IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-03-02

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DocScrutinizeranyway tell me when it learned to display current playlist, and to list videos as textlist with full title rather than thumbnails of random scenes out of the video00:24
DocScrutinizerI'm eager to give it a real test00:24
DocScrutinizeruh, and search of course00:25
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DocScrutinizerpreferrably file hirarchy view00:25
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DocScrutinizerI'm quite capable of moving my mp3 to the right subdirectory, and I don't want to lose that info introduced by that sorting work00:27
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MohammadAGif only someone with gstreamer skills could modify mafw-gst-renderer to include gapless playback00:28
MohammadAGI'll try to work on the mediaplayer in the morning00:28
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CorsacMohammadAG: that'd be really sweet yes00:31
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DocScrutinizergapless mafw-gst-renderer(whatever that is) isn't a patch or tweak, but a mayor redesign, for all I know00:36
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it's a patch00:37
DocScrutinizeraiui the whole concept of gstreamer is basing on one pipe setup per file to playback00:37
MohammadAGNokia's using playbin200:37
MohammadAGin mafw00:37
MohammadAGplaybin2 somehow supports gapless playback00:37
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MohammadAGso we need to listen to the about-to-finish signal and pass the next item to the sink00:37
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MohammadAGnext item would be currentItem()+1 from the currently assigned playlist00:39
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DocScrutinizerif it wasn't *that* boring to me, I'd check the PIDs of all the processes involved in playback of a song, then see if they change for next song, I.E. if any of those processes terminates when the current song is finished00:42
DocScrutinizerobviously starting a new process means there's a massive obstacle for clickfree gapless00:42
MohammadAGand a massive laziness while coding00:43
MohammadAGideally, mafw should use one sink for all00:43
MohammadAGwell, a sink for audio and a sink for video00:43
DocScrutinizeryeah, but that's not what the gstreamer concept looks alike, for all I've seen about it00:44
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DocScrutinizeractually htop with [x]show threads, [x]different color for threads, F5(tree) is rather nice to watch abominations like 1 main and 7 hidden threads for PA, while NOT playing any audio01:05
DocScrutinizerwell /usr/sbin/browserd -s 3327 -n RTComMessagingS isn't any better :-D, 1 main and 6 hidden, /usr/sbin/browserd -d even 2 visible childs and sigma 12 child threads01:09
jacekowskithese are pthreads01:09
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jacekowskiotherwise called light treads01:09
internetishardcan anyone get to work on their n900?01:09
jacekowskinot anything to be too worried about01:09
jacekowskipa itself is a problem01:10
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DocScrutinizerwell, actually pthreads aren't especially greedy or hogging01:11
DocScrutinizeranyway, just interesting, and if I could be arsed to lift it and move it over to N900 to playback some songs via mediaplayer, this htop display would probably tell us some interesting story01:12
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DocScrutinizerwell, /usr/bin/mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-renderer 10..14% CPU,  /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority 19..25%01:17
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DocScrutinizerall threads together it's more like 14..19% and 25..35%01:24
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DocScrutinizer@250Mhz (95.8%) though01:27
_0x47anyone here who could give me a hint on SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE?01:27
_0x47!rape DocScrutinizer01:28
_0x47~rape DocScrutinizer01:28
* infobot takes DocScrutinizer behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams01:28
_0x47well nn then01:29
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Spydemonhello all ;-)01:31
Spydemonis Maemo only use by the N900 smartphone ?01:31
DocScrutinizerit's also used by N8x0 tablets01:32
DocScrutinizerwhich aren't exactly smartphones01:32
DocScrutinizeran older version of maemo though01:32
Spydemonok i don't know this tablets ^^01:33
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I was saucy to ignore 770 :-P01:35
DocScrutinizeras I'm not even sure if those ran maemo X-D01:35
* SpeedEvil ponders lullage.01:36
DocScrutinizerWikipedia does not have an article with this exact name  -  MEH01:36
VenemoDocScrutinizer: yes, 770 ran Maemo01:39
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DocScrutinizerthought it's been SCO unix or sth ;-P01:40
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Spydemoni'm interested in the N900 buying, principally for Maemo, but i have understand that his developpement is more and more slower01:41
Spydemonit's the same about his community ? ^^01:42
javispedrobs, he's growing moustache every day01:42
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DocScrutinizerSpydemon: it's not getting slower, it matures01:44
javispedroseems that our little friend abill_uk got tired of pestering in the omap "swap in upgrade" thread and now wants wp7 on his non-upgraded n900.01:44
SpeedEvilswap in upgrade?01:45
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SpeedEvilOh - upgrading the omap?01:45
SpeedEvilYou can in principle upgrade to the faster speed grade of the current processor.01:45
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SpeedEvilBut I really doubt the 36 would be pin compatibl01:45
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DocScrutinizerwith a pile of 3 512MB POPs01:46
javispedrooh, come to think of it01:46
javispedrothere's actually a newer speed grade of the current processor -- the omap344001:46
* javispedro checks01:46
javispedrowikipedia says 800Mhz01:47
SpeedEviloh - 80001:47
* DocScrutinizer cackles01:47
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DocScrutinizerow if it turned out new N900 are equipped with 3440 just for the availability of chips, that'd be news01:49
DocScrutinizeralas I think there are no new N90001:49
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SpeedEvilIt's called the n950 :)01:49
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javispedroI want my omap5!01:51
javispedro4 ARM cores, dual-channel DDR301:51
SpeedEvilAssymetric multicore would be realy interesting.01:53
jacekowskiwell, omap is pretty much that01:53
SpeedEvilI mean assumetric multicore, with them binary compatible.01:53
SpeedEvilSay a core tuned for low power.01:53
SpydemonI'll certainly buy a N900 soon, so i would may be join you in the Maemo community :-)01:53
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jacekowskiSpydemon: it's dying community01:54
SpeedEvilOr with soft instructions that gcc doesn't use.01:54
DocScrutinizercould we change that "don't use /usr/share/applications/hildon" ticket to a comprehensive "fix your .desktop sh*t, Nokia!"? Comment: Don't use hildon subdir, don't use version=57.1337 as 1.0 is the only valid value, don't use name=tana_fi_foo_bar_micmacmucx style getttext.po shit in .desktop and stick to freedesktop L10n01:54
jacekowskiSpydemon: wait until everything clarifies01:54
* divan going to buy second N900 )01:54
jacekowskiSpydemon: like for example n950 is release01:54
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: woot?01:55
jacekowskii'm pretty sure normal l10n was working as well01:55
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: one cmd to explain it all: less /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop01:56
Spydemonjacekowski, N950 seems to look uglier than N900 :-(01:57
divanSpydemon, nobody saw N950.01:57
Spydemonso pictures on Internet are fake, okok01:58
divanThe photos in internet articles are author's assumptions based on some Nokia leakes prototype pictures.01:58
jacekowskiSpydemon: n900 is not manufactured anymore01:58
jacekowskiSpydemon: not supported01:58
infobotdivan meant: The photos in internet articles are author's assumptions based on some Nokia leaked prototype pictures.01:58
jacekowskiSpydemon: and without nokia support platform will die in couple months01:59
Spydemonjacekowski, it's sade.. :-(02:00
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: that's not entirely correct. You still get same amount of support you got a year ago, hell you even get a newer OS, and for sure you still can buy unused "new" N90002:00
divanSpydemon, it will not die. I don't agree with jacekowski.02:00
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* DocScrutinizer neither02:01
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DocScrutinizerSpydemon: just make absolutely clear on your expectations. Don't buy the device for what it might (or most likely will not) become eventually - check if it meets your needs today02:02
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jacekowskinokia maps02:03
DocScrutinizerdon't hope for a bright future if the present isn't what you like02:03
jacekowskifuture will be only darker02:03
Spydemonmy phone broke down last week and and i was interested by the N900. So it's a good idea or not ? I didn't have the time to wait until N950 come out :x02:04
DocScrutinizernot exactly much darker, but for sure not much brighter either02:04
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Spydemoni need a regular smartphone02:04
DocScrutinizerIf I hadn't already two of them, I'd buy another N900 tomorrow. Hell, I might do anyway02:04
SpeedEvilIf I was in themarket for a new phone, the only one that would suit me is then900.02:04
Spydemonnot more, not less02:04
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SpeedEvilThe n900 does not have any fart apps.02:05
DocScrutinizerN900 is all but a regular smartphone02:05
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DocScrutinizerit's more like the smallest 600MHz laptop with a cheesy phone built in02:06
DocScrutinizerif you're in for a "regular smartphone" then get an iPhone or andridiot device02:07
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DocScrutinizerduh, timeless_w7ip  using a wp7 iphone?02:10
SpydemonSpeedEvil, i know, N900 is the only phone that i know which work with an open source platform. And i'm able to make myself lot of software "for computer". So i hope that i will able to make some apps out for him02:10
DocScrutinizerso you're using linux on your "computer"?02:11
SpydemonDocScrutinizer, yes02:11
DocScrutinizerso you'll probably love N90002:12
Spydemonif you know ^^02:12
javispedroDocScrutinizer: my guess: "windows 7 IdeaPad"02:12
javispedroaka the lenovo table02:12
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Spydemoni hope the SDK is good x)02:13
javispedrowhat sdk02:13
DocScrutinizermaemo sdk02:13
javispedrothey just point you to gcc! that should be enough!02:13
Spydemonyes maemo sdk for n90002:13
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DocScrutinizermaemo is pretty much a standard linux as far as it's about app development02:15
DocScrutinizerX, bash, gcc, all you're used to. Of course you need some crosscompiling setup which is usually scratchbox for maemo02:16
KaffeeJunky123does scratchbox support custom paths for it's chroot environment?02:18
KaffeeJunky123because it took to much space on my root partition, I tend to keep that small and throw all kind of stuff in /home and /opt wich are on different partitions02:18
DocScrutinizerthe rest is about Qt and some special libs for special mobile phone things:
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javispedro/scratchbox can also be a mount point02:19
SpydemonDocScrutinizer, yes but it exist a library specific for the N900 for catching key press or, for use the vibrator for exemple, aren't ?02:19
javispedrono because key presses come the standard way, and no because the vibrator can't be used by apps =)02:19
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Spydemonwith Maemo we can't use the phone's vibrator ??02:20
DocScrutinizercatching keys is done like on every linux system, usually via X. Vibrator there's a process called mce that controlls it, you talk to mce via dbus to make vibrator start02:20
Spydemonokok :-)02:21
jonwilYou can definatly use the vibrator, look in the mce-dev package to see the right dbus calls to make02:22
javispedrothat's hardly use -- you're talking about patterns et all?02:22
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DocScrutinizerwell, you are free to directly access /sys/vib/brightness, but that will probably only work for short clicks as mce will shut it off again02:23
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DocScrutinizererrr wut?02:24
javispedroDocScrutinizer: exactly02:24
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DocScrutinizerundocumented feature via dbus or what?02:24
javispedro(this is one of the usecases I've added to the mce bug report.... Linux has a quite nice API for vibrators. The MCE one isn't)02:25
jonwilMCE_START_MANUAL_VIBRATION is documented in the mce-dev package02:25
DocScrutinizerjonwil: what is it?02:26
jonwilread the mce-dev header to see what it is :)02:26
DocScrutinizertell me the cmdline you used to verify it works on maemo502:27
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Spydemonthank for your answers. I'll go to bed now. It's late in France :-P02:27
Spydemonbye all, i'll see you soon ;-)02:27
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Spydemonthanks ;-)02:28
jonwilI havent tested it but its definatly present in the Maemo5 vibrator code02:28
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/mce/request int32:255 int32:150002:30
