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| DocScrutinizer | apmefo does work all great | 00:02 |
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| Flyser__ | yes I managed to get it to work | 00:03 |
| Flyser__ | but the UI sucks big time | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the GUI is a bit clumsy, but so what? better than editing .desktop files in vi | 00:03 |
| pupni-af-k | omg this is awesome "Armadillo Aerospace" rocket takes off and lands on it's own pad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nATMe_NKgo0 | 00:03 |
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| Flyser__ | the GUI almost made me think that apmefo was broken and remove it again^^ | 00:04 |
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| Macer | hm | 00:06 |
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| BCMM | pupni-af-k: i LOVE the retractable landing thingies | 00:12 |
| pupni-af-k | me too - i was like 'where did those come from?' | 00:13 |
| pupni-af-k | the thing looks so homebrew | 00:13 |
| BCMM | really? i thought it looked kinda slick | 00:14 |
| BCMM | perhaps it's just that it looks "real" | 00:14 |
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| BCMM | rather than rendered for some scifi film or huge and shot from miles away like a Shuttle | 00:15 |
| BCMM | also, it looks like it's stabilised solely by thrust vectoring, which is sorta neat | 00:15 |
| pupni-af-k | well yea | 00:15 |
| lcuk | BCMM, they removed the wires in postprocessing | 00:16 |
| pupni-af-k | ahahahh | 00:16 |
| lcuk | and took off the thunderbirds decals | 00:16 |
| BCMM | actually it looks like you can see it vectoring quite aggressively around 50s | 00:16 |
| lcuk | BCMM, well you would vector quite aggressively if you were falling from the sky | 00:17 |
| BCMM | it somehow seems amazing to me, just because it's kinda like balancing a stick on your nose or something | 00:17 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVR5wEYkEGk | 00:17 |
| lcuk | Pencil Balancer using Vision Input (DVS) only | 00:17 |
| pupni-af-k | i balanced a canoe on my chin once | 00:17 |
| BCMM | lcuk: same sort of amazing | 00:18 |
| BCMM | computers with sufficiently low latency to smoothly maintain an inherently unstable equilibrium | 00:18 |
| lcuk | pupni-af-k, well next time do not go swimming in a canoe lane :P | 00:18 |
| pupni-af-k | well not a real one | 00:18 |
| BCMM | ok, i take back the "smoothly" for that last link | 00:18 |
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| BCMM | at an Oxford engineering open day (IIRC), i saw a machine that adjusted an electromagnet fast enough to suspend a steel ball in mid-air | 00:20 |
| BCMM | (not diamagnetic levitation, just changing the strength of an electromagnet, often) | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: i built that myself | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: with analogue stuff | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | nothing fancy | 00:21 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: cool, how does that work? | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | position sensor | 00:21 |
| BCMM | yeah, that's the bit i was wondering about :) | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | i built it with two lasers and two ldr's | 00:21 |
| BCMM | oh i see, one detecting that it was too high and one too low | 00:22 |
| jacekowski | so i knew if ball was too low or too high depending on resistivity of them | 00:22 |
| BCMM | ? | 00:22 |
| BCMM | ah | 00:22 |
| jacekowski | yes | 00:22 |
| jacekowski | but i've seen designs with one | 00:22 |
| BCMM | presumably, they just slowly increase the field strength until the top laser trips, then drop it a bit, and repeat? | 00:23 |
| BCMM | (or the inverse) | 00:23 |
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| jacekowski | that's simple way of doing it | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | and it doesn't look nice | 00:24 |
| BCMM | i was going to ask, does your one look smooth? | 00:24 |
| BCMM | and if so, how come? | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | ideally you have ball and sensors aligned in a such way | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | that it always covers part of a beam | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | so you know exact position | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | not just too high/low | 00:25 |
| BCMM | aah | 00:25 |
| jacekowski | it's all quite simple analogue circuit | 00:25 |
| jacekowski | biggest problem for me was making electromagnet | 00:25 |
| BCMM | then you have an analogue reading of position and can use it somehow to adjust the field in an analogue fashion | 00:25 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 00:26 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.coilgun.info/levitation/schematic.htm | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | that's simple circuit | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | all these things are like normal magic tricks | 00:28 |
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| jacekowski | it's all fun and complicated untill you don't know how it's working | 00:28 |
| BCMM | ? | 00:30 |
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| ale152 | hello | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: have you seen any of these magic shows | 00:30 |
| BCMM | which magic shows? | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: where people walk trough glass and things like that | 00:30 |
| ale152 | does anybody know how to redirect the mic audio stream through the fm transmitter? | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | or fly | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | and do that kind of shit | 00:30 |
| BCMM | i've not seen somebody walk thought glass, live | 00:31 |
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| BCMM | (and stuff on TV isn't even worth wondering about) | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | for somebody who has no idea how it's done it's magic | 00:31 |
| BCMM | i have seen somebody lie on a table, levitate, and have a hoop passed along her to show there were no wires | 00:31 |
| BCMM | still wanna know how they did that | 00:31 |
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| jacekowski | but once you find out how it was done you realise that it's very simple | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | that hoop isn't a full ring | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | everybody knows that | 00:32 |
| Proteous | sometimes it is, there are many many ways to do that trick | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | Someone broken the maemo.org hamsters and 770 bank? | 00:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I ate those 770 | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | quite crunchy, yummy | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, I missed those that host the wiki, it's still up | 00:38 |
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| Jaffa | As is TMO. Which makes me think CDN | 00:39 |
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| javispedro | microsoft already bought nokia, and we can't to the news =) | 00:43 |
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| Sc0rpius | haha | 00:45 |
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| achipa | Venemo: pong ? | 00:53 |
| Venemo | achipa: in which nightly is http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-1858 fixed? | 00:53 |
| Venemo | achipa: it's almost a year old bug, and my week old nightly doesn't have the fix for it | 00:54 |
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| Venemo | achipa: also related is http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-3442 | 00:56 |
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| achipa | Venemo: hm, Fix Version/s: Qt Creator 2.2.0 (current master) | 01:02 |
| Venemo | achipa: I see | 01:02 |
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| Venemo | achipa: it was fixed on 05/Jan/11 5:55 and my version is built on Feb 2 2011 | 01:03 |
| Venemo | achipa: so why doesn't my version have the fix? | 01:03 |
| achipa | Venemo: but are you 2.2 or 2.1 ? | 01:04 |
| achipa | Venemo: date is date, but branch is branch :) | 01:04 |
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| Venemo | achipa: I dunno what branch is this. version number is 2.1.81 | 01:12 |
| achipa | Venemo: hmm, that sounds like 2.2... | 01:13 |
| Venemo | achipa: looks like it, yes | 01:14 |
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| C-S-B | anyone got odb bluetooth working with carman? | 02:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | On n900? | 02:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have a ODB dongle I plan to play with at some time in the future. | 02:13 |
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| pupnik | do we need a new linux phone? get spare speakers and battery. n900 rules spacetime. | 02:41 |
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| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/ironcope/v1.png mwahaha | 02:45 |
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| pupnik | what is that javispedro | 02:55 |
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| javispedro | I think you can guess :), a quite simple music visualization | 02:56 |
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| nox- | pupnik, got your n900 working again? | 02:57 |
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| pupnik | nox-: yes! spiritus toothbrush and oven baking | 03:00 |
| pupnik | got a torx screwdriver to open and clean it | 03:00 |
| nox- | oven baking?? | 03:00 |
| pupnik | i was impatient to dry it out | 03:00 |
| nox- | o_O | 03:00 |
| * nox- surprised that that didnt cause plastic to melt etc... | 03:00 | |
| pupnik | it didn't melt because the temp wasn't that hot | 03:01 |
| nox- | anyway glad you got it back to working :) | 03:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: What sort of water? | 03:03 |
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| pupnik | tap water plus a lot of accumulated dust disabled the system board | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Glad you got it working. :) | 03:04 |
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| pupnik | me too! now i have to replace the speakers | 03:07 |
| pupnik | nice to be back in the family | 03:07 |
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| lucent_ | BCMM: the hoop thing is easy | 03:11 |
| BCMM | lucent_: go on... | 03:11 |
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| C-S-B | Does anyone have this fixed file? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=916799 | 03:11 |
| C-S-B | I dont have the sdk setup and it would seem silly to for just one compile | 03:12 |
| lucent | the structural support is a very strong pole or beam pointing directly at the audience and attached to the edge of the table | 03:12 |
| lucent | behind the curtain is a forklift | 03:12 |
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| lucent | so uh... you just distract people while you make it seem like the hoop is passing "through" some kind of wires hanging from the ceiling | 03:13 |
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| pupnik | quadcopters are too expensive | 03:15 |
| pupnik | a robot on an rc-car is more doable | 03:15 |
| lucent | pupnik: openpilot? | 03:15 |
| pupnik | all the fun control stuff is doable on a 60 euro car | 03:15 |
| lucent | buddy I know scored a "seconds" used motorized wheelchar and is controlling that with Arduino platform | 03:15 |
| pupnik | NICE | 03:16 |
| * SpeedEvil wants to get his UAV up and running. | 03:16 | |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png is as far as I've gotten. | 03:16 |
| lucent | I think he paid $200usd for it, minus batteries, and MSRP is over $10,000usd | 03:16 |
| pupnik | aerial is nice SpeedEvil i agree | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I have all the bits. | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | One of the 'eggs' holds a CF pod, with all the expensive guidance stuff in. | 03:18 |
| pupnik | but i realized the freaky robot patrolling around my house can also be a rc car | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It's designed to take a full power impact at ~120MPH into concrete. | 03:18 |
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| * pupnik nods | 03:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | The yellow thing is the motor, on top of that is a prop, underneath thrust vectoring vanes. | 03:19 |
| pupnik | how do you counteract torque | 03:20 |
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| pupnik | check this out http://cgi.ebay.de/pvl-Hexa-Pro-Aluminium-Mikrokopter-Quadrokopter-Frame-/320663307620?pt=RC_Modellbau&hash=item4aa905c564 | 03:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: The vanes are canted. | 03:22 |
| pupnik | you'll need to vary that with motor rpm | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: So each vane is twisted to provide a countertorque, and also provides control through 4 servos mounted at the rim. | 03:23 |
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| pupnik | seems doable SpeedEvil | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | It's basically a vertical climb optimised helicopter. | 03:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Aimed at getting to ~4Km in 3 min or so, taking a gigapixel pan, and then landing on the takeoff spot. | 03:23 |
| * pupnik suggests avoiding airport scanners | 03:23 | |
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| C-S-B | any reason I cant PM on maemo.org? | 03:24 |
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| pupnik | SpeedEvil: isn't that a great hexacopter design? | 03:34 |
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| pyther | Is this probably a very bad error "end_request: I/O error, dev sdd, sector 8174208" | 04:53 |
| pyther | :-/ | 04:53 |
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| cehteh | thats your µSD card? | 04:54 |
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| pyther | cehteh: it is my N900 storage | 04:55 |
| pyther | I'm hoping it was just a bad usb port | 04:55 |
| cehteh | connected over usb | 04:55 |
| cehteh | yes | 04:55 |
| pyther | though I'm not happy my front usb ports are bad :-/ | 04:56 |
| cehteh | is that the internal emmc? | 04:56 |
| pyther | yah the inetrnal emmc | 04:56 |
| pyther | I switched to a back usb port and it seems to be better | 04:56 |
| pyther | with the front port it would reconnect every minute or so | 04:57 |
| cehteh | can also be a bad cable (internal in the case?) | 04:57 |
| cehteh | these are just cheap ribbons .. they get a lot of noise | 04:57 |
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| pyther | well mines got the 7 female pin holes that connect to the 7 pins on the mobo | 04:58 |
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| pyther | lately it's taken a while to write data to a microsd card using my card reader and I wonder if the front ports are too blame | 04:59 |
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| pyther | I much rather have bad front ports then bad memory on the phone :P | 04:59 |
| cehteh | maybe you connected it to 1.1USB ports? | 04:59 |
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| cehteh | happend to me once .. and i wondered why the external 1.5TB drive was so slow :P | 04:59 |
| pyther | no, the board is all 2.0 | 05:00 |
| pyther | well it seems to be working now | 05:01 |
| pyther | I'll just assume the front ports are bad/poor/defective | 05:01 |
| pyther | I'll just buy some usb male a to female a cables and mount them on my desk | 05:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tybollt: god, I wish. :P | 05:14 |
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| jakemaheu | oh hai everyone | 05:21 |
| jakemaheu | anybody remember me? :3 | 05:21 |
| pupnik | no | 05:22 |
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| jakemaheu | </3 | 05:22 |
| jakemaheu | well, i've been gone since the n900 was announced. | 05:22 |
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| jakemaheu | what did i miss? | 05:23 |
| jakemaheu | xD | 05:23 |
| Macer | haha | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | pyther: internal hub | 05:28 |
| Macer | jakemaheu: same old | 05:28 |
| Macer | nokia starting something they never finish | 05:28 |
| Macer | etc | 05:28 |
| Macer | :) | 05:29 |
