IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-02-07

VenemoDocScrutinizer51: don't worry, those libs should work okay.00:00
VenemoDocScrutinizer51: I also added you to the thanks section of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67139 's first post :)00:02
trumeeguys, somehow mc-tool doesnt want to run if i stick it in /etc/network/if-up.d/script00:02
ShadowJKDoes script get executed?00:04
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trumeeShadowJK: http://www.pastie.org/153518500:05
trumeeShadowJK: yes, it does get executed00:05
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trumeeShadowJK: it is just that mc-tool doesnt run in the script00:06
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ShadowJKhm :/00:07
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trumeeShadowJK: do i need a run-standalone.sh mc-tool00:08
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MohammadAGGAN900, don't make me visit florida00:09
DocScrutinizer51what's mc-tool00:09
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trumeeDocScrutinizer51: mission-control to control telepathy components00:10
VenemoMohammadAG: :D00:10
DocScrutinizer51AcoughA00:10
trumeeShadowJK: ah! it works00:10
trumeeShadowJK: yup, need that run-standalone.sh00:10
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trumeedoes openvpn run from its init script in N900?00:13
trumee /etc/init.d/openvpn00:13
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trumeei want to bring up openvpn via "if-pre-up.d" rather than manually using the openvpn applet00:14
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trumeeSo as soon i hit the Wifi connect button, openvpn gets triggered.00:16
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ShadowJKYeah it runs if you've got a configuration for it00:17
ShadowJKTry starting it manually first /etc/init.d/openvpn start00:17
trumeeShadowJK: how does it get the name of the conf file?00:19
ShadowJKprobably /etc/defaults/openvpn00:20
ShadowJKor something like that00:20
trumeeShadowJK: /etc/default/openvpn should have AUTOSTART="something"00:20
ShadowJKcheck the /etc/init.d/openvpn script, that's what I did00:20
ShadowJKOh and tunnel configs are probably in /etc/openvpn/00:20
trumeeShadowJK: right. it had something called $NAME00:20
trumeeShadowJK: init script refers to a $NAME.conf, no idea where it comes from though00:22
trxin C++ in, if (x = y && a = b) does && mean "AND" or "OR"?00:22
nox-and00:22
trxty00:22
nox-logical and not binary00:22
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Venemohey again00:22
pupnikfrozen lemons sound just like pool-balls when you clack them together00:23
BCMMthat makes a surprising amount of sense00:23
BCMMfrozen grapes are nasty00:23
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pupnik:)00:25
DocScrutinizer51probably also much easier to squeeze the juice out, one you froze and warmed up those lemmons00:28
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pupniktheoretically it should be DocScrutinizer5100:32
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GAN900MohammadAG, it's warm here. :P00:34
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BCMMMohammadAG: why does phone-control put run-standalone.sh before dbus-send commands?00:35
pupnikin addition they can be bought when cheap, frozen forever, and heated in microwave whenever you want a non-caffeine, non-alcoholic drink00:35
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Venemopupnik: sounds good00:40
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pupnikVenemo: i can't share anything else useful :)00:41
Venemopupnik: :)00:41
pupnikexcept anybody in UK who wants to buy soem great pasta-sauce i found another source00:41
MohammadAGBCMM, if you do a sudo dbus-send it fails00:41
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pupnikasian/thai style - it's soo good, but they don't ship to germany00:42
BCMMMohammadAG: ah, it only works normally because of some bit of the environment...00:42
BCMM(by normally, i meant from bash)00:42
Venemodoes someone have an N810 and ~5 minutes for me?00:42
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pupnikWhat's the question Venemo00:44
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DocScrutinizer51BCMM: session bus - ponder the word00:45
BCMMDocScrutinizer51: :)00:45
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Venemopupnik: I'd like to see how puzzle-master runs on N81000:47
Venemopupnik: if you're willing to test, I'll make you a .deb00:47
BCMMMohammadAG: do you accept extra functions for phone-control? seems like determining current profile is a missing feature.00:47
pupniki can't - stolen00:47
Venemopupnik :(00:48
BCMM(i've just made a script to enable the general profile, make some noise, and then return to whichever profile was in use before)00:48
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MohammadAGBCMM, I think I did that00:51
MohammadAGphone-control --profileset without any parameters00:52
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BCMMMohammadAG: oh, sorry - --help doesn't mention that00:53
MohammadAGBCMM, sorry, was a newbie back then :P00:53
BCMMat least i learned a little awk00:54
MohammadAG--ledon shows patterns if no patterns are specified00:54
trumeeShadowJK: init script craps out, http://www.pastie.org/153530500:55
ShadowJKI've never tried "status" :)00:57
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trumeeShadowJK: where does the log of openvpn go?00:59
trumeeShadowJK: it might be necessary to look into the log, if i ever had trouble with openvpn00:59
ShadowJKsyslog, which is nonexistant on maemo unless you have syslogd package installed00:59
ShadowJKwhich fills up rootfs if you leave it running00:59
trumeeah, crap. i dont want syslogd01:00
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trumeeMohammadAG, what is new in mc in extras-devel?01:31
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trumeeMohammadAG, seems you are the maintainer of mc.01:33
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Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: I found a bunch of bugs :(02:21
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GeneralAntillesHaving MWKN to make it easier to stay informed about what's going on is kind of defeating by having to be informed to write the summaries. . . .03:30
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JartzaSources: Nokia to Abandon Symbian/Meego, Adopt Windows Phone 7, and Move its HQ to U.S.05:09
Jartzahttp://technmarketing.com/cellphone/sources-nokia-to-abandon-symbianmeego-adopt-windows-phone-7-and-move-its-hq-to-u-s/05:09
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Jartza:)05:11
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wmaronemore "this will get me page hits!" crap05:12
Jartzayeah05:12
wmaronedo you have an interest in that page?05:12
wmaronesomeone paying you to link it?05:12
Jartzanope05:12
Jartzanope05:13
JartzaI myself have a lot of interest to maemo & meego05:13
wmaronewhy is it the ones who claim to have an interest, always latch on to whatever random speculation trickles across the web?05:14
Jartzajust thought to share that crap, because I'm bored :)05:14
Jartza'cause it's 5:14am :P05:14
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Ken-YoungYeah, Findland's definately going to let Nokia move its headquarters to the US.05:16
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Ken-YoungThey won't mind their largest company leaving.05:16
Ken-Youngs/Findland/Finland/05:18
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Jartzawell they don't Want To, that's for sure.05:22
Jartzabut I'm actually not sure what could they do, if Nokia really wanted to.05:22
wmaronestart pulling all those nice things they gave Nokia05:22
Jartzatrue. we spend money on Nokia.05:23
Jartza:)05:23
Ken-YoungIsn't Nokia, even now, something like 10% of the market cap of all Finnish corporations?05:25
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pupnikit was cool to see 'normal' people carrying N900s in finland05:33
Ken-Youngpupnik, I have *never* run into anyone else with an N900.05:34
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pupnikwhere U at Ken-Young05:35
Ken-YoungCambridge, Massachusetts, USA (next to Boston)05:35
Ken-YoungI would have expected to have at least seen someone near MIT with one, but no.05:36
wmaroneKen-Young: it's the US, minority of a minority :)05:37
wmaronemost I've ever seen at once was at the meego developer day back in september05:37
