IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-03-03

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DocScrutinizerapmefo does work all great00:02
Flyser__yes I managed to get it to work00:03
Flyser__but the UI sucks big time00:03
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DocScrutinizerthe GUI is a bit clumsy, but so what? better than editing .desktop files in vi00:03
pupni-af-komg this is awesome "Armadillo Aerospace" rocket takes off and lands on it's own pad.
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Flyser__the GUI almost made me think that apmefo was broken and remove it again^^00:04
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BCMMpupni-af-k: i LOVE the retractable landing thingies00:12
pupni-af-kme too - i was like 'where did those come from?'00:13
pupni-af-kthe thing looks so homebrew00:13
BCMMreally? i thought it looked kinda slick00:14
BCMMperhaps it's just that it looks "real"00:14
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BCMMrather than rendered for some scifi film or huge and shot from miles away like a Shuttle00:15
BCMMalso, it looks like it's stabilised solely by thrust vectoring, which is sorta neat00:15
pupni-af-kwell yea00:15
lcukBCMM, they removed the wires in postprocessing00:16
lcukand took off the thunderbirds decals00:16
BCMMactually it looks like you can see it vectoring quite aggressively around 50s00:16
lcukBCMM, well you would vector quite aggressively if you were falling from the sky00:17
BCMMit somehow seems amazing to me, just because it's kinda like balancing a stick on your nose or something00:17
lcukPencil Balancer using Vision Input (DVS) only00:17
pupni-af-ki balanced a canoe on my chin once00:17
BCMMlcuk: same sort of amazing00:18
BCMMcomputers with sufficiently low latency to smoothly maintain an inherently unstable equilibrium00:18
lcukpupni-af-k, well next time do not go swimming in a canoe lane :P00:18
pupni-af-kwell not a real one00:18
BCMMok, i take back the "smoothly" for that last link00:18
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BCMMat an Oxford engineering open day (IIRC), i saw a machine that adjusted an electromagnet fast enough to suspend a steel ball in mid-air00:20
BCMM(not diamagnetic levitation, just changing the strength of an electromagnet, often)00:21
jacekowskiBCMM: i built that myself00:21
jacekowskiBCMM: with analogue stuff00:21
jacekowskinothing fancy00:21
BCMMjacekowski: cool, how does that work?00:21
jacekowskiposition sensor00:21
BCMMyeah, that's the bit i was wondering about :)00:21
jacekowskii built it with two lasers and two ldr's00:21
BCMMoh i see, one detecting that it was too high and one too low00:22
jacekowskiso i knew if ball was too low or too high depending on resistivity of them00:22
jacekowskibut i've seen designs with one00:22
BCMMpresumably, they just slowly increase the field strength until the top laser trips, then drop it a bit, and repeat?00:23
BCMM(or the inverse)00:23
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jacekowskithat's simple way of doing it00:24
jacekowskiand it doesn't look nice00:24
BCMMi was going to ask, does your one look smooth?00:24
BCMMand if so, how come?00:24
jacekowskiideally you have ball and sensors aligned in a such way00:24
jacekowskithat it always covers part of a beam00:24
jacekowskiso you know exact position00:24
jacekowskinot just too high/low00:25
jacekowskiit's all quite simple analogue circuit00:25
jacekowskibiggest problem for me was making electromagnet00:25
BCMMthen you have an analogue reading of position and can use it somehow to adjust the field in an analogue fashion00:25
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jacekowskithat's simple circuit00:26
jacekowskiall these things are like normal magic tricks00:28
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jacekowskiit's all fun and complicated untill you don't know how it's working00:28
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jacekowskiBCMM: have you seen any of these magic shows00:30
BCMMwhich magic shows?00:30
jacekowskiBCMM: where people walk trough glass and things like that00:30
ale152does anybody know how to redirect the mic audio stream through the fm transmitter?00:30
jacekowskior fly00:30
jacekowskiand do that kind of shit00:30
BCMMi've not seen somebody walk thought glass, live00:31
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BCMM(and stuff on TV isn't even worth wondering about)00:31
jacekowskifor somebody who has no idea how it's done it's magic00:31
BCMMi have seen somebody lie on a table, levitate, and have a hoop passed along her to show there were no wires00:31
BCMMstill wanna know how they did that00:31
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jacekowskibut once you find out how it was done you realise that it's very simple00:32
jacekowskithat hoop isn't a full ring00:32
jacekowskieverybody knows that00:32
Proteoussometimes it is, there are many many ways to do that trick00:32
JaffaSomeone broken the hamsters and 770 bank?00:33
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DocScrutinizerI ate those 77000:36
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DocScrutinizerquite crunchy, yummy00:37
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DocScrutinizerdamn, I missed those that host the wiki, it's still up00:38
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JaffaAs is TMO. Which makes me think CDN00:39
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javispedromicrosoft already bought nokia, and we can't to the news =)00:43
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achipaVenemo: pong ?00:53
Venemoachipa: in which nightly is fixed?00:53
Venemoachipa: it's almost a year old bug, and my week old nightly doesn't have the fix for it00:54
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Venemoachipa: also related is
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achipaVenemo: hm,                                                                                                                                                               Fix Version/s:                                                                                                                           Qt Creator 2.2.0 (current master)01:02
Venemoachipa: I see01:02
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Venemoachipa: it was fixed on 05/Jan/11 5:55 and my version is built on Feb 2 201101:03
Venemoachipa: so why doesn't my version have the fix?01:03
achipaVenemo: but are you 2.2 or 2.1 ?01:04
achipaVenemo: date is date, but branch is branch :)01:04
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Venemoachipa: I dunno what branch is this. version number is 2.1.8101:12
achipaVenemo: hmm, that sounds like 2.2...01:13
Venemoachipa: looks like it, yes01:14
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C-S-Banyone got odb bluetooth working with carman?02:09
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SpeedEvilOn n900?02:12
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SpeedEvilI have a ODB dongle I plan to play with at some time in the future.02:13
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* javispedro makes his first hildon widget :D02:31
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pupnikdo we need a new linux phone?  get spare speakers and battery.  n900 rules spacetime.02:41
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javispedro mwahaha02:45
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pupnikwhat is that javispedro02:55
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javispedroI think you can guess :), a quite simple music visualization02:56
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nox-pupnik, got your n900 working again?02:57
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pupniknox-: yes!  spiritus toothbrush and oven baking03:00
pupnikgot a torx screwdriver to open and clean it03:00
nox-oven baking??03:00
pupniki was impatient to dry it out03:00
* nox- surprised that that didnt cause plastic to melt etc...03:00
pupnikit didn't melt because the temp wasn't that hot03:01
nox-anyway glad you got it back to working :)03:01
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SpeedEvilpupnik: What sort of water?03:03
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pupniktap water plus a lot of accumulated dust disabled the system board03:04
SpeedEvilGlad you got it working. :)03:04
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pupnikme too!  now i have to replace the speakers03:07
pupniknice to be back in the family03:07
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lucent_BCMM: the hoop thing is easy03:11
BCMMlucent_: go on...03:11
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C-S-BDoes anyone have this fixed file?
C-S-BI dont have the sdk setup and it would seem silly to for just one compile03:12
lucentthe structural support is a very strong pole or beam pointing directly at the audience and attached to the edge of the table03:12
lucentbehind the curtain is a forklift03:12
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lucentso uh... you just distract people while you make it seem like the hoop is passing "through" some kind of wires hanging from the ceiling03:13
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pupnikquadcopters are too expensive03:15
pupnika robot on an rc-car is more doable03:15
lucentpupnik: openpilot?03:15
pupnikall the fun control stuff is doable on a 60 euro car03:15
lucentbuddy I know scored a "seconds" used motorized wheelchar and is controlling that with Arduino platform03:15
* SpeedEvil wants to get his UAV up and running.03:16
SpeedEvil is as far as I've gotten.03:16
lucentI think he paid $200usd for it, minus batteries, and MSRP is over $10,000usd03:16
pupnikaerial is nice SpeedEvil i agree03:17
SpeedEvilI have all the bits.03:17
SpeedEvilOne of the 'eggs' holds a CF pod, with all the expensive guidance stuff in.03:18
pupnikbut i realized the freaky robot patrolling around my house can also be a rc car03:18
SpeedEvilIt's designed to take a full power impact at ~120MPH into concrete.03:18
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* pupnik nods03:18
SpeedEvilThe yellow thing is the motor, on top of that is a prop, underneath thrust vectoring vanes.03:19
pupnikhow do you counteract torque03:20
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pupnikcheck this out
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SpeedEvilpupnik: The vanes are canted.03:22
pupnikyou'll need to vary that with motor rpm03:22
SpeedEvilpupnik: So each vane is twisted to provide a countertorque, and also provides control through 4 servos mounted at the rim.03:23
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pupnikseems doable SpeedEvil03:23
SpeedEvilIt's basically a vertical climb optimised helicopter.03:23
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SpeedEvilAimed at getting to ~4Km in 3 min or so, taking a gigapixel pan, and then landing on the takeoff spot.03:23
* pupnik suggests avoiding airport scanners03:23
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C-S-Bany reason I cant PM on
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pupnikSpeedEvil: isn't that a great hexacopter design?03:34
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pytherIs this probably a very bad error "end_request: I/O error, dev sdd, sector 8174208"04:53
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cehtehthats your µSD card?04:54
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pythercehteh: it is my N900 storage04:55
pytherI'm hoping it was just a bad usb port04:55
cehtehconnected over usb04:55
pytherthough I'm not happy my front usb ports are bad :-/04:56
cehtehis that the internal emmc?04:56
pytheryah the inetrnal emmc04:56
pytherI switched to a back usb port and it seems to be better04:56
pytherwith the front port it would reconnect every minute or so04:57
cehtehcan also be a bad cable (internal in the case?)04:57
cehtehthese are just cheap ribbons .. they get a lot of noise04:57
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pytherwell mines got the 7 female pin holes that connect to the 7 pins on the mobo04:58
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pytherlately it's taken a while to write data to a microsd card using my card reader and I wonder if the front ports are too blame04:59
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pytherI much rather have bad front ports then bad memory on the phone :P04:59
cehtehmaybe you connected it to 1.1USB ports?04:59
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cehtehhappend to me once .. and i wondered why the external 1.5TB drive was so slow :P04:59
pytherno, the board is all 2.005:00
pytherwell it seems to be working now05:01
pytherI'll just assume the front ports are bad/poor/defective05:01
pytherI'll just buy some usb male a to female a cables and mount them on my desk05:02
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GeneralAntillestybollt: god, I wish. :P05:14
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jakemaheuoh hai everyone05:21
jakemaheuanybody remember me? :305:21
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jakemaheuwell, i've been gone since the n900 was announced.05:22
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jakemaheuwhat did i miss?05:23
DocScrutinizerpyther: internal hub05:28
Macerjakemaheu: same old05:28
Macernokia starting something they never finish05:28
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Macerthen abandoning it for winmob... and uhm... makinhg it near impossible for the n900 to truly move forward and all that good stuff05:29
Macerhey. i think i would give nokia some points if they allowed n900 owners to flash winmob onto the n900 :)05:30
