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| Macer | ShadowJK: i thought a 510 was still 32bit | 00:04 |
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| Macer | 1.6GHz netbooks from dell are still 279 | 00:05 |
| Macer | and it comes with all this win7 crap i would never use | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | N510 is 1.5GHz dualcore (4 virtual cpus in total) | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | Macer: so? | 00:05 |
| Macer | the inspirion duo netbook/tablet thing looks neet.. but runs win7 | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | Macer: win7 on it makes it cheaper | 00:06 |
| sq-one | which version of the Ovi Maps do I need for the n900? im running maemo 5. | 00:06 |
| Macer | heh | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | Macer: it's subsidized by companies that pay to install demo versions of their software | 00:06 |
| Macer | does it? | 00:06 |
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| Macer | yuck | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | Macer: so in fact you get windows for free | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | sq-one, it doesn't matter because you can't install or upgrade the included one | 00:06 |
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| sq-one | ShadowJK: hmm im trying to download the map files and store them in /home/user/cities/diskcache. | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 00:10 |
| jacekowski | sq-one: use ovi suite | 00:11 |
| sq-one | I downloaded the map files for version 3.0.6 and copied them into that folder. When I know start this map application it just quits during the startup | 00:11 |
| Macer | jacekowski: i would rather not get it for free and install kubuntu on it :) | 00:11 |
| sq-one | im running linux | 00:11 |
| Macer | but either way. they are selling single core atoms for 279 still | 00:11 |
| Macer | netbooks should be comign down in price :) | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | Macer: you can get it like it is and install kubuntu on it | 00:12 |
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| Macer | jacekowski: i would rather get it for what it is really worth and install kubuntu on a barebones one ;) | 00:12 |
| Macer | let me see how much i can find one for | 00:12 |
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| jacekowski | it would cost you at best same possibly more | 00:14 |
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| compengi | is maemo's destiny still undecided? i keep reading blogs, posts, wikis and the more i read the more i get confused. is everything actually that unclear from nokia's development side? they seem to support meego along with intel. the last i've read, is that meego is set to be a developer version on n900, great! what's the end product?! | 00:31 |
| alterego | compengi: it's decidedly dead, what's the confusion? | 00:32 |
| alterego | Be sure to check dates of blog posts too :P | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | congrats to the new council | 00:32 |
| compengi | :/ | 00:33 |
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| Macer | jacekowski: heh. i am just saying they are overpriced | 00:40 |
| Macer | they are not following normal marketing rules | 00:40 |
| Macer | the hardware is dated and not reducing | 00:41 |
| Macer | in price :) | 00:41 |
| Macer | i mean cmon. it has been years since netbooks came out and a dell single core 1.6GHz atom for 279? | 00:41 |
| Macer | i will look around to see if i can get something else that doesn't suck heh | 00:41 |
| Macer | i wanted a netbook but those dells sure in hell aren't worth it | 00:42 |
| compengi | alterego, so Meego is the future on n900? | 00:44 |
| GAN900 | compengi, we don't know yet. | 00:48 |
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| compengi | why nokia drops it's support for an OS it has put an effort and money on it? isn't that a waste of time and money? what kind of marketing business are they running, self-destructive? why other companies like apple, google, windows etc.. take 1 project and work on it till the end and nokia fails? | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | The hope when the decision was made is basically it'll result in more profit later. | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I question this. | 00:50 |
| Sc0rpius | Meego is dead | 00:51 |
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| pupnik | n900 is so awesome | 00:52 |
| * alterego sighs | 00:52 | |
| Sc0rpius | it is, but only if it's running Maemo | 00:52 |
| alterego | At least we have MeeGo .. | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, any progress on tree view mode's MR? :) | 00:52 |
| pupnik | gemrb is nearing a new release | 00:52 |
| compengi | SpeedEvil, Yeah.. Exactly! I don't know where they stand and what they are doing.. Look at other companies like Google, they bring something and keep that up. That's why everybody wants to have it on their smart phones, but everybody maybe knows Nokia i guess.. | 00:53 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm well yeah I was merging with my master branch and also preparing to request the modifications of tinymail first | 00:53 |
| Macer | wtf happened to dell laptops | 00:53 |
| Sc0rpius | since it won't run without that | 00:53 |
| Sc0rpius | well it will run, but it will crash heh | 00:53 |
| Macer | the xps laptops used t obe almost as awesome as old thinkpads | 00:53 |
| Macer | now they are cheap made in china trash | 00:53 |
| compengi | SpeedEvil, They keep using this outdated Symbian OS that's have been on the phones since the early 90's :/ | 00:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 00:56 |
| compengi | They don't like to compete I guess | 00:56 |
| pupnik | you complain about nokia not sticking with an operating system | 00:56 |
| pupnik | then you complain about nokia sticking with an operating system | 00:56 |
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| compengi | pupnik, no, i complain about nokia not willing to support it's newest os for something outdated | 00:59 |
| pupnik | how do you know symbian is outdated? | 00:59 |
| compengi | because it never tried to compete with the newest smart phones and yet they still use it | 01:00 |
| compengi | and try to modify it and bring multi-touch in it lol | 01:01 |
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| pupnik | have you used the N8? | 01:03 |
| compengi | instead of working really on something worth it | 01:03 |
| compengi | it's still not out afaik | 01:03 |
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| MohammadAG | o_O | 01:04 |
| pupnik | aside from some stability issues it seems like a functional, contemporary phone OS | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | The N8's been out since like September | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | or before that | 01:04 |
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| pupnik | still nothing beats maemo | 01:12 |
| compengi | pupnik, i totally agree with you. that's why i'm pissed off | 01:12 |
| pupnik | mhm me too | 01:13 |
| pupnik | nokia still can deliver a meego/maemo phone and license the accelerated dalvik vm for it | 01:13 |
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| pupnik | so we get our true linux stuff and people who want google services and other online services can get that from android | 01:14 |
| pupnik | make a bigger version of the e7 | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | With a licenced copy of the useful libs for wine-7 | 01:16 |
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| Venemo | if there are Star Trek and/or Star Wars fans here, enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4 | 01:18 |
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| ZogG | woke up of bad dream | 01:25 |
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| ZogG | Venemo, btw i have a question | 01:25 |
| Venemo | yea ZogG, I'm listening | 01:25 |
| ZogG | Venemo if there are 2 databases | 01:26 |
| ZogG | how do yo do syncing | 01:26 |
| ZogG | i mean you can up one to eachother and so on | 01:26 |
| ZogG | but how you updtae only needed parts | 01:26 |
| ZogG | theoretriclly | 01:26 |
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| ZogG | you track of last update or how? | 01:26 |
| Venemo | ZogG, depends on the situation | 01:27 |
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| ZogG | Venemo ? | 01:27 |
| Venemo | ZogG, so you want to synchronize two different databases, storing what? | 01:28 |
| ZogG | yes | 01:28 |
| Venemo | ZogG, storing what? | 01:28 |
| ZogG | storying abything | 01:28 |
| ZogG | notes | 01:28 |
| Venemo | okay, but do you mean the same kind of data? | 01:28 |
| ZogG | calendar e g | 01:29 |
| Venemo | mhm | 01:29 |
| Venemo | well, it's easy. | 01:29 |
| ZogG | ok | 01:29 |
| ZogG | how do i do that? | 01:29 |
| Venemo | remember the state of the db at the time of the last sync | 01:29 |
| ZogG | why does it make it simple | 01:29 |
| Venemo | then, see 1) what's been added and add those to the other 2) see what's been deleted and delete it from the other | 01:29 |
| ZogG | both of them can be changed | 01:29 |
| Venemo | 3) repeat 1) and 2) for the other database | 01:30 |
| ZogG | it is too heavy | 01:30 |
| ZogG | i mean it would take a lot of data and more time =) | 01:30 |
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| ZogG | i would look in existing examples i think | 01:31 |
| ZogG | libreoffice builds too long | 01:31 |
| ZogG | going back to sleep | 01:31 |
| Venemo | then there is the other idea. simply iterate through the databases and generate a difference | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | see how diff / patch is working ;-) | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | you go a common parent, two versions A and B that have arbitrary changes against parent, and you merge those diffs into a new child common version, handling conflicts where both A nd B have conflicting changes on the same records | 01:35 |
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| compengi | pupnik, i'm very sad too. | 01:36 |
| Termana | good morning | 01:36 |
| compengi | btw is nokia, intel and linux foundation financing meego or it's just community open source support? | 01:37 |
| pupnik | the first | 01:37 |
