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| SpeedEvil | Who wrote khweetur? | 00:11 |
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| * SpeedEvil forgot. | 00:11 | |
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| RST38h | Khertan did | 00:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:17 |
| Venemo | ZogG, ping | 00:18 |
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| pupnik | wish i had all you guys in my hometown | 00:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Where are you, I forget. | 00:27 |
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| pupnik | germany, near frankfurt | 00:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 00:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Fife, Scotland here. | 00:28 |
| pupnik | is there some nice scenery nearby? | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, so not too far from 49.45 11.05 | 00:29 |
| pupnik | the maemo conference was nice | 00:29 |
| pupnik | was nice to meet nokians | 00:30 |
| pupnik | good folks | 00:30 |
| Venemo | this is so annoying, Media Player fails to detect some of my metadata | 00:30 |
| RST38h | happens | 00:30 |
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| pupnik | i shouldn't have slept in my car though | 00:30 |
| Venemo | pupnik, what conference was that? | 00:31 |
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| pupnik | you can overdo it with the money-saving | 00:31 |
| pupnik | 2009 | 00:31 |
| phap | I know this Venemo it's quite boring | 00:31 |
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| Venemo | phap, do you know a solution? | 00:31 |
| phap | Unfortunaltly not I switched to Someplayer | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Glenrothes,+Fife,+United+Kingdom&ll=56.215314,-3.112521&spn=0.004558,0.008669&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=56.215916,-3.113197&panoid=ph1ycR8bGHGH3iNB37f2wQ&cbp=12,265.83,,0,-2.24 is nearby | 00:32 |
| phap | I love Media player if it was not for this art problem | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Does streetview work on microB | 00:33 |
| pupnik | oh now i remember SpeedEvil | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | never tried it. | 00:33 |
| pupnik | good work with your house | 00:33 |
| RST38h | I think it does, just barely | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Just had a _massive_ pile of insulation delivered. | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | 8m^3 | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Which should enable me to make a proper start. | 00:34 |
| pupnik | need a hand? | 00:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to work out what I'm doing first. | 00:34 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:34 |
| pupnik | i have a lot to do as well but it's hard to get going | 00:34 |
| SpeedEvil | There are some possible state funded options that I need to investigate first. | 00:34 |
| SpeedEvil | In some ways I'd prefer to DIY - but it's a hell of a lot of work. | 00:34 |
| pupnik | orchards are nice | 00:35 |
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| pupnik | someone will appreciate them who you never meet | 00:35 |
| ZogG | Venemo pomg | 00:35 |
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| pupnik | unless some jerk comes and buldozes your trees | 00:36 |
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| Sc0rpius | so have you read the Maemo Council candidates list? | 00:43 |
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| Arkenoi | what does "arapp" do? claims to be augmented reality app but does not seem to do anything | 01:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Maybe it's for superimposing pictures of pirates on your world? | 01:08 |
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| ThreeM | can i took the libflash.so from another arm smartphone to work on the n900? | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so who's extinguishing the fire this time? Or does anybody at all? | 01:20 |
| lcuk | which fire? | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: block4 on fire again | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this morning allegedly a special force of US military extinguished it. But seems they (tepco 50 dudes remaining personal at site) didn't manage to get cooling of chillout pool back to working order | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it ignited again | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (it seems == my take on it. Except for "fire again" and "used fuel rods in chillout pool at #4 caught fire this morning" it's mere handwaving and entirely 'made up' by me) | 01:51 |
| ThreeM | the fire on reaktor is off | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | again? | 01:52 |
| ThreeM | mom looking for timestamp | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's been a seconf fire reported like 3h ago | 01:52 |
| ThreeM | 00:36 met | 01:52 |
| ThreeM | so its 20 min old | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, good | 01:53 |
| ThreeM | looks like the fire has just turn off. | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if the fire is a zirconia-air fire | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Or if it's some other random stuff. | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Zircalloy, rather. | 01:53 |
| ThreeM | i beleve its other randrom stuff from the building | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's zirconia-oxide so unlikely it is set on fire | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - not the oxide, the metal clad | 01:54 |
| ThreeM | not the nuklearsticks itself (how they are called in english?) | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuel rods | 01:55 |
| ThreeM | thx | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 01:55 |
| ThreeM | i think the fuel rods has fired up parts from the building. after the explosion. | 01:55 |
| ThreeM | but we are all no experts :( | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems nobody is atm | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp when it comes to details of situation at site | 01:56 |
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| * SpeedEvil hopes it's boring from here on in. | 01:57 | |
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| * SpeedEvil wants more nukes in the UK. | 01:57 | |
| ThreeM | i hope they can prevent the fallout | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | last I heard is the pool is running short of cooling water, so the rods started to heat up. And they tried to fill the pool with pumps and/or via helicopers dropping water, which didn't pan out | 01:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | The current amount of emitted radiation is apparantly hazerdous if you're right at the plant gates. | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not going to be dangerous in a few days due to decay times, or at any distance at all. | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, you get like 400 times an allowable year dosage in 1 hour there | 01:59 |
| ThreeM | take some steaks with you | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | (if stuff stays the same, and if the figures reported are accurate) | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | the figures reported are bogus mostly | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Possibly, yes. | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's one semi reliable report like ~400mS in between block3 and block4, when #4 was on fire. Probably taken by US special forces | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | 400mS/h | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4000 are considered 50% immediately lethal | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so of a crew staying there for 10h, like 50% will die during hours or days | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | disclaimer: AIUI / AFAIK | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Radiological units are hideously complex. | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Even more than light units. | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless this isn't the venus at night sky, this is a friggin baseball field illumination | 02:04 |
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| ThreeM | " Tepco said that it is considering dispersing boric acid, a fire retardant, over the Fukushima Daiichi plants No. 4 reactor from a helicopter, Reuters reports" | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which just on incidence happens to also be last means to stop or minimize a chain reaction in case of meltdown | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | The problem ismany people are conflatingthis with the desperate measures of dropping crap into the open core of Chernobyl. | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | which may happen on those rods in chillout pool as well, aiui | 02:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | When it's about 8 orders of magnitudes lower. | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, ping me on next curtain. I'm off for a walk, so call me DocScrutinizer51 now ;-) | 02:08 |
| ThreeM | its 9,1 now | 02:10 |
| ThreeM | the have been rated it up | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | wave. | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that explains it all | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly block5 will go boom immediately after it learns about it's not been 8.9 but 9.1 | 02:11 |
| ThreeM | rating it up cause reaktor fails on 8. | 02:12 |
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| ThreeM | 8,9 will be ok but 9.1 omg! | 02:12 |
| ThreeM | but, the diffenence from 8,9 to 9.1 is huge | 02:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | It was rated for 8.5 IIRC | 02:14 |
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| an0therb0x | has anyone else had a charging issue with the n900 where is only charges when connected to pc/laptop but not wall or car charger ? | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | The nokia wall charger? | 02:51 |
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| orlok | my N900 will run flat connected via USB heh | 02:52 |
| an0therb0x | SpeedEvil: yes the nokia wall charger does not charge it but it charges my bluetooth ear piece | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | It actually charges on PC? | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd try to reboot. | 02:54 |
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| an0therb0x | SpeedEvil: I have rebooted multiple times, my wild guess is community SSU | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | No idea. | 02:56 |
| ThreeM | wall charger = standard charger include with N900? | 02:58 |
| an0therb0x | correct standard charger included with N900 | 02:58 |
| ThreeM | no issues here with cssu | 02:59 |
| ThreeM | can charge on laptop and standard charger without problems | 02:59 |
| ThreeM | maybe your charger is broken? | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | an0therb0x: Are you using the same lead for both? | 03:00 |
| an0therb0x | the nokia charger works fine for my ear piece | 03:00 |
| ThreeM | hmm | 03:00 |
| ThreeM | strange | 03:00 |
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| ThreeM | uhh now the say that reaktor 4 is still under fire | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://downloads.openmoko.org/firmware/calypso/ | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, ECAHN | 03:20 |
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| blizzow | I want to merge contacts on my n900 and have the changes propagate to my Exchange account. | 03:38 |
| blizzow | Or do the merge on my phone, save the resulting contact list, delete my exchange contacts, and import the resulting list. Is this possible with the N900? | 03:38 |
| blizzow | It seems like the n900 will only suck down contacts from exchange but changes done on the n900 don't get pushed to exchange | 03:39 |
| blizzow | . | 03:39 |
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| lolcat | Alien Dalvik, like the rest of Myriad’s portfolio, is sold directly to operators and device manufacturers, and is unavailable for individual sale. We are currently in discussions with a number of our customers regarding Alien Dalvik and future deployments will be determined by market demand. | 06:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | an0therb0x: your nokia charger has broken D+/- short | 07:43 |
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| lofty306 | just doooont say usb pulled out | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | an0therb0x: I guess the D+/- short is done by connecting the white and blue wire of a 4 wire cable running from charger to plug. Probably one of those 2 wires is broken | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/blue/green/ | 07:50 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: an0therb0x: I guess the D+/- short is done by connecting the white and green wire of a 4 wire cable running from charger to plug. Probably one of those 2 wires is broken | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | an0therb0x: ...or one of the middle 2 golden contact springs in the USB plug is bent or dirty | 07:51 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | re-yawn | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | new: smoke over #3, exciting: nothing any more about this desaster | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: before you ask ;-D | 07:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | grr | 07:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | grr? | 07:54 |
| lofty306 | last i heard is that they withdrew all the workers from the plant radiation leevels too high atm | 07:55 |
