IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-02-26

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TiagoTiagois there a MU* client for the N900 other than TinyFugue?00:36
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TiagoTiagoanything made specificly for use with MU*s?00:39
manaruwhats MU*00:39
calinfastHeh.  I almost gave the 'telnet' answer, but thought it'd be an unhelpful answer.00:39
calinfastMU* is Muds, mucks, etc.00:39
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manaruscreen supports telnet and tty00:41
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calinfastI'm a muck user, though I long ago wrote a web interface to my muck.  Saves me the trouble of finding a decent client.00:41
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TiagoTiagomicroB isn't very good for typing text...00:42
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calinfastIt works for me, though I rarely muck from the tablet.  Mine's an n810, so it might not be quite the same as the n900 in that respect.00:43
TiagoTiagowould gnome-MUD be easy to port?00:44
luke-jrjavispedro: I use vanilla GCC00:45
luke-jrTiagoTiago: all M* clients suck anyway. :p00:45
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luke-jrthey just do00:45
luke-jrtkMOO-light was the best I've seen00:45
luke-jrand it's Tcl/tk -.-00:45
jhanelyI was a fan of Pueblo way back in the day.00:45
luke-jrand non-free00:45
jhanelyFor windows, of course.00:45
luke-jrjhanely: Pueblo broke all sorts of standards. IE-like.00:46
jhanelyI know.  But it was a decent experience.00:46
jhanelyFor a really long time after I dumped pueblo, I used a client made in VB by a friend of mine.  It was pretty good.  Except for the part where it was made in VB.00:47
jhanelyLuke-jr:  Any thoughts on where I'm going wrong with building my kernel?00:49
luke-jrjhanely: hmm, not sure. did you try the n8x0_defconfig from the sources I posted?00:50
jhanelyI tried the n8x0_defconfig from the vanilla kernel.  I'll check the ones you posted.00:50
TiagoTiagowhat about clients written in Python?00:51
jhanelyI haven't tried any.00:51
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luke-jrTiagoTiago: Python wouldn't be much better than VB00:51
jhanelyMore portable at least, I'd hope.00:52
luke-jrjhanely: what compiler? I was using Gentoo stable ARM native00:52
TiagoTiagoreally? why?00:52
luke-jrTiagoTiago: cuz Python sucks :p00:52
luke-jrjhanely: Python has no GUI API, so not likely.00:52
luke-jrmaybe if you combined it with PySide, but then it's hybrid Python+Qt00:52
jhanelyMe too - Gentoo arm native, as well as cross-compiling from my gentoo desktop.00:53
TiagoTiagodoesn't Python got it's own GUI system ?00:53
jhanelyThere are libraries for Python to use QT, GTK, etc.00:53
jhanelySo you'd have to use one of those.00:54
luke-jrTiagoTiago: no?00:54
jhanelyI guess you could build your own widgets and whatnot in python.  That'd mostly be a waste of time though.00:55
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jhanelyMaybe a better question would be:  TiagoTiago:  Why are you unhappy with TinyFugue?00:57
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TiagoTiagosorry, crashed, did i miss anything?01:00
jhanelyMaybe.  I asked what makes you unhappy about tinyfugue.01:00
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TiagoTiagoi gotta go find a text file and manually edit it for it even recognize the enter key, and probably will still need to memorize text commands to control the client on top of the commands used in the MU*01:02
jhanelyAck.  That's pretty bad.01:03
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jhanelyHuh.  In the sources you posted, Luke-jr, there's both an n810_defconfig and an n8x0_defconfig.  This looks like a job for vimdiff.01:08
jhanelySay what now?01:09
jhanelyAh, how could I have missed that.  Looks like funny characters.01:09
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TiagoTiagoIs there anything i can do when a program got text fields and other GUI elements only a few pixels tall?02:01
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lcukn900tiagotiago, squint.  file a bug with the dev02:02
TiagoTiagothis one is written in python if that makes a difference02:03
TiagoTiagothe program isn't made with the N900 in mind02:03
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jhanelyIt might be caused by a DPI setting or something.  Not sure what you can do to fix it.02:05
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TiagoTiago <- it's this one i'm having issues with right now02:11
TiagoTiagoit seems it does use QT...02:12
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SpeedEvilAnyone heard of possiilities to change the IMEI? (For good, honestly)03:03
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: tell me if you find one03:06
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TiagoTiagowhat's that keyboard shortcut that forces a program into portrait mode?03:08
SpeedEvilxrandr -o left ?03:08
TiagoTiagoIt was some key combo in the physical keyboard of the N90003:09
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SpeedEvil('for good' = I want to get a smashed blackberry, and clone the IMEI, and use a 'blackberry only' plan03:17
GeneralAntillespupnik: time for some cuticle care. :P03:19
pupnikeverybody says that03:20
pupnikit's a freakin microscopic macro03:21
pupniki've been told to 'use hand lotion'03:21
pupnikGeneralAntilles: did you see DocScrutinizer's n810 speaker pics?03:22
pupnikit explains well why the n810 has such great sound - the resonant chamber is large enough to magnify midrange frequencies03:22
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: IMEI is living in a config area in cmt flash, it can't be accessed without communicating to cmt OS03:22
