IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-02-22

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DocScrutinizerget decent irc client :-P00:00
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avenonhi there00:00
lcukevening avenon00:00
c0ffeesuch as irssi00:00
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lcukI am using x-chat00:01
DocScrutinizerfor your convenience:
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lcukthanks doc :D  if I was not syncing my machine I would show you the sketch I just drew for that character :P00:03
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DocScrutinizeryw lcuk00:15
* DocScrutinizer sighs violently on this friggin thread and the morons trolling in there00:15
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Venemookay alterego, no problem at all00:22
JaffaDocScrutinizer: Which thread now?00:22
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DocScrutinizerstill this insane 3630 thread00:22
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* Jaffa has been too busy to read anything but already subscribed threads :-)00:23
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: your hot beverage appears in Konversation00:23
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KevinBhi folks00:23
DocScrutinizerI know, as it's sent from Konversation :-)00:23
JaffaDocScrutinizer: I'd already refuse to read it based on the subject alone00:23
KevinBdoes someone build apps on N90000:24
MohammadAG<-- sometimes00:24
alteregoKevinB: I'm sure someone does yes.00:24
alteregoMohammadAG: heh00:24
KevinBcrazy men haha00:24
MohammadAGit's quite slow, as expected00:24
VenemoDocScrutinizer: you use Konversation? :)00:24
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: I now have even more respect for you :P00:24
Ken-YoungKevinB, Do you mean actually do the compilation on the N900 itself?00:24
LjLi use konversation :P00:25
KevinBI was wondering if someone got a deb for QtCreator on n90n00:25
KevinBYes Ken, in case you wanna warm your hands00:25
LjL1.0 ;(00:25
MohammadAGI just use a chroot00:25
Ken-YoungKevinB, Oh, sorry, I can't help.   I build on scratchbox.00:25
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KevinBMohamadAG : so you just chroot in a directory and set your build environment in there right?00:26
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alteregoWow, someone's hulking.00:27
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: just stop looking!00:28
MohammadAGI have a chroot image with what's in scratchbox in it00:28
MohammadAGI even ran hildon-desktop in hildon-desktop once00:28
MohammadAG(in a Xephyr window)00:28
MohammadAGgot messed up on CTRL+backspace (both h-d's went to task manager)00:29
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JaffaDocScrutinizer: I hate you. I could've gone to sleep rather than reading this thread!00:29
alteregoJaffa: stop now.00:30
alteregoI think we should get it closed.00:30
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maybeWTFhm... any recommendations for a n900 car holder?00:31
alteregomaybeWTF: wife 1.000:32
maybeWTFso can i buy yours?00:33
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alteregoI have, ex-bitch-gf 1.200:33
alteregoSorry beta 0.300:34
alteregoShe's useless and has a tendency to hold other peoples'00:34
JartzaI have ex-superbitchywife-1.000:34
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timelessJaffa: ping00:35
timelessJaffa: can you look through for me?00:35
timelessthe content is still being collected, but the theme could be fixed by someone now..00:35
alteregoJartza: gutted, what are her features?00:35
MohammadAGit's not anymore!00:36
timelessMohammadAG: nope00:36
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timelessit doesn't have an index yet, it's slowly collecting all of the files it needs to do that00:36
Jaffatimeless: Will have a look. *must* sleep now00:36
JaffaFrance tomorrow00:36
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Jartzaalterego: still bitching to me about everything, even 3 years after the divorce at least.00:36
timelessJaffa: sure00:36
timelessfrance? wow00:36
JaffaWell, for the day.00:36
alteregoJartza: eesh :(00:36
JaffaHandy when your in-laws live opposite the Channel Tunnel.00:37
DocScrutinizeralterego: (get it closed) already suggested it to supermod00:38
timelesssomeone please remind me to slap someone00:38
timeless(that file *sucks*00:38
Jartzaalterego: betraying all her friends.... hmm... oh yeah, also forking new bitches with some finnish champion water polo player, that she snatched while we were still married.00:38
JartzaI'm pretty sure I forgot some features. Quite frankly, the more I forget, the happier I am :)00:39
VenemoJartza: is the 'new version' better? ;)00:39
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DocScrutinizertimeless: \o/00:40
timelessJartza: the complaining to the ex doesn't sound so uncommon00:41
DocScrutinizerdamn, upgrade early, upgrade often00:42
DocScrutinizeror don't get a contract at all for your N900-holder00:42
timelessooh, the rpm'00:43
timelesss arrived00:43
DocScrutinizerPAYG FTW ;-P00:43
timelessnow if only i had access to my rpmbuild conf00:43
JartzaVenemo: sure, although the new version is just girlfriend-3.0 :)00:43
JartzaI haven't upgraded her to wife-2.0 yet00:44
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JartzaMaybe I should make some development plans00:44
DocScrutinizerPAYG, don't you listen :-D00:44
Jartzafor example first to wife-rc-1.9 etc...00:44
DocScrutinizerthose contracts rarely pan out in the end00:45
VenemoJartza: :)00:45
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Jartzaoh well00:48
JartzaI'm quite happy with the current one00:48
Jartzano real reason to start upgrading :)00:48
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DocScrutinizerwait til the ToS change inadvertently00:49
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Venemoanyway, I'm going to sleep now - byebye :)00:53
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DocScrutinizernight Venemo00:56
DocScrutinizershall I ping you to wakeup?00:57
javispedrohow can I have fun if you all agree on the abill_uk thread00:57
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javispedrostupid people00:57
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DocScrutinizerI knew you'll hate it :-P00:57
javispedroso, should I spoil the fun?00:58
DocScrutinizerwell, whatever you like00:58
DocScrutinizerwe got 31 posts deleted by the forces-that-be00:58
javispedrothen I guess my "not it's not the same family" answer would also get deleted :(00:59
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DocScrutinizeryou can help to get it deleted by adding x-ray photos of broken human penis-bone X-P01:00
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DocScrutinizeror maybe it was a document about weird fetish practices01:04
DocScrutinizerdon't ask me, I'm no medical doctor :-D01:04
javispedronah, I will just post something that sounds remotely reasonable and partially documents some anecdote I experienced but with no basis on reality =)01:04
DocScrutinizerthat's just fine I guess01:05
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Jartzaoh, btw01:18
Jartzais there "official" qt-port for diablo?01:18
javispedroyeah, 4.6 only01:18
Jartzathat's more than enough01:18
JartzaI found my old faithful n800 :)01:19
javispedroI don't remember if they ever released the 4.6 branch but it was there01:19
Jartzawell, any 4.x will fullfill my needs :)01:19
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javispedro4.5 was released with some bugs, like input method handling of dead keys01:19
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Jartzadoesn't matter01:21
JartzaI only need touchscreen01:21
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javispedroah yes, n800 =)01:21
JartzaI also could code with gtk+ but I rather not :)01:22
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r4venany of you guys know where is settings recorded related with video playing ?01:59
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r4venno one?02:01
r4venit is kinda urgent, if I can't find it will reflash my n90002:01
alteregogconf, probably, what settings are you talking about?02:02
r4venwell.. I was unable to play videos. ( )02:02
makulkaris there a qmake macro for maemo6/meego platform? compile time macro which is provided by Qt qmake tool or even something I can hack in code?02:02
r4venmade a reflash, everything was ok. then reinstalled my backup for my settings and can't play videos again now.02:03
r4venSo, I think there's something wrong with my backup, hopefully will find what it is02:04
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SiN900where is gconf, please?02:04
SiN900ok found it02:05
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SiN900 ; is there anything wrong here? it is my mediaplayer's gconf02:08
javispedroSiN900: when you "restored" from backup, did you restore the entire list of installed applications?02:10
javispedrojust disable that part and do it manually, one by one. then you can check what is breaking your "mediaplayer".02:11
SiN900I installed my applications one by one, from fapman02:11
javispedroand when did it break?02:12
SiN900after finishing my install job, checked it again, it was fine, after restore of my backup it is gone02:12
javispedrodid you restore any application with your backup?02:12
javispedrosure sure, did you uncheck the "applications list" item?02:13
SiN900there's nothing related with video playing in N90002:13
SiN900hm, I think I didn't while restoring?02:13
javispedrowell, if you didn't while backing it up, it's ok.02:13
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SiN900one more strange thing, after reboot I can play it for 7-8 seconds, then it goes back to menu. If I try to play it again it won't, will stay at "dots" screen02:16
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SiN900any idea?02:19
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SiN900will reflash, I guess..02:20
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javispedroand do not restore "settings"02:21
javispedro(nor applications, obviously)02:21
SiN900will try combined one first02:21
SiN900if not, ..02:21
javispedrowhat did you do previously?02:22
javispedroI thought you had reflashed then restored from osso-backup?02:22
SiN900clean flash : Vanilla + Combined02:22
javispedroah, you did both first.02:22
SiN900yep, after that installed all my apps and checked again, it was fine, restored my backup and it is dead.02:23
SiN900it is actually fine atm, but can't play videos. I don't watch videos on N900, but I don't like the idea of not being able to play them02:24
SiN900yeah, I know. Kinda sick behaivour.02:24
nox-(slightly ot :)02:25
ZogGBCMM, ping02:25
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SiN900flashed with combined, waiting..02:33
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LantiziaLo, anyone know where I can find the latest info on running KDE/Plasma on the N900?02:34
SiN900cool. lost all my apps, plus I feel like it is buggy now02:35
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SiN900will make a clean reflash. again.02:36
SiN900thanks anyway javispedro =)02:36
zanberdofirst question: is this the appropriate channel to pose questions regarding such things as installed packages on an N900 - specifically I've installed bash3 and I'm looking to find out how to change my terminal color from a white background to black. Easy enough from gnome, but I'm not seeing anything obvious for the bash3 terminal02:37
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javispedrowell, not flashing emmc when you've installed apps is usually not something to do, long-term wise.02:37
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: ??02:41
javispedroDocScrutinizer: because /opt might be filled with garbage02:42
javispedroor /home02:42
DocScrutinizerdoesn't matter. either garbage gets rewritten, or it just takes up space02:42
javispedromore probably the latter02:42
DocScrutinizerhome is another thing02:42
DocScrutinizerobviously you're resetting all the ~/.configs02:43
DocScrutinizerwhen flashing eMMC02:43
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ZogGanyone awake? i set up scratchbox and i have qt-creator - how do i set qt-creator to run programs in scratchbox or qemu?02:52
zanberdoare there any apps that permit consolidation of like applications into a single container?02:52
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DocScrutinizerto do what?02:57
DocScrutinizerzanberdo: you for example can throw several uSD cards into one tin box, each of those uSD cards with one app stored to it ;-D02:59
DocScrutinizerzanberdo: honestly, I fail to understand your question03:00
zanberdogood point, Doc, I shall attempt to be more specific.03:01
zanberdoMy question pertains specifically to the desktop environment of the N900. As this is #maemo, I fear this is likely not the correct channel to ask, but my question relates to whether or not there is an app for the N900 which allows for the consolidation of shortcuts (not apps of course) into a common container... so for instance, all games accessible from a shortcut of it's own. Again, forgive me if this is not the correct channel. I'm new03:02
zanberdo to my N90003:02
* jonwil is in the process of reverse engineering the dialer app to identify everything it does that isn't UI related (i.e. anything one would need to know to build a feature-complete dialer replacement)03:03
jonwilCurrently doing librtcom-call-ui.so03:03
jonwilwhich isnt as hard as it looks03:03
javispedrozanberdo: you mean "folders" or "categories" in the launcher?03:04
* SpeedEvil hugs Jonwil.03:04
zanberdoah, good question, and one I'm afraid I won't be able to answer intelligently until I learn the correct terminology.03:05
zanberdofolder I would guess03:05
javispedrothe launcher is the application grid that appears when you tap on the left-top corner03:05
zanberdoyup, got that03:05
javispedroyou might want to search for "catorise"03:06
zanberdoI'm looking at the deaktop menu which has such things as 'add shortcut, add bookmark, change background, etc". But no folder03:06
zanberdoyeah, I found catorise03:06
zanberdoand love it03:06
javispedrono, that's not the launcher -- that's the "desktop" =)03:06
zanberdobut now I'm looking for something like that for the desktop shortcuts03:06
javispedrothen you're looking for a widget.03:06
javispedroand no idea if such widget exists at this point.03:07
zanberdook, fair play.03:07
javispedroI guess one could easily make one such widget though :P03:07
zanberdoso if I want to consolidate all like-apps, such as all games, I could put them all on  one desktop, but that's about the extent to which I can organize.03:07
zanberdoI would be willing to look into that03:07
javispedrozanberdo: request help or just post the idea on talk.maemo.org03:08
zanberdoneed to learn about writing widgets...03:08
JartzaI didn't remember what hassle the scratchbox was to setup03:08
JartzaI was trying to get support for both diablo and fremantle03:08
zanberdowell, I hadn't considered writing any apps for maemo, but I could certainly start looking into it.03:09
DocScrutinizerzanberdo: you can't have something like a window with shortcuts popping up on click of a single icon on desktop (at least I dunno of such app) - what you can do is use apmefo to get subdirectories in application starter screen03:09
zanberdolet me check out apmefo03:09
zanberdosee if that's what I'm thinking03:09
DocScrutinizerapmefo is like catorize, but better03:10
DocScrutinizerbetter as it alows you to sort the apps like *you* want03:10
zanberdook, let me see... :)03:10
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DocScrutinizerit's not really comfortable to configure, but result is awesome03:11
zanberdois config available via cli or through the gui? I've installed openssh-client and -server and have remote access (though it's troubling to me to have ssh open to root, but I presume I can change that)03:12
DocScrutinizerzanberdo: btw I got 4 subfolders in my appstarter screen: games, system, phonecore, utils03:16
DocScrutinizerzanberdo: you must not use the hildon method to move around icons on screen to sort them. Do this in apmefo gui03:17
Jartzanow it seems that I have my toolchain set up correctly03:17
Jartzaand qt application works on n800 :)03:17
Jartzanow I'm ready to start creating my xbmc remote :)03:17
DocScrutinizerif you do it nevertheless, the submenues are gone - then just start apmefo and "save" again03:18
zanberdook. is apmefo in the base repo's or must I add some other repos? I'm not seeing it in apt-cache nor in the gui app installer...03:18
DocScrutinizerafaik it should be base03:19
DocScrutinizerbut not sure about it03:19
zanberdohmmm. ok. time to google! :)03:19
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zanberdoit's in extras according to
zanberdoanyway, reading the links you provided, thanks!03:21
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zanberdoah, good to see I can add repos via /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list03:27
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DocScrutinizerzanberdo: I prefer to do this in HAM catalog menu03:48
zanberdoso much to learn. :)03:49
DocScrutinizerzanberdo: something is problematic when adding directly, can't exactly recal what. Maybe HAM has some additional config for this, which is missing when you edit the file. OR maybe that's all nonsense and what I recall is related to another file03:49
DocScrutinizerHildon App Manager03:50
zanberdooic. ok, I'll refrain from adding repos directly03:50
DocScrutinizerthe program manager on desktop03:50
