IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-03-12

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MohammadAGGAN900, :)00:01
GAN900tybollt, no idea.00:02
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DocScrutinizer51javispedro: which app of yours?00:02
ZogG_workchrome on windows + web freenode = terrible fonts00:02
ZogG_worki forgot AC adapter for laptop at home, now i would kill myself00:03
ZogG_workDocScrutinizer51: don't try to stop me00:03
GAN900DocScrutinizer51, nothing particularly grueling, but, as Stskeeps is so fond of refraining: Dive in and get to work on what bothers you.00:03
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: "cfmradio", "C FM Radio"00:03
GAN900tybollt, 6 months out of anything even remotely resembling that hook-in. ;)00:04
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: it's on extras-testing.00:04
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DocScrutinizer51btw audio works after a restart now00:05
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DocScrutinizer51javispedro: I'll give that a try when I'm back home. this app now is really borked in some ways00:06
javispedrowell the reason I've not pushed mine to extras yet is because I fear some weird interactions with phone calls when using it00:07
javispedroand I don't want to repeat the initial fmradio fiasco..00:07
MohammadAGuse libplayback00:07
MohammadAGor listen to /com/nokia/csd00:07
javispedroI know that; however grimme did listen for lots of extra notifications00:08
javispedroI do not want to extend my tentacles all over the system for such a simple function, so I'm trying to decide what is the requisite minimum00:08
MohammadAGi still don't get one thing though00:08
MohammadAGhow does the stock mediaplayer sound a beep instead of full sounds00:08
javispedro"sound a beep"?00:08
MohammadAGbut mine doesn't00:08
MohammadAGeven though they're both using mafw00:09
DocScrutinizer51javispedro: you'll have to update my memory about those fmradio issues with calls - when I'm back home00:09
MohammadAGjavispedro, when you get a notification while music's playing00:09
MohammadAGyou get a beep instead of the ringing tone00:09
javispedrothat is probably our little ohmd friend.00:09
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javispedroyou can't emulate the same behaviour on mohammediaplayer?00:10
MohammadAGnot with mafw, there's something else00:10
javispedrooh, oh.00:10
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javispedrothe only other source I know for metadata would be libplayback.00:10
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MohammadAGi mean, you can even resume playback without the stock mediaplayer (dbus magic), and sound would still not turn to beeps00:10
MohammadAGso it's obviously a bug in mafw, that was "fixed" in mediaplayer00:11
javispedrohum, weird.00:11
javispedrodoes your app get muted when a notification arrives?00:11
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MohammadAGtechnically it's not mine, it's mafw-gst-renderer00:13
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* javispedro was going to write "fully assimilated community members"00:13
javispedrowrong choice of words I guess.00:13
andre__javispedro: GSoC - everything going fine, or can I help somehow? (deadline in 45min)00:13
javispedro(let's go to #meego)00:14
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andre__oops. true :)00:14
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ZogG_workMohammadAG: ping00:54
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DocScrutinizeruhuh, so cfmradio... Let's see01:18
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javispedroquick, I'm going to play some game in few minutes...01:23
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DocScrutinizer51javispedro: quite funny01:28
javispedrowhat is funny?01:28
DocScrutinizer51I started cfm, plugged then unplugged headset ->acoustic feedback speaker 2 mic, no more radio01:29
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javispedrodon't do that for the time being =), use headphones only. will fix later.01:31
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: pressure in turbine containment >2* ABS MAX. Venting impossible, not enough power left over to operate the valves02:15
DocScrutinizerevacuation radius extended from 3km to 10km02:17
DocScrutinizerradiation in control room 1000* normal02:19
* SpeedEvil cues the 'brave sir Robin' song.02:19
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DocScrutinizerCNN swaggers about concrete containments, enormous safeguard system in Japan's nuke plants, and about not even a core meltdown is a really severe thing, ""as you can see looking at 3 miles island""02:22
SpeedEvilIn some ways that's right. Done right.02:24
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DocScrutinizertime for 12648430   ☕02:24
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DrGrovSo, Japan could actually stand a core meltdown?02:31
DocScrutinizerfunny  Japanese can't react on events directly, as everything has to get reported up to minister of energy or whatever, and when he says "OK, throw that switch" then they can do. Then report back "switch blocked, shall we use secondary switch?"02:31
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Yeah, that is funny02:32
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Not when happening disasters etc. but otherwise.02:33
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Did you get any sources on that CNN about the plants and a core meltdown is not a severe thing?02:33
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Thank you, will read it02:42
DocScrutinizeractually you shouldn't - it's directly from Siemens marketing nonsense02:43
* merlin1991 officially hates cmake in scratchbox02:43
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: How do you mean?02:45
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Is there any risk of any radioactive waste landing in Europe?02:45
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: I don't agree with the generally pro-nuklear notion in that CNN article02:46
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: I think it's not objective02:46
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I see. So no risk for Europe in this case? Apparently no new Chernobyl?02:47
DocScrutinizernobody knows02:47
DrGrovYes of course. There is always a chance that it might get into Europe as well that radioactive waste.02:47
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villagerregardless of bias, I do believe the modern japanese knows how to build safer nuclear plants than the russians were back then02:52
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merlin1991I'm lost atm, where do app icons and .desktop files go /usr/share/applictions/hildon and /usr/share/icons/hicolor... or the folders in /opt/maemo02:55
* DocScrutinizer is all for 1 day of downtime for every minute of delay between the moment *any* remarkable incident is happening in a nuklear power plant, and the moment this info is propagated to the authorities (at least 3 independent entities, like local fireguard, district emergency management, ministry)02:55
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CorsacDocScrutinizer: there's no need to limit that to nuclear power plants though02:56
Corsacchemical industry, petrol raffineries, whatever02:56
merlin1991anyone care to enlight me?02:56
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: depends. If your icon is significantly larger than a symlink (which it regularly is), then it goes to /opt and gets symlinked from /usr/share02:57
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: at least that's my take on it02:58
ZogG_workVenemo: where are you from?02:59
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: don't ask me though if this auto-optification thingie is doing that for you02:59
ZogG_worki see you mostly at nights around here02:59
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DocScrutinizer\o/ auxiliary cooling system down in a second reactor block03:03
VenemoZogG_work: Hungary03:04
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VenemoZogG_work: and you?03:05
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: I'm infected by a heretical idea - powerkernel for meego03:30
DocScrutinizeron N900-maemo we got the neutered kernel Nokia flavoured for us. On N900-meego we see a similar problem, as the meego paradigm seems still forbids a lot of desirable hacks that never will go upstream. E.G. hostmode, proper drivers for LP5523-LYSTII LED driver, LIS302 accelerometer etc03:34
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erstaziDocScrutinizer: have you used the power kernel for maemo?03:36
DocScrutinizerThe particular issues are quite different, almost diametrically opposite, to what we see on maemo kernel. Still the overall rationale justifying a powerkernel feels similar03:36
DocScrutinizererstazi: well, I'm supposed to, don't you think? :-D03:37
erstaziDocScrutinizer: haha03:37
erstaziDocScrutinizer: joshing you03:37
DocScrutinizerat very least to check if h-e-n got properly integrated03:37
* merlin1991 applied for extras-devel upload rights :)03:38
ZogG_workVenemo: Israel03:43
ZogG_workVenemo: wanted to ask, if i have static int func, where do i anounce it in class in *.h file ?03:43
ZogG_workDocScrutinizer: oh and you too here,  do you ever sleep guys?03:44
DocScrutinizernah, I can't. every 30 min some fool is highlighting and asking me if I'm asleep ;-P03:46
ZogG_workhaha so u are saying you are connected to computer and get electric shock on every highlight?03:46
* merlin1991 highlights DocScrutinizer for the lulz03:46
DocScrutinizerduh, tsunami hit California shore now?03:49
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Yeah, I am watching CNN International and it sure seems like a tsunami has hit the California shore03:52
ZogG_workwe getting close to 201203:52
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DocScrutinizermaya calendar?03:53
DocScrutinizeror was it Aztec03:54
ZogG_workdead world calendar03:54
DrGrovJust happy not live anywhere where there is a risk for a tsunami03:54
DrGrovFinland is a safe place for nature disasters03:54
ZogG_workDocScrutinizer: it was google calendar03:54
DrGrovHope all well for the Japanese people03:54
DocScrutinizererr, they are facing ~3 core meltdowns in their nuclear powerplants03:55
ZogG_workIf i was japanese i would sent some nuces to you. it's all about sharing03:55
lolcatDocScrutinizer: One more and they'd have a quad03:55
ZogG_worklolcat: yeah they are bleding-edge03:56
dangergrrldon't have to worry much in central texas about natural disasters03:58
dangergrrlthe tornados stop north of here03:58
n900evilDrGrov: volcanos, earthquake, flash flood, fire.03:59
dangergrrltoo far inland for hurricanes to be a major problem03:59
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dangergrrlgrew up with hurricanes, those are intense03:59
dangergrrlgreat reason to have a party and get trashed03:59
n900evilMost harsh weather here is -20C some winters.04:00
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dangergrrli prefer colorado04:00
dangergrrlbut i'm here for now04:00
n900evil-14 is more common few nights a year temp.04:00
dangergrrlit was -28C one morning last year when i was in denver04:01
dangergrrlthat was brutal04:01
dangergrrlit was also not fun when we got 1m of snow in 24 hours :)04:02
ZogG_workn900evil: than u are not evil04:02
dangergrrlmaybe they have an evil n900 :)04:03
dangergrrli'm beginning to think mine could be possessed04:03
ZogG_workwatching  swordfish04:03
dangergrrlit's made me flash it twice04:03
n900evil1m in 24h would be bad.04:03
n900evilSwordfish has two good points.04:03
dangergrrlok, the first time i know what i did wrong04:03
dangergrrlthe second time i was sure i did it right and it crashed even wierder04:04
dangergrrli'm gonna try again later a little different04:05
dangergrrli hate it when i try to do something myself my own way and i break something04:06
ZogG_workn900evil: like?04:06
n900evilZogG_work: On Ms Berry.04:07
ZogG_worki don't remember the movie04:07
ZogG_workthat's why i rewatch it04:07
psycho_oreosswordfish was lame movie04:08
ZogG_workpsycho_oreos: you are lame04:09
psycho_oreosZogG_work, I know you are04:09
ZogG_workDocScrutinizer: wake up04:09
ZogG_worktell him i'm awesome04:10
DocScrutinizer51California: 1 person missed, damage of up to $2M, after first tsunami reaching the shore04:12
ZogG_workhaha i like the way he types04:13
ZogG_worki know people who types like that04:13
ZogG_workbut they acvtually type things04:13
ZogG_workand all hsit he is doing is stupid04:13
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ZogG_workhow do you crack something when u have only login and he somehowe gets to console to crack 128 bit encryption with even no bruteforce04:15
ZogG_workhaha now i got it04:16
