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| kwtm | tripzero: Sorry, not sure where to start looking at QMultimedia. Google seems to point in irrelevant directions. Is this part of the Qt library? | 00:00 |
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| alterego | QtMultimedia | 00:00 |
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| alterego | Is what you're looking for | 00:00 |
| tripzero | kwtm, yes. look at the qt docs http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qtmultimedia.html | 00:01 |
| kwtm | Ahh, thanks, alterego ... much easier to find without the misspelling. :P | 00:02 |
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| tripzero | nobody knows how to get the APN information out of maemo? | 00:11 |
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| tripzero | ahh, it's in connection settings | 00:20 |
| kwtm | aargh, eboard is only for Diablo and not Fremantle ... :( | 00:21 |
| tripzero | that's eboring | 00:22 |
| tripzero | borderline eborked | 00:22 |
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| zerojay | MohammadAG: Pong? | 00:35 |
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| kwtm | I like eboard better than xboard, but both seem to be better than the built-in osso-chess. | 00:37 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Wow, thanks for the advice on sox. Now I can play chords instead of just single-frequency tones. I want to use musical notes to have the n900 signal me, e.g. which phone number is calling me. With sox, instead of playing 7 notes to represent the 7 digits of the phone number, I can just play 2 or 3 chords. | 00:39 |
| kwtm | I don't suppose there's a dbus signal for "this is the phone number of the incoming caller"? | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure there is | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-monitor |grep <thenumberyouknowiscalling> | 00:40 |
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| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I was looking more for what number is calling me (including previously unknown phone numbers) and then playing various tones depending on what the number is (e.g. 123 would be do-re-mi etc.). But I didn't know about dbus-monitor, so I'll look into that. | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, I was telling you how to find the exact dbus signal that yields the number | 00:44 |
| kwtm | Hmm, so I guess I can start with your command to see what sort of dbus signal gets sent when someone calls my n900, and then figure out what overall format the signal (or rather the dbus-monitor output) is... | 00:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | exactly, given you know the number of the one calling you while monitoring | 00:45 |
| kwtm | before I crash my n900, please tell me: so, does dbus-monitor reply with text output and then exit, or does it stop and wait until there is a signal, or do I have to do Ctrl-C to stop it? (The last one wouldn't make sense if you're telling me to pipe it through grep.) | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | it prints out text, and exits on ^C | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course ^C works on pipes as well | 00:46 |
| kwtm | Oh, so I can pipe through grep? I didn't know. Is there a "stop monitoring after 10 seconds" thing or do I have to kill it (if I'm using it in a script)? | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | you must lill | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I don't suggest to use that for any real app. that's clearly a debug tool only | 00:48 |
| kwtm | ok. testing now ... hope I'm not the first to discover some bug that requires a reflash or something <rolling eyes> | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | for real apps there are things like dbus scripting pkg | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, I did this several times now, last time maybe 1 week ago | 00:48 |
| kwtm | ohh... what's the best way to have a Python script watch for an incoming phone call and do various stuff (like play notes) based on the signal? | 00:48 |
| kwtm | dbus scripting ... will search for it in maemo pkgs. | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | look at how dbus scripting does it | 00:49 |
| alterego | python-dbus | 00:49 |
| alterego | Quite easy to listeen for ignals | 00:49 |
| alterego | One of my apps uses it I think, for listening to mafw song changes. | 00:49 |
| kwtm | alterego: Thanks for the advice. I do see python-dbus (yea, it's in extras and not just extras-devel!). Where can I find docs for it? Its home seems to be at freedesktop.org but there doesn't seem to be any doc for it. | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh using dbus scripting and sox I guess this can be done in ~30 lines shellscript or 40 lines python | 00:51 |
| alterego | It's pretty simple, let me dig up an example. | 00:52 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I have improved in my (shell) scripting skills too ... so, dbus-scripts will install utilities to let me manipulate dbus? | 00:52 |
| alterego | kwtm: api docs: [Dp | 00:52 |
| alterego | http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/api/ | 00:52 |
| kwtm | alterego: I haven't paid attention to the Python self-doc features ... do I need to just install it and then ... type something in the python interpreter? | 00:52 |
| kwtm | alterego: Ahh, will check that URL | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripting is a ready made daemon whatching for regex patterns on dbus signals and msgs, and executing arbitrary scripts on the particular signal | 00:53 |
| alterego | Yeah, that might be a better idea. | 00:55 |
| alterego | Using python-dbus is really easy though | 00:55 |
| alterego | Just create a Session or System bus: bus = dbus.SystemBus() | 00:56 |
| alterego | Then register a callback for a signal: bus.add_signal_receiver(callback, signal_name, interface, path = path) | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=897443#post897443 | 00:57 |
| alterego | Then enter a main loop, either GMainLoop or the dbus python one | 00:57 |
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| kwtm | wow, I'm going to install both of these --dbus-scripts for ease and dbus-python for power. Now that Nokia is sinking, I'll have to rely on already-existent packages to hack my n900. Fortunately there is such a huge collection of these... | 00:59 |
| kwtm | The dbus-scripts config reminds me of cron, except I guess instead of being triggered by time, it's triggered by events... | 00:59 |
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| alterego | I think that was the point | 01:00 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I'm heading off, ttyl | 01:00 |
| kwtm | ... and finally, to shut up my phone, I can always install some null ringtone, I guess? | 01:00 |
| kwtm | thx for the help, alterego! Bye! | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaah, per-contact ringtomes. See barisione's app doing that, it might be easy to tweak to do your accords for contacts that have no particular ringtone (or a special virtual ringtone) assigned to them | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually barisione put quite some thought into coping with silencing standard ringtone, and especially re-enabling it whenever it's needed | 01:06 |
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| kwtm | I think that one is linked to the n900 addressbook, an item I am trying to distance myself from. I've blanked it out except for 3 or 4 phone numbers (it was choking on the large size of my addressbook before). So I'll want all of the ringtones to be calculated on the spot from the incoming call, rather than pre-specifying ringtones for the few numbers known to the n900 addressbook. | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: "there's an app for that" been invented here, not in Cupertino | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 01:07 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Ohh... ok, I should read his docs, then? | 01:07 |
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| raze | Hi, anyone know a nice way to open up ports? | 01:08 |
| kwtm | Yeah, I posted something similar in the Smartfone Arena championship about how n900 apps are created by typing 2 lines of text (as a script file) instead of having to look through some apps store. | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's another one too: speak caller's number, somewhere on tmo | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34982 | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "say who's calling" | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | raze: C4? | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Semtex? | 01:10 |
| raze | N900? | 01:10 |
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| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Semtex is not available on Fremantle. Must be still in the alpha stage? | 01:10 |
| kwtm | raze: Aren't the ports open by default? | 01:10 |
| raze | kwtm: I doubt all are. | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm shutting my port from outside now | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 01:11 |
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| kwtm | What's the difference between a session bus and system bus (on dbus)? Is the session bus something that I create? Therefore the built-in software on N900 will all run on the system bus? And do I need to specify system bus or will dbus-scripts (and other monitors) just default to "monitor all buses" (if there is such a thing)? | 01:17 |
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| tripzero | kwtm, no | 01:22 |
| tripzero | session bus is per-user | 01:22 |
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| tripzero | system bus is system-wide | 01:22 |
| tripzero | services register on a bus | 01:23 |
| tripzero | if you want to use a service, you need to use the bus it's registered on | 01:23 |
| tripzero | take a look at applications like d-feet or qdbusviewer | 01:23 |
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| tripzero | and you'll get the idea of how it works | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afaik dbus-scripts is monitoring both busses | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I might be wrong though | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's definitely too short a pub visit... bbl | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/'s/'s been/ | 01:51 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: now that's been definitely too short a pub visit... bbl | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | rsp now that's better | 01:56 |
