IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-03-10

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kwtmtripzero: Sorry, not sure where to start looking at QMultimedia.  Google seems to point in irrelevant directions.  Is this part of the Qt library?00:00
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alteregoIs what you're looking for00:00
tripzerokwtm, yes.  look at the qt docs
kwtmAhh, thanks, alterego ... much easier to find without the misspelling. :P00:02
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tripzeronobody knows how to get the APN information out of maemo?00:11
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tripzeroahh, it's in connection settings00:20
kwtmaargh, eboard is only for Diablo and not Fremantle ... :(00:21
tripzerothat's eboring00:22
tripzeroborderline eborked00:22
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zerojayMohammadAG: Pong?00:35
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kwtmI like eboard better than xboard, but both seem to be better than the built-in osso-chess.00:37
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Wow, thanks for the advice on sox.  Now I can play chords instead of just single-frequency tones.  I want to use musical notes to have the n900 signal me, e.g. which phone number is calling me.  With sox, instead of playing 7 notes to represent the 7 digits of the phone number, I can just play 2 or 3 chords.00:39
kwtmI don't suppose there's a dbus signal for "this is the phone number of the incoming caller"?00:39
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DocScrutinizersure there is00:40
DocScrutinizerdbus-monitor |grep <thenumberyouknowiscalling>00:40
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kwtmDocScrutinizer: I was looking more for what number is calling me (including previously unknown phone numbers) and then playing various tones depending on what the number is (e.g. 123 would be do-re-mi etc.).  But I didn't know about dbus-monitor, so I'll look into that.00:43
DocScrutinizersure, I was telling you how to find the exact dbus signal that yields the number00:44
kwtmHmm, so I guess I can start with your command to see what sort of dbus signal gets sent when someone calls my n900, and then figure out what overall format the signal (or rather the dbus-monitor output) is...00:44
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DocScrutinizerexactly, given you know the number of the one calling you while monitoring00:45
kwtmbefore I crash my n900, please tell me: so, does dbus-monitor reply with text output and then exit, or does it stop and wait until there is a signal, or do I have to do Ctrl-C to stop it?  (The last one wouldn't make sense if you're telling me to pipe it through grep.)00:46
DocScrutinizerit prints out text, and exits on ^C00:46
DocScrutinizerand of course ^C works on pipes as well00:46
kwtmOh, so I can pipe through grep?  I didn't know.  Is there a "stop monitoring after 10 seconds" thing or do I have to kill it (if I'm using it in a script)?00:47
DocScrutinizeryou must lill00:47
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DocScrutinizerbut I don't suggest to use that for any real app. that's clearly a debug tool only00:48
kwtmok. testing now ... hope I'm not the first to discover some bug that requires a reflash or something <rolling eyes>00:48
DocScrutinizerfor real apps there are things like dbus scripting pkg00:48
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DocScrutinizernah, I did this several times now, last time maybe 1 week ago00:48
kwtmohh... what's the best way to have a Python script watch for an incoming phone call and do various stuff (like play notes) based on the signal?00:48
kwtmdbus scripting ... will search for it in maemo pkgs.00:49
DocScrutinizerlook at how dbus scripting does it00:49
alteregoQuite easy to listeen for ignals00:49
alteregoOne of my apps uses it I think, for listening to mafw song changes.00:49
kwtmalterego: Thanks for the advice.  I do see python-dbus (yea, it's in extras and not just extras-devel!).  Where can I find docs for it?  Its home seems to be at but there doesn't seem to be any doc for it.00:51
DocScrutinizertbh using dbus scripting and sox I guess this can be done in ~30 lines shellscript or 40 lines python00:51
alteregoIt's pretty simple, let me dig up an example.00:52
kwtmDocScrutinizer: I have improved in my (shell) scripting skills too ... so, dbus-scripts will install utilities to let me manipulate dbus?00:52
alteregokwtm: api docs: [Dp00:52
kwtmalterego: I haven't paid attention to the Python self-doc features ... do I need to just install it and then ... type something in the python interpreter?00:52
kwtmalterego: Ahh, will check that URL00:52
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DocScrutinizerdbus-scripting is a ready made daemon whatching for regex patterns on dbus signals and msgs, and executing arbitrary scripts on the particular signal00:53
alteregoYeah, that might be a better idea.00:55
alteregoUsing python-dbus is really easy though00:55
alteregoJust create a Session or System bus: bus = dbus.SystemBus()00:56
alteregoThen register a callback for a signal: bus.add_signal_receiver(callback, signal_name, interface, path = path)00:57
alteregoThen enter a main loop, either GMainLoop or the dbus python one00:57
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kwtmwow, I'm going to install both of these --dbus-scripts for ease and dbus-python for power.  Now that Nokia is sinking, I'll have to rely on already-existent packages to hack my n900.  Fortunately there is such a huge collection of these...00:59
kwtmThe dbus-scripts config reminds me of cron, except I guess instead of being triggered by time, it's triggered by events...00:59
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alteregoI think that was the point01:00
alteregoAnyhow, I'm heading off, ttyl01:00
kwtm... and finally, to shut up my phone, I can always install some null ringtone, I guess?01:00
kwtmthx for the help, alterego!  Bye!01:01
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DocScrutinizeraaah, per-contact ringtomes. See barisione's app doing that, it might be easy to tweak to do your accords for contacts that have no particular ringtone (or a special virtual ringtone) assigned to them01:04
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DocScrutinizeractually barisione put quite some thought into coping with silencing standard ringtone, and especially re-enabling it whenever it's needed01:06
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kwtmI think that one is linked to the n900 addressbook, an item I am trying to distance myself from.  I've blanked it out except for 3 or 4 phone numbers (it was choking on the large size of my addressbook before).  So I'll want all of the ringtones to be calculated on the spot from the incoming call, rather than pre-specifying ringtones for the few numbers known to the n900 addressbook.01:07
DocScrutinizerkwtm: "there's an app for that" been invented here, not in Cupertino01:07
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Ohh... ok, I should read his docs, then?01:07
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razeHi, anyone know a nice way to open up ports?01:08
kwtmYeah, I posted something similar in the Smartfone Arena championship about how n900 apps are created by typing 2 lines of text (as a script file) instead of having to look through some apps store.01:08
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DocScrutinizerthere's another one too: speak caller's number, somewhere on tmo01:08
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DocScrutinizer"say who's calling"01:09
DocScrutinizerraze: C4?01:10
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kwtmDocScrutinizer: Semtex is not available on Fremantle.  Must be still in the alpha stage?01:10
kwtmraze: Aren't the ports open by default?01:10
razekwtm: I doubt all are.01:11
DocScrutinizerI'm shutting my port from outside now01:11
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kwtmWhat's the difference between a session bus and system bus (on dbus)?  Is the session bus something that I create?  Therefore the built-in software on N900 will all run on the system bus?  And do I need to specify system bus or will dbus-scripts (and other monitors) just default to "monitor all buses" (if there is such a thing)?01:17
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tripzerokwtm, no01:22
tripzerosession bus is per-user01:22
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tripzerosystem bus is system-wide01:22
tripzeroservices register on a bus01:23
tripzeroif you want to use a service, you need to use the bus it's registered on01:23
tripzerotake a look at applications like d-feet or qdbusviewer01:23
