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| Venemo | hey again | 00:02 |
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| Venemo | alterego: ping | 00:03 |
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| Venemo | alterego: I looked at you Maemo5ToolButton source and made something similar, although I didn't make a subclass for it | 00:13 |
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| Venemo | alterego: however the code that removes the border also removes the background when pressed... :( | 00:15 |
| Venemo | alterego: it's setStyleSheet("QToolButton {border: none}"); | 00:15 |
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| Venemo | alterego: without this, there's an annoying border around it | 00:15 |
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| trumee | what is the recommended/most used twitter app on N900? | 00:22 |
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| Robot101 | trumee: tweego is nice | 00:25 |
| trumee | Robot101: thanks. will try that out | 00:25 |
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| trumee | Robot101: was that sip MWI code useful at all? | 00:26 |
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| Robot101 | I gave it to our sip guy but he's been working on some other stuff atm | 00:27 |
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| trumee | Robot101: ok, like improving this bug #10388 :p | 00:30 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 00:30 |
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| Robot101 | trumee: no, that's be an rtp guy | 00:32 |
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| trumee | Robot101: rtp guy= olivier? | 00:34 |
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| lardman | I'm guessing it is possible, but can one get keypresses from /dev/input?/* directly? | 00:51 |
| lardman | e.g. in a shell script named init ;) | 00:51 |
| javispedro | yes, but from a shell script might no be that easy | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | dd to pull out 16 byte chunks. hmm. | 00:52 |
| lardman | hmm | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I think you can pull key up/down events. | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | using dd | 00:52 |
| lardman | so I need to read 16 byte chunks basically? | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | but then mapping them to chars will be hard | 00:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | the /dev/input/* are in 16 byte chunks with event structures | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | which have timestamps and shizzle. | 00:53 |
| javispedro | you might /dev/console instead | 00:53 |
| javispedro | *want | 00:53 |
| lardman | but /dev/console won't be accepting input at that point will it? | 00:54 |
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| lardman | or does it automatically receive keypresses during boot? | 00:54 |
| javispedro | well, there's a way the first shell gets its keypresses :) | 00:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Actually - seems to be 48 bytes | 00:55 |
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| lardman | javispedro: yeah, but it probably opens the /dev files | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | k00002c10 7c 78 50 4d fa 7f 0b 00 04 00 04 00 25 00 00 00 ||xPMú.......%...| | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | 00002c20 7c 78 50 4d 08 80 0b 00 01 00 25 00 00 00 00 00 ||xPM......%.....| | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | 00002c30 7c 78 50 4d 0b 80 0b 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ||xPM............| | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | keyup of a k | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | the % is the k | 00:56 |
| lardman | hmm | 00:56 |
| javispedro | lardman: nah, a shell will never read /dev/input/* directly | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I think | 00:56 |
| lardman | stdin then? | 00:56 |
| javispedro | stdin points to /dev/console | 00:56 |
| lardman | or is console read write? | 00:56 |
| lardman | ok | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | something hooks the shell to the console | 00:56 |
| javispedro | yep, it's a tty | 00:56 |
| lardman | but I'll have the same issue I guess that I need to read from it somehow | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | i'm unsure if the shell will read the console normally | 00:57 |
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| lardman | I'll explain what I want to do, might make life easier and you may have a better suggestion: | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, whatcha hacking around with? :) | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | reading the accel fromshell is a doddle. | 00:58 |
| lardman | Galaxy Tab, I've changed init to look for a btrfs partition on the external SD or a vfat partition + meego.img ext2 loop file, but sometimes I would like to just boot Android without needing to remove the uSD card | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I have half a script to do this. | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | If one way up, do one thing | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | if the other, do another | 00:58 |
| lardman | :) | 00:58 |
| lardman | presumably the eventX device returns different data for that then? | 00:59 |
| lardman | as on the Tab the accelerometer is mapped to an eventX device afair | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | read x y z < /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | if [[ $z -lt -800 ]] | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, isn't there some GPIO device? | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | like a keylock switch, camera cover, keyboard, etc | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - that too. | 01:00 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders why mbarcode is segfaulting on open camera. | 01:01 | |
| lardman | there's an on/off switch, a vol up, vol down, and some touchscreen buttons which seem to work and are apparently mapped to an eventX dev | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - this was a tab question? | 01:01 |
| * lardman also wonders at SpeedEvil's problem | 01:01 | |
| * javispedro messed his xorg =) | 01:01 | |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: I have way too much stuff installed. | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | find /sys -name state | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | if android has those | 01:02 |
| lardman | what does that look for? | 01:02 |
| lardman | state files? | 01:02 |
| * lardman goes to find the Tab, hang on a tick | 01:02 | |
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| MohammadAG | gpio devices usually have a state file | 01:02 |
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| MohammadAG | indicating "open" or "closed" | 01:03 |
| lardman | re | 01:03 |
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| lardman | so I have some gpio state files | 01:05 |
| lardman | and some graphics state files | 01:05 |
| lardman | none of which look like likely suspects | 01:05 |
| lardman | gpio-keys... hmm | 01:07 |
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| lardman | hmm ok, I'll do some shell script experimentation to see what these random gpio dirs refer to | 01:08 |
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| lardman | ~curse the Android devs who decided that Tab wouldn't be accepted by the shell | 01:10 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, the Android devs who decided that Tab wouldn't be accepted by the shell ! | 01:10 |
| lardman | hmm, perhaps a step up, not a good curse | 01:10 |
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| * pahartik has noticed that "Fennec beta 4" is otherwise good but does not have "double tap element width zoom" anymore | 01:12 | |
| * ieatlint acknowledges the observation | 01:13 | |
| nox- | hm fennec no longer `eats ram like candy'? | 01:13 |
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| lardman | hmm, how long does package promotion actually take? | 01:14 |
| lardman | -devel to -testing | 01:15 |
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| lardman | A package can have a single maintainer and multiple uploaders I understand, are all these listed people able to promote said package? | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | if they're listed in the maintainer section in maemo.org/packages, yes | 01:18 |
| pahartik | nox-: I have not noticed such with "Fennec beta 3" or "Fennec beta 4", but then again... Browsers I use never load images by default or execute "application/javascript"... Proxy even strips "script" -elements out from documents | 01:18 |
| lardman | I thought the maintainer field could only have one person | 01:18 |
| lardman | ? | 01:18 |
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| pahartik | ieatlint: Has that feature fallen out by accident or is it disabled by purpose? | 01:19 |
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| ieatlint | no clue | 01:20 |
| leftright | hey guys | 01:20 |
| lardman | urgh, /me looks at the 06.28 train he needs to catch on Wed | 01:20 |
| leftright | Ive got n900, any idea what opengl version it supports | 01:22 |
| leftright | is it 2.0 or ES | 01:22 |
| lardman | es 2.0 afair | 01:22 |
| ieatlint | lardman: i can sympathise.. i have to get up at 7am every day this week, drive 45 miles and then stare at slides for 8 hours | 01:22 |
| ieatlint | but they do give me mediocre coffee | 01:23 |
| lardman | ieatlint: /me feels pain at the 8hours of slide staring | 01:23 |
| lardman | lol | 01:23 |
| lardman | I have to go to a 2hr meeting, and it will take be the best part of 3.5h to get there | 01:23 |
| ieatlint | :( | 01:23 |
| lardman | they don't pay enough these days to drive and that would take at least 2.5h | 01:23 |
| lardman | at least I can do some work on the train | 01:24 |
| ieatlint | tomorrow i have to do a conference call for an hour before the 8h of slides, and then meet my boss for dinner afterwards | 01:24 |
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| lardman | long day | 01:24 |
| ieatlint | capitalism sucks | 01:24 |
| lardman | depends where you sit the chain I guess | 01:24 |
| lardman | :) | 01:24 |
| lardman | sit in the chain that should have been | 01:24 |
| ieatlint | haha, yeah | 01:24 |
| lardman | not thinking about choking people | 01:25 |
| ieatlint | i'm kinda thinking about strangling people actually | 01:25 |
| lardman | strangling is better than choking, comes on more gradually and is less uncomfortable so they won't realise you;re doing it | 01:25 |
| lardman | ;) | 01:25 |
| ieatlint | not always true | 01:26 |
| kodomo | javispedro: out of interest: you probably didn't happen to have the drivers packaged for the DisplayLink setup, did you? I've bought myself one... :P (or a more detailed howto? :) ) | 01:26 |
| lardman | ieatlint: really, how so? | 01:26 |
| ieatlint | strangle is just an act... it doesn't really describe how violent the act is | 01:26 |
| javispedro | kodomo: no, no way to sanely package the entire thing, as it's basically Xorg (Xvnc). | 01:26 |
| ieatlint | i can violently strangle someone with a chain, for example | 01:27 |
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| lardman | no, strangle is cutting off the blood supply, while choking is cutting off the air supply | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | that is, if i weren't a weak geek i could | 01:27 |
| lardman | is less uncomfortable to have your bloody supply cut off than your air supply | 01:27 |
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| ieatlint | i think a practical demonstration is required here | 01:28 |
| * javispedro wonders if he just entered a alternate reality | 01:28 | |
| javispedro | is this the alternate universe's #maemo evil twin channel? | 01:28 |
| lardman | lol | 01:28 |
| ieatlint | :P | 01:29 |
| javispedro | maemo: use it. or die. with a chain. | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | just come out for the meego conference and i'll show you which one of me is the real one | 01:29 |
| lardman | well it is a slightly strange conversation; I do Aikido though, and was practising chokes and strangles the other day, hence my interest | 01:29 |
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| lardman | that's killed the conversation, probably strangled as there were no last gasps, let's move on :) | 01:31 |
| kodomo | javispedro: ic - so I guess that you had to compile the mentioned parts yourself in the SDK? Was it rather straightforward, or were there pitfalls, I should know of when I'll try to reproduce it? ;) | 01:31 |
| javispedro | you're the second one to ask... .I don't remember any pitfalls. Then again, the first one who asked never came back, maybe the pitfall is that Xorg is volatile or something... | 01:31 |
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| kodomo | hm :-| | 01:32 |
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| kodomo | javispedro: thx for the answer - let's see whether I can figure it out... | 01:36 |
| javispedro | you might want to start with something simpler | 01:37 |
| javispedro | x11vnc (already packaged) | 01:37 |
| javispedro | then vnc2dl | 01:37 |
| javispedro | ( http://libdlo.freedesktop.org/wiki/vnc2dl ) | 01:37 |
| javispedro | do not expect video or games performance, but it works ok for office use. | 01:39 |
| kodomo | that's what I intend it for ;) | 01:39 |
| kodomo | won't I need to compile libdlo before vnc2dl, or is it contained in vnc2dl? | 01:40 |
| javispedro | yes | 01:40 |
| javispedro | er | 01:40 |
| javispedro | libdlo first. | 01:40 |
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| javispedro | that came with a nice test app. | 01:40 |