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DocScrutinizerError org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "req_start_manual_vibration" with signature "ii" on interface "" doesn't exist02:30
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javispedrothere you have.02:31
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Sujithhi guys02:31
Sujithi am having a settings doubt on N900,,,02:31
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Sujithany one pls help me on it02:31
Sujithi need help on activating gprs settings02:32
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Sujithcan anyone tell me how to find destinations option under connectivity menu02:32
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Sujithbecause i need to set up free mobile web from my mobile provider02:33
Sujithdo u know about it doc?02:33
Sujithbcoz i am surfing thru the net for days to find it02:33
Sujithpls help me wit it02:34
DocScrutinizerI thought I know how to set up GPRS, but I don't understand your problem (yet?)02:34
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DocScrutinizerplease report the steps you took02:34
SujithNokia n 900 go to Menu and then to the settings> Connectivity> Destinations> New AN type Pocket internet Account name: lycamobile Access Point Name: user name : lmuk password : plus Authentication type: normal proxy: no proxy address: proxy port: home page:
DocScrutinizerI'll holler as soon as something isn't correct02:34
Sujiththats the settings that i have to input on my mobile,,02:35
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Sujithbut i am struck after getting through settings and connectivity,,i could not find destinations,,02:35
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: vibrator thing works on mine :P (PR1.3?)02:35
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Sujithcan u understand me now, mr.doc02:36
DocScrutinizerSujith: trying to duplicate your steps02:36
* javispedro ponders if I could map the simpler effects on top of this dbus api02:37
Sujithok sure,,02:37
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jonwil bah, the MCE vibrator plugin is too complex to reverse engineer :( And there is no vibrator code in the MeeGo MCE tree to study :(02:37
Sujithtry finding the destination option under your connectivity ,,,02:37
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DocScrutinizersettings, internetconections, (menu with "automatic" "interval 10min" "[x] connect WLAN if available" shows) -> click "connections"02:38
javispedrojonwil: but... why??? I do not think what it does is a secret, it's just missing someone with time to code it.02:39
jonwilIts doing more than just simple vibrator activation02:39
javispedropatterns, and ... ?02:39
Sujithya,,,i just done what you have said,,02:39
DocScrutinizerSujith: from the list of connections select the one with two arrows in a white circle02:39
DocScrutinizerif there's none, select "new" and GPRS02:40
Sujithyeah,,i did it ,,i selected the one you told02:40
Sujithdo i have to edit it or press done ?02:40
DocScrutinizerselect "edit"02:40
Sujithnext step ?02:40
DocScrutinizerConnection name: "jadhjahjökh  " connection type: packet data shows02:41
DocScrutinizerchose a nice name for your GPRS connection02:41
Sujithyeah ,,done that too02:41
Sujithi think my name would be very nice02:41
DocScrutinizerclick "continue"02:41
DocScrutinizerenter APN name, username, password, as you got told by your carrier/provider02:42
Sujithyeah,,,everything so far done as mentioned by my provider,02:42
DocScrutinizerquite frequently username and password are empty, or both are "internet" or sth like that02:43
Sujithdo i have to go to advanced settings02:43
Sujithor just press finish02:43
DocScrutinizerusually not. should just work02:43
Sujithsure,,will give a try02:43
DocScrutinizerpress finish and test it02:43
Sujithshould i allow data roaming or not?02:44
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DocScrutinizererr, where's that choice?02:44
Sujithwhen i just selected the connection,,it is asking for '' allow data roaming '' yes or no02:45
Sujithi have to proceed this step to get connected,i think02:45
DocScrutinizerheh, so you're not in your SIM card's home network02:46
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DocScrutinizerdata roaming usually is A) expensive and/or B) doesn't work at all02:46
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Sujithno no,,,i am in the limits of the provider,,02:47
Sujithyeah,,i did it,,,02:48
Sujithits connected,,,02:48
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Sujiththanks a lot for your help mr.doc,,,02:48
DocScrutinizerin settings - phone  you can select network ( "auto", "manual") On "manual" you can forbid roaming, so data wouldn't roam either02:48
Sujithi am very glad that i got helped by this forum,,thanx a lot to this forum,,02:49
KaffeeJunky123this is an IRC02:50
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Sujithcan i install new themes to my mobile,,02:50
Sujithand my phone is quite slow,,,02:50
Sujithis there any way i can make it fast,,02:50
DocScrutinizerdon't start too many apps at once02:51
Sujithslow in the sense,,,while closing applications,02:51
Sujithoh ,,,thats right,,i do start too many apps,,,i should avoid it,,thanx02:51
DocScrutinizeresp don't keep browser open02:51
Sujithone more thing is that,,i tried to install Sleep Analyser application02:52
Sujithi could just download it,,,but while installation,,it says some files missing02:52
Sujithand i couldnt continue installation02:52
DocScrutinizerit's a hoax, and I never tried it. So sorry can't help02:52
Sujithoh its ok ,,,no probs,,02:52
Sujithi just installed a theme,,02:53
Sujithand i dont know where it got installed02:53
DocScrutinizersettings - themes02:53
Sujithoh yeah,,i got it,,thanx again,,02:53
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DocScrutinizertime for 12648430   ☕02:54
Sujithi am getting 10 mb free everyday,,02:54
DocScrutinizershould suffice for basics02:55
Sujithusually a web page is just 10 kb,,is that ri802:55
Sujithoh ok ok,,02:55
DocScrutinizersome are incredibly huge just for the shiny shit02:55
Sujithhehehe,,thats right too02:55
Sujithby the way,,are you a forum member,,,or just a guest like me,,02:56
Sujithbecause u seem to know almost everything,mr.doc02:56
DocScrutinizeryou can check data volume used, in xterm: ifconfig02:56
DocScrutinizerwe are al just guests here02:56
Sujithoh thats fantastic,,02:57
Sujithhow to check the data i used,,02:57
Sujithif i type ifconfig in xterminal it says not found02:57
DocScrutinizeryou got rootsh installed?02:57
Sujithno,,i dont think so,,02:57
DocScrutinizerinstall rootsh, in xterm type 'root'02:57
Sujithi have just installed many silly games,,can you tell me how to remove it,,,02:58
DocScrutinizerthe ifconfig works -take care, you're root then02:58
DocScrutinizersame way you installed them02:58
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Sujithoh ok,,so application manager does that trick,,i am clear..thanks again02:59
DocScrutinizerstart app manager, left of the 3 choices is "installed apps"02:59
Sujithbut,,the root u guided me to install doesnt work02:59
Sujithit again say not found ,,,02:59
DocScrutinizerin appmanager install package "rootsh"02:59
DocScrutinizerthen maybe reboot (dunno if that's needed)03:00
DocScrutinizerthen in xterm type root03:00
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Sujithi cant find rootsh in app.manager03:00
Sujithi hav only few apps  left to install03:01
DocScrutinizeryou need extras catalog03:01
DocScrutinizerand you need an update if extras isn't enabled by default03:01
Sujithyeah,,i dont have extras..03:01
DocScrutinizerwhat's your system version? (settings - about product)03:02
Sujithcool,,i ll search now and give you03:02
DocScrutinizeror productinfo03:02
SujithVersion : 10.201003:03
DocScrutinizermore please03:03
Sujiththats the thing,,,03:03
DocScrutinizerthat's PR1.203:03
Sujithwhat does that mean,,03:04
DocScrutinizershould be fine, dunno why your extras repo is disabled03:04
DocScrutinizerPR1.3 is recent version03:04
DocScrutinizerI'm on PR1.2 as well here03:04
Sujithcan i update to the latest version03:04
DocScrutinizeryou probably should do that03:04
Sujithhow could i do that,,,mr.doc..03:05
DocScrutinizerappmanager, updates, maemo-bla-bla system update03:05
nox-better do that on wifi tho i guess... :)03:05
DocScrutinizeryou'll want to uninstall all that games crap prior to that, so it has enough free space03:06
DocScrutinizeryes, definitely not a good idea to run update over GPRS03:06
Sujithits pretty slow,,03:06
DocScrutinizeranyway, for now you could just enable extras catalog, and install rootsh03:06
Sujithand as u said,,i hav a lot of crap games03:06
Sujithand i should remove those,,03:07
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Sujithis ther any better things to do with N900 ?03:08
Sujithany tips to keep the phone last long time ?03:09
lcukdon't play n900fly.03:09
DocScrutinizer51take care about your USB, or it will break and destroy the phone03:09
nox-disconnect from network when not in use, dont keep unneeded apps running, etc03:10
Sujithsorry i heard your warning aa bit late,,03:10
Sujithi broke the USB plate03:10
Sujithand i am struggling,,03:10
Sujithis ther any way i can sort it out,,03:10
lcukplay angry birds03:10
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Sujithdoc,, are you there,,03:11
Sujithis there anyone ,,who could help me,, because my USB plate is broken in my N90003:13
Sujithcan anyone help me with a suggestion03:13
jonwilIf its broken, you will probably need to take it to Nokia to get it fixed03:13
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jonwilor send it to Nokia if there is no Nokia Care facility in your area03:14
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lcukSujith, you came into channel about half an hour ago asking about gprs03:14
Sujithbut i bought bak in india,,and the warranty is limited in india only,,,03:14
Sujithand now i am in UK now,,03:15
lcuknot about your usb (which I would guess would take priority)03:15
lcukhow come you only mention usb after doc brought it up?03:15
Sujithsorry lcuk,,i couldnt get you03:15
lcukwell talking about games and connections and stuff03:15
lcukare assuming your device happily charges03:16
Sujithcan u help me with that broken USB stick03:16
lcukif my usb were broken and did not charge, i would not be messing with games03:16
lcukSujith, jonwil just answered03:16
lcukthe only answer there is03:16
Sujithi have a limited warranty problem too03:17
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Sujiththat i can repair back in india where i bought,,, but onw in UK03:17
lcukso what is up with your usb03:17
lcukwhat symptoms do you have03:17
Sujithi couldnt do anything with the USB03:17
Sujitheither charging or data transfer,,03:17
lcuklike what?03:18
lcukdid it ever work?03:18
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Sujithit never worked for two months,,because i was bit playful wit the USB stick,,plugging and unplugging often03:18
Sujithso it got broken03:18
lcukwell then go and be playful with the repair people03:19
Sujithdo you know will it work if i just replace the USB plate in a local shop03:20
Sujithand will the replacement last long03:20
jonwilIf you can find someone who can fix it with the right part, it should work03:20
lcukI can consult my crystal ball for you if you like.03:20
jonwilbut you will loose any warranty you have03:20
jonwilHow long the replacement lasts depends on how rough you are with it03:20
jonwiland how good the replacment part is03:20
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Sujithoh thaks jonwil,,,03:21
Sujiththanx 4 d info guys,,,,03:21
Sujiththis forum really helped a lot,,,thanx to the organiser and maemo support,,,03:22
Sujithi appreciate that,,03:22
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DocScrutinizermeh, he's gone03:53
DocScrutinizerwas about to suggest
ptlthere WILL BE a n95003:55
ptlnokia announced03:55
ptlwith Meego, of course03:55
ptlvery nice03:55
DocScrutinizer[citation needed]03:55
jonwilAt this point, nothing short of a device I can buy is going to make any real difference :P03:56
javispedrothey're talking about this year's "meego" device that elop mentioned half a month ago03:56
ptlCTO Rich Green said that during the Nokia Developer Day03:56
javispedroat MWC. I was there.....03:56
DocScrutinizerI guess that has been more in the past than just yesterday - so it's obsolete, forget it03:57
javispedrowell elop mentioned it post elopcalypse03:57
javispedrothe "n950" name, and even it being a phone is just the press adding their crap and speculatino over the facts.03:58
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DocScrutinizereeeeew "interesting UI" - I feel sick03:59
jonwilI think a sequal to the N900 would be a very popular device amongst geeks03:59
jonwilOne with better hardware and running MeeGo04:00
pupnikjonwil: say it's basically identical to n900 but with 1ghz cpu, ~512MB ram, slightly better display and keyboard -- what pricepoint do you think would sell well?04:01
jonwilno idea04:02
pupnik700 euro / usd?04:02
ptlanyway I'd buy it.04:02
DocScrutinizerc-ts, who's holding the bet?04:03
DocScrutinizershitty crappy c-ts04:03
javispedro7000 euro04:03
javispedroit will come with a gold chassis and a free wp7 device.04:04
javispedroor two.04:04
DocScrutinizerok, javispedro 7000 on non-c04:04
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javispedrowell I didn't actually want to hold that bet, but will be happy to pay you 7000 Bison dollars if it is non capacitive =)04:05
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DocScrutinizerbison dollars 8-o04:05
javispedroaka  0% chance it is anything other than a lame capacitive screen.04:06
DocScrutinizerbizarre dollons?04:06
pupnikit appears to me that capacitive is better for scrolling things04:07