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| Macer | then abandoning it for winmob... and uhm... makinhg it near impossible for the n900 to truly move forward and all that good stuff | 05:29 |
| Macer | hey. i think i would give nokia some points if they allowed n900 owners to flash winmob onto the n900 :) | 05:30 |
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| jakemaheu | macer: they didn't completely drop support for ANOTHER tablet, did they ;) | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | takes another 2 weeks till then | 05:32 |
| Macer | jakemaheu: sure did! weeee | 05:32 |
| Macer | :) | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's called N950 and meego-HE | 05:33 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 05:33 |
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| Sc0rpius | so the N950 will exist | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but this time they'jj do it right and kill off maemo for good by releasing a last mega-crappy 'update' | 05:34 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't think there will ever be another update | 05:35 |
| jakemaheu | i see that nitdroid finally got some progress :D I remember when I wrote the installer script for that. | 05:35 |
| Sc0rpius | can you make calls? | 05:35 |
| Sc0rpius | it was really buggy when I tried it | 05:35 |
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| Sc0rpius | and extremely (unbearable) slow | 05:35 |
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| jakemaheu | how's mer doing now? | 05:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mer is dead, long live meego :-P | 05:39 |
| Sc0rpius | flash news: Meego is dead too | 05:39 |
| Sc0rpius | long live wp7 :( | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wp7 never was alive | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | damn what a necrophiles' club | 05:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | err 810 | 05:41 |
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| Sc0rpius | that 51 at the end of your nick is your age right? | 05:42 |
| Sc0rpius | or maybe the year you were born? | 05:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | rx51 - fool | 05:43 |
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| Sc0rpius | oohh | 05:43 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm borm 1904 | 05:44 |
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| Sc0rpius | internetishard and username root | 05:45 |
| Sc0rpius | nice picks | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ll | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol even | 05:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't xchat shoot you when you start it as root? | 05:47 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah he didn't start it as root, he typed that on purpose in the username field | 05:47 |
| Sc0rpius | -internetishard- VERSION Purple IRC | 05:48 |
| Sc0rpius | oh GOd | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eeeek | 05:48 |
| Sc0rpius | and yes, he ran that as root | 05:48 |
| Sc0rpius | or the whole pidgin thing I guess he's using | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | musrt be OM2008 or SHR | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or another OE based distro :-P | 05:49 |
| Sc0rpius | dunno, all I can get from that is he's using the purple-irc-plugin for pidgin | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OE maintainers were so cool they thought on an embeddd device there's no such thing like a user account | 05:51 |
| Sc0rpius | hehehe | 05:51 |
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| Ken-Young | Does anyone know if the Maemo package builder is down? I uploaded a package, and it seems to have disappeared. | 06:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the real bad thing with this concept of "let's implement the basics and a working GUI first, then maybe add user accounts" is now there's lots and lots of apps and processes that never bothered about permissions. A game that wants to access vib directly via /sys is hard to port to a non-root account | 06:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there've been some 3 or 4 complaints about maemo down or unresponsive tonight | 06:04 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, Thanks. | 06:04 |
| ds3 | is there a working google maps client? the GMM on the garnet emulator is on the fritz :( | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | read chanlog | 06:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jaffa asked who stole the 770 server farm | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe ping X-Fade in a couple of hours | 06:07 |
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| bjv | is there an email Bible out there for diablo that i'm not seeing? | 07:03 |
| bjv | i have recreated one of my two imap accounts for the third time now | 07:05 |
| bjv | account stopped responding, but new account now does not update automatically | 07:06 |
| bjv | "cannot connect to server Inbox" | 07:06 |
| bjv | :\ | 07:06 |
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| bjv | ah, gconf | 07:25 |
| bjv | oh good. and there's my passwords in plaintext | 07:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bjv: sure, why "obscure" them? do you expect somebody reading out your local gconf without permission? | 07:33 |
| bjv | that is completely ridiculous | 07:37 |
| bjv | you store hashes, minimally | 07:37 |
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| bjv | i dont expect anyone to be reading my homedir's keyring file | 07:38 |
| bjv | but there sure arent plaintext passwords in that | 07:38 |
| bjv | is your /etc/shadow plaintext? | 07:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bjv: BS, you send hashes to your imap server? | 07:44 |
| bjv | no i authenticate over TLS | 07:44 |
| bjv | but i expect my imap server stores hashed copies of my password | 07:44 |
| bjv | and not cleartext | 07:44 |
| bjv | so if some one leaves a hard disk out on the loading dock, there isnt a huge db table of juicy cleartext keyed to names/address columns | 07:46 |
| bjv | sitting around waiting to be found. | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what has your server's email pw store to do with your local gconf (or config files, whatever)? | 07:47 |
| bjv | when i transmit a pw, i expect it to be hashed, and compared against a stored hash | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LOL | 07:49 |
| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 07:49 |
| bjv | when i enter a password into a local app, i expect the app to hash, and store the hash | 07:49 |
| dm8tbr | [ ] you understand how authentication mechanisms usually work | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok, then I'm fine with spying that "hashed( PW to transmit it when exploiting your mail account | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | honestly, that's weird nonsense | 07:50 |
| dm8tbr | if you don't want people to read the data on your device, encrypt it. | 07:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | if you don't want your password to be automatically accessable, then don't store it on device and rather enter it on request | 07:54 |
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| bjv | touche, that does necessitate the need for storing the cleartext | 07:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there is no way to store a password locally to use it later, but same time it's not existent in a usable form on same device | 07:57 |
| bjv | not with email anyway | 07:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | very 'clever' apps obscure PWs via rot13 or similar nonsense | 07:58 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer51: will meego have user accts? :) | 08:03 |
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| Macer | i never thought to ask | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nfi | 08:03 |
| Macer | i am surprised nobody ever made a way for maemo to have them | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd guess yes | 08:03 |
| Macer | like a plugin or something | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maemo has one | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err two, root and user | 08:04 |
| Macer | haha | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | plus the usual virtual ones | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pulseaudio for example | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OE doesn't have a etc/passwd afaik | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for sure they have no 'user' account | 08:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you don't need rootsh or similar, you're always root | 08:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Macer: some programs on maemo have hardcoded user "user" | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or hardcoded home "/home/user" | 08:08 |
| Macer | haha | 08:10 |
| Macer | well... i honestly do hope meego does finally fully work on the n900 | 08:11 |
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| RST38h | User! Stand up! | 08:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Macer: maemo even has useradd cmd | 08:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | there's virtually nothing missing, except login at boot | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and proper apps that don't use hardcoded pathes | 08:19 |
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| TheJ | good morning | 08:41 |
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| TheJ | has anyone had any stability or other issues with powerkernel 46? | 08:42 |
| TheJ | was wondering if i should update | 08:42 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/02/feb_march_microbite/ | 08:56 |
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| Termana | good morning | 09:29 |
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| mece | mornin | 09:38 |
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| crashanddie | morning | 10:25 |
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| divan0 | morning | 10:36 |
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| ilius | is there a hack in N900 to lock it when unlocked just because of connecting a charger? | 10:42 |
| ilius | something like call-locker | 10:42 |
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| ruskie | it unlocks??? | 10:43 |
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| ruskie | tends to just ask me for the code iirc | 10:43 |
| ilius | ruskie: yes unlocks for me! | 10:44 |
| ilius | ruskie: :-/ | 10:44 |
| mece | hey | 10:44 |
| mece | I have a question. | 10:44 |
| mece | or idea | 10:44 |
| mece | or something | 10:44 |
| ilius | or nothing | 10:44 |
| mece | hahha | 10:44 |
| ilius | :-D | 10:45 |
| mece | ilius, damn, you saw right through that one | 10:45 |
| ilius | mece: :-D | 10:45 |
| mece | ok anyway | 10:46 |
| mece | now I have a niggle with my n900 that I figure shouldn't be too hard to fix. | 10:46 |
| mece | or hack | 10:47 |
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| mece | problem is that it's annoyingly complicated to unlock the screen | 10:47 |
| mece | this is how I'd like it to work | 10:48 |
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| mece | I would like it so that when you lock the screen the touch sensor would still be active, so that if you touch the screen the side to unlock bar would appear. | 10:49 |
| mece | (unless the proximity sensor says something is in it's proximity) | 10:49 |
| mece | I see no reason to have the 2 step unlocking | 10:50 |
| ruskie | erm... I do... to not get activated by random touches | 10:50 |
| mece | ruskie, activated how? | 10:51 |
| mece | and what random touches? | 10:51 |
| joga | complicated to unlock the screen? you mean sliding the thingy on the right? | 10:51 |
| mece | joga, well actually that is rather complicated for me right now because the little tip on the slider has worn off, but even with the slider working, it's not convenient with just one hand | 10:52 |
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| joga | it just requires some practice...I do it with one hand | 10:52 |
| joga | (using thumb) | 10:53 |
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| mece | joga, ok I can do that, (or could, i actually can't now, I have to use a nail to unlock now) but then I'd have to reposition the phone back to the one handed after that. | 10:54 |
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| joga | anyway, activating the screen by touch is not very good if you think about putting it in your pocket | 10:55 |
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| mece | (10:49:42 AM) mece: (unless the proximity sensor says something is in it's proximity) | 10:56 |
| ruskie | mece, that assumes the proximity sensor is reliable | 10:56 |
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| mece | ok, can I'm a little tired here, so I might have written it confusing, but still. "so that if you touch the screen the side to unlock bar would appear." | 10:58 |
| mece | ah | 10:58 |
| mece | side = slide :) | 10:58 |
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| ruskie | but that uses unnecessary power | 10:58 |
| ruskie | since it needs to power on the screen | 10:58 |
| mece | ruskie, well if the proximity sensor does nothing | 10:58 |
| ruskie | btw... you can already get to that unlock bar with a single button press | 10:59 |
| ruskie | just hit the power button | 10:59 |
| ruskie | then you can unlock it | 10:59 |
| mece | ruskie, yes, I know. | 10:59 |
| mece | ruskie, that is the really inconvenient part. My power button requires a lot of pressure | 10:59 |
| mece | and it's pretty small | 10:59 |
| ruskie | it does? | 11:00 |
| ruskie | I use my whole finger... and just gently press it and it activates | 11:00 |
| mece | ruskie, well I use my whole finger and I have to press it hard to activate. if I press it with my nail it works pretty well | 11:01 |
| mece | ruskie, either way I almost never get it on the first click | 11:01 |
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| mece | ruskie, and I've noticed that most phones seem to work in the way i described, and do not seem to suffer from it particularly. | 11:02 |
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| mece | anyway, I didn't ask about this because I wanted ideas on how to unlock the screen in the current state, but rather, I wonder if the whole unlocking locking bit is open sourced | 11:06 |
| mece | so I can make it so, as Patrick Stewart used to say. | 11:07 |
| joga | my proximity sensor at least is a bit unreliable | 11:08 |
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| joga | often I find I've lost some icons while talking | 11:08 |
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| joga | or some package manager is open or whatever :) I've messed it up myself when I "accidentally" pushed a nail into the screen | 11:09 |
| joga | but IMO, the phone should do nothing unless I flip a mechanical switch | 11:09 |
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| mece | joga, LOL, I don't intend to force this upon you, don't worry. but I really really want it. For me. | 11:12 |
| mece | joga, does your phone answer or hangup when you have it in your pocket, or when you're talking on the phone? | 11:13 |
| joga | mece, sometimes I do press hangup with my cheek or something, but not that often | 11:15 |
| mece | joga, right,, while talking :) missed that one. anyway, the only time the sensor is needed is when phone is in pocket. and not because it would destroy things or start clicking buttons but because it uses extra battery to light up the screen in the pocket. | 11:15 |
| joga | I think the screen turns off like 70% of the time when I'm on the phone but depending how it's aligned on my head it either is on or off | 11:15 |
| joga | I'm not convinced the proximity sensor could even be reliably used to detect being in a pocket | 11:16 |
| mece | joga, if the sensor fails AND the pocket manages slide to unlock, the I suppose it's within the pockets right to wreak some havoc :) | 11:16 |
| mece | joga, do you pocket answer a lot? | 11:17 |
| joga | no, I think | 11:17 |
| mece | joga, then the sensor works. | 11:17 |
| joga | eh | 11:17 |
| joga | the screen is on in my pocket when a call comes in | 11:17 |
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| mece | joga, is it? | 11:18 |
| joga | I'm just agile enough to not answer when I pick it up from there :) | 11:18 |