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tripzeroand you'll get the idea of how it works01:23
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DocScrutinizerafaik dbus-scripts is monitoring both busses01:49
DocScrutinizerI might be wrong though01:49
DocScrutinizernow that's definitely too short a pub visit... bbl01:50
DocScrutinizers/'s/'s been/01:51
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: now that's been definitely too short a pub visit... bbl01:51
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DocScrutinizer51rsp now that's better01:56
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DocScrutinizer51## parachute used: diameter 10m, made of cottonsilk (nylon)02:36
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Proteousdo'nt do that03:23
ProteousI can't type03:23
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* DocScrutinizer wonders idly what's nylon based cottonsilk03:38
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zanberdothis might not be the right channel for this question, but I'm hoping someone has seen this: I have an N900 with T-Mobile as my service provider. I've upgraded the SIM to the uicc model but for some reason the damn network will not provision me with service. Anyone run into this and have any suggestions?03:41
DocScrutinizerI don't even have any F'ing clue what'a uicc model03:42
SpeedEvilzanberdo: you're inthe US I assume?03:43
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zanberdouicc is just the latest SIM card evidently. I don't know either. I was told my SIM from my old phone might not provision the data plan on the new network and they said 'go get the latest SIM'03:44
zanberdoit's likely not relevant...03:44
zanberdobut in case it was, I wanted to throw it out there03:44
zanberdoI'm getting tired of  being told 'we've reprovisioned your account, it could take 2 to 4 hours before you have access' so I wait and when I check it I still get redirected to the damn upsell sight for t-mobile03:45
zanberdoI've confirmed my network settings are correct03:45
zanberdowith their tech support03:45
SpeedEvilI don't suppose you've got another phone you could check it with?03:45
zanberdono, sadly my previous phone was a clam-shell Z80 (or some such)...03:46
zanberdoI'm going to stop in at the T-Mobile store on my way home tonight03:46
zanberdobut I fear I'm going to get there and they won't have a clue what to do03:46
Proteouszanberdo, is it just your data that doesn't work?03:46
zanberdoso I thought I try here first03:46
zanberdolet me try to answer that as best I can03:46
zanberdoI can connect to wifi with no trouble03:46
Proteouscan you recieve calls?03:46
zanberdoand I get phone calls and text with no trouble03:46
Proteousdid you try all three APNs for the network?03:47
Proteous<- I have tmobile and a n90003:47
Proteoustmobile doesn't know I have a n900 though03:47
Proteousthey think I have a dumbphone03:47
zanberdoI can even connect to the t-mobile network for data. it's just that whenever i try to navigate I get redirected to their 'your device doesn't work with this data plan'03:47
Proteousso I pay just $10 for unlimted data03:47
Proteouswhat APN are you using?03:48
zanberdoall three apns?03:48
zanberdoI think I only have the one03:48
Proteouswhat one is it?03:48
DocScrutinizeryou need an APN, and you maybe want to use a specific DNS, in advanced settings of that packet data connection on N90003:49
zanberdono username or password03:49
Proteoustry internet2.voicestream.com03:49
zanberdolet me try that.03:49
* DocScrutinizer sighs on fourth wold situation regarding GSM/3G in USA03:50
zanberdoProteous, should I leave auto-retrieve IP address and DNS or should I specify one as Doc suggests?03:50
DocScrutinizertry auto first03:51
zanberdook, trying now03:51
DocScrutinizerif you get redirected to <randomshit> then use e.g.
zanberdothat did it!03:51
zanberdothank you!03:51
Proteousno problem03:51
Proteoushave fun03:51
zanberdobeen fighting this for a few days now! hehehe03:51
Proteoustmoble reps are dumb03:51
DocScrutinizerso you should come here more directly03:52
zanberdook, one more question: how can I get ip information from the command line? ipconfig and iwconfig do not work and I can't find a package that includes them.03:52
DocScrutinizerevery drone is, not only t-mob03:52
zanberdoDocScrutinizer, you are correct sir! :)03:52
Proteousthere are aps that will tell you that stuff03:52
zanberdoyeah, i have a widget that gives me that info, but I was hoping there was a cli equivalent to iw/ifconfig03:53
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zanberdoI was going to say it's useful when you've ssh'd to the phone, but of course in order to do that you sort of have to know the IP so I suppose that's not a real good example... :)03:53
Proteousif you use the gainroot app03:54
Proteousyou can then use ipconfig03:54
Proteouser, ifconfig03:54
Proteousyeah, ifconfig is there you just have to be root to run it03:54
zanberdoyeah, sorry, ifconfig03:54
zanberdodid I say ip? gah... having to work on windows boxes at work...03:54
DocScrutinizeriw/ifconfig looks good to me03:55
DocScrutinizerboth available on maemo503:56
zanberdoah, I see.. I was calling ifconfig and was getting back '-bash: ifconfig: command not found' but when I run it with sudo it returns what I was seeking. should have tried it with sudo...03:56
DocScrutinizeryou should have tried with `root<enter>`03:56
Proteoustime to go home03:56
zanberdothanks for the help!03:57
Proteousnp, cya03:57
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DocScrutinizerI wish somebody would pay me for that stuff...03:57
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DocScrutinizerJaffa: ping03:58
DocScrutinizerFZ: "do they pay you good for that stuff that you do?"  devil: "Y'know, I can't complain when the checks come thru" FZ: "but I want my titties and I want my beer, so you barf it back up, devil, do you hear?!"04:00
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DocScrutinizer"Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! I am fhe Devil, Do you understand? Just what will you give me for your titties and beer? I suppose you noticed this little contract here, . ''04:05
DocScrutinizer"You can't fool me, man . . . you ain't that bad . . . I mean you shoulda seen some of fhe souls I had . . . Why there was Milhous Nixon 'n Agnew too . . . 'n both of fhose suckers was worse 'n you . . "WELL, LET'S MAKE A DEAL IF YOU THINK THAT'S TRUE I MEAN, YOU'RE THE DEVIL SO ... WHATCHA GONNA DO?04:07
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prontohas anyone been ablt to get either of the cameras  to be able to stream via flash(like ustream and such)04:42
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SpeedEvilI don't think flash supports that.04:46
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prontoi know flash itself does, but it looks like the flash the n900 has does not :<04:54
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kpomanhello all ! guys maybe unrelated to maemo, but is there a smaller image for debian chroot ? something less than that 300MB thing, that btw is ext2 and gets corrupted as soon as I try to update it ?05:04
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jameswis there any other way to do wifi or bluetooth tethering other than paid apps such as joiku?05:57
ds3yes, slirp05:57
jameswthanks ds3, not getting much on google, do you know of some keywords or tutorials?05:59
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jameswyea, nothing :(06:07
ds3just slirp06:08
ds3just have the bluetooth stuff listen for a rfcomm connection and have it spawn slirp instead of the other thing06:08
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jameswhere is a good resource
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orangeyHello all!06:14
orangeyI'm helping a friend with android, and it makes me that much more amazed with Maemo06:15
orangeyDoes android have anything even resembling "Conversations"?06:17
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orangeyIt's so sad.. I suddenly wished that instead of all the efforts to port android -> N900, people were porting Maemo to these beautiful android phones06:18
orangeyHow is the N900 better than the HTC Desire Z? Why can't I have maemo on that?06:19
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hajmolaanyone get extkbd to work? I can't seem to get any keyboards to work... although I only have 206:56
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krayonhajmola: works for me I ...07:03
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RST38hSamsung tries its hand at poaching disgruntled Symbian devs for Bada08:39
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RST38hNo wonder...08:39
