IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-03-21

internetishardqt I think00:00
villagerwell that symbol popup from pushing the two upperleft keys is from a gtk input plugin, so if the browser isn't gtk-based, you won't get that popup00:01
internetishardokay, thanks for the info00:01
javispedroI think opera is plain X11.00:01
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villagerpupnik: why do you think the n900 screen is too small for gemrb?00:05
pupnikjust feels cramped for me00:06
pupnikgame was designed for 12"+ vga screens after all00:06
pupnikhave you tried it?00:06
villagergame ran on 640x480 as I recall, though it supported higher00:07
villagerwell, not really00:07
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villageradmittedly, even with the stylus, it's a bit hard to aim on OpenDune too00:10
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javispedroI made a largish road trip this weekend... as per usual, the n900 was perfect. I was surprised by the battery life this year and a half old battery is still able to store.00:13
internetisharddo you just turn it to 2g?00:14
javispedroyeah, I did00:14
internetishardI do that and bring two extra charged batteries00:14
MohammadAGI have 4 batteries!00:14
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internetishardI bet you do, but your like the n900 master00:15
internetishardMohammadAG: how do you charge them?00:15
MohammadAGexternal charger, and no, I'm not :P00:15
* javispedro has only one battery.00:15
javispedroit lasted through one and a half day, with GPS usage.00:15
internetishardyeah, can you recommend me this extra charger? I've been looking for a better one00:16
MohammadAGI just ebayed a BL-5J charger00:16
lcukjavispedro, screen brightness helps a lot00:16
internetishardjavispedro: any special mods? Mine definitely wouldn't00:16
lcukas does the mobile landscape00:16
MohammadAGit's $1 :P00:16
MohammadAGor 3, can't remember00:16
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lcukinternetishard, screen on brightest lasts much shorter time than knocking it down a few notches00:16
javispedrono mods... as lcuk said though I also reduced brigthness00:16
lcukinternetishard, use the lowest brightness you can happily use00:17
MohammadAGNight everyone00:17
internetishardI always have my screen brightness on the lowest setting00:17
lcuknn mo00:17
javispedrognite MohammadAG00:17
javispedroI am also testing my track logging stuff, currently 2 seconds por point..00:17
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javispedroI plan to implement some kind of track reduction algorithm00:18
lcukjavispedro, nice00:18
internetishardwhich gps app did you use?00:18
javispedroand I wonder if it really helps to battery life to do "agressive" adapting liblocation periodicity "variations"00:18
internetishardI tried to get that turn by turn one to work a while back00:18
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javispedrofor ex. predict that we won't need points every 2 seconds and instead request points every 30 seconds or the like when on high speed00:19
sobczyk_hi, anyone knows if mbarcode source is accessible?00:19
javispedros/points/gps fixes00:19
javispedroI should test that next time...00:19
SpeedEvil'predict' - how?00:20
lcuksobczyk_, absolutely! if you cannot find it on the mbarcode maemo garage page, you can get one of the src packages from:
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javispedroSpeedEvil: past speeds, direction changes.00:20
javispedroSpeedEvil: if they drop below a threshold -- reduce frequency.00:20
javispedro(obvious risk of missing a sudden change of direction/speed -- however, if there's a noticeable long term improvement in battery life, it might be worthwile)00:21
* SpeedEvil sighs at not having proper access to the GPS.00:21
SpeedEvil(at least as far as I'm aware, with the current stack)00:21
internetishardjavispedro: which gps were you using?00:22
javispedroSpeedEvil: did you have data on wheter 2-second or 5-second liblocation fixes make a difference in battery usage?00:22
SpeedEviljavispedro: no00:22
javispedrointernetishard: I did not use navigation -- not even ovi maps, just recorded tracks.00:23
internetishardoh, how did it help you on the road trip then?00:23
internetishardahh, that's how your battery lasted so long00:23
javispedroI did not bring my usual handheld gps =)00:24
javispedrointernetishard: yeah, screen was not _always_ on ;)00:27
internetishardhow did you find your way?00:27
internetishardyou read raw gps data? haha00:27
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javispedroit's called pre-planning00:27
internetishardwhere's the fun in that?00:27
* javispedro ponders what internetishard is going to say when I tell him that I wasn't the one driving even...00:28
internetishardNot sure what that means... someone in your car had an iphone? +_+00:28
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javispedrobaah, forget it :P00:31
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xd13n900 till it diies on me00:40
pupnikanybody have a fast pulseaudio replacement?00:41
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BCMMpupnik: fire?00:43
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BCMMit serves the same purpose of not playing audio, and is marginally less irritating00:43
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pupnikwell we can bypass it - just need to ensure that the app doesn't break the speakers00:45
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chxOh my lord, t-mobile bought by AT&T there werent that many AWS phones so far and now ... i think i need to stockpile on N900.00:48
chx(I am on Wind Mobile in Canada.)00:48
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xd13chx n900 is an amazing phone, i'm worried if i were 2 break my current i would want the xact same00:52
chxmy problems is truly absymal battery life , if i have IM ongoing ti sucks the battery dry in a few hours and the bulk00:52
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BCMMchx: on gprs?00:52
BCMMpretty much anything will have poor battery life doing that00:53
BCMMi mean, unless it's got a massive bulky battery00:53
chxhowever, the bulk might be a savior, 'cos if it's that bad i might need to carry a bag anyways then slipping in an external battery is not that big of a challenge.00:53
chxi have two batteries with usb ports for my laptop00:53
BCMMyou can't carry the n900 in a pocket?00:53
chxi tried00:53
chxi cant00:53
