| DocScrutinizer | but does it blend? | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err | 00:00 |
| zakkkkm_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation still up to date? | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | does it have a detaled changelog? | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | brief but comprehensive | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there might be "bugs" I don't want to get fixed | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog | 00:02 |
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| MohammadAG | yes | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 00:03 |
| zakkkkm_ | "This will then automatically run through a series of scripts to ensure HAM will now be using community repository for updates." where are those scripts located? | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/bin/install-community-ssu | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | basically, what the icon runs | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | it just checks if apt-worker is running | 00:04 |
| zakkkkm_ | ... phone internet acting oddly | 00:04 |
| zakkkkm_ | tethering fine .. but internet on phone seems dead | 00:04 |
| zakkkkm_ | ah | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | basically, the script installs a dumb package, udpates package lists, then launches HAM in update mode | 00:05 |
| zakkkkm_ | phone seems to taking alot of RAM and such, was looking to try and decrease it | 00:05 |
| zakkkkm_ | too much swapping | 00:05 |
| malte_ | how to setup hidden wlan with n900? | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | Status menu -> internet connection -> Hidden WLAN | 00:05 |
| malte_ | its not listed | 00:05 |
| malte_ | yeah now | 00:06 |
| malte_ | have to wait some time | 00:06 |
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| malte_ | is n900 comatible with radius server? | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | malte_: hidden SSID is strongly deprecated | 00:10 |
| malte_ | DocScrutinizer, whyß | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | has security/privacy issues (yes!), plus may cause battery hog on N900 | 00:10 |
| malte_ | hidden SSID prevents kiddies from "hacking" | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | bottom line: N900 has to ask all APs with hidden SSID "are you 'foo'?" "are you 'bar'?" | 00:11 |
| RST38h | does not afaik | 00:11 |
| malte_ | DocScrutinizer, heres only one hidden AP | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter | 00:12 |
| malte_ | hm | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's nonsense, and deprecated | 00:12 |
| malte_ | hm.. but wpa2 is not soooo save? :/ | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | wpa2 is just as safe as it gets, for now | 00:13 |
| malte_ | with good pc with good graphic card and an "idiot"-key - better an "standard" ssid you can hack it | 00:13 |
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| Corsac | no | 00:14 |
| dschoepe | malte_: Not effectively | 00:14 |
| dschoepe | afaik, wpa2 is still perfectly safe/not broken | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | dict attack is always possible | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | get decent passphrase! | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 00:14 |
| malte_ | dschoepe, hm... i7 quad core with CUDA graphic card... is very fast | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway not even hidden SSID will help against dict attack | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | au contraire | 00:15 |
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| Kegetys | if someone is going to crack wpa2 to get to your wlan, a "hidden" ssid is not going to stop them. Probably more just an invite to do it when they see you're trying to hide something :) | 00:15 |
| malte_ | hm | 00:15 |
| malte_ | can i use n900 with radius server? | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus your device it shouting out loud all the APs you ever associated to, which had hidden SSID X-P | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | incl their "hidden" SSIDs | 00:16 |
| malte_ | DocScrutinizer, i think that all devices do that? when you monitor wlan with airmon you see the client probes for a,b,c,d,.... | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/ all / *all* / | 00:16 |
| zakkkkm_ | all you people are foolish.. just make a set of like 100 fake AP with the same name as yours :P , they wouldnt ever try it :P | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, that's inevitable with hidden SSID, that'S why it's strongly deprecated. It has security/privacy issues | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | didn't I mention that? | 00:17 |
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| malte_ | DocScrutinizer, but all devices are probing the NOT hidden ssids, too?! | 00:18 |
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| Kegetys | they dont need to be probed when they are broadcasted by the ap | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, usually not | 00:18 |
| malte_ | hm... but when i monitor i see clients probing APs that are visible | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | why should a device ask "are you foo?" when the AP clearly says it's 'bar' | 00:19 |
| malte_ | its a windows "bug" i think | 00:19 |
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| malte_ | so... do you know the "karma attack"? | 00:19 |
| Kegetys | afaik. the ssid is only really hidden when nothing is connected to the ap, if something is connected then you can see the ssid from the packets. So it works, but only if you dont use your wlan :P | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: exactly | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | as the clients talk to hidden AP with clear name, uncrypted | 00:20 |
| malte_ | Kegetys, yes but when i'm away for weeks i can be sure no one uses my wlan | 00:20 |
| malte_ | DocScrutinizer, thats a problem... should be optimized... should ask crypted for aps | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | bottom line: *forget* hidden SSID, it's nonsense, and dangerous | 00:21 |
| malte_ | DocScrutinizer, do you know the "karma attack"? | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | malte_: that's nonsense | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how would you crypt an initial ping? | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hidden SSID has ZERO bebefit and quite some downsides / risks, so *forget* it | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no | 00:23 |
| malte_ | DocScrutinizer, i think it would be possible... | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | benefit* | 00:23 |
| malte_ | DocScrutinizer, karma attack uses the windows "bug" to ask for APs... | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | malte_: I use hidden SSID to invite my neighbours to associate to my AP :-P | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | thank you very much for all the data | 00:24 |
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| malte_ | creates an virtual ap with the ssid the (unconnected) windows client asks for... - so that the windows client connects to the virtual ap... and then you can hack the windows client directly... without beeing in an normal network | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's exactly why hidden ESSID is bad :-D | 00:26 |
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| zakkkkm_ | How good is nitdroid? | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | S/ E// | 00:26 |
| Megaltariak | But this would works only for unencrypted AP right ? | 00:26 |
| malte_ | DocScrutinizer, windows probes ALWAYS for some ap | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what, I'm not interested in windows | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I got no AP with hidden SSID | 00:27 |
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| malte_ | Megaltariak, the attack creates an unencrypted AP so that the windows client connects to it without asking the windows user for a key... so you create connection with it... and the user doesnt see it in most cases | 00:28 |
| Megaltariak | Why this would works with hidden ap and not with visible ones ? | 00:30 |
| malte_ | it works with every windows client... hum... dont know if it works too with windows 7 | 00:30 |
| Megaltariak | So if windows see an ap with no encryption and known essid, it would connect to it even if a key is saved for this essid ? | 00:32 |
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| malte_ | hm... dont know it sure... google for the "karma attack"... i have only seen it demonstrated by an IT security specialist... - he works for big concerns to hack them :D | 00:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | I love the fake real certificates attack. | 00:35 |
| nox- | malte_, what about ssid with a series of \0 chars, i guess thats also some exploit? | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | There are ~200 certificates trusted by most browsers. | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | These include - for example - the latvian government. | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: mediaplayer doesn't play songs | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't know name | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | umm, it should | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | The latvian government can therefore generate a certificate for paypal.com that will be completely trusted by all browsers. | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Even outside latvia. | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | (country picked at random) | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: atrist, click one artist, unknow song, unknown length, no playback | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | artist view is not done yet | 00:38 |
| nox- | SpeedEvil, yeah ssl isnt really `secure'... | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | use album view or song view | 00:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 00:38 |
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| MohammadAG | feel free to help, mafw is not that easy to work with :P | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I got some 1000 albums | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and no search | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | technically, pressing the key on the keyboard should scroll to it | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | unusable | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it doesn't | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | it does here... | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you told me qt doesn't support it, ( ago | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 1h | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't support search | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | i.e a search box | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | but clicking a button scrolls to that letter | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pff I shall know exact name of album? then pick from 100 with same starting letter? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, nice but not yet usable | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (yes it does jump, in album view) | 00:42 |
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| malte_ | its late... have to go to sleep now... @ SpeedEvil : sounds interesting | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: playlist doesn't show when clicking cover art in player | 00:46 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, duh, no MafwPlaylist | 00:47 |
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| malte_ | good night | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | going back to prev window is missing the bottom right button to go to player | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | it shows up in root window, but tehn of course my selected album is unset | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | malte_: night | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | malte_: search defcon on youtube. | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I especially liked the one about remote jackpotting cash machines. | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cover art is actually nice | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no distrotions :-D | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and ctrl-BS brings me a menu, rather than taslswitcher :-D | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, need to change that to shift | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | it's actually just ctrl | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, click the backspace button alone | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err to do what? | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | it closes the window | 00:59 |