Ken-Youngwmarone, Do a lot of Meego folks carry one?05:38
wmaronethere were at least 5-7 people with them05:38
wmaronesome had N8s05:38
wmaroneI think a lot of people at the meeting were just05:38
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wmarone"app developers" with no particular interest in any specific handset or platform05:39
Jartzahmmh05:40
JartzaI have a lot of friends with N900 :)05:40
Ken-YoungI'm jealous05:40
Jartzaquite a "normal phone" here05:40
Ken-YoungJartza, Where is "here" for you?05:40
JartzaFinland, surely :)05:41
Ken-YoungPeople in the US don't even know how to pronounce Nokia.05:41
JartzaNo wonder.05:41
JartzaI've heard it quite often, people speaking Finnish sound to US people like we're MEANING IT! :)05:42
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pupnikJartza: particularly women05:49
pupnikit's quite sexy05:49
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Jartza:)05:50
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Jartzaoh well. anyways, lot of those "analysts" who want to see Nokia create WP7 don't realize it would also be a mistake :)05:51
JartzaI'm not convinced that Nokia should sacrifice everything just to get to US market of 300M people.05:52
Ken-YoungJartza, But I think we can safely assume that Nokia does know it would be a mistake.05:52
Jartzait would kick back on other markets :(05:52
JartzaKen-Young: hopefully :)05:52
pupnikJartza: i think the 'analysts' are stupid cattle themselves05:56
pupnik'oh look, i'm in the middle of a herd, and it's running this way'05:56
GAN900WP7 wont actually help in the US anyway.05:57
GAN900Nokia's US fix is easy.05:57
Ken-YoungAnd what is that fix?05:57
GAN900Clean house in NokiaUSA and play ball with the carriers.05:57
GAN900Nokia's failure in the US doesn't have more of a source than Nokia itself.05:58
GAN900Phone releases were delayed by months or years, software updates were at least 6 months behind the rest if the planet and warranty service was about as bad as it could get.05:59
GAN900So they alienated their existing customers06:00
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GAN900and couldn't get any new ones since they wouldn't play ball with carriers or market their products.06:00
pupnikwhat exactly does 'playing ball' mean?06:01
Jartzaallow carrier customizations, for starters.06:01
Jartzafix the syncing problems.06:01
Jartzadeliver software updates.06:02
pupnik'syncing problems' means what?06:02
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pupnikand is that 'easy'?06:03
JartzaI've struggled with many Nokia phones (mainly symbian) and corporate emails/calendars/contactbooks...06:03
Jartzaand I'm not the only one. MfE is a joke.06:03
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Jartzaeasy and working sync to exchange/others would be on top of my list.06:04
Jartzapush enabled would be even nicer :)06:04
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GAN900pupnik, yes, Nokia treated the carriers to all or nothing negotiations.06:05
GAN900Which means nobody ever saw their products.06:06
GAN900pupnik, Apple can do it, Google can do it, Microsoft can too.06:06
pupnikGAN900: i know someone whose full-time job is making that stuff work06:07
pupnikfor relatively small clients06:07
pupnikdoesn't seem 'easy'06:07
pupnikmaking it work between microsoft-microsoft06:08
pupnikand now google-microsoft06:08
* GAN900 shrugs06:09
GAN900One problem of many06:09
GAN900and hardly the biggest.06:09
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pupniksoftware updates is like telling mercedes they need to facelift their cars more often06:14
wmaronephones are more flexible than cars, in that respect06:15
wmaroneand hell, if my car's software was significantly updated, I'd want an upgrade06:15
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JartzaI've gotten a software update to my car every time I've taken it to the regular service :)06:17
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pupnikPerhaps they should relase a US 'os update' consisting of a new ringtone, soundboard and theme :)06:18
pupnikWe'll call it 'sarcastic marketing'06:19
pupnikor 'openly sarcastic marketing'06:19
wmaroneor they could do it realisticly, and get out there06:19
pupnikto cash-in on buzzwords :)06:19
wmaroneI'll continue buying only unlocked devices :)06:19
pupnik'defective by design' is a market strategy06:21
pupnik'get it out the door and sell units - we'll fix it later'06:22
wmaroneright, which is why I don't buy Motorola devices06:22
pupnikhaven't used any06:22
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GAN900pupnik, the software updates were produced and released.06:34
GAN900pupnik, NokiaUSA just took an extra 6 months to release them for US devices.06:35
GAN900pupnik, why so defensive of the company.06:35
GAN900?06:35
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aapexit06:46
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MohammadAGtrumee, Andrew's the new maintainer06:46
MohammadAG~seen zap06:47
infobotzap <~zap@213.59.86.89> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 41d 17h 47m 53s ago, saying: 'good'.06:47
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pupnikGAN900: just making conversation06:52
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pupnikGAN900: i'm a bit tired of people having opinions06:58
pupniktoo often it's like having an opinion of why a cloud is a certain shape06:59
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GAN900Hehe07:05
GAN900I can sympathize.07:05
GAN900pupnik, but you're wrong. *g*07:06
pupnik what about07:10
pupniknotice the american formulation - "you ARE wrong"07:10
pupnika person isn't wrong07:10
pupniknor is a person right07:10
pupnika statement might be though07:10
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jonwilYAY, my N900 is back08:21
jonwiland they seem to have replaced it rather than fixed it08:21
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* Dhraakellian uninstalls kontact touch08:25
Dhraakellianinteresting to look at08:25
Dhraakellianbut too slow and battery-hungry to use much08:25
Dhraakellian...and the whole libclucene0ldbl dependency conflict with clucene-core was really annoying08:26
Dhraakelliansince I had to uninstall katana and sword16 every time I wanted to do any package management whatsoever08:26
Dhraakellianand then reinstall katana08:26
Dhraakellianrather annoying08:27
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jonwilNow I just need to reinstall all my apps and stuff :(08:42
franz_anyone here know what's the proper way to set a shell variable in a .desktop file?08:42
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franz_I wanna export a different input method for an application than the systemwide one, am I better off linking to a shell script that oes that?08:43
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achipaX-Fade: do you have a provider url/file for the REST stuff ?10:41
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Venemo_N900hi12:06
Venemo_N900achipa: ping12:06
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zlimvosso, any ideas for apps to take with me on a long trip to asia? (mostly offline)12:42
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zlimvosor games ^^12:42
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yacczlimvos, well, you could start by browsing for the best deals in prepaid SIM cards with a data plan? *lol*12:53
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zlimvosyacc: lol well ill have a look but ill be between laos, cambodia, vietnam and avoiding cities, so data looks long shot12:58
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DocScrutinizerfranz_: exec=SHELLVAR=val binary13:37
DocScrutinizerfranz_: or exec=sh -c 'SHELLVAR=val binary'13:38
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yacczlimvos, that's hard, the N900 is not that classical "toy" phone ;(13:40
yacczlimvos, it's really a workhorse, ...13:40
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yacczlimvos, there are few things that you cannot set up with it network-wise, ...13:42
yacczlimvos, but games, well, you are basically down to Linux games, a small screen compared to usual Linux desktops, and in the European version no real cursor keys either, ...13:46
pupnikis the usa the only hypernationalistic country that still sings the national fascist brainwashed monkey anthem at every sporting event?13:46
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Arkenoiactually n900 is quite decent portable gaming platform. better than iphone as emulations and virtual machines are ok as well13:48
