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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, sorry i got timeout | 00:05 |
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| ZogG_laptop | 1) can u up it | 00:05 |
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| ZogG_laptop | 2) can u check what i did wrong (rewritted it)] | 00:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | rewrote* | 00:06 |
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| MohammadAG | oh dear | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | qrc:/entertainmentview.qml:138:9: QML Image: Cannot open: qrc:/home/user/.cache/media-art/album-7215ee9c7d9dc229d2921a40e899ec5f-6125f3f0367e2f34fc2656b572605d7d.jpeg | 00:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, found error | 00:10 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: k | 00:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, can u up ur version | 00:11 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: yes, where? | 00:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | anywhere u can | 00:12 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok | 00:12 |
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| ezisto | hello folks | 00:14 |
| ezisto | is there a way to get an android app to work under maemo ? | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | google for alien dalvik | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | alien dalvik, unreleased | 00:16 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok, uploading | 00:16 |
| ezisto | yeah i couldn’t find it any where | 00:17 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: http://venemo.net/temp/fresh.zip | 00:17 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: please upload this to git | 00:18 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: short description: if you want to add an XMMS-related feature, then add it to Xmms2Connector, and then connect that to the GUI | 00:19 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: NEVER, EVER add such code to the GUI layer - it just makes your code unreadable and hard to follow or debug | 00:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | u mean one i did now? | 00:20 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: 'u'? | 00:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | i uploaded something new | 00:20 |
| Venemo | based on my code? | 00:21 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: yes, I see you did something similar | 00:22 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: now please, use my Xmms2Connector | 00:22 |
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| ezisto | thank you guys for the file | 00:22 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: it sends proper Qt signals and does a lot of other things :) | 00:22 |
| ezisto | but one more thing.. is it a Qt application ? | 00:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, does it make coffee? | 00:23 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: of course | 00:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, i did it based on your old files | 00:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | so i'm learning a little bit | 00:23 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: re-base on my new ones | 00:24 |
| ezisto | and do i need Qt installed in order to launch it ? | 00:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok i'll so it tomorrow, anyway noone follows my repo now =) | 00:24 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: do it now | 00:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | haha | 00:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | why so hurry | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | Guru Meditation: XID: 1281492756 | 00:25 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i just wanted to read it first properly | 00:25 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: well, _I_ hurried for you. :P | 00:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok | 00:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'll do | 00:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'll do | 00:25 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ezisto, u better not use it for now | 00:25 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: also, it can now refresh your label and everything | 00:26 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: look at the code of the callbacks if you want to know how :) | 00:27 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: also, NEVER use global variables for such a purpose as you did | 00:27 |
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| Zero_Dogg | Can the n810 use some form of external wireless dongle? My n810 reboots whenever the wlan is used (ie. when the connection manager scans for networks) | 00:28 |
| Venemo | Zero_Dogg: try a reflash | 00:29 |
| ezisto | okay thank you anyway | 00:29 |
| Zero_Dogg | Venemo: done that, several times. Doesn't change anything | 00:29 |
| Venemo | Zero_Dogg: well then either take it to the repair centre or find a dongle that it can support with its host mode :) | 00:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, i almost was there, just needed to add this instead of NULL and i didn't know how to declare static functions in *.h now i know | 00:30 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, backed up mine so i can see the differences | 00:30 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok, don't worry :) | 00:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | Writing objects: 100% (8/8), 1.76 KiB, done. | 00:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | Total 8 (delta 6), reused 0 (delta 0) | 00:31 |
| Zero_Dogg | Venemo: nod, warranty on it is up, so could probably buy a used one for less than the repairs would cost. I do have Linux compatible usb dongles, but I'm guessing the n810's kernel probably doesn't ship with the modules | 00:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, actually i tryed it before like that when it was in one file | 00:31 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: the this pointer is then passed to the user_data of the callbacks, so you can access an instance of the object from there | 00:31 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: then it emits a signal which is picked up by the slot at the main window | 00:31 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: and in that slot, I change the text of the label | 00:32 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: and note that those are static functions of a class, and not just static functions | 00:32 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: this means that they can access the private members of the class | 00:33 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I also recommend you to learn some OOP and C++ :) | 00:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | but this NULL and static thing ruined it as i declared those functions under private slots and got error with xmmsc_result_notifier_set | 00:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, but i need to change ur code now too | 00:34 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: what do you need in it? | 00:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, as u still used asynced method | 00:34 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok, feel free to change it. :) | 00:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | i need to polish the way u get info and change xmmsc_result_wait | 00:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | now i need to sleep as i woke up in 5 hours and still didn't took shower | 00:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | thanks man | 00:35 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, okay. if you have a problem or question, just ask :) | 00:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, when and if i'll finish kinda useable version 0.0.0.0.0.1-alpha i would need help to make widget (it would be easier just relaying on existing code of program) | 00:36 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: what widget? | 00:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | and again man, many many thanks | 00:36 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: you're welcome :) | 00:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, a lt of things i just learn from how u did it | 00:38 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I'm happy for you :) | 00:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean there are things i dunno how to do or that i can do, and than i see the solution and i do understand for next time | 00:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | but still i'm slow learner =( | 00:39 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: no problem. I had lots of trouble when I learned C++ | 00:39 |
| Arkenoi | wow, surprised to know batteries "bigger than original" capacity do exist, i thought all of those are fake | 00:39 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: also, I had lots of trouble some time later when I learned Qt | 00:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | they are bigger in all meanings | 00:39 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: so if I can help others to suffer less than I did, I'm happy :) | 00:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | i know a little bit C and no Qt | 00:39 |
| Venemo | Arkenoi: which one is not fake? | 00:39 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: no problem | 00:40 |
| Venemo | [23:33] <Venemo> ZogG_laptop: I also recommend you to learn some OOP and C++ :) | 00:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have friend he is just getting it from code, he even doesn't need to read manuals sometimes | 00:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | he is quicklearner | 00:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | but he never share even his programs | 00:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | he just doesn't care | 00:40 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: my father once said, the more you learn, the faster you can learn :) | 00:41 |
| Arkenoi | venemo: "scud" from aliexpress, said to be 1510 (even more than claimed 1450) | 00:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | but he is more like python+gtk+c guy | 00:41 |
| Arkenoi | err, claimed 1420 | 00:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, do u know java? | 00:41 |
| Arkenoi | there is thread on tmo | 00:41 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: java? NO! I only know a single joke about java | 00:42 |
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| Venemo | Arkenoi: link please? | 00:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | bad, found pretty program for android | 00:42 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: why do all java programmers wear glasses? | 00:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | it is based on C program | 00:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, dunnp | 00:42 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: because they don't C#! | 00:42 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hahah | 00:42 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: as in C# [see sharp] | 00:43 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I'm a C# / .NET developer too. or rather, I was before I started with Qt :) | 00:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | aso this program is based on program on C that is ported to maemo it can be built with qt4 or qpe or gpe or gtk and android uses it just to make more userfriendly gui | 00:44 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: we were talking about wrapper classes earlier, remember? | 00:44 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: the Xmms2Connector class I wrote for ZogG_laptop is a good example of a wrapper | 00:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, yeah i got it | 00:44 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: okay then :) | 00:44 |
| Arkenoi | Venemo, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 | 00:44 |
| Venemo | thx Arkenoi | 00:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyway CYA | 00:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | gnight | 00:44 |
| Venemo | bb ZogG_laptop, sleep well | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, I wrote MafwPlaylistAdapter :) | 00:45 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: :):):) | 00:45 |
| Arkenoi | time to order new battery anyways, mine is one year old | 00:45 |
| Venemo | Arkenoi: please do tell me if it's really any better than the original one | 00:46 |
| Arkenoi | yep, i really hope so :-) | 00:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | is it bigger? | 00:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean size | 00:46 |
| Arkenoi | nope, the size is similar | 00:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | good | 00:46 |
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| Venemo | Arkenoi, so it fits into the N900 without adding more bulkiness? that's good | 00:47 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and it's 1510 when original is ... | 00:47 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ? | 00:47 |
| Arkenoi | 1350 | 00:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | not bad | 00:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | +- more 4-6 hours on regular usage i assume | 00:48 |
| Venemo | the original is not 1350 | 00:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, than original is ? | 00:49 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: mine is 1320 | 00:51 |
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| Arkenoi | ah, maybe 1320 | 00:52 |