ZogG_workthe hackers family name was torvalds04:16
ZogG_workand he is Finish04:16
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer: sounds fun.04:17
ZogG_workit's obv, this person just took 2M$ and ran away04:18
DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: what exactly?04:19
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51: powerkernel.04:19
GeneralAntillesAlthough sounds complicated considering the hardware requirements.04:19
DocScrutinizer51damn, Kesenuma looks like Dresden on fire04:21
ZogG_workwhy don't you sleep or out on friday night?04:21
ZogG_worki think i'm on nerds chan04:21
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GeneralAntillesZogG_work, sitting in the family room with family.04:22
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ZogG_workGeneralAntilles: wrong04:23
ZogG_workyou sit in a room full of family woth your n900laptop or whatever04:23
ZogG_workthey have those old nokia pgones with antena04:24
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: what's complicated in porting a few nice drivers / patches to meego kernel04:24
ZogG_workhalle berry is hot04:25
ZogG_workGeneralAntilles: so u are from stockholme04:26
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer: shit if I know. *g*04:26
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dangergrrlthere are some broken suggests: in package dependencies04:27
ZogG_workhmm whois was wrong than04:27
dangergrrlfindutils-gnu seems to suggest mlocate, slocate, and locate04:27
* merlin1991 finally got the package to build04:27
dangergrrlnone of which exists04:27
merlin1991time for bed :D04:27
dangergrrlfindutils should include slocate04:27
GeneralAntillesZogG_work: my host is masked.04:30
ZogG_workGeneralAntilles: you are ninja hacker04:31
ZogG_workcan't be seen04:31
ZogG_workcan't be cut04:32
GeneralAntillesI can probably be cut.04:32
GeneralAntillesBut let's not test it out.04:32
ZogG_worktoo late, the car is on its way04:32
* GeneralAntilles loads up the Mauser.04:34
ZogG_workthey do have floppies04:38
ZogG_worki used to use old floppies04:38
ZogG_workbig ones04:38
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ZogG_workDocScrutinizer: don't sleep man04:39
DocScrutinizeryou're 15s early04:40
ZogG_workdo you have charts of my highlights04:40
* DocScrutinizer adjusts ZogG_work's PC RTC with a taser04:41
ZogG_worki have a laser04:42
ZogG_worki bet DocScrutinizer doesn't have a family04:44
ZogG_workhe had a pretty woman but he changed her for computers04:44
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DocScrutinizerwait, I think there's 2 or 3 X-ray laser sats left over from last year. Let's see if I fire one for you, ZogG_work04:45
ZogG_worki'm waiting04:46
ZogG_worktake the misery out04:46
ZogG_workmy misery*04:46
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DocScrutinizera pity as every one of them has 16 lead rods to fire 16 beams at arbitrary targets, just the fission power source is a one shot thing. So I have to waste 15 beams into empty space for that one greeting to you04:47
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ZogG_worki would say you exact coordinates04:49
ZogG_workbut n900's gps sucks04:49
DocScrutinizernah, I'll save this one for a better time04:49
DocScrutinizeryou forgot my true nature. I'm skynet so I know exactly where you are04:49
Pillumhey guys04:50
DocScrutinizerwait... these last 50m have a certain uncertainty04:51
ZogG_workDocScrutinizer: i'm behind goverment proxy04:52
ZogG_workactually that one is true04:53
DocScrutinizeryeah, quite helpful to determine your exact position. Just those last 50m, something's fishy with them04:54
Pillumim stoned and wanna code something for n900..04:54
Pillumbut what?04:54
DocScrutinizerpsychedelic patterns :-D04:54
ZogG_workPillum: what are u good at?04:54
ZogG_workand are u that stoned?04:54
Pillumnot that anymore04:55
PillumI got excellent C++ skills04:55
Pillumbut no idea atm04:55
Pillumand also no n900 :(04:55
Pillumbecause of broken mini usb port04:55
Pillumthe 3rd time04:55
ZogG_workPillum: maybe at least one can make google calendar integration04:56
ZogG_workor i know04:56
Pillumis the calender widget open?04:56
ZogG_workPillum: go to waze and download source coed for android and adapt it to n90004:56
Pillumwhat is waze?!04:57
ZogG_workPillum: yes, the community widget04:57
DocScrutinizer(mode #maemo b04:57
ZogG_workthere is home widget calendar it is from someone from community i think04:57
ZogG_workDocScrutinizer: you are fail04:57
ZogG_workPillum: waze is nice nav program04:57
PillumZogG_work: I can only code Qt4-only apps, because I got no n900 atm :S04:59
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PillumI just a personal bus driver here :D04:59
DocAvalancheZogG_work: you're late04:59
Pillumhe didnt know the way so I told him the way home04:59
ZogG_workDocAvalanche: ?04:59
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ZogG_workPillum: you can port it to qt app for computer and than it would be easy to port to maemo05:00
ZogG_workit's almost unix program05:00
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PillumZogG_work: which one? calendar or waze?05:00
ZogG_workit is open source05:01
Pillumand how to test the gps function on my pc? :S05:01
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ZogG_workPillum: network onre05:01
ZogG_workit works with it as well05:01
Pillumnetwork onre?05:01
Pillumwhat is this?05:02
Pillumaaaaand still05:02
Pillumwhat is this?05:02
ZogG_workit's like geolocation in browsers with no gps05:02
ZogG_workn900 uses it too btw05:02
ZogG_workboth with gps05:03
PillumI dont find the source codes of this program05:04
ZogG_worklemme find and link to you05:04
Pillumare the UI all the same?05:07
Pillumor should I port a specific version05:07
DocScrutinizerhmm, now that I got that bare PCB, I should order a handful of spare speakers05:08
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ZogG_workPillum: let's say androids one is cool05:09
ZogG_workas well as you can see gtk in source05:10
ZogG_workand even qt is mentioned05:10
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ZogG_workkerio: hello05:10
ZogG_workfor coffee press 105:11
ZogG_workfor tea press 205:11
* ZogG_work handles coffee for Pillum 05:12
ZogG_workwanna milk cream?05:12
Pillumdoes WazeforAndroid support landscape mode?05:13
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Pillumbut I pressed 2 for tea :(05:13
Pillumoh noes05:13
PillumI broke it05:13
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Pillumwtf is that05:16
ZogG_workPillum: i think it does have it05:16
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ZogG_workPillum: just give us something =)05:17
PillumZogG_work: but wtf is that#05:17
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Pillumits for android05:17
Pillumand the ´wiki says05:17
Pillumits not using the ndk05:18
Pillumso why the hell is there C source code?05:18
PillumNative Development Kit05:18
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ZogG_worksure it's for android otherwise why would we need port?05:18
ZogG_workcause it's written in C for droid and symbian and windows05:18
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ZogG_workfor android it uses openglse btw05:18
Pillumbut you cannot code with C for android without using the NDK05:19
Pillumits impossible05:19
ZogG_worki dunno05:19
ZogG_worktake symbian code05:19
ZogG_workor win mobile code05:19
pupnikwhat prog05:20
* pupnik stabs 05:20
ZogG_worki can't tell you05:20
ZogG_workotherwise i'll spoil surprise Pillum want to make us all05:20
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ZogG_workPillum: there is iphone source05:21
ZogG_workthere is source of source =)05:21
ZogG_workPillum: btw you can use freemap-il from extras as this program is based on it05:21
ZogG_workit's like 2.0 of freemap-il and now it's international, covers major coutriesd in the world05:22
ZogG_workPillum: so is it doable?05:23
ZogG_worki thought i was timeouted05:24
Pillumjust need to crawl me through the source code05:25
Pillumatm I dont know what is what05:25
pupnikhah they rann the openpandora at 14mhz in low-power mode05:25
ZogG_workPillum: look most of libs there are native in linux05:25
ZogG_workagg, libpng05:25
pupnik'was too slow, got clock drift'05:26
Pillumbut what is this roadmap?05:26
Pillumit looks like roadmap is the app05:26
Pillumbut why waze then05:26
ZogG_workit's the program05:26
ZogG_workdon't ask me05:26
pupnik"Back at the beginning, low power mode used to drop the CPU to 14Mhz, a speed so low it couldn't keep up with the normal tasks, and the software clock suffered. With HF4, that was increased to 125Mhz and it no longer has any problems keeping up. That's why I asked which hotfix he was using. That won't be it anymore, though, mine sits in low power mode 18 hours a day and it hasn't lost any time."05:27
ZogG_workis it possible?05:28
ZogG_worki think my mouse has more05:28
Pillumseems like someone is already at porting05:29
Pillumdont want to reinvent the wheel05:30
Pillumwhen somebody already did05:30
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ZogG_workPillum: noone does05:32
Pillumwhats with damagedspline05:32
Pillumhe said he is doing05:32
ZogG_work06-13-10 , 04:41 PM05:33
ZogG_worki doubt his phase of finishing was half year ago and no realese still05:34
ZogG_workPillum: ?05:39
pupnikThat is obviously shopped you can tell by the pixels and i've seen alot of photoshops in my time.05:39
pupnik  state of the art production surface05:43
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Pillumwhat is shopped?05:44
ZogG_worki think pupnik's face shopped05:45
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dangergrrlhow do i tell if it's booting or not?05:49
ZogG_workpupnik: bend back, no intence to have butt sex with you. sorry, not gay05:49
dangergrrlrcS should be taking a long time actually05:49
ZogG_workdangergrrl: all you need to ask05:49
dangergrrlwell, i put:05:50
dangergrrl/sbin/parted /dev/mmcblk0 resize 2 20.0gb 31.1gb >/etc/done 2>&105:50
dangergrrlin there05:50
pupniktrash is trash05:51
ZogG_workit can take a loooot of time05:51
ZogG_workwhy do u do it?05:51
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dangergrrl i put all that in there05:52
dangergrrlso it is failsafe05:52
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pupnikdangergrrl: did you apply kernel io fixes before starting that05:52
dangergrrltrying to resize /home without erasing and having to resture05:52
dangergrrli need the kernel from extras-testing for parted to work?05:53
pupnikjust /proc settings05:53
dangergrrlno i didn't05:53
dangergrrli installed bash and ssh and coreutils and that's about all05:54
pupnikyou might want to go do something else, like a ski trip05:54
pupnikthen come back05:54
dangergrrli've flashed twice since i started this05:54
pupnikfly to vegas for the wknd05:54
dangergrrland i can't tell if it's booting or not, it flashed the boot screens and now flashing amber light05:54
pupnikwell i've done large file copy operations that have slowed to a crawl05:55
dangergrrlwhen it's up that parted command gives output that it can't do it because the filesystem is mounted instead of complaining about the args05:55
pupniki expect parted will trigger the same issues05:56
dangergrrlso i am hoping it parameter checked and those params are correct05:56
pupnikso enjoy your trip05:56
pupnikbe around monday05:56
dangergrrli just wish i knew how to tell if it was booting right now or not05:58
dangergrrlif i hold the power button and it's booting it will stop05:58
ZogG_worki say u screwed05:59
dangergrrli'll eat dinner and such and try the power button then06:00
pupnikdon't listen to ZogG_work06:00
ZogG_workPillum: so u decided not to?06:00
ZogG_workpupnik: u can shu down me06:00
ZogG_workshut down one oafter me06:00
ZogG_workbut there would be always more06:00
ZogG_workone instead06:00
ZogG_worku can't stop us06:01
PillumZogG_work: I think I'll do it06:01
Pillumeven though I wont need a navi on my n90006:01
Pillumsince I got sygic06:01
ZogG_workdid u look over code btw?06:03
ZogG_workdid i missunderstood or there is gtk there06:03
Pillumit seems like its using gtk only for opengl context creation06:04
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Pillumand that is roadmap06:07
ZogG_workand this is waze06:09
Pillumand I only see roadmap_* files06:09
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dangergrrlthe light turned green06:15
ZogG_workPillum: aroadmap is only for processing maps and gui is separete probably06:15
dangergrrlit must be booting, yes?06:15
ZogG_workfully charged is green06:16
Pillumbut you are sure, that this is waze?06:16
dangergrrlwhether it's booting or down...06:17
Pillumcause even the welcome.bmp says06:17
Pillumits freemap06:17
ZogG_workgo to android folder06:17
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PillumZogG_work: its around 5k lines of source code06:30
Pillumso it will need its time06:30