xd13i wish nokia would have made a better battery of original size00:54
chxi tried it on my belt, digs in my side / stomach when i sit00:54
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BCMMseems to fit in regular jeans pockets to me00:54
BCMMmen's jeans, i mean00:54
xd13i keep it in my pocket as well00:54
chxdont you fear for the screen?00:54
BCMMprobably almost no women's clothes have a sufficiently large pocket00:54
chxi put in a case and now it's too big.00:54
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chxi am a man. or so i think.00:55
BCMMoh, i don't use a case00:55
BCMMi just keep it in a pocket all on it's own00:55
chxand what happens to the screen?00:55
BCMMvery careful that keys and stuff are on the other side00:55
BCMMit's fine, because the lining of hte pocket is made of a similar material that a case would be...00:55
chxpocket dirt?00:55
chxthe battery is not helped by the fact that the usb connector is um00:56
BCMMi'm careful taking it out though, because of jeans that have those stupid little metal studs pinning the pocket on00:56
BCMMi'm almost sure those aren't actually structural00:56
SpeedEvilBCMM: Sew patches over them00:56
xd13the only thing i ever put in my pocket with my n900 is my wallet00:57
BCMMmine has a metal zip i wouldn't put anywhere near the phone00:57
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BCMMmeh, if i have a wallet, things are going to be bought, and therefore i have a bag00:58
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BCMMactually, the two downsides of the n900 over the venerable 3410 are battery life, and that you could easily fit a folded tenner under the back casing of a 341001:00
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pupnikhardware-wise the e71 is awesome01:02
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nox-oh tmo u.s. sold...02:04
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budfiveanybody able to connect to AIM on maemo5 recently? I've been getting a "network error" for the last few months02:44
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pupnikis AIM still around02:45
budfivesure :)02:45
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internetishardn900 works with any 3.5mm headset right?03:23
SpeedEvilHeadsets vary03:23
internetishardfor mic too03:23
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internetishard this looks decent, wrong connectors though03:27
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internetishardmine broke because I cut them up03:29
internetishardto put a wrap around headphone on them03:29
internetishardwhich didn't really work out - now I'm looking for one that comes like that03:29
internetishardSpeedEvil: that isn't a n900 only connector is it?03:30
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SpeedEvilIt works with the n90003:31
SpeedEvilthe wh-20r5 that is03:31
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internetishardSpeedEvil: got disconnected, so I missed whatever you might have said; sorry03:32
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SpeedEvilThey are WH-205's - that are the nokia phones supplied with several nokias03:33
internetishardyeah, I used to have them before I cut them up03:33
internetishardto put comfortable speaker(s) on them03:34
internetishardthose ones that clip around the back of your ear and don't fall off03:34
SpeedEvilThe earbuds don't fall out for me.03:34
DocScrutinizerit's as standard as it can get03:35
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* ShadowJK usually has thw wire going behind ear with wh-205 type earbuds03:41
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SpeedEvil(though silly price)03:43
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wmaronepupnik: you there?05:41
wmaronein any case05:42
wmaronepupnik: would you have any insight into tihs topic:
wmaroneand where the sources for it may be?05:42
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luke-jranyone else notice T-Mobile has ALREADY dropped their no-contract plans?06:40
budfiveheh? even more plus has been available in-store only for a few months now06:45
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DocScrutinizerumm, that's not like t-mo to change their product palette less than a 3 months after some company capital shift07:17
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ds3it would blow if they divest the N900 enabled 3G network07:20
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: well, I guess it's because AT&T has already disclosed they WON'T be continuing T-Mo rates once contracts expire07:20
luke-jrso contractless is kinda pointless now07:20
luke-jrds3: it blows period07:20
DocScrutinizereven US has some anti-trust agency07:21
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: Sprint has already appealed to them to forbid it07:22
DocScrutinizerI doubt at&t can simply shut down a service of t-mo and bewilder/let down on all the users depending on it07:22
luke-jrT-Mo forums are up in flames07:22
luke-jreveryone is terminating it sounds like07:23
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DocScrutinizerOTOH US mobile market is so fubar, prolly virtually everything can happen, except one thing: they get it done right one day07:23
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DocScrutinizerwhole US capitalism (sorry I'm missing the correct term) has one big problem: it's all but common sense and intuitive what a company can do to their customers. Seems there's basically no rules at all, except the ones that make McD write "attention! hot content" on their coffee mugs07:28
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DocScrutinizerso if anybody decides to make a business out of selling atomic waste as pool cleanser detergent, it probably also takes some case at court to make them write "Attention! may contain ionizing material!" on the can07:31
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DocScrutinizerthen they claim that's a business secret that makes their products unique, and that's been it with the writing. "Sorry customer, the company can't be urged to disclose their business secrets"07:33
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* DocScrutinizer should patent this concept - might conveniently solve the problem of nuclear waste disposal07:54
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gztFlashed emmc+os to my n900 and got now a litle problem, fone does not regonize sim-card at all, any ideas??09:37