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ruskieI thought samsung had another more maemo type initiative iirc08:40
ruskiei.e. a full stack from the ground up08:40
ruskienot Bada08:41
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budfiveanybody know if ogg files are supposed to work in the stock n900 media player? I recall it working at some point, but it doesn't now08:45
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budfiveI think I have extra codecs and whatnot installed08:45
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kulvebudfive: no ogg-support out of the box. Installing ogg-support from extras should bring in the ogg support to media player08:52
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budfivekulve: hmmm. Any idea how to debug it? ogg-support is installed, but no ogg files show up08:52
kulveif you have a lot of oggs, it can take a while before they show up08:53
slonopotamusoggs - things from chickon?08:55
doc|homehas anyone noticed that when you play the first song (happens on more than one) the media player will stop part way into the song.08:55
doc|homeplays through fine if you start it over08:55
trumeeis it possible to  Hold/Unhold command to Dialer via a script?08:55
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trumeeThe only way to get a decent sip call is to do the above in dialer, and i would like to map it to the camera key08:56
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budfivekulve: hmm. reinstalling ogg-support made it work....09:00
kulvewell, good that it works now :)09:01
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infobotsomebody said > was redirection of stdout to a file.09:03
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yigalis there an application that can will let me draw/write on pictures taken from my n900's camera?09:15
viszallthough it's more of a stylus painting program09:17
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viszwith large brush selections09:17
yigalvisz: I like MyPaint it's just that it's a bit too resource intensive09:17
yigalvisz: sorry I should have said that09:17
yigalvisz: great program by the way09:17
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viszcan you write text with ansel-a?09:18
viszi rather like that program09:18
yigalI haven't tried it yet :)09:18
viszit's a bit like lightroom09:19
yigalI was checking it out, looks nice09:19
yigalafter you dropped the name09:19
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yigalI've decided to install the latest firefox but after that's finished downloading I'll try it out09:20
viszhaven't had that installed for a while09:20
visz# EXIF-Browser-with-maps09:21
yigalnot exactly what I was looking for but well it might be good to have09:21
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Zero_DoggHi, is there any alternate locatino to download the latest n810 firmware image? is refusing my n810 WLAN id09:27
yigalvisz: I think I'll just stick with MyPaint for the time being09:28
flat`kahvi jäöäty09:28
viszright on09:28
yigalvisz: thank you09:28
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Zero_DoggAre there any known /software/ issues with wlan? My N810 locks up and then reboots whenever it scans for networks, so I'm guessing it might be hw10:01
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smharI am trying to install PyQt 4 Demo but I am getting this error: "Unable to install 'PyQt4 Demo'. Some application packages required for the installation are missing".  the details button show the followings: python2.5-qt4-core, python2.5-qt4-xml and python2.5-qt4-gui10:16
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smharis PyQt4 Demo broken?10:47
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timeless_xchatanyone here familiar w/ apache logging?11:02
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RST38hMoorning, people11:08
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alteregoRST38h: I never had a reply to that email you sent that guy about his SIP client.11:10
alteregoDid you hear anything?11:10
smharis PyQt4 Demo broken?11:13
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nidOtimeless_xchat: whats up?11:17
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RST38halterego: Eh?11:20
RST38halterego: Ah that11:21
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Khertanhum ... i ve a software architecture question, the next version of khweeteur will retrieve tweets in background, should i made a daemon running all time, or try to use alarmd. Then how to warn the gui, communicate via dbus, or made my own rpc call ?11:21
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Khertanthe problem i see using dbus is that it s not available on win11:22
RST38halterego: He has been hit by a bus and is currently traveling on its windshield11:22
RST38halterego: Will probably come back to reality once the bus stops.11:22
alteregoKhertan: I'd just have another thred11:23
alteregoKhertan: why do you want it as a seperate service?11:23
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alteregoKhertan: but if there is a good reason, dbus signals would be cool, as other people can integrate11:23
alteregoRST38h: heh, fair enough, I was just wondering because I had some issues with my dns which would have effected my email last week.11:24
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Khertanalterego: ... indeed ... but no real interest in fact :)11:38
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pupnikMark Pincus has amassed a $US1 billion fortune (Farmville, CityVille, Mafia Wars)11:42
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psycho_oreoswow, nice bit of useless info11:43
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crashanddieKhertan, not RPC -- AT ALL11:46
crashanddieKhertan, you probably meant IPC11:47
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pupnikshows scope of online gaming psycho_oreos11:47
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alteregoKhertan: well, if you ever feel the need to write a desktop widget as well ;)11:48
crashanddieKhertan, I'd suggest using DBus. It's relatively well-documented, however, your first assertion is not the right one: you shouldn't use a daemon just to retrieve tweets in the background. That's called a thread. If you include a daemon in Khweeteur, I'm removing it from my N900 ;)11:48
psycho_oreospupnik, more like how someone made fortune from online gaming, I wonder how relevant is that compared to maemo stuff :p11:48
crashanddiepsycho_oreos, dude, this is #maemo, off-topic is the new on-topic.11:49
psycho_oreoscrashanddie, *sigh*11:50
RST38hCONCLUSION: In order for Maemo/Meego to be successful, we need to figure out how to associate it with online gaming11:54
* RST38h guesses pornography wouldn't hurt either11:55
alteregoRST38h: but Nokia already folded :P11:55
Khertancrashanddie: indeed ipc :)11:56
Khertancrashanddie: this is for providing dm and mentions notifications even if khweeteur is close11:56
Khertancrashanddie: but it ll be optionnal of course11:57
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RST38halterego: Does nto matter, as long as there is gambling and pornography! =)11:57
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psycho_oreosand warez?11:59
Khertancrashanddie: the next version will use qml :)11:59
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psycho_oreosmaybe we should start condoning the piracy?11:59
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timeless_xchatnid0: i'll ask after lunch12:17
timeless_xchati need log files to be owned by a certain group12:17
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edheldilprobably nothing new to you, but an interesting read nonetheless:
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mazdokhi there13:20
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Lava_Croftshit article13:21
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Lava_Croftany article about the Nokia/MS deal that talks about Nokia now being just a MS OEM is a shit article13:34
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VeggenLava_Croft: Det real gripe people have, I guess, is that Nokia keeps so quiet about their official plans, etc. There is no clear roadmap for Meego now, and people are wary about going for it.13:39
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VeggenPersonally, if I were a developer, I'd be reluctant to target Meego now, and this will be the demise of Meego unless someone actually says "yes, Meego is a primary platform for us for the immediate and long-term time-frame"13:40
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Lava_Crofti dont see how this is related, unless the relation is being angry and therefore making really dumb remarks, like the writer of that article13:41
