 18:46 |
| timeless_w7ip | and was used for development/testing | 18:46 |
| imerso | ok | 18:46 |
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| villager | DocScrutinizer: no, as far as I could tell, all you implied what that vnc did something *wrong* and *should* be able to do anything that xephyr could do, with no more limitations than xephyr | 18:47 |
| imerso | or, as said, one could modify x11vnc to pass pressure to the apps | 18:47 |
| imerso | reading x11vnc doc I can't find anything related to pressure | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-03-22 17:25:43] <DocScrutinizer> or to pass it thru in a correct way, while on N900 it causes microB to think there's a swipe | 18:48 |
| imerso | so I guess it does not pass pressure info, if I understood what you guys said before | 18:48 |
| imerso | yes | 18:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | imerso: i'm not guaranteeing it's pressure that's the issue | 18:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | the point is that xvnc is clearly not sending the same set of messages as the real screen | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it's the missing check for button_pressed | 18:50 |
| imerso | ok, that I understood | 18:50 |
| villager | DocScrutinizer: yep, that's where you're probably wrong... also "you should be able to configure vnc ..." ... there may be *no way* that vnc can ever "pass through" or "be configured" to do what xephyr can do, since x11vnc does not act as an X server | 18:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | and xephyr to my knowledge sends a better set | 18:50 |
| imerso | so the fix is between x11vnc -> apps | 18:50 |
| imerso | the message x11vnc is passing to the system | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: <yawn> sorry if my wording been too fuzzy for you | 18:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | villager: it's possible to emulate an n button mouse by providing a field with a drop down for a button and a set of widgets for <down> <hold> <tap> <up> | 18:51 |
| imerso | but even then, it would be better to use something like xming on PC and xephyr on the n900? | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | but yes, if that makes you feel better, I'm now aware xephyr is an alternative to X while vnc is "an alternative to mousedriver" | 18:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | we're not claiming "pass through" | 18:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | but i know for a fact that vnc does some things which are not "pass through" | 18:52 |
| villager | imerso: no... if the app queries the X server directly about stuff, instead of just looking at messages, then probably x11vnc cannot hope to intercept that since it's not the X server | 18:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | so to claim "oh, vnc can't do it, that violates layering" or something is BS | 18:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | because vnc has widgets and throbs which let it do or compose things instead of simply performing a pass through | 18:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | e.g. it has a menu item for <Ctrl>-<Alt>-<Del> | 18:53 |
| villager | though I admit I'm not totally sure how powerful the X-test extension really is | 18:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | because sure, you can't send ctrl-alt-del | 18:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | s/send/capture/ | 18:53 |
| infobot | timeless_w7ip meant: because sure, you can't capture ctrl-alt-del | 18:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | but you can insert a result equivalent to one, and it's important enough that they provide a way to do so | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | how do I convert from URL to IP again? | 18:55 |
| korhojoa | hm? | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | nevermind, /dns | 18:56 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 18:56 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: what did you try todo? | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | do a burnout, didn't work | 18:58 |
| imerso | the thing I found most interesting is that even the microb interface around the rendering window works | 18:59 |
| imerso | only the rendering window, where the site is loaded, does not work | 18:59 |
| imerso | just remembering, everything else works, everything | 19:00 |
| imerso | (( will try an action game right now )) | 19:00 |
| imerso | trying a game, that does not make any sense, but will try just to see | 19:01 |
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| imerso | played tetris =) | 19:02 |
| imerso | well, sorry but that is a bug within microb | 19:02 |
| imerso | that is not a problem with vnc | 19:03 |
| imerso | i am playing angry birds | 19:03 |
| villager | DocScrutinizer: well, it's not even a driver. it just uses X-test extension to inject events | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | imerso: if it's a bug in microB then it also would show up when using a mouse with N900 via USB hostmode or BT | 19:04 |
| _berto_ | "The Finnish cellphone maker is still considering its options for tablets and these include MeeGo" http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/21/us-nokia-tablets-idUSTRE72K4UU20110321 | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: >yawn> again. Please google for meaning of "ticks" | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | villager: I already granted you're right and I'm wrong and an idiot | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | what else do you want? | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kthnxby | 19:06 |
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| imerso | ok then, know what? | 19:08 |