| compengi | pupnik, very nice, i hope it's gonna be for the best. btw, i'm trying very hard to be optimistic | 01:38 |
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| MohammadAG | morning Termana | 01:39 |
| compengi | pupnik, do you know as well if n900 will be fully supported? | 01:39 |
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| pupnik | compengi: i think n900 is a bit low on memory for it | 01:45 |
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| compengi | pupnik, i don't own a micro sd hc card, so i haven't tried it yet | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | compengi: minus Nokia, for practical purposes | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | compengi: Nokia is moving to Windows-only | 01:50 |
| pupnik | that sucks so much | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | compengi: MicroSDHC has nothing to do with memory | 01:50 |
| pupnik | i've got a major psychotic hatred of microsoft again | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | lol | 01:50 |
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| compengi | luke-jr, i didn't try meego because i lack sdhc card | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | o | 01:51 |
| compengi | :) | 01:51 |
| compengi | indeed.. it sucks alot | 01:52 |
| lcuk | "a lot" | 01:52 |
| nox- | indeed | 01:52 |
| nox- | oh i meant ms actually :) | 01:53 |
| Macer | damn | 01:53 |
| Macer | my spidey sense is tingling on getting an alienware m11 | 01:53 |
| Macer | what a little beast | 01:53 |
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| Termana | Macer, I thought you might get some activity on your extraterrestrial beacon detector rather than spidey sense for Alienware | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm - Dell ate them. | 01:56 |
| compengi | http://tinyurl.com/6edp882 lol what?! | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | compengi: please don't post uncommented random URLs | 01:59 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, ok | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | compengi: esp don't post tinyurl, as it doesn't give a friggin clue ehat the original site is all about | 01:59 |
| compengi | should i use full url? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually yes | 02:00 |
| compengi | okay :) | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Mmmm. Extraterrestrial bacon. | 02:00 |
| Termana | compengi's link is a Nokia 32GB SD card thats $156 dollars. | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as it's not like 755 chars | 02:00 |
| compengi | Termana, yeah.. is that normal? | 02:02 |
| compengi | :D | 02:02 |
| Termana | compengi, depending on what class it is | 02:03 |
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| Termana | Seems about right, but I haven't brought a 32GB microsd card in a while | 02:04 |
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| tank-man | wow, such prices | 02:07 |
| tank-man | a 16GB regular SDHC card is $20 | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | 32 is more | 02:07 |
| tank-man | yea, only 2x the capacity but more than 2x the price | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Looking on ebay, about $65 | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | which seems about right | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | higher cap is harder tomake | 02:08 |
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| tank-man | lol ... im imagining you as a apple iphone user that has the 32GB version and trying to justify the price | 02:09 |
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| tank-man | "its harder to make" | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It is. | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | The individual chips that go into making the 32G SD are newer tech. | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | They laminate 9 or so chips on top of each other. | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | is pratchett.freenode.net particularly laggy? | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | And bond them all together. And stick them inside a microSD | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | you are pinging a bit slowly. | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, slowly like 30s RTT? | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | naah - 1s | 02:12 |
| Termana | laggy as in, when I ping it, it gives no response | 02:12 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, i have you on 0.27 second(s) | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - variable. | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | 0-3s | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | packet loss? | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | donno, something fishy. sometimes lags of 10..30s, most of time 72ms | 02:13 |
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| Termana | Channel operators, users in disguise | 02:15 |
| Termana | Do you also deop when I say "Autobots fall in"? | 02:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/03/19/2241226/Apples-App-Store-Accepts-Gay-Cure-App | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Funny on so many levels. | 02:18 |
| pupnik | lol | 02:21 |
| Venemo | lol SpeedEvil | 02:22 |
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| compengi | lol | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* bbl | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 03:17 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee | 03:17 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I've found the Maemo kernels to be annoyingly broken | 03:47 |
| luke-jr | with regard to networking | 03:47 |
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| UcefKH | helloooooooooooooo | 04:15 |
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| sleepee_ | question: is it normal for the n900 battery to only last a few hours after moderate use? | 04:18 |
| luke-jr | sleepee_: depends on 'moderate' | 04:18 |
| sleepee_ | a few hours as in 5-8 hours | 04:18 |
| luke-jr | if you had it online, sure | 04:18 |
| sleepee_ | well yea... i was browsing the web some... and i had im accounts online... and i think my email syncs every 30 mins or so.. | 04:19 |
| sleepee_ | and i had bluetooth on.. | 04:19 |
| luke-jr | lol | 04:19 |
| luke-jr | definitely | 04:19 |
| sleepee_ | lol.. | 04:19 |
| luke-jr | you're lucky it lasted 5-8 | 04:19 |
| luke-jr | that ain't moderate | 04:19 |
| luke-jr | it's heavy | 04:20 |
| sleepee_ | really?? my friend has an iphone and his battery lasts a lot longer... | 04:20 |
| sleepee_ | and he's always online, constantly talking, cehcking facebook... | 04:21 |
| sleepee_ | hmm.... oh well.. guess i'll have to buy a car charger | 04:21 |
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| GAN900 | sleepee_, iPhone cheats. | 04:45 |
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| GAN900 | Doesn't have real multitasking | 04:45 |
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| sleepee_ | GAN900: good point | 05:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | battle won, enemy (13 1.5mm^2 install wires, a switch, a mount cup for gypsum) buried. Now for hospital, curing my fingers ;-P | 07:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, not even 2h to wait for a few answers | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: luke-jr: how about a 0900-number for answering questions like sleepee's in realtime? ;-D | 07:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: (network problems) it's been my router, and I'm scared about what wireshark showed me my laptop is doing on DNS | 07:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ;; QUESTION SECTION:; preferences.settings.desktop IN ANY | 07:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DNS-Answer_server-error;; // ICMP ->DNS port not reachable | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | something's *severely* fsckd up on this KDE Suse | 07:17 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:27 |
| korhojoa | morning. | 10:28 |
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| MohammadAG | reduced foss mediaplayer's usage by 4MBs :) | 10:43 |
| MohammadAG | RAM usage that is | 10:43 |
| RST38h | http://www.theonion.com/articles/microsoft-word-now-includes-squiggly-blue-line-to,19739/ | 10:49 |
| RST38h | Hello, human | 10:50 |
| RST38h | s | 10:50 |
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| flux | rst38h, should also have the same for too long sentences | 11:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi earthlings | 11:32 |
| alterego | good moaning | 11:34 |
| aslkdjsa84 | I have just gotten a NOKIA N900 and I cannot send emails via WLAN, it always says, "ERROR". But sending them via GPRS works all fine. How can I fix it to be able to send mails per wlan? | 11:34 |
| Termana_ | DocScrutinizer, autobots fall out | 11:35 |
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| frals | aslkdjsa84: configure connection specific smtp-servers? | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | what fallout? | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | autobot creates radioactive fallout now? | 11:36 |
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| alterego | Gt | 11:36 |
| alterego | Termana: it's "autobots roll out" :P | 11:37 |
| Termana | alterego, ah :D | 11:37 |
| Termana | Explains everything :p | 11:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer lifts eyebrow | 11:38 | |
| aslkdjsa84 | frals how would the connection-specific settings for wlan be different to those for GPRS? | 11:39 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: Transformers | 11:39 |
| frals | i assume that you have configured a smtpserver for GPRS which only allows subscribers to the network to send email and hence it fails when you try to use the same one from your wlan | 11:40 |
| alterego | aslkdjsa84: different network, different ip, you could be blocked on the wlan but not on gprs | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer | 11:40 |
| Termana | ha ha | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually doubt I got more than one or two of them. Kinda obsolete technology | 11:41 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I said Transformers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers | 11:41 |
| * alterego chuckles | 11:41 | |
| Termana | alterego, I think he understood that, just gaming with his troll face | 11:42 |