Lava_Crofti dont think it's exactly fair to nokia either13:42
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JaffaDocScrutinizer: pong - but I'm at #qcon so a little disconnected14:07
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DocScrutinizerwhatever qcon is14:08
DocScrutinizerI gather it's some happening in HEL, so part of my ping is moot14:09
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DocScrutinizerat least it's no widely popular IRC chan :-P14:10
fralsits not in HEL14:11
JaffaDocScrutinizer: Sorry, it's a conference in London14:11
fralsthink its in london?14:11
* Jaffa nods.14:11
fralsthought it was quakecon first, was disappointed when it wasnt :<14:11
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DocScrutinizerJaffa: how's negotiations with Nokia?14:13
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JaffaDocScrutinizer: I (personally) haven't had a chance to touch base with qgil yet this week. Will try to do so today.14:18
DocScrutinizerJaffa: fine :-)14:19
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* DocScrutinizer frowns at his English skills getting worse year by year, rather than better. Wonders what to do to counteract that. For sure IRC isn't the place to practice14:28
KMFDMDocScrutinizer, if it makes you feel any better, I'm an american expat with the same problem14:29
KMFDMtalking with Americans from where I'm from certainly isn't the way to improve it14:29
DocScrutinizernice nick, btw14:30
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RST38hDoc: Move to US!14:37
RST38hDoc: Start going to born-again christian conventions!14:37
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lardman|gonecan't see moving the the US helping people to speak English ;)14:41
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DocScrutinizerlardman: ++14:47
E0xheh DocScrutinizer that pic in you tmo avatar is you ?14:47
lardmanMy German is pretty poor now as I never get to speak it14:47
lardmanin fact it was better at school than when I was at uni, despite doing some of my engineering courses in German14:48
MohammadAGarschloch (probably misspelled) is the only word I know :p14:48
DocScrutinizerthat pic is one of my avatars. The instance typing this is another one14:48
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: perfect14:49
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MohammadAGOh and wassar14:50
E0xDocScrutinizer: heh i was thinking of what badass guy14:50
DocScrutinizerwell, for me at least. Going anal, dome German profs might claim it's a noun an needs capital14:50
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MohammadAGAsshole is a noun that needs captilaism?14:50
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: well, for me at least. Going anal, some German profs might claim it's a noun an needs capital14:50
DocScrutinizerAssholes need capitalism, yes14:51
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DocScrutinizerwell, see what's my initial statement. I just mean upper case first letter14:52
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DocScrutinizer~x de en Wasser14:56
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DocScrutinizercapitalization is the word14:58
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DocScrutinizer~spell captilaism14:59
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infobotpossible spellings for captilaism: capitalism capitalist capitalism's capitals capital's capitalize14:59
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RST38h~spell capsialism15:01
infobotpossible spellings for capsialism: capitalism specialism capitalist cannibalism racialism capitalism's capitals socialism capital's capsules capitalize capsulize capsule's15:01
DocScrutinizershe's quite creative :-)15:02
_berto_~spell meego15:02
infobotpossible spellings for meego: me ego me-ego MEGO Meg meg Margo Meggi merge meek mega Meggy meager merger MEGOs Meggie Mg Moog ergo mg Magi Magoo Megen magi EEG ego Mag MiG mag mug meeker megs Eggo Lego meed meet memo mango Meg's meg's15:02
DocScrutinizermerger, hey15:03
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DocScrutinizerMagoo always been my fav15:03
_berto_~spell elop15:03
infobotpossible spellings for elop: elope lop Eloy clop flop glop plop slop15:03
trxflop haha15:04
DocScrutinizerI thought that's been the right spelling from beginning15:04
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RST38hMaeblin sounds better than Magoo15:05
DocScrutinizeryou know those games "take away one match to make this a correct word"15:05
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* SpeedEvil Meows.15:07
DocScrutinizermoin SpeedEvil15:13
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pupnikthe e71 transflective display is fantastically readable in sunlight15:28
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pupnikshort password15:30
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* Macer facepalms apple15:35
RST38hStop facepalming religious icons!15:35
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Maceryou know.. you just get to the point where it seems like gas prices are $4/gallon15:36
Maceroh.... wait....15:36
* ruskie notes that gas prices around here have beet 1eur+/L for a while now15:36
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* Khertan notes that gas prices around here is near 2eur+/L15:40
pupnikget ready for inflation15:41
Khertaneach time gas rise 0.1 ... gov take 0.089 ... so total is 0.18915:42
Khertanwelcome to francre15:42
ruskiewell they seem to try and maintain the prices a bit more in check here with their gas tax15:43
Dassuwhy not buy a electric car?15:43
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ruskieto few charging points?15:43
ruskienot enough range?15:43
KhertanDassu: because i need a range larger than 50km15:43
Dassuperheps there are ele cars with range more than 50km15:44
FauxFauxWhy not move to a city with petroleum powered transport network and get all your stuff delivered by petroleum powered couriers?  Oh, wait. /o\15:44
Dassudunno,@I have never driven a car15:44
ruskiefor my daily trip I'd need 12km range... each day and that's just home->work->home15:44
RST38hKhertan: Do not drive, walk15:44
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KhertanFrench Car constructor here just change the gas motor by an electric one without thinking more ...15:44
RST38hDo not fly either15:44
FauxFaux12km is within cycling distance.15:44
ruskieand I don't want to charge it every day15:44
KhertanRST38h: i take the train ... but the train here use also gaz :)15:44
ruskieFauxFaux, 6km one way15:44
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* RST38h does not understand why people need to drive or fly huge distances. Raise the fuel prices, pin them to their current locations, it is safer this way15:45
FauxFauxThat's, like, 20, 25 minutes.15:45
ruskieFauxFaux, and no... I'm tired of cycling in wind, rain, snow,15:45
* pupnik notes that cycling is fun and refreshing15:45
RST38hWill save you on security measures at the airports, too15:45
FauxFauxRST38h: Good thing tourism isn't the only interest in many places.15:45
ruskieI used to cycle each day to work and back15:45
KhertanRST38h: give me a telecommute work ! :)15:45
ruskiealways ~6km15:45
ruskieone way15:45
RST38hFaux: there is also alcoholism, indeed15:45
ruskietakes me like 15-20 min15:45
ruskieI had to replace my tires every 6 months15:45
ruskiereplace the inflation tubes every two weeks15:46
* pupnik biked year round in minnesota15:46
ruskiebecause nobody cleans the bike routes...15:46
ruskieso they are full of glass and other crap15:46
ruskieand then there's the nice people that will stab the tire...15:46
Khertanthe only appealing electric car i know is :
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pupnikruskie i hate those people15:46
RST38hAnd how do you charge it?15:46
RST38hAnd, btw, how much pollutants did it take to build the battery?15:46
Khertanruskie: do not complain you have bike route ... there isn't were i live :)15:47
ruskieKhertan, only part of the way15:47
Khertan480Km range15:47
ruskiepart of the way is on a rather dangerous part of the road15:47
ruskieow... and when there is snow... I might get to work in the morning15:47
ruskiebut getting home will become impossible15:47
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ruskiebecause all the snow ploughs will dump all the excess snow ON the bike paths...15:47
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ruskieand it's not like I have a city/trekking/road bike...15:49
ruskieno I drive around on a mountain bike15:49
ruskiehave rather chunky tires... and even that doesn't really help15:49