jonwilI think the N900 touchscreen is good04:07
jonwilI like it04:07
jonwilI still perffer physical keyboard for typing stuff though04:07
pupnikit only takes me a couple of minutes to adapt to n900 screen from capacitive04:07
pupnikplus n900 works with gloves and stylii04:08
DocScrutinizerstantum FTW, screw capacitive04:08
DocScrutinizerpupnik: ...and fingernails!04:09
pupnikthe resistive seems to be more power-user to me04:09
DocScrutinizeronly use of a capacitive is to sacrifice half of screen for a touchpad function to move a mouse cursor in the other half04:10
DocScrutinizerbut then I'd prefer to have that touchpad on the read of device04:11
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javispedrojonwil: btw, read that the vibra thing does work?04:13
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javispedroI think I will be able to map the simplest of the SDL effects into that...04:14
javispedro(aka 1 CONSTANT)04:14
DocScrutinizermd5sum /sbin/mce04:14
javispedroDocScrutinizer: you're on PR1.2?04:14
javispedroDocScrutinizer: can you dpkg -l mce04:15
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# mce --version04:15
DocScrutinizermce v1.8.11804:15
javispedro@since v1.8.18 :P04:15
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DocScrutinizererrr, now is .18 > .118 or what?04:16
javispedrobut I have 1.8.12604:16
DocScrutinizerfriggin PR1.304:16
javispedrodammit I wish I had more free time..04:17
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jonwilwhats wrong with PR1.3?04:18
DocScrutinizerwhat's wrong with PR1.2! It doesn't restore anymore, as they managed to screw the repos (testing, devel)04:19
DocScrutinizerso I'm simply refusing to find out what's wrong with PR1.3, as PR1.2 just works for me04:20
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DocScrutinizerand odds are I get a phone with fashinable new PR1.3 that's borked for daily phone usage to my metrics04:21
javispedrowhat was your gripe there?04:22
DocScrutinizermissing downgrade/restore04:22
* javispedro calls it a day04:24
DocScrutinizerAnd I wasn't able to find the moment with the mood to test backupmenu full image restore04:24
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: backup app is useless if you got any apps installed from testing and/or devel, on PR1.204:28
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DocScrutinizerfor example alarmed, it nags me every day with an update that's not installable on PR1.2, so if I ever decide I want to go back from PR1.3 to PR1.2 I'd definitely lose that app04:30
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DocScrutinizerthey damn had to either fork the test and devel repo as they did with extras, or promote all apps from test/devel to extras-1.2 prior to rollout of the incompatible PR1.3 libs04:33
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DocScrutinizernota bene I'm not asking for updates of 1.2-devel apps, I just want a way to restore a 1.2 system the way it's supposed to work04:34
DocScrutinizerbut Nokia, in their eternal wisdom, decided on pr1.2 users using testing / devel apps aren't worth a restore option any more, when they rolled out PR1.304:36
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: you know what would be a good product?  powerline-networking security cameras04:39
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pupnikthey're just not on the market04:39
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DocScrutinizeryeah, strange04:39
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DocScrutinizerjust that crap you can eavesdrop with a babyphone04:40
DocScrutinizeror WLAN based IP cam, but no PL04:41
pupnikbnc / cctv type, wlan, ethneret04:41
DocScrutinizerPL-AP wallwarts also seem quite handy04:42
pupnikseems like a 'no-brainer' to make security-cam wallwarts04:45
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infobot:), DocScrutinizer04:50
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GeneralAntillesI ordered a Nookcolor.04:52
GeneralAntillesThat's wrong on several levels.04:52
DocScrutinizerwhat's that? a colored tire?04:52
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer: I hope not.04:53
GeneralAntillesConsidering I just dumped $200 on it.04:53
pupnikthat's not expensive04:53
DocScrutinizermeh, my car's tires were way more expensive04:53
GeneralAntillesPer tire?04:53
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GeneralAntillesNice car.04:54
GeneralAntillesWhat're you driving?04:54
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pupnikok that's expensive04:55
DocScrutinizery I think04:55
pupnikwhen i was a kid 'h' was already high end :)04:55
nox-oh an android tablet...04:56
DocScrutinizerwell, got rid of that car. A pity but I found no oilfield in my garden... :-/04:57
DocScrutinizerin case you wonder: kinda like that one
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DocScrutinizerOMFG what an URL04:59
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer: ah, fun indeed.05:03
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jonwilbah, GERMAN? :P05:07
DocScrutinizermore like that one:
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pupnikplus there's the taxes for the large engine05:20
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psycho_oreosits a bit of luxury for the price one has to pay to enjoy :p05:21
psycho_oreosi.e. creature comforts05:21
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GeneralAntillespupnik: taxes? For a large engine?05:21
pupniki wouldn't mind the cost of materials, it's the artificially high 'sin tax' that is placed on such devices05:21
GeneralAntillesWhat is this, California? :P05:21
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DocScrutinizergermany is on par with CA in that regard05:32
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DocScrutinizerand regarding gasoline price we are probably top of the world :-/05:33
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: the engine is really nice though. Using an electric compressor you could boost it to almost 1000HP on throwing a switch :-D05:36
pupnikthat would send me into a ditch quickly05:37
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pupnikremember the e21 bmw 323i?  that was a nice balance of weight and power05:38
pupnikafter that they got too heavy for me05:38
pupnikanyway gnite05:38
DocScrutinizeryeah, I just wondered if I'd also break that wire from tachometer to engine control with same switch. Otherwise it's limited to 250km/h05:39
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GeneralAntillesIt's too bad Mercedes has gotten all nasty.05:39
DocScrutinizernight pupnik05:39
DocScrutinizeranyway nowadays I'd want a tesla, if anything05:40
GeneralAntillesTesla's shit.05:40
GeneralAntillesOverweight junk.05:40
GeneralAntillesThose batteries really mess up the handling.05:41
DocScrutinizeroh, might be, yes05:41
DocScrutinizershitty batteries. I really hope they come up with something better eventually05:42
DocScrutinizerlike 10 times the power/kg05:42
DocScrutinizerenergy to be precise05:43
jonwilmy dream car
jonwilNot that I have any plans to buy a car (that one or otherwise) or get a license anytime soon :P05:43
jonwilWhy would I when there is a great public transport system in my city :P05:44
DocScrutinizerlooks weird. Is that a pickup?05:44
jonwilits a UTE05:44
jonwilwhich is an Aussie invention05:44
jonwilthats a bit like a pickup truck05:44
psycho_oreosGM|Holden Commodore VY utility05:44
jonwilI specifically like the metalic green color05:45
psycho_oreosits the rough equivalent of what the states once had Chevrolet el caminos or Ford rancheros05:45
DocScrutinizerpachero :-P05:45
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DocScrutinizerthere's been fapmans before our fapman05:46
jonwilthis btw is an example of the fine buses our city has :05:46
psycho_oreospowered by gas05:46
DocScrutinizermeh, you bought those in my town :-P05:47
jonwilthe chassis for those buses comes from Mercedes Benz buses in germany05:47
DocScrutinizerours are red, and have more gas on the roof05:48
jonwilthe body is built locally by a local bodybuilder05:48
jonwilThe bus in the pictures is diesel powered05:48
jonwilAlthough we have a bunch of similar looking CNG powered buses as well05:48
DocScrutinizeroh, so that's the air condition then?05:48
psycho_oreosbusses like those here (Qld, AU fyi :p) runs on gas, older ones are diesel powered05:48
DocScrutinizersame here05:49
jonwilThats the gas version05:50
psycho_oreos <--- Brisbane, Qld, AU05:51
psycho_oreosagain, CNG powered05:51
jonwilour next batch of buses (after the current order with Mercedes is fulfulled) is going to be a batch of Diesel powered Volvos05:52
psycho_oreosyou only have one type of bus and its all Merc branded?05:54
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jonwilThats some of our older buses05:57
jonwilTransperth has a history of buying buses from Mercedes Benz05:57
GeneralAntilleslol buses.05:58
GeneralAntillesReal men drive cars.05:59
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psycho_oreosI used to ride the bus alot till I got me own ute :p05:59
psycho_oreoswell bus and trains05:59
jonwilWhy would I need a car when I can get anywhere I want to go on the bus :P06:00
jonwilor train06:00
psycho_oreosjonwil, interesting, ours here is a mix of Mercedes-Benz, MAN, Volvo, Volgreen, Scania, etc06:00
GeneralAntillesBecause buses take away your liberty as an individual. :)06:00
psycho_oreosit boils down to one thing, freedom and ultimate mobility06:01
jonwilours are a mix of Mercedes Benz and Renault mostly06:01
ZogGmine bus is a potato06:01
jonwilwe also have one IVECO bus, some MAN buses, and one Scania bus06:01
jonwilthe IVECO and SCANIA and one of the MAN buses were bought as demonstrators to test new articulated bus deisgns06:02
psycho_oreoslol I have seen lots more other mixed brands. The ones I mentioned was just for Brisbane CBD itself, it has a few other towns which has their own logos, etc06:03
jonwilI have been to Brisbane and experienced Brisbane buses and trains06:04
jonwilincluding the ones on the gold coast06:04
jonwiland they are good06:04
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psycho_oreosbleh they are ok for me06:04
jonwilthe only criticism is that the fare structure is impossible to understand and that it was hard for me to provide the right information on my current location to the information line06:05
jonwilwhen I was trying to find out how to get somewhere06:05
jonwilHere in Perth, all the bus stops have unique numbers06:05
jonwilthat the information operators can use to identify where you are06:05
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jonwiland give you guidance as to the right service to take06:05
psycho_oreoshere its going by zones, the more zones you cover the more expensive it is (of course), each zone is a radius of x amount of km from the CBD. Then you have `Go' cards which makes the tickets a little cheaper as one just needs to swipe on and off rather than having plastic/paper based solution06:06
jonwilIts like that in Perth too06:07
jonwilwe have zones and cards06:07
jonwilIn Perth when you buy a ticket for one zone, you can go anywhere in that one zone for 2 hours06:07
jonwilon as many services as you like06:07
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jonwilI think what confused me in Brisbane was the idea of inbound tickers and outbound tickets06:08
jonwilor whatever it was06:08
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: real men don't use cars either - real liberty as an individual looks like
psycho_oreosthat could be for the old scheme. They go by zones these days unless you get on the great circle line which goes right around the city but not going into the city or out of the city. Those go by sectors06:09
jonwilyeah it was a few years ago I was using it06:10
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psycho_oreoslol a personal helicopter will not only be costly  but I'm sure the boys in the blue will keep their eye out on you if you use that regularly06:11
psycho_oreosplus driving is a lot more fun :p you want faster, you mash the pedal06:12
DocScrutinizerI bet that one is cheaper than my car was when bought new (not me)06:13
psycho_oreosone needs to also consider the use of such transport like that. Sure the novelty is indeed very nice however what does your potential employer think of you when you wonder around smelling like as if you were doing some lawn mowing? unless of course your job description perfectly matches the need to use machinery and to have BO smelling like petrol06:16
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DocScrutinizerTHAT'S for *real* men ;-D
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psycho_oreoseasy way to burn money quickly too06:22
psycho_oreosreal rich men fyi have chauffeurs to do all the driving, flying :P06:23
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LiraNuna_who was the one ho wanted to port Maemo5 into other phones?06:50
ZogGha, i've been approved to be maintainer on maemo extras06:51
ZogGnow i need to finish my widget =)06:52
DocScrutinizerI think there were several, but nobody who understands what it takes and still considered actually doing it06:52
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robbiethe1stHey guys, has anyone gotten direct rendering working/HW accel under Easy Debian?08:06
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_0x47Hi, anyone could tell me how exactly SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE works? I am trying to ignore the redirect of a custom libtool binary... I have the redirect logs enabled and got the full path of the binary from there, but it's still redirected...09:19
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_0x47Anyone here?09:22
prontonope :(09:23
_0x47Too early I guess...09:23
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DocScrutinizer51or too late09:25
_0x47~rape DocScrutinizer5109:26