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| kodomo | TAck - will try (will take time, though - I'm still waiting for some adapter, and I've got to reinstall the SDK :P ) | 01:46 |
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| lardman | night all | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 02:33 |
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| jonwil | My N900 is fully working and set up again after being replaced by Nokia Care. YAY. | 04:30 |
| jonwil | Now I can start some real development on the thing :) | 04:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Woo! | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Was the board swapped? | 04:33 |
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| lucent | congrats on progress w/ Nokia Care, jonwil | 04:38 |
| jonwil | They claim in their notes that it was a complete handset replacement | 04:38 |
| jonwil | i.e. a new handset | 04:38 |
| jonwil | not a repair | 04:38 |
| lucent | what ill did you experience with the former? | 04:39 |
| lucent | p.s. my question to the peanut gallery here: How do I successfully set up Nokia SDK to compile extra kernel modules (from in-tree kernel sources) for N900? | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: what did you do to it again? | 04:42 |
| lucent | there's a USB to serial port driver in-tree that I want | 04:42 |
| jonwil | The indicator LED was busted | 04:43 |
| jonwil | Why they replaced the handset and didnt do a flexboard replacement only Nokia knows | 04:43 |
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| Pauly | omg did you hear Flash 9 is avalible for n900 | 06:31 |
| wmarone | omg | 06:31 |
| Pauly | omgggg | 06:31 |
| Pauly | lol | 06:31 |
| Pauly | anything exciting going on in the maemo world? | 06:32 |
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| Pauly | my n900 only overclocks to 850mhz | 06:33 |
| Pauly | so sad | 06:33 |
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| johnx | Pauly, That story about the guy killing his N900 by overclocking was exciting :) | 06:35 |
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| Pauly | is that the new thing on the bulletin thing on the irc | 06:36 |
| johnx | yeah, the last thing in the /topic | 06:36 |
| Pauly | hey whats a good setting | 06:36 |
| johnx | for overclocking? | 06:37 |
| Pauly | for overclock ideal then up to 850 | 06:37 |
| johnx | a good setting is default | 06:37 |
| johnx | it's the one that leaves your warranty intact | 06:37 |
| Pauly | i have none bought it usedddd for $360 | 06:37 |
| johnx | ah, well default is still the one that Nokia tested to be stable | 06:38 |
| Pauly | i wish it could go to 1000 | 06:38 |
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| johnx | ok. I wish it had a built in shrink ray | 06:39 |
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| Pauly | hey what spmething cool to do with the n900 thats easy to install cause im lazy today something like OMG | 06:40 |
| Pauly | im so lazy that when i use irc i use the freenode webchat in browser | 06:41 |
| johnx | install xchat. you'll OMG | 06:41 |
| Pauly | nahh it dosent feel right on n900 | 06:42 |
| Ken-Young | delete the root file system, you'll OMG | 06:43 |
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| Pauly | lol | 06:43 |
| Pauly | one time i deleted all the fonts exept the nokia one | 06:43 |
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| MrBawb | configure ipv6 so you can view a dancing turtle .gif, you'll OMG | 06:43 |
| johnx | actually, I'm trying to get the 'xbox 360 remote app' working | 06:44 |
| johnx | try that. maybe it'll work better for you | 06:44 |
| Pauly | i have tmobile isnt there a beta for that? | 06:44 |
| MrBawb | yeah, tmobile has a beta for ipv6 over gprs | 06:44 |
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| Pauly | any difference | 06:44 |
| Pauly | in speed | 06:45 |
| MrBawb | more dancing turtle .gifs? | 06:45 |
| MrBawb | no speed difference | 06:45 |
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| Pauly | playing with the sdk on pc is soo cool everything loads so quick | 06:45 |
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| Pauly | queen beacon looks like it would take forever to set up | 06:46 |
| MrBawb | in fact, ipv6 is probably slower due to less investment in it | 06:47 |
| Pauly | why is there always alot of idle ppl on irc? | 06:47 |
| wmarone | because it's easy | 06:47 |
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| johnx | so that people can leave me messages and so I can catch up on what I missed later | 06:47 |
| johnx | also: because we're better at being lazy than you :D | 06:48 |
| Pauly | i never understodd like theres 990980759 ppl but 3 ppl chat | 06:48 |
| Pauly | but now i get it | 06:48 |
| johnx | Don't you just leave your IM client and email app open? | 06:49 |
| Pauly | kills battery and i got a wife so dont chat wit no1 | 06:50 |
| Pauly | brb istalled kernel power | 06:51 |
| johnx | 1) get a desktop or server 2) I don't think having a wife necessarily precludes chatting ... | 06:51 |
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| pauly_ | i back | 06:54 |
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| pauly_ | whats fun app! | 06:55 |
| johnx | power kernel? | 06:55 |
| johnx | or xchat | 06:55 |
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| pauly_ | huh? | 06:56 |
| pauly_ | whats a nice fun app | 06:56 |
| johnx | aah, I thought you said "what a fun app" | 06:56 |
| johnx | <- monday | 06:56 |
| pauly_ | uh huh | 06:56 |
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| pauly_ | i ahve no customuzation skills | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moo | 06:59 |
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| pauly_ | heyyy Doc! | 07:00 |
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| johnx | m00f DocScrutinizer | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought it's Tuesday | 07:01 |
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| pauly_ | did u haar about the n910 | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm maybe westcost | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | mope | 07:02 |
| Ken-Young | East coast US too. | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, coffee first | 07:02 |
| pauly_ | omg its like an internet tablet with a phone | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | NY 00:02 says my clock | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | waaaah too early | 07:03 |
| Ken-Young | Yup | 07:03 |
| derf | Your clock is a minute slow. | 07:03 |
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| johnx | DocScrutinizer, still monday here | 07:03 |
| johnx | pauly_, nah, the N950 is where it's at | 07:03 |
| pauly_ | ive used the fcam so mich that i forgot how nice the default is | 07:04 |
| johnx | it has built-in antigravity, and it's powered by a micro-singularity | 07:04 |
| pauly_ | i suck at typing | 07:04 |
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| pauly_ | anyone like hondas! | 07:04 |
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| johnx | pauly_, yeah. good lawnmowers. I think I heard they were gonna make cars at some point ... ? | 07:05 |
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| pauly_ | lol | 07:05 |
| pauly_ | hows twimgo is it released yet? | 07:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | n, my typing to slow | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | no* | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | not my clock a minute late | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, my typing is too slow | 07:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, Tom Mesch, Amazon, lab126 | 07:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA ""Adds By Google: Arnazon Online Shop"" (sic!) | 07:40 |
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| mece | hello hello | 09:51 |
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| mece | http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/myriad-announces-alien-dalvik-enables-android-apps-to-run-on-non-android-phones-115540194.html | 09:56 |
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| mece | ok so... | 10:02 |
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| mece | "Myriad Alien Dalvik will be commercially available later this year on the MeeGo platform." | 10:05 |
| mece | "Alien Dalvik will be demonstrated for the first time on the Nokia N900 at this year’s Mobile World Congress in Barcelona from February 14th-17th" | 10:05 |
| mece | very interesting :) | 10:06 |
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| jonwil | Time to start working on libicd_policy_log.so (logs calls made to the libicd policy plugins) | 10:31 |
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| jonwil | anyone here know anything about gconf? | 10:34 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:46 |
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| jonwil | hi jaffa | 10:48 |
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| * jonwil has become ultra-paranoid about his N900 after it has been replaced | 10:49 | |
| jonwil | Don't want to have to take it back to Nokia Care | 10:49 |
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| mece | Jaffa, morning | 10:50 |
| jonwil | still cant figure out these gconf config files | 10:50 |
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| mece | Jaffa, android apps on n900 news today :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69492 | 10:51 |
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| Jaffa | mece: Thanks :-) | 10:53 |
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| trx2 | i found info about ath9k drivers here, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=commitdiff;h=729073b9166bc974869bae0bfdab9840cac8f99d | 11:36 |
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| trx2 | does that mean that kernel-power has them, or do i need to compile? | 11:36 |
| trx2 | is that a reference to a driver or what? | 11:37 |
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| chem|st | trx2: are you looking for meego netbook? | 11:39 |
| chem|st | guten morgen jörg | 11:40 |
| trx2 | no | 11:40 |
| chem|st | trx2: what for are you looking into ath9k then? | 11:41 |
| trx2 | i need an ath9k driver for my usb wireless card | 11:41 |
| trx2 | so i can use it with the n900 | 11:41 |
| chem|st | via usb?! | 11:41 |
| trx2 | but i cant find one anywhere | 11:41 |
| trx2 | yes, via usb | 11:41 |
| FauxFaux | What's wrong with the built-in wireless, ooi? | 11:41 |
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| chem|st | FauxFaux: that's what I thought first | 11:42 |
| trx2 | i need to be able to connect external antenna | 11:42 |
| chem|st | trx2: you have a bgn usb-dongle then? | 11:42 |
| * SpeedEvil would love a little jack for antenna. | 11:42 | |
| FauxFaux | The headphone socket is basically an antenna jack. | 11:42 |
| SpeedEvil | GSM,GPS, bluetooth, wifi, FMtx, fmrx. | 11:42 |
| SpeedEvil | 6 jacks then. | 11:42 |
| trx2 | yes | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | FauxFaux: only FMRX | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | FauxFaux: there are good reasons it won't work with the others alas. | 11:43 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: mod the antenna... it is simple as that | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | FauxFaux: Even neglecting the fact that it's not setup to. | 11:43 |
| FauxFaux | My headphones cause a significant increase in mobile reception. | 11:43 |
| trx2 | does anyone know where/how i might i find an ath9k driver for maemo? | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | FauxFaux: that's not intentional. | 11:43 |
| jacekowski | trx2: nowhere | 11:43 |
| FauxFaux | PLACEBO EFFECT. | 11:43 |
| jacekowski | trx2: afaik firmware is x86 only | 11:44 |
| chem|st | trx2: build the module your own | 11:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I compiled a module ages ago, using gcc on-device, and it seemed to work. | 11:44 |
| trx2 | hmm, so it is possible to compile? | 11:44 |
| trx2 | ill look into it then | 11:45 |
| trx2 | i found a src but couldnt compile in scratchbox | 11:45 |
| trx2 | ill try on the phone | 11:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: bt/wifi has an test connector | 11:48 |
| Corsac | jacekowski: that doesn't make any sense | 11:49 |
| Corsac | jacekowski: firmware runs on the card cpu (which I guess is mips or arm) | 11:49 |
| jacekowski | not on some cards | 11:49 |
| jacekowski | some cards use host cpu to do some calculations for them | 11:49 |
| jacekowski | but as SpeedEvil it's not the case in this case | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | softmac | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | intel ipw cards used to do that | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | aiui the N900 is fullmac | 11:50 |
| Corsac | jacekowski: yes but host cpu doesn't run firmware | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | well, binary blog | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | whatever you want to call it | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | blob* | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, n900 has fullmac aka hardmac, means there's a fw binary uploaded to 'card' embedded cpu | 11:53 |
| Corsac | even with softmac there are firmwares though | 11:54 |
| Corsac | but those still run on the card | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | depends | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | there is lot of different implementations | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | as i said | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | intel cards run binary blob on host cpu | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | used to | 11:54 |
| Corsac | do you have sources for that? | 11:54 |