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jakemaheumacer: they didn't completely drop support for ANOTHER tablet, did they ;)05:31
DocScrutinizer51takes another 2 weeks till then05:32
Macerjakemaheu: sure did! weeee05:32
DocScrutinizer51it's called N950 and meego-HE05:33
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Sc0rpiusso the N950 will exist05:34
DocScrutinizer51but this time they'jj do it right and kill off maemo for good by releasing a last mega-crappy 'update'05:34
Sc0rpiusI don't think there will ever be another update05:35
jakemaheui see that nitdroid finally got some progress :D I remember when I wrote the installer script for that.05:35
Sc0rpiuscan you make calls?05:35
Sc0rpiusit was really buggy when I tried it05:35
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Sc0rpiusand extremely (unbearable) slow05:35
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jakemaheuhow's mer doing now?05:37
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DocScrutinizer51mer is dead, long live meego :-P05:39
Sc0rpiusflash news: Meego is dead too05:39
Sc0rpiuslong live wp7 :(05:39
DocScrutinizer51wp7 never was alive05:40
DocScrutinizer51damn what a necrophiles' club05:40
* DocScrutinizer51 hugs his N81905:41
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DocScrutinizer51err 81005:41
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Sc0rpiusthat 51 at the end of your nick is your age right?05:42
Sc0rpiusor maybe the year you were born?05:42
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DocScrutinizer51rx51 - fool05:43
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DocScrutinizer51I'm borm 190405:44
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Sc0rpiusinternetishard and username root05:45
Sc0rpiusnice picks05:45
DocScrutinizer51lol even05:46
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DocScrutinizer51doesn't xchat shoot you when you start it as root?05:47
Sc0rpiusyeah he didn't start it as root, he typed that on purpose  in the username field05:47
Sc0rpius-internetishard- VERSION Purple IRC05:48
Sc0rpiusoh GOd05:48
Sc0rpiusand yes, he ran that as root05:48
Sc0rpiusor the whole pidgin thing I guess he's using05:49
DocScrutinizer51musrt be OM2008 or SHR05:49
DocScrutinizer51or another OE based distro :-P05:49
Sc0rpiusdunno, all I can get from that is he's using the purple-irc-plugin for pidgin05:50
DocScrutinizer51OE maintainers were so cool they thought on an embeddd device there's no such thing like a user account05:51
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Ken-YoungDoes anyone know if the Maemo package builder is down?  I uploaded a package, and it seems to have disappeared.06:01
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DocScrutinizer51the real bad thing with this concept of "let's implement the basics and a working GUI first, then maybe add user accounts" is now there's lots and lots of apps and processes that never bothered about permissions. A game that wants to access vib directly via /sys is hard to port to a non-root account06:03
DocScrutinizer51there've been some 3 or 4 complaints about maemo down or unresponsive tonight06:04
Ken-YoungDocScrutinizer, Thanks.06:04
ds3is there a working google maps client? the GMM on the garnet emulator is on the fritz :(06:04
DocScrutinizer51read chanlog06:04
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DocScrutinizer51jaffa asked who stole the 770 server farm06:05
DocScrutinizer51maybe ping X-Fade in a couple of hours06:07
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bjvis there an email Bible out there for diablo that i'm not seeing?07:03
bjvi have recreated one of my two imap accounts for the third time now07:05
bjvaccount stopped responding, but new account now does not update automatically07:06
bjv"cannot connect to server Inbox"07:06
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bjvah, gconf07:25
bjvoh good. and there's my passwords in plaintext07:25
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DocScrutinizerbjv: sure, why "obscure" them? do you expect somebody reading out your local gconf without permission?07:33
bjvthat is completely ridiculous07:37
bjvyou store hashes, minimally07:37
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bjvi dont expect anyone to be reading my homedir's keyring file07:38
bjvbut there sure arent plaintext passwords in that07:38
bjvis your /etc/shadow plaintext?07:39
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DocScrutinizer51bjv: BS, you send hashes to your imap server?07:44
bjvno i authenticate over TLS07:44
bjvbut i expect my imap server stores hashed copies of my password07:44
bjvand not cleartext07:44
bjvso if some one leaves a hard disk out on the loading dock, there isnt a huge db table of juicy cleartext keyed to names/address columns07:46
bjvsitting around waiting to be found.07:47
DocScrutinizer51what has your server's email pw store to do with your local gconf (or config files, whatever)?07:47
bjvwhen i transmit a pw, i expect it to be hashed, and compared against a stored hash07:49
RST38hWell. Moo.07:49
bjvwhen i enter a password into a local app,   i expect the app to hash, and store the hash07:49
dm8tbr[ ]  you understand how authentication mechanisms usually work07:50
DocScrutinizer51ok, then I'm fine with spying that "hashed( PW to transmit it when exploiting your mail account07:50
DocScrutinizer51honestly, that's weird nonsense07:50
dm8tbrif you don't want people to read the data on your device, encrypt it.07:51
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DocScrutinizer51if you don't want your password to be automatically accessable, then don't store it on device and rather enter it on request07:54
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bjvtouche, that does necessitate the need for storing the cleartext07:56
DocScrutinizer51there is no way to store a password locally to use it later, but same time it's not existent in a usable form on same device07:57
bjvnot with email anyway07:57
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DocScrutinizer51very 'clever' apps obscure PWs via rot13 or similar nonsense07:58
MacerDocScrutinizer51: will meego have user accts? :)08:03
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Maceri never thought to ask08:03
Maceri am surprised nobody ever made a way for maemo to have them08:03
DocScrutinizer51I'd guess yes08:03
Macerlike a plugin or something08:03
DocScrutinizer51maemo has one08:03
DocScrutinizer51err two, root and user08:04
DocScrutinizer51plus the usual virtual ones08:04
DocScrutinizer51pulseaudio for example08:04
DocScrutinizer51OE doesn't have a etc/passwd afaik08:05
DocScrutinizer51for sure they have no 'user' account08:06
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DocScrutinizer51you don't need rootsh or similar, you're always root08:06
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DocScrutinizer51Macer: some programs on maemo have hardcoded user "user"08:07
DocScrutinizer51or hardcoded home "/home/user"08:08
Macerwell... i honestly do hope meego does finally fully work on the n90008:11
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RST38hUser! Stand up!08:13
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DocScrutinizer51Macer: maemo even has useradd cmd08:17
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DocScrutinizer51there's virtually nothing missing, except login at boot08:18
DocScrutinizer51and proper apps that don't use hardcoded pathes08:19
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TheJgood morning08:41
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TheJhas anyone had any stability or other issues with powerkernel 46?08:42
TheJwas wondering if i should update08:42
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Termanagood morning09:29
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iliusis there a hack in N900 to lock it when unlocked just because of connecting a charger?10:42
iliussomething like call-locker10:42
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ruskieit unlocks???10:43
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ruskietends to just ask me for the code iirc10:43
iliusruskie: yes unlocks for me!10:44
iliusruskie: :-/10:44
meceI have a question.10:44
meceor idea10:44
meceor something10:44
iliusor nothing10:44
meceilius, damn, you saw right through that one10:45
iliusmece: :-D10:45
meceok anyway10:46
mecenow I have a niggle with my n900 that I figure shouldn't be too hard to fix.10:46
meceor hack10:47
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meceproblem is that it's annoyingly complicated to unlock the screen10:47
mecethis is how I'd like it to work10:48
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meceI would like it so that when you lock the screen the touch sensor would still be active, so that if you touch the screen the side to unlock bar would appear.10:49
mece(unless the proximity sensor says something is in it's proximity)10:49
meceI see no reason to have the 2 step unlocking10:50
ruskieerm... I do... to not get activated by random touches10:50
meceruskie, activated how?10:51
meceand what random touches?10:51
jogacomplicated to unlock the screen? you mean sliding the thingy on the right?10:51
mecejoga, well actually that is rather complicated for me right now because the little tip on the slider has worn off, but even with the slider working, it's not convenient with just one hand10:52
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jogait just requires some practice...I do it with one hand10:52
joga(using thumb)10:53
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mecejoga, ok I can do that, (or could, i actually can't now, I have to use a nail to unlock now) but then I'd have to reposition the phone back to the one handed after that.10:54
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jogaanyway, activating the screen by touch is not very good if you think about putting it in your pocket10:55
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mece(10:49:42 AM) mece: (unless the proximity sensor says something is in it's proximity)10:56
ruskiemece, that assumes the proximity sensor is reliable10:56
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meceok, can I'm a little tired here, so I might have written it confusing, but still. "so that if you touch the screen the side to unlock bar would appear."10:58
meceside = slide :)10:58
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ruskiebut that uses unnecessary power10:58
ruskiesince it needs to power on the screen10:58
meceruskie, well if the proximity sensor does nothing10:58
ruskiebtw... you can already get to that unlock bar with a single button press10:59
ruskiejust hit the power button10:59
ruskiethen you can unlock it10:59
meceruskie, yes, I know.10:59
meceruskie, that is the really inconvenient part. My power button requires a lot of pressure10:59
meceand it's pretty small10:59
ruskieit does?11:00
ruskieI use my whole finger... and just gently press it and it activates11:00
meceruskie, well I use my whole finger and I have to press it hard to activate. if I press it with my nail it works pretty well11:01
meceruskie, either way I almost never get it on the first click11:01
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meceruskie, and I've noticed that most phones seem to work in the way i described, and do not seem to suffer from it particularly.11:02
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meceanyway, I didn't ask about this because I wanted ideas on how to unlock the screen in the current state, but rather, I wonder if the whole unlocking locking bit is open sourced11:06
meceso I can make it so, as Patrick Stewart used to say.11:07
jogamy proximity sensor at least is a bit unreliable11:08
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jogaoften I find I've lost some icons while talking11:08
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jogaor some package manager is open or whatever :) I've messed it up myself when I "accidentally" pushed a nail into the screen11:09
jogabut IMO, the phone should do nothing unless I flip a mechanical switch11:09
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mecejoga, LOL, I don't intend to force this upon you, don't worry. but I really really want it. For me.11:12
mecejoga, does your phone answer or hangup when you have it in your pocket, or when you're talking on the phone?11:13
jogamece, sometimes I do press hangup with my cheek or something, but not that often11:15
mecejoga, right,, while talking :) missed that one. anyway, the only time the sensor is needed is when phone is in pocket. and not because it would destroy things or start clicking buttons but because it uses extra battery to light up the screen in the pocket.11:15
jogaI think the screen turns off like 70% of the time when I'm on the phone but depending how it's aligned on my head it either is on or off11:15
jogaI'm not convinced the proximity sensor could even be reliably used to detect being in a pocket11:16
mecejoga, if the sensor fails AND the pocket manages slide to unlock, the I suppose it's within the pockets right to wreak some havoc :)11:16
mecejoga, do you pocket answer a lot?11:17
jogano, I think11:17
mecejoga, then the sensor works.11:17
jogathe screen is on in my pocket when a call comes in11:17
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mecejoga, is it?11:18
jogaI'm just agile enough to not answer when I pick it up from there :)11:18
jogaI thought the proximity sensor was some capacitive thing and not optical11:18
iliusif it had multi-touch, the problem was easier to solve11:18
meceillius, how would multitouch change it?11:18
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jogamaybe two-finger swipe or so11:19