| lofty306 | but thee is confusion if that ment the last 50 workers there or others | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, it actually meant all 50 last kamikaze workers | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually they can't reasonably do anything anymore anyway | 07:58 |
| lofty306 | thats what i took it to mean | 07:58 |
| RST38h | Doc:ah, how boring | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | they should place a proper little bomb under the reactors and start the containment discharge in a semicontrolled way, as long as the wind is friendly | 08:00 |
| RST38h | Last I heard, they were going to drop sea water from helicopters | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, that's old and of course was a major fail | 08:00 |
| RST38h | Which, to anyone even slightly familiar with the subject, indicates that they have run out of reasonable methods to stop it | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | supposedly they tried to refill the chill down pool at #4 this way | 08:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which actually would make sense, if there wasn't some building around it | 08:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: if you can't stop it, ride it | 08:07 |
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| RST38h | Doc: No, in hierarchical societies, it means "run around in circles and show the bosses that you are working hard" | 08:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | really they should "open the drain" of the PV and containment *now*, and manage the molten fuel rods as they come drop by drop (place huge amounts of sand and borax there), rather than waiting for a 70 tons of radioactive molten substance to collect in the bilge of containment until it reaches criticality | 08:16 |
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| lofty306 | they decided not to drop water in that they could displace the fuel rode in the storage pool and send it critical bu rods being too close together | 08:18 |
| lofty306 | *rods | 08:18 |
| RST38h | Doc: I am afraid none of us know enough and have enough background to reason like that | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | they should have dne this instead if useless filling in seawater, wait until it boils and builds up pressure and again the rods are in free air without cooling | 08:19 |
| orlok | do all types of water act as moderators? | 08:19 |
| orlok | i thought it needed heavy water? | 08:19 |
| RST38h | AFAIK, all, to some degree | 08:19 |
| orlok | i thought the reason not to dump in water as it turned into radioactive steam | 08:19 |
| RST38h | but they are using water mainly for cooling at the moment | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | orlok: yes, of course | 08:20 |
| lofty306 | thease are lite water reactors | 08:20 |
| lofty306 | light? | 08:20 |
| lofty306 | no | 08:21 |
| RST38h | Because light water works better as a moderator | 08:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | because heavy water is really expensive ;-P | 08:21 |
| lofty306 | and add a nuclear poision to that and it will slow the reaction they used boron(probably boric acid) | 08:22 |
| * RST38h sighs: none of us here are nuclear engineers, so why argue? | 08:22 | |
| orlok | Dont suppose anybody here knows much about ethernet and ciscos? | 08:22 |
| orlok | RST38h: thats been my thought heh | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but that's not the problem. the reactor was correctly stopped wrt chain reaction | 08:22 |
| orlok | (the people in #cisco are seriously useless) | 08:22 |
| RST38h | so are most people, in general... | 08:23 |
| orlok | well, one or two people have been of some vague help | 08:23 |
| orlok | but the rest of them are just parroting crap from books with no uderstanding of why | 08:23 |
| orlok | "Force speed and duplex! Force to 100Base-FD!" | 08:23 |
| orlok | but cant say why thats any different to the fact they all autonegotiate at 100BaseFD anyway | 08:24 |
| orlok | and why my problem goes away when i switch to 100Base-HD | 08:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | use the force!!! | 08:24 |
| orlok | And them claim that the fact i'm using ICMP means its not a valit performance metric | 08:24 |
| RST38h | They are certified cisco engineers! | 08:24 |
| orlok | Then claim any throughput issues must be an application error.. When i'm using FTP and SCP | 08:24 |
| orlok | Then they claim its the cheapest router cisco sells | 08:24 |
| RST38h | You have been attacked by certified cisco engineers! | 08:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzzzzzzisco | 08:25 |
| orlok | and yet still cannot explain why forcing to 100BaseFD is any different to Auto-100Base-FD | 08:25 |
| RST38h | Rrrrun to the hills! | 08:25 |
| orlok | and especially cannot explain why the problem goes away at 100base-HD | 08:25 |
| RST38h | orlok: Well that I can tell you right away | 08:25 |
| orlok | Except to force the links. | 08:25 |
| orlok | But cannot say why! | 08:26 |
| orlok | RST38h: NOT engineers. | 08:26 |
| RST38h | orlok: "auto" means the adapters will only go to that mode if they both agree and the line is ok | 08:26 |
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| orlok | RST38h: Yes, i know all that, and they all went to 100Base-FD-Auto fine! | 08:26 |
| RST38h | orlok: "forced" means that the adapter will go to that mode no matter what | 08:26 |
| orlok | i know all this :) | 08:26 |
| orlok | thats the thing - they autodetected to 100Base-FD fine, yet had transmission errors. | 08:27 |
| orlok | Errors go away when i force them to 100Base-HD | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's FD/HD? | 08:27 |
| derf | Full Duplex. | 08:27 |
| orlok | Full Duplex/Half Duplex | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | full/half dupleyx? | 08:27 |
| derf | Half Duplex. | 08:27 |
| RST38h | orlok: then what are you doing in a channel full of CCPs? | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, I know I know :-P | 08:28 |
| RST38h | orlok: probably means one of two things | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | had that | 08:28 |
| orlok | RST38h: trying to get an explination for packet loss issues | 08:28 |
| RST38h | orlok: 1) on of the cards does not support it or 2) your wiring is broken somewhere | 08:28 |
| orlok | it seems cos they have paid so much to get their certificates | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I witnessed that when I used a faulty wired cable once | 08:28 |
| orlok | they cannot bear the thought of the cisco gear being anything less than perfect.. that would devalue them! | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | worked fine on HD, broke almost completely on FD | 08:29 |
| RST38h | orlok: I would go with (2) and start by connecting devices with a piece of wiring that is known to be good | 08:29 |
| orlok | RST38h: nope, nope. | 08:29 |
| orlok | RST38h: well, it _could_ be the cabling. I will be changing ALL of it tomorrow | 08:29 |
| RST38h | orlok: howdoyouknow? | 08:29 |
| orlok | RST38h: but i have used multiple routers and servers | 08:29 |
| orlok | Intel servers, or Lenovo notebooks, etc etc | 08:29 |
| RST38h | orlok: before you change cabling, try connecting them with a really short piece of a known good FD wire | 08:29 |
| orlok | Cables were tested, etc | 08:29 |
| orlok | i will open up a new batch tomorrow and test | 08:30 |
| RST38h | orlok: oh wait have you got any concentrators there??? | 08:30 |
| orlok | RST38h: actually, one of the few usefull things anybody in #cisco told me was there is a minimum cable length! | 08:30 |
| orlok | 2 meters or so | 08:30 |
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| orlok | but i could not find that in the IEEE cable specs | 08:30 |
| RST38h | orlok: you may have got a faulty concentrator | 08:30 |
| orlok | RST38h: No concentrator. | 08:31 |
| RST38h | so you only have 2 devices connected? | 08:31 |
| orlok | RST38h: This is a testbed replication of an issue i am seeing in a production enviroment | 08:31 |
| orlok | RST38h | 08:31 |
| RST38h | ok | 08:31 |
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| orlok | Intel server - 2950 - 1841 router - 2950 - Intel server | 08:31 |
| orlok | router has cleared config, configured for the two interfaces, etc | 08:31 |
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| RST38h | how about removing 1841 and the second 2950? =) | 08:32 |
| orlok | hahahah. | 08:32 |
| orlok | Not the fix i was hoping for.. but better than anything they managed! | 08:32 |
| RST38h | not a fix, just a way to figure out where problem resides | 08:33 |
| RST38h | it can be either of the servers, either of the 2950s, or the router | 08:33 |
| RST38h | makes sense to start small, then add shit piece by piece and see when it breaks | 08:33 |
| orlok | RST38h: No, its the router. | 08:33 |
| RST38h | ok | 08:33 |
| orlok | Its to due with the duplexing. | 08:34 |
| orlok | i can make the problem appear and dissapear by toggling everything from FD to HD | 08:34 |
| orlok | In the production network, we had to change a switch WIC interface from half duplex to full duplex and force it | 08:34 |
| orlok | as otherwise the switch WIC would lock up every 2 weeks | 08:35 |
| orlok | Thats what causes some production errors to show | 08:35 |
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| orlok | Now i can replicate that here and confirmed that was the problem | 08:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if the twisted pairs are messed up, you get interferences in cable on duplex | 08:35 |
| orlok | now i jkust want to know why, and of course nobody in #cisco will say "cisco sucks" | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | such a cable looks perfect on DC tests | 08:36 |
| orlok | DocScrutinizer: yeah, i'm going to unbag some new Cat6 cables tomorrow | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | use a different brand, from another shop ;-) | 08:38 |
| orlok | yeah | 08:38 |
| orlok | best advice all day :) | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | HTH | 08:38 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Oracle is killing Sun.com, the online home of Sun Microsystems and one of the oldest dot-com domain names. | 08:39 |
| RST38h | orlok:there is probably a secret setting to toggle somewhere deep inside that router's guts! =) | 08:39 |
| orlok | RST38h: Just like what happened to HPHUX and Irix, then the guy that did it went to work for MS.... | 08:41 |
| orlok | "Ok, guys, i wiped out the server and workstation compitition like you asked, wheres that breast inspector job?" | 08:41 |
| RST38h | ehehe | 08:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - they could sell sun.com | 08:45 |
| SpeedEvil | thesun.co.uk | 08:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | to pizbuin | 08:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or to thomas cook | 08:47 |
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| lofty306 | tsa.gov | 08:51 |
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| lofty306 | GE sending 10 gas turbine generators to japannn | 09:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GE hah. >>>Its reactors were designed by General Electric. (Msnbc.com is a joint venture between NBC Universal and Microsoft. GE is a part owner of NBC Universal.)<<< http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42084187/ns/world_news-asiapacific/ kinda funny how they put it, at end of the article | 09:34 |
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| timeless_w7ip | they have to | 09:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's standard disclaimer to indicate they're aware of the potential conflict of interest | 09:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's part of journalistic integrity | 09:37 |
| lofty306 | it seems they went ahead with dropping water from helicopter | 09:41 |
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| pupnik | wow nokia 3310 sold 126 million units | 10:43 |
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| RST38h | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/03/tsa-radiation-test-bungling/ | 11:25 |
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| flexxxv | hey, what is the best way to set up scratchbox on a ubuntu box? | 13:17 |
| pupnik | for you, installing vmware image | 13:17 |
| flexxxv | sure? | 13:18 |
| flexxxv | How about http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK | 13:18 |
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| crashanddie | What exactly do you want to do? | 13:19 |
| pupnik | what abot it | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | Develop C++/Qt apps for Maemo? | 13:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | hey | 13:19 |
| andre__ | yo. | 13:19 |
| flexxxv | yes. or port some software | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | Basically, if you just want to do C++/Qt, you can get the Nokia Qt SDK | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | it does cross-compilation et all | 13:20 |
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| crashanddie | If however you want to use other build systems, such as make, and basically master your own toolchain | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | then you need scratchbox | 13:20 |
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| Venemo_N900 | flexxxv: Qt SDK 1.1 can do what you want | 13:21 |
| flexxxv | hmm. I'll do some research | 13:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: not true. while sb may be practical, Qt sdk can do all | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | oh, ok then | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | my bad | 13:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: you can install any lib into MADDE | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | well, yeah | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | but not compile it easily | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | it's not as linux-hacker friendly as scratchbox is | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | not that scratchbox is friendly in any way, shape or form | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | true, true | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe | 13:27 |