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| zanberdo | this might not be the right channel for this question, but I'm hoping someone has seen this: I have an N900 with T-Mobile as my service provider. I've upgraded the SIM to the uicc model but for some reason the damn network will not provision me with service. Anyone run into this and have any suggestions? | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't even have any F'ing clue what'a uicc model | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | zanberdo: you're inthe US I assume? | 03:43 |
| zanberdo | yes | 03:43 |
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| zanberdo | uicc is just the latest SIM card evidently. I don't know either. I was told my SIM from my old phone might not provision the data plan on the new network and they said 'go get the latest SIM' | 03:44 |
| zanberdo | it's likely not relevant... | 03:44 |
| zanberdo | but in case it was, I wanted to throw it out there | 03:44 |
| zanberdo | I'm getting tired of being told 'we've reprovisioned your account, it could take 2 to 4 hours before you have access' so I wait and when I check it I still get redirected to the damn upsell sight for t-mobile | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 03:45 |
| zanberdo | yeah | 03:45 |
| zanberdo | I've confirmed my network settings are correct | 03:45 |
| zanberdo | with their tech support | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't suppose you've got another phone you could check it with? | 03:45 |
| zanberdo | no, sadly my previous phone was a clam-shell Z80 (or some such)... | 03:46 |
| zanberdo | I'm going to stop in at the T-Mobile store on my way home tonight | 03:46 |
| zanberdo | but I fear I'm going to get there and they won't have a clue what to do | 03:46 |
| Proteous | zanberdo, is it just your data that doesn't work? | 03:46 |
| zanberdo | so I thought I try here first | 03:46 |
| zanberdo | let me try to answer that as best I can | 03:46 |
| zanberdo | I can connect to wifi with no trouble | 03:46 |
| Proteous | can you recieve calls? | 03:46 |
| zanberdo | and I get phone calls and text with no trouble | 03:46 |
| Proteous | okay | 03:46 |
| Proteous | did you try all three APNs for the network? | 03:47 |
| Proteous | <- I have tmobile and a n900 | 03:47 |
| pupnik_ | yaay | 03:47 |
| Proteous | tmobile doesn't know I have a n900 though | 03:47 |
| Proteous | they think I have a dumbphone | 03:47 |
| zanberdo | I can even connect to the t-mobile network for data. it's just that whenever i try to navigate I get redirected to their 'your device doesn't work with this data plan' | 03:47 |
| Proteous | so I pay just $10 for unlimted data | 03:47 |
| Proteous | yeah | 03:48 |
| Proteous | what APN are you using? | 03:48 |
| zanberdo | all three apns? | 03:48 |
| zanberdo | I think I only have the one | 03:48 |
| Proteous | what one is it? | 03:48 |
| zanberdo | epc.tmobile.com | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need an APN, and you maybe want to use a specific DNS, in advanced settings of that packet data connection on N900 | 03:49 |
| zanberdo | no username or password | 03:49 |
| Proteous | try internet2.voicestream.com | 03:49 |
| zanberdo | let me try that. | 03:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs on fourth wold situation regarding GSM/3G in USA | 03:50 | |
| Proteous | heh | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | world* | 03:50 |
| zanberdo | Proteous, should I leave auto-retrieve IP address and DNS or should I specify one as Doc suggests? | 03:50 |
| Proteous | auto | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | try auto first | 03:51 |
| zanberdo | yeah | 03:51 |
| zanberdo | ok, trying now | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you get redirected to <randomshit> then use e.g. 8.8.8.8 | 03:51 |
| zanberdo | YEAH! | 03:51 |
| zanberdo | that did it! | 03:51 |
| Proteous | :) | 03:51 |
| zanberdo | brilliant | 03:51 |
| zanberdo | thank you! | 03:51 |
| Proteous | no problem | 03:51 |
| Proteous | have fun | 03:51 |
| zanberdo | been fighting this for a few days now! hehehe | 03:51 |
| Proteous | tmoble reps are dumb | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you should come here more directly | 03:52 |
| zanberdo | ok, one more question: how can I get ip information from the command line? ipconfig and iwconfig do not work and I can't find a package that includes them. | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | every drone is, not only t-mob | 03:52 |
| zanberdo | DocScrutinizer, you are correct sir! :) | 03:52 |
| Proteous | yeah | 03:52 |
| Proteous | there are aps that will tell you that stuff | 03:52 |
| zanberdo | yeah, i have a widget that gives me that info, but I was hoping there was a cli equivalent to iw/ifconfig | 03:53 |
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| zanberdo | I was going to say it's useful when you've ssh'd to the phone, but of course in order to do that you sort of have to know the IP so I suppose that's not a real good example... :) | 03:53 |
| Proteous | if you use the gainroot app | 03:54 |
| Proteous | you can then use ipconfig | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootsh | 03:54 |
| Proteous | er, ifconfig | 03:54 |
| Proteous | yeah, ifconfig is there you just have to be root to run it | 03:54 |
| zanberdo | yeah, sorry, ifconfig | 03:54 |
| zanberdo | did I say ip? gah... having to work on windows boxes at work... | 03:54 |
| Proteous | yeah | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | iw/ifconfig looks good to me | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | both available on maemo5 | 03:56 |
| zanberdo | ah, I see.. I was calling ifconfig and was getting back '-bash: ifconfig: command not found' but when I run it with sudo it returns what I was seeking. should have tried it with sudo... | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should have tried with `root<enter>` | 03:56 |
| zanberdo | heheh | 03:56 |
| Proteous | time to go home | 03:56 |
| zanberdo | probably | 03:56 |
| zanberdo | aye | 03:56 |
| zanberdo | thanks for the help! | 03:57 |
| zanberdo | cheers | 03:57 |
| Proteous | np, cya | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wish somebody would pay me for that stuff... | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ping | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | FZ: "do they pay you good for that stuff that you do?" devil: "Y'know, I can't complain when the checks come thru" FZ: "but I want my titties and I want my beer, so you barf it back up, devil, do you hear?!" | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! I am fhe Devil, Do you understand? Just what will you give me for your titties and beer? I suppose you noticed this little contract here, . '' | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | <beep><beeeeeeep> | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | "You can't fool me, man . . . you ain't that bad . . . I mean you shoulda seen some of fhe souls I had . . . Why there was Milhous Nixon 'n Agnew too . . . 'n both of fhose suckers was worse 'n you . . "WELL, LET'S MAKE A DEAL IF YOU THINK THAT'S TRUE I MEAN, YOU'RE THE DEVIL SO ... WHATCHA GONNA DO? | 04:07 |
| pupnik_ | hah | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=441-Vnv7cRY | 04:20 |
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| pronto | has anyone been ablt to get either of the cameras to be able to stream via flash(like ustream and such) | 04:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't think flash supports that. | 04:46 |
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| pronto | i know flash itself does, but it looks like the flash the n900 has does not :< | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Exactly. | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Pity. | 04:57 |
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| kpoman | hello all ! guys maybe unrelated to maemo, but is there a smaller image for debian chroot ? something less than that 300MB thing, that btw is ext2 and gets corrupted as soon as I try to update it ? | 05:04 |
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| jamesw | is there any other way to do wifi or bluetooth tethering other than paid apps such as joiku? | 05:57 |
| ds3 | yes, slirp | 05:57 |
| jamesw | thanks ds3, not getting much on google, do you know of some keywords or tutorials? | 05:59 |
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| jamesw | yea, nothing :( | 06:07 |
| ds3 | just slirp | 06:08 |
| ds3 | just have the bluetooth stuff listen for a rfcomm connection and have it spawn slirp instead of the other thing | 06:08 |
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| jamesw | here is a good resource http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ | 06:13 |
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| orangey | Hello all! | 06:14 |
| orangey | I'm helping a friend with android, and it makes me that much more amazed with Maemo | 06:15 |
| orangey | Does android have anything even resembling "Conversations"? | 06:17 |
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| orangey | It's so sad.. I suddenly wished that instead of all the efforts to port android -> N900, people were porting Maemo to these beautiful android phones | 06:18 |
| orangey | How is the N900 better than the HTC Desire Z? Why can't I have maemo on that? | 06:19 |
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| hajmola | anyone get extkbd to work? I can't seem to get any keyboards to work... although I only have 2 | 06:56 |
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| krayon | hajmola: works for me I ... | 07:03 |
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| RST38h | Samsung tries its hand at poaching disgruntled Symbian devs for Bada | 08:39 |
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| RST38h | No wonder... | 08:39 |
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| ruskie | I thought samsung had another more maemo type initiative iirc | 08:40 |
| ruskie | i.e. a full stack from the ground up | 08:40 |
| ruskie | not Bada | 08:41 |
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| budfive | anybody know if ogg files are supposed to work in the stock n900 media player? I recall it working at some point, but it doesn't now | 08:45 |
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| budfive | I think I have extra codecs and whatnot installed | 08:45 |
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| kulve | budfive: no ogg-support out of the box. Installing ogg-support from extras should bring in the ogg support to media player | 08:52 |
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| budfive | kulve: hmmm. Any idea how to debug it? ogg-support is installed, but no ogg files show up | 08:52 |