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| Arkenoi | anyways, 1510 means a few extra hours you may need so desperately sometimes | 00:53 |
| Venemo | yeah :) | 00:54 |
| lolcat | Arkenoi: A bigger battery? Where? | 00:55 |
| Arkenoi | lolcat, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 | 00:55 |
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| lolcat | 23:40 <@arcade> Ymgve: Forøvrig, jeg ville tatt Nils Bøhmer i bellone med fem klyper salt. Ikke at det han sier er galt, men det er litt .. opphausset. | 00:55 |
| lolcat | sorry | 00:55 |
| lolcat | Accidental paste | 00:56 |
| strunz | good evening :-) | 00:56 |
| Venemo | good evening strunz | 00:56 |
| strunz | i`ve a question about n900 and maemo | 00:57 |
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| strunz | when i start sygic mm10 it crashes on n900 | 00:59 |
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| jacekowski | yeah | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | because you've got pirated version | 01:00 |
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| strunz | no, i bought it from a distributor | 01:01 |
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| strunz | http://direkt.jacob-computer.de/_artnr_756468.html?status=1&SID= | 01:01 |
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| ezisto | Venemo: could you please tell me how to run that fresh on n900, i will be thankful if you show me how :) | 01:07 |
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| lolcat | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/367257966-Lithium-ion-battery-Nokia-BL-5J-for-5230-5800XM-5233-N900-1420mAh-Free-Shipping-by-EMS-wholesalers.html | 01:09 |
| lolcat | This is it? I have to buy three of them? | 01:09 |
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| cehteh | i'd take one :) | 01:11 |
| lolcat | I should order 1000, then they are sick cheap | 01:11 |
| lolcat | Then I just need a charger | 01:12 |
| lolcat | If I have 4 batteries it is ez to replace them while doing stuff | 01:12 |
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| cehteh | where are you that it is hard to get replacement batteries? ... i can just pick one up at the next mobile shop here | 01:14 |
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| lolcat | cehteh: I wanted the one with 1500mAH | 01:14 |
| lolcat | My phone is @ Nokia for repair of the USB port I think | 01:14 |
| cehteh | well .. me too .. but ... its just a sticker :) | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I can sell you one marked as 2500mAh | 01:15 |
| cehteh | hehe | 01:15 |
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| cehteh | anyone of you has the equipment to reliable measure battery charge? DocScrutinizer dont you have an electronics lab? | 01:15 |
| lolcat | cehteh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: rudimentary | 01:16 |
| cehteh | ah nice | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | cehteh: how do you define battery charge | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | amount of energy you can pull from battery before it cannot be recharged back to like 95% of previous capacity | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: why? | 01:17 |
| cehteh | jacekowski: mAh or mWh ... there are ways to measure it | 01:17 |
| strunz | n8 | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | or amount of energy you can pull from battery before device it's powering shuts down on low voltage | 01:17 |
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| cehteh | yes | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | cehteh: but mAh or mWh don't tell you when you stop your measurments | 01:18 |
| cehteh | well if you want you can measure the joules ... but thats a bit inconvinent | 01:18 |
| cehteh | jacekowski: well within design limits of the device | 01:18 |
| cehteh | when you know that it shuts down at 3.2 volts then you just programm your testing equiment the same way | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | at what current? | 01:19 |
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| cehteh | whatever .. some 'typical' for the device .. the current you draw isnt really much critical | 01:19 |
| jacekowski | it is | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | battery capacity changes with current you pull | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | less current you pull more energy you can get | 01:20 |
| cehteh | not that much | 01:20 |
| cehteh | not with liion | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | BS | 01:20 |
| cehteh | well i am not talking about shorten it | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | if you have 1Ah liiion and pull 1A from it and pull 100mA from it | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | you will get like 50% more from it at 100mA | 01:21 |
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| cehteh | heh .. source? | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | my own measurments | 01:21 |
| cehteh | 1A on a phone battery is quite much anyways | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | it's not | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | N900 pulls like 2A peak | 01:22 |
| cehteh | if you pull 100mA vs 250mA then you wont see much difference | 01:22 |
| cehteh | peak yes .. for short times | 01:22 |
| cehteh | not for 1hr :) | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | 1A when playing games | 01:23 |
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| jacekowski | if you use mobile hot spot | 01:23 |
| cehteh | anyways .. i am about comparing batteries with each other .. | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | everything is getting warm | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | and it discharges my battery in like 40-50 minutes | 01:23 |
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| jacekowski | which is about right for almost 2A | 01:24 |
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| lolcat | I think I will order three scud batteries with 1510mAh | 01:24 |
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| Venemo | ezisto, well, I haven't tried | 01:26 |
| Venemo | ezisto, but, since you don't have xmms2 on your N900, you probably won't be able to use it | 01:26 |
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| villager | a 50% power loss at 1A sounds like the battery has an internal resistance of 3-4 ohms... | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | yeah, | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | try that on used battery | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | not fresh one | 01:39 |
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| ShadowJK | 3-4 ohms sounds excessive | 01:47 |
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| ShadowJK | BL-5J should be closer to .1 | 01:47 |
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| jacekowski | fresh one | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | use it for couple months and it will be around 1 | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | The modem 'hard' powers off at around 3.2V IIRC | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It needs to be able to draw nearly 2A and stay above this. | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | To supply pulses. | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey, still with batteries? | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | hm, mine stops working at around 3v | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - around - I'm unsure of exact. | 01:59 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't have any couple months old batteries anymore | 02:00 | |
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| ShadowJK | but I'm pretty sure my 11 month one was <1 ohm | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | the mugen2400 was disturbingly high internal resistance :/ | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | after 50 cycles or so | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, 3-4Ohm, 2A, in my book that's 8V drop | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | see how silly that looks? | 02:03 |
| nae | on an n900 can I disable the long presses entering the alternate symbol? | 02:03 |
| * ShadowJK only has 50 cycles on this BL-5J | 02:03 | |
| ShadowJK | and 3 reboots on this N900 :P | 02:03 |
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| ShadowJK | bme on N800 used a battery model with .16 ohm resistance, on N810 that parameter was .180 | 02:06 |
| ShadowJK | in both cases my original batteries for them developed much higher resistance than that and became pregnant.. | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nae: yes | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | nae: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | some gconf setting | 02:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you know you get best results on least effort with bq27200.sh script? | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just make sure to change RS=30 to RS=22 whenever you get this script somewhere | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sounds about right - it mustn't be much more than 200mR for modem to work correctly | 02:15 |
| * ShadowJK uses RS=21 | 02:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | on too high a impedance of battery you get those mysterious GSM connectivity drops | 02:16 |
| Jade | would anyone be interested in buying a n900 with an usb port that came off? | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure. 20 bucks | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, 30 | 02:18 |
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| Jade | 50 + shipping | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | $ or eur? | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | GBP?? :-o | 02:19 |
| ShadowJK | on n900 you get the pin code prompt after cellmo undervoltage reboot | 02:19 |
| nae | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the link | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: brownouts on TX spikes won't trigger POR | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | just ruin the TX parameters, so the BTS will barf up | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | hey is there usb pads below the battery? | 02:21 |
| Jade | USD | 02:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer stares at his bare board | 02:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, shipping from US is too expensive | 02:21 |
| Jade | i live in canada | 02:21 |
| Jade | where do you live | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | D | 02:21 |
| Jade | D? | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | teutschlant | 02:22 |
| Jade | oh | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd actually be willing to pay $50, but the hassle with sending and customs and all is too much | 02:24 |
| Jade | i could get it mailed for maybe $10-20 | 02:25 |
| Jade | using regular mail | 02:25 |
| Jade | i mailed stuff to europe before | 02:25 |
| Jade | packages | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | 60$ incl postage, on your risk, payment when it arrives, via paypal | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, can't go better | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I won't run away with it, I have some IRC channels to mamage ;-P | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | manage even | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how many coremelts? I missed the news for 3 hours | 02:32 |
| ds3 | marshmellows glowing in the dark yet? ;) | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got my fair share of atomic waste on my keyring | 02:34 |
| * n900evil sings 'Just one coremelto' | 02:34 | |
| BCMM | oh my | 02:35 |
| BCMM | they're pouring seawater into two cores now | 02:35 |
| BCMM | and "considering using seawater on a third" | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cool, hope they got a plug to pull and drain the second one when the first goes BOOOOOOOOOOOOM when 70 tons of 2000°C whiteglowing molten gue hit the seawater | 02:36 |
| BCMM | pumping large amounts of water in means that they've now accepted that it's all going to come back out as radioactive steam, right? | 02:36 |
| ds3 | fill it with lead | 02:37 |
| BCMM | and since at least one core is almost certainly disintegrating, that's proper radioactive steam, not boring nitrogen from neutron-activated water | 02:37 |
| ds3 | lead shot | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lead shot doesn't help at all | 02:37 |
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| BCMM | ^radionitrogen | 02:37 |
| ds3 | why not? lead show block the neutrons | 02:38 |
| ds3 | and since it is hot, it'll melt and encase the rods | 02:38 |
| BCMM | what's the specific latent heat of fusion of lead like? | 02:38 |
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| ds3 | not as nice as water I am sure | 02:38 |
| BCMM | very little is | 02:38 |
| BCMM | also, they probably don't have piles of lead to hand | 02:38 |
| ds3 | but I suspect it will absorb more neutrons | 02:38 |
| BCMM | they don't even have fresh water | 02:38 |
| ds3 | raid the armory, use bullets (have the solders take out the power/brass first) | 02:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ds3: aiui that's what the boratic acid is meant for | 02:39 |
| BCMM | pumping seawater into the reactor is an act of desperation in the first place | 02:39 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: yes but isn't lead suppose to be one of the decay products? | 02:39 |
| BCMM | it is really, REALLY annoying when people talk about "radioactivity" as if it is a substance | 02:40 |
| BCMM | second hydrogen explosion hasn't happened yet, but they still think it's going to happen | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's even more stupid when they talk about radiation contamination all the time | 02:41 |