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| flexxxv | can I use the qt4 designer to build a good interface for maemo 5 | 14:02 |
| flexxxv | ? | 14:02 |
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| dashavoo | afternoon all | 14:12 |
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| jonwil | I think the USB port on my N900 has finally reached the level of "broken" :( | 14:16 |
| jonwil | Its charging right now but thats a miracle I suspect | 14:16 |
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| psycho_oreos | did you get a slowly flashing amber LED light? | 14:17 |
| jonwil | Its definatly charging | 14:18 |
| jonwil | I can see the LED | 14:18 |
| jonwil | But I suspect that if I even breath on my N900 or its USB connector, it will move just that micrometer needed to break the link and stop charging | 14:19 |
| dashavoo | jonwil: After mine stopped charging properly, switching to one of the other charging things worked for a while (they eventually became very sensitive too) | 14:19 |
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| dashavoo | no idea why it should have made a difference | 14:19 |
| jonwil | right now its charging via wall charger | 14:20 |
| psycho_oreos | which build number do you guys have? | 14:20 |
| jonwil | which was for a while more flaky than charging via data cable | 14:20 |
| jonwil | but now both data cable and wall charger are VERY flakey | 14:20 |
| dashavoo | psycho_oreos: where would one find that out? | 14:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | jonwil: I thought you were in hte EU. | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Or am I confused. | 14:21 |
| jonwil | nope, I am in Australia | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno what .au warranties are. | 14:21 |
| psycho_oreos | dashavoo, hmm lemme check, iirc it was available in flasher | 14:21 |
| jonwil | When trying to plug it in, I was able to get it to flash briefly "charging" then "charging stopped" | 14:21 |
| jonwil | then I tried one more time with the wall charger and just got it to work | 14:22 |
| psycho_oreos | dashavoo, `flasher --local -i' if doing it on n900 itself, look for hardware revision | 14:23 |
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| BCMM | you can flash on-device? | 14:24 |
| BCMM | shiny. | 14:24 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 14:24 |
| orlok | jonwil: ever have problems wih it losing SIM contact? | 14:24 |
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| jonwil | nope, its not loosing SIM contact | 14:24 |
| orlok | ahh | 14:24 |
| orlok | who did you get it through? | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | orlok: I have. | 14:24 |
| orlok | optus? | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | orlok: what symptoms do you get> | 14:25 |
| orlok | SpeedEvil: ipad-type sim? | 14:25 |
| jonwil | I bought it from an Australian reseller | 14:25 |
| orlok | the one with the extra cutout? | 14:25 |
| dashavoo | psycho_oreos: 2101 | 14:25 |
| orlok | i got mine from.. allphones? or something | 14:25 |
| dashavoo | psycho_oreos: and thanks, I didn't know I could get info like that ;) | 14:25 |
| jonwil | It was an online reseller | 14:25 |
| orlok | SpeedEvil: the SIM icon appears and goes grey | 14:25 |
| jonwil | who sold me one | 14:25 |
| jonwil | with a genuine Nokia warranty | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | orlok: I don't think I've seent hat. | 14:25 |
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| orlok | SpeedEvil: you know how you push the sim out of the credit card sized thing? | 14:26 |
| psycho_oreos | dashavoo, well now you know.. hmm 2101, slightly older than my build. I have heard numerous reports of faulty mUSB breakage | 14:26 |
| orlok | SpeedEvil: the ipad sim's are smaller yet again | 14:26 |
| jonwil | yeah I have heard the reports too | 14:26 |
| orlok | so theres a decent bit of plastic missing | 14:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | ipad iirc uses uSIM or something like that, it probably only has the gold bits left of the SIM card to be inserted. That also reminds me of the dual SIM hack with N900 | 14:27 |
| jonwil | I hope that since flakey USB ports are a "known fault" with the phone, Nokia wont try and tell me its not covered | 14:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | it is a known fault | 14:27 |
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| jonwil | This is my second N900, the first one had a busted flexboard (indicator LED didnt work) and Nokia gave me a replacement rather than a repair | 14:28 |
| orlok | psycho_oreos: yup, pretty much | 14:28 |
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| dashavoo | jonwil: I have a worse problem... my screen is also severely cracked (I can see pretty much nothing now), so I either get insurance to repair the screen and hopefully usb, or I repair it myself and void the warranty | 14:28 |
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| jonwil | Nokia Care weren't that bad when they fixed the first problem | 14:30 |
| jonwil | They just took forever | 14:30 |
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| jonwil | Which meant I was without a phone for a week or more | 14:31 |
| jonwil | despite their claims of "a few days" | 14:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | orlok: Ah | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | orlok: I took a different tack. | 14:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | orlok: Take the existing normal sized 'old style' SIM. Place back in the original holder. Line up with the new ipad SIM holder. remove old SIM holder while holding SIM firmly in place. | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | orlok: Draw round SIM carefully. | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | orlok: Apply sharp chisel to cut off excess. | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | This leaves you an ipad SIM, inside a normal SIM-sized bit of plastic. | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to install this in my phone though. | 14:33 |
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| orlok | SpeedEvil: yah, except my N900 came with an ipad style SIM | 14:34 |
| orlok | so its not as rigid | 14:34 |
| orlok | i was thinking that caused my sim disconnect issues | 14:35 |
| orlok | CaptainX: my steppers are geared already | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | orlok: Ah. | 14:35 |
| orlok | then they have a small gear, connected to a big gear where the fine control knobs are | 14:35 |
| orlok | doh | 14:36 |
| orlok | wrong channel | 14:36 |
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| lofty306 | orlok, you buildiing a reprap in here? | 14:37 |
| orlok | haha, no... | 14:37 |
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| orlok | telescope mount drive system | 14:38 |
| lofty306 | ahh | 14:38 |
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| jacktheripper | does the camera app open microb by default to view images ? (after tapping that little image icon on the bottom-right_ | 14:45 |
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| jonwil | is it normal for the mA provided by a wall charger to fluctuate (in this case as high as 831 and as low as 745) | 14:46 |
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| RST38h | wall charger provides volts not mA | 14:48 |
| RST38h | the current (aka "mA") will fluctuate depending on how much power your device consumes | 14:48 |
| jonwil | so its normal for it to bounce around when charging | 14:48 |
| jonwil | The main thing is that it IS actually charging | 14:49 |
| jonwil | :P) | 14:49 |
| jonwil | and I have moved the phone to a location where nothing can even slightly bump it | 14:49 |
| orlok | if i perform a SCP over wireless wile plugged in via USB.. my device discharges.. even though it says charging | 14:49 |
| jonwil | so there is no danger it will stop charging | 14:49 |
| jonwil | mine definatly lists a TTF value | 14:50 |
| jonwil | so bq27200.sh thinks its charging | 14:50 |
| orlok | mail.westernfireprotection.net (70.184.39.241) hoglahoo.com (74.208.41.180) | 14:50 |
| orlok | doh | 14:50 |
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| pupnik | loyal dog is loyal | 14:54 |
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| dashavoo | orlok: when I am charging with usb and also using the phone for other things, I often get a message warning me that the device is consuming more than the usb cable is providing | 15:04 |
| orlok | dashavoo: ahh.. that may be why.. i didnt see a message | 15:05 |
| orlok | but i was ssh'd into it, doing a tar -cf / across ssh | 15:05 |
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| dominikb | hi! on the N900, I am using the "--force-power-key" R&D flag to auto-boot the device when receiving power. is it possible to have this functionality when not in R&D mode? | 15:07 |
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| sampos | lcuk: http://pastie.org/1678343 | 15:08 |
| jonwil | great, hal-device bme and bq2700.sh disagree on whether the device is recieving power or not | 15:09 |
| sampos | lcuk: known prob ? | 15:09 |
| lcuk | sampos, liqbase (0.1.5) has to date not run on the n900 | 15:09 |
| jonwil | hal-device bme says "maemo.rechargeable.positive_rate = true" and "maemo.rechargeable.charging_status = 'on'" | 15:09 |
| lcuk | I have never tried to push the code through | 15:09 |
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| jonwil | yet bq2700.sh says TTF is 65535 | 15:10 |
| jonwil | and is implying juice is being drained | 15:10 |
| sampos | lcuk: ah, ok. | 15:10 |
| lcuk | I dismantled and was building it as individual components in the libliqbase, liqbase-playground and all associated apps liq* | 15:10 |
| lcuk | rather than the monolithich blob | 15:10 |
| lcuk | -h | 15:11 |
| jonwil | I suspect I am not going to get a charged device | 15:11 |
| lcuk | sampos, the classic one *can* be tweaked to work on x86 and that was what I did on my meego ideapad whilst comparing optimisations | 15:11 |
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| sampos | lcuk: maybe we have it on n900de someday ? | 15:13 |
| jonwil | I get the feeling that I have no choice but to go back to Nokia Care ASAP and hope they dont take 2 weeks to fix it :( | 15:13 |
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| eichi | hello. is there a way to import the saved sms on my sim card to my n900? | 15:14 |
| lcuk | sampos, no - the entire functionality exists in the library as individual apps, it all just needs polishing and aligning | 15:14 |
| jonwil | holy shit, its actually charging again now | 15:14 |
| lcuk | sampos, having it as individual plugin apps is better and much more maintainable | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | of course if someone else wanted to! | 15:15 |
| umm`900 | :o | 15:16 |
| sampos | lcuk: :) | 15:16 |
| * lcuk does not think it is useful though as cleaning the library | 15:16 | |
| * umm`900 waits for the answer as well ^-^ | 15:16 | |
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| lcuk | sampos, MeeGo N900 DE would be better with : http://liqbase.net/liq.meego.r&d.n900.and.ideapad.fullspeed.20110220_011.jpg | 15:17 |
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| lcuk | which shows the apps running fullspeed on all MeeGo devices I have | 15:17 |
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| sampos | that looks nice | 15:19 |
| lcuk | sampos, :) | 15:20 |
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| lcuk | sampos, notice that there are actually *more* apps running on the n900 one on that screenshot ;) | 15:21 |
| * sampos looks more closely | 15:22 | |
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| kerio | umm`900: ^-----^ | 15:30 |
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| umm`900 | *-* | 15:40 |
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| jonwil | Yep, further examination of my N900 USB port under bright light reveals damage. I hope Nokia doesn't decide that whatever damage there is doesn't quality for a warranty fix (e.g. they claim "its clear that you used force on the connector so we wont cover it") otherwise I am in trouble | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 15:45 |
| jonwil | I can see that the port is slightly out of alignment | 15:45 |
| jonwil | hence my concern :( | 15:46 |
| luke-jr | jonwil: since USB port damage is commonplace in N900s, I don't see why they would decline | 15:47 |
| jonwil | I think its clear from the # of reports of it that the N900 USB port is poorly designed | 15:47 |
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| jonwil | My big issue is the fact that I will be without a phone for however long | 15:49 |
| jonwil | which makes it harder for me when I am trying to find a job | 15:49 |
| jonwil | as I cant receive important calls | 15:49 |
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| Macer | heh | 15:51 |
| Macer | i can't say i have ever had a problem with my n900 usb port | 15:51 |
| jonwil | And I thought Nokia was known for making good quality hardware | 15:51 |
| jonwil | Or is the N900 the exception to the rule? | 15:52 |
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| lofty306 | he yank his usb out yeet? | 15:54 |
| lofty306 | yet? | 15:54 |
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| pupnik | how silly | 15:57 |
| pupnik | cell phones are like sand on the beach | 15:57 |
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| pupnik | ebay: 1 ero | 15:57 |
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| flexxxv | hey I'm trying to compile under scratchbox a programm and I get: greektranslit.cc:1: error: stray '\357' in program greektranslit.cc:1: error: stray '\273' in program greektranslit.cc:1: error: stray '\277' in program | 15:58 |