zanberdocurse of the sysadmin... love cli03:50
zanberdoI installed apmefo and played with it a bit. it's nice, it's just too back I can't create a shortcut to the folder I created which contained the apps I assigned to it.03:51
infobotzanberdo meant: I installed apmefo and played with it a bit. it's nice, it's just too bad I can't create a shortcut to the folder I created which contained the apps I assigned to it.03:51
DocScrutinizeryeah, hildon/maemo is often following a very own path03:52
zanberdooh, nice infobot. :)03:52
infobotDocScrutinizer: :)03:52
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zanberdowell, that's why I finally bought it (the n900)! I've been avoiding 'smart phones' for the last several year ... I do love the n900 and look forward to digging in even deeper03:53
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zanberdoperhaps I will look into writing a widget to consolidate shortcuts03:53
DocScrutinizernice idea, should be simple03:54
zanberdoheheh... I read that and I hear in my head "the best laid plans of mice and men..." heheh... but yeah, I should look into it03:55
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JartzaI got qt applications running on diablo scratchbox, but they don't look correctly hildonized...03:56
zanberdohehe... still want to know how to set the background color for my bash3 terminal...03:57
DocScrutinizerI'd try a shortcut to the app-launcher, probably via dbus03:58
DocScrutinizererr, background color? in settings menu, no?03:58
Sc0rpiusok I lost a window in this stupid x-chat03:59
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zanberdoI installed the bash3 app, but the app menu lacks any way to change the background color... unless...03:59
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DocScrutinizermenu - fonts - there_on_bottom-left03:59
zanberdoyeah, that just occured to me! heheh03:59
infobotzanberdo meant: s/occurred/occurred04:00
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DocScrutinizerheh, you were fast to find out about that prank04:01
zanberdohmm? what prank?04:02
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DocScrutinizerthe s/ prank04:10
zanberdois that a prank? it's just habit for me... hehe04:11
DocScrutinizerthe double s/ where second one doesn't what you thought04:11
zanberdoheh... ic04:12
DocScrutinizer might be interesting for you04:12
DocScrutinizermaybe this too
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zanberdothanks for the links, doc. I have a lot of reading to do (yet again!)04:13
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DocScrutinizerthough the latter is about PR1.2, not the current 1.304:14
zanberdobut it's fun to have a phone that works the way i work.04:14
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javispedrothe prank, lol.04:14
DocScrutinizerafaik the extremely cute ctrl-bs tab-emu still works on 1.304:14
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DocScrutinizer(see the video linked in that tools page)04:15
DocScrutinizercouldn't live without anymore ;-D04:16
zanberdowell, time to have me some dinner. thanks again for all the help/suggestions/etc.04:16
DocScrutinizerzanberdo: you'll also want the fix for enter key, in xterm04:18
zanberdoand that last link looks quite interesting04:18
zanberdofix it? seems to work... am I missing something?04:18
zanberdobaring in mind I'm using bash3 atm04:19
DocScrutinizeryeah, not for me, I created that page for my convenience :-)04:19
DocScrutinizerenter fails e.g in less /04:19
jpinxDocScrutinizer: whats that fix - I have no return key in a remote screen04:19
jpinxI use Ctrl-j04:19
DocScrutinizerjpinx: see link above04:20
zanberdoone last question: I removed apmefo and catorise but it seems I can't re-install catorize (though catorise-gui is available)... is that because I 'activated' apmefo and didn't deactivate it before I removed it, or am I just missing something?04:21
DocScrutinizermight be the problem, yes04:21
Jartzaactually, I have to admit, I didn't remember how nice device n800 actually was04:21
Jartzait would have had a lot more potential, as a device04:22
DocScrutinizerI kicked catorize after 15min, so can't tell04:22
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zanberdowell, I thought I'd go back to catorize for the time being04:22
DocScrutinizerJartza: the camera is awesome04:22
zanberdoas I don't want to spend too much time creating my own organization atm.04:22
zanberdoah well, no worries.04:22
zanberdoI think that 'activate' merely modified a file.. just have to see what file..04:23
DocScrutinizerthe fixed orga of catorize is mindboggling04:23
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DocScrutinizerI got 3 different dirs with calculators04:23
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DocScrutinizerand the dirs themselves are obscure to me04:24
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DocScrutinizerso I ended searchng all in all, and thought "meh, this I can have without catorize, with one click less"04:24
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zanberdoah, well, the wife is getting cranky! Need to have some dinner and spend some quality time with her! heheh... this is why I avoided buying a bloody 'smart phone' - they are freaking time sinks04:25
DocScrutinizercya l8r then :-D04:26
zanberdoyou will indeed! cheers!04:26
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the_lordHi, where can I make a petition for CSSU ?04:41
Sc0rpiusgood question04:42
Sc0rpiuswhat do you have in mind?04:42
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the_lordSc0rpius, modest working in slow connections is a pain in the... throat04:42
Sc0rpiussure it is04:43
the_lordit updates the inbox and then shows the list of the emails04:43
the_lordit should show all your already downloaded emails and do that process in background04:43
Sc0rpiusacutally it does that04:43
Sc0rpiustry to load Modest without network connection and you'll see04:44
the_lordSc0rpius, that's without internet connection04:44
Sc0rpiusbut I guess if there's a connection available it'll try to update first04:44
the_lordwith a slow EDGE connection, it doesn04:44
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the_lordSc0rpius, I could help with the code, but I guess it's plain simple04:45
the_lordjust move some lines from here to there04:45
Sc0rpiusbut it's weird, I'd have to test it forcing the N900 to EDGE but I'm almost sure it shows the already downloaded headers and then it updates04:45
Sc0rpiuswell the code is there, if you come up with a patch, you can request a merge04:46
the_lordSc0rpius, I'm definetly sure it doesn't :)04:46
Sc0rpiusok lemme see04:46
Sc0rpiusyou're right04:48
the_lordSc0rpius, :)04:48
Sc0rpiusbut I wonder if it's a Modest problem... or a tinymail problem04:48
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the_lordwhat does tinymail do?04:49
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Sc0rpiusModest is just the GUI04:50
Sc0rpiusTinyMail is the framework Modest uses that actually does everything mail-related04:50
the_lordSc0rpius, ok, nice04:51
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Sc0rpiusanyway tinymail is included in CSSU and the source is there04:51
the_lordSc0rpius, I guess I should really come into maemo developing when I have the chance04:51
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Sc0rpiusyou should, it's fun04:51
the_lordSc0rpius, the problem it's the time :P04:52
Sc0rpiusright now I'm working in tree view mode for Modest so it's hard for me to take a look at that cache thing04:52
Sc0rpiussomething like this:
the_lordSc0rpius, I'll put it in my agenda for the weekend, maybe I'll ask for help here to get started04:53
the_lordSc0rpius, nice! it looks very nice04:54
Sc0rpiussure, usually there's a lot of people here helping but they are sleeping right now04:54
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Sc0rpiusyup, no more accounts window and mailboxes window, it's optional of course04:54
the_lordSc0rpius, I used the local dovecot solution, but it was very ugly, and it did not support multiple accounts04:55
the_lordbut it solved the waiting times04:56
Sc0rpiusdon't you have 3G in your area?04:56
the_lordSc0rpius, nope :( one operator has it, but it sucks real hard04:57
Sc0rpiustoo bad04:58
Sc0rpiusI get around 2.5 Mbps on 3G with the N90004:58
Sc0rpiusnot bad for a cell phone04:58
the_lordSc0rpius, it's not that bad, I'm always in WiFi, and the battery life is not that good anyways :)04:58
the_lordSc0rpius, EDGE on my operator is just as good as 3G in the other04:59
Sc0rpius <-- there04:59
the_lordSc0rpius, LOOOL, I'm in CCS04:59
Sc0rpiusin CCS the three providers have 3G actually05:00
Sc0rpiusbut the N900 just works with one05:01
the_lordSc0rpius, yes, but Digitel here is not as good05:01
Sc0rpiuswhere in Caracas are you?05:01
the_lordmy office is in La Trinidad, and my home in Palo Verde05:01
the_lordare you from Venezuela?05:02
Sc0rpiusyes I am05:02
Sc0rpiusin La Trinidad you'll get the speed you saw in the pic05:02
Sc0rpiusPalo Verde, I'm not so sure...05:02
the_lordSc0rpius, yes, but _only_ in La Trinidad, there's no much 3G coverage05:03
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the_lordand Digitel's new data plans are fugly05:04
Sc0rpiusfrom Concresa to La Lagunita I guess.  They have been slow in Caracas.  I get full 3G in Guarenas/Guatire for example05:04
the_lord50Mb max05:04
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SpeedEvilI noticed here one plan.05:08
SpeedEvil10G/mo for $2005:08
SpeedEvilAnd then if you go a gig over, it's $16005:08
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Sc0rpiuswell not badf05:09
Sc0rpiusthat's not bad if you keep your transferred data under 10GB05:09
the_lordSpeedEvil, here we can dream with that05:10
javispedrotalking of the evil, my ISP just seemingly started blocking http.05:12
javispedrobecause I'm still here, I guess.05:12
Sc0rpiusmaybe their webcache crashed05:12
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javispedroprobably, funnily enough I was trying to read that page about some random guy trying to buy a satellite to give free access around05:13
Sc0rpiusthat's when SSH -D comes handy05:13
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the_lordwell, see you tomorrow05:14
Sc0rpiussee ya05:14
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the_lordSc0rpius, thx for the help05:15
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Sc0rpiuswrong button as usual05:16
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GAN900Oh fuck me05:36
GAN900What a week05:37
GAN900USB port just came out of my proto.05:37
GAN900Dropped my personal device under the tap.05:37
* GAN900 sighs.05:37
Jartzacan't get sbrsh to work with scratchbox / diablo05:46
JartzaI don't exactly know why05:46
Ken-YoungGAN900, That really stinks - are you without an N900 now?05:47
GAN900Ken-Young, can charge batteries on my 5800, but rather inconvenient.05:47
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chxGAN900: i use a lenmar ppuclip05:51
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internetishardanyone try one of these $10 ebay 2250mAh batteries for the n900?05:56
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RobbieThe1stinternetishard: Probably 850ma in reality06:01
internetishardhaha, why?06:01
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internetishardI'd like an external charger, I got these two batteries plus external charger for $10 on ebay a few months ago and it doesn't work very well anymore06:01
internetishardIt won't charge the original nokia battery just the ones it came with06:02
RobbieThe1stCause almost all the cheap batterys are actually 850mah cheap ones06:02
internetishardI'd like two more high qual (official) nokia batteries and a charger that is compatible with them06:02
RobbieThe1stI'd look for Japod batteries - they're a quality OEM and seem to work nicely06:02
RobbieThe1stthe -real- nokia's cost loads, and the "genuine" ones on Ebay are anything but06:03
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internetishardhow would I charge the japod batteries externally?06:03
internetishardthe whole point for me is to be able to carry around 2 full batteries with me06:03
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RobbieThe1stUm, get a $10 normal charger06:04
internetishardwhat's that?06:04
internetisharddoes it interface with the bats directly?06:04
RobbieThe1stUm.. off ebay. they are very cheap Li-on chargers, come for almost all shapes and sizes of battery06:04
internetishardwhere do I get japod batteries?06:05
RobbieThe1stI'd look on DealExtreme.com06:05
internetishardyeah, the last one i got would charge the batteries it came with but not my official nokia one (Which lasts longer)06:05
RobbieThe1stThey're a china drop-shipper and do well.06:05
RobbieThe1stLook at reviews, there's several Japod models06:05
internetishardand use that in some random ebay charger for then900?06:06
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pigeonis marxian around here?06:06
RobbieThe1stYea, should work fine06:06
internetishardyou've an external charger?06:07
internetishardmaybe I can verify a specific one works before I get it06:07
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DocScrutinizerI really wonder how such a dirt cheap piece of crap could refuse to charge original Nokia cells exclusively07:10
RobbieThe1stYea :\07:16
RobbieThe1stEither it's under-spec'd and simply -can't charge the large cell, or the Nokia's cell is damaged.07:16
RobbieThe1stBut I think the latter's far more possible than the former07:16
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, the Nokia batteries' protection chip kills the charge07:20
ShadowJKSome of the cheap ones just dump 5V into the battery07:20
DocScrutinizerhmm, I always thought it has a protection chip, but somebody claimed it doesn't07:21
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: anyway it's not the 5V but rather the unmoderated current that is too high and makes cellprot trip07:23
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lolcatIs the other guy trying to get a free nokia here?07:25
DocScrutinizer5V would build up only if the cell is at 110%, or when charged with really high current07:25
DocScrutinizerlolcat: here are no free Nokias07:26
chxhm my ppuclip charged the battery just fine.07:26
DocScrutinizerwhatever that is07:27
Sc0rpiussleep is very important  for health, you people need to sleep07:30
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DocScrutinizerwhatever that is07:30
* DocScrutinizer ponders finally disassembling a BL-5J07:30
DocScrutinizerit's missing in my horror cabinet ;-)07:30
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pupnikmwah found n900 stylus after 10 months07:35
Sc0rpiusnever bought a replacement?07:36
Sc0rpiusI rarely use the stylus07:36
chxDocScrutinizer: lenmar ppuclip, that's a universal lion charger, and if there is any smaller then i missed it.07:36
RST38hHELO all07:36
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b004nhi RST38h07:37
DocScrutinizerpupnik: lol07:37
DocScrutinizermoo RST38h07:37
* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass07:38
Sc0rpiussadly, all of that is true07:38
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DocScrutinizerthat has to be a bonsai cow that's twice as much as me07:40
Sc0rpiuswell yeah... considering a cow weights around 1000 kgs07:41
DocScrutinizermhm, so the cow doesn't know about powers of ten07:42
DocScrutinizeror simply about zeroes07:43
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DocScrutinizerI'm a cow, hear me moo, I weigh twenty times you do...07:44
Sc0rpiuswow I'm getting old07:44
Sc0rpiusI had to change font size in almost everything07:44
Sc0rpiusand now I'm trying to figure out a way in Firefox to zoom all pages by default07:45
Sc0rpiusit seems I can't read those tiny fonts anymore07:45
RST38hThere is a"Bigger" option in the menu07:45
Sc0rpiusI can zoom in07:45
Sc0rpiusbut it's annoying to do it everytime07:45
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RST38hno, it is persistent07:47
Sc0rpiusit's persistent by URL, but if I open another tab and type a different URL it's not zoomed07:47
RST38hNope, it is globallypersistent,at least here07:48
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Sc0rpiuswell not for me07:49
DocScrutinizerget a decent screen, like 640*480 :-P07:49
DocScrutinizeror a 50"07:49
RST38hSc0: Weird. Same Firefox 3.6?07:49
Sc0rpiusyup, 3.6.1307:50
DocScrutinizeror glasses07:50
Sc0rpiusI *have* glasses07:50
Sc0rpiusI have 2 monitors, one it's 20" 1600x900 and another 17" 1280x102407:50
DocScrutinizerunbearable I will need some as well soon07:51
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Sc0rpiusI've been wearing glasses for the last 10 years07:51
DocScrutinizerwell, probably it's not glasses I need, but carrots07:52
Sc0rpiusyou need to sleep07:52
DocScrutinizercan't read a bok anymore under a candle07:52
Sc0rpiusand me too07:53
Sc0rpiusI don't read07:53
Sc0rpiusit's obsolete07:53
Sc0rpiusI should go to sleep actually07:53
DocScrutinizermeh, I *never* sleep, didn't you hear about that?07:53
Sc0rpiusI noticed07:53
lolcatIs there any MMS scripts for Maemo?07:56
lolcatI get 500 for free with my new provider...07:57
lolcatThat could send an entire folder or something07:57
lolcatOr do anything usefull with them07:57
lolcatI have send 15 MMS my whole life, now I will get 500 a month...07:57
DocScrutinizerfmms --help07:57
* DocScrutinizer has sent ONE, from a phone of a friend07:58
DocScrutinizerand that one didn't pan out like planned, but made the birthday guy bitch at us why we send such crap07:59