| kulve | if you have a lot of oggs, it can take a while before they show up | 08:53 |
| slonopotamus | oggs - things from chickon? | 08:55 |
| doc|home | has anyone noticed that when you play the first song (happens on more than one) the media player will stop part way into the song. | 08:55 |
| doc|home | plays through fine if you start it over | 08:55 |
| trumee | is it possible to Hold/Unhold command to Dialer via a script? | 08:55 |
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| trumee | The only way to get a decent sip call is to do the above in dialer, and i would like to map it to the camera key | 08:56 |
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| budfive | kulve: hmm. reinstalling ogg-support made it work.... | 09:00 |
| kulve | well, good that it works now :) | 09:01 |
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| ds3 | ~> | 09:03 |
| infobot | somebody said > was redirection of stdout to a file. | 09:03 |
| ds3 | ~>~. | 09:03 |
| ds3 | blah | 09:03 |
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| yigal | is there an application that can will let me draw/write on pictures taken from my n900's camera? | 09:15 |
| visz | MyPaint | 09:16 |
| visz | allthough it's more of a stylus painting program | 09:17 |
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| visz | with large brush selections | 09:17 |
| yigal | visz: I like MyPaint it's just that it's a bit too resource intensive | 09:17 |
| yigal | visz: sorry I should have said that | 09:17 |
| yigal | visz: great program by the way | 09:17 |
| visz | =) | 09:17 |
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| visz | can you write text with ansel-a? | 09:18 |
| visz | i rather like that program | 09:18 |
| yigal | I haven't tried it yet :) | 09:18 |
| visz | it's a bit like lightroom | 09:19 |
| visz | http://ansela.garage.maemo.org/ | 09:19 |
| yigal | I was checking it out, looks nice | 09:19 |
| yigal | after you dropped the name | 09:19 |
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| yigal | I've decided to install the latest firefox but after that's finished downloading I'll try it out | 09:20 |
| visz | haven't had that installed for a while | 09:20 |
| visz | ansel-a | 09:20 |
| visz | # EXIF-Browser-with-maps | 09:21 |
| yigal | not exactly what I was looking for but well it might be good to have | 09:21 |
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| Zero_Dogg | Hi, is there any alternate locatino to download the latest n810 firmware image? tablets-dev.nokia.com is refusing my n810 WLAN id | 09:27 |
| yigal | visz: I think I'll just stick with MyPaint for the time being | 09:28 |
| flat` | fyuu | 09:28 |
| flat` | kahvi jäöäty | 09:28 |
| visz | right on | 09:28 |
| yigal | visz: thank you | 09:28 |
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| MacMiller | sup | 09:40 |
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| Zero_Dogg | Are there any known /software/ issues with wlan? My N810 locks up and then reboots whenever it scans for networks, so I'm guessing it might be hw | 10:01 |
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| smhar | I am trying to install PyQt 4 Demo but I am getting this error: "Unable to install 'PyQt4 Demo'. Some application packages required for the installation are missing". the details button show the followings: python2.5-qt4-core, python2.5-qt4-xml and python2.5-qt4-gui | 10:16 |
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| smhar | is PyQt4 Demo broken? | 10:47 |
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| timeless_xchat | anyone here familiar w/ apache logging? | 11:02 |
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| RST38h | Moorning, people | 11:08 |
| timeless_xchat | morning | 11:08 |
| merlin_N900 | morning | 11:09 |
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| Khertan | Morning | 11:09 |
| merlin_N900 | morning | 11:09 |
| alterego | RST38h: I never had a reply to that email you sent that guy about his SIP client. | 11:10 |
| alterego | Did you hear anything? | 11:10 |
| smhar | is PyQt4 Demo broken? | 11:13 |
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| nidO | timeless_xchat: whats up? | 11:17 |
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| RST38h | alterego: Eh? | 11:20 |
| RST38h | alterego: Ah that | 11:21 |
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| Khertan | hum ... i ve a software architecture question, the next version of khweeteur will retrieve tweets in background, should i made a daemon running all time, or try to use alarmd. Then how to warn the gui, communicate via dbus, or made my own rpc call ? | 11:21 |
| alterego | :) | 11:21 |
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| Khertan | the problem i see using dbus is that it s not available on win | 11:22 |
| RST38h | alterego: He has been hit by a bus and is currently traveling on its windshield | 11:22 |
| RST38h | alterego: Will probably come back to reality once the bus stops. | 11:22 |
| alterego | Khertan: I'd just have another thred | 11:23 |
| alterego | Khertan: why do you want it as a seperate service? | 11:23 |
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| alterego | Khertan: but if there is a good reason, dbus signals would be cool, as other people can integrate | 11:23 |
| alterego | RST38h: heh, fair enough, I was just wondering because I had some issues with my dns which would have effected my email last week. | 11:24 |
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| Khertan | alterego: ... indeed ... but no real interest in fact :) | 11:38 |
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| pupnik | Mark Pincus has amassed a $US1 billion fortune (Farmville, CityVille, Mafia Wars) | 11:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | wow, nice bit of useless info | 11:43 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan, not RPC -- AT ALL | 11:46 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, you probably meant IPC | 11:47 |
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| pupnik | shows scope of online gaming psycho_oreos | 11:47 |
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| alterego | Khertan: well, if you ever feel the need to write a desktop widget as well ;) | 11:48 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, I'd suggest using DBus. It's relatively well-documented, however, your first assertion is not the right one: you shouldn't use a daemon just to retrieve tweets in the background. That's called a thread. If you include a daemon in Khweeteur, I'm removing it from my N900 ;) | 11:48 |
| psycho_oreos | pupnik, more like how someone made fortune from online gaming, I wonder how relevant is that compared to maemo stuff :p | 11:48 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos, dude, this is #maemo, off-topic is the new on-topic. | 11:49 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, *sigh* | 11:50 |
| RST38h | CONCLUSION: In order for Maemo/Meego to be successful, we need to figure out how to associate it with online gaming | 11:54 |
| RST38h | s/gaming/gambling. | 11:54 |
| alterego | Heh | 11:55 |
| * RST38h guesses pornography wouldn't hurt either | 11:55 | |
| alterego | RST38h: but Nokia already folded :P | 11:55 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: indeed ipc :) | 11:56 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: this is for providing dm and mentions notifications even if khweeteur is close | 11:56 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: but it ll be optionnal of course | 11:57 |
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| RST38h | alterego: Does nto matter, as long as there is gambling and pornography! =) | 11:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | and warez? | 11:59 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: the next version will use qml :) | 11:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | maybe we should start condoning the piracy? | 11:59 |
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| timeless_xchat | nid0: i'll ask after lunch | 12:17 |
| timeless_xchat | i need log files to be owned by a certain group | 12:17 |
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| edheldil | probably nothing new to you, but an interesting read nonetheless: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Nokia-and-open-source-a-trial-by-fire-1194928.html | 12:33 |
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| mazdok | hi there | 13:20 |
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| Lava_Croft | shit article | 13:21 |
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| Lava_Croft | any article about the Nokia/MS deal that talks about Nokia now being just a MS OEM is a shit article | 13:34 |
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| Veggen | Lava_Croft: Det real gripe people have, I guess, is that Nokia keeps so quiet about their official plans, etc. There is no clear roadmap for Meego now, and people are wary about going for it. | 13:39 |
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| Veggen | Personally, if I were a developer, I'd be reluctant to target Meego now, and this will be the demise of Meego unless someone actually says "yes, Meego is a primary platform for us for the immediate and long-term time-frame" | 13:40 |
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| Lava_Croft | i dont see how this is related, unless the relation is being angry and therefore making really dumb remarks, like the writer of that article | 13:41 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 13:41 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont think it's exactly fair to nokia either | 13:42 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: pong - but I'm at #qcon so a little disconnected | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever qcon is | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather it's some happening in HEL, so part of my ping is moot | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least it's no widely popular IRC chan :-P | 14:10 |
| frals | its not in HEL | 14:11 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Sorry, it's a conference in London | 14:11 |
| frals | think its in london? | 14:11 |
| * Jaffa nods. | 14:11 | |
| frals | thought it was quakecon first, was disappointed when it wasnt :< | 14:11 |
| Jaffa | heh | 14:11 |
| frals | ;) | 14:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: how's negotiations with Nokia? | 14:13 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: I (personally) haven't had a chance to touch base with qgil yet this week. Will try to do so today. | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: fine :-) | 14:19 |