| BCMM | or "radiation leaking" | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | 10:1 on next explosion in <48h | 02:41 |
| BCMM | when they actually mean stuff that emits radiation has leaked | 02:41 |
| BCMM | i wish they'd say what exactly had leaked when they say things like that | 02:41 |
| ds3 | isn't a radiation leak basically neutrons/alpha/beta/gamma flying out? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: exactly | 02:42 |
| BCMM | i mean, the radioactive steam, per se, isn't a huge deal | 02:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pfff, radioactive H2O? so what? | 02:42 |
| ds3 | what exactly is radioactive steam? heavy water steam? | 02:42 |
| BCMM | it shouldn't be that radioactive; just short-lived stuff formed by neutron activation of the water | 02:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns | 02:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 02:43 |
| BCMM | it shouldn't contain bits of the fuel rods | 02:43 |
| BCMM | but if they've been feeding iodine to people exposed to it, that implies it does | 02:43 |
| BCMM | or that somebody doesn't know what iodine supplements are for | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | It is only 'clean' if the fuel rods are intact. | 02:44 |
| ds3 | Iodine could have vaporized | 02:44 |
| ds3 | doesn't that stuff sublimes? | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | seawater OTOH is full of 'nice' minerals | 02:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | BCMM: Or if there is the possibility of leaks - you want people to have iodine beforehand. | 02:44 |
| BCMM | that's sorta my point, if there is iodine in it, the rods are disintegrating | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | caesium | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | iodine | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | all sure signs of a coremelt | 02:45 |
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| BCMM | i don't know how you make radioisotopes of caesium | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | There will presumably nominally be some diffusion out of the rods. | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | also hydrogen explosions, as H2O desintegrates into hydrogen and O2 at some 1000s of °C | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | which of course means the rods are gue | 02:46 |
| BCMM | but radioiodine tends to come from uranium | 02:46 |
| BCMM | and definitely not from water | 02:46 |
| BCMM | yeah, the rods are goo | 02:47 |
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| pupnik | it would be ironic if the wind blew the fallout over the USA | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | err did I say caesium? | 02:47 |
| BCMM | the pacific is bigger than it looks | 02:47 |
| pupnik | 'oops! so sorry!' | 02:47 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but so did the news | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I would be surprised if the rods remain completely gastight under conditions of neutron activation, and elevated temperature. In normal use, I'd expect the primary coolant loop to have a fair amount of contamination from activated gasses | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm dizzy | 02:48 |
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| BCMM | if the rods are not intact, this seawater is basically washing over the nuclear fuel, right? | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 02:48 |
| BCMM | (i know the principles, but not how the plant is actually put together) | 02:48 |
| BCMM | and this stuff is boiling off all the time... i wonder how much contamination the process of avoiding a full meltdown is producing | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: they should throw in natrium or a similar metal | 02:49 |
| cehteh | do they feed it into the core? .. or just into the containment? iirc there was no information about | 02:49 |
| pupnik | don't we have funky satellites that can take snapshots of radiation? | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | preferrably sth that doesn't incinerate | 02:49 |
| pupnik | why doesn't Google *do* something! | 02:50 |
| cehteh | google earth live! | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: nope, sats can't see radiation | 02:50 |
| ds3 | sure they can, but they might not be pointed at the planet | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least not that one on earth surface | 02:51 |
| ds3 | the gamma ray observatory | 02:51 |
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| cehteh | when voyager 1 picks up neutron emission from earth we should be considerably scared :) | 02:51 |
| BCMM | on the bright side, Onagawa appears to be intact... that's the one that caught fire, followed by elevated radiation readings | 02:52 |
| BCMM | apparently said readings were just contamination from Fukushima I | 02:52 |
| cehteh | they say a lot these days ... | 02:52 |
| * cehteh thinks it will take some months or even years to find about the whole truth | 02:53 | |
| BCMM | cehteh: i'm pretty sure the sun would swamp that signal | 02:53 |
| cehteh | (which might be not that spectacular when we are lucky) | 02:54 |
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| cehteh | but remember three miles island .. it took years before they realized that the core melt down | 02:54 |
| cehteh | prolly the now know better, but there is a lot to investigate what really happend still | 02:54 |
| pupnik | let's send the 9/11 commission to investigate | 02:55 |
| ds3 | even if it did melt, isn't there less stuff in there then both of the A bombs? | 02:58 |
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| cehteh | haha its all a evil plot of Osama Bin Laden! | 02:59 |
| cehteh | ds3: you cant compare an atomic plant with atomic bombs | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's common practice worldwide, and esp in nuke powerplant dependant Japan, for gvmt to only semi-admit facts that aren't possible to deny anymore | 02:59 |
| cehteh | the plant may contain more mass .. more dirty but not critical since less enriched | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: less stuff??? that's TONs! | 03:00 |
| cehteh | and more fission byproducts and other crap | 03:00 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: such as the possibility that the cores might be starting to disintegrate, after decay products obviously originating from the fuel have already been detected and people are already being dosed with iodine | 03:01 |
| ds3 | just saying, it has happened before | 03:01 |
| BCMM | ^such as admitting the | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: and due to the fact Fukushima rods were used and old, the percentage of isotopes like iodne etc is probably 20 times higer / kg than in Chernobyl | 03:02 |
| cehteh | BCMM: yes .. and the hydrogen explosion meant that hydrogen was produced which isnt at all good | 03:02 |
| cehteh | means the fuel-rods detoriating which is a good sign for meltdown | 03:02 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: all in all, the half life of iodine is short enough that it isn't that horrible | 03:02 |
| ds3 | take plenty of KI til it all breaks down | 03:03 |
| cehteh | there is plutonium in block 3 | 03:03 |
| cehteh | if that gets released then they have a really big problem | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the Pu spilled all across on Nagasaki was for sure worse | 03:04 |
| BCMM | http://maps.google.com/maps?ftr=crisisresponse.kmlpanel:src=japan_earthquake_2011&cad=japan_earthquake_2011 has maps showing areas of evacuation | 03:04 |
| BCMM | but they don't seem to have a meaningful legend | 03:04 |
| BCMM | it does at least confirm that fukushima II has it's own evacuation zone | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has, since yesterday | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, make that now-30h | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | about as long as I'm posting here about ~5 coremelts pending | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all info available that'S the minimum of blasts to happen if they don't find a better strategy | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | robability for a 6th one high | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | +p | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if only one of 6 gets a 'proper' core meltdown with china syndrome, they are on the lucky side | 03:09 |
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| BCMM | i take it "china syndrome" refers to the melt burning through the floor and getting into the groundwater? | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:12 |
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| pupnik | i predict japan's next nuclear reactors get built differently | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably bonbing it to pieces would be the better alternative | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: You're missing something. | 03:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: As time after shutdown increases, decay heat decreases. | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, in 12 moths it's only 5MW instead of 10 | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | At some point, decay heat will be passively coolable. I don't know when that point is of course. | 03:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall 10% being stated as decay heat output an hour after SCRAM. | 03:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | So ~50MW | 03:15 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: but that also guarantees a complete release into the environment | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I didn't completely wrap my head around it, but I think I heard it's the decay products that continue to "tick" even when subcritical | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why a reactor doesn't stop the very moment you pull the moderator rods out | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | or in, depending on build | 03:17 |
| BCMM | it's all unstable atom; they decay no matter what you do to them | 03:17 |
| BCMM | ^atoms | 03:17 |
| BCMM | i mean, move them far far away from any other unstable nuclei and they'll still spontaneously decay | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | When normally operating, the chain reaction neutron cause massive generation of unstable radioisotopes with decay times from picoseconds to years. | 03:17 |
| BCMM | you just won't get any chain reactions where a fast neutron from one decay triggers another one | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | swapped fuel rods need to chill for iirc 2 years next to reactor in a pool, prior to shipping them anywhere | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | These decay over time when you turnthe reactor off, as there are 'no' neutrons. | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | But you've got a whole heap of exponential curves piled on top of each other. | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes exactly | 03:19 |
| BCMM | it's possible to have a perfectly safe (from blowing up or doing anything surprising) lump of plutonium that just sits there and is warm to the touch | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It starts at the nominal power, and then decays from there. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Yep. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | RTG. | 03:19 |
| BCMM | (allegedly, this was verified in the Manhattan project. by actually touching it.) | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: and decay of one isotop creates another one :-P | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Decay chains, yes, it's more complex than a simple exponential due to this. | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's my point | 03:21 |
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| BCMM | the chain-reaction itself is somewhat self-sustaining | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, even a shutdown reactor needs cooling for months, if not years. Or you see core meltdown | 03:22 |
| nox- | http://www.kalzumeus.com/2011/03/13/some-perspective-on-the-japan-earthquake/ | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | True - of course - but cooling may be passive too. | 03:22 |
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| BCMM | AFAIK, since inserting the control rods doesn't come close to totally isolating each U atom from each other U atom, the rate of fission tails off quite gradually | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd be surprised if it was engineered to require passive cooling after shut off for a month, for example. | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sure - if the heatsink is of enormeous size ;-P | 03:23 |
| BCMM | it puts it in a state where it's basically self-limiting and each neutron is causing an average of less than one other neutron to be emitted | 03:23 |
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| BCMM | but it takes a long time to reach equilibrium | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you put in enough heat conducting paste | 03:24 |
| nox- | haha | 03:24 |
| BCMM | and the challenge is keeping it cool while that happens | 03:24 |
| BCMM | cause obviously if everything melts the control rods become kinda academic | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: nope, all those processes happen at speed of light | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. in zero time | 03:25 |
| BCMM | neutrons can not travel at the speed of light... | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | the difference is negligible | 03:26 |