| Corsac | because afair the driver, it doesn't do that | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, maemo kernel has no closed source driver for wlan afaik | 11:55 |
| psycho_oreos | wl1251 is softmac | 11:55 |
| psycho_oreos | intel cards have firmware (ucode) sitting on computers nowadays | 11:56 |
| psycho_oreos | trx2, you could probably compile your own kernel with compat-wireless ontop, that'll give you ath9k support or better if you use latter versions of compat-wireless | 11:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | A _large_ fraction of OEM cards come with a binary blob that needs to go on the local host | 11:59 |
| SpeedEvil | The local host does all the WPA and login and stuff | 11:59 |
| SpeedEvil | and the card is just a radio. | 11:59 |
| SpeedEvil | OEM wifi modules, rather. | 11:59 |
| Corsac | do you have specific driver in mind? | 12:00 |
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| jacekowski | intel for example | 12:00 |
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| psycho_oreos | the cards these days yes but the portion of the binary blob remains fairly small, its either firmware or ucode mainly. Atheros doesn't use either these days, albeit they had HAL | 12:02 |
| trx2 | psycho_oreos cant i compile just the ath9k driver from compat wireless? (compiling the kernel is a bit too complicated atm as im fairly new to linux) | 12:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | trx2, no you can't you need to compile the driver plus the framework. You may as well compile the kernel because of the changes you make may differ. However, you can in theory use maemo's kernel source which is basically the linux source + patches for n900 + kconfig | 12:04 |
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| Corsac | jacekowski: intel firmwarse are loaded in *card* memory/cpu | 12:04 |
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| psycho_oreos | for wireless? doubt it | 12:05 |
| Corsac | then read the code? | 12:05 |
| Corsac | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.37/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-agn.c#L2054 | 12:05 |
| trx2 | then i guess ill need a backup image of the phone and prepare my n900 to be bricked quite a few times :) | 12:06 |
| psycho_oreos | that's the norm when you want to tinker with hostmode | 12:07 |
| psycho_oreos | making it support for fancy things | 12:07 |
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| trx2 | yeah | 12:07 |
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| jacekowski | Corsac: yes and no | 12:08 |
| trx2 | psycho_oreos but what is that code about in the link i provided? | 12:09 |
| jacekowski | Corsac: intel has firmware running on card cpu | 12:09 |
| jacekowski | Corsac: but they have binary blob running on host cpu as well | 12:09 |
| psycho_oreos | http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.37/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-dev.h#L1294 <--- looks like it still requires ucode for firmware to be loaded onto the card | 12:09 |
| trx2 | i mentions ath9k sveral times | 12:09 |
| trx2 | it* | 12:09 |
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| Corsac | jacekowski: do you have pointer on those binary blobs? | 12:10 |
| jacekowski | http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ | 12:10 |
| jacekowski | for example that | 12:10 |
| jacekowski | now that driver is replaced by open source iwl | 12:11 |
| Corsac | well, yes | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | and it's all done nicely in driver | 12:11 |
| Corsac | since quite a long time even | 12:11 |
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| Corsac | and it's a *driver* not a *firmware* | 12:11 |
| psycho_oreos | trx2, those maybe for 2.6.28 patches, you do also realise that ath9k doesn't work with atheros USB based devices? | 12:11 |
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| trx2 | yeah, its something like atk9k_htc | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | psycho_oreos: wl1251 is softmac? duh! | 12:12 |
| jacekowski | Corsac: i said binary blob | 12:12 |
| Corsac | you said firmware :) | 12:12 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: vodafone offers europe roaming for £2/day | 12:13 |
| Corsac | [10:44:03] (jacekowski): trx2: afaik firmware is x86 only | 12:13 |
| jacekowski | 10:52 < jacekowski> well, binary blog | 12:13 |
| jacekowski | 10:52 < jacekowski> whatever you want to call it | 12:13 |
| jacekowski | 10:52 < jacekowski> blob* | 12:13 |
| psycho_oreos | trx2, its either that or ar9170/carl9170 | 12:13 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer51, thanks for pointing out again the obvious :) | 12:13 |
| trx2 | ok, ill look into it | 12:13 |
| trx2 | ty | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | psycho_oreos: eh??? | 12:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | trx2, and also ath9k_htc isn't available for 2.6.28 :) | 12:14 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer51, I was commenting on what someone said about it being fullmac but maybe I misread | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | psycho_oreos: sorry, you completely lost me during offense | 12:16 |
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| trx2 | psycho_oreos that means what exactly, that it cant be used at all or ? | 12:17 |
| psycho_oreos | <DocScrutinizer51> aiui the N900 is fullmac | yes, n900 has fullmac aka hardmac, means there's a fw binary uploaded to 'card' embedded cpu <--- that :) | 12:18 |
| psycho_oreos | trx2, with stock kernel no, with compat-wireless yes | 12:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | then again the lines between what is meant to be a fullmac versus a softmac is really blurry, in the past fullmacs never required fw files to be sitting on the host and needs to be loaded everytime the machine wants to use it. Now it seems as though the firmwares needs to be loaded | 12:20 |
| psycho_oreos | sounds too much like softmac to me :P | 12:20 |
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| jacekowski | well, so what if card would have firmware in it's internal flash chip | 12:20 |
| jacekowski | you don't have to load it every time == fullmac? | 12:20 |
| psycho_oreos | internal flash chip which can hold the firmware was fullmac. softmacs were the ones that had smaller memory and thus cannot have firmware stored directly on the device itself | 12:21 |
| psycho_oreos | e.g. look at hermes I/II and prism2/2.5 | 12:22 |
| jacekowski | so what if you would have softmac card | 12:22 |
| psycho_oreos | power saving issues | 12:22 |
| jacekowski | and do nothing to it except add flash to it | 12:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | softMACs aren't exactly good at power saving compared to fullMACs | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | well they weren't | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | that was the case | 12:23 |
| jacekowski | well, you need more resources to do softmac anyways | 12:23 |
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| psycho_oreos | yeah its more host dependent with softmacs | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | iirc ath6k is a fullMAC, suffered a big blow for its feeble support under linux | 12:25 |
| psycho_oreos | those were fitted on devices like OM freerunner | 12:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2011-02-08 10:55:35] <psycho_oreos> wl1251 is softmac | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what now? are you right, am I, or is it simply that N900 has no wl1251? | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I don't see how I'm stating the obvious, while you claim the exact opposite | 12:28 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, N900 does have wl1251 | 12:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | I claim its softmac, you agreed I said that someone said (when I later on pointed at you) stated the opposite. I'm not going to go into lengthy heated discussion. | 12:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I agreed on what? | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if you call that agreeing: [2011-02-08 11:12:49] <DocScrutinizer51> psycho_oreos: wl1251 is softmac? duh! | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or even "stating the obvious" | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jan 30 02:16:58 t900 kernel: [47866.828948] wl1251: 151 tx blocks at 0x3b788, 35 rx blocks at 0x3a780 | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jan 30 02:16:58 t900 kernel: [47866.844543] wl1251: firmware booted (Rev 4.0.4.3.7) | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 12:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's neat! | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | ignore that | 12:38 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: ping... | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | achipa: pong | 12:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I admit I'm just guessing, form ^^^ and /lib/firmware/wl1251-fw.bin - but in hte end I'd rather ask lxp1 about that. He should know if wl1251 is operated in softmac or fullmac mode, on maemo | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 194180 Jan 20 2010 /lib/firmware/wl1251-fw.bin | 12:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | 194k doesn't look like s stub for softmac, anyway | 12:47 |
| psycho_oreos | there's two parts to the firmware, I don't know what the other one is for but if you do rename/remove those files after you unloaded the module and then reload the module without either of those. If you tried to ifconfig wlan0 up you will see "ifconfig: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" this is very much the same message as for the current softmac these days | 12:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, loading the wlan module includes powering up the chip and uploading this wl1251-fw.bin to the chip's ram, then starting it where it answers with "firmware booted (Rev 4.0.4.3.7)" - my wild guess | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | so for whatever reason loading of the kernel module blows chunks, you will end up with a missing device file, so ifconfig returns with error | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd however bet the kernel module complains about missing firmware blob to upload, in syslog, when modprobed with missing wl1251-fw.bin | 12:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nota bene: you still *could* operate a "card" in softmac mode, even if it has fullmac firmware uploaded, or even *real* fw in flash or eeprom. Nevertheless that's for sure not what you want to do, as you need to crank up the whole APE incl RAM and everything, every few 100 ms, for PSM | 12:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this would eat your battery in no time | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | so basically using a softmac card in a battery powered device is a major design bug | 12:58 |
| achipa | X-Fade: heya, does maemo.org have a provider file/url for REST ? | 12:59 |
| achipa | X-Fade: bergie is trying to talk me into using libattica, but the docs make it a bit more convoluted than it probably should be | 12:59 |
| achipa | (more like lack thereof) | 13:00 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Sure, there is http://maemo.org/packages/providers.xml | 13:02 |
| achipa | X-Fade: right-o, thx | 13:03 |
| achipa | X-Fade: can I get some stats from the REST requests ? | 13:03 |
| achipa | i.e. how many people voted/commented via it ? | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Not atm. | 13:04 |
| achipa | X-Fade: I don't mean anything fancy, graphical, just numbers basically | 13:04 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: there might be some unused field we could store something in. | 13:04 |
| achipa | X-Fade: just so we know if people are actually using it | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | achipa: I don't have anything to monitor that atm. | 13:05 |
| achipa | if it's easier I could submit another request at the same time | 13:06 |
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| achipa | (hack, but hey) | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | achipa: That is why I suggested a field. You can probably use something like title. | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | Which we don't display. | 13:07 |
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| achipa | right | 13:07 |
| achipa | but first things first, let me make this work, and then we'll talk stats | 13:08 |
| achipa | (though I must say this qtwebkit thingy make scraping look good...) | 13:08 |
| achipa | :P | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (fullmac) you might be interested in that one (whatever it tells us) http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~baker/devices/lxr/source/2.6.31.13/linux/drivers/net/wireless/wl12xx/boot.c | 13:13 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:15 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ping | 13:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel/nokia-n900-kernel/trees/master/drivers/net/wireless/wl1251 and http://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel/nokia-n900-kernel/trees/master/drivers/net/wireless/wl12xx | 13:16 |
| chem|st | and he strikes again.... ;) | 13:20 |
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| * jonwil is still no closer to figuring out what he needs to know to write new icd policy plugins and test them on his N900 | 13:25 | |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: Jesus? | 13:26 |
| jonwil | jesus what? | 13:26 |
| lardman | Goat to sacrifice? | 13:26 |
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| jonwil | I posted some questions to the mailing list in case someone can help with the gconf stuff I am stuck on | 13:26 |