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| * DocScrutinizer frowns at his English skills getting worse year by year, rather than better. Wonders what to do to counteract that. For sure IRC isn't the place to practice | 14:28 | |
| KMFDM | DocScrutinizer, if it makes you feel any better, I'm an american expat with the same problem | 14:29 |
| KMFDM | talking with Americans from where I'm from certainly isn't the way to improve it | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice nick, btw | 14:30 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Move to US! | 14:37 |
| RST38h | Doc: Start going to born-again christian conventions! | 14:37 |
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| lardman|gone | can't see moving the the US helping people to speak English ;) | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: ++ | 14:47 |
| E0x | heh DocScrutinizer that pic in you tmo avatar is you ? | 14:47 |
| lardman | My German is pretty poor now as I never get to speak it | 14:47 |
| lardman | in fact it was better at school than when I was at uni, despite doing some of my engineering courses in German | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | arschloch (probably misspelled) is the only word I know :p | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | that pic is one of my avatars. The instance typing this is another one | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: perfect | 14:49 |
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| MohammadAG | Oh and wassar | 14:50 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: heh i was thinking of what badass guy | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, for me at least. Going anal, dome German profs might claim it's a noun an needs capital | 14:50 |
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| MohammadAG | Asshole is a noun that needs captilaism? | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/dom/som/ | 14:50 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: well, for me at least. Going anal, some German profs might claim it's a noun an needs capital | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Assholes need capitalism, yes | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, see what's my initial statement. I just mean upper case first letter | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~x de en Wasser | 14:56 |
| infobot | water | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | capitalization is the word | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~spell captilaism | 14:59 |
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| infobot | possible spellings for captilaism: capitalism capitalist capitalism's capitals capital's capitalize | 14:59 |
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| RST38h | ~spell capsialism | 15:01 |
| infobot | possible spellings for capsialism: capitalism specialism capitalist cannibalism racialism capitalism's capitals socialism capital's capsules capitalize capsulize capsule's | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | she's quite creative :-) | 15:02 |
| _berto_ | ~spell meego | 15:02 |
| infobot | possible spellings for meego: me ego me-ego MEGO Meg meg Margo Meggi merge meek mega Meggy meager merger MEGOs Meggie Mg Moog ergo mg Magi Magoo Megen magi EEG ego Mag MiG mag mug meeker megs Eggo Lego meed meet memo mango Meg's meg's | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | merger, hey | 15:03 |
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| trx | lol | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Magoo always been my fav | 15:03 |
| _berto_ | ~spell elop | 15:03 |
| infobot | possible spellings for elop: elope lop Eloy clop flop glop plop slop | 15:03 |
| _berto_ | flop | 15:04 |
| _berto_ | hmmmm | 15:04 |
| trx | flop haha | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | MrFlop | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought that's been the right spelling from beginning | 15:04 |
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| RST38h | Maeblin sounds better than Magoo | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know those games "take away one match to make this a correct word" | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MeEgo | 15:06 |
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| * SpeedEvil Meows. | 15:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=Mr+Flop | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | moin SpeedEvil | 15:13 |
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| pupnik | the e71 transflective display is fantastically readable in sunlight | 15:28 |
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| range | 7act | 15:29 |
| range | Grr- | 15:29 |
| pupnik | short password | 15:30 |
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| Macer | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/221770/apple_releases_xcode_4_puts_it_for_sale_on_the_app_store.html | 15:35 |
| * Macer facepalms apple | 15:35 | |
| RST38h | Stop facepalming religious icons! | 15:35 |
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| Macer | you know.. you just get to the point where it seems like gas prices are $4/gallon | 15:36 |
| Macer | oh.... wait.... | 15:36 |
| * ruskie notes that gas prices around here have beet 1eur+/L for a while now | 15:36 | |
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| pupnik | yeap | 15:40 |
| * Khertan notes that gas prices around here is near 2eur+/L | 15:40 | |
| pupnik | owwww | 15:40 |
| pupnik | get ready for inflation | 15:41 |
| Khertan | each time gas rise 0.1 ... gov take 0.089 ... so total is 0.189 | 15:42 |
| Khertan | welcome to francre | 15:42 |
| Khertan | france | 15:42 |
| ruskie | well they seem to try and maintain the prices a bit more in check here with their gas tax | 15:43 |
| Dassu | why not buy a electric car? | 15:43 |
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| ruskie | to few charging points? | 15:43 |
| ruskie | not enough range? | 15:43 |
| FauxFaux | too | 15:43 |
| Dassu | eh? | 15:43 |
| Khertan | Dassu: because i need a range larger than 50km | 15:43 |
| Dassu | perheps there are ele cars with range more than 50km | 15:44 |
| FauxFaux | Why not move to a city with petroleum powered transport network and get all your stuff delivered by petroleum powered couriers? Oh, wait. /o\ | 15:44 |
| Dassu | dunno,@I have never driven a car | 15:44 |
| ruskie | for my daily trip I'd need 12km range... each day and that's just home->work->home | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Do not drive, walk | 15:44 |
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| Khertan | French Car constructor here just change the gas motor by an electric one without thinking more ... | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Do not fly either | 15:44 |
| FauxFaux | 12km is within cycling distance. | 15:44 |
| ruskie | and I don't want to charge it every day | 15:44 |
| Khertan | RST38h: i take the train ... but the train here use also gaz :) | 15:44 |
| ruskie | FauxFaux, 6km one way | 15:44 |
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| * RST38h does not understand why people need to drive or fly huge distances. Raise the fuel prices, pin them to their current locations, it is safer this way | 15:45 | |
| FauxFaux | That's, like, 20, 25 minutes. | 15:45 |
| ruskie | FauxFaux, and no... I'm tired of cycling in wind, rain, snow, | 15:45 |
| * pupnik notes that cycling is fun and refreshing | 15:45 | |
| RST38h | Will save you on security measures at the airports, too | 15:45 |
| FauxFaux | RST38h: Good thing tourism isn't the only interest in many places. | 15:45 |
| ruskie | I used to cycle each day to work and back | 15:45 |
| FauxFaux | *industry | 15:45 |
| Khertan | RST38h: give me a telecommute work ! :) | 15:45 |
| ruskie | always ~6km | 15:45 |
| ruskie | one way | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Faux: there is also alcoholism, indeed | 15:45 |
| ruskie | takes me like 15-20 min | 15:45 |
| ruskie | BUT | 15:45 |
| ruskie | I had to replace my tires every 6 months | 15:45 |
| ruskie | replace the inflation tubes every two weeks | 15:46 |
| * pupnik biked year round in minnesota | 15:46 | |
| ruskie | because nobody cleans the bike routes... | 15:46 |
| ruskie | so they are full of glass and other crap | 15:46 |
| ruskie | and then there's the nice people that will stab the tire... | 15:46 |
| Khertan | the only appealing electric car i know is : http://www.teslamotors.com/models | 15:46 |
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| pupnik | ruskie i hate those people | 15:46 |
| RST38h | And how do you charge it? | 15:46 |
| RST38h | And, btw, how much pollutants did it take to build the battery? | 15:46 |
| Khertan | ruskie: do not complain you have bike route ... there isn't were i live :) | 15:47 |
| ruskie | Khertan, only part of the way | 15:47 |
| Khertan | 480Km range | 15:47 |
| ruskie | part of the way is on a rather dangerous part of the road | 15:47 |
| ruskie | ow... and when there is snow... I might get to work in the morning | 15:47 |
| ruskie | but getting home will become impossible | 15:47 |
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| ruskie | because all the snow ploughs will dump all the excess snow ON the bike paths... | 15:47 |
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| ruskie | and it's not like I have a city/trekking/road bike... | 15:49 |
| ruskie | no I drive around on a mountain bike | 15:49 |
| ruskie | have rather chunky tires... and even that doesn't really help | 15:49 |
| ruskie | and of course there's the constant issue of drivers actually NOT respecting right of way for bikes... so a crash is always an option | 15:50 |
| ruskie | and carrying around quite a few tools to be able to always fix a flat is not fun as well | 15:50 |
| ruskie | I might try to bike to work during the summer though... | 15:51 |
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| ruskie | but depends on the weather | 15:51 |
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| ruskie | note to self: go buy yourself a bigger bik seat before actually trying to bike again... | 15:52 |
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| andre__ | ~seen javispedro | 15:52 |
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| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 14h 15m 8s ago, saying: 'call the fire brigade'. | 15:52 |
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| FIQ|n900 | d # backspace backspace # | 15:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | awesome way to do hold=another char | 15:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | whatever | 15:55 |
| * FIQ|n900 prefers keyboard repeat | 15:55 | |
