IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-03-02

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DocScrutinizer	anyway tell me when it learned to display current playlist, and to list videos as textlist with full title rather than thumbnails of random scenes out of the video	00:24
DocScrutinizer	I'm eager to give it a real test	00:24
DocScrutinizer	uh, and search of course	00:25
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MohammadAG	heh	00:25
DocScrutinizer	preferrably file hirarchy view	00:25
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DocScrutinizer	I'm quite capable of moving my mp3 to the right subdirectory, and I don't want to lose that info introduced by that sorting work	00:27
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MohammadAG	if only someone with gstreamer skills could modify mafw-gst-renderer to include gapless playback	00:28
MohammadAG	I'll try to work on the mediaplayer in the morning	00:28
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Corsac	MohammadAG: that'd be really sweet yes	00:31
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DocScrutinizer	gapless mafw-gst-renderer(whatever that is) isn't a patch or tweak, but a mayor redesign, for all I know	00:36
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, it's a patch	00:37
DocScrutinizer	aiui the whole concept of gstreamer is basing on one pipe setup per file to playback	00:37
MohammadAG	Nokia's using playbin2	00:37
MohammadAG	in mafw	00:37
MohammadAG	playbin2 somehow supports gapless playback	00:37
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MohammadAG	so we need to listen to the about-to-finish signal and pass the next item to the sink	00:37
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DocScrutinizer	umm	00:38
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MohammadAG	next item would be currentItem()+1 from the currently assigned playlist	00:39
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DocScrutinizer	if it wasn't that boring to me, I'd check the PIDs of all the processes involved in playback of a song, then see if they change for next song, I.E. if any of those processes terminates when the current song is finished	00:42
DocScrutinizer	obviously starting a new process means there's a massive obstacle for clickfree gapless	00:42
MohammadAG	yeah	00:43
MohammadAG	and a massive laziness while coding	00:43
MohammadAG	ideally, mafw should use one sink for all	00:43
MohammadAG	well, a sink for audio and a sink for video	00:43
DocScrutinizer	yeah, but that's not what the gstreamer concept looks alike, for all I've seen about it	00:44
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DocScrutinizer	actually htop with [x]show threads, [x]different color for threads, F5(tree) is rather nice to watch abominations like 1 main and 7 hidden threads for PA, while NOT playing any audio	01:05
DocScrutinizer	well /usr/sbin/browserd -s 3327 -n RTComMessagingS isn't any better :-D, 1 main and 6 hidden, /usr/sbin/browserd -d even 2 visible childs and sigma 12 child threads	01:09
jacekowski	these are pthreads	01:09
DocScrutinizer	yo	01:09
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jacekowski	otherwise called light treads	01:09
internetishard	can anyone get soundcloud.com to work on their n900?	01:09
jacekowski	not anything to be too worried about	01:09
jacekowski	pa itself is a problem	01:10
DocScrutinizer	yoh	01:10
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DocScrutinizer	well, actually pthreads aren't especially greedy or hogging	01:11
DocScrutinizer	anyway, just interesting, and if I could be arsed to lift it and move it over to N900 to playback some songs via mediaplayer, this htop display would probably tell us some interesting story	01:12
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DocScrutinizer	well, /usr/bin/mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-renderer 10..14% CPU, /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority 19..25%	01:17
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DocScrutinizer	all threads together it's more like 14..19% and 25..35%	01:24
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DocScrutinizer	@250Mhz (95.8%) though	01:27
_0x47	anyone here who could give me a hint on SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE?	01:27
_0x47	!rape DocScrutinizer	01:28
_0x47	~rape DocScrutinizer	01:28
* infobot takes DocScrutinizer behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams		01:28
_0x47	haha	01:28
_0x47	well nn then	01:29
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Spydemon	hello all ;-)	01:31
Spydemon	is Maemo only use by the N900 smartphone ?	01:31
DocScrutinizer	yes	01:31
DocScrutinizer	no	01:31
DocScrutinizer	well	01:31
DocScrutinizer	it's also used by N8x0 tablets	01:32
DocScrutinizer	which aren't exactly smartphones	01:32
DocScrutinizer	an older version of maemo though	01:32
javispedro	770!	01:32
Spydemon	ok i don't know this tablets ^^	01:33
Venemo	Spydemon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N810 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770	01:34
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: I was saucy to ignore 770 :-P	01:35
SpeedEvil	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N950	01:35
SpeedEvil	hmm	01:35
DocScrutinizer	as I'm not even sure if those ran maemo X-D	01:35
* SpeedEvil ponders lullage.		01:36
DocScrutinizer	LOL	01:36
DocScrutinizer	Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name - MEH	01:36
Venemo	DocScrutinizer: yes, 770 ran Maemo	01:39
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DocScrutinizer	thought it's been SCO unix or sth ;-P	01:40
DocScrutinizer	minix	01:40
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Spydemon	i'm interested in the N900 buying, principally for Maemo, but i have understand that his developpement is more and more slower	01:41
Spydemon	it's the same about his community ? ^^	01:42
DocScrutinizer	Ultrix-11	01:42
javispedro	bs, he's growing moustache every day	01:42
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DocScrutinizer	Spydemon: it's not getting slower, it matures	01:44
javispedro	seems that our little friend abill_uk got tired of pestering in the omap "swap in upgrade" thread and now wants wp7 on his non-upgraded n900.	01:44
SpeedEvil	swap in upgrade?	01:45
DocScrutinizer	mehehe	01:45
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DocScrutinizer	omap3640	01:45
SpeedEvil	Oh - upgrading the omap?	01:45
SpeedEvil	You can in principle upgrade to the faster speed grade of the current processor.	01:45
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SpeedEvil	But I really doubt the 36 would be pin compatibl	01:45
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DocScrutinizer	with a pile of 3 512MB POPs	01:46
javispedro	oh, come to think of it	01:46
javispedro	there's actually a newer speed grade of the current processor -- the omap3440	01:46
SpeedEvil	yeah	01:46
SpeedEvil	720MHz?	01:46
DocScrutinizer	WOOOOOW¡	01:46
* javispedro checks		01:46
javispedro	wikipedia says 800Mhz	01:47
SpeedEvil	oh - 800	01:47
DocScrutinizer	WOOOooooooOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOoooooOOoOooooooOOW¡	01:47
javispedro	BRING IN ABILL_UK -- I NEED HIS MAD COW SKILLS!	01:47
* DocScrutinizer cackles		01:47
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DocScrutinizer	ow if it turned out new N900 are equipped with 3440 just for the availability of chips, that'd be news	01:49
DocScrutinizer	Now*	01:49
DocScrutinizer	alas I think there are no new N900	01:49
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javispedro	:(	01:49
SpeedEvil	It's called the n950 :)	01:49
kerio	omfg	01:50
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javispedro	I want my omap5!	01:51
javispedro	4 ARM cores, dual-channel DDR3	01:51
SpeedEvil	Assymetric multicore would be realy interesting.	01:53
jacekowski	well, omap is pretty much that	01:53
SpeedEvil	I mean assumetric multicore, with them binary compatible.	01:53
SpeedEvil	Say a core tuned for low power.	01:53
Spydemon	I'll certainly buy a N900 soon, so i would may be join you in the Maemo community :-)	01:53
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jacekowski	Spydemon: it's dying community	01:54
SpeedEvil	Or with soft instructions that gcc doesn't use.	01:54
DocScrutinizer	could we change that "don't use /usr/share/applications/hildon" ticket to a comprehensive "fix your .desktop sh*t, Nokia!"? Comment: Don't use hildon subdir, don't use version=57.1337 as 1.0 is the only valid value, don't use name=tana_fi_foo_bar_micmacmucx style getttext.po shit in .desktop and stick to freedesktop L10n	01:54
jacekowski	Spydemon: wait until everything clarifies	01:54
* divan going to buy second N900 )		01:54
jacekowski	Spydemon: like for example n950 is release	01:54
jacekowski	released*	01:55
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: woot?	01:55
jacekowski	i'm pretty sure normal l10n was working as well	01:55
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: one cmd to explain it all: less /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop	01:56
Spydemon	jacekowski, N950 seems to look uglier than N900 :-(	01:57
divan	Spydemon, nobody saw N950.	01:57
Spydemon	so pictures on Internet are fake, okok	01:58
divan	The photos in internet articles are author's assumptions based on some Nokia leakes prototype pictures.	01:58
jacekowski	Spydemon: n900 is not manufactured anymore	01:58
jacekowski	Spydemon: not supported	01:58
divan	s/leakes/leaked/	01:58
infobot	divan meant: The photos in internet articles are author's assumptions based on some Nokia leaked prototype pictures.	01:58
jacekowski	Spydemon: and without nokia support platform will die in couple months	01:59
Spydemon	jacekowski, it's sade.. :-(	02:00
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: that's not entirely correct. You still get same amount of support you got a year ago, hell you even get a newer OS, and for sure you still can buy unused "new" N900	02:00
divan	Spydemon, it will not die. I don't agree with jacekowski.	02:00
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* DocScrutinizer neither		02:01
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DocScrutinizer	Spydemon: just make absolutely clear on your expectations. Don't buy the device for what it might (or most likely will not) become eventually - check if it meets your needs today	02:02
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jacekowski	yeah	02:03
jacekowski	nokia maps	02:03
DocScrutinizer	don't hope for a bright future if the present isn't what you like	02:03
jacekowski	future will be only darker	02:03
Spydemon	my phone broke down last week and and i was interested by the N900. So it's a good idea or not ? I didn't have the time to wait until N950 come out :x	02:04
DocScrutinizer	not exactly much darker, but for sure not much brighter either	02:04
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Spydemon	i need a regular smartphone	02:04
DocScrutinizer	If I hadn't already two of them, I'd buy another N900 tomorrow. Hell, I might do anyway	02:04
SpeedEvil	If I was in themarket for a new phone, the only one that would suit me is then900.	02:04
Spydemon	not more, not less	02:04
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SpeedEvil	The n900 does not have any fart apps.	02:05
DocScrutinizer	N900 is all but a regular smartphone	02:05
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DocScrutinizer	it's more like the smallest 600MHz laptop with a cheesy phone built in	02:06
DocScrutinizer	if you're in for a "regular smartphone" then get an iPhone or andridiot device	02:07
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DocScrutinizer	duh, timeless_w7ip using a wp7 iphone?	02:10
Spydemon	SpeedEvil, i know, N900 is the only phone that i know which work with an open source platform. And i'm able to make myself lot of software "for computer". So i hope that i will able to make some apps out for him	02:10
DocScrutinizer	so you're using linux on your "computer"?	02:11
Spydemon	DocScrutinizer, yes	02:11
Spydemon	Archlinux	02:12
DocScrutinizer	so you'll probably love N900	02:12
Spydemon	if you know ^^	02:12
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: my guess: "windows 7 IdeaPad"	02:12
javispedro	aka the lenovo table	02:12
javispedro	*tablet	02:12
DocScrutinizer	cough	02:12
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Spydemon	i hope the SDK is good x)	02:13
javispedro	what sdk	02:13
DocScrutinizer	maemo sdk	02:13
javispedro	they just point you to gcc! that should be enough!	02:13
Spydemon	yes maemo sdk for n900	02:13
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DocScrutinizer	maemo is pretty much a standard linux as far as it's about app development	02:15
DocScrutinizer	X, bash, gcc, all you're used to. Of course you need some crosscompiling setup which is usually scratchbox for maemo	02:16
KaffeeJunky123	does scratchbox support custom paths for it's chroot environment?	02:18
KaffeeJunky123	because it took to much space on my root partition, I tend to keep that small and throw all kind of stuff in /home and /opt wich are on different partitions	02:18
DocScrutinizer	the rest is about Qt and some special libs for special mobile phone things: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Alarm_Framework	02:19
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javispedro	/scratchbox can also be a mount point	02:19
Spydemon	DocScrutinizer, yes but it exist a library specific for the N900 for catching key press or, for use the vibrator for exemple, aren't ?	02:19
javispedro	no because key presses come the standard way, and no because the vibrator can't be used by apps =)	02:19
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Spydemon	with Maemo we can't use the phone's vibrator ??	02:20
DocScrutinizer	catching keys is done like on every linux system, usually via X. Vibrator there's a process called mce that controlls it, you talk to mce via dbus to make vibrator start	02:20
Spydemon	okok :-)	02:21
jonwil	You can definatly use the vibrator, look in the mce-dev package to see the right dbus calls to make	02:22
javispedro	that's hardly use -- you're talking about patterns et all?	02:22
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DocScrutinizer	well, you are free to directly access /sys/vib/brightness, but that will probably only work for short clicks as mce will shut it off again	02:23
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jonwil	Check MCE_START_MANUAL_VIBRATION	02:24
DocScrutinizer	errr wut?	02:24
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: exactly	02:24
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DocScrutinizer	undocumented feature via dbus or what?	02:24
javispedro	(this is one of the usecases I've added to the mce bug report.... Linux has a quite nice API for vibrators. The MCE one isn't)	02:25
jonwil	MCE_START_MANUAL_VIBRATION is documented in the mce-dev package	02:25
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: what is it?	02:26
jonwil	read the mce-dev header to see what it is :)	02:26
DocScrutinizer	:-S	02:26
DocScrutinizer	tell me the cmdline you used to verify it works on maemo5	02:27
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Spydemon	thank for your answers. I'll go to bed now. It's late in France :-P	02:27
Spydemon	bye all, i'll see you soon ;-)	02:27
DocScrutinizer	yw	02:27
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Spydemon	thanks ;-)	02:28
jonwil	I havent tested it but its definatly present in the Maemo5 vibrator code	02:28
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DocScrutinizer	mmmpf	02:29
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_start_manual_vibration int32:255 int32:1500	02:30
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DocScrutinizer	Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "req_start_manual_vibration" with signature "ii" on interface "com.nokia.mce.request" doesn't exist	02:30
