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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: !!!! | 00:00 |
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| ZogG | lol | 00:01 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: go to 4chan or something | 00:02 |
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| _0x47 | Why does my application run fine from terminal (normal user), but not from an icon? The problem: In the beginning the sound will not work, but later the whole app will crash. | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | run-standalone.sh <app> | 00:04 |
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| ZogG | crashanddie црфе шы 4срфт, | 00:05 |
| ZogG | what is 4chan? | 00:05 |
| FauxFaux | Baby don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. No more. | 00:05 |
| crashanddie | lol | 00:05 |
| ZogG | crashanddie ? | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | google it | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | and go to the /b/ board | 00:06 |
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| ZogG | crashanddie, disgusting | 00:06 |
| ZogG | how you even thought of suggestion such things | 00:06 |
| _0x47 | DocScrutinizer: that doesn't seem to help | 00:07 |
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| ZogG | _0x47 what app? | 00:07 |
| crashanddie | ZogG: you seem to think that would somehow be my concern? | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wish somebody would suggest what to check for why brightness setting is reduced from 5 to 1 step | 00:07 |
| ZogG | crashanddie damn, you are boring to troll | 00:07 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: works fine here | 00:07 |
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| _0x47 | ZogG: vcmi | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU? | 00:08 |
| crashanddie | I can kick your ass and make it interesting for everyone? | 00:08 |
| ZogG | _0x47, what is dat? | 00:08 |
| ZogG | crashanddie nope, you can't. if you kick me you only accept your fail =) | 00:08 |
| _0x47 | ZogG: some HOMM3 game engine rewrite... | 00:08 |
| crashanddie | ok | 00:09 |
| ZogG | oh | 00:09 |
| _0x47 | it works from command line all the time (even the run-standalone.sh works) but not from the .desktop file | 00:09 |
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| _0x47 | Exec = run-standalone.sh vcmiclient | 00:09 |
| _0x47 | no sound :( | 00:09 |
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| ZogG | _0x47 check what parameters desctop file uses | 00:10 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, works fine for me | 00:10 |
| _0x47 | parameters for? | 00:10 |
| ZogG | CSSU and checked all steps work fine | 00:10 |
| ZogG | _0x47 for launch | 00:10 |
| ZogG | just check how does it launch from icon | 00:10 |
| ZogG | where are those icons are saved? | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* thanks ZogG | 00:11 |
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| _0x47 | ZogG: well, none, as I said: "Exec = run-standalone.sh vcmiclient" or "Exec = vcmiclient" | 00:11 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, try to reboot, did you tried cssu tuner or something? what were last steps? | 00:11 |
| _0x47 | saved in /usr/share/application/hildon/ i thing | 00:11 |
| _0x47 | think* | 00:11 |
| _0x47 | yes, confirmed | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I rebooted 3 times now, and no cssu tuner. last step: install PR1.3 update & CSSU | 00:12 |
| ZogG | _0x47 niope, not there | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | were you using simple brightness applet prior to CSSU? | 00:13 |
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| _0x47 | sry typo: /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 00:13 |
| _0x47 | applications* (with s) | 00:13 |
| ZogG | tried that | 00:13 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, as idon't know what are you talking about i bet nope | 00:14 |
| _0x47 | ZogG: then your N900 is broken? :D | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I bet nobody else tested CSSU with simple brightness applet | 00:14 |
| ZogG | _0x47, nope | 00:15 |
| _0x47 | ZogG: o, you mean the icon, or the .desktop file? | 00:15 |
| pupnik | what is simple brightness applet for... existing applet works | 00:15 |
| ZogG | _0x47, oh my bad | 00:15 |
| ZogG | it is there | 00:15 |
| ZogG | i just forgot i used cd and not cat =) | 00:15 |
| _0x47 | :D | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: well, how do you change brightness? | 00:16 |
| ZogG | _0x47 try cat /usr/share/application/hildon/vcmi | 00:16 |
| ZogG | _0x47 try cat /usr/share/application/hildon/vcmi.desktop * | 00:16 |
| _0x47 | here? | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | what's the star for? | 00:17 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer i don't usually but there is settings -> display -> brightness | 00:17 |
| _0x47 | sec | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 00:17 |
| ZogG | _0x47 on n900 | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's what simple brightness applet is for | 00:17 |
| ZogG | crashanddie star is for mistypo | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's an applet in system area | 00:17 |
| _0x47 | ZogG: :D sure, I mean if you want to see it... | 00:17 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, just to show hw i love you i'll try | 00:18 |
| ZogG | wait till i install it | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | changing brightness is the most frequently used action on my devices (except taskswitching maybe) so it's essential for usability to have it in system area menu | 00:19 |
| _0x47 | ZogG: http://pastebin.com/kjY3NQki Note: the comments are there for trial and error reasons (to check if it works) | 00:20 |
| ZogG | _0x47 wait, did you try without comments? | 00:21 |
| _0x47 | ZogG: this is the original file http://pastebin.com/qunxD30B | 00:21 |
| ZogG | and what if you set terminal true? it would open terminal first and maybe wouldn' close it but it may work | 00:21 |
| _0x47 | and I also tried with Terminal=true and ...ShowInToolbar=true | 00:21 |
| ZogG | _0x47 when you use standalone did it launch? | 00:22 |
| _0x47 | it *always* launches, but there is no sound if launched from the icon | 00:23 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: click on widgets and brightness is in lower-right | 00:23 |
| pupnik | oh that *is* simple brighness applett | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 00:23 |
| pupnik | sorry | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and it has ONE sector / sliderbutton here | 00:24 |
| ZogG | _0x47 i have no idea, try to ask guys on forum if someone had those problems and if they resolved them | 00:24 |
| _0x47 | ok thanks anyways | 00:24 |
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| ZogG | i just tryd to tell you what i would check =) | 00:25 |
| ZogG | good night | 00:25 |
| _0x47 | ZogG: yeah, thanks! good night | 00:26 |
| pupnik | "Nokia keeps the plan to release a MeeGo based device this year" - quim... i hope he's right! | 00:28 |
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| javispedro | elop told that. | 00:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Somewhat off-topic. Is 'Quim' an unfortunate name in anywhere else than the UK? | 00:31 |
| javispedro | hum, why? | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quim (slang for ladyparts) | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Not commonly used. | 00:33 |
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| Scorcerer | SpeedEvil: not in Poland | 00:34 |
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| doc|home | SpeedEvil: I'm Irish and I've never heard of it | 00:47 |
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| javispedro | afaik, quim is actually an abbreviation of "joaquim" (a much more common name around here); however quim seems to always write it as quim. | 00:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I should probably not ask questions like that - just woke up. | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | My filters don't work then. | 01:13 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: this seemingly confirms my suspicion: every single word in British English means (or has meant) "ladyparts" at one point in time and a specific place. | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | There are basically four definitions on urbandictionary, seemingly. | 01:26 |
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| pupnik | i wonder if the meego device will run maemo apps | 01:28 |
| lolcat | Can't someone open-source make symbian and android apps availeble on maemo? | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | They have to however invest a considerable amount of time and effort into it. | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | So they have to consider it's worth it. | 01:33 |
| lolcat | I can pay 37 bitcoins | 01:33 |
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| lolcat | SpeedEvil: And if we had all the android software, and the symbian, our phone would be one fifth more win that the others | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | How much are bitcoins exchanging at currently? | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I imagine it'd be at least several months of work. | 01:35 |
| lolcat | But I can actually only think of 3-4 android apps I want | 01:35 |
| lolcat | 0,8 last I checked | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | Considering not even Nokia can make a symbian app work on every phone, I'd be extremely surprised if one could actually make a symbian emulator that could run a meaningful number of apps... | 01:35 |
| lolcat | ShadowJK: Someone in Nokia has run sybian under a linux phone, I assume it was meego | 01:36 |
| lolcat | You dont need an emulator | 01:36 |
| lolcat | Besides, is there a single usable symbian program? | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - symbian is not binary compatible. | 01:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | So you'd need an emulator layer too. Or live with source level compatibilty. | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | Well there's binfmt... | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | But I still assume it's a wine level of effort | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | At best, yes, if the processors are binary compatible. | 01:38 |
| lolcat | But symbian is open-source | 01:38 |
| lolcat | Windows is not | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Symbian is open-source, yes. | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | That does not mean the apps are. | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if opensource symbian actually runs anything, didn't they rewrite a whole bunch of stuff for that? | 01:40 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd be pretty surprised if it was capable of running s60v3,v5 stuff, maybe symbian^3 apps.. | 01:41 |
| lolcat | I read a comment about some nokia dudes doing that bellow an article about how a company makes a program that converts android programs to run on maemo | 01:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | A lot of the momentum got killed some months before meego got launched. | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | When nokia began dissuading companies from developing for maemo | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | (at least this is my perception) | 01:45 |
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| lolcat | Do you think someone could get a hold of Alien Dalvik? | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Contact the people that make it. | 01:49 |
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| lolcat | Maybe I'll just wait for IcedRobot then | 01:52 |
| zerojay | GAN900: You might find this interesting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=981688 | 01:52 |
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| robbiethe1st | Hey guys, where would I find a dbus call etc. that would disable the cell modem, and another call to re-enas | 01:58 |
| robbiethe1st | *re-enable it | 01:58 |
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| internetishard | what's a good linux music player that can be remote controlled from my n900? | 02:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 02:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | this obscure keyboard repeat turn on setting | 02:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | what was it? | 02:00 |
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| pupnik | internetishard: mplayer | 02:01 |
| internetishard | how would that work? | 02:02 |
| internetishard | I'd like to use something like amarok | 02:02 |
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| pupnik | find . -iname "*.mp3" -mtime -40 -exec mplayer \-shuffle \-quiet {} + | 02:04 |
| pupnik | for e.g. | 02:04 |
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| newbie007 | hi, any ideas on using a nook (ebook reader) as an output device? I want to use the OS/programs/GPS of my n900 on a display device mounted in my car which is a "nook" (basically a large touch screen device) | 02:06 |
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| FireStorm|| | hi, does any one have a fix, or point me in direction of a fix for this sms issue where it doesn't store txt etc. | 02:07 |
| newbie007 | I had problems with texting after a reboot it fixed the problem | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | newbie007: does thenook have bt? | 02:08 |
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| newbie007 | SpeedEvil: it only has a usb port, but I can connect to a remote terminal via usb. Currently the OS on it is some Android variant,, can say I'm a fan of Android. I can change the OS though | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 02:09 |
| FireStorm|| | done that newbie007 | 02:09 |
| FireStorm|| | i remeber reading some where on maemo.org about some possible fixs but i can't find it :S | 02:10 |
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| FireStorm|| | hmm andriod i like | 02:14 |
| FireStorm|| | :D | 02:14 |
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| newbie007 | *can't say I'm a fan of Android.. Geo-location stuff | 02:16 |
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| pupnik | i still like this e71 as a phone | 02:17 |
| newbie007 | for me the n900 is the best phone ever, if it's dead I'm sorry to hear it | 02:18 |
| FireStorm|| | n900 ok but just few issues with it! | 02:18 |
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| pupnik | i think cell phones already exceed what the average persons wants to do with them | 02:28 |
| pupnik | the things that have growth potential seem to be services, related to location | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Or tracking. | 02:29 |
| pupnik | 'i want to do this' 'i'm looking for that' | 02:29 |
| internetishard | "augmented reality" seems wanted | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | 'A girl that others have rated as having really nice breasts is about to come round that corner'. | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | That's the killer app right there. | 02:30 |
| pupnik | 'here's her favorite music. start playing on speaker now?' | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | 'She is on a diet tracking website, and eats a bagel about this time. The shop over there sells bagels consistently rated excellent' | 02:31 |
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| pupnik | always feels a bit blase when a technology matures | 02:34 |
| pupnik | ... like watching your wife get fat | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Treadmill + generator. | 02:35 |
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| internetishard | how do you recommend I mount a 100Gig volume over the network for playing music on the n900? | 02:38 |
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| internetishard | I know there is a mpd client for the n900, but I don't know about an mpd server | 02:38 |
| internetishard | furthermore, I might want a script to downcode some of the music so that it streams over 3g and 2g when I'm not on wifi | 02:39 |
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| mikhas | internetishard, just guessing here, but perhaps you're looking for http://maemo.org/packages/view/zhaan/ | 02:41 |
| internetishard | not really sure what that is, but I guess I'll try it | 02:42 |
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| pupnik | internetishard: oh you want to play media on the N900, not on the PC? | 02:46 |
| pupnik | i prefer Knots2 for that | 02:46 |