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_0x47K my battery is going down, g2g09:27
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MohammadAGis QML interpreted or compiled?09:47
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meceMohammadAG, compiled afaik10:44
meceMohammadAG, no wait..10:45
meceMohammadAG, hm well. Interpreted10:45
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meceMohammadAG, if you need some qml work done, I can help out a little every now and then.10:56
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alteregoDid someone say qml!?10:58
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mecealterego, :) hey what are you working on these days?11:01
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alteregoCurrently, doing a contract to get some money. :)11:02
alteregoOnce that's done, I'll go back to Columbus, my spare time I'm working on Qml port of the meego dialer.11:03
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jonwilmaybe hell will freeze over and bug 11953 will be resolved :P11:17
povbotBug Open rtcom-call-ui11:17
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MohammadAGmece, I'm still not sure about it :)11:20
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meceMohammadAG, javascript isn't compiled afaik11:22
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mecebwaaha! Negative parallax is bonkers!11:25
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MohammadAGHaving problems with callbacks :/12:15
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RST38hMohammad: get_items_cb never gets called? =)12:17
MohammadAGno, the binary segfaults :P12:17
MohammadAGSegmentation fault12:17
RST38hAh...probably not the callback then12:18
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MohammadAG looks fine to me12:19
RST38hthis->mafw_playlist may have incorrect data12:20
RST38hthe rest of the arguments look kosher to me12:20
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MohammadAGit was null :)12:20
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RST38hif it were null, the function would never get called, right?12:22
MohammadAGthat's what should happen12:22
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MohammadAGalterego, ever used casts?12:37
MohammadAGemit static_cast<MafwPlaylistAdapter*>(user_data)->onGetItems(QString::fromUtf8(object_id), metadata, index) is causing a segfault for some reason :/12:39
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Venemohey MohammadAG12:43
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VenemoMohammadAG: what do you want exactly? there are more than one casting operators in C++12:43
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MohammadAGI want to emit a signal from a callback12:45
Venemoemit mySignal()12:45
Venemohow does casting come into the picture12:45
MohammadAG/home/mohammad/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwplaylistadapter.cpp:105: error: cannot call member function 'void MafwPlaylistAdapter::onGetItems(QString, GHashTable*, guint)' without object12:46
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VenemoMohammadAG: pastebin the code12:52
VenemoMohammadAG: and tell me which line is it12:52
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VenemoMohammadAG, is onGetItems declared as a signal in MafwPlaylistAdapter's header file?12:55
ebzzryWhat the. I rebooted only to find out the backupmenu screen is gone, but instead gets bootmenu screen? How come?12:55
MohammadAGVenemo, yes, but the callback is a static void12:55
ebzzryI reinstalled backupmenu but I still get the same screen? Why?12:55
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VenemoMohammadAG: I need to see more of the code12:57
VenemoMohammadAG: where is the callback in this paste? also, where do you set up the callback?12:57
MohammadAGit's in the paste, second function12:58
MohammadAG .h file12:58
MohammadAGcb = callback12:58
VenemoMohammadAG: well, get_items_cb is a static method12:58
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VenemoMohammadAG: you can only call the method of an instance if you actually have an instance12:58
VenemoMohammadAG: where is the place where you set up the callback?12:59
VenemoMohammadAG: is it line 5 in your first paste?13:00
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VenemoMohammadAG: try this
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VenemoMohammadAG: note that I passed the this pointer to mafw_playlist_get_items_md's "additional data" parameter13:04
VenemoMohammadAG: then I get that data from the user_data parameter of your callback13:04
MohammadAGVenemo, still segfaults13:05
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lcukX-Fade, ping13:08
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: my laptop has frozen once again13:09
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: does it work?13:10
SpeedEvilPlace it in a medium oven, till golden brown and unfrozen in the middle.13:10
SpeedEvilStick a skewer through, and check it's not still frozen inside, and is piping hot.13:10
Venemo_N900thanks SpeedEvil :)13:11
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Venemo_N900SpeedEvil: I knew I can count on you13:11
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MohammadAGVenemo_N900, yep :)13:13
VenemoSpeedEvil: if you have any better advice than the oven, please see
VenemoMohammadAG: great :)13:14
SpeedEvilVenemo: It's out of warranty?13:14
VenemoSpeedEvil: I took the machine to warranty repair, but the service was unable to reproduce the issue at all, thus they didn't fix it either13:14
SpeedEvilCan you ping it?13:15
VenemoSpeedEvil: when frozen? I never tried, but I doubt it13:15
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SpeedEvilVenemo: The sugestions I'd make would be along the lines od the others in the thread alas - replace motherboard, ...13:16
SpeedEvilIn principle, given full schematics, and lots and lots of clue, you can diagnose it.13:16
VenemoSpeedEvil: I have no spare parts for the laptop, so I can't13:16
VenemoSpeedEvil: I think that would be the task of the repair centre (as they have the resources to do it), but they didn't13:17
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VenemoSpeedEvil: someone recommended me to just find two sympathic contact on the motherboard, give them a voltage of my liking, and when it's done, take it to repair saying "this time it not only crashed, but wouldn't start again"13:20
VenemoMohammadAG: I'm glad I could help :)13:20
MohammadAGVenemo, thanks :)13:21
MohammadAGVenemo, it seems it was because I was passing NULL instead of this as a pointer13:21
VenemoMohammadAG: exactly13:21
VenemoMohammadAG: as I told you :)13:21
SpeedEvilVenemo: If the repairer has sufficient clue, that can be found out.13:22
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VenemoSpeedEvil: yeah, that's why I haven't done this13:23
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lolcatWhat bluetooth keyboards do you recommend for N900?13:35
lcukX-Fade, regarding latest version of libliqbase, it dd not get imported into fremantle -devel although it ended up in diablo (so anyone with n810 can try :P) are there specific reasons for it not being imported?13:35
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MohammadAGMafwPlaylist implemented, sort of13:36
Arkenoifennec beta does not play html5 video from youtube on n900? what is it good for, then?13:36
VenemoArkenoi: nothing13:37
kerioArkenoi: it's really good at being slow13:38
kerioif you're into that13:38
Venemokerio ++13:38
kerioafaiac, there's absolutely no reason for fennec's existance13:38
lcukArkenoi, I thought there was more to the internet than kitten videos on youtube13:38
keriolcuk: there's also pr0n13:38
kerioand pr0n videos in flash don't work with fennec13:38
kerioso yeah, still no reason13:39
Venemolol kerio13:39
lcukdare I ask: are they using html5 video?13:39
JaffaMohammadAG: Woot13:39
VenemoMohammadAG: congrats13:40
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Arkenoilcuk: and everything other is viewed better with either default browser or macuco. I thought fennec might be useful because flash video sucks and our flash plugin sucks even more.13:40
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]anyone familiar with the startup scripts? I'm trying to get xkeybinds to run at startup but without success. based on a topic i saw on tmo, it should run once hildon-desktop has started.13:59
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LjLi don't suppose there's any hack to make telepathy keep a backlog of conversations by default, instead of erasing them as soon as you close the window?14:03
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togglesLjL: i think they are there, old conversations?14:06
togglesoh, no, thats the desktop.. though my history is there, sorry.14:07
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Mecesomething like that in /etc/event.d14:07
VenemoLjL: search on TMO14:09
lardmanlcuk: your liqbook update fails on the libbase version14:10
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lcuklardman, yes I know14:10
lcukhowever the same source built happily and is also in diablo repository14:10
lcukit however did not get imported into fremantle14:10
lcukthough the build came back OK14:11
LjLVenemo: sorry, TMO?14:11
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infobot[tmo], or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo14:11
lcukhence me asking, are there specific reasons for it not being passed and what are those reasons so I can modify and resubmit14:11
VenemoLjL: there is also a "power search" function on tmo14:11
lcuk[extras-builds] [fremantle]: libliqbase 0.3.67 OK14:12
lardmanyou spoken to X-Fade ?14:12
lcukhe has been skiing14:13
lardmanah ok14:13
lcukand returned, hence todays ping14:13
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lardmanstrange that it would build at all if it doesn't make it into extras-*14:13
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lcuklardman, it is available for my n81014:13
* lcuk giggles at that14:13
javispedroah, another buildbot got hung14:14
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lardmanlcuk: that doesn't explain how you built liqbook on the autobuilder for Fremantle though14:14
lardmanor are your build and runtime deps different?14:14
lcuklardman, the buildbot looks in the "pending move to fremantle" queue when looking for dependencies afaik14:14
lcukit was a fix put in last year or so I think, to allow pushing uploads of a library and then the apps using it14:15
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lardmanwhere are those packages hosted, as they are downloaded in source form afaiu14:15
lcukwithout having sync waiting problems14:15
lardmanoh right, never realised that, I always wait 20min between pushes14:15
lcukwell that mucks up lots of people using dput14:15
lcukwho might setup a script - you *should* be able  to put the projects in the right order14:16
lcukand providing builds work   ->>> lib, app,app,app,app etc14:16
lcukwould would14:16
lcukif the apps are dependent upon lib14:16
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lcukwould work*14:16
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]Mece: Thank you14:24
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Treibholzis there a meego-image for the maemo-sdk?14:34
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javispedroomg vibrator in games14:37
javispedroVIBRA: SDL_HapticRunEffect VIBRA: Run effect level=32767 for length=99 ms VIBRA: Call MCE speed=170 duration=9914:37
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Mecejavispedro, O.o14:38
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MohammadAG omg14:40
MohammadAGdid they pull the plug?14:40
MohammadAGI need the damn docs14:41
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MeceMohammadAG, perhaps cached in google for example14:41
andre__meh. says "Error: Too many connections"14:42
javispedrothe buildbot is also hung14:42
andre__I can't work like this.14:42
javispedroand doesn't work either!14:42
MohammadAGthat means the repos are down14:43
MohammadAGI wonder if Nokia really pulled the plug14:43
javispedro(indexes might, though...)14:43
jonwil works fine for me btw14:44
MeceMohammadAG, have they threatened to?14:44
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MohammadAGmaybe they opened up all of Maemo and the repo couldn't take it14:46
* MohammadAG chuckles14:46
MeceMohammadAG, yes, that sounds likely14:46
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* javispedro is happy, vibrator!14:47
lcukjavispedro, I remember some guy in maemo forums who could not switch his vibrator off14:48
nidOcue "thats what she said"14:48
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pupniki wonder if n900s are banned in texas14:50
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LjL-N810Yay rtcomm14:51
pupnikcan I buy n900 system boards somewhere?14:51
pupnikno display, no case just boards14:51
E0xbeagleboard are like n900 one14:51
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ruskiejust lacking the 3g stuff ;)14:52
pupnikyes i wanted the 3g and camera14:52
pupnikand small size14:52
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RST38hlcuk: So, has he got injured?14:53
lcukRST38h, who?14:53
lcukthe vibrator guy?14:53
jonwilLooks like the problem is a database issue14:53
jonwilas in their database server is down/faulty/whatever14:54
MohammadAGI don't get how to sort14:54
MohammadAGthe playlist items14:54
MohammadAGE0x, that's not the problem14:55
MohammadAGI have docs14:55
E0xah ok14:55
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MohammadAGthe callback sends an integer14:56
MohammadAGthat should be the position of the song14:56
MohammadAGbut it isn't14:56
E0xi not the track number ?14:56
lcukRST38h, no he did not, but his neighbours looked at him funny for a while :P14:58