* jonwil never sends SMS or MMS07:59
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DocScrutinizerlemme put it this way: MMS are dead and forgotten in Germany - maybe whole Europe08:00
lolcatI can't decide on if I need two phones with twin sims08:00
* RST38h never sent or received MMS in his life08:00
DocScrutinizeras popular as WAP08:00
RST38hMust be a good thing08:00
lolcatDocScrutinizer: It is pretty much dead here too08:00
lolcatWho wants to spend 2NOK at sendig a poor resolution image?08:01
RST38hWAP is *very* popular among providers, lets them charge you exorbital prices when you choose a wrong access point by mistake08:01
lolcatI don't even get a WAP access point08:03
lolcatI have Internet and MMS08:03
lolcatApparently I can use MMS to use IM and such08:03
lolcatIs there a usage counter for Maemo?08:04
lolcatLike sms/minutes/mb?08:05
RST38hMMS traffic is also expensive08:05
RST38hSo I would avoid using it for anything08:06
lolcatI get 500 MB a month with this provider08:06
lolcatThink I can use any access point08:07
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RST38hWell, when you add up all our calories and then you add up the energy needed to run the computer and the air-conditioner, you get an incredibly large number, somewhere around 11,000 watts.08:20
RST38hDid you know a human being at rest only uses 90 watts? Or that a hunter-gatherer needs about 250 watts to hunt and find food?08:20
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lolcatRST38h: Oo08:22
lolcatA ligth bulb uses that08:22
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nox-and the brain uses about 12 W iirc08:23
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doc|homeit's a value for money thing08:24
* RST38h suggests just keeping the brain then08:24
doc|homethose watts are cheap08:24
doc|homeso we use them as such08:24
RST38hYou do not. This 11kWt figure is for the US.08:24
doc|homeI'm on hydro. I'd expect it's even cheaper here.08:25
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lolcatI pay 100USD or something for the power here08:26
lolcatI think I get 2-6k watts08:26
lolcatHaven't tested what the fuses are rated at08:26
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DocScrutinizererr WUT? how did we get from 500 MMS to kW now?08:28
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pupnikCompare CNN international to CNN US homepage:
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Ken-Youngpupnik, Are you saying Best Buy isn't the bigger story?08:39
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RST38hpupnik:well known stuff08:44
RST38hnothing new08:44
RST38hcnn asia did interviews with us army deserters during Bush time in the office08:45
RST38hcnn usa? not a sign of 'em.08:45
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Termanagood morning10:16
bistonin maemo is 'user' a part of the group root by default ?10:16
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Termanabiston, no10:20
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Venemogood morning10:20
TermanaVenemo, good morning10:20
Venemoyou too Termana10:21
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MohammadAGis there a way to crack a router's pass?11:04
till|just reset the thing?11:05
MohammadAGcan't :p11:05
MohammadAGI'm connected to it, just forgot the settings page password11:06
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joppu1hard reset with the pin?11:10
MohammadAGdon't have access to the pin11:10
joppu1the physical pin-hole11:11
chxrun an exploit against the outdated software stack?11:11
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timelesschx: that usually works11:12
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edheldilMohammadAG:  have you tried '0000', '123456' or 'aaaa' yet? ;-)11:14
MohammadAGyeah :p11:14
edheldilwhy can't you reset the thing, then?11:15
MohammadAGit's my school's router11:15
jogait exists physically? ;)11:16
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MohammadAGI'm connected to it11:17
MohammadAGjust need the plaintext pass11:17
till|are you sure you "need" it? :p11:17
MohammadAGyes :P11:18
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jogahave you changed it?11:20
jogaor is it one of the default ones, like "admin"?11:21
jogafor that modem it's admin/admin apparently11:21
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jogaaww they had to write their own printer drivers :(11:25
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timelessjacekowski: isn't that old?11:28
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jacekowskii've just seen it now11:28
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crashanddietimeless, it hit the /. front page this morning11:30
kerioso yes, it's old11:30
timelessthe article is from the 16th11:30
timelesswhich makes it nearly a week old11:31
* timeless wonders if it's just a duplicate11:31
edheldilsad, but as far I know users, they would complain regardless of real functionality11:31
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timelessedheldil: what interests me is the time lag11:32
timeless2007=>2011 is 4 years11:32
timelessit sounds roughly like the turnover interval for a politician11:33
FIQ|n900let's see11:33
edheldilnew (IT) management, probably, elections ...11:33
FIQ|n900if i reflash, what will disappear (per default, not "complete" reflash)?11:33
timelessFIQ|n900: um11:33
timelessdo you have a backup?11:33
FIQ|n900i don't need my FAT32 things, but my home partition mostly11:34
timelesseverything in MyDocs will survive11:34
timelessthat's about it11:34
FIQ|n900not yet, but i will make one before i reflash11:34
FIQ|n900aka useless things11:34
timelessi believe you'll lose home too11:34
FIQ|n900(for me)11:34
FIQ|n900ok then11:34
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* timeless hasn't really thought about it much11:34
timelessthere's a separate image for MyDocs11:34
FIQ|n900i guess i will cp things i want to save to SD then11:34
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timelesshrm, actually11:35
timelesshome and mydocs are on a single physical device11:35
timelessso maybe home would survive11:35
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FIQ|n900and, FYI, i've repartitioned11:35
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timelesspersonally, i'd just create a backup :)11:35
FIQ|n900so FAT32 is the smaller one11:35
FIQ|n900Yeah, guess so :p11:35
timelesssorry, it's been ages since i've worried about this11:35
timelesshome should survive11:35
timelessbut things like your WiFi settings will be lost11:36
timelessfor me, those are the most important part of my device11:36
FIQ|n900noooooes, that was sooo hard to configure!11:36
timelessthat and my telepathy + mail settings11:36
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* timeless has ~10 accounts11:36
FIQ|n900all of home then?11:36
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timelesswifi settings aren't in /home11:37
timelessuse the backup app to create a backup11:37
timelessthen backup home+mydocs11:37
FIQ|n900how is backups stored?11:37
timelessit's a directory containing zip files in MyDocs11:37
FIQ|n900 /dev/mmcblk0p2         27G  7,8G   18G  31% /home @ "used", wouldn't that zip be pretty big?11:38
timelessthe backup isn't a backup of home11:38
timelessit's a backup of stuff in /11:38
meceNice to see a lot of cool stuff included in the latest cssu update11:38
mecebut how does one enable them?11:39
FIQ|n900Hm, ok11:39
timelessmece: enable?11:39
timelessFIQ|n900: and if it does something stupid, a bug needs to be filed11:39
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FIQ|n900Does it backup my installed packages list, or will i have to dpkg -l and store in a text file manually?11:39
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mecetimeless, well there was some transition updates by thp, and many desktops and whatnot..11:41
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timelessFIQ|n900: your questions would be answered if you tried to do it..11:42
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thpmece: /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini ;)11:44
psycho_oreoswifi settings can be seen through gconftool11:44
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mecethp, cheers!11:45
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meceFixed redirects in the wiki btw. cssu and CSSU now redirects to Community_SSU so if you want a shorter link to post, you can use that. (
djszapiWhat is the name of the internet browser on my N900 ? I would like to open a local html file up and I thought if I knew the name of the browser I could run it from console with the desired html file as an argument.11:46
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mecedjszapi, browser.launch perhaps?11:47
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mecethat segfaulted..11:47
mecedjszapi, browser --url=http://asdf.com11:48
mecedjszapi, works11:48
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mecewas pr released today or yesterday? I thought I might add a date to the changelog there.11:53
timeless1.3.3.7-6 ??11:53
timelessdjszapi: technically you should probably use hildonmime or dbus or something to dispatch your file/url :)11:54
timeless> use as a quick link to this page from your Nokia N900)11:55
timelesscommunityssu isn't particularly quick11:55
timelessm5cssu ?11:56
timeless> In all, there are a series of installations for which HAM will prompt you with messages and warnings. Click "accept" and "done" for each and let HAM install all the community packages.11:56
timeless"in all" expects "in all there are <n-countable>"11:57
timeless> Once done (ie. no further install prompts appear after some while),11:57
timelesss/some while/some time/g11:57
timeless> to ensure HAM will now be using community repository for updates.11:58
timelesss/be using/use/11:58
infobottimeless meant: > to ensure HAM will now use community repository for updates.11:58
timelessyou should really avoid <be> but especially avoid <be>-verb<ing>11:59
mecethis is pretty short:
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djszapitimeless: actually I should use the filemanager and open the index.html from there.12:05
timelessdjszapi: good plan12:05
* timeless sighs12:05
djszapitimeless: yeah, it works, but thank you for your help mece, anway.12:06
djszapi* anyway12:06
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alteregoX-Fade: ping12:10
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alteregoX-Fade: if you get this, can you look at the annoying curl build loop, it's been spamming me for the past 3 days :(12:22
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avenonI've installed the kernel-power12:25
alteregoGood for you ..12:26
avenonif I want overclock it do I need to install another specific version or can I overclock12:26
avenonfrom the phone12:26
Venemoavenon: don't overclock12:26
avenonwhy not?12:26
Venemoavenon: we don't support overclocking12:26
alteregoCheck the numerous threads, and don't OC unless you want to severly reduce the life expectancy of your device.12:26
avenonwhat do you mean?12:26
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pexii support OC12:26
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avenonpexi, cool12:26
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pexijust remember to use it finland at winter12:27
psycho_oreosI'm sure in other words, if you overclocked and cooked that poor TI OMAP CPU of yours, don't come looking for us12:27
avenonof course12:27
avenonmaybe I'll not use 1.1 Ghz12:27
avenonit's ok 90012:27
tybolltpsycho_oreos: fact it - don't come looking here in either case - this is now an officially close-to-unsupported  platform12:28
tybolltfact is *12:28
avenonso do I need another kernel or it's ok power-kernel?12:28
psycho_oreostybollt, I think that's a bit too extreme :P12:28
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timelessmece: i hope you updated the wiki too :)12:33
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timelessavenon: just go out and buy yourself your very own cpu12:34
avenonI need it on the n900 phone :)12:34
timelessgenerally speaking no one wants to support people who OC because OC'ing can cause all sorts of random failures anywhere else in the system at any time12:34
timeless*why* do you need it on your phone?12:35
timelessmy n900 can ssh into an entire corporate environment12:35
timelessplus two open source community environments, and at least one expandable cloud12:35
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timelessthat gives my n900 lots of power w/o heat issues12:35
timelessi can run desktop firefox, i can run desktop virtualbox12:36
timelessi can run mathematica or matlab12:36
timelessall from the portable comfort of my own standard non hacked n90012:36
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timeless(n.b. i've only actually used firefox of those 4, but i certainly could use the others)12:37
alteregoSweet, QML and my OpenGL engine work very nicely together :)12:37
timelessavenon: seriously, what application(s) or use case(s) do you have which actually force you to need OC12:38
timelessalterego: =)12:38
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avenontimeless, I need to process a framerate of 20MBits/s from an usb camera12:39
avenonisochronous transfer12:39
alteregoEven transparency performs well :D12:40
avenonthere are problems so I think it's the cpu12:40
avenonI'm one month trying to solve this problem so I think it's time to try the OC12:41
timelesswhat are you putting those bits?12:41
alteregoMore likely memory ..12:41
alteregoand swap12:41
timelessdo they get sent to disk? network? swap?12:41
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avenonI have to check it12:42
* timeless ponders 2.5MB/s doesn't sound too stressful12:42
timelessavenon: that's definitely something you should know...12:42
avenontimeless, yep you're right12:42
avenonfor example,12:42
timelessalterego: offhand, any idea what speeds we get using the n900 as usb-mass-storage?12:43
avenonby default where should they go?12:43
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alteregotimeless: in my experience pretty much standard USB 2 speeds12:43
avenonsorry sorry12:43
timelessalterego: somewhere around 10MB/s?12:44
avenonit is not 20 MB12:44
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avenonno MBits12:44
psycho_oreosyou meant Mbits :p12:44
timelessavenon: you said MBits earlier12:44
avenonyep my fault12:44
timelessi don't deal in MBits12:44
timelessoh, so you meant 20MB/s?12:44
avenonit's a lot12:44
avenonmaybe I can reduce it to 10 MB/s12:44
avenonbut it's a lot anyway12:45
timelessanyway, my first question was to alterego about usb-mass-storage12:45
avenonand so maybe it's a cpu problem now12:45
timelessif we only get 10MB/s doing mass storage12:45
nid0you'd be lucky to get that through the usb link, regardless of the device at the end12:45
timelessthen i wouldn't bother trying to get better than 10MB/s on the link12:45
timelessand i'd assume the link is the limit12:45
avenonuhm so you're saying that the usb cable is the problem?12:45
timelessi'd finger the controller/port12:46
timelessbut i'm not pointing fingers12:46
avenonI have modified the controller12:46
nid0usb technology itself is the problem, almost no usb2 controllers are actually that fast12:46
timelessi'm asking someone to check the speed for the mass-storage device12:46
avenonand now it works better12:46
avenonat least I don't get errors12:46
timelessavenon: so what speed do you get for usb-mass-storage?12:46
* timeless sobs12:46
avenonI have to check it again12:46
nid0im checking now timeless12:46
avenonbut with these settings12:47
timelessnot getting i/o errors on usb-mass-storage would be a good thing12:47
avenonit's possible to start the transfer12:47
avenonbefore it wasn't possible12:47
timelesshypothetically i know of people who suffer because that's missing somewhere12:47
timeless(thankfully not on the n900)12:47
timelessnid0: thanks12:47
nid0im getting around 8.5MB/s12:47
nid0yeah 8.5-8.8MB/s seems about its' limit12:49
avenonon a normal pc how much is?12:50
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timelessavenon: anyway, since we're not even getting 10MB/s for mass storage, i would recommend you not bother trying to do better than 8MB/s for your usb device12:55
timelessnid0: =~ s/its'/its/ [its is already possessive]12:56
avenontimeless, damn it12:56
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timelessnid0: just for kicks, can you confirm that <uptime> doesn't show high cpu load? :)12:57
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timeless-- might as well rule out the "overclocking would help" argument...12:57
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nid0yea load peaks at around 0.5 while transferring as mass storage and not actively doing anything else, hovering around 85% idle12:59
avenonnid0, but have you a overclocked kernel?12:59
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avenondoes anyone have tried it with a modified kernel?12:59
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SpeedEvilI get 30M/s with my older thinkpad, to USB13:00
avenonSpeedEvil, how much is fast the CPU?13:00
avenonuhm k13:01
SpeedEvilThat's not really directly related though13:01
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SpeedEvilInterestingly, with three drives, I get 14.2M/s - an aggregate of 42M - which is quite close to theoretical max.13:06
avenonanyway in the kernel there is written:13:07
avenonISO not tested ... might work, but only weakly isochronous'13:08
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: do you want an N950?