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javispedro	there you have.	02:31
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Sujith	hi guys	02:31
Sujith	i am having a settings doubt on N900,,,	02:31
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Sujith	any one pls help me on it	02:31
Sujith	i need help on activating gprs settings	02:32
DocScrutinizer	~ask	02:32
infobot	Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will.	02:32
Sujith	can anyone tell me how to find destinations option under connectivity menu	02:32
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Sujith	because i need to set up free mobile web from my mobile provider	02:33
DocScrutinizer	errr	02:33
Sujith	do u know about it doc?	02:33
Sujith	bcoz i am surfing thru the net for days to find it	02:33
Sujith	pls help me wit it	02:34
DocScrutinizer	I thought I know how to set up GPRS, but I don't understand your problem (yet?)	02:34
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DocScrutinizer	please report the steps you took	02:34
Sujith	Nokia n 900 go to Menu and then to the settings> Connectivity> Destinations> New AN type Pocket internet Account name: lycamobile Access Point Name: data.lycamobile.co.uk user name : lmuk password : plus Authentication type: normal proxy: no proxy address: proxy port: home page: www.lycamobile.com.	02:34
DocScrutinizer	I'll holler as soon as something isn't correct	02:34
javispedro	oh.	02:35
Sujith	thats the settings that i have to input on my mobile,,	02:35
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Sujith	but i am struck after getting through settings and connectivity,,i could not find destinations,,	02:35
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javispedro	DocScrutinizer: vibrator thing works on mine :P (PR1.3?)	02:35
DocScrutinizer	:nod:	02:35
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Sujith	can u understand me now, mr.doc	02:36
DocScrutinizer	Sujith: trying to duplicate your steps	02:36
* javispedro ponders if I could map the simpler effects on top of this dbus api		02:37
Sujith	ok sure,,	02:37
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jonwil	bah, the MCE vibrator plugin is too complex to reverse engineer :( And there is no vibrator code in the MeeGo MCE tree to study :(	02:37
Sujith	try finding the destination option under your connectivity ,,,	02:37
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DocScrutinizer	settings, internetconections, (menu with "automatic" "interval 10min" "[x] connect WLAN if available" shows) -> click "connections"	02:38
javispedro	jonwil: but... why??? I do not think what it does is a secret, it's just missing someone with time to code it.	02:39
jonwil	Its doing more than just simple vibrator activation	02:39
javispedro	patterns, and ... ?	02:39
Sujith	ya,,,i just done what you have said,,	02:39
DocScrutinizer	Sujith: from the list of connections select the one with two arrows in a white circle	02:39
DocScrutinizer	if there's none, select "new" and GPRS	02:40
Sujith	yeah,,i did it ,,i selected the one you told	02:40
Sujith	do i have to edit it or press done ?	02:40
DocScrutinizer	select "edit"	02:40
Sujith	yeah,,done,,,	02:40
Sujith	next step ?	02:40
DocScrutinizer	Connection name: "jadhjahjökh " connection type: packet data shows	02:41
DocScrutinizer	chose a nice name for your GPRS connection	02:41
Sujith	yeah ,,done that too	02:41
Sujith	i think my name would be very nice	02:41
DocScrutinizer	click "continue"	02:41
DocScrutinizer	enter APN name, username, password, as you got told by your carrier/provider	02:42
Sujith	yeah,,,everything so far done as mentioned by my provider,	02:42
DocScrutinizer	quite frequently username and password are empty, or both are "internet" or sth like that	02:43
Sujith	do i have to go to advanced settings	02:43
Sujith	or just press finish	02:43
DocScrutinizer	usually not. should just work	02:43
Sujith	sure,,will give a try	02:43
DocScrutinizer	press finish and test it	02:43
Sujith	should i allow data roaming or not?	02:44
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DocScrutinizer	err, where's that choice?	02:44
Sujith	when i just selected the connection,,it is asking for '' allow data roaming '' yes or no	02:45
Sujith	i have to proceed this step to get connected,i think	02:45
DocScrutinizer	heh, so you're not in your SIM card's home network	02:46
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DocScrutinizer	data roaming usually is A) expensive and/or B) doesn't work at all	02:46
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Sujith	no no,,,i am in the limits of the provider,,	02:47
Sujith	yeah,,i did it,,,	02:48
Sujith	its connected,,,	02:48
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Sujith	thanks a lot for your help mr.doc,,,	02:48
DocScrutinizer	in settings - phone you can select network ( "auto", "manual") On "manual" you can forbid roaming, so data wouldn't roam either	02:48
Sujith	i am very glad that i got helped by this forum,,thanx a lot to this forum,,	02:49
DocScrutinizer	yw	02:49
KaffeeJunky123	this is an IRC	02:50
KaffeeJunky123	o_o	02:50
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Sujith	can i install new themes to my mobile,,	02:50
DocScrutinizer	yes	02:50
Sujith	and my phone is quite slow,,,	02:50
Sujith	is there any way i can make it fast,,	02:50
DocScrutinizer	don't start too many apps at once	02:51
Sujith	slow in the sense,,,while closing applications,	02:51
Sujith	oh ,,,thats right,,i do start too many apps,,,i should avoid it,,thanx	02:51
DocScrutinizer	esp don't keep browser open	02:51
Sujith	one more thing is that,,i tried to install Sleep Analyser application	02:52
Sujith	i could just download it,,,but while installation,,it says some files missing	02:52
Sujith	and i couldnt continue installation	02:52
DocScrutinizer	it's a hoax, and I never tried it. So sorry can't help	02:52
Sujith	oh its ok ,,,no probs,,	02:52
Sujith	i just installed a theme,,	02:53
Sujith	and i dont know where it got installed	02:53
DocScrutinizer	settings - themes	02:53
Sujith	oh yeah,,i got it,,thanx again,,	02:53
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DocScrutinizer	time for 12648430 ☕	02:54
Sujith	i am getting 10 mb free everyday,,	02:54
DocScrutinizer	should suffice for basics	02:55
Sujith	usually a web page is just 10 kb,,is that ri8	02:55
DocScrutinizer	depends	02:55
Sujith	oh ok ok,,	02:55
DocScrutinizer	some are incredibly huge just for the shiny shit	02:55
Sujith	hehehe,,thats right too	02:55
Sujith	by the way,,are you a forum member,,,or just a guest like me,,	02:56
Sujith	because u seem to know almost everything,mr.doc	02:56
DocScrutinizer	you can check data volume used, in xterm: ifconfig	02:56
DocScrutinizer	we are al just guests here	02:56
Sujith	oh thats fantastic,,	02:57
Sujith	how to check the data i used,,	02:57
Sujith	if i type ifconfig in xterminal it says not found	02:57
DocScrutinizer	you got rootsh installed?	02:57
Sujith	no,,i dont think so,,	02:57
DocScrutinizer	install rootsh, in xterm type 'root'	02:57
Sujith	i have just installed many silly games,,can you tell me how to remove it,,,	02:58
DocScrutinizer	the ifconfig works -take care, you're root then	02:58
DocScrutinizer	same way you installed them	02:58
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Sujith	oh ok,,so application manager does that trick,,i am clear..thanks again	02:59
DocScrutinizer	start app manager, left of the 3 choices is "installed apps"	02:59
Sujith	but,,the root u guided me to install doesnt work	02:59
Sujith	it again say not found ,,,	02:59
DocScrutinizer	in appmanager install package "rootsh"	02:59
DocScrutinizer	then maybe reboot (dunno if that's needed)	03:00
DocScrutinizer	then in xterm type root	03:00
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Sujith	i cant find rootsh in app.manager	03:00
DocScrutinizer	errrm	03:01
Sujith	i hav only few apps left to install	03:01
DocScrutinizer	you need extras catalog	03:01
DocScrutinizer	and you need an update if extras isn't enabled by default	03:01
Sujith	yeah,,i dont have extras..	03:01
DocScrutinizer	what's your system version? (settings - about product)	03:02
Sujith	cool,,i ll search now and give you	03:02
DocScrutinizer	or productinfo	03:02
Sujith	Version : 10.2010	03:03
DocScrutinizer	more please	03:03
Sujith	yeah	03:03
Sujith	10.2010.19-1.003	03:03
Sujith	thats the thing,,,	03:03
DocScrutinizer	that's PR1.2	03:03
Sujith	oh	03:03
Sujith	what does that mean,,	03:04
DocScrutinizer	should be fine, dunno why your extras repo is disabled	03:04
DocScrutinizer	PR1.3 is recent version	03:04
DocScrutinizer	I'm on PR1.2 as well here	03:04
Sujith	can i update to the latest version	03:04
DocScrutinizer	you probably should do that	03:04
Sujith	how could i do that,,,mr.doc..	03:05
DocScrutinizer	appmanager, updates, maemo-bla-bla system update	03:05
nox-	better do that on wifi tho i guess... :)	03:05
DocScrutinizer	you'll want to uninstall all that games crap prior to that, so it has enough free space	03:06
DocScrutinizer	yes, definitely not a good idea to run update over GPRS	03:06
Sujith	yeah,,	03:06
Sujith	its pretty slow,,	03:06
DocScrutinizer	anyway, for now you could just enable extras catalog, and install rootsh	03:06
Sujith	and as u said,,i hav a lot of crap games	03:06
Sujith	and i should remove those,,	03:07
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Sujith	is ther any better things to do with N900 ?	03:08
Sujith	any tips to keep the phone last long time ?	03:09
lcuk	don't play n900fly.	03:09
DocScrutinizer51	take care about your USB, or it will break and destroy the phone	03:09
nox-	disconnect from network when not in use, dont keep unneeded apps running, etc	03:10
Sujith	sorry i heard your warning aa bit late,,	03:10
Sujith	i broke the USB plate	03:10
Sujith	and i am struggling,,	03:10
Sujith	is ther any way i can sort it out,,	03:10
lcuk	play angry birds	03:10
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Sujith	doc,, are you there,,	03:11
Sujith	is there anyone ,,who could help me,, because my USB plate is broken in my N900	03:13
Sujith	can anyone help me with a suggestion	03:13
jonwil	If its broken, you will probably need to take it to Nokia to get it fixed	03:13
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jonwil	or send it to Nokia if there is no Nokia Care facility in your area	03:14
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lcuk	Sujith, you came into channel about half an hour ago asking about gprs	03:14
Sujith	but i bought bak in india,,and the warranty is limited in india only,,,	03:14
Sujith	and now i am in UK now,,	03:15
lcuk	not about your usb (which I would guess would take priority)	03:15
lcuk	how come you only mention usb after doc brought it up?	03:15
Sujith	sorry lcuk,,i couldnt get you	03:15
lcuk	well talking about games and connections and stuff	03:15
lcuk	are assuming your device happily charges	03:16
Sujith	can u help me with that broken USB stick	03:16
lcuk	if my usb were broken and did not charge, i would not be messing with games	03:16
lcuk	Sujith, jonwil just answered	03:16
lcuk	the only answer there is	03:16
Sujith	i have a limited warranty problem too	03:17
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Sujith	that i can repair back in india where i bought,,, but onw in UK	03:17
lcuk	so what is up with your usb	03:17
lcuk	what symptoms do you have	03:17
Sujith	i couldnt do anything with the USB	03:17
Sujith	either charging or data transfer,,	03:17
lcuk	like what?	03:18
lcuk	right	03:18
lcuk	did it ever work?	03:18
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Sujith	it never worked for two months,,because i was bit playful wit the USB stick,,plugging and unplugging often	03:18
Sujith	so it got broken	03:18
lcuk	well then go and be playful with the repair people	03:19
Sujith	heheheh,,,cool,,,	03:19
Sujith	do you know will it work if i just replace the USB plate in a local shop	03:20
Sujith	and will the replacement last long	03:20
jonwil	If you can find someone who can fix it with the right part, it should work	03:20
lcuk	I can consult my crystal ball for you if you like.	03:20
jonwil	but you will loose any warranty you have	03:20
jonwil	How long the replacement lasts depends on how rough you are with it	03:20
jonwil	and how good the replacment part is	03:20
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Sujith	oh thaks jonwil,,,	03:21
Sujith	thanx 4 d info guys,,,,	03:21
Sujith	this forum really helped a lot,,,thanx to the organiser and maemo support,,,	03:22
Sujith	i appreciate that,,	03:22
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DocScrutinizer	meh, he's gone	03:53
DocScrutinizer	was about to suggest http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/repair/repair/warranty	03:53
ptl	there WILL BE a n950	03:55
ptl	nokia announced	03:55
DocScrutinizer	uhuh	03:55
ptl	with Meego, of course	03:55
ptl	very nice	03:55
DocScrutinizer	[citation needed]	03:55
jonwil	At this point, nothing short of a device I can buy is going to make any real difference :P	03:56
javispedro	they're talking about this year's "meego" device that elop mentioned half a month ago	03:56
ptl	CTO Rich Green said that during the Nokia Developer Day	03:56
ptl	http://www.gsmarena.com/nokias_meego_device_will_be_called_n950_will_be_out_this_year-news-2372.php	03:56
javispedro	at MWC. I was there.....	03:56
DocScrutinizer	I guess that has been more in the past than just yesterday - so it's obsolete, forget it	03:57
javispedro	well elop mentioned it post elopcalypse	03:57
javispedro	the "n950" name, and even it being a phone is just the press adding their crap and speculatino over the facts.	03:58
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DocScrutinizer	eeeeew "interesting UI" - I feel sick	03:59
jonwil	I think a sequal to the N900 would be a very popular device amongst geeks	03:59
jonwil	One with better hardware and running MeeGo	04:00
pupnik	jonwil: say it's basically identical to n900 but with 1ghz cpu, ~512MB ram, slightly better display and keyboard -- what pricepoint do you think would sell well?	04:01
jonwil	no idea	04:02
pupnik	700 euro / usd?	04:02
ptl	anyway I'd buy it.	04:02
DocScrutinizer	burp	04:03
pupnik	500?	04:03
DocScrutinizer	c-ts, who's holding the bet?	04:03
DocScrutinizer	shitty crappy c-ts	04:03
javispedro	7000 euro	04:03
javispedro	it will come with a gold chassis and a free wp7 device.	04:04
javispedro	or two.	04:04
DocScrutinizer	ok, javispedro 7000 on non-c	04:04
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javispedro	well I didn't actually want to hold that bet, but will be happy to pay you 7000 Bison dollars if it is non capacitive =)	04:05
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DocScrutinizer	bison dollars 8-o	04:05
javispedro	aka 0% chance it is anything other than a lame capacitive screen.	04:06
DocScrutinizer	bizarre dollons?	04:06
pupnik	it appears to me that capacitive is better for scrolling things	04:07
DocScrutinizer	meh	04:07
javispedro	bah	04:07
jonwil	I think the N900 touchscreen is good	04:07
jonwil	I like it	04:07
jonwil	I still perffer physical keyboard for typing stuff though	04:07
pupnik	it only takes me a couple of minutes to adapt to n900 screen from capacitive	04:07
pupnik	plus n900 works with gloves and stylii	04:08
DocScrutinizer	stantum FTW, screw capacitive	04:08
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: ...and fingernails!	04:09
pupnik	the resistive seems to be more power-user to me	04:09
DocScrutinizer	only use of a capacitive is to sacrifice half of screen for a touchpad function to move a mouse cursor in the other half	04:10
DocScrutinizer	but then I'd prefer to have that touchpad on the read of device	04:11
DocScrutinizer	rear*	04:11
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javispedro	jonwil: btw, read that the vibra thing does work?	04:13