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| MohammadAG | basically, it's a clone of the <- button in the top corner | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | I'm trying to make it keyboard friendly | 00:59 |
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| trx | any idea on how may i "disable" Alt+Sym dialog for a certain control (or maybe the whole app)? | 01:05 |
| trx | (using Qt btw) | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | MohammadAG: I want ctrl-bs taskswitcher, not 'alt-F4' close window | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | heh, I need to change ctrl to shift | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, got too much stuff on my hands | 01:12 |
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| MohammadAG | see about -> build date | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | bs for close-window is fine, but... | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | oh, so I got you wrong | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | I wanted to open the top menu with a key | 01:13 |
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| MohammadAG | so I used ctrl, overlooked the fact it can be used for CTRL-BS | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | got it | 01:14 |
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| MohammadAG | I want keyboard scrolling list widgets in hildon | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | should be easy with libhildon1 edited | 01:14 |
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| Arkenoi | Why isn't portrait mode screen keyboard in community SSU? | 01:15 |
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| MohammadAG | cause it can be installed via devel | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | because there's none yet | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ? | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | there is one | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | forcing rotation also forces the keyboard to portrait | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | meh | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | couldn't bother less | 01:17 |
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| Arkenoi | MohammadAG, the one included with forced rotation daemon? I'd like it to be separated, because rotation daemon is causing some applications to crash | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | portrait kbd is a PITA | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | Arkenoi, uh, no, the patch in the CSSU | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | it forces a portrait flag on all windows if you enable it | 01:18 |
| mikhas | does the HW keyboard rotate, too? | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | by thp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtD926wNcYs | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | no, your hands rotate | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | we got any concept how to stop portrait mode autoswitching? | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 01:19 |
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| MohammadAG | concept - yes | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | implementation, not yet | 01:20 |
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| MohammadAG | basically, status menu + patched hildon-desktop + gconf | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | we need a per-app config option | 01:20 |
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| MohammadAG | if it's in the status menu, it's easily accessible :P | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | one app might be nice in portrait, while another one crashes | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, whitelist | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yes | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | thp, suggested we make one for stock apps that are closed, the rest are all rotated depending on a portrait flag | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | so I see we actually have a concept ;-D | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | (the ones that are open) | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | I thought you meant orientation lock | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | like when you're in bed, and you're on the N900, if you're on the right side, it can rotate to portrait while you want it in landscape | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | sure we need a master switch to override | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | 3 positions | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | portrait ls auto | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | 0 1 2 in gconf | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | 0 = default (auto), 1 = ls, 2 = portrait | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | it's an interesting question which one overrides the other, of whitelist and masterswitch | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | handled by a status bar applet like the 3G applet | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | master switch overrides all | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | each app needs ask-portr ask-ls auto force-ls force-portr | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | I dont believe I say this, but probably gconf is the right thing to keep the per-app settings | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | so no whitelist | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | well, it's only for closed apps | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | open apps should use the flag | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | but you can edit gconf to hold any of those 5 states via gconftool for the apps that donn't have a menu for it | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | the 'flag' is just that those apps know to gconf | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | don't introduce to segregate concepts for the same thing | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | two* | 01:32 |
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| javispedro | omg DocScrutinizer-8 must be the evil twin of DocScrutinizer, seeing he just recommended use of gconf | 01:41 |
| ptl | no, DocScrutinizer-8 is the 8-bit version of DocScrutinizer | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | OSI layer 8 | 01:43 |
| javispedro | any guess-estimates at the download size of the latest windows service pack? | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | 400MBs | 01:45 |
| javispedro | (it is obviously surprising, that's why I'm quoting it =) ) | 01:45 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 01:45 |
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| javispedro | around 2.5 GiBs | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | damn I was about to suggest 4.8 | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | aka 'one single layer DVD' | 01:46 |
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| javispedro | that would be more than the win setup dvd itself | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | so what? sounds about reasonable | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | they not only need the new versions, but also the cleansers for the old crap's crap | 01:48 |
| javispedro | well that's like, two and a half tons of crap | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | and probably a complete old original version to compare and detect pirated stuff | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | so obviously it has to be at least 2 times the size of original | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | javispedro: I'd not suggest gconfd if it weren't running anyway | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody visiting embedded world Nuernberg Mar 1-3 ? | 03:15 |
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| Sc0rpius | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utNKHAFmrjs oh this was so funny | 03:16 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't even know what Nuernberg is | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 03:17 |
| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.02.23 0050 UTC; Dew Point: 10 F (-12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.18 in. Hg (1022 hPa); Relative Humidity: 85%; Temperature: 14 F (-10 C); Visibility: 5 mile(s); Wind: from the NE (040 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT); Windchill: 6 F (-14 C) | 03:17 |
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| Sc0rpius | I see, are you in Germany? | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sometimes | 03:18 |
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| * EvertonGomes is away "comer" • Log: on • Pager: off | 03:20 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | EvertonGomes: disable that notice! | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe the question should be "what is embedded world?" | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, not interesting for consumers, it's highly EE focused - new chips, new modules, new technologies | 03:30 |
| Sc0rpius | I see | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | www.ask-embedded-world.de | 03:34 |
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| Sc0rpius | well it's not like I can read that :) | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | except the link 'English->' upper right on the page? | 03:38 |
| Sc0rpius | heh :) | 03:39 |
| Sc0rpius | my brother would love to go to something like that | 03:40 |
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| Sc0rpius | not long ago he was third in the WIZnet iMCU Design Contest | 03:40 |
| Sc0rpius | that's from Circuit Cellar | 03:41 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm not really into electronics | 03:41 |
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| doc|home | I really wish the maemo browser was properly threaded | 04:40 |
| doc|home | so frustrating at times | 04:40 |
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| doc|home | nope, but that shouldn't cause me to not be able to scroll a browser page if there's another browser page doing something. It gets so bad as to just blank out the page. | 04:58 |
| nox- | ah | 04:59 |
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| ZogG | lol n950 without HW keyboard | 07:09 |
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| Sc0rpius | the pics I saw of a possible N950 had a hw keyboard that slides horizontally and vertically | 07:14 |
| ZogG | Sc0rpius so? | 07:18 |
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| doc|home | Sc0rpius: will it happen? | 07:32 |
| ShadowJK | ZogG, I'd say "so?" about your claim too :P | 07:33 |
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| ZogG | you can say "so?" for anything nokia does | 07:34 |
| * ShadowJK is looking forward to the 4-row hw keyboard :-D | 07:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | <yawn> | 07:36 |
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| ShadowJK | :) | 07:38 |
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| RST38h | Ok. We are not selling you phones here | 08:56 |
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| divan | Who said N950 will be without hw-keyboard? It was just an assumption of slashgear article author, wasn't it? | 09:06 |
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| pupnik_ | that would be pretty stupid | 09:09 |
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| pupnik_ | any news about wat the patent deal is with microsoft and nokia? | 09:10 |
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| digitalstimulus | does anyone know how to play sound piped from stdin on N810? play-sound only seems to support playing from file | 10:51 |
| BugBlue | /dev/stdin? | 10:53 |
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| jacekowski | try play-sound - | 10:54 |
| jacekowski | i mean - as filename | 10:54 |
| digitalstimulus | tried that already | 10:55 |
| digitalstimulus | /dev/stdin doesn't give the could not open file error, now I just get "unrecognized audio file format" | 10:55 |
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| digitalstimulus | specifically I am trying to play with espeak on N810 and just using `espeak "hello"` doesn't output any audio, just gives errors | 10:57 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:57 |
