IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-03-07

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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: !!!!00:00
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: go to 4chan or something00:02
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_0x47Why does my application run fine from terminal (normal user), but not from an icon? The problem: In the beginning the sound will not work, but later the whole app will crash.00:02 <app>00:04
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ZogGcrashanddie црфе шы 4срфт,00:05
ZogGwhat is 4chan?00:05
FauxFauxBaby don't hurt me.  Don't hurt me.  No more.00:05
ZogGcrashanddie ?00:06
crashanddiegoogle it00:06
crashanddieand go to the /b/ board00:06
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ZogGcrashanddie, disgusting00:06
ZogGhow you even thought of suggestion such things00:06
_0x47DocScrutinizer: that doesn't seem to help00:07
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ZogG_0x47 what app?00:07
crashanddieZogG: you seem to think that would somehow be my concern?00:07
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DocScrutinizerI wish somebody would suggest what to check for why brightness setting is reduced from 5 to 1 step00:07
ZogGcrashanddie damn, you are boring to troll00:07
pupnikDocScrutinizer: works fine here00:07
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_0x47ZogG: vcmi00:08
crashanddieI can kick your ass and make it interesting for everyone?00:08
ZogG_0x47, what is dat?00:08
ZogGcrashanddie nope, you can't. if you kick me you only accept your fail =)00:08
_0x47ZogG: some HOMM3 game engine rewrite...00:08
_0x47it works from command line all the time (even the works) but not from the .desktop file00:09
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_0x47Exec = vcmiclient00:09
_0x47no sound :(00:09
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ZogG_0x47 check what parameters desctop file uses00:10
ZogGDocScrutinizer, works fine for me00:10
_0x47parameters for?00:10
ZogGCSSU and checked all steps work fine00:10
ZogG_0x47 for launch00:10
ZogGjust check how does it launch from icon00:10
ZogGwhere are those icons are saved?00:11
DocScrutinizer*sigh* thanks ZogG00:11
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_0x47ZogG: well, none, as I said: "Exec = vcmiclient" or "Exec = vcmiclient"00:11
ZogGDocScrutinizer, try to reboot, did you tried cssu tuner or something? what were last steps?00:11
_0x47saved in /usr/share/application/hildon/ i thing00:11
_0x47yes, confirmed00:12
DocScrutinizerI rebooted 3 times now, and no cssu tuner. last step: install PR1.3 update & CSSU00:12
ZogG_0x47 niope, not there00:13
DocScrutinizerwere you using simple brightness applet prior to CSSU?00:13
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_0x47sry typo: /usr/share/applications/hildon/00:13
_0x47applications* (with s)00:13
ZogGtried that00:13
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ZogGDocScrutinizer, as idon't know what are you talking about i bet nope00:14
_0x47ZogG: then your N900 is broken? :D00:14
DocScrutinizerand I bet nobody else tested CSSU with simple brightness applet00:14
ZogG_0x47, nope00:15
_0x47ZogG: o, you mean the icon, or the .desktop file?00:15
pupnikwhat is simple brightness applet for... existing applet works00:15
ZogG_0x47, oh my bad00:15
ZogGit is there00:15
ZogGi just forgot i used cd and not cat =)00:15
DocScrutinizerpupnik: well, how do you change brightness?00:16
ZogG_0x47 try cat  /usr/share/application/hildon/vcmi00:16
ZogG_0x47 try cat  /usr/share/application/hildon/vcmi.desktop *00:16
crashanddiewhat's the star for?00:17
ZogGDocScrutinizer i don't usually but there is settings -> display -> brightness00:17
ZogG_0x47 on n90000:17
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DocScrutinizerthat's what simple brightness applet is for00:17
ZogGcrashanddie star is for mistypo00:17
DocScrutinizerit's an applet in system area00:17
_0x47ZogG: :D sure, I mean if you want to see it...00:17
ZogGDocScrutinizer, just to show hw i love you i'll try00:18
ZogGwait till i install it00:18
DocScrutinizerchanging brightness is the most frequently used action on my devices (except taskswitching maybe) so it's essential for usability to have it in system area menu00:19
_0x47ZogG: Note: the comments are there for trial and error reasons (to check if it works)00:20
ZogG_0x47 wait, did you try without comments?00:21
_0x47ZogG: this is the original file
ZogGand what if you set terminal true? it would open terminal first and maybe wouldn' close it but it may work00:21
_0x47and I also tried with Terminal=true and ...ShowInToolbar=true00:21
ZogG_0x47 when you use standalone did it launch?00:22
_0x47it *always* launches, but there is no sound if launched from the icon00:23
pupnikDocScrutinizer: click on widgets and brightness is in lower-right00:23
pupnikoh that *is* simple brighness applett00:23
DocScrutinizererr wut?00:23
DocScrutinizeryeah, and it has ONE sector / sliderbutton here00:24
ZogG_0x47 i have no idea, try to ask guys on forum if someone had those problems and if they resolved them00:24
_0x47ok thanks anyways00:24
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ZogGi just tryd to tell you what i would check =)00:25
ZogGgood night00:25
_0x47ZogG: yeah, thanks! good night00:26
pupnik"Nokia keeps the plan to release a MeeGo based device this year" - quim... i hope he's right!00:28
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javispedroelop told that.00:29
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SpeedEvilSomewhat off-topic. Is 'Quim' an unfortunate name in anywhere else than the UK?00:31
javispedrohum, why?00:32
SpeedEvil (slang for ladyparts)00:32
SpeedEvilNot commonly used.00:33
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ScorcererSpeedEvil: not in Poland00:34
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doc|homeSpeedEvil: I'm Irish and I've never heard of it00:47
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javispedroafaik, quim is actually an abbreviation of "joaquim" (a much more common name around here); however quim seems to always write it as quim.00:52
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SpeedEvilSorry - I should probably not ask questions like that - just woke up.01:13
SpeedEvilMy filters don't work then.01:13
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crashanddieSpeedEvil: this seemingly confirms my suspicion: every single word in British English means (or has meant) "ladyparts" at one point in time and a specific place.01:25
SpeedEvilThere are basically four definitions on urbandictionary, seemingly.01:26
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pupniki wonder if the meego device will run maemo apps01:28
lolcatCan't someone open-source make symbian and android apps availeble on maemo?01:30
SpeedEvilThey have to however invest a considerable amount of time and effort into it.01:33
SpeedEvilSo they have to consider it's worth it.01:33
lolcatI can pay 37 bitcoins01:33
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lolcatSpeedEvil: And if we had all the android software, and the symbian, our phone would be one fifth more win that the others01:34
SpeedEvilHow much are bitcoins exchanging at currently?01:34
SpeedEvilI imagine it'd be at least several months of work.01:35
lolcatBut I can actually only think of 3-4 android apps I want01:35
lolcat0,8 last I checked01:35
ShadowJKConsidering not even Nokia can make a symbian app work on every phone, I'd be extremely surprised if one could actually make a symbian emulator that could run a meaningful number of apps...01:35
lolcatShadowJK: Someone in Nokia has run sybian under a linux phone, I assume it was meego01:36
lolcatYou dont need an emulator01:36
lolcatBesides, is there a single usable symbian program?01:36
SpeedEvilAlso - symbian is not binary compatible.01:37
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SpeedEvilSo you'd need an emulator layer too. Or live with source level compatibilty.01:37
ShadowJKWell there's binfmt...01:37
ShadowJKBut I still assume it's a wine level of effort01:38
SpeedEvilAt best, yes, if the processors are binary compatible.01:38
lolcatBut symbian is open-source01:38
lolcatWindows is not01:38
SpeedEvilSymbian is open-source, yes.01:39
SpeedEvilThat does not mean the apps are.01:39
ShadowJKI wonder if opensource symbian actually runs anything, didn't they rewrite a whole bunch of stuff for that?01:40
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ShadowJKI'd be pretty surprised if it was capable of running s60v3,v5 stuff, maybe symbian^3 apps..01:41
lolcatI read a comment about some nokia dudes doing that bellow an article about how a company makes a program that converts android programs to run on maemo01:44
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SpeedEvilA lot of the momentum got killed some months before meego got launched.01:45
SpeedEvilWhen nokia began dissuading companies from developing for maemo01:45
SpeedEvil(at least this is my perception)01:45
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lolcatDo you think someone could get a hold of Alien Dalvik?01:48
SpeedEvilContact the people that make it.01:49
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lolcatMaybe I'll just wait for IcedRobot then01:52
zerojayGAN900: You might find this interesting:
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robbiethe1stHey guys, where would I find a dbus call etc. that would disable the cell modem, and another call to re-enas01:58
robbiethe1st*re-enable it01:58
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internetishardwhat's a good linux music player that can be remote controlled from my n900?02:00
FIQ|n900this obscure keyboard repeat turn on setting02:00
FIQ|n900what was it?02:00
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pupnikinternetishard: mplayer02:01
internetishardhow would that work?02:02
internetishardI'd like to use something like amarok02:02
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pupnikfind . -iname "*.mp3" -mtime -40 -exec mplayer \-shuffle \-quiet {} +02:04
pupnikfor e.g.02:04
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newbie007hi, any ideas on using a nook (ebook reader) as an output device? I want to use the OS/programs/GPS of my n900 on a display device mounted in my car which is a "nook" (basically a large touch screen device)02:06
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FireStorm||hi, does any one have a fix, or point me in direction of a fix for this sms issue where it doesn't store txt etc.02:07
newbie007I had problems with texting after a reboot it fixed the problem02:08
SpeedEvilnewbie007: does thenook have bt?02:08
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newbie007SpeedEvil: it only has a usb port, but I can connect to a remote terminal via usb. Currently the OS on it is some Android variant,, can say I'm a fan of Android. I can change the OS though02:09
FireStorm||done that newbie00702:09
FireStorm||i remeber reading some where on about some possible fixs but i can't find it :S02:10
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FireStorm||hmm andriod i like02:14
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newbie007*can't say I'm a fan of Android.. Geo-location stuff02:16
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pupniki still like this e71 as a phone02:17
newbie007for me the n900 is the best phone ever, if it's dead I'm sorry to hear it02:18
FireStorm||n900 ok but just few issues with it!02:18
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pupniki think cell phones already exceed what the average persons wants to do with them02:28
pupnikthe things that have growth potential seem to be services, related to location02:29
SpeedEvilOr tracking.02:29
pupnik'i want to do this'  'i'm looking for that'02:29
internetishard"augmented reality" seems wanted02:30
SpeedEvil'A girl that others have rated as having really nice breasts is about to come round that corner'.02:30
SpeedEvilThat's the killer app right there.02:30
pupnik'here's her favorite music.  start playing on speaker now?'02:31
SpeedEvil'She is on a diet tracking website, and eats a bagel about this time. The shop over there sells bagels consistently rated excellent'02:31
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pupnikalways feels a bit blase when a technology matures02:34
pupnik... like watching your wife get fat02:35
SpeedEvilTreadmill + generator.02:35
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internetishardhow do you recommend I mount a 100Gig volume over the network for playing music on the n900?02:38
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internetishardI know there is a mpd client for the n900, but I don't know about an mpd server02:38
internetishardfurthermore, I might want a script to downcode some of the music so that it streams over 3g and 2g when I'm not on wifi02:39
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mikhasinternetishard, just guessing here, but perhaps you're looking for
internetishardnot really sure what that is, but I guess I'll try it02:42
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pupnikinternetishard: oh you want to play media on the N900, not on the PC?02:46
pupniki prefer Knots2 for that02:46
internetishardI think I've figured out playing media on the PC via the n900, now I want visa versa (playing it on the n900)02:47
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SpeedEvilinternetishard: Why not just take a ~16G subset of your music?02:47
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pupnikthat's slow and reduces random-access02:49
internetishardI do, but I also want access to all of it02:50
internetishardplus, eventually, I'd like to be able to stream movies by doing this too (the server will down encode them to something that can stream without buffering over wifi or even 3g02:50