| Termana | :p | 11:42 |
| alterego | Termana: I know, but I wanted to play along :P | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm gaming with my old face | 11:42 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: people should still know about them though, they're a very good simple elctronic component that would be useful to build should most of society die in a massive extinction event | 11:43 |
| RST38h | alterego: sure about it? | 11:43 |
| alterego | About what? | 11:44 |
| Termana | alterego, great for the power poles as well | 11:44 |
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| Termana | :D | 11:44 |
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| RST38h | alterego: about people needing to know about transformers | 11:46 |
| RST38h | One the other hand, if they don't have transformers, how will they torture each other with electricity? | 11:46 |
| ruskie | hehe | 11:47 |
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| Termana | Speaking of electricity torture, I have a story with some shocking results | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: van-der-graaf | 11:49 |
| alterego | Heh | 11:49 |
| Termana | I was asked to do some scientific testing for a company, they filled up a pool and they wanted me to jump in and let them dunk a plugged in toaster in, all safe they said. | 11:50 |
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| Termana | So I decided I would do it | 11:50 |
| Termana | Signed the indemnity forms | 11:50 |
| Termana | Got there, pumped myself up | 11:50 |
| Termana | Opened the door | 11:50 |
| Termana | Got on the floor | 11:51 |
| Termana | Everybody walk the dinosaur | 11:51 |
| * alterego was just remembering the tazer seen in "The Hangover" | 11:51 | |
| alterego | "No, not you fat Jesus" | 11:51 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Oh, yesss | 11:55 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer - the band? | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Termana: heh, I almost forgot about the band | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, interesting | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG | mafw also creates gstreamer pipelines for videos | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG | I only have to set the window id | 12:00 |
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| MohammadAG | it can't be that esay | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG | easy* | 12:00 |
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| RST38h | Saddam 2.0 is on! | 12:01 |
| MohammadAG | where? where?! | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Lybia | 12:01 |
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| Termana | RST38h, Saddam didn't kill his OWN people though did he? | 12:02 |
| RST38h | He did | 12:03 |
| RST38h | Used chemic | 12:03 |
| Termana | lovely | 12:03 |
| RST38h | al weapons on them even | 12:03 |
| Termana | What a beautiful world we live in, amiright? | 12:03 |
| RST38h | yes, an interesting one, although, sadly, very predictable | 12:03 |
| * RST38h checks if Lybia has got any oil and, yes, of course it has... | 12:04 | |
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| MohammadAG | oh, him | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | though I think Saddam was a bit more, umm, sane | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | anyway | 12:05 |
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| RST38h | yea, this one is abit more cartoonish | 12:06 |
| * MohammadAG wonders how to convert from int to ulong | 12:06 | |
| MohammadAG | whatever ulong is | 12:06 |
| RST38h | (unsigned long)x | 12:07 |
| RST38h | or (ulong)x if you wish | 12:07 |
| MohammadAG | x is? | 12:07 |
| RST38h | ulong is your standard int, sans the sign | 12:07 |
| RST38h | x is your int | 12:07 |
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| pupnik | europeans bombarding tripoli | 12:15 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEVnBtZT0nE | 12:15 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines frenchmen being launched by mangonel. | 12:16 | |
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| RST38h | Speed: right now, it sounds more like Americans are doing most bombardment | 12:18 |
| pupnik | amazing how every word on the tv casts the events in the language of propaganda | 12:19 |
| RST38h | dunno, I am reading Russian news | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: wtf, is that a music videoclip or what? | 12:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that's ridiculous | 12:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | fsckng clown with a sharp axe. And of course you know he forced his own citicens into the radar stations so either they won't get taken out or he can show the corpses. And of course he wouldn't even hesitate to shoot a hospital with own atillery then claim it's been the UN alliance | 12:25 |
| pupnik | http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/what-would-you-do-if-rebels-attacked-us-cities-gaddafi-asks-obama/story-e6frfku0-1226024683575 What would you do if rebels attacked US cities, Gaddafi asks Obama | 12:26 |
| pupnik | they are all murderers | 12:26 |
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| RST38h | Doc: You won't argue that actions by all sides provide for a mildly amusing circus performance, though? | 12:28 |
| RST38h | A bit macabre, but such is life | 12:29 |
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| pupnik | yea | 12:32 |
| pupnik | it's not their own money | 12:32 |
| nszeek | Hey guys, I am having the n900 "operation failed" problem with the camera. Can anyone help me out ? There's a thread on maemo talk explaining what's going on here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=971106#post971106 (long story short: flashing doesn't help) | 12:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | It helped for me. | 12:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I know that's not helpful. | 12:33 |
| pupnik | maybe he could actually flash | 12:34 |
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| nszeek | I did flash the device, with the current AMR release and I also did a eMMC flash with the VANILLA one | 12:35 |
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| rootstock | Hello world | 12:36 |
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| rootstock | neuer n900 benutzer, bedankt sich der comunity. unglaubliches telefon. netter tag allen zusammen. | 12:41 |
| rootstock | new n900 user, thanks to the comunity. incredible phone. nice day all together. | 12:41 |
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| pupnik | gooten tag rootstock | 12:44 |
| pupnik | it's not a phone, it's a FM radio! | 12:44 |
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| OkropNick | how to check in terminal if it's there phone / skype / sip call right now? | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OkropNick: ? | 13:04 |
| OkropNick | I need a functionality to execute script, but not during phone / skype / sip conversation | 13:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 13:06 |
| OkropNick | :) | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | interesting problem | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | for sure monitoring dbus could provide info about state, but might be awkward | 13:09 |
| alterego | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMiMGOg53Ec&feature=player_embedded#at=26 | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: wats that? | 13:10 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/phone-maker-publicly-says-%E2%80%98no%E2%80%99-wp7 oh no! | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | (zte says 'meh' to windows phone) | 13:12 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: it's a visualisation of the history of gstreamer development over hte past 10 years | 13:13 |
| alterego | In 5 minutes. | 13:13 |
| alterego | It's quite neat :) | 13:13 |
| Venemo | alterego, nice effect | 13:13 |
| alterego | Carsten posted it in meego-dev, thought people here might like a look. | 13:14 |
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| alterego | Erm, #meego-arm .. | 13:14 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: ZTE makes cheapo phones, of course they will not pay MS license fees | 13:15 |
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| RST38h | (+ WP7 is pretty sad piece of sw, of course] | 13:15 |
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| pupnik | light a candle | 13:17 |
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| Venemo | RST38h, WP7 is not sad at all. it is just dumb. | 13:17 |
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| RST38h | ...Heavy explosives were used to separate individuals from the swarm. Individuals were either pulverized or propelled beyond the 50 meter area of effect. After reduction of the swarm by at least 40%, individuals began to retaliate, propelling themselves at MTF members. | 13:21 |
| RST38h | Venemo: you can call it this way as well | 13:22 |
| RST38h | But a couple of WP7 phones displayed within a bunch of identically looking Android phones look really really sad | 13:23 |
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| pupnik | ad-supported angry birds on android earns Rovio £600,000 monthly | 14:32 |
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| alterego | Sweet | 14:39 |
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| e-yes | is suppose it's wastage of money (for advertisers) | 14:41 |
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| pupnik | In december they introduced the 'Mighty Eagle' - a bird you can download for £0.89 to clear a level. Sold 2,000,000 times. | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | grr, why is focus-in-event broken in Qt | 14:43 |
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| MohammadAG | WTF | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | 2m? | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | people are lazy | 14:44 |
| pupnik | yup | 14:44 |
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| pupnik | i like these Rovio guys :) | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, :) | 14:45 |
| pupnik | maybe someday they can buy nokia and kick out elop | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, windows, not text boxes :P | 14:45 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, is there much difference? | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, as a concept, no | 14:46 |