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| flexxxv | Is PR 1.3.3.7-6 (20.2010.36-2maemo12 ) the newest cssu? | 11:22 |
| flexxxv | I cant find an update with the application manager, but I thought there was a new version with this rotation bug fix | 11:23 |
| MohammadAG | 12.1 | 11:23 |
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| crashanddie | digitalstimulus, most commands are not tailored to accept binary data through stdin | 11:24 |
| flexxxv | MohammadAG: thx. So I cant get it over app manager / apt-get? | 11:28 |
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| MohammadAG | you can | 11:30 |
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| flexxxv | ok I'll check my repo settings | 11:31 |
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| flexxxv | ok I found the update. btw is it possible to enable fapman to do these kind of updates? | 11:39 |
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| MohammadAG | flexxxv, I suggest not to | 11:46 |
| MohammadAG | I was actually thinking of a check in preinst (is fapman running? if so, fail), but I'm not sure | 11:47 |
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| flexxxv | For me fapman isn't showing this update | 11:47 |
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| MohammadAG | good :P | 11:48 |
| flexxxv | what is the problem with fapman? I like it a lot because ist is so much faster... | 11:48 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't handle updates properly, it autoremoves all unnecessary packages by default | 11:49 |
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| flexxxv | ok thx. The new cssu is realy nice. now the autoroation is working all right. I'm still hoping for portrait app switcher :D | 11:51 |
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| flexxxv | (and hildon home ;) ) | 11:51 |
| MohammadAG | well | 11:51 |
| MohammadAG | CTRL+SHIFT+Blue arrow + L | 11:51 |
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| gomiam | D | 11:55 |
| flexxxv | Intresting, but now ready for every day use.This is a (for me) new key combo. I only knew ctrl+shift+r. thx. | 11:56 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, pointed that shortcut out | 11:56 |
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| BCMM | wow, modest is very usable (for reading) using ctrl+shift+blue+L forced-portrait | 12:00 |
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| dado7 | hi people. is posible video calls with amsn ? or other ways or programs ? | 12:02 |
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| MohammadAG | BCMM, CTRL+SHIFT+R for apps | 12:03 |
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| MohammadAG | and yes, it is usable | 12:03 |
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| MohammadAG | the New message button is broken though, and Message details don't show | 12:04 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: odd, ctrl+shift+blue+L seems to work | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | that forces rotation without doing anything to that | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | to the window* | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | CTRL+SHIFT+R sets the rotation flag | 12:04 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: the "rotation flag" is the X11 window flag saying the window can rotate, right? | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 12:05 |
| BCMM | can it unset it too? | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | same shortcut, CTRL+SHIFT+R | 12:05 |
| BCMM | heh, you can get microB to show the portrait interface, in landscape | 12:06 |
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| dschoepe | after installing the easy-debian image (which did not complete successfully) the file system was set to read only and there were some error messages of attempting to write beyond the end of the device, | 12:37 |
| dschoepe | does this indicate a hardware problem? | 12:37 |
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| BCMM | what does the "is_cool" setting in transitions.ini mean? | 12:45 |
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| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: that thing with my sim card error is happening again | 12:46 |
| mc_teo | well honestly, it never stopped | 12:46 |
| mc_teo | heres my dmesg log: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/343215 | 12:47 |
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| MohammadAG | BCMM, i have no idea | 12:51 |
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| Hoxzer | eh.... can somebody explain me why http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_armel.tgz no longer exists? | 13:00 |
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| Hoxzer | asking question on IRC always help me to find the solution myself, new url: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz | 13:07 |
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| Hoxzer | btw debian-squeeze maemo-sdk package still uses that old url | 13:11 |
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| dschoepe | Do the easy-debian images still work for you? Unpacking them on the device fails and causes the filesystem to be remounted read-only and when trying to unlzma either of them on my desktop, I get "lzma: Decoder error" | 13:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | It worked for me. I had to edit the code and extract it -from- the MyDocs -to- the SD card, but it worked | 13:17 |
| dschoepe | Which one did you use? I tried debian-m5-v3e and debian-m5-v3d. | 13:18 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Mind, lzma on the N900 is annoying - there's no "output file" option - I had to use the option to pipe it to STDOUT and then do '> /path/to/outfile.img' | 13:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | I've done both | 13:18 |
| dschoepe | I find it strange that decompression on the desktop also fails | 13:19 |
| dschoepe | I checked the md5sums, the downloaded files should be uncorrupted | 13:19 |
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| MohammadAG | sigh, C is mindfuck | 13:27 |
| * lcuk washes MohammadAG's mouth out with soap and water | 13:27 | |
| ruskie | no brainfuck in mindfuck ;) | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | well, GLib, sorry :p | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | why does this error out? mafw_playlist_shuffle (this->mafw_playlist, GError *); | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | gboolean mafw_playlist_shuffle (MafwPlaylist *playlist, GError **error); | 13:29 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, I hope you are passing something into GError | 13:29 |
| lcuk | and then, hopefully it will tell you the reason | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | error: expected primary-expression before '*' token | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | guess I'm not? :P | 13:30 |
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| dschoepe | MohammadAG: the second argument should be a pointer to a GError struct | 13:31 |
| dschoepe | try declaring a GError err; before and then using &err as second argument to mafw_playlist_shuffle | 13:32 |
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| dschoepe | oh, wait it expects a pointer to a pointer to a GError | 13:32 |
| dschoepe | so GError * err_ptr; and then passing &err_ptr should work if I understand this correctly | 13:33 |
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| MohammadAG | oh yay | 13:38 |
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| MohammadAG | thanks | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | didn't notice the ** part | 13:38 |
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| trx | any idea on how may i "disable" Alt+Sym dialog for a certain control (or maybe the whole app)? | 13:56 |
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| MohammadAG | capture input of blue key yourself? | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | (not sure how) | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | h(ow)tf are MafwPlaylist and MafwPlaylistManager related | 14:10 |
| lcuk | trx, why do you need to do that out of interest? | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | actually, MafwPlaylist and MafwProxyPlaylist | 14:11 |
| trx | because i have a custom memo control | 14:11 |
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| trx | which cant ( dont know why) recieve the input from that dialog | 14:11 |
| trx | so i'll have to recreate it myself for that one control.. | 14:11 |
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| trx | that one thing is left for me to fix and the first proper version of TxPad can be released :) | 14:14 |
| trx | now Qt not gtk based :) | 14:14 |
| trx | if anyone even knows about it here :) | 14:15 |
| ruskie | TxPad? | 14:16 |
| ruskie | what's that? | 14:16 |
| trx | my code editor | 14:16 |
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| trx | for n900 | 14:17 |
| ruskie | ahh for those that don't use vim ;) | 14:17 |
| trx | i dont like vim so i made my own editor | 14:18 |
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| trx | is there a way i can use libconic with qt? | 14:22 |
| trx | nevermind, i should learn to use search better | 14:24 |
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| MohammadAG | sigh | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG | how do I create an instance of MafwPlaylist | 14:33 |
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| cos^ | what was the fix for scratchbox's "tset: unknown terminal type xterm | 14:45 |
| cos^ | " issue? | 14:45 |
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| flux | export TERM=vt102 ?-) | 15:36 |
| xkr47 | old-school knowledge :) | 15:38 |
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| lcuk | xkr47, most likely muscle memory lol ( @ flux ) | 16:00 |
| xkr47 | virtual muscle | 16:02 |
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| pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/TYHiB.jpg n900 abuse (how do people manage to do this?) | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: ouch | 16:06 |
| pupnik | ebay auction :) "unit turns on" | 16:06 |
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| edheldil | carried in the same pocket as keys, I guess | 16:07 |
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| pupnik | no, the entire case is bent - person must have thrown it into the ground with all his might - or run over it with a car, or similar | 16:08 |
| pupnik | mine dropped several times and looks fine | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm temped to bid 5 bucks :-P | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Boxed-NO-RESERVE-Faulty-Spares-Repairs-/140514471796?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item20b750af74 - broken ribbon? | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | or partly | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, by something scratching the screen backside tin cover. Also he can't make calls might mean SIMlock | 16:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | microb doesn't support xul doesn't it? I can see there's stuff for xul but there's no specific indication of which version does it use. Neither does showpkg show anything about microb-engine depending on libxul | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | SIMlock is burried somewhere in cmt FW, and the flag setting it is in a config area inside cmt that's not cleared when reflashing cmt FW | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: that's a question clearly best addressed to timeless_office | 16:22 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, because he works/used to work at nokia or something? | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | because afaik he wrote microB | 16:24 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 16:24 |
| psycho_oreos | thanks, well I'll try pinging him if he's around | 16:25 |
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| pupnik | the E7 and "N9 prototype" are so great looking... wish they'd get something out the door | 16:26 |
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| nid0 | the e7 is out the door | 16:27 |
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| pupnik | sorry i meant the 'meego' e7 style thingy | 16:28 |
| pupnik | a new device program a la "the OS isn't ready yet, but you can work on it" would be awesome | 16:29 |
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| trx | um, does anyone know which key is the blue arrow? | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | The one with the blue arrow on it. | 16:31 |