psycho_oreoszlimvos, supposedly games from openpandora (notably running usual console games through emulator) can work on n900, as well as games from latter palm devices13:48
pupnikthe n900 has buttons13:48
pupnikand replaceable battery13:48
lardman|goneWho can promote a package from extras-devel to -testing?13:49
lardman|goneonly the original uploader?13:50
psycho_oreosit goes by vote iirc13:50
lardman|goneno, that's from -testing to extras proper13:50
lardman|goneafair anyway13:50
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RobbieThe1stGaming wise, I really like ScummVM on the n900 - Games like Legend of Kyrandia work great, have good performance and sound!13:59
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jogasnes emulator is really great too14:00
RobbieThe1stAnd - imho - is the sort of game -for- a mobile platform; not a twitch game14:00
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DocScrutinizerlardman|gone: the pkg maintainer14:24
lardman|gonedocscrutinizer: ok14:24
lardman|gonethanks14:24
DocScrutinizerlardman|gone: I heard there's a way to claim ownership/maintainer-status of a pkg14:24
DocScrutinizerask MohammadAG14:25
DocScrutinizeror anybody else here who's better on those details14:25
lardman|gonewell I could upload a new version with a different control file I guess, but no need, just have to wait14:25
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lcukn900hey guys.  can you tell me if liqbook on extras-devel is working and readable please.14:26
lcukn900I uploaded it during fosdem but my internet has been choppy14:26
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DocScrutinizerlo lcukn90014:26
lcukn900hi14:27
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SpeedEvilOh - cool 'legit' app for open-source cellmo. Emulating SIMs in software. Multiple SIMs per phone.14:31
DocScrutinizerVLC vulnerability in <v1.1.7: Security Advisory 1102: Insufficient input validation in MKV demuxer  http://www.videolan.org/security/sa1102.html14:31
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: WUT?14:32
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SpeedEvilCan't be done on n900 of course.14:32
DocScrutinizerunfeasible without either A) hacking cmt FW, or B) a hw hack to emulate the SIM bit bitbanging the IO from APE14:33
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SpeedEvilIn principle could be done on FR, as I understand it.14:33
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SpeedEvilyes14:33
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: nope, not even on FR14:34
lardman|gonelcukn900: just waiting for HAM14:34
SpeedEvilYou can apparantly extract the secrets from the SIM 'easily' if you have an opensource basestation.14:34
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DocScrutinizerhaha14:34
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: As you set a weak encryption that you can break. This was mentioned in passing in one of Harald Weltes talks at defcon1814:34
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: (FR) maybe with AT+CSIM I pushed into moko1014:35
lardman|gonelcukn900: I see no liqbook14:35
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I was meaning running the open-source calypso code.14:35
DocScrutinizeraaah14:35
DocScrutinizeryeah, of course with openBB you could do such things14:36
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SpeedEvilOnly if you can extract the SIM secrets - which is the other half.14:36
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DocScrutinizer:nod:14:36
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DocScrutinizeronce you got that PKI or what it's called, it is a straighforward task, given you have access to cmt<->SIM interface14:37
SpeedEvilIt's also fun of course, in that you only need momentary access to someones phone to pop out their SIM, read it (admittedly with your backpack basestation), and make calls asthem.14:37
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SpeedEvil(after returning their SIM)14:38
DocScrutinizerthat's how SIM cloners work14:38
SpeedEvilSIM cloners don't work with recent cards.14:38
DocScrutinizerI know14:38
SpeedEvilAIUI - at least the older models - don't know if there are new ones that do the above dance.14:38
DocScrutinizera BTS based attack might work, admittedly14:38
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lcukn900wtf check autobuilder and somebody please fix14:39
DocScrutinizernah, you only can read out old models of SIM14:39
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lcukn900resudmit it or something, check packages ui14:39
DocScrutinizernew ones are "unbreakable"14:39
lcukn900http://maemo.org/packages/view/liqbook/14:41
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lcukn900wtf please someone fix this and get it n fremantle14:41
DocScrutinizerI never wrapped my head around all operation modes of AT+CSIM, but it seems to me you could do all the things you could do with a SIM in a card reader, or with a cloned SIM in the cmt14:42
DocScrutinizerlcukn900: *someone*?14:42
DocScrutinizerlcukn900: I guess you meant X-Fade PIIIING14:43
lcukn900anyone!  doc read it.14:43
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lardman|gonelcukn900: it says it doesn't have a proper desc14:43
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lardman|goneperhaps that's what's stopping it?14:43
lcukn900i cannot get into my scratchbox or anything, my harddrive is broke14:43
DocScrutinizerouch14:44
lcukn900doc build/run/read it.14:44
DocScrutinizerlcukn900: I dunno how to build, what to run, and what you mean by read14:44
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lardman|gonelcukn900: sorry I'm at work so no build machine to hand14:45
lcukn900download it, type "make'14:45
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lcukn900or even run the mpackage.sh14:45
DocScrutinizerlol, I suppose you meant in SB14:45
lcukn900yes.14:45
DocScrutinizernfc14:45
DocScrutinizernever did that14:46
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DocScrutinizerwell I did once, for kernel14:46
DocScrutinizernow my HDD is fsckd as well, almost14:46
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DocScrutinizerlcukn900: find a devel, I'm just a stupid poject lead and designer/architect. No clue about building14:48
lardmanlcukn900: give me 30min and I'll do it when I pop home14:48
lcukn900thanks14:49
lcukn900<lcukn900> I sign off on the book with:14:49
lcukn900<lcukn900> Gary Birkett,14:49
lcukn900<lcukn900> Smile Architect.14:49
lcukn900<KotCzarny> :)14:49
lcukn900<lcukn900> mohammad was right to take a screenshot.14:50
lardmanAs, so lcukn900 is in fact a Lip Augmentation Enhancement Surgeon?14:50
lcukn900:)14:51
DocScrutinizerlcukn900: I.E. I for sure can (learn to) build a working pkg, maybe even build (aka clone) a new one, but I'm the wrong guy for fixing things with build process ;-)14:52
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DocScrutinizererr14:55
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DocScrutinizergoogle chrome vulnerability: affected: all systems < Version 9.0.597.84.    9 bugs fixed,  severity: DoS, code injection, privilege escalation15:01
DocScrutinizerhttp://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2011/02/stable-channel-update.html15:02
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DocScrutinizerAnthony Laforge?? o.O15:05
DocScrutinizerhehe15:06
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lardman|homelcukn900: ping15:51
lardman|homeI have committed a cardinal sin, I let bacon go out of date in the fridge15:51
lcukn900hey lardman15:51
lardman|homeI really don't know how this happened15:51
lardman|homeam home, will try a build for you if you still need it?15:51
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lcukn900that is not good.15:51
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lardman|homewose is that I was just in the shop buying nice fresh bread rolls for my bacon roll lunch :(15:52
lcukn900yes please15:52
lardman|homeand didn't bother with more bacon15:52
lcukn900i might go to my mums.  she has good bacon.15:52
lardman|homequite a long way for me to go in my lunch break ;)15:52
lcukn900next time you are in Manchester, I am sure we can find somewhere to get one.15:53
lardman|homesounds good15:53
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* lardman|home looks for liqbook source15:54
lcukn900autobuilder for n8x0 worked and put it into devel15:54
lardman|homesame code?15:54
lcukn900its on maemo servers15:54