iliusmece: that differs when thats in your pocket and when your finger touchs it11:19
mecejoga, I don't know, but I do know that the screen does not activate when in my pocket. Otherwise calls would be answered or hungup while phone is in pocket.11:20
iliusan small part is touched or large part11:20
jogamece, maybe your pocket just doesn't hit the right keys by chance? ;)11:20
jogaI can test this easily...hold on11:21
mecejoga, sound like something's broken on yours.11:21
jogalet me try simulating pocketdom11:21
iliusa sensored pocket simlulator is needed11:22
joganah I just wrapped the left half in paper and tried calling it11:22
jogathe display didn't turn on, I had the paper tightly there11:22
mecewell I just put phone in pocket and called myself, with screen towards outside, the screen was dark until I took it out of my pocket.11:23
jogalol and now I tried calling again and it puts it to answering machine...eh11:23
jogaI had some problem yesterday, couldn't receive calls11:23
jogaput it to offline mode and back, then it worked11:23 it works again when I rang a third time11:24
jogawhatever :)11:24
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jogaok...if I place the paper so that it's about 0.5-1 cm away from the sensor, the screen stays on11:25
meceand if it touches or is really close?11:25
jogaprobably mostly it stays off, but if I'm sitting or otherwise my phone is laying in my pocket so that there's not anything immediately in front of it, it doesn't work11:25
iliusimagine drawing a circle with your finger on the touch screen in locked mode11:25
jogamece, then it works as expecte11:25
iliusthat could'nt accidentaly11:26
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iliuslike it zoom in/out in browser11:26
meceillius, I don't think that a simple slide to unlock is a problem either.11:26
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iliusmece: my nickname only has one L :)11:27
meceilius, heh yeah11:27
meceilius, anyway, we were talking about getting to the slide to unlock screen11:27
iliusmece: is not just drawing a circle easier that what we do now?11:29
meceilius, touching the screen is easier than drawing a circle11:29
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jogawhat if you want to hold the phone without constantly avoiding the screen11:29
iliusa > 180 arc is enough, and that will never be accidentaly11:30
meceI want to change click power then slide to tap screen then slide11:30
SpeedEvilYou can also use the hardware unlock switch11:31
mecejoga, well, if you feel the touch to unlock screen eats too much battery or somehow offends youif activated on those times you hold the phone while not avoiding to touch the screen then I guess this solution is not for you.11:32
SpeedEvilI also want it to display the lock screen when proximity sensor goes on->off, there is significant orientation change, and the ambient light level goes up.11:32
meceSpeedEvil, yesss!11:32
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jogamece, I just feel that any user would sometimes want to hold the phone without starting programs accidentally or rearranging the home screen or whatever..11:33
SpeedEvilOptionally when there is no light, and the above conditions are met, and it's nighttime11:33
mecejoga, slide to unlock!!!!!!!11111:33
* joga reads again11:33
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mecejoga, everything we've talked about has been about getting to the slide to unlock screen11:33
jogaok so you want it to show the unlocking screen whenever it's not in pocket or in use11:34
iliusjoga: except for when listening a music using  bluetooth headset11:34
* mece rips hair out and screams11:34
* mece calms down11:34
mecesorry, I haven't slept.11:34
mecethis is waht I want11:34
meceimagine an n900, with screen locked11:34
meceit's black and mysterious. what hides beneath the darknes you might wonder11:35
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meceyou gently tap the smooth surface that appears to be the screen...11:35
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mecethe screen lights up with glorious colors,11:35
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meceon the screen you see time of day, and a button, with the label, "slide to unlock"11:36
iliusand plays a glorious music11:36
meceilius, well, perhaps :D11:36
jogawell basically holding it in your hand often translates to a touch on the screen, at least if you hold it so it's steady in one hand11:36
iliusmece: :-D11:36
jogamece, but yeah I'm not saying what you propose is a problem or anything11:36
mecejoga, well, lett me just quote myself on this one: (11:32:11 AM) mece: joga, well, if you feel the touch to unlock screen eats too much battery or somehow offends youif activated on those times you hold the phone while not avoiding to touch the screen then I guess this solution is not for you.11:37
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jogaI just like it more the way it is, that I need to do a *click* thingy to make it take input11:37
jogait's not the most comfortable mechanical slider though, but it works11:37
mecethat's what I would like. mostly because my hardware slider is worn out and very difficult to use, and my power button requires a lot of pressure to be clicked.11:38
meceanyway, SpeedEvil, do you happen to know where one should go poking to modify things like these?11:39
jogaheh how about using opencv or something to unlock it when you look at it ;)11:39
mecejoga, what's that?11:39
jogaa computer vision library11:39
jogathough the front cam is not good enough probably and it wouldn't work unless it was a bright day etc11:39
meceoh that :D well I suppose the camera would have to be active also, which, I'm guessing, uses a lot of battery.11:40
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mecebut on a device without the battery issues that would be really cool.11:40
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jogamake it first check that it's not in a pocket with the prox sensor, then it could listen for a bit of audio to activate the camera to get a pic and if it can find eyes, it unlocks ;)11:42
jogahehe, or not11:42
mecejoga :D11:42
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mecejoga, and it could change the bg image according to the mood of the face it sees!11:43
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jogamece, yeah, and call 911 if it looks real bad11:46
cfreak200i'm wondering if there's any way to send text messages from my pc with the n900 is conected to it (via usb) without writing new software ? :)11:47
Venemo_N900cfreak200: nokia pc suite allows that on windows11:48
cfreak200windows, whats that ? :P11:48
Venemo_N900cfreak200: I'm not sure about such a sw on linux11:48
cfreak200mhm :/11:49
cfreak200are the interfaces open/documented somewhere?11:49
Venemo_N900cfreak200: doesn't your house have windows?11:49
Venemo_N900cfreak200: I dunno, maybe DocScrutinizer knows more11:49
mececfreak200, ssh into phone and use this:
cfreak200Venemo_N900: you mean those things that are always shut down ? :P11:49
Venemo_N900cfreak200: heh11:50
cfreak200mece: thanks ;)11:50
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iliusblueman gives a tcp connection via bluetooth i think11:50
iliusbut i never did a test on it11:50
cfreak200mece: does that support multi-part-messages? I'm not sure about the specification but those need to be handeld in a special way?11:51
cfreak200nvm, the dbus interface should handle that special case :-)11:52
mececfreak200, it does?11:53
mececfreak200, I would have guessed not11:53
cfreak200mece: well i think it does, atleast that would a good implementation..11:53
mececfreak, test it11:54
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cfreak200i'll ;)11:54
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trxdoes anyone know in which enviroment does the autobuilder compile, ARM or x86?12:12
mecetrx, you mean what environment the actual machine is?12:15
trxno, i mean, i am creating a .deb to send to it12:15
jacekowskitrx: both12:16
trxi need to know what to put in my makefile12:16
jacekowskitrx: depending on your rules12:16
mecetrx, it builds both12:16
jacekowskiyou select it12:16
Venemo_N900trx: it accepts source packages, not .debs12:16
trxyeah, my bad..12:16
jacekowskido apt-get source some_package12:17
jacekowskiand check how it's done there12:17
jacekowskipackage will be built on arm and/or x86 depending on control file12:17
mecejacekowski, you who knows and is annoyed by locked bits in maemo, is the screen lock things closed source?12:17
trxthank you all12:18
jacekowskii'm not annoyed by closed bits12:18
jacekowskii'm annoyed by not working bits12:18
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mecejacekowski, ok then. well regardless12:18
jacekowskitrx: well, it's x86 in reality12:18
jacekowskitrx: and then arm is just emulated12:18
jacekowskitrx: but you don't have to worry about that12:18
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trxi do because i need to setup the compiler in before building12:19
jacekowskithen you assume that you are running on platform that you are building package for12:21
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trxthats what i taught, just wanted to be sure12:22
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ZogG_laptopmy laptop is battery is dying without AC, i thought bat was dead12:23
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ZogG_laptopbut actually it just never charge it12:23
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RST38hAnything new? Anything exciting? Has anyone installed that WP7 beta update to their N900s?12:24
SpeedEvilI have WP8 on mine.12:24
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ZogG_laptopRST38h, i have 3.1112:24
ZogG_laptopf it, old skool12:25
Venemo_N900RST38h: why would wp7 be exciting?12:25
SpeedEvil3.11 would actually be designed for about the right screen resolution.12:25
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ShadowJKw95 too12:27
jacekowskiRST38h: there is wp7 for n900?12:28
lcukSpeedEvil, yes it seems now with mobile computing we have rolled back time12:28
ShadowJKI had to charge the battery quite a few times before windows install completed :/12:28
Venemo_N900yeah, only it's not touch friendly12:28
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RST38hjacekowski: Yes, Nokia is seeding it to selected developers12:29
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lcukVenemo_N900, when your OK button takes up a large fraction of screen anyway, it was by default more touch friendly :P12:29
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jacekowskiRST38h: share it12:29
Venemo_N900lcuk: :)12:29
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* ShadowJK thinks RST38h is full of shit :)12:30
Venemo_N900RST38h: really?12:30
RST38hjacekowski: can't. very exclusive.12:30
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jacekowskiRST38h: nobody is going to know12:30
Venemo_N900RST38h: pics or it didn't happen12:30
RST38hYou just asked for it, on an open channel12:30
jacekowskiRST38h: you can send it to me on query12:31
SpeedEvilVenemo_N900: There was a 3.11 touch-version IIRC12:31
SpeedEvilVenemo_N900: Or at least w9512:31
SpeedEvil'pen' ?12:31
alteregoI had a tablet that ran 3.1112:32
ShadowJKI don't think they'd written drivers for wp7 for n900 especially when MS wouldn't allow wp7 on N900 hardware anyway12:32
alteregoThe screen was about A4 size,12:32
alteregoThink it had a 16 shade monochrome display12:33
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Venemo_N900ShadowJK: yeah, n900 lacks the windows button12:33
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ShadowJKAnd doesnt ms demand qualcomm anyways?12:33
lcukit does sorta have CTRL + ALT + DEL :D12:33
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Venemo_N900ShadowJK: dunno12:34
ShadowJKI'm pretty sure RST38h is running wordperfect on his N900 ;)12:35
ShadowJKwordperfect 712:35
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Venemo_N900lol ShadowJK12:39
Venemo_N900achipa: ping12:39
RST38hShadowJK: It is running in VMware compat layer!12:42
* RST38h still finds it amusing that MS has not been able to port their stuff beyond quallcom12:42
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Venemo_N900RST38h: i thought qualcomm is arm too12:45
Venemo_N900anyway, I have to leave now12:47
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mecewhy the frack is osso-systemui-tklock closed?12:48
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SpeedEvilBecause it might be useful to a phone vendor.12:49
Robot101I think its actually patents :/12:51
meceSpeedEvil, Oh yeah, I forgot, n900 is the only touch screen device that can lock the screen.12:51
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Robot101I'll leave you to figure out who is suing who about that :P12:51
RST38hVenemo: that is the funny part12:51
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RST38hQuallcom *is* ARM, so they appear to be dependent on some feature of the Quallcom SoC. Their 3D hw maybe?12:52
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meceRST38h, how embarassing12:53
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ShadowJKRST38h, well even if arm core is same, it starts getting different already at the memory controller...13:06
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DocScrutinizer51Robot101: why would anybody need a source to enforce a paent that's regularly about operation principles, not about implementation?13:14
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DocScrutinizer51or why would you keep your source closed if you already got a patent on it?13:16
Robot101I have no idea13:17