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MohammadAGE0x, no, don't need the track number14:59
MohammadAGI mean, I need to sort the playlist as mafw playlist has it15:00
E0xi mean if that integer maybe is the track number instead of the position15:00
E0xbecause i think mediplayer sort it using the track number15:00
MohammadAGno, it doesn't15:01
MohammadAGmusic player -> songs -> all songs, click a song15:01
MohammadAGseems to be a widget problem rather than an API problem15:02
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MohammadAGyou'd think ui->songPlaylist->insertItem(index, item) would work correctly, but doesn't15:05
MohammadAGdamn Qt15:05
LjLthe screenshots at ... they look like more than the standard 3 icons can fit in the task switcher. is it just a matter of the theme used, or what?15:05
toadpole( MohammadAG ): thanks for all your work on maemo apps, it's much appreciated :)15:05
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MohammadAGtoadpole, you're welcome :)15:05
lcukLjL, the screenshots are from diablo, ie maemo4 ie N800 and N81015:06
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LjLlcuk: i know, that's what i have ;)15:06
javispedrothey're actually pre-diablo15:06
LjLlcuk: but on mine, the icons are bigger, and 3 fit15:06
lcukLjL, save a screenshot and show us15:06
javispedroon diablo the icons were enlarged to make them "finger friendly"15:06
LjLthey're the same size as the web/people/apps icon15:06
LjLjavispedro: oh15:06
LjLjavispedro: not very multitasking-friendly though :P15:07
javispedrowe all know that :D15:07
LjLit wouldn't be so bad if they were actually dynamic, i.e. changed depending on what the last 3 tasks i've used were15:07
LjLbut instead, they're always the same three - the tasks i started *first*15:07
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MohammadAGguess I'll have to use a dirty trick15:10
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ZogG_laptopruskie, hey15:30
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ZogG_laptopso if i use madde and i have library from dependies on device, do i ned it on qt sdk dir of maemo? and if i do how do i install it15:37
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markinfoHow to work with miniSDCard? It should be automatically recognised in File manager just after it is inserted in the slot?15:38
markinfoin nokia n900.15:38
SpeedEvilYou cannot insert a miniSD15:39
SpeedEvilIt will not fit.15:39
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markinfowell it is mikro SD - it fits15:40
Treibholzmarkinfo: I guess you are talking about a MicroSD15:40
Treibholzyou need to close the cover.15:40
ZogG_laptopok u just insert and it's there15:40
ZogG_laptopmarciom, use filemanager e.g. filebox is nice15:41
ZogG_laptopso any dev here?15:41
ZogG_laptoplardman, ping15:41
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG, =)15:41
lardmanZogG_laptop: pong15:42
markinfoWell - it needs to put plastic Cover to put back on.15:42
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ZogG_laptoplardman, did u ever use madde?15:43
lcuklardman is madde15:43
Treibholzwhat is the correct way to install python-modules from pipy? I miss pypi-install15:43
ZogG_laptopmarciom, yes plastic cover mount and umount so u wouldn't take it off in the middle of some operation15:43
lardmanZogG_laptop: nope15:43
ZogG_laptoplcuk, you?15:43
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lcukZogG_laptop, not to a degree where I could dig inside it15:44
lcukbut Venemo has dug quite deeply afaik15:44
ZogG_laptopanyone here? i have some dependies for my "app" and i have them on desktop and n900 but not in maemo dir of qt sdk15:45
lardmanwhat are the deps out of interest?15:45
ZogG_laptoppupnik, btw did u change anysetting before u run xmms2?15:45
ZogG_laptoplardman, xmms2 client lib15:45
lardmanoh, no clue about that anyway, sorry15:45
markinfoThere is optical sensor that check if the back cover is on nokia n900 back?   this small point beside of camera?15:46
lardmanmarkinfo: thought it was magnetic15:46
markinfoi have found it -there is small piece of magnet that also hold the stand leg of the cover.15:50
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ZogG_laptopno venemo and no MohammadAG  =(15:50
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DocScrutinizermarkinfo: yep. optical is for cam slide15:57
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pupnikthat magnet can fall off pretty easily15:59
lardmannice to see some bugs getting a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment16:00
* lardman wonders how far off it is... :)16:00
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SpeedEvilHmm. Maybe they're going to a new naming scheme. And the n950 is actually named after teh processor.16:02
RST38hlardman: leak! leak! leak! :)16:02
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ZogG_laptoppupnik, when u used xmms2 did u changed config or something?16:04
lardmanRST38h: :)16:04
ZogG_laptopit starts but i get error on playback16:04
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jonwilI doubt any of the bugs I actually care about will be fixed anytime soon :(16:05
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pupnikZogG_laptop: don't remember16:06
DocScrutinizerlardman: I got nightmares of the day harmattan rolls out16:07
lardmannew hw! :)16:07
RST38hDoc: Everyone will hate it.16:08
DocScrutinizerlardman: I'd feel much better if I knew for sure this thing got no meego label on it16:08
andre__jonwil, which bugs do you care about? :-P16:08
RST38hDoc: Some will stock on devices, knowing it is the last one16:08
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: I'm talking of a m6-meego-harmattan-HE to kill m5 on N90016:10
jonwilbug 8347 for one thing16:10
povbotBug Cell Broadcast Feature not available16:10
RST38hAh probably wont' happen =(16:10
DocScrutinizerI hope so16:10
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markus_hy everybody16:10
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* RST38h wonders if there will be a "WHERE ARE THE ARROW KEYS?" thread when N950 surfaces16:15
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: otoh what's the sense of a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment - as lardman put it - when that harmattan is known to be the mock-meego, include 2791 new bugs and regressions, a new GUI that's BLAARGH and you say it won't come for N900 (what I really really hope it won't actually)16:17
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lardmanwell there are some things we can't change, so I'm not too worried about the presumable ui changes and extra bugs, as long as some of the old ones are fixed and preferably we are able to fix any new ones ourselves16:18
jonwilif Cell Broadcast SMS ever works on the N900, I will be HIGHLY surprised16:18
DocScrutinizerthat'd be like "winXP bug 737617: fixed in win7"16:19
povbotBug was not found.16:19
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RST38hDoc: Can I say somethign really bad, cynical, and negative?16:20
DocScrutinizerlardman: exactly what I have been afraid of. meego-HE-m6-bastard is the final shot in the forehead for maemo16:20
lardmanI have no idea, you might be pleasantly surprised, you never know ;)16:21
DocScrutinizerBS, I'm scared16:21
lardmancan't really be worse than no new releases16:21
RST38hDoc: Ultimately, nobody *cares* what base flavor of Linux N950 is based on.16:22
jonwilthe 3 questions I have here are16:22
DocScrutinizerand we already learnt from our occasional harmattan tester here what quirks are in harmattan/meego, and looking at meego handset UX GUI I feel like puking16:22
RST38hDoc: So, if Nokia marketing people would like to call it a "Meego", it is ok, but the thing is just Maemo to me16:22
DocScrutinizerlardman: it IS worse16:22
DocScrutinizerRST38h: I'm fsckng not talking about N95016:23
RST38hDoc: So, no, Harmattan being "fake" Meego is ok to me, as long as the device as a whole is usable and feature cp,[lete16:23
RST38hDoc: As to proper Meego, let us wait until 1.2, will we?16:23
DocScrutinizerI'm talking about m6 rollout for N900 going to kill m516:23
lardmanI've got to agree with RST38h here, plus I try to be optimistic16:24
jonwil1.Will this mythical harmattan be missing features that are present in Frematnle16:24
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jonwil2.Will this mythical harmattan contain open source bits instead of closed source bits and if so, is that a good or bad thing16:24
RST38hAnd see how it comes out. Based on what I see in release reports, there will be a lot of changes from 1.116:24
jonwiland 3.Will this mythical harmattan contain closed source pieces that contain new bugs vs Fremantle (i.e. things we cant fix that are regressions vs what we have now)16:24
markus_I build my package for maemo with the qt developer. Now noki atells me I have to move some files to /opt. How do I build the package by hand?16:24
lardmandocscrutinizer: can't see it getting a harmattan update myself16:24
DocScrutinizerRST38h: I give a shit about meego and N95016:24
jonwilI only care about what runs on my N90016:24
lolcatjonwil: Can you get easy debian in meego?16:24
pupnikgood question markus_16:24
jonwilI intend to run whatever nokia-updater tells me is the latest16:25
pupnikanybody else in .de interested in getting spare speakers?  i'll be placing my order today16:25
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DocScrutinizer[2011-03-02 15:00:26] <lardman> nice to see some bugs getting a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment16:25
lardmanyeah, but I'm not talking about hw specific, but rather platform sw16:25
lardmanperhaps I should have said that16:25
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lardmanthough yeah I see where you're coming from16:26
DocScrutinizerWTF is that worth when we don't see m6 on N900? And again, I HOPE(!!!!) and pray we won't see any m6-HE on N900 as it will kill off m516:26
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Treibholzgrr, python-setuptools is installed.16:27
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jonwilWhat I care about is not losing features vs Fremantle, not ending up with an unusable GUI just after I got the hang of the Fremantle UI/UX and seeing the issues I care about fixed16:27
jonwiland to be able to add the features I want to my N90016:27
RST38hDoc: You are so afraid of Maemo6 as if it were the Tentacled One Himself16:27
lcukjonwil, how long have you cared for n900?16:28
Treibholz.oOO( Tentacles with arms are extremely dangerous! )16:28
RST38hDoc: And if I understood you correctly, you cite current Meego bugs as evidence, although Maemo6 has nothign to do with Meego16:28
DocScrutinizerthe only bugs against m5 that can get a semi-valid "fixed in m6" tag are the FOSS-requests16:28
jonwilI dont see most of those FOSS requests happening :(16:29
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jonwilSome nokia guy will just say "use ofono" even though ofono will never be a valid option on the N900 with Fremantle16:29
Treibholzwhat is the correct way to build maemo-debs from debian-sources?16:29
DocScrutinizerjonwil: yu're kinda depressing16:29
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DocScrutinizerjaffa sent them to quim some 2 days ago16:30
jonwilhmmm yeah16:30
jonwilthere is a bit of positive news there :)16:30
jonwilIMO if we had the details of the dbus interface exposed by the CSD daemon and its plugins, there is no reason we couldnt replace CSD and friends with a modified ofono16:30
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DocScrutinizersure, except mere amount of work this would be16:31
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E0xDocScrutinizer:i don't see the point of get stuck in m5 if any of the may part is not getting open source because almost all important bugs are in these part16:31
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jonwilyeah true16:31
* javispedro hugs n810 for no reason16:31
Jaffajonwil: DocScrutinizer: Even if stuff doesn't get opened, perhaps for some of the lower level stuff (like that) we could have a channel to talk to engineers about the interfaces/APIs at least.16:32
lcukjavispedro, but the n810 has even more closed packages *shock*16:32
jonwilyeah I think we should come up with a "plan B" for some of those requests16:32
RST38hjavispedro: Reminds you of PalmPilot somehow, now, that they are both dead? =)16:32
* javispedro hugs PalmPilot16:32
jonwili.e. "if you wont release code, how about these dev packages"16:32
DocScrutinizerJaffa: sounds reasonable and in line with my suggestion (you know which)16:32
javispedrohm.. where is the pilot?16:32
RST38hfell apart into dust?16:33
* RST38h sheds a tear16:33
javispedrono ,it just wants UNDER a pile of dust.16:33
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infobotjavispedro meant: no ,it just was UNDER a pile of dust.16:33
lcukjavispedro, in a box in the loft with Andys ^W Javiss' toys16:33
visznokia might actually be sending the free E7's16:34
javispedrojoy from a symbian device?16:35
viszmy boss just got one and he does not seem impressed16:35
* RST38h wonders if any Zoomer PDAs are still around16:35
javispedrorecently some guy asked me "is symbian easily jailbreakable"? The only answer I could think of was "I think symbian predates jailbreaking".16:35
Jaffavisz: Free is free.16:35
jonwilJaffa: Is it worth adding this "plan B" idea to the bug reports on
Jaffajavispedro: Symbian has no need for jailbreaking *cough*16:36
viszi guess i can use it the e7 to replace my almost broken 6110 navigator16:36
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RST38hjavispedro: actually, no, it has to be jailbroken16:36
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viszatleast the e7 has turn by turn directions16:36
Jaffajonwil: If we start getting responses on the bug reports rather than a direct one back from Quim, yeah. Until then, it'd probably just confuse peopel16:36