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lolcatVenemo_N900: N950?!13:25
Venemo_N900lolcat: it's news to me too. read the thread.13:25
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* ruskie is seriously tired of "it needs flash 10"...13:29
lolcatNo specs?13:29
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lolcatruskie: I disable flash and java in my main browser, I wish I was competent enough to disable gif too13:30
ruskielolcat, I simply don't install them13:31
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timelesshey, does KMine support flowerpots?13:32
* timeless hates /.'s anti AC posting features13:35
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lolcatruskie: I need java to use my online bank13:37
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lolcatI don't understand it13:39
lolcatHow does that even work?13:39
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psycho_oreos`its magic' - apple support monkey once said :p13:41
psycho_oreosstill it looks fat13:41
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lolcatI think Ill buy it13:43
lolcatIf meego is usable13:43
Venemo_N900I hope that that pic is not true13:43
lolcatVenemo_N900: ^13:44
lolcatIt seams fine13:44
Venemo_N900it looks ugly.13:44
Venemo_N900only the qwerty would be enough for me13:44
togglesI preorderd mine13:44
psycho_oreosto me personally it seems like its quite easy to break. I mean sliding in two different directions, wtf13:45
psycho_oreosapart from that its hardly different from N90013:45
lolcatI would love it13:46
lolcatpsycho_oreos: Phone insurance is like... 6USD a month?13:46
psycho_oreoslolcat, and you should know very well how insurance companies work by now :) They like to take money rather than to give money especially at times of need13:47
lolcatI broke my N9713:47
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lolcatOr rather, some dude hit me in my face, and ran off with it13:47
psycho_oreosgood riddance? ;)13:48
lolcatStill they gave me more than I paid for it to buy a N90013:48
lolcatAnd at the shop I bougth the N900 they only had the display model13:48
lolcatSo it was 60% cheaper13:49
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lolcatBut the salesman let me get it as a package deal with usb headset, memorycard and some other things so I would get the full amount from the insurance company13:49
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lolcaterr, bluetooth headset13:50
Venemo_N900eh. N900 froze :(13:50
psycho_oreosthen again I think yer premiums will skyrocket :P13:51
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lolcatpsycho_oreos: Fixed price, wich I think is crazy13:51
lolcat36NOK no mather what make or model your phone is13:51
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lolcatOf course that pays of when I have a N90013:51
lolcatIt costs twice the amount most other phones does13:52
SpeedEvilOf course the fun arises when n900 is no longer sold.13:53
SpeedEvilAnd they replace your n900 with an 'equivalent' phone.13:53
psycho_oreoslolcat, so you don't pay extra just to reclaim a new one? sounds like a rather nice loophole one can scam to get heaps of phones through that sort of deal :p13:53
SpeedEviln97. say.13:53
Venemo_N900SpeedEvil: :D13:53
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SpeedEvilHmm - n900 still out of stock at
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lolcatpsycho_oreos: Well, after two lost phones in 1 or 2 years, then you will have to pay 1000-1500NOK yourself13:54
Venemo_N900you can fetch N900s from ebay for a fair used price13:55
nid0psycho_oreos: most phone insurance in the uk is kinda like that, fixed premium and a small excess, = "break" your phone every 2 years for a freebie upgrade13:55
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lolcatSpeedEvil: You won't they go by a list price, if they don't sell it (my phone company owns a phone shop) then they use the last price and I get to pick myself13:55
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* SpeedEvil wonders.13:56
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psycho_oreoslolcat, ahh so there is that bit of catch eh? well I thought it was pretty funny how it was evidently a big flaw.13:57
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psycho_oreosnid0, nice13:57
edheldiln950? That MWC presentation, sounds like Nokia is toying with us :)13:57
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psycho_oreostime will tell13:58
lolcatpsycho_oreos: Well, their shop is really expencive, and high end phones like the N900 never gets a low list price, whilst most shops sells it bellow the listprice13:58
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SpeedEviln950 - was something announced?13:58
SpeedEvil" Last month, the MeeGo team took its UI development covert as it finalized the latest update ahead of being considered “feature complete.”"13:59
psycho_oreoslolcat, *shrugs* for one to sell you a display phone at a reduced price is rather nice but I still remain cynical, They probably weren't selling that many N900 in the first place and therefore they may as well get rid of the one that's been on display for quite sometime :)14:00
lolcatpsycho_oreos: Still, it was good. I got a bluetooth headset, I got a 32gb micro sd card. THe phone had a barley visible scratch in the screen. And the insurance company had to pay more than my N97 was sold for.14:01
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lolcatAnd this was another shop, not the one owned by the phone/insurance company14:01
* Arkenoi wants hardware keyboard (fuck Elop)14:01
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* SpeedEvil also wants hw keyboard.14:01
* nid0 wants a *decent* hw keyboard, or none14:02
SpeedEvilAnd yes.14:02
lolcatI will never settle for a touch screen keyboard14:02
* Venemo_N900 wants hwkb too14:02
* Arkenoi won't buy all singing-and-dancing n950 just because hw kb is mandatory for me.14:02
SpeedEvil “There’s a lot of work that’s gone into the  technology,” he suggested, “there’s a lot of really interesting user  interface and platform design work, some very elegant hardware.”14:02
psycho_oreoslolcat, yeah I know but still :) there's something a little fishy there is all I'm pointing out14:02
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SpeedEvilToday, elegant hardware seems to mean a slim, rounded rectangle, with no slider.14:03
lolcatarno0ob: Doesn't N950 have two hwkbs?14:03
nid0lolcat: why would it?14:03
Venemo_N900no actual pics of n950 are leaked yet14:03
lolcatnid0: My images had!14:03
Venemo_N900only concepts14:03
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Arkenoiactually that's fucking apple cargo cult14:03
Venemo_N900so, those pics are only speculation14:03
* psycho_oreos doesn't see any need to rush into buying let alone pre-ordering N950, they guy hasn't even posted the details. For all we know is what it may look like but it could running on some really crappy hardware14:03
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nid0random concept image by random person copy/pasting an n900 with an extra little keypad != new phone design14:04
Venemo_N900nid0: ++14:04
lolcatSpeedEvil: That is how it will look14:04
SpeedEvilI love the way 'designers' can do a lovely shaded model.14:04
SpeedEvilBut utterly don't bother working out how the slide mechanism works, as that's boring.14:04
psycho_oreosjust typical `icing' that artist usually does14:05
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lolcatI would buy the one with the number pad14:05
SpeedEvilIf we're going unrealistic, I want a flippable display, with e-ink on one side.14:05
lolcatSpeedEvil: I want dual screen!14:06
nid0well a dual slider itself isnt unrealistic, its been done before14:06
lolcatOne on each side14:06
ruskieI want eink as well14:06
trxi want just smart e-ink14:06
trxno chips.. :)14:06
Venemo_N900I just want a sliding keyboard with an adjustable angle14:06
SpeedEvilnid0: Sure - but it adds weight, complexity, ...14:06
lcuki just want a working solid reliable Nokia phone :)14:07
lolcatBut would dual screen (one on each side) be so difficult?14:07
SpeedEvillolcat: yes14:07
SpeedEvillolcat: It complicates the case design enormously, as well as makes it thicker, the display is at least 2-3mm thick.14:07
nid0bollocks to 1 on each side, id much rather they just go for the original communicator-style layout14:08
Venemo_N900SpeedEvil: any info from an actually reliable source?14:08
trxalso, you need bigger battery14:08
lolcatSpeedEvil: I don't like that last image14:08
SpeedEvilVenemo_N900: I doubt it.14:08
SpeedEvillolcat: I suspect it'll be better than what arrives.14:08
SpeedEvilI hope I'm wrong.14:08
Venemo_N900SpeedEvil: :)14:08
lolcatMore ram and cpu enough for open office would be nice14:08
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SpeedEvilMore RAM is a gimme.14:09
SpeedEvilAt the time the n900 was designed, there were no suitable 512M RAM chips.14:09
lolcatHow much ram do the android phones usually come with? CPU?14:09
SpeedEvilTo clarify.14:09
Arkenoibtw i noticed that typical phone for nokia upper management seen in public was ancient n95. it was a sign not to be ignored.14:09
SpeedEvilThe CPU has the RAM mounted on top. There were no suitable 512M RAM chips available.14:10
nid0hows this for a bad picture14:10
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nid0somehow managed to combine 3 different phones into 1 picture14:11
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lolcatSpeedEvil: The N950 will have a bether cpu14:13
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meceoo meego phone speculations!14:14
meceI like14:14
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lolcatArkenoi: Old Nokia phones were awesome14:16
Venemo_N900Arkenoi: N95 was their last really decent phone (until N900)14:16
psycho_oreosexcept for N95-114:16
* nid0 hugs e9014:17
Venemo_N900psycho_oreos: no14:17
jonwilN900 was the first phone that made me even look in the direction of a Nokia handset14:17
mecei liked my N95-114:17
Venemo_N900actually, N95-1 was the best.14:17
psycho_oreosVenemo_N900, um yes :p it was feeblishly powered with a puny RAM. It kept crashing on me several times until several firmware updates reduced the amounts of crashes14:18
jonwilI very nearly bought Motorola or HTC but both manufacturers lock down their phones too much for my taste14:18
Venemo_N900psycho_oreos: never crashed for me14:18
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psycho_oreosVenemo_N900, you were lucky then, for me I've had nothing but woes with n95-1. When it comes to tinkering it would just bitch and moan, if you didn't heed to those calls it would just crash instead. Think of ROMPatcher when it came to disabling those gay camera/video sounds14:20
ruskieI got a N95... hmm after the 20.x update...14:20
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Venemo_N900psycho_oreos: dunno, I just turned those sounds off from the menu14:21
psycho_oreosI still have my N95-1 but I don't really care much about it, it would just complain about Inserting SIM card14:21
psycho_oreosVenemo_N900, that wasn't possible with my firmware14:21
ruskiepsycho_oreos, it wouldn't actually14:21
ruskieit can run wifi only14:21
Venemo_N900psycho_oreos: it was.14:21
psycho_oreosruskie, what do you mean it can run wifi only?14:21
ruskiethe n9514:21
ruskieno need for a sim card14:21
Venemo_N900psycho_oreos: it wasn't a separate option; it was together with other such sounds14:22
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ruskieI tend to have the n95 around my bed somewhere so I can use putty on it to ssh around my network if I'm to lazy to get up...(me n900 tends to be forgotten someplace just like any other phone)...14:22
psycho_oreosVenemo_N900, I think you had a different firmware to mine. There was absolutely no settings to disable sound. I'm also sure nokia forums was littered with people asking how to turn them off. Its per country regulation14:22
psycho_oreosruskie, it didn't in my case. I must have the SIM card inserted or it would not function14:22
ruskieit does go into offline mode true14:23
psycho_oreosruskie, as in nothing else usable except asking for insertion of SIM card. Just like what a normal phone would ask14:23
Venemo_N900psycho_oreos: I don't have it with me, but I'll look at it when I get home14:23
psycho_oreosruskie, I dunno I haven't updated mine for awhile but the inserting SIM messages are really annoying14:24
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psycho_oreosVenemo_N900, under camera? there were only shutter 1-4, nothing such as disable.. in the meantime I'll look for that thread14:24
Venemo_N900psycho_oreos: no. under sound14:24
ruskieyeah the camera sound wasn't disablable on all14:24
Venemo_N900it's the same option that disables battery sounds too14:25
ruskiewarning sounds14:25
Venemo_N900not sure of its English designation, but that one disabled camera sounds too for me14:26
psycho_oreosruskie, V31.0.017 16-12-08 RM-159 (13.01)14:26
psycho_oreosVenemo_N900, looking for it, bet I won't find it14:26
ruskiepsycho_oreos, and the phone is in offline mode?14:26
psycho_oreosruskie, no, I can switch to offline mode only if I have the SIM card inserted14:27
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psycho_oreosVenemo_N900, there wasn't a sound menu. There was settings but nothing about sound14:27
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, N95?14:27
ruskiesomething broken sounds to me...14:27
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, N95-1 (RM-159), the non-NAM version14:28
MohammadAGyeah, the one I have :p14:28
* ruskie has -1 as well14:28
psycho_oreosruskie, its been giving me shits since 2 months after the happy little purchase that I made awhile back. It still gives me shits when it plays up14:28
MohammadAGno problems here, might give it to a friend though14:29
psycho_oreosmaybe firmware update is definitely required?14:29
MohammadAGtbh, it's one of my favorite phones14:29
MohammadAGv35 is latest, what problems are you having?14:29
ruskiehmm I think mine is still @31...14:29
psycho_oreosthe battery door is so flimsy that it was easy for one to break the legs off it. I eventually used sticky tapes to hold it in place14:30
ruskiewould probably need to verify that it can be cracked first though14:30
MohammadAGheh, I'm sure we all had that problem14:30
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, V31, I had to use various hacks to get shit to work. My main gripe mainly lies with the stupid `Insert SIM card' message now14:30
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* ruskie had no probs with the battery door14:31
psycho_oreosI had to crack mine just to get rid of that stupid camera shutter sounds, just to get C:\ and Z:\ visible. Just to be able to install things like pynetmony14:31
MohammadAGC: and Z: are always visible14:31
MohammadAGC:\Private isn't14:31
MohammadAGZ: can't be written to sadly14:32
psycho_oreosor sys files, etc14:32
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MohammadAGrompatcher ftw14:32
ruskieI bought it evening on a saturday14:32
ruskieby lunch sunday it was cracked14:32
psycho_oreosyeah I had to use that just to also get rid of the stupid camera shutter/video recording sounds14:32
ruskieI just did it out of matter of principle... my device... I can do what I want with it14:33
lolcatCan you disable the N900 camera sound?14:33
ruskieactually the way my n95 is currently configured I can just slot in a sim and still have everything I did to id...14:33
* psycho_oreos thinks what a pain in the ass, its much like how one normally has to jailbreak the nowadays the equivalent on android, iOS and WP714:33
psycho_oreoslolcat, yes its noted in the wiki, plus using silent mode also works14:33
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, can you run that n95-1 without SIM card now?14:35
divanWhat are 'tactile popups'?14:36
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thpdivan: vibration when the appmenu/dialogs appear/disappear14:40
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divanthp, thanks. Is it useful? worth trying?14:40
thpi like it (but i'm obviously biased, as i wrote it :p)14:41
ruskiesounds like another energy guzzling thing that will be not-installed/disabled14:41
Venemo_N900I also dislike vibrations14:41
ruskieI have them for feedback... set to uber low... but that's mainly because I rarely use the touchscreen...14:41
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* LjL wonders whether this Diablo Turbo thing is dangerous crap or what14:42
thpthe way tactile feedback is enabled by default is useless - it also vibrates if you touch areas that are not "sensitive" (e.g. you don't hit a button)14:42
psycho_oreosVenemo_N900, <-- re: <Venemo_N900> psycho_oreos: dunno, I just turned those sounds off from the menu14:45
jarkkom_it's legally mandated thing that you must not be able to disable it in some areas14:46
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pupnikit's amazing how scummy ebay sellers of phones are :)14:46
jarkkom_US, middle east firmware don't have the option14:46
psycho_oreosAU doesn't have the option to mute it either14:47
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pupnikthat's pretty strange14:47
psycho_oreoshence ROMPatcher and toying around with N95-1 that will crash when the patch is applied on certain versions14:48
RST38hWell. Moo.14:48
RST38hpupnik: How about NOT buying a phone on ebay?14:48
ruskiepsycho_oreos, you could always flash with an other area firmware14:49
psycho_oreosruskie, albeit that wasn't easy, its doable but it was risky14:49
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pupnikRST38h: i can wait for a local unit14:49
psycho_oreosyou had to first change it so that its from another country prior to flashing it with another area's firmware14:49
psycho_oreosand that wasn't always guaranteed to work or it won't have any other faults14:50
ruskiepsycho_oreos, erm... it was dead easy14:50
ruskieone app... grab the info... change it... push it back to the device14:50
ruskiethen of course you could flash it14:51
psycho_oreosruskie, that two part process? didn't think so, You had to change the product ID14:51
psycho_oreosand hopefully nothing else is stuffed? :)14:51
* Arkenoi listened Green's speech. In a few words "everything is going as before: meego for geeks, symbian for others, dumbphones for third world countries, ah, about microsoft.. well, we got some funny shit, have a look, it may be amazing as well"14:52
Venemo_N900Arkenoi: :D14:52
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ruskiepsycho_oreos, iirc it was one windows app14:53
E0xmediaplayer is mod/change in SSU updates ?14:53
ruskiehookup device... grab info... change it... push it back14:53