| BCMM | (and gamma rays cannot trigger decay) | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if it would take time to stop the process, it also would take time to start it -> nukes impossible | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Wrong. | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: thermal electrons are _verry_ far from the speed of light | 03:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | A few tens or hundreds of meters/second IIRC | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: not like taking weeks to settle | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even milliseconds | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw fission is rather unrelated to electrons | 03:28 |
| BCMM | where the thermal electrons come into things? | 03:28 |
| BCMM | ^do | 03:28 |
| BCMM | the term is not interchangeable with "beta particle" | 03:28 |
| BCMM | (or "neutron" for that matter) | 03:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and beta particles also are unrelated to chain reaction buildup | 03:29 |
| kpoman | ok guys I got gingerbread working, and with overclocking it is excellent | 03:29 |
| kpoman | lot of games | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | neutrons that's it | 03:29 |
| kpoman | very smooth | 03:29 |
| kpoman | very good battery life | 03:29 |
| kpoman | quite impressive in fact | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | beta particles - what a nonsense | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | beta quants maybe | 03:30 |
| BCMM | ? | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | an electron is a particle? | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | 7% of reactor output is decay heat (according to docs I found), and typically it takes a day to decrease to 1% of nominal. | 03:30 |
| cehteh | strange .. with 2.6.38* my rxvt behaves very freaky ... | 03:31 |
| BCMM | ok, so the chain reaction does not take much time to shut off | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | canteach.candu.org/library/19930201.pdf pager 256 | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | but the isotopes do | 03:31 |
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| cehteh | and xterm too wtf | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | as lots of them have halflife of minutes, hours, days | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | without chain reaction | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | See also teh graph on page 253 | 03:32 |
| BCMM | so the slow shut-off is caused by short half-life neutron emitters triggering chain reactions? | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, something along that line | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | The source above gives neutron-based thermal generation hitting 1% at about 40s for the reactor type. | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | my TV nukes expert gave power emission of a shutdown core of the Fukujima type as 10MW, for several weeks to months | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is kinda of in line with what I know about handling of used fuel rods | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | buzzword Abklingbecken, Castor | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I can't find a nice soruce on BWRr | 03:37 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD7r3RgTHr0 some nuclear reactor background for a video i helped did back in 97.. Good Nukes-- "Almost Good Enough": Pt. I Reactor Components | 03:50 |
| pupnik | overuse of music by pupnik | 03:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Get your popcorn! http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-architecture/2011-March/000076.html | 03:59 |
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| kthomas | wait, wait, it's working... | 04:10 |
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| chx | GeneralAntilles: They're rearranging deck chairs on The Titanic. | 04:15 |
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| cehteh | chx: its important to have a first-row seat on the sinking! | 04:21 |
| cehteh | imagine you cant see the iceberg | 04:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | chx: something like that, yeah. . . . | 04:29 |
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| chx | what happened to "real men ship" ? | 04:32 |
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| zerojay | The ship's been going down for years, just that most of you haven't realized it. | 04:33 |
| Tsuyo | hey, i wanted to flash my n900 because it doesnt start anymore. I just see the Nokia screen, and then it turns off. After plugging my N900 into my pc and running the flasher, it stays on "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." Also, the phone reboots every 10 seconds. Does someone have an Idea? | 04:33 |
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| Tsuyo | I'm on Windows 7 x86. Using arch' doesn't work too | 04:34 |
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| zerojay | And, I don't know about anyone else, but Arjan's just... such an ass. | 04:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | He's nice in person. | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably a bit frustrated, though. | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay: yeah, but what's my alternative? | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Android aint it. :) | 04:37 |
| zerojay | With that guy around, even WinMo is an option. | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 04:38 |
| zerojay | He's really good at driving passionate people away. | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Intel doesn't know how to deal with a community of individuals. | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the strength Nokia (sort of) brought to the table. | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they've been tucked away with Harmattan. | 04:40 |
| ShadowJK | arjan is more used to dealing with large group of kernel hackers I think :) | 04:43 |
| zerojay | I don't think Arjan's used to dealing with anyone but himself. | 04:44 |
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| orlok | fuck microsoft and fuck nokia. | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed. | 04:51 |
| gavin | well put | 04:51 |
| orlok | my N900's camera gives operation failed when i open the slider.. any suggestions? | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Restart? | 04:52 |
| orlok | forum threads indicate it needs a fsck? | 04:52 |
| orlok | nah, done that | 04:52 |
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| Tsuyo | Please, guys, any help here? enable-rd-mode doesn't help too | 04:53 |
| Tsuyo | : / | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tsuyo: did you hold down the U key while inserting the battery with USB plugged in? | 04:54 |
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| nox- | http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77583.html :( | 04:55 |
| Tsuyo | GeneralAntilles: I tried it now, and doesn't change anything | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tsuyo: so, no USB icon in the corner on the N900? | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | And you're sure the USB cable isn't at fault? | 04:55 |
| Tsuyo | Well, there is one. I don't flash for my first time :p | 04:56 |
| Tsuyo | My brother had the nice idea to dpkg -r -a | 04:56 |
| doc|home | nox-: it's not major. Similar to explosion the other day. Data coming from the reactors says so far it shouldn't be a big problem. | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, the N900 is going into flashing mode, but the flasher isn't seeing it? | 04:56 |
| Tsuyo | 2. | 04:56 |
| Tsuyo | It finds the phone | 04:56 |
| Tsuyo | but it freezes at: | 04:56 |
| Tsuyo | Suitable USB device not found .. | 04:56 |
| Tsuyo | The phone keeps rebooting | 04:56 |
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| Tsuyo | i hear the vibrate ever ~10 secs | 04:57 |
| Tsuyo | y* | 04:57 |
| lcuk | flat battery? | 04:57 |
| orlok | hmm.. deleted kernel maybe? | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, battery might be low. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing but NOLO is involved in flashing. | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | So if it's power cycling, it's likely a low battery. | 04:58 |
| Tsuyo | Battery is on ~ 85% | 04:58 |
| lcuk | how do you know? | 04:58 |
| lcuk | if you are not getting into os | 04:58 |
| Tsuyo | I had it on the power cable | 04:58 |
| Tsuyo | when my brother killed my phone | 04:58 |
| Tsuyo | and it was on arround 90%, wich would be ~85 now | 04:58 |
| lcuk | pesky brothers | 04:58 |
| lcuk | justa thought | 04:59 |
| * lcuk had power cycling doofer earlier today | 04:59 | |
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| lcuk | I had to look at my n900 sternly before it would bootup | 04:59 |
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| Tsuyo | Well, i power it up over the night. I hope i get it to work today. Sending my phone back to nokia would suck much different things. | 05:01 |
| lcuk | indeed, when you try it in the morning | 05:02 |
| lcuk | perhaps take out battery, plug in usb, start flasher, then when it says device not found, pop the battery in | 05:02 |
| Tsuyo | Aight' | 05:02 |
| * lcuk used this method for every flashing on every device in last couple of years | 05:03 | |
| Tsuyo | with your method i get this response: http://pastebin.com/wg1D3ApW | 05:04 |
| Tsuyo | lcuk. | 05:04 |
| lcuk | Tsuyo, my old laptop used to do that randomly, it was something in the kernel etc - i had to reboot laptop to fix that cos I am not a kernel bod | 05:05 |
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| Tsuyo | i've rebooted my pc for the second time now : / | 05:05 |
| * lcuk goes to sleep again anyway | 05:05 | |
| lcuk | :( | 05:06 |
| lcuk | Tsuyo, try an alternative machine | 05:06 |
| lcuk | but that error is more host than n900 i believe | 05:06 |
| ShadowJK | and different usb port, and don't use hubs | 05:06 |
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| lcuk | Tsuyo, are your usb cables using clockwise twisting, or anticlockwise? | 05:07 |
| Tsuyo | yeah, i'm going to sleep too. Thanks for your help :), i'll abuse mother's pc after mornin' | 05:07 |
| Tsuyo | Err | 05:07 |
| Tsuyo | Huh :D ? | 05:08 |
| Tsuyo | i thought usb would be a standard | 05:08 |
| lcuk | well you have to get the right kind of cable depending on which hemisphere you are on | 05:08 |
| lcuk | the electrons go the wrong way if you import :'( | 05:08 |
| Tsuyo | wat :D | 05:09 |
| orlok | lcuk: heh.. thats almost funny, as you said that while i was looking at stuff in #astronomy :) | 05:09 |
| lcuk | heh | 05:09 |
| lcuk | gnite fellas \o | 05:09 |
| Tsuyo | Seeya | 05:09 |
| orlok | lcuk: my telescope tripod came with a scope configured for the wrong hemisphere | 05:09 |
| lcuk | ;) | 05:09 |
| Tsuyo | good night, too :) | 05:09 |
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| * orlok ssh's into his phone to back everything up | 05:48 | |
| orlok | Ahh, a phone that doesnt drive me nuts... | 05:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 06:17 |
| infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 06:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, 2nd reactor gone pooof | 06:59 |
| orlok | just hydrogen containment | 06:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, what else? | 06:59 |
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| chx | sounds like the containment vessels are intact | 07:12 |
| ds3 | on topic question - does python offer bluetooth bindings? | 07:15 |
| orlok | pretty sure it does | 07:16 |
| ds3 | i.e. ability to setup a rfcomm connection | 07:16 |
| ds3 | Hmmm | 07:16 |
| orlok | http://code.google.com/p/pybluez/ | 07:16 |
| chx | in general, does python offer X answer is yes :D | 07:16 |
| orlok | import soul | 07:16 |
| ds3 | ah | 07:16 |
| orlok | :) | 07:16 |
| orlok | python makes me look like i know how to programm | 07:16 |
| ds3 | python seems to be the easiest way to get a graphically app on the N900 | 07:16 |
| orlok | ds3: with what? | 07:16 |
| * orlok uses pygame and wxwidgets on desktops | 07:16 | |
| orlok | speaking of which | 07:16 |
| ds3 | I want to poke at the GPS, Bluetooth, and camera | 07:16 |
| orlok | i need to get back to the hardware for it | 07:16 |
| ds3 | all of which request mucking with X or wrapped X calls (aka libs like gtk/qt/etc) | 07:16 |
| orlok | making arduino controlled telescope.. PC side will be python | 07:16 |
| ds3 | python seems to avoid that | 07:16 |
| ds3 | okay, so the N900 side seems to be covered | 07:16 |
| ds3 | trying to figure out what it would take to build a bluetooth watch as a N900 companion | 07:16 |
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| doc|home | all reactors at plant 1 have been shut down | 07:17 |
| ds3 | shutdown but not cooled down yet, right? | 07:17 |
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| doc|home | ds3: some, yes | 07:21 |
| doc|home | ds3: that takes days | 07:21 |
| doc|home | but that's going ahead now | 07:21 |
| ds3 | *nod* | 07:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | doc|home: I don't see anything going ahead there, except expected hydrogen explosions after 15-20h from cooling failure, and the final coremelt after 30-45h, which will result in another much huger explosion or china syndrome | 07:59 |
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| doc|home | DocScrutinizer: why do you expect failure? | 07:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | faulure is a fact, that happened quite some time ago | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | because of both generators and power grid are damaged | 07:59 |
| doc|home | failure of the systems they had in place, yeah, but they've been working on alternatives | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | these aren't alternatives, that's desperate last efforts that are rather unlikely to help a lot | 08:00 |
| doc|home | , but they've been working on alternatives | 08:00 |