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SpeedEvilThe patentholder may only licence closed source implementations.13:24
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fladnagHello !13:25
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: :-/ yup13:25
DocScrutinizerso your prev. statement makes even more sense13:26
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peetahhi, I would like to start developing on N90013:33
peetahI have seen the wiki page about sdk installation, but also noticed the maemo-sdk+ packages13:34
peetahwhich one is prefered ?13:34
ZogG_laptopsomeone just said to me that ipad is cooler than n90013:35
meceZogG_laptop, wow13:35
ZogG_laptopmece, abraca and xmms2 dev13:36
ZogG_laptoplet's lynch him13:36
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lolcatZogG_laptop: I helped a dude who has the same telco provider as me to setup fmms. He says he takes his iPad everywhere13:41
lolcatI don't get it really13:42
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lolcatI want to get a mouse and a keyboard for the N900 so I can use it as a UMPC13:42
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ZogG_laptoplolcat, next time bring your PC and say to him, my PC is cooler than your iPad i take it everywhere13:43
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lolcatZogG_laptop: I never move my pc. When I study I write what I need on the N90013:44
ZogG_laptoplolcat, just to proove him he is wrong do this13:45
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lolcatZogG_laptop: I can't think of a single reason to take a iPad somewhere except from the advantage of a bigger screen...13:45
lolcatThe N900 has everything I need13:45
ZogG_laptopthat is my point13:46
ZogG_laptopu can't put ipad in pocket13:46
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lcuki take my meego devices with me, n900 for writing on, ideapad for sitting at side of me as wallboard/reminder thingy13:46
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ZogG_laptoplcuk, but ipead is more like netbook13:47
dm8tbrlolcat: I have an SU-8W as a better keyboard. didn't get around to testing it much though13:47
ZogG_laptopwhile ipad is just huge ipod =)13:47
lcukZogG_laptop, the keyboard makes for an efficient stand13:47
ZogG_laptoplcuk, and u got it for free, i hate you =)13:47
ZogG_laptopi want one too13:47
zutesmogSo what do you guys think the chances of getting meego up and running on this
DocScrutinizeriPad is for frisbee13:48
lcukZogG_laptop, meh, your devices are what you make them to be13:48
zutesmogSamsung cortex A813:48
lcukZogG_laptop, Intel opened up device program for meego13:49
ShadowJKipad isn't cortex a8/a9, is it?13:49
lcukso if you have an awesome idea you could possibly get one for free too :P13:49
ZogG_laptoplcuk, no meetings in israel and i'm too useless to get free ideapad13:50
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meceShadowJK, I'm not sure.13:50
meceShadowJK, I thought it was.13:50
lcukwho said anything about ideapad?13:51
lolcatdm8tbr: Bluetooth keyboard?̈́13:51
dm8tbrlolcat: yes13:51
chem|stzutesmog: wrong chanel... go -> #meego13:52
zutesmograrely anyone one there. ;-(13:52
* dm8tbr calls BS on that13:52
RST38h** #maemo     429    Welcome to #maemo
lolcatdm8tbr: It looks good13:52
RST38h429 people here13:53
zutesmogwell asked yesterday and no one had any ideas.13:53
chem|stzutesmog: doesn't help that this is a maemo chan^^13:53
RST38hzutesmog: Maybe nobody knows?13:53
zutesmogon meego,  sorry, meego was mentioned13:53
zutesmogyep looking for ideas, not definitive answers.13:53
zutesmogand you guys where talking meego here so I didn't think it out of place.13:54
chem|stzutesmog: look into platform specs and if it is arm cortex at least that is supported yet13:54
lolcatdm8tbr: How much resitance is it when you write on it?13:54
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zutesmogplatform specs suggest it could work, but I won't mention such things here ever again13:54
chem|stzutesmog: you may have a descent driver lack13:54
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chem|stzutesmog: we cannot do anything more than guide you to self-enlightenment13:55
ZogG_laptoplcuk, i do want free device, but i'm not a such bad person, though i want to develop, but it would take me a long way to even call myself shitty developer =)13:56
ZogG_laptopso no meeGo for me13:56
chem|stif looking for specific device information for meego compatibility13:56
zutesmogchem|st: thats all I was looking for.13:56
lcukZogG_laptop, I am a visual basic developer13:56
dm8tbrlolcat: spent next to zero time playing with it. it's almost too small for touch typing, so will only know after I try for a while if my fingers are too thick ;)13:56
chem|stzutesmog: and anything worth mentioning should go to #meego and wiki.meego13:57
ZogG_laptoplcuk, i'm no developer at all13:57
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lolcatdm8tbr: I migth go for a cheaper M$ keyboard then, it is bigger but still small enough to put in a bad without it being to heavy13:57
chem|stlcuk: have you tried mental therapy yet?13:57
lcukZogG_laptop, some people would say that VB is not development either13:57
ZogG_laptoplcuk, anything > nothing, right?13:58
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dm8tbrlolcat: paired it to the laptop. it feels smallish, but I am already touch typing with it13:59
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dm8tbrnot at my usual 300 plus speed ofc14:00
lolcatdm8tbr: I used to write on an EEE 10,1"14:00
dm8tbreee might be eeven smaller14:00
dm8tbrbbl. meeting14:00
lolcatNot sure if I want real size or tiny. The reason I dont want my laptop is because it is heavy and I don't want to carry it around14:00
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MohammadAGdoes facebook chat still work?14:04
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kerioi use it with jabber14:05
kerioµ to you sir14:08
MohammadAGkerio, gives me authentication failed14:08
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dm8tbrlolcat: this folds and fits in my pocket14:10
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lolcatdm8tbr: That sure is an advantadge14:16
lolcatBut I have to write as fast as my prof. speaks14:16
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javispedrohm.. the my-maemo guys are quite hardworking...14:17
dm8tbrlolcat: touch typing is a requirement then anyway14:17
ZogG_laptopjavispedro, &14:17
javispedromaking a screenshot of every new extras-devel app...14:17
lolcatdm8tbr: Yes, I can't do it on the N900 keyboard14:17
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ZogG_laptopjavispedro, do they up it to maemo garage or maemo packages page?14:19
dm8tbrlolcat: something like the su-8w might be a good compromise then14:20
javispedroI do not think any of those pages accept screenshots.14:20
javispedronow, as for the download page... =)14:20
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dm8tbrlolcat: it might not be easy to find one to try out though. but you'd only know after using it for a while anyway14:21
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lolcatdm8tbr: I haven't found one of those anywhere in Norway...14:28
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fladnagIpad is so crap :)14:31
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fladnagI take two tech thingis with me all the time14:31
fladnag: n900 and the gameboy14:32
lolcatDo you use the N900 as a phone?14:32
fladnag!!! ... Lsdj :)  !!!!!!14:32
Veggenlolcat: n900 works very well as a phone.14:33
fladnagNono just like a netbook ..!14:33
Veggenbest one I ever had. Mind you, I only had Symbian before.14:33
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VeggenMy iPhone-using SO was even a little envious of it.14:34
fladnagOr for 3g/wlan internet or navigating ...14:34
trxthe only thing i dont like about the "phone app" is that i cant see signal level while its ringing..14:34
trxbesides that, its a perfectly good phone14:34
fladnagI feel sory for evry iphone or ipad user or evry apple product ingennerel14:35
fladnagN900 !!! (For evrything in the digital world " E V E R Y T H I N G " ..!14:37
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fladnag... And i do partys with nintendo gameboy's !14:37
lolcatVeggen: Battery life is a bit less than what I am comfortable about14:37
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fladnag... Thats why i bought 2more accus forthe n900 ..!14:38
fladnagFor bigger trips :)14:38
cfreak200fladnag: you have a external charger for those ? :P14:38
Maceranybody know where i can get the windows tablet video encoder?14:39
Macernokia's site says it has been archived14:39
fladnagIts ordered ..!14:39
lolcatfladnag: I have considered it, but I have to set the time every time I change the battery...14:39
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fladnag(ext charger for bl-5j)14:39
cfreak200fladnag: you've a link ?14:39
fladnagTime set??14:39
fladnagThe n900 can stay on while changing the battery !14:40
fladnagShell: root!14:40
fladnagThen : stop bme!14:41
fladnagThan you have 30sec to change the battery14:41
peetahso, nobody to tell me which one should be used to start developing on the n900: maemo sdk (sbox 1.x) or maemo sdk+ (sbox 2.x) ?14:41
lolcatfladnag: No, it can't?14:41
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fladnagI do it allthe time like that14:42
lolcatI can run the N900 for 30 seconds without the battery?14:42
cfreak200lolcat: with the charger attached i think..14:42
fladnag( because the external charger is late :p )14:42
fladnagJes :)14:42
fladnagWith the chrarger attached :)14:42
lolcatDidn't work here...14:43
lolcatI was offered another N900, maybe I should buy it and have two of it14:43
fladnagThere are SOME pages obout that battery related crap for our beloved n900 on ..!14:44
Macerah. found it. nm14:44
lolcatDoes anyone know how a mouse would work in maemo?14:44
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cfreak200invisible ^^14:44
Maceridle batter life is pretty good14:44
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fladnagIf its cheap - do it !14:44
lolcatMacer: The N900 is like boobs, you can't stop fiddeling with em...14:44
divan0lolcat, what does mean 'how'?14:44
Maceruse battery life is a little on the down side depending on how you use it14:45
cfreak200is there any official statement about the usb charging issue ?14:45
Macerlolcat: i know heh14:45
fladnagLol boobs :)14:45
lolcatdivan0: Do I see a mouse pointer? Can I use it to navigate?14:45
Maceri thought it lasted a long time tho considering14:45
divan0lolcat, yep, you see pointer. Navigate where?14:45
fladnagThere is a mousepointer app ..!14:45
divan0apt-get install extmou14:45
lolcatMine was bougth as a display model, so it had been used for a while, so I guess the battery is worn out.14:45
lolcatdivan0: Like between IM windows and SMS14:46
lolcatand my notes14:46
Macerlolcat: sucks14:46
MohammadAGhmm, this is #maemo right?14:47
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cfreak200MohammadAG: yep, but it could ne #n900 aswell ;)14:47
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divan0lolcat, all you can click/navigate with finger/stylus, you'll be able to do with mouse (+ visible pointer).14:49
MohammadAGseems like #boobs to me14:49
niala1hello all, do you know if i can setup luminosity of n900 to save the battery ?14:50
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lolcatniala1: Settings?14:50
Arkenoibtw is there a way to hide mouse pointer after external hid was disconnected?14:51
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niala1lolcat: thank you, sorry. it was so evident, i haven't  :)saw14:54
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lolcatniala1: I was afraid I wasn't specific enough, but it is quite easy to find it14:55
fladnagMohammadag: are there news about h-e-n & charging the n900 ? ...Besides the battery-mods where a charger is directly connected to the battery inside the n900 ... ??14:56
fladnagOr does anyone know ?14:57
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fladnagAnd mohammadag : do you know if there is a way to PERMANENTLY "kick/delete/or whatever to get rid of" the "trackerd" or "tracker" ??14:59
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fladnag... The tracker-cfg seems to be not helpfull15:00
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fladnag... I sortof disabled the fuckin tracker there and it pops up like bevore ..!15:00
fladnagSometimes for longer periods15:01
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fladnagIts so bad for batterylife and performnce ...15:01
fladnagI cant stand it anymore15:01
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lolcatWhat does trackerd do?15:02
fladnagFilesystem-accses and such was so much faster on my old palm-zodiac and t5 ... ! Its a shame ! (Cortex ..... :p  )15:03
fladnagTrackerd ???15:03
andre__tracker indexes (is that the word?) your files and its metadata. e.g. for songs.15:04
fladnagSome fucking bitching process wich starts evry time ithink when even the smallest change of settings or the filesystem on the n900 happens ..!15:05
andre__settings? not really. filesystem: yes.15:05
fladnagI cant stand it anylonger15:05
fladnagIts sooo boring15:06
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MohammadAGfladnag, haven't worked on h-e-n for a while15:06
MohammadAGtoo much stuff on my hands15:06
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MohammadAGfladnag, the media player won't work without tracker15:06
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MohammadAGor the image viewer15:06
MohammadAGtracker's concept is cool, badly executed though15:07
fladnagNot even "external" players or viewers ???15:07
DocScrutinizerfladnag: battery mods? WTF?