ruskieand of course there's the constant issue of drivers actually NOT respecting right of way for bikes... so a crash is always an option15:50
ruskieand carrying around quite a few tools to be able to always fix a flat is not fun as well15:50
ruskieI might try to bike to work during the summer though...15:51
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ruskiebut depends on the weather15:51
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ruskienote to self: go buy yourself a bigger bik seat before actually trying to bike again...15:52
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andre__~seen javispedro15:52
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infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 14h 15m 8s ago, saying: 'call the fire brigade'.15:52
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FIQ|n900d # backspace backspace #15:55
FIQ|n900awesome way to do hold=another char15:55
* FIQ|n900 prefers keyboard repeat15:55
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pupnike71 screen is more readable in sun than n90016:00
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dashavoopupnik: but N900 screen is still more readable than most android phones I have seen =D16:10
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dashavooAfter updating to PR1.3, did anyone find their network connection (mobile) became less reliable?16:17
hajnu med sidevognsbevis! :)16:17
hajsorry.. wrong chan16:17
SpeedEvildashavoo: no16:17
dashavooSpeedEvil: shame... there must be more wrong with my phone than just the broken screen and loose USB :(16:17
dashavooand impossible lock code ;)16:18
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SpeedEvildashavoo: where are you?16:21
dashavooSpeedEvil: UK16:21
SpeedEvildashavoo: Yiouhave a 2 year warranty16:22
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SpeedEvilNot forthebroken screen though16:22
dashavooSpeedEvil: yes, but the broken screen isn't covered by that16:22
dashavooI'm trying to sort that out with insurance company16:22
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FIQ|n900As i don't have access to my desktop, i changed mouse settings (so i have the new active when i login locally next time)16:24
FIQ|n900Also, lxappearance wanted to change my mouse on my _current_ X session :P16:25
FIQ|n900so i got a mouse in Maemo randomly16:25
lcukmust have been a small mouse to fit inside the n90016:25
FIQ|n900Ofc it will disappear on reboot, as the settings was made only remotely - it just wanted to change it seamless but did it on wrong session16:26
FIQ|n900happy now? :p16:26
FIQ|n900so now i have a blue mouse inside X-chat :D16:27
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denohi there16:27
dashavooHi deno16:27
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denodo you know how could it be possible that after uninstalling a library, modifiying it and reinstalling it,the program uses the old lib?16:28
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dashavoodeno: it depends on how it was compiled16:31
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denodashavoo, what do you mean?16:32
denoit was compiled well16:32
denoin scratchbox it works16:32
denotransfering it on the phone doesn't16:32
dashavoodeno, static vs dynamic linking16:33
dashavoosorry, I was going to go into more detail, but people in the office have noticed I'm not working ;)16:34
denosee you16:34
denociao :P16:34
denothx anyway16:34
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FIQ|n900In my settings, i have a menu item, "Remove operator lock"16:36
FIQ|n900Why do i have it?16:36
FIQ|n900I didn't have it before reflash16:36
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DocScrutinizerare you sure?16:43
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DocScrutinizeractually you *might* have found sth. Maybe that's one of the nowhere documented little differences between the different local version of firmware image16:46
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LjLany idea why N810 gives "Not enough memory in target location" when trying to save stuff (.debs so far) into the memory cards from MicroB? it waits a while, then it says that. "df" also takes a while before showing /media/mmc1. fsck.vfat shows no problems. i'm running the community SSU16:51
merlin1991X-Fade: ping16:52
JaffaLjL: I had that when $MYDOCSDIR was changed.16:53
X-Fademerlin1991: pong16:53
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LjLJaffa: it is currently /home/user/MyDocs...16:53
merlin1991Jaffa meant you handle the #maemo cloaks?16:53
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X-Fademerlin1991: On a good day, yes.16:54
merlin1991today is a bad day?16:54
JaffaX-Fade: 5here was a discussion about having some CSSU cloaks16:55
DocScrutinizeras you're both online, the day might be rather good16:55
X-FadeJaffa: Can I deputize you to create a list? :)16:55
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DocScrutinizer/stats p :-/16:56
* X-Fade hands out a nice badge to Jaffa16:56
JaffaTa. :)16:57
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DocScrutinizerthis list afaik needs account details for each user applying for a cloak16:58
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* DocScrutinizer just wonders why CSSU needs own cloaks. Not that it matters...17:00
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baryudCloak ?17:07
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keriocan i get a CSSU cloak?17:14
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dashavoowhat is a cloak? Sorry if it is a really obvious question.17:19
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keriodashavoo: /whois kerio17:19
SpeedEvilSee rm_work entering the room17:20
keriothe thing that's there instead of my hostname is a cloak17:20
SpeedEvilIt said '(03:19:52 PM) rm_work [] entered the room.'17:20
SpeedEvil(03:14:04 PM) TomaszD [~tom@Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD] entered the room.17:20
SpeedEvilcompare with17:20
rm_workyeah how come I don't have a hostmask :P17:20
SpeedEvilI can tell that rm_you is on (03:14:04 PM) TomaszD [~tom@Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD] entered the room.17:20
dashavookerio: aaah right17:20
SpeedEvilAnd run nmap/... against him17:20
dashavooI always knew it as a host alias17:21
kerioi bet TomaszD is using ipv917:21
TomaszDipv9 is old news17:21
TomaszDI run on ipv1217:21
kerioooh that's how you get that fancy hostname17:21
SpeedEvilInteresting ports on (
SpeedEvilNot shown: 989 closed ports ...17:21
TomaszDI'd better have a hostmask with all these hackers around here17:22
SpeedEvilIn principle, it adds some security17:22
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kerioping: cannot resolve Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD: Unknown host ;_;17:22
DocScrutinizer[2011-03-10 16:07:56] <DocScrutinizer> re  <Jaffa> Anyone who wants a CSSU cloak, email me ---- please include a complete copy of  /msg nickserv info <your_user_name>   as that's the info needed for issuing a cloak  ---  see related IRC channel17:23
DocScrutinizerkerio: fool, that's the whole purpose of a cloak - as the name implies17:24
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kerioDocScrutinizer: *wooooooooooooooosh*17:24
Khertanit s funny ... starting WireShark make my n900 reboot when connected to usb17:26
rm_workam i going to have to rework my network security at home? :P17:26
rm_workSpeedEvil: how many open ports did you see thar?17:27
DocScrutinizera full nmap can't complete in such short time17:28
Khertani ve rework mine this morning ... forgot the -r on shutdown ...17:28
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JaffaHmm, AFAICT, none of the nominations for the Council have been accepted yet, have they?17:29
Khertanrm_work: you have many service running :)17:29
rm_workYeah, 80/22/21/8080/443 sound right17:30
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rm_work389 and 3128 i'll have to check17:30
Khertanoups ... i whois you rm_work nickname17:30
DocScrutinizerrm_work: you know there's public services for that17:30
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DocScrutinizer[Notice] -NickServ- Email      : noemail17:33
DocScrutinizerI doubt this will fly for a cloak17:33
DocScrutinizerthere's [Notice] -NickServ- Flags      : HideMail17:33
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DocScrutinizerNB you need to properly config your IRC client to authenticate to nickserv *prior* to entering any channel/room, otherwise such a cloak is nonsense and doesn't help17:39
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DocScrutinizerthe recommended method for freenode is to use <username>:<password> as the server password which virtually all clients can transmit when logging in to a IRC server17:41