Arkenoithe real problem if it is all true it is no good either14:54
pupnikArkenoi: look at actions, not pronouncements14:54
psycho_oreosruskie, yeah one windows app which carried with the usual signs that you would see when trying to install uboot :p may brick your phone in other words14:54
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Arkenoipupnik, i see just one *real* action and it damn sucks: i won't get a new gone this spring.14:55
psycho_oreosit was a royal pita for me, but I don't see any point in flashing it anymore, I went around the long way with ROMpatcher which works rather nicely14:55
ruskiepsycho_oreos, but it wasn't actually hard...14:55
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Arkenoi(and probably not in this year at all)14:55
* jonwil wishes he could figure out just which bits of information from the phone dialer are relavent to someone building an alternative dialer14:56
psycho_oreosruskie, it might not have been if it wasn't one's main phone :) I'd hate to walk around with a useless and bricked phone14:56
psycho_oreosgetting it reflashed the nokia centre guys probably would curiously asked why and how as to bricking the n95-114:56
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ruskiepsycho_oreos, I'd simply tell them... ;)14:57
jonwilI remember bricking my Motorola Z6 by mistake when I first got it14:57
jonwilI was trying to read the flash contents and accidentally sent the "Erase" command14:57
jonwilTook it to the local motorola service people and just said "it doesnt work, fix it"14:58
jonwiland they re-installed the software14:58
jonwiland then it worked again14:58
psycho_oreosruskie, hah! and in the meantime you'll be stuck without a phone, nobody can contact you easily, you cannot contact anyone easily14:58
psycho_oreos*shrugs* I bought N95-1 on a whim, it was when I somehow misplaced my Motorola V314:59
ruskiepsycho_oreos, erm... I still have my original n5110, my next n5140, my mom's n3210 ;)14:59
ruskieand no I don't really care about a cell phone14:59
jonwilgod I remember the V315:00
psycho_oreosruskie, I had none of those, a bricked phone would mean I would be basically unreachable until its fixed15:00
jonwiland its crappy proprietary OS15:00
ruskieand I still consider the n5110 as the best phone I had...15:00
ruskiepsycho_oreos, I'm unreachable even if it's working 100%15:00
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jonwilnever owned a V3 though (thank god)15:00
jonwilnever a fan of flip phones :P15:00
ruskiesince it's set to silent 99% of the time15:00
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psycho_oreosI couldn't just simply not care about the cell phone :p at the time I was pretty distressed having lost a phone when I heavily depended on it (notably for things other than just a phone)15:01
psycho_oreosjonwil, lol I never bought it, me old man gave it to me as a gift15:01
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psycho_oreosruskie, well your usage of a cellphone is different from mine :) I heavily use my phones as my alarm clocks. If they went missing I'd get sacked :p15:02
psycho_oreosand that's just one example15:02
Venemo_N900luckily, N900 alarm works even if N900 is in silent mode15:02
LjLi remember the time when my alarms would work even if the phone was *off*... ;(15:03
LjLnokia dumbphones <315:03
psycho_oreossadly the alarm function is quite buggy, nevertheless its better than nothing15:03
psycho_oreosmy N95-1 sounded alarms as soon as I put it onto charging a few minutes or even an hour or two after when it was supposed to sound the alarm.15:04
Arkenoimy first GSM phone was 900015:04
psycho_oreosand that was from a flat battery15:04
Arkenoii was on DAMPS before that15:04
psycho_oreos<-- 321015:04
psycho_oreosand that was stolen15:04
Arkenoiactually, 9000i15:04
Arkenoiand all following were communicators as well except i tried once 7650+palm PDA combo and it was disgusting15:05
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Arkenoithat was due to a big pause between 9210i and 950015:05
psycho_oreosI really really like the communicator series. It was something that I drooled whenever I looked at the brochure as a kid. I even kept the brochure for awhile before throwing it away15:06
Arkenoii could not wait anymore, as 9210 had no bluetooth and no gprs, and csd data transfer was quite expensive15:06
nid0LjL, what dyou mean "remember" that time? all nokia phones do that15:06
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ruskiepsycho_oreos, hehe... I have the same problem with alarms... sadly I'm to used to everything now... and I actually require being phisicaly shaken awake...15:07
Arkenoithe most annoying problem with communicators since 9210 was that hardware was already outdated even at the first official announce day15:07
Arkenoinid0: does n900 do it as well?15:08
psycho_oreosruskie, well at least I have multiple alarms going off sequentially.. currrently two phones set on 15 minute intervals x 5 times15:08
LjLnid0: well i don't have a Nokia phone now15:08
ruskiepsycho_oreos, n900... fcrontab: music playing, espeak voice droninng on about time regular phone alarm...15:09
ruskieand it doesn't really help15:09
psycho_oreosruskie, I don't have music playing :D I just have a really really bland sound (nokia default alarm sounds), they seem to work ok, alot better than playing some random music that I like15:10
ruskiepsycho_oreos, well nothing really helps me...15:11
Venemo_N900never, ever go out with an N900 that is not fully charged15:11
ruskieVenemo_N900, I do it 4 days a week ;)15:11
nid0these days I mostly rely on a girlfriend who needs to go to work earlier than me as my alarm clock15:11
ruskiebecause it lasts for 4 days on a single charge!!!15:11
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ruskiepsycho_oreos, well my ears seem to go into some defensive mode... and I hardly hear stuff...15:12
psycho_oreosruskie, try what I have lol, two nokia phones with standard alarm tones, both of them going off at 15 minute intervals for 6 times before you're due to wake up. Place the older phone like about two metres away from your head and have the tones set to maximum :D15:12
ruskieI tried all that already ;)15:12
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ruskieand I prefer a 5 minute interval... 15 minute means I'll just fall soundly asleep back15:13
nid0is it that you just dont wake up atall, or that you turn the alarms off and fall back asleep?15:13
psycho_oreosmaybe decrease the intervals and increase the amount of sequential alarms lol15:13
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psycho_oreosI personally turn my alarms off. When I wake up, I can see there's the snooze button but the tired side gets the better of me by hitting the stop alarm button instead15:14
ruskienid0, don't want to wake up15:15
skyscraperi have a problem with my n900: i cant send any sms... it displays immediatly after i press "send" the message: "delivery for message xyz failed" (or something like that, its in german ;))15:15
nid0I used to have problems just shutting my alarms off without even waking up enough to know I was doing it or remember it after the fact15:15
ruskieow I simply don't shut them off15:15
ruskiethey keep dronning on15:15
nid0so I ended up just using my pc as my final alarm, having it lock itself and start playing music15:15
ruskieand I just sleep through them15:15
ruskieI'm a heavy sleeper15:15
nid0so would need to drag my ass to the otherside of the room, sit down, turn the screen on, unlock the machine, and stop the music15:15
ruskietried that...15:16
ruskieother than waking everyone else... no luck15:16
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psycho_oreosruskie, maybe you could do what some actor did in a movie. Have about 10-15 alarm clocks stretching from the bed side all the way to the window all on the same alarm time lol :D15:16
ruskieI simply am not a morning person...15:17
ruskieI'll naturally wake up a bit before 0900 or so...15:17
psycho_oreosor that back to the future movie where the alarm triggers various gadgets to automate cooking breakfest and pouring a bucket of water onto your head :D15:17
ruskiebut I prefer to start work at 0700 so I can be off at 150015:17
ruskieso need to get up at 0600-063015:17
skyscraperanyone can help me?15:18
nid0thats way early :<15:18
nid0I enjoy getting up at 8:25 for an 8:30 start15:18
psycho_oreosI have alarms going off at 0400, 0415, 0430, 0445, 0500, 0515 for 0600 starts :)15:18
psycho_oreosand that's with two alarms going off simultaneously, well almost15:18
psycho_oreosand I'm also not a morning person but work is not something that I look forward to everyday and so I'd prefer to have it done first thing in the morning so then I can have the rest of the day to myself15:20
ruskieyeah ;)15:20
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ruskiecat's aren't much help at waking up as well... they tend to curl up and add more heat... so I'll just keep on snoozing...15:21
pupnikthen you feed them too much15:21
psycho_oreosimo, the standard nokia alarm tone 1 on n95-1 is way more creepy than nokia alarm tone 1 on n900. Especially with an old vibrator running.. BZZZZZZT! BZZZZZZT! BZZZZZZT! BZZZZZZT!15:21
skyscrapercan i reflash mit rootfs without formating the 2GB /home or the 27GB /home/user/MyDocs?!?15:21
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psycho_oreosskyscraper, that's what the fiasco image is supposed to do yes15:21
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psycho_oreosskyscraper, and no I don't know how to solve that issue with unable to send SMS, never seen that error message before.. it could be a reception issue, or some settings with SMS isn't right15:22
skyscraperpsycho_oreos: i cant send or receive sms anymore.. dont know why... but its strange.. in nitdroid i can RECEIVE sms but cant send, too15:22
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ruskiecould be a hdd issue15:23
ruskiecheck dmesg15:23
ruskiemight be the fs got corrupted or something15:23
dschoepeDoes anyone know where I can get the source for this project? The git repository just contains an empty `welcome' file:
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skyscraperwhat is cfg80211 ? its in dmesg15:24
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ruskiewifi stuff15:24
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psycho_oreoscfg80211 is a thing to do with mac80211 framework, its for wireless15:24
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skyscraperah ok... it changes from US and EU15:25
ruskieanything related to mmc ?15:25
skyscraperhm and theres: "Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods"15:25
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ruskiealso might want to check the output of mount to see if everything is mounted properly(nothing as ro or read-only)15:26
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psycho_oreosthat's to do with memory, not really important. I get that message as well15:26
skyscraperhm.... i will be back later... end at school... (earlier as normal argh)15:26
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dschoepepsycho_oreos: ah, thanks15:27
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psycho_oreosits available in the repo, I suppose you can add the repo as normal into scratchbox with deb-src lines and then use apt-get source foo15:27
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dschoepepsycho_oreos: I found it on gitorious:
jonwilSo much for reverse engineering the dialer, I have given up due to its complexity :P15:29
psycho_oreosdschoepe, ahh well there you go :)15:29
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psycho_oreosjonwil, lol maybe you need to break up the bigger chunks into smaller bite size pieces :)15:29
psycho_oreosor hopefully lol15:29
jonwilits not that simple15:29
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psycho_oreosyeah as I figured :| its one big ASM blob?15:30
jonwilyeah its one big binary blob15:30
jonwilif more people cared about my work (and pointed me at specific pieces of info they want), things wouldn't be so hard15:31
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dschoepeWhat disassembler did you use? IDA helped me a great deal when I had to dissect windows executables15:31
SkyscraperN900i'm back with my phone now15:31
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jonwilIDA is not as good for ARM as it is for x8615:31
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SkyscraperN900i think ive found something fs related!15:31
ruskie <-- pain...15:31
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jonwilNot unless you have a couple grand and can afford the ARM deompiler15:31
SkyscraperN900[   23.130340] EXT3-fs warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended15:31
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ruskieSkyscraperN900, might be a good idea to do that...15:32
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SkyscraperN900i have the problem since 2 days... i took a photo and then phone shutdown because of battery... maybe it corrupted fs while writing the photo?15:33
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SkyscraperN900what command do i have to use to run e2fsck? it has many parameters15:35
ruskieusually just e2fsck /dev/whateverdevice15:36
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ruskiebut you might need to unmount it first15:36
SkyscraperN900hm which device should i check?15:36
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SkyscraperN900can i umount /home ?!?15:37
SkyscraperN900and after reboot all devices are mounted back?!15:37
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psycho_oreosprobably not a good idea, you could try15:37
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psycho_oreoswell yes it should15:37
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ruskieyou could do the check from nitdroid15:38
* psycho_oreos wonders if tinkering /etc/fstab to make it automatically do that via pass or some other var work15:38
SkyscraperN900psycho_oreos i think that the sms database etc are in /home/user and not in MyDocs15:38
SkyscraperN900ruskie but my nitdroid is installed on /home so i cant15:39
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ruskiepsycho_oreos, fstab is sadly regenerated15:39
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ruskiepsycho_oreos, need to make a CSSU fix for that...15:39
psycho_oreosSkyscraperN900, then again, lots of 3rd party apps as well as some system (maemo ones) are also placed inside /opt which is actually mounted back as /home/uopt15:40
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: SkyscraperN900, then again, lots of 3rd party apps as well as some system (maemo ones) are also placed inside /opt which is actually mounted back as /home/opt15:40
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psycho_oreosruskie, I'd imagine an ugly hack might work >:D chattr +i (muhahahahahaha)15:40
psycho_oreoserr sudo chattr +i even15:40
SkyscraperN900psycho_oreos and whats the problem? /opt is the same device as /home or isnt it?15:41
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SkyscraperN900/dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback)15:42
psycho_oreosSkyscraperN900, correct which is separate from rootfs iinm15:42
ruskiepsycho_oreos, still no auto checking in the init...15:42
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psycho_oreosruskie, even after making it immutable? o.O15:42
SkyscraperN900psycho_oreos so i CAN umount /home?15:42
ruskiepsycho_oreos, the init is badly implemented15:42
ruskieI'm planing on working it in tho cssu...15:42
psycho_oreosSkyscraperN900, probably not, you can umount other stuff that's mounted to /opt then umounting /opt but I wouldn't personally recommend it15:43
SkyscraperN900and how should i check the fs of /home then?!?15:43
psycho_oreosSkyscraperN900, also seeing as how you have nitdroid, I'd do what ruskie said. I don't have nitdroid or any other bootable OS as an option15:43
psycho_oreosruskie, blah :| I thought setting it immutable would work15:44
SkyscraperN900psycho_oreos my nitdroid is installed in /home15:44
ruskieboot using an external sd card15:44
ruskieI really wish we had a good initramfs for this type of stuff...15:44
psycho_oreosSkyscraperN900, lol well :/15:44
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SkyscraperN900hm. i think i should again install ubuntu 9,10 on my sd card15:44
SkyscraperN900or should i copy nitdroid from /home to sd and modify the multiboot file?15:45
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ruskieI'd suggest using meego15:45
ruskieand the uboot solution15:46
ruskienot sure if multiboot can actually help here much...15:46
SkyscraperN900i have installed multiboot for nitdroid15:46
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ruskiemultiboot is a hack... uboot actually can boot other things...15:46
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psycho_oreosthere was a big thread on tmo about how unsafe multiboot was15:47
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SkyscraperN900but another: why i cant send sms in nitdroid too when its only a fs problem?15:48
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psycho_oreossomeone eventually said that by the time the side effects gets to the owner, he/she would have done about 1,000,000 times or something15:48
psycho_oreosI think the best idea is to get one problem fixed at a time rather than trying to speculate on all the possible solutions for the issues you encounter on other instances :)15:49
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SkyscraperN900hm. i'll drive home now. then testing...15:50
SkyscraperN900will be back later!15:50
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mecesoo.. will "N950" have a keyboard, one wonders. As Rich Green names it the successor of N900, I have some hopes.15:59
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DocScrutinizerlol, multiboot16:11
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DocScrutinizerbackupmenu comes with fsck of /home on the klick of one key16:14
DocScrutinizerruskie: ^^^16:15
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pupnik  cortex a9 netbook under 300 euro16:38
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SkyscraperN900im back16:44
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* n900evil is on a bus.16:44
SkyscraperN900is it possible to write an sms via xterm or dbus or stl?16:45
n900evilI vaguely remember a dbus way being mentioned16:45
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SkyscraperN900maybe helpful for my problem16:46
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n900evildo snakes count?16:47
DocScrutinizerSkyscraperN900: you *should* use backupmenu to fsck16:47