| joga | I thought the proximity sensor was some capacitive thing and not optical | 11:18 |
| ilius | if it had multi-touch, the problem was easier to solve | 11:18 |
| joga | heh | 11:18 |
| mece | illius, how would multitouch change it? | 11:18 |
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| joga | maybe two-finger swipe or so | 11:19 |
| ilius | mece: that differs when thats in your pocket and when your finger touchs it | 11:19 |
| mece | joga, I don't know, but I do know that the screen does not activate when in my pocket. Otherwise calls would be answered or hungup while phone is in pocket. | 11:20 |
| ilius | an small part is touched or large part | 11:20 |
| joga | mece, maybe your pocket just doesn't hit the right keys by chance? ;) | 11:20 |
| joga | I can test this easily...hold on | 11:21 |
| mece | joga, sound like something's broken on yours. | 11:21 |
| mece | :) | 11:21 |
| joga | let me try simulating pocketdom | 11:21 |
| ilius | :-D | 11:21 |
| ilius | a sensored pocket simlulator is needed | 11:22 |
| joga | nah I just wrapped the left half in paper and tried calling it | 11:22 |
| joga | the display didn't turn on, I had the paper tightly there | 11:22 |
| mece | well I just put phone in pocket and called myself, with screen towards outside, the screen was dark until I took it out of my pocket. | 11:23 |
| joga | lol and now I tried calling again and it puts it to answering machine...eh | 11:23 |
| mece | hahaha | 11:23 |
| joga | I had some problem yesterday, couldn't receive calls | 11:23 |
| joga | put it to offline mode and back, then it worked | 11:23 |
| joga | ...now it works again when I rang a third time | 11:24 |
| joga | whatever :) | 11:24 |
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| joga | ok...if I place the paper so that it's about 0.5-1 cm away from the sensor, the screen stays on | 11:25 |
| mece | and if it touches or is really close? | 11:25 |
| joga | probably mostly it stays off, but if I'm sitting or otherwise my phone is laying in my pocket so that there's not anything immediately in front of it, it doesn't work | 11:25 |
| ilius | imagine drawing a circle with your finger on the touch screen in locked mode | 11:25 |
| joga | mece, then it works as expecte | 11:25 |
| joga | +d | 11:25 |
| ilius | that could'nt accidentaly | 11:26 |
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| ilius | like it zoom in/out in browser | 11:26 |
| mece | illius, I don't think that a simple slide to unlock is a problem either. | 11:26 |
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| ilius | mece: my nickname only has one L :) | 11:27 |
| mece | ilius, heh yeah | 11:27 |
| ilius | :-D | 11:27 |
| mece | ilius, anyway, we were talking about getting to the slide to unlock screen | 11:27 |
| ilius | mece: is not just drawing a circle easier that what we do now? | 11:29 |
| mece | ilius, touching the screen is easier than drawing a circle | 11:29 |
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| joga | what if you want to hold the phone without constantly avoiding the screen | 11:29 |
| ilius | a > 180 arc is enough, and that will never be accidentaly | 11:30 |
| mece | I want to change click power then slide to tap screen then slide | 11:30 |
| SpeedEvil | You can also use the hardware unlock switch | 11:31 |
| mece | joga, well, if you feel the touch to unlock screen eats too much battery or somehow offends youif activated on those times you hold the phone while not avoiding to touch the screen then I guess this solution is not for you. | 11:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I also want it to display the lock screen when proximity sensor goes on->off, there is significant orientation change, and the ambient light level goes up. | 11:32 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, yesss! | 11:32 |
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| joga | mece, I just feel that any user would sometimes want to hold the phone without starting programs accidentally or rearranging the home screen or whatever.. | 11:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Optionally when there is no light, and the above conditions are met, and it's nighttime | 11:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi | 11:33 |
| mece | joga, slide to unlock!!!!!!!111 | 11:33 |
| * joga reads again | 11:33 | |
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| mece | joga, everything we've talked about has been about getting to the slide to unlock screen | 11:33 |
| mece | everything. | 11:34 |
| joga | ok so you want it to show the unlocking screen whenever it's not in pocket or in use | 11:34 |
| ilius | joga: except for when listening a music using bluetooth headset | 11:34 |
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| mece | lol | 11:34 |
| mece | ok | 11:34 |
| * mece calms down | 11:34 | |
| mece | sorry, I haven't slept. | 11:34 |
| mece | anyway | 11:34 |
| mece | this is waht I want | 11:34 |
| mece | imagine an n900, with screen locked | 11:34 |
| ilius | :-D | 11:35 |
| mece | it's black and mysterious. what hides beneath the darknes you might wonder | 11:35 |
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| mece | you gently tap the smooth surface that appears to be the screen... | 11:35 |
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| mece | the screen lights up with glorious colors, | 11:35 |
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| mece | on the screen you see time of day, and a button, with the label, "slide to unlock" | 11:36 |
| ilius | and plays a glorious music | 11:36 |
| mece | ilius, well, perhaps :D | 11:36 |
| joga | well basically holding it in your hand often translates to a touch on the screen, at least if you hold it so it's steady in one hand | 11:36 |
| ilius | mece: :-D | 11:36 |
| joga | mece, but yeah I'm not saying what you propose is a problem or anything | 11:36 |
| mece | joga, well, lett me just quote myself on this one: (11:32:11 AM) mece: joga, well, if you feel the touch to unlock screen eats too much battery or somehow offends youif activated on those times you hold the phone while not avoiding to touch the screen then I guess this solution is not for you. | 11:37 |
| mece | hehe | 11:37 |
| mece | ok | 11:37 |
| mece | well | 11:37 |
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| joga | I just like it more the way it is, that I need to do a *click* thingy to make it take input | 11:37 |
| joga | it's not the most comfortable mechanical slider though, but it works | 11:37 |
| mece | that's what I would like. mostly because my hardware slider is worn out and very difficult to use, and my power button requires a lot of pressure to be clicked. | 11:38 |
| mece | anyway, SpeedEvil, do you happen to know where one should go poking to modify things like these? | 11:39 |
| joga | heh how about using opencv or something to unlock it when you look at it ;) | 11:39 |
| mece | joga, what's that? | 11:39 |
| joga | a computer vision library | 11:39 |
| joga | though the front cam is not good enough probably and it wouldn't work unless it was a bright day etc | 11:39 |
| mece | oh that :D well I suppose the camera would have to be active also, which, I'm guessing, uses a lot of battery. | 11:40 |
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| mece | but on a device without the battery issues that would be really cool. | 11:40 |
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| joga | make it first check that it's not in a pocket with the prox sensor, then it could listen for a bit of audio to activate the camera to get a pic and if it can find eyes, it unlocks ;) | 11:42 |
| joga | hehe, or not | 11:42 |
| mece | joga :D | 11:42 |
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| mece | joga, and it could change the bg image according to the mood of the face it sees! | 11:43 |
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| joga | mece, yeah, and call 911 if it looks real bad | 11:46 |
| cfreak200 | i'm wondering if there's any way to send text messages from my pc with the n900 is conected to it (via usb) without writing new software ? :) | 11:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | cfreak200: nokia pc suite allows that on windows | 11:48 |
| cfreak200 | windows, whats that ? :P | 11:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | cfreak200: I'm not sure about such a sw on linux | 11:48 |
| cfreak200 | mhm :/ | 11:49 |
| cfreak200 | are the interfaces open/documented somewhere? | 11:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | cfreak200: doesn't your house have windows? | 11:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | cfreak200: I dunno, maybe DocScrutinizer knows more | 11:49 |
| mece | cfreak200, ssh into phone and use this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS | 11:49 |
| cfreak200 | Venemo_N900: you mean those things that are always shut down ? :P | 11:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | cfreak200: heh | 11:50 |
| cfreak200 | mece: thanks ;) | 11:50 |
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| ilius | blueman gives a tcp connection via bluetooth i think | 11:50 |
| ilius | but i never did a test on it | 11:50 |
| cfreak200 | mece: does that support multi-part-messages? I'm not sure about the specification but those need to be handeld in a special way? | 11:51 |
| cfreak200 | nvm, the dbus interface should handle that special case :-) | 11:52 |
| mece | cfreak200, it does? | 11:53 |
| mece | cfreak200, I would have guessed not | 11:53 |
| cfreak200 | mece: well i think it does, atleast that would a good implementation.. | 11:53 |
| mece | cfreak, test it | 11:54 |
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| cfreak200 | i'll ;) | 11:54 |
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| trx | does anyone know in which enviroment does the autobuilder compile, ARM or x86? | 12:12 |
| mece | trx, you mean what environment the actual machine is? | 12:15 |
| trx | no, i mean, i am creating a .deb to send to it | 12:15 |
| jacekowski | trx: both | 12:16 |
| trx | i need to know what to put in my makefile | 12:16 |
| trx | both? | 12:16 |
| jacekowski | trx: depending on your rules | 12:16 |
| mece | trx, it builds both | 12:16 |
| jacekowski | you select it | 12:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | trx: it accepts source packages, not .debs | 12:16 |
| trx | yeah, my bad.. | 12:16 |
| mece | soo.. | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | do apt-get source some_package | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | and check how it's done there | 12:17 |
| trx | right | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | package will be built on arm and/or x86 depending on control file | 12:17 |
| mece | jacekowski, you who knows and is annoyed by locked bits in maemo, is the screen lock things closed source? | 12:17 |
| trx | thank you all | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | i'm not annoyed by closed bits | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | i'm annoyed by not working bits | 12:18 |
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| mece | jacekowski, ok then. well regardless | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | trx: well, it's x86 in reality | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | trx: and then arm is just emulated | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | trx: but you don't have to worry about that | 12:18 |
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| trx | i do because i need to setup the compiler in before building | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | then you assume that you are running on platform that you are building package for | 12:21 |
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| ZogG_laptop | haha | 12:22 |
| trx | thats what i taught, just wanted to be sure | 12:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | my laptop is battery is dying without AC, i thought bat was dead | 12:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | but actually it just never charge it | 12:23 |
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| RST38h | Well? | 12:23 |
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| RST38h | Anything new? Anything exciting? Has anyone installed that WP7 beta update to their N900s? | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I have WP8 on mine. | 12:24 |
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| ZogG_laptop | RST38h, i have 3.11 | 12:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | f it, old skool | 12:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: why would wp7 be exciting? | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | 3.11 would actually be designed for about the right screen resolution. | 12:25 |
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| ShadowJK | w95 too | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: there is wp7 for n900? | 12:28 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, yes it seems now with mobile computing we have rolled back time | 12:28 |
| ShadowJK | I had to charge the battery quite a few times before windows install completed :/ | 12:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah, only it's not touch friendly | 12:28 |
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| RST38h | jacekowski: Yes, Nokia is seeding it to selected developers | 12:29 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N900, when your OK button takes up a large fraction of screen anyway, it was by default more touch friendly :P | 12:29 |
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| jacekowski | RST38h: share it | 12:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: :) | 12:29 |
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| * ShadowJK thinks RST38h is full of shit :) | 12:30 | |
| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: really? | 12:30 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: can't. very exclusive. | 12:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | lol | 12:30 |
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| jacekowski | RST38h: nobody is going to know | 12:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: pics or it didn't happen | 12:30 |
| RST38h | You just asked for it, on an open channel | 12:30 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: you can send it to me on query | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: There was a 3.11 touch-version IIRC | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: Or at least w95 | 12:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | heh | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | 'pen' ? | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_for_Pen_Computing | 12:32 |
| alterego | I had a tablet that ran 3.11 | 12:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | hmmm | 12:32 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think they'd written drivers for wp7 for n900 especially when MS wouldn't allow wp7 on N900 hardware anyway | 12:32 |
| alterego | The screen was about A4 size, | 12:32 |
| alterego | Think it had a 16 shade monochrome display | 12:33 |
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| Venemo_N900 | ShadowJK: yeah, n900 lacks the windows button | 12:33 |
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| ShadowJK | And doesnt ms demand qualcomm anyways? | 12:33 |
| lcuk | it does sorta have CTRL + ALT + DEL :D | 12:33 |
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| Venemo_N900 | ShadowJK: dunno | 12:34 |
| ShadowJK | I'm pretty sure RST38h is running wordperfect on his N900 ;) | 12:35 |
| ShadowJK | wordperfect 7 | 12:35 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lol ShadowJK | 12:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | achipa: ping | 12:39 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: It is running in VMware compat layer! | 12:42 |
| * RST38h still finds it amusing that MS has not been able to port their stuff beyond quallcom | 12:42 | |
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| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: i thought qualcomm is arm too | 12:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | anyway, I have to leave now | 12:47 |
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| Venemo_N900 | byebye | 12:47 |
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| mece | GAH! | 12:47 |
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| mece | why the frack is osso-systemui-tklock closed? | 12:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Because it might be useful to a phone vendor. | 12:49 |