| flexxxv | The file contains some greek symbols and is utf8 coded | 15:59 |
| RST38h | You are typing your program in unicode | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | anyone into GLib (GValue to be precise) | 15:59 |
| RST38h | what about it? | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | I'm getting segfaults | 15:59 |
| RST38h | on what code? | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | I changed a GValue to a pointer | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafwrendereradapter.cpp#line328 | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | if you look at that, you'll notice it's initialize a GValue each time that's called | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | since it's connected to a slider, that's a lot, and I'm guessing that's what causes the slider to be shitty | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | now, I changed that to a pointer defined in the header, and initialized it correctly | 16:02 |
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| MohammadAG | GVolume = NULL; g_value_init (GVolume, G_TYPE_UINT); | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | and changed the section on gitorious to be g_value_set_uint (GVolume, volume); mafw_extension.. etc | 16:02 |
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| MohammadAG | it's segfaulting on it, mafw_extension_set_property(MAFW_EXTENSION(this->mafw_renderer), MAFW_PROPERTY_RENDERER_VOLUME, GVolume); | 16:03 |
| RST38h | ooooooooooooooooo | 16:03 |
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| RST38h | Of course it is segfaulting | 16:04 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm? | 16:04 |
| RST38h | g_value_init() is supposed to take a pointer to the EXISTING GValue and set it to type UINT | 16:04 |
| RST38h | You give it a 0 instead of the pointer | 16:04 |
| RST38h | Kaboom. | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | but it's segfaulting on the mafw line :P | 16:05 |
| RST38h | could you pastebin your code somewhere? | 16:05 |
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| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/j7TanXQn | 16:06 |
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| MohammadAG | segfaults on 318 | 16:07 |
| Aquarina | hi | 16:07 |
| Aquarina | i'm looking at a way to update my n810 | 16:07 |
| Aquarina | is there a new image since os2008? | 16:08 |
| Aquarina | (been told meego wouldn't work on n810) | 16:08 |
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| Aquarina | :-/ | 16:08 |
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| flexxxv | Aquarina: there is no stable meego for en users. what do you want to do with meego? | 16:09 |
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| Aquarina | flexxxv: i'd like to have it behave more like an ordinary computer | 16:09 |
| Aquarina | multiple users | 16:09 |
| Aquarina | for example | 16:09 |
| Aquarina | share internet connection | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: ok this may not work | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: it is wrong | 16:10 |
| Aquarina | export the display through ssh ... | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, how? | 16:11 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: please do this: | 16:11 |
| flexxxv | meego ist right now only for developers (at all devices). It won't work like an ordinary pc | 16:11 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: 1. At the top level, declare GValue GVolume; (NOT a pointer) | 16:11 |
| flexxxv | try something like easydebian | 16:11 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: 2. Replace GVolume=NULL with memset(&GVolume, 0, sizeof(GVolume)) | 16:12 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: 3. replace GVolume with &GVolume everywhere | 16:12 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: 4. See if it works. | 16:12 |
| Aquarina | flexxxv: hum... I'd LOVE to have debian on it | 16:13 |
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| Aquarina | flexxxv: is there a page I can digg it? | 16:13 |
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| flexxxv | Aquarina: google? I have a n800 (I'm not using at the moment) and I had the abillity to dual boot debian | 16:14 |
| Aquarina | ok, great | 16:14 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, works, but the slider's still slow :/ | 16:15 |
| Aquarina | now... let's see if there is some sort of netinstall - that would be a realy great thing | 16:15 |
| flexxxv | Aquarina: dont you think debian inside of a chroot enviroment is better? | 16:16 |
| Aquarina | (I'd love to have a minimal system where I could install just what I'd need) | 16:16 |
| flexxxv | do some search on talk.maemo.org . It should be somwhere there | 16:17 |
| Aquarina | flexxxv: hum... that would add more need for storage space on top of maemo | 16:17 |
| Aquarina | flexxxv: did you manage to have debian booting from internal card, as oposed to external card? | 16:18 |
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| flexxxv | that is some time ago... If I remember right you can change the bootmenu to start from the internal card | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I doubt it has anything to do with this variable | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Should I explain why it crashed, just to prevent repeats ? =) | 16:19 |
| Aquarina | I already did that, I installed mer on another card and booted from it | 16:20 |
| Aquarina | I think it would be easy to change from one option to the other, but as far as I know, I couldn't have installed mer on internal card | 16:21 |
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| Aquarina | I don't realy undestand why but I think it had something to do with the bootloader | 16:22 |
| flexxxv | Aquarina: I think you can the bootmenu | 16:23 |
| flexxxv | Aquarina: I think you can change the bootmenu | 16:24 |
| flexxxv | btw: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20053 | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, cause mafw takes a const GValue pointer? | 16:26 |
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| flexxxv | I'm trying to compile goldendict in scratchbox. I get this error: http://pastebin.com/4N2Uedtp here is the code http://pastebin.com/C8qGsHDB | 16:29 |
| flexxxv | greektranslit.cc:1: error: stray '\357' in program | 16:29 |
| Aquarina | I'm afraid I fell off from irc | 16:30 |
| Aquarina | :-( | 16:30 |
| Aquarina | damn web client | 16:30 |
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| Aquarina | flexxxv: thanks :-) | 16:33 |
| Aquarina | ups! | 16:33 |
| Aquarina | I meant SpeedEvil | 16:33 |
| eusou444 | hi maemo developers, I am new here | 16:33 |
| Aquarina | so... where was I? | 16:34 |
| dashavoo | hi eusou444 - I'm a lurker here ;) | 16:34 |
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| eusou444 | there are so many people here | 16:37 |
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| Aquarina | ok, I can't seem to find easydebian page with instructions!... | 16:39 |
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| Aquarina | well... I'll have to go | 16:41 |
| Aquarina | thk u guys | 16:41 |
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| flexxxv | Aquarina: package should be in some of the extras repos | 16:42 |
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| koala_man | when browsing some page, can I zoom in and have the browser fit the contents to the new width? | 16:43 |
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| MohammadAG | CTRL+SHIFT+I | 16:44 |
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| koala_man | MohammadAG: when I do that, the url bar just opens and gets focus | 16:47 |
| koala_man | I mapped shift-backspace to esc, maybe that messed it up | 16:49 |
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| eusou444 | I have a problem with my SDK in networking conection. It was unable to connect to internet when WLAN of my work. But in my home there is no problem. | 16:50 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, i hate Orange | 16:55 |
| ZogG | those bitches need to die | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, hmm? | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | Pedophone isn't any better | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | Pelephone* | 16:56 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, do you have fanatic maybe? =) | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | koala_man, no ideas, it works for me :( | 16:56 |
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| AsiQue | I second MohammadAG on that! | 16:56 |
| ZogG | *jocking* | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | AsiQue, you're from IL? | 16:57 |
| AsiQue | yep | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | your IP range is the same as mine... | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 16:57 |
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| AsiQue | :-) i'll take it as a compliement | 16:57 |
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| AsiQue | *it -> that | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | you're on orange too? | 16:58 |
| AsiQue | pelephone... | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 16:58 |
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| AsiQue | hate them! | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, did you notice they changed the network name to orange? (from IL Orange) | 16:58 |
| AsiQue | MohammadAG i think you asked him already... | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | he never answered :P | 16:59 |
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| MohammadAG | AsiQue, my dad has Pelephone | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | on an iPhone | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | it barely gets a bar | 16:59 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG nope i have custom name | 16:59 |
| ZogG | damn i wanted iphone4 from nov just to sell it and get student discount | 17:00 |
| ZogG | but still no iphones | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | how come? | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | I wanted him to get a Galaxy S | 17:00 |
| ZogG | and now i can't jailbreak 4.3 | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | but it was sold out | 17:00 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, i can take galaxy but more chanes i sell iphone | 17:00 |
| AsiQue | well they have Galaxy S now | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | ZogG, why can't you jailbreak 4.3? | 17:01 |
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| ZogG | crashanddie is their jailbreak for it alreadY? | 17:01 |
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| crashanddie | yeah | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | yes, afaik | 17:01 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Sn0wbreeze_23_Jailbreaks_iOS_43_Running_Devices/551-114804-580.html | 17:02 |
| AsiQue | MohammadAG: i actually have good reception with them... although they have some dead spots... | 17:02 |
| crashanddie | "It is a tethered jailbreak so it requires a Windows PC every time you wish to reboot your device" | 17:02 |
| alterego | Hahah | 17:03 |
| alterego | That is hilarious :) | 17:03 |
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| crashanddie | alterego, when was 4.3 released? | 17:03 |
| alterego | Someone should write N900 iOS 4.3 jailbreaker now | 17:03 |
| alterego | Then all the iPhone 4 owners will buy an N900 and end up prefering it in the end .. muahahaha | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | Highly doubt it, lol | 17:04 |
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| crashanddie | I've had more fun with my iPod touch in 2 weeks than with my n900 in 2 years... | 17:04 |
| ZogG | pelephoned stoled money from me when i was soldier | 17:05 |
| AsiQue | ZogG how? | 17:05 |
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| sivang | hi all | 17:05 |
| ZogG | AsiQue, i got about 10 hours for 100 shekels or something discount | 17:06 |
| sivang | anybody knows if Candle 1.0 app by offscreen technologies is open source? | 17:06 |
| sivang | I want to reuse the candle vidoes | 17:06 |
| ZogG | and as i was at course i could talk only at 1 hour break once a day | 17:06 |
| eusou444 | someone knows if there is a commercial LCD glasses via bluetoth ? I'm planning to use that with n900 and maemo. | 17:06 |
| ZogG | which mostly i didn't | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, you high or something? :P | 17:06 |
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| ZogG | but i got bills like i was talking over 15 hours | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, no, why? | 17:07 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, you can't have fun with an iPod, at least not without apps | 17:07 |
| ZogG | as well as i closes number and left only with orange i got regular bill at orange | 17:07 |
| ZogG | had 2 phones | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, been having plenty of fun with HTML5 apps | 17:07 |
| AsiQue | ZogG, Strange... what did they say? | 17:07 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG, and developing with the gyroscope, w/e | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, give QML a chance | 17:08 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, what do you think of app tp get info from orange of time you talked, sms sent, internet data and so on? | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, no API? | 17:09 |
| deno | guys do you know if CONFIG_MUSB_PIO_ONLY is enabled by default in the kernel? | 17:09 |
| deno | I mean, dma is enabled in the maemo kernel? | 17:09 |
| deno | (by default) | 17:09 |
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| ZogG | anyone tried new nitdroid? | 17:11 |
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| AsiQue | there is a new one? | 17:12 |