Pillum5k lines of source code to port06:30
ZogG_worki would look into it as well06:30
ZogG_workwanted to do it today06:30
Pillumthe rest are common shared things06:31
ZogG_workbut forgot AC adapter for laptop =(06:31
Pillumyou know c/c++?06:31
ZogG_worknot really06:31
Pillumhow would you want to port it hen?06:31
ZogG_workbut that's the  way u learn06:31
ZogG_worki understand here and there06:31
PillumI learned it with a few lines of command line games06:32
Pillumnot with a 50k source cdode line application06:32
Pillumanyway im going to bed06:33
ZogG_worki'm going to bed soon as well06:33
Pillumwrite me a pm tomorrow06:33
ZogG_worktalk to you other day06:33
Pillumor so06:33
Pillumthat I wont forget it :D06:33
ZogG_worki'm almost always around here06:34
ZogG_worknot always at computer actually but mostly online anyway06:34
Pillumim at night here06:34
Pillumonly at night06:34
ZogG_workZogG: <- me06:34
Pillumand not every day06:34
Pillumand when im here I usually work on some games06:34
PillumZogG_work: where are you from?06:34
ZogG_worki'm at nioghts only when i do not work next morning or i have night shift06:35
ZogG_workPillum: Israel06:35
pupnikwhat games Pillum06:35
ZogG_workpupnik: strip poker06:35
ZogG_worknaked ladies in ASCII is the msot sext thing06:35
ZogG_workPillum: u r usa?06:36
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Pillumim pakistan06:36
ZogG_workthan it's raxist from you06:36
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doc|homeyeah man, don't be raxist06:36
Pillumok, i wont be raxist06:36
ZogG_workDocScrutinizer: damn man, do u sleep?06:37
ZogG_workall you germans trying to conquer the chan06:37
DocScrutinizerwhat makes you think I ever sleep?06:37
ZogG_workpupnik: and you too06:37
ZogG_workDocScrutinizer: you don't06:37
ZogG_workactually i come here and almost everytime u online06:37
Pilluma stalker06:38
ZogG_workand i come in different times of day06:38
ZogG_workso there are 2 options06:38
ZogG_workor u never sleep06:38
ZogG_workor we are soulmates and made for each other06:38
Pillumdoc is mine :(06:38
ZogG_workhaha u wish06:38
Pillumand I wont share06:38
ZogG_workall you can make a dull rabbit style german porn06:39
ZogG_worki would say thank you for those tapes i stoled from parents when i was young06:39
ZogG_worki would even say i grew up on them06:39
ZogG_workbut still man06:39
Pillum1. im not german. only born, grew up and living here06:40
ZogG_workso how come u are not german06:40
Pillum2. why does the world think, german make kinky and filthy porn06:40
ZogG_worku live here and born there06:40
Pillumim turkish :P06:40
ZogG_workPillum: not kinky and fithy06:40
ZogG_workdidn';t say it06:40
Pillumbut the rest of the world says so06:41
ZogG_workporn just made a lot of porn back when there were tapes06:41
ZogG_workand they made it like dogs06:41
ZogG_worki mean technical sex06:41
ZogG_workwith no emotions06:41
ZogG_workonly screaming yayayaya06:41
ZogG_workif i want kinky i would go for asian06:42
doc|homehey, I had israeli porn that made exactly that noise06:42
doc|homethat's uncanny06:42
ZogG_workthey are f'ed up06:42
ZogG_workdoc|home: share the name06:42
doc|homeZogG_work: can't remember06:42
ZogG_worki saw only few israeli porns06:42
ZogG_workone i got that it's israeli by their tattos06:43
ZogG_workand davids star on his chest06:43
ZogG_worki'm falling asleep06:43
ZogG_workbut my shift ends in 15 mins06:43
ZogG_workso it's ok06:43
Pillumhad night shift?06:44
ZogG_workalmost all fridays06:44
ZogG_workor friday night or sat morning06:44
ZogG_workthat's my weekends =(06:44
ZogG_worktrying to find some IT work06:44
ZogG_workbut noon wants me06:44
Pillumsad story, bro06:45
ZogG_workgonna get dressed i think\06:45
Pillumnaked at work?06:45
ZogG_workPillum: f them, their lost =)06:45
ZogG_workPillum: nope, uniform06:46
ZogG_worksecurity guy06:46
Pillumwhat uniform?06:46
PillumIT guy does physical security06:46
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ZogG_workwhat can i do06:46
ZogG_worki'm not IT06:46
ZogG_workand has no education yet06:47
ZogG_worksoooo while studing it suits me06:47
ZogG_workbut i'm too tierd of this shit and last months i get less and less money06:47
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DocScrutinizerduh, now 5 coremelts pending06:57
DocScrutinizerand the new quake doesn't exactly help, though it's only been a 6.606:58
doc|home"only" :/06:58
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DocScrutinizerI really feel sorry for them07:00
DocScrutinizerpupnik: you ordered your speakers?07:00
DocScrutinizerpupnik: I got this PCB today, so I ordered 4 speakers, just in case... :-D07:02
DocScrutinizershipping was 5 weeks and a few, but hey, it ships for free07:03
pupnikDocScrutinizer: i couldn't decide between the speakers with the correct picture or the ones with the correct description07:05
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DocScrutinizerthey are pretty fast on answering questions07:09
DocScrutinizerlike 10 min07:09
DocScrutinizerprobably not in 6 hours though, when their office hours are over07:10
pupnikit's a bit of an insult to ask 'is the part you labled "n900 speaker" really a n900 speaker'?07:10
DocScrutinizernah, tell them you got confused about the picture and the description don't match for you07:11
DocScrutinizerchinese people are *very* polite, and they don't like to say no, but also don't like to 'lose their face'07:12
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DocScrutinizerlet me know what they answered07:13
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ds3why do you want a speaker for the N900?07:20
pupnikso i can hear it ring07:20
pupnikds3: the n900 speaker looks like this one
pupnikhere's their n900 speaker
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ds3is it suppose to be louder or?07:28
pupnikmy original speakers (or amplifier) has broken and usually i get no sounds07:29
ds3OHhhhh gotca07:29
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DocScrutinizer2pupnik: any answer? I might want to change my order ;-D07:43
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: i didn't see an email07:43
pupniki sppose i could register07:44
DocScrutinizerI registered and posted directly on the order, via "start conversation"07:45
DocScrutinizerthey just confirmed my payment, should hurry now07:45
pupniki'd like a mini keyboard for my 7" tablet07:46
pupnikthat would make it funnerer07:46
* pupnik wonders what DocScrutinizer will do with the pcb board07:48
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woodyjlwis this a good channel to talk about nokia n900?  need to flash it to factory mode with ubuntu and it is running maemo on it now07:57
ds3pupnik: A70?07:57
pupnikhi ds3 yes07:58
pupniki haven't seen ubuntu on n90007:58
ds3pupnik: have you gotten it running well enough to be useable with Angstrom?07:58
woodyjlwno im using ubuntu  to flash n90007:58
woodyjlwis meego released yet or is it still being developed ?07:59
pupnikwoodyjlw: there are releases every few weeks it seems08:00
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ds3pupnik: i have seen that before so I guess no other progress?08:01
pupnikever since i fixed the n900, coincidentally08:05
ZogGdamn graf_choloko is russian =)08:07
DocScrutinizerpupnik: typical chinese answer :-D >> "ok, We will ship N900 speaker to you, please no worries. Thanks." – Ownta Sales Team08:08
DocScrutinizer5 coremelts pending, one probably already in progress - caesium escaped from containment08:10
DocScrutinizeranybody knows where to get info about surface and 2500, 5000, 10000ft winds over Japan?08:12
pupnikjapanese reactors coremelting?!08:13
ds3DocScrutinizer: where are you getting the reports? BBC don't seem to have that much details08:13
DocScrutinizergerman TV is quite good at gathering info bits08:14
DocScrutinizerpupnik: yep, 5 for now, AIUI. 2 in Fukushima-1 and 3 in Fukushima-208:17
pupnikseems a little silly08:18
DocScrutinizersilly maybe isn't exactly the word I'd use08:18
pupnikjapanese reactors not water-proof apparently08:20
DocScrutinizerobviously in both power plants the generators broke and emergency cooling is running from batteries, which last for a few hours. They seem unable to bring mobile generators of sufficient power to the reactors, so core melt is somewhat guaranteed as soon as batteries are depleted, which seems they already did for one block of Fukushima-108:21
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pupnikthey should build reactors where fuel needs to be added08:23
pupnikand if it isn't added, reaction stops08:23
DocScrutinizerevacuation of 51,000 residents08:23
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: that's indeed the basic problem of fission reactors. The process needs to be stopped actively while it continues without any further support08:24
pupniknot all fission reactor designs apparently08:25
yigalif there isn't material for fission to occur then it won't08:25
yigalproduce a process that H_2 or what ever is in a controlled supply08:26
yigalproblem solved08:26
DocScrutinizerthat's the point. You need a subcritical but rather high mass of reaction material08:26
pupnik   fast breeders - killed by 'environmentalists'08:26
woodyjlwI would like to find a way to back up all my contacts from my n900 to my ubuntu laptop. is there a program in ubuntu that can help me with this?08:26
DocScrutinizerwoodyjlw: simplest way: export_as_vcards in N900 contacts app, then copy/move that file to buntkuh and import to your PIM there08:28
yigalpupnik: thanks for the '' in 'environmentalists'08:28
doc|homeDocScrutinizer: can't they remove the fuel?08:29
doc|homewhy not?08:29
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DocScrutinizerthe containment is at 2 times max allowed pressure, nobody can go inside and remove extremely hot and "hot" fuel rods08:30
yigalor mechanized arms08:30
doc|homerobots get fried?08:30
yigalat what temperature08:30
DocScrutinizerprior to replacing/removing fuel rods the reactor has to chill down some weeks08:30
yigalman poor Japan08:31
ds3wonder if they can fill it with bird shot08:34
DocScrutinizerfor now it seems they can't even get out the pressure, as the batteries don't even have the energy to operate the vent valves08:35
DocScrutinizerhard to fill it with anything08:35
yigalinteresting, google "japan nuclear" first hit is from Aljazeera08:35
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VenemoZogG: static functions have 2 possible meanings, one of which doesn't need declaring in the .h file08:41
VenemoZogG: 1) a static function is either a function which belongs to a class, but not particular instances of it -> you declare these in the class declaration08:42
VenemoZogG: 2) static functions which are not members of a class are used to make a function only accessible from a single source file08:42
doc|homeyigal: unsurprisingly aljazeera has better coverage of a lot of stuff :/08:44
doc|homecnn = ass08:44
doc|homein fact, I'm going to buy some shares so I can propose they change their name to that, as it's more appropriate, at a shareholders meeting08:45
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: isn't the portable-assembler nature of C amazing! only an assembler coder might consider using "static" instead "local" for that purpose09:00
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: well, glib-based stuff written in C are full of static methods usually09:01
DocScrutinizerI'm talking about the syntax and the mindset of those that invented it09:01
Venemohm, I wasn't aware that there is a "local" keyword in C09:02
DocScrutinizerprobably there isn't09:02
DocScrutinizerthat's the point09:03
VenemoDocScrutinizer: the number of different purposes the static keyword has in C/C++ is amazing09:06
DocScrutinizerand I guess all of them are a reminiscence to the way the method is implemented on assembler level inside the compiler/generated opcode. Well, C = portable macro assembler09:09
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DocScrutinizerstatic basically will mean "use heap, not stack"09:10
Venemoyeah, basically09:11
Venemoanyway, I have to leave now09:12
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Venemowill be back later :)09:12
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DocScrutinizerfinally info about wind: seaward, so fallout won't hit Japan ground directly09:32
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doc|homeDocScrutinizer: fully dispersed before it hits again? they were finding evidence of chernobyl in western europe before the russians ever admitted things went wrong09:38
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pupnikAFP says an explosion has been heard at the Fukushima-Daiichi plant10:05
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DocScrutinizeryeah, and Japan gvmt says it's not been at Fukushima-Daiichi10:14
DocScrutinizersure, somebody is using up his left over fireworks there10:15