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gztnevermind got it working :>10:01
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Termanagood morning10:57
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timeless_officeanyone here familiar w/ gst?11:01
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crashanddietimeless_office, quite a few I'd reckon, how about you just ask your question?11:02
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timeless_officeso, i found a function called 'goom_close'11:03
timeless_officeand i have two versions which claim to be 0.10.2711:04
timeless_officebut their goom_close impls do not look particularly similar, and i'm wondering what's going on11:04
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RST38hMoo all11:18
alteregoRST38h: lcuk cunningly pointed out yesterday that tablet ux for meego is all qml11:19
RST38halterego: Yea, I know. And it shouldhave components too. There is only one catch.11:19
timeless_officecrashanddie; can i get you to read some Xorg code? :)11:20
RST38halterego: We have no sources for it :)11:20
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MohammadAGwho can change maemo's api docs?11:20
crashanddietimeless_office, frankly? No.11:20
RST38hMohammad: You mean the web reference? XFade for example11:20
MohammadAG that needs to be changed to G_TYPE_UINT, instead of G_TYPE_ULONG as villager pointed out11:20
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RST38hMohammad: They are the same data type11:21
RST38hMohammad: And yes, it is historic :)11:21
MohammadAGULONG failed, UINT didn't11:21
crashanddiebasically, I just found the following in some header file: #define TWO 2 #define THREE 3 #define four 44 #define FIVE 5 #define sixty 7011:21
MohammadAGso clearly, it has to be a uint11:21
RST38hYea, the #define may be missing11:22
MohammadAGno, it isn't11:22
MohammadAGoh, that wasn't @ me11:22
RST38hMohammad: You are right: they may be the same, but not to Gnome:
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RST38hBasically, they have got different IDs in the Gnome variant object11:23
MohammadAGso, who can change the api docs?11:23
* MohammadAG pings X-Fade 11:24
RST38hDo notice that these html docs are probably generated from some master11:24
MohammadAG-doc packages I guess11:24
RST38hHow interesting: Gnome does have separate IDs for INT/UINT and LONG/ULONG but it has *no* ID for shorts11:25
* RST38h wonders why11:25
robbiethe1stCause no one uses shorts perhaps?11:27
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RST38hrobbie: yea, right...11:32
robbiethe1stThen, why?11:33
* RST38h sighs: some people can really be replaced with small PERL scripts11:33
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crashanddieI had some guy from production call me, telling me the performance was piss poor on the VoIP server11:49
crashanddieso I go have a look, and find about 300GB worth of logs and traces for the past 24h11:49
crashanddieapparently they found out how to activate our debug switch11:49
crashanddieI mean, these guys run production phone systems, and they sent me a bug report, saying that our conference system didn't work when they called 012314567891155, however it did work when they called 0123456789 <pause 3 seconds> 115511:53
ruskiethis is why debug functions need to be documented and HUGE arse warnings appended that toggling this can have hazardous effects11:53
crashanddieruskie, actually, no. We gave them a manual saying exactly how to run it. No more, no less.11:53
crashanddieNo need for funky features, they've got everything they need...11:54
ruskieshould be documented</angry sysadmin>11:54
crashanddieIt's in the man page.11:55
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crashanddiewhere it says that the --debug=full flag is a DEBUG FLAG (who would've guessed), and should only be used whilst DEBUGGING, never in PRODUCTION.11:56
ruskiefrom the posts it sounded like it wasn't documented...11:56
crashanddiehmm, when I said "our", I just meant no one else ever uses it11:56
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: I'm a shellscript ;-P12:08
DocScrutinizeryou cant replace me by a friggin perl script12:09
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: hat's when you start considering to implement eastereggs like a call to all trunks each 10 minutes, playing a prerecorded warning "the system is in debug mode"12:14
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: ...or tell them they now have to *analyze* those 300GB, and you'll power up the system when they come with proper results of this analysis. But until then... ;-P (BOFH)12:18
DocScrutinizeror simply: please PRINT it now! then show me the printout12:19
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DocScrutinizerwhe they come with those 15 tons of paper, you tell them "did you see that one line at 04:51:23.044123, saying 'can't open - file not found'? Here, look..." then pick out the right paper from the right stack on 2nd or third try, and highlight the line with a marker :-P12:24
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JaffaMorning, all12:39
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villagerRST38h: GValues are used for parameter passing, not for storage or calculation, so it does not need to cover the full range of types... and in the C language, short parameters are usually automatically passed as integers anyway, but ints and longs can have different sizes so they must have different types12:46
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JaffaX-Fade: ping12:47
X-FadeJaffa: Pong12:47
JaffaX-Fade: Have you updated council@ yet? I need to send some handover material and want to know to whom that'll go ;-)12:47
villagerRST38h: for different purposes (marshalling), GVariants cover a broader range of integer types12:47
DocScrutinizer51morphing Jaffa, X-Fade12:47
X-FadeJaffa: No, not yet. Got distracted again :)12:48
JaffaX-Fade: OK, ta. Will it be done soon (in which case I'll hold off); or should I plough ahead?12:49
X-FadeJaffa: editing aliases now.12:49
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: MohammadAG had an exotic request: fixing a flaw in maemo docs :D12:51
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MohammadAGvillager, pointed it out, not me :)12:52
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> that needs to be changed to G_TYPE_UINT, instead of G_TYPE_ULONG as villager pointed out12:52
RST38hvillager: no need to have bytes then, they are also passed as ints12:54