| villager | it's on the left side... | 16:31 |
| trx | seriously | 16:31 |
| trx | i mean like its a representation of which key | 16:32 |
| trx | AltGr, right alt, etc | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | now is there any youtube video of Gaddafi clown performance with decent subtitles? (I love to listen to his أكره هراء جنون العظمة voice, but alas I don't understand it | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ) | 16:33 |
| nid0 | most news sites have the video with a translator over the top | 16:33 |
| edheldil | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 16:33 |
| edheldil | ;--) | 16:33 |
| pupnik | trx: there's an x program that helps you see that | 16:34 |
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| pupnik | xev | 16:35 |
| trx | i actually need which shift modifier is applied when i press "blue arrow" + some key | 16:35 |
| Aranel | which is the best/newest Android port for N900? xMasDroid, NITDroid Gingerbread or something else? | 16:35 |
| trx | blue arrow = 227 | 16:35 |
| trx | but i have no use of that information | 16:35 |
| trx | pupnik ill look into it, ty | 16:36 |
| pupnik | for e.g. if i press left alt, xev returns keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L) | 16:36 |
| villager | trx: well, if you want a computer analog, then it's a bit like the Fn key on a laptop | 16:36 |
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| villager | trx: for keymap purposes you can probably consider it kind of like altgr though | 16:36 |
| trx | tried altGr with no luck :( | 16:37 |
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| villager | trx: well, it isn't altgr... I only meant it is mapped to a similar level-shift modification of the other keys | 16:38 |
| pupnik | villager: we knew that thanks | 16:39 |
| pupnik | AltGr is keycode 108 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift) | 16:40 |
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| villager | pupnik: if trx knew, maybe he should have made it clearer? anyway... looks like the rx-51 keymaps refer to it as right-alt | 16:44 |
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| pupnik | nice, ty villager | 16:45 |
| trx | i saw that, its not right alt | 16:46 |
| trx | at least on non hildon level i dont recieve right alt | 16:46 |
| villager | but it's officially a "Fn" key, they just use the ralt_switch semantics | 16:46 |
| villager | trx: what are you using to test? | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | keyboard is quite messed up, from matrix to blue key to NK-Enter bug | 16:47 |
| trx | custom qt app | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | esp the matrix is a riddle to me, why it's so fsckdup weird | 16:50 |
| dschoepe | speaking of the keyboard, is there a way to configure it to require two Fn key-presses before Fn lock is released? | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 16:50 |
| dschoepe | that would be very handy when, e.g. entering ip adresses | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you bet it would be, also controlling indicator LED to show current state of qualifier(-lock) would be nice | 16:51 |
| dschoepe | hmm, let me guess, the keyboard drivers are part of the closed portion of maemo? | 16:52 |
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| villager | trx: how are you trying to find the keycode then? | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | dschoepe: It seemed to me like that's the case, though I never checked | 16:53 |
| trx | i dont need its key, the key is 227 | 16:53 |
| trx | i need to know which shift state it represents | 16:53 |
| villager | trx: ISO_Level3_Shift? | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: isn't there a lengthy comment somewhere in rx51-keymap or what it's caled? | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trx: I'm sure you are aware of the wiki howto for changing keymaps | 16:55 |
| trx | yes | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check the files referred there, they have info | 16:55 |
| trx | ill check that again | 16:55 |
| villager | trx: ISO_Level3_Shift happens to be mapped to Mod5 on my device right now, fwiw | 16:56 |
| trx | ok, ty | 16:56 |
| trx | ill give it a try | 16:56 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil: you in uk? this is a good deal http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Mobile-Phone-/160550435747?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item25618d3ba3 | 17:03 |
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| khertan | Hello all ! | 17:08 |
| villager | has anyone written anything for doing online directory lookups on whoever's calling (so I know whether it's a telemarketer etc), or would I have to write it myself? | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: I already have one | 17:09 |
| trx | great... i get no shift modifier at all | 17:10 |
| trx | ill have to manualy create it.. | 17:10 |
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| trx | i guess its only a key and hildon does the rest manually | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trx: kbd has multilayered drivers cooking and mangling things in several ways. In all OS I checked so far, it's a PITA | 17:15 |
| trx | it really is a PITA :/ | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seriously, it takes me one whle day of reading docs and manpages, each time I try to wrap my head around how *exactly* input in linux works | 17:20 |
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| Dassu | oke guys.... | 17:20 |
| Dassu | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/problems_running_qmake_inside_scratchbox-and_outside/ | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly another two until I found out about mayor diffs between specs/docs and reality ;-) | 17:21 |
| Dassu | so, why in gods name don't we have binary qmake for arm arch? | 17:21 |
| trx | yeah, i never manage to stay focused when i try to work that out, i get frustrated and just skip it.. | 17:22 |
| trx | now its only thing left i have to do it :/ | 17:22 |
| trx | it's the only* | 17:22 |
| trx | excuse my english btw.. | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nm | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote that's the perfect explanation why I never made it to check if those parts are blobs or foss in maemo | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wouldn't even know if I'm looking for the right thing | 17:26 |
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| trx | :) | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dschoepe: one thing's for sure: the blue+ctrl function has to be rather low in that driver stack, and it's for sure giving you layering hell to call ind-LED in a compatible way, from that (probably kernel-)level of the input processing stack | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/blue+ctl/blue|shift-double/ | 17:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a mechanical sketching program for n00? | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ^9 | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 17:32 |
| trx | it would be really nice if there is some kind of signal i can send to hildon or w/e is controling the symbol dialog | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | like in CAD? | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:32 |
| trx | and tell it not to show up :/ | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: a ice-to-have yet unheard | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice-to* | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | had sth like that on palmpilot | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even with dimension-values | 17:38 |
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| alterego | lol http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12554499 | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "In some circumstances it renders the phone completely unusable and can't be restored to a previous version," COOOOL | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | original M$ crap | 17:41 |
| * alterego chuckles | 17:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | condolences Nokia for that technology partner | 17:42 |
| BCMM_ | one of the cool things about the n900 is the ability to recover from various states, imho | 17:42 |
| alterego | I think Nokia will test the updates first anyway ;) | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure!!!!!!! | 17:42 |
| Sc0rpius | I've heard Windows Phone 7 have neither flash nor HTML5 what kind of crap is that | 17:42 |
| BCMM_ | "bricked" mine by doing something stupid with the kernel, no problem, reflashed kernel... | 17:43 |
| alterego | BCMM_: definitely, unfortunately this is probably something that Nokia won't add to any other handsets outside maemo/meego .. | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | First WP7 phone is OTA 900 surprise! | 17:43 |
| villager | DocScrutinizer: I doubt the ctrl-sym key needs to be deep in the driver stack, it can be intercepted on the X level (for a system-wide intercept, XGrabKey() can be used) | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | BCMM_, do you really think normal people could do that? | 17:43 |
| BCMM_ | lcuk: you mean do something stupid with the kernel, right? | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: I meant the sym-lock / shift-lock | 17:44 |
| lcuk | BCMM_, recover from such an error | 17:44 |
| BCMM_ | i mean, it's safe to play if you're bright enough to play | 17:44 |
| alterego | Quim said something interesting on the meego forums, he seemed to imply that the next device will be capable of running a complete foss distro (though he added there may still be a few closed components) | 17:44 |
| alterego | Which makes me think it probably wont be a phone, he skirted round that issue somewhat | 17:44 |
| lcuk | linux should not laugh at Windows until Linux is strong and does not require incantation of ancient runes. | 17:44 |
| villager | DocScrutinizer: ok... well I think that's a feature that can be enabled in regular desktop X servers too... | 17:44 |
| alterego | lcuk: but that is what makes it so fun! :D | 17:45 |
| BCMM_ | is the n900 not capable of "running" a totally free distro, if you didn't need X and phone calls? | 17:45 |
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| alterego | BCMM_: well, maybe, but sgx is closed also, so the device would be pretty limited, that and wifi/bluetooth firmware etc. | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: the problem is not about enabling the feature, it *is* enabled. The question is where to tweak things to change/augment the behaviour | 17:46 |
| BCMM_ | alterego: huh, is firmware a big deal? is it licensed so as not to br redistributable? | 17:46 |
| BCMM_ | i mean, firmware is an open hardware rather than open software issue | 17:47 |
| alterego | BCMM_: dunno :) | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the eten Glofiish M800 had a nice way this locks worked. They actually flashed the LED when it's locked, and lighted steady when it's just a sticky qualifier for next keypress (I.E. *not* doublepressed). To lock AND unlock you had to doublepress the qualifier key, and a single press just inverted state for next keypress. Exactly what dschoepe(?) was asking for, and what I suggested since 12 months | 17:49 |
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| Necc | [16:31] <SpeedEvil> Is there a mechanical sketching program for n00? <-- like package "atlc" ? | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=atlc | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Gives no hits | 17:51 |
| dschoepe | DocScrutinizer: yes, that is exactly what I want (except for that I don't care much about the LED displaying it) | 17:51 |
| Necc | it is a normal debian package | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | dschoepe: it's mad usefull to not lose "sync" with state :-) | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh! | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | http://atlc.sourceforge.net/ | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Is really, really cool looking. | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Though completely unrelated to my actual question. | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Arbitrary transmission line calculator. | 17:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Transmission lines, including directional couplers, of arbitrary cross section and an arbitrary number of dielectrics can be analysed with atlc. The impedance Zo of a two-conductor transmission line, as well as the odd-mode, even-mode, differential mode and common mode impedances of a directional coupler can all be computed with atlc. Tools to both analyse and synthesise directional couplers are available. atlc is primarily a UNIX or linux progra | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, I know what's a transmission line ;-D | 17:53 |