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fladnagThere has to be a way around the dear tracker15:09
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fladnagDocscrutinizer: ithink im confused rightknow : how many pins does the micro-usb-port has ? is there a way to let the current flow in both directions i mean from the n900 to a device (for hosting) and also to the n900 (for charging) with some sort of adapter and settings ??15:21
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fladnagI hate nokia for the fact that ther is no ordinary charging port on the n900 !!!15:23
fladnag(besides the micro-usb-port)15:23
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG, watching your music player code, can u tell me where did u use signals and slots so i'll watch it as an example15:23
fladnag(wich is for data connections !!!!)15:23
jogawhy not both15:24
ruskiefladnag, erm... data connection == wifi ;) usb == charge15:24
fladnagBoth what?15:24
jogait would be called "ordinary" if all phones had one :)15:24
ruskieand yes you should be able to both charge and use it for data15:24
fladnagR u aware of "h-e-n" ?15:25
fladnagAnd that harddrives or usb-sticks need power to be hosted ??15:25
jogaisn't that sort of like the nuggets' parents or something15:25
ruskieow you mean that plug your usb device in...15:25
ruskieif you want an arm box for that I'd suggest a touchbook15:26
lolcat"And then there's the N8 OTG adapter that you can file to shape.15:26
lolcatI think I will get a N8 OTG cable then15:26
lolcatOr does dealxtreme have anything like it?15:26
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lolcat4USD and free shipping, the image doesn't look anything like it though15:29
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lcukX-Fade, any chance you can nudge the libliqbase 0.3.67 please15:30
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Macerworking on encoding videos for my n900 to take with me on a  couple flights on saturday15:31
dm8tbrlolcat: that's a micro-a cable most likely15:31
Macergood thing tablet-encode makes some pretty nice videos15:31
fladnagLol what doyou want with that :)  ???? To be limited or someting ? What a sick joke15:32
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lolcatdm8tbr: I found one that claims it is for a N8, but looks the same as a threadd on the forum, and it is only 4USD so I guess if it is wrong it doesn't really mather15:32
Macerlolcat: with $20 shipping? :)15:32
dm8tbrlolcat: well you can mechanically adapt a micro-a to fit into a micro-b. that's most likely what they are talking about15:33
dm8tbroh, fascinating, the N8 really has an micro-a/b port. just checked. never noticed.15:34
lolcatMacer: Free shipping world wide15:34
lolcatdm8tbr: I think this is the same one15:34
fladnagArent you aware of the "micro-usb to normal female usb"-cable ?? ... So you can put in any cable you want ... !?!15:35
fladnag(also mini usb)15:35
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lolcatfladnag: I just want a hostmode cable, I don't know where to get one, I am in Norway15:36
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fladnagAnd that isn't the problem here ! ... The problem is WHILE - ANYTHING is connected (and there are even videos on youtube that show nearly evry possible divice connected (and working) to the n900 (like gamepads,sticks,hdd's,cardreaders,lan-adapters and whatever) the n900 needs to be charged also, because otherwise the fun you have with hosting things is VERY timelimited ..!15:39
lolcatfladnag: Can't you use a spliter?15:41
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fladnagWhat splitter?15:41
fladnagTellme :)15:41
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fladnagPlease :p15:41
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fladnagYou know15:42
ruskieprobably a hub15:42
ruskiewith a power source and such15:42
ruskieyou only need to provide the data lines to the n900 to actually have it detect the devices15:43
fladnagLol probably15:43
ruskieand power them externally15:43
ruskieand use the power pins to actually power the n90015:43
fladnagDo you know of a method to acomplish that ? ( That will work) :)  ??15:44
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fladnagThats exactly the problem !15:45
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ruskiehacking a microusb cable15:45
ruskieand possibly a hub15:46
lolcatA dvd player on the N900? Does it even suport dvds?15:46
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lolcatIf the N900 could charge while using usb host mode we could use it as a webserver...15:48
ruskieor get like a dreamplug/sheevaplug15:48
lcuklolcat, it can already15:48
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lolcatlcuk: Can you tell me what to buy to acheive that?15:50
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nidOits perfectly usable as a webserver out of the box15:51
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fladnag:)  ruskie: ...that sounds good, but The only way the hosting works for now ihthink is with the h-e-n app from mohammadag and there you have to turn "vboost" (usb-power-output) on before you can enummerate or mount something ... So ... If the n900 gives power to something, how can it charge over the same lines (at the same time) :p  ??15:51
lcuklolcat, just install one of the web servers?15:51
MohammadAGyou can echo into sysfs, h-e-n isn't exactly needed15:52
ruskiefladnag, should probably be modified to just require power and data...15:52
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lcukkonttori demonstrated something simple15:52
MohammadAGand it cna charge15:52
lcukQML photoviewer demo on n900 with data from on-device webserver and tracker15:52
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lolcatlcuk: I can install the webserver, it was the charging I was uncertain off15:53
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lcuklolcat, the web server has sweet FA to do with charging15:53
lcukhow or why would the two things be mutually incompatible?15:53
lolcatlcuk: I did say a webserver on a WIRED network15:53
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nidOlcuk, I suspect the issue here is that lolcat is wanting to network the n900 via cable15:54
lolcatHosting websites through wifi is not stable enough15:54
nidOlolcat, where did you actually mention that?15:54
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lolcatI implied it15:54
lolcat14:48 < lolcat> If the N900 could charge while using usb host mode we could use  it as a webserver...15:54
lcuklolcat, different issue then, the question has nothing to do with webservers15:54
* jonwil wonders if this "+15:55
lcukit is "can I use USB for ANYTHING and also have my phone charging15:55
jonwilthis copy of "C++ GUI Programming with QT4" he bought is any good for N900 programming15:55
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Corsacjust don't drop it on the device15:55
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* jonwil wonders if QT has a future15:58
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ruskiejonwil, there's a KDE agreement with QT that if ever it becomes closed source they have the right to fork it under any free software license they see fit15:59
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ruskieit's an interesting approach15:59
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jonwilRight now its LGPL which is more than satisfactory for any open source guys16:00
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jonwilAbout the only guys who would have a problem with LGPL are those organizations doing closed development...16:01
jonwilLike Motorola on some of its pre-android linux phones where they used QT but didnt want anyone else doing development for the thing16:02
jonwilexcept though a crippled lame J2ME VM16:02
jonwilI of course have one with a selfbuilt kernel running on it :P16:02
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lcukjonwil, what about all those people who have GPL16:03
lcuklike the kernel itself16:04
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jonwilIs it true that there are issues preventing QT from being changed as part of the CSSU?16:04
jonwilor am I mis-reading what I read/heard somewhere16:05
lcukmixing metaphors16:05
lcuki think16:05
jonwilactually I think what I heard is that Nokia cant change QT because of the ovi store16:05
jonwilchange in ways that break the ABI16:05
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jonwilnot that I care about the ovi store :P16:06
* jonwil wishes someone would do a Backgammon game for the N900 though16:07
jonwilMaybe I should write one myself :P16:07
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lcukjonwil, good16:09
jonwilwhats good?16:09
lcukthat you want to write something new16:09
jonwilI dont have the skills to write a backgammon game :P16:11
lcukbut you can start one16:11
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jonwilI dont have the skills for that either16:12
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* lcuk writes backgammon16:12
lcukok, I have started the liqbase one16:12
lcukit might take 10 years until it is finished, but it has a marker already :)16:13
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jonwilUI programming has never been a strong point of mine16:16
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lcukjonwil, nor mine16:16
lcukfirst version of jonwil backgammon game:
lcukrelease early, release often!16:17
jonwiland the N900 throws all sorts of extra stuff into the mix16:17
jonwillike hildon*16:17
lcukit does on any platform jonwil16:17
lcukjust try the simplest approach16:17
E0xqt tutorial are for ppl that already know c++ and how struct files of it\16:18
E0xlet try follow it one more time...16:18
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jonwilAlthough to be fair, the N900 is a lot more sane than the mobile software stack I was working on many years ago when I did a 6 month stint at Motorola16:19
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jonwilThat would have been around the time when the V3 RAZR was the best thing since sliced bread :P16:19
fladnagAnyone here who likes CHIPTUNES ? (atari/c64/amiga/gameboymusic)16:24
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fladnagAnyone here who wanted the PANDORA at first but then bought the n900 ??16:25
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RST38hfladnag: has anyone ever told you you talk too much?16:28
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fladnagKein name you stupid bitching lame shit :) no not yet and since i do not recognise you (atleast not as a worthy) you are no problem at all and if you have quietly listen for a while inthis chat, maybe you have a problem that you are afraid to talk about or something equally lame :p  (... And so not very intersting) ... You know what this chat is doyou? A place where you can talk to other poeple - mostly tech related but also evrything else ... :)  Maybe YOU a16:49
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fladnagre weong here :)  ... go play somewhere else ;)16:49
* timeless_office wonders if anyone here has bookmarked chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul in their microb browser16:49
timeless_officein case people are curious about how to bookmark it, the steps are:16:49
timeless_office1. load 'about:'16:49
timeless_office2. click the '+' in the toolbar16:49
timeless_office3. click 'add bookmark'16:49
timeless_office4. change the title to 'Password Manager'16:49
timeless_office5. change the location to 'chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul'16:50
timeless_office6. add the bookmark :)16:50
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RST38hfladnag: You definitely talk too much.16:51
Jaffatimeless_office: Handy16:52
timeless_officejaffa: indeed16:52
timeless_officesorry i hadn't mentioned it earlier16:52
timeless_officethere are a couple of other similar ones too fwiw, e.g. certificate manager16:52
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fladnagDoes anyone know of a port or something to maemo that comes close to "deadbeef" on the pandora (a musicplayer that can handle nearly any "audio"-format like mod,sid,ape,ogg)16:58