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| pupnik | e71 screen is more readable in sun than n900 | 16:00 |
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| dashavoo | pupnik: but N900 screen is still more readable than most android phones I have seen =D | 16:10 |
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| dashavoo | After updating to PR1.3, did anyone find their network connection (mobile) became less reliable? | 16:17 |
| haj | nu med sidevognsbevis! :) | 16:17 |
| haj | sorry.. wrong chan | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | dashavoo: no | 16:17 |
| dashavoo | SpeedEvil: shame... there must be more wrong with my phone than just the broken screen and loose USB :( | 16:17 |
| dashavoo | and impossible lock code ;) | 16:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | dashavoo: where are you? | 16:21 |
| dashavoo | SpeedEvil: UK | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | dashavoo: Yiouhave a 2 year warranty | 16:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Not forthebroken screen though | 16:22 |
| dashavoo | SpeedEvil: yes, but the broken screen isn't covered by that | 16:22 |
| dashavoo | yeah | 16:22 |
| dashavoo | I'm trying to sort that out with insurance company | 16:22 |
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| FIQ|n900 | lol... | 16:24 |
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| FIQ|n900 | As i don't have access to my desktop, i changed mouse settings (so i have the new active when i login locally next time) | 16:24 |
| FIQ|n900 | Also, lxappearance wanted to change my mouse on my _current_ X session :P | 16:25 |
| FIQ|n900 | so i got a mouse in Maemo randomly | 16:25 |
| lcuk | must have been a small mouse to fit inside the n900 | 16:25 |
| FIQ|n900 | Ofc it will disappear on reboot, as the settings was made only remotely - it just wanted to change it seamless but did it on wrong session | 16:26 |
| FIQ|n900 | er | 16:26 |
| FIQ|n900 | cursor* | 16:26 |
| FIQ|n900 | happy now? :p | 16:26 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:26 |
| FIQ|n900 | so now i have a blue mouse inside X-chat :D | 16:27 |
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| deno | hi there | 16:27 |
| dashavoo | Hi deno | 16:27 |
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| deno | do you know how could it be possible that after uninstalling a library, modifiying it and reinstalling it,the program uses the old lib? | 16:28 |
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| dashavoo | deno: it depends on how it was compiled | 16:31 |
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| deno | dashavoo, what do you mean? | 16:32 |
| deno | it was compiled well | 16:32 |
| deno | in scratchbox it works | 16:32 |
| deno | transfering it on the phone doesn't | 16:32 |
| dashavoo | deno, static vs dynamic linking | 16:33 |
| dashavoo | sorry, I was going to go into more detail, but people in the office have noticed I'm not working ;) | 16:34 |
| dashavoo | ciao | 16:34 |
| deno | see you | 16:34 |
| deno | ciao :P | 16:34 |
| deno | thx anyway | 16:34 |
| FIQ|n900 | huh | 16:35 |
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| FIQ|n900 | In my settings, i have a menu item, "Remove operator lock" | 16:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | Why do i have it? | 16:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | I didn't have it before reflash | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | are you sure? | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually you *might* have found sth. Maybe that's one of the nowhere documented little differences between the different local version of firmware image | 16:46 |
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| LjL | any idea why N810 gives "Not enough memory in target location" when trying to save stuff (.debs so far) into the memory cards from MicroB? it waits a while, then it says that. "df" also takes a while before showing /media/mmc1. fsck.vfat shows no problems. i'm running the community SSU | 16:51 |
| merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping | 16:52 |
| Jaffa | LjL: I had that when $MYDOCSDIR was changed. | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | merlin1991: pong | 16:53 |
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| LjL | Jaffa: it is currently /home/user/MyDocs... | 16:53 |
| merlin1991 | Jaffa meant you handle the #maemo cloaks? | 16:53 |
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| X-Fade | merlin1991: On a good day, yes. | 16:54 |
| merlin1991 | today is a bad day? | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 16:54 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: 5here was a discussion about having some CSSU cloaks | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you're both online, the day might be rather good | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Can I deputize you to create a list? :) | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /stats p :-/ | 16:56 |
| * X-Fade hands out a nice badge to Jaffa | 16:56 | |
| Jaffa | Ta. :) | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this list afaik needs account details for each user applying for a cloak | 16:58 |
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| * DocScrutinizer just wonders why CSSU needs own cloaks. Not that it matters... | 17:00 | |
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| baryud | Cloak ? | 17:07 |
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| kerio | can i get a CSSU cloak? | 17:14 |
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| dashavoo | what is a cloak? Sorry if it is a really obvious question. | 17:19 |
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| kerio | dashavoo: /whois kerio | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | See rm_work entering the room | 17:20 |
| kerio | the thing that's there instead of my hostname is a cloak | 17:20 |
| rm_work | indeed | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | It said '(03:19:52 PM) rm_work [~rm_you@216-188-248-24.dyn.grandenetworks.net] entered the room.' | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (03:14:04 PM) TomaszD [~tom@Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD] entered the room. | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | compare with | 17:20 |
| rm_work | yeah how come I don't have a hostmask :P | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I can tell that rm_you is on (03:14:04 PM) TomaszD [~tom@Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD] entered the room. | 17:20 |
| dashavoo | kerio: aaah right | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | And run nmap/... against him | 17:20 |
| dashavoo | I always knew it as a host alias | 17:21 |
| kerio | i bet TomaszD is using ipv9 | 17:21 |
| TomaszD | ipv9 is old news | 17:21 |
| TomaszD | I run on ipv12 | 17:21 |
| kerio | ooh that's how you get that fancy hostname | 17:21 |
| TomaszD | yup | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting ports on 216-188-248-24.dyn.grandenetworks.net (216.188.248.24): | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Not shown: 989 closed ports ... | 17:21 |
| TomaszD | I'd better have a hostmask with all these hackers around here | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, it adds some security | 17:22 |
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| kerio | ping: cannot resolve Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD: Unknown host ;_; | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-03-10 16:07:56] <DocScrutinizer> re <Jaffa> Anyone who wants a CSSU cloak, email me ---- please include a complete copy of /msg nickserv info <your_user_name> as that's the info needed for issuing a cloak --- see related IRC channel | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: fool, that's the whole purpose of a cloak - as the name implies | 17:24 |
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| rm_work | :P | 17:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: *wooooooooooooooosh* | 17:24 |
| Khertan | it s funny ... starting WireShark make my n900 reboot when connected to usb | 17:26 |
| Khertan | ... | 17:26 |
| Khertan | ... | 17:26 |
| Khertan | ... | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 17:26 |
| rm_work | lol | 17:26 |
| rm_work | am i going to have to rework my network security at home? :P | 17:26 |
| rm_work | SpeedEvil: how many open ports did you see thar? | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | a full nmap can't complete in such short time | 17:28 |
| Khertan | i ve rework mine this morning ... forgot the -r on shutdown ... | 17:28 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, AFAICT, none of the nominations for the Council have been accepted yet, have they? | 17:29 |
| Khertan | 80/22/21/8080/443/389/3128 | 17:29 |
| Khertan | rm_work: you have many service running :) | 17:29 |
| rm_work | Yeah, 80/22/21/8080/443 sound right | 17:30 |
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| rm_work | 389 and 3128 i'll have to check | 17:30 |
| Khertan | oups ... i whois you rm_work nickname | 17:30 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: you know there's public services for that | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (portscan) | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [Notice] -NickServ- Email : noemail | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt this will fly for a cloak | 17:33 |
| rm_work | lol | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's [Notice] -NickServ- Flags : HideMail | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NB you need to properly config your IRC client to authenticate to nickserv *prior* to entering any channel/room, otherwise such a cloak is nonsense and doesn't help | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the recommended method for freenode is to use <username>:<password> as the server password which virtually all clients can transmit when logging in to a IRC server | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | rm_work: 11 | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:43 |
| Venemo | hi all | 17:43 |
| rm_work | SpeedEvil: cool. don't hack me or i'll be sad :P | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 17:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | I only hack people to make them happy, so OK. | 17:45 |
| rm_work | lolol | 17:45 |
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| chadi | any hint on how it is possible to remove the "You: " in the conversations js/html/css ? | 17:45 |
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| ale152 | hello! | 17:48 |
| ale152 | i'm trying to install xfoil, an engineering software, on n900 | 17:49 |