| internetishard | I think I've figured out playing media on the PC via the n900, now I want visa versa (playing it on the n900) | 02:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | internetishard: Why not just take a ~16G subset of your music? | 02:47 |
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| pupnik | that's slow and reduces random-access | 02:49 |
| internetishard | I do, but I also want access to all of it | 02:50 |
| internetishard | plus, eventually, I'd like to be able to stream movies by doing this too (the server will down encode them to something that can stream without buffering over wifi or even 3g | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ got the CSSU issue and the broken VoIP (and the brightness slider) sorted | 02:50 |
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| pupnik | what was the problem DocScrutinizer ? | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | now I realize it's not allowed by sipgate (or by router) to call my own SIP number, even when I got multiple clients registered and online | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: dependency hell with modified-hildon-desktop vs hildon-desktop-CSSU on 140 vs 142 revision | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so DO NOT install CSSU when you got MHD installed, or even when you downgraded to the 140 version | 02:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I still fail to completely understand how that circle dependency worked, but it mad CSSU fail to install hildon-desktop142 | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | made* | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | this in turn caused the cssu-enabler to abort, which borked the brightness applet, and you couldn't apt-get remove the MHD because of CSSU dependency | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | something alng that line | 02:57 |
| internetishard | I hope you've figured out how to get paid doing this stuff DocScrutinizer | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas not yet | 02:57 |
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| pupnik | the oven has improved my usb connector | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh :-D | 02:58 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: that's a lot of keyboard shortcuts! in MHD | 02:58 |
| pupnik | seems like it was written just for you | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, MHD aka CSSU-HD142 has some nice shortcuts | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | a short demo: (key+ means press and hold, key- means release) ctrl+, bs+, ctrl-, ..., ctrl, ctrl, ctrl, ctrl+, bs-, bs, bs, bs, bs+, ctrl-, bs-. --- shift-s closes 2nd-left 2nd-topmost app | 03:02 |
| pupnik | do you ever toggle compositing? | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't even know what's that supposed to do | 03:03 |
| pupnik | \"ctrl-shift-n toggles composite mode " | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I tried and couldn't tell the diff | 03:04 |
| pupnik | so it didn't disable blur/transitions | 03:04 |
| pupnik | interesting | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, transitions and blurr | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme check | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't tell any diff - still does transitions, still there's blurr when menu opens | 03:06 |
| pupnik | ok interesting | 03:08 |
| pupnik | god i love having 'locate' on n900 now | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, still doesn't work here though I installed it and afaik even kicked off an update-db once | 03:09 |
| pupnik | it installs to the wrong bin dir | 03:10 |
| pupnik | like /usr/bin/gnu/bin or something like that | 03:10 |
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| pupnik | i just moved the files to /usr/bin and it works | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | leme check | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | else | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | : ${BINDIR=/usr/bin} | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | : ${find:=${BINDIR}/find} | 03:15 |
| pupnik | so 'which locate' finds locate? | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# updatedb | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | find: unrecognized: -fstype | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) multi-call binary | 03:16 |
| pupnik | Version: 4.4.2-1maemo7 << ? | 03:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | locate works great, updatedb doesn't | 03:16 |
| pupnik | does here | 03:16 |
| pupnik | that looks like a bug reported to the app though | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | as the *good* find isn't in /usr/bin but in /usr/bin/gnu | 03:17 |
| pupnik | ahh | 03:17 |
| pupnik | yes i moved find up | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke messybox | 03:18 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at messybox ... B☢☢M! | 03:18 | |
| pupnik | updatedb flies... like 30 seconds here | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually that's kind of a bug in updatedb | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | see -> : ${find:=${BINDIR}/find} | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | should use path | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | if find in $PATH | 03:19 |
| pupnik | ahh | 03:20 |
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| pupnik | is /usr/bin/gnu in your path?? | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got /usr/bin/gnu in my PATH | 03:20 |
| pupnik | ok | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | given the fact updatedb usually gets started via cron, it's a bit arguable how much it should benefit from that | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | but a hardcoded BINDIR=/usr/bin looks fishy anyway | 03:22 |
| Tja | hello I have fremantle on my n900 and the gps isnt finding anything at all. is that normal? im in west germany and others do work here fine like the 2nd google mobile phone by htc which ever that was | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | insert a SIM, register to provider | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | GPS is known to be sluggish without GSM | 03:23 |
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| pupnik | i've never gotten a lock indoors here | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | indoors, well | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends here | 03:24 |
| Tja | I never ran it without that | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes takes 60s - sometimes never | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | use location test app | 03:24 |
| pupnik | teh cruuze missiles always know where i am | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | in extras-devel I guess | 03:25 |
| Tja | Doc is that in the normal app repos? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tja: you have a recent OS? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I guess it's in extras-devel | 03:26 |
| Tja | fremantle repos are up to date here | 03:26 |
| Tja | just befor logging in i checked no updates | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | even tools | 03:26 |
| Tja | hm? | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | location-test-gui: Installed: 0.93-1+0m5 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/non-free Packages | 03:27 |
| internetishard | you guys using the USB host mode successfully yet to plug in usb flash drives? | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wouldn't have published it otherwise :-P | 03:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Tja: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_non-free_armel/location-test-gui/0.93-1+0m5/ | 03:31 |
| Tja | ok | 03:33 |
| Tja | what is that tools repo fremantle-1.3? | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | developer tools | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | most of them for PC, in SB | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | some work on N900 as well | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 03:36 |
| Tja | whats the apt sources-list line? | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait a minute | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools see the first line under first white box | 03:37 |
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| Tja | btw sorry if I'm looking a lil illiterate but I'm at the device right now | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's actually good, so you just need to click that link :-) | 03:39 |
| Tja | awesome thanks | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not my fault if you ignore the warnings :-D | 03:40 |
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| Tja | Doc Im running sid on my normal wo4k box dont worry ;-) | 03:41 |
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| Tja | and I slowly grasp this derivative | 03:42 |
| pupnik | community is so cool here... making stuff like catorise | 03:43 |
| pupnik | and having a repo for it | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, apmefo >> catorise | 03:43 |
| pupnik | oh that's new to me | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | apmefo has a clumsy config GUI. catorise has NO config | 03:45 |
| Tja | is there a way to alien apkgs from android to be debs | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrr | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | android apps most likely won't run on maemo | 03:45 |
| Tja | just asking dunno if thats possible | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that's what you are asking | 03:46 |
| Tja | ah | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | android != linux | 03:46 |
| Tja | hmm no chance poorting that jvm? | 03:46 |
| Tja | yeah | 03:46 |
| pupnik | catorise is great for having no config :D | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no, dalvik hasn't been ported (yet?) | 03:46 |
| Tja | hum | 03:46 |
| pupnik | closed source one is waiting for oem deals | 03:47 |
| pupnik | or rather unreleased one | 03:47 |
| Tja | android != debian is correct since android _has_ a linux core | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Tja: In the loosest sense. | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Tja: It is linux -yes. It's really not gnu/linux though. | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | the kernel API differs quite a bit | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It's like saying that a dune buggy has the same engine as a fork lift. | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | While this may be strictly true, it's not actually a useful observation. | 03:48 |
| Tja | yeah | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo SpeedEvil | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | oow. | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooɯ | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sıɥʇ ʎɐןdsıp uɐɔ ʇuǝıןɔ ɔɹı ɹnoʎ ǝdoɥ | 03:52 |
| Tja | yep | 03:52 |
| Tja | acwp was almost correct | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | --- - --- - -- - - ---- - - - -- -- -. | 03:53 |
| Tja | anyway gonna test it again later | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: OTOTMTTxTTTMMT ?? | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Naah - that was edge-on letters. | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | You need 3D to see them. | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 03:57 |
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| pupnik | there used to be a 'cryopid' project to swap out linux processes to disc - sort of like what android does | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you're loosely interested in dbus: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/dbus | 04:21 |
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| pupnik | large copy operations still bog down the device | 04:35 |
| pupnik | swapolube doesn't seem to fix that | 04:35 |
| pupnik | waiting 1 minute for a ssh login | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | swappiness=? | 04:36 |
| pupnik | ... still waiting for a shell | 04:37 |
| pupnik | how do i see that | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 04:37 |
| pupnik | 3 minutes | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill the copy as loong as you can in a gentle way | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are it might take days or weeks | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and eventually you just can remove battery | 04:39 |
| pupnik | well it managed to finish a 750 MB file | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | powerbutton ->kill current task | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 04:40 |
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| pupnik | no happiness with powerbutton | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't stack up too many user actins, they all pile up in buffer | 04:41 |
| pupnik | device shut down | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | eventually power menu will open, and you'll be happy if there's no other crap spoiling it | 04:41 |
| pupnik | ahh rebooting | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you pressed the power button for >10s I guess | 04:42 |
| pupnik | swappiness 30 | 04:42 |
| pupnik | no i didn't | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 04:42 |
| pupnik | it probably thought i did | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | scary | 04:43 |
| pupnik | is there a better swappiness setting? | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat botreason | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | boot even | 04:43 |
| pupnik | 32wd_to | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, can't find the file | 04:45 |
| pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69973 | 04:45 |
| pupnik | looks like something to try | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | still interested in bootreason FQN | 04:46 |
| pupnik | bootreason was 32wd_to | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | FQN, not content | 04:46 |
| pupnik | what is FQN | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | fully qualified name | 04:46 |
| pupnik | /proc/bootreason | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | path/filename | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh lol, I searched on my PC | 04:47 |
| pupnik | got a "media is read-only until fixed" message | 04:48 |
| pupnik | ok so now MyDocs is corrupt | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what you'd expect on such action | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck from ass rage ->PC | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | or umount and fsck on device | 04:50 |
| pupnik | 'ass rage'? | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | mass rage | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sto rage | 04:51 |
| pupnik | oh | 04:51 |
| pupnik | differing fats... use first or second? | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 04:52 |
| pupnik | i'm guessing the second is the one before the error | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 04:52 |
| pupnik | but it might not have the files that did copy | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what | 04:53 |
| pupnik | yeah ok | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | those a junk anyway | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | (searched on my PC) time to chill | 04:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this PR1.3 mp-fremantle-generic-pr upgrade plus CSSU deps hell fix experience was just too funny for one evening | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so ping me on my nice autostarted xchat on pr1.3 cssu if anything interesting flies by | 04:57 |
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| GAN900 | Android makes me miss "tap outside dialog to close". | 04:58 |
| pupnik | oh wow those vm changes made everything better | 04:58 |
| pupnik | wow! | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ? | 05:00 |
| pupnik | "Reducing I/O queues to 4 causes I/Os to block, rather than queue. This means you're less likely to encounter a situation where the queue is slammed by a large background process (ie. copying a 400mb file)" | 05:01 |
| pupnik | ssh login during copy took ~4 seconds | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | parameter? | 05:03 |
| ShadowJK | 0 > /sys/block/*/queue/nr-request | 05:07 |
| ShadowJK | or something such | 05:07 |
| ShadowJK | 4 not 0 | 05:07 |
| * ShadowJK used to run with 4 on N800 and N810 too :-) | 05:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: | 05:08 |