DocScrutinizer\o/ got the CSSU issue and the broken VoIP (and the brightness slider) sorted02:50
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pupnikwhat was the problem DocScrutinizer ?02:51
DocScrutinizernow I realize it's not allowed by sipgate (or by router) to call my own SIP number, even when I got multiple clients registered and online02:52
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: dependency hell with modified-hildon-desktop vs hildon-desktop-CSSU on 140 vs 142 revision02:52
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DocScrutinizerso DO NOT install CSSU when you got MHD installed, or even when you downgraded to the 140 version02:54
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DocScrutinizerI still fail to completely understand how that circle dependency worked, but it mad CSSU fail to install hildon-desktop14202:55
DocScrutinizerthis in turn caused the cssu-enabler to abort, which borked the brightness applet, and you couldn't apt-get remove the MHD because of CSSU dependency02:57
DocScrutinizersomething alng that line02:57
internetishardI hope you've figured out how to get paid doing this stuff DocScrutinizer02:57
DocScrutinizeralas not yet02:57
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pupnikthe oven has improved my usb connector02:57
DocScrutinizerheh :-D02:58
pupnikDocScrutinizer: that's a lot of keyboard shortcuts!  in MHD02:58
pupnikseems like it was written just for you02:58
DocScrutinizeryeah, MHD aka CSSU-HD142 has some nice shortcuts02:58
DocScrutinizera short demo: (key+ means press and hold, key- means release) ctrl+, bs+, ctrl-, ..., ctrl, ctrl, ctrl, ctrl+, bs-, bs, bs, bs, bs+, ctrl-, bs-.  --- shift-s closes 2nd-left 2nd-topmost app03:02
pupnikdo you ever toggle compositing?03:03
DocScrutinizerdon't even know what's that supposed to do03:03
pupnik\"ctrl-shift-n toggles composite mode "03:04
DocScrutinizerI tried and couldn't tell the diff03:04
pupnikso it didn't disable blur/transitions03:04
DocScrutinizeraah, transitions and blurr03:05
DocScrutinizerlemme check03:05
DocScrutinizercan't tell any diff - still does transitions, still there's blurr when menu opens03:06
pupnikok interesting03:08
pupnikgod i love having 'locate' on n900 now03:08
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DocScrutinizermeh, still doesn't work here though I installed it and afaik even kicked off an update-db once03:09
pupnikit installs to the wrong bin dir03:10
pupniklike /usr/bin/gnu/bin or something like that03:10
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pupniki just moved the files to /usr/bin and it works03:10
DocScrutinizerleme check03:11
DocScrutinizer    : ${BINDIR=/usr/bin}03:15
DocScrutinizer: ${find:=${BINDIR}/find}03:15
pupnikso 'which locate' finds locate?03:16
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# updatedb03:16
DocScrutinizerfind: unrecognized: -fstype03:16
DocScrutinizerBusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian multi-call binary03:16
pupnikVersion: 4.4.2-1maemo7  << ?03:16
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DocScrutinizerlocate works great, updatedb doesn't03:16
pupnikdoes here03:16
pupnikthat looks like a bug reported to the app though03:17
DocScrutinizeras the *good* find isn't in /usr/bin but in /usr/bin/gnu03:17
pupnikyes i moved find up03:18
DocScrutinizer~nuke messybox03:18
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at messybox ... B☢☢M!03:18
pupnikupdatedb flies... like 30 seconds here03:18
DocScrutinizeractually that's kind of a bug in updatedb03:19
DocScrutinizersee ->  : ${find:=${BINDIR}/find}03:19
DocScrutinizershould use path03:19
DocScrutinizerif find in $PATH03:19
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pupnikis /usr/bin/gnu in your path??03:20
DocScrutinizerI got /usr/bin/gnu in my PATH03:20
DocScrutinizergiven the fact updatedb usually gets started via cron, it's a bit arguable how much it should benefit from that03:21
DocScrutinizerbut a hardcoded BINDIR=/usr/bin looks fishy anyway03:22
Tjahello I have fremantle on my n900 and the gps isnt finding anything at all. is that normal? im in west germany and others do work here fine like the 2nd google mobile phone by htc which ever that was03:22
DocScrutinizerinsert a SIM, register to provider03:23
DocScrutinizerGPS is known to be sluggish without GSM03:23
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pupniki've never gotten a lock indoors here03:23
DocScrutinizerindoors, well03:24
DocScrutinizerdepends here03:24
TjaI never ran it without that03:24
DocScrutinizersometimes takes 60s - sometimes never03:24
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DocScrutinizeruse location test app03:24
pupnikteh cruuze missiles always know where i am03:25
DocScrutinizerin extras-devel I guess03:25
TjaDoc is that in the normal app repos?03:25
DocScrutinizerTja: you have a recent OS?03:25
DocScrutinizernah, I guess it's in extras-devel03:26
Tjafremantle repos are up to date here03:26
Tjajust befor logging in i checked no updates03:26
DocScrutinizereven tools03:26
DocScrutinizerlocation-test-gui:   Installed: 0.93-1+0m5          500 fremantle/tools/non-free Packages03:27
internetishardyou guys using the USB host mode successfully yet to plug in usb flash drives?03:28
DocScrutinizerI wouldn't have published it otherwise :-P03:28
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Tjawhat is that tools repo fremantle-1.3?03:34
DocScrutinizerdeveloper tools03:34
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DocScrutinizermost of them for PC, in SB03:36
DocScrutinizersome work on N900 as well03:36
Tjawhats the apt sources-list line?03:36
DocScrutinizerwait a minute03:37
DocScrutinizer  see the first line under first white box03:37
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Tjabtw sorry if I'm looking a lil illiterate but I'm at the device right now03:39
DocScrutinizerthat's actually good, so you just need to click that link :-)03:39
Tjaawesome thanks03:40
DocScrutinizerit's not my fault if you ignore the warnings :-D03:40
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TjaDoc Im running sid on my normal wo4k box dont worry ;-)03:41
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Tjaand I slowly grasp this derivative03:42
pupnikcommunity is so cool here... making stuff like catorise03:43
pupnikand having a repo for it03:43
DocScrutinizermeh, apmefo >> catorise03:43
pupnikoh that's new to me03:44
DocScrutinizerapmefo has a clumsy config GUI. catorise has NO config03:45
Tjais there a way to alien apkgs from android to be debs03:45
DocScrutinizerandroid apps most likely won't run on maemo03:45
Tjajust asking dunno if thats possible03:45
DocScrutinizerif that's what you are asking03:46
DocScrutinizerandroid != linux03:46
Tjahmm no chance poorting that jvm?03:46
pupnikcatorise is great for having no config :D03:46
DocScrutinizerand no, dalvik hasn't been ported (yet?)03:46
pupnikclosed source one is waiting for oem deals03:47
pupnikor rather unreleased one03:47
Tjaandroid != debian is correct since android _has_ a linux core03:47
SpeedEvilTja: In the loosest sense.03:47
SpeedEvilTja: It is linux -yes. It's really not gnu/linux though.03:48
DocScrutinizerthe kernel API differs quite a bit03:48
SpeedEvilIt's like saying that a dune buggy has the same engine as a fork lift.03:48
SpeedEvilWhile this may be strictly true, it's not actually a useful observation.03:48
DocScrutinizermoo SpeedEvil03:49
DocScrutinizersıɥʇ ʎɐןdsıp uɐɔ ʇuǝıןɔ ɔɹı ɹnoʎ ǝdoɥ03:52
Tjaacwp was almost correct03:53
SpeedEvil--- - --- - -- - -  ----  - - - -- -- -.03:53
Tjaanyway gonna test it again later03:53
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: OTOTMTTxTTTMMT ??03:56
SpeedEvilNaah - that was edge-on letters.03:56
SpeedEvilYou need 3D to see them.03:57
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pupnikthere used to be a 'cryopid' project to swap out linux processes to disc - sort of like what android does04:09
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DocScrutinizerif you're loosely interested in dbus:
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pupniklarge copy operations still bog down the device04:35
pupnikswapolube doesn't seem to fix that04:35
pupnikwaiting 1 minute for a ssh login04:35
pupnik... still waiting for a shell04:37
pupnikhow do i see that04:37
pupnik3 minutes04:38
DocScrutinizercat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness04:38
DocScrutinizerkill the copy as loong as you can in a gentle way04:39
DocScrutinizerodds are it might take days or weeks04:39
DocScrutinizerand eventually you just can remove battery04:39
pupnikwell it managed to finish a 750 MB file04:40
DocScrutinizerpowerbutton ->kill current task04:40
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pupnikno happiness with powerbutton04:40
DocScrutinizerdon't stack up too many user actins, they all pile up in buffer04:41
pupnikdevice shut down04:41
DocScrutinizereventually power menu will open, and you'll be happy if there's no other crap spoiling it04:41
pupnikahh rebooting04:41
DocScrutinizerso you pressed the power button for >10s I guess04:42
pupnikswappiness 3004:42
pupnikno i didn't04:42
pupnikit probably thought i did04:43
pupnikis there a better swappiness setting?04:43
DocScrutinizercat botreason04:43
DocScrutinizerboot even04:43
DocScrutinizerdamn, can't find the file04:45
pupniklooks like something to try04:45
DocScrutinizerstill interested in bootreason FQN04:46
pupnikbootreason was 32wd_to04:46
DocScrutinizerFQN, not content04:46
pupnikwhat is FQN04:46
DocScrutinizerfully qualified name04:46
pupnik /proc/bootreason04:47
DocScrutinizeroooh lol, I searched on my PC04:47
pupnikgot a "media is read-only until fixed" message04:48
pupnikok so now MyDocs is corrupt04:49
DocScrutinizerthat's what you'd expect on such action04:50
DocScrutinizerfsck from ass rage ->PC04:50
DocScrutinizeror umount and fsck on device04:50
pupnik'ass rage'?04:51
DocScrutinizermass rage04:51
DocScrutinizersto rage04:51
pupnikdiffering fats... use first or second?04:52
pupniki'm guessing the second is the one before the error04:52
pupnikbut it might not have the files that did copy04:53
DocScrutinizerso what04:53
pupnikyeah ok04:53
DocScrutinizerthose a junk anyway04:53
DocScrutinizer(searched on my PC) time to chill04:54
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DocScrutinizerthis PR1.3 mp-fremantle-generic-pr upgrade plus CSSU deps hell fix experience was just too funny for one evening04:56
DocScrutinizer51so ping me on my nice autostarted xchat on pr1.3 cssu if anything interesting flies by04:57
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GAN900Android makes me miss "tap outside dialog to close".04:58
pupnikoh wow those vm changes made everything better04:58
pupnik"Reducing I/O queues to 4 causes I/Os to block, rather than queue. This means you're less likely to encounter a situation where the queue is slammed by a large background process (ie. copying a 400mb file)"05:01
pupnikssh login during copy took ~4 seconds05:01
ShadowJK0 > /sys/block/*/queue/nr-request05:07
ShadowJKor something such05:07
ShadowJK4 not 005:07
* ShadowJK used to run with 4 on N800 and N810 too :-)05:08
ShadowJKBut now I'm using something ludicrously large on N90005:08
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DocScrutinizer51128 here now05:11
DocScrutinizer51for both05:11
DocScrutinizer51what' that? IO requests, blocks?05:12
* DocScrutinizer51 ponders which initfile to tweak05:13
pupnikheh one speaker decided to start working again05:14
pupnikaahh both!05:14
pupnikincluding the one i photographed taken apart05:15
pupnikit's a bit quieter than the other05:15
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DocScrutinizer51any suggestions where to throw in that echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests ?05:16
DocScrutinizer51in etc/init.d/*05:17
pupnikdon't know.. i ran it in a shell as root05:18
pupniklol @ nethack-common in /etc/init.d05:19
DocScrutinizersure, but I'm not Seymor Cray05:20
DocScrutinizerI don't boot up my digital equipment by toggling in the bootloader via bit switches05:21
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DocScrutinizerwell, I did enough mess today, so a bootloop won't hurt XP - tossed it into rcS05:29
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DocScrutinizerdmnit! somebody is probably writing those "128" to there, and it's done after my lines in rcS05:34
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: who's setting the values initially? kernel defaults?05:37
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pupnikpsx itself gets only 50% cpu - the rest is Xorg, hildon-desktop, pulseaudio05:59
DocScrutinizer    echo 500 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs05:59
DocScrutinizer++ echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots1"05:59
DocScrutinizer++ echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots2"05:59
pupnikit sucks when the OS is taking up 1/2 the cpu06:00
DocScrutinizertested, works (as far as there's "4" in those sysnodes now, and it boots)06:00
pupniktesting the newest playstation emulator06:01
* DocScrutinizer pondering whether to cp ~/MySpace/1GBfile ..06:02
pupnik19.1 /usr/bin/Xorg  17.9 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop   11.4 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority06:02
pupnikgo for it06:02
pupnikworks now, here06:02
DocScrutinizerso edit your rcS to include it by default06:02
pupniki can do that, but i won't yet06:05
pupnikhmm i've got the dropped ssh connection problem again06:06
pupnikit freezes until i re-ping something06:07
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pupnikLast Measured Discharge: 1370 mA06:20
pupnikpretty happy06:20
DocScrutinizer51sounds about right06:24
DocScrutinizer511380 here06:26
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DocScrutinizer51Cycle Count since Learning: 4 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 6606:30