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| range | /act | 13:28 |
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| range | Oh, ooops. | 13:28 |
| * range takes back the <space> | 13:28 | |
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| lardman | what does /act do? /me has a look for some IRC help files | 13:29 |
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| crashanddie | lol | 13:32 |
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| crashanddie | tried to read something on the financial times, asked me to register, yada yada yada | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | at random, I just typed foo as username and password | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | TADA | 13:33 |
| lardman | :) | 13:33 |
| * jonwil wishes someone would write a better Solitare and better Minsweeper clone for the N900 :P | 13:34 | |
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| * jonwil suspects the N900 is the only phone where the correct response is "if you want it, write it yourself :P" | 13:35 | |
| jonwil | The solitare isnt open source otherwise I would hack it myself | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: what's your probs with gconf? | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | (not that I know anything about it - I even *hate* it :-P ) | 13:39 |
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| LjL | my N810 arrived! \o/ | 13:43 |
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| LjL | although i'm already regretting it because now i think i should have got an Archos 5 ;( | 13:43 |
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| jonwil | My problem is that I dont know how to use it at all | 13:48 |
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| jonwil | so I dont know how to modify this ICD setting in a way that I can undo easily and that can be done without risk of causing problems | 13:48 |
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| blackthorne | hi | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhahaha WUT? safer internet day - probably the day all hackers take a day off to have a booze X-P | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: use as in? gconf-tool2 --help ? | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: or code side of the story - then I got NFC | 14:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gconftool-2 --help-all ;# actually | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: sorry if I'm off topic, but as I dunno what exactly you need to know: I found `gconftool-2 -R /|grep <whatever>` quite helpful at times | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | or use less instead of grep | 14:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for the code side I guess there's plenty of examples how to interface to gconf in maemo pkgs, last not least in source for gconftool-2 | 14:39 |
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| markinfo | Hi. I have just buyed nokia used n900 an on my opinion it makes very bad Photos. they are not sharp. More closely to the object is the photo taken then more unsharp it is. Makro setting does not help. Could be there some software problem (I have maemo 20.2010.36-2) or is it hardware failure? | 14:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | How close are you trying to take pictures? | 14:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | You should not expect better than - maybe - 2.5MP equivalent. | 14:54 |
| Ken-Young | markinfo, Did you focus the camera? | 14:54 |
| jonwil | The N900 isn't designed to take really close up photos | 14:54 |
| lcuk | bullshit | 14:54 |
| Ken-Young | It will take decent photos as close as 4 cm. | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/n900/ | 14:54 |
| lcuk | the N900 is awesome at closeups :P | 14:54 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20110206_005.jpg | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | This shows all n900 pictures on flickr | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Compare yours | 14:55 |
| lcuk | that is a little tub made with a makerbot | 14:55 |
| jonwil | The biggest problem with all cellphone cameras I have seen is that they have a fixed focus | 14:55 |
| lcuk | you can see the pixels! | 14:55 |
| jonwil | Although the N900 may be different in that area | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | The n900 usage graph on that page makes me a saaaaaaaaaaad panda. | 14:55 |
| lcuk | variable focus, you can hear it change | 14:55 |
| Ken-Young | jonwil, The N900 does not have fixed focus. | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | (as does the lack of axis) | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | axes | 14:56 |
| BCMM | jonwil: the n900 has adjustable focus, down to 5cm | 14:57 |
| markinfo | variable Focus? it is focused automatically? | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | markinfo: yes | 14:57 |
| BCMM | markinfo: in the default camera application, yes | 14:57 |
| jonwil | well no cellphone camera can be as good as my fairly basic Canon with an optical zoom and a genuine close up macro mode :) | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | There are add-ons to let you focus manually | 14:57 |
| BCMM | in fcamera and others you can manual-focus | 14:57 |
| lcuk | heh, it tries to focus closer too | 14:57 |
| lcuk | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=16230#post16230 | 14:57 |
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| BCMM | but yeah, the problem with phone cams is usually that they advertise a large number of megapixels, while not actually having the optics to make that meaningful | 14:58 |
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| BCMM | (i.e. it's all blurry even when substantially scaled-down) | 14:58 |
| BCMM | i guess fixed focus is one major reason for the blurring | 14:58 |
| BCMM | the problems with the n900 camera are excessive noise in low-light shots, and the rolling shutter | 14:59 |
| * SpeedEvil is still annoyed about the GPS imprecisionbug. | 15:00 | |
| BCMM | markinfo: try fcamera, using manual focus | 15:00 |
| BCMM | markinfo: it'll go down to 5cm | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - and shutter lag | 15:00 |
| markinfo | well i try fcamera. | 15:00 |
| BCMM | in my experience, the default camera app tend to autofocus on hte wrong thing in macro mode - just use fcamera at 5cm manual focus and move the phone till it's sharp | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I want an ultra-lightweight process in RAM all the time that can take pictures 0.5 seconds after the shutter is opened. | 15:01 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: delay between pressing the button and taking the picture, right? | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't care about viewfinder, I don't care about focus - 1m is fine. Just take a damn picture | 15:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | The rest can fill in later. | 15:01 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: i've been wondering about that - specifically, how much of it is due to the application | 15:01 |
| BCMM | oh, you mean delay between opening the lens cover and shooting? | 15:01 |
| * jonwil wishes the camera stuff on N900 was open source | 15:01 | |
| BCMM | jonwil: again, fcamera :) | 15:02 |
| jonwil | heh :) | 15:02 |
| BCMM | i only use the default camera app because it starts faster | 15:02 |
| jonwil | although I dont use my N900 to take photos, why would I when I have my Canon :P | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: same issue, really | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: you have your canon 100% of the time? | 15:02 |
| BCMM | but it would be quite feasible to make a simple autofocus fcam application | 15:03 |
| jonwil | if I am going to be taking photos I will have it with me | 15:03 |
| BCMM | i mean, a less featureful point-and-shoot one | 15:03 |
| * SpeedEvil never goes places to take photos. | 15:03 | |
| * SpeedEvil goes places and takes photos. | 15:03 | |
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| jonwil | ok, that's solved the gconf problem. Now I just need to figure out what compile and link options I should be using to properly build this .so file | 15:03 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: not the same issue - sometimes one wants to get something at a precise moment (ball in mid-air or something) | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: True. | 15:04 |
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| BCMM | i've just started playing with fcam, so one of the things i'm going to investigate is whether one could get faster responses from a lightweight application | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: raise a bug - n900 camera should recognise my balls. | 15:04 |
| jonwil | Anyone know how to put comments in a makefile? | 15:04 |
| jonwil | Can you do it? | 15:04 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: "recognise" in what sense? diplomatically? | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: # | 15:05 |
| jonwil | ok | 15:05 |
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| BCMM | i mean, i don't know how much lag is hardware/drivers, and how much is just the application (camera or fcamera) wasting time | 15:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Essentially none is hardware | 15:05 |
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| BCMM | SpeedEvil: any idea about how much of it is drivers vs. overhead in the application? | 15:07 |
| jacekowski | well, you get like 1/30th of second of camera delay | 15:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | BCMM: 99.9% of it is app. | 15:07 |
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| jacekowski | but driver is pretty much just doing simple memory copy | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | (I don't know how much is the libwhatsit lib) | 15:08 |
| BCMM | odd, since i can't see why the app should cause much delay | 15:08 |
| jacekowski | v4l lib | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: no | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | The stack on top. | 15:08 |
| BCMM | i mean, autofocus and so on should be dealt with on the half-press | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | autofocus is very compute intensive | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | it's software only | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI | 15:09 |
| BCMM | yes, but it can be done already before you try to shoot, with a half-press or whatever | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | ah that thing | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | yes | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | when you press a button what happens is | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | image is then compressed | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | and that's what takes time | 15:09 |
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| jacekowski | because i doubt they use hardware acceleration of jpeg | 15:10 |
| BCMM | but that happens after the shot is taken... | 15:10 |
| jacekowski | yes | 15:10 |
| BCMM | i'm interested in delay between pressing the button and capturing the shot | 15:10 |
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| jacekowski | that's probably time that it takes to transfer full resolution image from camera | 15:10 |
| BCMM | "if a fast-moving dog is in the middle of the frame when i press the button, where will it be in the photo?" | 15:10 |
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| MohammadAG | And let me guess, if it doesn't compress the image, it uses up IO | 15:11 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: talking of fcam stuff, iirc you mentioned (last month) something about what it was safe to do with the flash - did you have a source for that, or was it just informed common-sense? | 15:13 |
| BCMM | (i'm writing a sorta programmable fcam application, and i'm guess i'm going to have to have some sort of safety so that a user can't ask it to shoot lots of full-brightness flash photos in quick succession) | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: based on knowledge of the undelying likely specs of the LEDs. | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | underlying | 15:15 |
| BCMM | but i have very little idea of the parameters that shouldn't be allowed | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: Something like a full power flash 1/10th of the time should be OK. | 15:15 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: thanks | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | You can do that with the existing camera. | 15:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | The low power 'torch mode' is fine all the time. | 15:16 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: reckon 1/5th of the time at half-power, and so on, would be OK? | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I've had it on for several hours when draining bat | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | and measured with light meter, and it stayed constant. | 15:16 |
| djszapi | does the "n/N" keystroke operation work after a "/foobar or ?foobar" search on maemo inside vi ? | 15:16 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: also, any idea if high-frequency strobing, at minimum brightness, could be harmful? | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | no, that's fine again. | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Any sort of minimum brightness operation is fine - the only limit is heat. | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is - mostly - proportional to current - brightness | 15:17 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, what about flash mode strobing? | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | markinfo: you need to activate focus by 'half'-pressing the trigger button. N900 has no fix focus, so you *should* get good sharp pictures if you focus correctly, and you for sure will get focus=infinity when shooting without focusing first | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Again, keep it below 1/10th duty cycle, and 500ms max. | 15:18 |