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jonwil	yeah	04:14
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javispedro	I think I will be able to map the simplest of the SDL effects into that...	04:14
javispedro	(aka 1 CONSTANT)	04:14
DocScrutinizer	md5sum /sbin/mce	04:14
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: you're on PR1.2?	04:14
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: can you dpkg -l mce	04:15
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# mce --version	04:15
DocScrutinizer	mce v1.8.118	04:15
DocScrutinizer	;-D	04:15
javispedro	@since v1.8.18 :P	04:15
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DocScrutinizer	errr, now is .18 > .118 or what?	04:16
javispedro	nfc	04:16
javispedro	but I have 1.8.126	04:16
DocScrutinizer	eeew	04:16
DocScrutinizer	k	04:16
DocScrutinizer	friggin PR1.3	04:16
javispedro	dammit I wish I had more free time..	04:17
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jonwil	whats wrong with PR1.3?	04:18
DocScrutinizer	what's wrong with PR1.2! It doesn't restore anymore, as they managed to screw the repos (testing, devel)	04:19
DocScrutinizer	so I'm simply refusing to find out what's wrong with PR1.3, as PR1.2 just works for me	04:20
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DocScrutinizer	and odds are I get a phone with fashinable new PR1.3 that's borked for daily phone usage to my metrics	04:21
javispedro	what was your gripe there?	04:22
DocScrutinizer	missing downgrade/restore	04:22
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javispedro	cya	04:24
DocScrutinizer	And I wasn't able to find the moment with the mood to test backupmenu full image restore	04:24
DocScrutinizer	cya	04:24
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DocScrutinizer	jonwil: backup app is useless if you got any apps installed from testing and/or devel, on PR1.2	04:28
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DocScrutinizer	for example alarmed, it nags me every day with an update that's not installable on PR1.2, so if I ever decide I want to go back from PR1.3 to PR1.2 I'd definitely lose that app	04:30
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DocScrutinizer	they damn had to either fork the test and devel repo as they did with extras, or promote all apps from test/devel to extras-1.2 prior to rollout of the incompatible PR1.3 libs	04:33
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DocScrutinizer	nota bene I'm not asking for updates of 1.2-devel apps, I just want a way to restore a 1.2 system the way it's supposed to work	04:34
DocScrutinizer	but Nokia, in their eternal wisdom, decided on pr1.2 users using testing / devel apps aren't worth a restore option any more, when they rolled out PR1.3	04:36
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pupnik	DocScrutinizer: you know what would be a good product? powerline-networking security cameras	04:39
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DocScrutinizer	uh	04:39
pupnik	they're just not on the market	04:39
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DocScrutinizer	yeah, strange	04:39
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DocScrutinizer	just that crap you can eavesdrop with a babyphone	04:40
DocScrutinizer	or WLAN based IP cam, but no PL	04:41
pupnik	bnc / cctv type, wlan, ethneret	04:41
DocScrutinizer	PL-AP wallwarts also seem quite handy	04:42
pupnik	seems like a 'no-brainer' to make security-cam wallwarts	04:45
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DocScrutinizer	indeed	04:50
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DocScrutinizer	~botsnack	04:50
infobot	:), DocScrutinizer	04:50
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GeneralAntilles	Shit	04:52
GeneralAntilles	I ordered a Nookcolor.	04:52
GeneralAntilles	That's wrong on several levels.	04:52
Pavlov_	lol	04:52
DocScrutinizer	what's that? a colored tire?	04:52
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer: I hope not.	04:53
GeneralAntilles	Considering I just dumped $200 on it.	04:53
pupnik	that's not expensive	04:53
DocScrutinizer	meh, my car's tires were way more expensive	04:53
GeneralAntilles	Per tire?	04:53
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DocScrutinizer	yup	04:54
GeneralAntilles	Nice car.	04:54
GeneralAntilles	What're you driving?	04:54
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DocScrutinizer	285/45	04:54
DocScrutinizer	>250km/h	04:54
pupnik	z	04:54
pupnik	?	04:55
pupnik	ok that's expensive	04:55
DocScrutinizer	y I think	04:55
pupnik	when i was a kid 'h' was already high end :)	04:55
nox-	oh an android tablet...	04:56
DocScrutinizer	well, got rid of that car. A pity but I found no oilfield in my garden... :-/	04:57
DocScrutinizer	in case you wonder: kinda like that one http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://mystify.umuumu.com/mystify_modeling/modelcar/BENZ/500sec-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mystify.umuumu.com/mystify_modeling/modelcar/BENZ/500sec.htm&usg=__4tPk63QGTbaynr9EBeTq48HTdgM=&h=375&w=500&sz=39&hl=de&start=6&zoom=1&tbnid=6m1W-AihuGUNUM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&ei=arJtTY2wMMPtOb3KoYQD&prev=/images?q=500sec&hl=de&gbv=1&tbs=isch:1&itbs=1	04:59
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DocScrutinizer	OMFG what an URL	04:59
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GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer: ah, fun indeed.	05:03
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jonwil	bah, GERMAN? :P	05:07
DocScrutinizer	more like that one: http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2854/1081/32133040003_large.jpg	05:08
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pupnik	plus there's the taxes for the large engine	05:20
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psycho_oreos	its a bit of luxury for the price one has to pay to enjoy :p	05:21
psycho_oreos	i.e. creature comforts	05:21
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GeneralAntilles	pupnik: taxes? For a large engine?	05:21
pupnik	i wouldn't mind the cost of materials, it's the artificially high 'sin tax' that is placed on such devices	05:21
GeneralAntilles	What is this, California? :P	05:21
pupnik	germany	05:21
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DocScrutinizer	germany is on par with CA in that regard	05:32
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DocScrutinizer	and regarding gasoline price we are probably top of the world :-/	05:33
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DocScrutinizer	pupnik: the engine is really nice though. Using an electric compressor you could boost it to almost 1000HP on throwing a switch :-D	05:36
pupnik	that would send me into a ditch quickly	05:37
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DocScrutinizer	hehe	05:37
pupnik	remember the e21 bmw 323i? that was a nice balance of weight and power	05:38
pupnik	after that they got too heavy for me	05:38
pupnik	anyway gnite	05:38
DocScrutinizer	yeah, I just wondered if I'd also break that wire from tachometer to engine control with same switch. Otherwise it's limited to 250km/h	05:39
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GeneralAntilles	It's too bad Mercedes has gotten all nasty.	05:39
DocScrutinizer	yeah	05:39
DocScrutinizer	night pupnik	05:39
DocScrutinizer	anyway nowadays I'd want a tesla, if anything	05:40
GeneralAntilles	Gross	05:40
GeneralAntilles	Tesla's shit.	05:40
GeneralAntilles	Overweight junk.	05:40
DocScrutinizer	??	05:40
GeneralAntilles	Those batteries really mess up the handling.	05:41
DocScrutinizer	oh, might be, yes	05:41
DocScrutinizer	shitty batteries. I really hope they come up with something better eventually	05:42
DocScrutinizer	like 10 times the power/kg	05:42
DocScrutinizer	energy to be precise	05:43
jonwil	my dream car http://img74.imageshack.us/i/vyssutefrir3.jpg/sr=1	05:43
jonwil	Not that I have any plans to buy a car (that one or otherwise) or get a license anytime soon :P	05:43
jonwil	Why would I when there is a great public transport system in my city :P	05:44
DocScrutinizer	looks weird. Is that a pickup?	05:44
jonwil	its a UTE	05:44
jonwil	which is an Aussie invention	05:44
jonwil	thats a bit like a pickup truck	05:44
psycho_oreos	GM\|Holden Commodore VY utility	05:44
jonwil	I specifically like the metalic green color	05:45
psycho_oreos	its the rough equivalent of what the states once had Chevrolet el caminos or Ford rancheros	05:45
DocScrutinizer	pachero :-P	05:45
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DocScrutinizer	there's been fapmans before our fapman	05:46
jonwil	this http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=58045 btw is an example of the fine buses our city has :	05:46
jonwil	:)	05:46
psycho_oreos	powered by gas	05:46
DocScrutinizer	meh, you bought those in my town :-P	05:47
jonwil	the chassis for those buses comes from Mercedes Benz buses in germany	05:47
DocScrutinizer	ours are red, and have more gas on the roof	05:48
jonwil	the body is built locally by a local bodybuilder	05:48
jonwil	The bus in the pictures is diesel powered	05:48
jonwil	Although we have a bunch of similar looking CNG powered buses as well	05:48
DocScrutinizer	oh, so that's the air condition then?	05:48
jonwil	yes	05:48
psycho_oreos	busses like those here (Qld, AU fyi :p) runs on gas, older ones are diesel powered	05:48
DocScrutinizer	same here	05:49
jonwil	http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=57589	05:50
jonwil	Thats the gas version	05:50
psycho_oreos	http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/Mullet111/12-5-10/BrisbaneBus7-1.jpg <--- Brisbane, Qld, AU	05:51
psycho_oreos	again, CNG powered	05:51
jonwil	our next batch of buses (after the current order with Mercedes is fulfulled) is going to be a batch of Diesel powered Volvos	05:52
psycho_oreos	you only have one type of bus and its all Merc branded?	05:54
DocScrutinizer	http://www.nahverkehr-franken.de/bus/img/nuernberg/nbg_500.jpg	05:54
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jonwil	http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=58099	05:57
jonwil	Thats some of our older buses	05:57
jonwil	Transperth has a history of buying buses from Mercedes Benz	05:57
GeneralAntilles	lol buses.	05:58
GeneralAntilles	Real men drive cars.	05:59
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psycho_oreos	I used to ride the bus alot till I got me own ute :p	05:59
psycho_oreos	well bus and trains	05:59
jonwil	Why would I need a car when I can get anywhere I want to go on the bus :P	06:00
jonwil	or train	06:00
psycho_oreos	jonwil, interesting, ours here is a mix of Mercedes-Benz, MAN, Volvo, Volgreen, Scania, etc	06:00
GeneralAntilles	Because buses take away your liberty as an individual. :)	06:00
psycho_oreos	it boils down to one thing, freedom and ultimate mobility	06:01
jonwil	ours are a mix of Mercedes Benz and Renault mostly	06:01
ZogG	mine bus is a potato	06:01
jonwil	we also have one IVECO bus, some MAN buses, and one Scania bus	06:01
jonwil	the IVECO and SCANIA and one of the MAN buses were bought as demonstrators to test new articulated bus deisgns	06:02
jonwil	designs	06:02
psycho_oreos	lol I have seen lots more other mixed brands. The ones I mentioned was just for Brisbane CBD itself, it has a few other towns which has their own logos, etc	06:03
jonwil	:)	06:03
jonwil	I have been to Brisbane and experienced Brisbane buses and trains	06:04
jonwil	including the ones on the gold coast	06:04
jonwil	and they are good	06:04
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psycho_oreos	bleh they are ok for me	06:04
jonwil	the only criticism is that the fare structure is impossible to understand and that it was hard for me to provide the right information on my current location to the information line	06:05
jonwil	when I was trying to find out how to get somewhere	06:05
jonwil	Here in Perth, all the bus stops have unique numbers	06:05
jonwil	that the information operators can use to identify where you are	06:05
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jonwil	and give you guidance as to the right service to take	06:05
psycho_oreos	here its going by zones, the more zones you cover the more expensive it is (of course), each zone is a radius of x amount of km from the CBD. Then you have `Go' cards which makes the tickets a little cheaper as one just needs to swipe on and off rather than having plastic/paper based solution	06:06
jonwil	Its like that in Perth too	06:07
jonwil	we have zones and cards	06:07
jonwil	In Perth when you buy a ticket for one zone, you can go anywhere in that one zone for 2 hours	06:07
jonwil	on as many services as you like	06:07
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jonwil	I think what confused me in Brisbane was the idea of inbound tickers and outbound tickets	06:08
jonwil	or whatever it was	06:08
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: real men don't use cars either - real liberty as an individual looks like http://www.unicopter.com/1728_Backpack.gif	06:09
psycho_oreos	that could be for the old scheme. They go by zones these days unless you get on the great circle line which goes right around the city but not going into the city or out of the city. Those go by sectors	06:09
jonwil	yeah it was a few years ago I was using it	06:10
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psycho_oreos	lol a personal helicopter will not only be costly but I'm sure the boys in the blue will keep their eye out on you if you use that regularly	06:11
psycho_oreos	plus driving is a lot more fun :p you want faster, you mash the pedal	06:12
DocScrutinizer	I bet that one is cheaper than my car was when bought new (not me)	06:13
psycho_oreos	one needs to also consider the use of such transport like that. Sure the novelty is indeed very nice however what does your potential employer think of you when you wonder around smelling like as if you were doing some lawn mowing? unless of course your job description perfectly matches the need to use machinery and to have BO smelling like petrol	06:16
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DocScrutinizer	THAT'S for real men ;-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AXuy2-YoQY	06:21
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psycho_oreos	easy way to burn money quickly too	06:22
psycho_oreos	real rich men fyi have chauffeurs to do all the driving, flying :P	06:23
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DocScrutinizer	:-o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOW35gXhWic	06:50
LiraNuna_	who was the one ho wanted to port Maemo5 into other phones?	06:50
DocScrutinizer	eh?	06:51
ZogG	ha, i've been approved to be maintainer on maemo extras	06:51
ZogG	now i need to finish my widget =)	06:52
DocScrutinizer	I think there were several, but nobody who understands what it takes and still considered actually doing it	06:52
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robbiethe1st	Hey guys, has anyone gotten direct rendering working/HW accel under Easy Debian?	08:06
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_0x47	Hi, anyone could tell me how exactly SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE works? I am trying to ignore the redirect of a custom libtool binary... I have the redirect logs enabled and got the full path of the binary from there, but it's still redirected...	09:19
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_0x47	Anyone here?	09:22
pronto	nope :(	09:23
_0x47	Lol	09:23
_0x47	Too early I guess...	09:23
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DocScrutinizer51	or too late	09:25
_0x47	Not	09:26
_0x47	~rape DocScrutinizer51	09:26
* infobot takes DocScrutinizer51 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams		09:26
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_0x47	K my battery is going down, g2g	09:27
_0x47	Exit	09:28