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merlin1991X-Fade: whatabout the cloak?12:56
X-Fademerlin1991: Will do that together with the council changes.12:57
X-FadeMohammadAG: Marcell will edit the origin for the docs, then it should show up on at the end of today. Or tomorrow.12:58
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MohammadAGX-Fade, thanks12:59
khorben_ FWIW13:02
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OkropNickI finished N900 discharge script alert. If someone want it, it's here: - can be launched for example from fcron13:12
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JaffaOkropNick: What does it do?13:16
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lcukjaffa, at a guess: while(1){ if(battery_low){ alert("Battery low"); } } :P13:17
OkropNickJaffa: it's testing battery charge lrevel, and when it is below given level, default 10% it;'s displaying remind to charge phone, turn on vibration for 1 second and speaking "charge me" :)13:17
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lcukOkropNick, in principle how is this different to what happens now?13:18
DocScrutinizerkhorben_: now that's nice news :-D13:18
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OkropNicklcuk: now - without script - there is only quiet sound remind below 5%13:19
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OkropNickIt's just for me, but I pasted it, because someone in future maybe need it13:20
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lcukOkropNick, I am wondering whether simliar would be usable on meego DeveloperEdition, let me ask13:25
OkropNicklcuk: dont't ask to ask, just ask :)13:25
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lcukOkropNick, :D13:28
lcukgood advice13:28
lcukI have posted link to your release notes and download for your git repository :P13:28
lcukon the #meego-arm channel13:28
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: any idea where on wiki we could integrate khorben_'s nice info about defora/hackable:1 ?13:33
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DocScrutinizerI thought there'd be a page about alternative distros or somesuch, listing meego, shr, mer, whatnot. Can't find such page13:34
lcukDocScrutinizer, not looked to know and just about to go for lunch13:34
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khorben_DocScrutinizer: is there a page for alternative repositories?13:35
DocScrutinizerhmm, tha might be the right page, yes13:36
khorben_at least for the time being13:36
khorben_sounds about right :)13:39
khorben_although at the moment hackable:1 does have everything it takes to actually boot on Maemo, it's based on Debian, so it can13:40
khorben_although at the moment hackable:1 does not have everything it takes to actually boot on Maemo, it's based on Debian, so it can13:40
DocScrutinizerterribly out of date it seems13:40
DocScrutinizer(that wikipage)13:40
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khorben_there's too13:41
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DocScrutinizershort stupid question: how to markup strike-thru text in mediawiki?13:54
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DocScrutinizerfoundit <s>13:58
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lardman'allo 'allo14:01
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DocScrutinizer'allo la'dman14:42
DocScrutinizeranybody used ?14:42
DocScrutinizeresp the sp-*14:43
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DocScrutinizerWTF anybody else got a mess on that page?14:46
ruskieI see a ton of Documentation/ links14:47
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DocScrutinizerin konqueror the links aren't linewrapped so table extends underneath the right hand menu14:49
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DocScrutinizerin FF it's ok14:49
MohammadAG sexy, ain't it?14:50
pupniklooks pro MohammadAG14:51
E0xhmm the n900 without the battery cover fill more right in the hands14:53
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mecewhere can I find xulrunner-dev? for n900?15:05
meceMohammadAG, what pupnik said :)15:06
MohammadAGpupnik, mece thanks :D15:08
MohammadAGmeh, deleted it by accident15:11
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mecehm has something changed regarding the dsk repositories?15:27
meceI'm getting connection failed on everything!15:28
mece  Unable to connect to http: [IP: 80]15:28
meceErr fremantle/free Packages15:28
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MohammadAGlol the iPhone's headphones don't work on the N90015:33
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fralsiphone is using some other connector so not surprising really?15:34
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jpinxanyone know why I can connect to a server with ssh but not to a webpage in the browser on my n900 ?15:34
ruskieor you have something muted/set to to low a silence15:34
MohammadAGfrals, 3.5mm, supposdely15:35
ruskieare they 4 pin?15:36
frals3.5mm maybe but not same order or wth its called15:36
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mecedammit why does nothing work in my sdk?????15:39
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jpinxbrowser hiccup ?15:45
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mecejpinx, ?15:46
jpinxanyone know why I can connect to a server with ssh but not to a webpage in the browser on my n900 ?15:47
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jpinxmece: /\15:47
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villagerRST38h: for language bindings (e.g. python), G_TYPE_CHAR would probably be a different language type than an int, while a short would not be... for GValue, they added the types they needed for portability and language bindings I think, and no more15:53
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rm_workjpinx: DNS? are you using an IP for your SSH connection?16:00
rm_workjpinx: or, firewalled? 22 gets out but 80 is blocked?16:00
crashanddiejpinx, may sound obvious, but is the website down?16:01
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crashanddieMohammadAG, actually, they're not16:02
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korhojoajpinx, also one alternative: proxy required?16:03
crashanddieMohammadAG, basically, as soon as there's some funky stuff going on such as remote control via headphones, microphone or whatever, the jack 2.5mm isn't "standard" anymore16:03
MohammadAGtrue, but it should be backwards compatible16:03