jonwilmakes sense16:36
* RST38h will use that E7 for the last wave of updates to his Symbian apps16:36
DocScrutinizerwell, I heard symbian phones got used in a number of jailbreaks here :-P16:36
viszand hopefully, unlike my 6110, working volume button ,)16:36
RST38hAs an action of defiances, if you wish, or to milk the remaining Symbian user base, if you are cynical =)16:37
jonwilJust having libisi-dev would really help me out with some of my work :)16:37
lardmanhaving a secretary would help me16:37
jonwilalthough I am afraid that libisi (code or -dev package) may be one of the things Nokia are worried about releasing16:37
javispedrohaving that time stopping wristwatch would help me...16:37
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lcukjavispedro, can I get that app from Ovi Store?16:38
javispedroI think not...16:39
javispedroThough you can get plenty of timewasting applications...16:39
DocScrutinizerjonwil: I also would strongly recommend not to edit this wikipage for now, as that might confuse hell out of people at Nokia referring to it16:40
jonwilI wasnt intending to edit it16:40
DocScrutinizerjust saying16:40
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jonwilAnything that gets more of Fremantle open is a good thing.16:51
jonwilAnd I definatly think that asking for dbus interfaces and APIs is a good "plan B"16:52
* Jaffa nods.16:52
* Jaffa looks forward to cool jonwil stuff in the CSSU ;-)16:52
jonwile.g. if we knew all the external things exposed to the upper levels by the ICD daemon, it wouldn't be that hard to replace ICD with whatever maemo uses16:52
tybolltjonwil: I'm telling you for the hundredth time, was a hoax. ;-)16:53
DocScrutinizerJaffa: (Symbian has no need for jailbreaking) actually I seem to recall my friend told me he has to sign each symbian app otherwise it won't run. OK the signature got hacked so no showstopper, but it's a little bit like jailbreaking, no?16:53
tybolltanyone know who was behind the hoax though=16:53
* tybollt looks suspiciously at GAN900 ;)16:54
jonwilI mean replace ICD weith whatever MeeGo uses16:55
jonwilnetmanager or whatever it is16:55
jonwilI suspect that 99% of what ICD exposes to the upper layers is only relavent to the connectivity status bar widgets and stuff16:56
DocScrutinizerconman, another reinvention of the wheel16:56
jonwilwhich could be redone if we replaced ICD16:56
Robot101DocScrutinizer: I honestly have no understanding of how connman benefits anyone over NM >= 0.7 :/16:56
Robot101DocScrutinizer: other than ofono integration, which could've been done in NM16:57
DocScrutinizerRobot101: ack16:57
jonwilIts another case of Nokia replacing closed-and-proprietary with open-and-proprietary16:57
DocScrutinizerNIH cookie16:57
jonwili.e. things Nokia can have a big say in the development of16:57
javispedroIntel in this case.16:57
lardmanconman is incomplete too so I read16:57
javispedroa match made in heaven...16:57
jonwilwell we dont have to replace ICD with conman, if we knew the interfaces that mattered, we could replace it with netman16:58
jonwiland make netman talk to the CSD GPRS plugin16:59
RST38hjonwil: Man, contantly mentioning the need to know interfaces in this channel has not been known to give one the knowledged of those interfaces16:59
jonwiltrue :P16:59
luke-jrNM sucks too16:59
RST38hSo, address your request to the right destination (i.e. Quim et al)17:00
DocScrutinizerRST38h: +17:00
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: one more reason not to replace it by anything else that sucks same way17:01
javispedrothe bad you know...17:01
javispedros/bad/devil :P17:02
javispedrothough tbh I'm quite wary of this entire nih stuff around connman/ofono17:02
DocScrutinizerif NM wouldn't suck, I could understand Intel claiming "It doesn't suck as much as we want it, so let's invent connman to meet that design goal" - but even that is moot :-P17:02
jonwilok, so where do I put requests for information/code/headers/dev packages so that the right people will see it and be able to act on it?17:02
DocScrutinizerjonwil: THIS IS INPROGRESS17:03
DocScrutinizerconstant nagging won't help the issue17:03
DocScrutinizerau contraire17:03
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DocScrutinizernot that I knew for sure about that part - maybe it would help if done right - just I never seen any instance where it did17:05
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markinfohow to use Nokia n900 as Voice recorder? I have found only application "Recorder" - is there something else?17:26
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markinfoCan nokia take voice with higher sample frequency as 22kHz?17:26
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markinfobecause audio in Video stream from Camera is taken with 48kHz17:29
andre__why do you need something else than "recorder"?17:30
markinfoit seems to be quality of audio  worse than in videostream17:32
markinfothere are no settings in "Recorder"17:32
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pupniksee "parec" markinfo17:36
lardmanjust diy the gst pipeline17:37
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pupnikor that17:37
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ZogG_laptopso anyone have any idea how do i install extra package i want to use for dependies for my app to Qt SDK?17:39
lcukZogG_laptop, how are you planning on publishing this app down the line?17:40
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ZogG_laptoplcuk, to extras17:40
lardmanZogG_laptop: I'd be interested to hear the answer to that question too17:40
lcukafaik in the project file (or configurator for it) you can add dependencies17:41
Treibholz[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/deb/python-dateutil-1.4.1] > file /usr/share/pyshared/setuptools/cli.exe17:41
Treibholz/usr/share/pyshared/setuptools/cli.exe: MS Windows PE 32-bit Intel 80386 console executable not relocatable17:41
ZogG_laptoplcuk, i tried on first when i did desktop app. it was build fine for desctop but not for maemo17:42
ZogG_laptopkhertan_, probably knows17:42
lcukZogG_laptop, perhaps it considers that dependencies are already installed whilst running from ide->device ?17:42
ZogG_laptopon device it is installed17:43
ZogG_laptopon computer as well17:43
ZogG_laptopthe question is if it builds in SDK it probably uses SDK rootsys17:43
Treibholzwhy are there windows-files installed?17:43
lcukZogG_laptop, check the package .deb itself and see what dpkg says are its dependencies etc17:44
lcukautobuilder will follow those17:44
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ZogG_laptoplcuk, u don't get, i'm truing to build my own package and it does depends on existing package17:45
lcukZogG_laptop, do you have an actual .deb built somewhere from the middle of the qt sdk?17:46
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ZogG_laptoplcuk, nope i can't build deb until i resolve dependies issues =(17:48
Treibholzmaybe Nokia is already sabotaging the Maemo-SDK...17:48
ZogG_laptopbut i do have deb of the package my app depends on17:48
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ZogG_laptoplcuk, now the problem that it ask for pass and mad dev pass is not working17:56
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divan0Is gtk-update-icon-cache supposed to be empty or it's just me?   Nokia-N900:~# cat /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache18:00
divan0#!/bin/sh -e18:00
pupniki LOVE n90018:00
pupnikcan stream my security camera using just mplayer18:00
_berto_divan0: it is empty, the icon cache is disabled18:00
pupnikso much faster than in browser18:01
divan0_berto_, why it's disabled?18:01
_berto_divan0: to save disk space18:01
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ZogG_laptoppupnik, do u have security ca?18:03
E0xtalking about stream , with gstream i can screen the video of the camare right ?18:03
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E0xi mean , over the network18:04
divan0_berto_, can I tell hildon to reload icons somehow? Simple case - I've my .desktop file and now icon isn't displayed.18:05
ZogG_laptop/usr/lib symlinks to?18:06
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cfreak200heya, someone send me an mms to my n900 and i didnt have fMMS installed until now, i've got no SMS saying that i've a new mms. Is there a way to ensure it's not my devices fault by forcing fMMS to check for new MMS's ?18:07
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_berto_divan0: if it does not work automatically, try with "touch /usr/share/themes" or /usr/share/themes/something18:08
_berto_I don't remember now18:08
_berto_but I think reloading icons was based on the timestamp of the themes dir18:08
_berto_in fact gtk-update-icon-cache should do that18:09
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divan0_berto_, thanks for the replies.  I'm reading comments for this bug ( Pretty odd.18:10
povbotBug 6931: After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one18:10
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_berto_divan0: ah, yeah, I explain it all there :)18:11
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_berto_divan0: but I think that patch didn't get accepted18:12
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divan0_berto_, for sure it didn't (18:12
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_berto_divan0: if you touch the hicolor dir on postinst I think it should fix your problem18:12
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lcukhi _berto_ divan0 \o18:13
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, playlists working, at least for listing and selection18:13
MohammadAGstill need to work on sorting them right, they're random atm18:13
lcuk_berto_, another thing I think we looked at in the past is also the order the .desktop file and .png icon itself get installed18:14
_berto_hi lcuk18:14
divan0_berto_, actually my problem is more specific - I create .desktop files and icons in .local directory. And icons do not appear even after reboot. And I double checked syntax and permissions, the icons do not appear.18:14
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divan0hi lcuk18:14
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: nice18:14
_berto_i have to leave, guys, sorry18:14
DocScrutinizer51sorting and search shouldn't be hard18:14
lcuk_berto_, until next time \o18:15
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, problem is, QListWidget can't insert at row 500 if there are 0 items18:15
MohammadAGso I either have to override that, or get mafw to send sorted items18:16
DocScrutinizer51umm, yeah18:16
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MohammadAG8MBs of RAM, not bad18:20
MohammadAGconsidering it currently has both songs, videos, internet stations with their respective art shown18:21
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ZogG_laptopi feel like the world is against me18:25
ZogG_laptopi feel like the world is against me18:25
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG, did u managed to add dependies from extras to Qt SDK for madde?18:25
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MohammadAGZogG_laptop, yes, libqgconf18:26
ZogG_laptopand anyone knows how to add repo to scratchbox with https as it gives error while trying to update18:27
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG how do you do it?18:27
MohammadAGi just unpack the deb in the sysroot18:27
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG, i did the same didn't work18:30
ZogG_laptopnow just did it with non-opt packages18:30
ZogG_laptopit worked18:30
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ZogG_laptoppupnik_, do you still have xmms2?18:31
JaffaMohammadAG: Seen the patch on bug 6931 to fix Gtk+? I was going to ask _berto_ about any performance impact, but he's gone18:32
povbotBug After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one18:32
ZogG_laptopruskie, ping18:32
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ruskieklanging me isn't as effective as actually putting up a question ;)18:33
ZogG_laptopruskie, can u test some app for m18:34
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG, how do i add it in config as dependies for install18:35
ZogG_laptopruskie, btw xmms2 play just gives me error can't play with no description18:35
ZogG_laptopruskie, i don't know why myself, do i need to config anything like audio or something?18:36
pupnik_ZogG_laptop: sorry not atm18:37
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ruskieZogG_laptop, ahh you probably need the pulseaudio plugin and set is as default...18:37
ruskiethough I thought I set that up...18:37
ruskiemaybe I should actually try to make this better...18:37
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ZogG_laptopxmms2-pulseaudio or how does it calls?18:38
ruskieand need to set it as default output18:38
ruskieno display of the metadata yet18:41
ruskiebut the controls do work18:41
markinfoI have just instaled program   made some records, but I can not find where this records are saved.18:41
markinfoi have founded it.18:42
niala1i m a new n900. since 45seconds...18:42
ZogG_laptopruskie, hmm i can't manage xmms2 to work itself18:43
ZogG_laptopruskie, for metadata i need MohammadAG to help me, but he hates me =)18:43
ruskiehmm though the app seems to have sent my xmms2d into some cpu spins...18:43
ruskiedoes xmms2 launch? i.e. there's an xmms2d process in the list?18:44
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ZogG_laptopruskie, app doesn't start it18:45
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ruskieerm... ow... you're trying to autolaunch it...18:45
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ruskieI had it running already18:45
ZogG_laptopruskie, i'll play with code after if i'm not sure if i need to sent commands and wait for reply or just sent and doesn't matter if it works or not18:45