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MohammadAG	is QML interpreted or compiled?	09:47
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ricki8024	moin	10:14
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mece	MohammadAG, compiled afaik	10:44
mece	MohammadAG, no wait..	10:45
mece	MohammadAG, hm well. Interpreted	10:45
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mece	MohammadAG, if you need some qml work done, I can help out a little every now and then.	10:56
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alterego	Did someone say qml!?	10:58
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mece	alterego, :) hey what are you working on these days?	11:01
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alterego	Currently, doing a contract to get some money. :)	11:02
alterego	Once that's done, I'll go back to Columbus, my spare time I'm working on Qml port of the meego dialer.	11:03
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jonwil	maybe hell will freeze over and bug 11953 will be resolved :P	11:17
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11953 Open rtcom-call-ui	11:17
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MohammadAG	mece, I'm still not sure about it :)	11:20
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mece	MohammadAG, javascript isn't compiled afaik	11:22
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mece	bwaaha! Negative parallax is bonkers!	11:25
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MohammadAG	Having problems with callbacks :/	12:15
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MohammadAG	http://pastebin.com/eD0a4Luj	12:15
RST38h	<yawn>	12:16
RST38h	Mohammad: get_items_cb never gets called? =)	12:17
MohammadAG	no, the binary segfaults :P	12:17
MohammadAG	MafwPlaylistAdapter::getItems	12:17
MohammadAG	Segmentation fault	12:17
RST38h	Ah...probably not the callback then	12:18
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MohammadAG	http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/mafw/MafwPlaylist.html#mafw-playlist-get-items-md looks fine to me	12:19
RST38h	this->mafw_playlist may have incorrect data	12:20
RST38h	the rest of the arguments look kosher to me	12:20
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MohammadAG	it was null :)	12:20
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RST38h	if it were null, the function would never get called, right?	12:22
MohammadAG	that's what should happen	12:22
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MohammadAG	alterego, ever used casts?	12:37
MohammadAG	emit static_cast<MafwPlaylistAdapter*>(user_data)->onGetItems(QString::fromUtf8(object_id), metadata, index) is causing a segfault for some reason :/	12:39
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Venemo	hey MohammadAG	12:43
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Venemo	MohammadAG: what do you want exactly? there are more than one casting operators in C++	12:43
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MohammadAG	I want to emit a signal from a callback	12:45
Venemo	emit mySignal()	12:45
Venemo	how does casting come into the picture	12:45
MohammadAG	/home/mohammad/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwplaylistadapter.cpp:105: error: cannot call member function 'void MafwPlaylistAdapter::onGetItems(QString, GHashTable*, guint)' without object	12:46
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Venemo	MohammadAG: pastebin the code	12:52
Venemo	MohammadAG: and tell me which line is it	12:52
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MohammadAG	Venemo, http://pastebin.com/UGQYu5S1	12:53
Venemo	MohammadAG, is onGetItems declared as a signal in MafwPlaylistAdapter's header file?	12:55
ebzzry	What the. I rebooted only to find out the backupmenu screen is gone, but instead gets bootmenu screen? How come?	12:55
MohammadAG	Venemo, yes, but the callback is a static void	12:55
ebzzry	I reinstalled backupmenu but I still get the same screen? Why?	12:55
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Venemo	MohammadAG: I need to see more of the code	12:57
Venemo	MohammadAG: where is the callback in this paste? also, where do you set up the callback?	12:57
MohammadAG	it's in the paste, second function	12:58
MohammadAG	http://pastebin.com/vBrLX5zz .h file	12:58
MohammadAG	get_items_cb	12:58
MohammadAG	cb = callback	12:58
Venemo	MohammadAG: well, get_items_cb is a static method	12:58
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Venemo	MohammadAG: you can only call the method of an instance if you actually have an instance	12:58
Venemo	MohammadAG: where is the place where you set up the callback?	12:59
Venemo	MohammadAG: is it line 5 in your first paste?	13:00
MohammadAG	yeah	13:01
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Venemo	MohammadAG: try this http://pastebin.com/kZU03g6p	13:03
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Venemo	MohammadAG: note that I passed the this pointer to mafw_playlist_get_items_md's "additional data" parameter	13:04
Venemo	MohammadAG: then I get that data from the user_data parameter of your callback	13:04
MohammadAG	Venemo, still segfaults	13:05
MohammadAG	oh	13:05
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lcuk	X-Fade, ping	13:08
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Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: my laptop has frozen once again	13:09
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: does it work?	13:10
SpeedEvil	Place it in a medium oven, till golden brown and unfrozen in the middle.	13:10
SpeedEvil	Stick a skewer through, and check it's not still frozen inside, and is piping hot.	13:10
Venemo_N900	thanks SpeedEvil :)	13:11
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Venemo_N900	SpeedEvil: I knew I can count on you	13:11
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MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, yep :)	13:13
Venemo	SpeedEvil: if you have any better advice than the oven, please see http://superuser.com/questions/249840/how-can-i-stop-this-weird-crash-that-i-experience-on-my-laptop-randomly	13:13
Venemo	MohammadAG: great :)	13:14
SpeedEvil	Venemo: It's out of warranty?	13:14
Venemo	SpeedEvil: I took the machine to warranty repair, but the service was unable to reproduce the issue at all, thus they didn't fix it either	13:14
SpeedEvil	Ah.	13:14
SpeedEvil	Can you ping it?	13:15
Venemo	SpeedEvil: when frozen? I never tried, but I doubt it	13:15
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SpeedEvil	Venemo: The sugestions I'd make would be along the lines od the others in the thread alas - replace motherboard, ...	13:16
SpeedEvil	In principle, given full schematics, and lots and lots of clue, you can diagnose it.	13:16
Venemo	SpeedEvil: I have no spare parts for the laptop, so I can't	13:16
SpeedEvil	But...	13:16
Venemo	SpeedEvil: I think that would be the task of the repair centre (as they have the resources to do it), but they didn't	13:17
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Venemo	SpeedEvil: someone recommended me to just find two sympathic contact on the motherboard, give them a voltage of my liking, and when it's done, take it to repair saying "this time it not only crashed, but wouldn't start again"	13:20
Venemo	MohammadAG: I'm glad I could help :)	13:20
MohammadAG	Venemo, thanks :)	13:21
MohammadAG	Venemo, it seems it was because I was passing NULL instead of this as a pointer	13:21
Venemo	MohammadAG: exactly	13:21
Venemo	MohammadAG: as I told you :)	13:21
MohammadAG	yep	13:22
SpeedEvil	Venemo: If the repairer has sufficient clue, that can be found out.	13:22
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Venemo	SpeedEvil: yeah, that's why I haven't done this	13:23
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lolcat	What bluetooth keyboards do you recommend for N900?	13:35
lcuk	X-Fade, regarding latest version of libliqbase, it dd not get imported into fremantle -devel although it ended up in diablo (so anyone with n810 can try :P) are there specific reasons for it not being imported?	13:35
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MohammadAG	muhaha	13:36
MohammadAG	MafwPlaylist implemented, sort of	13:36
Arkenoi	fennec beta does not play html5 video from youtube on n900? what is it good for, then?	13:36
Venemo	Arkenoi: nothing	13:37
kerio	Arkenoi: it's really good at being slow	13:38
kerio	if you're into that	13:38
Venemo	kerio ++	13:38
kerio	afaiac, there's absolutely no reason for fennec's existance	13:38
lcuk	Arkenoi, I thought there was more to the internet than kitten videos on youtube	13:38
kerio	lcuk: there's also pr0n	13:38
kerio	and pr0n videos in flash don't work with fennec	13:38
kerio	so yeah, still no reason	13:39
Venemo	lol kerio	13:39
lcuk	dare I ask: are they using html5 video?	13:39
Jaffa	MohammadAG: Woot	13:39
Venemo	MohammadAG: congrats	13:40
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Arkenoi	lcuk: and everything other is viewed better with either default browser or macuco. I thought fennec might be useful because flash video sucks and our flash plugin sucks even more.	13:40
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]	anyone familiar with the startup scripts? I'm trying to get xkeybinds to run at startup but without success. based on a topic i saw on tmo, it should run once hildon-desktop has started.	13:59
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LjL	i don't suppose there's any hack to make telepathy keep a backlog of conversations by default, instead of erasing them as soon as you close the window?	14:03
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toggles	LjL: i think they are there, old conversations?	14:06
toggles	oh, no, thats the desktop.. though my history is there, sorry.	14:07
Mece	[DrkGUNMAN-N900], http://pastie.org/1624301	14:07
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Mece	something like that in /etc/event.d	14:07
Venemo	LjL: search on TMO	14:09
lardman	lcuk: your liqbook update fails on the libbase version	14:10
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lcuk	lardman, yes I know	14:10
lcuk	however the same source built happily and is also in diablo repository	14:10
lcuk	it however did not get imported into fremantle	14:10
lcuk	though the build came back OK	14:11
LjL	Venemo: sorry, TMO?	14:11
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Venemo	~tmo	14:11
infobot	[tmo] http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo	14:11
lcuk	hence me asking, are there specific reasons for it not being passed and what are those reasons so I can modify and resubmit	14:11
LjL	ah	14:11
Venemo	LjL: there is also a "power search" function on tmo	14:11
lcuk	lardman, https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2011-February/033164.html	14:12
lcuk	[extras-builds] [fremantle]: libliqbase 0.3.67 OK	14:12
lardman	you spoken to X-Fade ?	14:12
lcuk	he has been skiing	14:13
lardman	ah ok	14:13
lcuk	and returned, hence todays ping	14:13
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lardman	strange that it would build at all if it doesn't make it into extras-*	14:13
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lcuk	lardman, it is available for my n810	14:13
* lcuk giggles at that		14:13
javispedro	ah, another buildbot got hung	14:14
javispedro	:(	14:14
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lardman	lcuk: that doesn't explain how you built liqbook on the autobuilder for Fremantle though	14:14
lardman	or are your build and runtime deps different?	14:14
lcuk	lardman, the buildbot looks in the "pending move to fremantle" queue when looking for dependencies afaik	14:14
lcuk	it was a fix put in last year or so I think, to allow pushing uploads of a library and then the apps using it	14:15
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lardman	where are those packages hosted, as they are downloaded in source form afaiu	14:15
lcuk	without having sync waiting problems	14:15
lardman	oh right, never realised that, I always wait 20min between pushes	14:15
lcuk	yes	14:15
lcuk	well that mucks up lots of people using dput	14:15
lcuk	who might setup a script - you should be able to put the projects in the right order	14:16
lcuk	and providing builds work ->>> lib, app,app,app,app etc	14:16
lcuk	would would	14:16
lcuk	if the apps are dependent upon lib	14:16
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lcuk	would work*	14:16
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]	Mece: Thank you	14:24
Mece	:)	14:24
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Treibholz	is there a meego-image for the maemo-sdk?	14:34
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javispedro	omg vibrator in games	14:37
javispedro	VIBRA: SDL_HapticRunEffect VIBRA: Run effect level=32767 for length=99 ms VIBRA: Call MCE speed=170 duration=99	14:37
javispedro	MWAHAHAHAHA	14:37
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Mece	javispedro, O.o	14:38
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MohammadAG	http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/mafw/MafwPlaylist.html omg	14:40
javispedro	503	14:40
MohammadAG	did they pull the plug?	14:40
MohammadAG	I need the damn docs	14:41
pupnik	:/	14:41
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Mece	MohammadAG, perhaps cached in google for example	14:41
pupnik	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LBlFPBnXmLkJ:maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/mafw/MafwPlaylist.html+MafwPlaylist&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com	14:41
andre__	meh. bugs.maemo.org says "Error: Too many connections"	14:42
javispedro	the buildbot is also hung	14:42
andre__	I can't work like this.	14:42
javispedro	and maemo.org doesn't work either!	14:42
MohammadAG	that means the repos are down	14:43
MohammadAG	I wonder if Nokia really pulled the plug	14:43
javispedro	nope	14:43
javispedro	(indexes might, though...)	14:43
jonwil	http://repository.maemo.org works fine for me btw	14:44
Mece	MohammadAG, have they threatened to?	14:44
MohammadAG	no	14:45
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MohammadAG	maybe they opened up all of Maemo and the repo couldn't take it	14:46
* MohammadAG chuckles		14:46
Mece	MohammadAG, yes, that sounds likely	14:46
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* javispedro is happy, vibrator!		14:47
lcuk	javispedro, I remember some guy in maemo forums who could not switch his vibrator off	14:48
nidO	cue "thats what she said"	14:48
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pupnik	i wonder if n900s are banned in texas	14:50
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LjL-N810	Yay rtcomm	14:51
pupnik	can I buy n900 system boards somewhere?	14:51
pupnik	no display, no case just boards	14:51
E0x	beagleboard are like n900 one	14:51
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ruskie	just lacking the 3g stuff ;)	14:52
pupnik	yes i wanted the 3g and camera	14:52
pupnik	and small size	14:52
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RST38h	lcuk: So, has he got injured?	14:53
lcuk	RST38h, who?	14:53
lcuk	the vibrator guy?	14:53
jonwil	Looks like the maemo.org problem is a database issue	14:53
RST38h	yes	14:54
jonwil	as in their database server is down/faulty/whatever	14:54
MohammadAG	I don't get how to sort	14:54
MohammadAG	the playlist items	14:54
E0x	MohammadAG: http://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.api.c.multimedia/api_refs/5.0/mafw-shared/ch09s03.html	14:54
MohammadAG	E0x, that's not the problem	14:55
MohammadAG	I have docs	14:55
E0x	ah ok	14:55
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MohammadAG	the callback sends an integer	14:56
MohammadAG	that should be the position of the song	14:56
MohammadAG	but it isn't	14:56
E0x	i not the track number ?	14:56
lcuk	RST38h, no he did not, but his neighbours looked at him funny for a while :P	14:58