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| MohammadAG | it works in Venemo's puzzle master... | 14:47 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, that is because venemo is awesome | 14:49 |
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| MohammadAG | ffs can't figure out how to play videos with mafw :/ | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | actually, can't figure out if I need to make a gstreamer widget myself, or if mafw handles that | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | by looking at the code, it seems to be making once itself | 15:27 |
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| flashn_ | is there any apps for remote controlling boxee/xbmc with n900? | 16:02 |
| flashn_ | besides the web remote.. | 16:03 |
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| MohammadAG | is there a way to see which functions/methods are being called in an app | 17:10 |
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| villager | MohammadAG: how hard can making video with mafw be? can you point at the relevant mafw docs, I'll take a look? | 17:11 |
| villager | (can't take a very long look though since I'm supposed to be doing stuff) | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | villager, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/mafw/MafwRenderer.html#MAFW-PROPERTY-RENDERER-XID:CAPS | 17:13 |
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| villager | MohammadAG: the xid? do you have one? | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | basically, I'm not sure if that has to be a GstElement, or any window | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | yes, can easily get it with Qt | 17:14 |
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| villager | MohammadAG: well if it's an X id, it's for a X window... gst elements aren't windows... | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | villager, http://pastebin.com/60jGBeVU <-- mafw code handling what gets set | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | looking at that, there seems to be a valid gstreamer element (worker->vsink) | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | yet stringing the stock mediaplayer binary returns http://pastebin.com/HjELqpMN | 17:16 |
| villager | presumably the mafw renderer would create that sink, right? | 17:17 |
| villager | it just needs the window. What window do you have? | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, it is, but why is the stock player linked against gstreamer | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | I have the now playing window | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | requesting playObject(objectId) opens a window, closes it, then resumes old playback | 17:18 |
| villager | a window you're using for something else? that won't work | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | I have a widget inside that window | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | and each widget is backed by a window | 17:19 |
| villager | it must be a window with its own Expose handler (or whatever Qt calls it, perhaps paint or something) | 17:19 |
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| villager | basically a canvas-like widget | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | but the widget has a window ID | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | a unique one | 17:20 |
| villager | sure, but it can't just be *any* old widget it's the ID of | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | err, what? | 17:21 |
| villager | so if this is a widget, what kind of widget did you make it? | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | umm, a QWidget? | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | with this flag set Qt::WA_NativeWindow100Indicates that a native window is created for the widget. Enabling this flag will also force a native window for the widget's ancestors unless Qt::WA_DontCreateNativeAncestors is set. | 17:22 |
| villager | this mafw obviously wants to use a hardware video overlay to render the video, there are some requirements for that | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | the stock player does have _OMAP_VIDEO_OVERLAY(INTEGER) = 1 set on it | 17:24 |
| villager | MohammadAG: have you set this "autopaint" property on the mafw renderer? maybe that'll make it less work to fix the widget | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | villager, the stock player doesn't set it afaik | 17:25 |
| * MohammadAG checks | 17:25 | |
| villager | MohammadAG: no, but it does know how to make proper widgets, and it seems you don't | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | no, it isn't | 17:27 |
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| villager | MohammadAG: if the widget has an appropriate Expose handler, then it can do the painting itself... which I'd guess the media player would do, of course... but if mafw can do it itself with autopaint, maybe that's easier than figuring out how to do the paint yourself | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 17:30 |
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| MohammadAG | what's an Expose handler exactly? the X11 window ID? | 17:30 |
| villager | hmm, where's the api doc for mafw-gst-renderer | 17:31 |
| villager | it's the code that repaints the window... any window has one... for example, the Expose handler for a button would redraw the button | 17:31 |
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| MohammadAG | paintEvent() in Qt | 17:32 |
| villager | but in toolkits, only certain widget classes are supposed to have that overridden by the programmer... canvas-type widgets | 17:32 |
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| MohammadAG | well, it can easily be overriden | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | overridden* | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | and MafwRenderer's docs are the ones I pointed you to | 17:34 |
| villager | where's the api docs for MafwGstRenderer, I wonder? | 17:34 |
| villager | it ought to have something for that | 17:34 |
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| MohammadAG | umm, I linked you to MafwRenderer's docs, it's the same as MafwGstRenderer | 17:40 |
| villager | not really, MafwGstRenderer would be a subclass | 17:40 |
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| villager | it may have its own interfaces in addition to that | 17:41 |
| villager | well, found the code, guess it doesn't add much there | 17:42 |
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| villager | MohammadAG: what's important here is probably that when you set the xid property, the window must be already visible, and Qt must not ever draw on that window (in its own paint event handlers) after you've set the property | 17:48 |
| villager | unless you hook into gst directly | 17:48 |
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| villager | MohammadAG: a hardware overlay depends on the window to be painted with the correct color key... if Qt paints the window with a different color, it won't show anything | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | villager, it is already visible, already read that somewhere | 17:50 |
| villager | hmm, come to think of it, if you make your own paintEvent handler, you can probably read the mafw colorkey property and paint the window with that color | 17:51 |
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| villager | that should make repainting safe | 17:52 |
| villager | and you wouldn't have to turn on autopaint | 17:52 |
| villager | MohammadAG: you're not painting the widget at all right now, are you? | 17:53 |
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| villager | I'm guessing that's what media player does, then... | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | villager, no, I didn't override the paint event | 17:54 |
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| MohammadAG | it's a simple window with a simple QWidget, but the widgets are backed by windows | 17:54 |
| villager | MohammadAG: well, you need to fill that window with the colorkey somehow, otherwise it'll never show anything | 17:54 |
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| villager | the gstreamer sink has methods you can call from your own expose handler to make it do that for you (including some autopaint stuff), but builtin mediaplayer and mafw apparently prefers you to do it yourself and read the property to know what color | 17:56 |
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| MohammadAG | well, that explains the weird green-black colour in the stock player | 17:57 |
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| villager | that's how hardware overlays work... it's like the green-screen/blue-screen technique used in movies and tv, where there's a special color behind the actors, and then a computer overlays a virtual background onto pixels with that special color, and it looks like the actor is there | 17:59 |
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| zogg_ | Venemo, hey | 18:01 |
| zogg_ | would you mind if i PM? | 18:02 |
| villager | so hardware overlays, as used on n900, will only load the hardware-decoded video image onto pixels that have the special color | 18:02 |
| Venemo | zogg_, I wouldn't mind | 18:02 |
| villager | that allows you to put an UI "on top" which is not overwritten by the hardware overlay | 18:02 |
| villager | MohammadAG: get it? | 18:03 |
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| MohammadAG | villager, yes, but it still doesn't explain why 1) playObject() is making a new window, then destroying it and resuming playback, 2) the video isn't played at all | 18:05 |
| villager | MohammadAG: what do you mean by "resuming playback" if the video isn't played? | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | villager, playing an object means mafw will play that, then after it's stopped, the previous playlist resumes | 18:07 |
| villager | MohammadAG: so by resuming playback you mean it skips to next track? | 18:08 |
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| villager | MohammadAG: anyway I wouldn't know exactly what is going wrong without seeing a bit more complete code of what exactly you're doing | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | villager, basically, yes, or plays the one that was playing | 18:10 |