ruskiealso check: ~/.config/xmms2/xmms2.conf18:45
ZogG_laptopruskie there is pulse as default18:46
markinfocan be regulated the sensitivity of mikrofon?   I have tested 2 voice recording application an it makes uite silent records.18:46
ruskie<property name="plugin">pulse</property>18:46
ZogG_laptopruskie, how do i add all mlib to current playlist?18:46
ruskieZogG_laptop, hmm I always just xmms2 radd dir_of_music18:46
ruskieand that adds it in18:46
Flyser__Hey guys, I have a problem. I just *un*installed nitdroid on my n900 and rebooted the device. now I see an empty multiboot menu and the device wont boot. what can I do to fix this? :-/18:46
markinfoeven "mydicto" shows bar of Miicrofon - and it moves just on the bottom.18:47
TreibholzFlyser__: flash the stock-kernel.18:47
ZogG_laptopruskie, lemme try it18:48
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Flyser__so flashing the kernel will be enough? thanks :) I thought I had to replace the rootfs^^18:48
TreibholzFlyser__: no, the kernel is enough.18:49
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ZogG_laptopruskie, it does work but i can't hear anything18:49
ZogG_laptoput it's playing18:49
TreibholzFlyser__: I had the same problem just a few days ago :-)18:49
ruskieZogG_laptop, hmm and output is pulse?18:49
ruskieare you in silent?18:49
ZogG_laptophmm it's wierd18:50
ZogG_laptopi ran xmms2 radd /path/to/album18:50
ZogG_laptopxmms2 list shows nothing18:50
ruskiecheck .cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log iirc18:50
ZogG_laptopcouldn't set up chain  for ...blah.mp318:52
ruskiemissing all the format plugins then18:52
ruskieI more or less stripped off all the plugin dependencies by default18:52
Flyser__Treibholz: nice :) What is the easiest way to reflash *just* the kernel? do I have to unpack the FIASCO image?18:52
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ZogG_laptopruskie, i'm using opt repo18:53
TreibholzFlyser__: no, the flasher has an option for that18:53
ruskieZogG_laptop, yeah... but you need to install xmms2-plugin-{mp3,ogg,flac,etc...) packages18:53
ZogG_laptopruskie, xmms2-plugin-all is meta?18:53
ruskieI think so18:53
ZogG_laptoplemme check than18:53
ruskieyeah it is18:54
ruskieI suggest after that removing it and xmms2-plugin-mad18:54
ruskieso it will use mpg123 as the decoder(more optimized decoding)18:54
ZogG_laptopyes it is18:54
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ZogG_laptopruskie, yes but than i need to install flac support separetly =(18:55
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ruskieZogG_laptop, ?18:55
ZogG_laptopdoes mad includes flac support?18:55
ruskiemad is ONLY for mp318:55
ruskieyou need: xmms2-plugin-flac18:55
ruskieif you want flac18:55
ZogG_laptopruskie, that's why i like gentoo =)18:56
ruskiemad is also crap performance wise18:56
ruskiebecause they insanely patch crap?18:56
ZogG_laptopUSE="mad flac" emerge xms2 =)18:56
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ruskieZogG_laptop, well if I do a fresh package I'd like to roll it all into a single deb18:56
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Flyser__Treibholz: flasher-3.5 -F /home/flyser/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel doesnt work here. what is wrong?18:56
slonopotamusit's just funny:
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG, now i will bug you with stupid question as finally i set up dev enventory right19:00
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ZogG_laptopruskie, what do you think to get metadata from file or from xmms2?19:03
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ruskiesince xmms2 has a mlib I'd get it from there19:03
ZogG_laptopruskie, okay it would take me a lot of time to make something kinda usebale but what do you think i should add first after current song display?19:04
ruskiemaybe albumart support?19:05
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DocScrutinizerFlyser__: a bit more of info WHAT is happening for sure would help to help you19:06
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, what's "enventory"?19:06
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG it means my english sucks19:07
DocScrutinizerFlyser__: I mean "doesn't work here" is a bit thin19:07
ZogG_laptopruskie i'm planning to add album art, volume, progress bar, song info19:08
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ruskieplaning on making a desktop widget as well?19:08
ZogG_laptopthinking of playlist/medialib or add dir19:08
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ZogG_laptopruskie, sure, if i figure it out how to make widget, as in qt creator i have desktop widget or mobile app but not mobile widget and i dunno Qt at all19:09
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ZogG_laptopruskie i was thinking to steal nicolai's widget and change relevant code and delete unrelevant for now19:09
Flyser__DocScrutinizer: well I was able to flash the kernel using flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R, but the device will still show an empty multiboot menu on startup19:09
ruskiebtw ZogG_laptop considered signig up for gsoc with xmms2?19:10
DocScrutinizeryeah, multiboot is a bitch19:10
Flyser__DocScrutinizer: This happened after deinstalling nitdroid19:10
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ZogG_laptopruskie nope19:11
ZogG_laptopruskie i'm too stupid for that19:11
Flyser__Treibholz: is that what you did or anything else?19:11
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DocScrutinizersorry I never looked too deep into multiboot, as I know it's a nasty hack. My guess would be you either fix things with a lenghty procedure involving booting rescue-initrd and hacking on shell level. Or reflash rootfs19:12
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DocScrutinizerand for sure I suggest you go #nitdroid to kick some asses19:13
Flyser__how can I boot a rescue-initrd?19:13
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Flyser__is it possible to boot the default kernel without permanently flashing it to the device?19:19
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ruskieusing flasher... but not flashing it19:20
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ruskiedon't recall it atm...19:20
Flyser__"--flash-only=kernel -l -R" ?19:20
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Flyser__doesnt work :-/19:24
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Flyser__DocScrutinizer: thanks, but the links are dead :-/19:31
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Flyser__nvm. I found the correct files elsewhere19:33
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MohammadAG <-- playlist screenshot19:38
DocScrutinizerI'm so fed up with nitdroid and multiboot and talking users raped by those out of their problems19:39
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javispedrowell they took the easy way to solve an unsourmountable project19:41
DocScrutinizerFlyser__: pretty please go to nitdroid whatever is the place those dudes meet, and kick somebody's ass about this issue19:41
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Flyser__I will ;)19:42
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Flyser__how can I input a slash in the rescue initrd?19:45
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DocScrutinizernobody told so far how to enter / and other special chars there19:50
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DocScrutinizerso if you find a way, please share19:50
Flyser__*sigh* :-/19:50
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Flyser__I don't even understand why booting the default maemo kernel through flasher is not working :-/19:52
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DocScrutinizerprobably modules mismatch19:52
Flyser__the device just turns off after flashing ...19:52
DocScrutinizeror wrong kernel cmdline19:52
Flyser__what kernel cmdline do I have to set?19:53
Flyser__I dont think module mismatch might be the cause19:53
Flyser__I was using the stock kernel before. no power kernel or anything19:53
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DocScrutinizereven when booting a temporary kernel, I'd guess the result would be the same. Multiboot is "userland", not kernel. So whatever kernel you boot, if it's using the existing rootfs and kernel cmdline, you'll end in same empty multiboot menu19:59
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ruskieyou could substitiue the init= param with some rm of the multiboot script20:01
DocScrutinizerbut you'd have to make damn sure what exactly you are doing, as a mere removal of arbitrary scripts might not fix the problem20:02
ruskiehmm shouldn't just removing of that / work?20:02
DocScrutinizeryeah, probably20:02
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Flyser__which partition on mmcblk0 is the rootfs? I cant even execute /bin/sh ...20:17
MohammadAGit's on /dev/mtd520:20
MohammadAGheh dual core A5 by apple20:20
niala1question: when n900 battery is full, icon battery should stop moving?20:22
E0xand a notification msg will show20:23
E0xtelling you it20:23
timeless_officeniala1: i don't think it does20:23
E0xand led will green20:23
timeless_officethe way you know it's "Full" is you get an info banner and potentially a greed led (if you haven't disabled that)20:23
infobottimeless_office meant: the way you know it's "Full" is you get an info banner and potentially a green led (if you haven't disabled that)20:23
alteregoniala1: yes ,and if the screen is off the indicator led should show constant green20:24
niala1it's a second hand, with no doc20:25
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ZogG_laptopruskie, still here, want you to try something20:26
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niala1can i see %  of battery full ?20:34
DocScrutinizertimeless_office: niala1: here the status area battery icon animation stops when battery is full20:35
timeless_officenot when charging20:35
timeless_officeif you unplug, there's a way to get a value20:35
timeless_officedoc: here i can't charge, i just exhaust and swap :)20:36
DocScrutinizerniala1: lshal|grep bat20:36
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Flyser__any idea what might be wrong here: flasher-3.5 -k boot/vmlinuz- -l -b"rootdelay=1 root=/dev/mtdblock5 init=/bin/sh"20:36
Flyser__it fails with "unable to mount rootfs"20:37
DocScrutinizerniala1: lshal|grep battery.charge_level.percentage actually20:37
niala1whereis |20:37
DocScrutinizermtdblock5 never seen20:37
DocScrutinizerisn't that mtdblk20:37
Flyser__mtdblk5 doesn't work either20:38
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ls /dev/mtd*20:38
DocScrutinizer/dev/mtd0    /dev/mtd1    /dev/mtd2    /dev/mtd3    /dev/mtd4    /dev/mtd520:38
Flyser__neither does /dev/mtd520:39
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Flyser__is there a cmdline option to disable the nokia splash screen? that would allow me to use the default kernel20:41
timeless_officeniala1: | is either blue-C (EUR remapped as PIPE - e.g. if you have the hebrew keymap), or it's in the on screen keyboard20:42
ZogG_laptopif (ui->play_bt->text == "Play") < where is my mistake?20:42
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DocScrutinizerFlyser__: I found , it might help to figure how to "do things" in early boot - it looks exactly like my /sbin/preinit20:45
niala1ok nice20:45
DocScrutinizerFlyser__: according to /proc/cmdline (>>init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6<<) preinit is what kernel starts as init process20:45
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Flyser__doesn't boot either :-/ just reboots20:48
Flyser__this sucks big time ... :(20:49
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DocScrutinizererr, sorry. WHAT doesn't boot either?20:51
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Flyser__the default kernel loaded through flasher with your cmdli ne20:51
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DocScrutinizerwell, this cmdline is for normal boot from NAND20:52
Flyser__thats why I was hoping that it works20:52
DocScrutinizerwhat should work? Entering borked multiboot? that can be done by booting the very normal way20:53
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Flyser__yes. that would be a starting point to modify the cmdline into something executing /bin/sh or whatever20:54
DocScrutinizerlook, your system actually boots, as it shows this multiboot menu. It's just not running the normal init process and scripts. So messing with a new kernel won't help at all20:55
Flyser__I understand that. I was going to follow the suggesting to delete /bootmenu.sh20:56
Flyser__but it seems hopeless :-(20:57
DocScrutinizeras ruskie suggested, changing init=/sbin/preinit to init=/bin/rm / (or similar with better syntax) could kick out the multiboot20:57
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Flyser__no it wont ... a) the filesystem is not mounted rw, b) it does not seem possible to supply arguments to commands with "init="20:58
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DocScrutinizeror use rescue-initrd and in shell there mount and cd to / of original rootfs, then `mv`20:59
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Flyser__how can I mount the rootfs if I can not enter /20:59
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lcukFlyser__, the rescue-initrd would have its own / and from there you could attempt to mount/rescue the defective volume21:05
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DocScrutinizerpwd|cut -b 121:10
DocScrutinizermight help somehow21:10
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DocScrutinizerdunno if you got $() or `21:10
Venemoachipa: ping21:11
ruskie$() should work in all posix shs21:11
niala1another question: i need a usb , i have to buy a 'normal' mini usbwire?21:11
DocScrutinizerSLASH=$(pwd|cut -b 1)21:11
pupnikvery nice ip cam viewer with huge list of supported cams...