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| flexxxv | anyone an Idea why I get "greektranslit.cc:1: error: stray '\357' in program" under scratchbox enviroment? | 17:15 |
| ZogG | AsiQue, they gave me 10 papers of calls with numbers i did, how the F i would check? | 17:15 |
| flexxxv | its working when compiling normally | 17:15 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, i dunno, i'll email orange | 17:15 |
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| flexxxv | here the complete error: http://pastebin.com/4N2Uedtp codeis here http://pastebin.com/C8qGsHDB | 17:16 |
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| AsiQue | ZogG, strange... so in orange it's all good? | 17:17 |
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| ZogG | AsiQue, was | 17:17 |
| ZogG | till i pay too much now | 17:17 |
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| AsiQue | ZogG, are u reffering the nitdroied build from 2 months ago...? | 17:18 |
| AsiQue | ZogG, so what now... cellcome? | 17:18 |
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| sivang | AsiQue: bah don't say this word in this esteemed channel | 17:23 |
| sivang | orange for the win, although they kill my money spin | 17:23 |
| AsiQue | lol | 17:23 |
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| * sivang mailed offscreen people | 17:24 | |
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| MohammadAG | tbh | 17:24 |
| sivang | hey MohammadAG , are you running for council ? | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | all 3 operators suck, orange sucks least | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, nah, not much time in the coming months | 17:25 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: damn right | 17:25 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: How is school and stuff? | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | that's exactly why I don't have time :P | 17:25 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: :) | 17:25 |
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| MohammadAG | I feel like releasing v0.1 of my mediaplayer | 17:26 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: please do, QML based right? | 17:27 |
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| MohammadAG | no | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | it has QML parts, but it's pure Qt for the rest | 17:28 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: nice, so you caught on C++ on the go? | 17:28 |
| Sc0rpius | I want to test that too | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, yes | 17:29 |
| sivang | (/me lols at the 'on the go' phrase) | 17:29 |
| Sc0rpius | geez I would even want to get rid of the stock media player if I could | 17:29 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: so what do you need school for? | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, you're not a noob, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer | 17:29 |
| Sc0rpius | I thought the source was closed "so far" | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, lol how would I find a job without a certificate | 17:29 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: oh please :) | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, rewrite | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | what? :P | 17:30 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: but you're right, actually. Especially if you want to someday move to someplace normal like the EU :-p | 17:30 |
| GAN900 | Normal? EU? | 17:31 |
| sivang | GAN900: remember where we come from :) | 17:31 |
| sivang | GAN900: all a matter of perspectiv | 17:31 |
| sivang | e | 17:31 |
| GAN900 | sivang, yeah, fair enough. | 17:31 |
| sivang | hehe | 17:31 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: study hard, my friend so you won't turn like me. | 17:32 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: code will always be written and bit rot. A degree is for life | 17:32 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: it is easy to get development jobs in TLV without a degree, but then it is just as easy to lose the :) | 17:33 |
| sivang | *them | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 17:33 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: I realized that Accelerate C++ is probably the worst book on C++ ever written for seasoned developers like me, so I switched to Herbert Schildt and I profit. | 17:34 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: not to mention TLV's work scene is one big mad house in terms of no planing, crazy deadlines and unorganized schedule. | 17:34 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I used to work for Animation Lab in Jerusalem, the renovated govmt. money printer building. | 17:35 |
| timeless_w7ip | sivang: s/planing/planning/ | 17:35 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: Beit Lehem road or something | 17:35 |
| GAN900 | Move to the US. :P | 17:35 |
| Sc0rpius | wow C++ | 17:35 |
| sivang | timeless_w7ip: oh you again! :) | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | I thought you were in the EU tbh | 17:35 |
| AsiQue | sivang. try Practical C++ Programming | 17:35 |
| timeless_w7ip | sivang: i'm only passing by | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, C++ isn't that bad | 17:35 |
| Sc0rpius | I have way too much of a long time without programming in C++ | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | at least with Qt | 17:35 |
| GAN900 | It's too bad immigration and customs is so idiotic here. | 17:35 |
| ZogG | sivang, get me job =) | 17:35 |
| Sc0rpius | all OO I have done lately is either Java or C# (.NET) | 17:36 |
| ZogG | not coding something more easier =) | 17:36 |
| sivang | ZogG: I lost mine, I can't help others :) | 17:36 |
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| MohammadAG | I kinda like C, but Qt's C++ and I find that way more productive | 17:36 |
| AsiQue | sivang looking for one? | 17:36 |
| sivang | GAN900: my N8 just got detained for 8 days in custom :-) | 17:36 |
| sivang | GAN900: my seoncd term forum nokia champion gift | 17:36 |
| sivang | GAN900: 8 whole days | 17:37 |
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| MohammadAG | don't feel bad | 17:37 |
| sivang | GAN900: it flew from Espoo to here in just less then 24 hours! | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | same happened with the N900 | 17:37 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: yes, it happened last year as well! | 17:37 |
| sivang | :) | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | customs suck | 17:37 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: especially ours.. | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, 34% on my N900 wasn't nice | 17:37 |
| sivang | AsiQue: interestig - what's your work mode? | 17:37 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: same here.. | 17:38 |
| AsiQue | my n900 wasn't delayed... had it labeld as mobile computer | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | so they taxed you 17% | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 17:38 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: You are also a champion ? should be IMHO | 17:38 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: yes, as if I bought it | 17:38 |
| AsiQue | sivang: embedded progrmming + fpga's, we are looking for another team member... | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | if you didn't buy it, you don't pay tax | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | or customs | 17:39 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: no use in crying saying it is not for porfit but to write cross platforms QML tutorials...:/ | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | and no, I'm not a champion | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | but I did request a DDP, didn't get charged for it | 17:39 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: as per http://wiki.meego.com/Qt_across_(Maemo-)MeeGo_%26_Symbian | 17:39 |
| ZogG | AsiQue, what company? | 17:39 |
| * MohammadAG thanks Nokia | 17:39 | |
| AsiQue | sivang DSIT | 17:39 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I did the same, still had to pay since the value they decided it has is higher then market value inside .IL | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | wtf | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | the DDP had 7xx NIS tax on it, but they didn't make me pay it | 17:40 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: you know I paid for the first ever ubuntu cds to enter IL ? | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | why pay for Ubuntu CDs? :P | 17:40 |
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| MohammadAG | I got taxed for books once | 17:41 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: the bearded guy at custom said I am going to sell them and that I am lying. | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:41 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: to get them into .IL | 17:41 |
| sivang | the warty cds! | 17:41 |
| AsiQue | lol ZogG, DSIT | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, but why not download ISOs? | 17:41 |
| sivang | thanks AsiQue , can I log on a web site? | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | they're free anyway | 17:41 |
| sivang | AsiQue: do you follow a methodology ? | 17:41 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: they did not buy it./ | 17:41 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: they said that noboy is going to gove 300cds for free | 17:42 |
| AsiQue | sivang, didn't understand the first question.... | 17:42 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: but Hamakor compensated me with honorary membership for that. | 17:42 |
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| AsiQue | sivang, actually not... it's a small group with alot of work... beed trying to get things into order... | 17:42 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: for the 150nis I paid back in 2004 | 17:42 |
| sivang | AsiQue: how many hours of work a day? I take its a startup? | 17:43 |
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| ZogG | AsiQue, no need in stupid noobies in computer sphere, maybe linux junior admin or something or QA? | 17:43 |
| AsiQue | sivang, no it's not a startup... the rt group is small, were something like 30 ppl in the hw / sw field... | 17:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | sivang: were you missing proper documentation of ownership? or did they claim it hadn't been tested+approved? | 17:44 |
| sivang | AsiQue: I can offer you a sacrifice for thought in advance: http://conference2010.meego.com/session/creating-first-choice-open-source-mobile-platform-learning-mistakes-past-and-beyond | 17:44 |
| AsiQue | ZogG, no sorry,,,, we've got that coverd | 17:45 |
| sivang | AsiQue: sounds nice, got a job description and required qualifications? | 17:45 |
| sivang | timeless_w7ip: no and no. they claimed there is no way I am not going to make profit out of it. | 17:45 |
| AsiQue | give me a sec... | 17:46 |
| sivang | timeless_w7ip: canonical sent letters, phones were exchanged etc | 17:46 |
| sivang | timeless_w7ip: nothing helped. | 17:46 |
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| sivang | workrave is angry. be back in 10 minutes | 17:46 |
| ZogG | AsiQue =( | 17:46 |
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| ZogG | AsiQue hard to get job with no experience for student nowdays =( | 17:47 |
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| AsiQue | ZogG: yeha i know... a friend of mine tried to find a job some months ago... took him ages... (he just finished a math degree) | 17:48 |
| AsiQue | sivang.... so meggo is pronounced... meeeeegoooo.... cool :-) | 17:49 |
| AsiQue | sivang, listening to the lecture... :-) | 17:49 |
| Jartza | me go. to tampere -> | 17:50 |
| ZogG | AsiQue i'm failing on second year of software ing as i do not have enuf time to study | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if I could get a job :P | 17:51 |
| AsiQue | ZogG, why don't you have time? | 17:52 |
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| ZogG | AsiQue i work a lot ans shitty shifts so when i do have ime i just fall asleep | 17:53 |
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| ShadowJK | I hope N9 will have a a tinkerbell emmc :( | 17:56 |
| ZogG | it will have nothing =) | 17:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | tinkerbell? | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | what N9? | 17:57 |
| ZogG | he means magic | 17:57 |
| ZogG | just kids around here | 17:58 |
| ZogG | n950 | 17:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | mohammadag: a pair of random letters | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_w7ip, thought so | 17:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | which hypothetically could conform to an outdated nokia model schema | 17:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | i don't have an n8, i have an n8-00 | 17:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | so i'd expect there shouldn't be an n9 :) | 17:58 |
| AsiQue | ZogG... where do you study? | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | N9-00? | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 17:58 |
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| ZogG | maybe over9000n would have mmc | 17:59 |
| ShadowJK | "Indilinx has new controller technology, called Tinkerbell, which is a high-performance e.MMC" ... "transfer data at 104MB/sec, at Double Data Rate, for both sequential and random I/Os" | 18:00 |
| AsiQue | sivang.... can we go private? | 18:00 |
| ZogG | AsiQue afeka | 18:01 |
| ShadowJK | 104MB/s is somewhat more than the ~80 kbyte/s N900's emmc does :) | 18:01 |
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| AsiQue | ZogG, cool... 2nd year from 4 right? | 18:01 |