| ZogG | Elena, heeeey | 18:10 |
| ZogG | sup buddy | 18:10 |
| Elena | Hi, ZogG | 18:10 |
| ZogG | Elena, don't be shoked | 18:11 |
| Elena | /query Venemo | 18:11 |
| ZogG | cause MohammadAG can bite you | 18:11 |
| ZogG | he is dirty boy | 18:11 |
| ZogG | Elena fail | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | villager, sec | 18:11 |
| Elena | ok ;) | 18:11 |
| ZogG | with no space | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 18:11 |
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| villager | MohammadAG: from the mafw-gst code, it seems that should only happen if you did not set the xid property early enough | 18:12 |
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| MohammadAG | villager, http://pastebin.com/vDXinBUW | 18:13 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, when you poked around screenlock does it only displays unlock screen or black screen and other stuff is also releated to it? | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | you only need the last two methods | 18:13 |
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| MohammadAG | it's fired with a QTimer after 2s to be sure the window is visible before it's called | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | (of course, that'll change when I get it working) | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | villager, as for setWindowXid, it's here http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafwrendereradapter.cpp#line358 | 18:14 |
| villager | MohammadAG: what's isRendererReady? | 18:14 |
| villager | hmm guess that's in there too | 18:16 |
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| MohammadAG | villager, just checks if the renderer is null or not | 18:19 |
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| villager | MohammadAG: just in case, you've checked that the windowId you get isn't null, right? | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | villager, no, it's valid | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | 75497542 <-- at least it looks valid to me | 18:23 |
| simon` | Hi, sorry to create noise, but I am just trying this out (just trying out IRC.) Can anyone tell me if this is getting through? | 18:25 |
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| GAN900 | Yes. | 18:26 |
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| ZogG | simon`, i can't hear you, SPEAK LOUDER | 18:26 |
| alterego | simon`: if it appears on your screen it has gone to the server and been sent back :P | 18:27 |
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| simon` | Thanks all. Where can I find some information on how IRC works? | 18:28 |
| alterego | hrm, google? | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | simon`: Google IRC RFC | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/rfc.html | 18:31 |
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| simon` | right... | 18:33 |
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| GAN900 | We never got Bugzilla karma repaired, did we? | 18:33 |
| villager | alterego: not really, any regular text (as opposed to commands, like join) you write is not sent back by the server, it is echoed locally | 18:33 |
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| villager | MohammadAG: that mafwrenderer adapter should consider connecting the "error" signal as well, to see why it fails | 18:39 |
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| MohammadAG | villager, no errors | 18:51 |
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| villager | hmm, maybe something's failing fairly early | 18:56 |
| villager | MohammadAG: there's one thing I've been wondering... what is that Ui::VideoNowPlayingWindow in line 11? | 18:57 |
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| MohammadAG | villager, creates the UI widgets for the window | 19:01 |
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| villager | hmm, I think I might see the problem | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | the UI's done with Qt Designer, so the .ui file is converted to a header with the class Ui | 19:01 |
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| villager | the mafw dox says that the xid property is an ulong, which is what the adapter sets... but mafw-gst-renderer assumes it to be an uint... | 19:02 |
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| villager | not sure if glib is that strict about it or not | 19:03 |
| villager | it might be | 19:03 |
| GAN900 | I guess the repos are down? | 19:05 |
| villager | yeah, I had the glib sources around... it actually is that strict and will return 0 if the type mismatches, which of course gst will interpret as "no window" | 19:05 |
| villager | and thus try to create its own window | 19:05 |
| villager | not sure whether that would stop the video from playing though, hmm | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | should I try passing a uint? | 19:08 |
| villager | still, big problem... so the adapter needs to use uint instead of ulong to set the xid property, at least | 19:08 |
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| villager | yeah try that | 19:08 |
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| villager | hmm, yeah that would cause the video to stop | 19:11 |
| villager | since mafw doesn't like to have no xid | 19:11 |
| villager | but then there should have been something on the error signal... | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | actually monitoring dbus shows it is indeed uint32 | 19:12 |
| villager | this wouldn't go through dbus I think? | 19:13 |
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| MohammadAG | all mafw related stuff is done over dbus | 19:15 |
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| villager | weird stuff... | 19:18 |
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| MohammadAG | hey, that worked | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | didn't even have to add the colour part | 19:20 |
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| villager | well I guess it paints the colorkey itself on pipeline startup... but if other stuff happens like popup notifications, having a way to repaint might be needed, depending... | 19:22 |
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| MohammadAG | popups are blocked | 19:24 |
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| MohammadAG | that's what setDNDAtom's for | 19:24 |
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| villager | it's possible to override dnd, though... | 19:25 |
| villager | probably only very important stuff do that, of course | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | I think Battery low overrides it | 19:25 |
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| MohammadAG | http://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.guide.hildonwidgetui/html/node5.html | 19:26 |
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| villager | well, you can wait with the colorkey stuff until it appears to be needed, I guess | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | but yes, you're right | 19:27 |
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| MohammadAG | if anything's painted on top, the video disappears | 19:27 |
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| Macer | hello | 19:34 |
| alterego | Aloha | 19:34 |
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| compengi | did anyone try to use Avidemux to convert movies to n900 compatible files? | 19:37 |
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| Dorfmeister | Hi. I'm currently trying to install mBarcode on my N900, which used to be in Extras-Devel, but I don't seem to find it. Can anybody help me out? Thanks in advance. | 20:17 |
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| pupnik | hi Dorfmeister - does google help? | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | Dorfmeister, it should still be there | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mbarcode/ | 20:20 |
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| Dorfmeister | Hm.. | 20:21 |
| Dorfmeister | Ah, got it. Thank you very much. | 20:21 |
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| jacktheripper | is it possible to route mic into speakers on the N900 ? (or even better: into the FM transmitter, cause that's my aim :D) | 20:22 |
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| MohammadAG | jacktheripper, arecord | aplay | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | fyi, that's probably the worst way to do it | 20:27 |
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| jacktheripper | I was trying to run jackd earlier, but I get this: http://pastebin.com/nGUsVhfc Remains even after adding the entry both in /etc/limits.conf and /etc/security/limits.conf | 20:29 |
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| celesteh | Hello, I am wondering if there exists an OSC (open sound control) app for maemo that communicates with the accellerometers in the n900? | 20:33 |
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| villager | jacktheripper: mixing jackd with pulseaudio doesn't sound like a good idea | 20:35 |
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| jacktheripper | MohammadAG, arecord | aplay is a bit slow and noisy, but not too bad. | 20:37 |
| jacktheripper | villager, could I stop pulseaudio when I'm doing that ? | 20:37 |
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| zogg_ | wgho doesn't know who are those women? http://static.black-frames.net/images/zoey-deschanel-and-katy-perry.jpg | 20:40 |
| lcuk | celesteh, onedotzero | 20:40 |
| lcuk | the first user visible app for n900 uses both accelerometer and opensoundcontrol :) | 20:40 |
| RST38h | some clones | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | villager, what was your tip on making painting overlays not affect the video itself? | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | should I only set the colour? | 20:41 |
| villager | jacktheripper: wouldn't recommend bypassing pulseaudio unless you know what you're doing, since pulse is the only thing protecting your speakers from blowing out... what do you want jack for anyway? | 20:42 |
| zogg_ | noone gives a f =( | 20:42 |