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DocScrutinizerergo you can change it if you know what to tell cmt OS to change the setting for you03:23
DocScrutinizercalypso has a secret AT cmd for changing the IMEI, which is protected by crypto measures03:25
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DocScrutinizerdunno if BB5 has a secret cmd, or you need a image of the config area with correct signature, to flash that similar to the way you flash the cmt OS itself03:26
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DocScrutinizerin theory you could change the flash content via JTAG access, if there's JTAG available for that. But still you need to know what exactly to change, and odds are the complete config page in flash is checksummed03:31
ShadowJKNokia gave me a certificate that my device's IMEI has changed when they gave me a replacement device. I wonder if they consider changing the imei as not possible03:34
DocScrutinizererrrr, how's that related? I guess the IMEI change cert is to prove you've not done any fraud03:36
GeneralAntillespupnik: yes, use hand lotion. *g*03:38
GeneralAntillesGreat picture, though.03:38
GeneralAntillespupnik: add some information to the description03:38
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ShadowJKWell I mean I'd rather they'd moved the imei to the replacement03:42
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Thought so.03:42
SpeedEvilShadowJK: Interesting.03:43
ShadowJKBecause if they changed imei, I'd get angry birds back03:43
TiagoTiagois there a way to force a program to go fullscreen (loose the title bar and use the full vertical span of the screen) ?03:43
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: setting IMEI is a well kept secret algo in fab calibration software, it's not available at repair desk03:46
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luke-jrShadowJK: even if you can't change IMEI, you could always (theoretically) send something else in place of it03:49
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DocScrutinizeryeah, I guess the method/function to ask for IMEI can be patched to fake any arbitrary one03:50
DocScrutinizerso, while OTA is using correct IMEI, the APE is seeing whatever you want it to see03:52
DocScrutinizerI'd suggest to check/monitor dbus and pnatd invocation03:53
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DocScrutinizerand check if angry birds maybe is linked against libisi or siblings directly03:53
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TiagoTiagois there a way to force a program to go fullscreen (loose the title bar and use the full vertical span of the screen) ?03:54
TiagoTiagohow can i do it?03:55
DocScrutinizeryou can see ovi-maps doing that (and I haze it)03:55
DocScrutinizerxterm does as well03:55
DocScrutinizerxchat does03:56
TiagoTiagoNo, i mean, force a program that doesn't got that function builtin03:56
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DocScrutinizeralas hildon has no generic window-property-settings03:57
DocScrutinizerlike KDE for example has03:57
TiagoTiagoIt sounds like the type of thing that would be done by running a terminal command after the program is launched, or by using an special launcher program03:57
DocScrutinizerbut then, what's going to happen to the program's menu (if there's any)?03:59
TiagoTiagowould become innacessible while it is fullscreen03:59
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pupnikthanks GeneralAntilles04:03
pupniki would like to take pics of products... it's not hard04:03
pupnikyou just make sure that the basic lighting is ok, and things are sharp04:04
pupnikif you want to get fancy, do a little 'composition'04:04
pupnikwhen things work out really well, like that pic, the beauty of the object just shines through04:05
pupnikwhen i realized how the speaker works, i was like  beautiful...04:05
nox-which pic? :)04:05
pupnikthe n900 speaker pic04:05
pupnikyou can see the reflections of the copper on the baffling04:06
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pupnikand the contrast range between front to back turned out perfect04:07
pupnikno photoshop/gimp needed04:07
TiagoTiagoDo you know if the tech requirements and the shape of the speaker modules match the ones on any other Nokia device?04:07
pupnikthe flexible portion04:07
pupnikTiagoTiago: there is a supplier that claims compatible modules04:07
TiagoTiagoAre theirs any better than the factory ones?04:08
pupniki don't know04:09
pupnikmaking soundwaves requires space04:10
TiagoTiagoyou mean for the speaker "cone" to move?04:10
pupniki'm just building my own desktop planar speakers04:10
pupnikno for the speaker cone to create a sound pressure wave04:10
pupnikif you set such a speaker out in the open air, it is almost inaudible04:11
TiagoTiagoif you only move a very small bit, but do it very fast, isn't it the same as moving a bigger distance slower?04:11
pupniki don't think i can explain speakers in irc04:12
TiagoTiagodon't know the words for the concepts?04:12
pupniki have a few books on the concepts04:12
pupniklet me compress them04:12
pupnikthere you go04:13
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TiagoTiagois that the IBDN or whatever, the code of the book?04:13
SpeedEvilTiagoTiago: broadly - no. If you move a little bit very fast, you have a very short time of total movement. This means a high pitch04:13
SpeedEvilTiagoTiago: So you can output high frequencies well. But not low ones04:14
TiagoTiagooh, i see04:14
TiagoTiagowell, what if you use some form of pulse encoding?04:14
* nox- now has nubert nubox 381 which sound `good enough' for me (but they dont fit in a phone :)04:14