| Robot101 | I think its actually patents :/ | 12:51 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, Oh yeah, I forgot, n900 is the only touch screen device that can lock the screen. | 12:51 |
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| Robot101 | I'll leave you to figure out who is suing who about that :P | 12:51 |
| RST38h | Venemo: that is the funny part | 12:51 |
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| RST38h | Quallcom *is* ARM, so they appear to be dependent on some feature of the Quallcom SoC. Their 3D hw maybe? | 12:52 |
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| mece | RST38h, how embarassing | 12:53 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, well even if arm core is same, it starts getting different already at the memory controller... | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Robot101: why would anybody need a source to enforce a paent that's regularly about operation principles, not about implementation? | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or why would you keep your source closed if you already got a patent on it? | 13:16 |
| Robot101 | I have no idea | 13:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | The patentholder may only licence closed source implementations. | 13:24 |
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| fladnag | Hello ! | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: :-/ yup | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | so your prev. statement makes even more sense | 13:26 |
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| peetah | hi, I would like to start developing on N900 | 13:33 |
| peetah | I have seen the wiki page about sdk installation, but also noticed the maemo-sdk+ packages | 13:34 |
| peetah | which one is prefered ? | 13:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | someone just said to me that ipad is cooler than n900 | 13:35 |
| mece | ZogG_laptop, wow | 13:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | mece, abraca and xmms2 dev | 13:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | let's lynch him | 13:36 |
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| lolcat | ZogG_laptop: I helped a dude who has the same telco provider as me to setup fmms. He says he takes his iPad everywhere | 13:41 |
| lolcat | I don't get it really | 13:42 |
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| lolcat | I want to get a mouse and a keyboard for the N900 so I can use it as a UMPC | 13:42 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lolcat, next time bring your PC and say to him, my PC is cooler than your iPad i take it everywhere | 13:43 |
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| lolcat | ZogG_laptop: I never move my pc. When I study I write what I need on the N900 | 13:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | lolcat, just to proove him he is wrong do this | 13:45 |
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| lolcat | ZogG_laptop: I can't think of a single reason to take a iPad somewhere except from the advantage of a bigger screen... | 13:45 |
| lolcat | The N900 has everything I need | 13:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | that is my point | 13:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | u can't put ipad in pocket | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | i take my meego devices with me, n900 for writing on, ideapad for sitting at side of me as wallboard/reminder thingy | 13:46 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lcuk, but ipead is more like netbook | 13:47 |
| dm8tbr | lolcat: I have an SU-8W as a better keyboard. didn't get around to testing it much though | 13:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | while ipad is just huge ipod =) | 13:47 |
| lcuk | ZogG_laptop, the keyboard makes for an efficient stand | 13:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | lcuk, and u got it for free, i hate you =) | 13:47 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.meego.r&d.n900.and.ideapad.fullspeed.20110220_011.jpg | 13:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | i want one too | 13:47 |
| zutesmog | So what do you guys think the chances of getting meego up and running on this http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SULI-SL-7i-ANDROID-2-2-TABLET-PC-SLATE-FLASH-3G-3D-NEW-/230589306449?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item35b0319651#ht_8851wt_1141 | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | iPad is for frisbee | 13:48 |
| lcuk | ZogG_laptop, meh, your devices are what you make them to be | 13:48 |
| zutesmog | Samsung cortex A8 | 13:48 |
| lcuk | ZogG_laptop, Intel opened up device program for meego | 13:49 |
| ShadowJK | ipad isn't cortex a8/a9, is it? | 13:49 |
| lcuk | so if you have an awesome idea you could possibly get one for free too :P | 13:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | lcuk, no meetings in israel and i'm too useless to get free ideapad | 13:50 |
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| mece | ShadowJK, I'm not sure. | 13:50 |
| mece | ShadowJK, I thought it was. | 13:50 |
| lcuk | ZogG_laptop, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-March/003632.html | 13:51 |
| lcuk | who said anything about ideapad? | 13:51 |
| lolcat | dm8tbr: Bluetooth keyboard?̈́ | 13:51 |
| dm8tbr | lolcat: yes | 13:51 |
| chem|st | zutesmog: wrong chanel... go -> #meego | 13:52 |
| zutesmog | rarely anyone one there. ;-( | 13:52 |
| * dm8tbr calls BS on that | 13:52 | |
| RST38h | ** #maemo 429 Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | 13:52 |
| lolcat | dm8tbr: It looks good | 13:52 |
| RST38h | 429 people here | 13:53 |
| zutesmog | well asked yesterday and no one had any ideas. | 13:53 |
| chem|st | zutesmog: doesn't help that this is a maemo chan^^ | 13:53 |
| RST38h | zutesmog: Maybe nobody knows? | 13:53 |
| zutesmog | on meego, sorry, meego was mentioned | 13:53 |
| zutesmog | yep looking for ideas, not definitive answers. | 13:53 |
| zutesmog | and you guys where talking meego here so I didn't think it out of place. | 13:54 |
| chem|st | zutesmog: look into platform specs and if it is arm cortex at least that is supported yet | 13:54 |
| lolcat | dm8tbr: How much resitance is it when you write on it? | 13:54 |
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| zutesmog | platform specs suggest it could work, but I won't mention such things here ever again | 13:54 |
| chem|st | zutesmog: you may have a descent driver lack | 13:54 |
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| chem|st | zutesmog: we cannot do anything more than guide you to self-enlightenment | 13:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | lcuk, i do want free device, but i'm not a such bad person, though i want to develop, but it would take me a long way to even call myself shitty developer =) | 13:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | so no meeGo for me | 13:56 |
| chem|st | if looking for specific device information for meego compatibility | 13:56 |
| zutesmog | chem|st: thats all I was looking for. | 13:56 |
| lcuk | ZogG_laptop, I am a visual basic developer | 13:56 |
| dm8tbr | lolcat: spent next to zero time playing with it. it's almost too small for touch typing, so will only know after I try for a while if my fingers are too thick ;) | 13:56 |
| chem|st | zutesmog: and anything worth mentioning should go to #meego and wiki.meego | 13:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | lcuk, i'm no developer at all | 13:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | lcuk, http://zogg.lex.io/?p=7 | 13:57 |
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| lolcat | dm8tbr: I migth go for a cheaper M$ keyboard then, it is bigger but still small enough to put in a bad without it being to heavy | 13:57 |
| chem|st | lcuk: have you tried mental therapy yet? | 13:57 |
| lcuk | ZogG_laptop, some people would say that VB is not development either | 13:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | lcuk, anything > nothing, right? | 13:58 |
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| dm8tbr | lolcat: paired it to the laptop. it feels smallish, but I am already touch typing with it | 13:59 |
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| dm8tbr | not at my usual 300 plus speed ofc | 14:00 |
| lolcat | dm8tbr: I used to write on an EEE 10,1" | 14:00 |
| dm8tbr | eee might be eeven smaller | 14:00 |
| dm8tbr | bbl. meeting | 14:00 |
| lolcat | Not sure if I want real size or tiny. The reason I dont want my laptop is because it is heavy and I don't want to carry it around | 14:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ruskie, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2336306/fresh_0.0.1_armel.deb | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG | does facebook chat still work? | 14:04 |
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| kerio | i use it with jabber | 14:05 |
| javispedro | moo | 14:07 |
| kerio | µ to you sir | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, gives me authentication failed | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 14:08 |
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| dm8tbr | lolcat: this folds and fits in my pocket | 14:10 |
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| lolcat | dm8tbr: That sure is an advantadge | 14:16 |
| lolcat | But I have to write as fast as my prof. speaks | 14:16 |
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| javispedro | hm.. the my-maemo guys are quite hardworking... | 14:17 |
| dm8tbr | lolcat: touch typing is a requirement then anyway | 14:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro, & | 14:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | ?* | 14:17 |
| javispedro | making a screenshot of every new extras-devel app... | 14:17 |
| lolcat | dm8tbr: Yes, I can't do it on the N900 keyboard | 14:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | javispedro, do they up it to maemo garage or maemo packages page? | 14:19 |
| dm8tbr | lolcat: something like the su-8w might be a good compromise then | 14:20 |
| javispedro | I do not think any of those pages accept screenshots. | 14:20 |
| javispedro | now, as for the download page... =) | 14:20 |
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| dm8tbr | lolcat: it might not be easy to find one to try out though. but you'd only know after using it for a while anyway | 14:21 |
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| lolcat | dm8tbr: I haven't found one of those anywhere in Norway... | 14:28 |
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| fladnag | Ipad is so crap :) | 14:31 |
| fladnag | Lol | 14:31 |
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| fladnag | I take two tech thingis with me all the time | 14:31 |
| fladnag | : n900 and the gameboy | 14:32 |
| fladnag | (dmg) | 14:32 |
| lolcat | Do you use the N900 as a phone? | 14:32 |
| fladnag | !!! ... Lsdj :) !!!!!! | 14:32 |
| Veggen | lolcat: n900 works very well as a phone. | 14:33 |
| fladnag | Nono just like a netbook ..! | 14:33 |
| Veggen | best one I ever had. Mind you, I only had Symbian before. | 14:33 |
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| Veggen | My iPhone-using SO was even a little envious of it. | 14:34 |
| Veggen | ;) | 14:34 |
| fladnag | Or for 3g/wlan internet or navigating ... | 14:34 |
| trx | the only thing i dont like about the "phone app" is that i cant see signal level while its ringing.. | 14:34 |
| trx | besides that, its a perfectly good phone | 14:34 |
| fladnag | I feel sory for evry iphone or ipad user or evry apple product ingennerel | 14:35 |
| fladnag | :) | 14:35 |
| fladnag | N900 !!! (For evrything in the digital world " E V E R Y T H I N G " ..! | 14:37 |
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| fladnag | ... And i do partys with nintendo gameboy's ! | 14:37 |
| fladnag | :p | 14:37 |
| lolcat | Veggen: Battery life is a bit less than what I am comfortable about | 14:37 |
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| fladnag | ... Thats why i bought 2more accus forthe n900 ..! | 14:38 |
| fladnag | :) | 14:38 |
| fladnag | For bigger trips :) | 14:38 |
| lolcat | accus? | 14:38 |
| cfreak200 | fladnag: you have a external charger for those ? :P | 14:38 |
| fladnag | Batterys | 14:39 |
| Macer | anybody know where i can get the windows tablet video encoder? | 14:39 |
| Macer | nokia's site says it has been archived | 14:39 |
| fladnag | Its ordered ..! | 14:39 |
| lolcat | fladnag: I have considered it, but I have to set the time every time I change the battery... | 14:39 |
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| fladnag | (ext charger for bl-5j) | 14:39 |
| cfreak200 | fladnag: you've a link ? | 14:39 |
| fladnag | ??? | 14:39 |
| fladnag | Time set?? | 14:39 |
| fladnag | The n900 can stay on while changing the battery ! | 14:40 |
| fladnag | :) | 14:40 |
| fladnag | Shell: root! | 14:40 |
| fladnag | Then : stop bme! | 14:41 |
| fladnag | Than you have 30sec to change the battery | 14:41 |
| peetah | so, nobody to tell me which one should be used to start developing on the n900: maemo sdk (sbox 1.x) or maemo sdk+ (sbox 2.x) ? | 14:41 |
| lolcat | fladnag: No, it can't? | 14:41 |
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| fladnag | ?? | 14:41 |
| fladnag | I do it allthe time like that | 14:42 |
| lolcat | I can run the N900 for 30 seconds without the battery? | 14:42 |
| cfreak200 | lolcat: with the charger attached i think.. | 14:42 |
| fladnag | ( because the external charger is late :p ) | 14:42 |
| fladnag | Jes :) | 14:42 |
| fladnag | With the chrarger attached :) | 14:42 |
| fladnag | ... | 14:43 |
| lolcat | Didn't work here... | 14:43 |
| fladnag | :p | 14:43 |
| lolcat | I was offered another N900, maybe I should buy it and have two of it | 14:43 |
| fladnag | There are SOME pages obout that battery related crap for our beloved n900 on maemo.org ..! | 14:44 |
| Macer | ah. found it. nm | 14:44 |
| lolcat | Does anyone know how a mouse would work in maemo? | 14:44 |
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| cfreak200 | invisible ^^ | 14:44 |
| Macer | idle batter life is pretty good | 14:44 |
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| Macer | battery | 14:44 |
| fladnag | If its cheap - do it ! | 14:44 |
| lolcat | Macer: The N900 is like boobs, you can't stop fiddeling with em... | 14:44 |
| divan0 | lolcat, what does mean 'how'? | 14:44 |
| Macer | use battery life is a little on the down side depending on how you use it | 14:45 |
| Macer | :) | 14:45 |
| cfreak200 | is there any official statement about the usb charging issue ? | 14:45 |
| Macer | lolcat: i know heh | 14:45 |
| fladnag | Lol boobs :) | 14:45 |
| lolcat | divan0: Do I see a mouse pointer? Can I use it to navigate? | 14:45 |
| Macer | i thought it lasted a long time tho considering | 14:45 |
| divan0 | lolcat, yep, you see pointer. Navigate where? | 14:45 |
| fladnag | There is a mousepointer app ..! | 14:45 |
| divan0 | apt-get install extmou | 14:45 |
| lolcat | Mine was bougth as a display model, so it had been used for a while, so I guess the battery is worn out. | 14:45 |
| lolcat | divan0: Like between IM windows and SMS | 14:46 |
| lolcat | and my notes | 14:46 |
| Macer | lolcat: sucks | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, this is #maemo right? | 14:47 |
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| cfreak200 | MohammadAG: yep, but it could ne #n900 aswell ;) | 14:47 |
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| divan0 | lolcat, all you can click/navigate with finger/stylus, you'll be able to do with mouse (+ visible pointer). | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | seems like #boobs to me | 14:49 |
| Macer | hah | 14:49 |
| niala1 | hello all, do you know if i can setup luminosity of n900 to save the battery ? | 14:50 |
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| lolcat | niala1: Settings? | 14:50 |
| Arkenoi | btw is there a way to hide mouse pointer after external hid was disconnected? | 14:51 |
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| niala1 | lolcat: thank you, sorry. it was so evident, i haven't :)saw | 14:54 |
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| lolcat | niala1: I was afraid I wasn't specific enough, but it is quite easy to find it | 14:55 |
| fladnag | Mohammadag: are there news about h-e-n & charging the n900 ? ...Besides the battery-mods where a charger is directly connected to the battery inside the n900 ... ?? | 14:56 |