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pupnikOuter structure of building that houses reactor at Fukushima plant appears to have blown off - NHK10:17
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pupnikthis is all twitter stuff10:18
doc|homedoes this mean we're all going to die?10:20
doc|homefucking finally, can get some peace and quiet10:20
DocScrutinizerfurther explosions10:23
doc|homecnn sucks balls10:23
DocScrutinizeryeah, I noticed that some 12h ago ;-)10:24
doc|homeclap clap cnn10:24
doc|homefinally they mention something about it10:24
doc|homethat's it? 20 secs? idiots!10:25
DocScrutinizerauthorities keep information back to avoid panic in Tokyo10:27
doc|homebecause speculation is so much more useful10:27
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doc|homethat was one thing about the movie, 2012. They knew for years, but the politicians told no one, kept it to themselves to prevent panic. In turn, preventing people from looking after themselves.10:28
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DocScrutinizerfirst one definitely exploded10:34
DocScrutinizer4 more to blow up10:35
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doc|homeoh, video on ctv10:38
doc|homefuck me that's a HGUE explosion10:38
robbiethe1stHm, let me know when it appears on Youtube10:39
doc|homefucking cnn... they have a title bar "COUNTDOWN TO MELTDOWN?"10:40
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doc|homeoh, that's different to the one I saw10:44
doc|homethe one I saw was way bigger than that10:44
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doc|homehmmm, it's possible that this is what I saw though that one doesn't show the initial explosion10:46
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DocScrutinizernah, is the real one - yummy huge clouds of uranium dust10:52
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doc|homejapan is now 3m more east than it used to be11:01
DocScrutinizerused to be a week ago, or some thusand years ago?11:02
derfUsed to be two days ago.11:03
derfAlso the earth's figure axis shifted 15 cm.11:03
derfThe length of a day has been reduced by 1.6 us.11:04
DocScrutinizerwell, that doesn't tell me much11:04
DocScrutinizermight be normal11:04
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derfThe Chilean earthquake in 2010 reduced it by 1.2 us.11:04
ccookeNot the whole of japan - the reading is from an observatory in Miyagi prefecture (and last I heard, they were claiming 4m)11:04
RST38bisso, do we finally get a proper nuclear disaster?11:07
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stondaprolly not, the aftermath is going to be the same as in 1986.11:08
SpeedEvilChernobyl was quite proper11:08
stondaenviromental groups attaining more interest in banning nuclear power11:09
derf'Malcolm Grimston, a nuclear energy expert from Imperial College London, has told the BBC that as long as any nuclear meltdown is small-scale, it can be contained: "For example, there was one in the Chapel Cross plant in south-west Scotland in the 1960s, and at the end of that it only affected two of what they call the fuel channels, the long tubes where the fuel is put. They simply sealed those off, there was no release of radioactivity offsite and the plant co11:09
derfI love the British.11:09
RST38bisit is not the British, it is Americans being extra squeamish about the whole nucular thing11:10
SpeedEvilDepressing that this happens.11:10
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SpeedEvilJust at the point that nuclear was looking a bit more likely in the UK.11:11
DrGrovDid the power plants nuclear reactor melt yet?11:11
RST38bismeltdown being kinda pop icon, after Simpsons et l11:11
DrGrovWell, did we get a nuclear disaster like Chernobyl?11:12
psycho_oreostoo early to tell at this stage11:12
DrGrovTime to wait just then11:12
RST38bisapparently there was an explosion, one wall is gone11:12
DrGrovEventually will get more news11:12
RST38bistoo early to tell11:13
DrGrovWill check in later at cnn.com11:13
DrGrovThanks for the info11:13
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RST38biscannot watch it myself, gprs here11:15
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doc|homeit's just someone with a video camera recording tv footage of the previous video, with some french explosion sounds11:16
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derfWhat makes an explosion sound French?11:18
maybeWTFle boom11:18
doc|homederf: if you watch the video you'll see, and understand11:19
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doc|homeit's like an english person making an explosion noise, only slightly less ... manly...11:19
doc|homesorry, english speaking11:20
RST38bisResidents of Fukushima are told to stay inside, seal windows, etc11:20
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derfAnd avoid vegetables.11:21
derfI love the Japanese, too.11:21
RST38biscertain vegetables11:21
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derf"NHK TV carrying advice to people to protect themselves against radiation. Experts say people should cover their mouths and noses with wet towels. Exposed skin should also be covered and people should wash after coming indoors. People should also avoid vegetables and other fresh food, as well as tap water, until authorities give the all-clear."11:21
RST38bisa reasonable advice11:22
RST38bistheir police should be distributing iodine pills just about now, too11:23
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doc|homeman, if I'm living in the vicinity of a nuclear plant I'd have my own stock of iodine pills11:23
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RST38bisbetter have a car and drive off at the first signs of trouble11:25
doc|homethat too11:25
n900evilAvoid vegetables is such a stock answer.11:26
n900evilThey mean outdoor veg that may be contaminated11:26
RST38bisDrink more red wine!11:26
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derfOr, lacking that, vodka.11:28
derfIt won't help the radiation, but it'll get you drunk.11:28
RST38bisnah, red wine apparently does have some effect11:29
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* RST38bis has seen this all happen up close in 198611:30
derfYes, red wine does. I doubt vodka does.11:30
RST38bisAlthough the Japanese definitely make their nuclear disaster look more hilarious than the Soviets11:32
psycho_oreosin Soviet Russia, communism owns you11:33
RST38bis(Reuters) - An explosion blew the roof off an unstable reactor north of Tokyo on Saturday, Japanese media said,11:33
DocScrutinizerwell, we've all seen that if we watched the first video,
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DocScrutinizeryou can see the enormous blowout vertically in the air at 0:48, to me it seems right from the center of the building. Then all sorts of crap and rocks flying several hundered meters away and the core and building dissolving in a nice radioactive brown cloud11:38
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doc|home"Japan Orders Evacuation Near 2nd Nuclear Plant - Senior engineers at the Daiichi and Daini and operated by Tokyo Electric Power have stated that if they are not provided coolant within 48 hours, Tokyo could become the next Chernobyl with Tokyo becoming uninhabitable for 150 years."11:39
RST38bishave they got graphite or something similarly dusty there?11:39
DocScrutinizerI said four are still pending11:39
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DocScrutinizerlol, 150??11:40
RST38bisalso, what are the winds in that area?11:40
doc|homei doubt that though, as the plant's 150miles away from tokyo, and supposedly winds were blowing out to sea11:41
DocScrutinizeris that how long it takes to dump everything there in a large hole? 10cm of soil11:41
DocScrutinizerRST38bis: seaward atm11:41
doc|homeit is the NY Times, apply salt11:41
RST38bisNeotokyo! Slums! Radiation signs! Gas masks! Furries! =)11:41
doc|homeRST38bis: I've seen stranger videos than all of those...11:42
RST38bisDoc: towards the US?11:42
doc|homeRST38bis: (japanese ones at that)11:42
doc|homeRST38bis: dunno11:42
doc|homeit's the japanese getting revenge (too soon for jokes?)11:42
derfRST38bis: Winds are blowing out to sea.11:43
derfThe radiation will reach Washington State in about 7 days.11:43
DocScrutinizerdoc|home: definitely too early. 4 blocks pending to blast off11:43
derfOr at least that was the wind as of this morning.11:43
derfI don't know how stable it is there this time of year.11:43
doc|homeDocScrutinizer: man, 60 years isn't enough?11:43
doc|homebeing serious though, obviously I hope it gets no worse11:44
DocScrutinizerit will11:44
doc|homederf: might it have dispersed?11:44
RST38bisderf: johnx has left JP but it is following him!11:44
doc|homehmmm, I really shouldn't make jokes. I'm just north of where it'll hit if it does11:45
derfdoc|home: I doubt anything released so far will matter by th time it gets there.11:46
RST38bisdepends on what has been released...11:47
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doc|homefuck, one way I do not want to die is a horrible cancer :/11:48
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psycho_oreoscancer from radiation released from atomic/nuclear powerplant isn't the only way to obtain one in the first place11:50
doc|homewell crappity11:50
doc|homepsycho_oreos: of course not, but it won't help11:50
psycho_oreosdoc|home, it won't help what? panic attacks? if one was seriously that concerned, maybe they should move elsewhere. Natural disasters are inevitable and people are there to save their lives11:51
derfYou've got about a 1/3 chance of dying from cancer, nuclear disaster or not.11:51
doc|homepsycho_oreos: way to miss the point11:52
derfIf it bothers you, go hit the road for a while next week. Any luck and you'll get killed in a traffic accident.11:52
pupnikthat depends on who you are11:52
doc|homedid someone switch on dick mode?11:52
psycho_oreosdoc|home, I don't think I'm missing the point, I think you're just concerned the radioactive waves from atomic/nuclear powerplants from Japan is a sign of revenge and is out there to kill you11:53
RST38bishas never been off11:53
pupnikisn't that smoke going inland11:53
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doc|homepsycho_oreos: again, that was a joke11:53
RST38bissorry doc :)11:53
psycho_oreosdoc|home, a joke that has been dragged on for several minutes.. wow11:54
doc|homepsycho_oreos: yeah, it died ages ago, I've no idea why you just brought it back up11:54
RST38bisa'ok time to go spend some quality time with family11:55
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psycho_oreosdoc|home, like 5 minutes ago or so was ages11:55
doc|homeI was serious about it potentially coming across the pacific though, the only reason the rest of the world knew about chernobyl was because of the increased radiation levels in western europe11:55
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DocScrutinizerplay nice, kids. World is an awful place without you bitching11:57
DocScrutinizerGerman expert estimates final evacuation radius like 100km11:59
DocScrutinizerof course depending on winds11:59
DocScrutinizerand no way that might NOT have been a core meltdown12:00
* pupnik watching the pressure wave climb past the top of the tower at the speed of sound12:03
doc|hometop pic before explosion, bottom pic after12:03
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: yeah, it could be nice if it wasn't that dirty12:05
pupnikanybody know japanese?  how did it happen?  secondary cooling loop?  primary?12:06
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merlin1991whom can I poke about extras-devel upload rights?12:08
DocScrutinizerpupnik: ??12:09
DocScrutinizerpupnik: the chill down emergency cooling failed when the batteries went flat. All other power sources got shaken or rinsed away12:10
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: X-Fade12:11
* merlin1991 pokes X-Fade12:12
DocScrutinizerpupnik: when the core evaporated all the cooling water and heated up the whole containment to several hundred degrees, the pressure got too high and the whole egg went pop12:13
DocScrutinizerpupnik: place an egg into your microwave and see what happens, quite similar effect :-D12:14
DocScrutinizerNO don't do that! it's actually dangerous12:14
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pupnikFukushima starts with f u k12:28
pupnikDocScrutinizer: do you know what a primary and secondary loop is?12:28
pupniki worked on a nice animation for that in 199312:29
pupnikno 412:29
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pupnik  Sky news with some commentary to the explosion and a picture of which building blew -- that's not a core building apparently13:20
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RST38hpupnik: It is a core building.13:38
RST38hAlso see news summary here:
pupnik ohh13:40
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pupnikmerlin1991: what kind of stats13:43