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| Necc | well you said something "mechanical" | 17:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yes, I know, but it does a bit more than that. | 17:53 |
| Necc | i had no idea what do you meaned "something mechanical" so i came up with that | 17:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Completely arbitrarily shaped is rather different. | 17:53 |
| BCMM_ | oh, mechanical sketching as in diagrams/blueprints | 17:55 |
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| BCMM_ | i thought it was something to do with nonphotorealistic rendering | 17:55 |
| SpeedEvil | that sort of thing, yes | 17:55 |
| BCMM_ | you know, faux pencil sketches, drawn by a machine... | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | (TL) btw another nice effect in antenna design usually not taken into account. Antennae are one huge cluster of TLs | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | incl cabling and driver output circuitry | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | admittedly those TLs are usually next to zero for their transformation function quality | 17:57 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders idly if atlc can also calculate acoustic TLs | 17:59 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I saw the modeling of a human circulatory system the other day as transmission lines. | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Including diagnosing circulatory problems by looking at the pulse-shape inv arious preripheral vasculature. | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's a human circulatory system? The blood thing? | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe nice | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | analyzing the finite-pulse-response (hehe) of that TL and deducing the TL's parameters from it | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | nifty | 18:03 |
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| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: that thing with my sim card error is happening again | 18:06 |
| mc_teo | well honestly, it never stopped | 18:06 |
| mc_teo | heres my dmesg log: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/343215 | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: I checked that dmesg and can't find any related stuff in it | 18:07 |
| mc_teo | well ive tried many sim cards in it | 18:07 |
| mc_teo | and all give same error | 18:07 |
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| mc_teo | my phone has been on for a few hours now, shall i post dmesg log again? | 18:09 |
| mc_teo | new log: http://paste.pocco.org/show/343367/ | 18:09 |
| mc_teo | sorry: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/343367/ | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I see a lot of strange mess regarding WL1251 and regulatory (US) in there, but still not a single line regarding modem | 18:13 |
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| mc_teo | i only flashed it recently | 18:14 |
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| villager | DocScrutinizer: interestingly, according to a t.m.o thread, the stickiness of the n900 lock keys are handled in a gtk input method (plugin), not in the X server or driver stack... wonder why nokia did that... | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | interesting | 18:15 |
| mc_teo | and havent done anything with wireless drivers, since two flashes ago | 18:15 |
| mc_teo | anything i could do to make some SIM card related entries appear? | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I don't know (not done much of diving into that topic yet) | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe ask SpeedEvil | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc he had similar problem | 18:17 |
| mc_teo | SpeedEvil: are thou present? | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | also ShadowJK | 18:17 |
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| mc_teo | okay, thanks | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: are you using global firmware? | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | there've been several reports about issues with modem, when using US firmware version - iirc | 18:20 |
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| Dassu | Should libqt4-dev contain working qmake? Mine reports "bash: /usr/bin/qmake: No such file or directory" When in fact the file exists and it is a binary: "/usr/bin/qmake: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped" | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | otoh the US vesion might come with a special cmt FW version that tries to fix issues specific to US fubar'ed GSM bands and protocols situation | 18:21 |
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| RST38h | ...Despite the "catastrophic" damage, one of the film's operating assumptions is that defeat is avoidable as long as the adversary cannot impose its "will" on the United States... | 18:21 |
| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: i flashed it with Global firmware yes | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: now that's a really non-thrilling one | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: so - assuming you live in USA - it might be worth to give US version a try (if there's such a thing like US version, which I'm not sure about) | 18:24 |
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| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer, nah, I live in Ireland | 18:24 |
| mc_teo | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin is the one I used | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, so never mind | 18:25 |
| mc_teo | and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin before that | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | mc_teo: About what? | 18:25 |
| mc_teo | my SIM Card isnt being read | 18:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | mc_teo: I'vehad occasional SIMproblems - but they seem to now have gone away for no reason at all. | 18:26 |
| mc_teo | when turning n900 on, it takes ages to load, (>3 x usual time) | 18:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | I would suggest you clean the SIM contacts with a pencil erasor, or similar. (on the SIM itself, and really gently on the n900 | 18:26 |
| mc_teo | and then gives an error, that all communication have failed, and rebooting might solve the problem | 18:26 |
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| mc_teo | i first got this on the 4th of Feburary | 18:27 |
| BCMM_ | doesn't rubber produce static when rubbed against the plastic bits of a SIMcard? | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 18:27 |
| mc_teo | and have trying different SIM cards too | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | the "blue" erasers with fine sand are ok for this | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and glas fibre erasers as well, if used gnetly | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | gently* | 18:29 |
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| mc_teo | just turning it back on | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | also xou can check if the SIM holder contacts have enough force and are protruding from plastic far enoiugh and equally. You can adjust this by **carefully** bending these srings outwards a bit | 18:31 |
| mc_teo | i know by the time it remains inresponsive that it wouldnt work | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | springs* | 18:31 |
| mc_teo | "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device" | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lemme put it this way: the holes in the thin steel SIM holder are there for a reason, the spring contacts should reach out through the holes when no SIM inserted | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a little bit | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, either your SIM incl contacts etc has a problem, or your modem firmware or hw has some defect | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can reflash the modem firmware | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | there might have been a weak block in modem's flash storage that lost a few bits, so reflashing FW might actually help | 18:35 |
| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: well i have tried different SIMs | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | mc_teo: Where in the world are you? | 18:36 |
| mc_teo | Ireland | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ireland | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: diff SIMs of diff carriers? | 18:36 |
| mc_teo | no, but i can try? | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are known cases where a whole series of SIM was flawed | 18:37 |
| mc_teo | yeah, my one is a few years old. 6 or more | 18:38 |
| mc_teo | i tried it with a new one, just taken out of packet in shop, same thing | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not expect that problem with Nokia, but anyway - try a different carrier | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and reflash cellmo FW | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | mc_teo: northern, or southern? I'm unsure fo teh warranty in southern. | 18:40 |
| mc_teo | Southern | 18:40 |
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| mc_teo | yeah, i got it from o2 directly, but use meteor Sim in it | 18:41 |
| nid0 | warranty in roi is the same as northern, nokia's warranty covers the whole of europe | 18:41 |
| mc_teo | my das takes care of all the phones in the company so he me n900 at a discount, so i dont know much about where it was bought | 18:42 |
| mc_teo | dad* | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | flasher --flash-only=cmt-or-whaever | 18:42 |
| mc_teo | and same problem with o2 sim card | 18:42 |
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| mc_teo | and i tried it with a Three Sim card there a few days ago | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: the key word in that error msg is "incl emergency" | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: even with no SIM at all the modem shall support emergency calls | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this looks like a cmt FW or HW defect | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a fsckdup libisi | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reflash the cmt FW! | 18:45 |
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| mc_teo | okay | 18:48 |
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| mc_teo | so reflash the model firmware? | 18:48 |
| mc_teo | modem* | 18:48 |
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| mc_teo | how can i see corrent argv for --flash-only? | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | README in tgz | 18:52 |
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| mc_teo | this it? http://maemo.org/packages/view/cmt-firmware-rx51/ | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | Valid --flash-only options: | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | nolo, kernel, initfs, rootfs, cmt | 18:52 |
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| mc_teo | should i use the root file system one, or the SSU one? | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | uh, what? | 18:54 |
| mc_teo | i presume, the former | 18:54 |
| mc_teo | MohammadAG: http://maemo.org/packages/view/cmt-firmware-rx51/ | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Valid --flash-only options: | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | nolo, kernel, initfs, rootfs | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ummm | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops, late | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: there has to be a lengthy thread on tmo about recovering cmt from flashing that leaked pre-PR1.2 | 18:58 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't do any inter-region firmware flashing and had that "All communication disabled" thing. Sent it to nokia, got a new device after 4 weeks | 19:01 |
| mc_teo | yeah, the lady in the shop said i should do that | 19:01 |
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| mc_teo | and that they could repair it to a higher standard than i could | 19:02 |
| mc_teo | :( | 19:02 |
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| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: I ususally dont like venturing into Talk.maemo.org | 19:03 |