| timeless_w7ip | mohammadag: well, that would be consistent with nokia's latest versioning trend | 18:01 |
| timeless_w7ip | or maybe it was the trend 6 months ago | 18:01 |
| ZogG | AsiQue don't touch sivang in unproper places | 18:01 |
| timeless_w7ip | sometimes i think they change trends more often than they ship products :) | 18:02 |
| AsiQue | :-) | 18:02 |
| ZogG | improper* | 18:02 |
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| sivang | AsiQue: yes, I was in a workrave break | 18:10 |
| timeless_w7ip | grr | 18:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | someone signed timeless@gmail up for tickets to a BBC show | 18:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | (as Tim) | 18:11 |
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| sivang | timeless_w7ip: lol | 18:11 |
| sivang | timeless_w7ip: maybe the same guy who uses the same nick you told me about in Dublin ? | 18:12 |
| sivang | AsiQue: btw, the guy with the jokes and the funny stuff in that talk is timeless_w7ip :) | 18:13 |
| AsiQue | ohh cool | 18:13 |
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| sivang | timeless_w7ip: I just wanted to say, when network-manager screws you. Use W7 with joikuspot. network manager seems to not like joikuspot too much; re: w7ip nick | 18:16 |
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| * ShadowJK likes to call it notworkmanager | 18:17 | |
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| sivang | ShadowJK: just like holdon-app-manager? ;) | 18:26 |
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| ShadowJK | luckily I only use appmanager once a month :) | 18:27 |
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| sivang | timeless_w7ip: projects@FN load balancer is acting up :/ | 18:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | andre__: i didn't feel like saying it, but that's the right conclusion | 18:37 |
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| timeless_w7ip | the browser team to the extent it exists is interested in Fennec | 18:37 |
| andre__ | timeless_w7ip, I'm fine with saying it ;-) | 18:38 |
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| timeless_w7ip | :) | 18:40 |
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| eichi | is there a way to see the sms from sql database with human readable time and date? | 18:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | eichi: beyond the browser interface and just speaking sqlite? | 18:54 |
| eichi | sqlite | 18:54 |
| eichi | there is a strange time_send etc. format | 18:55 |
| eichi | is this unix time? | 18:55 |
| crashanddie | rtfm? | 18:55 |
| eichi | where? | 18:56 |
| eichi | dont thinks, this is in the original n900 user manual | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | what's the format, exactly? | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | Because last I checked, it was simple sqlite datetime or something | 18:57 |
| eichi | 1295609211 | 18:57 |
| eichi | is a time | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:26:51 GMT | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ | 18:58 |
| eichi | and how to calculate this? | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | I give up | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | learn to RTFM. | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | man date ; >>%s seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | more helpful: man sqlite3 | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that's not one of the friggin berkley db | 19:05 |
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| hillbicks | good evening everyone | 19:33 |
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| hillbicks | anyone here familiar with the queen beecon widget, specifically the gps funtion? i read 45 pages of the thread and couldn't even find a question about it. tbh, I can't make much of the wiki description for this function as it merely points to the location api page. So, any hint in the right direction is very much appreciated | 19:40 |
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| haj | morn | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /o\ >>> 2:35 (approximately) CNN Reports that a 3km evacuation zone has been declared around a second nuclear facility that is approximately 30km south of Fukushima plant. No further details were provided.<<< | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I thought that's Fukushima-II ~20km South of Fuku-I | 19:54 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: haven't they already got a >3km evacuation zone? | 19:54 |
| jacekowski | they did | 19:55 |
| jacekowski | now they expanded it | 19:55 |
| Aquarina | hi again, is someone aware of a page explaining how to install easydebian on n810? | 19:56 |
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| Macer | japan is doomed | 19:58 |
| Macer | right now a meltdown might help if the reactor just goes straight down and keeps going | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 19:58 |
| Macer | then has the molten rock melt closed behind it | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I suggested yesterday they should actively initiate core discharge *now* rather than waiting till it burns thru the floor and nobody has _any_ control over the situation | 20:00 |
| Macer | seriously. | 20:00 |
| BCMM | Macer: groundwater. | 20:00 |
| BCMM | and soluble thigs | 20:00 |
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| BCMM | ^things | 20:00 |
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| Macer | BCMM: it will go right through that. i a week or so the ground water will be fine | 20:00 |
| Macer | i/in | 20:00 |
| Macer | :) | 20:00 |
| BCMM | Macer: there is absolutely totally no way that would happen without radioactive iodine dissolving in the groundwater | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: BS | 20:00 |
| BCMM | i mean, lots of it | 20:00 |
| Macer | heh. well i figure ground water flows... so won't it just flush out? | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | otoh ground water at shore usually is salty and not usable | 20:01 |
| Macer | just drink bottled water :) | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and tends to flow from land to sea | 20:02 |
| BCMM | also, between breaching containment and melting through the floor (if it does such a thing), the melt will most likely *catch fire* | 20:02 |
| Macer | bccmexplosions are the problem... and atmosphere release | 20:02 |
| BCMM | catch fire == atmospheric release | 20:02 |
| Macer | BCMM: so ..... :) | 20:02 |
| Macer | why? if it goes through the containment building floor....? | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | (land to sea) unless of course they are pumping up so much of it for tapwater, that the sea water pushes in landward to replace the loss (happening in all spain) | 20:03 |
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| Macer | the containment building filters radioative materials.. so a "fire" would be contained as it melts and creates molten rock around it | 20:04 |
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| * javispedro doesn't drink seawater.. | 20:04 | |
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| Macer | i am sure the molten rock might work well for convection. as lont as the rods are in decay heat will go away sooner or later | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: again BS | 20:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | javispedro: do you eat fish? | 20:05 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: flowing ground water might help :) | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: which rods? in a molten gue of 3000°C and critical mass? that's the major problem of a coremelt: it tends to start chain reaction again | 20:06 |
| BCMM | Macer: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/BWR_Mark_I_Containment,_cutaway.jpg | 20:06 |
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| BCMM | Macer: stuff somehow burrowing into the ground straight from the red thing? | 20:07 |
| Macer | goo | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/gue/goo/. | 20:07 |
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| Macer | heh | 20:08 |
| Macer | gue is a nicer sounding word tho :) | 20:08 |
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| Macer | sounds like g-ew | 20:09 |
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| BCMM | also, the groundwater isn't "flushing" stuff into the centre of the earth or something | 20:09 |
| BCMM | it's all still gotta go somewhere | 20:09 |
| Proteous | eaten by a grue | 20:09 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: though previous examples prove that even in cases of large part of the fuel melting, fission tends not to happen (mostly because it also melts with metal, concrete, etc.) | 20:09 |
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| javispedro | by previous examples I mean TMI and Chernobyl, even. | 20:09 |
| javispedro | timeless_w7ip: Yes :) | 20:10 |
| Macer | BCMM: so a few whales die | 20:10 |
| Macer | :) | 20:10 |
| BCMM | javispedro: presumably, the control rods would end up in the melt too, moderating the neutron flux | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | fill up concrete pool under reactor with sand and borax, "pull plug" of containment so all the molten material can exit of containment as it melts down, not collect to a 70 tons blob of whiteglowing 3000° molten critical pulp | 20:10 |
| javispedro | sadly, that is expensive to clean. | 20:11 |
| javispedro | if containment keeps you're talking about a 30 year few million project. | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | few billion you mean | 20:12 |
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| javispedro | no, few million. | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | for now they still are in danger of a pressurized coremelt, which doesn't end as a china syndrome but rather like a small nuke explosion | 20:13 |
| RST38h | Doc,javispedro: folks, do not make a mistake of playing nuclear engineers not having any background | 20:14 |
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| * javispedro does have a slight background in reactor retirement... | 20:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: uhuh, so they sanitized ThreMiles with a few million? Darn our technicians here in Germany are idiots, each of the Nuke plants we dismantled so far cost a few billion | 20:15 |
| timeless_w7ip | doc: inflation :) | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and those were in "perfect condition" when dismantling | 20:16 |
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| javispedro | well, the entire budget for the dismantling of a plant that is at around 30 km from here was 200 million euro (not adjusted) | 20:16 |
| RST38h | Doc: This is not idiocy. This is wise application of federal funds. | 20:17 |
| javispedro | and it wasn't in "perfect" condition, it was dismantled because of a INES level 3 "incident" | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, lives are cheap where you live, aren't they? | 20:17 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the plan is that on less than 15 years there will be no building and/or measurable radiation level left; so far, they're on plan... | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | ironic that my mediaplayer starts faster even on a clean device (out of the box - 9 songs or so) | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | generally dismantling of a nuklear facility with severe contamination (if only of PV, turbines, all the other 'expected' 'hot' items) is significantly more expensive than building the crap | 20:19 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: wow... how? | 20:20 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: and is that as the first Qt application run since boot? | 20:20 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: i call hax | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, yes | 20:20 |
| ZogG | KaKaRoTo, you are here as well? | 20:21 |
| ZogG | o_O | 20:21 |
| KaKaRoTo | ZogG, obviously... | 20:21 |
| kerio | isn't the media player just a bit of glue between mafw and tracker? | 20:21 |
| ZogG | khertan | 20:21 |
| ZogG | After playing with #QML for the next Khweeteur version, i ll revert to QWidget. Too slow and use too much memory ! | 20:21 |
| ZogG | hmm | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, mafw, only the stock player glues like an idiot to tracker | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you can use 30 tons of C4 and then point at the pile of rocks and say "look, now it's dismantled. Mission accomplished" - this probably actually can be done with a few millions | 20:22 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: oh, so that's why yours is better | 20:22 |
| kerio | i called it | 20:22 |
| kerio | hax! | 20:22 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: not only that but contamination also lengthens the process | 20:22 |
| ShadowJK | pour concrete into the building, and then some, call it dismantled | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, have fun laughing http://i55.tinypic.com/ot0r5g.jpg | 20:22 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: which is one of the reasons it might be desirable to release a few radiation before starting the "pour concrete all over the place" plan. | 20:22 |
| Venemo | good evening | 20:23 |
| kerio | tracker is speschul! | 20:23 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, lol!? | 20:23 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ShadowJK: (C4, concrete) no western country does that, not in the current climate at least ;) | 20:24 |
| javispedro | china, on the other side... | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | stock player fails at getting info due to heavy dependancies on tracker | 20:24 |
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| MohammadAG | (randomly of course) | 20:25 |
| Venemo | heh | 20:25 |