| doc|home | whoops | 08:00 |
| doc|home | http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/76948.html | 08:00 |
| doc|home | fine, desperate alternatives :) | 08:00 |
| doc|home | ok, looks like it is happening | 08:01 |
| doc|home | fuck | 08:01 |
| doc|home | pardon my french | 08:01 |
| doc|home | http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77025.html | 08:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus wind is changing, tomorrow it might hit Tokyo | 08:06 |
| doc|home | west coast of north america otherwise | 08:07 |
| doc|home | not sure how bad that'd be | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for all I know there are another 3 to 4 blocks pending which also have no more cooling | 08:07 |
| doc|home | 4 of them have been previously shut down | 08:07 |
| doc|home | iirc | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | all have been shut down, but that doesn't help as you MUST cool a reactor for several weeks after shutdown | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | block1 and 3 also were shutdown, and still blew up | 08:09 |
| doc|home | will try to get the link | 08:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why? I don't see any news there | 08:10 |
| doc|home | one sec | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's a japanese website - seems those have the most censored info | 08:10 |
| doc|home | http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031312-e.html | 08:11 |
| doc|home | getting hit pretty hard right now though | 08:11 |
| doc|home | will pastebin contents | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, I doubt there's anything that I haven't heard yet. I even doubt there's much truth at all on that page - it as well has a .jp TLD | 08:12 |
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| doc|home | that's their own page | 08:12 |
| doc|home | http://pastebin.ws/8rva75 | 08:12 |
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| doc|home | so, 3 of the 6 should be ok, two worrying, one ok but possibly a problem | 08:13 |
| doc|home | if something changes | 08:13 |
| orlok | hmm lot of crimping and soldering | 08:14 |
| doc|home | DocScrutinizer: if you have more info, I'm all ears | 08:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, everybody got more info than that BS they publish on their own official website | 08:15 |
| doc|home | DocScrutinizer: like? | 08:16 |
| doc|home | hmm, that one about the partial core meltdown was from 2 days ago | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | like explosion on block3, some 2h or 3h ago, more severe than that of block1, 4 workers injured, 7 *missing* - allegedly it's been a planned controlled explosion (that's what you will read on their website in 10h) | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | caesium137 found 100km from Fukushima | 08:18 |
| doc|home | that's not new info, and that explosion's on the front page of http://english.kyodonews.jp/ | 08:18 |
| doc|home | ok, the 100km is new | 08:19 |
| doc|home | where did you hear that? | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | which explosion= | 08:19 |
| doc|home | on block 3 | 08:19 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 08:19 |
| RST38h | Soo, what is new and exciting? Japan again? | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, I'm too tired to argue with you about fsckng japanese info policy | 08:21 |
| doc|home | i'm not arguing... | 08:21 |
| doc|home | were you? | 08:21 |
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| RST38h | Doc vs doc | 08:31 |
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| doc|home | not on my part | 08:32 |
| doc|home | night | 08:32 |
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| orlok | Hmm... I'm getting "operating not supported" when i open the camera cover on my N900 | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | orlok: sometimes this is caused by a broken filesystem where camerat would store pictures | 08:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also fcam drivers need reinstallation after any kernel update or change | 08:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course only if fcam or any other alternative camera app got installed | 08:38 |
| JakDaRippa | does the nokia n900 work with boost mobile? | 08:45 |
| chx | i'd be surprised | 08:46 |
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| chx | isnt boost one of the last using iDEN ? | 08:47 |
| chx | JakDaRippa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_Mobile CDMA / iDEN. | 08:48 |
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| Termana | good morning | 09:48 |
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| pupnik_ | hi | 09:57 |
| gomiam | syn 57578 | 09:57 |
| pupnik_ | nobody like my juok | 09:58 |
| mece | \o | 10:00 |
| mece | pupnik_, que? | 10:00 |
| pupnik_ | moment mece | 10:01 |
| pupnik_ | < Aleister93> i saw a headline, "Japan asks US Navy for help" | 10:01 |
| pupnik_ | < pupnik> US navy answers japan: "Whom do you want us to bomb?" | 10:02 |
| mece | teehee | 10:02 |
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| pupnik | 18,000 ppl missing in rikuzentaka, a town of 24,000, 6,000 accounted for | 10:17 |
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| pupnik | < pupnik> the difference between japan and haiti is japanese and haitians | 11:08 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Better question: What is the difference between Haiti and Dominican Republic? | 11:09 |
| pupnik | dunno | 11:10 |
| RST38h | But it is a much, MUCH better question ;) | 11:10 |
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| pupnik | i didn't ask a question RST38h, i made an observation. | 11:14 |
| pupnik | do you have an observation to make about haiti vs dominican rep? | 11:14 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Yea. It appears to be directly linked to yours ;) | 11:15 |
| pupnik | dominican republic is on the same island, i believe | 11:16 |
| RST38h | correct. | 11:16 |
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| crashanddie | xnt14, you pinged me? | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | pupnik & RST38h discover the world as offered to them by the conglomeration of corporate news networks... | 11:37 |
| mece | hehhe ipad2 jailbreaked. that was fast :D | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | jailbroken? | 11:37 |
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| chem|st | mmh... | 11:54 |
| chem|st | anyone experienced problems with sip lately? | 11:54 |
| chem|st | I still have no clue about debugging telepathy... | 11:55 |
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| pupnik | chem|st: sorry i have avoided that since 2002 | 11:58 |
| chem|st | pupnik: sip? | 11:59 |
| chem|st | a reboot did it (or the cssu upgrade) but I'd like to know what is hogging that sofia bitch | 12:00 |
| pupnik | oh sip sorry | 12:00 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Hi, isn't mobilehotspot supposed to depend on kernel-power? | 12:06 |
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| pupnik | i forgot | 12:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | Because it fails to initiate ("DEBUG: Command output: insmod: can't read '/lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/nf_conntrack.ko': No such file or directory"), and kernel-power seems not installed. Hoewer, it conflicts with mobilehotspot. | 12:07 |
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| FIQ|n900 | So i can't install it anyway | 12:07 |
| lcuk | FIQ|n900, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/mobilehotspot/0.3.5/ | 12:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | Oh, in extras-devel | 12:08 |
| lcuk | FIQ|n900, extras has 0.3.4 which might have different deps, http://maemo.org/packages/view/mobilehotspot/ | 12:09 |
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| pupnik | FIQ|n900: report your results pls | 12:11 |
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| pupnik | https://github.com/nullkey/glc/wiki/ screencast desktop opengl - to n900? | 12:39 |
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| RST38h | moo wazd | 12:44 |
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| wazd | RST38h: o/ | 13:13 |
| wazd | hi all | 13:13 |
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| FIQ|n900 | <pupnik> FIQ|n900: report your results pls | 13:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | I activated extras-devel, then installed kernel-power. Rebooted, installed mobilehotspot. It failed to work. But after one more reboot it seems to work (the UI looks like so, and no errors in the terminal. Hoewer, I can't test if it actually works atm. | 13:20 |
| FIQ|n900 | ) | 13:20 |
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| FIQ|n900 | will test if it worked when at home | 13:22 |
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| shanttu | Hi guys. Why omap2_mc psi takes 100% cpu after heavy load? It doesn't end after reboot. Is it ok to kill on terminal? | 13:34 |
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| shanttu | Sorry it doesn't end _until_ i reboot | 13:34 |
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| dashavoo | Happy Monday everyone (I'm not sure how I feel about it myself) | 14:14 |
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| * ruskie throws some spiky, sharp things at dashavoo | 14:15 | |
| merlin1991 | Mondays suck (because they start with a maths lecture for me) | 14:15 |
| dashavoo | ruskie: ouch =( | 14:16 |
| * merlin1991 copycats ruskie | 14:16 | |
| dashavoo | :( | 14:16 |
| ruskie | Mondays suck. No qualifier needed. | 14:16 |
| dashavoo | I had sharp things thrown at me, and now I have just remembered that I didn't bring lunch with me to work this morning | 14:17 |
| dashavoo | bah | 14:17 |
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| ruskie | :( | 14:19 |
| ruskie | I hate when I forget my lunch @home | 14:19 |
| dashavoo | I had a nasty surprise this morning, too. | 14:20 |
| dashavoo | I had set the clock wrong on my coffee machine, so it wasn't made when I stumbled into the kitchen this morning | 14:20 |
| dashavoo | That one was easily sorted though | 14:20 |
| dashavoo | It was worse the time that I forgot to put coffee in, and got up to a pot of hot water | 14:21 |
| ruskie | good thing I don't drink/consume coffee or caffinated stuff | 14:21 |
| dashavoo | ruskie: I didn't used to. I've always liked coffee, but before I started working here I drank it in moderation, just now and then. Now I have several cups a day. | 14:22 |
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| ruskie | dashavoo, any particular reason? | 14:22 |
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| dashavoo | ruskie: because there is a pot of coffee brewed at coffee break, and I'm not good at resisting things that are there, and in the morning I am not very coordinated or organised, so it is easier to set my coffee machine to make me a coffee than it is to make myself something else to drink when I get up | 14:24 |
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| ruskie | hehe | 14:24 |
| ruskie | replace coffee with a coffee substitute... | 14:24 |
| ruskie | that requires the same cooking process | 14:24 |
| kerio | amphetamines | 14:25 |
| dashavoo | Usually if I try to do something first thing in the morning, I end up breaking things | 14:25 |
| kerio | crystal meth | 14:25 |
| dashavoo | haha | 14:25 |
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| dashavoo | I have considered putting a small amount of chilli powder in with my morning coffee, just as an experiment | 14:25 |
| dashavoo | I am a bit of a heat-freak... I love chilli | 14:25 |
| kerio | it worked for erdös | 14:25 |
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| dashavoo | I noticed somewhere that the power kernel has mesh networking support... does anything/anyone actually use it? | 14:37 |
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| Tsuyo | Hey, i was here already ~ 7 hours ago. My phone always reboots after my brother killed my phone with "dpkg -r -a". If i want to put my phone on usb, it reboots/vibrates every 10 secs. Even loading the battery doesnt work, because it restarts every time | 14:42 |
| Tsuyo | Does someone have an idea? | 14:42 |
| Tsuyo | I have the N900 | 14:42 |
| merlin1991 | reflash? | 14:43 |
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| ruskie | wth is dpkg -r -a ? | 14:43 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/microsoft_apologises_about_bing_japan_quake_tweet/ <-- loath | 14:46 |
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| Tsuyo | It removes every package on the phone | 14:46 |
| Tsuyo | even the kernel. | 14:46 |
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| Tsuyo | merlin1991: Doesn't work. The phone reboots | 14:47 |
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| merlin1991 | Tsuyo even if you hold u when booting and have usb connected? | 14:47 |
| Tsuyo | Yeah | 14:48 |
| Tsuyo | I don't flash for my first time and have some experience. that's why i'm asking here :p | 14:48 |
| merlin1991 | Well normally when people ask about flashing they are first timers :) | 14:49 |
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| Tsuyo | I like to read first, before i ask dumb questions :p | 14:51 |
| Tsuyo | Well, but the 'net says nothing about this desease | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | speaking of diseases | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | whatever happened to H1N1? | 14:53 |
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| ruskie | what happend to all other disesases... became obscure for the panick media... | 14:54 |
| orlok | yeah, there are worse diseaes to worry about | 14:54 |
| Tsuyo | it was removed by the economy because no one wants to buy the vaccination | 14:55 |