| mc_teo | i dont like the search | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the search of vBulletin® Version 3.8.2 is a bad joke | 19:04 |
| BCMM | i don't like the lengthy threads | 19:04 |
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| BCMM | is there some way i don't know about of finding out which posts have content and which ones rephrase a question from the original post or simply bash/praise nokia, before reading them? | 19:05 |
| BCMM | it needs slashcode-style moderation or something... | 19:05 |
| mc_teo | yep | 19:06 |
| mc_teo | insta-ban off topics | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: probably you should just reflash COMBINEd and watch for diagnostic output related to cmt flashing | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as mentioned above it also could be caused by libisi.so or whatevr is involved in communicating to cmt | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: so reflash to a clean PR1.2, making sure cmt FW gets reflashed during the process as well. DO NOT restore any backup, test. Depending on the result either check your software (if it works now), or send in the device for hw repair (if it still fails) | 19:09 |
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| Dassu | Can somebody help to understand why does armel libqt4-dev contain x86 binaries: http://paste.servut.us/plain/8wxv ? | 19:15 |
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| alterego | Dassu: submit a bug | 19:18 |
| alterego | Dassu: The cross-compilation system has some creases that cause this to happen fairly often ;) | 19:18 |
| BCMM | do they work, in scratchbox? is it an intentional performance thing? | 19:19 |
| alterego | Oh wait, this isn't meego .. | 19:19 |
| alterego | Ignore what I said ;) | 19:19 |
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| trx | where can i find more info about symbol dialog? | 19:20 |
| trx | is it OSS? | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik it's blob | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be wrong | 19:21 |
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| trx | my custom control doesnt recieve any key from it | 19:23 |
| trx | so i am wondering how does it send the key | 19:24 |
| trx | so i can do... something about it.. | 19:24 |
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| Dassu | alterego: oh, it was already reported | 19:24 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 19:30 |
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| Venemo | alterego: did you manage to have some time to peek into my code? | 19:30 |
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| hawaii_ | shoop shoop. | 19:56 |
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| hawaii_ | Is a "spawned windows stealing focus" fix being worked on? | 19:58 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: so you can send me PR1.3 firmware image(s)? :P | 20:04 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: i can | 20:19 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ | 20:19 |
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| tgalal | any news about a gui for CSSU ? | 20:23 |
| tgalal | settings and stuff | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | UI's ready, saving isn't | 20:23 |
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| tgalal | MohammadAG, how can I help? | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | haven't pushed sources yet :/ | 20:25 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: k, I'm trusting you have legal auth to distribute it :P | 20:31 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: of course not | 20:32 |
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| luke-jr | x.x | 20:33 |
| luke-jr | whatever, not my problem | 20:34 |
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| pupnik | http://www.securityweek.com/nevercookie-eats-evercookie-new-firefox-plugin another reason not to use flash | 20:45 |
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| HtheB | MohammadAG: yo | 20:47 |
| HtheB | keyfe hal | 20:47 |
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| pupnik | they sure made some strange smartphones in 2004 http://cgi.ebay.de/Motorola-MPx-Windows-Mobile-Smartphone-MPX300-Prototype-/260738796276?pt=DE_Handys_ohne_Vertrag_KM&hash=item3cb53e4af4 | 20:58 |
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| hawaii_ | I remember having one of those. | 21:02 |
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| hawaii_ | The keyboard didn't look like it was spawned from Satan's mouth though. | 21:03 |
| hawaii_ | It ran PPC2003 and was hella slow, huge like a brick and had shit battery life. | 21:03 |
| pupnik | http://cgi.ebay.de/Nokia-aeon-Luxus-Handy-Prototype-einzigartig-/180629134559?pt=DE_Handys_ohne_Vertrag_KM&hash=item2a0e55dcdf someone selling a Nokia aeon prototype | 21:04 |
| HtheB | chinese prototype | 21:06 |
| HtheB | lol | 21:06 |
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| pupnik | HtheB: it is? they make a nokia box and logo too? | 21:11 |
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| HtheB | sure | 21:11 |
| HtheB | they copy everything | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | even the icons in the OS | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | though not the actual os | 21:12 |
| HtheB | http://ciscam-china.com/productshow.asp?pbname=Nokia%20Series&psname=&pid=270 | 21:13 |
| HtheB | u cant see the box clearly | 21:13 |
| HtheB | but it is a "NOKIA" box :) | 21:13 |
| HtheB | :D | 21:13 |
| HtheB | hmmm.. this seems to have a 5300 mainboard xD | 21:14 |
| HtheB | with a real S40 software | 21:14 |
| HtheB | lol | 21:14 |
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| hawaii_ | That is clearly not an 8800 though. | 21:20 |
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| HtheB | hawaii_: http://www.nokiaphoneblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/n97-fake-comparison.jpg | 21:24 |
| HtheB | lol | 21:24 |
| HtheB | does anyone know what I have to change from the transistion.ini to get a "rotation" when rotating my phone | 21:25 |
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| BCMM | HtheB: clarify? | 21:25 |
| HtheB | hang on, youtube link | 21:25 |
| BCMM | HtheB: you mean where the image on the screen seems to rotate, staying in the plane of the screen, rather than flipping over? | 21:26 |
| HtheB | yeah | 21:26 |
| HtheB | u get the point | 21:26 |
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| BCMM | HtheB: got CSSU? | 21:27 |
| andre__ | zaxisrotation = 1 | 21:27 |
| andre__ | forcerotation = 1 | 21:27 |
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| BCMM | HtheB: yes to the former, no to the latter | 21:27 |
| BCMM | the second one will make all apps rotate, even ones which are ugly and broken | 21:27 |
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| andre__ | HtheB, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features | 21:28 |
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| BCMM | HtheB: anyway, for that effect you need to upgrade to CSSU, and then find zaxisrotation = 0 and change it to 1 | 21:29 |
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| HtheB | BCMM: upgraded already :p | 21:30 |
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| HtheB | andre__: thnx, let me see the wiki | 21:31 |
| BCMM | HtheB: sorry! assumed you hadn't from the lack of a -ssu in your /whois | 21:31 |
| HtheB | im just using the webchat quickly lol | 21:31 |
| BCMM | HtheB: how up-to-date are you? if you have a zaxisrotation = 0, change it, otherwise, refresh HAM :) | 21:32 |
| HtheB | updated about an hour ago | 21:32 |
| BCMM | on step ahead of me then :) should work | 21:33 |
| HtheB | applied the transition | 21:35 |
| HtheB | killed hildon desktop | 21:35 |
| HtheB | lets see now | 21:35 |
| trumee | is there any sort of download manager in the repos? Something which will queue my microb downloads | 21:36 |
| HtheB | yaaay works | 21:37 |
| HtheB | trumee: I thought the microb downloads supported that? | 21:37 |
| trumee | or even some console based program | 21:37 |
| HtheB | thnx BCMM and andre__ | 21:37 |
| trumee | HtheB, really, never checked it | 21:37 |
| HtheB | trumee: lol | 21:37 |
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| trumee | HtheB, no it doesnt | 21:39 |
| pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/NtL58.jpg << does that Nokia Aeon prototype really have curved screen? | 21:39 |
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| trumee | HtheB, it starts downloading everything atonce | 21:40 |
| HtheB | you can pause it :) | 21:40 |
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| trumee | HtheB, yes. | 21:40 |
| HtheB | and continue later | 21:40 |
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| chadi | How can I know the frequency limits through the terminal? | 21:41 |
| HtheB | pupnik: I think the screen is flat, and the curve was just the "glass above" the screen | 21:41 |
| pupnik | HtheB: possible i guess, but a great idea design-wise | 21:41 |
| HtheB | yeah, but how usefull? :D | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | It is quite possible to make nonrectangular LCD | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just expensive | 21:42 |
| BCMM | pupnik: is it a touchscreen? | 21:43 |
| BCMM | it could have a thing over the screen that is curved | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhSKaUfaog4 | 21:43 |
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| BCMM | like the old 3410s and so on did | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | See that, for example | 21:43 |
| HtheB | BCMM: only the bottom part afair | 21:43 |
| BCMM | yeah, so the top part could have a glass or plastic cover that is curved | 21:43 |
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| vi__ | you see the intensified rumours about the no HW keyboard n9-01? | 21:44 |
| HtheB | vi__: wasnt that already comfirmed? | 21:44 |
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| HtheB | they discontinued the N9-00 | 21:44 |
| HtheB | and the N9-01 wont have hw keyboard | 21:45 |
| HtheB | seems like they had some "problems" with the keyboard slider | 21:45 |
| HtheB | :/ | 21:45 |
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| HtheB | (how about just to make an E7 and put MeeGo on it, it has the same keyboard slider!!!!!!!!!) | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | there's RM-680, RM-690, RM-696 | 21:46 |
| pupnik | HtheB: slightly weak cpu for meego, low res screen | 21:46 |
| HtheB | pupnik: I'm talking about the design ;) | 21:46 |
| vi__ | i know, i just dont wanna believe it | 21:46 |
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| * mst sighs | 21:46 | |
| MohammadAG | one might've been canceled, 2 still exist | 21:46 |
| mst | attempting to attached a bluetooth keyboard to an n900 | 21:47 |
| mst | I had this same bloody keyboard working before | 21:47 |
| mst | now I just get 'connect error' | 21:47 |
| pupnik | HtheB: yes, beautiful design, case etc. would be perfect case for a n950 imho | 21:47 |
| vi__ | now they release a lemon n9 sucessor that blows, no one buys it and they say | 21:47 |
| vi__ | i told you so | 21:47 |
| mst | and running an equivalent of | 21:47 |
| mst | dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/11984/hci0/dev_00_07_61_75_xx_xx org.bluez.Input.Connect | 21:47 |
| HtheB | vi__: source? | 21:47 |
| mst | tells me there's no such method | 21:47 |
| mst | does anybody have a suggestion where to start figuring out what I screwed up? | 21:47 |
| vi__ | delete the connection and try again | 21:48 |
| vi__ | HtheB: just search n9-01 | 21:48 |
| HtheB | www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Nokia+N9-01 | 21:49 |
| mst | vi__: done that twice. | 21:49 |
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| * mst does it a third time | 21:50 | |
| mst | vi__: bah. "Connection failed to" and nothing else | 21:52 |
| mst | AHA | 21:53 |
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| * trumee wishes text automatically got copied to clipboard on text selection like linux desktop | 22:06 | |
| trumee | wasn't that one of X servers job. | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: there are two discrete buffers | 22:11 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, on N900 too? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | the ctrl-cxv clipboard and the X mmb buffer | 22:11 |
| Proteous | putty on windows can do that | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: nfc | 22:11 |
| Proteous | the right click to paste gets me into trouble sometimes | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: test it with your middle mouse button ;-P | 22:12 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, no h-e-n/bluez mouse here :( | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, you still use PS2-mouse? | 22:14 |