lcukn900yes15:54
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rsahdui need help, on maemo platform , i need  a way to receive an screen change event on a mobile device (dali)15:54
lcukn900i submitted at same time15:54
lcukn900so code is on maemo.org15:54
lcukn900apt-get source liqbook15:54
lcukn900it builds and runs, i have tested it on various devices now15:55
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lcukn900it might come up being a bit small, but to make it bigger, just use the q and w keys15:56
rsahdui need help, on maemo platform , i need  a way to receive an screen change event on a mobile device (dali)15:56
lcukn900it resizes it,  i think it will be visible from orbit.15:56
lcukn900rsahdu dali in public, really?15:56
ShadowJKWhat's dali?15:57
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ShadowJKlol15:57
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lardman|homelcukn900: what do you want me to do with the built package?15:59
ShadowJKrofl, googling it turns up picture of a 77015:59
lcukn900lardman, read it.16:00
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lardman|homewhat, the app?16:00
lcukn900then find out why its broke and submit it back to builder16:00
lcukn900yes, read liqbook16:00
lardman|homewell it builds fine here16:00
lcukn900yes, it does here too.16:00
lcukn900read it carefully16:01
lcukn900and let it sink in16:01
lardman|homeyou sound like you're about to start a cult ;)16:01
lcukn900I was talking to someone from the FSF last night and showed him the half sketch version of gpl16:01
DocScrutinizercult of devine liq16:01
lardman|homeI think the reason it didn't work is that the description was broken16:01
DocScrutinizerwell, that's a rather usual cause16:02
lardman|homeit built fine, just wasn't imported to the repo16:02
lardman|homethough tbh I can't see how it's broken, looks ok to me16:03
lcukn900doc, Smile Architect.16:03
DocScrutinizernon printable chars?16:03
lcukn900prototype16:03
lcukn900http://liqbase.net/liq.20081126_224040.gary.scr.png16:03
DocScrutinizerLOL16:04
lcukn900this is a screenshot of liqbook: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110131_081956.liqbookreader.scr.png16:05
ShadowJKyou wouldnt want to read my handwriting16:06
lcukn900but you have to read it yourself to see the big picture.16:06
lcukn900shadowjk, many people say the same thing.16:06
ShadowJKit's as decipherable as the voynich manuscript16:07
DocScrutinizerthere's basically no such thing like "my handwriting" - since decades :-P16:07
lcukn900my handwriting is not good, but this takes the best example of each letter, and your most careful attempts and so shows your ideal writing16:07
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lardman|homeyour app depends on wget, is that normal?16:08
DocScrutinizerthe last handwriting I did was that strike thing on palm pilot, 10 years ago16:08
lcukn900yeah lardman, historical thing i never got round to cleaning out16:08
lardman|homethat makes it uninstallable for me16:09
lcukn900doc, read the book.  ask questions later16:09
lcukn900hm?16:09
DocScrutinizerbook?16:09
lcukn900patch it out16:09
lcukn900liqbook16:09
lcukn900liqbook16:09
lcukn900liqbook16:09
lardman|homeis it actually required though?16:09
lcukn900not in this immediately16:10
DocScrutinizerI guess coffee doesn't kick in today. I'm missing to get the picture at large16:10
lcukn900i believe it was used to download pictures right at the start16:10
lardman|homehmm, I can't even see where the dep is16:10
lardman|homelibliqbase116:10
lcukn900yeah grep source for wget16:11
lardman|homeI think you might be asking for a specific version too, as I do have wget installed but it wanted to install a new version16:11
lardman|homelcukn900: sorry I don't have time to do libliqbase too atm16:11
lardman|homeI thought you just wanted a built and re-upload16:11
lcukn900ok16:11
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lcukn900i dont understand why its not installable16:12
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lcukn900lardman - liqcalendar has same deps and installs everywhere16:13
* lcukn900 curious16:13
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* DocScrutinizer is puzzled about whether liqbook is a reader, a novel, a fontset, or whatever16:16
lcukn900x-fade, ping can you please wiggle maemo server16:16
lcukn900doc, read it and tell me what it is.16:17
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lcukn900i have heard people say its a digital love letter.16:17
DocScrutinizerI FSCKNG HAVE NO CLUE what to read!16:17
lcukn900run liqbook16:18
DocScrutinizermeh16:18
lcukn900it has the text inside.16:18
lcukn900to explain16:18
DocScrutinizerI *NEVER* ever am going to install any app to just find out what it is. I usually make nasty jokes about noobs doing that16:19
mairasX-Fade, whom should we contact to get the pyside-* packages removed from extras-devel?16:20
DocScrutinizerI'm not even clicking URLs to find out what they are about, without prior hint16:20
RST38hWell. Moo all.16:20
DocScrutinizermoo RST38h16:20
RST38hX-Fade: Please note that qthello is *still* broken in the Extras* repo16:20
mairasthey're ancient and obsolete and the correct ones are python-pyside-*16:20
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RST38hX-Fade: Why not flush the package and make autobuilder rebuild it?16:20
X-FadeRST38h: Because debian repos can't overwrite. It needs to be removed and re-numbered then.16:22
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DocScrutinizer""I installed destructive-badblock-test app to see what it does. PLZ HLP!! my data is gone!!1!!111eleven"" MUHAHAHA¬°16:26
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DocScrutinizers/destructive-badblock-test/<random app>/ where liqbook is element of <random app>16:29
SpeedEvilRandom - http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs - does anyone happen to know who runs this?16:30
DocScrutinizernslu, hmm not really16:30
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SpeedEvilI should wander over to the IRC and ask I suppose.16:31
DocScrutinizernslu2-log: info16:31
DocScrutinizernslu2-log: help16:32
DocScrutinizernslu2-log: status16:32
DocScrutinizerI'm inclined to kickban the bot :-S16:32
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: has nslu2-log clearance to hang around here? Bots default to invite-only (irc policy), esp those who don't properly identify who's their master and contact addr16:36
* SpeedEvil notices he has 499 karma.16:37
* SpeedEvil ponders if he can be bothered to do something to add one.16:37
DocScrutinizerhehe, I crossed 500 some days ago ;-D16:37
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: don't so it. You'll feel old all of a sudden :-P16:38
aboyeri have some ARM NEON code using 64bit registers that compiles and runs fine on the N900. when i port the algorithm to 128bit data types and instructions, it segfaults. why is this happening?16:41
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: /ns info nslu2-log16:41
SpeedEviloh - that works too - thanks!16:41
lardmanre16:42
DocScrutinizertbh nslu logs are poor anyway16:42
DocScrutinizerno search, to start with16:43
SpeedEvilGoogle search.16:43
DocScrutinizermeh16:43
SpeedEvilI'm trying to get a particular bit of info off the internet.16:43
DocScrutinizerlol16:44
DocScrutinizersisyphos?16:44
SpeedEvilActually - not that bad. Google has 22 hits16:45
SpeedEvilAnd most of those are multiples of the same datasource.16:45
DocScrutinizerhmm16:45
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DocScrutinizercommonly attributed as mission impossible anyway16:46
DocScrutinizereach action taken to get it down actually increases the number of links and attention for it16:47
SpeedEvilDepends.16:47
SpeedEvilI don't care about the attention of the people I'm making the requests to - the data is not of itself interesting.16:48
DocScrutinizerwell, as long as distributing the info isn't incriminated by itself, most parties won't even listen16:49
DocScrutinizerof course you can change this by offering reasonable donations for compensating the work to clean all files and databases16:50
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: for nslu2-log on #maemo though your chances are good. I would consider it at least rogue to log this chan without proper notice to chan owner, who in turn has to inform chan users about the fact16:54