pupnikwhich ones nox- ---04:15
pupnikshow pix04:15
SpeedEvilTiagoTiago: A great idea, now how do you redesign your ears to be compatible with it04:16
pupniknice choice nox- - you have taste04:16
pupniki would love to hear them04:16
nox-yeha i like them too :)04:16
TiagoTiagoNo need, that is how those open air plasma speakers (like those using giant tesla coils) work04:17
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nox-i dont have `golden ears' but i also dont like `bruellwuerfel' :)04:17
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SpeedEvilTiagoTiago: It's really not.04:17
pupniknox-:  these were mine, silk dome - good deal
GeneralAntillespupnik: need a sharper camera, though. ;)04:17
TiagoTiagoThey don't encode the audio frequency as pulse length or density?04:18
SpeedEvilTiagoTiago: Also - open air plasma speakers _suck_ for bass too. Due to the same reason - the swept volume is tiny04:18
pupniknox-: now i have these;action=gallery;sa=view;id=1285004:18
SpeedEvilTiagoTiago: No. They heat the air plasma which then heats and cools rapidly, expanding and contracting.04:18
nox-looks expensive :)04:18
SpeedEvilTiagoTiago: They may use PWM, or some other means of modulating the current - bit this is only to set the average current.04:19
pupnikcheap for the sound...04:19
SpeedEvilMy current audio solution is a thinkpad X61S base.04:19
* SpeedEvil needs to hook up his amp properly.04:20
TiagoTiagoI thought they just modulated the thunderclap, and the human ear or brain just blended the individual sudden sounds together04:20
SpeedEvilTiagoTiago: not really.04:20
SpeedEvilIt's pretty much linear04:20
pupniknox-: a german company is the only one in the world making these drivers - hold a sec04:20
SpeedEvilMore current -> Hotter plasma, larger.04:20
TiagoTiagokinda like how gray tones can be made of alternating light and dark lines04:21
TiagoTiagoso you're saying the soundwaves come out curvy instead of being a bunch of spikes close together?04:23
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SpeedEvilPretty much04:24
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TiagoTiagoSmall speakers should still be able to produce square or sawtooth waves at lower frequencies, no?04:26
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TiagoTiagoSince we're talking about speaker designs, tell me what you think about this one i've come up with:04:28
pupniknox-: i got the drivers :)_
SpeedEvilBroadly, to make sound, you need to make pressure waves.04:28
pupnikbut brian cheney vastly improved them04:29
SpeedEvilThis means you need to make air flow.04:29
pupniklike a firecracker04:29
pupnikir a fart escaping from a fat lady04:29
SpeedEvilTo have any low frequencies, you need to move air for a long time04:29
pupnikthat is sound04:29
pupnikyou can make some sound with a pin moving back and forth at 20 hz04:30
pupnikbut nobody can hear it04:30
TiagoTiagoThere are 4 drivers, one on each corner of a single flat sheet (plastic, metal or whatever), about the size of the N900 screen, each can work indenpently for 4ch sound and together for the bassier range04:30
nox-pupnik, :)04:30
SpeedEvilIf you have a limited volume of air you can move - say the .05cm^3 that a n900 speaker can move - you are sharply limited in low frequency response.04:31
TiagoTiagoWhat do you think of that idea?04:31
SpeedEvilTiagoTiago: It dosn't really work well04:31
SpeedEvilTiagoTiago: It works somewhat better if you put them in the middle04:31
TiagoTiagoHow other Nokia devices manage such a good response in their speakers?04:31
SpeedEvilBy having more volume in the case.04:31
pupnikSpeedEvil is correct04:32
pupniknot just in the case, but in the speaker enclosure04:32
TiagoTiagoso even smaller devices got more unused space inside?04:32
pupnikTiagoTiago: why do people build big boxes for speakers?04:32
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pupnikwhy not just wave a sheet in the air?04:32
TiagoTiagoI used to think it was cause they managed to save energy by taking advantage of the ressonance, but from what i'm being told here it seems you can't bruteforce lower frequencies out of a small speaker...04:34
SpeedEvilPretty much.04:35
SpeedEvilIt's exactly analogous to water waves04:35
SpeedEvilFill your  bath.04:35
SpeedEvilNow, it's really easy to slosh it back and forward if you get in and move your body.04:36
SpeedEvilIt's really hard if you use a pencil.04:36
TiagoTiagoif you flick a water drop fast enough it will move a lot of water when it hits more water04:36
SpeedEvil'flicking really hard' causes distortion though.04:36
TiagoTiagothe mass-speed equivalency thing04:37
TiagoTiagoI see04:37
pupniknice analogy SpeedEvil - pencil / tub04:39
pupniki bet you can make 0.5hz waves with the pencil, but nobody can see them04:39
TiagoTiagoBut if the tub ressonates at half a hertz eventually the waves might build up04:41
TiagoTiagoBut you can't make it instantaneouslly, if you move the pencil too fast the water cavitates04:42
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: and for sure you can make 1000Hz waves with your whole body, but I bet that hurts ;-)04:46
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: the last thing you want on a speaker are resonances04:48
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DocScrutinizeractually the box volume of a bas reflex speaker (sealed enclosure type) is carefully tuned with the "spring force" and mass of the speaker cone, to eliminate the resonance frequence of the speakerdriver alone aka free-air04:50
TiagoTiagoI thought the speakers were made with big wooden boxes exactly for resonance...04:50