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| MohammadAG | you can see both are handling mafe (same number of songs, same position) | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | My advice from beginning: implement mediaplayer in a way it works even completely without tracker installed on system. When that's accomplished, ponder how to add in some tracker support that doesn't break things when tracker acts up (what it usually does) | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | mafw works without tracker | 20:29 |
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| MohammadAG | idk how, but it does | 20:29 |
| RST38h | Doc <-- speaks the truth | 20:31 |
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| dangergrrl | for my next fun and exciting task | 20:34 |
| dangergrrl | i want the maemo dev tools installed on sabayon which means i'll be using gentoo portage | 20:35 |
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| dangergrrl | my nets are down again today, glad i got tethering working yesterday; using wvdial | 20:35 |
| javispedro | if you're talking about scratchbox, this is no fun, it is mostly self contained. | 20:35 |
| javispedro | *scratchbox1 | 20:36 |
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| dangergrrl | it looked like a custom scratchbox version that at least isn't supported by sabayon maybe not gentoo either | 20:37 |
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| dangergrrl | no idea why wvdial works and the gnome networking tools don't but i have something working so i don't care :) | 20:37 |
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| javispedro | "supported"? sb1 even brings its own libc to the table. it needs virtually _nothing_ save a shell from the distro. | 20:38 |
| dangergrrl | for one it's dialing a different number, *99***1# instead of *99# | 20:38 |
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| RST38h | http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-192554-galleryV9-pmvt.jpg | 20:42 |
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| RST38h | Behold: #3 at the front, #4 at the back | 20:42 |
| pupnik | ? | 20:42 |
| pupnik | i wonder if anybody has ever bombed a running nuclear reactor | 20:42 |
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| RST38h | pupnik:No, not yet | 20:43 |
| RST38h | Actually, I am wrong, someone has: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard | 20:43 |
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| pupnik | you're still wrong | 20:48 |
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| timeless_w7ip | javispedro: sometimes it needs a compiler (if you want to build sb1 yourself..) | 21:09 |
| javispedro | good point | 21:09 |
| javispedro | though if you want to built it , | 21:09 |
| javispedro | last time I had to find debian sarge cds ;) | 21:09 |
| javispedro | (though afaik this been's improved since hathor release) | 21:09 |
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| Aquarina | could someone please tell me that there are a lot of people working on having a working and patched maemo for n810 devices? | 21:17 |
| Aquarina | pleeeese?.... | 21:18 |
| Aquarina | :-( | 21:18 |
| pupnik | patched for what | 21:18 |
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| pupnik | works | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, my N810 says "maemo Linux based OS2008 Version: 5.2008.43-7" - and I always thought it kinda works | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Aquarina: so yes, if that makes you happy: "~267.000 developers are working on having a working and patched maemo for n810 devices" | 21:23 |
| Aquarina | DocScrutinizer, great! | 21:24 |
| Aquarina | just what I wanted to know | 21:24 |
| Aquarina | now... I don't see much appening on maemo site | 21:24 |
| Aquarina | :-) | 21:25 |
| Aquarina | as far as I know, maemo is very similar to debian except there may be some kernel patches, right? | 21:25 |
| Aquarina | here's what I'm looking for: | 21:26 |
| Aquarina | make my device multiuser | 21:26 |
| Aquarina | export the display | 21:26 |
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| Aquarina | configure iptables and have it share internet connection | 21:26 |
| Aquarina | those are the most importante ones | 21:27 |
| Aquarina | (asside from having an enervating bug on gnumeric fixed, which I cannot do) | 21:28 |
| Aquarina | can someone help me on that? | 21:28 |
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| Aquarina | oh!... and have it update | 21:30 |
| Aquarina | ! | 21:30 |
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| Aquarina | pupnik, sorry, I didn't see your line there | 21:32 |
| Aquarina | patched for security fixes and so on | 21:32 |
| Aquarina | allways "no updates available"! | 21:33 |
| pupnik | hnm | 21:33 |
| Aquarina | I know: we're so damn good that there are no bugs... | 21:33 |
| Aquarina | :-) | 21:33 |
| pupnik | not much interest in newer kernels and stuff | 21:33 |
| Aquarina | but if I ssh into it and do an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade.. | 21:34 |
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| Aquarina | something wrong happends, which I don't recall anymore | 21:34 |
| Aquarina | wait | 21:34 |
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| pupnik | i think some folks are updating their packages | 21:35 |
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| rm_work | i haven't touched my stuff on Maemo4 in... since Maemo5 :P | 21:35 |
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| rm_work | of course it pretty much worked perfectly by that time, was just working on feature requests | 21:36 |
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| Aquarina | hum... | 21:37 |
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| Aquarina | just doing it now: | 21:37 |
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| Aquarina | signatures could not be verified | 21:37 |
| Aquarina | let's apt-get upgrade | 21:37 |
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| Aquarina | x11-common is being kept back | 21:38 |
| Aquarina | why?! | 21:38 |
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| rm_work | well | 21:39 |
| Aquarina | also, how do I update my keychain? | 21:39 |
| rm_work | if you type "apt-get install x11-common" it will tell you what other packages it depends on that aren't going to be installed for some reason | 21:39 |
| Aquarina | ok | 21:39 |
| Aquarina | let's do that | 21:40 |
| rm_work | but i wouldn't recommend forcing it | 21:40 |
| rm_work | because if you say "yes, install this" it will probably break something | 21:40 |
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| rm_work | there's usually some reason it's holding stuff back, and with x11 it's kind of a big one to take chances on :p | 21:40 |
| Aquarina | x11-common: Depends: debianutils (>= 1.13) | 21:40 |
| Aquarina | should I try to install debianutils? | 21:41 |
| rm_work | apt-cache policy debianutils | 21:41 |
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| Aquarina | installed: none; candidate: 2.17 | 21:42 |
| Aquarina | should be ok | 21:42 |
| Proteous | famous last words | 21:43 |
| Proteous | soon followed by, why does it not booooooooottttt | 21:43 |
| Aquarina | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 21:44 |
| Aquarina | debianutils: PreDepends: coreutils (>= 4.5.8-1) | 21:44 |
| Aquarina | PreDepends: mktemp | 21:44 |
| Aquarina | hildon-initscripts: Depends: osso-af-startup but it is not going to be installed | 21:44 |
| Aquarina | :-$ | 21:44 |
| Aquarina | Proteous, are you vaticinating something? | 21:44 |
| Aquarina | :-) | 21:44 |
| Aquarina | er... does "vaticinating" exist? | 21:44 |
| Aquarina | :-$ | 21:45 |
| Aquarina | rm_work, what should I do? think it's dangerous to go ahead and install coreutils and mktemp? | 21:46 |
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| rm_work | probably another reason why they aren't installed | 21:46 |
| Proteous | vaticinationg? To Vaticinate? | 21:47 |
| rm_work | the dependency tree in Maemo4 has gotten a bit broken <_< | 21:47 |
| rm_work | you can try | 21:47 |
| rm_work | worst case, you have to reflash your device | 21:47 |
| rm_work | if you're ok with that, go for it | 21:47 |
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| Proteous | Vaticination: n. The act of prophesying. | 21:48 |
| Proteous | so yeas | 21:48 |
| Proteous | er, yes | 21:48 |
| Aquarina | er... | 21:48 |
| Aquarina | shoud not update x11? | 21:48 |
| timeless_xchat | -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_MESSAGES: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8): No such file or directory | 21:49 |
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| Aquarina | rm_work, I'm ok with that, I've done it, but not now... | 21:49 |
| Aquarina | I need it to work | 21:49 |
| timeless_xchat | anyone know how to make that go away? | 21:49 |
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| Aquarina | so... | 21:50 |
| Aquarina | what should I do? | 21:50 |
| Aquarina | do you guys have yours updated without thar error? | 21:50 |
| Aquarina | 1st: how do I update the apt-keys? | 21:51 |
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| Aquarina | anyone on how do I get the new keys»? | 21:54 |
| Aquarina | apt-get what?! | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict Vaticination | 21:55 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'Vaticination' (2): knowledge of the future (usually said to be obtained from a divine source) ;; \Va*tic`i*na"tion\, n. [L. vaticinatio.] Prediction; prophecy. [1913 Webster] It is not a false utterance; it is a true, though an impetuous, vaticination. --I. Taylor. [1913 Webster]. | 21:55 |
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| Aquarina | oh Proteous devine source: how do I meke my sources.list clean? | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_xchat: could this somehow be rekated to maemo fubar on true LANG=C, or maybe to your improved translations? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | related* | 21:58 |
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| timeless_xchat | docScrutinizer : the former, yeah | 22:01 |
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| timeless_xchat | ssh is helpfully forwarding those vars | 22:01 |
| timeless_xchat | and my destination box has no locales | 22:01 |
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| rm_work | Aquarina: i honestly haven't touched my n800 in like... at least a year | 22:05 |
| rm_work | Aquarina: i think most of your list of stuff just isn't going to happen, unless you do it yourself, but some of it i don't think is even possible | 22:06 |
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| rm_work | like, making an n810 a multi-user device isn't going to happen, at least not in the UI. you could let more than one person SSH in... but the UI will *always* run as "user" | 22:06 |
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| rm_work | unless you feel like rewriting almost the entirety of the UI, lol | 22:07 |
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| rm_work | did Mer ever work 100% on N810? | 22:07 |
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| timeless_xchat | why would someone want multiple users for a PDA? | 22:09 |
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| Aquarina | sorry, had to go take care of dinner | 22:10 |
| * timeless_xchat is eating dinner | 22:11 | |
| * mgedmin wouldn't mind a "guest mode" before giving his PDA for someone to play with/check out the UI -- though this doesn't necessarily require multiple users | 22:11 | |
| timeless_xchat | you can take your n900 out to dinner :) | 22:11 |
| Aquarina | timeless_xchat, to hand it to someone, to have your girlfriend use it without messing with your stuff... | 22:11 |
| Aquarina | lots of reasons | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | why would you hide something from your girlfriend? :P | 22:11 |
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| timeless_xchat | aquarina: would this other user be able to install stuff? | 22:12 |
| Aquarina | mgedmin, no? | 22:12 |
| Aquarina | mgedmin, please give me the solution | 22:12 |
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| Aquarina | timeless_xchat, not necessarily no | 22:12 |
| Aquarina | wouldn't be root | 22:13 |
| Aquarina | but... | 22:13 |
| timeless_xchat | so... | 22:13 |
| Aquarina | at least have some other username and home dir | 22:13 |
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| timeless_xchat | out of the box, most data is stored on FAT32 | 22:13 |
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| timeless_xchat | either because it's removable media | 22:14 |
| timeless_xchat | or because it's designed to plug into a usb host | 22:14 |
| pupnik | nice idea mgedmin | 22:14 |
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| held_ | any n800 users online? | 22:14 |
| timeless_xchat | to actually protect data | 22:15 |
| timeless_xchat | you'd have to encrypt it | 22:15 |
| timeless_xchat | on an n8x0, that won't be good for battery life | 22:15 |
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| Aquarina | hum... let's go one step at a time | 22:15 |
| timeless_xchat | nor would it be good for responsiveness | 22:15 |
| Aquarina | I can see that | 22:15 |
| timeless_xchat | good | 22:16 |
| timeless_xchat | let's ignore your data | 22:16 |
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| timeless_xchat | and consider settings | 22:16 |
| * SpeedEvil would like a pictbridge gadget too. | 22:16 | |
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| timeless_xchat | should a visitor be able to adjust the volume? | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | (for some reason my printer does not like my n900) | 22:16 |
| timeless_xchat | what about brightness? | 22:16 |
| Aquarina | yes | 22:16 |
| Aquarina | shure | 22:16 |
| Aquarina | why not? | 22:16 |