pupnikhmm i have  Cycle Count since Learning: 0  Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 006:34
pupnikdoes that mean the n900 doesn't know my new battery's capacity yet?06:36
pupnikbut i discharged fully06:37
pupnik(charging occurred with external charger)06:37
DocScrutinizer51it needs a full cycle, and even one doesn't suffice as those values don't change more than iirc 1/606:38
DocScrutinizer51pupnik: well maybe it means you just finished the learning cycle06:41
DocScrutinizer51what's your flags?06:41
DocScrutinizer51mine 0x0406:41
pupnikFlags: 0x9006:42
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Termanagood morning06:46
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pupnikhiya Termana06:50
DocScrutinizerCI Capacity Inaccurate flag. A 1 indicates that the firmware has not been through a valid learning cycle06:52
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DocScrutinizerVDQ Valid Discharge flag. A 1 indicates that the bqJUNIOR has met all necessary requirements for the firmware to learn the battery capacity. This bit clears to 0 on a LMD update or condition that disqualifies a learning cycle. This bit is cleared to 0 on all resets.06:56
DocScrutinizer<pupnik> (charging occurred with external charger) removing battery will reset the bq27200 after a few seconds06:58
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DocScrutinizerEDV1 (3248mV) This register contains the scaled value of the voltage when the battery has 6.25% remaining capacity. When the battery reaches this threshold during a valid discharge, the device learns the full battery capacity, including the remaining 6.25%.07:14
DocScrutinizerEDV1 is a constant in EEPROM, it means you need to discharge a fully charged battery to 3.248V to complete a learning cycle07:15
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pupnikis the n900 display somehow "IPS"? the colors are really stable07:17
pupnikaha... ty DocScrutinizer5107:18
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: your script runs with RS=30, this will give values way off what's correct07:36
DocScrutinizerit's amazing that ILMD (initial capacity default) is 1370mAh with RS=30, but my batgauge calculates LastMeasuredDischarge (real one) as 1380 with RS=22 - while ILMD is 1869mAh with RS=2207:39
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DocScrutinizerIt seems like the chip's EEPROM has been programmed to work with 30, but actually the N900 is using 22 (or 20) now07:40
pupnikyou mean 1839mAh with RS-30 ?07:40
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DocScrutinizerno, with 2207:40
pupnikyour  batgauge calculates LastMeasuredDischarge (real one) as 1380 with RS=22 ?07:40
pupnikand ILMD is 1869mAh with RS=2207:41
pupnikso ILMD != LastMeasuredDischarge?07:41
DocScrutinizerso a few learning cycles adjusted LMD from 1869 initial (from EEPROM) to a real 138007:42
DocScrutinizerILMD is the *initial* default value from EEPROM07:42
DocScrutinizeron your reading both are 1370, as LMD got set to ILMD07:42
pupnikgot it07:43
pupnikso this battery manufacturer may be honest07:43
DocScrutinizermine is07:43
DocScrutinizeryou need to edit your script for RS=22, then discharge your battery from full to 3.248V07:44
DocScrutinizerand you need to do this 2 or 3 times, to tune the 1896mAh to the real capacity of your bat, as LMD adjusts by max 1/6 at a time afaik07:46
DocScrutinizer~1869 / 6 * 507:46
pupnikmy ILMD=137007:46
DocScrutinizer~1557 / 6 * 507:46
DocScrutinizerpupnik: because your RS=3007:47
pupnikahhhh ILMD=205607:47
pupnikwith RS=2007:48
pupnikwell since usb-charging is now miraculously good, i think i can try the discharge/recharge thing07:48
pupnikthanks, this will help me review the battery07:48
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pupnikgot a 'polarcell'07:49
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pupniki see07:55
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pupnikwell documented tho07:56
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DocScrutinizer even better07:56
pupnikhow did you find out the resistor was 20 not 30?07:57
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pupnikwhy do i always ping to test07:58 would be shorter, but is funner to type somehow07:58
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DocScrutinizersomebody measured the current drawn from battery and compared that to bq27200 readout08:00
DocScrutinizerroughly spoken08:01
DocScrutinizerI'm rather sure it's 22mR08:01
DocScrutinizernot 2008:01
DocScrutinizer1 milli Ohm isn't much08:02
DocScrutinizercan easily vary from device to device08:02
ds3is 20ohm a possible 1% value? I'd think for stuff like this, you want a 1% not a 5% resistor08:03
DocScrutinizerand it's 2 in series08:03
ds320mohm I mean08:03
DocScrutinizerso quite possibly 2 * 10mR + 2mR for solderjoints and PCB traces08:05
DocScrutinizeror 2 * 1108:05
DocScrutinizerboth are usual values08:05
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robbiethe1stHello all08:48
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gomiamerm... I asked a few days ago about an N800 not finding a network another one found with no problems. It seems the "failing" one is an US version, unable to go over channel 11. Is that a hardware limitation or a software one?09:48
ruskiemost likely firmware one09:49
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gomiamruskie: I'm asking because I want to know whether it is worth it to download the ROM for the working one and dump it on the USified one or not.09:50
gomiamnot that it would take much time either way, but...09:50
ruskieshould be worth it...09:51
gomiamnice to know. I'll try it... later :)09:51
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ShapeshifterOk so I'm trying to stream the webcam video to my PC, I do gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=24010:35
Shapeshifter! ffmpegcolorspace ! smokeenc ! udpsink host= port=500010:35
Shapeshifteron the mobile. With the correct port. I play it back using gst-launch-0.10 udpsrc port=5000 ! smokedec ! autovideosink . Problem is, the picture has a strong green tint.10:36
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pupnikoh i wish for an escape key on next device10:37
pupnikbut someone at nokia doesn't like the escape key10:37
pupnikthey wanted to get rid of it as a metaphor10:37
pupnikbad people :D10:37
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pupnik'you are always in!  there is no out!  there is only going ze forward!'10:38
SpeedEvilThe next meego device will have an escape key.10:38
SpeedEvilThe next device will have a meego escape key. It's called the windows button.10:38
kerioyeah, the "next" "meego" "device"10:39
kerio*ba dum tsss*10:39
cfreak200you mean qemu with the next meego device ? :P10:39
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pupnikctrl-q could be 'esc' on the n900 actually10:41
pupnikwhy didn't i think of that b410:41
Shapeshiftergood idea10:42
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kerioi have esc as shift+fn+backspace10:43
kerioand tab as fn+backspace10:43
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JaffaMorning, all10:54
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pupniksucks how kobo deluxe and technoballz are designed for right-handed people11:09
nidOsame as most things then11:10
pupnikyes but it's software11:10
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alteregoI wonder where the N900 had most sales ...11:16
PolarFoxGood morning.. I think.. Even if it is monday.. :)11:17
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Shapeshifteralterego: where? probably the US.11:24
alteregoYeah, mebbe11:24
alteregoApparently the UK is the largest (percentage wise) mobile gaming industry11:24
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ruskiealterego, I guess all that queing adds up ;)11:26
alteregoruskie: :D11:26
alteregoAnd our awful public transport ;)11:27
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ruskieI tend to be overlay patient and will just stand still and wait for my turn...11:27
ruskiesame for using the public transport anywhere11:27
alteregoruskie: me too :)11:27
ruskieI can't really enjoy a game-on-the-go11:28
alteregoI tend to have a very relaxed/don't-give-a-shit attitude to things out of my sphere of control.11:28
ruskiei.e. play 2 minutes... oh my turn to do something...11:28
ruskiesame here11:28
alteregoThough when people push in and stuff I tend to get riled.11:28
mecealterego, per capita, in finland no doubt.11:28
alteregoAnd I can't stand complainers, loud gobby complainers ...11:28
ruskiewhen I actually want to play I'll turn on the PS3(which is the main reason I got it) and play for a few hours...11:28
alteregoYeah, same here but xbox 36011:29
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ruskiealterego, we have self-service checkouts at a few stores here now... and of course the store people can't always track everything to help out so I'll just stand there until they notice that something is wrong... ;) and yes I'm willing to stand there for an hour or more ;)11:30
alteregoYeah, Tesco and boots have self service, makes things a lot less stressful I think11:30
ruskieconsidering I tend to run through a store 90% of the time11:31
alteregoIf I'm buying alcohol or movies I'll go to a real person though11:31
ruskieI can be done at the checkout in under a minute most of the time11:31
ruskieof course being an IT person these self selrvice checkouts just love us and tend to break down when we're in the area though :(11:31
ruskieeven the sales people ask... are you working for us or are you an IT person? when it does happen ;)11:32
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alteregoHeh, makes me chuckle when I see a win 2k crash screen ;)11:34
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SpeedEvilI was amused to find on the tesco website - on the 'null' search - if you search for nothing - 'I' - the product description is just a large red I, and it's 20p.11:35
SpeedEvilI ordered one, to see what happend.11:35
SpeedEvilIt's not been delivered yet11:36
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alteregoheh, looks like a book11:39
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ruskiealterego, hmm does that mean they basically offloaded Qt?11:41
alteregoJust the commercial licensing side of things11:42
ruskieahh so outsourcing11:42
alteregoWhich Nokia don't really care about anyway11:42
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pupnikwow drnoksnes is smooth now11:45
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timeless_w7ipalterego: i'm *assuming* that includes the people who do commercial support11:52
smharin, what is the difference between RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ?11:52
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nidOone's the rootfs and the other's the emmc11:53
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smharwhen issuing flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f , I got this error: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f . what could be wrong?11:59
pupnikwhat error>12:00
alteregosmhar: ./flasher-3.5 ?12:01
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smharno, the usb was connected while issuing the command. it should be disconnected first.12:02
smharfirst flashing is done.12:03
MohammadAGno, it shouldn't12:03
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pupnikwonder what the current drain of more modern (oled?) displays runs about12:03
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SpeedEvilpupnik: It's proportional to lit area, plus a constant12:04
MohammadAGI guess it also depends on colour depth?12:04
pupnikSpeedEvil: finally a benefit for my preferred dark screen12:04
MohammadAGsince the N8 goes to something like 8-bit when locked12:04
pupnikwell max brightness on n900 pulls about 210 mA12:05
MohammadAGany ideas why they did that then?12:05
SpeedEvilN8 is not OLED is it?12:05
MohammadAGAMOLED iirc12:05
smharMohammadAG, N900 was on, it worked after connected while off12:05
MohammadAG *12:05
SpeedEvilReduced bit-depth also reduces memory bus demands12:05
MohammadAGsmhar, press U before connecting the USB cable next time12:05
pupnikat 3/5 brightness it's pulling 105 mA12:06
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SpeedEvilFor example, on my old laptop, 4 bit X used 10% less power than 24 bit.12:06
MohammadAG(that N8 is locked btw)12:06
MohammadAGit never blanks12:06
smharMohammadAG, Now I will do: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R , I hope every thing will be 'safe' :-)12:06
SpeedEvilThe two pics are identical.12:06
SpeedEvilOh - right12:06
pupnikat 4/5 brighness it's pulling 119 mA12:07
MohammadAGyeah, I had a \ at the end in the first one12:07
pupnikwow, huge difference between 4/5 and full12:07
SpeedEvilThe eye is very non-linear.12:07
pupnikyes.  although it always semed to me that full was significantly brighter12:08
pupnikbut this is a good reminder to avoid it12:08
* SpeedEvil sighs.12:08
SpeedEvilI want the brightness to go down further.12:09
SpeedEvilI should check some leads from the schematic.12:09
* mece comforts SpeedEvil *there there*12:09
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MohammadAGecho 1 > /sys/class/backlight/ac<whatever>/brightness?12:09
SpeedEvil2 is minimum12:09
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smharMohammadAG, ohh, just noticed the warning in not to use the -R option. may be it it should be removed from the command line in the main text as will12:09
pupnikwhat does -R do?12:10
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* mece just wanted to be part of the cool gang that said "reboot" just then12:11
nidOsmhar, not using the -R option only applies if you're flashing both the emmc and rootfs12:11
smharnidO, which I am12:12
nidOthe point is, why would the -R switch be removed from the text which details how to flash only the rootfs12:12
meceis this good or bad news?