crashanddieWhich means you hear distorted sound... Usually, pulling them out half a mm is enough to get correct sound (even though on sometimes, you'll only get one ear working)16:03
MohammadAGthe N900's headphones work fine on my laptop16:04
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crashanddiethey don't work on my macbook16:04
crashanddiemy macbook detects it as a microphone16:04
MohammadAGcrashanddie, we talk on here because we don't want to be overheard?16:08
* MohammadAG looks at channel logs16:08
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* jpinx is working a eeepc beside the n900 with no wifi issues16:08
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jpinxrm_work: yes - ssh is to an IP16:09
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rm_workjpinx: then, check your DNS16:10
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crashanddieMohammadAG, indeed, no logging, no tracing, all that16:14
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crashanddieMohammadAG, and we sp34k l33t.16:14
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DocScrutinizer51crashanddie: don't PCs usually have dedicated receptacles for mic and headphones (i.e. 2)?16:19
korhojoaDocScrutinizer51, not all of them16:19
crashanddieDocScrutinizer51, not the macbook 13"16:19
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korhojoai've seen quite a few now with combined16:19
korhojoaand then a spdif port16:19
korhojoausually coax, almost never optical16:20
korhojoasometimes it's been the same port.16:20
korhojoamini toslink just fit right in16:20
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, the optical + mic in + speaker out are combined in the same IIRC16:20
DocScrutinizer51well, if whatever PC is detecting N900 headset as a mic then it's a rather fubar design of the PC16:20
korhojoaDocScrutinizer51, but tbh, this headset isn't really standard16:21
korhojoaor well, if it is, nobody uses this standard16:22
DocScrutinizer51korhojoa: I know about the combined toslink-analogAV. Planned one for GTA04 phone16:22
DocScrutinizer51korhojoa: sorry to disagree, check backscroll or log for 'it's as standard as it can get'16:23
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jpinxrm_work: I can get google web page by it's IP number so how doI fix the dns?16:27
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rm_workare you on WIFI or using 3G?16:27
MohammadAGcrashanddie, y34h, 1 n0t1c3d16:27
jpinxrm_work: wifi16:29
rm_workjpinx: what is your DNS server set to on the n900?16:29
jpinxwhere do I lookfor that?16:29
rm_worktype "nslookup"16:29
rm_workit will tell you Server:16:30
SpeedEvilThe DNS server onthen900 is set to localhost.16:30
SpeedEvilIt runsdnsmasw16:30
rm_workah what, blah k16:30
rm_workthanks SpeedEvil16:30
jpinxso why hasx mine suddenly decided to not work?16:30
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jpinxnslookup says
rm_workjpinx: not sure :/16:32
rm_workjpinx: is your router properly configures?16:32
jpinxrm_work: it is a public wifi that Just Works with me eeepc here16:33
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ArkenoiDoes io scheduler that deals properly with flash storage exist at all? If yes, why we do not use it?16:41
korhojoajpinx, set it to, that's opendns16:43
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jacekowskiArkenoi: noop16:44
jacekowskiArkenoi: or deadline16:44
jacekowskiArkenoi: but it's not going to help16:44
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jacekowskiArkenoi: flash storage is slow and that's all16:44
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Arkenoijacekowski, it is ok that it is slow. it is not ok that any "background" task like sync or tracker-indexer causes everything to be unresponsive at inacceptable level16:45
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jacekowskiArkenoi: you would have to give it lower io priority16:46
jacekowskideadline elevator could do it16:46
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jacekowskiArkenoi: if you have time16:48
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jacekowskitry playing with /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/iosched/scheduler16:49
Arkenoijacekowski, yes, i'd give it lower io priority, but we do not even have ionice in the system, i was told it is because it won't really work anyways :-(16:49
jacekowskiand mmcblk116:49
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jacekowskitry changing it to noop16:49
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denohi there16:53
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DocScrutinizer51nope, as SpeedEvil said the file points to *always*17:03
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DocScrutinizer51you don't want to set it to any other IP17:03
DocScrutinizer51for DNS17:03
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jacekowskimilestone keys leak17:07
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infobotcssu is probably
lardmanjacekowski: interesting17:20
lardmanDocScrutinizer51: a belated morning back to you :)17:21
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pupnik_NDAs prevent the future from sending signals back to the present :)17:28
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macmaNyo allz17:39
macmaNis anyone using a 3G USB modem with their N900?17:40
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MohammadAGan iPhone 5 proto, meh17:46
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xkr47pupnik_, :)17:48
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: really?17:53
DocScrutinizer51lardman: moinmoin17:53
* lardman didn't do quite as much hacking on his week off as he'd thought17:54
lardmanin fact staying well away from computers was quite pleasant :)17:54
DocScrutinizer51macmaN: now that sounds a bit silly17:54
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Venemo_N900lardman :)17:54
macmaNDocScrutinizer51: hear me out yo. it makes it possible to share data plan between devices.17:55
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer51: don't think so. sometimes the policy of mobile operators lacks any common sense17:56
DocScrutinizer51k k17:56
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, yeah17:56
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DocScrutinizer51nevertheless it sounds silly, however useful it might be17:57
macmaNVenemo_N900: yeah you're on the right track17:57