| BluesLee | the n800 had also a skype client right? | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Same as with X. | 22:16 |
| timeless_xchat | desktop applets? | 22:17 |
| timeless_xchat | blueslee: yes | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | If it locks, you get a 'pick user' screen. | 22:17 |
| timeless_xchat | how about the clock? | 22:17 |
| Aquarina | maybe I'm being naive, but I'd like to make it mimic a real computer | 22:17 |
| Aquarina | that's all | 22:17 |
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| timeless_xchat | aquarina: real computers don't walk away | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_xchat: laptops do. | 22:17 |
| timeless_xchat | and their brains aren't the size of a fingernail | 22:17 |
| BluesLee | timeless_xchat: can you upload your configuration file /etc/skyhost/skypevideocodecs.conf? | 22:18 |
| Aquarina | but they're too heavy to be caring around on a pe lesson | 22:18 |
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| Aquarina | or to go running with them, or biking... | 22:18 |
| timeless_xchat | blueslee : i'd have to walk home and turn one on | 22:19 |
| BluesLee | timeless_xchat: i am trying to get n900 <-> linux pc video call to work | 22:19 |
| BluesLee | anyone else with an n800? | 22:19 |
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| Aquarina | BluesLee, n810, but never used skype | 22:19 |
| Aquarina | ok, now... how do I get rid of apt-key errors? | 22:20 |
| BluesLee | Aquarina: was it build in software? | 22:20 |
| BluesLee | Aquarina: can you look up if there is a file /etc/skyhost/skypevideocodecs.conf? | 22:20 |
| Aquarina | sorry?! | 22:20 |
| timeless_xchat | blueslee : it was a standalone app iirc | 22:21 |
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| Aquarina | no | 22:21 |
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| Aquarina | there isn't | 22:21 |
| timeless_xchat | custom, but standalone | 22:21 |
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| BluesLee | how do i get a copy of it? | 22:21 |
| Aquarina | public keys are not available | 22:22 |
| BluesLee | timeless_xchat: maybe you can sent me a pn on tmo with the file? | 22:22 |
| Aquarina | how do I get them? | 22:22 |
| timeless_xchat | i don't do tmo | 22:22 |
| timeless_xchat | but i'm not even sure what you seek exists | 22:23 |
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| BluesLee | timeless_xchat: it exists on my n900 | 22:24 |
| Aquarina | next doubt: how do I export the display to my computer through ssh | 22:25 |
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| Aquarina | I did ssh -X .... | 22:26 |
| Aquarina | now... | 22:26 |
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| Aquarina | what's the terminal called?! | 22:26 |
| timeless_xchat | aquarina: s/doubt/question|concern/g | 22:26 |
| timeless_xchat | /usr/bin/osso-xterm | 22:27 |
| timeless_xchat | ... you doubt the certainty of a statement | 22:27 |
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| timeless_xchat | when you have a question, you have a question | 22:27 |
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| timeless_xchat | when you are concerned, you have one (or more) concern(s) | 22:28 |
| Aquarina | timeless_xchat, tks | 22:28 |
| Aquarina | ok | 22:28 |
| timeless_xchat | when in doubt (about the certainty of whether you should use "doubt"), assume you shouldn't | 22:28 |
| Aquarina | sshed into the device with -X option, but nothing apeared on my screen | 22:29 |
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| Deele | Hello ladies and gents | 22:29 |
| Deele | Suggest me best place to ask for replacement part - Lens Glass Cover, for N810 | 22:30 |
| Aquarina | the terminal apears on the device screen | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Deele: errr, I doubt there is any way tlo get that as a single part | 22:31 |
| timeless_xchat | aquarina: yeah | 22:31 |
| timeless_xchat | because most apps cheat | 22:31 |
| timeless_xchat | they're actually a launcher | 22:31 |
| timeless_xchat | which talks to a daemon | 22:31 |
| Deele | DocScrutinizer, I saw only full front cover, but it costs too much (http://tinyurl.com/6d97j3j) | 22:31 |
| timeless_xchat | which forks and loads the actual app | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Deele: even that's amazing | 22:31 |
| Aquarina | omg! | 22:31 |
| timeless_xchat | you need to use run-standalone or -summoner / -invoker or something | 22:32 |
| timeless_xchat | google. .. | 22:32 |
| Aquarina | so... what ... | 22:32 |
| Aquarina | ok | 22:32 |
| Deele | DocScrutinizer, maybe someone has dead 810, with that part as spare... | 22:32 |
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| Aquarina | by the way: what is osso? | 22:32 |
| Aquarina | hildon | 22:32 |
| Aquarina | ? | 22:32 |
| Deele | I have only 770 dead :D | 22:32 |
| Deele | with that stupid WhiteScreenOfDeath | 22:32 |
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| Aquarina | never got my head around what's the mapping betwin that and x server/window manager/... | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe, but I again doubt those individuals would be willing to sell a 0.03g plastic chip | 22:33 |
| Deele | lol | 22:33 |
| Deele | maybe, they would give it for free :) | 22:33 |
| timeless_xchat | aquarina: google | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Deele: I'm even uncertain about whether it can get disassembled from front cover | 22:34 |
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| Deele | DocScrutinizer, it is sitting on my desk ATM :) I disasembled my nokia, took out that part, made a photo | 22:35 |
| timeless_xchat | osso was a division | 22:35 |
| timeless_xchat | hildon was a toolkit | 22:35 |
| timeless_xchat | a window manager manages windows | 22:35 |
| Aquarina | er... | 22:35 |
| timeless_xchat | an x server serves x clients. offering drawing primitives and input events | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Deele: you'd for sure have to buy a complete broken N810 and disassemble yourself. Nobody is going to sell a broken N810 by the plastic chip | 22:35 |
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| Aquarina | timeless_xchat, so ildon is what on a desktop computer? gtk? | 22:36 |
| Aquarina | for example? | 22:36 |
| timeless_xchat | hildon is a gtk derivative | 22:37 |
| Aquarina | (I'm not a programmer, so...) | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | "ebay: button power, plastic, 0.004g. Buy now: 60ct -- also see my other 758 auctions with unique N810 spare parts" LOL | 22:37 |
| timeless_xchat | gtk is a toolkit | 22:37 |
| Aquarina | ok | 22:37 |
| Aquarina | hildon=gtk | 22:37 |
| timeless_xchat | hildon is gtk with replacement widget objects for mobile | 22:37 |
| Deele | DocScrutinizer, you said something about people not selling such a stuff? :DD I will see that in ebay | 22:37 |
| timeless_xchat | s/=/~/ | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Deele: that's been a hoax by me to show how silly that sounds | 22:38 |
| Aquarina | osso=what? | 22:38 |
| Aquarina | the window manager? | 22:38 |
| timeless_xchat | <timeless_xchat> osso was a division | 22:38 |
| Deele | DocScrutinizer, can you give me a link to that item? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Deele: that's been a hoax by me to show how silly that sounds | 22:39 |
| timeless_xchat | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3Adivision | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | open source specialforces Oslo | 22:40 |
| Aquarina | er... what you mean a division? some folks ... | 22:40 |
| Aquarina | hum... | 22:40 |
| Deele | DocScrutinizer, lol, I got it now :DD | 22:40 |
| Aquarina | didn't get it | 22:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Office for Seriously Silly Options | 22:41 |
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| Aquarina | Or Some Stupid Otherthing | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 22:42 |
| Aquarina | nevermind | 22:42 |
| timeless_xchat | aquarina: ... | 22:42 |
| timeless_xchat | a division is generally a group of people | 22:42 |
| Aquarina | I'm still googling for run-standalone | 22:42 |
| Aquarina | tryed it and nothing happened | 22:42 |
| Aquarina | what else was I supose to google?... | 22:43 |
| timeless_xchat | oddly enough, software is not deus ex nihilo | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | run-standalone.sh <yourapp> | 22:43 |
| Aquarina | I did that | 22:43 |
| Aquarina | the app still didn't show up on my computer | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | x-forward? | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | check your firewall on PC | 22:44 |
| Aquarina | no fw | 22:44 |
| Aquarina | xhost + | 22:44 |
| timeless_xchat | err | 22:44 |
| timeless_xchat | use ssh forwarding | 22:44 |
| timeless_xchat | don't mess with xhost | 22:45 |
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| Aquarina | I'm doing it | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | check DISPLAY setting | 22:45 |
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| Aquarina | on the device? | 22:45 |
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| timeless_xchat | in your ssh session | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's something kinky going on with ssh exporting the wrong DISPLAY on your behalf, or sth along that line - at least I seem to remember such reports | 22:47 |
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| Aquarina | display is :0.0 | 22:47 |
| pupnik | heh | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | generally you don't want to log in as root via ssh, to start&forward X, I'd guess | 22:47 |
| Aquarina | hum... | 22:48 |
| Aquarina | that's probably it | 22:48 |
| Aquarina | let's see... | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | root has no session bus, no session even | 22:49 |
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| Aquarina | grr... | 22:50 |
| Aquarina | can't log in as normal user | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe you want to drop some .ssh/authorized_keys there | 22:50 |
| timeless_xchat | add an ssh authorized_keys file for user | 22:50 |
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| Aquarina | hum... | 22:52 |
| Aquarina | ok | 22:52 |
| Aquarina | I have to go dinner | 22:52 |
| timeless_xchat | http://wiki.maemo.org/X_forwarding_over_ssh vaguely indicates you want to install xauth | 22:52 |
| Aquarina | tomorrow I'll try that | 22:52 |
| Aquarina | timeless_xchat, and shouldn't I? | 22:53 |
| * timeless_xchat shruga | 22:53 | |
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| * timeless_xchat shrugs | 22:53 | |
| * timeless_xchat would | 22:53 | |
| SpeedEvil | You can cheat. | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh in to n900 | 22:53 |
| timeless_xchat | sadly the other box i can reach doesn't have x11 | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh out to desktop, with X forwarding | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | run xauth on that | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 22:54 |
| timeless_xchat | which makes testing painful :) | 22:54 |
| Aquarina | that I can try now | 22:55 |
| timeless_xchat | speedevil : but i don't see how that helps | 22:55 |
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| Aquarina | I once been told that, I think I tryed it and it didn't work | 22:55 |
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| Aquarina | hehe | 22:56 |
| Aquarina | unable to open display "" | 22:57 |
| Aquarina | I'm going to eat a bull | 22:58 |
| Aquarina | thank you | 22:58 |
| Aquarina | tomorrow I'll hammer on this a little bit more | 22:58 |
| timeless_xchat | do you have a goal? | 22:59 |
| timeless_xchat | most maemo apps are designed for a fixed screen resolution | 23:00 |
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| timeless_xchat | and by running stuff on your maemo device, you aren't gaining processing power | 23:00 |
| timeless_xchat | sometimes, it's simpler to use vnc | 23:01 |
| timeless_xchat | or qemu-arm | 23:01 |
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| Aquarina | timeless_xchat, I'd like to have gnumeric exported to my main screen where I could use my keyboard and mouse | 23:02 |
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| Aquarina | without having to install a gnumeric instance on my computer | 23:02 |
| Aquarina | just to edit a few files | 23:02 |
| timeless_xchat | i'd just install gnumeric and use sshfs or scp | 23:03 |
| timeless_xchat | or use vnc | 23:03 |
| Aquarina | I tryed vnc but it was allways disconecting | 23:03 |
| timeless_xchat | there's really no good reason to do what you're doing | 23:03 |
| Aquarina | don't know why | 23:04 |
| Aquarina | there's probably no good reason to play guitart | 23:04 |
| Aquarina | ;-) | 23:04 |
| Aquarina | but, believe me | 23:05 |
| timeless_xchat | in general, x isn't more tolerant than vnc | 23:05 |
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| Aquarina | it would realy help me getting my work done | 23:05 |
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| timeless_xchat | and if your xsession is broken, your apps will commit suicide | 23:05 |
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| timeless_xchat | that'd be bad for gnumeric | 23:05 |
| Aquarina | hum... | 23:05 |
| Aquarina | ok | 23:06 |
| Aquarina | see you next day | 23:06 |
| Aquarina | tomorrow or so... | 23:06 |
| Aquarina | and thank you, I know i'm not very easy to understand at times | 23:07 |
| Aquarina | and not very easy to convince | 23:07 |
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| sq-one | is the original nokia case (cp-408) for the n900 recommendable? | 23:17 |
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| luke-jr | sq-one: no | 23:40 |
| luke-jr | actually, I don't know | 23:40 |
| luke-jr | CP-408 is not the original NIT case | 23:40 |
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