| ShadowJK | But now I'm using something ludicrously large on N900 | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 128 here now | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for both | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what' that? IO requests, blocks? | 05:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 ponders which initfile to tweak | 05:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | initscript | 05:13 |
| pupnik | heh one speaker decided to start working again | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 05:14 |
| pupnik | aahh both! | 05:14 |
| pupnik | wtf | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | muhahalol | 05:14 |
| nox- | haha | 05:14 |
| pupnik | including the one i photographed taken apart | 05:15 |
| nox- | wow | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | incredible | 05:15 |
| pupnik | it's a bit quieter than the other | 05:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | any suggestions where to throw in that echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests ? | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in etc/init.d/* | 05:17 |
| pupnik | don't know.. i ran it in a shell as root | 05:18 |
| pupnik | lol @ nethack-common in /etc/init.d | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, but I'm not Seymor Cray | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't boot up my digital equipment by toggling in the bootloader via bit switches | 05:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I did enough mess today, so a bootloop won't hurt XP - tossed it into rcS | 05:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dmnit! somebody is probably writing those "128" to there, and it's done after my lines in rcS | 05:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: who's setting the values initially? kernel defaults? | 05:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | etc/init.d/rcS: | 05:59 |
| pupnik | psx itself gets only 50% cpu - the rest is Xorg, hildon-desktop, pulseaudio | 05:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo 500 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs | 05:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ++ echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots1" | 05:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ++ echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots2" | 05:59 |
| pupnik | heh | 05:59 |
| pupnik | it sucks when the OS is taking up 1/2 the cpu | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | tested, works (as far as there's "4" in those sysnodes now, and it boots) | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | psx? | 06:00 |
| pupnik | testing the newest playstation emulator | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 06:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer pondering whether to cp ~/MySpace/1GBfile .. | 06:02 | |
| pupnik | 19.1 /usr/bin/Xorg 17.9 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop 11.4 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | MyDocs | 06:02 |
| pupnik | haha | 06:02 |
| pupnik | go for it | 06:02 |
| pupnik | works now, here | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so edit your rcS to include it by default | 06:02 |
| pupnik | i can do that, but i won't yet | 06:05 |
| pupnik | hmm i've got the dropped ssh connection problem again | 06:06 |
| pupnik | it freezes until i re-ping something | 06:07 |
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| pupnik | Last Measured Discharge: 1370 mA | 06:20 |
| pupnik | pretty happy | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sounds about right | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 1380 here | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RS=22 | 06:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Cycle Count since Learning: 4 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 66 | 06:30 |
| pupnik | hmm i have Cycle Count since Learning: 0 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 0 | 06:34 |
| pupnik | does that mean the n900 doesn't know my new battery's capacity yet? | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 06:36 |
| pupnik | but i discharged fully | 06:37 |
| pupnik | (charging occurred with external charger) | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it needs a full cycle, and even one doesn't suffice as those values don't change more than iirc 1/6 | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: well maybe it means you just finished the learning cycle | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what's your flags? | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mine 0x04 | 06:41 |
| pupnik | Flags: 0x90 | 06:42 |
| pupnik | http://paste.debian.net/109831/ | 06:42 |
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| Termana | good morning | 06:46 |
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| pupnik | hiya Termana | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | CI Capacity Inaccurate flag. A 1 indicates that the firmware has not been through a valid learning cycle | 06:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | VDQ Valid Discharge flag. A 1 indicates that the bqJUNIOR has met all necessary requirements for the firmware to learn the battery capacity. This bit clears to 0 on a LMD update or condition that disqualifies a learning cycle. This bit is cleared to 0 on all resets. | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | <pupnik> (charging occurred with external charger) removing battery will reset the bq27200 after a few seconds | 06:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | EDV1 (3248mV) This register contains the scaled value of the voltage when the battery has 6.25% remaining capacity. When the battery reaches this threshold during a valid discharge, the device learns the full battery capacity, including the remaining 6.25%. | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | EDV1 is a constant in EEPROM, it means you need to discharge a fully charged battery to 3.248V to complete a learning cycle | 07:15 |
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| pupnik | is the n900 display somehow "IPS"? the colors are really stable | 07:17 |
| pupnik | aha... ty DocScrutinizer51 | 07:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: your script runs with RS=30, this will give values way off what's correct | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's amazing that ILMD (initial capacity default) is 1370mAh with RS=30, but my batgauge calculates LastMeasuredDischarge (real one) as 1380 with RS=22 - while ILMD is 1869mAh with RS=22 | 07:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | It seems like the chip's EEPROM has been programmed to work with 30, but actually the N900 is using 22 (or 20) now | 07:40 |
| pupnik | you mean 1839mAh with RS-30 ? | 07:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, with 22 | 07:40 |
| pupnik | your batgauge calculates LastMeasuredDischarge (real one) as 1380 with RS=22 ? | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 07:41 |
| pupnik | and ILMD is 1869mAh with RS=22 | 07:41 |
| pupnik | ? | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 07:41 |
| pupnik | so ILMD != LastMeasuredDischarge? | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | so a few learning cycles adjusted LMD from 1869 initial (from EEPROM) to a real 1380 | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ILMD is the *initial* default value from EEPROM | 07:42 |
| pupnik | ohh | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | on your reading both are 1370, as LMD got set to ILMD | 07:42 |
| pupnik | got it | 07:43 |
| pupnik | so this battery manufacturer may be honest | 07:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | mine is | 07:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to edit your script for RS=22, then discharge your battery from full to 3.248V | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you need to do this 2 or 3 times, to tune the 1896mAh to the real capacity of your bat, as LMD adjusts by max 1/6 at a time afaik | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~1869 / 6 * 5 | 07:46 |
| infobot | 1557.5 | 07:46 |
| pupnik | my ILMD=1370 | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~1557 / 6 * 5 | 07:46 |
| infobot | 1297.5 | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: because your RS=30 | 07:47 |
| pupnik | ahhhh ILMD=2056 | 07:47 |
| pupnik | with RS=20 | 07:48 |
| pupnik | well since usb-charging is now miraculously good, i think i can try the discharge/recharge thing | 07:48 |
| pupnik | thanks, this will help me review the battery | 07:48 |
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| pupnik | got a 'polarcell' | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/109834/ | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: http://paste.debian.net/109835/ | 07:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/109836/ | 07:54 |
| pupnik | i see | 07:55 |
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| pupnik | complicated | 07:56 |
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| pupnik | well documented tho | 07:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/109837/ even better | 07:56 |
| pupnik | how did you find out the resistor was 20 not 30? | 07:57 |
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| pupnik | why do i always ping heise.de to test | 07:58 |
| pupnik | web.de would be shorter, but heise.de is funner to type somehow | 07:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | somebody measured the current drawn from battery and compared that to bq27200 readout | 08:00 |
| pupnik | ah | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | roughly spoken | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm rather sure it's 22mR | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | not 20 | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | YMMV | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1 milli Ohm isn't much | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | can easily vary from device to device | 08:02 |
| ds3 | is 20ohm a possible 1% value? I'd think for stuff like this, you want a 1% not a 5% resistor | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | milli | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's 2 in series | 08:03 |
| ds3 | 20mohm I mean | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | so quite possibly 2 * 10mR + 2mR for solderjoints and PCB traces | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 2 * 11 | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | both are usual values | 08:05 |
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| robbiethe1st | Hello all | 08:48 |
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| gomiam | erm... I asked a few days ago about an N800 not finding a network another one found with no problems. It seems the "failing" one is an US version, unable to go over channel 11. Is that a hardware limitation or a software one? | 09:48 |
| ruskie | most likely firmware one | 09:49 |
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| gomiam | ruskie: I'm asking because I want to know whether it is worth it to download the ROM for the working one and dump it on the USified one or not. | 09:50 |
| gomiam | not that it would take much time either way, but... | 09:50 |
| ruskie | should be worth it... | 09:51 |
| gomiam | nice to know. I'll try it... later :) | 09:51 |
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| Shapeshifter | Ok so I'm trying to stream the webcam video to my PC, I do gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 | 10:35 |
| Shapeshifter | ! ffmpegcolorspace ! smokeenc ! udpsink host=192.168.1.101 port=5000 | 10:35 |
| Shapeshifter | on the mobile. With the correct port. I play it back using gst-launch-0.10 udpsrc port=5000 ! smokedec ! autovideosink . Problem is, the picture has a strong green tint. | 10:36 |
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| pupnik | oh i wish for an escape key on next device | 10:37 |
| pupnik | but someone at nokia doesn't like the escape key | 10:37 |
| pupnik | they wanted to get rid of it as a metaphor | 10:37 |
| pupnik | bad people :D | 10:37 |
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| pupnik | 'you are always in! there is no out! there is only going ze forward!' | 10:38 |
| SpeedEvil | The next meego device will have an escape key. | 10:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Oops | 10:38 |
| SpeedEvil | The next device will have a meego escape key. It's called the windows button. | 10:38 |
| kerio | yeah, the "next" "meego" "device" | 10:39 |
| kerio | *ba dum tsss* | 10:39 |
| cfreak200 | you mean qemu with the next meego device ? :P | 10:39 |
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| pupnik | ctrl-q could be 'esc' on the n900 actually | 10:41 |
| pupnik | why didn't i think of that b4 | 10:41 |
| Shapeshifter | good idea | 10:42 |
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| kerio | i have esc as shift+fn+backspace | 10:43 |
| kerio | and tab as fn+backspace | 10:43 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Morning! | 10:54 |
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| mece | \o | 11:06 |
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| pupnik | sucks how kobo deluxe and technoballz are designed for right-handed people | 11:09 |
| nidO | same as most things then | 11:10 |
| pupnik | yes but it's software | 11:10 |
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| alterego | I wonder where the N900 had most sales ... | 11:16 |
| PolarFox | Good morning.. I think.. Even if it is monday.. :) | 11:17 |
| alterego | Aloha | 11:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | alterego: where? probably the US. | 11:24 |
| alterego | Yeah, mebbe | 11:24 |
| alterego | Apparently the UK is the largest (percentage wise) mobile gaming industry | 11:24 |
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| ruskie | alterego, I guess all that queing adds up ;) | 11:26 |
| alterego | ruskie: :D | 11:26 |
| alterego | And our awful public transport ;) | 11:27 |
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| ruskie | I tend to be overlay patient and will just stand still and wait for my turn... | 11:27 |
| ruskie | same for using the public transport anywhere | 11:27 |
| alterego | ruskie: me too :) | 11:27 |
| ruskie | I can't really enjoy a game-on-the-go | 11:28 |
| alterego | I tend to have a very relaxed/don't-give-a-shit attitude to things out of my sphere of control. | 11:28 |
| ruskie | i.e. play 2 minutes... oh my turn to do something... | 11:28 |
| ruskie | same here | 11:28 |
| alterego | Though when people push in and stuff I tend to get riled. | 11:28 |
| mece | alterego, per capita, in finland no doubt. | 11:28 |
| alterego | And I can't stand complainers, loud gobby complainers ... | 11:28 |
| ruskie | when I actually want to play I'll turn on the PS3(which is the main reason I got it) and play for a few hours... | 11:28 |
| alterego | Yeah, same here but xbox 360 | 11:29 |
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| ruskie | alterego, we have self-service checkouts at a few stores here now... and of course the store people can't always track everything to help out so I'll just stand there until they notice that something is wrong... ;) and yes I'm willing to stand there for an hour or more ;) | 11:30 |
| alterego | Hahah | 11:30 |
| alterego | Yeah, Tesco and boots have self service, makes things a lot less stressful I think | 11:30 |
| ruskie | yup | 11:30 |
| ruskie | considering I tend to run through a store 90% of the time | 11:31 |
| alterego | If I'm buying alcohol or movies I'll go to a real person though | 11:31 |
| ruskie | I can be done at the checkout in under a minute most of the time | 11:31 |
| ruskie | of course being an IT person these self selrvice checkouts just love us and tend to break down when we're in the area though :( | 11:31 |
| ruskie | even the sales people ask... are you working for us or are you an IT person? when it does happen ;) | 11:32 |
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| alterego | Heh, makes me chuckle when I see a win 2k crash screen ;) | 11:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was amused to find on the tesco website - on the 'null' search - if you search for nothing - 'I' - the product description is just a large red I, and it's 20p. | 11:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I ordered one, to see what happend. | 11:35 |
| robbiethe1st | and? | 11:35 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/temp/tesco.jpeg | 11:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not been delivered yet | 11:36 |
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| alterego | heh, looks like a book | 11:39 |
| alterego | http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/07/nokia-and-digia-working-together/ | 11:39 |
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| ruskie | alterego, hmm does that mean they basically offloaded Qt? | 11:41 |
| alterego | No | 11:42 |