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| Tsuyo | But that doesn't bring my phone back : / | 14:56 |
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| jonwil | Sucks that your phone wont even boot into flash mode so you can reflash it :( | 15:07 |
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| jonwil | You may have no choice but to take it to Nokia and get it fixed | 15:07 |
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| kerio | you're lying | 15:14 |
| pupnik | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/japan_streetview.jpg hahahaha | 15:19 |
| RST38h | pupnik: a real American! | 15:20 |
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| pupnik | "Tepco Simpson" http://i.imgur.com/9RV1Z.png | 15:20 |
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| * javispedro has found a funny xchat bug | 15:24 | |
| javispedro | so there's this function that shows or hides certain widgets, which is called when you resize the window and gtk+s size allocations are calculated | 15:24 |
| pupnik | yes? | 15:24 |
| javispedro | but of course, hiding or showing widgets can cause gtk+s size allocations to be reallocated | 15:25 |
| javispedro | *recalculated | 15:25 |
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| javispedro | which might cause xchat to again show and hide certain widgets, which causes gtk+ to recalculate sizes, which causes xchat to show/hide certain widgets... | 15:25 |
| lcuk | javispedro, that sort of problem used to occur on Windows too, where you have a frame with auto scrollbars, you calculate how much room you need, but it cuts into space needed by scrollbars so it needs adjusting again :P | 15:26 |
| javispedro | hehe | 15:26 |
| RST38h | javispedro: yea, well known crap | 15:26 |
| RST38h | Still occurs in Windows | 15:26 |
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| * lcuk used many hearty swearwords on those issues | 15:27 | |
| javispedro | fortunately, the workaround I found is to avoid certain window heights (multiples of a yet undetermined N I believe) | 15:28 |
| javispedro | and/or avoid using the channel switcher vertical tab bar altogether. | 15:29 |
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| dashavoo | Why is it that, despite having every email I have recieved since 2006, I can't find any proof of purchase for my N900? D= | 16:24 |
| dashavoo | Anyone who bought one from the nokia shop know what the subject would have been? | 16:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | ... | 16:24 |
| dashavoo | of course, I am assuming they sent some sort of email acknowledgement | 16:25 |
| jacekowski | it's not a proof of purchase | 16:25 |
| Robot101 | dashavoo: I got the email acknowledgements from noreply_NokiaUKonlineshop@nokia.com - but I think the actual invoice is sent with the device | 16:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Thank You For Your Purchase at Nokia UK Online Shop | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | From: <noreply_NokiaUKonlineshop@nokia.com> | 16:26 |
| dashavoo | jacekowski: the insurance people will possibly accept that, whereas they have said outright that my bankstatement won't do | 16:27 |
| jacekowski | dashavoo: you've lost it? | 16:27 |
| SpeedEvil | dashavoo: you're in the UK? | 16:27 |
| dashavoo | thanks everyone :), I'll search again for that ridiculously long email address later | 16:27 |
| dashavoo | SpeedEvil: yes, UK | 16:27 |
| SpeedEvil | dashavoo: Worst case, you can FOIA nokia shop. | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is a bit extreme, but... | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - not FOIA | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Subject access request under the data protection act. | 16:29 |
| dashavoo | jacekowski: my screen is broken, and I (family member) used the box for something and disposed of the invoice | 16:29 |
| dashavoo | SpeedEvil: thanks, if it comes to it, I will | 16:29 |
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| jacekowski | dashavoo: new screen may be cheaper than you excees | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | your* | 16:34 |
| dashavoo | jacekowski: the excess is only £25 | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | are you sure | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | who are you with? | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | lloyds? | 16:34 |
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| dashavoo | jacekowski: I can't remember who the insurance is actually with, I got the insurance via one of my parents as they had an offer for free mobile insurance for 4 devices | 16:36 |
| dashavoo | all of the paper work has been sent to their address, and I have been sending them details for them to send on | 16:36 |
| jacekowski | check if your excess is still 25 | 16:36 |
| jacekowski | it went up recently | 16:36 |
| jacekowski | and n900 lcd is less than £50 | 16:37 |
| dashavoo | Hmm. I'll check. If it is too high, then I'll just buy a new screen, but it is worth seeing first | 16:37 |
| dashavoo | jacekowski: really? That is less than I thought it was. | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | yes | 16:37 |
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| jacekowski | digitizer is like £20 | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Lcd-Screen-Display-Replacement-Part-TESTED_W0QQitemZ190510153231QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=217774370217&rvr_id=217774370217&cguid=cd6b525b12a0a0e20314c394fea9bd74 | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | £32 | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | with free shipping | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | That has come down! | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NOKIA-N900-LCD-SCREEN-DISPLAY-%20-FREE-TOOLS_W0QQitemZ270698110175QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=217786118324&rvr_id=217786118324&cguid=cd6b525b12a0a0e20314c394fea9bd74 | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | £36 | 16:39 |
| * mgedmin paid about £125 to have the cracked LCD on his N810 replaced at a local authorized Nokia repair shop a couple of years back... | 16:39 | |
| dashavoo | That is awesome, thanks | 16:39 |
| dashavoo | I'll bookmark that and possibly just forget about the insurance | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Though the digitiser may need replaced too | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | my has some holes in it | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | but it's still working | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | so i'm not bothered | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | And it is possible to screw up your device whn attempting repair. | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | how? | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | as long as you adhere to basic esd precautions | 16:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: The flex cable is very fragile, and the screws are tightened enough that you should really replace them. | 16:41 |
| jacekowski | i think you get new ones with that screen | 16:42 |
| dashavoo | It really is ironic that it wasn't until I reflashed in preparation for sending the phone for repair, that it started working at a decent speed | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | it's really ironic that someone who uses the term "ironic" doesn't know the definition of it. | 16:43 |
| crashanddie | dashavoo, are you, by any chance, a relative of Alanis Morissette? | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | of, or pertaining to iron. | 16:44 |
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| NiQ1 | hi, anyone has some experience with kernel compiling for maemo? | 16:45 |
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| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/fukushiima_analysis/ | 16:46 |
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| dashavoo | crashanddie: I understand the definition of crashanddie, and have had this argument many times before ;) | 16:47 |
| orlok | sounds like a discarded name from hackers | 16:47 |
| dashavoo | *ironic | 16:47 |
| dashavoo | I'm not sure how that happened | 16:47 |
| orlok | :) | 16:48 |
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| BCMM | RST38h: wow... | 16:58 |
| BCMM | for a start, material from the fuel rods has entered the environment. this always means the plant loses. | 16:59 |
| BCMM | also, using multiple redundant power supplies doesn't mean much when they can all be taken out at the same time | 16:59 |
| BCMM | "contains quite a lot of very short-lived (half-life measured in seconds) radioactive materials such as Nitrogen-16" - even the power company isn't claiming that anymore... | 17:01 |
| BCMM | hmm, i just realised i'm arguing with a Reg article... | 17:01 |
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| ZogG | Venemo, day | 17:04 |
| ZogG | hey every1 | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | orlok, I'll hack your IP and trace your VB script to get your webcam on Facebook... | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | orlok, so, d0nT m3ss w1th meh! | 17:05 |
| Venemo | hey ZogG, what's up? | 17:05 |
| Tsuyo | 127.0.0.1 | 17:05 |
| Tsuyo | come at me bro | 17:05 |
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| udovdh | 127.0.0.1?! | 17:06 |
| kerio | it's a trap! | 17:06 |
| udovdh | ::1! | 17:06 |
| Venemo | ZogG, are you familiar with Gnome? | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | udovdh++ | 17:06 |
| udovdh | :-) | 17:06 |
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| javispedro | BCMM:what is wrong with TheReg? they publish the BOFH stories! | 17:07 |
| ZogG | Venemo, yeap | 17:07 |
| ZogG | Venemo, little bit | 17:07 |
| ZogG | i use it on laptop | 17:07 |
| javispedro | BCMM:(not to mention that they pretty much repeat the IAEA story...) | 17:07 |
| dashavoo | ugh, I need to get back to working again... I wouldn't mind if this code wasn't so ugly | 17:08 |
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| crashanddie | dashavoo, pretty much the reason why I've been stalling all morning/afternoon. | 17:08 |
| crashanddie | So, I feel for you. | 17:09 |
| dashavoo | crashanddie: thanks | 17:09 |
| dashavoo | always good to know I am not suffering alone | 17:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I think he just hasn't got it | 17:09 |
| dashavoo | ah well, here I go | 17:09 |
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| ZogG | ruskie, are you ready to test? Venemo has coded it =) | 17:58 |
| rm_work | Jaffa: you around? | 17:58 |
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| ZogG | damn timeouts | 18:02 |
| Venemo | hey ZogG, I didn't code it. I was just helping you. | 18:02 |
| ZogG | haha | 18:03 |
| ZogG | i messed too much | 18:03 |
| ZogG | but now i have a start =) | 18:03 |
| Venemo | I just organized your code in a suitable way :) | 18:03 |
| ZogG | Venemo how do i set the title? | 18:04 |
| Venemo | ZogG, title of what? | 18:04 |
| ZogG | window | 18:04 |
| Venemo | double click the mainwindow.ui file, and on the list at the right side select the main window. then the window title should be at the properties window | 18:05 |
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| ZogG | yeah found it, just thought to do it with command =) | 18:07 |
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| Venemo | ZogG, what you can do with the UI designer, don't do with code | 18:08 |
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| ZogG | Venemo, true | 18:18 |
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| NiQ1 | hi, anyone has some experience with the n900 kernel? | 18:22 |
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| pupnik | i entered some magic numbers to make it faster :D | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (Fuckishima) the best one I've seen so far: http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2011/03/fukushima_crisis_anatomy_of_a.html | 19:16 |
| Robot101 | burn through concrete? that's not quite right | 19:17 |
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| Robot101 | the concrete containment is entirely designed to catch the core if it melts | 19:18 |
| Robot101 | it's the last line of defence | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, alas even concrete melts at <2000°C | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | google for china syndrome | 19:19 |
| ZogG | ruskie, =( | 19:19 |
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| Robot101 | assuming it's uncooled. which it's not - hence the steam (and hydrogen) | 19:19 |
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| ZogG | Venemo, if i want to use several lines and different fonts, do i need to use 2 labels or Qt magic can do it with one? | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | how would you cool the concrete wehn a massive blob of 70 tons withglowing molten radioactive gue sits on it? | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/with/white/. | 19:20 |
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| ZogG | ice cubes? | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | might help if yu suck on them, at least for your mood | 19:22 |
| Robot101 | well, they can tell from the material leaving the reactor that it's not got to that stage yet - and this is not primary uranium reaction at 1000sC, it's residual heat from the secondary reactions, at 100sC | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | even japan gvmt is now admitting core melt in 3 reactors, I heard | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | partial, but meh | 19:23 |
| Robot101 | yeah, due to the tops of fuel rods being exposed | 19:23 |
| Robot101 | hence the seawater | 19:23 |