| BCMM | thanks a lot - i guess i'll just limit the number of "units" of flash per second, where a unit is some measure of brightness*time | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: yes - it's probably sane to linearly derate - at 50% power - 2/10ths duty cycle, 25% 4/10, ... | 15:19 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: thanks, i'll do something like that + no single flash longer than 500ms | 15:19 |
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| markinfo | ?? fcamera takes Photos in .dng format, they are 10MB big but my Preview programm an Gim are showing only 640x480px | 15:21 |
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| BCMM | markinfo: that'll be the embedded thumbnail | 15:21 |
| BCMM | markinfo: iirc, DNG can include a thumbnail as metadata; a 640x480 preview means it isn't trying to decode the actual data | 15:22 |
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| markinfo | and to display all image? | 15:22 |
| markinfo | full image | 15:22 |
| BCMM | (which might make some sense, as it's kinda intensive, and also "subjective", in that one can interpret the data with different white-balance and so on) | 15:23 |
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| jonwil | YAY, this works | 15:23 |
| jonwil | Now all I need to do is figure out what these strange strings mean | 15:23 |
| BCMM | markinfo: gimp can open DNGs, i think - a dialog appears offering some options, like when you open an SVG | 15:23 |
| jonwil | network_id 48159cdc-2151-47a7-bb92-61789a2bcac6 | 15:24 |
| jonwil | Anyone know what that string coulde be? | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ummpf | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | some kinda hash, or unique key name | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 15:25 |
| jonwil | hmmm, actually looks like a GUID to me | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 15:25 |
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| BCMM | markinfo: oh, what sort of OS do you use btw? | 15:26 |
| jonwil | mental note: Dont paste C source code into a ssh terminal :P | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:26 |
| ccooke | jonwil: You might find this useful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier | 15:27 |
| BCMM | "things that should work, but don't" | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you can do that, using <<verymagicwordthatneveroccursinC | 15:27 |
| BCMM | markinfo: if you use linux and don't have a violent objection to KDE apps, digikam has a nice interface for processing DNGs | 15:27 |
| ccooke | jonwil: it's a *very* widely used unique identifier standard | 15:27 |
| jonwil | yeah I see | 15:27 |
| BCMM | markinfo: if you don't want to do any custom processing to get colours right and so on, i suggest you use the "autosave JPG" option and ignore the DNGs | 15:28 |
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| Arkenoi | why there is no ionice on maemo? | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: so you and gconftool became friends? | 15:29 |
| jonwil | yep | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 15:29 |
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| ccooke | Arkenoi: Spite? (size constraints and the fact that practically nobody would use it, probably) | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | Arkenoi, missing on kernel level I think | 15:30 |
| BCMM | i want to know why maemo in general doesn't make better use of regular nice | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | err?? | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait | 15:31 |
| BCMM | if HAM ran nice, you'd be able to actually use the phone while installing updates | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | Sorry, confused with ionotify | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | HAM runs nice | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: Oh - mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0:width=640:height=480:input=0:norm= -vo null -ao null seems to take ~0.4s before starting | 15:31 |
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| MohammadAG | dpkg slows down the device | 15:31 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: not entirely sure what you mean by that... that'll be mostly application startup, right? | 15:32 |
| BCMM | oh, 0.4 isn't long at all... comparable with delay in the camera app in fact? | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: The camera app - for me takes around 0.8s to show first pic | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: maybe just needs somebody to build util-linux-ng | 15:34 |
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| jonwil | ok, good, looks like those GUIDs match to gconf entries with the info about the wireless network (or cell network in the case of GSM) | 15:36 |
| markinfo | DocScrutinizer, Super - that was it - default Camera program simply does not focus - you must to hold button for a second. Now it is nice - as I expect. .... Is there a reason to not focus always when a picture is taken? | 15:36 |
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| BCMM | SpeedEvil: we seem to have very different views of the camera app - for me, start time is OK but button->picture time is too long | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | markinfo: that's how the better cameras work | 15:37 |
| markinfo | maybe it takes a bit time to focus always - you can take faster series of similar pictures. | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, for example | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: I care about them both - open to first picture taken | 15:38 |
| jonwil | Step 1 is to produce a tool that displays the name of all the WLAN_INFRA networks that exist under the gconf /system/osso/connectivity/IAP entry and lets you pick one (which it then stores in a setting somewhere) | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | or focus on some detail, then change view | 15:38 |
| BCMM | i keep it as the default when the cover is opened because if i get the n900 out of my pocket and open "on the way", it's ready by the time i'm ready to compose the shot | 15:38 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: yeah, i do think that's a pretty important time | 15:38 |
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| BCMM | it could be a bit better, but it's mostly acceptable | 15:39 |
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| Arkenoi | ccooke: given io is the most annoying bottleneck on the device, the absence of the only tuning utility for it is ridiculous. | 15:40 |
| BCMM | e.g. i was outside and *heard* a family of low-flying swans approaching (to fly almost overhead), and the phone reacted fast enough for me to get a shot of them at their closest approach | 15:40 |
| markinfo | Gimp does not ask anything by the opening .dng pictures. And I have Linux. I am using Geeqie as image viewer - and it displays also only Thumbnails. | 15:41 |
| BCMM | markinfo: i guess your GIMP has different (probably compile-time) settings from mine | 15:42 |
| BCMM | markinfo: mine pops up UFRaw to handle the import for it - you could just use UFRaw in a standalone-way | 15:43 |
| markinfo | well - i have deinstalled uraw modul - as it causd problem a few days ago - it explain that. | 15:44 |
| markinfo | but again focusing - wenn there is video taking - how to focus during recording? | 15:44 |
| BCMM | ah, i've worked out where my priorities come from - app start time is a fairly small component compared to the delay cause by me, as i get the phone out of my pocket and open the cover | 15:44 |
| BCMM | whereas button->shutter delay happens when i am completely ready and waiting to photograph something and hit the button at the perfect moment but get an empty frame | 15:45 |
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| BCMM | markinfo: oh, there's an application that does that, but it's a bit hackish | 15:45 |
| BCMM | because the camera app is closed (can't be modified), it's implemented as a seperate window with a slider | 15:46 |
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| markinfo | BCMM - do you know the name of this app? | 15:48 |
| BCMM | markinfo: lfocus i think | 15:49 |
| BCMM | http://maemo.org/packages/view/lfocus/ | 15:49 |
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| BCMM | http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/05/06/lfocus-hack-gives-you-manual-focus-during-video-capture-makes-n900-an-incredible-video-capture-tool/ explains it | 15:50 |
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| BCMM | oh i'd forgotten that - there are KB shortcuts so you don't have to always have a slider obscuring your shot | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | can use hw keys afaik | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | also can start LED videolight | 15:51 |
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| * jonwil wishes he had a second wireless network so he could test things | 15:58 | |
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| ZogG | BCMM o/ | 16:02 |
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| BCMM | ZogG: ? | 16:03 |
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| markinfo | if I can not find any lfocus program I need to add Repository -or? How to do that most easy? | 16:04 |
| BCMM | markinfo: what's "-or"? | 16:05 |
| BCMM | markinfo: i appears to be in extras-testing and extras-devel, but not in extras yet | 16:06 |
| BCMM | markinfo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing but really really read the caveats | 16:07 |
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| BCMM | talking of repositories, how can i list installed applications from specific repos, e.g. find everything i have installed from extras-devel? | 16:08 |
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| * jonwil wonders if the guy who said he was going to ask the right people about the libbmeipc-dev package and the isi/phonet calls for GPS ever asked about them | 16:18 | |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if a 3G modem can be unlocked | 16:21 |
| jonwil | depends what brand of 3G modem | 16:21 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: can you upgrade its firmware somehow? | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | HUAWEI E1552 | 16:23 |
| kerio | if you can, then it *is* possible | 16:23 |
| kerio | it's just a matter of doing it | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, it's a USB one, so I guess yeah | 16:24 |
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| korhojoa | frals: halp! IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/user/.fmms/temp/2011nnnn_xxx.jpg' | 16:27 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ping | 16:28 |
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| frals | korhojoa: sudo gainroot; chmod -R user:users /home/user/.fmms/ | 16:28 |
| frals | korhojoa: when are you getting this and what are you trying to do? :) | 16:28 |
| korhojoa | frals: i already did that :< I'm trying to send a mms | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, any ideas how I could get the IMEI? | 16:29 |
| frals | korhojoa: ls -l /home/user/.fmms/temp/2011nnnn_xxx.jpg | 16:29 |
| kerio | label under it? | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, none there | 16:29 |
| korhojoa | frals: also, i did chown, not chmod :P | 16:29 |
| alterego | The IMEI should be written on it. | 16:29 |
| jonwil | If you can send AT commands to it, there is one that could give you the IMEI | 16:29 |
| kerio | official interface? | 16:29 |
| korhojoa | frals: there's nothing there | 16:29 |
| markinfo | why some programs with same version are here: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/ and also hier http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras_free_armel/ ? | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | [ 1656.134712] usb 1-1.1: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB1 | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, windows, yuck | 16:30 |
| kerio | indeed | 16:30 |
| frals | korhojoa: ls -l /home/user/.fmms/ | 16:30 |
| korhojoa | frals: well, with the exception of the LAST_INCOMING | 16:30 |
| MohammadAG | jonwil, can I do that with ttyUSB0/1 | 16:30 |
| korhojoa | frals: mms, mms.db, push, sent, temp. | 16:31 |
| jonwil | try AT+CIMI | 16:31 |
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| frals | korhojoa: whats the owner/permissions? | 16:31 |
| korhojoa | mms.db has got funny permissions though | 16:31 |
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| korhojoa | user:users, drwxr-xr-x | 16:31 |
| korhojoa | but mms.db has got -rw-r--r-- | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | jonwil, err, how? | 16:31 |
| alterego | How is that funny? | 16:31 |
| jonwil | via AT commands | 16:31 |
| Sicelo | MohammadAG: there used to be some software, dccrap that could unlock a modem under Windows | 16:31 |
| Sicelo | i don't know about the legality of the software though | 16:32 |
| frals | korhojoa: hm, dunno why its failing then | 16:32 |
| korhojoa | well, how come all the other ones can be read by the group? | 16:32 |
| jonwil | if you can send it AT commands though some mechanism you can send it AT+CIMI | 16:32 |
| jonwil | or AT+CGSM | 16:32 |
| jonwil | AT+CGSN | 16:32 |