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer51: in my country, data plans sold with 3G USB devices are cheaper than those with mobiles17:57
DocScrutinizer51macmaN: you'd need external power source for sure17:57
macmaNDocScrutinizer51: thats what im worred about :/17:57
macmaNn900 can something like 100mA?17:58
DocScrutinizer51no need to worry. it's fact17:58
MohammadAGI could power my 3G modem, but it never worked, or never got a signal17:58
MohammadAGit only flashed a bit17:59
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macmaNthat's definitely a bleh :/17:59
DocScrutinizer51sure, it doesn't need much until starts TX17:59
DocScrutinizer51mine even came with Y-cable by default18:00
DocScrutinizer51so I guess they thought even 500 might be low18:00
macmaNoh wow18:01
macmaNso a laptop hdd needs less than the modem?18:01
DocScrutinizer51which evidently might be true. as you got up to 2W OTA TX on such device. And efficiency of tx amp is more like 0.518:02
DocScrutinizer51so prepare for 4W/5V18:02
DocScrutinizer51which in my book is >>500mA18:03
pupnik_maybe a clever capacitor + resistor could buffer the current for sending?18:04
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DocScrutinizer51afaik there *are* commands to reduce TX power, but do you want to do that?18:05
DocScrutinizer51pupnik_: can and actually to some degree is done18:05
macmaNso i wonder what could be the solution here18:06
DocScrutinizer51but doesn't really help18:06
macmaNgoal is to have something that i could hotplug between my real router and n900 when i need to18:06
DocScrutinizer51macmaN: dualsim/twinsim/clonesim18:06
DocScrutinizer51I know the pain18:07
macmaNDocScrutinizer51: you mean forced to move away from n900?18:09
macmaNany of the +sim approaches dont apply to n900 or am i missing something18:09
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* DocScrutinizer51 wonders what will happen to first twin's data connection on signin of the 2nd twin kicking the GSM routing of calls to first device18:10
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DocScrutinizer51macmaN: twinsim are two 'identical' sim with one account for both18:11
DocScrutinizer51hard to find but sometimes you can get those18:11
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macmaNyeah but there are restrictions with that18:14
DocScrutinizer51macmaN: very old sims you can clone to build your own twinsim18:14
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DocScrutinizer51what restrictions? are they worse than what you get with one sim?18:15
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anapospastoshi guys, did anyone manage to solve this?
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hajgad vide om det vil blive kaldt krig eller terror hvis Gadaffi var i stand til at nakke et militært hovedkvarter i USA?18:27
hajwrong chan.. again.18:27
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MohammadAGwhy the stock media player sucks:18:39
MohammadAGmethod call sender=:1.58 -> dest=org.freedesktop.Tracker serial=287 path=/org/freedesktop/Tracker/Metadata; interface=org.freedesktop.Tracker.Metadata; member=GetMultiple18:39
MohammadAGit wastes a good API (MAFW) and uses tracker instead18:40
anapospastosit's veeery annoying, the default audio icon is an album art picture18:40
MohammadAGactually, it doesn't waste it18:40
MohammadAGit uses both18:41
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anapospastoscan I fix it?18:41
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MohammadAGthat would be tracker18:44
MohammadAGwhich I have no idea about18:44
MohammadAGrecursive : TRUE, if browsing should be recursive. <-- wow, explains a lot18:44
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anapospastossomewhere will exists a value/"link" or somewhat that stores the default audio icon picture18:46
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celestehlcuk: thank you for your recommendation yesterday. :)18:56
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anapospastosor if I ll find and delete this album thumbnail to get forced to use the default18:58
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lardmananapospastos: tried to reboot?19:01
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lardmanIs there an icon cache on the device, sounds like it's become corrupted19:01
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lardmanor do you really think something has altered the (presumably) gconf key for the icon?19:02
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anapospastosThis problem appeared months ago, something is corrupted and it "thinks" that the default audio icon is the wrong one19:03
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lardmanI'd be tempted to re-generate the icon cache and see if that fixes it19:04
anapospastosmaybe something like this is what I need, what command I ve got to run?19:05
lardmanhmm, might be that we no-longer have an icon cache...19:05
lardman might be worth a look to see if this is the same thing19:07
povbotBug 6931: After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one19:07
lardmanprobably not though as yours presumably persists after a reboot?19:08
anapospastosit persists after reboot or changing of theme19:09
anapospastosI believe it's not bug 693119:09
povbotBug After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one19:09
anapospastosy but it is concerning apps, maybe for files is something different19:11
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lardmanwell perhaps it is gconf then, I don't know how the filemanager handles it's icon choice19:13
tekonivelojust got my N900 out of the closet19:13
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tekoniveloi guess the 20.blahblah is the newest version, over the SSU19:14
povbotBug 11635: Wrong icon for non id tagged audio files19:15
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lardmanI wonder where the hildon-thumbnailer caches the album art thumbnails19:19
lardmanthe code is in the git repo19:19
Venemo_N900lardman: maybe that's the mediaartlocal directory's purpose?19:21
lardmanno idea, I've not looked at all19:21
lardmananapospastos: have a look at the source and see if that's relevant, but you may still suffer from the bug unless you can patch the thumbnailer (I guess) and add it to the community ssu19:22
MohammadAGlardman, /home/user/.cache afaik19:22
lardmanthanks MohammadAG19:22
lardmananapospastos: you see that? ^19:22
MohammadAGI could be wrong but...19:22
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# ls /home/user/.cache/media-art/ | wc -l19:23