SpeedEvilrm_work: 1117:43
Venemohi all17:43
rm_workSpeedEvil: cool. don't hack me or i'll be sad :P17:44
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SpeedEvilI only hack people to make them happy,  so OK.17:45
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chadiany hint on how it is possible to remove the "You: " in the conversations js/html/css ?17:45
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ale152i'm trying to install xfoil, an engineering software, on n90017:49
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ale152for now, i'm just trying with the readme file, included in the package17:49
ale152now it ask me a Fortran compiler on your system17:49
ale152*on my system17:50
ale152where can i find, a fortran compiler?17:50
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ale152apt-get install f77?17:53
ale152couldn't find :(17:53
crashanddieOH NO THEY DIDN'T
crashanddie"The FAP engine, a technical standard The HDi FAP engine provides the driver with many advantages"17:54
X-Fadecrashanddie: Well, is that worse than fapman? :)17:55
ale152RST38h, it can't install some dependencies17:55
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crashanddie"FAP: How does it work? This first phase involves catching the soot particles in a porous, silicon carbide filter."17:55
ale152f2c and cpp17:55
ale152it says is not installable17:55
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ale152each lib i try to install, it depends to another lib, i can't install17:57
ale152how can i install fort77?17:58
Khertancrashanddie: what the problem with fap ?17:58
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crashanddie"to fap" == "se branler"17:58
Khertan... ...17:58
dashavoohaha, look up from my work and that is what I see17:59
Khertanseat start with the Seat Leon Fap17:59
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Khertancrashanddie: but something i notice recently is that high compression turbo is authorized in France now18:01
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pupnik_yes dashavoo when i compare usability of screeen plus kbd, n900 is much better.. but e71 has twice thw battery life andd half the size18:48
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pupnik_just an amazing device for the money (used)18:49
Lava_Croftexcept its an e7118:49
pupnik_well im chatting with it now18:50
pupnik_sure it limited18:50
Lava_Croftwhich is why its battery lasts so long18:50
Lava_Croftcant really compare the two at all18:50
Lava_Crofti think e71 is a whole lot cheaper too18:51
Lava_Croftbut you are right, cheap nokia phones are value for money18:51
pupnik_oh thats why i have both now18:51
Lava_Croftim not going to carry around two devices18:51
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alturiakhas anyone succeeded in installing firefox 4 on the n900? it keeps trying to download version 1.1 from the Ovi-Repository for me20:00
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alturiakaha, mozilla somehow screwed up the repository, it seems... well, manual install it is then20:06
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Lava_Croftalturiak: you mean firefox mobile?20:12
Lava_Croftor the real firefox 420:13
Lava_Croftrunning latest beta here20:13
alturiak <- that one20:13
Lava_Croftworks fine, nightlies too20:13
Lava_Croftwhich version do you want20:13
Lava_Croft1.1 is latest20:13
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alturiakwell, the repository they have suggest they have 4.0beta5 available for maemo20:14
Lava_Croftthats desktop firefox20:14
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Lava_Croftworks fine here, using the link from the website you just linked20:14
Lava_Croftim using it too20:14
alturiakbecause it downloads 1.1 from Ovi rather than the one the repository should have but doesn't20:15
Lava_Croftthats the nightly20:15
Lava_Croftdisable the ovi repo20:15
Lava_Croftin app manager20:15
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Lava_Croftyou dont need ovi for anything anyhow20:15
alturiakdoesn't sound very desktop to me :)20:16
Lava_Crofti think you are using the wrong repo maybe20:16
alturiakwell, it's the one linked on
Lava_Croftim using that one20:16
alturiakgranted it's not working, but still... :)20:16
Lava_Croftvia that website20:16
SpeedEvilBug? Share a photo, and it doesn't prompt you to come out of offline mode?20:16
alturiakwill try yours since my repo complete locks up my phone when starting firefox :)20:17
Lava_Croftthat is a nightly build, alturiak20:17
Lava_Croftmaking a pic of my ff repo in ham atm20:17
alturiakbut still, it's the one they link, so they probably should fix it *g*20:17
Lava_Croftjust need slow ham to hurry up20:17
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alturiakdisabling ovi doesn't help, btw. the repo I linked seems empty to maemo, so it just says it can't find any fennec package :)20:19
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yigalyay irssi reconnected me to freenode20:24
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pcfeirssi on N900 rocks indeed.20:28
merlin1991there should be an adapted quassel client for the n900, that would be awesome20:28
Lava_Croftirssi + screen + ssh20:29
yigalLava_Croft: oh ya20:30
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yigalmerlin1991: hmm just googled quassel seems good20:31
alturiakgm.. for some reason, my n900 won't find a firefox in the nightly repo either...20:31
Lava_Croftalturiak: :O20:32
Lava_Croftalturiak: using HAM?20:32
alturiakapt-cache, HAM, fapman...20:32
alturiakneither works20:32
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alturiakah wait, apt-cache shows a 1.1~b2~20110305010704, sounds right to me20:34
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yigalhas anyone here used usb host mode to connect to a printer and print?20:37
lcukRST38h, :O20:37
lcukare you reddy?20:37
lcukand don't be blue:
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lcuka high res version lol20:37
yigalthat's a beautiful shot20:38
lcukthe driver was not injured!20:39
yigalsomeone's not getting their package though20:39
lcukI wonder if they cleaned up by numbers20:39
yigalglad the driver wasn't hurt though20:40
lcukyeah yigal from the pictures it looks like it20:40
naemotrx: any news?20:40
naemotrx: I have an idea20:40
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RST38hlcuk: whole thing looks extremely gay =)20:42
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lcukRST38h, perhaps20:44
yigalRST38h: the colors you mean?20:44
lcukorwe now know Jackson Pollock became a truck driver.20:44
RST38hyigal: yeah20:44
lcuk"Red, blue, and yellow ink cartridges were inside the truck, but Ferson said there is no evidence the yellow ink was released. "20:44
lcukdamn, no yellow ink20:44
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RST38ha pity, yes20:44
lcukthey could have considered it a green cleanup operation20:44
yigalit would have just been green washed though20:45
RST38hred+blue gives you magenta, the color of insanity20:45
yigalnot a real environmental job20:45
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lcukits ok yigal the road was closed for so long until the tipex wagon arrived.20:45
alturiak"E: Handler silently failed" *sighs* :)20:46
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MohammadAGapt-getting something from user/hidden does that20:47
alturiakI see20:47
alturiakthere's a higher version in user/network, though...20:49
MohammadAGyou can compile apt with --disable-hide or something (can't remember atm)20:49
* MohammadAG wonders if he should put that on the CSSU20:50
alturiakmeh... it also fails if I explicitly select the version from user/network to be installed20:50
alturiakI think this is the least convenient error message I've seen ;-)20:51
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MohammadAGalturiak, dpkg -i this
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alturiakMohammadAG: eek, it's working20:57
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MohammadAGyw :)20:58
mece\o Is what I mean20:59
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alturiakLava_Croft: hm, that's still firefox 3.6.16, though... but unless mozilla comes up with a working version of 4.0, that's probably the best you can get right now :)21:02
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alturiakstill a little annoying when they promote the mobile version of 4.0 on every download-page of the desktop 4.0 :)21:05
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Lava_Croftalturiak: that is firefox mobile21:06
Lava_Croftalturiak: there is also a Qt build somewhere in the repo21:06
Lava_Croftbut its even worse21:06