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DocScrutinizeractually chanops and esp chan owner could require nslu2-log to take down complete #maemo logs (unless of course there actually had been granted an explicit permission to nslu2-log to do what they do, which I doubt as the bot doesn't comply with the requirements for IRC bots, regarding "impressum"[aka contact])16:58
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: ask mgedmin16:59
DocScrutinizerhe might know some details16:59
* mgedmin doesn't17:00
DocScrutinizerk, sorry then :-D17:00
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DocScrutinizeranybody inclined to explain to me wheter that's fishy or I missed a #ifdef ? please.  http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_regs.h#278   http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_regs.h#48017:22
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DocScrutinizeralso I'm a bit lost about which value (0x02 or 0x04) actually is used right now, e.g. in http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_host.c#14417:25
DocScrutinizerhints appreciated17:25
MrBawbDocScrutinizer: the ifdef is 216-442, is that what you were looking for?17:28
MrBawbCONFIG_BLACKFIN17:28
DocScrutinizeri guess that'S what I'm looking for, lemme check17:28
DocScrutinizerthanks. Yes, kate fooled me, by foling in the else branch as well :-S17:30
DocScrutinizerfolding*17:30
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DocScrutinizer~lart kate17:33
* infobot executes killall -KILL kate17:33
DocScrutinizer~botsback17:34
DocScrutinizer~botsnack17:34
infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer17:34
DocScrutinizer~botsmack17:34
infobotOWW!17:34
Shapeshifterthere was some way to see the total downloads for a package and trends and whatnot, how did that work again'17:35
Shapeshifter?17:35
DocScrutinizerthere's a rather hidden "statistics" link somehwere17:35
DocScrutinizerjust can't find it17:39
DocScrutinizer:-/17:39
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Shapeshifterhttp://maemo.dadablog.net/AppStats.php?package=alarmed&os=fremantle this is pretty decent17:40
Shapeshifterit scrapes the statistics page you probably mean17:40
DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/starhash-enabler/#17:40
DocScrutinizer"download statistics"17:41
anidelDownloads: 161422 wow.. quite some17:41
anidelyeah the statistics are at that link indeed17:41
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crashanddieYou got to love it, you write a lot of code, and because you know exactly what you want to achieve and how to do it, you write *a lot* before compiling/testing it17:48
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crashanddieSo you save, get ready for testing, get ready to be hit with a few thousand lines of errors, forgotten semicolons and or typos in variables17:48
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crashanddieyou compile, get maybe... a couple of errors, fair enough, I'm not that bad after all17:48
crashanddieTest it, and... nothing17:48
crashanddienada, niet, niks.17:49
crashanddieFucking editors saving into the wrong files.17:49
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: :-/17:50
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GAN900crashanddie, yo.17:51
crashanddieyo17:52
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dewilmanhi17:53
chem|sthi dewilman17:54
GAN900crashanddie, so what have we learned? :P17:54
dewilmanhow are u ?17:55
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chem|styeaha, found time to upgrade update and download all the new shyt... 4 weeks without device and you get surprised what's new and shiny after a while ;)17:56
chem|stI'm fine an U?17:56
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crashanddieGAN900, contextual information is actually important?17:59
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: \o/18:26
DocScrutinizerfeels like xmas, no?18:26
DocScrutinizerchem|st: seen marble?18:27
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: yeah and Columbus and and lots of upgrades...18:47
Venemogood afternoon everyone18:48
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Venemoachipa: ping18:52
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_Rui_hello19:17
_Rui_how can I install curl/libcurl on my N900?19:18
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slonopotamusapt-get install libcurl3?19:18
zlimvosany ideas how to download maps to use offline with maep? mappero acts tricky..19:18
Proteousyou can do it through the OVI software19:21
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clawhey there i am using "Faster Application Manager" and wanted to add maemo.org repositories. I filled the fields with URL: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ | Distribution: fremantle | Components: free non-free19:28
clawis that right ?19:28
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clawis says 404 for that19:28
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achipaVenemo: pong ?19:29
clawi tryed to add the repos by editting /etc/apt/sources.list but it does not make any difference19:29
Venemoachipa: :)19:29
Venemoachipa: you work at Forum Nokia right?19:30
achipaVenemo: hey, that is intimate question...19:30
achipa:P19:31
Venemoachipa: not intimate at all. I think you mentioned it either at TMO or the mailing list. I'm just not entirely sure :P19:31
achipabut yes, FN might have to do something with me enjoying the beautiful and rather long Finnish winter :)19:31
Venemoachipa: :)19:32
Venemoachipa: I don't know if you have anything to do with the Symbian team over there, but do you have any pointers for setting up a Symbian dev environment under Linux?19:32
achipaSymwho ? :D We don't do that - some indt guys did some hacks, tho, iirc19:34
achipaVenemo: remote compiler is still way easier (and slower :) )19:35
zlimvosProteous: I am interested in the 'open source' maps like virtual earth and virtual earth satelite, i didnt find anything related to OVI store19:35
Venemoachipa: 'slower' is the part I'm worried about :S19:35
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Venemoachipa: can I also run the remote compiled binary on my device?19:35
achipaVenemo: umm, yes, that's the whole point :)19:36
trumeeguys. is if-down.d called when i go outside the range of wifi?19:36
achipaVenemo: no debug tho19:36
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Venemoachipa: mhm19:36
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Venemoachipa: I don't see any option to set the remote compiler or my symbian device as a target19:36
achipaVenemo: ? add target, remote compiler, and set the symbian version there19:37
Venemoachipa: the add target is greyed out.19:37
Venemoachipa: the remote compiler is there in tools/options/qt419:38
Venemoachipa: but I can't add it as a target :S19:38
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makulkarhey guys, is there a default file browser/manager in n90019:39
trumeebecause i had a script in /etc/network/if-down.d which wasnt executed when i walked outside the range of the wifi19:39
achipaVenemo: check if the plugin is enabled19:39
achipain qtc19:39
Venemoachipa: where can I check that?19:39
achipaVenemo: help->about plugins19:39
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andre__makulkar, yes.19:40
makulkarandre, that is?19:40
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Venemoachipa: I don't see it there19:40
andre__makulkar, nameless19:41
makulkarandre, Ok I can not find terminal either.19:41
andre__osso file manager or so?19:41
achipaumm... first things first... do you have a FN account and did you enable it in qtc ?19:41
andre__makulkar, well, where are you searching?19:41
makulkarandre, I have copied some .deb files over to mass storage and need to install19:41
makulkarandre, search app19:41
andre__erm. file manager and terminal are definitely in the application list.19:42
andre__what search app?19:42
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Venemoachipa: according to some people, it works on Wine19:43
makulkarandre, nope looked at all apps cant find either one :(19:43
achipaVenemo: what ? the symbian stuff ? could be, I never bothered with doing it through wine19:43
andre__makulkar, what search app?!19:44
andre__I have no idea what you talk about.19:44
Venemoachipa: and there are also some site that has some patched stuff so it works on Linux19:44
Venemoachipa: http://www.martin.st/symbian/19:44
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Venemoachipa: but for now I'd just like to try the remote compiler19:46
achipaVenemo: okay, okay, I know it can be done, it's just that it's fussy :) I'm not that big of a symbian fan to push me over the edge and suffer through that :)19:46