| jacktheripper | villager, I'd have the FM transmitter turned on during that. I want my own personal radio station B-) | 20:42 |
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| villager | jacktheripper: well you won't need jack for that, just keep pulseaudio | 20:44 |
| villager | jacktheripper: I think there's a pulse command or plugin that can route sound directly from a source to a sink directly inside the daemon, which sounds like what you need | 20:47 |
| villager | jacktheripper: even better, maybe there's an amixer command to tell the hardware to do it | 20:48 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, you changed the Nokia logo in NOLO right? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71263 | 21:23 |
| jacekowski | no | 21:23 |
| jacekowski | i can remove it | 21:23 |
| jacekowski | and i know where it's stored | 21:23 |
| jacekowski | but i don't know what format is it | 21:24 |
| jacekowski | somebody suggested that it's qt pixmap | 21:24 |
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| MohammadAG | why would NOLO hold a Qt pixmap | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, got a copy of the logo? | 21:25 |
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| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/nolo/ | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | here | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | what's 1-3? | 21:27 |
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| jacekowski | NOKIA | 21:28 |
| jacekowski | usb logo | 21:28 |
| jacekowski | and and something | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | with a spanner | 21:29 |
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| MohammadAG | btw, no, it's not a Qt pixmap | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, 770 with spanner, R&D logo | 21:30 |
| jacekowski | http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1069&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1072&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1075&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | these are the pictures | 21:32 |
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| BCMM_ | why can't i see mobilehotspot in ham? | 21:44 |
| pupnik | let's check | 21:44 |
| pupnik | hmm it says it needs kernel-power | 21:45 |
| pupnik | amazing, we have imagemagick on n900 | 21:45 |
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| zogg_ | BCMM, cause your ham is not tasty | 21:45 |
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| pupnik | i LOVE having 'locate' on n900 | 21:48 |
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| zogg_ | pupnik, HOW? | 21:48 |
| zogg_ | how did you do it? | 21:48 |
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| pupnik | ? package is in repo | 21:49 |
| pupnik | it's just slightly broken :D | 21:49 |
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| zogg_ | which one? | 21:49 |
| zogg_ | locate? | 21:49 |
| pupnik | yes | 21:49 |
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| pupnik | the executeable is dumped in something like /usr/gnu or /usr/bin/gnu or something | 21:50 |
| pupnik | so i moved those files into the path | 21:50 |
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| zogg_ | pupnik tha's why i have it but it doesn't work | 21:50 |
| zogg_ | you linked it? | 21:50 |
| pupnik | nah just mv | 21:50 |
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| zogg_ | ok i'll search locate with find =) | 21:50 |
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| pupnik | haha | 21:50 |
| zogg_ | but you should share on TMO | 21:50 |
| khorben_ | TMO? | 21:50 |
| pupnik | just needs a little fix :( | 21:51 |
| zogg_ | khorben_, TMO!!! | 21:51 |
| khorben_ | I'm new to maemo development :/ | 21:51 |
| pupnik | talk.maemo.org | 21:51 |
| zogg_ | khorben_, first thing you need to learn TMO | 21:51 |
| zogg_ | pupnik, tell him | 21:51 |
| khorben_ | doing that | 21:51 |
| zogg_ | pupnik, why idd you ruin it? | 21:52 |
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| khorben_ | ah a forum? | 21:52 |
| pupnik | euh? | 21:53 |
| pupnik | i didn't ruin it | 21:53 |
| pupnik | it's the maemo forum khorben_ | 21:54 |
| khorben_ | we don't likes forumzzzzz (j/k, good to know) | 21:54 |
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| pupnik | i haven't been good at following the forums since n900 release | 21:55 |
| pupnik | so many newbs | 21:55 |
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| zogg_ | pupnik, you ruined everything | 21:56 |
| pupnik | locate works great | 21:56 |
| zogg_ | khorben_ now hates you | 21:56 |
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| alterego | QML ScrollIndicator which auto-hides and only shows when you're interacting with the flickable _and_ when the content exceeds the flickables viewable area: http://pastie.org/1693510 | 21:59 |
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| Macer | pupnik: i'm sure they are all gone :) | 22:02 |
| Macer | considering they probably threw their n900s into walls after nokia totally screwed up a wet dream | 22:02 |
| pupnik | Macer: yeah that's kind of a benefit to this whole 'maemo is dead' thing | 22:02 |
| pupnik | hahah | 22:02 |
| Macer | hahaha | 22:02 |
| Macer | fair point ;) | 22:02 |
| pupnik | have you seen Kotczarny's "osc"? | 22:03 |
| pupnik | playing with it right now... it's real fun | 22:03 |
| Macer | when are they goign to close down maemo.org? | 22:03 |
| pupnik | oscilloscope visualizations | 22:03 |
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| Macer | i would guess that someone does not want to host it anymore :) | 22:03 |
| pupnik | never | 22:03 |
| Macer | never? | 22:03 |
| Macer | you think? | 22:03 |
| Macer | i give it a year or two :) | 22:03 |
| Macer | before they move it all to meego.org heh | 22:03 |
| Macer | doesn't nokia host maemo.org? | 22:04 |
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| Venemo | Macer, that's correct | 22:12 |
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| zogg_ | Venemo why do you need to alwasy lie man? | 22:13 |
| zogg_ | Macer, don't listen to his lies =) | 22:13 |
| Venemo | zogg_, wut? | 22:16 |
| zogg_ | ) | 22:16 |
| * zogg_ is bored | 22:17 | |
| Venemo | I see. | 22:17 |
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| Macer | zogg_: haha | 22:22 |
| Macer | i've been playing with kubuntu for a while | 22:22 |
| Macer | wow it is nice :) | 22:22 |
| zogg_ | Macer, just be carefull, venemo is the dark side of maemo community | 22:22 |
| Macer | qt can make some pretty stuff.. makes me wonder if i will ever see it on my n900 haha | 22:22 |
| Macer | zogg_: there is no light side to it ;) | 22:22 |
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| Macer | only levels of darkness | 22:23 |
| zogg_ | i don't like kubuntu | 22:23 |
| zogg_ | and kde | 22:23 |
| Venemo | zogg_, please stop this. I AM the LIGHT side of the Maemo Community. | 22:23 |
| zogg_ | i didn't liked Qt as i didn't realize kde is not Qt | 22:23 |
| Venemo | zogg_, I don't like ubuntu or kde either. that's why I use Fedora with Gnome | 22:23 |
| zogg_ | Qt is Qt and KDE is just using KDE | 22:23 |
| Macer | zogg_: heh. well. i do .. i think kde is the best thing linux has to offer as far as a desktop | 22:23 |
| Macer | gnome reminds me of symbian | 22:23 |
| Macer | something that has been around way too long and just doesn't know when to die | 22:23 |
| Macer | :) | 22:24 |
| zogg_ | Macer haha | 22:24 |
| zogg_ | lovely | 22:24 |
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| Venemo | what do you think about Gnome 3, Macer | 22:24 |
| zogg_ | but so not true | 22:24 |
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| Macer | Venemo: honestly haven't tried it | 22:24 |
| Macer | but i am sure if it is still gtk2 based then it has the same oldish look to it | 22:24 |
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| zogg_ | what do you think about xfce4, *box, e17? | 22:24 |
| zogg_ | awesome? | 22:24 |
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| Macer | xfce4 was kind of lame.. reminded me of a different styled gnome | 22:24 |
| Venemo | Macer, not really. it's Gtk3 based. | 22:24 |
| Macer | blackbox was awesome | 22:24 |
| Macer | :) | 22:25 |
| lcuk | macer you can make gtk look futuristic! | 22:25 |
| Venemo | zogg_, xfce is even simpler than gnome. | 22:25 |
| Macer | lcuk: hah. no you can't | 22:25 |
| lcuk | Macer, sure you can | 22:25 |
| zogg_ | Macer, you don't have taste than | 22:25 |
| zogg_ | Venemo, that's the point | 22:25 |
| Venemo | see the screenshots at http://gnome3.org/ | 22:25 |
| zogg_ | simplicity is beauty | 22:25 |
| Macer | zogg_: possibly ;) i just like kde.. seems to be the nicest looking thing i've used so far | 22:25 |
| zogg_ | shinny blinking things? | 22:25 |
| Macer | ah crap | 22:25 |
| zogg_ | damn it's like web 2.0 | 22:25 |
| lcuk | there you go, crotum is a futuristic gtk theme | 22:25 |
| lcuk | http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Scutum-Screenshot-41364.html | 22:26 |
| lcuk | err scrotum | 22:26 |
| zogg_ | i like minimalistics | 22:26 |
| lcuk | errr scotum | 22:26 |
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| Macer | yeah... gnome3 still looks like old motif crap :) | 22:26 |
| Venemo | I use Shiki-Wise from this collection: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717 | 22:26 |
| Venemo | it looks a lot better than most themes | 22:26 |
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| zogg_ | Venemo, show me screenies | 22:28 |
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| Macer | yeah i'm sorry... but gnome3 still looks horrible compared to kde ;) | 22:28 |
| Venemo | Macer, KDE is sluggish and overcomplicated. apart from this, I like it too. | 22:29 |
| Macer | Venemo: i'll give you the sluggish part but only on older hardware | 22:29 |
| Macer | it especailly requires a good video card | 22:30 |
| Macer | of which i am not using now :) but i do want to put kubuntu on an alienware m11 | 22:30 |
| Venemo | Macer, it starts up very slowly | 22:30 |
| Macer | Venemo: you think? i didn't think it was too bad | 22:30 |
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| zogg_ | Macer, Venemo http://imgur.com/6xBti | 22:30 |
| Macer | i guess the first startup took a little longer than normal but after it writes its config files it is usually pretty quick on the start up | 22:31 |