| fladnag | Or does anyone know ? | 14:57 |
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| fladnag | And mohammadag : do you know if there is a way to PERMANENTLY "kick/delete/or whatever to get rid of" the "trackerd" or "tracker" ?? | 14:59 |
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| fladnag | ... The tracker-cfg seems to be not helpfull | 15:00 |
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| fladnag | ... I sortof disabled the fuckin tracker there and it pops up like bevore ..! | 15:00 |
| fladnag | Sometimes for longer periods | 15:01 |
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| fladnag | Its so bad for batterylife and performnce ... | 15:01 |
| fladnag | I cant stand it anymore | 15:01 |
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| lolcat | What does trackerd do? | 15:02 |
| fladnag | Filesystem-accses and such was so much faster on my old palm-zodiac and t5 ... ! Its a shame ! (Cortex ..... :p ) | 15:03 |
| fladnag | Trackerd ??? | 15:03 |
| andre__ | tracker indexes (is that the word?) your files and its metadata. e.g. for songs. | 15:04 |
| fladnag | Some fucking bitching process wich starts evry time ithink when even the smallest change of settings or the filesystem on the n900 happens ..! | 15:05 |
| andre__ | settings? not really. filesystem: yes. | 15:05 |
| fladnag | I cant stand it anylonger | 15:05 |
| fladnag | Realy | 15:05 |
| fladnag | Its sooo boring | 15:06 |
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| MohammadAG | fladnag, haven't worked on h-e-n for a while | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | too much stuff on my hands | 15:06 |
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| MohammadAG | fladnag, the media player won't work without tracker | 15:06 |
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| MohammadAG | or the image viewer | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | tracker's concept is cool, badly executed though | 15:07 |
| fladnag | Not even "external" players or viewers ??? | 15:07 |
| fladnag | Aaaaargh | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | fladnag: battery mods? WTF? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 15:08 |
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| fladnag | There has to be a way around the dear tracker | 15:09 |
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| fladnag | Docscrutinizer: ithink im confused rightknow : how many pins does the micro-usb-port has ? is there a way to let the current flow in both directions i mean from the n900 to a device (for hosting) and also to the n900 (for charging) with some sort of adapter and settings ?? | 15:21 |
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| fladnag | I hate nokia for the fact that ther is no ordinary charging port on the n900 !!! | 15:23 |
| fladnag | (besides the micro-usb-port) | 15:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, watching your music player code, can u tell me where did u use signals and slots so i'll watch it as an example | 15:23 |
| fladnag | (wich is for data connections !!!!) | 15:23 |
| joga | why not both | 15:24 |
| ruskie | fladnag, erm... data connection == wifi ;) usb == charge | 15:24 |
| fladnag | Both what? | 15:24 |
| joga | it would be called "ordinary" if all phones had one :) | 15:24 |
| ruskie | and yes you should be able to both charge and use it for data | 15:24 |
| fladnag | R u aware of "h-e-n" ? | 15:25 |
| fladnag | And that harddrives or usb-sticks need power to be hosted ?? | 15:25 |
| joga | isn't that sort of like the nuggets' parents or something | 15:25 |
| ruskie | ow you mean that plug your usb device in... | 15:25 |
| ruskie | if you want an arm box for that I'd suggest a touchbook | 15:26 |
| fladnag | ?.. | 15:26 |
| lolcat | "And then there's the N8 OTG adapter that you can file to shape. | 15:26 |
| fladnag | Blabla | 15:26 |
| fladnag | :p | 15:26 |
| lolcat | I think I will get a N8 OTG cable then | 15:26 |
| lolcat | Or does dealxtreme have anything like it? | 15:26 |
| lolcat | http://cgi.ebay.com/mini-USB-OTG-Host-cable-Nokia-N8-sub-CA-157-/260745342784?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb5a22f40 | 15:28 |
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| lolcat | 4USD and free shipping, the image doesn't look anything like it though | 15:29 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, any chance you can nudge the libliqbase 0.3.67 please | 15:30 |
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| Macer | wordwell | 15:31 |
| Macer | working on encoding videos for my n900 to take with me on a couple flights on saturday | 15:31 |
| dm8tbr | lolcat: that's a micro-a cable most likely | 15:31 |
| Macer | :) | 15:31 |
| Macer | good thing tablet-encode makes some pretty nice videos | 15:31 |
| fladnag | Lol what doyou want with that :) ???? To be limited or someting ? What a sick joke | 15:32 |
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| lolcat | dm8tbr: I found one that claims it is for a N8, but looks the same as a threadd on the forum, and it is only 4USD so I guess if it is wrong it doesn't really mather | 15:32 |
| Macer | lolcat: with $20 shipping? :) | 15:32 |
| dm8tbr | lolcat: well you can mechanically adapt a micro-a to fit into a micro-b. that's most likely what they are talking about | 15:33 |
| dm8tbr | oh, fascinating, the N8 really has an micro-a/b port. just checked. never noticed. | 15:34 |
| lolcat | Macer: Free shipping world wide | 15:34 |
| lolcat | dm8tbr: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=877938&postcount=399 I think this is the same one | 15:34 |
| fladnag | Arent you aware of the "micro-usb to normal female usb"-cable ?? ... So you can put in any cable you want ... !?! | 15:35 |
| fladnag | (also mini usb) | 15:35 |
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| lolcat | fladnag: I just want a hostmode cable, I don't know where to get one, I am in Norway | 15:36 |
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| fladnag | And that isn't the problem here ! ... The problem is WHILE - ANYTHING is connected (and there are even videos on youtube that show nearly evry possible divice connected (and working) to the n900 (like gamepads,sticks,hdd's,cardreaders,lan-adapters and whatever) the n900 needs to be charged also, because otherwise the fun you have with hosting things is VERY timelimited ..! | 15:39 |
| lolcat | fladnag: Can't you use a spliter? | 15:41 |
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| fladnag | What splitter? | 15:41 |
| fladnag | :) | 15:41 |
| fladnag | Tellme :) | 15:41 |
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| fladnag | Please :p | 15:41 |
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| fladnag | You know | 15:42 |
| ruskie | probably a hub | 15:42 |
| ruskie | with a power source and such | 15:42 |
| ruskie | you only need to provide the data lines to the n900 to actually have it detect the devices | 15:43 |
| fladnag | Lol probably | 15:43 |
| ruskie | and power them externally | 15:43 |
| fladnag | Jeah | 15:43 |
| ruskie | and use the power pins to actually power the n900 | 15:43 |
| fladnag | BUT | 15:43 |
| fladnag | ..! | 15:43 |
| fladnag | Do you know of a method to acomplish that ? ( That will work) :) ?? | 15:44 |
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| fladnag | Thats exactly the problem ! | 15:45 |
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| ruskie | hacking a microusb cable | 15:45 |
| ruskie | and possibly a hub | 15:46 |
| lolcat | A dvd player on the N900? Does it even suport dvds? | 15:46 |
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| lolcat | If the N900 could charge while using usb host mode we could use it as a webserver... | 15:48 |
| ruskie | or get like a dreamplug/sheevaplug | 15:48 |
| lcuk | lolcat, it can already | 15:48 |
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| lolcat | lcuk: Can you tell me what to buy to acheive that? | 15:50 |
| nidO | nothing | 15:50 |
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| nidO | its perfectly usable as a webserver out of the box | 15:51 |
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| fladnag | :) ruskie: ...that sounds good, but The only way the hosting works for now ihthink is with the h-e-n app from mohammadag and there you have to turn "vboost" (usb-power-output) on before you can enummerate or mount something ... So ... If the n900 gives power to something, how can it charge over the same lines (at the same time) :p ?? | 15:51 |
| lcuk | lolcat, just install one of the web servers? | 15:51 |
| lcuk | !rocket_science | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | you can echo into sysfs, h-e-n isn't exactly needed | 15:52 |
| ruskie | fladnag, should probably be modified to just require power and data... | 15:52 |
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| lcuk | konttori demonstrated something simple | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | and it cna charge | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | can* | 15:52 |
| lcuk | QML photoviewer demo on n900 with data from on-device webserver and tracker | 15:52 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VArTvtR4kow&feature=youtu.be&a | 15:52 |
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| lolcat | lcuk: I can install the webserver, it was the charging I was uncertain off | 15:53 |
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| lcuk | lolcat, the web server has sweet FA to do with charging | 15:53 |
| lcuk | how or why would the two things be mutually incompatible? | 15:53 |
| lolcat | lcuk: I did say a webserver on a WIRED network | 15:53 |
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| nidO | lcuk, I suspect the issue here is that lolcat is wanting to network the n900 via cable | 15:54 |
| lolcat | Hosting websites through wifi is not stable enough | 15:54 |
| nidO | lolcat, where did you actually mention that? | 15:54 |
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| lolcat | I implied it | 15:54 |
| lolcat | 14:48 < lolcat> If the N900 could charge while using usb host mode we could use it as a webserver... | 15:54 |
| lcuk | lolcat, different issue then, the question has nothing to do with webservers | 15:54 |
| * jonwil wonders if this "+ | 15:55 | |
| lcuk | it is "can I use USB for ANYTHING and also have my phone charging | 15:55 |
| jonwil | this copy of "C++ GUI Programming with QT4" he bought is any good for N900 programming | 15:55 |
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| Corsac | just don't drop it on the device | 15:55 |
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| * jonwil wonders if QT has a future | 15:58 | |
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| ruskie | jonwil, there's a KDE agreement with QT that if ever it becomes closed source they have the right to fork it under any free software license they see fit | 15:59 |
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| ruskie | it's an interesting approach | 15:59 |
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| jonwil | Right now its LGPL which is more than satisfactory for any open source guys | 16:00 |
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| jonwil | About the only guys who would have a problem with LGPL are those organizations doing closed development... | 16:01 |
| jonwil | Like Motorola on some of its pre-android linux phones where they used QT but didnt want anyone else doing development for the thing | 16:02 |
| jonwil | except though a crippled lame J2ME VM | 16:02 |
| jonwil | I of course have one with a selfbuilt kernel running on it :P | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | jonwil, what about all those people who have GPL | 16:03 |
| lcuk | like the kernel itself | 16:04 |
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| jonwil | Is it true that there are issues preventing QT from being changed as part of the CSSU? | 16:04 |
| jonwil | or am I mis-reading what I read/heard somewhere | 16:05 |
| lcuk | mixing metaphors | 16:05 |
| lcuk | i think | 16:05 |
| jonwil | actually I think what I heard is that Nokia cant change QT because of the ovi store | 16:05 |
| jonwil | change in ways that break the ABI | 16:05 |
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| jonwil | not that I care about the ovi store :P | 16:06 |
| * jonwil wishes someone would do a Backgammon game for the N900 though | 16:07 | |
| jonwil | Maybe I should write one myself :P | 16:07 |
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| lcuk | jonwil, good | 16:09 |
| jonwil | whats good? | 16:09 |
| lcuk | that you want to write something new | 16:09 |
| jonwil | I dont have the skills to write a backgammon game :P | 16:11 |
| lcuk | but you can start one | 16:11 |
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| jonwil | I dont have the skills for that either | 16:12 |
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| * lcuk writes backgammon | 16:12 | |
| lcuk | ok, I have started the liqbase one | 16:12 |
| lcuk | it might take 10 years until it is finished, but it has a marker already :) | 16:13 |
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| jonwil | UI programming has never been a strong point of mine | 16:16 |
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| lcuk | jonwil, nor mine | 16:16 |
| lcuk | first version of jonwil backgammon game: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110303_141537.liqtop1.scr.png | 16:16 |
| lcuk | release early, release often! | 16:17 |
| jonwil | and the N900 throws all sorts of extra stuff into the mix | 16:17 |
| jonwil | like hildon* | 16:17 |
| lcuk | it does on any platform jonwil | 16:17 |
| lcuk | just try the simplest approach | 16:17 |
| E0x | qt tutorial are for ppl that already know c++ and how struct files of it\ | 16:18 |
| E0x | let try follow it one more time... | 16:18 |
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| jonwil | Although to be fair, the N900 is a lot more sane than the mobile software stack I was working on many years ago when I did a 6 month stint at Motorola | 16:19 |
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| jonwil | That would have been around the time when the V3 RAZR was the best thing since sliced bread :P | 16:19 |
| fladnag | Anyone here who likes CHIPTUNES ? (atari/c64/amiga/gameboymusic) | 16:24 |
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| fladnag | Anyone here who wanted the PANDORA at first but then bought the n900 ?? | 16:25 |
| fladnag | ????????? | 16:26 |
| fladnag | :p | 16:26 |
| fladnag | :) | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | fladnag: has anyone ever told you you talk too much? | 16:28 |
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| fladnag | Kein name you stupid bitching lame shit :) no not yet and since i do not recognise you (atleast not as a worthy) you are no problem at all and if you have quietly listen for a while inthis chat, maybe you have a problem that you are afraid to talk about or something equally lame :p (... And so not very intersting) ... You know what this chat is doyou? A place where you can talk to other poeple - mostly tech related but also evrything else ... :) Maybe YOU a | 16:49 |
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| fladnag | re weong here :) ... go play somewhere else ;) | 16:49 |
| * timeless_office wonders if anyone here has bookmarked chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul in their microb browser | 16:49 | |
| timeless_office | in case people are curious about how to bookmark it, the steps are: | 16:49 |
| timeless_office | 1. load 'about:' | 16:49 |
| timeless_office | 2. click the '+' in the toolbar | 16:49 |
| timeless_office | 3. click 'add bookmark' | 16:49 |
| timeless_office | 4. change the title to 'Password Manager' | 16:49 |
| timeless_office | 5. change the location to 'chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul' | 16:50 |
| timeless_office | 6. add the bookmark :) | 16:50 |
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| RST38h | fladnag: You definitely talk too much. | 16:51 |
| Jaffa | timeless_office: Handy | 16:52 |
| timeless_office | jaffa: indeed | 16:52 |
| timeless_office | sorry i hadn't mentioned it earlier | 16:52 |
| timeless_office | there are a couple of other similar ones too fwiw, e.g. certificate manager | 16:52 |
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| fladnag | So | 16:56 |