achipaVenemo: sooo... FN account set up and terms accepted ?19:46
achipa(plus, I don't have a symbian device which kinda lowers the motivation :) )19:47
Venemoachipa: I suppose I may have an FN account, but I haven't heard of any terms. I accepted the terms for the SDK when I installed it though.19:47
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Venemoachipa: really sorry for bothering you, but I think you're the most friendly person in that company :)19:48
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achipaVenemo: hehe :D19:49
Venemoachipa: I don't have one either19:49
achipaVenemo: but anyway, tools -> options -> qt4 -> remote compiler tab.... IIRC19:49
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Venemoachipa: however the department of applied informatics could lend me one until I port my app :)19:50
Venemoachipa: there is no such tab, sorry19:50
achipawait, that tab moves around a bit... lemme check...19:50
achipaVenemo: yeah, sorry, projects, not qt419:51
achipaif you don't have a remote compiler tab there ,you dont have it installed19:51
achipa(-> updater time !)19:51
Venemoachipa: guess what. it appears in the crappy version that came with the SDK, but it doesn't with the better version (nightly) that I installed separately19:52
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achipaVenemo: nightlies are cheating ! :D but true enough, it's a separate plugin19:53
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achipa(i.e. it's not part of qtcreator and hence you won't have it in the nightly)19:53
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Venemoachipa: any easy way to enable it in the nightly or should I just use the crappy version?19:54
achipaVenemo: you might try to copy over the plugin .so, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was an API break19:55
Venemoachipa: ookay, trying19:55
achipaQtSDK/QtCreator/lib/qtcreator/plugins/Nokia/RemoteCompiler.pluginspec and libRemoteCompiler.so19:56
achipaVenemo: ^^19:56
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Venemoachipa: Could not resolve dependency 'Qt4ProjectManager(2.0.95)'19:57
achipabah, as suspected19:58
Venemoachipa: tried to edit the .pluginspec and removed the dependeny, but the failed with some other .so19:59
Venemoachipa: I'll restort to using the crappy version then19:59
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achipareminds me of publishing that nightly blog...20:02
achipaconfusing developers in 3...2..1...20:03
merlin1991where where where20:03
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achipahttp://qt-funk.blogspot.com/2011/02/living-on-nightly-qtcreator-edge.html20:03
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achipanot exactly rocket science, but hey, I'm sure there are lost souls who don't know about it20:04
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Venemobah, sorry I got disconnected... forgot to plug in power to my laptop and the battery got exhausted20:04
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Venemoanyway, brb.20:07
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* Venemo is back20:24
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Venemoachipa: thanks for your help. I seem to be able to set it up now20:35
achipaVenemo:  (Y)20:36
Venemoachipa: :)20:36
Venemoachipa: however I can't find the option to run on a device20:36
RST38hTI announces OMAP 5: two high-performance and two low-power cores, devices next year20:37
achipamore like 2013... still, those A15s are going to kick butt...20:37
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Venemoachipa: I hope the remote compiler servers have a good performance :P20:40
achipaVenemo: they should20:41
Venemoachipa: oh crap20:41
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Venemoachipa: /home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/PUZZLE-MASTER_0XE5B4435F.MMP:35: error: possible real start of unterminated constant ----> there's not even a file with this name.20:42
Venemoachipa: it however compiles for both Maemo and desktop correctly.20:43
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RST38h"Well-placed sources at Nokia suggest Stephen Elop is considering shifting the executive centre of gravity to Silicon Valley, creating a virtual HQ in the United States."20:45
Venemoachipa: I think my best bet is a Windows VM.20:45
RST38hIn other words, he hates Finland weather =)20:45
Venemohehe RST38h20:46
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MohammadAGlol RST38h20:47
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Venemoachipa: also, I wanted to ask, do you have an N810 and ~10 minutes of your time?20:49
achipaI have an n810... but it's not at hand ATM :(20:50
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Venemoachipa: if you have it at hand, please look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6945420:56
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achipaVenemo: oookay... not sure I will be of much use tho - I have the stock Qt libs with Qt4.720:58
achipareplaced with20:58
Venemoachipa: hmm. I didn't know 4.7 was possible on N8x020:58
achipaVenemo: it is - it's slower than 4.5, tho, that's why I didn't push it20:59
achipaplus my hack misses all the integrations the 4.5 had20:59
achipabut since I use QML I don't really care about the menu/widget/stuff20:59
Venemoachipa: does N810 have an accelerometer?20:59
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Venemoachipa: also, what's the #ifdef for Diablo?21:00
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: heh, I sympathise with that guy21:07
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vi_what shit is going down yo?21:09
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vi_is it possible to install the maemo build chain on the n900?21:10
Venemovi_: it is, you just need lots of free rootfs21:10
vi_i have 10gb XD21:11
DocScrutinizermakulkar: ossofilemanager on fremantle - no idea about harmattan ;-)21:11
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Venemowhat the hell is this?21:11
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VenemoReading debug information failed:21:11
Venemo"/home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master-build-maemo/build/puzzle-master": could not open as an executable file: Invalid bfd target21:11
makulkarDocScrutinizer, flashed rnd image things working fine again21:11
DocScrutinizersorry, I never heard of rnd image21:12
vi_does anyone here know anything about perl on the n900?21:12
DocScrutinizervi_: 10GB for sure isn't rootfs, if it comes to N900 maemo21:13
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Venemovi_: rootfs is 256 MB afaik21:14
vi_oh21:15
DocScrutinizerVenemo: I guess you'll tell us WTH it is21:15
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DocScrutinizereven less, maybe 24821:15
vi_well i have 10gb omthing21:15
VenemoDocScrutinizer: that's what Qt Creator tells me when I try debugging on N90021:15
DocScrutinizerthere's other MTD partitions, for kernel, CAL, etc21:15
VenemoDocScrutinizer: but I don't know why - it worked before21:15
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DocScrutinizerNFC21:16
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DocScrutinizerkey is ""Reading debug information failed:""21:16
DocScrutinizertry `file /home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master-build-maemo/build/puzzle-master`21:17
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DocScrutinizervi_: I have 160GB something, just not on rootfs of N90021:18
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andriushi, can anybody explain how to fix "E: Handler silently failed" issue21:19
andriusor work around it21:19
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# df -h /21:19
DocScrutinizerFilesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on21:19
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DocScrutinizerrootfs                  227.9M    154.4M     69.3M  69% /21:19
DocScrutinizerandrius: no21:20
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franz_[13:37] < DocScrutinizer> franz_: or exec=sh -c 'SHELLVAR=val binary'21:20
franz_thanks21:20
DocScrutinizeryw21:20
andriuswhat exactly does that error message mean?21:20
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DocScrutinizerIf it shows up on my TV, it might mean I had too much cheap tequila the night before21:21
DocScrutinizerbut maybe you can tell me what means "Sorry, your request can't be handled due to technical problems"21:23