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| ale152 | for now, i'm just trying with the readme file, included in the package | 17:49 |
| ale152 | now it ask me a Fortran compiler on your system | 17:49 |
| ale152 | *on my system | 17:50 |
| ale152 | where can i find, a fortran compiler? | 17:50 |
| RST38h | f77 | 17:51 |
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| ale152 | apt-get install f77? | 17:53 |
| ale152 | couldn't find :( | 17:53 |
| crashanddie | OH NO THEY DIDN'T http://www.peugeot.com/en/innovation/engines/hdi-fap-engines.aspx | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | "The FAP engine, a technical standard The HDi FAP engine provides the driver with many advantages" | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Well, is that worse than fapman? :) | 17:55 |
| ale152 | RST38h, it can't install some dependencies | 17:55 |
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| crashanddie | "FAP: How does it work? This first phase involves catching the soot particles in a porous, silicon carbide filter." | 17:55 |
| ale152 | f2c and cpp | 17:55 |
| ale152 | it says is not installable | 17:55 |
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| ale152 | each lib i try to install, it depends to another lib, i can't install | 17:57 |
| ale152 | how can i install fort77? | 17:58 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: what the problem with fap ? | 17:58 |
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| crashanddie | "to fap" == "se branler" | 17:58 |
| Khertan | ... ... | 17:58 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:58 |
| dashavoo | haha, look up from my work and that is what I see | 17:59 |
| Khertan | seat start with the Seat Leon Fap | 17:59 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: but something i notice recently is that high compression turbo is authorized in France now | 18:01 |
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| pupnik_ | yes dashavoo when i compare usability of screeen plus kbd, n900 is much better.. but e71 has twice thw battery life andd half the size | 18:48 |
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| pupnik_ | just an amazing device for the money (used) | 18:49 |
| Lava_Croft | except its an e71 | 18:49 |
| pupnik_ | well im chatting with it now | 18:50 |
| Lava_Croft | great | 18:50 |
| pupnik_ | sure it limited | 18:50 |
| Lava_Croft | which is why its battery lasts so long | 18:50 |
| pupnik_ | yep | 18:50 |
| Lava_Croft | cant really compare the two at all | 18:50 |
| Lava_Croft | i think e71 is a whole lot cheaper too | 18:51 |
| Lava_Croft | but you are right, cheap nokia phones are value for money | 18:51 |
| pupnik_ | oh thats why i have both now | 18:51 |
| Lava_Croft | im not going to carry around two devices | 18:51 |
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| alturiak | has anyone succeeded in installing firefox 4 on the n900? it keeps trying to download version 1.1 from the Ovi-Repository for me | 20:00 |
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| alturiak | aha, mozilla somehow screwed up the repository, it seems... well, manual install it is then | 20:06 |
| Proteous | heh | 20:07 |
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| Lava_Croft | alturiak: you mean firefox mobile? | 20:12 |
| Lava_Croft | or the real firefox 4 | 20:13 |
| alturiak | mobile | 20:13 |
| Lava_Croft | running latest beta here | 20:13 |
| alturiak | http://firefox.com/m <- that one | 20:13 |
| Lava_Croft | works fine, nightlies too | 20:13 |
| Lava_Croft | which version do you want | 20:13 |
| Lava_Croft | 1.1 is latest | 20:13 |
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| alturiak | well, the repository they have suggest they have 4.0beta5 available for maemo | 20:14 |
| Lava_Croft | eh | 20:14 |
| Lava_Croft | thats desktop firefox | 20:14 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol | 20:14 |
| Lava_Croft | works fine here, using the link from the website you just linked | 20:14 |
| Lava_Croft | im using it too | 20:14 |
| alturiak | because it downloads 1.1 from Ovi rather than the one the repository should have but doesn't | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/repos/1.9.2_en-US/1.9.2_en-US_nightly.install | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | thats the nightly | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | disable the ovi repo | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | in app manager | 20:15 |
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| alturiak | http://moff.mozilla.com/latest-beta/maemo/multi/dists/fremantle/release/binary-armel/ | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | you dont need ovi for anything anyhow | 20:15 |
| alturiak | doesn't sound very desktop to me :) | 20:16 |
| Lava_Croft | i think you are using the wrong repo maybe | 20:16 |
| alturiak | well, it's the one linked on firefox.com/m | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 20:16 |
| Lava_Croft | im using that one | 20:16 |
| alturiak | granted it's not working, but still... :) | 20:16 |
| Lava_Croft | via that website | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Bug? Share a photo, and it doesn't prompt you to come out of offline mode? | 20:16 |
| alturiak | will try yours since my repo complete locks up my phone when starting firefox :) | 20:17 |
| Lava_Croft | that is a nightly build, alturiak | 20:17 |
| Lava_Croft | making a pic of my ff repo in ham atm | 20:17 |
| alturiak | but still, it's the one they link, so they probably should fix it *g* | 20:17 |
| Lava_Croft | just need slow ham to hurry up | 20:17 |
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| alturiak | disabling ovi doesn't help, btw. the repo I linked seems empty to maemo, so it just says it can't find any fennec package :) | 20:19 |
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| Lava_Croft | odd | 20:20 |
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| yigal | hello | 20:24 |
| yigal | yay irssi reconnected me to freenode | 20:24 |
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| pcfe | irssi on N900 rocks indeed. | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | there should be an adapted quassel client for the n900, that would be awesome | 20:28 |
| Lava_Croft | irssi + screen + ssh | 20:29 |
| yigal | Lava_Croft: oh ya | 20:30 |
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| yigal | merlin1991: hmm just googled quassel seems good | 20:31 |
| alturiak | gm.. for some reason, my n900 won't find a firefox in the nightly repo either... | 20:31 |
| Lava_Croft | alturiak: :O | 20:32 |
| Lava_Croft | alturiak: using HAM? | 20:32 |
| alturiak | apt-cache, HAM, fapman... | 20:32 |
| alturiak | neither works | 20:32 |
| Lava_Croft | bleh | 20:32 |
| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/03/ink-truck-engtop.jpg | 20:33 |
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| alturiak | ah wait, apt-cache shows a 1.1~b2~20110305010704, sounds right to me | 20:34 |
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| yigal | has anyone here used usb host mode to connect to a printer and print? | 20:37 |
| lcuk | RST38h, :O | 20:37 |
| lcuk | are you reddy? | 20:37 |
| lcuk | and don't be blue: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/MetroPhotos03/11/ink_truck_crash_030911.jpg | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | a high res version lol | 20:37 |
| yigal | that's a beautiful shot | 20:38 |
| lcuk | the driver was not injured! | 20:39 |
| yigal | someone's not getting their package though | 20:39 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:39 |
| lcuk | I wonder if they cleaned up by numbers | 20:39 |
| yigal | lol | 20:39 |
| yigal | glad the driver wasn't hurt though | 20:40 |
| lcuk | tfa: http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/peabody/2011/03/inky_crash_may_shut_down_ramp_1.html | 20:40 |
| lcuk | yeah yigal from the pictures it looks like it | 20:40 |
| naemo | trx: any news? | 20:40 |
| naemo | trx: I have an idea | 20:40 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: whole thing looks extremely gay =) | 20:42 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, perhaps | 20:44 |
| yigal | RST38h: the colors you mean? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | orwe now know Jackson Pollock became a truck driver. | 20:44 |
| yigal | lol | 20:44 |
| RST38h | yigal: yeah | 20:44 |
| lcuk | "Red, blue, and yellow ink cartridges were inside the truck, but Ferson said there is no evidence the yellow ink was released. " | 20:44 |
| lcuk | damn, no yellow ink | 20:44 |
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| RST38h | a pity, yes | 20:44 |
| lcuk | they could have considered it a green cleanup operation | 20:44 |
| yigal | it would have just been green washed though | 20:45 |
| RST38h | red+blue gives you magenta, the color of insanity | 20:45 |
| yigal | not a real environmental job | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | its ok yigal the road was closed for so long until the tipex wagon arrived. | 20:45 |
| yigal | lol | 20:46 |
| alturiak | "E: Handler silently failed" *sighs* :) | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG | apt-getting something from user/hidden does that | 20:47 |
| alturiak | I see | 20:47 |
| alturiak | there's a higher version in user/network, though... | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | you can compile apt with --disable-hide or something (can't remember atm) | 20:49 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if he should put that on the CSSU | 20:50 | |
| alturiak | meh... it also fails if I explicitly select the version from user/network to be installed | 20:50 |
| alturiak | I think this is the least convenient error message I've seen ;-) | 20:51 |
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| MohammadAG | alturiak, dpkg -i this http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13.1_0m5latest_armel.deb | 20:52 |
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| alturiak | MohammadAG: eek, it's working | 20:57 |
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| alturiak | thanks | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | yw :) | 20:58 |
| mece | }o | 20:59 |
| mece | wtf? | 20:59 |
| mece | \o Is what I mean | 20:59 |
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| alturiak | Lava_Croft: hm, that's still firefox 3.6.16, though... but unless mozilla comes up with a working version of 4.0, that's probably the best you can get right now :) | 21:02 |
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| alturiak | still a little annoying when they promote the mobile version of 4.0 on every download-page of the desktop 4.0 :) | 21:05 |
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| Lava_Croft | alturiak: that is firefox mobile | 21:06 |