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| fladnag | Does anyone know of a port or something to maemo that comes close to "deadbeef" on the pandora (a musicplayer that can handle nearly any "audio"-format like mod,sid,ape,ogg) | 16:58 |
| fladnag | I am ofcourse mostly interested in chippy formats, but jeah does anyone ? | 16:59 |
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| fladnag | (thats why i asked about chiptunes and the pandora-console) | 17:00 |
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| fladnag | ... ;) | 17:01 |
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| fladnag | Is there anyone here who has some expirience with this unoptified maemo-port of milkytracker ? | 17:03 |
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| fladnag | ... | 17:04 |
| fladnag | :p ... Time is on my side :) | 17:05 |
| fladnag | Lalala timeaftertime | 17:05 |
| fladnag | :p | 17:05 |
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| ShadowJK | heh | 17:06 |
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| njsf | HI | 17:09 |
| njsf | I suspect somehow my modest database is corrupt | 17:09 |
| njsf | modest keeps crashing | 17:09 |
| njsf | CSSU | 17:09 |
| njsf | are there any tools to "sanitize" the modest databases? | 17:10 |
| andre__ | why do you think that it has a "database"? | 17:10 |
| lolcat | Alien Dalvik, can I get spotify in it? | 17:10 |
| njsf | andre__: figure of speech. a filesystem is an hierarchical database for all intents or purposes | 17:12 |
| njsf | besides, that is kind of passive agressive no? | 17:12 |
| njsf | let it be | 17:12 |
| njsf | I'll figure it out | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_office: (bookmarked) long ago | 17:14 |
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| fladnag | Ok did anyone here manage to screw the filesystem (of the micro sd card ) on n900 somehow, so that an already open txt (in leafpad) was sortof "corrupt" (cant be opend anymore) ... (And it is a VERY important txt) ? | 17:16 |
| fladnag | What can i do ? | 17:16 |
| rm_work | is leafpad text stored as binary data or something? | 17:17 |
| rm_work | just open it with VI or nano or something | 17:17 |
| rm_work | or "strings" is your friend | 17:17 |
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| fladnag | You think thats possible ? (Just open ...?) | 17:17 |
| cehteh | fladnag: first of all .. make the filesystem readonly and make a complete image if the sd card, preferably with dd_rescue | 17:17 |
| rm_work | ... yes | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | odds are write of a flash erasepage of 128k went wrong. then your text might got lost completely | 17:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | if you know some searchstring, then a grep searchstring /dev/mmcblk1p1 might help | 17:20 |
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| fladnag | ??? Vi ? Nano ? Strings ? What are those ? | 17:21 |
| steve___ | fladnag: ask google | 17:22 |
| cfreak200 | trying my luck one more time: whats the gerneral treatment of nokia regarding the usb-charger issue? My N900 got that since a few weeks now and it's getting very annoying -.- | 17:22 |
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| Scorcerer | if you don't know what strings are you seriously need a girlfriend | 17:23 |
| Scorcerer | or some porn.... | 17:23 |
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| fladnag | What are you talking about you jackass ? | 17:24 |
| rm_work | lol | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cfreak200: | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ask | 17:25 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 17:25 |
| fladnag | Thats realy nice said infobot | 17:26 |
| rm_work | fladnag: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vi&l=1 | 17:27 |
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| rm_work | or http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+strings&l=1 | 17:28 |
| rm_work | or http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+nano&l=1 | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or man strings :-) (which means you need man and strings installed on maemo or it won't really help) | 17:30 |
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| rm_work | so, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+man | 17:31 |
| rm_work | i used to hate people who link lmgtfy but these days, srsly... | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or apt-cache search man | 17:32 |
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| nidO | that means http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo and http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apt are also needed | 17:32 |
| rm_work | good call nidO | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe also goodle about english, gutenberg, and ASCII? | 17:33 |
| merlin_1991 | channel is perfectly hostile again :D | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, not my fault | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 162031 <DocScrutinizer51> if you know some searchstring, then a grep searchstring /dev/mmcblk1p1 might help | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and no, googling for searchstring won't help | 17:35 |
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| pyther24 | Hello | 17:35 |
| pyther24 | How can I force the tracker to run a scan | 17:35 |
| merlin_1991 | rm the db and reboot | 17:36 |
| pyther24 | merlin_1991: where is the db? | 17:36 |
| merlin_1991 | also I think tracker runs if you unplug the phone from mass storage mode | 17:36 |
| pyther24 | hmm because I copied 26GB of music and it is only detecting one song :P | 17:37 |
| merlin_1991 | the tracker db files are at /home/user/.cache/tracker/ | 17:37 |
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| merlin_1991 | also pyther24 did you edit the tracker.cfg? | 17:39 |
| pyther24 | merlin_1991: yes I instaled tracker config | 17:39 |
| rm_work | cfreak200: as in, you plug in the charger and it doesn't charge? | 17:40 |
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| rm_work | cfreak200: is the USB port on your n900 at a slightly odd angle now? like, not quite square with the hole? | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | pyther24: there are some tracker admin tools | 17:42 |
| merlin_1991 | Doc, I think he's using one since he said he installed one ;) | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, I meant sth like tracker-foo --reindex | 17:44 |
| pyther24 | hehe, tracker config had an option to restart the tracker and remove the database, that seems to be working | 17:44 |
| cfreak200 | rm_work: i plug it in an it doesnt charge unless i put a bit of pressure at the top/bottom of the plug | 17:44 |
| rm_work | yeah | 17:44 |
| rm_work | that's bad | 17:44 |
| cfreak200 | rm_work: it's about 1mm to get it charging.. | 17:44 |
| rm_work | in about a week or possibly less the usb plug will actually probably break off and fall out | 17:44 |
| rm_work | is it under warranty? | 17:45 |
| cfreak200 | i've seen the thread at talk.maemo.org about that and wasnt sure what the reaction fro nokia is.. | 17:45 |
| cfreak200 | it's not 2 years old yet :-) | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | repair | 17:45 |
| rm_work | i heard people were finally getting nokia to repair them | 17:45 |
| rm_work | back up ALL of your stuff ASAP | 17:45 |
| rm_work | like NOW | 17:45 |
| rm_work | while the USB still connects | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | applying pressure will make things worse | 17:46 |
| cfreak200 | yeah i was searching through the nokia site before my nouveau driver caused kernel panic.. looking for a phone numer atm.. | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | after all it's been the root cause | 17:46 |
| rm_work | yeah | 17:46 |
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| rm_work | i had to use my friend's n810 battery and wedge it in the battery compartment of the n900 with a stylus so i could transfer my data off over wifi (when that happened to me) | 17:47 |
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| rm_work | i'm on my third n900 right now | 17:48 |
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| rm_work | this one has a dead pixel, but f#&% it, it works | 17:48 |
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| cfreak200 | i've a crack in the display because the cat thought it would be a toy.. | 17:48 |
| rm_work | and i'm ridiculously lucky to have convinced them to send me replacements (since i didn't actually buy the phone...) | 17:49 |
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| cfreak200 | i've buyed that one from ebay.. just hopeing that doesnt make things more complicated.. | 17:49 |
| rm_work | :/ | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shouldn't make a diff | 17:49 |
| cfreak200 | this f***ing service center search doenst work... | 17:50 |
| cfreak200 | and i'vnt had luck finding a phone number for the german service.. | 17:50 |
| cfreak200 | nvm i got one.. | 17:51 |
| Macer | service center? | 17:53 |
| cfreak200 | customer service number... | 17:53 |
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| timeless_office | cfreak200: nokia care or? | 18:02 |
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| cfreak200 | timeless_office: mhm? i havent had a chance to call them yet, will do it after work hours.. | 18:03 |
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| minttux | is it possible to make call from terminal. like <code> 5468843 | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably even 2 methods, pnatd and dbus-send | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see wiki phonecontrol | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 18:14 |
| minttux | i would like to call a number more and more when other side answer | 18:15 |
| minttux | automatically | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | for pnatd: I'd guess sth like `echo "ATD548834"|pnatd | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | minttux: please rephrase | 18:16 |
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| minttux | i used dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:"$09383866474" uint32:0 | 18:22 |
| minttux | but i got | 18:22 |
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| minttux | Error com.nokia.csd.Call.Error.InvalidAddress: Create call: Invalid Address Error | 18:23 |
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| minttux | whats wrong i got this code from wiki.maemo | 18:25 |
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| flexxxv | Hey, is there some list of apps that drain the battery (in standby) | 18:28 |
| flexxxv | My Standby Time of the n900 is really too short (less than 2 days if I do nothing) | 18:29 |
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| alterego | flexxxv: that's good, if you're leaving cellmo on ... | 18:32 |
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| flexxxv | alterego: I have wifi off bluetooth off and only 2G | 18:33 |
| flexxxv | batterygraph is also not looking right (at least I think) | 18:33 |
| alterego | yeah, that's probably alright then | 18:33 |
| alterego | And it's not so much apps, it's more badly written desktop widgets. | 18:33 |
| flexxxv | I just removed them... | 18:34 |
| flexxxv | In battery Graph the CPU usage should be around 0, if I dont use device at all, shoudn't it? | 18:34 |
| alterego | Dunno | 18:36 |
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| alterego | But two days is pretty good in my book for the N900, with 2G | 18:37 |
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| alterego | I tend to use mine quite a lot though, so I've never really done any decent tests. | 18:38 |
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| flexxxv | So anyone knows what a good result for powertop is? (I mean how much percent in which C mode) | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | flexxxv: >90% C4 | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | When idle. | 18:40 |
| flexxxv | I have 13% C | 18:40 |
| flexxxv | I have 13% C4 | 18:40 |
| flexxxv | 13% C4, 25% C3, 49%C2, 0% C0, 13%C0 | 18:41 |
| steve___ | flexxxv: I get 4 days on 2G with wifi on | 18:42 |
| flexxxv | steve___: nice :D | 18:42 |
| flexxxv | I know that something is eating my battery | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I get around 6 days. | 18:42 |
| flexxxv | but I cant find out what it is | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | (if I don't use it) | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | flexxxv: ssh + htop + screen | 18:42 |
| merlin_1991 | ist the 3g > 2g power consumption difference really that big? | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin_1991: It depends - notusually if it's actually idle | 18:43 |
| flexxxv | I didn't installed ssh for Power reasons :P | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | flexxxv: ssh uses no extra power when idle | 18:43 |
| flexxxv | ok thx | 18:43 |
| flexxxv | what do you mean with screen? | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | screen lets you disconnect from a running session | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | This is useful to use with htop | 18:44 |
| steve___ | flexxxv: To give you a point of reference. | 18:44 |
| steve___ | flexxxv: err sorry, 2.5G | 18:44 |
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| flexxxv | Speedevil: Could you explain a little more what to do with screen? | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - busy ATM | 18:47 |
| muelli | does anybody successfully use syncevolution? I can't get anything out of my N900, because it complains about: "[ERROR] addressbook: reading all items: Cannot get contact list: Authentication Required" | 18:47 |
| flexxxv | SpeedEvil: OK | 18:48 |
| steve___ | flexxxv: I'm assume he's suggesting he runs htop in screen and ssh's in when he thinks something is flaky | 18:48 |
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| flexxxv | Why shouldn't I run just htop over ssh? | 18:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | screen means you can reconnect to a running htop, even after a day on the road disconnected from it, and see if any processes have used a large amount of CPU. | 18:50 |
| steve___ | flexxxv: screen allows a person to persistently run programs | 18:50 |
| flexxxv | ok, I understand | 18:51 |
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| flexxxv | hmm | 18:51 |
| Cor-Ai | ssh+screen+irssi = true love! | 18:51 |
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| flexxxv | I'm just running htop. It says for example 25% cpu usage for all and around 8 % for htop.and 1% for ohmd. What processes are using the rest? | 18:53 |
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| steve___ | Cor-Ai: If you move from wifi to 3G it just auto reconnects? | 18:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | flexxxv: Also - reduce the update interval for htop to 1/min, and sort by CPU usage | 18:54 |
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| flexxxv | thx | 18:55 |
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| flexxxv | #/bin/sh -e -c #get debus session | 18:58 |
| flexxxv | what is that? | 18:58 |
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| flexxxv | sorry I mean: /bin/sh -e -c #get debus session | 18:59 |
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| Cor-Ai | steve___: depends on ssh conf, but yeah! | 19:00 |
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| mece | ffs how can it be so difficult to read a barcode?? | 19:03 |
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| flexxxv | I think I think some apps didn't uninstalled correcly :-( maybee I should clean up /etc/event.d | 19:04 |
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| flexxxv | Kernel power doesn't automatically overclock, does it? | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 19:08 |
| flexxxv | I'm just asking because I got some artefacts | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway battery-graph/eye/foo itself has way too high CPU load :-P | 19:10 |
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| flexxxv | DocScrutinizer: better Idea how to monitor the battery consumation? ;) | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bq27200.sh | 19:20 |
| ruskie | I thought there was that thing called a battery eye that tracks the battery use... | 19:21 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 19:33 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: hello! :) | 19:33 |