| Macer | i would rather get stronger hardware and make it faster than to use an inferior looking wm | 22:31 |
| Venemo | Macer, also, it's hard to find settings in it. at least I found the interface overcomplicated. | 22:31 |
| Venemo | Macer, I particularly liked the plasma widgets. I played about 15 minutes with the "bouncy ball" widget, then found them not so useful :) | 22:33 |
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| pupnik | strange file in my home dir... 1825847 Mar 7 02:10 .save.(null) | 22:34 |
| Macer | Venemo: heh. i use the weather and stock widgets ;) | 22:35 |
| Macer | i need to find a godo stock ticker widget | 22:35 |
| villager | better with a motif look than something that looks as much like crap as kde does... | 22:35 |
| Venemo | Macer, bouncy ball is stock. and it was the most entertaining one among them :P | 22:35 |
| Macer | yeah? | 22:35 |
| pupnik | Venemo: i agree with you on KDE - that's how it feels to me | 22:36 |
| pupnik | or used to feel, at least | 22:36 |
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| Venemo | pupnik :) | 22:37 |
| Macer | oh | 22:37 |
| Macer | Venemo: stock market widget i meant ;) | 22:37 |
| Macer | heh | 22:37 |
| Macer | i am going to look for a good one now | 22:37 |
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| Venemo | anyway, if Gnome 3 won't meet my expectations, I'll probably switch to KDE. | 22:37 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders filing a bug against bouncy-ball. | 22:37 | |
| SpeedEvil | It shows half a ball here. | 22:37 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: hahahhaha | 22:38 |
| Macer | maybe your background is red? :) | 22:38 |
| SpeedEvil | naah. | 22:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I get the top half only | 22:38 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil, lol | 22:38 |
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| pupnik | http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/sneak-peek-at-archos-gen-9-tablets-1-6-ghz-dual-core-a9-process/ | 22:41 |
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| internetishard | any reason to use easy debian instead of arch linux? | 22:41 |
| internetishard | on the n900, that is, since I'm most used to arch... | 22:41 |
| Venemo | internetishard, internet is not hard | 22:42 |
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| internetishard | It is soft? | 22:42 |
| RST38bis | no cellphone though? | 22:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | internetishard: Is there a suitable arch chroot | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 22:43 |
| pupnik | RST38bis: 'disruptive 3G' | 22:43 |
| Venemo | pupnik, what do they mean by disruptive? | 22:43 |
| internetishard | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66531 | 22:43 |
| pupnik | i think 'disruptive' is the buzzword of 2011 | 22:43 |
| pupnik | Venemo: 'game changer' 'market shake-up-er' | 22:44 |
| Venemo | mhm | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | 'pine-scented' | 22:44 |
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| pupnik | i kind of like angstrom on archos as-is | 22:45 |
| pupnik | needs a few things like wlan and powersave | 22:45 |
| RST38bis | pupniK what do they mean? | 22:45 |
| pupnik | you trolling me? | 22:46 |
| RST38bis | yessss =) | 22:46 |
| pupnik | good | 22:46 |
| pupnik | i was worried for a moment | 22:46 |
| zogg_ | but real man is RST38bis | 22:50 |
| zogg_ | he uses ssh only with console | 22:50 |
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| internetishard | I'm curious if someone maintains a list of impressive things only the n900 can do... | 22:51 |
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| pupnik | can run the game of life at 24 fps while drawing an oscilloscope | 22:52 |
| pupnik | what impresses you | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I found that being able to back my laptop up via rsync when the drive was going dodgy was awesome. | 22:53 |
| Venemo | USB host mode is awesome | 22:53 |
| zogg_ | i can make n900 to make me coffees in morning | 22:53 |
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| internetishard | I'm impressed by modularity | 22:55 |
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| internetishard | a collection of tools more extensive than the next... USB host mode is cool as fuck...haven't tried it yet htough | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | The most annoying thing is that the 'core' system apps and daemons are closed. | 22:56 |
| internetishard | about maemo in general? | 22:57 |
| internetishard | I can see that - yeah, I'd be surprised to hear any reasonable rationale for that | 22:57 |
| internetishard | For example, not being able to have groups in the address book is ridiculous and easily added | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | There is a very simple rationale. | 22:57 |
| internetishard | what's that? | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | _everything_ about the way the closed stuff has been developed makes sense if you look at it from the point of view of 'how can we benefit from open-source, but make sure that other phone makers can't. | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, an innovative and easy to use wifi configurator user-developed that could be stolen by other makers can't happen. | 22:59 |
| internetishard | Is there an issue with the default browser as to why it seemingly has to think for a bit before starting to load any web page..? | 22:59 |
| internetishard | So control of the OSS community's efforts | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | As the internet configuration is by closed daemons, that interconnect in wierd and undocumented ways. | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | The browser is pretty instant for me. | 23:00 |
| Macer | wtf | 23:00 |
| Macer | att bought tmobile?? | 23:00 |
| BCMM_ | internetishard: i've noticed that; even applies to file:// urls | 23:00 |
| internetishard | indeed! | 23:00 |
| zogg_ | <Macer> att bought tmobile?? | WHAT | 23:00 |
| zogg_ | i'm not american but WHAT? | 23:00 |
| internetishard | makes it a bit annoying when the iphoner's pull up a web page so much faster | 23:00 |
| BCMM_ | pretty sure the GUI displays before the browser has really started up | 23:00 |
| Macer | haha | 23:00 |
| internetishard | with quick fingers and opera, I can compete, but otherwise it is quite slow | 23:01 |
| BCMM_ | i think they only got tmob USA | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - yes | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I seewhat you mean. | 23:01 |
| Macer | BCMM_: omg help me! | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect it's loading the actual browser. | 23:01 |
| Macer | i went to tmob to LEAVE att | 23:01 |
| BCMM_ | but i must say, i thought there was supposed to be some kind of monpoly law | 23:01 |
| Macer | great | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | The 'loading' bar is actually fake. | 23:01 |
| BCMM_ | monopoly | 23:01 |
| zogg_ | macer you are trapped | 23:01 |
| internetishard | BCMM_: isn't it for each new page you go to? | 23:01 |
| Macer | who is left? verizon... cricket... sprint.. att | 23:02 |
| Macer | boost | 23:02 |
| internetishard | I have tmo, this is probably going to fuck with my plan | 23:02 |
| zogg_ | orange IL | 23:02 |
| zogg_ | MohammadAG, tell them | 23:02 |
| zogg_ | orange IL rocks | 23:02 |
| BCMM_ | internetishard: doesn't look like it, i don't get that if there's already a window open | 23:02 |
| internetishard | there goes my 68$/mo bill for unlimited everything and 600minutes | 23:02 |
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| BCMM_ | (i'm launching the browser by a desktop bookmark that points to a local file:// url) | 23:03 |
| Macer | http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/20/att-mobile-att-buys-t-mobile-usa/ | 23:03 |
| BCMM_ | internetishard: maybe you're just seeing network latency? | 23:03 |
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| internetishard | definitely not | 23:03 |
| internetishard | yeah, it happens with local stuff too | 23:03 |
| BCMM | hmm | 23:04 |
| internetishard | for example, I have that 13gig mirror of wikipedia locally using that one app | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm pretty sure it's the spawn delay, and the bar is fake | 23:04 |
| * MohammadAG feels he missed some important piece of news | 23:04 | |
| SpeedEvil | open a browser. | 23:04 |
| internetishard | and that localwiki app uses the default browser... so it ends up taking just as long as it would have taken to load the actual wiki page | 23:04 |
| BCMM | odd; i definitely see "latency" between the window appearing and the page starting to render | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Go to another bookmark. | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | probably based on a stupid decision | 23:04 |
| BCMM | during which point it shows one of those progress bars with no estimated percentage | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't mean bookmark. | 23:04 |
| BCMM | you know bouncing back and forwards | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean in the addressbar enter anotehr site | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | AT&T bought T-Mobile wtf | 23:05 |
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| zogg_ | MohammadAG, tell thm about orange il | 23:05 |
| BCMM | but i only see that if there is not a browser window already open | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | How many major mobile providers are their inthe US? | 23:05 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: t-mob USA only | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | zogg_, sucks | 23:06 |
| BCMM | from what i've hard, about 1/2 | 23:06 |
| BCMM | (none of them are considered proper ones) | 23:06 |
| zogg_ | MohammadAG, =) | 23:06 |
| zogg_ | i'm drunk =) | 23:06 |
| zogg_ | fuck yeah | 23:06 |
| villager | internetishard: that browser window is just a frontend, the actual html renderer is in a separate process which is normally loaded (and unloaded I guess) in the background | 23:07 |
| internetishard | okay, so why does loading a local wiki page take basically the same amount of time as a remote one? | 23:07 |
| internetishard | for example with evopedia | 23:08 |