nidOwhen it's only when doing both that you shouldnt use it, and the instructions for which dont include the -R switch12:12
smharnidO, agree, I stand corrected12:14
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smhar"Finishing flashing... done         CMT flashed successfully."  is that it?12:16
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smharrebooted. About says: Version: 20.2010.36-2 . is this the latest?12:22
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smharusing usb, is it possible to connect N900 to an internet connect computer and use that computer as a gateway to the net? how?13:29
AppiahI think this is on the wiki..13:29
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smharthanks Appiah13:31
visztrying to get my usb ethernet adapter to work13:31
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viszseems like the right module is loaded, but dhcp client gives an error message13:32
pupnikinteresting - with a brand new battery the low batt warning comes on well before 3638 mv13:32
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Lava_Croftso true13:55
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ArachonI just wonder... Is it at all possible to get a hold of a Maemo-phone?14:41
ArachonI seem to remember hearing that they don't sell them anymore...?14:42
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jogathey don't sell n900 you mean?14:42
ArachonThat'd be the one14:42
XenonXZhad to ask for mine wasnt advertised14:42
nidOit depends where you live14:44
nidOmost places i'd think its not hard to still get hold of an n90014:44
ArachonI'm in Sweden... You'd think we'd get one, what with being next to Finland and all <.< But so far, I've had no luck14:44
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nidOwell, you can happily get one from or .de14:45
ArachonFancy that14:46
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pupniki haven't a cell phone store in germany carrying them14:47
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abit is increasingly amusing that multitasking is such a big deal implementation-wise on mobiles14:56
smharwhen flashing N900, do I need to keep pressing the 'u' all the time?14:56
ruskiejust for the bootup14:56
ruskiethen you can release14:57
ruskieyou see a usb logo on the nokia screen14:57
jonwilI fail to understand why WP7 and iOS need this "fake multitasking" crap14:57
ruskieit means you can release it14:57
ruskiejonwil, because they are incapable of real multitasking14:57
jonwiliOS jailbreaking shows that an iPhone can multitask just fine14:57
jonwilme, I like my N900 and its real multitasking14:58
ruskieit's not desired14:58
ruskiei.e. confuses people14:58
jonwilSo make multitasking work like desktop windows with a simple list of open apps14:59
jonwilpeopple arent confused by that14:59
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Venemomost people are confused by desktop windows's multitasking14:59
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jonwilhmmm ok15:00
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Venemojonwil: I mean the average people15:00
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smharthe most irritating thing after a full flash is the long lines of text you need to enter just to be able to ssh to the phone15:05
Lava_Croftiphone not doing real multitasking might be more related to battery life15:05
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pupnikno, about the ability to control the user experience15:10
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pupnikmake sure things update fast and predictably15:10
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RST38hanyone with CSSU experience?15:10
pupniki saw some issues yesterday15:11
RST38ham I the only one noticing that CSSU version of Modest is basically broken, with no redeeming qualities, at least on the surface?15:11
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pupnikapparently you shouldn't update CSSU with the hacked hildon desktop15:12
RST38hwell I had a stock desktop15:13
RST38hand the desktop is fine (although most advertised extra features mostly appear to be gimmicks)15:13
nidOisnt the cssu version of modest just an updated stock version without the nokia crippling?15:13
RST38hit is modest that appears to be worse than the stock version15:13
Lava_Croftcssu modest works fine here15:13
RST38hI dunno what you mean by crippling here15:13
RST38hLava: Will it rotate to portrait for you?15:14
Lava_CroftRST38h: you probably have other software that might break something15:14
RST38hIt does not rotate here. And if I force the rotation, I cannot compose emails in it15:14
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nidORST38h: preventing imap-idle from working being an example15:14
Lava_Crofti dont use the autorotate, and afaik cssu is still in 'testing'15:14
Lava_Croftso expect unfinished stuff and bugs15:14
Lava_CroftRST38h: flash rootfs15:15
Lava_Croftand then install cssu15:15
Lava_Croftthats the method i use and it works flawlessly15:15
RST38hLava: Ok, thank you for your data input15:15
Lava_CroftThank you for using our services.15:16
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smharI am in a wifi zone but I want to connect to the internet via usb cable. N900 automatically connects to wifi. how to stop this?16:43
slonopotamususe wifi switcher16:44
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lolcatDalvik is open-soruce, rigth? Mostly java, can't I stick it into my N900? Can maemo programs run on the android kernel? Or can I have to kernels?16:44
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lolcatsandst1: I want ONE android program on my N900 and I dont want Aos16:46
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sandst1lolcat: i guess then you have to wait for alien dalvik16:47
GAN900Why is it that all of the DRM-encumbered ebook readers insist on arbitrarily limiting text formatting and appearance. . . .16:47
sandst1if it's even coming out as a free version16:47
lolcatsandst1: Alien Dalvik is closed source and I won't get my hands on it16:47
sandst1lolcat: well. then you have to duplicate their work :P16:48
lolcatsandst1: IcedRobot team is writing an impentation on openJDK16:48
slonopotamusGAN900: there's no logic in DRM-related stuff16:48
slonopotamusGAN900: and when there is, it's broken.16:48
smharslonopotamus, did that. now I can browse and ping the net but app manger asks to 'Select connection' !!16:49
sandst1lolcat: cool16:49
lolcatsandst1: But they wont be done within 9 days16:49
slonopotamussmhar: because maemo networking is crap :)16:49
slonopotamussmhar: use apt-get then :/ or try fap16:50
slonopotamusor how it was called...16:50
smharcould you be more clear the :/ thing16:50
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GAN900You'll take uselessly huge margins and like them, and, no, you can't have white on black.16:51
slonopotamussmhar: that was two sentences :)16:51
sandst1lolcat: yeah, not gonna happen that soon :) however, it's been done in ubuntu, so why not maemo too
slonopotamussmhar: fapman it's called16:52
smharslonopotamus, do you mean I can not use the application manager with usb networking?16:52
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slonopotamussmhar: it wants network and it doesn't know that you're already connected. either use commandline apt-get or try fapman (another gui app manager)16:53
sandst1lolcat: but in case you haven't tried nitdroid on n900, go ahead and try :) it's pretty smooth16:53
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lolcatsandst1: I have, but I didnt like android and the appstore was missing the one app I wanted16:54
smharslonopotamus, it is much easier to just 'select' application instead of typing their names16:54
smharslonopotamus, isn't there a way to clear the confusion in N900 about which network to use?16:55
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sandst1lolcat: ok16:55
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DocScrutinizer(<SpeedEvil> I want the brightness to go down further.) were you offline when I elaborated about that PWM1 output to control the /EN of LED-BL converter?16:56
slonopotamussmhar: sure, get app manager sources and drop network checking :)16:56
lolcatsandst1: So all I have to do is get the source from the ubuntu thing and compile for arm and install open-jdk16:57
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sandst1lolcat: i'm pretty sure it won't be that straightforward :)16:57
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lolcatI can't find it16:59
lolcatbut when I do I will get it16:59
lolcatI migth need to use the ubuntu latest ubuntu kernel on the phone though but debian ~ ubuntu so I guess that migth work16:59
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lolcatDoes sun java run on N900?17:01
sandst1lolcat: do you have the app you want as an apk file? if you're willing to put a new kernel and put dalvik on top etc, why not just take nitdroid and install the apk file there?17:01
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DocScrutinizeramigadave: you're the good ghost of the wiki :-D Appreciate your work a lot17:03
lolcatsandst1: i need it in maemo17:03
amigadaveDocScrutinizer: thanks :)17:04
amigadaveDocScrutinizer: if you have any suggestions, feel free to ping me17:04
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smharslonopotamus, fapman has the same problem17:05
smharslonopotamus, I stand corrected. it works, it seems, although it complains about no network17:07
smharI just kept ignoring the errors and it installs17:08
DocScrutinizersmhar: the problem is that connection deamon2 (I forgot the TLA) isn't aware of USV17:09
DocScrutinizersmhar: it's all in the wiki17:10
smhardocscrutinizer, care to give a link?17:10
smharI do not remember having this problem with PR1.217:11
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Venemokhertan, ping17:27
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DocScrutinizer...and fapman is known to break things every now and then17:27
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Venemokhertan, how hard would it be to enable KhtEditor to run C files?17:28
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DocScrutinizermoo Venemo17:28
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Venemohey DocScrutinizer :)17:29
VenemoDocScrutinizer, moo to you too17:29
VenemoDocScrutinizer, how're you?17:29
DocScrutinizerlobotomised, coffe doesn't kick in17:30
smharthanks docscrutinizer17:30
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smharI am using fapman with PR1.3, but why do I see packages with pr1.2 in their names?17:30
DocScrutinizerbecause of fapman being broken by design17:31
smhardocscrutinizer, so?17:31
DocScrutinizerfapman is fast just because it's lazy on a lot of things that HAM takes care of17:31
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chxthat's a really unfortunate name for an application manager.17:35
DocScrutinizerusually you get away with being lazy on such things like rebuilding dependencies tree after every single pkg install, and also checking dependencies of all pkg explicitly and implicitly installed prior to starting with first install. But sometimes fapman simply fscks up the system17:35