| imerso | will be using Opera when under VNC. | 19:08 |
| imerso | problem solved. | 19:08 |
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| villager | DocScrutinizer: maybe to make clear that I do *not* think you're an idiot, but I tend to assume that people (esp. the technically minded) like to learn about stuff, because I do, and often enjoy people explaining stuff in a non-hostile way to me, even if I was wrong before... that colors my interactions I guess, I want to give back too, after all... | 19:18 |
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| pupnik_ | http://mises.org/resources/6045/The-Tragedy-of-the-Euro best book on the subject | 19:40 |
| rm_work | GAN900: fancy new tablets? IE the android ones? | 19:43 |
| rm_work | or | 19:43 |
| rm_work | ? | 19:43 |
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| GAN900 | rm_work, yeah. | 19:43 |
| GAN900 | Hardware looks nice | 19:44 |
| rm_work | yeah >_> | 19:44 |
| GAN900 | But . . . Android | 19:44 |
| rm_work | thinking about buying a Xoom or something and mounting it in my car as a nav system | 19:44 |
| GAN900 | and the fact that I have no use for a tablet. | 19:44 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, actually, that's a nice idea. | 19:44 |
| rm_work | nav/entertainment/media | 19:44 |
| rm_work | cause my radio does A2DP | 19:44 |
| rm_work | so | 19:44 |
| nidO | my win7 tablet does its' job perfectly \o/ | 19:44 |
| rm_work | Android maps is amazing | 19:44 |
| rm_work | and it could be my music server as well | 19:45 |
| rm_work | with Pandora / etc | 19:45 |
| GAN900 | I want MeeGo IVI. | 19:45 |
| rm_work | or passengers could watch TV shows | 19:45 |
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| slonopotamus_ | on n800, python needs 250ms to do nothing (python -c "") :) | 19:49 |
| * crashanddie is bored to death | 19:49 | |
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| ThreeM | firefox rc2 still useless | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, get killzone 3, that way I can kick your ass without even seeing you irl | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | you're implying you'd kick my ass IRL? | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | hypothetically, yaeh | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | yeah* | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, please don't scare off the developers :P | 19:56 |
| crashanddie | how so? | 19:56 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, up for a challenge? | 19:57 |
| crashanddie | depends | 19:57 |
| crashanddie | shoot | 19:57 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, I wasn't talking about rl :P | 19:58 |
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| MohammadAG | I like how you lose your head when someone shoots you in it | 20:01 |
| merlin1991 | ^ try to get that in australia :P | 20:02 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, your head? | 20:03 |
| merlin1991 | w00t? | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | you just highlighted someone | 20:03 |
| merlin1991 | I was refering to the crappy laws in australia regarding video games | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, you can't get killzone 3? | 20:05 |
| merlin1991 | highest rating is 15+ | 20:05 |
| merlin1991 | so a lot of games can't get sold there | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: so, what's the challenge? | 20:05 |
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| merlin1991 | developers often do heavily "cut" versions for the australian market | 20:06 |
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| nidO | guess you'll likely be missing out on dnf then | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, you can't do a challenge IRL without being in the same country | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | so, you name one :) | 20:07 |
| merlin1991 | I won't, I live in austria, no kangaroos here .P | 20:07 |
| jacekowski | do you have kangaroo driving licence | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | lmfao | 20:08 |
| jacekowski | and emu driving licence | 20:08 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: Your challenge is: find me a challenge. | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, your challenge is: lose a challenge to me | 20:10 |
| crashanddie | challenge accepted | 20:10 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: Challenge: Be a big fat emo prick. | 20:10 |
| crashanddie | I lose. | 20:10 |
| crashanddie | You win. | 20:10 |
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| merlin1991 | lmao | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | told you I'd kick your... what? | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | driving test on sunday, I'll probably fail it :) | 20:15 |
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| crashanddie | good luck mate | 20:18 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I failed my first one | 20:18 |
| merlin1991 | needed a 2nd try :) | 20:18 |
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| crashanddie | hang on | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | 1991 | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | and already your driving licence? | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | mate | 20:20 |
| crashanddie | I REMEMBER 1991!!! | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I went over a 100 in my first lesson | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | so I'll either fail cause 1) I don't have both hands on the wheel, 2) speed | 20:21 |
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| inz | MohammadAG, just try not to play with your N900 during your test, and it'll go fine ;) | 20:22 |