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| ZogG | http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, sea water is so much better than the originally present water of the reactor | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems they decided to fill in seawater, wait 1 day, release radioactive steam, rinse repeat | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the next 3 months | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | *might* work | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I honestly doubt | 19:25 |
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| Robot101 | well, they ran out of deionised water. and it shouldn't be months, the emergency shutdown worked already | 19:25 |
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| BCMM | even if it works, that steam surely contains medium-long half-life stuff? | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BS, there's no emergency shutdown for chill down, as clearly explained here in this chan ~18h ago, and also detailled in that article. | 19:26 |
| BCMM | i don't know which caesium is out | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | there is emergency shutdown | 19:27 |
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| BCMM | but Cs-137 is a good candidate, being a common fission product | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | "I'm your CPU, you obviously know more than I do, so I'm taking a rest *fries*" | 19:28 |
| BCMM | it has a 30-year half-life... | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | which got triggered for ALL JP nuke plants 10s before the earthquake | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ | 19:28 |
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| BCMM | so even if they "succeed" with the seawater, they're causing long-term contamination | 19:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you know they have some 10-30s prewarn time on earthquakes, based on P-waves | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: sure | 19:29 |
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| BCMM | Cs-137 is one of the major reasons there is still a zone around chernobyl | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are at severity 4.5 of 5 now, and try desparately to avoid 5+ | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | (that's my take on it, no facts) | 19:30 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Japan never suffered cause of the quakes | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | the tsunami is what did all the damage | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | core melt is going on in 3 blocks, cooling failed on 4 - that's semi-confirmed facts | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | next block to go boom: #2 | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | amazingly few info about fukushima-II | 19:32 |
| BCMM | the most worrying bit is that the latest explosion was in the building housing the reactor with the plutonium | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | just the salt in the soup | 19:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i wonder are there any ussd codes or opion to get info on billing (i mean spent, minutes talked and so on) | 19:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.renault-ze.com/en-gb/news/twizy-lab/zoom-61796.html&idItem=1500&self=1 - the car of the future! | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | (plz vote, I want free car!) I thought goatse was a bit obvious. | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 19:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | In principle it's an interesting vehicle - it's just completely wacked from a style POV. | 19:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_laptop: depends on what your carrier supports | 19:39 |
| javispedro | I SCREAM! | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | those are *S*upplementary codes | 19:40 |
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| frals | hm | 19:46 |
| frals | what do i need to force rotation in applications? | 19:46 |
| merlin1991 | cssu ;) | 19:47 |
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| JakDaRippa | anyone here using boost mobile on their nokia n900? i'm with tmobile now and thinking about switching and wanted some input. | 19:50 |
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| wmarone__ | boost mobile is CDMA (using Sprint's network) and will not work with the N900 | 19:52 |
| JakDaRippa | damn. there goes that idea | 19:52 |
| JakDaRippa | so i'm stuck with tmobile and at&t? | 19:53 |
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| wmarone__ | yup | 19:53 |
| wmarone__ | or if you can find a GSM based carrier other than them | 19:54 |
| * wmarone__ is on AT&T | 19:54 | |
| ds3 | what would cause fmms to crash with a trace back ? tail line in /tmp/fmms.log - ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '50:8080' | 19:54 |
| JakDaRippa | what plan do you have? how's the service? | 19:54 |
| wmarone__ | JakDaRippa: basic plan with 400 minutes and $15/mo "unlimited" data, and it works without issue | 19:55 |
| JakDaRippa | what about text msg'ing? | 19:55 |
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| wmarone__ | JakDaRippa: no plan, cheaper to just eat the $0.20 per text for as few as I get | 19:56 |
| wmarone__ | still a ripoff ;) | 19:56 |
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| wmarone__ | ds3: improperly parsing a URL (looks like it's choking on the port number tacked on to the last octet...) | 19:56 |
| JakDaRippa | do they have something like 'friends and family' or 'myfaves'? | 19:57 |
| ds3 | wmarone__: that's what I thought but further up fmms.fmms_config_dialog... shows it having the right port | 19:57 |
| ds3 | it is as if there is an internal self inconsistancy | 19:57 |
| wmarone__ | JakDaRippa: believe they do | 19:57 |
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| wmarone__ | ds3: well, perhaps there's a flaw down in the proxy config, since that's what :8080 makes me think | 19:57 |
| ds3 | let me see if it is still compiled python | 19:58 |
| ds3 | cool .py files there now | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | another good one: http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/14/fukushima-more-technical-info/ | 20:03 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder where I could get QGLWidget | 20:12 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: how do you mean? | 20:13 |
| alterego | You instantiate it yourself :P | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, the headers are missing | 20:13 |
| alterego | QT += opengl | 20:13 |
| alterego | ? | 20:13 |
| alterego | ;) | 20:13 |
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| MohammadAG | heh, thanks alterego | 20:16 |
| alterego | np | 20:16 |
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| MohammadAG | holy crap that's fast | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, any disadvantages | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 20:17 |
| alterego | Nope | 20:18 |
| alterego | Not really. | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | I remember you mentioned something when you were making the XBox remote app | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | Xbox* | 20:18 |
| NiQ1 | hi, anyone can help with kernel issues? | 20:18 |
| alterego | Yeah, that uses a qglwidget | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, but I remember something about anti-aliasing issues | 20:18 |
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| NiQ1 | plz? | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | ~ask | 20:19 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | against our will lol | 20:19 |
| BCMM | just one of the odd things about freenode, really | 20:19 |
| alterego | Hrm, there's some precision errors sometimes, which was because of my very complex widgets | 20:19 |
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| alterego | But I managed to fix those by making the images smaller. | 20:20 |
| BCMM | newbies presumably think that it's rude to just ask, like in real life | 20:20 |
| BCMM | NiQ1: ask away! | 20:20 |
| NiQ1 | typing :) | 20:20 |
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| NiQ1 | trying to install a custom kernel. unforetunately it does not load and the n900 restarts. trying to debug. enabled framebuffer so i can see debug messages but unfortunately can't follow (too quick for me). any ideas how to log them somewhere? | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | this is awesome! | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 20:21 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: what is? | 20:21 |
| ds3 | I have said it before and I'll say it again - google blows chunks | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | if there's a kernel oops, it's logged to an mtdblock | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, openGL accelerated QML | 20:21 |
| ds3 | search for fmms and it gives me a bazillion hits on MMS WTF | 20:21 |
| E0x | first result of google when i search for fmms : [Announce] fMMS for N900 - maemo.org - Talk | 20:22 |
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| BCMM | can QML use normal-looking qt widgets? | 20:22 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, the open media player look neat | 20:22 |
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| alterego | NiQ1: if you put your N900 in R&D mode it wont reset on fatals | 20:22 |
| NiQ1 | doesn't seem like a kernel oops - one of the things i have noticed is that the system goes into act_dead state and then an unidentified process touches /tmp/shutdown and the machine halts. | 20:23 |
| ZogG | but video quality... | 20:23 |
| alterego | BCMM: no, though Qt Components is working towards that goal | 20:23 |
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| ds3 | E0x: I was looking for fmms proxy settings and it dumps me into matches for MMS | 20:23 |
| ds3 | I am convinced something in recent veresions broq. | 20:24 |
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| shanttu | Hi. Asked this earlier without response. Why omap2_mc psi takes 100% cpu after heavy load? Process does not end until I reboot. Is it ok to kill? | 20:25 |
| NiQ1 | will try rnd mode w/ no lifeguard reset | 20:26 |
| BCMM | hmm ogl accelerated QML is going to make KDE's plasma really, really fast... | 20:26 |
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| alterego | It makes my MeeGo QML dialer really slick ;) | 20:27 |
| NiQ1 | doesn't work... will appreciate any other idea. | 20:28 |
| alterego | Hopefully as I come to the end of this contract I'llhave earned enough cash to dedicate a couple of weeks to a month on MeeGo and Maemo dev | 20:28 |
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| NiQ1 | is there any way to completely halt the system when it attempts to shut down? | 20:30 |
| ruskie | take out the battery? | 20:31 |
| NiQ1 | halt = keep whatever is on the screen still on the screen :) | 20:31 |
| ruskie | erm... this isn't enik | 20:31 |
| ruskie | erm eink | 20:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hehe. Found someone confused linking people to IKEA, not IAEA | 20:33 |
| NiQ1 | or alternatively, how can i tell which process called the shutdown? | 20:33 |
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| mece | ffs not entirely simple to replace ff3.6 with 4.0 | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | NiQ1, follow the startup | 20:34 |
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| mece | ogl qml really doesn't work properly on my n900 for some reason. | 20:35 |
| NiQ1 | that's the whole issue, it's too quick and i can't read it before the system shuts down | 20:35 |
| rzr | does E7 worth n900 ? | 20:35 |
| mece | rzr, ?? | 20:36 |
| mece | rzr, N900 < E7, if that's what you're asking. | 20:36 |
| mece | eiku | 20:36 |
| mece | siis | 20:36 |
| mece | rzr, N900 > E7, duh | 20:36 |
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| rzr | i got a E7 to swap for a N900 :) | 20:36 |
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| mece | rzr, I guess it depends on what you do. E7 is much more expensive. You should get 2 N900's for one E7 | 20:37 |
| rzr | E7 is not for QT hacking | 20:37 |
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| rzr | but it will lack the unix underlayer | 20:38 |
| rzr | for me | 20:38 |
| rzr | (19:37:51) rzr: E7 is not for QT hacking | 20:38 |
| rzr | -not | 20:38 |
| rzr | +ok | 20:38 |
| rzr | just ran the update | 20:39 |
| rzr | and he suggest me to install msn | 20:39 |
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| rzr | aww | 20:39 |
| mece | rzr, are you talking about an E7 now? | 20:39 |
| rzr | i am typing on left hand on the kb , the e7 is in my right one :) | 20:40 |
| rzr | n810 is on my right | 20:40 |
| rzr | and e61 on the left | 20:40 |
| rzr | i see this beast is 495EUR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E7-00 | 20:41 |
| mece | rzr, what was the question again?? | 20:42 |
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| rzr | (19:39:25) mece: rzr, are you talking about an E7 now? | 20:44 |
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| mece | rzr, well you started with "rzr: does E7 worth n900 ?" and I'm wondering what that means. | 20:45 |
| pupnik | rzr: does e7 have shorter battery life than n8? | 20:45 |
| pupnik | looks like there's less space in there | 20:46 |
| mece | pupnik, hw is sexier at least :) | 20:46 |
| pupnik | is symbian's image worse than the substance? | 20:47 |
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| NiQ1 | ok, trying another approach. suppose the error is logged to syslog, i'll attempt to dump it to a file before shutting down. | 20:48 |
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| mece | pupnik, well it looks old. | 20:49 |
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| MohammadAG | symbian's meh | 20:52 |
| frals | bah, rotation is fubar on fremantle | 20:52 |
| lcuk | frals, using CSSU? | 20:53 |