| jonwil | one of those 2 will return the IMEI | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | well, what software can I use to send commands? | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | pnatd | 16:32 |
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| jonwil | I think I used a terminal program to send AT commands before | 16:33 |
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| jonwil | as in something like HyperTerminal on windows | 16:33 |
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| jonwil | although I havent done it in ages | 16:33 |
| jonwil | and never done it on Linux | 16:33 |
| alterego | I use gtkterm on ubuntu | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, USB | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | miniterm | 16:34 |
| lardman | or minicom | 16:35 |
| frals | korhojoa: as long as user has rw on temp it should work, dunno why its giving permission denied | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | err, miniterm? | 16:35 |
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| frals | korhojoa: your whole system isnt borked so its in ro mode by any chance? | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | minicom? mompls... | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | minicom | 16:36 |
| Sicelo | maybe he meant minicom :-/ | 16:37 |
| korhojoa | frals: no, don't think so, seeing as i can write there | 16:37 |
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| frals | korhojoa: what happens if you try touching the file as user that fmms fails to create? | 16:37 |
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| korhojoa | frals: worked just fine | 16:38 |
| korhojoa | it's trying to create the file? why is it failing? :< | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | minicom wants to access tty8 | 16:38 |
| frals | korhojoa: can you send me the whole log? | 16:38 |
| korhojoa | sure. | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | ah, -D | 16:39 |
| alterego | /dev/ttyACM2 you want | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | alt-a iirc | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | nah | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | USB1 | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | jonwil, both commands send a number | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | a different one, I'm assuming it's IMSI? | 16:40 |
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| alterego | IMEI will start with 35 | 16:40 |
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| jonwil | one is IMEI, one would be IMSI | 16:40 |
| alterego | Oh, I thought you were using the N900 :P | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: not on a 3G USB stick of huawei :-P | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | and if I have an unlock code, is there a way to send it over minicom? | 16:42 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: pong | 16:42 |
| korhojoa | frals: wtf?! | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | atdt<number> | 16:42 |
| korhojoa | frals: i just tried again, and now it worked just fine | 16:42 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I'm obviously completely wrong :P | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply ADT<number> | 16:42 |
| inz | ATDP! | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 16:42 |
| inz | Shame that gsm doesn't support. =) | 16:42 |
| frals | korhojoa: weird | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | NO CARRIER | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ATD of course | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | is what it returned | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | does that mean it was unlocked? | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | not necessarily | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a cmd to query the locks | 16:43 |
| korhojoa | frals: well. i made you one anyway. http://ad.dy.fi/~joakim/fmms_worked.txt | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, any ideas what it is? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://nobbi.com/atgsm.html basics, german. mompls... | 16:51 |
| markinfo | how to start this script: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lfocus/0.914-1/ | 16:52 |
| markinfo | http://maemo.org/packages/view/lfocus/ | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.ctiforum.com/standard/standard/etsi/0707.pdf <--ultimate | 16:55 |
| lardman | X-Fade: about package promotion | 16:55 |
| lardman | X-Fade: Trying to promote mBarcode, but different plugins have different maintainers, is there a way of allowing myself to promote them? | 16:55 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Yes, ask to be maintainer for those plugins too? | 16:56 |
| inz | doc, that is quite ancient ;) | 16:56 |
| lardman | well that's actually a problem specifically for one plugin whose author has disappeared | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm not sure what to look for :P | 16:57 |
| inz | Doc, although in much nicer format than what 3GPP provides. | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | 7.4 +CLCK | 16:57 |
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| lardman | the secondary concern is that both Dragly and myself are doing dev work, and we'd like either of us to be able to promote packages. Does adding other people to e.g. the Uploaders field allow this? | 16:57 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ERROR | 16:58 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: any ideas? | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | lardman: 'Request to be maintainer of this package' :) | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | lardman: There is a link for that on the package page. The other maintainer then gets a mail and needs to click a link. | 17:00 |
| lardman | and the latter point, about multiple people being able to promote packages? | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | lardman: then you have multiple maintainers :) | 17:00 |
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| lardman | How does one set that up? | 17:00 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: click on the freaking link! :) | 17:01 |
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| lardman | calm! :) | 17:01 |
| lardman | ok | 17:01 |
| lardman | I was only asking if it's possible before I start clicking random buttons ;) | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: +CLCK is wrong cmd, mompls | 17:02 |
| lardman | but thanks for the info :) | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yes, you can have as many as you want. | 17:02 |
| lardman | cool, thanks | 17:02 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: sorry, one more.... What happens if the original author doens't reply? | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Then I can accept it. | 17:03 |
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| lardman | cool, will do some link clicking then :) | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: seems that's a device specific thing | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway you can try e.g at+cpin? | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at+cfun? | 17:08 |
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| MohammadAG | trying to unlock it in a VM | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, CPIN = ERROR | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: for unlocking you might want to try AT+CUSD=1,<unlock-code> | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's no valid response | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | at+cpin? | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | +CME ERROR: <some string> | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | <some string> = READY means no PIN expected, I.E unlocked | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | PIN-unlocked | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | <some string> = SIM PIN means "waiting for PIN" | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AT+CUSD=1,"*#123#",15 | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sending *#123# | 17:16 |
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| markinfo | i have installed http://maemo.org/packages/view/lfocus/ how to start this script? | 17:31 |
| javispedro | wow | 17:34 |
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| javispedro | I just realized that I've been using the windows version of python running under wine as my main python interpreter for the last year. | 17:34 |
| javispedro | and _no_ problems. | 17:34 |
| andre__ | hehe | 17:34 |
| korhojoa | :D | 17:35 |
| timeless_webchat | javispedro: i'd assume it's faster | 17:35 |
| javispedro | until I've got this project where I was thinking "why the fsck it sends Y:\usr\bin" instead of /usr/bin | 17:35 |
| timeless_webchat | heh | 17:35 |
| javispedro | somehow crossover added a python symlink in ~/bin which was in my PATH :P | 17:36 |
| javispedro | oh, it's full of stuff. | 17:36 |
| javispedro | like a symlink to winword | 17:37 |
| javispedro | (wtf?) | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | well | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | tried unlocking using some window app | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | it says card successfully unlocked, but it's still locked :/ | 17:38 |
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| javispedro | card? window app? | 17:41 |
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| MohammadAG | Huawei E1552 | 17:42 |
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| MohammadAG | it's a USB 3G modem, didn't know it was locked when I bought it | 17:42 |
| javispedro | oh | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what means locked? SIMlock? | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | netlock? | 17:46 |
| baraujo | MohammadAG, I used DC-unlocker successfully on two 3G modems, and it worked well | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a simple hw lock | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: there are actually quite a number of fundamentally different locks | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so what are you talking about? | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SIMlock and NETlock usually need a device specific code of some 10..20 digits that is calculated from IMEI | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HW lock is like N900 12345 and it's usually unclear how to reset it | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HW lock just forbids swapping of SIM | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also HW lock usually is set by user, not by manufacturer/carrier | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | or is your SIM locked, I.E do you need a PUK? | 17:51 |
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| Khertan1 | Hello ! | 17:58 |
| lardman | hey khertan | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I can only use a SIM from the same operator | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, SIMlock | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather you googled | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | baraujo, that needs credits though, right? | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, there've been tools in rapidshare or sth | 18:00 |
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| Khertan1 | 'lo lardman ! | 18:00 |
| baraujo | MohammadAG, yep, that's the downside | 18:00 |
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| MohammadAG | tried dccrap | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | It says unlocked, checking status again says locked | 18:01 |
| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: why not use an n900 :) | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, 4 batteries aren't enough | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.unlockforum.com/showthread.php/12554-FOR-SEND-CODE-to-Huawei-modem-USE-THIS-TOOL?s=5b039bd627a2a2fa09025df5311024dd | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | and this is a data sim | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: aiui there's original SIM needed frequently to unlock :-/ | 18:02 |
| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: ah ... 4 batteries ... hum :) i ve the same problem actually :) | 18:03 |
| Khertan1 | too few battery power :( | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, well, I have a sim that works in it | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least with my Siemens phone it's been like that | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | not the original one, but works non the less | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and that SIM was inserted and PIN entered when you unlocked? | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | what PIN? | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | I just clicked "unlock" | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, I don't know if your stick / SIM is configured to ask for PIN | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever, the SIM needs to be accessable | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. booked in I guess | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I suspect the unlock command doesn't work when there's no/wrong SIM inserted | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just blocked, like all the other functions of modem | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | trying code 34601031 on COM7 | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | ........................................................ | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | CODE ACCEPTED | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | code? | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | oh yay | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what kinda code is that? and who does that echo? | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually, sorry I got not a single word of what you posted | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | except maybe COM7 which might indicate you're talking about redmond crap | 18:09 |