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merlin1991dl stats13:43
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RST38hIt is the secondary containment hull, the one where they pumped all the radioactive gas from the primary hull13:43
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wazd_RST38h: hola :)13:48
RST38hheya wazd13:48
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* RST38h wonders why all the "serious" news agencies like CNN, BBC, etc are reusing NHK footage13:51
kerioRST38h: would you *go* there to record stuff?13:52
RST38hkerio: Depends on the pay13:52
RST38hkerio: But yes, possibly.13:52
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wazd_RST38h: why have you ignored meego conference? :)13:53
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RST38hwazd: none of the nokia people I know were coming13:54
RST38hwazd: and had work to do =(13:54
wazd_RST38h: ah13:55
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JaffaMorning, all15:03
Jaffaer, af'noon here admittedly.15:03
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merlin1991hey Jaffa15:09
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wazd_Jaffa: heya :)15:16
wazd_Jaffa: I was playing around a bit with CSSU icon15:16
merlin1991wazd_: that looks awesome15:17
korhojoawazd_: yeah, that does look awesome15:17
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wazd_cool :)15:20
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Maceri wonder if nokia was praying that htc got hit by a tsunami15:22
wazd_Macer: HTC is taiwan :)15:24
SpeedEvilNeed a bigger tsunami.15:24
SpeedEvilGotta get redmond too.15:24
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Macerredmond i would give you15:31
Macerbut htc isn't bad15:31
dangergrrlthey don't make cool linux phones15:33
dangergrrlbut apparently nokia does not intend to anymore either15:33
dangergrrltoday i plan on breaking my pc while futzing with my n90015:34
alteregodangergrrl: that's not entirely true, they'll continue building a meego phone a year from what I can see.15:35
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dangergrrlwe shall see15:37
dangergrrlso is there anything more fun than breaking the n900?15:38
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psycho_oreosbreaking in what way?15:43
MohammadAGphysically obviously15:44
alteregoI find most fun in writing software to make it better.15:44
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alteregoBuilding software is very rewarding I find. There's nothing quite like it.15:44
psycho_oreossomeone must be awfully rich to must break their n90015:45
alteregoSense of achievement when your plan comes together and it all starts working.15:45
psycho_oreosI mean to physically break it15:45
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Arkenoichina is our only hope15:50
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slonopotamusanyone knows a fix for ?15:51
Arkenoiif anyone is brave enough to invest about $1M in making a truly open phone based on something like maemo/meego, we are all saved15:51
Arkenoiopenmoko does not qualify, sorry15:51
Arkenoiboth from hardware and software viewpoint15:51
SpeedEvil$1M will _not_ cover the software dev15:52
SpeedEvilIt's pretty optimistic for hw.15:52
SpeedEvilAnd fairly small.15:52
kerio$1M won't cover the fcc certification, will it15:52
Arkenoikerio, screw it, maIl orders are ok15:52
Arkenoias fake iphone manufacturers deal with it15:53
slonopotamusafaik, openpandora had much less amount of money and still ships devices15:53
alteregoHardware is what is important, as long as it's capable of running MeeGo software isn't much of an issue.15:53
ArkenoiSpeedEvil, you overestimate. have a look at any chinese android model. Do you think every one has over $1M invested in it?15:53
SpeedEvilArkenoi: To make a new phone if you don't have an existing design team, and parts availability, yes.15:54
Arkenoialterego, we still need somebody to do the port, i'd rather not expect it to be completely community driven15:54
ArkenoiSpeedEvil, there are parts for any taste, just they all do androids atm.15:54
alteregoArkenoi: well, if it was a community driven device, like a pandaphone, then MeeGo would already work as is15:55
alteregoAnd very well.15:55
SpeedEvilArkenoi: By parts, I mean obtaining cellphone parts.15:55
Arkenoi$200 for 800x480 capacitive and 460MHz ARM with dual gsm radio and wifi is impressive15:55
SpeedEvilAll 3G vendors are basically completely uninterested in small orders (under 50K)15:55
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SpeedEvilThis is a problem for small runs.15:55
alteregoIt's unfortunate really :)15:56
SpeedEvilIf you can get with a chinese vendor that's making 3G smartphones, and convince them to make you a custom model, which may involve no hardware mods - the cost may fall.15:56
* alterego wonders if mobile electronics will ever become more affordable.15:57
ArkenoiSpeedEvil, 2K units is fairly enough to be interesting for china manufacturers, as i was said.15:57
ArkenoiSpeedEvil, sure, that is the way to do.15:57
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alteregoSo, find a handset that has our specs, and get them to make a load with the ability to run and flash meego15:57
Arkenoieven more, you may take existing android design and just request improvements you need.15:58
alteregoSo we'd need a flashing solution like nolo15:58
alteregoSo someone would have to write a good bootloader/flashing solution15:59
SpeedEvilThe other issue is that a substantial portion of the reason I bought the n900 is the n.15:59
alteregouboot may help15:59
Arkenoinow i am trying to find a guy with million bucks to spare :-)15:59
alteregoOr give us open access to jtag15:59
SpeedEvilThat is - I can walk into a nokia store, and start yelling.15:59
SpeedEvilAnd they will have an actual warranty.15:59
alteregoYeah, any decent device will cost about what you'd spend on a handset anyway, but without any kind of assurances.16:00
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ArkenoiSpeedEvil, does not work in third world countries, like Russia. At all, i mean.16:00
SpeedEvilArkenoi: Sure. 'I'.16:00
SpeedEvilI don't much care about people living in russia.16:00
SpeedEvil(from a POV of their warranty issues)16:00
alteregootoh, there's some cool efforts on getting MeeGo on android phones.16:00
alteregoSo buy an Android phone and stick MeeGo on it :)16:01
Arkenoialterego, url? :-)16:01
alteregoAndroid devices aren't gonna die anytime soon, we get good hardware specs at the most competitively priced we can get.16:01
alteregoOr, maybe we could show a manufacturer like Samsung, or HTC that there is huge interest in a hacker phone that will run MeeGo, even if it's stock built with Android16:03
SpeedEvilUnfortunately, third-line makers don't really get the whole open-source thing.16:03
SpeedEvilGPL-violations ar emore common than not16:03
alteregoSo we say, can you make one of your handsets a little more friendly to us hacking MeeGo on it.16:03
alteregoIt'd be hard to ignore if there was enough interest16:04
alteregoAnd you're not asking for too much either, so it may have a good chance.16:04
ArkenoiSpeedEvil, yep, chinese guys require some extreme communication skill to force them to make something open for you16:05
dangergrrli'm trying solution #616:05
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ArkenoiSpeedEvil, they are even worse than big corporations in that sometimes16:05
alteregoWe should look at the different Android devices and see whos' devices meet our requirements best16:06
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SpeedEvilYou really also probably need a native speaker.16:06
alteregoI'd vote TI based OMAP core, as TI are friendly to MeeGo and we have a lot of good work going on there already.16:06
ArkenoiThe only good thing is that they are greedy. Show them live money and tell someone else will get if if they are not going to be cooperative and they probably will. Or someone else will :-)16:06
dangergrrldmesg gives me:
ArkenoiSpeedEvil, sure.16:07
alteregoKeeping the hardware as "generic" as possible is a good idea.16:07
dangergrrlam i missing some driver i need?16:07
dangergrrl(on the pc end)16:07
alteregoProbably, what are you doing?16:12
Arkenoi(and i still need to accomplish by quest A: "get encryption usable on maemo/meego, given i do not have budget to hire a software development company, but just barely enough to pay individuals who are willing to"16:12
Arkenoiturned out to be *much* more complicated than i expected, despite the fact it is not the first project like that i managed and previous ones were successfull16:13
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dangergrrli'm trying to do that16:20
dangergrrlwhen i enable usb mass storage mode lsusb on my pc hangs16:21
ArkenoiNokia made Maemo to be extremely hard to live with without Nokia, I hope Meego handset will be usable without proprietary components.16:21
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GAN900Cult of Apple is scary17:25
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GAN900"OK, run through the middle of all the store employees and we'll clap, cheer and give you high-fives for buying a piece of plastic, metal and silicon."17:27
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dangergrrlyou can't even change the battery17:29
kerioapple nowadays makes a great laptop, a great all-in-one computer, a cute-but-better-alternatives-exist htpc, and a shitton of crap17:29
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keriooh wait, there's also the mac pro17:29
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dangergrrl wget
dangergrrlappears to be the latest rescue initrd17:30
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dangergrrlbattery ran down trying to get the older one to work, waiting to have some charge17:31
GAN900kerio, which'd be excellent if the GPUs weren't always a generation old.17:31
GAN900Be nice if somebody made laptops like Apple.17:31
cehtehsony :P17:32
keriocehteh: there's not even a comparison there17:32
keriovaios are absolute crap17:32
dangergrrlit would be nice if i could afford a panasonic toughbook17:32
cehtehhehe iirc sony is the only other manufacturer which uses some unibody like producing process17:33
cehtehbut well i have a hp with a moulded metall casing, and its extremely rigid too .. so i dont want sony or apple crap17:33
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cehtehcompaq 2510p .. rated as "build like a tank" :)17:34
* GAN900 is with kerio17:34
GAN900Sony is just junky like the rest.17:34
cehtehyes .. like apple :P17:35
dangergrrltoughbooks are not junky, just expensive17:35
GAN900Bigger issue is the terrible TN displays everybody else ships.17:35
dangergrrlbut indestructable17:35
GAN900and ugly as sin.17:35
cehtehi dont care about uglyness .. endurance and robustness are the things i need17:36
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GAN900Some of the field research Toughbooks the USGS guys here use are obscenely messed up. Still work fine, though.17:36
cehtehapple has some nice features .. like the backlight keyboard which doesnt accumulate breadcrumbs ..17:36
keriocehteh: well my mbp fell from 1.2m on its angle and all that happened was that there's now a dent on the chassis17:37
cehtehbut otherwise its 90% bling bling17:37
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cehtehfor a laptop TN is good enough imo .. i rarely watch from wide angles on a laptop17:37
javispedroit's like that slashdot article about the cracking competition -- "mbp fell first" -> "must have been because the crackers wanted to get it as prize!"17:37
cehtehkerio: my hp fell that way and there is no dent17:37
GAN900cehteh, not when the top and bottom of the screen are different colors.17:37
cehtehGAN900: yes there are differences in TN too .. some are really ugly17:38
cehtehfor somethink like and tablet (which you rotate) or a big screen IPS is definately a big plus17:38
GAN900That MeeGoConf Lenovo is so bad you can't use it as a tablet.17:38
cehtehbut in case of my 12" latop you hardly see any color differences17:39
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GAN900That new Lenovo 12.5" with the IPS looks interesting.17:39
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cehtehanything you rotate or watch from different angles is certainly much better when its an IPS ... but for a normal ultraportable laptop, there is no need17:40
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cehteh  i would admit my laptop is ugly .. but its now few years old and the keyboard shows wear signs, otherwise its in absolutely good condition no scratches and bends .. and i am a rough laptop user, my former one with a plastic body broke in the middle after 1,5 years17:42
cehteh(often carry it on bike)17:43
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GAN900cehteh, tell that to the TN on my Mini 9.17:43