DocScrutinizeralas it's probably not installable when /opt is r/o16:48
SkyscraperN900DocScrutinizer wheres fsck at backupmenu16:48
DocScrutinizererr, "f"?16:48
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SkyscraperN900docscrutinizer you mean the standard "backup" menu?16:49
DocScrutinizerno, I mean the app backupmenu16:49
SkyscraperN900n900evil the sms has to be an pdu?16:49
n900evilSkyscraperN900: no16:49
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SkyscraperN900ah okay i dont have it @ docscrutinizer16:50
n900evilSkyscraperN900: no to the backup thing16:50
DocScrutinizern900evil: you should reconsider your nick policy ;-D16:50
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SkyscraperN900The following packages have unmet dependencies:16:51
SkyscraperN900 backupmenu: Depends: bootmenu-n900 but it is not going to be installed16:51
busevilOOOh! what's this on the seat next to me!16:51
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SkyscraperN900is bootmenu-n900 working against multiboot?16:51
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I didn't mean to even faster hop from XXXevil to XYZevil and back X-P16:52
SkyscraperN900docscrutinizer should i deinstall multiboot first? can i boot nitdroid 2.3 from bootmenu-n900?16:52
DocScrutinizerbootmenu and multiboot don't conflict afaik, nevertheless multiboot is an evil hack and strongly deprecated16:53
SkyscraperN900so i should deinstall it?16:53
DocScrutinizerpester nitdroid folks to *finally* adopt uBoot16:54
DocScrutinizerSkyscraperN900: no16:54
SkyscraperN900is bootmenu-n900 = uboot?!16:54
n950evilThis is my mobile device - my other nick is still logged, unless the DSL has fallen over again.16:54
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I didn't mean to even faster hop from XXXevil to XYZevil and back X-P16:54
SkyscraperN900hm. so what should i do now?16:55
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SkyscraperN900hm i'm installing backupmenu and bootmenu-n900 now16:57
DocScrutinizerto fsck /home? without prev precaution/preparation? boot into meego-rescueinitrd16:58
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DocScrutinizerwell, if that pans out, then fine16:58
SkyscraperN900loool bootmenu-n900 forces deinstall of multiboot16:59
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SkyscraperN900so now bootmenu-n900 and backupmemu are installed. should i restart now?16:59
DocScrutinizerfsck multiboot, forget nitdroid (until they finally bother to fix their sh*t)17:00
DocScrutinizerSkyscraperN900: boot with slider open17:00
SkyscraperN900will be back in a moment (hopefully)17:00
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Skyscraperi started fsck and it aborts immediately:17:04
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SkyscraperErrors may have been encountered: code:4 RX-51_2009SE_1.2: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. (i.e., without -a or -p options) - Press any key to continue17:06
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DocScrutinizerthat's to bad. It means your partition is so thoroughly screwed not even fsck has any clue how to fix it17:06
SkyscraperMyDocs found and error first time, sd card nothing... - now MyDocs and sd card passing but OptFS fails17:07
Skyscraperhum and now?17:07
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DocScrutinizerfull reflash17:08
Skyscraperis it possible to reflash only OptFS? without deleting mydocs?17:08
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Skyscraperso i have to save all the 27GB to my harddisk before flashing?17:08
Skyscraperi think it will need some hours to copy via USB17:08
DocScrutinizerumm, 40min17:09
Skyscraperall 27GB?17:09
Skyscraperdo you have a reflash-guide?17:09
DocScrutinizerwell iirc I *wrote* 12G in some 16min17:09
infoboti guess flashing is
Skyscraperhm... now maemo wont boot anymore i think... the 5 "loadingpoints" flashing but theres no UI17:10
DocScrutinizer(writing is supposed to be way slower than read)17:10
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Skyscraperhm okay... should NOT boot from backupmenu to maemo.. doenst work..17:11
DocScrutinizerfsck of /opt might have killed it finally (i.e. put the latent errors in fs to surface)17:11
Skyscraperno... hard reset and booting again fixed it17:11
DocScrutinizeryou can not boot from backup menu to maemo17:11
Skyscraperoh yeah it says again: no sim card... dont know why17:12
Skyscraperi hope its caused of the fs failure17:12
DocScrutinizerthere's not even a key/option for that17:12
Skyscraperlol now 3G17:12
DocScrutinizerSkyscraper: have you overclocked the device?17:13
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SkyscraperDocScrutinizer, NO, NEVER!17:13
DocScrutinizerhmm, k17:13
Skyscraperokay i have had power kernel but overcloking disabled completely17:14
DocScrutinizernota bene IF you had, we could hunt bugs for hours, without ever getting to root cause nor fixing it17:14
DocScrutinizerfair enough17:14
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Skyscraperyes but i hate overclocking.... i never overclocked any device... no computer, no phone, nothing17:15
DocScrutinizerSkyscraper: so go reflash. We could try to find out what's wrong and try to find a way to fix it, but that will take longer than the 40min for saving, plus 40 min for restoring17:16
tybolltI'd go all in overclocking right now seeing as there's a snowballs chance in hell we'll be getting that N9 w/ meego on it ;)17:17
tybolltso faster device is not gunna happen17:17
SkyscraperDocScrutinizer, yes, copying is already running ;)17:17
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DocScrutinizerno gunny happy?17:18
tybolltnot going to happen17:18
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tybollt(I'd love for someone to prove me wrong on that though)17:19
DocScrutinizerI suggest you go testing how deep you can drown the N900 in your toilet, as a waterproof device never gonna happen17:19
Skyscraperis there a option for "cp" that show status?17:19
tybolltDocScrutinizer: :D17:20
jacekowskithere are some strace based hacks17:20
Skyscraperso i have to wait that my cp command finished?17:20
tybolltDocScrutinizer: so it _will_ be released?17:20
Skyscraper- /media/sda2/N900$ sudo cp -R /media/Nokia\ N900/* ./ <- running :D17:20
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DocScrutinizerbut that's just noise as well17:22
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DocScrutinizeryou could use dd ;-)17:22
DocScrutinizerbut that won't do what you need17:22
DocScrutinizermc shows some progress bar afaik17:22
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Skyscrapercopies that comand the .* dirs too?17:27
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DocScrutinizeryes, usually it does17:27
DocScrutinizermc is norton-commander clone17:27
Skyscraperno cp17:27
Skyscraper- /media/sda2/N900$ sudo cp -R /media/Nokia\ N900/* ./ <- running :D17:28
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DocScrutinizercp doesn't17:28
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DocScrutinizerman cp17:28
Skyscrapereven with -R?17:28
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Skyscraperhum so i should abort copy17:32
DocScrutinizerBy default, `cp' copies the contents of special files only when not copying recursively. This default can be overridden with the `--copy-contents' option.17:32
DocScrutinizeryou should use -a rather than -R anyway17:32
Skyscrapermc  wont work:17:33
SkyscraperTERM environment variable needs set.17:33
Skyscraperhm now mc works ;)17:34
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DocScrutinizeryou're starting mc in a normal xterm on your PC?17:34
SkyscraperTERM=linux; export TERM17:34
Skyscraperyes... its an xubuntu17:34
DocScrutinizerget a decent distro!17:34
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DocScrutinizerabout buntkuh:
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Skyscraperhm... i like it17:36
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Skyscraperhow to say MC to copy whole /media/Nokia\ N900/ to /media/sda2/N900/ ?17:37
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DocScrutinizermove to "/media/Nokia\ N900/", press F5, enter "/media/sda2/N900/"17:37
Skyscrapercant work on ".."17:38
DocScrutinizer(if you change to other panel and move to /media/sda2/N900/ there, then you'll not need to enter anything)17:39
pupnikThe word "inform" means "to give shape within"17:40
Skyscrapershould i select some points?17:40
DocScrutinizermake sure "save attr" is tagged17:41
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Skyscraperfollow links?17:41
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Skyscrapergo to subdirs?17:42
Skyscraperit should copy ALL17:42
DocScrutinizerpress F1 please17:42
Venemoheh. I've just re-watched this video. it still looks very nice :)
Skyscraperso only mark save attrib17:43
Skyscrapercopies now17:45
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javispedropupnik: actually, it means "to give shape"; no idea what "within" does there.17:46
DocScrutinizerSkyscraper: \o/17:46
Skyscraperdont know that smiley17:46
DocScrutinizerlike hooray17:47
divanVenemo, thanks, nice promo. Never seen it before.17:47
Venemodivan: it's an ancient demo of Maemo 5 :)17:48
DocScrutinizerwhile lol is "hands up, freeze!" ;-D17:48
divanYeah, I see the  date of video ))17:48
Venemoactually this video was one of the things that attracted me to Maemo :)17:48
DocScrutinizerand /o\ is "duck and cover"17:48
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SkyscraperDocScrutinizer, should i use the "Global" image for germany n900?17:51
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DocScrutinizerflash vanilla eMMC image first though17:52
Skyscrapercontains RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the eMMC also?17:52
Skyscraperwhat vanilla eMMC image should i download?17:52
DocScrutinizeryou need most recent VANILLA17:53
SkyscraperLatest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 ?17:53
DocScrutinizerit's not same version like COMBINED17:53
Skyscrapervanilla and then combined?17:53
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Skyscrapercombined is the same as fiasco?17:54
infobotsomebody said flashing was
DocScrutinizer>>(flashing the) FIASCO aka *COMBINED*, also referred to as "rootfs" though this file and flashing process also consists of...<<17:55
DocScrutinizer>>(flashing the) eMMC aka *VANILLA*, which will replace the complete content of N900's internal 32 GB storage (embedded MMC), which is: the /home parti...<<17:56
Skyscrapershould i copy /home/user to MyDocs?17:56
DocScrutinizergood plan17:56
Skyscraperand /opt ?17:56
Skyscraperin /home/user are some configs and own apps ;)17:57
DocScrutinizeryou'll need to install /opt freshly anyway, by reimnstalling your apps from hildon-backup-app restore17:57
DocScrutinizerso make another backup *now*, with backup app17:58
jpinx_awayanyone got experience of missing incomingcallswhile connected to GPRS on the same ntwork?17:58
DocScrutinizera *full* backup - i.e. enable all backup options, save backup to uSD card, not internal storage17:59
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DocScrutinizerjpinx_away: no17:59
jpinx_awayincoming SMS get throughand outgoing calls suspend the GPRS as expected. but incoming cazlls seem to get silently dropped18:00
maybeArghuhm... anybody got any experience with sygic maps? apparently i'm too stoopid to install the DACH version18:00
DocScrutinizerjpinx_away: that's a problem of your carrier's config18:00
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jpinx_awayDocScrutinizer: I wondered if it might be that18:01
kerioOMFG N950?!?!?!18:01
DocScrutinizerGSM/2G GPRS has a nonzero chance to drop inbound calls when transfering data, if network is poorly configured by your provider18:01
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Skyscraperpupnik, i downloaded another vanilla image?
pupnikSkyscraper: i made a joke18:02
DocScrutinizerjpinx_away: the N900's modem *can* handle concurrent data and call18:02
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DocScrutinizerjpinx_away: buzzword class-A18:02
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Skyscraperwhat happens when booting after flashing vanilla without flashing fiasco? theres a red message saying: never do that?18:04
pupnikwas the n900 a financial loss for nokia?18:04
ruskiedoubt it...18:04
pupnikwere sales numbers released?18:05
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slonopotamuspupnik: lack of other maemo-based devices was though.18:06
DocScrutinizeryay, Gaddafi at his best - LOL18:06
florianpupnik: unlikely... imho Nokia never releases sales information of a single device.18:06
SpeedEvilflorian: they did say 100K in first couple of weeks IIRC18:07
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DocScrutinizersure, global press and journalism wants to insult Libya people by reporting about civil war that's going on18:07
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SpeedEvil>100k in 5 weeks, ratehr18:07
DocScrutinizerand that's been too low, according to other sources18:08
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DocScrutinizerSkyscraper: so don't do it :-)18:09
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DocScrutinizerSkyscraper: (when you try to boot after flashing eMMC *first*, it simply will fail. If you're flashing COMBINED first and then boot, you have to start over again)18:10
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SkyscraperDocScrutinizer, i WONT do it... i was interested what happens when anyone do it18:11
infobotrumour has it, flashing is
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DocScrutinizerjeeeeez, watch that Gaddafi speech, it's incredible X-P18:13
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Skyscraperdoes the battery have to be at 100%?18:13
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jpinx_awayDocScrutinizer51: fwiw it *is my carrir and they installed an SMS alert system for me18:15
DocScrutinizerOMFG !! a small group of drug addict Libyan youngsters attacked some military camps, exploiting the peace and liberty in Libya18:15
Venemolol DocScrutinizer18:15
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pupnikty for link SpeedEvil18:17
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pupnikdarn gpsmon sees many satellites but for some reason doesn't give lat/lon18:18
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SkyscraperDocScrutinizer, lol MC copies a big file named FSCK0000.REC ?18:20
DocScrutinizerooohmy even with a braindead realtime-translator in TV, it's utterly clear this Muhamar guy is completely out of his mind18:20
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DocScrutinizerSkyscraper: lost file, recovered by fsck18:21
Skyscraperbut why its soooo big?18:21
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Ljrn900so any way to upgrade to PR1.3 w/o Windows?18:26
DocScrutinizerdamn, I can't help imagining Muhamar al Gaddafi with a little mustache. and side parting, vaseline in hair18:26
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DocScrutinizeryou know what I mean18:28
DocScrutinizerLjrn900: SSU, ~flashing18:30
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flashing is
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SkyscraperDocScrutinizer, now all copied from MyDocs to local-pc... but... when i try "du /media/Nokia\N900" against "du /media/sda2/N900/Nokia\ N900" the real n900 folder is bigger?18:38
DocScrutinizeroh yeah, Gaddafi threating his people with story of Tian'nan'men' square, and of Jelzin and Russian parliament - what a mad rabid dog18:39
Skyscraper28170496./Nokia N900/ <- real n900 - VS - 27856880Nokia N900/ <- copied n90018:39
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DocScrutinizeryou might want to do ls -R / >ls1.txt, ...ls2.txt, then diff ls1.tyt ls2.txt18:41
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SkyscraperDocScrutinizer, ls -Ar?18:42
Skyscraperah lr18:42
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Skyscraperdiff ls1.txt ls2.txt18:45
Skyscraper< ls1.txt18:45
Skyscraper> ls2.txt18:45
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Ljrn900DocScrutinizer, can I obtain a PR1.3 firmware w/o agreeing not to reverse engineer it?19:00
slonopotamusLjrn900: sure, i can send you one19:01
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Ljrn900slonopotamus, the vanilla one?19:01
DocScrutinizerLjrn900: nfc, ask nokia customer care?19:01
BallmarmanGreetings and salutations all19:02
slonopotamusLjrn900: err... there's more than one pr1.3 firmware?19:02
slonopotamus(UK doesn't count)19:02
Ljrn900slonopotamus, nfc.19:02
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DocScrutinizerLjrn900: in Europe, for all I know it's not possible to rule out RE for private purposes19:02
Ljrn900DocScrutinizer, I am US19:03
crashanddiehey Ballmarman19:03
BallmarmanMy n900 is crawling at turtle's pace...any suggestions?19:03
DocScrutinizerLjrn900: relocate, your country's jurisdiction sucks19:03
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crashanddieYou mean it sucks because it's only allowed to serve justice to the people that live there?19:03
Ljrn900UK is worse overall19:04
SkyscraperDocScrutinizer, how to copy all in /home/user to MyDocs (without mydocs itself and WITH ".*" dirs)19:04
DocScrutinizerSkyscraper: -x19:04
crashanddieLjrn900, UK is hardly worse than US, but well.19:04
Ljrn900crashanddie, sorry it is19:04
MohammadAGor, not19:05
Skyscraperand with mc? seems so that mc is in maemo repo's too :D19:05
BallmarmanWhy is skype video a colossal suck on the n900?19:05
crashanddieLjrn900, that's your argument? "sorry, it is"?19:05
crashanddieBallmarman, because Skype did a wankjob of it19:05
Ljrn900crashanddie, I don't make argument while i drive19:05
MohammadAGskype rapes CPU19:05
crashanddieLjrn900, how long do you have to go?19:06
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BallmarmanYes, yet another reason why just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD19:06
crashanddiewell, from what I can tell, the Skype thingy is so shitty because the API teams kept saying the DEV teams did a sucky job of it, and vice versa19:07
crashanddiewhen really, the API sucks tremendously19:07
BallmarmanHope nokia gets serious about WP after the failed maemo experiment fiasco19:07
DocScrutinizerhe said it again - obviously Benghasi got taken over by drug addicts that seized the military's weapons19:08
crashanddieBallmarman, nice trolling :)19:08
trxhow can i find the height of a QScrollArea? (true height, not just the visible rect)19:08
MohammadAGWP fails19:08
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BallmarmanI am just extremely pissed at n900, i want to throw it against the wall19:09