lardmanif there's a problem with the way the thumbnailer works anyway it probably makes little difference19:23
lardmanknowing where the cache is19:23
MohammadAGI get wrong album art on Ubuntu too19:23
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MohammadAGit's tracker, for sure19:23
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lardmanwell adding a newer better version of tracker would be a worthwhile cssu goal19:24
lardmanfor anyone brave enough to take it on that is :)19:24
anapospastosoutput of ls /home/user/.cache/media-art/ | wc -l is 7519:24
pupnikhow about a tracker based on locate/updatedb19:24
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lardmancu chaps tomorrow19:26
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anapospastosI deleted the cache files and I ran tracker-processes -r but no19:31
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MohammadAGyou could try /home/user/.thumbails/fail19:39
MohammadAGappropriately title if I may add19:39
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anapospastostracker-processes -r is the correct cmd to "refresh" them?19:43
MohammadAGnot those, no19:46
MohammadAGrm -rf the folder, might cause high CPU usage19:46
MohammadAGoh and titled* 3 sentences back19:46
DocScrutinizer~spank lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t19:46
* infobot bends lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t's pasty white buttocks.19:46
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anapospastosit's gst-video-thumb process that causing high cpu usage19:49
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anapospastosrebooted but the problem remains, oh:(19:51
DocScrutinizergst-video-thumb?? what a useless cruft is THAT?19:51
ruskiemakes video thumbnails for tracker!!!19:51
DocScrutinizerI hope that's not thumbnails of videos19:51
ruskieI hate indexers...19:51
MohammadAGthumbnails for the position you paused the video at19:52
ruskieeven better yeah19:52
MohammadAGeffectively, it has to play the second you were on, then take an image of that19:52
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* DocScrutinizer facepalms19:52
ruskielet's open... seek to time index... grab frame19:52
MohammadAG#define MAFW_METADATA_KEY_PAUSED_THUMBNAIL_URI   "paused-thumbnail-uri"19:52
MohammadAGURI pointing to the thumbnail of the frame where video was paused. Its value is a string.19:52
MohammadAGworking with mafw taught me a lot19:53
Venemo_N900MohammadAG :)19:53
anapospastoswhere else I can find thumbs?19:53
Proteousthe morgue?19:54
MohammadAGeach album in MyDocs19:54
Venemo_N900Proteous: lol19:54
Proteousbelive me, they aren't cheap19:54
anapospastosI ve erased them all (the albums)19:55
MohammadAG./.mediaartlocal/ in each folder with mediaart/music with media art19:55
DocScrutinizerPLEASE kill that with fire19:55
MohammadAGdid you erase the hidden folder? if there was one...19:55
MohammadAGoh right, and when a song has embedded album art, it's copied to /tmp then a URI is sent over DBus19:55
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MohammadAGdoes S360 ring a bell for anyone?19:56
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MohammadAGit's in the stock player's gconf schema19:56
ruskieMohammadAG, erm? some vodafone LiMo phone?19:57
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Venemo_N900it will definitely ring a bell for google19:58
anapospastosI deleted ./.mediaartlocal/ folders too19:59
MohammadAGnot for the stock player :P19:59
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anapospastosif I flash with vanilla it probably will be solved right?20:07
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MohammadAGthe eMMC image? yes20:09
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DocScrutinizerisn't S360 a Siemens big iron?20:13
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DocScrutinizeroops, IBM S/36020:14
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anapospastosand how do I know that it wont appear again? I dont know probably..20:22
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DocScrutinizeryou know. There's hardly anything left over when flasshing eMMC (plus inevitably rootfs/COMBINED)20:25
Venemo_N900hardly anything?20:26
Venemo_N900I thought nothing20:26
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anapospastosI mean if it will be reproduced20:26
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MohammadAGVenemo_N900, kernels logs remain on the MTD blocks :p20:42
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* pupnik pokes21:23
pupnikwoohoo daimonin client perfectly scaled at 800x48021:24
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pupnikwow blackberry doing well in uk21:26
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pupnikwonder if those numbers are real21:26
wmaronethat japan statistic is BS21:27
Sc0rpiusthey are21:28
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Sc0rpiusI don't know about Japan21:29
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Sc0rpiusbut look at Canada, that can't be real21:29
wmaroneonly one carrier in Japan offers the iPhone, Softbank21:29
pupnikmaybe it was a survey?21:30
wmaronethis is selective data, and not enough information is at hand to determine what the selection was21:30
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sp3000well it does state the data source21:31
sp3000which is a generic website stats thing21:31
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Sc0rpiusbut I think Apple was given more than it really has21:32
sp3000which will have interesting bias in various ways21:32
sp3000which makes it an interesting graphic, but the title seems a fair bit off21:33
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sp3000heh, maemo browser has 4-5% in finland there ;)21:38
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sp3000(in mobile browsers.)21:40
pupnikcheck out daimonin client rescaled
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RST38hMoo all21:47
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Sc0rpiuspupnik, that looks like fun21:52
Sc0rpiusit's an online RPG game?21:52
ruskiesomething like that21:53
pupnikyes it needs a new gen of players21:54
MohammadAGchem|st, you might wanna deal with this
Sc0rpiusif  that sak500 "jumped ship" why is he still bothers to post21:56
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VenemoSc0rpius, many guys who don't care about Maemo at all go to and TMO "for the lulz"22:09