DocScrutinizeryeah, exactly for eliminating one resonence with another identical one, to use a simplified explanation04:51
TiagoTiagoSame thing for that highend speaker that got a nautilus shell for the woofer04:51
TiagoTiagoI thought it was to amplify certain frequency ranges for "free"04:51
DocScrutinizerau contraire04:51
DocScrutinizerbut, as pupnik said, it's really not possible to explain the whole complex topic of speaker operation princibles and physics here in IRC04:53
DocScrutinizernot even a single flavor of them04:54
DocScrutinizernot to start with horns and transmission lines04:54
TiagoTiagoI'm understanding everything so far04:54
DocScrutinizerthe basic problem is: bass is "louder" than treble04:55
DocScrutinizerI.E. you have to move a lot more air, and also need higer presures, while a treble sound has all it's energy in velocity04:56
DocScrutinizerlike plue light is more aggressive than red04:56
DocScrutinizerthat's why you always got huge bass speakers and tiny tweeter domes04:57
DocScrutinizeran engine with 5L has same power like an engine with 0.1L, if you run the small engine at 50 time the RPM04:59
DocScrutinizer(well, not really, but it's quite intuitive)04:59
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TiagoTiagoIs there a way i can make the hardware keyboard modifier keys (shift and Fn) work inside a Tcl program the way they work in hildonized programs?05:09
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: and the n810 was still amazing05:17
pupnikwhatever balance of components they had there,.... it was maybe the best i've heard05:18
pupnikthere is a psychoacoustic phenomenon where the ear 'extrapolates' frequencies down05:19
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pupnikit hears overtones occuring at a higher frequency, pulse modulated, and it re-creates the bass tone "belonging" to it05:20
pupnikthat also apples to high frequencies 'extending' to mids05:20
pupnikif done right05:20
pupnikit's an art05:20
pupnikin fact it's the reason why kids think they are hearing music from these tweeters in cell phones05:21
nox-oh yeah thats what those tiny bose speakers do i suppose?05:22
pupniki think you are thinking of their waveguides05:23
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pupnikthe miniature bose radio05:24
pupniki haven't studied that05:24
nox-not just a speaker by itself ofc05:24
nox-speaker + amp05:24
pupniki think the bose soundwave is a 'transmission line' speaker05:24
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nox-hm the radio does that too?05:26
pupnikvague memory, i thought it did05:26
nox-ah ok, interesting05:27
pupnikfor hi-fi snobs it is crap05:27
pupnikweee, i was right05:28
nox-hehe nice05:29
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nox-you read german right?  then this might also be interesting:
nox-that pdf on there05:33
pupnikmany of my friends liked nubert05:33
pupnikyours have silk/soft dome?05:33
pupniki like those better than metal05:33
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pupnika quality 2-way pair just sounds great05:34
pupnikbut i could never order online05:35
pupnikoh i just got a pair of ebay speakers for 1 euro05:35
pupnikgoing to drop the rm8-neo drivers in there and experiment05:35
pupnikyou should hear vmps or planars sometime05:36
pupnikor some infiniti / kappa / wharfedale / vandersteen / magneplan05:36
pupnikwith the planar drivers05:36
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pupnikthey can have their own problems of course05:37
pupnikbut they deliver midranges very differently than conic speakers05:37
pupnikkind of like switching to an electric car05:39
pupniknot always the best solution, but very interesting and completely superior in some ways05:40
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Sazpaimonhey N900 owners07:48
Sazpaimonwhat say you on this07:48
Sazpaimonguy says it "shows that its charging but won't power on07:48
Sazpaimonwithout any more details than that, what could be its possible cause. If it's something simple like a reflash, I think $170 would be well worth it07:49
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Sazpaimonalso, if it's something slightly more serious, the nokia store is a train ride away07:54
Sazpaimonjust curious if it seems like something simple to the experts here07:54
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DocScrutinizerquite common FPC defect -> screen black ->
Sazpaimonyikes, so i might need to tack on another $50 to this?07:58
DocScrutinizerplus service07:59
Sazpaimoni'd be better off just sniping a working one then07:59
DocScrutinizerI'd say for 170 bucks you get a "working condition, like new"08:00
Sazpaimonnope, they usually go for $250 or more08:00
Sazpaimoncheapest working one I see is at $180, and that's at 22 bids and ending in 2,5 days08:01
Sazpaimonmost of the buy it nows are listed at $370 or more08:02
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RST38hMan Discovers His Online Girlfriend of 2.5 Years Is FakeAfter Paying Her $200,00008:31
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psycho_oreosscammed because of one's gullibility-ness?08:35
doc|homelets be honest, we've all been messed about by a girl one time at one stage or another. She just got away with it for longer than most.08:38
RST38hThere wasn't any girl to begin with, just a Nigerian scammer.08:39
doc|homefair enough, then he's an idiot08:40
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Termanagood morning09:53
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JaffaMorning, all10:12
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Cor-Aijaffa cree!10:13
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slonopotamuswtf is going on with python on autobuilder?