| crashanddie | or with anything else for that matter | 20:22 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: if you're on the right road over 100 is just fine :P | 20:22 |
| merlin1991 | 130 max here :D | 20:23 |
| crashanddie | even for young drivers? | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, 30 | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, I'm doing a legal 110 on friday, so yeah | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | crashanddie: yes, there's no difference how long you have the license speed wise, only the allowed alcohole level is even lower if you're a "young driver" | 20:23 |
| crashanddie | well | 20:23 |
| crashanddie | it depends on the country | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | alcohol level is the same for all ages, as long as you can drink | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | in France for example, young drivers have to drive 110 instead of 130 on highways, and 100 instead of 110 on motorroads | 20:24 |
| merlin1991 | bah we have 100 on all motorroads | 20:24 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 20:24 |
| merlin1991 | tbh the speed difference is the least problem | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | not really | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | because by default you drive as fast as the cars around you | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | though, that's a long forgotten memory in my case :P | 20:25 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | Got my motorbike licence revoked for doing 180 in a 50 zone :P | 20:26 |
| merlin1991 | nah what I meant is, that a new driver will drive as bad driving 110 or 130 | 20:26 |
| pupnik_ | scorched3d could really use a GLes port http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/ | 20:26 |
| merlin1991 | with that regulation you just get them frustrated, because everyone is taking over them | 20:26 |
| crashanddie | except an experieced driver can anticipate other driver's behaviour a lot better than a young one | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, watch it | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | I drive well @ 100 :P | 20:27 |
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| merlin1991 | crashanddie: that's why you usually keep distance from other cars, and more if you're new to the business :D | 20:28 |
| crashanddie | except that's the theory | 20:28 |
| * haj 's motorbike can only do 80.. kph.. | 20:28 | |
| haj | :) | 20:28 |
| haj | no tickets here.. | 20:28 |
| crashanddie | how many young drivers have you seen that drive in your ass? | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | heh, on my first lesson I always tried to get the least distance | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | for teh lulz | 20:29 |
| crashanddie | haj: heh, mine goes 130 downhill with wind in my back ;) | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | crashanddie: honestly the people how drive in my ass here are guys that are 50+ and have expensive suvs | 20:29 |
| haj | crashanddie: mine runs out of RPM at 80.. its this old war-horse.. http://gallery.nathue.dk/tingsager/dnepr/2011-01-30/.cache/1280x852-_MG_0485.jpg | 20:29 |
| crashanddie | well, those too | 20:29 |
| crashanddie | the general rule is that most drivers suck at driving | 20:30 |
| haj | crashanddie: it's like 55 years old.. ;) | 20:30 |
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| crashanddie | sweet | 20:30 |
| crashanddie | That looks so cool mate | 20:30 |
| haj | thanks.. :) | 20:30 |
| merlin1991 | I topped my car @ 170km/h downhill with wind in the back :P | 20:30 |
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| haj | it runs pretty nice.. when you get used to the low top speed.. :) | 20:31 |
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| crashanddie | haj: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4886039427/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4769108495/ | 20:31 |
| haj | on the smaller roads it's really fun riding with the sidecar.. especially with a light "sandbag" so it's possible to get the wheel flying. .;) | 20:31 |
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| haj | crashanddie: uhm. a 125? or something like thaT? | 20:32 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 20:32 |
| haj | ah, it says on the page | 20:32 |
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| haj | what kind of licence do you need to ride one of those? | 20:33 |
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| crashanddie | in France just the car licence is OK | 20:33 |
| crashanddie | well, not anymore, if you can't prove you had one before 2011, you need to undergo 7 hours of training (350 euros) | 20:33 |
| crashanddie | I'll probably get my motorcycle licence again over the summer or something | 20:34 |
| haj | I had to do training for like 150 euros in order to be allowed to ride with the sidecar.. | 20:36 |
| haj | really weird training... we spend most of the time balancing the bike on 2 wheels.. ;) | 20:37 |
| haj | hm .. I better go make some food.. *away* | 20:37 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, you can drive a bike with a car's license? :/ | 21:31 |
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| crashanddie | aye | 21:31 |
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| haj | MohammadAG: For some reason some politicians think that you can't really get hurt on a small bike.. ;) | 21:35 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, can I have your bike? Need to prove something to politicians | 21:36 |