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cehtehthats a cheap netbook or?17:47
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cehteh.. well and cheap netbooks are cheap netbooks, you shouldnt compare that with business notebooks17:48
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an0therb0xanybody know how i can manually change the ring tone on my N900 , i have reflashed multiple times and its suck on the default nokia tone, i have changed it in the profiles and even used mp3 files17:52
kerioyou reflashed multiple times for a ringtone? :<17:52
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BCMMan0therb0x: so you change the ringing tone under settings->profiles, but nothing changes?17:54
user____I got a music streaming side is there a way to write plugins for the media player that I can search and strean music from it? (I wrote a python library for starters)17:54
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an0therb0xBCMM : that is correct, i can not stand the default nokia tone17:56
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dangergrrlone of the reasons i got a n900 it it seemed like it would be more protectable like camping out on the beach and such17:57
an0therb0xBCMM: right now the tone selected shows "Temporal"17:57
dangergrrlonly need a small plastic bag to cover it from wet17:57
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BCMMan0therb0x: do you have any of those profile-management applications installed?18:00
BCMMthe ones that let you have more than two profiles and so on?18:00
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an0therb0xBCMM: i am back to "factory" install now18:02
dangergrrlthe meego 1.0 nor 1.1 rootfs recovery images give me a working usb device18:02
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dangergrrlthe 1.1 version won't load the modules18:06
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lolcatuser____: I ghosted user18:09
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mynameisthomasI got a music streaming side is there a way to write plugins for the media player that I can search and strean music from it? (I wrote a python library for starters)18:10
mynameisthomask lolcat18:10
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mynameisthomascould have thought so need to change my irssi config18:10
lolcatI did it so you could use user18:11
mynameisthomaslolcat: thank you but I think I will now leave this name I dislike being called user18:12
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mynameisthomasgot a hilight on thomas too18:12
* dm8tbr too, JFTR18:12
mynameisthomasso lolcat any ideas how to easily include some streaming sides with search in the n900?I tried to find some useful things but google wasn't helping at all18:14
lolcatNo idea, wich ones?18:14
dangergrrlgonna try the latest 1.1.9018:15
mecedangergrrl, check qa first and see what works18:18
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javispedrochrome for linux ad18:56
javispedroin a sense, this is probably the first ad I ever see for Linux software.18:56
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javispedroheh, gtk bindings for qt/c++ =)19:21
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Macerjavispedro: so... the beginning of the end?19:23
Macergtk needs to be abolished19:24
Macermaybe we should send in the old school catholic church and have them burn all memories of gtk19:24
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MohammadAGis there something like nohup that doesn't redirect output?19:28
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MohammadAGbasically, I want wget to stay alive even if my ssh session dies19:28
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Jef91Anyone know the about:config value offhand to enable flash in fennec on the N900?19:29
javispedroMohammadAG: you might want to look into GNU screen... be warned it is the swiss army knife of this kind of stuff.19:30
Lava_CroftMohammadAG: launch wget from inside a screen session on the remote server19:31
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Lava_Croftyou can even do multiplayer wget19:32
Lava_Croftits such a blast19:32
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MohammadAGhmm, so screen keeps running even if the ssh session dies?19:33
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javispedroscreen could be best explained as some kind of xvnc for your terminal...19:34
Lava_CroftMohammadAG: yes19:34
BCMMMohammadAG: yeah, you can have 0 to lots of "connections" to th session19:34
BCMMand it keeps running19:34
MohammadAGI assume I don't need to specify the session when I want to reconnect to it right?19:35
MohammadAGjust run screen as the same user19:35
Lava_Croftand you can do screen -x sessionname to attach again19:35
Lava_Crofteasier is to launch with screen -S sessionname19:35
Lava_Croftso it dont autogenerate annoying names19:35
Lava_Croftif you have just one session running, screen -x will do19:36
dangergrrli got it19:36
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dangergrrlthe doc says you have to --enable-rd-mode, this is false, you must --disable-rd-mode when you use flasher to boot the meego 1.0 rootfs image, then hit u and you can use gparted on a pc to repartition19:37
BCMMMohammadAG: if you only have one session running, you don't need to specify19:37
BCMMMohammadAG: screen -x is great; if you have only a single session running, it will connect to it without asking any questions19:38
BCMMand without disconnecting any existing clients19:38
Lava_Croftit does keep the termsize of the first one to login to it tho19:38
BCMMso it's possible to view the same shell on, for example, your n900 and your desktop over ssh19:38
Lava_Crofti use screen and irssi19:39
Lava_Croftso i can login to the same irssi session from anywhere19:39
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MohammadAGcool, thanks19:39
BCMMMohammadAG: a note about terminology: screen also supports multiple "windows", in a single session19:39
Lava_Crofteven split windows!19:39
BCMMwith the key combo "C-a a" working a bit like alt-tab19:40
BCMMeach window can run a different shell or command19:40
BCMMnew users sometimes get confused between windows and sessions19:40
Lava_Croftjust watch out that you dont go about starting screen sessions in screen sessions19:40
kerioyo dawg19:40
Lava_Croftalthough you probably will start nesting them horrible at one point19:40
Lava_Croftwe all do19:41
kerioanyway, tmux > screen19:41
BCMMit lets you?19:41
kerioit's just less common19:41
Lava_CroftBCMM: sure19:41
kerioBCMM: sure, why not19:41
keriolike VNC19:41
BCMMon gentoo, the default config won't let you attach from inside a screen19:41
BCMMi've done it while nesting SSH sessions though19:42
BCMMremembering how many times to press "a" when trying to pass a command down the stack is amusing19:42
* MohammadAG can nest screen sessions on Ubuntu19:42
BCMMMohammadAG: if you mean running "screen" in a screen session, that's just a shortcut to making a new window19:43
BCMM(at least on my version)19:43
BCMMctrl-a space to switch to the old one19:43
BCMM(when i said ctrl-a a was the combo, that was a typo. that's the combo to send an actual ctrl-a to the window)19:44
MohammadAGhmm, so how does one nest them?19:44
BCMMif i do screen -x (to make it clear that i don't want a new window) inside a session, i get "Attaching from inside of screen?", and nothing happens19:44
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BCMMoh, it's not a config thing. it's just screen -x inside screen that it doesn't like19:47
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BCMMMohammadAG: one way is to start another session from an ordinary terminal, detach (C-a d), then screen -r from the sessions you want to nest in19:47
BCMMbut if i were you, i wouldn't...19:48
dangergrrlwell, that was painful19:48
BCMMit gets kinda funky19:48
dangergrrlbut i can verify option #6 works but only if you change --enable-rd-mode to --disable-rd-mode19:49
BCMManyway, i've always just run one session at a time, possibly with several windows19:50
dangergrrli'm wondering if i shouldn't have made swap larger while i was at it though19:50
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BCMMthere is a set of parameters you can pass which will connect to the running session or start a new session if there isn't one; it can be quite useful to have a button that starts xterm with that command as the shell19:51
MohammadAGR&D mode doesn't affect partitioning19:51
MohammadAGI've been in R&D mode since April19:51
dangergrrlit affects whether the disks show up from that kernel19:52
MohammadAGMeeGo initrd?19:52
dangergrrlwith rd mode lspci was locking19:52
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MohammadAGit can't export the eMMC unless you pull the battery for some reason19:52
MohammadAGotherwise it doesn't create dev nodes19:52
MohammadAGI guess you going into flashing mode "simulated" the battery removal, so you blamed it on R&D mode :p19:53
vi__n900 rulz19:53
dangergrrli removed the battery like 10 times19:53
vi__when are pr1.4 is coming out?19:53
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dangergrrli was giving up and followed the comment at the end to be sure and disable rd mode19:54
dangergrrlhit u once more for grins and it worked19:54
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vi__who here knows about dbus-scripts?19:54
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vi__dbus-script settings matches wlan disconnect to wlan IDLE.  Unfortunatley wlan IDLE occours all the time in Power saving mode19:56
vi__what message do i use to run a script on disconnect?19:56
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MohammadAG<vi__> when are pr1.4 is coming out? <-- seriously, you're still expecting one?20:11
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javispedroI could see one.20:16
javispedrohowever with Qt only changes.20:16
javispedro(and nothing, absolutely nothing more)20:17
pupnikhmm what is a watercooled gtx 285 worth?20:18
MohammadAGwhy the fuck would an operator change its name20:18
MohammadAGIt changed on my N900 and N8 so far...20:18
javispedrooperators are evil bastards, you know.20:19
MohammadAGmy operator can still get 17% tax if my bill's 020:19
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timeless_xchatjavispedro: actually, i half expected one of those20:22
timeless_xchatbut only if the version of Qt in hypothetical device is not at the same middle version as pr1.320:22
timeless_xchate.g. 4.8 v 4.720:22
MacerMohammadAG: hahahaha20:25
MacerMohammadAG: isn't that $0?20:25
dangergrrli should have asked this20:27
dangergrrlhow much space do i need in /home to actually compile things on the n900 itself?20:28
dangergrrland do i need to expand the swap area too?20:28
Maceri wonder if they sent him a bill with a due date of $0.0020:28
RST38hMoo, all20:32
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RST38hjavispedro: heya20:32
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MohammadAGMacer, not with my operator20:33
MohammadAG17% of 0 can make up quite a large number20:33
MohammadAGcd po && $(MAKE) DESTDIR=debian/status-area-orientationlock-applet install <-- doesn't this look right?20:33
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javispedromoo RST38h20:35
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timeless_xchatdangergrrl: do you have a power adapter handy?20:36
timeless_xchatif not, you'll need it20:36
timeless_xchatat which point, just use something else20:36
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dangergrrli don't have an actual power adapter that the n900 likes20:38
dangergrrlonly the usb cable20:38
dangergrrli will be getting one that works though, i'll be doing some long rides and need to charge from my motorcycle, bought one, it just provides 12v across the usb power lines, n900 doesn't like it20:39
DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: actually swap is way too large with 768MB. Making it even larger doesn't help20:39
dangergrrlyou obviously can't compile a lot of things native then20:40
lcukdangergrrl, eek, a USB lead that sends 12v down it?20:41
lcukthat does not sound healthy20:41
DocScrutinizerthat for sure IS not healthy20:41
BCMMi cannot find a non-horrible car charger20:43
dangergrrlmy moto phone doesn't like it either20:43
BCMMi'm on the verge of actually buying a Nokia one20:43
dangergrrlbut the moto phone won't charge from anything that won't send it some specific usb greeting20:43
BCMMthere needs to be a fancy sticker or logo for stuff that's compatible with the standard charging interface20:43
DocScrutinizer"I don't like that" said the dude when shot into the head20:43
BCMMif there is already, people need to bloody well use it20:43
dangergrrli'm gonna have to try the charger my sister got at radio shack for $5 for her android phone20:44
DocScrutinizerBCMM: that's the USB2 sticker20:44