fladnagI am ofcourse mostly interested in chippy formats, but jeah does anyone ?16:59
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fladnag(thats why i asked about chiptunes and the pandora-console)17:00
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fladnag... ;)17:01
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fladnagIs there anyone here who has some expirience with this unoptified maemo-port of milkytracker ?17:03
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fladnag:p  ... Time is on my side :)17:05
fladnagLalala timeaftertime17:05
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njsfI suspect somehow my modest database is corrupt17:09
njsfmodest keeps crashing17:09
njsfare there any tools to "sanitize" the modest databases?17:10
andre__why do you think that it has a "database"?17:10
lolcatAlien Dalvik, can I get spotify in it?17:10
njsfandre__: figure of speech. a filesystem is an hierarchical database for all intents or purposes17:12
njsfbesides, that is kind of passive agressive no?17:12
njsflet it be17:12
njsfI'll figure it out17:12
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DocScrutinizer51timeless_office: (bookmarked) long ago17:14
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fladnagOk did anyone here manage to screw the filesystem (of the micro sd card ) on n900 somehow, so that an already open txt (in leafpad) was sortof "corrupt" (cant be opend anymore) ... (And it is a VERY important txt) ?17:16
fladnagWhat can i do ?17:16
rm_workis leafpad text stored as binary data or something?17:17
rm_workjust open it with VI or nano or something17:17
rm_workor "strings" is your friend17:17
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fladnagYou think thats possible ? (Just open ...?)17:17
cehtehfladnag: first of all .. make the filesystem readonly and make a complete image if the sd card, preferably with dd_rescue17:17
rm_work... yes17:17
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DocScrutinizer51odds are write of a flash erasepage of 128k went wrong. then your text might got lost completely17:18
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DocScrutinizer51if you know some searchstring, then a grep searchstring /dev/mmcblk1p1 might help17:20
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fladnag??? Vi ? Nano ? Strings ? What are those ?17:21
steve___fladnag: ask google17:22
cfreak200trying my luck one more time: whats the gerneral treatment of nokia regarding the usb-charger issue? My N900 got that since a few weeks now and it's getting very annoying -.-17:22
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Scorcererif you don't know what strings are you seriously need a girlfriend17:23
Scorcereror some porn....17:23
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fladnagWhat are you talking about you jackass ?17:24
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.17:25
fladnagThats realy nice said infobot17:26
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DocScrutinizer51or man strings :-) (which means you need man and strings installed on maemo or it won't really help)17:30
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rm_worki used to hate people who link lmgtfy but these days, srsly...17:31
DocScrutinizer51or apt-cache search man17:32
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nidOthat means and are also needed17:32
rm_workgood call nidO17:32
DocScrutinizer51maybe also goodle about english, gutenberg, and ASCII?17:33
merlin_1991channel is perfectly hostile again :D17:33
DocScrutinizer51well, not my fault17:34
DocScrutinizer51162031 <DocScrutinizer51> if you know some searchstring, then a grep searchstring /dev/mmcblk1p1 might help17:34
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DocScrutinizer51and no, googling for searchstring won't help17:35
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pyther24How can I force the tracker to run a scan17:35
merlin_1991rm the db and reboot17:36
pyther24merlin_1991: where is the db?17:36
merlin_1991also I think tracker runs if you unplug the phone from mass storage mode17:36
pyther24hmm because I copied 26GB of music and it is only detecting one song :P17:37
merlin_1991the tracker db files are at /home/user/.cache/tracker/17:37
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merlin_1991also pyther24 did you edit the tracker.cfg?17:39
pyther24merlin_1991: yes I instaled tracker config17:39
rm_workcfreak200: as in, you plug in the charger and it doesn't charge?17:40
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rm_workcfreak200: is the USB port on your n900 at a slightly odd angle now? like, not quite square with the hole?17:41
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DocScrutinizer51pyther24: there are some tracker admin tools17:42
merlin_1991Doc, I think he's using one since he said he installed one ;)17:43
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DocScrutinizer51nah, I meant sth like tracker-foo --reindex17:44
pyther24hehe, tracker config had an option to restart the tracker and remove the database, that seems to be working17:44
cfreak200rm_work: i plug it in an it doesnt charge unless i put a bit of pressure at the top/bottom of the plug17:44
rm_workthat's bad17:44
cfreak200rm_work: it's about 1mm to get it charging..17:44
rm_workin about a week or possibly less the usb plug will actually probably break off and fall out17:44
rm_workis it under warranty?17:45
cfreak200i've seen the thread at about that and wasnt sure what the reaction fro nokia is..17:45
cfreak200it's not 2 years old yet :-)17:45
rm_worki heard people were finally getting nokia to repair them17:45
rm_workback up ALL of your stuff ASAP17:45
rm_worklike NOW17:45
rm_workwhile the USB still connects17:46
DocScrutinizer51applying pressure will make things worse17:46
cfreak200yeah i was searching through the nokia site before my nouveau driver caused kernel panic.. looking for a phone numer atm..17:46
DocScrutinizer51after all it's been the root cause17:46
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rm_worki had to use my friend's n810 battery and wedge it in the battery compartment of the n900 with a stylus so i could transfer my data off over wifi (when that happened to me)17:47
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rm_worki'm on my third n900 right now17:48
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rm_workthis one has a dead pixel, but f#&% it, it works17:48
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cfreak200i've a crack in the display because the cat thought it would be a toy..17:48
rm_workand i'm ridiculously lucky to have convinced them to send me replacements (since i didn't actually buy the phone...)17:49
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cfreak200i've buyed that one from ebay..  just hopeing that doesnt make things more complicated..17:49
DocScrutinizer51shouldn't make a diff17:49
cfreak200this f***ing service center search doenst work...17:50
cfreak200and i'vnt had luck finding a phone number for the german service..17:50
cfreak200nvm i got one..17:51
Macerservice center?17:53
cfreak200customer service number...17:53
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timeless_officecfreak200: nokia care or?18:02
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cfreak200timeless_office: mhm? i havent had a chance to call them yet, will do it after work hours..18:03
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minttuxis it possible to make call from terminal. like <code> 546884318:12
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DocScrutinizerprobably even 2 methods, pnatd and dbus-send18:13
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DocScrutinizersee wiki phonecontrol18:14
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minttuxi would like to call a number more and more when other side answer18:15
DocScrutinizerfor pnatd: I'd guess sth like `echo "ATD548834"|pnatd18:15
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DocScrutinizerminttux: please rephrase18:16
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minttuxi used dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/csd/call string:"$09383866474" uint32:018:22
minttuxbut i got18:22
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minttuxError Create call: Invalid Address Error18:23
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minttuxwhats wrong i got this code from wiki.maemo18:25
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flexxxvHey, is there some list of apps that drain the battery (in standby)18:28
flexxxvMy Standby Time of the n900 is really too short (less than 2 days if I do nothing)18:29
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alteregoflexxxv: that's good, if you're leaving cellmo on ...18:32
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flexxxvalterego: I have wifi off bluetooth off and only 2G18:33
flexxxvbatterygraph is also not looking right (at least I think)18:33
alteregoyeah, that's probably alright then18:33
alteregoAnd it's not so much apps, it's more badly written desktop widgets.18:33
flexxxvI just removed them...18:34
flexxxvIn battery Graph the CPU usage should be around 0, if I dont use device at all, shoudn't it?18:34
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alteregoBut two days is pretty good in my book for the N900, with 2G18:37
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alteregoI tend to use mine quite a lot though, so I've never really done any decent tests.18:38
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flexxxvSo anyone knows what a good result for powertop is? (I mean how much percent in which C mode)18:39
SpeedEvilflexxxv: >90% C418:40
SpeedEvilWhen idle.18:40
flexxxvI have 13% C18:40
flexxxvI have 13% C418:40
flexxxv13% C4, 25% C3, 49%C2, 0% C0, 13%C018:41
steve___flexxxv: I get 4 days on 2G with wifi on18:42
flexxxvsteve___: nice :D18:42
flexxxvI know that something is eating my battery18:42
SpeedEvilI get around 6 days.18:42
flexxxvbut I cant find out what it is18:42
SpeedEvil(if I don't use it)18:42
SpeedEvilflexxxv: ssh + htop + screen18:42
merlin_1991ist the 3g > 2g power consumption difference really that big?18:43
SpeedEvilmerlin_1991: It depends - notusually if it's actually idle18:43
flexxxvI didn't installed ssh for Power reasons :P18:43
SpeedEvilflexxxv: ssh uses no extra power when idle18:43
flexxxvok thx18:43
flexxxvwhat do you mean with screen?18:43
SpeedEvilscreen lets you disconnect from a running session18:44
SpeedEvilThis is useful to use with htop18:44
steve___flexxxv: To give you a point of reference.18:44
steve___flexxxv: err sorry, 2.5G18:44
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flexxxvSpeedevil: Could you explain a little more what to do with screen?18:46
SpeedEvilSorry - busy ATM18:47
muellidoes anybody successfully use syncevolution? I can't get anything out of my N900, because it complains about: "[ERROR] addressbook: reading all items: Cannot get contact list: Authentication Required"18:47
flexxxvSpeedEvil: OK18:48
steve___flexxxv: I'm assume he's suggesting he runs htop in screen and ssh's in when he thinks something is flaky18:48
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flexxxvWhy  shouldn't I run just htop over ssh?18:49
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SpeedEvilscreen means you can reconnect to a running htop, even after a day on the road disconnected from it, and see if any processes have used a large amount of CPU.18:50
steve___flexxxv: screen allows a person to persistently run programs18:50
flexxxvok, I understand18:51
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Cor-Aissh+screen+irssi = true love!18:51
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flexxxvI'm just running htop. It says for example 25% cpu usage for all and around 8 % for htop.and 1% for ohmd. What processes are using the rest?18:53
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steve___Cor-Ai: If you move from wifi to 3G it just auto reconnects?18:53
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SpeedEvilflexxxv: Also - reduce the update interval for htop to 1/min, and sort by CPU usage18:54