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: the result is http://fpaste.org/iRhc/21:26
DocScrutinizerVenemo: are you sure this is supposed to be a ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV) ? Not maybe an ARM binary?21:28
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: I.E maybe the debugger expects an ARM binary21:28
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MohammadAGhmm, if I put my SIM in a 3G modem, will I be charged extra?21:30
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franz_there isn't a way for them to figure out, unless you use way more data than usual21:31
VenemoDocScrutinizer: well this is an ARM executable that the crosscompiler creates21:31
VenemoMohammadAG: just data rates21:31
MohammadAGVenemo, so it's the same as for example, using mobilehotspot?21:32
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VenemoMohammadAG: data is just data, as far as the operator is concerned21:32
MohammadAGVenemo, was just wondering since mobiles don't dial a number21:33
DocScrutinizerVenemo: http://old.nabble.com/Invalid-bfd-target-td1133013.html   http://www.google.de/search?q=Invalid+bfd+target21:33
MohammadAGbut 3G modems do (and on that note, how do I know what number I should dial?)21:33
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VenemoMohammadAG: mobiles do that too (they use their modem the same way), it's just done in the background. DocScrutinizer should know better if I'm not correct about this21:34
SiceloMohammadAG: usually it's #77721:34
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trxim using QTabWigdet in my app and have some trouble with its close button (on the tab buttons), there isnt a "X" picture but something else21:34
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trxi found a way to change that via stylesheets, but i cant seem to find from where should i load the "X" picture that is currently in use?21:35
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: your phone *is* a 3G modem21:35
trx(for other stuff, like app close button)21:35
trxany idea?21:35
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, yes, but I don't see it asking for a number21:36
VenemoDocScrutinizer: the weird thing is that I don't compile this myself. Qt Creator does.21:36
MohammadAGwhere does it get the number?21:36
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: this is some defacto standard21:36
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, and why do USB 3G modems not implement it?21:36
DocScrutinizerin e.g windows setup you still can edit the number, iirc it's *99# by default21:36
SiceloDocScrutinizer: *99# is GPRS21:37
Venemoyes, it's *99# here too.21:37
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: umm yes21:37
VenemoSicelo: it works with HSDPA too21:38
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MohammadAGyeah, it's *99# here too21:38
VenemoMohammadAG: Nokia basically stores the relevant settings for each operator in every country in their phones. this is why it automagically knows21:38
MohammadAGVenemo, that's not possible21:38
VenemoMohammadAG: also there's probably some setting to change it somewhere21:38
Sicelooh, I never knew that. thanks21:38
VenemoMohammadAG: not possible?21:38
MohammadAGyes21:38
MohammadAGwhat if a new operator's out?21:39
MohammadAGyou only need the access point name, the username and pass21:39
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: on e.g. N900 you don't need to issue a 'number' as the way the cmt works is well known21:39
MohammadAGand it works automatically21:39
DocScrutinizerso 'number' can get hardcoded21:39
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, so basically, it always dials *99#?21:39
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: *99# is no real number, it's a command to the cmt21:40
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ah21:41
DocScrutinizerGPRS is not a Circuit Switched Data cnnection. But you *could* probably establish such a 'call' alike data connection to arbitrary far ends, by dialing a real number21:41
Trewaseverytime I have started to use a new phone or changed SIM to another one, the operator has sent a few SMS messages automagically which include some settings, no idea which ones though21:41
Trewasand there is /etc/operator_settings in n900 which seems relevant21:41
DocScrutinizerthose contain APN, user, and pw21:42
jacekowskii think n900 has all settings already in21:42
DocScrutinizeryep21:42
DocScrutinizersee Trewas ^^^21:42
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jacekowskianybody on base in belgium21:43
jacekowskiis data roaming in france free21:43
jacekowskias in included21:43
DocScrutinizerhaha, that'd be amazing news21:43
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jacekowskiwell21:43
jacekowskii' connected now to f sfr base21:44
DocScrutinizerdata roaming either doesn't work at all, or a minute cost more than gold21:44
jacekowskiand i have data here21:44
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jacekowskijust got asked to allow data roaming21:44
DocScrutinizermy condolescences, you're already broke21:44
jacekowskiit's prepqaid21:44
jacekowskiand i had 5euro on it21:44
jacekowskii can afford to waste that21:45
DocScrutinizerheh, don't get misunderstood, carriers manage to charge you on prepaid as well :-P21:45
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DocScrutinizersuddenly your account is at 5000$ debit, and they know where to find you X-P21:46
jacekowskiwell o've seen vodafone add21:47
DocScrutinizerhonestly, roaming on a payg card been never heard to work21:47
jacekowskiwhere they were saying something about free roaming21:47
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DocScrutinizerat least for data21:47
jacekowskiwell21:47
jacekowskiit's working for me21:47
jacekowskiunless lille is in belgium21:48
MohammadAG<jacekowski> i think n900 has all settings already in21:48
DocScrutinizerumm yeah, for like 50ct/min21:48
MohammadAGexcept Orange JO21:48
DocScrutinizerhehe21:48
DocScrutinizeryou can bet on Orange * settings21:49
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jacekowskibesides if it's same operator then they can afford to give you free/cheap data roaming21:49
DocScrutinizerI'd be surprised to find then using different APN etc specifically in JO21:49
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: as mentioned above, that'd be new and exciting21:50
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DocScrutinizermaybe apple manages to push carriers to do that eventually21:51
jacekowskiwell i' in france with belgian sim and i'm still talking to you21:51
DocScrutinizercheck your balance21:51
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DocScrutinizer*111# or sth like that21:51
MohammadAGjacekowski, IL Orange is not Orange21:52
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DocScrutinizerit might actually show -30$ by now21:52
MohammadAGit's Partners Communications LTD21:52
jacekowskiimpossible21:52
jacekowskiunless belgium staryed using dollars in last couple minutes21:52
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DocScrutinizermeh21:53
jacekowskihow to check ballance on base?21:53
DocScrutinizerumm21:53
DocScrutinizerno base here, they are crap in Germany21:53
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DocScrutinizerstatus info 115521:54
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DocScrutinizervoice call21:54
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DocScrutinizercharge = *104#21:55
DocScrutinizerso maybe this is query as well21:55
DocScrutinizeractually21:55
DocScrutinizercharge = *104#<chargenumber>#21:56
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jacekowskinope21:56
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jacekowskiunknown application21:57
DocScrutinizertry *#104#, *111#, *100#21:57
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DocScrutinizerbut all this doesn't work while roaming21:57
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DocScrutinizerso your only bet is to dial home (+CC carrier-code 1155)21:58
Venemoachipa: allow me one more question. I see that I can use icons from http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/ea47d047-431c-4de8-92a6-dbcc799757ff/Maemo_5_Icon_List_v1_0_en.zip.html in my app, but can I use them even if my app isn't for Maemo 5?21:58
Venemoachipa: I mean, can I use the icons on other platforms?21:58
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nox-moin21:59
javispedromorning21:59