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MohammadAG	E0x, no, don't need the track number	14:59
MohammadAG	I mean, I need to sort the playlist as mafw playlist has it	15:00
E0x	i mean if that integer maybe is the track number instead of the position	15:00
E0x	index	15:00
E0x	because i think mediplayer sort it using the track number	15:00
MohammadAG	no, it doesn't	15:01
MohammadAG	music player -> songs -> all songs, click a song	15:01
MohammadAG	hmm	15:01
MohammadAG	seems to be a widget problem rather than an API problem	15:02
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MohammadAG	you'd think ui->songPlaylist->insertItem(index, item) would work correctly, but doesn't	15:05
MohammadAG	damn Qt	15:05
LjL	the screenshots at http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ ... they look like more than the standard 3 icons can fit in the task switcher. is it just a matter of the theme used, or what?	15:05
toadpole	( MohammadAG ): thanks for all your work on maemo apps, it's much appreciated :)	15:05
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MohammadAG	toadpole, you're welcome :)	15:05
lcuk	LjL, the screenshots are from diablo, ie maemo4 ie N800 and N810	15:06
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LjL	lcuk: i know, that's what i have ;)	15:06
lcuk	:D	15:06
javispedro	they're actually pre-diablo	15:06
LjL	lcuk: but on mine, the icons are bigger, and 3 fit	15:06
lcuk	LjL, save a screenshot and show us	15:06
javispedro	on diablo the icons were enlarged to make them "finger friendly"	15:06
LjL	they're the same size as the web/people/apps icon	15:06
LjL	javispedro: oh	15:06
LjL	javispedro: not very multitasking-friendly though :P	15:07
javispedro	we all know that :D	15:07
LjL	it wouldn't be so bad if they were actually dynamic, i.e. changed depending on what the last 3 tasks i've used were	15:07
LjL	but instead, they're always the same three - the tasks i started first	15:07
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MohammadAG	guess I'll have to use a dirty trick	15:10
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ZogG_laptop	ruskie, hey	15:30
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ZogG_laptop	hmm	15:36
ZogG_laptop	so if i use madde and i have library from dependies on device, do i ned it on qt sdk dir of maemo? and if i do how do i install it	15:37
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markinfo	How to work with miniSDCard? It should be automatically recognised in File manager just after it is inserted in the slot?	15:38
markinfo	in nokia n900.	15:38
SpeedEvil	You cannot insert a miniSD	15:39
SpeedEvil	It will not fit.	15:39
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markinfo	well it is mikro SD - it fits	15:40
Treibholz	markinfo: I guess you are talking about a MicroSD	15:40
Treibholz	you need to close the cover.	15:40
ZogG_laptop	ok u just insert and it's there	15:40
ZogG_laptop	marciom, use filemanager e.g. filebox is nice	15:41
ZogG_laptop	so any dev here?	15:41
ZogG_laptop	lardman, ping	15:41
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG, =)	15:41
lardman	ZogG_laptop: pong	15:42
markinfo	Well - it needs to put plastic Cover to put back on.	15:42
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ZogG_laptop	lardman, did u ever use madde?	15:43
lcuk	lardman is madde	15:43
Treibholz	what is the correct way to install python-modules from pipy? I miss pypi-install	15:43
ZogG_laptop	marciom, yes plastic cover mount and umount so u wouldn't take it off in the middle of some operation	15:43
lardman	ZogG_laptop: nope	15:43
ZogG_laptop	damn	15:43
ZogG_laptop	lcuk, you?	15:43
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lcuk	ZogG_laptop, not to a degree where I could dig inside it	15:44
lcuk	but Venemo has dug quite deeply afaik	15:44
ZogG_laptop	anyone here? i have some dependies for my "app" and i have them on desktop and n900 but not in maemo dir of qt sdk	15:45
lardman	what are the deps out of interest?	15:45
ZogG_laptop	pupnik, btw did u change anysetting before u run xmms2?	15:45
ZogG_laptop	lardman, xmms2 client lib	15:45
lardman	oh, no clue about that anyway, sorry	15:45
markinfo	There is optical sensor that check if the back cover is on nokia n900 back? this small point beside of camera?	15:46
lardman	markinfo: thought it was magnetic	15:46
markinfo	i have found it -there is small piece of magnet that also hold the stand leg of the cover.	15:50
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ZogG_laptop	no venemo and no MohammadAG =(	15:50
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DocScrutinizer	markinfo: yep. optical is for cam slide	15:57
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pupnik	that magnet can fall off pretty easily	15:59
lardman	nice to see some bugs getting a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment	16:00
* lardman wonders how far off it is... :)		16:00
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SpeedEvil	Hmm. Maybe they're going to a new naming scheme. And the n950 is actually named after teh processor.	16:02
RST38h	lardman: leak! leak! leak! :)	16:02
SpeedEvil	http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-N950-Notebook-Processor.37490.0.html	16:02
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ZogG_laptop	pupnik, when u used xmms2 did u changed config or something?	16:04
lardman	RST38h: :)	16:04
ZogG_laptop	it starts but i get error on playback	16:04
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jonwil	I doubt any of the bugs I actually care about will be fixed anytime soon :(	16:05
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pupnik	ZogG_laptop: don't remember	16:06
ZogG_laptop	=(	16:07
DocScrutinizer	lardman: I got nightmares of the day harmattan rolls out	16:07
lardman	new hw! :)	16:07
RST38h	Doc: Everyone will hate it.	16:08
DocScrutinizer	lardman: I'd feel much better if I knew for sure this thing got no meego label on it	16:08
andre__	jonwil, which bugs do you care about? :-P	16:08
RST38h	Doc: Some will stock on devices, knowing it is the last one	16:08
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DocScrutinizer	RST38h: I'm talking of a m6-meego-harmattan-HE to kill m5 on N900	16:10
jonwil	bug 8347 for one thing	16:10
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available	16:10
RST38h	Ah probably wont' happen =(	16:10
DocScrutinizer	I hope so	16:10
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markus_	hy everybody	16:10
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* RST38h wonders if there will be a "WHERE ARE THE ARROW KEYS?" thread when N950 surfaces		16:15
lardman	lol	16:15
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DocScrutinizer	RST38h: otoh what's the sense of a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment - as lardman put it - when that harmattan is known to be the mock-meego, include 2791 new bugs and regressions, a new GUI that's BLAARGH and you say it won't come for N900 (what I really really hope it won't actually)	16:17
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lardman	well there are some things we can't change, so I'm not too worried about the presumable ui changes and extra bugs, as long as some of the old ones are fixed and preferably we are able to fix any new ones ourselves	16:18
jonwil	if Cell Broadcast SMS ever works on the N900, I will be HIGHLY surprised	16:18
DocScrutinizer	that'd be like "winXP bug 737617: fixed in win7"	16:19
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/737617 was not found.	16:19
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RST38h	Doc: Can I say somethign really bad, cynical, and negative?	16:20
DocScrutinizer	lardman: exactly what I have been afraid of. meego-HE-m6-bastard is the final shot in the forehead for maemo	16:20
lardman	I have no idea, you might be pleasantly surprised, you never know ;)	16:21
DocScrutinizer	BS, I'm scared	16:21
lardman	can't really be worse than no new releases	16:21
RST38h	Doc: Ultimately, nobody cares what base flavor of Linux N950 is based on.	16:22
jonwil	the 3 questions I have here are	16:22
DocScrutinizer	and we already learnt from our occasional harmattan tester here what quirks are in harmattan/meego, and looking at meego handset UX GUI I feel like puking	16:22
RST38h	Doc: So, if Nokia marketing people would like to call it a "Meego", it is ok, but the thing is just Maemo to me	16:22
DocScrutinizer	lardman: it IS worse	16:22
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: I'm fsckng not talking about N950	16:23
RST38h	Doc: So, no, Harmattan being "fake" Meego is ok to me, as long as the device as a whole is usable and feature cp,[lete	16:23
RST38h	Doc: As to proper Meego, let us wait until 1.2, will we?	16:23
DocScrutinizer	I'm talking about m6 rollout for N900 going to kill m5	16:23
lardman	I've got to agree with RST38h here, plus I try to be optimistic	16:24
jonwil	1.Will this mythical harmattan be missing features that are present in Frematnle	16:24
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jonwil	2.Will this mythical harmattan contain open source bits instead of closed source bits and if so, is that a good or bad thing	16:24
RST38h	And see how it comes out. Based on what I see in release reports, there will be a lot of changes from 1.1	16:24
jonwil	and 3.Will this mythical harmattan contain closed source pieces that contain new bugs vs Fremantle (i.e. things we cant fix that are regressions vs what we have now)	16:24
markus_	I build my package for maemo with the qt developer. Now noki atells me I have to move some files to /opt. How do I build the package by hand?	16:24
lardman	docscrutinizer: can't see it getting a harmattan update myself	16:24
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: I give a shit about meego and N950	16:24
lardman	^don't	16:24
jonwil	I only care about what runs on my N900	16:24
lolcat	jonwil: Can you get easy debian in meego?	16:24
pupnik	good question markus_	16:24
jonwil	I intend to run whatever nokia-updater tells me is the latest	16:25
pupnik	anybody else in .de interested in getting spare speakers? i'll be placing my order today	16:25
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DocScrutinizer	[2011-03-02 15:00:26] <lardman> nice to see some bugs getting a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment	16:25
lardman	yeah, but I'm not talking about hw specific, but rather platform sw	16:25
lardman	perhaps I should have said that	16:25
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lardman	though yeah I see where you're coming from	16:26
DocScrutinizer	WTF is that worth when we don't see m6 on N900? And again, I HOPE(!!!!) and pray we won't see any m6-HE on N900 as it will kill off m5	16:26
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Treibholz	http://pastebin.com/ZkjgffcN	16:27
Treibholz	grr, python-setuptools is installed.	16:27
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jonwil	What I care about is not losing features vs Fremantle, not ending up with an unusable GUI just after I got the hang of the Fremantle UI/UX and seeing the issues I care about fixed	16:27
jonwil	and to be able to add the features I want to my N900	16:27
RST38h	Doc: You are so afraid of Maemo6 as if it were the Tentacled One Himself	16:27
lcuk	jonwil, how long have you cared for n900?	16:28
Treibholz	.oOO( Tentacles with arms are extremely dangerous! )	16:28
RST38h	Doc: And if I understood you correctly, you cite current Meego bugs as evidence, although Maemo6 has nothign to do with Meego	16:28
DocScrutinizer	the only bugs against m5 that can get a semi-valid "fixed in m6" tag are the FOSS-requests	16:28
jonwil	I dont see most of those FOSS requests happening :(	16:29
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jonwil	Some nokia guy will just say "use ofono" even though ofono will never be a valid option on the N900 with Fremantle	16:29
Treibholz	what is the correct way to build maemo-debs from debian-sources?	16:29
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: yu're kinda depressing	16:29
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DocScrutinizer	jaffa sent them to quim some 2 days ago	16:30
jonwil	hmmm yeah	16:30
jonwil	there is a bit of positive news there :)	16:30
jonwil	IMO if we had the details of the dbus interface exposed by the CSD daemon and its plugins, there is no reason we couldnt replace CSD and friends with a modified ofono	16:30
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DocScrutinizer	sure, except mere amount of work this would be	16:31
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E0x	DocScrutinizer:i don't see the point of get stuck in m5 if any of the may part is not getting open source because almost all important bugs are in these part	16:31
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jonwil	yeah true	16:31
* javispedro hugs n810 for no reason		16:31
Jaffa	jonwil: DocScrutinizer: Even if stuff doesn't get opened, perhaps for some of the lower level stuff (like that) we could have a channel to talk to engineers about the interfaces/APIs at least.	16:32
lcuk	javispedro, but the n810 has even more closed packages shock	16:32
jonwil	yeah I think we should come up with a "plan B" for some of those requests	16:32
RST38h	javispedro: Reminds you of PalmPilot somehow, now, that they are both dead? =)	16:32
* javispedro hugs PalmPilot		16:32
jonwil	i.e. "if you wont release code, how about these dev packages"	16:32
DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: sounds reasonable and in line with my suggestion (you know which)	16:32
javispedro	hm.. where is the pilot?	16:32
RST38h	fell apart into dust?	16:33
* RST38h sheds a tear		16:33
javispedro	no ,it just wants UNDER a pile of dust.	16:33
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javispedro	s/wants/was/	16:33
infobot	javispedro meant: no ,it just was UNDER a pile of dust.	16:33
lcuk	javispedro, in a box in the loft with Andys ^W Javiss' toys	16:33
visz	ack	16:34
visz	nokia might actually be sending the free E7's	16:34
visz	'joy'	16:34
javispedro	joy from a symbian device?	16:35
visz	my boss just got one and he does not seem impressed	16:35
* RST38h wonders if any Zoomer PDAs are still around		16:35
DocScrutinizer	burp	16:35
javispedro	recently some guy asked me "is symbian easily jailbreakable"? The only answer I could think of was "I think symbian predates jailbreaking".	16:35
Jaffa	visz: Free is free.	16:35
jonwil	Jaffa: Is it worth adding this "plan B" idea to the bug reports on bugs.maemo.org?	16:35
visz	indeed	16:35
Jaffa	javispedro: Symbian has no need for jailbreaking cough	16:36
visz	i guess i can use it the e7 to replace my almost broken 6110 navigator	16:36
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RST38h	javispedro: actually, no, it has to be jailbroken	16:36
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visz	atleast the e7 has turn by turn directions	16:36
Jaffa	jonwil: If we start getting responses on the bug reports rather than a direct one back from Quim, yeah. Until then, it'd probably just confuse peopel	16:36
jonwil	ok	16:36
jonwil	makes sense	16:36
* RST38h will use that E7 for the last wave of updates to his Symbian apps		16:36
DocScrutinizer	well, I heard symbian phones got used in a number of jailbreaks here :-P	16:36
visz	and hopefully, unlike my 6110, working volume button ,)	16:36
RST38h	As an action of defiances, if you wish, or to milk the remaining Symbian user base, if you are cynical =)	16:37
jonwil	Just having libisi-dev would really help me out with some of my work :)	16:37
lardman	having a secretary would help me	16:37
jonwil	although I am afraid that libisi (code or -dev package) may be one of the things Nokia are worried about releasing	16:37
javispedro	having that time stopping wristwatch would help me...	16:37
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lcuk	javispedro, can I get that app from Ovi Store?	16:38