| frals | no, using pr1.3 and hildon.hildon_gtk_window_set_portrait_flags(self.window, hildon.PORTRAIT_MODE_SUPPORT) | 20:54 |
| lcuk | what are you experiencing? | 20:54 |
| frals | its useless at detecing rotation and some times mce doesnt emit the rotation signal... hoping there is some nice callback on window rotation from gtk but im guessing not :P | 20:55 |
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| MohammadAG | it works well for me | 20:55 |
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| * lcuk gets the .HEL crew to come along and rotate frals | 20:56 | |
| lcuk | althought you would have to write a signal handler for girly_scream(); | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | wow, they can do that? | 20:56 |
| ieatlint | frals: look for resize events and test if w>h | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | gdk emits a signal for that | 20:57 |
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| frals | ieatlint, MohammadAG: cheers | 20:58 |
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| ieatlint | :) | 20:59 |
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| frals | right... switching to a new stackable window means it forgets it was in portrait and goes back to landscape? :P | 21:11 |
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| frals | MohammadAG: any solution? ;) | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | frals is the task switcher button small in landscape after it flips? | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG | if not, set_transient or whatever gtk's set parent window is called :P | 21:15 |
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| MohammadAG | gtk_window_set_transient i think | 21:15 |
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| frals | yeah the task switcher button is small but it goes to landscape | 21:15 |
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| MohammadAG | is the new parented to the main one? | 21:16 |
| frals | ye | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | if so, it's your hildon-desktop being an asshole | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | a reboot will kick it again | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | a killall will break it more :p | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | I still don't know why it happens | 21:17 |
| frals | or hm | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | but it's very annoying, made me waste an hour | 21:17 |
| frals | maybe i dont actually set the parent when i use this path | 21:17 |
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| frals | ... this is the downside not looking at the code more than once a month :p | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | I never got PyGtk or PyQt tbh | 21:18 |
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| MohammadAG | found C/C++ much faster | 21:18 |
| frals | no difference if its pygtk or plain gtk, its still horrible compared to qt :p | 21:18 |
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| MohammadAG | gtk isn't that bad | 21:19 |
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| * MohammadAG looks at gobject with fear | 21:19 | |
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| MohammadAG | frals, ever considered a C/Gtk rewrite? | 21:19 |
| frals | yes, and rejected it ;) | 21:20 |
| frals | if i would rewrite id to it in qt/qml | 21:20 |
| frals | s/to/do/ | 21:20 |
| infobot | frals meant: if i would rewrite id do it in qt/qml | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | QML's sexy | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | Qt's nice to work with, not much to worry about | 21:21 |
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| Trizt | moikka | 21:29 |
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| frals | sweet, all my problems went away with a reboot | 21:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | I tried that. It diddn't fix my broken central heating. | 21:36 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, did you fsck the eMMC? | 21:37 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, told ya :) | 21:39 |
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| pupnik | "Tepco Simpson" http://i.imgur.com/9RV1Z.png | 22:30 |
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| chx | let's hope they are more clueful than that | 22:32 |
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| Jaffa | rm_work: pong | 22:40 |
| rm_work | Jaffa: hey :P | 22:40 |
| rm_work | I thought I remembered earlier someone saying you were the person to talk to about hostmasks here, could be wrong | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | rm_work: X-Fade specifically, but he deputised me ;-) | 22:41 |
| rm_work | heh | 22:41 |
| rm_work | well, can you help me out? :P | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | rm_work: Send me an email to andrew@bleb.org with your freenode user name | 22:41 |
| rm_work | k | 22:42 |
| rm_work | done, thanks :) | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, am I right in thinking that when you request a cloak you are entered into a free draw to win a /maemo/council cloak upgrade instead? :P | 22:45 |
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| bman | i was trying to install a older alpha of fennec for n800/diablo and install keeps failing due to pkill | 22:46 |
| bman | what package is pkill in? | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Something like that. But then you have to email maemo-community as well. And it's a time-limited offer. | 22:46 |
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| bman | whats a time limited offer? | 22:47 |
| lcuk | rm_work, to be in with a chance of a nice new cloak made out of the finest threads, send a mail to the Maemo Community ML syaing "I nominate myself for a cloak (and the council thingy)" | 22:47 |
| rm_work | :P | 22:48 |
| RST38h | I think the best incentive will be money though. | 22:48 |
| * RST38h smiles evilly | 22:48 | |
| bman | what am i missing | 22:48 |
| lcuk | obviously a cloak | 22:49 |
| lcuk | RST38h, well noone has ever said otherwise | 22:50 |
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| ZogG | Jaffa, haha i heard that too. may i email too? | 22:51 |
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| pupnik | i just discovered how good gimp's sinc scaler for enlarging images - http://i.imgur.com/0nisj.gif | 22:53 |
| pronto | http://www.gifbin.com/985114 im so confused | 22:53 |
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| ZogG | pupnik, that's what she told me | 22:54 |
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| pupnik | impressive pronto | 22:56 |
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| pronto | d'oh didnt mean to post that in here | 22:56 |
| ZogG | now i have to check it | 22:56 |
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| * Arkenoi ordered 3-pack of scud batteries, will see if those are really that good | 22:57 | |
| bman | what package is pkill in? | 22:57 |
| bman | better question, anyone got fennec/firefox4 working on n800 | 22:57 |
| bman | i had a old version 1.0 working and havent been able to install 1.1 or newer | 22:58 |
| pupnik | i wish we had a 'cryopid' | 22:58 |
| derf | I don't think we've been actively testing against Maemo 4 for some time. | 22:58 |
| bman | i noticed that, the last version i found built for maemo4 was 1.1 | 22:59 |
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| bman | but it fails to install because its looking for pkill | 22:59 |
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| bman | i made a pkill and dropped it in /bin and it still fails so its looking for pkill in some hard coded path i assume | 23:00 |
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| derf | pkill is /usr/bin/pkill on my N900. | 23:00 |
| bman | im a ff extension builder and want to test my shit on a device (i dont have n900 or android) | 23:00 |
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| derf | So you might try dropping it there. | 23:00 |
| bman | i tried in /usr/bin/pkill link to /bin/pkill (ln -s) and it still fails | 23:01 |
| derf | You could also try asking in #mobile on irc.mozilla.org. | 23:01 |
| derf | Someone there probably knows more than I do. | 23:01 |
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| bman | thanks | 23:04 |
| bman | i just posted in there too | 23:04 |
| bman | wonder why they stopped building for n800 | 23:04 |
| bman | free n900's? | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not been keeping up over the past few days. | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Have there been any meegodevice rumors I've missed? | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, ping | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, no, they replaced MeeGo with Windows Phone 9! | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | they skipped 8, it was obsolete apparently | 23:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | bman: a couple of problems | 23:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | one the people who made the sdk for maemo screwed up | 23:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | there was a toolchain update | 23:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | and it pulled in a libc which wasn't actually shipped to maemo4 or something fun like that | 23:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | and no one reported that they'd been shipping broken binaries for well over a week | 23:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | i.e. there were no customers | 23:07 |
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| bman | i used it | 23:08 |
| bman | but it was version 1.0 | 23:08 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i'm talking about the nightlies | 23:08 |
| bman | it wasnt doing auto updates | 23:08 |
| bman | yeah i wasnt using nightlies | 23:08 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, nevermind, solved it :D | 23:08 |
| bman | so 1.1 is the last version for maemo4 then i guess | 23:08 |
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| ZogG | bman еру йгуыешщт црн еру ыещззув ыгззщке т900 тщкьфддн фы цудд =) | 23:12 |
| ZogG | ooops | 23:12 |
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| bman | woo | 23:12 |
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| ZogG_laptop | bman never mind | 23:16 |
| bman | yeah | 23:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | but look i can do like this too שלום | 23:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | מה קורא? =) | 23:16 |
| * lcuk thinks this place is starting to look more and more like the graffiti wall every day | 23:17 | |
| ZogG_laptop | lcuk, is it bad? | 23:18 |
| lcuk | well with the sketch fonts, nope :) | 23:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | =( | 23:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's hebrew | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | ZogG_laptop, it could be herbrew for all I care :) it is good to see variety | 23:21 |
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| RST38h | ZogG: Do stick to English though:not everyone can read Hebrew | 23:22 |
| RST38h | [hell, my ircii can't even display unicode] | 23:22 |
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| ZogG | RST38h use xchat | 23:25 |
| RST38h | sorry, no xchat inside an ssh session | 23:25 |
| ZogG | and i don't think anyone here speaks hebrew | 23:25 |
| ZogG | RST38h, why ssh? | 23:25 |
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| RST38h | why ask? | 23:26 |
| FauxFaux | ZogG: To allow the use of screen. | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Does MohammadAG? | 23:26 |
| ZogG | sup | 23:27 |
| haj | RST38h: irssi | 23:28 |
| haj | mmmmh | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, speak hebrew? barely | 23:29 |
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| kerio | i know aleph and beth | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG | though I could tell what ZogG said above, obviously | 23:29 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, you are half way there | 23:30 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG do you have arabic layout? | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | <RST38h> [hell, my ircii can't even display unicode] <-- teehehehe :P | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, sorry, don't use arabic on my PC | 23:31 |
| kerio | utf8 pwns j00 | 23:31 |
| ZogG | kerio =) | 23:32 |
| ZogG | геа8 аец | 23:32 |
| ZogG | utf8 | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | I have to say | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | QML rocks for everything but lists | 23:32 |
| ZogG | damn it's hard to have 3 langs | 23:32 |
| ZogG | i always mess with layouts | 23:32 |
| kerio | sıɥʇ op uɐɔ noʎ ǝsnɐɔǝq zǝןnɹ 8ɟʇn | 23:33 |
| ruskie | hehe | 23:33 |
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| ZogG | utf8 ♥ | 23:35 |
| ZogG | ☭ | 23:35 |
| ZogG | can we manage compose key on n900? | 23:35 |
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| vi__ | ...proceed | 23:49 |
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| vi__ | did anyone read about the SCUD battery? | 23:50 |
| vi__ | it has 1500mAh... | 23:51 |
| ThreeM | any link? | 23:51 |
| vi__ | check forum, dr_frost_dk's thread | 23:52 |
| vi__ | it is one of the latest he has tested | 23:53 |
| ThreeM | im skeptic | 23:55 |
| RST38h | hehe, Oracle JavaSE SDK does not install:the installer hangs | 23:55 |
| RST38h | What a pileof crap... | 23:55 |
| ThreeM | like the android sdk :) | 23:56 |
| vi__ | lol | 23:56 |
| vi__ | java | 23:56 |
| vi__ | write once | 23:56 |
| vi__ | crash anywhere | 23:56 |
| * MohammadAG needs to figure out how to null on delete | 23:57 | |
| RST38h | ptr = 0; <=== | 23:57 |
| RST38h | no? | 23:57 |
| vi__ | is that like a bong? | 23:57 |
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