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DocScrutinizerchx: I start to like it, it seems appropriate ;-D17:36
smharit is time then to uninstall it17:36
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smharit seems my best option is apt17:36
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DocScrutinizersmhar: some braindamaged pkgs like e.g starhash-enabler (blush) are so weird they don't install at all under apt, they need HAM17:38
smhardocscrutinizer, so for normal use, it is apt, for weird stuff it is HAM17:39
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DocScrutinizerwell, the project lead of those pkgs (starhash, h-e-n) is a real moron and should've seen the issue right away17:40
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, so, fapman is horseshit. that's no news.17:40
DocScrutinizersmhar: yep17:40
MohammadAGum, I packaged hen, it works fine from apt17:40
MohammadAGapt-get install hostmode-gui17:41
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MohammadAGalso, what's wrong with starhash-enabler?17:41
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: the project lead of h-e-n should have vetoed on the insane requester popping up on X17:41
DocScrutinizerbuzzword i2ctools17:42
DocScrutinizer*# simply fals when installed via apt-get on a root account without run-standalone.sh17:43
MohammadAGbut it installs fine from apt ;)17:43
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DocScrutinizeri2ctools pops up a requester on X that's for sure not always the xterm screen you're running apt on17:44
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DocScrutinizeryou might run apt to install i2ctools on a machine that *has no* X17:44
DocScrutinizernot yet at least17:44
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DocScrutinizer*# simply fails - probably because of the dbus-send  notifiers used to introduce eyecandy17:46
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DocScrutinizeruser root's session bus is not always (actually never) the same as user user's session bus17:47
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DocScrutinizerso, depending on whether you used root or sudo gainroot, install in apt will fail or work17:48
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MohammadAGbut there's run-standalone.sh17:49
MohammadAGmeaning it should work both ways17:49
Venemobb, will be back17:49
DocScrutinizerif the idiot 'developing' *# had taken care of it, yes17:50
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: i2ctools otoh isn't just rising a notifier, it's actually waiting to accept a requester, which might pop up on a device with broken LCD sitting room next door, and operated via wlan ssh exclusively17:53
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I'm aware this is really hard to fix17:53
MohammadAGCTRL+C I think17:53
MohammadAGI don't think I made it check for exit code = 017:54
DocScrutinizerumm, this will abort, not continue ;-D17:54
MohammadAGso if you're lucky, that will ... oh17:54
MohammadAGit's actually very easy to fix17:54
DocScrutinizerkick that requester :-D17:55
MohammadAGecho -e "#!/bin/sh\n\nEcho 'Bla bla'" > /usr/bin/maemo-confirm-text17:55
Jonnehey, i'm having issues getting the mobile hotspot thing to work. is this the right channel to get help on this?17:55
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: heh17:55
Jonnebasically my laptop doesn't get an ip address from the n90017:56
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: the question would be why sshd sets DISPLAY17:56
javispedroprobably because of the evil .profile scripts...17:57
DocScrutinizerumm, does it? is this relevant here?17:57
javispedrowithout display, maemo-confirm-text would... "crash gracefully".17:57
DocScrutinizerthis is not about X forwarding, it's about a mere terminal on a remote machine17:58
javispedroyes, so DISPLAY should be unset.17:58
DocScrutinizergood point17:58
javispedroMohammadAG: gracefully as in "let's hope the script has an exit 0 below the call to maemo-display-text"17:59
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DocScrutinizerwell, usually you want the host's DISPLAY on remote sessions, to start up things on host's X18:00
MohammadAGbut that isn't true by default18:00
MohammadAG(on proper systems)18:00
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MohammadAGeven MeeGo does it right18:00
DocScrutinizerdoes what?18:01
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javispedronot set $DISPLAY in a ssh remote session18:01
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DocScrutinizerwhatever it is, it's a problem of ssh pkg18:03
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MohammadAGssh package shouldn't f with my .profile ;)18:04
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javispedroYeah, I do not think it's a problem of ssh perse, more maemo's.18:05
DocScrutinizernah, ssh should come with a proper profile for ssh login18:05
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javispedrothe only other unix I know that does this is...18:05
javispedrosurprise surprise, Interix.18:05
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diazohi there18:06
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diazodoes anybody know if there will be a new kernel for maemo?18:06
DocScrutinizeranyway, it seems to me the short term fix is to add a `unset DISPLAY` to my apt-get wrapper script18:07
BCMMdiazo: an official one from nokia? hahaha. unofficial ones? see kernel-power18:07
javispedroactually, for "newer" kernels, you should look for meego.18:07
DocScrutinizerwhich probably still will cause *# install to break18:07
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diazoBCMM: kernel-power is too old18:08
BCMMyeah, hadn't realised it's still a .2818:08
diazouhm maego18:08
diazomaego kernel instead?18:08
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javispedrothere will be no newer maemo kernels.18:08
BCMMwhat is the technical barrier to updating kernel-power to a more recent upstream kernel?18:08
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javispedroBCMM: user space breakage.18:09
javispedro_closed_ user space breakage.18:09
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BCMMjavispedro: huh. how come?18:09
javispedroand lots of patches to forward port (however, meego already has some of them partially done)18:09
BCMMactual userspace breakage, not just binary drivers that are compiled against a specific kernel version?18:09
diazoso is it very hard?18:09
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javispedrodiazo: obviously, it all depends on your amount of free time.. but yes, it requires something more than a "make" =)18:10
javispedroBCMM: yes. there are no binary drivers in maemo!18:10
diazojavispedro: got it..18:10
BCMMjavispedro: out of interest, where are the userspace breakages?18:10
BCMMi mean, what has changed so dramatically?18:11
BCMMor is it just something stupid like a renamed sysfs interface?18:11
diazothx for the info :)18:11
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MohammadAGget mce, bme, modem driver, SGX driver, port 2.6.37 and you'll have a new kernel18:12
MohammadAGquestion is, is it worth it?18:12
javispedroBCMM: you should ask meego-arm, but not even the stock n900 bme booted, they had a special nokia version made for them.18:12
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BCMMMohammadAG: so what's the deal with the modem driver and so on? the kernel appears untainted...18:16
DocScrutinizerkernel devels are funny people, the obviously *love* to mess up sysfs names for every minor kernel revision18:18
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DocScrutinizerso no devels will miss they released a new kernel and all the work they did to improve it ;-P18:19
javispedroahaha, I just remembered there was that wiki page detailing the experience you had in OM with some sysfs breakage :D18:20
DocScrutinizer""wow, cool!! the 3rd new kernel with changed sysfs this week. Those guys are awesome. Now my app will not feel silly anymore using /sys/bar/foo, it can use /sys/foo/bar now - GREAT!""18:20
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javispedroand this is why should write all of the sysfs code in javascript.18:22
javispedrobecause when the APIs are on wheels..18:22
BCMMno, this is why one needs to modify the string literals in the BME binary :)18:22
MohammadAGor get the meego bme18:22
* DocScrutinizer waits for /sys/*/LEDs/vibrator/brightness getting renamed to /sys/*/LEDs_et_al/vibrators/1/dim18:23
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* javispedro hits diazo for asking on #meego wheter "someone had tried meego on the n900"18:23
MohammadAGleds already changed to something unreadable18:24
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diazojavispedro: ?_?18:24
javispedrois there anyone who hasn't tried meego on the n900 =)18:24
javispedroraise your hands18:24
javispedroDocScrutinizer, don't.18:25
javispedrohah, I knew it.18:25
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DocScrutinizerI'm never watching splatter movies either ;-D18:26
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DocScrutinizerno use for that kind of thrill18:27
JaffaMeeGo on the N900's great...18:27
Jaffa...for making you appreciate Maemo 5 ;-)18:27
DocScrutinizeroh YEAH18:27
DocScrutinizeractually, the way you put it, I agree18:27
ZogGUSA presidents : ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☻18:27
MohammadAGthat's racist :p18:28
ZogGis it?18:28
ZogGis it MohammadAG18:28
MohammadAGI didn't know there were black smileys anyway18:28
ZogGi think it's racist of you thinking it's racist18:28
javispedroJaffa: excellent work on MWKN as per usual ;)18:28
DocScrutinizeris it racism to state " MohammadAG  is an Arab"18:29
ZogGMohammadAG, there are no black smilies, only afrom-smilies18:29
Jaffajavispedro: thanks to GAN900 as well then18:29
ZogGDocScrutinizer, damn, it makes CSSU unkosher =(18:29
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, arabs aren't a race :p18:29
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MohammadAGZogG, lol18:30
javispedroJaffa: yes, I was reading the symbian stuff atm though :)18:30
ZogGMohammadAG, actually they are18:30
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: as colored people aren't18:30
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BCMMZogG: depends who you count as an arab, to some extent18:31
DocScrutinizernow I tend to declare this topic to be political, and politics are a ban'able subject, except on ##politics18:32
BCMMbut surely it's much closer to a cultural identity18:32
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ZogGArab people also known as "Arabs" (Arabic: عرب‎, ʿarab) are an ethnic group primarily living in the Arab World which is located in West Asia and North Africa. They identify as such on one or more of genealogical, linguistic, or cultural grounds.,[12] with tribal affiliations, and intra-tribal relationships playing an important part of Arab identity in tracing descendant of a national from an Arab state.[13]18:33