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pupnikSc0rpius: yeah it's got very small font though, so i don't know how playable it will be on n90022:11
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pupnikof course a heavy UI rewrite for more modal menus is possible but who has the time22:12
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DocScrutinizermeh, reggie been too fast, I missed all the lulz22:20
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meceanyone know where I can get my filthy mittens on xulrunner-dev for maemo5 arm?22:21
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mdnneohi all, i got a question on g_ether i could start it through modprobe g_ether and conigure through ipconfigure usb0 .... up22:28
mdnneoif i then try to ping the io given in ifcofigure nothing happens22:29
mdnneosorry not io .. ip22:29
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pupnikpinging the interface from the n900?22:31
mdnneoyes ... so to say. i just want to ping myself. shouldnt this be possible?22:32
pupniki guess you could check your route with route -n22:32
pupnikare you root?22:32
mdnneoyes im root22:32
pupniki don't recall what it needs22:34
pupniki think there was something in modprobe.d22:34
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mdnneois their an other way to check if my g_ether work propperly? my problem is if i attach my device to my pc (with win7) it didnt find a propper driver (i tryed with the linux.inf rndis driver) but it always says unknown device22:38
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DocScrutinizererr, you need a local IP for the NIC, and a IP for the 'other end', and you need a proper default gateway in route22:39
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mdnneowow ... can you maybe give some more details im pretty new to all this stuff. i just tried the same in my ubuntu virtualbox (with modprobe g_ether and ifconfig and there i can ping "myself"22:42
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mdnneoso i thought pinging my self were a first good test22:43
DocScrutinizerwell, seems yur maemo side is ok then. Sorry I got no idea whatsoever about Windows22:43
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DocScrutinizerping "yourself" means? I hope you ping the N900 from PC (or vice versa)22:44
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mdnneono i try to ping th n900 from itself22:45
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vista_flasherHello everyone, im trying to flash my N900 but having some problems. Im running vista, and when typing in the .bin file it responds with "....ARM.bin: %m", so it finds the device but its not able to flash. any suggestions are welcome! :)22:48
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pupnikcan't find my cable mdnneo sorry22:49
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pupnikmdnneo: did you see this?
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pupnikhi vista_flasher please link to the instructions you are following22:50
andre__vista_flasher, which exact full command to you use for flashing?22:50
vista_flasherThanks for the fast response! These are the instructions im following:
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vista_flasherTried googling for the %m but didnt come up with anything... do you think flashing the eMMC will solve my problem?22:52
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pupniki have no experience with that windows flasher22:55
Proteouspupniks stock answer22:56
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pupnikProteous: feel free to help22:56
ProteousIt's been a while since I've flashed my n90022:57
pupnikperhaps the file you downloaded is wrong vista_flasher -- what is the file size?22:57
pupnikcheck against the size listed on the download page22:58
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Proteousare you using 32 or 64bit vista?22:58
andre__ post 13 and further seems to be the same issue (%m)23:00
vista_flasherim using 32bit vista23:00
pupniki would be so lost without grep23:01
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vista_flasherthe filesize is ok23:02
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vista_flasherstill error msg: "C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_P R_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009)  RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: %m"23:07
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vista_flasherChecked the documentation but cant find anything on "%m", would help if I knew what it ment :)23:09
mdnneook thanks for your help so far ... will check some things and come back =) .. cya23:10
pupnikwhy is there a space between P and R vista_flasher ?23:11
vista_flasherbecause the window breaked there23:12
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vista_flasherohh is that what they ment that it cant handle the spaces, should try putting it in C: instead :D23:13
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pupnikputting spaces in filenames is just one evil thing microsoft started23:14
wmaronenonsense, you've been able to do it on *nix and MacOS back when Windows was still limited to 8.323:15
wmaronenever mind that people will do it anyway23:15
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vista_flasherstill no luck,  still that %m showing up...23:19
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zanberdoinstalled firefox 4 on my n900. would like to enable flash, but the add-on flash enable does not work with this version. is there another way to enable flash for ff 4 or should I just skip it?23:23
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kerioi'd skip firefox23:23
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DocScrutinizervista_flasher: check for *full* p:ath/filename to the file to flash. Use tab completion23:24
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vista_flasherDocScrutinizer, you were right, I did mispell the flashfile23:27
vista_flasheris it normal for it to just take 33 seconds? ...23:28
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vista_flasherlol it got bricked during flash :o23:29
SpeedEvilIt will take several minutes to boot first time agter flash23:30
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vista_flasheri will have to flash eMMC23:30
vista_flasherdoing it on another computer this, this one sux. darn vista.........23:31
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