| alterego | Just the commercial licensing side of things | 11:42 |
| ruskie | ahh so outsourcing | 11:42 |
| alterego | Which Nokia don't really care about anyway | 11:42 |
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| pupnik | wow drnoksnes is smooth now | 11:45 |
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| smhar | greetings | 11:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | alterego: i'm *assuming* that includes the people who do commercial support | 11:52 |
| smhar | in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php, what is the difference between RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? | 11:52 |
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| nidO | one's the rootfs and the other's the emmc | 11:53 |
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| smhar | when issuing flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f , I got this error: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f . what could be wrong? | 11:59 |
| pupnik | what error> | 12:00 |
| alterego | smhar: ./flasher-3.5 ? | 12:01 |
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| smhar | no, the usb was connected while issuing the command. it should be disconnected first. | 12:02 |
| smhar | first flashing is done. | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | no, it shouldn't | 12:03 |
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| pupnik | wonder what the current drain of more modern (oled?) displays runs about | 12:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: It's proportional to lit area, plus a constant | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | I guess it also depends on colour depth? | 12:04 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil: finally a benefit for my preferred dark screen | 12:04 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | since the N8 goes to something like 8-bit when locked | 12:04 |
| pupnik | well max brightness on n900 pulls about 210 mA | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | any ideas why they did that then? | 12:05 |
| SpeedEvil | N8 is not OLED is it? | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | AMOLED iirc | 12:05 |
| pupnik | yes | 12:05 |
| smhar | MohammadAG, N900 was on, it worked after connected while off | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, http://i54.tinypic.com/2e2lzrn.jpg\ | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | http://i54.tinypic.com/2e2lzrn.jpg * | 12:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Reduced bit-depth also reduces memory bus demands | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | smhar, press U before connecting the USB cable next time | 12:05 |
| pupnik | at 3/5 brightness it's pulling 105 mA | 12:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example, on my old laptop, 4 bit X used 10% less power than 24 bit. | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | (that N8 is locked btw) | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | it never blanks | 12:06 |
| smhar | MohammadAG, Now I will do: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R , I hope every thing will be 'safe' :-) | 12:06 |
| SpeedEvil | The two pics are identical. | 12:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - right | 12:06 |
| pupnik | at 4/5 brighness it's pulling 119 mA | 12:07 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, I had a \ at the end in the first one | 12:07 |
| pupnik | wow, huge difference between 4/5 and full | 12:07 |
| SpeedEvil | The eye is very non-linear. | 12:07 |
| pupnik | yes. although it always semed to me that full was significantly brighter | 12:08 |
| pupnik | but this is a good reminder to avoid it | 12:08 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 12:08 | |
| pupnik | problems? | 12:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I want the brightness to go down further. | 12:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I should check some leads from the schematic. | 12:09 |
| * mece comforts SpeedEvil *there there* | 12:09 | |
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| MohammadAG | echo 1 > /sys/class/backlight/ac<whatever>/brightness? | 12:09 |
| SpeedEvil | 2 is minimum | 12:09 |
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| smhar | MohammadAG, ohh, just noticed the warning in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 not to use the -R option. may be it it should be removed from the command line in the main text as will | 12:09 |
| pupnik | what does -R do? | 12:10 |
| MohammadAG | reboot | 12:10 |
| nidO | reboot | 12:10 |
| mece | reboot | 12:10 |
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| * mece just wanted to be part of the cool gang that said "reboot" just then | 12:11 | |
| nidO | smhar, not using the -R option only applies if you're flashing both the emmc and rootfs | 12:11 |
| smhar | nidO, which I am | 12:12 |
| nidO | the point is, why would the -R switch be removed from the text which details how to flash only the rootfs | 12:12 |
| mece | is this good or bad news? http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/07/nokia-and-digia-working-together/ | 12:12 |
| nidO | when it's only when doing both that you shouldnt use it, and the instructions for which dont include the -R switch | 12:12 |
| smhar | nidO, agree, I stand corrected | 12:14 |
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| smhar | "Finishing flashing... done CMT flashed successfully." is that it? | 12:16 |
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| smhar | rebooted. About says: Version: 20.2010.36-2 . is this the latest? | 12:22 |
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| lardman|home | morning | 13:00 |
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| smhar | using usb, is it possible to connect N900 to an internet connect computer and use that computer as a gateway to the net? how? | 13:29 |
| Appiah | I think this is on the wiki.. | 13:29 |
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| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 13:30 |
| smhar | thanks Appiah | 13:31 |
| visz | trying to get my usb ethernet adapter to work | 13:31 |
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| visz | seems like the right module is loaded, but dhcp client gives an error message | 13:32 |
| pupnik | interesting - with a brand new battery the low batt warning comes on well before 3638 mv | 13:32 |
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| Lava_Croft | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/server_attention_span.png | 13:55 |
| Lava_Croft | so true | 13:55 |
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| Arachon | I just wonder... Is it at all possible to get a hold of a Maemo-phone? | 14:41 |
| Appiah | ? | 14:41 |
| Arachon | I seem to remember hearing that they don't sell them anymore...? | 14:42 |
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| joga | they don't sell n900 you mean? | 14:42 |
| Arachon | That'd be the one | 14:42 |
| XenonXZ | had to ask for mine wasnt advertised | 14:42 |
| Arachon | hm. | 14:43 |
| nidO | it depends where you live | 14:44 |
| nidO | most places i'd think its not hard to still get hold of an n900 | 14:44 |
| Arachon | I'm in Sweden... You'd think we'd get one, what with being next to Finland and all <.< But so far, I've had no luck | 14:44 |
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| nidO | well, you can happily get one from amazon.co.uk or .de | 14:45 |
| Arachon | Oh. | 14:46 |
| Arachon | Fancy that | 14:46 |
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| pupnik | i haven't a cell phone store in germany carrying them | 14:47 |
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| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/mwc2011ballmer1907.jpg | 14:49 |
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| ab | it is increasingly amusing that multitasking is such a big deal implementation-wise on mobiles | 14:56 |
| smhar | when flashing N900, do I need to keep pressing the 'u' all the time? | 14:56 |
| ruskie | just for the bootup | 14:56 |
| ruskie | then you can release | 14:57 |
| ruskie | you see a usb logo on the nokia screen | 14:57 |
| jonwil | I fail to understand why WP7 and iOS need this "fake multitasking" crap | 14:57 |
| ruskie | it means you can release it | 14:57 |
| ruskie | jonwil, because they are incapable of real multitasking | 14:57 |
| jonwil | iOS jailbreaking shows that an iPhone can multitask just fine | 14:57 |
| jonwil | me, I like my N900 and its real multitasking | 14:58 |
| ruskie | it's not desired | 14:58 |
| ruskie | i.e. confuses people | 14:58 |
| jonwil | So make multitasking work like desktop windows with a simple list of open apps | 14:59 |
| jonwil | peopple arent confused by that | 14:59 |
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| Venemo | most people are confused by desktop windows's multitasking | 14:59 |
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| jonwil | hmmm ok | 15:00 |
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| Venemo | jonwil: I mean the average people | 15:00 |
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| smhar | the most irritating thing after a full flash is the long lines of text you need to enter just to be able to ssh to the phone | 15:05 |
| Lava_Croft | iphone not doing real multitasking might be more related to battery life | 15:05 |
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| pupnik | no, about the ability to control the user experience | 15:10 |
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| pupnik | make sure things update fast and predictably | 15:10 |
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| RST38h | anyone with CSSU experience? | 15:10 |
| pupnik | i saw some issues yesterday | 15:11 |
| RST38h | am I the only one noticing that CSSU version of Modest is basically broken, with no redeeming qualities, at least on the surface? | 15:11 |
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| pupnik | apparently you shouldn't update CSSU with the hacked hildon desktop | 15:12 |
| RST38h | well I had a stock desktop | 15:13 |
| RST38h | and the desktop is fine (although most advertised extra features mostly appear to be gimmicks) | 15:13 |
| nidO | isnt the cssu version of modest just an updated stock version without the nokia crippling? | 15:13 |
| RST38h | it is modest that appears to be worse than the stock version | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | cssu modest works fine here | 15:13 |
| RST38h | I dunno what you mean by crippling here | 15:13 |
| RST38h | Lava: Will it rotate to portrait for you? | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | RST38h: you probably have other software that might break something | 15:14 |
| RST38h | It does not rotate here. And if I force the rotation, I cannot compose emails in it | 15:14 |
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| nidO | RST38h: preventing imap-idle from working being an example | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont use the autorotate, and afaik cssu is still in 'testing' | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | so expect unfinished stuff and bugs | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | RST38h: flash rootfs | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | and then install cssu | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | thats the method i use and it works flawlessly | 15:15 |
| RST38h | Lava: Ok, thank you for your data input | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | Thank you for using our services. | 15:16 |
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| smhar | I am in a wifi zone but I want to connect to the internet via usb cable. N900 automatically connects to wifi. how to stop this? | 16:43 |
| slonopotamus | use wifi switcher | 16:44 |
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| lolcat | Dalvik is open-soruce, rigth? Mostly java, can't I stick it into my N900? Can maemo programs run on the android kernel? Or can I have to kernels? | 16:44 |
| sandst1 | lolcat: http://www.nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project | 16:45 |
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| lolcat | sandst1: I want ONE android program on my N900 and I dont want Aos | 16:46 |
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| sandst1 | lolcat: i guess then you have to wait for alien dalvik | 16:47 |
| GAN900 | Why is it that all of the DRM-encumbered ebook readers insist on arbitrarily limiting text formatting and appearance. . . . | 16:47 |
| sandst1 | if it's even coming out as a free version | 16:47 |
| lolcat | sandst1: Alien Dalvik is closed source and I won't get my hands on it | 16:47 |
| sandst1 | lolcat: well. then you have to duplicate their work :P | 16:48 |
| lolcat | sandst1: IcedRobot team is writing an impentation on openJDK | 16:48 |
| slonopotamus | GAN900: there's no logic in DRM-related stuff | 16:48 |
| slonopotamus | GAN900: and when there is, it's broken. | 16:48 |
| smhar | slonopotamus, did that. now I can browse and ping the net but app manger asks to 'Select connection' !! | 16:49 |
| sandst1 | lolcat: cool | 16:49 |
| lolcat | sandst1: But they wont be done within 9 days | 16:49 |
| slonopotamus | smhar: because maemo networking is crap :) | 16:49 |
| slonopotamus | smhar: use apt-get then :/ or try fap | 16:50 |
| slonopotamus | or how it was called... | 16:50 |
| smhar | could you be more clear the :/ thing | 16:50 |
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| GAN900 | You'll take uselessly huge margins and like them, and, no, you can't have white on black. | 16:51 |
| slonopotamus | smhar: that was two sentences :) | 16:51 |
| sandst1 | lolcat: yeah, not gonna happen that soon :) however, it's been done in ubuntu, so why not maemo too http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/2009/05/android-full-screen-on-ubuntu.html | 16:52 |
| slonopotamus | smhar: fapman it's called | 16:52 |
| smhar | slonopotamus, do you mean I can not use the application manager with usb networking? | 16:52 |
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| slonopotamus | smhar: it wants network and it doesn't know that you're already connected. either use commandline apt-get or try fapman (another gui app manager) | 16:53 |
| sandst1 | lolcat: but in case you haven't tried nitdroid on n900, go ahead and try :) it's pretty smooth | 16:53 |
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| lolcat | sandst1: I have, but I didnt like android and the appstore was missing the one app I wanted | 16:54 |
| smhar | slonopotamus, it is much easier to just 'select' application instead of typing their names | 16:54 |
| smhar | slonopotamus, isn't there a way to clear the confusion in N900 about which network to use? | 16:55 |
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| sandst1 | lolcat: ok | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<SpeedEvil> I want the brightness to go down further.) were you offline when I elaborated about that PWM1 output to control the /EN of LED-BL converter? | 16:56 |
| slonopotamus | smhar: sure, get app manager sources and drop network checking :) | 16:56 |
| lolcat | sandst1: So all I have to do is get the source from the ubuntu thing and compile for arm and install open-jdk | 16:57 |
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| sandst1 | lolcat: i'm pretty sure it won't be that straightforward :) | 16:57 |
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| lolcat | I can't find it | 16:59 |
| lolcat | but when I do I will get it | 16:59 |
| lolcat | I migth need to use the ubuntu latest ubuntu kernel on the phone though but debian ~ ubuntu so I guess that migth work | 16:59 |
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| lolcat | Does sun java run on N900? | 17:01 |
| sandst1 | lolcat: do you have the app you want as an apk file? if you're willing to put a new kernel and put dalvik on top etc, why not just take nitdroid and install the apk file there? | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | amigadave: you're the good ghost of the wiki :-D Appreciate your work a lot | 17:03 |
| lolcat | sandst1: i need it in maemo | 17:03 |
| sandst1 | ookay | 17:03 |
| amigadave | DocScrutinizer: thanks :) | 17:04 |
| amigadave | DocScrutinizer: if you have any suggestions, feel free to ping me | 17:04 |
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| smhar | slonopotamus, fapman has the same problem | 17:05 |
| slonopotamus | woops. | 17:06 |
| smhar | slonopotamus, I stand corrected. it works, it seems, although it complains about no network | 17:07 |
| smhar | I just kept ignoring the errors and it installs | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: the problem is that connection deamon2 (I forgot the TLA) isn't aware of USV | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: it's all in the wiki | 17:10 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, care to give a link? | 17:10 |