dangergrrlthe moto charger won't charge the n900 either i think it only sends power to devices it likes20:45
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DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: you're aware you're risking a 500$ device by trying to save some bucks on a proper charger?20:45
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BCMMDocScrutinizer: i don't mean ordinary USB2 power, i mean the battery charging spec20:46
DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: and no, (USB) chargers never decide whether or not to send power. There's simply 2 or 3 different signalling methods to tell the device about the charger's capabilities20:47
DocScrutinizerBCMM: the charging spec is a supplement of USB2.020:47
BCMMis it now required for something to be called "USB2.0"?20:48
BCMMand what about stuff that dates from before that spec, etc.20:48
DocScrutinizeractually USB2-OTG I guess20:48
BCMMpresumably, the only safe ways to do a completely "dumb" charger are to do no negotiation, causing devices to assume they can't draw more than the minimum current the USB spec allows, or short d+ and d- like the newish standard says?20:49
DocScrutinizerBCMM: I'm not Jesus, don't ask me about the fate of all the billion USB devices built to date20:49
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: well, that's kinda exactly what most devices do, and the #1 method as of USB charging supplement specs20:50
BCMMsee, that's why chargers need a pretty sticker that means "D+ shorted to D- inside", and the maximum power they'll provide in practise next to it20:50
DocScrutinizerno need for the second half. Just make sure the charger can supply *enough* power20:51
BCMMLava_Croft: presumably, that's to make it legal to install OS X? :)20:51
DocScrutinizerwhere "enough" for sure is met with 2A chargers20:51
BCMMuh, what i meant was that it's not always easy to identify the 2A chargers20:52
DocScrutinizerwhy would you want to "identify" them?20:52
lolcatTO know wich one to use20:52
BCMMso i can buy a charger that will cause the remaining battery life to increase instead of decrease slightly slower.20:53
Jaffawazd_: Nice20:53
DocScrutinizererrr, mhm20:53
BCMMbtw, anyone know how iWhatever USB charging works? when using an actual USB cable, does it follow that spec?20:53
BCMMcan i just buy an "iphone car charger"20:54
DocScrutinizerBCMM: actually all my chargers have some writing on them saying " nnnn mA max."20:54
BCMM(i've seen ones that have a USB port instead of an apple connector)20:54
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BCMMDocScrutinizer: was it visible when they were in the box?20:54
DocScrutinizeron the box it's written in way larger letters20:54
BCMMwell, you've met less stupid manufacturers than me i guess :)20:55
JaffaBCMM: I believe the N900 is more strict than the normal "USB car chargers" implement20:55
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DocScrutinizerI'd never consider to buy a charger that's so crappy it not even mentions the voltage, accuracy +-%, and current20:55
BCMMDocScrutinizer: my point exactly...20:55
DocScrutinizerthat's what I told dangergrrl20:56
BCMMmaybe i'll just look at the official nokia car chargers20:56
DocScrutinizerdon't save a few bucks on charger! 12V will most likely kill your 500$ device20:56
BCMManyone know what the cig plugs on those are like?20:56
ZogGwazd_, ping20:56
BCMMi.e. do they fall out of the socket in teh even of the car actually moving?20:56
Maceri have never had an issue with any charger for then90020:57
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Macerexcept one that didn't seem to have enough juice to charge it20:58
dangergrrlusb chargers are commodity items, i expected it to just work21:01
* timeless_xchat chuckles21:01
DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: USB never been meant to get abused as charger plug21:02
MohammadAGmay I say the EU sucks for enforcing that?21:02
DocScrutinizermay I say the Chinese were first to enforce it21:02
DocScrutinizerand may I say Motorola did a hell of a job to invent new bizarre ways to abuse USB receptacles for things the never were meant for21:03
timeless_xchatmohammadag : eu just sucks21:04
dangergrrlperhaps not but car usb chargers are still a very common item thses days, they have them at the auto parts store and the grocery store21:04
DocScrutinizerso what?21:04
BCMM"commodity" usb hardware - typically horrid21:05
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BCMMif it's anything more complicated than a cable21:05
BCMM(e.g. unbranded hubs)21:05
ZogGmeh noone wants to talk to me or answer me, going to drink and play ps321:06
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DocScrutinizerZogG: go sleep21:07
dangergrrli should just amazon a nokia car charger21:07
dangergrrlthey aren't even expensive just have to click and wait21:07
DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: any good quality charger with D+/- shorted (either OOTB or by a freind who knows how to connect two wires, preferably by soldering) will do21:08
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DocScrutinizerthough actually Nokia USB chargers explicitly compatible with N900 aren't more then a few bucks21:09
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dangergrrland i keep not ordering one online21:10
BCMMiirc, my local nokia shop didn't stock nokia car chargers for the n90021:10
dangergrrland then i saw one at the auto parts store when i was getting stuff for my motorcycle21:10
dangergrrli'm actually procrastinating right now, i have to ride to the honda dealer to get an air cleaner and it's 30 miles and i want to stream pandora without my battery dieing :)21:11
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DocScrutinizer  USB 2.0 Link Power Management Addendum Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 specification as of July 16, 2007. //  Suspend Current Limit Changes Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 Specification as of April 9, 2008  //  5V Short Circuit Withstand Requirement Change Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 Specification as of December 22, 200821:16
DocScrutinizer //  MicroUSB Micro-B ID Pin Resistance and Tolerance stack-up between D+ and D- Engineering Change Notice to the MicroUSB Specification to the USB 2.0 Specification, Revision 1.01 as of December 22, 2008  //  On-The-Go and Embedded Host Supplement to the USB 2.0 Specification, Revision 2.0 Plus Errata and ECN as of July 26, 2010  //21:16
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RST38hCS Profs Debate Role of Math In CS Education21:19
* RST38h cackles: yes, yes, graduate more dumb people, give 'em degrees...21:20
pupnik'but i don't need math for my php server and visual basic scripts'21:21
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DocScrutinizer  // PDF Document USB_for_Portable_Devices_FINAL.pdf* // PDF Document USB_OTG_and_EH_2-0.pdf  // et al21:22
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DocScrutinizerPDF Document otgc1_2.pdf*  >>Correct TD.6.13 and TD.6.16 per OTG F2F Meeting Updated Battery Charging<<21:24
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DocScrutinizerand yes, it's a mess those docs convolute - I guess you all are aware we got no OTG just because even Nokia gave up on trying to meet all the requirements put up by, and as they needed charging they decided to sacrifice OTG21:27
meceDocScrutinizer, other recent nok phones have charging and otg though.21:28
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DocScrutinizerother recent phones maybe got a tad more recent hardware21:29
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meceDocScrutinizer, possibly21:29
MohammadAGwhat's the state of the council nominations if only one person is running21:29
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DocScrutinizerI gather everything got postponed by one or two weeks?21:30
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RST38hSo, who is that lone lo^H^Hhero?21:33
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javispedroI gather bad times ahead :P21:36
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JaffaRST38h: SD6921:37
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pupnikwhat's good is smoku's move to get hildon running on meego21:39
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RST38hAh, an N800 guy...21:39
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RST38hpupnik: yea, hildon+meego+dellstreak = some coolness21:39
JaffaMohammadAG: I considered this scenario when setting up the council. If fewer than 5 candidates stand, there're clauses which deal with it. One of them being that the nomination time is extended (with the implicit assumption that the council would drum up more people). If there are still insufficient people then the current Council and qgil can do anything: nothing is ruled in or out.21:39
JaffaRST38h: Who, IIRC, believes the forums are king.21:40
RST38hJaffa: Can't argue on this point:forums are the only remaining lively part of Maemo"ecosystem"21:41
javispedro"and qgil can do anything"?21:41
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Jaffajavispedro: "the current Council and qgil can [decide to] do anything"21:42
javispedroah :P21:42
JaffaRST38h: It's a crap way of distributing software21:42
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RST38hJaffa: Nah,definitely not a way to distribute software21:43
Jaffajavispedro: e.g. install a benevolent dictator, disband the Council, continue the current Council for 6 months, hand-pick a Council, try the election again, ...21:43
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RST38hJaffa: But I can understand why SD69 prefers it: the guy is still using N80021:43
RST38hor even 770...21:44
MohammadAGI like the idea of dictatorship21:44
doc|homehaven't you been bombed yet?21:44
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RST38hDictatorship with no subjects, yes21:44
javispedrothe king of the toilet, as we use to say here.21:44
JaffaMohammadAG: They could be called "Supreme Chancellor", and then establish a dwindling G"Empire"21:45
RST38hdoc: Depending on where MohammadAG is at the moment, he has a choice of being bombed by either 1) a democratic republic or 2) a religious cleptocracy21:45
doc|homejavispedro: man, if my toilet was producing oil I'd be fine with that21:45
RST38hdoc:Few of us have such a freedom of choice...21:46
pupniki would welcome some people leaving the forums21:46
MohammadAG3) or myself21:46
RST38hThat is always an option, yes21:46
doc|homeRST38h: hmmm, I get that number 2 is the USA, who's number 1 in that list?21:46
Jaffadoc|home: If your toilet was producing oil, you should stop eating cars.21:46
BCMMMohammadAG: just one of the wonderful things you can with an overclocked n900.21:46
doc|homeJaffa: haha21:46
RST38hdoc: No, you have not got it at all, sorry21:46
MohammadAGBCMM, or an inflated battery21:46
MohammadAG(which I have 3x of)21:46
doc|homeRST38h: haven't I? have you not been paying attention to the last 30 years?21:46
BCMMMohammadAG: wtf do you do to the poor things?21:47
BCMMor is that just what happens in warmer parts of the world?21:47
MohammadAGnah, I think they're bad batches21:47
MohammadAGthe last one looks fake tbh21:47
MohammadAGthe other ones were recalled by Nokia, 6610 times21:47
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korhojoaany of you guys have a screen that has got two bright dots in it?21:48
korhojoanot the lcd, but the backlight probably21:48
MohammadAGmine has 800x480 bright dots21:48
korhojoait's pretty annoying. i'm afraid to send mine in for a rma, i heard they're not returning the same phone anymore?21:49
dm8tbrmy screen has hotspots, I just ignore them21:49
korhojoamy previous screen was perfect21:49
korhojoano blunders whatever21:49
korhojoathis one is ass21:49
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MohammadAGOvi store update on the N8, 4MBs, it's been 5 minutes...22:04
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wazd_MohammadAG: heya22:06
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fralsMohammadAG: for downloading or installing?22:07
wazd_MohammadAG: I've been working on CSSU icon, what do you think:
villagerkorhojoa: yeah after I sent in my old phone with a broken usb, I got a new one with two bright backlight dots22:07
MohammadAGwazd_, it looks awesome :D22:08
Zero_DoggHi, are there any /software/ errors that can cause the n810 to reboot upon scanning for wireless networks? Mine hangs, and then reboots whenever scanning for wireless networks (rendering it rather useless). I suspect it could be the hw, though I'd like to check around first22:08
keriowazd_: imgur or gtfo22:08
MohammadAGfrals, downloading :)22:08
MohammadAGwazd_, I'll have it in the next update, just wondering, should I also use it for the About Community SSU part?22:09
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kpomanhi all once again !22:12