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jacekowski 0.41 euro left22:00
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nox-moin javispedro22:00
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: http://www.base.de/Mobiles-Internet/Mein-BASE-Internet-Flatrates.aspx22:01
DocScrutinizermaybe base.be for you22:01
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.base.be/fr/base-welkom-bienvenue-welcome?redirect=22:02
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makulkarDocScrutinizer, how to take screenshot of maemo device? any short cut/software for that?22:04
DocScrutinizerctrl-shift-P22:04
javispedrothen look at Images folder (not Camera)22:04
DocScrutinizeryw22:05
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DocScrutinizermakulkar: then there's also the screenshot function in load-applet, to be found in system-menu (click on clock, then select camera from the menu)22:06
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DocScrutinizerbut that's somewhat clumsy, and only advantage is it triggers either auto after 20s (configurable afaik) or on pressing cam button22:08
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makulkarDocScrutinizer, i have to report bug and need screen shot.. tried ctrl-shift-p dont see any images in gallery22:09
makulkarDocScrutinizer, will try the second one now22:09
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DocScrutinizerthanks to transitions you sometimes see a shadow of the yellow notifier telling you about this, in the screenshot :-P22:09
DocScrutinizermakulkar: I'd in images folder, as javispedro mentioned22:09
DocScrutinizerit's*22:09
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DocScrutinizergallery isn't updated for every screenshot, so it might take quite some time until trackerd considers to rescan22:10
DocScrutinizermakulkar: workaround: take a picture with cam, so gallery gets updated. This should make tracker find the screenshot as well22:11
DocScrutinizeror enter "file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images" to microb URL22:13
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DocScrutinizersearch for screenshotXX.png there22:14
DocScrutinizerhooray for microb, the better HFM :-P22:15
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DocScrutinizereven knows how to display .png ;-D22:16
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DocScrutinizerand knows about / !! \o/22:17
DocScrutinizera pitty you can't copy or edit or delete files in microb ;-)22:17
DocScrutinizerfor all other aspects it's a magnitude better than HFM for browsing file hierachy - IMHO22:19
wazdoh my god, new gizmodo design cries "we're apple fanboys!" :)22:22
javispedronot to mention it is a usability nightmare..22:22
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javispedroand also follows what I'm going to call Engadget's law22:23
wazdunfortunatelly, apple.com has already moved to the next step :)22:23
javispedrowhen the current generation's Nokia Tablet device is fast enough to load the current Engadget's CSS, Javascript, and rest of crap in reasonable time, Engadget moves on.22:23
DocScrutinizerops, for me it's even file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot_xxxxx_yyyyy.png22:23
javispedro("moves on" as in: exponentially increases the size of the CSS, the Javascript and the images)22:24
DocScrutinizermakulkar: ^ for me it's even file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot_xxxxx_yyyyy.png22:24
wazdjavispedro: website that looks like a white page with javascript turned off - pathetic crap22:24
makulkarDocScrutinizer, nope dont see it there either. May be harminttan has different location?22:25
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javispedrowazd: so truer.22:25
DocScrutinizerpossible22:25
DocScrutinizernot even clear if harmattan has that ctrl-shift-p shortcut22:25
makulkarDocScrutinizer, hmm took a pic from camera dont see even that file in above path :)22:25
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makulkarbut i see in gallery22:26
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DocScrutinizer:nod: so find out how to convince fsckng gallery to tell you about true full pathname22:26
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makulkarDocScrutinizer, found the captured image but i guess screenshot short cut doesnt work22:30
DocScrutinizerhahahahaha hrhrhr, opened picture in galery, menu, "save as" ----> galery frozen - hildon: "doesn't react, kill?"22:30
DocScrutinizermakulkar: take screeshot, take picture, `find / -mmin 10 -ls`22:32
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DocScrutinizer(you'll probably need *real* find for that, not messybox crap)22:33
DocScrutinizershould yield all files modified last ten minutes22:33
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crashanddie_i'm so bummed :(22:33
makulkarunrecognized -mmin22:33
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crashanddie_My 2nd (out of the 3) ps3s died on me22:34
DocScrutinizeryup22:34
crashanddie_blueray drive is dead, again22:34
DocScrutinizer~messybox22:34
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils22:34
crashanddie_I contacted Sony22:34
DocScrutinizercrashanddie_: :-(22:34
crashanddie_They're willing to replace it, even though it's out of warranty, if I have the proof of purchase, which I don't22:34
crashanddie_I contacted the store22:35
crashanddie_they can find the proof of purchase, provided I give an exact date, exact amount (got that), type of purchase (cash, credit, etc), a rough hour, and 50 euros22:36
DocScrutinizermakulkar: apt-get install findutils-gnu ;-)22:36
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crashanddie_which is just proposterous22:36
crashanddie_and if they don't find it, I don't get to keep the 50 euros22:36
MohammadAGI'd buy a BD drive22:36
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MohammadAGit's piss easy to assemble22:37
jacekowskiback in england22:37
DocScrutinizercrashanddie_: send 50$ worth in glycerine trinitrate22:37
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DocScrutinizererr EUR22:37
MohammadAGwhen my drive died, they wanted to send it to the US to be fixed22:38
MohammadAGshipping costs on me22:38
MohammadAGso I said fuck it and bought a drive off ebay22:38
DocScrutinizer"free shipping" I suppose :-D22:39
MohammadAGhah22:40
MohammadAGcan't actually remember, but it turned out cheaper22:40
MohammadAGand disassembly's easy22:40
DocScrutinizerI bet22:40
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MohammadAGthe ribbons are cool22:40
MohammadAGyou just have to raise a plastic piece, then slide the ribbon out22:40
DocScrutinizerFPC I guess22:40
DocScrutinizeryep, FPC22:40
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crashanddie_MohammadAG: on the slim?22:41
MohammadAGslims use SATA I think22:41
MohammadAGthough I never disassembled a slim22:41
crashanddie_well, there's this one guy who claims he found how to fix it22:41
MohammadAGphats use a proprietary ribbon22:41
crashanddie_it appears to be just a simple plastic slider that can get stuck out of their shaft22:41
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crashanddie_tbh, I'd rather get it replaced, I've given Sony over a grand just in PS3's, and probably *a lot* more in games22:42
* DocScrutinizer can't say he's actually axcious to see harmattan coming22:43
crashanddie_I'm not axcious either22:43
DocScrutinizeranxious*22:43
crashanddie_well, depends, what's axcious?22:43
crashanddie_I've bought over 40 games ever since the ps3 came out, maybe I'm just using them too much?22:44
crashanddie_MohammadAG: have you been following the homebrew scene?22:44
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, not much, went to OFW the other day22:46
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crashanddie_hmm22:48
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MohammadAGcan someone check something for me?23:43
ieatlintwhat's that?23:43
MohammadAGopen modest, go to some folder, tap the title bar, select move message, tap any message and click move23:43
MohammadAGwhat does the dialog button say?23:43
MohammadAGyou can select any message, you're cancelling the dialog after all23:44
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anidel"New"23:49
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MohammadAGanidel, thanks23:52
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anidelyou're welcome23:52
prontothe SMS box needs spell check D:23:55
Sc0rpiuswhat does it say23:55
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