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pupnikwow look at all the new apps "_11:27
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divanpupnik, what new apps?11:31
pugvadersince april, 201011:32
pugvadermuch has been done11:32
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pugvaderpupnik just fixed his N90011:35
pupnik'twas a paperweight not bootining11:36
pugvaderand by the power of grayskull...11:36
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pupnikoh wow yes rootfs does fill fast11:45
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pupnikugh this terminal hurts my eyes to read11:48
pupnikgive us a 4-5" screen pls11:48
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pupnikuninstalling one app takes > 1 minute?11:54
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keriowith HAM?12:01
kerioi doubt 1 minute is enough12:01
pupnikjust trying to install fapman since 1/2 hour12:02
pupnikhad to relink /var/cache/apt/archives to /opt12:03
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pupnikpulling in the 1.3 updates it seems12:03
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slonopotamus any ideas?12:04
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pupnikno module named subprocess ...12:06
slonopotamusyep. but where it is gone?12:06
pupniki don't know python12:07
pupnikis there a module 'subprocess' or is it a spurious error?12:07
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slonopotamuswell, on n900 it is definitely present12:07
* slonopotamus sends new bunch of curses to scratchbox devs12:08
* pupnik so happy he fixed water-damaged system board with 12:08
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pupnikslonopotamus: what can you do to resolve this?12:10
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slonopotamuspupnik: already did. added python to SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE12:15
* slonopotamus really wants SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=*12:15
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dm8tbrpupnik: ah, isopropyl to the rescue :) - did that to a 9300 too recently12:23
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pupnikdm8tbr: it's the first time it has actually worked for me12:41
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pupniki wish n900 would setup usb networking on connect to pc13:20
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slonopotamuspupnik: then you wouldn't be able to plug it into media player and watch videos from mmc13:21
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pupnikslonopotamus: well you get the option to do storage mode or pc suite13:32
pupnikwhat is pc suite for anyway13:32
slonopotamusno idea13:32
MetallikettuFor pc-suite mode :)13:33
MetallikettuFor connecting to pc-suite software (pretty useless anyway)13:33
pupnikyeah i never tried it13:35
FireFly|n900To sync calender with Outlook and stuff like that, I think13:39
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FireFly|n900At least that was the case with my old S40 phone13:40
pupnikit would be cool to add "Usb Network" to the list of options13:41
pupnikso happy after 10 months the n900 is back in business :D13:41
villagernokia pc suite also allows you to use the phone as a modem to connect to the internet via gsm/3g13:41
pupnikcool villager so it does network13:42
villagerit can network in pc suite mode yes13:42
lolcatCan I use the sixaxis controller as a mouse in easy debian?13:42
jacekowskiit's if you want to use it as a modem13:42
jacekowskior anything else that's not storage mode13:42
jacekowskior connect it to pcsuite13:42
pupnikthe kernel module needs switching modes iirc13:43
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pupnikfor the usb controller13:43
jacekowskiwell, it could be done with fake usb hub13:43
OkropNickjacekowski: hi, can I ask you something using msg?13:43
jacekowskiso phone could do all modes at once13:43
jacekowskiOkropNick: what?13:43
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OkropNickjacekowski: private question?13:43
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pupnikcheck out "The story of robotron" clips on youtube.  awesome13:53
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* MohammadAG wonders if it'd be possible to iterate over all messages and mark them as read14:01
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pupnikso nice to have the best again14:29
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alteregoIs it possible to get a linux machine with a single wifi card to act as a base station?14:30
alteregoAh, looks like it might be.14:31
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alteregoSweet, this should work quite nicely :D14:32
brekpointyou need to configure a radius server for wlan logins14:33
brekpointthere is a howto which deskribe the whole process14:34
brekpointsearch in google for wlan radius linux14:36
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pupnikdoes mlocate/slocate work?14:43
jacekowskino need for radius14:44
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jacekowskialterego: all you need is a card that can work in STA/master mode14:44
jacekowskialterego: and run hostapd14:44
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alteregojacekowski: yeah, I checked I've got some compatible dongles14:45
jacekowskido you want wpa or wep or no?14:45
alteregoI don't really care about that, wpa 2 psk would be useful but not essential14:45
jacekowskithat's my hostapd config file14:47
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jacekowskithat file contains single line14:47
jacekowski00:00:00:00:00:00 mynetworkkey14:47
alteregoOh, that's great, thanks :)14:48
jacekowskiyou may have to tweak interface names and stuff14:48
alterego~seen javispedro14:48
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 15h 3m 32s ago, saying: 'MIPS. sigh.'.14:48
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villageralterego: my desktop computer has two primary tasks: wifi base station with hostapd (and NAT), and running boinc... I, too, see no reason why you'd want radius on a home network, since that's for EAP authentication on enterprise networks and stuff14:57
RST38halterego: here?14:57