kpomando someone know hwo to install nitdroid? just to test22:13
RST38htmo knows22:14
cehtehcan you make phone calls with nitdroid?22:15
kpomanI am trying to use cfdisk on the maemo and it doesnt work ... onlsy sfdik ??? why ?22:15
DocScrutinizerno idea22:17
ZogGhmmm qt has gtk flg support22:18
ShadowJKdoes "not work" mean it's not installed?22:18
DocScrutinizerI seem to recall I installed it and it worked as expected22:19
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DocScrutinizerkpoman: NB *UN*installing nitdroid seems to be way more problematic than installing it22:20
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kpomanDocScrutinizer: I dont understand the multiboot part22:27
DocScrutinizerthat's exactly the problematic part22:28
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DocScrutinizeras it is messing around with maemo to get nitdroid working, and on uninstalling nitdroid you easily render maemo broken and need to reflash22:29
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kpomanDocScrutinizer: but is maemo based on lilo, grub or something else nokia-propietary ?22:44
timeless_w7ipthere's no lilo and there's no grub22:45
DocScrutinizermaemo is based on NOLO as far as bootloader is concerned22:45
timeless_w7ipand generally i think of lilo/grub as loaders for x8622:45
DocScrutinizermultiboot is a nasty hack to reflash the kernel during boot22:45
MohammadAGbefore boot, preinit22:46
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MohammadAGquite a nice hack, if it didn't flash the kernel but loaded it instead22:46
DocScrutinizermeego is using uBoot for a real bootloader chainloaded by NOLO and starting up either maemo or meego22:46
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MohammadAGbut yeah, uboot dpes that well22:46
MohammadAGdoes even22:46
DocScrutinizerwhile that multiboot, as MohammadAG said, is messing with maemo init process, and deinstalling nitdroid tends to break maemo's init as essential parts of multiboot get removed or messed up22:48
Zero_DoggIs there any way I can install the base firmware image onto a sd card and boot from that? I'm beginning to think the internal memory card of my n810 is broken, because it keeps randomly rebooting22:49
MohammadAGwhat does cat /proc/bootreason output?22:50
Zero_Doggwill try to see if I can get that read on the next reboot, it just did it again. One moment22:51
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DocScrutinizerZero_Dogg: mine does as well22:53
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DocScrutinizerusual bootreason: watchdog22:53
RST38h[TSA will] retest every full-body X-ray scanner that emits ionizing radiation  247 machines at 38 airports  after maintenance records on some of the devices showed radiation levels 10 times higher than expected. The TSA says that the records reflect math mistakes and that all the machines are safe.22:54
Zero_Doggnow it's stuck in a reboot loop again so can't get to the xterm before it reboots, I'll try reflashing again and see if I can't get to it then22:54
RST38hMath. CS people do not need it.22:54
DocScrutinizerRST38h: since when are X-ray scanners used for body scans at airports? o.O22:55
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lcukDocScrutinizer, they installed them a few years ago22:55
DocScrutinizerFFS I'd not even allow my doctor to do a full bodyscan with X-ray22:56
RST38hDoc: Since that guy trying to transport a bomb in his underwear22:56
RST38hDoc: Well, then you probably do not want to go to US nowadays22:56
DocScrutinizerWHO recommendations are to keep those to not more than once per year afaik22:56
RST38hUnless you enjoy dumb overweight men pulling you by the balls.22:57
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* lcuk does not mind airport security - I note many more airports are doing blended checks around people which is good 22:57
lcukie multiple phased stages through22:58
DocScrutinizerI hope they issue a proper radiation dosage report to every passenger scanned this way, so the med doctor knows what's permissible for further examination of cancer, broken bones etc, during the next 12 months22:59
RST38hYea, right22:59
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MohammadAGairport security is meh23:00
MohammadAGespecially around here23:00
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Zero_DoggMohammadAG: /proc/bootreason says "32wd to"23:03
DocScrutinizersame here23:04
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internetishardanyone here successfully using pidgin OTR on the n900?23:04
DocScrutinizerjavispedro claims that timeout is caused by N810's nasty bme, which would of course mean those reboots may happen only when hooked up to charger23:06
Zero_Doggwell, mine happens whenever. Usually when it does something networky, like scan for wireless networks or attempt to bring usb networking up23:06
DocScrutinizermhm, that's in line with my suspicions23:08
wazd_MohammadAG: well, you can use it wherever you want :)23:08
DocScrutinizerwlan driver always been my prime suspect23:08
Zero_Doggrenders my device pretty much useless23:09
DocScrutinizeranyway, since battery swap mine seems to behave a bit better, but that might be placebo effect23:09
wazd_MohammadAG: though I forgot where to get vector logo, .png one has a bit rough edges23:09
MohammadAGI never understood the difference between scalar and vector graphics :P23:10
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MohammadAGwb javispedro23:11
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BCMMone is a grid of pixels, and therefore goes blocky when you zoom in and uses loads of storage23:11
wazd_MohammadAG: same as me with C++ and Javascript :D23:12
BCMMthe other instead stores instructions like "put a line here and a circle there"23:12
DocScrutinizerscalar graphics?? .oO(???)23:12
BCMMand therefore scales23:12
BCMMheh, i automatically corrected that to "raster" in my head...23:12
BCMMclearly, scaler graphics are like one-dimensional vector graphics.23:13
MohammadAGso vector ones can scale as much as I want without looking crappy?23:13
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BCMMMohammadAG: within reason, yes23:13
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BCMMMohammadAG: i mean, there exist SVG maps (as in of the world) which will be hopelessly inaccurate when zoomed23:13
DocScrutinizerwhat are scalar graphics?23:13
BCMMbut at least they won't be blocky23:13
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lcukMohammadAG, yes, you can zoom in on a vector image and read the license plate from the raindrop coming off the side of a car in shot23:13
MohammadAGlcuk, cool!23:14
javispedroI guess raster...23:14
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wazd_lcuk: absolutely, saw it on CSI too23:14
MohammadAGwait.. he wasn't joking?23:15
DocScrutinizerlcuk: only when the cam is operating on layer 3 of the matrix, not on the phy layer23:15
lcukahhhh CSI23:15
lcukGUI interface using visual basic to track the killers IP address CSI
n900evillcuk - seen
BCMMMohammadAG: have a look at in any reasonable browser and zoom all the way in23:15
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lcukn900evil, I have seen pretty much every shot taken of Red Dwarf and have somewhere signed copy of Infinity welcomes careful drivers :)23:16
n900evilasdfrgtfrgbnbvfgthgghjvfghjkl mnhgfsdfghj23:16
rtylerkitty on the keyboard!23:17
BCMMrtyler: doggy eating n90023:17
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: per definition when vector graphics are 2D the scalar graphics are 1D23:19
n900evilnaah - I was trying to remove back protector.23:19
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BCMMMohammadAG: actually, modern fonts are probably the best example of a vector format23:21
wazd_raster - pixels. vector - curves. That's the whole explaination :)23:21
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BCMMnote how even a 1000pt bracket is a smooth curve23:21
DocScrutinizerwazd_: off topic. What is scalar graphics?23:21
lcukBCMM, no - modern fonts are an example of a generation program23:23
lcukthey are not stored purely as data afaik23:23
BCMMthey express one-dimensional images in terms of "put a pixel 100px from the origin", of course23:23
ZogGis there way to leve a memos here?23:23
lcukyou can leave maemos here23:23
BCMMZogG: /msg memoserv help23:24
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ZogGBCMM yep, i know, i mean chan memos23:24
ZogGlike from bot23:24
ZogGlcuk =)23:24
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: one dimensional images? ooh, so that's the scalar images then. I just wonder what a 1D image looks like23:31
DocScrutinizerother than a straight line23:31
BCMMDocScrutinizer: they're typically stretched in a second axis, to form web 2.0 gradients.23:31
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DocScrutinizerso that's a question of the projection function used to transform 2D->1D->2D23:32
internetishardDocScrutinizer have you experienced this OTR issue with pidgin?23:33
DocScrutinizerI never used pidgin - well I used it once, for like one evening, when I decided it sucks23:33
BCMMin all seriousness, i have seen website featuring a 1xlots PNG that is stretched to form a gradient background... ugh23:34
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internetishardlol, what do you use for IM?23:34
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DocScrutinizeron N900? xchat FTW23:35
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internetishardwhat about gtalk, msn, aim, etc?23:35
DocScrutinizerwhat's that? ;-P23:35
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DocScrutinizerooh the one is matching my I_HATE_g* regex trigger23:36
BCMMIM was obsolete when it was invented, due to IRC.23:37
wazd_MohammadAG: - fixed icon23:37
internetishardBCMM: you must be joking...23:37
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BCMMi'm not joking; i'm just a zealot.23:37
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DocScrutinizerhonestly, what is IM meant to do that IRC can't?23:47
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DocScrutinizerthe only other semi-useful alternative to messaging via IRC or SMS is SIP-chat, at least in my book23:49
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BCMMwell, msn has the ability23:51
SpeedEvilIRC has splits, and non-existant offline message passing.23:51
internetishardwell it is that everyone has that shit23:51
internetishardmost people don't even know what IRC is23:51
BCMMmsn has the ability to change the protocol and break existing software every so often. also, tic-tac-toe.23:52
BCMMIRC lacks both of those.23:52
DocScrutinizerdefine "everyybody"23:52
internetishardyeah yeah23:52
BCMM"what does MSN have that IRC doesn't? Girls."23:52
BCMM(this is a wholey facetious response to what doc just asked. please don't burn me.)23:52
* SpeedEvil wishes someone would hack a femtocell23:53
SpeedEvilNow, that would be cool.23:53
DocScrutinizererr I don't even know what's MSN23:53
BCMMthere used to be a thing called MSN Instant Messenger23:53
BCMMcommonly called MSN23:53
SpeedEvilSo it could act like a VOIP->GSM gateway, or a GSM->VOIP23:53
BCMMit turned into something .net, and is now probably windows live something23:53
BCMMbut in some areas, it was pretty much what schoolkids used before Facebook IM, and it was always called "msn"23:54
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I gather that's exactly what femtocell hw is made for23:54
BCMMit totally sucked, but everybody knew about it23:54
BCMMkinda like facebook23:54
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: alas I never seen any23:54
BCMMor the win32 API23:54
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: so WTF would anybody ask for that sh*t, rather than use a somewhat sane approach like IRC or SIP?23:56
BCMMbecause they haven't heard of it23:56
BCMM"so what's your MSN?" "oh, why don't you download an IRC client?"23:57
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BCMMdue to the nature of social interaction, brand-awareness trumps technical superiority :(23:57
DocScrutinizerespecially when N900 supports yet another widespread fsckdup proprietary protocol for IM/VoIP, called skype23:57
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BCMM(see also, facebook)23:57
internetishardBCMM, the technical supperiority of an IM client is that it easy shows a list of contacts like a phonebook23:58
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BCMMyou can fake a "critical mass", for tech that requires one, by putting it in the default Windows install23:58
DocScrutinizerI can't help feeling offended being asked about my IM client23:58
BCMMlike how websites found it easier to code for ie6 than to try and persuade users to get firefox23:59
internetishardI was asking about OTR, which is certifiably cool23:59

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