crashanddiegood for you19:09
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Ballmarmani could not answer a simple phone call because of gibberish on the screen19:10
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MohammadAGGet an iPhone19:10
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MohammadAGit kills apps from memory when you get a phone call (or something "magical" that allows you to answer calls without issues)19:10
dschoepeWhen using power-saving mode for wifi my download speed drops from ~700KB/s to about 30KB/s, does this mean my router doesn't support it properly or is that kind of drop to be expected?19:11
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SpeedEvildschoepe: means it's broken19:11
crashanddieMohammadAG, type /kick Ballmarman GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL but don't hit enter until my command19:11
SpeedEvildschoepe: when there is traffic, it should turn off powersave mode19:11
DocScrutinizerBallmarman: we're not interested in "I'm pissed" stories that result in "let's all get WP"19:11
MohammadAGcrashanddie, do i have to?19:11
Skyscraperyeah MC on N900 via SSH rocks19:11
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, he's +q19:12
DocScrutinizerBallmarman: if you want to switch to WP, you're free to do so, but please take your reports about why you do elsewhere then19:12
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: aaah, good19:12
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crashanddieand he left :)19:12
dschoepeSpeedEvil: any idea about what could cause this?19:12
DocScrutinizeroh damn, not again this IP19:12
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crashanddiethis IP?19:12
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DocScrutinizerour beloved evergreen troll19:13
SpeedEvildschoepe: Incompatibilities in the powersave implementation between the n900 and your router. Some have had success by updating hte firmware on their router19:13
crashanddiegoing for a fag19:13
crashanddielater all19:13
dschoepeSpeedEvil: okay thanks, I'll give it a try19:13
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MohammadAG+q persist across parts/joins19:14
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MohammadAG* WProcks (~Ballmarma@ has joined #maemo19:15
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MohammadAGyou can stop cycling channels now19:16
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MohammadAG/ban Ballmarma*@*19:17
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, do it :P19:17
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pupniki should buy these n900s with the false picture and return an empty case to them19:17
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MohammadAGthat failed19:20
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, mind opping me?19:21
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DocScrutinizer[Bannliste: #maemo] *!*user@74.198.*.*  :-S19:21
DocScrutinizerthat's why I said "oh no not THIS IP again"19:22
MohammadAGthat's quite a broad range DocScrutinizer19:22
DocScrutinizerit's not my ban19:22
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MohammadAGit failed anyway19:22
crashanddienot mine either19:22
crashanddiewell, it failed due to user@19:22
MohammadAGlol fail ChanServ19:23
MohammadAG/cs deop #maemo MohammadAG  =19:23
MohammadAG-ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation.19:23
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javispedrohaving fun?19:23
DocScrutinizeryeah, extremely19:23
MohammadAGno, I want a pony!19:23
DocScrutinizerand not even paying for that incredible performance of clown Gaddafi19:24
MohammadAGI wonder when he'll realize he can just renew his IP19:24
MohammadAGprobably a long time19:24
DocScrutinizerI guess he's not even realizing how to change username19:25
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merlin1991I think he does19:25
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: yours? [Bannliste: #maemo] purgenote__*!*Alcohol_1@213.129.62.*19:26
merlin1991it's from you19:26
MohammadAGmerlin1991, nick =! username :p19:26
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: no, the purgenote is of me19:26
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MohammadAGtbh, i think bans should stay for a month max19:27
MohammadAGor a week19:27
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: that's yours:  ljsdofuynsdfufuh!*@*19:27
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: some should stay forever19:28
MohammadAGOMG bash4 in repos19:28
DocScrutinizerwith 'help'? :-D19:29
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: seriously, some fool decided to disable help builtin in bash319:29
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DocScrutinizeror maybe help got moved to external cmd and somebody missed to ship it with maemo pkg19:30
DocScrutinizeractually moving help to external cmd would make a lot of sense19:31
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Skyscraperhow to copy all in /home/user/ (including hidden dirs) to MyDocs without MyDocs itself... cp --exclude=MyDocs wont work19:42
timelessSkyscraper: try same-filesystem19:43
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MohammadAGSkyscraper, DocScrutinizer already told you to use -x19:43
timelessor use rsync (same constraint)19:43
timelessor tar19:43
Ljrn900Skyscraper, try with a trailing /19:43
Ljrn900uh yeah19:44
Ljrn900rsync is what i assumed19:44
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Skyscrapercp: invalid option -- x19:45
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crashanddieSkyscraper, cp -aR --exclude=MyDocs /home/user /home/user/MyDocs19:46
DocScrutinizerthere's even a gui for rsync19:46
crashanddiethere's even a manpage for cp!19:46
Skyscrapercp: unrecognized option `--exclude=MyDocs'19:47
MohammadAGbusybox cp is crap19:47
MohammadAGinstall coreutils-gnu19:47
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils19:47
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crashanddieSkyscraper, hax: touch /home/user/MyDocs/MyDocs; cp -aRn /home/user /home/user/MyDocs19:49
crashanddieand rmdir /home/user/MyDocs/MyDocs19:50
DocScrutinizermkdir ~user/MyDocs/fake-home; mount --bind /home ~user/MyDocs/fake-home19:50
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crashanddie"The more, the merrier is certainly true for Ziona Chana, a 66-year-old man in India's remote northeast who has 39 wives, 94 children and 33 grandchildren -- and wouldn't mind having more."19:51
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DocScrutinizererr dunno, maybe fails cause of VFAT fs19:51
crashanddie"His wives share a dormitory near Ziona's private bedroom and locals said he likes to have seven or eight of them by his side at all times."19:51
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DocScrutinizeronly 33 grandchildren? what's up with those indians?19:52
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crashanddieI'm out19:52
crashanddielater all19:52
DocScrutinizerSkyscraper: you're aware MyDocs will get erased when flashing VANILLA19:53
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Skyscrapercp: cannot preserve ownership of '': Operation not permitted19:53
SkyscraperDocScrutinizer, i know but i have to copy all of /home/user to mydocs to copy to pc19:53
DocScrutinizerSkyscraper: VFAT doesn't support posix perms19:53
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# mkdir ~user/MyDocs/fake-home; mount --bind /home ~user/MyDocs/fake-home19:55
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ls ~user/MyDocs/fake-home19:55
DocScrutinizerlost+found  opt  user19:55
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Skyscraper mkdir ~user/MyDocs/fake-home; mount --bind /home ~user/MyDocs/fake-home; tar -cvf /home/user/MyDocs/home.tar /home/user/MyDocs/fake-home/19:57
DocScrutinizerand no, it won't do recursive dumps of MyDocs, as bindmount isn't including mounts19:57
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Skyscraperit works i think^19:58
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ls -a ~user/MyDocs/fake-home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/19:58
DocScrutinizer.  ..19:58
DocScrutinizerwhile IroN900:~# ls -a ~user/MyDocs/DCIM/ lists some 100s of files19:59
Skyscraper-rw-r--r--    1 user     root       497.0M Feb 22 18:59 home.tar19:59
Skyscraper <- looks good19:59
DocScrutinizeryeah, best19:59
DocScrutinizeras my suggested bindmount won't help for mass storage copy20:00
Arkenoiomfg, m2351 for sale in local community20:00
Arkenoim2351a even20:00
DocScrutinizerwtf is that?20:00
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Skyscraperso i would copy the home.tar and the new backup15 from MyDocs to pc and then charge battery to 100$%20:01
Arkenoi471Mb 10" disk dirve, circa 1981, extreme hitech for that time20:01
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DocScrutinizer10" ???20:01
Arkenoihard disk20:01
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Arkenoiwell, it is just 2" bigger than 8" floppy :-)20:01
DocScrutinizeryeah, I know those20:02
DocScrutinizerand I also know the mountable diskstacks we called "topf" here (pot)20:02
DocScrutinizerthe drive was size of a fridge20:03
DocScrutinizeror washing maschine20:03
JartzaI have one still :)20:03
DocScrutinizerthey had 10MB iirc20:03
Jartzafrom Digital vax20:03
Arkenoihaving half a gigabyte on your dest was almost beyond imagination in that time, most "washing machine" size disk drives were 200Mb and there even was a lot of legacy 21Mb ones20:03
infobotArkenoi meant: having half a gigabyte on your desk was almost beyond imagination in that time, most "washing machine" size disk drives were 200Mb and there even was a lot of legacy 21Mb ones20:03
Arkenoiso even 200Mb were considered cool and new20:04
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DocScrutinizerwe had 6 disks with 50MB in our mainfraime20:09
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DocScrutinizerhi EsEhAr20:10
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DocScrutinizer>>hard disk platter drive PS 048-B (250 MB MFM/12 platters, 1200 kB/s, 2000 Watts)<<20:25
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Skyscrapernow all backed up :D20:31
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Skyscraperis 53% bat power enough for flashing vanilla emmc and fiasco?20:31
DocScrutinizerdefinitely you want to charge completely20:32
DocScrutinizerif you screw up and battery gets empty, you're deadlocked20:32
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Skyscraperwhy? cant i reboot into flashing mode again?20:33
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DocScrutinizerflashing will fail when bat is low20:34
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raph0x88Hello guys... quick question, there is no GCC at maemo repositories?20:34
DocScrutinizerbat will not charge when system doesn't boot20:34
DocScrutinizersystem can't boot when flashing fails20:34
DocScrutinizergoto: start20:35
lcukraph0x88, not on the default user repositories, but gcc is an integral part of maemo
lcukwhen in doubt about any package, use the packages interface here:
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DocScrutinizergcc should live in tools repo I guess20:37
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raph0x88thx lcuk20:41
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DocScrutinizerhow to list the files contained in a package? like apt-cache listfiles foobar20:45
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DocScrutinizersome apt-get cmd?20:46
inzInstalled, local or remote package?20:46
mikhasdpkg -L package-name20:46
mikhasfor installed ones20:46
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inzAnd dpkg-deb -c for local files20:46
inzAnd if supported: apt-file list <pkg>20:47
mikhasapt-file is a great tool20:47
Skyscraperwhat is apt-file?20:50
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inzIt's like dpkg -l and dpkg -S for repositories20:51
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piggzpls feel free to purchase my Urban Dictionary app from ovi store ;)20:53
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DocScrutinizermhm, apt-get install apt-file :-)21:20
DocScrutinizerThe following packages have unmet dependencies:21:21
DocScrutinizer  apt-file: Depends: gzip (>= 1.2.4)21:21
DocScrutinizer            Depends: libconfig-file-perl but it is not installable21:21
DocScrutinizer            Depends: libapt-pkg-perl but it is not installable21:21
DocScrutinizerE: Broken packages21:21
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Skyscraperis 86% enough for flashing?21:47
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MohammadAGuh, N950 announced? or did I misunderstand a thread21:48
togglesi preordered mine21:49
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togglesthere is a link next to the unicorn21:51
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hajuhm ..21:53
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togglesMohammadAG: first couple of minutes
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MohammadAGtoggles, any specs in there?21:55
togglesnope, just babble21:55
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togglesbut he does say n950 the n900 successor21:55
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pupnik_a n900-like device would be very motivational21:56
ds3does it run maemo and does it have a compass? :D21:56
pupnik_what 4 compas21:56
pupnik_better gps?21:56
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togglesthis makes 5 right.. so they complete Ari's 5 step plan21:58
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MohammadAGI'm actually impressed they didn't _FULLY_ fuck up21:58
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togglesyeah, they completed the 5 steps21:59
MohammadAGlooking forward to it, whatever it is, it'll be better than Android or iOS (or WP7 /me shivers)21:59
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togglesAnssi's plan i guess..22:00
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hajit better have more RAM.. :) and a hardware keyboard22:01
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DocScrutinizer-8wow, diablo has so many nice details. PC-connectivity-manager for example, unparalleled on fremantle22:06
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer-8, btw, the mediaplayer is 90% keyboard usable22:08
MohammadAG10% is the main menu, you can't see buttons highlighted but selecting them works22:09
DocScrutinizer-8connect to internet via [wlan, usb, phone]. Share internet to: ( )USB, ( )BT, ( )WLAN22:09
DocScrutinizer-8MohammadAG: sounds just nice, worth to give it a try (me fetches sunglasses to not hurt eyes with crippled cover art)22:10
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MohammadAGcover art is barely noticeable DocScrutinizer-822:14
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divanis there any iotop-like tool on Maemo?22:17
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: what's that?22:20
MohammadAGthe mediaplayer binary22:21
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: clicking the link in xchat opens a requester "store file?"22:21
MohammadAG(I know about the duplicate items bug, need to delete the items when switching views and can't figure out how)22:22
MohammadAGyou'll only notice it if you switch to a view twice22:22
DocScrutinizer51so let's see if that 'tmp' dir it offered to store the file to is really MyDocs/tmp and if I can start a binary from there22:23
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ZuccaHm. I got a wild idea. Is it possible to use N900 as Bluetooth receiver for headphones?22:27
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E0xZucca: input audio to the n900 and output it using some bluetooth headphone ?22:28
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: ./mediaplayer: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory22:31
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MohammadAGuh, sec22:35
MohammadAGapt-get install libgq-gconf022:37
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DocScrutinizer51moot doubts :)22:38
ZuccaE0x: Not what I meant... N900 as BT receiver and regular headphones plugged into N900.22:39
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: quite nice, alas it seems it's not supporting searching in long lists22:41
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Mouseyoh noes!22:42
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, sadly I have to reimplement that, the Qt widgets don't provide it :/22:43
MohammadAG(only the gtk hildon ones do)22:43
DocScrutinizer-8qt feels like a regression to me, in quite a number of aspects22:45
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer-8, check out scrolling in the video window, now do you think it's a regression? :P22:48
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DocScrutinizeryes, definitely. Without checking any scrolling. You can't compensate missing water to drink by providing peanuts22:50
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lcukMohammadAG, vid22:52
MohammadAGlcuk, don't have one atm22:52
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MohammadAGlcuk, not sure I can provide one even, thumbnails of people who don't want to be on youtube :p22:53
MohammadAGs/don't want to/prefer not to22:53
DocScrutinizer51hell what's that? no idea how to find any video by looking at snapshots thumbnails22:54
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malte_so.. n900 fully loaded... 100% - now flashing vanilla emmc and then fiasco22:55
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malte_DocScrutinizer, why i have BackupMenu in my n900 after flashing vanilla and fiasco?23:01
malte_thought it should be removed?23:02
malte_and why its not gone?23:03
malte_vanilla flash quits with: Image(s) flashed successfully in 33.751 s (7583 kB/s)!23:04
malte_fiasco flash quits with: USB device found found at bus 001, device address 012.23:04
malte_Raw data transfer EP found at EP2.23:04
malte_Using flashing protocol Mk II.23:04
MohammadAGdid it actually flash or just exit?23:04
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malte_after that message it exited23:05
DocScrutinizer-8it doesn't work23:05
MohammadAGdoes anyone know how to get a QTextBrowser to look like a HildonTextView?23:05
MohammadAGffs freenode fix your shit23:05
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malte_so again im flashing vanilla23:06
DocScrutinizer-8you need  to power down and unplug device, start flasher, then plug in23:06
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malte_its writing23:06