| smhar | I do not remember having this problem with PR1.2 | 17:11 |
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| Arkenoi | http://www.digia.com/C2256FEF0043E9C1/0/405002251 | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smhar: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications | 17:23 |
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| Venemo | khertan, ping | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ...and fapman is known to break things every now and then | 17:27 |
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| Venemo | khertan, how hard would it be to enable KhtEditor to run C files? | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo Venemo | 17:28 |
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| Venemo | hey DocScrutinizer :) | 17:29 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, moo to you too | 17:29 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, how're you? | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | lobotomised, coffe doesn't kick in | 17:30 |
| smhar | thanks docscrutinizer | 17:30 |
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| smhar | I am using fapman with PR1.3, but why do I see packages with pr1.2 in their names? | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | because of fapman being broken by design | 17:31 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, so? | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | fapman is fast just because it's lazy on a lot of things that HAM takes care of | 17:31 |
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| chx | that's a really unfortunate name for an application manager. | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually you get away with being lazy on such things like rebuilding dependencies tree after every single pkg install, and also checking dependencies of all pkg explicitly and implicitly installed prior to starting with first install. But sometimes fapman simply fscks up the system | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chx: I start to like it, it seems appropriate ;-D | 17:36 |
| smhar | it is time then to uninstall it | 17:36 |
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| smhar | it seems my best option is apt | 17:36 |
| sandst1 | lolcat: http://source.android.com/porting/dalvik.html | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smhar: some braindamaged pkgs like e.g starhash-enabler (blush) are so weird they don't install at all under apt, they need HAM | 17:38 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, so for normal use, it is apt, for weird stuff it is HAM | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, the project lead of those pkgs (starhash, h-e-n) is a real moron and should've seen the issue right away | 17:40 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, so, fapman is horseshit. that's no news. | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: yep | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | um, I packaged hen, it works fine from apt | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get install hostmode-gui | 17:41 |
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| MohammadAG | also, what's wrong with starhash-enabler? | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the project lead of h-e-n should have vetoed on the insane requester popping up on X | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | buzzword i2ctools | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | *# simply fals when installed via apt-get on a root account without run-standalone.sh | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | but it installs fine from apt ;) | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | i2ctools pops up a requester on X that's for sure not always the xterm screen you're running apt on | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might run apt to install i2ctools on a machine that *has no* X | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | not yet at least | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *# simply fails - probably because of the dbus-send notifiers used to introduce eyecandy | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | user root's session bus is not always (actually never) the same as user user's session bus | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so, depending on whether you used root or sudo gainroot, install in apt will fail or work | 17:48 |
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| MohammadAG | but there's run-standalone.sh | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | meaning it should work both ways | 17:49 |
| Venemo | bb, will be back | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | if the idiot 'developing' *# had taken care of it, yes | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: i2ctools otoh isn't just rising a notifier, it's actually waiting to accept a requester, which might pop up on a device with broken LCD sitting room next door, and operated via wlan ssh exclusively | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'm aware this is really hard to fix | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | CTRL+C I think | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | I don't think I made it check for exit code = 0 | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, this will abort, not continue ;-D | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | so if you're lucky, that will ... oh | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | well | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | it's actually very easy to fix | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | kick that requester :-D | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | echo -e "#!/bin/sh\n\nEcho 'Bla bla'" > /usr/bin/maemo-confirm-text | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | s/Echo/echo/ | 17:55 |
| Jonne | hey, i'm having issues getting the mobile hotspot thing to work. is this the right channel to get help on this? | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: heh | 17:55 |
| Jonne | basically my laptop doesn't get an ip address from the n900 | 17:56 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the question would be why sshd sets DISPLAY | 17:56 |
| javispedro | probably because of the evil .profile scripts... | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, does it? is this relevant here? | 17:57 |
| javispedro | without display, maemo-confirm-text would... "crash gracefully". | 17:57 |
| javispedro | s/display/$DISPLAY | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is not about X forwarding, it's about a mere terminal on a remote machine | 17:58 |
| javispedro | yes, so DISPLAY should be unset. | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | gracefully? | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | good point | 17:58 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: gracefully as in "let's hope the script has an exit 0 below the call to maemo-display-text" | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | hah | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, usually you want the host's DISPLAY on remote sessions, to start up things on host's X | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | but that isn't true by default | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | (on proper systems) | 18:00 |
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| MohammadAG | even MeeGo does it right | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | does what? | 18:01 |
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| javispedro | not set $DISPLAY in a ssh remote session | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | ^ | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever it is, it's a problem of ssh pkg | 18:03 |
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| MohammadAG | ssh package shouldn't f with my .profile ;) | 18:04 |
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| javispedro | Yeah, I do not think it's a problem of ssh perse, more maemo's. | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, ssh should come with a proper profile for ssh login | 18:05 |
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| javispedro | the only other unix I know that does this is... | 18:05 |
| javispedro | surprise surprise, Interix. | 18:05 |
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| diazo | hi there | 18:06 |
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| diazo | does anybody know if there will be a new kernel for maemo? | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, it seems to me the short term fix is to add a `unset DISPLAY` to my apt-get wrapper script | 18:07 |
| BCMM | diazo: an official one from nokia? hahaha. unofficial ones? see kernel-power | 18:07 |
| javispedro | actually, for "newer" kernels, you should look for meego. | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | which probably still will cause *# install to break | 18:07 |
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| diazo | BCMM: kernel-power is too old | 18:08 |
| BCMM | yeah, hadn't realised it's still a .28 | 18:08 |
| diazo | uhm maego | 18:08 |
| diazo | maego kernel instead? | 18:08 |
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| javispedro | there will be no newer maemo kernels. | 18:08 |
| BCMM | what is the technical barrier to updating kernel-power to a more recent upstream kernel? | 18:08 |
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| javispedro | BCMM: user space breakage. | 18:09 |
| javispedro | _closed_ user space breakage. | 18:09 |
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| BCMM | javispedro: huh. how come? | 18:09 |
| javispedro | and lots of patches to forward port (however, meego already has some of them partially done) | 18:09 |
| diazo | uhm | 18:09 |
| BCMM | actual userspace breakage, not just binary drivers that are compiled against a specific kernel version? | 18:09 |
| diazo | so is it very hard? | 18:09 |
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| javispedro | diazo: obviously, it all depends on your amount of free time.. but yes, it requires something more than a "make" =) | 18:10 |
| javispedro | BCMM: yes. there are no binary drivers in maemo! | 18:10 |
| diazo | javispedro: got it.. | 18:10 |
| BCMM | javispedro: out of interest, where are the userspace breakages? | 18:10 |
| BCMM | i mean, what has changed so dramatically? | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | sysfs | 18:11 |
| BCMM | or is it just something stupid like a renamed sysfs interface? | 18:11 |
| diazo | thx for the info :) | 18:11 |
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| MohammadAG | get mce, bme, modem driver, SGX driver, port 2.6.37 and you'll have a new kernel | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | question is, is it worth it? | 18:12 |
| javispedro | BCMM: you should ask meego-arm, but not even the stock n900 bme booted, they had a special nokia version made for them. | 18:12 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: so what's the deal with the modem driver and so on? the kernel appears untainted... | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel devels are funny people, the obviously *love* to mess up sysfs names for every minor kernel revision | 18:18 |
| ruskie | naturally | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so no devels will miss they released a new kernel and all the work they did to improve it ;-P | 18:19 |
| javispedro | ahaha, I just remembered there was that wiki page detailing the experience you had in OM with some sysfs breakage :D | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ""wow, cool!! the 3rd new kernel with changed sysfs this week. Those guys are awesome. Now my app will not feel silly anymore using /sys/bar/foo, it can use /sys/foo/bar now - GREAT!"" | 18:20 |
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| javispedro | and this is why should write all of the sysfs code in javascript. | 18:22 |
| javispedro | because when the APIs are on wheels.. | 18:22 |
| BCMM | no, this is why one needs to modify the string literals in the BME binary :) | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | or get the meego bme | 18:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer waits for /sys/*/LEDs/vibrator/brightness getting renamed to /sys/*/LEDs_et_al/vibrators/1/dim | 18:23 | |
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| * javispedro hits diazo for asking on #meego wheter "someone had tried meego on the n900" | 18:23 | |
| MohammadAG | leds already changed to something unreadable | 18:24 |
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| diazo | javispedro: ?_? | 18:24 |
| javispedro | is there anyone who hasn't tried meego on the n900 =) | 18:24 |
| javispedro | raise your hands | 18:24 |
| diazo | :D | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | meeeee! | 18:25 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer, don't. | 18:25 |
| javispedro | hah, I knew it. | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:25 |
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| E0x | me | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm never watching splatter movies either ;-D | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no use for that kind of thrill | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | MeeGo on the N900's great... | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | ...for making you appreciate Maemo 5 ;-) | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh YEAH | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | lmao | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually, the way you put it, I agree | 18:27 |
| ZogG | USA presidents : ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☻ | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | that's racist :p | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 18:28 |
| ZogG | is it? | 18:28 |
| ZogG | is it MohammadAG | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't know there were black smileys anyway | 18:28 |
| ZogG | i think it's racist of you thinking it's racist | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 18:28 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: excellent work on MWKN as per usual ;) | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | is it racism to state " MohammadAG is an Arab" | 18:29 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, there are no black smilies, only afrom-smilies | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: thanks to GAN900 as well then | 18:29 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, damn, it makes CSSU unkosher =( | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, arabs aren't a race :p | 18:29 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, lol | 18:30 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: yes, I was reading the symbian stuff atm though :) | 18:30 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, actually they are | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: as colored people aren't | 18:30 |
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| BCMM | ZogG: depends who you count as an arab, to some extent | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | now I tend to declare this topic to be political, and politics are a ban'able subject, except on ##politics | 18:32 |
| BCMM | but surely it's much closer to a cultural identity | 18:32 |
| BCMM | ok | 18:32 |
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| ZogG | Arab people also known as "Arabs" (Arabic: عرب, ʿarab) are an ethnic group primarily living in the Arab World which is located in West Asia and North Africa. They identify as such on one or more of genealogical, linguistic, or cultural grounds.,[12] with tribal affiliations, and intra-tribal relationships playing an important part of Arab identity in tracing descendant of a national from an Arab state.[13] | 18:33 |
| ZogG | wikipedia | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | I lost the bottom microB toolbar | 18:33 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Ah, I'll take the credit there :-) | 18:33 |
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| javispedro | omg freenode has a #politics channel? | 18:34 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, sorry to say but i think you shoud rethink and redo it =( | 18:34 |
| * javispedro ponders if it's a trap before trying to join =) | 18:34 | |
| ZogG | maybe hjolding on light-detector or something liek that | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | redo what o_O | 18:34 |
| ZogG | as it always pop-up unwanted =( | 18:34 |
| rjeo | why having this discussion here? | 18:34 |