javispedro	I think not...	16:39
javispedro	Though you can get plenty of timewasting applications...	16:39
lcuk	yea	16:40
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: I also would strongly recommend not to edit this wikipage for now, as that might confuse hell out of people at Nokia referring to it	16:40
jonwil	I wasnt intending to edit it	16:40
DocScrutinizer	just saying	16:40
jonwil	ok	16:40
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jonwil	Anything that gets more of Fremantle open is a good thing.	16:51
jonwil	And I definatly think that asking for dbus interfaces and APIs is a good "plan B"	16:52
* Jaffa nods.		16:52
* Jaffa looks forward to cool jonwil stuff in the CSSU ;-)		16:52
jonwil	e.g. if we knew all the external things exposed to the upper levels by the ICD daemon, it wouldn't be that hard to replace ICD with whatever maemo uses	16:52
tybollt	jonwil: I'm telling you for the hundredth time, planb.com was a hoax. ;-)	16:53
jonwil	:P	16:53
DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: (Symbian has no need for jailbreaking) actually I seem to recall my friend told me he has to sign each symbian app otherwise it won't run. OK the signature got hacked so no showstopper, but it's a little bit like jailbreaking, no?	16:53
tybollt	anyone know who was behind the planb.com hoax though=	16:53
tybollt	?	16:53
* tybollt looks suspiciously at GAN900 ;)		16:54
lardman	lol	16:54
jonwil	I mean replace ICD weith whatever MeeGo uses	16:55
jonwil	netmanager or whatever it is	16:55
javispedro	connman	16:55
javispedro	(stupidly)	16:55
jonwil	ok	16:55
jonwil	I suspect that 99% of what ICD exposes to the upper layers is only relavent to the connectivity status bar widgets and stuff	16:56
DocScrutinizer	conman, another reinvention of the wheel	16:56
jonwil	which could be redone if we replaced ICD	16:56
Robot101	DocScrutinizer: I honestly have no understanding of how connman benefits anyone over NM >= 0.7 :/	16:56
Robot101	DocScrutinizer: other than ofono integration, which could've been done in NM	16:57
DocScrutinizer	Robot101: ack	16:57
jonwil	Its another case of Nokia replacing closed-and-proprietary with open-and-proprietary	16:57
DocScrutinizer	NIH cookie	16:57
jonwil	i.e. things Nokia can have a big say in the development of	16:57
javispedro	Intel in this case.	16:57
lardman	conman is incomplete too so I read	16:57
javispedro	a match made in heaven...	16:57
jonwil	well we dont have to replace ICD with conman, if we knew the interfaces that mattered, we could replace it with netman	16:58
jonwil	and make netman talk to the CSD GPRS plugin	16:59
RST38h	jonwil: Man, contantly mentioning the need to know interfaces in this channel has not been known to give one the knowledged of those interfaces	16:59
jonwil	true :P	16:59
luke-jr	NM sucks too	16:59
RST38h	So, address your request to the right destination (i.e. Quim et al)	17:00
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: +	17:00
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DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: one more reason not to replace it by anything else that sucks same way	17:01
javispedro	the bad you know...	17:01
javispedro	s/bad/devil :P	17:02
javispedro	though tbh I'm quite wary of this entire nih stuff around connman/ofono	17:02
DocScrutinizer	if NM wouldn't suck, I could understand Intel claiming "It doesn't suck as much as we want it, so let's invent connman to meet that design goal" - but even that is moot :-P	17:02
jonwil	ok, so where do I put requests for information/code/headers/dev packages so that the right people will see it and be able to act on it?	17:02
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: THIS IS INPROGRESS	17:03
jonwil	ok	17:03
DocScrutinizer	constant nagging won't help the issue	17:03
DocScrutinizer	au contraire	17:03
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DocScrutinizer	not that I knew for sure about that part - maybe it would help if done right - just I never seen any instance where it did	17:05
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markinfo	how to use Nokia n900 as Voice recorder? I have found only application "Recorder" - is there something else?	17:26
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markinfo	Can nokia take voice with higher sample frequency as 22kHz?	17:26
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markinfo	because audio in Video stream from Camera is taken with 48kHz	17:29
andre__	why do you need something else than "recorder"?	17:30
markinfo	it seems to be quality of audio worse than in videostream	17:32
markinfo	there are no settings in "Recorder"	17:32
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pupnik	see "parec" markinfo	17:36
lardman	just diy the gst pipeline	17:37
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pupnik	or that	17:37
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ZogG_laptop	so anyone have any idea how do i install extra package i want to use for dependies for my app to Qt SDK?	17:39
lcuk	ZogG_laptop, how are you planning on publishing this app down the line?	17:40
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ZogG_laptop	lcuk, to extras	17:40
lardman	ZogG_laptop: I'd be interested to hear the answer to that question too	17:40
lcuk	afaik in the project file (or configurator for it) you can add dependencies	17:41
Treibholz	[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/deb/python-dateutil-1.4.1] > file /usr/share/pyshared/setuptools/cli.exe	17:41
Treibholz	/usr/share/pyshared/setuptools/cli.exe: MS Windows PE 32-bit Intel 80386 console executable not relocatable	17:41
Treibholz	ARRGGGHHHH!!!!	17:42
ZogG_laptop	lcuk, i tried on first when i did desktop app. it was build fine for desctop but not for maemo	17:42
ZogG_laptop	khertan_, probably knows	17:42
lcuk	ZogG_laptop, perhaps it considers that dependencies are already installed whilst running from ide->device ?	17:42
ZogG_laptop	on device it is installed	17:43
ZogG_laptop	on computer as well	17:43
ZogG_laptop	the question is if it builds in SDK it probably uses SDK rootsys	17:43
Treibholz	why are there windows-files installed?	17:43
lcuk	ZogG_laptop, check the package .deb itself and see what dpkg says are its dependencies etc	17:44
lcuk	autobuilder will follow those	17:44
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ZogG_laptop	lcuk, u don't get, i'm truing to build my own package and it does depends on existing package	17:45
lcuk	ZogG_laptop, do you have an actual .deb built somewhere from the middle of the qt sdk?	17:46
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ZogG_laptop	lcuk, nope i can't build deb until i resolve dependies issues =(	17:48
Treibholz	maybe Nokia is already sabotaging the Maemo-SDK...	17:48
ZogG_laptop	but i do have deb of the package my app depends on	17:48
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lcuk	ZogG_laptop, http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-42337.html	17:51
ZogG_laptop	lcuk, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=768020&postcount=12	17:52
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ZogG_laptop	lcuk, now the problem that it ask for pass and mad dev pass is not working	17:56
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divan0	Is gtk-update-icon-cache supposed to be empty or it's just me? Nokia-N900:~# cat /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache	18:00
divan0	#!/bin/sh -e	18:00
divan0	Nokia-N900:~#	18:00
pupnik	i LOVE n900	18:00
pupnik	can stream my security camera using just mplayer	18:00
_berto_	divan0: it is empty, the icon cache is disabled	18:00
pupnik	so much faster than in browser	18:01
divan0	_berto_, why it's disabled?	18:01
_berto_	divan0: to save disk space	18:01
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ZogG_laptop	pupnik, do u have security ca?	18:03
ZogG_laptop	cam/	18:03
E0x	talking about stream , with gstream i can screen the video of the camare right ?	18:03
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E0x	i mean , over the network	18:04
divan0	_berto_, can I tell hildon to reload icons somehow? Simple case - I've my .desktop file and now icon isn't displayed.	18:05
ZogG_laptop	/usr/lib symlinks to?	18:06
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cfreak200	heya, someone send me an mms to my n900 and i didnt have fMMS installed until now, i've got no SMS saying that i've a new mms. Is there a way to ensure it's not my devices fault by forcing fMMS to check for new MMS's ?	18:07
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_berto_	divan0: if it does not work automatically, try with "touch /usr/share/themes" or /usr/share/themes/something	18:08
_berto_	I don't remember now	18:08
_berto_	but I think reloading icons was based on the timestamp of the themes dir	18:08
_berto_	in fact gtk-update-icon-cache should do that	18:09
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divan0	_berto_, thanks for the replies. I'm reading comments for this bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931). Pretty odd.	18:10
povbot	Bug 6931: After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one	18:10
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_berto_	divan0: ah, yeah, I explain it all there :)	18:11
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_berto_	divan0: but I think that patch didn't get accepted	18:12
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divan0	_berto_, for sure it didn't (	18:12
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_berto_	divan0: if you touch the hicolor dir on postinst I think it should fix your problem	18:12
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lcuk	hi _berto_ divan0 \o	18:13
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, playlists working, at least for listing and selection	18:13
MohammadAG	still need to work on sorting them right, they're random atm	18:13
lcuk	_berto_, another thing I think we looked at in the past is also the order the .desktop file and .png icon itself get installed	18:14
_berto_	hi lcuk	18:14
divan0	_berto_, actually my problem is more specific - I create .desktop files and icons in .local directory. And icons do not appear even after reboot. And I double checked syntax and permissions, the icons do not appear.	18:14
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divan0	hi lcuk	18:14
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DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG: nice	18:14
_berto_	i have to leave, guys, sorry	18:14
DocScrutinizer51	sorting and search shouldn't be hard	18:14
lcuk	_berto_, until next time \o	18:15
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, problem is, QListWidget can't insert at row 500 if there are 0 items	18:15
MohammadAG	so I either have to override that, or get mafw to send sorted items	18:16
DocScrutinizer51	umm, yeah	18:16
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MohammadAG	8MBs of RAM, not bad	18:20
MohammadAG	considering it currently has both songs, videos, internet stations with their respective art shown	18:21
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ZogG_laptop	i feel like the world is against me	18:25
ZogG_laptop	i feel like the world is against me	18:25
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG, did u managed to add dependies from extras to Qt SDK for madde?	18:25
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MohammadAG	ZogG_laptop, yes, libqgconf	18:26
ZogG_laptop	and anyone knows how to add repo to scratchbox with https as it gives error while trying to update	18:27
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG how do you do it?	18:27
MohammadAG	i just unpack the deb in the sysroot	18:27
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ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG, i did the same didn't work	18:30
ZogG_laptop	now just did it with non-opt packages	18:30
ZogG_laptop	thanx	18:30
ZogG_laptop	it worked	18:30
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ZogG_laptop	pupnik_, do you still have xmms2?	18:31
Jaffa	MohammadAG: Seen the patch on bug 6931 to fix Gtk+? I was going to ask _berto_ about any performance impact, but he's gone	18:32
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/6931 After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one	18:32
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, ping	18:32
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ruskie	klanging me isn't as effective as actually putting up a question ;)	18:33
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, can u test some app for m	18:34
ruskie	sure	18:35
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG, how do i add it in config as dependies for install	18:35
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, btw xmms2 play just gives me error can't play with no description	18:35
ruskie	?	18:36
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, i don't know why myself, do i need to config anything like audio or something?	18:36
pupnik_	ZogG_laptop: sorry not atm	18:37
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ruskie	ZogG_laptop, ahh you probably need the pulseaudio plugin and set is as default...	18:37
ruskie	though I thought I set that up...	18:37
ruskie	hmm	18:37
ruskie	maybe I should actually try to make this better...	18:37
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ZogG_laptop	xmms2-pulseaudio or how does it calls?	18:38
ZogG_laptop	cal*	18:38
ruskie	xmms2-plugin-pulse	18:38
ruskie	and need to set it as default output	18:38
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2336306/fresh_0.0.1_armel.deb	18:39
ruskie	works...	18:40
ruskie	no display of the metadata yet	18:41
ruskie	but the controls do work	18:41
markinfo	I have just instaled program http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/mydicto/ made some records, but I can not find where this records are saved.	18:41
markinfo	i have founded it.	18:42
niala1	i m a new n900. since 45seconds...	18:42
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, hmm i can't manage xmms2 to work itself	18:43
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, for metadata i need MohammadAG to help me, but he hates me =)	18:43
ruskie	hmm though the app seems to have sent my xmms2d into some cpu spins...	18:43
ruskie	does xmms2 launch? i.e. there's an xmms2d process in the list?	18:44
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ZogG_laptop	ruskie, app doesn't start it	18:45
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ruskie	erm... ow... you're trying to autolaunch it...	18:45
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ruskie	I had it running already	18:45
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, i'll play with code after if i'm not sure if i need to sent commands and wait for reply or just sent and doesn't matter if it works or not	18:45
ruskie	also check: ~/.config/xmms2/xmms2.conf	18:45
ZogG_laptop	ruskie there is pulse as default	18:46
markinfo	can be regulated the sensitivity of mikrofon? I have tested 2 voice recording application an it makes uite silent records.	18:46
ruskie	<property name="plugin">pulse</property>	18:46
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, how do i add all mlib to current playlist?	18:46
ruskie	ZogG_laptop, hmm I always just xmms2 radd dir_of_music	18:46
ruskie	and that adds it in	18:46
Flyser__	Hey guys, I have a problem. I just uninstalled nitdroid on my n900 and rebooted the device. now I see an empty multiboot menu and the device wont boot. what can I do to fix this? :-/	18:46
markinfo	even "mydicto" shows bar of Miicrofon - and it moves just on the bottom.	18:47
Treibholz	Flyser__: flash the stock-kernel.	18:47
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, lemme try it	18:48
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Flyser__	so flashing the kernel will be enough? thanks :) I thought I had to replace the rootfs^^	18:48