DocScrutinizerruskie: lcuk: the problem is the fsckdup keymap in rescue-initrd sh21:11
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Flyser__lcuk: how would I mount something without being able to enter a slash21:12
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DocScrutinizerI'd suggest to patch the .profile of rescue-initrd to include some aliases21:12
niala1i need usb to install app on ?21:13
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BCMMniala1: no, any kind of network connection will let you install apps21:13
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niala1just add repo then.. ok21:14
BCMMniala1: some people use USB networking because they don't have a wireless router and don't want to use up their mobile broadband cap21:14
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niala1the seller has keep the microcard :(21:16
BCMMniala1: ?21:16
BCMMif you mean microSD, the n900 doesn't come with one21:17
niala1a second hand n90021:17
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BCMMthere is an empty microSD card slot; you don't need one unless you run out of space21:19
BCMMor want to put your camera's card in there or something21:19
niala1i thinking about meego21:19
ruskieor have a need for it ;)21:19
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niala1well i suppose is not a good idea to test n900fly  !21:20
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niala1i m very happy, this is not a brick at all.21:21
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Flyser__flashing rootfs now -.-"21:25
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DocScrutinizerFlyser__: for helping your ass-kicking:
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piggzFlyser__: you could have just flashed the kernel part, and not the whole rootfs....i did it on the train on sunday after badly installing kernel-power21:40
niala1well, there is any default password for root ?21:40
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niala1please :)21:44
DocScrutinizerpiggz: that's nonsense. The device booted til multiboot menu. So what's a kernel-flashing going to change with that?21:45
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niala1i need to be root to runn ifconfig?21:47
DocScrutinizera new kernel regularly doesn't change the way init process is working21:47
piggzDocScrutinizer: doesnt the kernel live where multimoot has been uboot?21:47
DocScrutinizer/sbin/preinit calls / calls multiboot21:48
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niala1is ifconfig on maemo?21:49
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steve___niala1: yes you need root21:49
steve___niala1: Are you familiar with ssh?21:49
slonopotamus_niala1: /[usr/]sbin/ifconfig21:49
slonopotamus_niala1: right, just sbin21:50
niala1ty . is there any default password? or the seller has put in his? sorry for my englidh21:50
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njsfSc0rpius: ping21:50
slonopotamus_niala1: install rootsh, then run "root" in terminal, then "passwd" and set whatever password you want21:51
divanniala1, there is no default password21:51
DocScrutinizer51use 'root' instead of su21:51
steve___niala1: you need to install a package to get root access.  Are you familiar with ssh?21:51
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niala1²ssh yes, but i haven't usb wire21:51
DocScrutinizer51onstall pkg rootsh21:51
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DocScrutinizer51use 'root' instead of su21:52
DocScrutinizer51no password21:52
niala1well, i suppose it's better for a second hand to erase and flash the device21:52
DocScrutinizersee on how to enable proper root password for 'root'21:53
slonobotTitle of DocScrutinizer's link: User:Joerg rw/tools - wiki21:53
slonopotamus_slonobot: o_O21:53
slonobotNo such factoid 'o_O'; did you mean [global channel] goto or oreo?21:53
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steve___niala1: If you plan on using ssh, then install openssh and you will get root access21:53
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niala1ty all21:54
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ZogG_laptophow do i make Label in Qt to change all the time as value of text is changed?21:59
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ZogG_laptopruskie, artist and title now shows up but doesn't change with the song =)22:00
pupniksometime in 2011 we might get The Last Express playing on N90022:02
divanZogG_laptop, connect text changed signal to slot function which updates label. If no such signal, emit it when text is changed,22:02
pupnikso buy it and download it :)22:02
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ZogG_laptopdivan, i have function that actually change the label22:02
ZogG_laptopset the label22:03
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ZogG_laptophow do i connect the signal22:03
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divanZogG, first of all, do you have a signal which is emitted when the text changes?22:05
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ZogG_laptopdivan, i dunno what ya talking as i'm really really new and noob to Qt22:06
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ZogG_laptopi never understand mans or tuts, i need to see an example to understand but lemme check22:06
divanZogG_laptop, Qt docs are super easy. It's not like man reading :)22:07
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divanActually, docs are one of the primary Qt's pros22:07
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ZogG_laptopi could a loop but it would be stupid22:11
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ZogG_laptopso actually i have to make 2 functions22:11
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ZogG_laptopone is getting the data and other is setting and connect them?22:12
Flyser__I fear I might have bricked my whole device. I can't flash my device anymore. flasher does not detect the device anymore O_o22:12
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ZogG_laptopFlyser__, does it detct it before? what system? battery state? more info?22:12
Flyser__but it shows up in dmesg and it still boots into multiboot22:12
divanZogG_laptop, connect(song_changer, SIGNAL(songChanged(QString)), my_gui_class, SLOT(updateLabel(QString)));22:12
Flyser__ZogG_laptop: before what? maemo 5, battery should be nearly full22:12
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ZogG_laptopFlyser__, what do u want and have?22:13
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ZogG_laptopdivan, am i right?22:13
Flyser__ZogG_laptop: I want and have Maemo 5 PR 1.322:13
DocScrutinizerFlyser__: battery low22:14
ZogG_laptopFlyser__, and what do u have now?22:14
Flyser__ZogG_laptop: Maemo 5 PR 1.3 ;)22:14
infobotwell, flashing is
divanZogG_laptop, yes.22:14
Flyser__DocScrutinizer: okay, I will leave it charging for a while22:14
DocScrutinizerdo you think it's charging when sitting in multiboot menu? It's not22:15
Flyser__no, but it should charge if it is not booted at all22:15
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ZogG_laptopdivan i don't get it. do i have to make a function to check if the song is changed or just function of getting data is enuf?22:15
Flyser__well. if it "appears" to be not booted at all ;)22:15
DocScrutinizeryou *might* be lucky and it enters charging state when you plug in charger to switched off device22:16
Flyser__yes, thats what I am doing now22:16
Flyser__a pulsing LED should indicate that its charging, right?22:16
DocScrutinizerFlyser__: that's called ACT_DEAD and actually is a fully booted state, without display22:16
DocScrutinizeryes, flashing LED indicates charging usually22:16
Flyser__I know that^^22:16
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divanZogG_laptop, I don't know the architecture of your application. But if you want to use Qt you definitely should understand signals/slots model of Qt. It's easy.22:19
ZogG_laptopdivan, i did it and i did it wrong as it's not working22:20
ZogG_laptopmind to see the code?22:20
divanZogG_laptop, so basically you need a signal which will be emitted when song is changed, and you need a slot which will recieve the signal and update the label.22:20
divanZogG_laptop, try )22:20
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ZogG_laptopfunny changed code and now i get unrelevant errors in random places =022:22
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pupnikgood luck with the xmms2 hacking ZogG_laptop ...22:23
pupnikbtw hows the cpu usage (@ 250mhz)... mplayer taking up 26% cpu here, plus 15 for pa22:23
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pupnikwell with a 192kb/s mp322:25
pupnikwith a low bitrate mono mp3 it uses about 17%22:25
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ZogG_laptopdivan, signal means if for exapmle i have X and it's changed in app so it would send signal, than it would check automatic as i declared it as signal or i need to make function that always check that?22:26
Flyser__DocScrutinizer: flashing works again. thanks22:28
pupnikif you ain't usin 'locate' you missin out!22:29
pupnikfo' shizzle22:29
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divanZogG_laptop, none of these. Let's speak in terms of your task :) You need to declare signal songChanged() and emit it when song is changed. When and from where will you emit it depends on architecture of you application. If you have some class which does the song changing you can emit signal directly from that function. If you don't have any control of song changing, and can only check/poll it, then you have to make check functions which will wait for song cha22:33
divannge and emit the signal. Again, depends on your architecture, the signal may not be needed at all - maybe you can call labelUpdate() function directly from check/songChange function. :)22:33
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ZogG_laptopi'm confused now22:35
ZogG_laptopi changed my original code and now i'm even more confused22:36
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MohammadAGreading examples helps :)22:36
ZogG_laptopi'm trying my best22:36
ZogG_laptopat the end i'll do it anyway =)22:36
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E0xZogG_laptop: just for curiosity , what kind of app are you doing ?22:41
ZogG_laptopxmms2 client22:42
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ZogG_laptopi'm tierd22:44
ZogG_laptopi'll try to continue after22:44
ZogG_laptops i'll confused with this slots and signals22:44
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Flyser__While reinstalling my newly flashed (-.-) maemo I am wondering why the Community SSU blocks mymenu (or the other way around)?22:56
Sc0rpiusdefine "block"22:57
Flyser__wait. that was wrong ...22:58
Flyser__"mymenu: Depends: mp-fremantle-generic-pr (>= 2.2009.51-1) but it is not going to be installed"22:58
Flyser__this is introduced by the community ssu22:58
Sc0rpiusmp-fremantle-community-pr is introduced by the community ssu22:59
Sc0rpiusI guess the generic is Maemo stuff, are you sure you have PR1.3?22:59
Flyser__and cssu: 20.2010.36-2maemo12.523:00
Flyser__maybe "mp-fremantle-community-pr" replaces "mp-fremantle-generic-pr" and mymenu can't depend on it anymore?23:01
Sc0rpiusyes definitely23:01
Sc0rpiuslooking at the description of mp-fremantle-community-pr:23:01
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Sc0rpiusReplaces: mp-fremantle-generic-pr, mp-fremantle-203-pr, mp-fremantle-002-pr, mp-fremantle-003-pr23:01
Sc0rpiusI wonder if that needs a:23:02
merlin1991why on earth does it depend on mp-fremantle-generic-pr anyway23:02
Sc0rpiusProvides: mp-fremantle-generic-pr23:02
Sc0rpiusok that's a better question23:02
Flyser__merlin1991: because it requires PR1.223:02
Flyser__or newer23:02
merlin1991well it could depend on the actual component it needs to have @ pr1.2 level23:02
merlin1991and not the specific metapackage for the system23:02
Sc0rpiusbecause it doesn't need the whole PR1.2 system23:03
Sc0rpiusjust a couple of new packages maybe23:03
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Flyser__well ... as I am not the developer of mymenu, I am looking for an easier solution for my problem23:03
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Sc0rpiusso you should rant via email to the author of mymenu23:03
merlin1991edit the deb23:03
Sc0rpiuswhat is mymenu for anyway23:03
merlin1991Change the menu structure of Maemo 5 include a update funktion for new Apps23:03
Flyser__its like categorise or ApMeFo23:03
Sc0rpiusthen install ApMeFo, it's superior23:03
Flyser__but harder to use ...23:04
merlin1991Flyser__, just edit the .deb file23:04
Sc0rpiusif you have Scratchbox, apt-get source mymenu23:04
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Sc0rpiusthen modify the debian/control file23:04
Sc0rpiusthen fakeroot dpkg buildpackage -b23:04
Sc0rpiusthen scp the .deb to your phone23:05
Sc0rpiusthen dpkg -i .deb file23:05
Sc0rpiusI don't think you can vi the .deb file or can you merlin1991 ?23:05
merlin1991Sc0rpius, you can't vi it but unpack and repack23:05
Sc0rpiusI think we all agree it's mymenu's fault23:06
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merlin1991Sc0rpius, The internals of this Debian binary packages format are described in the deb(5) manual page. This internal format is subject to change (between major releases of Debian GNU/Linux), therefore please always use dpkg-deb(1) if you need to do lowlevel manipulations on .deb files.23:06
Flyser__deb files are .ar files, so one can unpack them using the ar utility23:07
merlin1991or dpkg-deb :D23:07
Flyser__right  ;)23:08
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DocScrutinizerdpkg --force-depends ?23:11
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merlin1991dpkg --force-cookies23:14
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kerioForce Bacon sounds like the best jedi power23:15
Flyser__Sc0rpius: btw. why is ApMeFo superior23:15
BCMMkerio: nah, that's where they get the force from23:15
BCMMeating force bacon.23:15
Sc0rpiusdunno, maybe because it's the one everybody uses?23:15
Sc0rpiusI like it23:15
lcukkerio, yoda uses the power of the force to flip bacon rashers without using them littlefork things23:16
Sc0rpiustry --force-depends like DocScrutinizer says, it's faster than unpack/repack23:16
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steve___I have a computer and n900 connected to an access point.  The computer is connected via ethernet; the n900 via wireless.  Average ping times to the n900 are 235ms.23:27
steve___Any idea why this is so high?23:27
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keriosteve___: botched powersaving maybe23:28
keriodisable it from the n90023:28
kerio(to check, i mean)23:28
Flyser__and ping times *from* the n900?23:28
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steve___kerio: disable power saving on the n900?23:29
kerioyeah, for the wifi23:29
Flyser__rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 43.678/193.457/359.926/95.127 ms23:29
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Flyser__same szenario23:29
Sc0rpiusrtt min/avg/max/mdev = 33.040/97.985/150.770/35.539 ms23:30
steve___Flyser__: pinging from the n900 its around 50ms23:30
infobotFlyser__ meant: same scenario23:30
Sc0rpiusno way near your scenario.23:30
Sc0rpiuswell I pinged from the computer23:30
Sc0rpiusto the N90023:30
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Flyser__so did I23:31
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Flyser__for ping -f : rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.214/3.139/62.511/3.107 ms23:31
Flyser__so its pretty much a non-issue23:31
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Flyser__great ... apmefo does not work at all -.-23:36
LjLis ogg-support in OS2008 not supposed to give you Ogg tags in the player?23:38
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