| ZogG | mediabar | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | I said microB, not mediabar | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | it's open source anyway | 18:35 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, oh sorry, misunderstood, but still i mean it about mediabar | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | rjeo: I'm about to stop it right now | 18:35 |
| rjeo | DocScrutinizer: it would be great :) | 18:35 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, are you going to selfban? | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | for now, the mediaplayer's my priority | 18:36 |
| ZogG | rjeo, are you jealous that you are nothing special liek MohammadAG to talk about? =) | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: OT policy: nothing is OT until somebody complains it is. From then on everybody has to consider what it actually is and act accordingly | 18:36 |
| BCMM | this is the internet. you are all computers, until you pass the Turing test. | 18:36 |
| rjeo | ZogG: i rather see joins/parts than a silly discussion that have nothing to do with the channel subject | 18:37 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, and it would be clever choice, but just saying that you know | 18:37 |
| BCMM | (computers do not have races) | 18:37 |
| ZogG | BCMM, do you have intel or amd/ | 18:37 |
| ZogG | here you go | 18:37 |
| BCMM | ZogG: you're asking that *here* of all places? | 18:37 |
| BCMM | ARM! | 18:37 |
| rjeo | haha | 18:38 |
| ZogG | good one | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | toggles_: also my comment should serve as a 'first warning' in sense of IRC rules | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry toggles_ | 18:38 |
| ZogG | i would love my N900 more if it wasn't ARM but it was caleld ARGGGG | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: ^^^ | 18:38 |
| javispedro | asking if you have intel or amd is racism. | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: rjeo 's comment is a second warning | 18:39 |
| javispedro | so let's talk about something more family friendly, like wheter why hasn't DocScrutinizer installed Meego on his N900 ;) | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | simple answer: I need a working device | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | I <3 Hildon | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | that as well | 18:40 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer got his brightness applet and plays cool now, huh? man i have all logs so don't make me release " DocScrutinizer is a sissy" to wikileaks =) | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 18:41 |
| ZogG | oh, have anyone managed to link boost to Nokia SDK ? | 18:41 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, did you file specific targetted bugs when you did your tests? Or at least check where they are | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, any plans to send a merge request for tree view mode? | 18:41 |
| lcuk | ecause obviously getting the right things fixed helps the DeveloperEdition greatly | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | libboost? err libbloat | 18:42 |
| BCMM | gah, boost | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: In Qt Creator? No, I'm going to. | 18:42 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, not working as common packages | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess RAM of N900 is too small for the lib alone | 18:42 |
| BCMM | the ultimate dependency-trolling | 18:42 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, I meant when you just said about using MeeGo on n900 | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Oh, yes. | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: But it was ages ago, I've not given it a fair shake and was commenting for humourous/FUD (delete as appropriate) effect | 18:43 |
| BCMM | i hate it when one tries to install some tiny, tiny utility and it depends on something insane like boost or V | 18:43 |
| BCMM | Java, rather | 18:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: LOL | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | what's boost? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | boost, the better/next c++ | 18:45 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, well yes, FUD would be the one in this case, there is a lot of work by very dedicated people trying to ensure that MeeGo on handsets works well | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | what does it do? | 18:45 |
| lcuk | and since the N900 is the defacto prototype for this | 18:45 |
| ZogG | BCMM, i was serious about boost | 18:45 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: (thanks. i kept it non-political by not mentioning libgnome :p) | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like Qt^3 | 18:46 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: it's a huge library of everything | 18:46 |
| javispedro | boost? It's like if someone just discovered templates is a turing complete language and decided to play with it. | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | *EVERYTHING* | 18:47 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: maths functions, common algorithms, etc. | 18:47 |
| ZogG | it is used in one lib i'm using for my app, but i can't link it =( | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | oh, so it's the new memtest | 18:47 |
| BCMM | a way to make C++ have a function for everything | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | libboost-regex, libboost-fartplayback | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | even doDishes()? | 18:47 |
| * ZogG learned something today — you can't over troll ops =) | 18:48 | |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer is there special older than 18 liciense for kinky functions? | 18:49 |
| BCMM | ZogG: because ops kick *slightly before* they rage? | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably, ZogG | 18:49 |
| BCMM | heh | 18:49 |
| ZogG | but seriosly does anyone linked it? | 18:49 |
| ZogG | did* | 18:50 |
| BCMM | on my desktop, boost has over 15k files | 18:50 |
| ZogG | there is boost in extras | 18:50 |
| BCMM | and that doesn't include docs or boost-build | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the pkg ize? | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | once I needed to build noost from source, it ate several GB of my disk | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and took like one day to build | 18:51 |
| ZogG | i dunno | 18:51 |
| ZogG | i have boost and boost-buld from source | 18:51 |
| BCMM | it's worse than building firefox. | 18:51 |
| ZogG | gentoo ftw | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, blindtyping practice on IRC | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~slap DocScrutinizer | 18:52 |
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| newbie007 | would it be possible to connect a device to the n900 which would serve as an external touchscreen? I'd like the n900 to be the brains for a touch screen device that has multitouch capabilities | 18:52 |
| ZogG | BCMM, nothing is worser thn building firefox or chromium | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot???? | 18:52 |
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| BCMM | ZogG: i take it you use a binary openoffice :) | 18:52 |
| crashanddie_ | newbie007: the performance would be horrendous though | 18:52 |
| BCMM | nothing, at all, is ever worse than the openoffice build process | 18:52 |
| ZogG | BCMM, haha, no way | 18:52 |
| ZogG | BCMM, LibreOffice now | 18:52 |
| BCMM | yeah, i hear they plan to clean it up | 18:52 |
| crashanddie_ | newbie007: either you have to go through bluetooth, which drains the battery, or wifi, which has crappy latency (especially with PSM), or USB, which impedes mobility | 18:53 |
| BCMM | gentoo forces -j1 for oo.o | 18:53 |
| newbie007 | LibreOffice is better imho | 18:53 |
| ZogG | why would i? | 18:53 |
| BCMM | the build process is too fragile for parallel compilation for some reason | 18:53 |
| ZogG | BCMM, Daniel Robbinson uses -j12 on his "box" | 18:53 |
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| newbie007 | I see, thanks | 18:53 |
| BCMM | ZogG: how many cores does it have? | 18:53 |
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| ZogG | 2 dual xens cpu's =) | 18:54 |
| BCMM | ZogG: what i meant was that regardless of make.conf, app-office/openoffice builds with -j1 so it doesn't break | 18:54 |
| newbie007 | just that my n900 is a waay better device OS/app wise than this other new device I have which is larger and has a faster chip. Doesn't have the gps, camera etc.. | 18:54 |
| ZogG | BCMM, i lied, let me quote "This is on a Dell R710 - dual Xeon 5530's - 16 threads, 8 cores..." | 18:55 |
| BCMM | weeeee | 18:55 |
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| ZogG | http://forums.funtoo.org/viewtopic.php?pid=127#p127 | 18:56 |
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| newbie007 | could my n900 connect to the internet via 3g then supply a connet to the internet via wifi ? | 18:56 |
| newbie007 | ".................supply a *connection to the internet wia wifi ?" | 18:57 |
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| BCMM | newbie007: yes | 18:58 |
| BCMM | newbie007: mobilehotspot provides a nice GUI for doing that | 18:58 |
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| orangey | Wow. I feel quite in despair over Nokia's recent moves | 18:59 |
| orangey | tragic | 18:59 |
| BCMM | newbie007: note that it requires kernel-power, iirc due to lack of NAT capability in the default kernel | 18:59 |
| BCMM | (no netfilter at all, i think) | 18:59 |
| ruskie | the cssu should add a everything relevant to that kernel setup imo... | 19:00 |
| ruskie | atleast as a more advanced base kernel | 19:01 |
| ruskie | so that things don't need to rely on the power-kernel for such things | 19:01 |
| n1x0n | #meego-arm | 19:01 |
| n1x0n | fail | 19:01 |
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| BCMM | n1x0n: ? | 19:03 |
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| n1x0n | BCMM: nah just a fail with not puttin /j before channel name ;P | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 19:05 |
| apt | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | @ops, please kick apt as soon as infobot joins | 19:07 |
| mece | who's apt? | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | (though I guess that'll not happen) | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt is infobot's alter ego | 19:08 |
| mece | that douche! | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: /whois apt | 19:08 |
| mece | ye got it already | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | not who's abp? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt* | 19:09 |
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| [criipt] | I searched alot for a solution, But I still can't find a way to block 3.5G on my n900. | 19:11 |
| lcuk | [criipt], a lead lined case helps. | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | when Tim Riker reboots, apt probably will /quit prior to infobot joining here | 19:11 |
| [criipt] | =P | 19:11 |
| [criipt] | I want to use 3G though. | 19:11 |
| [criipt] | Just 3.5G i want to block. | 19:11 |
| newbie007 | BCMM: Thanks | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: that's impossible | 19:11 |
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| MohammadAG | I think the operator decides what you want | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | grr | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | [criipt]: ^^^ | 19:12 |
| [criipt] | MohammadAG, Well, there is this applet to switch between 2G and 3G. | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry crashanddie_ | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | 2G and 3G are different | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | [criipt]: x.5 is x.0 with enhanced parameters | 19:12 |
| [criipt] | huh.. DocScrutinizer, Nokia cells allow you to switch between utms and HSDP right ! why not possible on n900. | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't block .5 without blocking .0 as well | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | Most Nokia phones I've used only allow 2G or 3(.5)G | 19:13 |
| [criipt] | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG , Reason, Im doing this is cause. My plan is for 3G alone. and the moment it switched to 3.5G the speeds drop ridiculously low. | 19:13 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: sorry? | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 19:14 |
| newbie007 | I think if maemo was ported (perhaps pirated) over to some of these android driven machines then users would start dropping andoid and maemo would take off | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: for ETAB | 19:14 |
| crashanddie_ | wut? | 19:14 |
| [criipt] | DocScrutinizer, Darn =( | 19:14 |
| jacekowski | [criipt]: it's same thing | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG | newbie007, port debian and hildon-desktop, it's easier | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie_: that's impossible <- was meant to [criipt] | 19:14 |
| javispedro | pirated =) | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, lol | 19:15 |
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| javispedro | well | 19:16 |
| javispedro | the top two games in android's app store most sold items list are gpl violations, so maybe "Pirated" was the right word there. | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could 'pirate' all the blobs - if you could :-P | 19:17 |
| javispedro | ;P | 19:17 |
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| * DocScrutinizer too | 19:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer | /topic ! | 19:19 |
| javispedro | I'm not sure those deadlines are viable anymore. | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the topic is: | 19:20 |
| lcuk | Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://mxr.maemo.org/ http://maemo.gitorious.org/ http://meego.gitorious.org/ | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Just one more week to council elections! http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_community_council_elections_approaching/ | 19:20 |
| javispedro | lcuk: botsnack! ;) | 19:20 |
| lcuk | sometimes it helps :P | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sometimes it also helps to actually read it | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp the last |* I added some two days ago | 19:21 |
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| lcuk | I pasted it for others to see | 19:22 |
| lcuk | :P | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 19:22 |
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| lcuk | the topic is there but it is a very long string and irc clients often only show a single line | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | time to upgrade some clients | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my xchat actually hides it completely | 19:23 |
| javispedro | this channel's #topic has always been too long | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | /topic however should work on all clients | 19:24 |
| javispedro | yet I'm not sure what I would remove. | 19:24 |
| javispedro | er.. | 19:24 |
| javispedro | s/\//#/ | 19:24 |
| FauxFaux | Pretty much all clients print the topic in response to /topic, don't they? | 19:24 |
| javispedro | damn. | 19:24 |
| FauxFaux | Tinyurl time. | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | I'd remove maemo.nokia.com :) | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | bit.ly is shorter | 19:24 |
| javispedro | url shorteners are for pussies | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | hah | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | also, why are meego sources in the topic? | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: just about every chan's topic tends to be too long | 19:25 |
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| javispedro | look at the top #10, in users. | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: because these are in fact maemo sources ;-P | 19:25 |
| FauxFaux | MohammadAG: http://tinyarro.ws/ ¬_¬ | 19:25 |
| javispedro | maemo is longest of all top 40 channels or so | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | I don't open sites ending with .ws :P | 19:26 |
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| javispedro | it is also virtually second longest of the top #1000 channels =) | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't open any URL that's not clear about what it is | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: that's just since I ruthlessly truncated the #openmoko* topics :-D | 19:27 |
| javispedro | we should just set a shorter topic inspired by some other channels topic | 19:28 |