Treibholz	Flyser__: no, the kernel is enough.	18:49
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ZogG_laptop	ruskie, it does work but i can't hear anything	18:49
ZogG_laptop	ut it's playing	18:49
Treibholz	Flyser__: I had the same problem just a few days ago :-)	18:49
ruskie	ZogG_laptop, hmm and output is pulse?	18:49
ruskie	are you in silent?	18:49
ZogG_laptop	yes	18:49
ZogG_laptop	nope	18:49
ZogG_laptop	hmm it's wierd	18:50
ZogG_laptop	i ran xmms2 radd /path/to/album	18:50
ZogG_laptop	xmms2 list shows nothing	18:50
ruskie	check .cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log iirc	18:50
ZogG_laptop	couldn't set up chain for ...blah.mp3	18:52
ruskie	missing all the format plugins then	18:52
ruskie	I more or less stripped off all the plugin dependencies by default	18:52
Flyser__	Treibholz: nice :) What is the easiest way to reflash just the kernel? do I have to unpack the FIASCO image?	18:52
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ZogG_laptop	ruskie, i'm using opt repo	18:53
Treibholz	Flyser__: no, the flasher has an option for that	18:53
ruskie	ZogG_laptop, yeah... but you need to install xmms2-plugin-{mp3,ogg,flac,etc...) packages	18:53
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, xmms2-plugin-all is meta?	18:53
ruskie	I think so	18:53
ZogG_laptop	lemme check than	18:53
ruskie	yeah it is	18:54
ruskie	I suggest after that removing it and xmms2-plugin-mad	18:54
ruskie	so it will use mpg123 as the decoder(more optimized decoding)	18:54
ZogG_laptop	yes it is	18:54
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ZogG_laptop	ruskie, yes but than i need to install flac support separetly =(	18:55
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ruskie	ZogG_laptop, ?	18:55
ZogG_laptop	does mad includes flac support?	18:55
ruskie	no	18:55
ruskie	mad is ONLY for mp3	18:55
ruskie	you need: xmms2-plugin-flac	18:55
ruskie	if you want flac	18:55
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, that's why i like gentoo =)	18:56
ruskie	mad is also crap performance wise	18:56
ruskie	why?	18:56
ruskie	because they insanely patch crap?	18:56
ZogG_laptop	USE="mad flac" emerge xms2 =)	18:56
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ruskie	ZogG_laptop, well if I do a fresh package I'd like to roll it all into a single deb	18:56
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Flyser__	Treibholz: flasher-3.5 -F /home/flyser/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel doesnt work here. what is wrong?	18:56
slonopotamus	it's just funny: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-71b68f0044a911e0bf1a35436917efdfefdf	18:57
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ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG, now i will bug you with stupid question as finally i set up dev enventory right	19:00
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ZogG_laptop	ruskie, what do you think to get metadata from file or from xmms2?	19:03
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ruskie	since xmms2 has a mlib I'd get it from there	19:03
ZogG_laptop	ruskie, okay it would take me a lot of time to make something kinda usebale but what do you think i should add first after current song display?	19:04
ruskie	maybe albumart support?	19:05
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DocScrutinizer	Flyser__: a bit more of info WHAT is happening for sure would help to help you	19:06
MohammadAG	ZogG_laptop, what's "enventory"?	19:06
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG it means my english sucks	19:07
DocScrutinizer	Flyser__: I mean "doesn't work here" is a bit thin	19:07
ZogG_laptop	ruskie i'm planning to add album art, volume, progress bar, song info	19:08
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ruskie	planing on making a desktop widget as well?	19:08
ZogG_laptop	thinking of playlist/medialib or add dir	19:08
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ZogG_laptop	ruskie, sure, if i figure it out how to make widget, as in qt creator i have desktop widget or mobile app but not mobile widget and i dunno Qt at all	19:09
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ZogG_laptop	ruskie i was thinking to steal nicolai's widget and change relevant code and delete unrelevant for now	19:09
Flyser__	DocScrutinizer: well I was able to flash the kernel using flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R, but the device will still show an empty multiboot menu on startup	19:09
ruskie	btw ZogG_laptop considered signig up for gsoc with xmms2?	19:10
DocScrutinizer	yeah, multiboot is a bitch	19:10
Flyser__	DocScrutinizer: This happened after deinstalling nitdroid	19:10
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ZogG_laptop	ruskie nope	19:11
ZogG_laptop	ruskie i'm too stupid for that	19:11
ruskie	why?	19:11
Flyser__	Treibholz: is that what you did or anything else?	19:11
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DocScrutinizer	sorry I never looked too deep into multiboot, as I know it's a nasty hack. My guess would be you either fix things with a lenghty procedure involving booting rescue-initrd and hacking on shell level. Or reflash rootfs	19:12
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DocScrutinizer	and for sure I suggest you go #nitdroid to kick some asses	19:13
Flyser__	how can I boot a rescue-initrd?	19:13
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Flyser__	is it possible to boot the default kernel without permanently flashing it to the device?	19:19
ruskie	yup	19:19
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Flyser__	how?	19:19
ruskie	using flasher... but not flashing it	19:20
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ruskie	don't recall it atm...	19:20
Flyser__	"--flash-only=kernel -l -R" ?	19:20
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Flyser__	doesnt work :-/	19:24
DocScrutinizer	http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd	19:25
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Venemo	hi	19:26
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Flyser__	DocScrutinizer: thanks, but the links are dead :-/	19:31
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Flyser__	nvm. I found the correct files elsewhere	19:33
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DocScrutinizer	http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.90/1.1.90.5.20110301.7/repos/oss/armv7l/packages/armv7l/nokia-n900-rescue-initrd-0.2.2-1.65.armv7l.rpm	19:36
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MohammadAG	http://i52.tinypic.com/waou8k.jpg <-- playlist screenshot	19:38
DocScrutinizer	I'm so fed up with nitdroid and multiboot and talking users raped by those out of their problems	19:39
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javispedro	well they took the easy way to solve an unsourmountable project	19:41
DocScrutinizer	Flyser__: pretty please go to nitdroid whatever is the place those dudes meet, and kick somebody's ass about this issue	19:41
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Flyser__	I will ;)	19:42
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Flyser__	how can I input a slash in the rescue initrd?	19:45
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DocScrutinizer	nobody told so far how to enter / and other special chars there	19:50
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DocScrutinizer	so if you find a way, please share	19:50
Flyser__	sigh :-/	19:50
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Flyser__	I don't even understand why booting the default maemo kernel through flasher is not working :-/	19:52
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DocScrutinizer	probably modules mismatch	19:52
Flyser__	the device just turns off after flashing ...	19:52
DocScrutinizer	or wrong kernel cmdline	19:52
Flyser__	what kernel cmdline do I have to set?	19:53
Flyser__	I dont think module mismatch might be the cause	19:53
Flyser__	I was using the stock kernel before. no power kernel or anything	19:53
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DocScrutinizer	even when booting a temporary kernel, I'd guess the result would be the same. Multiboot is "userland", not kernel. So whatever kernel you boot, if it's using the existing rootfs and kernel cmdline, you'll end in same empty multiboot menu	19:59
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ruskie	you could substitiue the init= param with some rm of the multiboot script	20:01
DocScrutinizer	yep	20:01
DocScrutinizer	but you'd have to make damn sure what exactly you are doing, as a mere removal of arbitrary scripts might not fix the problem	20:02
ruskie	hmm shouldn't just removing of that /bootmenu.sh work?	20:02
DocScrutinizer	yeah, probably	20:02
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DocScrutinizer	:-D	20:03
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Flyser__	which partition on mmcblk0 is the rootfs? I cant even execute /bin/sh ...	20:17
MohammadAG	it's on /dev/mtd5	20:20
MohammadAG	heh dual core A5 by apple	20:20
niala1	question: when n900 battery is full, icon battery should stop moving?	20:22
E0x	and a notification msg will show	20:23
E0x	telling you it	20:23
timeless_office	niala1: i don't think it does	20:23
E0x	and led will green	20:23
timeless_office	the way you know it's "Full" is you get an info banner and potentially a greed led (if you haven't disabled that)	20:23
timeless_office	s/greed/green/	20:23
infobot	timeless_office meant: the way you know it's "Full" is you get an info banner and potentially a green led (if you haven't disabled that)	20:23
alterego	niala1: yes ,and if the screen is off the indicator led should show constant green	20:24
niala1	ok	20:25
niala1	it's a second hand, with no doc	20:25
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ZogG_laptop	ruskie, still here, want you to try something	20:26
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niala1	can i see % of battery full ?	20:34
DocScrutinizer	timeless_office: niala1: here the status area battery icon animation stops when battery is full	20:35
timeless_office	not when charging	20:35
niala1	ok	20:35
timeless_office	if you unplug, there's a way to get a value	20:35
timeless_office	doc: here i can't charge, i just exhaust and swap :)	20:36
DocScrutinizer	niala1: lshal\|grep bat	20:36
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Flyser__	any idea what might be wrong here: flasher-3.5 -k boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900 -l -b"rootdelay=1 root=/dev/mtdblock5 init=/bin/sh"	20:36
Flyser__	it fails with "unable to mount rootfs"	20:37
DocScrutinizer	niala1: lshal\|grep battery.charge_level.percentage actually	20:37
niala1	whereis \|	20:37
DocScrutinizer	mtdblock5 never seen	20:37
DocScrutinizer	isn't that mtdblk	20:37
Flyser__	mtdblk5 doesn't work either	20:38
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# ls /dev/mtd*	20:38
DocScrutinizer	/dev/mtd0 /dev/mtd1 /dev/mtd2 /dev/mtd3 /dev/mtd4 /dev/mtd5	20:38
Flyser__	neither does /dev/mtd5	20:39
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Flyser__	is there a cmdline option to disable the nokia splash screen? that would allow me to use the default kernel	20:41
timeless_office	niala1: \| is either blue-C (EUR remapped as PIPE - e.g. if you have the hebrew keymap), or it's in the on screen keyboard	20:42
ZogG_laptop	if (ui->play_bt->text == "Play") < where is my mistake?	20:42
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DocScrutinizer	Flyser__: I found http://pastebin.com/Dvi54udu , it might help to figure how to "do things" in early boot - it looks exactly like my /sbin/preinit	20:45
niala1	ok nice	20:45
DocScrutinizer	Flyser__: according to /proc/cmdline (>>init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6<<) preinit is what kernel starts as init process	20:45
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Flyser__	doesn't boot either :-/ just reboots	20:48
Flyser__	this sucks big time ... :(	20:49
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DocScrutinizer	err, sorry. WHAT doesn't boot either?	20:51
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Flyser__	the default kernel loaded through flasher with your cmdli ne	20:51
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DocScrutinizer	well, this cmdline is for normal boot from NAND	20:52
Flyser__	thats why I was hoping that it works	20:52
DocScrutinizer	what should work? Entering borked multiboot? that can be done by booting the very normal way	20:53
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Flyser__	yes. that would be a starting point to modify the cmdline into something executing /bin/sh or whatever	20:54
DocScrutinizer	look, your system actually boots, as it shows this multiboot menu. It's just not running the normal init process and scripts. So messing with a new kernel won't help at all	20:55
Flyser__	I understand that. I was going to follow the suggesting to delete /bootmenu.sh	20:56
Flyser__	but it seems hopeless :-(	20:57
DocScrutinizer	as ruskie suggested, changing init=/sbin/preinit to init=/bin/rm /bootmenu.sh (or similar with better syntax) could kick out the multiboot	20:57
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Flyser__	no it wont ... a) the filesystem is not mounted rw, b) it does not seem possible to supply arguments to commands with "init="	20:58
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DocScrutinizer	or use rescue-initrd and in shell there mount and cd to / of original rootfs, then `mv bootmenu.sh nobootmenu.sh`	20:59
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Flyser__	how can I mount the rootfs if I can not enter /	20:59
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lcuk	Flyser__, the rescue-initrd would have its own / and from there you could attempt to mount/rescue the defective volume	21:05
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DocScrutinizer	pwd\|cut -b 1	21:10
DocScrutinizer	might help somehow	21:10
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DocScrutinizer	dunno if you got $() or `	21:10
Venemo	achipa: ping	21:11
ruskie	$() should work in all posix shs	21:11
niala1	another question: i need a usb , i have to buy a 'normal' mini usbwire?	21:11
DocScrutinizer	SLASH=$(pwd\|cut -b 1)	21:11
pupnik	very nice ip cam viewer with huge list of supported cams... http://hit-mob.com/ip-cam-viewer-android/	21:11
DocScrutinizer	ruskie: lcuk: the problem is the fsckdup keymap in rescue-initrd sh	21:11
ruskie	ahh	21:11
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Flyser__	lcuk: how would I mount something without being able to enter a slash	21:12
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DocScrutinizer	I'd suggest to patch the .profile of rescue-initrd to include some aliases	21:12
niala1	i need usb to install app on maemo.org ?	21:13
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niala1	usbnetwork	21:13
BCMM	niala1: no, any kind of network connection will let you install apps	21:13
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niala1	just add repo then.. ok	21:14
BCMM	niala1: some people use USB networking because they don't have a wireless router and don't want to use up their mobile broadband cap	21:14
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niala1	the seller has keep the microcard :(	21:16
BCMM	niala1: ?	21:16
BCMM	if you mean microSD, the n900 doesn't come with one	21:17
niala1	a second hand n900	21:17
niala1	ok	21:17
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BCMM	there is an empty microSD card slot; you don't need one unless you run out of space	21:19
BCMM	or want to put your camera's card in there or something	21:19
niala1	i thinking about meego	21:19
ruskie	or have a need for it ;)	21:19
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niala1	well i suppose is not a good idea to test n900fly !	21:20