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| LuciusMare | Hello, if I want to reflash a N900 including the eMMC image, is it correct to use this command? sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R -r <emmc-image> | 20:57 |
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| jacekowski | no | 20:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | divan, ping | 20:58 |
| jacekowski | LuciusMare: sudo flasher-3.5 -F image -f | 20:59 |
| jacekowski | LuciusMare: and then | 20:59 |
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| jacekowski | LuciusMare: sudo flasher-3.5 -r emmc_image -f | 20:59 |
| jacekowski | LuciusMare: and then reboot | 20:59 |
| jacekowski | LuciusMare: in that specific order | 20:59 |
| LuciusMare | jacekowski: I see, thank you | 21:00 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 21:00 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:00 |
| jacekowski | and don't reboot in between | 21:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | infobot is a liar | 21:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~DocScrutinizer | 21:01 |
| infobot | hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 21:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~MohammadAG | 21:01 |
| infobot | well, mohammadag is your father | 21:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~ZogG | 21:01 |
| infobot | zogg is, like, a awesome guy | 21:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | haha | 21:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm awesome | 21:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | \o/ | 21:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | yay | 21:02 |
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| jacekowski | infobot: no zogg is not awesome at all | 21:04 |
| infobot | jacekowski: okay | 21:04 |
| LuciusMare | ~ZogG | 21:04 |
| infobot | rumour has it, zogg is not awesome at all | 21:04 |
| LuciusMare | :) | 21:04 |
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| sliri | good evening nice people | 21:06 |
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| sliri | the applications for maemo are so much better than s60 or android | 21:06 |
| sliri | because google searches actually yield results, not spam | 21:06 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jacekowski =( | 21:16 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ~jacekowski | 21:16 |
| infobot | well, jacekowski is a cat from red dwarf | 21:16 |
| Venemo | lol | 21:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, hey man | 21:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, do you mind to watch over my code and tell me what am i doing wrong? | 21:18 |
| Venemo | hello ZogG_laptop | 21:18 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: sure, what's wrong? | 21:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | trying to figure it out how to make a proper slot - signal thing | 21:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | lemme show | 21:19 |
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| Venemo | ok ZogG_laptop | 21:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | https://github.com/funkycode/fresh/blob/master/mainwindow.cpp | 21:20 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: can you wait some minutes? I'm in the middle of something | 21:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | sure | 21:22 |
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| piggz_ | quick question...in the latest cssu...autorotaion on some apps doesnt seem to work anymore....feedingit for example, and my own qt app no longer rotates. Is this known? | 21:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | piggz_ maybe they want to add the thing that checks if app supports autorotation before rotating? | 21:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | try asking at #maemo-ssu | 21:25 |
| piggz_ | k | 21:25 |
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| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/galaxy-indulge-microsdhc-card-regularly-reports-back-to-metropcs/ | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Happy consuming, people! | 21:28 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: looking at your code now | 21:34 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: what's wrong with the code? | 21:34 |
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| LuciusMare | Aww, dammit. http://pastebin.com/sMrJEMzx | 21:43 |
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| LuciusMare | What should I do now? | 21:45 |
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| LuciusMare | Please, does anybody have an idea? I am afraid to turn the phone off and try again | 21:50 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: so, what's the problem? | 21:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | it doesn't compile | 21:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | says connect thing is wrong | 21:52 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 21:52 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:52 |
| Venemo | I'll look into it | 21:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | connect(song_info_new, SIGNAL(get_song_info(QString)),song_info, SLOT(setTextLabel(QString))); | 21:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's one i use | 21:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | where song_info_new is new info i get from get_song_info and song_info is one i set in setTextLabel for the label | 21:53 |
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| LuciusMare | dammit, jacekowski told me I am supposed to flash the FIASCO image first, but http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php says I should have done the emmc first | 21:53 |
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| jacekowski | LuciusMare: do fiasco first | 21:54 |
| jacekowski | LuciusMare: and don't reboot | 21:54 |
| jacekowski | LuciusMare: doing emmc first leaves phonein mkii mode | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 21:55 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:56 |
| LuciusMare | jacekowski: that says to flash the emmc first as well | 21:56 |
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| jacekowski | LuciusMare: you can't flash emmc first | 21:56 |
| jacekowski | LuciusMare: it's just not going to work | 21:56 |
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| LuciusMare | I am confused, it's said everywhere to flash the emmc first | 21:57 |
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| jacekowski | ehh | 21:57 |
| jacekowski | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | is phone still on? | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | or not | 21:58 |
| LuciusMare | not, and stuck in a boot loop | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | ok | 21:58 |
| LuciusMare | or so it seems anyway | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | then you have to flash rootfs again | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | sudo flasher-3.5 -F image -f | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | and then sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | or whatever version you have | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | and then reboo | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | reboot | 21:59 |
| LuciusMare | ok | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | just by unplugging it or something | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | you can't brick n900 | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | you can just make it more complicated to recover | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | like for example having flat battery | 22:00 |
| LuciusMare | jacekowski: can't it still can charge the battery even if broken? | 22:01 |
| jacekowski | no | 22:01 |
| Venemo | okay ZogG_laptop :) | 22:01 |
| jacekowski | only if you get it very flat down to emergency charge | 22:01 |
| jacekowski | but then it's not going to fully charge it | 22:02 |
| jacekowski | that's why bootloops are bad | 22:02 |
| LuciusMare | I see | 22:02 |
| LuciusMare | well, both images flashed and n900 frozen | 22:02 |
| LuciusMare | I'll remove the battery and try to boot | 22:02 |
| jacekowski | unplug it | 22:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo i'm confused how to connect them so everytime song_info_new is updated the other is updated as well | 22:02 |
| jacekowski | and it should restart | 22:02 |
| LuciusMare | it is unplugged | 22:02 |
| jacekowski | then remove batter | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | y | 22:03 |
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| LuciusMare | Damn, still doing the same thing as before | 22:03 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: /home/Timur/Projects/maemo/fresh-build-maemo/../fresh/mainwindow.cpp:15: error: xmmsclient/xmmsclient.h: No such file or directory | 22:04 |
| LuciusMare | Turns on, nokia screen, switches to black, starts lightening up as it'd be charging, reboot, and frozen on the "marble loading screen" | 22:04 |
| LuciusMare | I'll try to flash it once again | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | marble loading screen? | 22:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | show me your log again | 22:04 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: what's this? | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | does it say that flashing went correctly | 22:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, do u try it in sdk? | 22:04 |
| LuciusMare | wait, it asks for a pin | 22:04 |
| LuciusMare | yep | 22:04 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: no, I'm running it from Qt Creator | 22:05 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: what libs does it need? | 22:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/libxmmsclient5_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_armel.deb this one | 22:05 |
| LuciusMare | jacekowski: woo, it seems to be working! | 22:05 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, unpack it fakesysroot | 22:05 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: is there also a -dev package? | 22:06 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, it doesn't really matter but yes =) | 22:06 |
| LuciusMare | jacekowski: and here we go, desktop... Thank you! | 22:06 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: link that too | 22:06 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: -dev packages have the headers usually ;) | 22:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/libxmmsclient-dev_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_armel.deb | 22:07 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, this is the same | 22:08 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: nevermind | 22:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/ | 22:08 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I see this one is -dev :P | 22:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, it's aesy to blame ah? cause i'll never punch back =((( | 22:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | jocking =) | 22:08 |
| sliri | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67079 hello, this is very exciting - a tracker / synthesizer for maemo | 22:09 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: okay, it also misses something called xmmsc | 22:10 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: my sysroot contains an /usr/include/xmms2 directory, but it doesn't have an xmmsc directory | 22:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait a bit | 22:11 |
| Venemo | okay ZogG_laptop | 22:12 |
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| * Venemo waves to MohammadAG too :) | 22:12 | |
| ZogG_laptop | mine does | 22:12 |
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| gter | hi | 22:13 |
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| gter | is it possible to run iphone apps in nokia | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | no | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | iPhone apps are for iPhones | 22:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/xmms2-dev_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_all.deb | 22:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | iphone apps sucks | 22:14 |
| sliri | ZogG_laptop: that is a client for the xmms2 player? | 22:14 |
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| ZogG_laptop | sliri, it should be oneday | 22:14 |
| gter | but ther eis no way to run it? because its Objc ? | 22:14 |
| gter | and nokia phones are symbian? | 22:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | sliri, y? | 22:15 |
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| sliri | gter: the application would need to be re-written for maemo | 22:15 |
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| wegtergergerhger | bah, my machine froze again | 22:16 |
| gter | sliri: well no i mean taking an iphone app and runningit on maemo | 22:16 |
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| gter | or any nokia | 22:16 |
| sliri | gter: forget it | 22:16 |
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| gter | ok | 22:16 |
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| gter | but those apps could be ported to maemo? | 22:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | infobot: wegtergergerhger is some random guy with really long nick name | 22:16 |
| infobot | ZogG_laptop: okay | 22:16 |
| Venemo | sorry ZogG_laptop, my machine froze | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | gter, first they have to be open source | 22:17 |
| gter | well the reason i ask is | 22:17 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: so, what other libs do I need? | 22:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | gter, can u take Y fuel type and use it in car with X type of fuel? | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | second, if they use the iOS API, "port" is easier said than done | 22:17 |
| gter | i saw a youtube vid of someone using iphone apps on a nokia 5800 | 22:17 |
| sliri | wow, someone made gnustep for maemo https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gnustep/ | 22:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/xmms2-dev_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_all.deb i think that would be it | 22:18 |
| sliri | my cell phone can be a NeXT :D | 22:18 |
| gter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwUb0uCzeL8 | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | gter, having an iphone theme is not running an iphone app | 22:18 |
| gter | not theme, apps | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | sure... | 22:18 |
| gter | if you check the video hes running iphone apps on a nokia 5800 | 22:19 |
| gter | how though? | 22:19 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I installed libxmmsclient5_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_armel.deb libxmmsclient-dev_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_armel.deb | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | the video is 404 | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | remote desktop? | 22:19 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: and it still doesn't find the include | 22:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/xmms2-dev_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_all.deb i think that would be it | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | and don't fall for stupid videos | 22:20 |
| compengi | i've tried to edit a link in the browser, i selected the whole text and hit backspace, then typed my own text there, if i click on enter, i see some other portions of the previous link remained in my text and/or my text has been tipped somewhere between the old text, and it happened not only in the browser. so i wonder if it's not a bug? | 22:20 |
| gter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwUb0UCzeL8 | 22:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo it is there for sure | 22:20 |
| gter | i mistyped the url before | 22:20 |
| sliri | gter: there are also videos of cars running on water | 22:21 |
| gter | im sure but isnt that guy running iphone apps there on a nokia? | 22:21 |
| Venemo | ok ZogG_laptop | 22:21 |
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| gter | or just a desktop with shortcuts? | 22:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, u have 3 debs? | 22:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | e-yes, long time no see | 22:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | e-yes, как житуха? =) | 22:21 |