MohammadAGI lost the bottom microB toolbar18:33
Jaffajavispedro: Ah, I'll take the credit there :-)18:33
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javispedroomg freenode has a #politics channel?18:34
ZogGMohammadAG, sorry to say but i think you shoud rethink and redo it =(18:34
* javispedro ponders if it's a trap before trying to join =)18:34
ZogGmaybe hjolding on light-detector or something liek that18:34
MohammadAGredo what o_O18:34
ZogGas it always pop-up unwanted =(18:34
rjeowhy having this discussion here?18:34
MohammadAGI said microB, not mediabar18:34
MohammadAGit's open source anyway18:35
ZogGMohammadAG, oh sorry, misunderstood, but still i mean it about mediabar18:35
DocScrutinizerrjeo: I'm about to stop it right now18:35
rjeoDocScrutinizer: it would be great :)18:35
ZogGDocScrutinizer, are you going to selfban?18:35
MohammadAGfor now, the mediaplayer's my priority18:36
ZogGrjeo, are you jealous that you are nothing special liek MohammadAG to talk about? =)18:36
DocScrutinizerZogG: OT policy: nothing is OT until somebody complains it is. From then on everybody has to consider what it actually is and act accordingly18:36
BCMMthis is the internet. you are all computers, until you pass the Turing test.18:36
rjeoZogG: i rather see joins/parts than a silly discussion that have nothing to do with the channel subject18:37
ZogGMohammadAG, and it would be clever choice, but just saying that you know18:37
BCMM(computers do not have races)18:37
ZogGBCMM, do you have intel or amd/18:37
ZogGhere you go18:37
BCMMZogG: you're asking that *here* of all places?18:37
ZogGgood one18:38
DocScrutinizertoggles_: also my comment should serve as a 'first warning' in sense of IRC rules18:38
DocScrutinizersorry toggles_18:38
ZogGi would love my N900 more if it wasn't ARM but it was caleld ARGGGG18:38
DocScrutinizerZogG: ^^^18:38
javispedroasking if you have intel or amd is racism.18:38
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DocScrutinizerZogG: rjeo 's comment is a second warning18:39
javispedroso let's talk about something more family friendly, like wheter why hasn't DocScrutinizer installed Meego on his N900 ;)18:39
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DocScrutinizersimple answer: I need a working device18:40
MohammadAGI <3 Hildon18:40
DocScrutinizerthat as well18:40
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ZogGDocScrutinizer got his brightness applet and plays cool now, huh? man i have all logs so don't make me release " DocScrutinizer is a sissy" to wikileaks =)18:40
ZogGoh, have anyone managed to link boost to Nokia SDK ?18:41
lcukJaffa, did you file specific targetted bugs when you did your tests?  Or at least check where they are18:41
MohammadAGSc0rpius, any plans to send a merge request for tree view mode?18:41
lcukecause obviously getting the right things fixed helps the DeveloperEdition greatly18:42
DocScrutinizerlibboost? err libbloat18:42
BCMMgah, boost18:42
Jaffalcuk: In Qt Creator? No, I'm going to.18:42
ZogGDocScrutinizer, not working as common packages18:42
DocScrutinizerI guess RAM of N900 is too small for the lib alone18:42
BCMMthe ultimate dependency-trolling18:42
lcukJaffa, I meant when you just said about using MeeGo on n90018:42
Jaffalcuk: Oh, yes.18:42
Jaffalcuk: But it was ages ago, I've not given it a fair shake and was commenting for humourous/FUD (delete as appropriate) effect18:43
BCMMi hate it when one tries to install some tiny, tiny utility and it depends on something insane like boost or V18:43
BCMMJava, rather18:43
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: LOL18:44
MohammadAGwhat's boost?18:45
DocScrutinizerboost, the better/next c++18:45
lcukJaffa, well yes, FUD would be the one in this case, there is a lot of work by very dedicated people trying to ensure that MeeGo on handsets works well18:45
MohammadAGwhat does it do?18:45
lcukand since the N900 is the defacto prototype for this18:45
ZogGBCMM, i was serious about boost18:45
BCMMDocScrutinizer: (thanks. i kept it non-political by not mentioning libgnome :p)18:46
DocScrutinizerit's like Qt^318:46
BCMMMohammadAG: it's a huge library of everything18:46
javispedroboost? It's like if someone just discovered templates is a turing complete language and decided to play with it.18:46
BCMMMohammadAG: maths functions, common algorithms, etc.18:47
ZogGit is used in one lib i'm using for my app, but i can't link it =(18:47
MohammadAGoh, so it's the new memtest18:47
BCMMa way to make C++ have a function for everything18:47
DocScrutinizerlibboost-regex, libboost-fartplayback18:47
MohammadAGeven doDishes()?18:47
* ZogG learned something today — you can't over troll ops =)18:48
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ZogGDocScrutinizer is there special older than 18 liciense for kinky functions?18:49
BCMMZogG: because ops kick *slightly before* they rage?18:49
DocScrutinizerprobably, ZogG18:49
ZogGbut seriosly does anyone linked it?18:49
BCMMon my desktop, boost has over 15k files18:50
ZogGthere is boost in extras18:50
BCMMand that doesn't include docs or boost-build18:50
DocScrutinizerwhat's the pkg ize?18:50
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DocScrutinizeronce I needed to build noost from source, it ate several GB of my disk18:50
DocScrutinizerand took like one day to build18:51
ZogGi dunno18:51
ZogGi have boost and boost-buld from source18:51
BCMMit's worse than building firefox.18:51
ZogGgentoo ftw18:51
DocScrutinizermeh, blindtyping practice on IRC18:51
DocScrutinizer~slap DocScrutinizer18:52
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newbie007would it be possible to connect a device to the n900 which would serve as an external touchscreen?  I'd like the n900 to be the brains for a touch screen device that has multitouch capabilities18:52
ZogGBCMM, nothing is worser thn building firefox or chromium18:52
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BCMMZogG: i take it you use a binary openoffice :)18:52
crashanddie_newbie007: the performance would be horrendous though18:52
BCMMnothing, at all, is ever worse than the openoffice build process18:52
ZogGBCMM, haha, no way18:52
ZogGBCMM, LibreOffice now18:52
BCMMyeah, i hear they plan to clean it up18:52
crashanddie_newbie007: either you have to go through bluetooth, which drains the battery, or wifi, which has crappy latency (especially with PSM), or USB, which impedes mobility18:53
BCMMgentoo forces -j1 for oo.o18:53
newbie007LibreOffice is better imho18:53
ZogGwhy would i?18:53
BCMMthe build process is too fragile for parallel compilation for some reason18:53
ZogGBCMM, Daniel Robbinson uses -j12 on his "box"18:53
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newbie007I see, thanks18:53
BCMMZogG: how many cores does it have?18:53
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ZogG2 dual xens cpu's =)18:54
BCMMZogG: what i meant was that regardless of make.conf, app-office/openoffice builds with -j1 so it doesn't break18:54
newbie007just that my n900 is a waay better device OS/app wise than this other new device I have which is larger and has a faster chip. Doesn't have the gps, camera etc..18:54
ZogGBCMM, i lied, let me quote "This is on a Dell R710 - dual Xeon 5530's - 16 threads, 8 cores..."18:55
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newbie007could my n900 connect to the internet via 3g then supply a connet to the internet via wifi ?18:56
newbie007 " a *connection to the internet wia wifi ?"18:57
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BCMMnewbie007: yes18:58
BCMMnewbie007: mobilehotspot provides a nice GUI for doing that18:58
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orangeyWow. I feel quite in despair over Nokia's recent moves18:59
BCMMnewbie007: note that it requires kernel-power, iirc due to lack of NAT capability in the default kernel18:59
BCMM(no netfilter at all, i think)18:59
ruskiethe cssu should add a everything relevant to that kernel setup imo...19:00
ruskieatleast as a more advanced base kernel19:01
ruskieso that things don't need to rely on the power-kernel for such things19:01
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BCMMn1x0n: ?19:03
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n1x0nBCMM: nah just a fail with not puttin /j before channel name ;P19:05
aptaw, gee, DocScrutinizer19:05
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DocScrutinizer@ops, please kick apt as soon as infobot joins19:07
mecewho's apt?19:07
DocScrutinizer(though I guess that'll not happen)19:07
DocScrutinizerapt is infobot's alter ego19:08
mecethat douche!19:08
DocScrutinizermece: /whois apt19:08
meceye got it already19:09
DocScrutinizernot who's abp?19:09
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[criipt]I searched alot for a solution, But I still can't find a way to block 3.5G on my n900.19:11
lcuk[criipt], a lead lined case helps.19:11
DocScrutinizerwhen Tim Riker reboots, apt probably will /quit prior to infobot joining here19:11
[criipt]I want to use 3G though.19:11
[criipt]Just 3.5G i want to block.19:11
newbie007BCMM: Thanks19:11
DocScrutinizercrashanddie_: that's impossible19:11
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MohammadAGI think the operator decides what you want19:12
DocScrutinizer[criipt]: ^^^19:12
[criipt]MohammadAG, Well, there is this applet to switch between 2G and 3G.19:12
DocScrutinizersorry crashanddie_19:12
MohammadAG2G and 3G are different19:12
DocScrutinizer[criipt]: x.5 is x.0 with enhanced parameters19:12
[criipt]huh.. DocScrutinizer, Nokia cells allow you to switch between utms and HSDP right ! why not possible on n900.19:13
DocScrutinizeryou can't block .5 without blocking .0 as well19:13
MohammadAGMost Nokia phones I've used only allow 2G or 3(.5)G19:13
[criipt]DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG , Reason, Im doing this is cause. My plan is for 3G alone. and the moment it switched to 3.5G the speeds drop ridiculously low.19:13
crashanddie_DocScrutinizer: sorry?19:14
newbie007I think if maemo was ported (perhaps pirated) over to some of these android driven machines then users would start dropping andoid and maemo would take off19:14
DocScrutinizercrashanddie_: for ETAB19:14
[criipt]DocScrutinizer, Darn =(19:14
jacekowski[criipt]: it's same thing19:14
MohammadAGnewbie007, port debian and hildon-desktop, it's easier19:14
DocScrutinizer<DocScrutinizer> crashanddie_: that's impossible  <- was meant to [criipt]19:14
javispedropirated =)19:15
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DocScrutinizeryeah, lol19:15
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javispedrothe top two games in android's app store most sold items list are gpl violations, so maybe "Pirated" was the right word there.19:17
DocScrutinizeryou could 'pirate' all the blobs - if you could :-P19:17
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* javispedro worries about state of council elections19:18
* DocScrutinizer too19:18
DocScrutinizer/topic !19:19
javispedroI'm not sure those deadlines are viable anymore.19:20
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lcukDocScrutinizer, the topic is:19:20
lcukWelcome to #maemo | | Maemo Community Council | Source: | Chanlog: | Just one more week to council elections!