| BCMM | internetishard: those sound like they take some time to render | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Because the browser needs to load | 23:08 |
| BCMM | fairly complex pages? | 23:08 |
| villager | internetishard: because the html renderer still needs to be loaded, of course? | 23:08 |
| internetishard | no, just text, and they can be very short | 23:08 |
| internetishard | okay, then why does the html renderer take so long? Opera's is almost instantaneous | 23:08 |
| BCMM | even with the browser already running, rendering could take about as much time as downloading on a nice connection with a complex page | 23:08 |
| BCMM | are you talking about the condition where the browser isn't open already? | 23:09 |
| internetishard | yeah | 23:09 |
| internetishard | I was thinking it didn't matter though - I'll check again | 23:09 |
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| BCMM | yeah, that's the browser loading, quite clearly. | 23:09 |
| internetishard | you get that bar that just goes back and forth while nothing seemingly happens, right? | 23:10 |
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| BCMM | yeah, that | 23:10 |
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| BCMM | remember Microsoft Windows, where you could see your desktop about five minutes before you could actually interact with the computer? | 23:11 |
| BCMM | just pretend it's like that and it'll all make sense | 23:11 |
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| internetishard | haha | 23:11 |
| internetishard | oh thanks | 23:11 |
| internetishard | maybe I can figure out how to get apps like evopedia to use opera instead of the default browser (What's it called, anyway?) | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | MicroB | 23:12 |
| ruskie | there's a browser-switchboard app iirc | 23:12 |
| internetishard | ooo, I'll check that out | 23:12 |
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| internetishard | found it | 23:13 |
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| internetishard | is there a way to type in the all apps category so that it starts narrowing down all the app choices to launch? (poorly described I know) | 23:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | "yes" | 23:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | there are third party products that can do that | 23:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | hypothetically veveo smartsearch being among them | 23:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | i don't know if anyone has an open product for that purpose :( | 23:24 |
| internetishard | why won't that the special keymap thing open while in opera? | 23:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | although, you wouldn't do it from the launcher w/o rewriting the entire launcher | 23:25 |
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| timeless_w7ip | opera probably does special handling of keys | 23:25 |
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| timeless_w7ip | microb does too | 23:25 |
| internetishard | in microb I can press the two keys on the top left | 23:25 |
| internetishard | that opens up that special key thihng | 23:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | we get some of those things wrong | 23:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | not that one, but some of them :) | 23:25 |
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| internetishard | wow, now that I've set opera as default in browser-switchboard, it won't let me open microb and it just opens opera instead | 23:27 |
| zeltak | hya guys. does anyone know if there is any other mail cleint (touch freindly) for the n900 other then the 'el crapo' default? | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | there is community SSU version of modest | 23:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | zeltak: m.gmail.com? | 23:28 |
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| Sc0rpius | AT&T is buying T-Mobile or am I not understanding the news | 23:28 |
| internetishard | yep, tmo USA | 23:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | the former | 23:28 |
| internetishard | retarded, eh? | 23:28 |
| Sc0rpius | oh my goodness | 23:28 |
| Sc0rpius | T-Mobile was like the last decent mobile provider | 23:28 |
| internetishard | It would be nice if protests would ensue, but likely not | 23:28 |
| Sc0rpius | now everything is gonna suck | 23:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | why shouldn't at&t buy out the rest of the market? | 23:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | seems like a good idea for at&t | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | Sc0rpius: t-mobile sucks | 23:29 |
| internetishard | indeed timeless_w7ip | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | at least in the uk | 23:29 |
| Sc0rpius | in Florida it was ok | 23:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | and since t-mobile's parent had issues growing/managing t-mobile us, why shouldn't it divest? | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | o2 was so much better | 23:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | gr | 23:29 |
| internetishard | jacekowski: yeah, well in the UK you've other options | 23:29 |
| * timeless_w7ip hates o2 | 23:29 | |
| internetishard | you can't even get prepaid data in the US jacekowski | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | internet on o2 was working perfectly | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | internetishard: yeah, i've learned that hard way | 23:29 |
| Sc0rpius | exactly but what other options do you have in the US? Verizon with CDMA? no way. AT&T? Terrible. MetroPCS? if you have it in your area, it'd suck anyway. | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | internetishard: i went there, bought at&t prepaid | 23:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | their advertising and packages are evil | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | internetishard: and used up all $100 in couple minutes | 23:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | e.g. the iPhone only deal | 23:30 |
| internetishard | haha, every european country i was it it was mad easy | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | in belgium it was like 15 or 20 euro for prepaid with internet | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | in uk it's like 10 | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | £10 | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | in poland i paid equivalent of £10-15 | 23:31 |
| * timeless_w7ip nods | 23:31 | |
| jacekowski | for prepaid with 2G of internet | 23:31 |
| timeless_w7ip | i've paid similar for both o2 uk and o2 ie | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | and i could still use it for calls | 23:31 |
| timeless_w7ip | but they were evil | 23:31 |
| timeless_w7ip | you had to claim to be an iPhone to get the truly unlimited plan | 23:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | otherwise you got a couple of GBs of data | 23:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | plus an *actual* iPhone would get free wifi from o2's cloud | 23:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | but, if you didn't have an actual iPhone,, you didn't. | 23:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | because they used IMEI(?) to pin your MAC | 23:32 |
| internetishard | anyone here use browser-switchboard? microb won't work anymore... | 23:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | internetishard: it's known to break it | 23:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | don't use it. | 23:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | or suffer the entire contempt from us | 23:33 |
| internetishard | heh, I was just recommended it on here | 23:33 |
| * timeless_w7ip shrugs | 23:34 | |
| internetishard | I'm trying to get evopedia to open using opera | 23:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | it breaks microb, you do not get my sympathy for using it | 23:34 |
| internetishard | It wasn't in the apps details | 23:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | so create a shortcut to a script which launches opera w/ a commandline | 23:34 |
| internetishard | via evopedia? | 23:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | is evopedia an application? | 23:35 |
| * timeless_w7ip assumed it was a bookmark | 23:35 | |
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| internetishard | yep | 23:35 |
| timeless_w7ip | your grammar failed to express your meaning | 23:35 |
| internetishard | That happens | 23:35 |
| timeless_w7ip | if you use correct grammar, you'll get better results | 23:35 |
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| internetishard | I think alcohol has been damaging my intelligence | 23:36 |
| timeless_w7ip | there's an obvious lesson there... | 23:36 |
| internetishard | Indeed | 23:36 |
| Venemo | :D | 23:36 |
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| pupnik | n900... screen too small for gemrb | 23:41 |
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| pupnik | be happy. you are all part of the greatest piece of kit and the best community in the world. | 23:47 |
| internetishard | how do you make a fookin tilde in opera? | 23:47 |
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| timeless_w7ip | ctrl-v works | 23:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | :) | 23:49 |
| internetishard | heard there was an onscreenkeyboard, but I've no idea how to launch it | 23:49 |
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| timeless_w7ip | you have to enable it in settings>text input | 23:51 |
| internetishard | btw, I saw Tron recently, and I think that kid in the beginning had an n900, but I can't be sure (LOL Haxer phone!!) | 23:51 |
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| internetishard | timeless_w7ip: once enabled, how is it launched? | 23:53 |
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| timeless_w7ip | close the keyboard and tap an input widget? | 23:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | (text input widget) | 23:55 |
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| internetishard | alright, I guess I'll use special characters in opera that way | 23:57 |
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| villager | does opera use gtk or qt? | 23:59 |
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