| kerio | ACCEPT TEH CODEZ | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH | 18:10 |
| javispedro | OVERRIDE LOCK | 18:10 |
| kerio | SWORDFISH | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, take it somewhere else... nah, I'll go somewhere else, this is really 100% noise here | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | welcome to the club | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moh pasting gibberish without context, and the others joining in | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and /me wasting my time and getting pissed about that | 18:13 |
| ccooke | DocScrutinizer: it wasn't gibberish, it's just not been explained yet... | 18:13 |
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| ccooke | (Okay, it's not *definitely* gibberish) | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, unlock code worked, thanks for the link | 18:15 |
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| KevinB | hi everyone | 18:30 |
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| KevinB | is there a package for qtcreator on N900 | 18:31 |
| KevinB | I mean qtcreator binary running on n900 | 18:32 |
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| Venemo | hi everyone :) | 18:38 |
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| BluesLee | hi guys, how do i post images in tmo with "click this bar to view the image"? | 18:44 |
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| evilbulgarian | hi, how can i execute commands as root in the power menu? | 18:46 |
| evilbulgarian | i basically want to start vpnc with a config parameter | 18:47 |
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| BluesLee | evilbulgarian: have a look http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55734 | 18:48 |
| BluesLee | no one here who posts images/screenshots at talk.maemo.org? | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | evilbulgarian: sudo | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | evilbulgarian: /etc/sudoers | 18:50 |
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| evilbulgarian | BluesLee, SpeedEvil ty | 18:58 |
| evilbulgarian | BluesLee: so in there i dont see how to execute an command i see how to start a terminal | 18:58 |
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| MohammadAG | PR1.1 for the N8's apparently out | 18:59 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: is it any good? | 19:00 |
| BluesLee | MohammadAG: you mean maemo pr1.1 ported to n8?;-) | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | they only added a gray line to each item in a list | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: in extended edit there's an icn in the toolbar | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | icon | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG | at least that's what I noticed in less than 1 minute | 19:02 |
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| MohammadAG | as cool as the N8 can be, I get bored with it, so I haven't checked what changed | 19:02 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: i got it thanx "insert image" i tried it with attachments etc before | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia Bubbles is an awesome concept, and if it's in qml, we could rip the files out | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | also I noticed a trick on the N8 | 19:03 |
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| MohammadAG | locking the screen changes colour depth and screen framerate | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | it lowers both | 19:03 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: unfortunately the icon doesnt look like an "insert image" icon :-) | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, touched a N8 in RL for the first time today. OMG they did it again: cam got a lump so you can't place the device flat on table. Will they ever learn? | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | they did with the N97 | 19:05 |
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| MohammadAG | then got amnesia | 19:05 |
| nidO | the e7 back's flat | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | the N97 had a bottom "lump" that makes it lie properly on a table | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | dead links, yay http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/How_to_unpack_.sis_file | 19:06 |
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| BluesLee | evilbulgarian: i think you have to use the xml node "argument" for that | 19:07 |
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| BluesLee | evilbulgarian: have a look at the "top" entry | 19:08 |
| BluesLee | evilbulgarian: just replace /usr/bin/top by whatever you want to run in the terminal | 19:08 |
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| evilbulgarian | BluesLee: yeah i want to just run it in background | 19:09 |
| evilbulgarian | i see some stuff in the comments of that page u sent me | 19:09 |
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| BluesLee | MohammadAG: yeah the idea with the bubbles is good, do you think that you need more than 3 hours for an maemo implementation?:-) | 19:11 |
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| MohammadAG | BluesLee, a lot more | 19:16 |
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| MohammadAG | I need to figure out how the display goes to 0 brightness with nothing showing | 19:17 |
| BluesLee | MohammadAG: just a joke ... | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | BluesLee, tbh, I'm not joking | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | I want to clone it | 19:19 |
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| BluesLee | MohammadAG: but there was a desktop bubbles demo implementation on maemo/meego of a company some time ago | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | that's for MeeGo, and it's a whole UI | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | not a lock screen | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | Digia I think | 19:20 |
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| BluesLee | MohammadAG: yeah | 19:21 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG are you thinking to clone the bubbles from nokia labs? | 19:35 |
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| bjv | can the 770 act as a serial console over.. usb? | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, yes | 19:36 |
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| bjv | im trying to flash to enable r&d mode + serial console | 19:36 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG i think it's too big | 19:36 |
| RST38h | Well. Moo, all. | 19:37 |
| bjv | but the device is not being picked up by the flasher | 19:37 |
| bjv | "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy" | 19:37 |
| bjv | wiki suggests removing cdc_phonet module http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:37 |
| ZogG | bjv, there was some issue with modules i met on arch and some guys on ubuntu | 19:37 |
| bjv | which i did have installed, | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, nothing's too big | 19:37 |
| bjv | probably because i was messing with a nokia ca-42 | 19:37 |
| bjv | which is a usb serial device | 19:38 |
| bjv | but | 19:38 |
| bjv | removing the module, when i replug the tablet and turn it back on, the module is inserted again | 19:38 |
| trumee | Microb doesnt take input from a search input box which works fine in desktop firefox | 19:38 |
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| javispedro | omg OMAP5 | 19:39 |
| trumee | anybody want to test that by opening a webpage in microb? | 19:39 |
| ZogG | in qt creator i don't have maemo mod | 19:39 |
| javispedro | moo RST38h | 19:39 |
| bjv | ZogG: is this a feature, though? i'd love to just hook a usb cable up and have a ttyUSB ready to go | 19:39 |
| ZogG | i can run it as regular app | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | need some help | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | how do I turn off the display? | 19:39 |
| ZogG | do i need maemo sdk as well? | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/omap2_mcspi.1/spi1.0/disable_ts | 19:40 |
| bjv | maybe not "love" but it would be nice to be aware of the capability, so i can work around it | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | disables input, but doesn't turn off the display | 19:40 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: search for fb0 there, inside it, find "blank" | 19:40 |
| bjv | mm, found arch thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33543 | 19:41 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: a more interesting question is then going to be "how you unblank it". ensure you have a way to reset the device nearby ;) | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | echo 1 and 0 | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | nice | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | thanks javispedro | 19:41 |
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| * MohammadAG starts cloning Nokia bubbles | 19:41 | |
| ZogG | so if i write some app how do i run it in qt creator as it's on maemo? | 19:42 |
| ZogG | it starts as regular app | 19:42 |
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| MohammadAG | right, so to clone this, I need to write a daemon that listens to screen and keyboard events | 19:45 |
| ZogG | why would you? | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | cause the original lock screen is that daemon | 19:46 |
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| ZogG | can't you just patch it? | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | with something like a clone of Nokia bubbles? | 19:46 |
| javispedro | I do not believe that is how it works | 19:47 |
| javispedro | well | 19:47 |
| javispedro | the daemon is mce | 19:47 |
| ZogG | no | 19:47 |
| javispedro | but I do not think it throws UI | 19:47 |
| ZogG | i mean to make some kind of layer to apply any unlock in future | 19:48 |
| ZogG | like in android | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, move the systemui_tklock.so module | 19:48 |
| ZogG | they can change them | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's in Nokia-N900:/usr/lib/systemui# | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | then killall systemui | 19:48 |
| javispedro | so it's systemui the one that throws UI :) | 19:48 |
| alterego | What are you trying to do? | 19:48 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: systemui and mce probably talk over the system bus. | 19:49 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: mce being the one monitoring activity, handling backlight, etc. and invoking tklock as necessary. | 19:50 |
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| javispedro | (harmattan has a qt systemui but the usual mce, so they should be swappable) | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, I can't tklock without that file | 19:53 |
| javispedro | _obviously_ as that's the UI. | 19:54 |
| javispedro | I'm just saying that you should replace that. | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, right now? Replace the stock lock screen with a simple QMainWindow | 19:54 |
| javispedro | in fact, you could probably move that into a separate binary, without the need to fuss with systemui. | 19:54 |
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| javispedro | and you need not bother with activity, etc. just watch out for what mce says. | 19:54 |
| javispedro | for ex. http://www.google.com/search?q=tklock_open | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, yes, that's what I'm thinking | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/ak7w2Mpj | 19:55 |
| javispedro | no, you're doing much work, mce should be the one killing the screen. | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | it's not | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | try it yourself | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | mv the binary and killall systemui | 19:57 |
| MohammadAG | lock key won't function | 19:57 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: yes, but the dbus signals still are. | 19:57 |
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| alterego | So you wait for the dbus signal and show your fullscreen window. | 19:57 |
| MohammadAG | and it's not much work, just need to tie DBus signals with some simple functions | 19:57 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, again, that's what I want to do | 19:58 |
| alterego | Either that, or you work out the plugin interface for that .so | 19:59 |
| alterego | Or you could try requesting the API from Nokia ... | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | but without that binary, touching the screen unlocks the device | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | I'll stay away from those | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | I don't have to interface with systemui | 19:59 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: obviously lock key won't work, you've removed the UI. But mce is the one that would shut the screen off if UI was present. | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | true | 20:00 |
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| javispedro | so try not to fiddle with sysfs unnecessarily. | 20:02 |
| javispedro | http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui/trees/master/src/systemui/screenlock | 20:03 |