| Lava_Croft | alturiak: there is also a Qt build somewhere in the repo | 21:06 |
| Lava_Croft | but its even worse | 21:06 |
| Lava_Croft | alturiak: you are not missing out on anything tho | 21:06 |
| Lava_Croft | ff mobile is a joke compared to good old microb | 21:06 |
| alturiak | well, I don't really care if it's called fennec or firefox, it says it's available for maemo and they provide a) a broken repository and b) a broken package :) | 21:07 |
| Lava_Croft | but its not broken | 21:07 |
| Lava_Croft | since it worked fine for me | 21:07 |
| Lava_Croft | via the website | 21:07 |
| alturiak | I tried to install the deb, it doesn't even load properly... but maybe that really is my fault somehow :) | 21:07 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 21:08 |
| Lava_Croft | both the beta and the nightlies work fine for me | 21:08 |
| Lava_Croft | via their respective .install files | 21:08 |
| alturiak | we're talking about the link "for Maemo - free - " on firefox.com/m, yes? | 21:08 |
| Lava_Croft | yes, there is only one firefox for maemo | 21:08 |
| Lava_Croft | at least official | 21:08 |
| alturiak | hm... well. no idea then. I like having firefox around for the sync | 21:09 |
| alturiak | and it's gotten a lot better compared to the first release :) | 21:09 |
| Lava_Croft | well, its a bit slow to load up at first and it doesnt do flash | 21:09 |
| Lava_Croft | that is for sure | 21:09 |
| Lava_Croft | at least its usable now | 21:09 |
| Lava_Croft | first releases were so bad | 21:09 |
| alturiak | yeah :) | 21:09 |
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| alturiak | I use opera mini for almost everything, but when I need synced data, I switch to firefox | 21:10 |
| Lava_Croft | still dont think its a good thing they use the same codebase for desktop and mobile versions | 21:10 |
| Lava_Croft | its so big | 21:10 |
| Lava_Croft | i use microb exclusively | 21:10 |
| Lava_Croft | opera should update their maemo build | 21:10 |
| alturiak | I use microb for flash... only ;-) | 21:10 |
| alturiak | anyway, gotta go. thanks for your advice and insights :) | 21:11 |
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| Lava_Croft | goodnight | 21:13 |
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| Lava_Croft | alturiak: by the way | 21:14 |
| Lava_Croft | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/repos/trunk_en-US/ | 21:14 |
| Lava_Croft | thats the qt thing | 21:14 |
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| eichi | for the n900 hardware keyboard. do you write with fingernails or with the fingertip? I think, fingernail is more easy, but now i see, it demages the black colour on the keys | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | type* | 21:33 |
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| FauxFaux | How long are your thumbnails? :s I have to get into a horribly uncomfortable position to even try thumbnails. | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | eichi: I type with my thumb-fronts | 21:34 |
| merlin1991 | I use the fingertip, but backspace return and fn keys have lost like 50% of the black colour already :) | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | why would you use tip or nail? | 21:34 |
| eichi | luke-jr what else? | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | front | 21:35 |
| eichi | luke-jr what is "thumb-fronts" ? | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | center of your fingerprint | 21:35 |
| eichi | yeah okay. somethimes i try this, but its not as easy to aim every key :P | 21:36 |
| eichi | with this, i make the most misstakes | 21:36 |
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| lolcat | I am going to take legal actions against the shop who sold me the N900! | 21:41 |
| eichi | lolcat: why? | 21:42 |
| rm_work | lolcat: lolwhy | 21:42 |
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| lolcat | They gave me a Nokia 1208 to borrow while they fix the usb port on the N900. | 21:42 |
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| rm_work | lol? | 21:42 |
| rm_work | and? | 21:43 |
| lolcat | It will take 4-5 months. But I will win! | 21:43 |
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| rm_work | is there a joke here i'm missing? :/ | 21:43 |
| lolcat | My problem is, will they still sell N900'eds in 5 months? | 21:43 |
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| rm_work | dunno | 21:44 |
| rm_work | maybe | 21:44 |
| tripz0 | another usb-port bites the dust | 21:44 |
| eichi | lolcat: what is "eds" ? | 21:45 |
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| yigal | has anyone tried or been succesful at printing as server to a usb connected printer? | 21:48 |
| yigal | anyone here, let me clarify | 21:48 |
| lolcat | N900, will it be in shops in 5 months? | 21:48 |
| yigal | on n900 | 21:48 |
| lolcat | Or will they have N950? Will they be usable? | 21:48 |
| yigal | n950 anyone's guess, right? | 21:48 |
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| lolcat | Probably | 21:49 |
| lolcat | This sucks... I have to win this case and get my money back | 21:50 |
| kerio | haha, you won't get your money back | 21:50 |
| kerio | i mean, from the store maybe | 21:50 |
| lolcat | I will | 21:50 |
| yigal | lolcat: you are representing yourself | 21:50 |
| kerio | but i suspect you're going to lose more to the layer | 21:50 |
| kerio | *lawyer | 21:50 |
| yigal | ? | 21:50 |
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| yigal | friend or pro bono? | 21:51 |
| lolcat | I have a legal rigth to have a phone with similar functions while they are repairing me. If they cause me a 'significant inconcinivence' I have a rigth for a refund. | 21:51 |
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| yigal | I'm not saying that you don't in theory | 21:51 |
| kerio | similar functions = makes phone calls | 21:51 |
| yigal | but who will defend your case in court? | 21:52 |
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| lolcat | kerio: No, it is a previous case where a guy got a Nokia 1100 while they where fixing his N97. He won in the court for consumer cases (hard to translate). | 21:53 |
| yigal | lolcat: which country do you live in? | 21:53 |
| lolcat | yigal: It won't go to a real court, and it is a consumer organisation who will help me out with that. | 21:53 |
| yigal | lolcat: good to hear | 21:53 |
| lolcat | yigal: Norway, or consumer rigths are crazy. | 21:53 |
| yigal | lolcat: sorry to hear | 21:53 |
| lolcat | They are good | 21:53 |
| lolcat | But nobody follows them | 21:54 |
| lolcat | 5 years warranty by law on most electronics | 21:54 |
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| yigal | lolcat: that sounds very reasonable | 21:57 |
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| RST38h | Ah, another stock market crash | 22:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | lolcat: small claims court? | 22:11 |
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| lolcat | SpeedEvil: No, it is only for consumer cases | 22:28 |
| lolcat | They can judge like a court, but they are not. They can force the retailer to comply with their decicion | 22:28 |
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| lolcat | But now, 9PM I got a text from someone in said shop, telling me I could get a bether phone to borrow. So now I have wrtitten down my five favorite functions of my phone and is going to demad to get it tomorrow. | 22:29 |
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| kpoman | hello ! | 22:33 |
| kpoman | do someone know how to use h323 and SIP with n900 ? | 22:34 |
| kpoman | there was ekiga in the past. is it available somewhere ? how to do videoconferencing with it ? | 22:35 |
| kpoman | help ! thanks :p | 22:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | lolcat: Ah | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: I created a SIP account, and selected videocall-SIP from contacts | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas I had no real video enabled peer to call | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the video codec actually used in SIP gets negotiated between the two clients during SDP, there's no real sense n defining it a priori as h.323 | 22:44 |
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| lolcat | SpeedEvil: It is a bit boring if they are nice now, I want to own them and rant about them in the press | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: of course SIP-videocalls are available only for true SIP "numbers" | 22:50 |
| kwtm | lolcat: Let's hear the Fave Five! (Tmobile USA uses that term to market the fact that you can set up 5 favourite phone numbers to call for free.) | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | add something like SIP:56545689@provider.com to a contact and you can choose from SIP-chat SIP-call and SIP-videocall | 22:52 |
| kwtm | My Fave Five would include vim, bash, dbus ... I don't know which other two to pick. Ssh maybe.... | 22:52 |
| dangergrrl | actually they dropped my fave five | 22:53 |
| kwtm | dangergrrl: ?? Did they accidentally delete your Fave Five record, or do you mean they don't offer that Fave Five feature any more? | 22:53 |
| dangergrrl | they don't offer it anymore | 22:54 |
| dangergrrl | only under old contracts | 22:54 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: where do I find that application ? | 22:54 |
| lolcat | A internet browser, keyboard, wlan, option to install third party software, gps (not agps since it sucks in the forest), and a camera. | 22:54 |
| lolcat | It is quite modest | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | errr which application? | 22:54 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: I mean can I call an IP with SIP ? | 22:55 |
| lolcat | But with those, I can actually get some work done | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, what now? | 22:55 |
| dangergrrl | i'm wanting to get voip working this month i get unlimited data :) | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as said above | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | add something like SIP:56545689@provider.com to a contact and you can choose from SIP-chat SIP-call and SIP-videocall | 22:55 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: I mean right now I am testing ekiga, both on linux and windows, putting sip:some.ip.add.ress ... is there an ekiga or something similar for n900 ? | 22:56 |
| kwtm | speaking of browser ... is there a text-mode browser for maemo? Like links2 or elinks or lynx or something? | 22:56 |