javispedrolcuk: botsnack! ;)19:20
lcuksometimes it helps :P19:21
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DocScrutinizersometimes it also helps to actually read it19:21
DocScrutinizeresp the last |* I added some two days ago19:21
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lcukI pasted it for others to see19:22
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lcukthe topic is there but it is a very long string and irc clients often only show a single line19:22
MohammadAGtime to upgrade some clients19:23
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DocScrutinizermy xchat actually hides it completely19:23
javispedrothis channel's #topic has always been too long19:23
DocScrutinizer/topic however should work on all clients19:24
javispedroyet I'm not sure what I would remove.19:24
FauxFauxPretty much all clients print the topic in response to /topic, don't they?19:24
FauxFauxTinyurl time.19:24
MohammadAGI'd remove :)19:24 is shorter19:24
javispedrourl shorteners are for pussies19:24
MohammadAGalso, why are meego sources in the topic?19:25
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: just about every chan's topic tends to be too long19:25
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javispedrolook at the top #10, in users.19:25
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: because these are in fact maemo sources ;-P19:25
FauxFauxMohammadAG: ¬_¬19:25
javispedromaemo is longest of all top 40 channels or so19:26
MohammadAGI don't open sites ending with .ws :P19:26
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javispedroit is also virtually second longest of the top #1000 channels =)19:26
DocScrutinizerI don't open any URL that's not clear about what it is19:26
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: that's just since I ruthlessly truncated the #openmoko* topics :-D19:27
javispedrowe should just set a shorter topic inspired by some other channels topic19:28
javispedrolike "More wag, less bark"19:28
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maybeArghmore waaagh?19:28
DocScrutinizerwell, most of the topic is heritage, possibly from channel owner/founder19:28
javispedro"Insert credit to continue" =)19:29
DocScrutinizerI'm reluctant to do heavy editing on it19:29
javispedrosame -- <javispedro> yet I'm not sure what I would remove.19:29
lcuk"Patches welcome"19:29
ZogG_laptopme again19:30
DocScrutinizerhe again!19:30
ZogG_laptopi feel bad about bugging people, but ping Venemo =019:31
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer, whenu wasn't here javispedro was laughting about me =(19:31
javispedroare you alligoodidea/govprog? then no, I wasn't :P19:32
DocScrutinizerooohnoes, I missed a laugh19:32
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ZogG_laptopmy friend is doing CPU's at intel (he got job) but he is unwilling to bring me some i7's home =(19:33
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javispedrowell, Intel is large you know, probably only marketing guys get that ;)19:35
ZogG_laptopacuyally he told they only make chips with no box and pins19:36
ZogG_laptoplike only the inside of CPUs19:36
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javispedrowhile on the topic of the /topic, maybe we could remove the Source: section and add it to ChanServ's welcome to this channel msg.19:37
ZogG_laptopi hate word boost as google get it wrong19:37
javispedroalso link, which, as flashy and cool the site is, hasn't been updated in ages.19:37
ZogG_laptop|  — that is irrilevant as there we have old info19:37
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ZogG_laptopi propose one wiki page for IRC with important info like maemo council link, maemo link at nokia and some rules and here in topic only most important hot topics19:38
ZogG_laptoplike PR1.4 is comming out soon19:39
javispedropeople, vote!19:39
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: chanserv welcome frequently gets lost in login chat of client19:40
javispedroso I'd take ZogG_laptop 's idea and make "Exploring Maemo's source" wiki page entry point19:40
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javispedrothat would probably be even better than the current links...19:41
ZogG_laptopbut topic whould be like "Welcome to the official maemo community, if't your first time check | This week new Qt was released19:41
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: appreciated19:41
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DocScrutinizerZogG_laptop's idea has quite some appeal19:42
DocScrutinizer...if we can lock that page19:42
ZogG_laptopwhere first one would be static with maemo wiki link about IRC and maybe maemo link and second part is dynamic19:42
_|Nix|_Hey! Has anyone successfully used fMMS? I'm trying tosend a picture taken with my N900 and it keeps timing out. Will it start to work if I set it to a smaller picture size?19:42
andre__try and report back?19:43
ZogG_laptopi think we should elect DocScrutinizer as the topic master and he should update topic every hour from mwkn twitter =)19:43
ZogG_laptop_|Nix|_, you sould try, worked for me19:43
DocScrutinizerjust because I'm a bot doesn't mean I'm acting like a script19:43
ZogG_laptopyou don't?19:44
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ZogG_laptopso why did you try "sudo make love" on me last evening here?19:44
ZogG_laptopi' desperate19:45
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MohammadAGcause he knew the user wasn't in sudoers19:45
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG, don't help him out of this one19:45
ZogG_laptopi'm stuck with my client19:46
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ZogG_laptopand i wanted to implant 2 last things before i make 0.0.1 release and up it to extra-extra-devel-devil19:46
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merlin1991-deve-devil what's that for, compiling vb script to c and do random echos to kmem?19:48
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DocScrutinizerdefcon1, Pinky err ZogG_laptop has a plan to conquer the world19:53
ZogGDocScrutinizer, i don't plan, i just put the aim and do it19:54
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DocScrutinizerhow about a nice game of chess?19:55
MohammadAGsigh @ email on maemo-developers19:56
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javispedrook, /topic topic is now shorter than #freenode 's ; I guess that's OK for me =)20:00
* javispedro adds CSSU gitorious page to the list20:01
ZogG_laptopjavispedro, and cssu chan than20:01
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javispedrothat would be for the IRC page, let's keep Sources for sources.20:02
javispedroI think it should also be reference from the "Development" tab in maemo.org20:02
javispedroit's getting outdated.20:02
ZogG_laptopoh i thought that one was for irc20:02
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DocScrutinizerif it were for irc, then I'd shorten the topic more radically20:11
javispedroyes, though I'm not sure if there's any better page for that than "" itself.20:11
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: the council landing page is kinda errr hostile? At least it's not a page about who and what is council20:12
javispedroyes, it is a news page after all20:13
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javispedrothe "what the hell it is" page is
JaffaCos is the news feed (as midgard seems to call it)20:13
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javispedroouch, wiki's rss feed is failing.20:15
javispedro*rss feed import thing20:15
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javispedro(I mean  )20:15
* javispedro just tried resubmitting it to see if it invoked a refresh but no..20:16
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* javispedro thinks the irc entry point page doesn't look that good:
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javispedromaybe a IRC FAQ page, like there's and ;)20:25
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, =)20:29
Venemoboth Thunerbird on my laptop and Modest on my N900 are set to put my sent mail into the Sent folder. still, I don't see messages sent from N900 in Thunderbird, nor messages sent from laptop in Modest20:29
DocScrutinizerwell, not actually. It's too lengthy and dynamic. The landing zone should just duplicate the topic as is, maybe with a bit elaborated wording, and including/referring a few IRC guidelines. For the rest just link to the relevant webpages20:29
VenemoZogG_laptop, how's your project? :)20:29
ZogG_laptopVenemo, terrible20:30
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: so your first shot was a better hit20:30
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, did u built something with boost? can't link it20:31
Sc0rpiusVenemo, Sent emails from Modest are stored in a local N900 Sent folder20:31
DocScrutinizerthough it really doesn't look good yet20:31
Sc0rpiusand Modest doesn't support to save your Sent mails in your remote folder20:31
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Sc0rpiusand yes, it would be nice if someday it does that20:31
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VenemoZogG_laptop, I haven't20:32
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VenemoZogG_laptop: if you tell me how to put that xmms thingy on my Fedora, I'll put together a quick demo20:34
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ZogG_laptopVenemo just install it20:35
ZogG_laptopxmms2 is the name20:35
ZogG_laptophere are the links20:36
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VenemoZogG: sorry20:42
VenemoZogG: this shit keeps freezing20:42
VenemoZogG: -> which are the ones I need?20:42
ZogG_laptopVenemo, here are links20:43
ZogG_laptopunder fedora section20:43
AsiQuehey all, is there any xterm available in the sdk (when runing xypher) or can i use scratchboxe's terminal for it?20:43
VenemoZogG_laptop: I won't install random tarballs if there are packages in the repo20:44
VenemoZogG_laptop: just please tell me which packages I need20:44
ZogG_laptopVenemo, u need pulse, mp3, xmms220:46
VenemoZogG_laptop: ok20:46
ZogG_laptopand pulse if u use pulseaudio20:47
VenemoZogG_laptop: okay20:48
ZogG_laptopVenemo, u may want gxmms2 as GUI for this, and xmms2-devel for api/client libs20:49
Macerwhy is the 3G to 3.5G handoff so horrible20:52
Macerevery time maemo swaps over i get ahiccup20:52
Macerit is driving me nuts. i have to keep dropping it to 2G20:53
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ds3what problem do you see on the 3G to 3.5G handoff?20:54
ds3I see a smooth hand off from 2G to 2.5G to 3G to 3.5G20:55
Macerit hiccups20:55
Macerssh especially20:55
Macersometimes it doesn't come back20:56
ds3where geographically are you?20:56
Macerwhen i am in an area where it keeps going back and forth20:56
Maceri have a strong signal.20:57
ds3*nod* I was just there a few weeks ago20:57
Macerbut i guess it falls right under the 3.5G threshold20:57
ds3Chicago proper or outlying suburbs?20:57
Macerback and forth.... then it keeps doing the hiccup20:57
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Maceralso. the video chatting over 3G seems kind of crappy... it will work... but seems almost like tmob is filtering it20:58
Macereven in other cities... houston did the same thing.. so did seattle20:58
ds3the only weakcoverage outside ofa bldg was way down south in the 100st area (near Ford City mall)20:58
Macerand there arent too many phones that do the sorts of awesome stuff the n900 does. like video chatting over gtalk20:59
Macerhope meego is able to video chat :)20:59
Macerthat one is kind of a deal breaker for me20:59
Sc0rpiusMeego is dead21:00
ds3I have seen weird stuff when I am roaming (going from TMO to a roaming carrier)21:00
MacerSc0rpius: no it isn't21:00
Macerthe n900 team is still trying to work on it21:00
Sc0rpiusit's totally dead, I'm amazed people still think there will be a device using Meego21:00
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Sc0rpiusand Meego on the n900 = TOTAL fail21:01
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Maceryah. but that is nokia/ti's fault21:01
Macerthey roadblocked their own os :)21:01
rm_workis that just for now, or will it never work properly due to closed drivers or some such?21:01
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Macerbut some people are still trying to get it working on the n900 but i dont see it any time soon21:01
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rm_workis the Mer project still alive?21:02
Macerrm_work: seems like the closed drivers are the largest issue21:02
Venemorm_work: no21:02
Macerno. mer died a while back21:02
Sc0rpiusI don't think that's the issue21:02
rm_workdid it die once Stskeeps went to work for Nokia? lol21:02
Macernitdroid would be pretty good for an n81021:02
Sc0rpiusso the real solution to everybody's problem is21:02
Sc0rpiusinstead of trying to make something useless as Meego work21:03
MacerSc0rpius: i do21:03
rm_worki worked on Mer basically for 3 days during the Maemo/Mozilla hackfest last year21:03
Macerif meego had a dull working n900 driver set it would have taken off by now21:03
Sc0rpiusthey should work to make Maemo better.21:03
rm_workerr, year and a half ago maybe? whatever21:03
Venemorm_work: no, sts abandoned it a while before he joined MeeGo21:03
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rm_workhrm, sad21:03
ds3is Sts still working for Nokia on meego?21:03
Venemods3, ask him21:04
MacerSc0rpius: i think the biggest problem with meego is that it tried to become its own thing21:04
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Macerhad it been dedicated to the n900 then it could have been done alreasdy21:05
RST38hHELO punks21:05
Macerbut they wanted to add the hardware into the actual linux arm kernel21:05
VenemoRST38h: I'm not a punk21:05
Macerin hopes that meego would be a portable distro21:05
RST38hVenemo: Ok then, you have not been greeted.21:06