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alteregoyeah, what can I do for you RST38h15:00
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eichihello! is there no way to activate and deactivate the virtuell keyboard with one click (shortcut etc). I only need if vor navigation. allways have to go to options is bad. is there a command in command line, i can use for that?15:35
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eichiah okay, it hides, if i open the hardware keyboard, thats nice ;) kay. now problem dosnt matter15:39
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toadpolehey could someone help me with flashing my n900? i put the phone off, pressed u, connected the cable, released u, now the nokia logo and a usb icon are on the screen... however, windows 7 was unable to install the driver successfully... should i continue?16:10
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Venemotoadpole: many people are experiencing issues on Windows flashing, especially on 64-bit windows16:11
Venemotoadpole: I'd suggest you to try a Linux live cd or something16:11
infoboti guess flashing is
toadpolewait looks like i have to hold 'u' until it successfully installs the driver16:14
toadpolei'm gonna try that16:14
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toadpoleyup, looks like that worked... thanks, though, Venemo16:18
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Venemookay toadpole, I'm glad :)16:18
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toadpoledo i flash the EMMC image first or later?16:20
toadpole( merlin1991 ): suppose i don't flash the FIASCO/rootfs image, what'll i not have?16:27
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merlin1991emmc is just the mydocs part16:28
merlin1991rootfs is the os16:28
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toadpolewhat's this, then? RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM16:28
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psycho_oreosglobal pr1.3 firmware16:30
toadpolethe o/s and the firmware are two different things?16:30
psycho_oreosyou can see the descriptions clearly in the far right of that row16:30
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psycho_oreosno the OS comes with the firmware, the fiasco part16:31
toadpoleso if i flash the firmware, i don't need to do the fiasco step?16:31
psycho_oreosfiasco is firmware16:31
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toadpoleso basically RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM is the file i need for the fiasco step here?16:32
toadpoledamn i have so much to learn, sorry bout being an idiot, people... thanks for your help and patience16:33
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* pupnik is just amazed how awesome n900 feels after not having one for many months16:34
pupnikand even with three row keyboard life is ok in the shell16:34
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toadpolejust one last question, guys... if i first flash the firmware, then the eMMC, that's all i have to do to get it to factory state, right?16:37
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MohammadAGand change lock code back to 1234516:40
MohammadAGbefore reflashing16:40
toadpoledidn't change the lock code so i guess that's okay.. thanks again, all16:40
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Venemogood morning MohammadAG :)16:45
MohammadAGmorning :)16:46
pupnikhey MohammadAG i fixed the waterdamaged n900 :D16:49
pupnikwhat a fun device this is16:49
Venemopupnik, how did you do that?16:51
pupniki cleaned it real clean and then squirted ethanol all over the system board then put it in the oven16:52
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Venemoand you baked it?16:52
pupnikmade a mistake with the temperature control too.  i don't want to know how hot it got16:53
MohammadAGI would've shoved it in rice :)16:53
pupnikand waited months?16:54
MohammadAGgood point, though I'd give up after 48h :P16:54
pupnikis there a 'find my stolen n900' app?16:55
pupnikcool in the pool16:55
MohammadAGI like the iPhone's feature16:55
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MohammadAGbut it makes me think, if Apple can request location anytime, doesn't that ruin privacy?16:55
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MohammadAGor it's push17:01
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pupniki wonder why /var/cache/apt/archives wasn't put on /opt in the first place17:10
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ruskiepupnik, don't forget the apt metadata17:12
ruskiethat can get big as well17:12
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MohammadAGnot apt17:13
fralsis there any legal reason you would want to "*) catch packages of another phones,"?17:14
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kerio <- we need a new nokia plan17:49
toresbeWhere's the joke?17:54
ZogGMohammadAG, hey17:55
toresbeYou mean the funny thing is that Nokia used to make shoes? I knew that.17:55
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DocScrutinizertoadpole: refresh the, read the full page, most of your questions been answered there17:55
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luke-jris there an app that shares GPS info on XMPP status msg with more frequency?18:06
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luke-jrideally with privacy controls to not share location within a defined area18:07
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villagerkerio: besides... already covers it, no?18:15
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ZogGwe should invite graf_choloko to maemo devs =)18:21
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alteregoThat's a popular link today.18:47
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DocScrutinizerthat's also a quite well written article19:39
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DocScrutinizerand seriously to the point19:39
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SpeedEvilI wrote a page or so reply to that, and it seems to have gotten eaten.19:45
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RST38hWould there be iPhones, iPads and iPods on the market today if Sun Microsystems had been able to close a deal to buy out Apple in the mid-1990s? No, says McNealy. 'If we had bought Apple, there wouldn't have been iPods or iPads ... I'd have screwed that up.19:51