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malte_ah ok in wiki : you can flash fiasco DIRECTLY after vanilla23:06
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malte_ow flash the FIASCO/rootfs image using the above commands  with -R parameter. You can do this either directly after the previous flasher command finished, without unplugging or powering down the N900 - or, if you don't get proper message "Image(s) flashed successfully in 27.821 s (9199 kB/s)!" after flashing the rootfs finished, please refer to bullet "If you cannot establish a connection with N900..." in troubleshooting section belo23:07
MohammadAGmalte_, try flashing fiasco then vanilla23:07
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malte_how to power down it after flashing vanilla?23:08
DocScrutinizer-8why the fuck should he?23:08
malte_wont power down23:08
DocScrutinizer-8remove byt23:08
malte_ah ok now hes flashing23:08
malte_sending and flashing rootfs23:09
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer-8, we've had this discussion before, I don't plan on doing it again23:09
MohammadAGflashing vanilla then fiasco always fails23:09
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malte_no... have to remove bat between!23:09
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DocScrutinizer-8yes, it always fails if you don't shut down device23:09
MohammadAGnot when you do fiasco then eMMC23:09
malte_at the moment its "programming CMT"?23:10
MohammadAGyes, don't remove the battery afterwards23:10
MohammadAGthat's the modem btw23:10
MohammadAGjust run the eMMC command after it's done23:10
malte_Finishing flashing... done23:10
malte_CMT flashed successfully23:10
malte_and now?23:10
jacekowskihave you heard about n95023:10
MohammadAGeMMC command23:10
MohammadAGyes, tmo's filled with posts about it jacekowski23:10
malte_I've remove the -R command :/23:10
MohammadAGdon't use it23:10
MohammadAGdon't use -R23:10
malte_why? i flashed vanilla before?23:11
MohammadAGyou flashed fiasco23:11
MohammadAGnow do the vanilla23:11
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malte_why? ive done it before?!23:11
MohammadAGdo it again23:11
malte_DocScrutinizer, should i do that?!?23:11
* MohammadAG sighs23:11
E0xis not a manual for flash23:11
E0xwhy not follow it ?23:11
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E0xit work for me...23:11
MohammadAGcause the wiki needs to be rewritten23:12
malte_dont know what to do ;/23:12
MohammadAGflash the damn vanilla image again23:12
malte_Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N90023:12
malte_NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes.23:12
MohammadAGthat's wrong23:13
DocScrutinizerwhat the F???? malte_ has successfully flashed eMMC already. Now he removes battery, and then flashes rootfs. No problem23:13
MohammadAGif you don't want to listen, fine23:13
VenemoMohammadAG: what do I need to do to a theme to make it the current? I recall some symlinking, but I don't remember the details23:13
MohammadAGmer did something like that23:13
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MohammadAGRC_REFRESH I think23:13
* MohammadAG forgot :/23:14
DocScrutinizermalte_: you're done, after [2011-02-22 22:10:25] <malte_> CMT flashed successfully23:15
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DocScrutinizerreboot device - profit23:15
MohammadAGI still think eMMC then fiasco is wrong23:15
MohammadAGand is wrong23:15
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VenemoMohammadAG: if you don't reboot inbetween, then the sequence doesn't matter23:15
jacekowskican n900 recieve rds?23:15
E0xVenemo: exactly\23:15
MohammadAGyes jacekowski23:16
MohammadAGit does matter23:16
MohammadAGYou can't flash FIASCO after vanilla23:16
MohammadAGnot sure, some radio apps support it23:16
NeccRDS decoding doesn requires something extra hardware?23:16
MohammadAGask javispedro when he's on23:16
jacekowskido you have name23:16
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malte_N900 CAN receive RDS!23:16
jacekowskiNecc: not really23:16
Neccah, rds... ok i was confused23:17
MohammadAGVenemo, flashing the eMMC puts the device in MkII mode23:17
MohammadAGwhatever that means23:17
MohammadAGflashing the fiasco image is not supported in that mode23:17
Neccswapped RDS with TMC23:17
MohammadAGso you HAVE TO reboot23:17
malte_thank you very much DocScrutinizer - it WORKED23:17
MohammadAGunfortunately, every time I change that, DocScrutinizer changes it back, so I can't be arsed anymore23:17
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: because you're stating that flashing vanilla first doesn't work. Evidently it just worked for malte_23:18
jacekowskiNecc: rds == tmc23:18
jacekowskiNecc: it's same stuff23:18
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it works, but you have to reboot in between or pop out the battery23:19
MohammadAGwhich is adding extra confusion, as proved by malte_23:19
malte_DocScrutinizer, i only removed usb cable and then booted the phone... worked great :)23:19
DocScrutinizerI admit I wasn't clear enough about you *always* need to remove battery to power down device, after flashing vanilla first23:19
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MohammadAGyes, that's an extra unnecessary step23:19
MohammadAGflash fiasco, then eMMC, and you're fine, no need to power down or remove the battery23:19
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: reboot won't happen here, and isn't needed23:19
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it will if you're not quick enough or using windows23:20
malte_yeah is my n900 fast :D23:20
NeccRDS used to send informations about the radio station itself (name, played music, etc) while TMC is a special code witch carries traffic information and typically used by terrestial navigation systems23:20
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: yes, that will work as well, but only if you NEVER EVER reboot23:20
jacekowskiNecc: yes23:20
jacekowskiNecc: and no23:20
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malte_oh YEAH23:20
DocScrutinizerwhile vanilla first is immune against false handling23:20
* malte_ is very very happy23:20
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, windows can't enumerate quickly, some users will reboot accidentally23:20
malte_sms works again :)23:20
jacekowskiNecc: tmc is working on top of rds23:21
jacekowskiNecc: instead of sending letters it's sending numbers23:21
jacekowskijavispedro: hi23:21
jacekowskijavispedro: cfmradio23:21
jacekowskijavispedro: how do i get rds to work on t23:21
MohammadAGjavispedro, <jacekowski> can n900 recieve rds?23:21
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that doesn't matter, when flashing vanilla first23:21
MohammadAGoh and afternoon23:21
javispedrojacekowski: _receive_? which field?23:21
DocScrutinizerthat'S the point you still miss to get23:21
malte_yeaaaah... i'm so happy...23:21
jacekowskijavispedro: any23:21
MohammadAGI'm not missing anything23:21
Neccwhatever, i'm brainlocked now (tired), night23:22
jacekowskijavispedro: ideally i would like to recieve tmc23:22
Neccthx the.. infos23:22
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jacekowskibut i can deal with that later23:22
javispedrojacekowski: afaik, the stock driver isn't enough for tmc23:22
MohammadAGanyway, back to some other stuff23:22
javispedrojacekowski: but there's a modified module around23:22
jacekowskii just want to know if there is rds transmitted at the moment23:22
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javispedrojacekowski: you can read partially decodified pi, ps and rt at /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0022/rds_*23:24
javispedrothat's how all current N900 programs read ps23:24
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javispedropi = program identification ;)23:25
jacekowskii have r3 rds23:26
jacekowskiNokia-N900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0022# cat rds_data23:26
jacekowski2c a4 cd 34 33 20 c c2 f 10 e0 ff 24 0 57 30 c9 11 4 c2 3 14 0 fc 20 e6 2c 3c e0 43 0 c2 3 14 20 f6 2c f4 65 38 20 61 8 c7 2 18 e6 fc 28 3 e5 34 c9 11 4 c2 3 14 60 c9 20 1c 30 3c 73 c3 8 c3 81 1c f8 f7 4c f9 81 38 44 db 4 e9 b6 18 33 e8 24 5c 8e 3c b1 4b 4 26 d 18 33 80 2c 1b b7 3c aa 3c c 38 3e 18 a 9f 4c fa 12 38 49 1c 8 11 9a 1c 7 fc 2c 23 f1 3c 99 3523:26
javispedros/decodified/decoded :P23:26
jacekowskiand i suppose that's raw data23:26
jacekowskiwith everything23:26
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: there are two perfectly working methods: A) flash eMMC, remove battery, (boot or do whatever you like, won't matter) flash rootfs, ->done.  B) flash rootfs &&flash eMMC, in one commandline, without any interrupting or fuzzing around with "oops wrong file" "oops, timeout" "ooops need to download that other image first"23:27
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DocScrutinizerodds are users end up with accidentally booting device between first and second flash, in method B)23:28
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malte_DocScrutinizer, version A) is easier23:29
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: with method A) there's no way to fail, but of course it's a bit more effort aka more steps to do23:29
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malte_but you should edit wiki ... you HAVE TO remove batt between vanilla and fiasco23:30
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DocScrutinizeryes, I agree on thet23:30
malte_point 10 on flashing emmc23:30
DocScrutinizerwiki should mention both methods, clearly and with all required mandatory steps, and risks23:31
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malte_thats the best way.. so both of you are happy ;)23:31
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I admit I wasn't aware of that bug in NOLO that borks direct flashing of rootfs after eMMC, when I started that crusade23:32
jacekowskiyou don't have to remove battery23:33
jacekowskiyou can just flash everything23:33
MohammadAGyou can't23:33
jacekowskias long as you don't restart23:33
malte_jacekowski, that WONT work23:33
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MohammadAGeMMC flashing makes the flasher set MkII mode23:33
malte_jacekowski, tested it just 10 minutes ago ;)23:33
MohammadAG(whatever that means)23:33
DocScrutinizermalte_: of course both methods are similarly valid and working. It's just about optimizing. A) (my method) is optimized for minimum risk, B) (moh's) is optimal for convenience and speed23:34
dschoepeIs it normal that decompressing an easydebian-image takes over an hour and that lzma doesn't even show up under "Top CPU%" in conky or did it die somewhere along the way?23:34
jacekowskidschoepe: yes23:34
jacekowskidschoepe: it takes about 2h23:34
malte_DocScrutinizer, i want minimum risk^23:34
dschoepejacekowski: okay, I'll be patient then23:34
jacekowskidschoepe: it's i/o bound23:34
malte_nox-, moin23:34
malte_dschoepe, ive done it overnight ,)23:34
nox-moin malte_23:34
DocScrutinizermalte_: you're welcome to edit wiki, so both MohammadAG and me are happy :-D23:35
malte_nox-, german?!?23:35
nox-malte_, indeed :)23:35
malte_DocScrutinizer, i think i dont have the best english ;)23:35
* dschoepe really enjoys his new n900 especially when compared to the ocean of disappointments that is android23:35
malte_maybe i'll try DocScrutinizer23:35
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malte_nox-, me too... i think "moin" is german ;)23:36
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keriodschoepe: fuck yeah23:38
haltdefwoa, portrait23:38
haltdefnice :P23:38
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DocScrutinizerdschoepe: you might profit from setting swappiness to 3023:38
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: maybe you know if it's suffering from swap congestion23:39
malte_yeaaah its from Bremen, too :)23:39
DocScrutinizermoinmoin is platduetsch I'd say23:40
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DocScrutinizeror Northern slang23:40
javispedrojacekowski: yes, that is the raw _device_ data. I am not sure if it is raw enough for tmc to happen.23:40
malte_DocScrutinizer, northern slang fits better23:40
javispedrojacekowski: it is obviously enough for text, etc.23:40
malte_DocScrutinizer, plattdeutsch is a very "own" dialect ;)23:42
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zakkkmRunning N900 Maemo 5 .. I dont seem to have a battery status on my status bar, anyone know why?23:43
zakkkmrecently flashed23:43
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG should know23:44
dschoepekerio: Let's just hope this community survives the elopocalypse, but I'm confident from what I've seen so far23:44
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zakkkmeverything else is perfectl, except the icon just not there23:44
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malte_ahh now i have the old batterybar again... think i should reinstall Advanced Power23:45
malte_DocScrutinizer, is it possible to perform an fsck sometimes on bootup?23:48
DocScrutinizerdschoepe: this community gives a shit about Mr Flop23:50
MohammadAGhmm, that's weird23:50
MohammadAGif you tap the status menu do you get a battery area?23:50
DocScrutinizerit's a pity though we can't expect any new maemo devices from Nokia anytime soon23:50
zakkkmMust say , Maemo 5 is a big improvement over 4 :)23:50
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DocScrutinizernot always23:50
DocScrutinizersome details in m5 are regressions from m423:50
zakkkmI guess Mer is gone now eh?23:50
zakkkmHavent been here in about a year and a half..23:50
DocScrutinizermer is dead23:50
zakkkmgot ridof my N800 year or two ago, just recently got the N90023:50
DocScrutinizerstskeeps went on to meego23:50
zakkkmstskeeps still around?23:50
* MohammadAG wants mer back :/23:50
MohammadAGyeah, #meego23:50
zakkkmhows that gentoo doing? :)23:50
DocScrutinizerzakkkm: sure, in #meego-arm23:50
MohammadAGwhat's #meego-arm?23:50
piggz_MohammadAG: the new hildon-desktop is great btw23:50
DocScrutinizerthe N900 adaption taskforce of meego23:50
jacekowskijavispedro: do you have links to that modified driver that can do tmc23:50
MohammadAGthank thp, his patches are awesome23:50
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javispedroyeah, a moment.23:50
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MohammadAGthe CSSU should've been out with PR1.0 tbh :p23:50
MohammadAGit really exposes the potential of the community23:50
piggz_thp: thx too23:50
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Sc0rpiusholy sh!t23:50
piggz_hmm, nice split23:50
keriowelcome to freenode23:50
wmaronegood  'ol freenode23:50
MohammadAGwhere netsplits are very common, we stopped holy shit-ting23:50
Sc0rpiusit's sad23:50
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Sc0rpiusnetsplits are so 90s23:50
nox-stupid kids23:50
nox-(i guess)23:50
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DocScrutinizer[2011-02-22 22:08:11] [Notice] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi everyone! Just a bit of re-routing there which will hopefully reduce lag in parts of the network and make the layout a bit more sane. Sorry for the noise! Join #freenode with any questions.23:50
nox-oh ok not even kids23:50
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MohammadAGkernel-power allows you to fsck on boot up, though it ruined my /home once23:50
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malte_whats the standard phone lock code?23:50
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zakkkm_Hi sorry, n900 turned off23:51
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zakkkkmis meego worth trying?23:51
DocScrutinizererrr how does PK do this?23:51
ThreeMhi there23:51
MohammadAGsome config file23:51
* MohammadAG checks23:51
malte_MohammadAG, have had kernel power before...maybe it distroyed my /home?23:51
zakkkkmyou guys know why i have no battery icon?23:52
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ThreeMis it possible to use community ssu with powerkernel? i guess so but i want confirm23:52
MohammadAG# fsck of /home partition before mounting?23:52
MohammadAG# 0=never, 1=if necessary, force=always check23:52
malte_oh yeah... how does the phone do that? all reflashed but phonelock is the old one23:52
MohammadAGalso allows early ssh, whatever that means23:52
DocScrutinizermalte_: the easiest method I know of is backupmenu pkg23:52
DocScrutinizera child of botmenu23:52
DocScrutinizerbootmenu even23:52
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DocScrutinizermalte_: phonelock is stored in CAL partition, that never gets reflashed23:53
malte_DocScrutinizer, what other things are stored in CAL?23:53
MohammadAGThreeM, yes, kernel isn't touched by the CSSU23:53
DocScrutinizera lot of cruft23:53
MohammadAGbme stuff23:54
MohammadAGwhat DocScrutinizer said23:54
DocScrutinizerthermal profile23:54
MohammadAGa history of all reflashes23:54
MohammadAGyes, think so23:54
SpeedEvilThe modem reads it?23:54
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MohammadAGhmm, CMDLINE?23:54
MohammadAGthat's in the kernel partition23:54
malte_and maybe information about using custom kernels, OS' or stl.?23:54
MohammadAGsure of it :p23:54
MohammadAGall reflashes are logged23:55
malte_is it not possible to remove that?23:55
DocScrutinizernot advisable23:55
MohammadAGyou might end up with a brick23:55
MohammadAGa permanent one, not the fixable "bricks"23:55
malte_so when you only one time flash your n900 with another firmware -> warranty void... (because they can see it even if you reflash)23:56
DocScrutinizernot really23:56
MohammadAGwarranty isn't void with reflashes23:56
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malte_cant they see which kernel you flashed?23:56
MohammadAGhowever, if you fried the CPU, they can check if you have, for example, install kernel-power23:56
MohammadAGcustom kernels don't void warranty23:56
MohammadAGoverclocking does23:57
SpeedEvilI've run kernel power with no overclocking.23:57
ThreeMbig thx :)23:57
malte_but power-kernel without overclocking ?23:57
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you won't fry your CPU ;-)23:57
MohammadAGno worries there23:57
DocScrutinizermalte_: safe23:57
malte_thats good :)23:57
zakkkkm_you guys overclock?23:58
MohammadAGI wonder if the N950 will do the same23:58
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MohammadAG(signed kernels not required)23:58
DocScrutinizersome fools do - and very few experts that exactly know what they do23:58
MohammadAGlike abill_uk23:58
DocScrutinizeryeah, he always knows what he's doing23:58
DocScrutinizerand *saying*23:59
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zakkkkm_community ssu simple to install?23:59
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