| e-yes | работа, сплошная работа | 22:22 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok, I have them :) | 22:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | yay | 22:23 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: what exactly do you wish to achieve with that connect line? | 22:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, i need label to update as the song is changed | 22:24 |
| gter | ok | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | gter, you can't run iPhone apps without iOS | 22:24 |
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| MohammadAG | iOS only runs on iPhones | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | that's just gdesk, or sth similar | 22:24 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: you are trying to connect 2 QStrings here | 22:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, yes | 22:24 |
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| gter | MohammadAG: oh | 22:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, or it can be vieo fullscreened | 22:24 |
| gter | so he's not running an app per se | 22:24 |
| gter | figures | 22:25 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: you can't do that. | 22:25 |
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| gter | MohammadAG: thanks | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | now, Android apps, that's something else | 22:25 |
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| MohammadAG | google alien dalvik | 22:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo but i want =) | 22:25 |
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| gter | MohammadAG: those are for android | 22:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, than how do i do it? | 22:26 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: moment | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | yes, I know | 22:26 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, try to help me to learn/understand and not just solve it instead if you don't mind =)) | 22:27 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: yeah | 22:27 |
| gter | MohammadAG: interesting whats dalvik | 22:27 |
| gter | like a platform/ | 22:27 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: so tell me, how do you get notified when the song changes? | 22:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't | 22:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | when song is changed the song id is changed | 22:28 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: so how do you expect to get a Qt signal then? | 22:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | or info i get is changed | 22:28 |
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| BluesLee | good evening | 22:29 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: hmmm | 22:29 |
| gter | thakns | 22:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i thought it can monitor the certain QString and when it changed it would apply it | 22:29 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: where is the code that changes the QString? | 22:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | get_song_info | 22:30 |
| BluesLee | do i need to uninstall some apps before using cssu? | 22:30 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: and where is the code that calls it? | 22:30 |
| BluesLee | which one are critical? | 22:30 |
| compengi | anyone had something similar? | 22:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, what do u mean? | 22:31 |
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| RST38h | <YAWN> | 22:33 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: so, in order for the signals and slots mechanism | 22:35 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: there must be some code that actually emits the signal | 22:35 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: and the connected slot can respond to that | 22:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | the get_song_info get's different result as the song is changed | 22:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | can't we just monitor that? | 22:37 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: you could monitor it in every second, but then that'd be inefficient | 22:37 |
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| ZogG_laptop | true | 22:39 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: doesn't the underlying library notify you somehow when it changes? | 22:39 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: eg. can you request a callback? | 22:39 |
| sliri | myriad has leaked that they are working on native library support for alien dalvik | 22:39 |
| sliri | 'o/ | 22:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, i think i can, but i dunno how | 22:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, trying to watch over code of other client | 22:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | but it's in c++ and i don't realy understand all of it | 22:40 |
| sliri | i would like to work for myriad | 22:40 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, i think i found a solution | 22:41 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: can you gimme an API reference of this stuff? | 22:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, it's pure reference | 22:41 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: an API reference is a web page where the details of an API are described | 22:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/xmms2-tutorial/tree/c/ - use this | 22:42 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: xmmsc_result_notifier_set seems to be the one | 22:44 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: can you tell me what the purpose of this app is? | 22:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | xmms2 client | 22:45 |
| Venemo | what is xmms2? | 22:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | music player/server | 22:45 |
| sliri | you are new to linux Venemo :) | 22:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | first of i want it to control xms2 on phone but next step is to control it on computer as well | 22:46 |
| Venemo | sliri: yeah, I'm new :) | 22:46 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: why don't you use mafw | 22:46 |
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| sliri | i think maybe with dremel tool we can put a BP-4L in a n900 | 22:49 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I also recommend 1) If there is a C++ binding, use that 2) if there is not, make a separate class for this | 22:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | 1) i don't know no C no C++, but i find myself more comfy using C, and getting lost in C++ very quick 2) i dunno how =) | 22:53 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok, I'll help you | 22:53 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: here I found an example | 22:55 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/xmms2-tutorial/tree/c++/tut6.cc | 22:55 |
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| sliri | or even the 3600mAh 2xBP4l :) http://www.mugenpowerbatteries.info/epages/es109514.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es109514_es120302495377/Products/HLI-E61iXL | 22:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo trying to rewrite it to c++ now | 22:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, the main thing | 22:56 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, yes? | 22:58 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, the example I linked shows the stuff quite nicely | 22:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmm i think there is some dependy on using c++ bindings i don't have | 22:59 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: if you begin with the first one, that should be good enough | 22:59 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: also, if you're going to develop in Qt, get yourself familiar with at least the basic concepts of OOP and C++ | 23:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | trying to =) | 23:01 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: if you have a question, just ping me :) | 23:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | i do | 23:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | do u know what can be #include <boost/signal.hpp> -< boost in here? | 23:02 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: omg... | 23:03 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: you don't want to get to boost and qt at the same time | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's just needed for C++ bindings | 23:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | or this or stick to C | 23:04 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: well stay with the c tutorial then | 23:04 |
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| ZogG_laptop | why? | 23:04 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: you don't want to get to boost and qt at the same time | 23:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | what's so bad about it? | 23:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | you mean to mix them? | 23:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | or you mean it would be hard for me to learn? | 23:05 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: if you're new to both C++ and Qt, then you don't want to learn a 3rd thing too | 23:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | do i have a choice =) | 23:05 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, yes, use the C bindings | 23:05 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I can put together the base for you if you tell me what I need on my N900 to run this | 23:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have base and it works | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mena i have control buttons | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just need to get that label changed | 23:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and still no clue to get the signal | 23:07 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: so, tell me please what packages do I need to run on N900 | 23:07 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I already installed the lib, but it needs some daemon | 23:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | add delete it | 23:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | delete it | 23:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | use optified one | 23:09 |
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| Venemo | ok ZogG_laptop, gimme the correct libs please | 23:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | optified repo: deb https://repo.codemages.net/ opt/ | 23:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | add this repo and install xmms2 xmms2-plugin-mpg123 | 23:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | than from terminal run xmms2-launcher | 23:09 |
| Venemo | omg | 23:09 |
| Venemo | I'm not sure I wanna | 23:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | u asked =) | 23:10 |
| Venemo | :P | 23:10 |
| Venemo | yeah, but this way I can't test da code | 23:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, waaaait | 23:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think i have good news | 23:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | ruskie, hey | 23:11 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I'm sure you can set it all up with the xmmsc_result_notifier_set function | 23:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | no i don't | 23:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | we still need boost =) | 23:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | devs just deleted part of it | 23:12 |
| Venemo | what? | 23:12 |
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| Venemo | you give xmmsc_result_notifier_set a function pointer and it will notify you :) | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's not in tutorial right? | 23:13 |
| Venemo | it is | 23:13 |
| Venemo | I also linked it | 23:13 |
| Venemo | [21:55] <Venemo> ZogG_laptop: http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/xmms2-tutorial/tree/c++/tut6.cc | 23:13 |
| Venemo | oh no | 23:14 |
| Venemo | this is cpp | 23:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | yes, that's what i said | 23:14 |
| Venemo | http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/xmms2-tutorial/tree/c/tut6.c | 23:14 |
| Venemo | this is the C | 23:14 |
| Venemo | it uses glib too, but just ignore that | 23:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 23:14 |
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| sliri | http://xmms2.org/wiki/Clientlist | 23:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo how do i ignore that? | 23:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | i need glib to make it work | 23:20 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: you can have glib if you wanna | 23:21 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: what's the purpose of xmms2 | 23:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | to listen to music? | 23:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | to learn little bit C, Qt | 23:23 |
| Venemo | to listen to music, go to the app menu and start media player? | 23:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i want xmms2 as well i want to set control of media server from phone | 23:24 |
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| Venemo | mhmm | 23:26 |
| Venemo | okay then | 23:26 |
| Venemo | if I were you, I would use the function I told you about :) | 23:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | trying to get to it | 23:27 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, as i understand it uses glib for that thing | 23:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, would be right for me to use glib in Qt app? | 23:35 |
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| puchaty | what is better : fcam or blessn900? | 23:42 |
| kerio | fcam | 23:43 |
| kerio | there's just no contest | 23:43 |
| puchaty | fcam will be better for taking party pictures?:P (Dark, drunk etc.. :P) | 23:43 |
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| dominikb | on maemo5, how can i programmatically find out if the device is idle (i.e. no user interaction for a certain period of time)? | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fcam *probably* does same as blessn900, just bless is closed while fcam is open and usually after short while you get kernel drivers for recent kernel, while blessn900 I dunno if it works at all with PR1.3. For sure it will get hard to get drivers e.g for powerkernel | 23:46 |
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| puchaty | thanks for explain | 23:46 |
| puchaty | will use fcamera | 23:46 |
| puchaty | ;) | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nota bene you need to install fcam *after* switching kernel, to get the right driver version. If you change kernel, you need to un- and re-install fcam and all related apps | 23:48 |
| puchaty | yes i know that ;) | 23:49 |
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| puchaty | also: anyone got script for external ip (gprs/wifi) for desktop command execution widget? | 23:53 |
| puchaty | when i try run widget and in settings set "external ip" | 23:53 |
| puchaty | widget shows me "invalid command" | 23:53 |
| puchaty | i was using homeip widget | 23:54 |
| puchaty | but it suddenly disappear | 23:54 |
| puchaty | and reinstalling doesnt work at all | 23:54 |
| sliri | this can run desktop applications from network? | 23:55 |
| puchaty | i dont know.. i just want to know why this is not working ;) | 23:56 |
| puchaty | http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_Command_Execution_Widget_scripts | 23:56 |
| puchaty | okay | 23:57 |
| puchaty | got it from wiki site | 23:57 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, still around? | 23:57 |
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| flexxxv | Hey, is flashlight still draining the battery? (I mean when the light is of) | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, dunno about external IP. I got a homegrown script exploiting STUN for this | 23:59 |
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