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| haj | MohammadAG: I hear that here in Denmark we'll have 3 different kind of bikes next year.. x-small bikes, 11kw that 16year olds can ride, small ones, 25kw for 18-21year old, and then no limit, 21-?? | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG: the likelihood is that you're only going to hurt yourself. | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, meh. | 21:39 |
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| OkropNick | A little off-topic. I need some simple XMPP/Jabber client for Symbian s60 for not-nerdy girl. What would be good? | 21:43 |
| ruskie | haven't yet found the issue... | 21:44 |
| ruskie | erm... such a client I meant | 21:45 |
| OkropNick | mhm | 21:45 |
| ruskie | might try nokias own | 21:46 |
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| ruskie | I forget what it's called | 21:46 |
| ruskie | but it iirc requires a login into nokia before you can login to jabber | 21:47 |
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| xd13 | i asked this before but no one answered. Nokia isn't going to give us anymore updates for the n900 right ? i'm asking because i disabled all the nokia and ovi repositories keeping only maemo, testing,ssu etc | 21:49 |
| ruskie | xd13, cssu you might want to add ;) | 21:49 |
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| xd13 | well ya | 21:50 |
| xd13 | it is | 21:50 |
| ruskie | then I think you're more or less good | 21:50 |
| xd13 | i said all those at the end i have in theer | 21:50 |
| xd13 | i know refreshing is a lot faster without nokia and ovi in the repo list | 21:50 |
| ruskie | I think the next nokia update will be the meego developer edition for the n900 | 21:50 |
| xd13 | i want the phone 2 run smooth | 21:50 |
| xd13 | from the videos i've seen not as smooth as i want it, but if they can improve i'll b on top of it | 21:51 |
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| MohammadAG | videos always show things the way they aren't | 21:53 |
| xd13 | well once it becomes popular and ppl start trying we'll hear more reviews | 21:53 |
| xd13 | wish nokia gave us a ghz phone with the same capabilities as n900 and more bat life | 21:54 |
| xd13 | but i think thats all of us here | 21:55 |
| ruskie | nope | 21:55 |
| ruskie | just 512mb of mem | 21:55 |
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| ruskie | battery life is rather good already(4days here for me and my use case)... or most of a day of music playing/other use... | 21:55 |
| xd13 | i've never really ran it 2 empty | 21:56 |
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| xd13 | usually give it 2 days unless i have 2 use it a lot one day in which i charge every night | 21:56 |
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| nox- | moin | 21:58 |
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| nit-booter | Hey everyone, I have a question... I just installed nitdroid, and now the multiboot wont shop up on restart of the phone... Could it have become inactive somehow? | 22:27 |
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| lcuk | nit-booter, what is nitdroid? | 22:28 |
| nit-booter | Android version for N900 | 22:28 |
| lcuk | does it run in a window? | 22:29 |
| nit-booter | Multiboot works, it just refuse to show up on start... | 22:29 |
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| nit-booter | lcuk, it's installed on a Micro sdcard and you boot it up when you start the phone | 22:33 |
| lcuk | what benefits does it have? | 22:33 |
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| nit-booter | Android? | 22:35 |
| lcuk | yes | 22:35 |
| nit-booter | lcuk, android is another OS for the phone | 22:35 |
| lcuk | yes, so what benefits does it have | 22:35 |
| nit-booter | only benefit is getting access to android market i guess | 22:35 |
| lcuk | so what cool apps are there from the market? | 22:36 |
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| nit-booter | 250k to choose between | 22:36 |
| nit-booter | geez, how havnt you heard about Android? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | mentioning numbers does not sway me | 22:36 |
| lcuk | nit-booter, :) of course I have heard of android | 22:37 |
| lcuk | I am asking what benefits it has over other OSes | 22:37 |
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| nit-booter | Well, if you are after the XBMC remote you can download it from the androidmarket instead of making your own ;) | 22:38 |
| lcuk | i have a remote myself | 22:38 |
| lcuk | the xbmc one would not work on my computer | 22:38 |
| lcuk | but then there are others - like bluemaemo etc | 22:39 |
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| nit-booter | goddamnit, why doesnt multiboot start with phone start? | 22:39 |
| nit-booter | Bluemaemo uses bluetooth, bluetooth drains battery | 22:39 |
| lcuk | android manages to talk to remote devices without draining battery? | 22:39 |
| lcuk | now THAT is a feature! | 22:39 |
| nit-booter | ... | 22:39 |
| nox- | i guess he means an ir remote? | 22:40 |
| nit-booter | The particular app im after uses HTTP instead of bluetooth | 22:40 |
| nox- | oh | 22:40 |
| nit-booter | im always connected to wifi anyways | 22:40 |
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| nox- | ok | 22:40 |
| lcuk | nit-booter, ahhh, you mean one that uses wifi instead of bluetooth | 22:40 |
| * lcuk likes http remote controls :) | 22:40 | |
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| lcuk | turning the tv over from another ocuntry is useful and fun (seriously!) | 22:40 |
| lcuk | it really winds the missus up! | 22:40 |
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| nox- | haha# | 22:41 |
| nit-booter | So, does anyone had the same problem with Multiboot not starting at phonestart? :o | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | nit-booter, does android on the n900 have all the normal android apps? | 22:42 |