Macerthey should have concentrated on just using the existing maemo base on the n900 and at least showed the world something worth using that was fully functional on a device21:06
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Macerinstead of worrying about a future distribution... nobody likes waiting to see how something is when you have android on the forefront21:07
Sc0rpiuswell only an N900 owner would say something like that hehe21:07
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Macerprobably ;)21:07
Sc0rpiusbut yeah they should have released a device with Meego on it sooner21:07
Sc0rpiusnow it's too late21:07
VenemoMacer: they have been using the existing maemo base for Maemo 6, called Harmattan21:08
Macerthe only way to truly save the project would be to finish it21:08
vi___what is the password for root user when using backupmenu 0.62 ssh?21:08
Sc0rpiuswithout big companies paying big salaries, it's unlikely it'll be ever finished21:08
MacerVenemo: i meant the existing base as far as a kernel and modules go.. even a chroot would have been better than this long dragged out port21:09
VenemoSc0rpius: intel does21:09
Sc0rpiusIntel just wants to put Intel Atoms on phones21:09
vi___anyone? i have tried the user password and root password21:09
vi___wtf is it?21:09
Sc0rpiusthat's why they were involved in this21:09
MacerSc0rpius: i disagree. the problem is the lack of a finished driver set or a good openlike device to put it on21:09
RST38hYes, more atoms in phones!21:09
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Sc0rpiusI know you are all optimistic and stuff21:10
* RST38h politely suggests omitting the word "open" from discussion: neither companies nor end users are interested in the "open"21:10
Sc0rpiuseven though I don't think I will ever see a Meego device21:10
Sc0rpiusthe contract says Nokia has to release at least ONE Meego device21:10
Sc0rpiusand that's the N950 everybody has been talking about lately21:10
Macerso it just turns into the same rproblem mer had :)21:10
Macerlack of hardware21:10
RST38hThey are interested in a comfortable, feature complete, supported platform though21:10
fralsSc0rpius: what contract?21:11
Venemowhat the f?21:11
VenemoN950 is not a MeeGo device21:11
Sc0rpiusthe Nokia - Intel contract about Meego21:11
MacerRST38h: haha21:11
Maceri said "openlike" ;)21:11
Sc0rpiusN950 is a Meego device21:11
fralsSc0rpius: and you know this how?21:11
VenemoSc0rpius, no, it's a Maemo 6 device21:11
aptfrals meant: Sc0rpius: and you 'know' this how?21:11
Sc0rpiusall links in the world say that.21:11
Sc0rpiusand N9 was cancelled21:12
VenemoSc0rpius, that's because Maemo 6 is marketed as "MeeGo", remember?21:12
Sc0rpiusMaemo 6 was never finished either21:12
Sc0rpiusactually I prefer a new Maemo device than Meego devices.21:12
Sc0rpiusbut I'm pretty sure that will be a Meego device21:12
vi___so no one here uses backup menu huh?21:13
Sc0rpiusI do21:13
vi___have you used the SSH feature yet?21:13
* RST38h yawns: yes, it will be a Maemo6-based device,otherwose known as Harmattan21:13
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VenemoRST38h ++21:14
javispedroEHLO RST38h21:14
Sc0rpiusI just use it to backup21:14
javispedroRST38h: saw ;)21:14
RST38hAll this "meego" stuff, related to it, is just smoke and mirrors from foribly misled Nokia PR department21:14
vi___has ANYONE here used the SSH function of backup menu yet?21:14
VenemoRST38h ++21:15
RST38hjavispedro: Yea. I think it is a lot of fear+loathing and some mushrooms.21:15
MacerRST38h: agreed ;)21:15
DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st has, I bet21:15
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Macerit is all aboutwinmob in 1121:15
RST38hFurthermore, I have no idea why everyone is so pumped up about "meego": unless you are a system developer, like Stskeeps,it makes no freaking difference whether you run your UI on top of Meego or Debian21:15
VenemoMacer: winmob is horseshit21:16
Sc0rpiuswell brb, I'm gonna install Win7 SP121:16
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vi___well robbiethiest is not here...21:16
RST38hFor systems people, the Meego/Maemo thing does make a bit of difference though21:16
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vi___I am trying to access my device over ssh through backup menu.  I can ping it (over usb) but when I try to log in it just says:Permission denied (publickey,password).21:16
vi___which is total horsescock21:17
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RST38hjavispedro: here is a bit more interesting piece:
javispedroold, and third-party..21:19
RST38hI doubt we will see a first party implementation :)21:20
rm_workvi___: you sure it isn't set to the root password of your device?21:21
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vi___I am pretty sure I have tried it about 500 times now21:22
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vi___fuck it21:24
vi___it also has mass-storage mode21:24
vi___I can run a fsck on it from there21:25
ZogGVenemo, did you managed to install and launch ity?21:26
* javispedro heard for the first time ever someone pronnounce "Tcl" "tickle".21:27
vi___<Venemo> Macer: winmob is horseshit21:27
* vi___ concurs21:27
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VenemoZogG, yes21:27
rm_workvi___: "passwd command will update the root password, which changes BackupMenu's password by extension."21:28
RST38hWhy? "tickle" is how it is pronounced,no?21:28
VenemoZogG: and the app that you sent me works too21:29
javispedroRST38h: yes. cue confusion.21:29
rm_workvi___: according to his comment here
javispedro(including me; I didn't know better...)21:29
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ZogGVenemo i know it does, but no title thing21:31
VenemoZogG, I'm on it21:31
ZogGactually it shows title changes title only as it is lauched for the first time21:31
ZogGif you only could explain as well21:31
ZogGtrying now with glib thing but don'21:32
ZogGt like the idea of using it21:32
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ZogGand on other hand can't link boost to switch to C++21:32
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VenemoZogG: just leave it to me21:33
ZogGthat's not fun =(21:34
ZogGbut at least will get app21:34
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MohammadAGZogG, if you've never seen C/C++, I suggest you don't touch GLib/GObject :)21:41
vi___thats what i though.!21:41
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RST38hIn fact,do not touch Boost either21:42
MohammadAGerr, what's with vi___?21:42
RST38hMohammad:He talks toomuch.21:42
MohammadAGI.. see21:44
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VenemoZogG: wait a few more minutes21:49
ZogGi'm here21:53
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AsiQuewhos Andrew Flegg?21:56
AsiQuewhat's his nick here i mean :-)21:56
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VenemoAsiQue: Jaffa21:56
WizzupI suppose I don't need a special cable for h-e-n?21:57
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VenemoWizzup: you need a cable that can connect a microUSB female to a standard USB female21:59
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WizzupAh, true.22:00
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aptaw, gee, DocScrutinizer5122:09
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VenemoZogG: how can I add a song from my collection to xmms2?22:26
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ZogGVenemo just use xmms2 radd path/to/mp3s22:27
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Venemook ZogG22:27
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ensoniconion: ping22:28
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ZogGVenemo or if you installed gxmms2 you can just drag and drop22:33
VenemoZogG: drag and drop doesn't work22:33
VenemoZogG: I tried22:33
VenemoZogG: seems that this stuff doesn't call back the callback correctly.22:34
Venemoit does call it back the first time I hit any of the buttons22:35
Venemothen sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't22:35
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VenemoZogG: okay, it now call back okay, but still gives me bad values...22:37
ZogGyou just need to get id in call back22:38
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VenemoZogG: yes, and it doesn't give the right song title22:38
ZogGbut it does give you id22:38
VenemoZogG: when I jump to another song, it gives me the previous song's id22:39
ZogGbut it does change id?22:39
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VenemoZogG: I have 2 items in my playlist. I start the first, it gives correct id. I click "next", the next song starts playing and it gives the old one's id22:40
VenemoZogG: then after that I click on stop or next, and it gives me the current id.22:40
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ZogGtry to add third one22:40
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VenemoZogG: it always gives the correct id only on the second callback... :S22:42
ZogGmind to show how you did it22:42
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MohammadAGheh, media APIs are weird22:43
ZogGMohammadAG, you are22:44
MohammadAGMafwRenderer actually sends (unknown artist/album) and no album art even when I have them right from MafwSource22:44
MohammadAGZogG, fuck off :P22:44
ZogGoh yeah22:44
ZogGgive me with whom22:44
Venemostop arguing, guys22:44
MohammadAGwe're not arguing lol22:44
ZogGare we?22:45
MohammadAGat least not on IRC'22:45
* ZogG hugs Venemo 22:45
* MohammadAG drives to Tel-aviv22:45
ZogGMohammadAG wanna meet? =)22:46
JaffaAsiQue: You rang?22:46
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VenemoZogG: also ZogG, it doesn't call back the callback when I start playing a different song from gxmms222:47
MohammadAGZogG, don't think I could :P22:47
VenemoZogG: but it works in the opposite direction, so it must be working somehow22:47
MohammadAGdelay the callback22:48
VenemoMohammadAG: ha ha ha22:48
VenemoMohammadAG: it always gives the id of the previous item, so I must be missing something22:48
VenemoZogG: let's see the source code of gxmms222:48
ZogGVenemo, you mean opposite how?22:48
ZogGit's gtk22:48
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VenemoZogG: if I jump to next/previous from your app, then gxmms2 will notice the change22:48
ZogGVenemo, did you use glib?22:49
MohammadAGglib is a pita22:49
ZogGVenemo, lol22:49
ZogGVenemo, sure it is and it's not connected to you22:49
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VenemoZogG, no22:51
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VenemoZogG: the app itself uses gtk which uses glib, but it's not messed in with the xmms lib22:52
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ZogGVenemo i have several clients for xmms2 and they work not connected to eachother22:54
ZogGyou can as well try xmms2 next from console22:54
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ZogGit should send you callback as song changed and doen't matter how22:54
VenemoZogG: well gxmms2 can know when I manipulate stuff from your app22:55
MohammadAGfucking SGX22:55
VenemoZogG: anyway, I now definitely know that xmms sux22:55
ZogGhaha it doesn't22:55
VenemoZogG: I'll uninstall it as soon as I figured out this callback for you22:55
MohammadAGisn't xmms what the N8x0 uses?22:56
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ZogGmaybe first one22:57
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Venemoyou know ZogG22:58
keriodid someone port gkrellm to the n900 yet?22:58
VenemoZogG, I'm angry with you.22:58
VenemoZogG: it took me 5 minutes of search to find this:
ZogGno way22:58
VenemoZogG: native Qt4 bindings for libxmms222:59
ZogGi don't have it23:00
VenemoZogG: clone that repo, package that stuff and start using it23:00
ZogGVenemo, anyway you helped me here, you see23:02
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ZogGthough i want to see your code23:02
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VenemoZogG: anyway, I think I'm missing something23:08
VenemoZogG: I'll try something23:08
ZogGlove ? =)23:08
ZogGhmm, the problem there is no tut on libqt423:09
ZogGi mean libxxms-qt423:09
pupnik_the code is the tutorial eh?23:09
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ZogGi'll look into
VenemoZogG: seems that this lib uses a direct TCP connection to xmms23:11
ZogGVenemo you mean xmms2?23:11
ZogGdamn i mean libxmms2-qt23:12
Venemoyes ZogG, I mean23:12
ZogGok. i'll try to look into it23:12
Venemohmm ZogG, I think these callbacks are not really intended to be used like I used them.23:13
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alterego3Nyurgh, my 3G internet is being really crap :(23:14
RST38hshoot it!23:14
ZogGVenemo i don't know you didn't show me the code23:14
MohammadAGexplain 3G to IL Orange for me, kthxbai23:17
MohammadAG1MBps is shit23:17
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alteregoThat's better than I'm getting ....23:19
alteregoIt keeps dropping out, I usually get about 2Mbs23:19
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VenemoZogG: I figured out that this kind of callback is not what I was looking for really23:21
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alteregoI was thinking of buying one of those Parrot AR.Drone things and getting it to work with my N900 :D23:21
alteregoThen I saw the price.23:21
ZogGMohammadAG i got 600kbs+ for torrent on 3G23:21
VenemoZogG: so I deleted them23:23
VenemoZogG: anyway it still doesn't work as supposed23:23
VenemoZogG, as for music, I'll stick to Rythmbox :)23:24
VenemoZogG: I suggest you use that Qt binding lib, it seems pretty neat23:24
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ZogGVenemo i suggest you try xmms223:25
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VenemoZogG: I have xmms2 yes23:27
VenemoZogG: installed it just for you23:27
VenemoZogG, anyway, I'll uninstall it very soon :)23:31
MohammadAGZogG, I got 1000+ in Jordan23:31
MohammadAG(HTTP, not a torrent)23:32
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