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flexxxv#/bin/sh -e -c     #get debus session18:58
flexxxvwhat is that?18:58
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flexxxvsorry I mean: /bin/sh -e -c     #get debus session18:59
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Cor-Aisteve___: depends on ssh conf, but yeah!19:00
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meceffs how can it be so difficult to read a barcode??19:03
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flexxxvI think I think some apps didn't uninstalled correcly :-( maybee I should clean up /etc/event.d19:04
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flexxxvKernel power doesn't automatically overclock, does it?19:07
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flexxxvI'm just asking because I got some artefacts19:09
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DocScrutinizeranyway battery-graph/eye/foo itself has way too high CPU load :-P19:10
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flexxxvDocScrutinizer: better Idea how to monitor the battery consumation? ;)19:20
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ruskieI thought there was that thing called a battery eye that tracks the battery use...19:21
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Venemohey guys19:33
VenemoMohammadAG: hello! :)19:33
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MohammadAGVenemo, hi19:37
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LuciusMareHello, if I want to reflash a N900 including the eMMC image, is it correct to use this command? sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R -r <emmc-image>20:57
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ZogG_laptopdivan, ping20:58
jacekowskiLuciusMare: sudo flasher-3.5 -F image -f20:59
jacekowskiLuciusMare: and then20:59
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jacekowskiLuciusMare: sudo flasher-3.5 -r emmc_image -f20:59
jacekowskiLuciusMare: and then reboot20:59
jacekowskiLuciusMare: in that specific order20:59
LuciusMarejacekowski: I see, thank you21:00
infobotit has been said that flashing is
jacekowskiand don't reboot in between21:00
ZogG_laptopinfobot is a liar21:00
infobothmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko21:01
infobotwell, mohammadag is your father21:01
infobotzogg is, like, a awesome guy21:01
ZogG_laptopi'm awesome21:01
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jacekowskiinfobot: no zogg is not awesome at all21:04
infobotjacekowski: okay21:04
infobotrumour has it, zogg is not awesome at all21:04
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slirigood evening nice people21:06
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slirithe applications for maemo are so much better than s60 or android21:06
sliribecause google searches actually yield results, not spam21:06
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ZogG_laptopjacekowski =(21:16
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infobotwell, jacekowski is a cat from red dwarf21:16
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, hey man21:18
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, do you mind to watch over my code and tell me what am i doing wrong?21:18
Venemohello ZogG_laptop21:18
VenemoZogG_laptop: sure, what's wrong?21:18
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ZogG_laptoptrying to figure it out how to make a proper slot - signal thing21:19
ZogG_laptoplemme show21:19
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Venemook ZogG_laptop21:20
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VenemoZogG_laptop: can you wait some minutes? I'm in the middle of something21:21
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piggz_quick the latest cssu...autorotaion on some apps doesnt seem to work anymore....feedingit for example, and my own qt app no longer rotates. Is this known?21:23
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ZogG_laptoppiggz_ maybe they want to add the thing that checks if app supports autorotation before rotating?21:25
ZogG_laptoptry asking at #maemo-ssu21:25
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RST38hHappy consuming, people!21:28
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VenemoZogG_laptop: looking at your code now21:34
VenemoZogG_laptop: what's wrong with the code?21:34
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LuciusMare Aww, dammit.
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LuciusMareWhat should I do now?21:45
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LuciusMarePlease, does anybody have an idea? I am afraid to turn the phone off and try again21:50
VenemoZogG_laptop: so, what's the problem?21:51
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ZogG_laptopit doesn't compile21:52
ZogG_laptopsays connect thing is wrong21:52
VenemoI'll look into it21:52
ZogG_laptopconnect(song_info_new, SIGNAL(get_song_info(QString)),song_info, SLOT(setTextLabel(QString)));21:52
ZogG_laptopthat's one i use21:52
ZogG_laptopwhere song_info_new is new info i get from get_song_info and song_info is one i set in setTextLabel for the label21:53
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LuciusMaredammit, jacekowski told me I am supposed to flash the FIASCO image first, but says I should have done the emmc first21:53
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jacekowskiLuciusMare: do fiasco first21:54
jacekowskiLuciusMare: and don't reboot21:54
jacekowskiLuciusMare: doing emmc first leaves phonein mkii mode21:55
infoboti heard flashing is
LuciusMarejacekowski: that says to flash the emmc first as well21:56
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jacekowskiLuciusMare: you can't flash emmc first21:56
jacekowskiLuciusMare: it's just not going to work21:56
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LuciusMareI am confused, it's said everywhere to flash the emmc first21:57
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jacekowskiflasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f21:58
jacekowskiis phone still on?21:58
jacekowskior not21:58
LuciusMarenot, and stuck in a boot loop21:58
LuciusMareor so it seems anyway21:58
jacekowskithen you have to flash rootfs again21:58
jacekowskisudo flasher-3.5 -F image -f21:59
jacekowskiand then sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f21:59
jacekowskior whatever version you have21:59
jacekowskiand then reboo21:59
jacekowskijust by unplugging it or something21:59
jacekowskiyou can't brick n90022:00
jacekowskiyou can just make it more complicated to recover22:00
jacekowskilike for example having flat battery22:00
LuciusMarejacekowski: can't it still can charge the battery even if broken?22:01
Venemookay ZogG_laptop :)22:01
jacekowskionly if you get it very flat down to emergency charge22:01
jacekowskibut then it's not going to fully charge it22:02
jacekowskithat's why bootloops are bad22:02
LuciusMareI see22:02
LuciusMarewell, both images flashed and n900 frozen22:02
LuciusMareI'll remove the battery and try to boot22:02
jacekowskiunplug it22:02
ZogG_laptopVenemo i'm confused how to connect them so everytime song_info_new is updated the other is updated as well22:02
jacekowskiand it should restart22:02
LuciusMareit is unplugged22:02
jacekowskithen remove batter22:03
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LuciusMareDamn, still doing the same thing as before22:03
VenemoZogG_laptop: /home/Timur/Projects/maemo/fresh-build-maemo/../fresh/mainwindow.cpp:15: error: xmmsclient/xmmsclient.h: No such file or directory22:04
LuciusMareTurns on, nokia screen, switches to black, starts lightening up as it'd be charging, reboot, and frozen on the "marble loading screen"22:04
LuciusMareI'll try to flash it once again22:04
jacekowskimarble loading screen?22:04
jacekowskishow me your log again22:04
VenemoZogG_laptop: what's this?22:04
jacekowskidoes it say that flashing went correctly22:04
ZogG_laptopVenemo, do u try it in sdk?22:04
LuciusMarewait, it asks for a pin22:04
VenemoZogG_laptop: no, I'm running it from Qt Creator22:05
VenemoZogG_laptop: what libs does it need?22:05
ZogG_laptop this one22:05
LuciusMarejacekowski: woo, it seems to be working!22:05
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, unpack it fakesysroot22:05
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VenemoZogG_laptop: is there also a -dev package?22:06
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, it doesn't really matter but yes =)22:06
LuciusMarejacekowski: and here we go, desktop... Thank you!22:06
VenemoZogG_laptop: link that too22:06
VenemoZogG_laptop: -dev packages have the headers usually ;)22:06
VenemoZogG_laptop, this is the same22:08
VenemoZogG_laptop: nevermind22:08
VenemoZogG_laptop: I see this one is -dev :P22:08
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, it's aesy to blame ah? cause i'll never punch back =(((22:08
ZogG_laptopjocking =)22:08
sliri   hello, this is very exciting - a tracker / synthesizer for maemo22:09
VenemoZogG_laptop: okay, it also misses something called xmmsc22:10
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VenemoZogG_laptop: my sysroot contains an /usr/include/xmms2 directory, but it doesn't have an xmmsc directory22:11
ZogG_laptopwait a bit22:11
Venemookay ZogG_laptop22:12
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* MohammadAG waves22:12
* Venemo waves to MohammadAG too :)22:12
ZogG_laptopmine does22:12
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gteris it possible to run iphone apps in nokia22:13
MohammadAGiPhone apps are for iPhones22:13
ZogG_laptopiphone apps sucks22:14
sliriZogG_laptop: that is a client for the xmms2 player?22:14
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ZogG_laptopsliri, it should be oneday22:14
gterbut ther eis no way to run it? because its Objc ?22:14
gterand nokia phones are symbian?22:15
ZogG_laptopsliri, y?22:15
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slirigter: the application would need to be re-written for maemo22:15
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wegtergergerhgerbah, my machine froze again22:16
gtersliri: well no i mean taking an iphone app and runningit on maemo22:16
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gteror any nokia22:16
slirigter: forget it22:16
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gterbut those apps could be ported to maemo?22:16
ZogG_laptopinfobot: wegtergergerhger is some random guy with really long nick name22:16
infobotZogG_laptop: okay22:16
Venemosorry ZogG_laptop, my machine froze22:17
MohammadAGgter, first they have to be open source22:17
gterwell the reason i ask is22:17
VenemoZogG_laptop: so, what other libs do I need?22:17
ZogG_laptopgter, can u take Y fuel type and use it in car with X type of fuel?22:17
MohammadAGsecond, if they use the iOS API, "port" is easier said than done22:17
gteri saw a youtube vid of someone using iphone apps on a nokia 580022:17
sliriwow, someone made gnustep for maemo
ZogG_laptopVenemo, i think that would be it22:18
slirimy cell phone can be a NeXT :D22:18
MohammadAGgter, having an iphone theme is not running an iphone app22:18
gternot theme, apps22:18
gterif you check the video hes running iphone apps on a nokia 580022:19
gterhow though?22:19
VenemoZogG_laptop: I installed libxmmsclient5_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_armel.deb libxmmsclient-dev_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_armel.deb22:19
MohammadAGthe video is 40422:19
SpeedEvilremote desktop?22:19
VenemoZogG_laptop: and it still doesn't find the include22:19
ZogG_laptopVenemo, i think that would be it22:19
MohammadAGand don't fall for stupid videos22:20
compengii've tried to edit a link in the browser, i selected the whole text and hit backspace, then typed my own text there, if i click on enter, i see some other portions of the previous link remained in my text and/or my text has been tipped somewhere between the old text, and it happened not only in the browser. so i wonder if it's not a bug?22:20
ZogG_laptopVenemo it is there for sure22:20
gteri mistyped the url before22:20
slirigter: there are also videos of cars running on water22:21