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niala1	i m very happy, this is not a brick at all.	21:21
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Flyser__	flashing rootfs now -.-"	21:25
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DocScrutinizer	Flyser__: for helping your ass-kicking: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=950214#post950214	21:37
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piggz	Flyser__: you could have just flashed the kernel part, and not the whole rootfs....i did it on the train on sunday after badly installing kernel-power	21:40
niala1	well, there is any default password for root ?	21:40
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niala1	please :)	21:44
DocScrutinizer	piggz: that's nonsense. The device booted til multiboot menu. So what's a kernel-flashing going to change with that?	21:45
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niala1	i need to be root to runn ifconfig?	21:47
DocScrutinizer	a new kernel regularly doesn't change the way init process is working	21:47
piggz	DocScrutinizer: doesnt the kernel live where multimoot has been put...like uboot?	21:47
DocScrutinizer	nope	21:47
DocScrutinizer	/sbin/preinit calls /bootmenu.sh calls multiboot	21:48
DocScrutinizer	afaik	21:48
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niala1	is ifconfig on maemo?	21:49
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steve___	niala1: yes you need root	21:49
DocScrutinizer	yes	21:49
steve___	niala1: Are you familiar with ssh?	21:49
slonopotamus_	niala1: /[usr/]sbin/ifconfig	21:49
slonopotamus_	niala1: right, just sbin	21:50
niala1	ty . is there any default password? or the seller has put in his? sorry for my englidh	21:50
niala1	english	21:50
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njsf	re	21:50
njsf	Sc0rpius: ping	21:50
slonopotamus_	niala1: install rootsh, then run "root" in terminal, then "passwd" and set whatever password you want	21:51
divan	niala1, there is no default password	21:51
DocScrutinizer51	use 'root' instead of su	21:51
steve___	niala1: you need to install a package to get root access. Are you familiar with ssh?	21:51
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niala1	²ssh yes, but i haven't usb wire	21:51
DocScrutinizer51	onstall pkg rootsh	21:51
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DocScrutinizer51	use 'root' instead of su	21:52
DocScrutinizer51	no password	21:52
niala1	well, i suppose it's better for a second hand to erase and flash the device	21:52
DocScrutinizer51	:-/	21:52
DocScrutinizer	see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools on how to enable proper root password for 'root'	21:53
slonobot	Title of DocScrutinizer's link: User:Joerg rw/tools - maemo.org wiki	21:53
slonopotamus_	slonobot: o_O	21:53
slonobot	No such factoid 'o_O'; did you mean [global channel] goto or oreo?	21:53
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steve___	niala1: If you plan on using ssh, then install openssh and you will get root access	21:53
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niala1	ty all	21:54
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ZogG_laptop	hmm	21:58
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ZogG_laptop	how do i make Label in Qt to change all the time as value of text is changed?	21:59
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ZogG_laptop	ruskie, artist and title now shows up but doesn't change with the song =)	22:00
pupnik	sometime in 2011 we might get The Last Express playing on N900	22:02
divan	ZogG_laptop, connect text changed signal to slot function which updates label. If no such signal, emit it when text is changed,	22:02
pupnik	so buy it and download it :)	22:02
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ZogG_laptop	divan, i have function that actually change the label	22:02
ZogG_laptop	set the label	22:03
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ZogG_laptop	how do i connect the signal	22:03
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divan	ZogG, first of all, do you have a signal which is emitted when the text changes?	22:05
MohammadAG	QObject::connect()	22:05
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ZogG_laptop	divan, i dunno what ya talking as i'm really really new and noob to Qt	22:06
divan	ZogG_laptop, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/signalsandslots.html	22:06
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ZogG_laptop	i never understand mans or tuts, i need to see an example to understand but lemme check	22:06
divan	ZogG_laptop, Qt docs are super easy. It's not like man reading :)	22:07
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divan	Actually, docs are one of the primary Qt's pros	22:07
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ZogG_laptop	i could a loop but it would be stupid	22:11
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ZogG_laptop	so actually i have to make 2 functions	22:11
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ZogG_laptop	one is getting the data and other is setting and connect them?	22:12
Flyser__	I fear I might have bricked my whole device. I can't flash my device anymore. flasher does not detect the device anymore O_o	22:12
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ZogG_laptop	Flyser__, does it detct it before? what system? battery state? more info?	22:12
Flyser__	but it shows up in dmesg and it still boots into multiboot	22:12
divan	ZogG_laptop, connect(song_changer, SIGNAL(songChanged(QString)), my_gui_class, SLOT(updateLabel(QString)));	22:12
Flyser__	ZogG_laptop: before what? maemo 5, battery should be nearly full	22:12
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ZogG_laptop	Flyser__, what do u want and have?	22:13
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ZogG_laptop	divan, am i right?	22:13
Flyser__	ZogG_laptop: I want and have Maemo 5 PR 1.3	22:13
DocScrutinizer	Flyser__: battery low	22:14
ZogG_laptop	Flyser__, and what do u have now?	22:14
Flyser__	ZogG_laptop: Maemo 5 PR 1.3 ;)	22:14
ZogG_laptop	~flashing	22:14
infobot	well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	22:14
divan	ZogG_laptop, yes.	22:14
Flyser__	DocScrutinizer: okay, I will leave it charging for a while	22:14
DocScrutinizer	do you think it's charging when sitting in multiboot menu? It's not	22:15
Flyser__	no, but it should charge if it is not booted at all	22:15
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ZogG_laptop	divan i don't get it. do i have to make a function to check if the song is changed or just function of getting data is enuf?	22:15
Flyser__	well. if it "appears" to be not booted at all ;)	22:15
DocScrutinizer	you might be lucky and it enters charging state when you plug in charger to switched off device	22:16
Flyser__	yes, thats what I am doing now	22:16
Flyser__	a pulsing LED should indicate that its charging, right?	22:16
DocScrutinizer	Flyser__: that's called ACT_DEAD and actually is a fully booted state, without display	22:16
DocScrutinizer	yes, flashing LED indicates charging usually	22:16
Flyser__	I know that^^	22:16
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divan	ZogG_laptop, I don't know the architecture of your application. But if you want to use Qt you definitely should understand signals/slots model of Qt. It's easy.	22:19
ZogG_laptop	divan, i did it and i did it wrong as it's not working	22:20
ZogG_laptop	mind to see the code?	22:20
divan	ZogG_laptop, so basically you need a signal which will be emitted when song is changed, and you need a slot which will recieve the signal and update the label.	22:20
divan	ZogG_laptop, try )	22:20
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ZogG_laptop	funny changed code and now i get unrelevant errors in random places =0	22:22
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pupnik	good luck with the xmms2 hacking ZogG_laptop ...	22:23
pupnik	btw hows the cpu usage (@ 250mhz)... mplayer taking up 26% cpu here, plus 15 for pa	22:23
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pupnik	well with a 192kb/s mp3	22:25
pupnik	with a low bitrate mono mp3 it uses about 17%	22:25
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ZogG_laptop	divan, signal means if for exapmle i have X and it's changed in app so it would send signal, than it would check automatic as i declared it as signal or i need to make function that always check that?	22:26
Flyser__	DocScrutinizer: flashing works again. thanks	22:28
pupnik	if you ain't usin 'locate' you missin out!	22:29
pupnik	fo' shizzle	22:29
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divan	ZogG_laptop, none of these. Let's speak in terms of your task :) You need to declare signal songChanged() and emit it when song is changed. When and from where will you emit it depends on architecture of you application. If you have some class which does the song changing you can emit signal directly from that function. If you don't have any control of song changing, and can only check/poll it, then you have to make check functions which will wait for song cha	22:33
divan	nge and emit the signal. Again, depends on your architecture, the signal may not be needed at all - maybe you can call labelUpdate() function directly from check/songChange function. :)	22:33
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ZogG_laptop	i'm confused now	22:35
ZogG_laptop	i changed my original code and now i'm even more confused	22:36
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MohammadAG	reading examples helps :)	22:36
ZogG_laptop	i'm trying my best	22:36
ZogG_laptop	at the end i'll do it anyway =)	22:36
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E0x	ZogG_laptop: just for curiosity , what kind of app are you doing ?	22:41
ZogG_laptop	xmms2 client	22:42
E0x	ok	22:42
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ZogG_laptop	i'm tierd	22:44
ZogG_laptop	i'll try to continue after	22:44
ZogG_laptop	s i'll confused with this slots and signals	22:44
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Flyser__	While reinstalling my newly flashed (-.-) maemo I am wondering why the Community SSU blocks mymenu (or the other way around)?	22:56
Sc0rpius	define "block"	22:57
Flyser__	wait. that was wrong ...	22:58
Flyser__	"mymenu: Depends: mp-fremantle-generic-pr (>= 2.2009.51-1) but it is not going to be installed"	22:58
Flyser__	this is introduced by the community ssu	22:58
Sc0rpius	mp-fremantle-community-pr is introduced by the community ssu	22:59
Sc0rpius	I guess the generic is Maemo stuff, are you sure you have PR1.3?	22:59
Flyser__	yes	22:59
Flyser__	20.2010.36-2	22:59
Flyser__	and cssu: 20.2010.36-2maemo12.5	23:00
Flyser__	maybe "mp-fremantle-community-pr" replaces "mp-fremantle-generic-pr" and mymenu can't depend on it anymore?	23:01
Sc0rpius	yes definitely	23:01
Sc0rpius	looking at the description of mp-fremantle-community-pr:	23:01
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Sc0rpius	Replaces: mp-fremantle-generic-pr, mp-fremantle-203-pr, mp-fremantle-002-pr, mp-fremantle-003-pr	23:01
Sc0rpius	I wonder if that needs a:	23:02
merlin1991	why on earth does it depend on mp-fremantle-generic-pr anyway	23:02
Sc0rpius	Provides: mp-fremantle-generic-pr	23:02
Sc0rpius	ok that's a better question	23:02
Flyser__	merlin1991: because it requires PR1.2	23:02
Flyser__	or newer	23:02
merlin1991	well it could depend on the actual component it needs to have @ pr1.2 level	23:02
Sc0rpius	indeed	23:02
merlin1991	and not the specific metapackage for the system	23:02
Sc0rpius	exactly	23:02
Sc0rpius	because it doesn't need the whole PR1.2 system	23:03
Sc0rpius	just a couple of new packages maybe	23:03
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Flyser__	well ... as I am not the developer of mymenu, I am looking for an easier solution for my problem	23:03
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Sc0rpius	so you should rant via email to the author of mymenu	23:03
merlin1991	edit the deb	23:03
Sc0rpius	what is mymenu for anyway	23:03
merlin1991	Change the menu structure of Maemo 5 include a update funktion for new Apps	23:03
Flyser__	its like categorise or ApMeFo	23:03
Sc0rpius	then install ApMeFo, it's superior	23:03
Flyser__	but harder to use ...	23:04
merlin1991	Flyser__, just edit the .deb file	23:04
Sc0rpius	if you have Scratchbox, apt-get source mymenu	23:04
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Sc0rpius	then modify the debian/control file	23:04
Sc0rpius	then fakeroot dpkg buildpackage -b	23:04
Sc0rpius	then scp the .deb to your phone	23:05
Sc0rpius	then dpkg -i .deb file	23:05
Sc0rpius	I don't think you can vi the .deb file or can you merlin1991 ?	23:05
Flyser__	sigh	23:05
merlin1991	Sc0rpius, you can't vi it but unpack and repack	23:05
Sc0rpius	I think we all agree it's mymenu's fault	23:06
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merlin1991	:D	23:06
merlin1991	Sc0rpius, The internals of this Debian binary packages format are described in the deb(5) manual page. This internal format is subject to change (between major releases of Debian GNU/Linux), therefore please always use dpkg-deb(1) if you need to do lowlevel manipulations on .deb files.	23:06
Flyser__	deb files are .ar files, so one can unpack them using the ar utility	23:07
merlin1991	or dpkg-deb :D	23:07
Flyser__	right ;)	23:08
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DocScrutinizer	dpkg --force-depends ?	23:11
Sc0rpius	--force-all	23:11
DocScrutinizer	f--force-galaxy	23:11
DocScrutinizer	--force-of-the-dark-side	23:12
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merlin1991	dpkg --force-cookies	23:14
lcuk	--force-bacon	23:14
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kerio	Force Bacon sounds like the best jedi power	23:15
Flyser__	Sc0rpius: btw. why is ApMeFo superior	23:15
E0x	beacon...	23:15
E0x	hmmmm	23:15
BCMM	kerio: nah, that's where they get the force from	23:15
BCMM	eating force bacon.	23:15
Sc0rpius	dunno, maybe because it's the one everybody uses?	23:15
Sc0rpius	I like it	23:15
lcuk	kerio, yoda uses the power of the force to flip bacon rashers without using them littlefork things	23:16
Sc0rpius	try --force-depends like DocScrutinizer says, it's faster than unpack/repack	23:16
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steve___	I have a computer and n900 connected to an access point. The computer is connected via ethernet; the n900 via wireless. Average ping times to the n900 are 235ms.	23:27
steve___	Any idea why this is so high?	23:27
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kerio	steve___: botched powersaving maybe	23:28
kerio	disable it from the n900	23:28
kerio	(to check, i mean)	23:28
Flyser__	and ping times from the n900?	23:28
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steve___	kerio: disable power saving on the n900?	23:29
kerio	yeah, for the wifi	23:29
Flyser__	rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 43.678/193.457/359.926/95.127 ms	23:29
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Flyser__	same szenario	23:29
Sc0rpius	rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 33.040/97.985/150.770/35.539 ms	23:30
steve___	Flyser__: pinging from the n900 its around 50ms	23:30
Flyser__	s/z/c/	23:30
infobot	Flyser__ meant: same scenario	23:30
Sc0rpius	no way near your scenario.	23:30
Sc0rpius	well I pinged from the computer	23:30
Sc0rpius	to the N900	23:30
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Flyser__	so did I	23:31
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Flyser__	for ping -f : rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.214/3.139/62.511/3.107 ms	23:31
Flyser__	so its pretty much a non-issue	23:31
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Flyser__	great ... apmefo does not work at all -.-	23:36
LjL	is ogg-support in OS2008 not supposed to give you Ogg tags in the player?	23:38
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