| nit-booter | It has access to Android Market | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | nit-booter, I remember seeing some sort of map thing on androids that works quite well | 22:44 |
| lcuk | is that available? | 22:44 |
| nit-booter | guess so, I havnt gotten that far yet | 22:44 |
| lcuk | it looks a bit like cloudgps from my recollection | 22:44 |
| nit-booter | reinstalling kernel power atm... | 22:44 |
| * lcuk wonders what the calendar on android looks like | 22:45 | |
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| ds3 | android talk? has people here surrendered? | 22:46 |
| nit-booter | nitdroid talk | 22:46 |
| nit-booter | :D | 22:46 |
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| lcuk | ds3, just wondering what makes people use it - whether there are any great things | 22:46 |
| lcuk | so far there is a market thingy, but no specific decent apps or games mentioned | 22:47 |
| nit-booter | XBMC remote is a decent app worth getting :P | 22:47 |
| lcuk | the full xbmc is available o nthe n900 meego | 22:47 |
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| ds3 | lcuk: it is good for selling new devices | 22:48 |
| ds3 | market is a very bad idea | 22:48 |
| ds3 | you have to sign in and put your credit card number in a system that you don't control/understand | 22:48 |
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| ds3 | wtf is that | 22:48 |
| lcuk | i don't mind that part | 22:48 |
| lcuk | I already did that with mrs lcuk | 22:49 |
| lcuk | as all women are the same (cannot control/understand) | 22:49 |
| nit-booter | Well why would I need XBMC on my phone? Thats just stupid... My movie library wont even fit by 10%... | 22:49 |
| ds3 | ah, but you probally get a better return then stupid apps | 22:49 |
| ds3 | nit-booter: you don't carry around a 1TB drive? :D | 22:49 |
| nit-booter | ds3, sadly I have a life... ;) | 22:50 |
| nit-booter | im soon giving up and getting a media keyboard for my computer :/ | 22:50 |
| nit-booter | Goddamnit, the phone is double-restarting now... | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | nit-booter, this android seems unstable :( you should use a proper os | 22:52 |
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| ds3 | nit-booter: well, maybe not 1TB but a 2.5" battery powered drive is very carryable | 22:52 |
| nit-booter | No, its the multiboot-kernel that wont start on phonestart | 22:52 |
| lcuk | do all android phones support this multiboot? | 22:53 |
| lcuk | perhaps you would be better just putting maemo/meego on them instead | 22:53 |
| turbowei | nitdroid still doesnt support voice call right? | 22:54 |
| nit-booter | As stated before, nitdroid is installed on a micro sd card, so I still boot up Maemo... But I want the multiboot menu but it doesnt show! | 22:55 |
| turbowei | nit-booter: boot with keyboard drawn out? | 22:55 |
| ds3 | can you, with nitdroid - ssh out to a shell and be able to use screen... i.e. send a ctrl-a? | 22:56 |
| nit-booter | Turbowei, I am... :/ | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | good luck nit-booter \o | 22:57 |
| nit-booter | wooop woop! re-flashed kernel power, works now! :D | 22:57 |
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| nit-booter | ds3, I dont know tbh... | 23:00 |
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| turbowei | nit-booter: does nitdroid support voice call? | 23:04 |
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| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, heh | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | I'll pass on meego conf, dates collide with my exams :/ | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lame. | 23:08 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, meego-fi conf too? | 23:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG: see if you can take them early. | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, can't, they're worldwide | 23:09 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, hmm? | 23:09 |
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| timeless_xchat | so, mIRGGI isn't very useful on the n8 | 23:10 |
| timeless_xchat | it doesn't expect devices not to have a keyboard / keypad ... | 23:10 |
| timeless_xchat | btw, there's a new Opera version for Fremantle | 23:11 |
| nit-booter | What would be the most awesome program for N900? | 23:11 |
| timeless_xchat | and a Firefox for Mobile rc, which is probably going to be final | 23:12 |
| javispedro | Hats off to opera guys if they keep updating... | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh | 23:12 |
| timeless_xchat | somewhere there's also apparently a Chromium with crypto support | 23:13 |
| timeless_xchat | but i don't know where :) | 23:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | crypto supporrt? | 23:23 |
| BCMM | there are browsers without crypto? | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | There are a number of programs for n900 I'd like. From a widget that turns the flashlight on when camera cover opened downwards, on out. | 23:23 |
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| krayon | SpeedEvil: That's a good idea that. | 23:29 |
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| * turbowei is loving Qt, but the project is turning into a rewrite of java, probably that is where it is stretching too far. | 23:39 | |
| xxtjaxx | which package ships python-qscintilla on maemo? | 23:40 |
| xxtjaxx | is there any | 23:40 |
| xxtjaxx | ? | 23:40 |
| FauxFaux | apt-file | 23:41 |
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| xxtjaxx | FauxFaux: hm? | 23:42 |
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| FauxFaux | It's a tool that tells yuo which package ships a file. | 23:42 |
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