* SpeedEvil ponders if the world would be a better place.19:52
steve___Is there a way, on the n900, to buzz when a new email shows up, via imap, in a specific non-inbox folder?19:52
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merlin1991steve___, afaik modest only supports the inbox folder in imap19:58
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steve___merlin1991: ok thank you20:02
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* fil just installed lxp's bleeding edge wifi kernel packages, and now my n900's in a reboot loop -- is it likely that I can just stick an old kernel on to fix this, or will I need a full reflash?20:03
dado7any people speak spanish ?20:03
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dado7i installed fcam driver n900 phone, and instaled others software and codecs... and in this time not work the camera :(   any solution ?20:05
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ruskiefil, you can try20:06
ruskiedado7, what???20:06
filruskie: fair enough -- will do20:06
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ruskiefil, if the issue is just the kernel... it should work20:07
dado7excussme for my bad english. i m speaker spanish. i have fail with camera, dont work. this is after install fcam drivers and others hit for the camera20:07
filruskie: I think that's all, so I'll give it a try (after I've eaten something ...)20:08
ruskiewhat fcam drivers???20:08
dado7and my question is, can i reinstall the factory camera drivers ?20:08
dado7fcam is soft to best photos camera20:08
dado7you can google about this20:09
ruskieso remove it20:11
dado7i remove.....20:12
dado7and dont resolve...20:12
toadpole( dado7 ): that had happened to me as well20:12
toadpolewhat i did was remove all camera related apps20:13
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dado7the las week, i install diferents apps to camera20:13
toadpolejust remove everything related to the camera20:13
toadpolethen install one by one and see which one is the problem20:13
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dado7 i try this20:14
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alteregojavispedro: ping20:14
javispedrohi alterego20:15
javispedroalterego: just pondering if you're going to or are using sqlite for waypoint storage in columbus?20:15
* RST38h moos at javispedro, circles the arena20:15
toadpoleyou think i'd be able to write the meego image to my microsd using my phone in mass storage mode?20:15
ruskietoadpole, why not just do it on-device ?20:16
alteregojavispedro: I am yes20:16
alteregoUsing it that is.20:16
MohammadAGruskie, that would take hours20:16
MohammadAGand the device would surely hang20:16
ruskieMohammadAG, not really20:16
MohammadAGoh, right, uSD20:16
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MohammadAGsorry, I have MeeGo on the eMMC20:17
ruskiebut from my experience any uSD reader so far that I've tried was crap performance wise20:17
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MohammadAGwriting to the eMMC takes ages20:17
toadpolei have a class 10 microsd, would that help?20:17
MohammadAGask ShadowJK20:17
javispedroalterego: I'm extending my garmin protocol talking daemon to be able to exchange waypoints+tracks. For the time being I'm writing them on my own sqlite db but since I don't want to write a "viewer" I'll use your apps format, if you don't mind =)20:17
ruskieif I were to put the uSD into a SD adapter it would always work a lot lot faster20:17
SpeedEviljavispedro: random - #openstreetmap over on irc.oftc.net20:18
alteregojavispedro: sounds good :)20:18
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dado7alterego hablas mi idioma ?20:18
alteregodado7: I have no idea what you're saying20:18
alteregoThis is an English speaking channel.20:18
alteregoSpeak English20:18
ruskieI'm guessing if you speak his language...20:19
dado7your nick ... is spanish20:19
ruskiewas the quesiton ;)20:19
javispedro(note that what I want is to use mapsource, ozi, gpsbabel, or some other grm protocol program to manage waypoints and track logs on my n900, not to talk to a true garmin device)20:19
alteregoI think someone has told me this before.20:19
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javispedrodado7: most latin derived languages read similarly20:20
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toadpoleare the meego repositories as full as the maemo ones?20:20
dado7i know javispedro20:21
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DocScrutinizerdado7: your english is just good enough, don't worry. Our Spanish for sure is worse ;-D20:24
ruskieI do wonder if google translate might have helped with understanding...20:24
dado7jajaja, sometimes is hard to try, but i hope can understand me20:25
DocScrutinizerno problem :-)20:25
dado7you right ruskie20:25
ruskieatleast with the initial question20:25
toadpole( dado7 ): eliminar todas las aplicaciones relacionadas con la cámara, instale uno por uno y ver cuál está causando problemas20:26
dado7The camera does not work, install third party applications20:27
toadpolelets hope google translate's spanish is up to scratch20:27
dado7Can you reinstall the application of the camera?20:28
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dado7okey toadpole20:28
DocScrutinizertoadpole: He has understood that for all I can tell. No need to start اللغات الأجنبية الشر20:28
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javispedrodado7: I'm trying to pm you.20:28
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RodrigoIs Ubuntu already working on n8x0?21:03
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villagerhah, now my program can submit queries to and parse phone directory webpages to look up phone numbers... now I just need to find a way to be notified of the phone number of anyone calling me, and I'll have a nice caller id program... hmm...21:08
Rodrigovillager: Cool21:08
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ruskieassuming the number is listed...21:10
ruskiebtw do you also support .tel domains?21:10 domains? I just want to look up phone numbers...21:11
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ruskieit's meant for such information as well ;)21:12