| javispedro | like "More wag, less bark" | 19:28 |
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| maybeArgh | more waaagh? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, most of the topic is heritage, possibly from channel owner/founder | 19:28 |
| javispedro | "Insert credit to continue" =) | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm reluctant to do heavy editing on it | 19:29 |
| javispedro | same -- <javispedro> yet I'm not sure what I would remove. | 19:29 |
| lcuk | "Patches welcome" | 19:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | me again | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | he again! | 19:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | i feel bad about bugging people, but ping Venemo =0 | 19:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer, whenu wasn't here javispedro was laughting about me =( | 19:31 |
| javispedro | are you alligoodidea/govprog? then no, I wasn't :P | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooohnoes, I missed a laugh | 19:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | my friend is doing CPU's at intel (he got job) but he is unwilling to bring me some i7's home =( | 19:33 |
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| javispedro | well, Intel is large you know, probably only marketing guys get that ;) | 19:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | acuyally he told they only make chips with no box and pins | 19:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | like only the inside of CPUs | 19:36 |
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| javispedro | while on the topic of the /topic, maybe we could remove the Source: section and add it to ChanServ's welcome to this channel msg. | 19:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | i hate word boost as google get it wrong | 19:37 |
| javispedro | also maemo.nokia.com link, which, as flashy and cool the site is, hasn't been updated in ages. | 19:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | | http://maemo.nokia.com/ — that is irrilevant as there we have old info | 19:37 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i propose one wiki page for IRC with important info like maemo council link, maemo link at nokia and some rules and here in topic only most important hot topics | 19:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | like PR1.4 is comming out soon | 19:39 |
| javispedro | people, vote! | 19:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | +over9000 | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: chanserv welcome frequently gets lost in login chat of client | 19:40 |
| javispedro | ok... | 19:40 |
| javispedro | so I'd take ZogG_laptop 's idea and make "Exploring Maemo's source" wiki page entry point | 19:40 |
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| javispedro | that would probably be even better than the current links... | 19:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | but topic whould be like "Welcome to the official maemo community, if't your first time check wiki.maemo.org/IRC. | This week new Qt was released | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: appreciated | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_laptop's idea has quite some appeal | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...if we can lock that page | 19:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | where first one would be static with maemo wiki link about IRC and maybe maemo link and second part is dynamic | 19:42 |
| _|Nix|_ | Hey! Has anyone successfully used fMMS? I'm trying tosend a picture taken with my N900 and it keeps timing out. Will it start to work if I set it to a smaller picture size? | 19:42 |
| andre__ | try and report back? | 19:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think we should elect DocScrutinizer as the topic master and he should update topic every hour from mwkn twitter =) | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 19:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | _|Nix|_, you sould try, worked for me | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | just because I'm a bot doesn't mean I'm acting like a script | 19:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | you don't? | 19:44 |
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| ZogG_laptop | so why did you try "sudo make love" on me last evening here? | 19:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | i' desperate | 19:45 |
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| MohammadAG | cause he knew the user wasn't in sudoers | 19:45 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, don't help him out of this one | 19:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm stuck with my client | 19:46 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and i wanted to implant 2 last things before i make 0.0.1 release and up it to extra-extra-devel-devil | 19:46 |
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| merlin1991 | -deve-devil what's that for, compiling vb script to c and do random echos to kmem? | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | defcon1, Pinky err ZogG_laptop has a plan to conquer the world | 19:53 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i don't plan, i just put the aim and do it | 19:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how about a nice game of chess? | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | sigh @ email on maemo-developers | 19:56 |
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| javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | 19:56 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Just one more week to council elections! http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_community_council_elections_approaching/" | 19:58 | |
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| javispedro | ok, /topic topic is now shorter than #freenode 's ; I guess that's OK for me =) | 20:00 |
| * javispedro adds CSSU gitorious page to the list | 20:01 | |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro, and cssu chan than | 20:01 |
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| javispedro | that would be for the IRC page, let's keep Sources for sources. | 20:02 |
| javispedro | I think it should also be reference from the "Development" tab in maemo.org | 20:02 |
| javispedro | it's getting outdated. | 20:02 |
| javispedro | *referenced. | 20:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh i thought that one was for irc | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if it were for irc, then I'd shorten the topic more radically | 20:11 |
| javispedro | yes, though I'm not sure if there's any better page for that than "maemo.org" itself. | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the council landing page is kinda errr hostile? At least it's not a page about who and what is council | 20:12 |
| javispedro | yes, it is a news page after all | 20:13 |
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| javispedro | the "what the hell it is" page is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 20:13 |
| Jaffa | Cos http://maemo.org/community/council/ is the news feed (as midgard seems to call it) | 20:13 |
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| javispedro | ouch, wiki's rss feed is failing. | 20:15 |
| javispedro | *rss feed import thing | 20:15 |
| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Just one more week to council elections! http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_community_council_elections_approaching/" | 20:15 | |
| javispedro | (I mean http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Recent_blog_posts ) | 20:15 |
| * javispedro just tried resubmitting it to see if it invoked a refresh but no.. | 20:16 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Just one more week to council elections! http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_community_council_elections_approaching/" | 20:16 | |
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| * javispedro thinks the irc entry point page doesn't look that good: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Javispedro/IRC_Entry_Point | 20:22 | |
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| javispedro | maybe a IRC FAQ page, like there's http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ and http://wiki.maemo.org/User_FAQ ;) | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 20:26 |
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| Venemo | hmm | 20:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, =) | 20:29 |
| Venemo | both Thunerbird on my laptop and Modest on my N900 are set to put my sent mail into the Sent folder. still, I don't see messages sent from N900 in Thunderbird, nor messages sent from laptop in Modest | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, not actually. It's too lengthy and dynamic. The maemo.org/IRC landing zone should just duplicate the topic as is, maybe with a bit elaborated wording, and including/referring a few IRC guidelines. For the rest just link to the relevant webpages | 20:29 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, how's your project? :) | 20:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, terrible | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: so your first shot was a better hit | 20:30 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, did u built something with boost? can't link it | 20:31 |
| Sc0rpius | Venemo, Sent emails from Modest are stored in a local N900 Sent folder | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | though it really doesn't look good yet | 20:31 |
| Sc0rpius | and Modest doesn't support to save your Sent mails in your remote folder | 20:31 |
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| Sc0rpius | and yes, it would be nice if someday it does that | 20:31 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I haven't | 20:32 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: if you tell me how to put that xmms thingy on my Fedora, I'll put together a quick demo | 20:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo just install it | 20:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | xmms2 is the name | 20:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://xmms2.org/wiki/Download_XMMS2 | 20:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | here are the links | 20:36 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: sorry | 20:42 |
| Venemo | ZogG: this shit keeps freezing | 20:42 |
| Venemo | ZogG: http://fpaste.org/75IO/ -> which are the ones I need? | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, http://xmms2.org/wiki/Download_XMMS2 here are links | 20:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | under fedora section | 20:43 |
| AsiQue | hey all, is there any xterm available in the sdk (when runing xypher) or can i use scratchboxe's terminal for it? | 20:43 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I won't install random tarballs if there are packages in the repo | 20:44 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: just please tell me which packages I need | 20:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, u need pulse, mp3, xmms2 | 20:46 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok | 20:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | and pulse if u use pulseaudio | 20:47 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: okay | 20:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, u may want gxmms2 as GUI for this, and xmms2-devel for api/client libs | 20:49 |
| Venemo | ookay | 20:50 |
| Macer | why is the 3G to 3.5G handoff so horrible | 20:52 |
| Macer | every time maemo swaps over i get ahiccup | 20:52 |
| Macer | it is driving me nuts. i have to keep dropping it to 2G | 20:53 |
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| ds3 | what problem do you see on the 3G to 3.5G handoff? | 20:54 |
| ds3 | I see a smooth hand off from 2G to 2.5G to 3G to 3.5G | 20:55 |
| Macer | it hiccups | 20:55 |
| Macer | ssh especially | 20:55 |
| Macer | sometimes it doesn't come back | 20:56 |
| ds3 | where geographically are you? | 20:56 |
| Macer | when i am in an area where it keeps going back and forth | 20:56 |
| Macer | chicago | 20:56 |
| Macer | i have a strong signal. | 20:57 |
| ds3 | *nod* I was just there a few weeks ago | 20:57 |
| Macer | but i guess it falls right under the 3.5G threshold | 20:57 |
| ds3 | Chicago proper or outlying suburbs? | 20:57 |
| Macer | back and forth.... then it keeps doing the hiccup | 20:57 |
| Macer | city | 20:57 |
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| ds3 | odd | 20:58 |
| Macer | also. the video chatting over 3G seems kind of crappy... it will work... but seems almost like tmob is filtering it | 20:58 |
| Macer | even in other cities... houston did the same thing.. so did seattle | 20:58 |
| ds3 | the only weakcoverage outside ofa bldg was way down south in the 100st area (near Ford City mall) | 20:58 |
| Macer | and there arent too many phones that do the sorts of awesome stuff the n900 does. like video chatting over gtalk | 20:59 |
| Macer | hope meego is able to video chat :) | 20:59 |
| Macer | that one is kind of a deal breaker for me | 20:59 |
| Sc0rpius | Meego is dead | 21:00 |
| ds3 | I have seen weird stuff when I am roaming (going from TMO to a roaming carrier) | 21:00 |
| Macer | Sc0rpius: no it isn't | 21:00 |
| Macer | the n900 team is still trying to work on it | 21:00 |
| Sc0rpius | it's totally dead, I'm amazed people still think there will be a device using Meego | 21:00 |
| Macer | heh | 21:00 |
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| Sc0rpius | and Meego on the n900 = TOTAL fail | 21:01 |
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| Macer | yah. but that is nokia/ti's fault | 21:01 |
| Macer | they roadblocked their own os :) | 21:01 |
| rm_work | is that just for now, or will it never work properly due to closed drivers or some such? | 21:01 |
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| Macer | but some people are still trying to get it working on the n900 but i dont see it any time soon | 21:01 |
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| rm_work | is the Mer project still alive? | 21:02 |
| Macer | rm_work: seems like the closed drivers are the largest issue | 21:02 |
| Venemo | rm_work: no | 21:02 |
| Macer | no. mer died a while back | 21:02 |
| rm_work | :( | 21:02 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't think that's the issue | 21:02 |
| rm_work | did it die once Stskeeps went to work for Nokia? lol | 21:02 |
| Macer | nitdroid would be pretty good for an n810 | 21:02 |
| Sc0rpius | so the real solution to everybody's problem is | 21:02 |
| Sc0rpius | instead of trying to make something useless as Meego work | 21:03 |
| Macer | Sc0rpius: i do | 21:03 |
| rm_work | i worked on Mer basically for 3 days during the Maemo/Mozilla hackfest last year | 21:03 |
| Macer | if meego had a dull working n900 driver set it would have taken off by now | 21:03 |
| Sc0rpius | they should work to make Maemo better. | 21:03 |
| rm_work | err, year and a half ago maybe? whatever | 21:03 |
| Venemo | rm_work: no, sts abandoned it a while before he joined MeeGo | 21:03 |
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| Macer | dull/full | 21:03 |
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| rm_work | hrm, sad | 21:03 |
| ds3 | is Sts still working for Nokia on meego? | 21:03 |
| Venemo | ds3, ask him | 21:04 |
| javispedro | yes.. | 21:04 |
| Macer | Sc0rpius: i think the biggest problem with meego is that it tried to become its own thing | 21:04 |
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| Macer | had it been dedicated to the n900 then it could have been done alreasdy | 21:05 |
| RST38h | HELO punks | 21:05 |
| Macer | but they wanted to add the hardware into the actual linux arm kernel | 21:05 |
| Venemo | RST38h: I'm not a punk | 21:05 |
| Macer | in hopes that meego would be a portable distro | 21:05 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Ok then, you have not been greeted. | 21:06 |
| Macer | they should have concentrated on just using the existing maemo base on the n900 and at least showed the world something worth using that was fully functional on a device | 21:06 |
| Sc0rpius | hehe | 21:07 |
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| Macer | instead of worrying about a future distribution... nobody likes waiting to see how something is when you have android on the forefront | 21:07 |
| Sc0rpius | well only an N900 owner would say something like that hehe | 21:07 |
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| vi___ | yo | 21:07 |
| Macer | probably ;) | 21:07 |
| Sc0rpius | but yeah they should have released a device with Meego on it sooner | 21:07 |
| Sc0rpius | now it's too late | 21:07 |