gterim sure but isnt that guy running iphone apps there on a nokia?22:21
Venemook ZogG_laptop22:21
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gteror just a desktop with shortcuts?22:21
ZogG_laptopVenemo, u have 3 debs?22:21
ZogG_laptope-yes, long time no see22:21
ZogG_laptope-yes, как житуха? =)22:21
e-yesработа, сплошная работа22:22
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VenemoZogG_laptop: ok, I have them :)22:23
VenemoZogG_laptop: what exactly do you wish to achieve with that connect line?22:23
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, i need label to update as the song is changed22:24
MohammadAGgter, you can't run iPhone apps without iOS22:24
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MohammadAGiOS only runs on iPhones22:24
MohammadAGthat's just gdesk, or sth similar22:24
VenemoZogG_laptop: you are trying to connect 2 QStrings here22:24
ZogG_laptopVenemo, yes22:24
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gterMohammadAG: oh22:24
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG, or it can be vieo fullscreened22:24
gterso he's not running an app per se22:24
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VenemoZogG_laptop: you can't do that.22:25
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gterMohammadAG: thanks22:25
MohammadAGnow, Android apps, that's something else22:25
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MohammadAGgoogle alien dalvik22:25
ZogG_laptopVenemo but i want =)22:25
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gterMohammadAG: those are for android22:26
ZogG_laptopVenemo, than how do i do it?22:26
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VenemoZogG_laptop: moment22:26
MohammadAGyes, I know22:26
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, try to help me to learn/understand and not just solve it instead if you don't mind =))22:27
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VenemoZogG_laptop: yeah22:27
gterMohammadAG: interesting whats dalvik22:27
gterlike a platform/22:27
VenemoZogG_laptop: so tell me, how do you get notified when the song changes?22:27
ZogG_laptopi don't22:27
ZogG_laptopwhen song is changed the song id is changed22:28
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VenemoZogG_laptop: so how do you expect to get a Qt signal then?22:28
ZogG_laptopor info i get is changed22:28
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BluesLeegood evening22:29
VenemoZogG_laptop: hmmm22:29
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ZogG_laptopi thought it can monitor the certain QString and when it changed it would apply it22:29
VenemoZogG_laptop: where is the code that changes the QString?22:29
BluesLeedo i need to uninstall some apps before using cssu?22:30
VenemoZogG_laptop: and where is the code that calls it?22:30
BluesLeewhich one are critical?22:30
compengianyone had something similar?22:31
ZogG_laptopVenemo, what do u mean?22:31
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VenemoZogG_laptop: so, in order for the signals and slots mechanism22:35
VenemoZogG_laptop: there must be some code that actually emits the signal22:35
VenemoZogG_laptop: and the connected slot can respond to that22:35
ZogG_laptopthe get_song_info get's different result as the song is changed22:37
ZogG_laptopcan't we just monitor that?22:37
VenemoZogG_laptop: you could monitor it in every second, but then that'd be inefficient22:37
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VenemoZogG_laptop: doesn't the underlying library notify you somehow when it changes?22:39
VenemoZogG_laptop: eg. can you request a callback?22:39
slirimyriad has leaked that they are working on native library support for alien dalvik22:39
ZogG_laptopVenemo, i think i can, but i dunno how22:40
ZogG_laptopVenemo, trying to watch over code of other client22:40
ZogG_laptopbut it's in c++ and i don't realy understand all of it22:40
slirii would like to work for myriad22:40
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, i think i found a solution22:41
VenemoZogG_laptop: can you gimme an API reference of this stuff?22:41
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, it's pure reference22:41
VenemoZogG_laptop: an API reference is a web page where the details of an API are described22:42
ZogG_laptopVenemo, - use this22:42
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VenemoZogG_laptop: xmmsc_result_notifier_set seems to be the one22:44
VenemoZogG_laptop: can you tell me what the purpose of this app is?22:45
ZogG_laptopxmms2 client22:45
Venemowhat is xmms2?22:45
ZogG_laptopmusic player/server22:45
sliriyou are new to linux Venemo :)22:45
ZogG_laptopfirst of i want it to control xms2 on phone but next step is to control it on computer as well22:46
Venemosliri: yeah, I'm new :)22:46
VenemoZogG_laptop: why don't you use mafw22:46
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slirii think maybe with dremel tool we can put a BP-4L in a n90022:49
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VenemoZogG_laptop: I also recommend 1) If there is a C++ binding, use that 2) if there is not, make a separate class for this22:51
ZogG_laptop1) i don't know no C no C++, but i find myself more comfy using C, and getting lost in C++ very quick 2) i dunno how =)22:53
VenemoZogG_laptop: ok, I'll help you22:53
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VenemoZogG_laptop: here I found an example22:55
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slirior even the 3600mAh 2xBP4l :)
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ZogG_laptopVenemo trying to rewrite it to c++ now22:56
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, the main thing22:56
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VenemoZogG_laptop, yes?22:58
VenemoZogG_laptop, the example I linked shows the stuff quite nicely22:58
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ZogG_laptophmm i think there is some dependy on using c++ bindings i don't have22:59
VenemoZogG_laptop: if you begin with the first one, that should be good enough22:59
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VenemoZogG_laptop: also, if you're going to develop in Qt, get yourself familiar with at least the basic concepts of OOP and C++23:00
ZogG_laptoptrying to =)23:01
VenemoZogG_laptop: if you have a question, just ping me :)23:02
ZogG_laptopi do23:02
ZogG_laptopdo u know what can be #include <boost/signal.hpp> -< boost in here?23:02
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VenemoZogG_laptop: omg...23:03
VenemoZogG_laptop: you don't want to get to boost and qt at the same time23:03
ZogG_laptopit's just needed for C++ bindings23:04
ZogG_laptopor this or stick to C23:04
VenemoZogG_laptop: well stay with the c tutorial then23:04
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VenemoZogG_laptop: you don't want to get to boost and qt at the same time23:04
ZogG_laptopwhat's so bad about it?23:04
ZogG_laptopyou mean to mix them?23:04
ZogG_laptopor you mean it would be hard for me to learn?23:05
VenemoZogG_laptop: if you're new to both C++ and Qt, then you don't want to learn a 3rd thing too23:05
ZogG_laptopdo i have a choice =)23:05
VenemoZogG_laptop, yes, use the C bindings23:05
VenemoZogG_laptop, I can put together the base for you if you tell me what I need on my N900 to run this23:06
ZogG_laptopi have base and it works23:07
ZogG_laptopi mena i have control buttons23:07
ZogG_laptopi just need to get that label changed23:07
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ZogG_laptopand still no clue to get the signal23:07
VenemoZogG_laptop: so, tell me please what packages do I need to run on N90023:07
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VenemoZogG_laptop: I already installed the lib, but it needs some daemon23:08
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ZogG_laptopadd delete it23:08
ZogG_laptopdelete it23:09
ZogG_laptopuse optified one23:09
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Venemook ZogG_laptop, gimme the correct libs please23:09
ZogG_laptopoptified repo: deb opt/23:09
ZogG_laptopadd this repo and install xmms2 xmms2-plugin-mpg12323:09
ZogG_laptopthan from terminal run xmms2-launcher23:09
VenemoI'm not sure I wanna23:10
ZogG_laptopu asked =)23:10
Venemoyeah, but this way I can't test da code23:10
ZogG_laptopVenemo, waaaait23:10
ZogG_laptopi think i have good news23:11
ZogG_laptopruskie, hey23:11
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VenemoZogG_laptop: I'm sure you can set it all up with the xmmsc_result_notifier_set function23:11
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ZogG_laptopno i don't23:12
ZogG_laptopwe still need boost =)23:12
ZogG_laptopdevs just deleted part of it23:12
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Venemoyou give xmmsc_result_notifier_set a function pointer and it will notify you :)23:13
ZogG_laptopit's not in tutorial right?23:13
Venemoit is23:13
VenemoI also linked it23:13
Venemo[21:55] <Venemo> ZogG_laptop:
Venemooh no23:14
Venemothis is cpp23:14
ZogG_laptopyes, that's what i said23:14
Venemothis is the C23:14
Venemoit uses glib too, but just ignore that23:14
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ZogG_laptopVenemo how do i ignore that?23:20
ZogG_laptopi need glib to make it work23:20
VenemoZogG_laptop: you can have glib if you wanna23:21
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VenemoZogG_laptop: what's the purpose of xmms223:22
ZogG_laptopto listen to music?23:22
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ZogG_laptopto learn little bit C, Qt23:23
Venemoto listen to music, go to the app menu and start media player?23:23
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ZogG_laptopi want xmms2 as well i want to set control of media server from phone23:24
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Venemookay then23:26
Venemoif I were you, I would use the function I told you about :)23:26
ZogG_laptoptrying to get to it23:27
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, as i understand it uses glib for that thing23:34
ZogG_laptopVenemo, would be right for me to use glib in Qt app?23:35
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puchatywhat is better : fcam or blessn900?23:42
keriothere's just no contest23:43
puchatyfcam will be better for taking party pictures?:P (Dark, drunk etc.. :P)23:43
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dominikbon maemo5, how can i programmatically find out if the device is idle (i.e. no user interaction for a certain period of time)?23:44
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DocScrutinizerfcam *probably* does same as blessn900, just bless is closed while fcam is open and usually after short while you get kernel drivers for recent kernel, while blessn900 I dunno if it works at all with PR1.3. For sure it will get hard to get drivers e.g for powerkernel23:46
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puchatythanks for explain23:46
puchatywill use fcamera23:46
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DocScrutinizernota bene you need to install fcam *after* switching kernel, to get the right driver version. If you change kernel, you need to un- and re-install fcam and all related apps23:48
puchatyyes i know that ;)23:49
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puchatyalso: anyone got script for external ip (gprs/wifi) for desktop command execution widget?23:53
puchatywhen i try run widget and in settings set "external ip"23:53
puchatywidget shows me "invalid command"23:53
puchatyi was using homeip widget23:54
puchatybut it suddenly disappear23:54
puchatyand reinstalling doesnt work at all23:54
slirithis can run desktop applications from network?23:55
puchatyi dont know.. i just want to know why this is not working ;)23:56
puchatygot it from wiki site23:57
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ZogG_laptopVenemo, still around?23:57
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flexxxvHey, is flashlight still draining the battery? (I mean when the light is of)23:59
DocScrutinizererr, dunno about external IP. I got a homegrown script exploiting STUN for this23:59

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