| HtheB | trackpad ftw | 22:14 |
| HtheB | lol | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | RS232 for the geeks ;-D | 22:15 |
| Proteous | my mouse connects vis adb | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | busmouse | 22:15 |
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| trumee | My USB mouse starts moving the cursor when idle. PS2 was better | 22:15 |
| trumee | Seems most usb mice have that issue | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah those were the times where you got a ISA card to connect your mouse XP | 22:16 |
| HtheB | lol | 22:16 |
| HtheB | mouse is alive! | 22:16 |
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| MohammadAG | hey sjgadsby | 22:19 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: any possibility to add portrait mode on the password screen? | 22:19 |
| sjgadsby | Hi, MohammadAG. | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB, lock screen? it's closed afaik :/ | 22:19 |
| HtheB | hmm>.< | 22:19 |
| HtheB | =( thnx | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | a rewrite shouldn't be hard | 22:20 |
| HtheB | would be very awesome | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | The lock code bit might be. | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | ? | 22:20 |
| HtheB | :D | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | Someone could implement Android-style pattern unlock. | 22:20 |
| E0x | how lock screen work ? | 22:21 |
| HtheB | Jaffa: as long as it is portrait mode :D | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | it stays on top | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | that's it | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | idk about Gtk, but in Qt, you'd make a QDialog, set it to always on top, make closeEvent() ask to shut down the device, then read the cal entry for lock-code | 22:22 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: cal gives you the code?! | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | then make an init.d script that runs at startup, checks if lock is enabled (probably gconf) | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, DES encrypted, yes | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | needs 5 minutes to crack | 22:22 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Ah, OK. Probably same key on all ;) | 22:23 |
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| MohammadAG | echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1) prints it | 22:24 |
| HtheB | would it be hard to implement the android like pattern code? | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | what's the android like pattern? | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | never tried it | 22:24 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: hang on | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | I want the gingerbread fade in lock screen effect | 22:25 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: 4x4 grid of dots. You can encode a pattern and then you replay it to unlock | 22:25 |
| HtheB | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0NbEld2UEc | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 22:25 |
| HtheB | watch from 0:33 | 22:25 |
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| MohammadAG | should be easy I guess | 22:26 |
| E0x | HtheB: if you rewrite the lock screen i think anything will posible in a not hard way | 22:26 |
| Jaffa | Closed version doesn't like Ctrl-Shift-R much ;-) | 22:27 |
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| HtheB | Jaffa: yeah :D | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | I want slide to answer | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | should be easy with a patched hildon-desktop | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | cause I'm not sure how to get on top of the stock answer dialog | 22:28 |
| HtheB | hmm | 22:29 |
| HtheB | so replacing the old lockscreen with a new one would do the job | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | lockscreen is different | 22:30 |
| HtheB | you mean the lock slider? | 22:30 |
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| HtheB | (pressing power button) | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 22:31 |
| HtheB | what do you mean with slide to answer | 22:31 |
| Jaffa | HtheB: Phone rings. No button to answer, but a slider | 22:31 |
| HtheB | oh ! | 22:31 |
| HtheB | yeah | 22:31 |
| HtheB | slide to answer the phone :D | 22:32 |
| Jaffa | Yup :) | 22:32 |
| E0x | 16:30 < MohammadAG> I want slide to answer | 22:32 |
| HtheB | yeah, I think everybody has pressed accidently at least one to the reject button | 22:32 |
| HtheB | once* | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdTj3d148UI | 22:32 |
| E0x | HtheB: or answer without evey looking who is calling | 22:33 |
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| deno | hi there | 22:35 |
| deno | is foreseen a new kernel soon? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: I suggested to replace the button widgets with some sliding type ones, for dialer-ui. Either by LDPRELOAD or even by patching the binary | 22:37 |
| HtheB | would be great :) | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't be THAT hard, given all the widgets are from a lib, and you can define custom ones | 22:39 |
| E0x | i am alway want know how that can get done , patch binary ( hex editing it or something ) , i mean not the process of doing it but how know what part is the right one | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you could even patch the lib so the gtkwidget_pushbutton or whatever the object is called, is switching to slider type button on exactly processname==rtcom-dialer-ui && (button_text=="ACCEPT" || button_text=="REJECT") | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no patches needed in rtcom-dialer-ui at all then | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't ask me how's that lib called that provides the widgets for dialer-ui | 22:45 |
| hawaii_ | Hijack the dbus trigger. | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'm rather sure it's a lib.so | 22:45 |
| hawaii_ | Completely remove the closed sourced binaries that can be. | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hawaii_: eh? I don't think dialer-ui GUI widgets talk to the "parent process" via dbus | 22:46 |
| hawaii_ | Take it over from when an incoming call is initiated. | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | remember, we don't want to break it | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, I was thinking of just displaying a new dialog on top of the phone one | 22:47 |
| hawaii_ | Kill it and spawn the new application. | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | killing it isn't the best way | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 22:47 |
| hawaii_ | Okay. Make it lose focus. | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | how? that's the problem | 22:47 |
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| MohammadAG | find me a way, and you have slide to answer done | 22:48 |
| hawaii_ | Redrawing over the image might work - but we both know it's an ugly h4x | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | I even changed set_topmost to get_topmost | 22:48 |
| hawaii_ | Within what? | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: patch the buttons, not the communication to telepathy! | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | rtcom-call-ui.launch | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not patching anything DocScrutinizer | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | I simply want to display two dialogs | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | the stock dialog, and the rewrite over it | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't work | 22:49 |
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| MohammadAG | why's that | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't need another lockscreen on top of dialer UI | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | uh, what? | 22:49 |
| hawaii_ | I know what he wants to do. It will work just fine. | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | we're not talking about lockscreens | 22:49 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: I think you didnt get it | 22:49 |
| HtheB | yeah | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | we're talking about the answer dialog (yes, it's a dialog) | 22:50 |
| hawaii_ | The only issue is forcing the spawned process into the background | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | but nevertheless you plan to implement one | 22:50 |
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| MohammadAG | foreground* | 22:50 |
| hawaii_ | and giving focus to the new one. | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | uh, no | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | I plan a Nokia Bubbles clone, but that's not the same as this | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | we're talking about different things | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, it's not spawned | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | it's simply show()n | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | or created, whatever | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | it's still the same dialer application | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't get it what you guys plan to build here, but I see it's not what I like to get | 22:51 |
| hawaii_ | okay. | 22:51 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: tell him one more time :D | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, basically, this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdTj3d148UI | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I want my original rtcom-dialer-ui, just with better buttons | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | well, you can't | 22:52 |
| HtheB | closed source | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | he prosed a patch to buttons | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the way you plan to implement that it's a lockscreen at best | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | that's patching a library | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | no DocScrutinizer | 22:52 |
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| MohammadAG | you're complicating things | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | I just want another dialog showing over rtcom-call-ui | 22:53 |
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| MohammadAG | with slide to answer, slide to reject | 22:53 |
| HtheB | Slide to right, answer | 22:53 |
| HtheB | Slide to left, reject | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | if you answer, it hide()s, the original UI is shown | 22:53 |
| HtheB | just like the N97 (mini) | 22:53 |
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| hawaii_ | MohammadAG: dbus camp, incoming trigger calls wmctrl to force focus to your new dialog. | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | if you reject, then the original UI also handles the rest | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, how do I force focus? | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, and how to propagate this slide to foo to rtcom-dialer-ui to make it accept that as accept button pressed? | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | dbus | 22:54 |
| hawaii_ | dbus | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 22:54 |
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| MohammadAG | there are dbus methods to answer and reject a call | 22:54 |
| hawaii_ | This will work just fine. | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not same as pressing buttin in dialer | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 22:54 |
| hawaii_ | WTF are you not understanding dude? | 22:54 |
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| E0x | hehe | 22:55 |
| E0x | this is funny | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | your FU rationale | 22:55 |
| HtheB | trollolol? | 22:55 |
| hawaii_ | It's obviously not the complete BEST way to get it done | 22:55 |
| hawaii_ | but it will work just fine. | 22:55 |
| hawaii_ | MohammadAG: I will e-mail instructs when I get the hijack working. | 22:56 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: when you get a call while your screen is locked, you will get a "Slide to answer" instead of "PUSH to answer" | 22:56 |