| Venemo | Macer: they have been using the existing maemo base for Maemo 6, called Harmattan | 21:08 |
| Macer | the only way to truly save the project would be to finish it | 21:08 |
| vi___ | what is the password for root user when using backupmenu 0.62 ssh? | 21:08 |
| Sc0rpius | without big companies paying big salaries, it's unlikely it'll be ever finished | 21:08 |
| Macer | Venemo: i meant the existing base as far as a kernel and modules go.. even a chroot would have been better than this long dragged out port | 21:09 |
| Venemo | Sc0rpius: intel does | 21:09 |
| Sc0rpius | Intel just wants to put Intel Atoms on phones | 21:09 |
| vi___ | anyone? i have tried the user password and root password | 21:09 |
| vi___ | wtf is it? | 21:09 |
| Sc0rpius | that's why they were involved in this | 21:09 |
| Macer | Sc0rpius: i disagree. the problem is the lack of a finished driver set or a good openlike device to put it on | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Yes, more atoms in phones! | 21:09 |
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| Sc0rpius | I know you are all optimistic and stuff | 21:10 |
| * RST38h politely suggests omitting the word "open" from discussion: neither companies nor end users are interested in the "open" | 21:10 | |
| Sc0rpius | even though I don't think I will ever see a Meego device | 21:10 |
| Sc0rpius | the contract says Nokia has to release at least ONE Meego device | 21:10 |
| Sc0rpius | and that's the N950 everybody has been talking about lately | 21:10 |
| Macer | so it just turns into the same rproblem mer had :) | 21:10 |
| Macer | lack of hardware | 21:10 |
| RST38h | They are interested in a comfortable, feature complete, supported platform though | 21:10 |
| frals | Sc0rpius: what contract? | 21:11 |
| Venemo | what the f? | 21:11 |
| Venemo | N950 is not a MeeGo device | 21:11 |
| Sc0rpius | the Nokia - Intel contract about Meego | 21:11 |
| Macer | RST38h: haha | 21:11 |
| Macer | i said "openlike" ;) | 21:11 |
| Sc0rpius | N950 is a Meego device | 21:11 |
| frals | Sc0rpius: and you know this how? | 21:11 |
| Venemo | Sc0rpius, no, it's a Maemo 6 device | 21:11 |
| frals | s/know/'know'/ | 21:11 |
| apt | frals meant: Sc0rpius: and you 'know' this how? | 21:11 |
| Sc0rpius | http://www.newsden.net/meego-powered-nokia-n9-will-be-replaced-by-n950-6982/ | 21:11 |
| Sc0rpius | all links in the world say that. | 21:11 |
| vi___ | anyone? | 21:12 |
| Sc0rpius | and N9 was cancelled | 21:12 |
| Venemo | Sc0rpius, that's because Maemo 6 is marketed as "MeeGo", remember? | 21:12 |
| Sc0rpius | Maemo 6 was never finished either | 21:12 |
| Sc0rpius | actually I prefer a new Maemo device than Meego devices. | 21:12 |
| Sc0rpius | but I'm pretty sure that will be a Meego device | 21:12 |
| vi___ | so no one here uses backup menu huh? | 21:13 |
| Sc0rpius | I do | 21:13 |
| vi___ | have you used the SSH feature yet? | 21:13 |
| * RST38h yawns: yes, it will be a Maemo6-based device,otherwose known as Harmattan | 21:13 | |
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| Venemo | RST38h ++ | 21:14 |
| Sc0rpius | nope | 21:14 |
| javispedro | EHLO RST38h | 21:14 |
| Sc0rpius | I just use it to backup | 21:14 |
| javispedro | RST38h: saw http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Can_QtQuick_create_a_Windows_Phone_Hub ;) | 21:14 |
| javispedro | ? | 21:14 |
| RST38h | All this "meego" stuff, related to it, is just smoke and mirrors from foribly misled Nokia PR department | 21:14 |
| vi___ | has ANYONE here used the SSH function of backup menu yet? | 21:14 |
| Venemo | RST38h ++ | 21:15 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Yea. I think it is a lot of fear+loathing and some mushrooms. | 21:15 |
| Macer | RST38h: agreed ;) | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st has, I bet | 21:15 |
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| Macer | it is all aboutwinmob in 11 | 21:15 |
| RST38h | Furthermore, I have no idea why everyone is so pumped up about "meego": unless you are a system developer, like Stskeeps,it makes no freaking difference whether you run your UI on top of Meego or Debian | 21:15 |
| Venemo | Macer: winmob is horseshit | 21:16 |
| Sc0rpius | well brb, I'm gonna install Win7 SP1 | 21:16 |
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| vi___ | well robbiethiest is not here... | 21:16 |
| RST38h | For systems people, the Meego/Maemo thing does make a bit of difference though | 21:16 |
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| vi___ | I am trying to access my device over ssh through backup menu. I can ping it (over usb) but when I try to log in it just says:Permission denied (publickey,password). | 21:16 |
| vi___ | which is total horsescock | 21:17 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: here is a bit more interesting piece: http://www.osnews.com/story/24452/Qt_Implementation_for_Android_Introduced | 21:18 |
| javispedro | old, and third-party.. | 21:19 |
| RST38h | I doubt we will see a first party implementation :) | 21:20 |
| rm_work | vi___: you sure it isn't set to the root password of your device? | 21:21 |
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| vi___ | I am pretty sure I have tried it about 500 times now | 21:22 |
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| vi___ | fuck it | 21:24 |
| vi___ | it also has mass-storage mode | 21:24 |
| vi___ | I can run a fsck on it from there | 21:25 |
| ZogG | Venemo, did you managed to install and launch ity? | 21:26 |
| * javispedro heard for the first time ever someone pronnounce "Tcl" "tickle". | 21:27 | |
| vi___ | <Venemo> Macer: winmob is horseshit | 21:27 |
| * vi___ concurs | 21:27 | |
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| Venemo | ZogG, yes | 21:27 |
| rm_work | vi___: "passwd command will update the root password, which changes BackupMenu's password by extension." | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Why? "tickle" is how it is pronounced,no? | 21:28 |
| Venemo | ZogG: and the app that you sent me works too | 21:29 |
| javispedro | RST38h: yes. cue confusion. | 21:29 |
| rm_work | vi___: according to his comment here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=867856 | 21:29 |
| javispedro | (including me; I didn't know better...) | 21:29 |
| rm_work | bbl | 21:30 |
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| ZogG | Venemo i know it does, but no title thing | 21:31 |
| Venemo | ZogG, I'm on it | 21:31 |
| ZogG | actually it shows title changes title only as it is lauched for the first time | 21:31 |
| ZogG | if you only could explain as well | 21:31 |
| ZogG | trying now with glib thing but don' | 21:32 |
| ZogG | t like the idea of using it | 21:32 |
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| ZogG | and on other hand can't link boost to switch to C++ | 21:32 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: just leave it to me | 21:33 |
| ZogG | that's not fun =( | 21:34 |
| ZogG | but at least will get app | 21:34 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, if you've never seen C/C++, I suggest you don't touch GLib/GObject :) | 21:41 |
| vi___ | thats what i though. But...it...just...doesnt...WORK! | 21:41 |
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| RST38h | In fact,do not touch Boost either | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | err, what's with vi___? | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Mohammad:He talks toomuch. | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | I.. see | 21:44 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: wait a few more minutes | 21:49 |
| ZogG | i'm here | 21:53 |
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| AsiQue | whos Andrew Flegg? | 21:56 |
| AsiQue | what's his nick here i mean :-) | 21:56 |
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| Venemo | AsiQue: Jaffa | 21:56 |
| AsiQue | tnx | 21:57 |
| Wizzup | I suppose I don't need a special cable for h-e-n? | 21:57 |
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| Venemo | Wizzup: you need a cable that can connect a microUSB female to a standard USB female | 21:59 |
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| Wizzup | Ah, true. | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 22:09 |
| apt | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 | 22:09 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: how can I add a song from my collection to xmms2? | 22:26 |
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| ZogG | Venemo just use xmms2 radd path/to/mp3s | 22:27 |
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| Venemo | ok ZogG | 22:27 |
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| ensonic | onion: ping | 22:28 |
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| ZogG | Venemo or if you installed gxmms2 you can just drag and drop | 22:33 |
| Venemo | ZogG: drag and drop doesn't work | 22:33 |
| Venemo | ZogG: I tried | 22:33 |
| Venemo | ZogG: seems that this stuff doesn't call back the callback correctly. | 22:34 |
| ZogG | lol | 22:35 |
| Venemo | it does call it back the first time I hit any of the buttons | 22:35 |
| Venemo | then sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't | 22:35 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: okay, it now call back okay, but still gives me bad values... | 22:37 |
| ZogG | you just need to get id in call back | 22:38 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: yes, and it doesn't give the right song title | 22:38 |
| ZogG | but it does give you id | 22:38 |
| Venemo | ZogG: when I jump to another song, it gives me the previous song's id | 22:39 |
| ZogG | but it does change id? | 22:39 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: I have 2 items in my playlist. I start the first, it gives correct id. I click "next", the next song starts playing and it gives the old one's id | 22:40 |
| Venemo | ZogG: then after that I click on stop or next, and it gives me the current id. | 22:40 |
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| ZogG | try to add third one | 22:40 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: it always gives the correct id only on the second callback... :S | 22:42 |
| ZogG | hmm | 22:42 |
| ZogG | mind to show how you did it | 22:42 |
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| MohammadAG | heh, media APIs are weird | 22:43 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, you are | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | MafwRenderer actually sends (unknown artist/album) and no album art even when I have them right from MafwSource | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, fuck off :P | 22:44 |
| ZogG | oh yeah | 22:44 |
| ZogG | give me with whom | 22:44 |
| Venemo | stop arguing, guys | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | we're not arguing lol | 22:44 |
| ZogG | are we? | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | at least not on IRC' | 22:45 |
| * ZogG hugs Venemo | 22:45 | |
| * MohammadAG drives to Tel-aviv | 22:45 | |
| ZogG | MohammadAG wanna meet? =) | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | AsiQue: You rang? | 22:46 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: also ZogG, it doesn't call back the callback when I start playing a different song from gxmms2 | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, don't think I could :P | 22:47 |
| ZogG | what? | 22:47 |
| Venemo | ZogG: but it works in the opposite direction, so it must be working somehow | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | delay the callback | 22:48 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: ha ha ha | 22:48 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: it always gives the id of the previous item, so I must be missing something | 22:48 |
| Venemo | ZogG: let's see the source code of gxmms2 | 22:48 |
| ZogG | Venemo, you mean opposite how? | 22:48 |
| ZogG | it's gtk | 22:48 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: if I jump to next/previous from your app, then gxmms2 will notice the change | 22:48 |
| ZogG | Venemo, did you use glib? | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | glib is a pita | 22:49 |
| ZogG | Venemo, lol | 22:49 |
| ZogG | Venemo, sure it is and it's not connected to you | 22:49 |
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| Venemo | ZogG, no | 22:51 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: the app itself uses gtk which uses glib, but it's not messed in with the xmms lib | 22:52 |
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| ZogG | Venemo i have several clients for xmms2 and they work not connected to eachother | 22:54 |
| ZogG | you can as well try xmms2 next from console | 22:54 |
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| ZogG | it should send you callback as song changed and doen't matter how | 22:54 |
| Venemo | ZogG: well gxmms2 can know when I manipulate stuff from your app | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | fucking SGX | 22:55 |
| Venemo | ZogG: anyway, I now definitely know that xmms sux | 22:55 |
| ZogG | haha it doesn't | 22:55 |
| Venemo | ZogG: I'll uninstall it as soon as I figured out this callback for you | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | isn't xmms what the N8x0 uses? | 22:56 |
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| ZogG | maybe first one | 22:57 |
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| Venemo | you know ZogG | 22:58 |
| kerio | did someone port gkrellm to the n900 yet? | 22:58 |
| Venemo | ZogG, I'm angry with you. | 22:58 |
| Venemo | ZogG: it took me 5 minutes of search to find this: http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/libxmms2qt/ | 22:58 |
| ZogG | no way | 22:58 |
| Venemo | ZogG: native Qt4 bindings for libxmms2 | 22:59 |
| ZogG | i don't have it | 23:00 |
| Venemo | ZogG: clone that repo, package that stuff and start using it | 23:00 |
| ZogG | Venemo, anyway you helped me here, you see | 23:02 |
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| ZogG | though i want to see your code | 23:02 |
| Venemo | okay | 23:02 |
| Venemo | moment | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 23:03 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: anyway, I think I'm missing something | 23:08 |
| Venemo | ZogG: I'll try something | 23:08 |
| ZogG | love ? =) | 23:08 |
| ZogG | hmm, the problem there is no tut on libqt4 | 23:09 |
| ZogG | i mean libxxms-qt4 | 23:09 |
| pupnik_ | the code is the tutorial eh? | 23:09 |
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| ZogG | i'll look into http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/libxmms2qt/tree/tests | 23:10 |
| Venemo | ZogG: seems that this lib uses a direct TCP connection to xmms | 23:11 |
| ZogG | Venemo you mean xmms2? | 23:11 |
| ZogG | damn i mean libxmms2-qt | 23:12 |
| Venemo | yes ZogG, I mean | 23:12 |
| ZogG | ok. i'll try to look into it | 23:12 |
| Venemo | hmm ZogG, I think these callbacks are not really intended to be used like I used them. | 23:13 |
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| alterego | 3Nyurgh, my 3G internet is being really crap :( | 23:14 |
| RST38h | shoot it! | 23:14 |
| ZogG | Venemo i don't know you didn't show me the code | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | explain 3G to IL Orange for me, kthxbai | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | 1MBps is shit | 23:17 |
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| alterego | That's better than I'm getting .... | 23:19 |
| alterego | It keeps dropping out, I usually get about 2Mbs | 23:19 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: venemo.net/temp/fresh.tar.gz | 23:20 |
| Venemo | ZogG: http://venemo.net/temp/fresh.tar.gz | 23:20 |
| Venemo | ZogG: I figured out that this kind of callback is not what I was looking for really | 23:21 |
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| alterego | I was thinking of buying one of those Parrot AR.Drone things and getting it to work with my N900 :D | 23:21 |
| alterego | Then I saw the price. | 23:21 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG i got 600kbs+ for torrent on 3G | 23:21 |
| Venemo | ZogG: so I deleted them | 23:23 |
| Venemo | ZogG: anyway it still doesn't work as supposed | 23:23 |
| Venemo | ZogG, as for music, I'll stick to Rythmbox :) | 23:24 |
| Venemo | ZogG: I suggest you use that Qt binding lib, it seems pretty neat | 23:24 |
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| ZogG | Venemo i suggest you try xmms2 | 23:25 |
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| Venemo | ZogG: I have xmms2 yes | 23:27 |
| Venemo | ZogG: installed it just for you | 23:27 |
| Venemo | ZogG, anyway, I'll uninstall it very soon :) | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, I got 1000+ in Jordan | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | (HTTP, not a torrent) | 23:32 |
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