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| kwtm | dangergrrl: Is it practical? My wife uses Skype but sometimes the connection is iffy. | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope, that's not a valid sip addr | 22:56 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: it works with IP too, it opens port 5060 and I am able to call that machine | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a valid sip addr is like I wrote 2 times now | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SIP:user@URL/IP | 22:57 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: at least on ekiga I am able to without users | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then ekiga is fsckdup | 22:57 |
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| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: let me see ... | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SIP:IP is not a valid SIP addr. it's missing any user part | 22:59 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: I am a bit noob, but what is the url ? | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no provider will parse such addr correctly | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the right side o @ | 22:59 |
| dangergrrl | lcuk: a bigger issue is that it doesn't move well | 22:59 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: are those online contactlists ? | 23:00 |
| lcuk | dangergrrl, which? | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | errr? sorry I don't understand your questions | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you ever opened the contacts app on N900? | 23:00 |
| dangergrrl | voip | 23:01 |
| kpoman | yes I did, I have it right now opened :) | 23:01 |
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| dangergrrl | if i call someone while i'm home and leave the house i have to call back from tmobile's network | 23:02 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: is SIP:xxx the contact name or an additional field ? in that case, which field ? phone number ??? | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | do you see the field with label "SIP"? | 23:03 |
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| dangergrrl | that's practical for me i don't really need to be on the phone while i'm riding a motorcycle anyhow :) | 23:03 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: cool first time I see that field :p | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OMG | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | enter a *valid* SIP addr there and you can select videocalls | 23:04 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: where do I create a valid SIP address ? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | to the birthday field of course | 23:05 |
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| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: I mean I saw the account setup thing. those users are created on an online directory of users ? | 23:06 |
| kpoman | like it used to be on netmeeting etc.. ? | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the N900 isn't able to hande direct peer2peer SIP | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | only via provider aka registrar | 23:06 |
| kpoman | it is related to gateway and firewall issues right ? | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | for ekiga that's been the ekiga servers - dunno if they still work | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, firewalls are a problem for Vo80 | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | VoIP | 23:08 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: what is the most common directory of users ? or do I have to install a directory server somewhere ? | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check freeworlddialup.com | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or sipgate.co.uk or .de | 23:09 |
| kpoman | oh ok I see this page: http://www.onsip.com/onsip-articles/what-is-my-sip-address | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or google for sip provider and click the ads | 23:09 |
| lolcat | You are planing to implement dialup on the N900? | 23:10 |
| kpoman | see my company just bought a tandberg videoconference system, we were able to make videoconf directly by IP. I had to add some rules to the gateway firewall but it worked fine directly by IP. it seems to support h323 and sip which, I guess, are directory services or something similar | 23:10 |
| kpoman | rules for DNAT and port forwarding to the device itself | 23:11 |
| kpoman | ok ekiga servers seem to work | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: you can still use this when you register the N900 with arbitrary provider, then dial SIP:foobar@yoursystemsIP | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the provider's server will connect N900 to the system | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the data flows directly N900 to system | 23:15 |
| kpoman | ok cool | 23:15 |
| kpoman | let me create an account then for my device | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the provider is called proxy in SIP for some reason | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | however not all providers allow inbound SIP connections, almost all are phone centric, so frequently user part of your sip addr is some phonenumber | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | outbound SIP (from N900 to another SIP addr) should usually work with most providers | 23:19 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: ok just created the account, let me test it :) | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | most providers have a test number like 123 or 10000 or whatever, so you can check your config | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check your providers's FAQ | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | "Hello blah_isp how can I help you" | 23:22 |
| lcuk | "Hi, I'd like to look at your FAQ" | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | "Excuse me sir, I am not fat" | 23:22 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: see, it is making the call, turning on the n900 camera, but when the other peer answers but the phone still thinks not answered | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, SIP signalling issue | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | might be a problem of the provider's proxy | 23:24 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: something to change in the advanced settings ? | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably not | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | test normal call first | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | to provider's test number | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | video calls are a bit special | 23:25 |
| kpoman | ok, let me see that | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | providers are 'landline' centric. Landline doesn't know videocalls | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so support for SIP to SIP calls is not always optimal, ven more this applies to videocalls | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: what system you got at your office? Does it support SIP registrar via public IP? | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess not if you run it via IP only, without usernames | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, backscroll. I see - Tandberg | 23:33 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: it is a tandberg | 23:33 |
| kpoman | let me see the options | 23:34 |
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| trumee | kpoman: not sure if i have the same issue as you, but sometimes my sip call keeps ringing eventhough the receiver party has picked up the phone | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF, tandberg requires me to register to watch their marketing blabla | 23:35 |
| kpoman | trumee: yes I am having exactly that issue right now | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | also "tandberg is now cisco" :-P | 23:36 |
| kpoman | trumee: it keeps ringing however the phone already responded | 23:36 |
| kpoman | I have options for SIP SIP Nat traversal | 23:36 |
| kpoman | but I guess not linked to my problem | 23:37 |
| trumee | kpoman: yes, that happens to me. My call is usually N900<>asterisk (freepbx)<> remote Linksys spa3102 ATA | 23:37 |
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| kpoman | DocScrutinizer: do you know how to troubleshot this ? | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | choose a proper provider. MAke sure you got no firewall/NAT in the way from N900 to internet - if there's a router/NAT, then open ports 5060-5063 and the RTP ports as defined in the provider settings | 23:40 |
| merlin1991 | yigal: I just found out there is a working quassel client for maemo http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Quassel2Go?content=136828 | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and disable any Application Layer Gateway in the router | 23:41 |
| * trumee is waiting for his openSuSe 11.4 download to finish | 23:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | kpoman: where are you geographically? | 23:41 |
| kpoman | brazil | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | oufff | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea about any sip provider over there | 23:42 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer: I connect via 3g, could connect using the phone 3g from my pc with mobile hotspot | 23:42 |
| kpoman | it worked, so I guess the provider and firewall are ok for the phone | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, a failed 200 OK SIP response inbound on call accept clearly indicates there are issues with NAT | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | most likely with NAT | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | very unlikely with your local setup of N900 | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | your 3G provider might even block SIP on purpose | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's outbound when you make a call: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios123/rel_docs/sip-flo/comp2213.htm#1020468 | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | next ³ are the answers you should get | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | § even | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kpoman: https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/user/reg/uk/index.php?set_country_location=BR|Brazil | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB: Important: Customers who sign up with sipgate for geographic phone numbers in the UK, must reside within the UK. | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.voip-list.com/protocols/sip_1.html | 23:59 |
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