| HtheB | thats all ..... | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | until I click somewhere else to do something different than what you thought I'm supposed to do | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: I want that ALWAYS | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | not only when screen is locked | 22:56 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: could be done | 22:56 |
| HtheB | thats what MohammadAG tries to tell you | 22:56 |
| HtheB | =) | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, by patching the button widget | 22:57 |
| hawaii_ | Christ. | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not patching anything, feel free to do it | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-02-23 21:48:21] <MohammadAG> I even changed set_topmost to get_topmost | 22:57 |
| chadi | I don't think it's a good idea, already clicking the button takes a while to respond, especially when the phone is busy with other tasks | 22:57 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG, so tell me, what you gonna do now? | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | I don't see that released anywhere | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | chadi, then don't install it | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | rtcom-dialer-ui is trying to get on top, so have fun trying to get on top of it, without patching | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | I will | 22:58 |
| HtheB | ok :D a big challange is heading up :P | 22:58 |
| hawaii_ | That's not a challenge at all. | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and what will happen if I press ctrl-bs while that overlay is active?? | 22:58 |
| hawaii_ | It should be trivial. | 22:59 |
| HtheB | ctrl+bs = ftw | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | nothing | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | nothing should happen | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | as with the original dialog | 22:59 |
| HtheB | :D | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhhhmmm | 22:59 |
| hawaii_ | Okay, how about this | 22:59 |
| hawaii_ | When we get it working, you can complain about why you don't like it | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, any ideas how to gain focus with wmctrl? | 23:00 |
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| hawaii_ | wmctrl -l -x | 23:00 |
| hawaii_ | You'll need to script it to find the process that jumps out | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hawaii_: how about that: if you don't like to discuss how to best implememt something prior to starting on it, why do you come here instead of just starting it and come here when it's done? | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | and the focusing part? | 23:00 |
| hawaii_ | then spawn your overlay, grab that and shove focus | 23:01 |
| hawaii_ | DocScrutinizer: Because I'm here to help with discussing it. | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | UHU | 23:01 |
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| hawaii_ | DocScrutinizer: What is the point of dashing dreams and putting down an idea? | 23:01 |
| hawaii_ | You don't like it - awesome for you. Don't use it. | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hawaii_: you're sounding utterly silly | 23:02 |
| hawaii_ | Be that as it may be. | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I explained what I think how to implemnt it, btw not first time | 23:02 |
| hawaii_ | I'm providing assistance to MohammadAG | 23:02 |
| hawaii_ | You're providing unconstructive criticism. | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I explained what I see possible problems with your solution | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hawaii_: you're providing BS targeted at me | 23:03 |
| hawaii_ | I must go now. | 23:03 |
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| hawaii_ | Perhaps we can discuss this later. | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | 0x0340019f 0 rtcom-call-ui.Rtcom-call-ui Nokia-N900 | 23:04 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: I just want a working thing, doesnt matter how it is done | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: I want a *always* working thing, done in a way so it won't conflict with unforeseen usage patterns | 23:05 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no one's stopping you from doing it | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: orly?! | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | yesrly | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nobody is stpping YOU from shooting your own foot | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't complain | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh you didn't? [2011-02-23 21:48:21] <MohammadAG> I even changed set_topmost to get_topmost | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | the fuck does that matter to you? | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | it didn't work, big whoop | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, I got better things to do than to argue with a bunch of devels about why they don't want to think about better concepts to implement something than what they were able to figure right away | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | believe me, I too have better things | 23:09 |
| HtheB | guys, come on | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | Again, no one's stopping you from doing it, feel free to do it yourself | 23:09 |
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| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: show that your idea is better and implement it | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | I for one, am not changing the whole gtk library | 23:09 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: do your wn stuff too and show which one is better | 23:10 |
| jo-erlend | I have downloaded a .jar-file. It's a java applet frontend for anyremote. I've installed Icedtea6. What else do I need to do? | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB, this isn't a competition | 23:10 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: I know, but this will only give us better opportunities :) | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB, I do what I want to do, I'm open to criticism, this isn't criticism | 23:10 |
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| HtheB | well, im not complaining about anything :P | 23:11 |
| HtheB | Im just an end-user | 23:11 |
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| * HtheB hides | 23:11 | |
| HtheB | Love all the work that has been done by everyone :) | 23:12 |
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| laust | Hi everyone | 23:15 |
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| laust | i'd like to send incoming SMS to the computer with notify-send, has anyone seen something like that? | 23:16 |
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| pupnik | it was definitely good for me to look at other things to appreciate maemo | 23:21 |
| HtheB | maemo ftw | 23:21 |
| javispedro | baa | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | moo | 23:21 |
| HtheB | coockle-doodle-doo | 23:22 |
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| MohammadAG | the sun's not up, STFU! | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 23:23 |
| HtheB | =( | 23:23 |
| HtheB | the sun is rising somewhere :p | 23:23 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG | 23:25 |
| HtheB | meow | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, the north pole | 23:25 |
| javispedro | lol, nokiaplanq | 23:25 |
| HtheB | do you know how to make the background gray | 23:26 |
| HtheB | (transistions) | 23:26 |
| HtheB | when you're in the Menu | 23:26 |
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| javispedro | but funniest is nokiaplanX | 23:28 |
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| javispedro | those who started with BASIC will surely remember the data, read commands... | 23:28 |
| javispedro | fun, fun. | 23:28 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG? | 23:30 |
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| Sc0rpius | well I do remember BASIC | 23:33 |
| Sc0rpius | my first computer was a Sinclair ZX-81, then I had a TRS-80 Color Computer and finally a Commodore 64 | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB, change blurness to 1 | 23:33 |
| Sc0rpius | all 3 of them: BASIC though I used assembler for each one | 23:33 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: it is already on | 23:33 |
| * RST38h moos evilly | 23:33 | |
| HtheB | on 1 * | 23:33 |
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| MohammadAG | restarted the desktop? | 23:34 |
| HtheB | yup | 23:34 |
| HtheB | and you mean blurless :p? | 23:34 |
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| MohammadAG | Sell Symbian to facebook LOL | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB, yeah | 23:35 |
| HtheB | yup, it's on 1 | 23:35 |
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| HtheB | MohammadAG, it's not your fault or so that the gray doesnt show up. It's just that I applied the "Theme customize" fast transitions. | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 23:36 |
| HtheB | but Maybe there is just 1 option that isn't right, which shows the background just "normal" | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | edit /etc/hildon/theme/transitions.ini | 23:36 |
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| HtheB | blurless is also 1 over there | 23:37 |
| HtheB | hang on, ill show u | 23:38 |
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| HtheB | (what was the code again for pastebin?) | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | hmm? | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | cat file | pastebinit? | 23:39 |
| HtheB | thnx | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | yw :) | 23:39 |
| HtheB | was tryin pastebin.com | 23:39 |
| HtheB | lol | 23:39 |
| HtheB | link | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 23:39 |
| HtheB | http://pastebin.com/tGE91ETz | 23:39 |
| HtheB | Do'h! | 23:39 |
| HtheB | http://pastebin.com/tGE81ETz | 23:40 |
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| HtheB | wth? | 23:40 |
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| HtheB | http://pastebin.com/eiYd2YiL | 23:40 |
| HtheB | finally ¬¬ | 23:40 |
| HtheB | that is the one on /etc/hildon/theme/transitions.ini | 23:41 |
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| MohammadAG | killall hildon-desktop | 23:41 |
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| HtheB | and this one is from /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini http://pastebin.com/3eLB2tAq | 23:42 |
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| HtheB | I already killed the destop a lot :( | 23:46 |
| HtheB | also rebooted | 23:46 |
| javispedro | moo RST38h | 23:47 |
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| RST38h | Hey javispedro | 23:47 |
| HtheB | is it saturation? | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd laugh my ass off when it turned out you can change the type of button to sliding-pushbutton in gtk-theme | 23:48 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: on gtk themes are binaries. you can virtually rm -rf $HOME when drawing a button ;) | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 23:50 |
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| javispedro | M$ choosing error messages as usual: "YOUR PHONE CAN'T BE RESTORED TO THE LATEST SOFTWARE RESTORE POINT. YOU CAN NOW DISCONNECT YOUR PHONE." | 23:51 |
| javispedro | (caps their own) | 23:51 |
| javispedro | http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-temporarily-disables-windows-phone-7-update-for-samsung-devices/ | 23:51 |
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| javispedro | FREENODE CAN'T BE RESTORED TO THE LATEST UPTIME RECORD. | 23:52 |
| javispedro | YOU CAN NOW QUIT YOUR IRC CLIENT. | 23:52 |
| HtheB | wtf | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Quack. | 23:52 |
| rm_work | lol | 23:52 |
| HtheB | xD | 23:52 |
| rm_work | free-pwnt | 23:52 |
| pupnik | funny how they broke samsung's wp7 while nokia was giving that presentation | 23:52 |
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| MohammadAG | at least they don't say you're holding it wrong | 23:53 |
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| HtheB | lols | 23:54 |
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| timeless | is anyone here having trouble using nickserv? | 23:55 |
| rm_work | well | 23:55 |
| ThreeM | overtake? | 23:55 |
| rm_work | there was a huge netsplit just now | 23:55 |
| ThreeM | ;) | 23:55 |
| rm_work | :P | 23:55 |
| rm_work | dunno if that affects things | 23:55 |
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