Lava_Croftalturiak: you are not missing out on anything tho21:06
Lava_Croftff mobile is a joke compared to good old microb21:06
alturiakwell, I don't really care if it's called fennec or firefox, it says it's available for maemo and they provide a) a broken repository and b) a broken package :)21:07
Lava_Croftbut its not broken21:07
Lava_Croftsince it worked fine for me21:07
Lava_Croftvia the website21:07
alturiakI tried to install the deb, it doesn't even load properly... but maybe that really is my fault somehow :)21:07
Lava_Croftboth the beta and the nightlies work fine for me21:08
Lava_Croftvia their respective .install files21:08
alturiakwe're talking about the link "for Maemo - free - " on, yes?21:08
Lava_Croftyes, there is only one firefox for maemo21:08
Lava_Croftat least official21:08
alturiakhm... well. no idea then. I like having firefox around for the sync21:09
alturiakand it's gotten a lot better compared to the first release :)21:09
Lava_Croftwell, its a bit slow to load up at first and it doesnt do flash21:09
Lava_Croftthat is for sure21:09
Lava_Croftat least its usable now21:09
Lava_Croftfirst releases were so bad21:09
alturiakyeah :)21:09
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alturiakI use opera mini for almost everything, but when I need synced data, I switch to firefox21:10
Lava_Croftstill dont think its a good thing they use the same codebase for desktop and mobile versions21:10
Lava_Croftits so big21:10
Lava_Crofti use microb exclusively21:10
Lava_Croftopera should update their maemo build21:10
alturiakI use microb for flash... only ;-)21:10
alturiakanyway, gotta go. thanks for your advice and insights :)21:11
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Lava_Croftalturiak: by the way21:14
Lava_Croftthats the qt thing21:14
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eichifor the n900 hardware keyboard. do you write with fingernails or with the fingertip? I think, fingernail is more easy, but now i see, it demages the black colour on the keys21:33
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FauxFauxHow long are your thumbnails? :s  I have to get into a horribly uncomfortable position to even try thumbnails.21:33
luke-jreichi: I type with my thumb-fronts21:34
merlin1991I use the fingertip, but backspace return and fn keys have lost like 50% of the black colour already :)21:34
luke-jrwhy would you use tip or nail?21:34
eichiluke-jr what else?21:35
eichiluke-jr what is "thumb-fronts" ?21:35
luke-jrcenter of your fingerprint21:35
eichiyeah okay. somethimes i try this, but its not as easy to aim every key :P21:36
eichiwith this, i make the most misstakes21:36
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lolcatI am going to take legal actions against the shop who sold me the N900!21:41
eichilolcat: why?21:42
rm_worklolcat: lolwhy21:42
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lolcatThey gave me a Nokia 1208 to borrow while they fix the usb port on the N900.21:42
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lolcatIt will take 4-5 months. But I will win!21:43
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rm_workis there a joke here i'm missing? :/21:43
lolcatMy problem is, will they still sell N900'eds in 5 months?21:43
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tripz0another usb-port bites the dust21:44
eichilolcat: what is "eds" ?21:45
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yigalhas anyone tried or been succesful at printing as server to a usb connected printer?21:48
yigalanyone here, let me clarify21:48
lolcatN900, will it be in shops in 5 months?21:48
yigalon n90021:48
lolcatOr will they have N950? Will they be usable?21:48
yigaln950 anyone's guess, right?21:48
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lolcatThis sucks... I have to win this case and get my money back21:50
keriohaha, you won't get your money back21:50
kerioi mean, from the store maybe21:50
lolcatI will21:50
yigallolcat: you are representing yourself21:50
keriobut i suspect you're going to lose more to the layer21:50
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yigalfriend or pro bono?21:51
lolcatI have a legal rigth to have a phone with similar functions while they are repairing me. If they cause me a 'significant inconcinivence' I have a rigth for a refund.21:51
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yigalI'm not saying that you don't in theory21:51
keriosimilar functions = makes phone calls21:51
yigalbut who will defend your case in court?21:52
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lolcatkerio: No, it is a previous case where a guy got a Nokia 1100 while they where fixing his N97. He won in the court for consumer cases (hard to translate).21:53
yigallolcat: which country do you live in?21:53
lolcatyigal: It won't go to a real court, and it is a consumer organisation who will help me out with that.21:53
yigallolcat: good to hear21:53
lolcatyigal: Norway, or consumer rigths are crazy.21:53
yigallolcat: sorry to hear21:53
lolcatThey are good21:53
lolcatBut nobody follows them21:54
lolcat5 years warranty by law on most electronics21:54
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yigallolcat: that sounds very reasonable21:57
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RST38hAh, another stock market crash22:00
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SpeedEvillolcat: small claims court?22:11
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lolcatSpeedEvil: No, it is only for consumer cases22:28
lolcatThey can judge like a court, but they are not. They can force the retailer to comply with their decicion22:28
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lolcatBut now, 9PM I got a text from someone in said shop, telling me I could get a bether phone to borrow. So now I have wrtitten down my five favorite functions of my phone and is going to demad to get it tomorrow.22:29
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kpomanhello !22:33
kpomando someone know how to use h323 and SIP with n900 ?22:34
kpomanthere was ekiga in the past. is it available somewhere ? how to do videoconferencing with it ?22:35
kpomanhelp ! thanks :p22:35
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SpeedEvillolcat: Ah22:40
DocScrutinizer51kpoman: I created a SIP account, and selected videocall-SIP from contacts22:41
DocScrutinizer51alas I had no real video enabled peer to call22:42
DocScrutinizer51the video codec actually used in SIP gets negotiated between the two clients during SDP, there's no real sense n defining it a priori as h.32322:44
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lolcatSpeedEvil: It is a bit boring if they are nice now, I want to own them and rant about them in the press22:48
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DocScrutinizer51kpoman: of course SIP-videocalls are available only for true SIP "numbers"22:50
kwtmlolcat: Let's hear the Fave Five!  (Tmobile USA uses that term to market the fact that you can set up 5 favourite phone numbers to call for free.)22:51
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DocScrutinizer51add something like to a contact and you can choose from SIP-chat SIP-call and SIP-videocall22:52
kwtmMy Fave Five would include vim, bash, dbus ... I don't know which other two to pick.  Ssh maybe....22:52
dangergrrlactually they dropped my fave five22:53
kwtmdangergrrl: ?? Did they accidentally delete your Fave Five record, or do you mean they don't offer that Fave Five feature any more?22:53
dangergrrlthey don't offer it anymore22:54
dangergrrlonly under old contracts22:54
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: where do I find that application ?22:54
lolcatA internet browser, keyboard, wlan, option to install third party software, gps (not agps since it sucks in the forest), and a camera.22:54
lolcatIt is quite modest22:54
DocScrutinizer51errr which application?22:54
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: I mean can I call an IP with SIP ?22:55
lolcatBut with those, I can actually get some work done22:55
DocScrutinizer51sorry, what now?22:55
dangergrrli'm wanting to get voip working this month i get unlimited data :)22:55
DocScrutinizer51as said above22:55
DocScrutinizer51add something like to a contact and you can choose from SIP-chat SIP-call and SIP-videocall22:55
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: I mean right now I am testing ekiga, both on linux and windows, putting sip:some.ip.add.ress ... is there an ekiga or something similar for n900 ?22:56
kwtmspeaking of browser ... is there a text-mode browser for maemo?  Like links2 or elinks or lynx or something?22:56
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kwtmdangergrrl: Is it practical?  My wife uses Skype but sometimes the connection is iffy.22:56