ruskiei.e. any contact info21:12
villageris that actually a useful way to look up most phone numbers?21:12
ruskieHowever tel is about publishing contact data: phone numbers, SIP addresses and so on directly in the DNS, not on html-based websites.21:13
ruskieno clue21:13
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villagerthe way I do it now is that I have a config file that says how to submit the http request and how to parse the webpage, so anyone could customize the thing to the online directory service of their country...21:14
villagermore flexibility like multiple source websites (or even dns lookups?) can probably be added later...21:15
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DocScrutinizervillager: dbus-monitor, check out dbus-scripting pkg21:17
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villagerDocScrutinizer: yeah, now I just need someone other than the telemarketers who's interested in calling me...21:18
DocScrutinizers/interested in /willing to do me a favour by/21:20
villagerif there are no docs I can read instead, guess it'll have to wait until monday, then I can ask people at work21:21
DocScrutinizertoo bad when no landline in a mile21:21
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* MohammadAG wonders how that'll work :P21:22
MohammadAGalterego, MeeGo?21:22
MohammadAGOrientation lock, for the hell of it
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DocScrutinizerif  (dbus-scripting trigger: [path=/com/nokia/csd/call;; member=Coming]   object path "/com/nokia/csd/call/1"   string "$NUMBER").$NUMBER=="+49.*"; then$NUMBER22:01
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DocScrutinizervillager: I'm happy to give you another testcall when needed22:07
DocScrutinizerping me on DocScrutinizer5122:08
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villagerDocScrutinizer: ok, but probably won't be before tomorrow... gonna watch movies and stuff the rest of the evening22:23
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DocScrutinizer51np, anytime you like22:24
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RaveniquEI can't play videos, if I use overclock, using v46 kernel. If I don't use enchanced kernel then I can play them, dunno what to do. Can anything related with voltage adjustment or frequency be the reason?22:59
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RaveniquEany idea?23:02
steve___Is it possible to use something like fdm to sync email with modest?  Meaning if I sync email with fdm will I get a notification from modest?23:03
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RaveniquEI need ideas please!23:13
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DocScrutinizer51RaveniquE: avoid overclocking!23:18
DocScrutinizer51~tell RaveniquE about omap-oc23:18
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DocScrutinizer51RaveniquE: hope you got an idea why OC is *BAD* and why bitching aout video playback breaking on OC is silly23:20
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Sicelo~tell Sicelo about omap-oc23:22
DocScrutinizer51for all I know PK46 should work OK with video playback, as long as used on standard settings for freq and core voltage23:22
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RaveniquEwill give a fresh try, I get the idea, but I guess I am happy with @900 mhz. It is stable for me, except multi-tasked surfing sometimes23:30
RaveniquEEven you don't like OC thing, it makes me feel like "oooh, It feels faster" :P23:31
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kerioyeah but you're stupid23:33
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RaveniquEI wouldn't say that, if I can afford another one for a spare. I wanted to know if there's a solution and you say I'm stupid.23:35
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luke-jrRaveniquE: you are stupid.23:37
RaveniquEOffense wouldn't help.23:38
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Turtle^^hey all23:50
Turtle^^was just wondering can i repartition mmcblk0p2?23:51
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Turtle^^and move a bit of swap there23:51
Turtle^^and turn off the mmblk0p323:51
Turtle^^can this be done?23:52
ShadowJKThere's a thread on tmo about repartitioning23:53
ShadowJKI think the common approach is to make the vfat partition smaller23:53
ShadowJKIt's all kinda tricky so I wouldn't do it without reading about it first23:53
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DocScrutinizereasiest way is with a patched VANILLA imahe23:54
* MohammadAG used gparted23:54
cehtehTurtle^^: swap-files are meanwhile as fast as swap partitions on linux23:54
Turtle^^which is the mmcblk0p1 (the fat32) one right? its 28gb23:54
DocScrutinizerexcept that afaik maemo doesn't support them swapfiles23:54
ShadowJKp1 is vfat, yes23:54
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, the kernel in maemo has a bug which makes them hang indefinitely :-)23:55
ShadowJKalso, 'filefrag' hangs23:55
cehtehbut biggier swap wont fix anything... just calculate the flash memory bandwidth and how long it will take to swap something in/out23:55
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cehtehShadowJK: not indefenitely .. just very long .. once i forgot to reboot my device on such a hang and it eventually recovered23:56
Turtle^^i have never used more then 200mb of swap as far as conky has reported23:56
ShadowJKActually bigger swap makes it take longer before swap fragmentation becomes an issue :P23:56
DocScrutinizerTurtle^^: for patching VANILLA prior to flashing eMMC see
DocScrutinizerof course you can insert a uSD with a swap partition, swapon uSD, sawpoff eMMC, then edit partitions to split swap partition mmcblk0p3 into two23:57
DocScrutinizerthen reboot immediately, to reread the partiton table23:58
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: no23:59
DocScrutinizerwhat did I miss?23:59
luke-jruSD swap crashes Maemo for some reason23:59
DocScrutinizernot here23:59
Turtle^^but y wud i split the mmcblk0p323:59
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javispedronot here either, though I don't enable it that often.23:59
DocScrutinizerworked just fine23:59

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