DocScrutinizer51nope, that's not a valid sip addr22:56
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: it works with IP too, it opens port 5060 and I am able to call that machine22:56
DocScrutinizer51a valid sip addr is like I wrote 2 times now22:56
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: at least on ekiga I am able to without users22:57
DocScrutinizer51then ekiga is fsckdup22:57
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kpomanDocScrutinizer51: let me see ...22:59
DocScrutinizer51SIP:IP is not a valid SIP addr. it's missing any user part22:59
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: I am a bit noob, but what is the url ?22:59
DocScrutinizer51no provider will parse such addr correctly22:59
DocScrutinizer51the right side o @22:59
dangergrrllcuk: a bigger issue is that it doesn't move well22:59
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: are those online contactlists ?23:00
lcukdangergrrl, which?23:00
DocScrutinizer51errr? sorry I don't understand your questions23:00
DocScrutinizer51you ever opened the contacts app on N900?23:00
kpomanyes I did, I have it right now opened :)23:01
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dangergrrlif i call someone while i'm home and leave the house i have to call back from tmobile's network23:02
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: is SIP:xxx the contact name or an additional field ? in that case, which field ? phone number ???23:02
DocScrutinizer51do you see the field with label "SIP"?23:03
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dangergrrlthat's practical for me i don't really need to be on the phone while i'm riding a motorcycle anyhow :)23:03
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: cool first time I see that field :p23:03
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DocScrutinizer51enter a *valid* SIP addr there and you can select videocalls23:04
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: where do I create a valid SIP address ?23:04
DocScrutinizer51to the birthday field of course23:05
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kpomanDocScrutinizer51: I mean I saw the account setup thing. those users are created on an online directory of users ?23:06
kpomanlike it used to be on netmeeting etc.. ?23:06
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DocScrutinizer51the N900 isn't able to hande direct peer2peer SIP23:06
DocScrutinizer51only via provider aka registrar23:06
kpomanit is related to gateway and firewall issues right ?23:07
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DocScrutinizer51for ekiga that's been the ekiga servers - dunno if they still work23:07
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DocScrutinizer51yes, firewalls are a problem for Vo8023:08
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: what is the most common directory of users ? or do I have to install a directory server somewhere ?23:08
DocScrutinizer51check freeworlddialup.com23:08
DocScrutinizer51or or .de23:09
kpomanoh ok I see this page:
DocScrutinizer51or google for sip provider and click the ads23:09
lolcatYou are planing to implement dialup on the N900?23:10
kpomansee my company just bought a tandberg videoconference system, we were able to make videoconf directly by IP. I had to add some rules to the gateway firewall but it worked fine directly by IP. it seems to support h323 and sip which, I guess, are directory services or something similar23:10
kpomanrules for DNAT and port forwarding to the device itself23:11
kpomanok ekiga servers seem to work23:12
DocScrutinizer51kpoman: you can still use this when you register the N900 with  arbitrary provider, then dial SIP:foobar@yoursystemsIP23:13
DocScrutinizer51the provider's server will connect N900 to the system23:15
DocScrutinizer51the data flows directly N900 to system23:15
kpomanok cool23:15
kpomanlet me create an account then for my device23:15
DocScrutinizer51the provider is called proxy in SIP for some reason23:16
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DocScrutinizer51however not all providers allow inbound SIP connections, almost all are phone centric, so frequently user part of your sip addr is some phonenumber23:18
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DocScrutinizer51outbound SIP (from N900 to another SIP addr) should usually work with most providers23:19
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: ok just created the account, let me test it :)23:19
DocScrutinizer51most providers have a test number like 123 or 10000 or whatever, so you can check your config23:20
DocScrutinizer51check your providers's FAQ23:21
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lcuk"Hello blah_isp how can I help you"23:22
lcuk"Hi, I'd like to look at your FAQ"23:22
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kpomanDocScrutinizer51: see, it is making the call, turning on the n900 camera, but when the other peer answers but the phone still thinks not answered23:23
DocScrutinizer51hmm, SIP signalling issue23:23
DocScrutinizer51might be a problem of the provider's proxy23:24
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: something to change in the advanced settings ?23:24
DocScrutinizer51probably not23:24
DocScrutinizer51test normal call first23:25
DocScrutinizer51to provider's test number23:25
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DocScrutinizer51video calls are a bit special23:25
kpomanok, let me see that23:25
DocScrutinizer51providers are 'landline' centric. Landline doesn't know videocalls23:26
DocScrutinizer51so support for SIP to SIP calls is not always optimal, ven more this applies to videocalls23:27
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DocScrutinizer51kpoman: what system you got at your office? Does it support SIP registrar via public IP?23:30
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DocScrutinizer51I guess not if you run it via IP only, without usernames23:31
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DocScrutinizeraah, backscroll. I see - Tandberg23:33
kpomanDocScrutinizer51: it is a tandberg23:33
kpomanlet me see the options23:34
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trumeekpoman: not sure if i have the same issue as you, but sometimes my sip call keeps ringing eventhough the receiver party has picked up the phone23:35
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DocScrutinizerWTF, tandberg requires me to register to watch their marketing blabla23:35
kpomantrumee: yes I am having exactly that issue right now23:36
DocScrutinizeralso "tandberg is now cisco" :-P23:36
kpomantrumee: it keeps ringing however the phone already responded23:36
kpomanI have options for SIP SIP Nat traversal23:36
kpomanbut I guess not linked to my problem23:37
trumeekpoman: yes, that happens to me. My call is usually N900<>asterisk (freepbx)<> remote Linksys spa3102 ATA23:37
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kpomanDocScrutinizer: do you know how to troubleshot this ?23:39
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DocScrutinizerchoose a proper provider. MAke sure you got no firewall/NAT in the way from N900 to internet - if there's a router/NAT, then open ports 5060-5063 and the RTP ports as defined in the provider settings23:40
merlin1991yigal: I just found out there is a working quassel client for maemo
DocScrutinizerand disable any Application Layer Gateway in the router23:41
* trumee is waiting for his openSuSe 11.4 download to finish23:41
DocScrutinizerkpoman: where are you geographically?23:41
DocScrutinizersorry, no idea about any sip provider over there23:42
kpomanDocScrutinizer: I connect via 3g, could connect using the phone 3g from my pc with mobile hotspot23:42
kpomanit worked, so I guess the provider and firewall are ok for the phone23:42
DocScrutinizerwell, a failed 200 OK SIP response inbound on call accept clearly indicates there are issues with NAT23:43
DocScrutinizermost likely with NAT23:44
DocScrutinizervery unlikely with your local setup of N90023:44
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DocScrutinizeryour 3G provider might even block SIP on purpose23:45
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DocScrutinizerthat's outbound when you make a call:
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DocScrutinizernext ³ are the answers you should get23:47
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DocScrutinizer§ even23:50
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DocScrutinizerNB: Important: Customers who sign up with sipgate for geographic phone numbers in the UK, must reside within the UK.23:55
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