| javispedro | creenLockWindow::ScreenLockWindow(...) : public MWindow () ;) | 20:03 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:"locked" | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | that should work regardless of systemui | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | yet it doesn't | 20:06 |
| javispedro | what happens on the system bus? | 20:08 |
| javispedro | does it try to contact systemui-tklock and gets an error? | 20:08 |
| javispedro | that probably happens | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | no errors | 20:09 |
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| javispedro | meego source says it calls com.nokia.system_ui.request.tklock_open | 20:09 |
| javispedro | method_call | 20:09 |
| javispedro | so it fails, then returns FALSE | 20:09 |
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| javispedro | so it cancels the set_tklock_state call | 20:09 |
| javispedro | and nothing happens | 20:10 |
| javispedro | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/tklock.c | 20:10 |
| javispedro | so, just implement a daemon answering that on system bus | 20:10 |
| javispedro | the interface is there (ssssubb) | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | \o/ a humbe 15min and N810 GOT A gps fix | 20:10 |
| javispedro | and when that is replied succesfully, mce will proceed to disable kp/tp events. | 20:11 |
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| javispedro | and so some more stuff.... | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | friggin shite. you're hacking with mce? | 20:12 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: you got agps support at least? =) | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno? | 20:13 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: MohammadAG wants to do a replacement lock screen UI | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aaah | 20:13 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: you have the agps beta stuff? | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 20:13 |
| javispedro | ah. | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but that usually confuses me | 20:13 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, so how do i emulate on computer the app as it's on maemo with qt creator | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or my gps | 20:13 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: to inspect method_calls and errors on system bus you might need to do this: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?Tools&id=1106&type=g | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not sure AGPS beta does anything | 20:16 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: (dbus-monitor part) | 20:16 |
| ZogG | =( | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: the N810 got 4 correct sats with somewhat correct signals, on second start of maps app. Nevertheless it took 15 min to get a fix from same 4 sats | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | looks to me like it needs full download from sat, so no A for GPS from beta? | 20:20 |
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| javispedro | well it kinda works for me | 20:21 |
| javispedro | without agps it's basically NO fix at all. | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I don't even have a clue whether the AGPS beta needs to be started or installed and config'd is enough | 20:21 |
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| javispedro | well it's a slightly overengineered setup | 20:22 |
| javispedro | with two daemons | 20:22 |
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| javispedro | so no idea how many, many ways it can go wrong :) | 20:24 |
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| ShadowJK | it doesn't need to be running | 20:29 |
| ShadowJK | but agps beta only works with one server, and depending on where in the world you are, the dns will or will not give the one compatible server :P | 20:30 |
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| javispedro | that can be quickly check with the UI (open it, see status dialog) | 20:30 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah | 20:31 |
| nwidger | does anyone know when the pidgin extra protocols package is going to be fixed so that AIM works again? im still have to downgrade to an earlier version to use AIM. | 20:31 |
| pupnik_ | have any of you streamed video from the n900's main camera? | 20:31 |
| pupnik_ | if i could get 640x480 streamed mpeg4 from it, i'd have a use that would justify the expense | 20:32 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | encoding 640x480 to mpeg4/asp is going to be difficult :) | 20:33 |
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| pupnik | what's the resolution of n900's recorded video? | 20:35 |
| javispedro | 800x480 | 20:35 |
| pupnik | nice | 20:35 |
| javispedro | mpeg4 asf, ~25fps iirc. | 20:35 |
| pupnik | think gstreamer could do it? | 20:35 |
| javispedro | not by software alone on the a8 seemingly. | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: shouldn't a small line in /etc/hosts fix that? | 20:35 |
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| javispedro | on the n900 it has dsp help, afaik. | 20:36 |
| Venemo | hey again | 20:36 |
| pupnik | yes i'd of course want to use hw / iva for it | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you know what's the supl.url.foo and what's a IP of working box? | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, this wasn't such a deafening boombastic idea that the whole chan is hush ;-D | 20:49 |
| javispedro | it was on a tmo thread recently, lemme google it up | 20:50 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=884296&postcount=10 | 20:51 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the IP mentioned there works fine here | 20:51 |
| javispedro | also, I remember there's no need for /etc/hosts at all, there's a gconf key to entry the server IP directly | 20:51 |
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| javispedro | at /system/osso/supl/ | 20:52 |
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| Kowalczyk | hi... I was planning to reinstall my nokia n900... using the flasher and stuff.. but the webpage at nokia is down.. is there any other way to get the flasher and firmware and emmc file? | 21:00 |
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| qpdb | hello. i have troubles connecting to wlan.. iwlist shows me "wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down" | 21:04 |
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| bjv | phoNeT is a nokia protocol, but for hsdpa/other modem devices | 21:06 |
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| bjv | so an n770 hooked up with home key pressed for flashing | 21:06 |
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| Kowalczyk | anyone know of any other page to the the flasher, and firmware and emmc? | 21:06 |
| bjv | really should not be picked up as a phonet device | 21:06 |
| javispedro | qpdb: any reason you don't use the user interface? | 21:06 |
| javispedro | Kowalczyk: none. tomorrow it will be probably fixed. | 21:06 |
| Kowalczyk | ok.... I hope so :) | 21:07 |
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| qpdb | javispedro, gui doesnt work too. and since it doesnt show my any technical information, i try find out what the problem is by cmdline now :) | 21:08 |
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| javispedro | qpdb: to fix that one error message you need to "ifconfig wlan0 up", but I suggest you reboot if it doesn't work then. | 21:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: thanks pal | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | the N8 colour depth thing is just weird | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | why does it change colour depth on screen lock | 21:14 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Two possibilities | 21:16 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: 1) 16bit or even 12bit color requires less power 2) their screensaver has been coded ages ago, in lores color mode | 21:16 |
| nidO | a minor battery power saving while in a state the colour depth isnt terribly important? | 21:16 |
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| qpdb | javispedro, rebooting doesnt help. after running ifconfig wlan0 up, iwlist works again, but connecting via user interface fails and causes wlan0 to be down again | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: What makes me mad is that S60e5 does not let me switch to 16bpp mode using standard Symbian API | 21:18 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: And blitting pixels in the 32bpp mode is twice the work | 21:18 |
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| javispedro | qpdb: that does not ring any bell so it might be hard to debug. Unless you have time for lots of detective work on your own, it might be time to reflash... | 21:19 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, http://i54.tinypic.com/2e2lzrn.jpg | 21:20 |
| * javispedro curses cryptic g++ diagnostic messages | 21:21 | |
| RST38h | Mohammad: yooooo.... | 21:21 |
| javispedro | "declaration of .... is not in a cycle". | 21:21 |
| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: __tiny__pic.com | 21:21 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: This is 4bpp | 21:21 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I never knew this mode existed. The worst I knowis 12bpp (inside 16bpp) | 21:22 |
| Venemo | does https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ work for anyone here? | 21:22 |
| javispedro | Venemo: seems that the stuff maemo.org has on akamai is all down again | 21:22 |
| slonopotamus | Venemo: of course no | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Venemo: no | 21:23 |
| Venemo | so I can't upload. great. | 21:23 |
| vi_ | so who is going to port rem for the 50$?? | 21:23 |
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| vi_ | mo? | 21:23 |
| vi_ | no? | 21:23 |
| qpdb | javispedro, after trying to connect dmesg shows: wl1251 firmware booted (4.0.4.3.7); multiple timed out auth retries; wl1251 down | 21:23 |
| RST38h | vi_: Whoever gets the remaining $9950 | 21:23 |
| javispedro | qpdb: wrong password / auth info in connection settings. | 21:23 |
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| vi_ | sorry TREMULOUS! | 21:24 |
| vi_ | and what is the 9950? | 21:25 |
| Venemo | javispedro, slonopotamus, RST38h: so is there any way to upload to -devel while the assistant is down? | 21:25 |
| javispedro | Venemo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 21:26 |
| javispedro | see dput/scp | 21:26 |
| slonopotamus | Venemo: dput/scp so some mysterious url | 21:26 |
| slonopotamus | s/ so / to / | 21:26 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: Venemo: dput/scp to some mysterious url | 21:26 |
| RST38h | Venemo: yes | 21:27 |
| Venemo | ok, thanks | 21:27 |
| vi_ | T-R-E-M-U-L-O-U-S! | 21:28 |
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| MohammadAG | umm | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | can I sniff URLs with wireshark? | 21:28 |
| RST38h | yes | 21:29 |
| qpdb | javispedro, the passwd is double checked, i also tried using different auth methods wpa, wpa2. it also fails when supplying wrong passwords (instead of asking me for passwd again?) | 21:29 |
| vi_ | yes | 21:30 |
| qpdb | javispedro, it worked fine for a long time | 21:30 |
| slonopotamus | yes | 21:30 |
| vi_ | mmmm...reflash. it is the only way | 21:30 |
| javispedro | oh time to unsubscribe from a handful of tmo threads, got 410 notification emails today.. | 21:31 |
| RST38h | wow, you get around | 21:32 |
| |R | Wi part | 21:32 |
| * RST38h usually gets mbarcode thread notifications | 21:32 | |
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| javispedro | usually very quiet but seems that today lemmings are running around scared because of something about android | 21:32 |
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| RST38h | what about it> | 21:34 |
| RST38h | Someone has finally released an android simulator? | 21:35 |
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| javispedro | someone who had a competing dalvik vm released videos of it plus a handful of android classes on n900. | 21:35 |
| RST38h | omgkawaiiiiii | 21:36 |
| javispedro | will probably license to oems only though | 21:36 |
| javispedro | it's going to be more a "port-your-app-to-meego-quicker" thingie. | 21:36 |
| javispedro | yet they showed stock apps on the video.. | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | looks like the source code has been published? | 21:37 |
| javispedro | I'd doubt it | 21:37 |
| javispedro | their VM is propietary | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | oh well | 21:38 |
| javispedro | either way | 21:38 |
| javispedro | I do not believe this is very hard | 21:38 |
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| javispedro | I've been reading the Android SDK lately for an unrelated reason and there's mentions of hosted-x86 | 21:38 |
| pupnik | cool | 21:39 |
| javispedro | seemingly google already has such builds for internal testing | 21:39 |
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| javispedro | (~ builds of dalvik and core framework that run under a "normal" linux userspace) | 21:39 |
| pupnik | that's what i want | 21:39 |
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| pupnik | wonder how they deal with the security model though | 21:40 |
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| qpdb | re | 21:40 |
| javispedro | they might very well ignore it. | 21:40 |
| javispedro | that's what I'd do at least =) | 21:40 |
| pupnik | true | 21:40 |
| javispedro | just reimplement the Skia routines over X11 and release the thing =) | 21:41 |
| vi_ | meh android is shareware at best | 21:41 |
| javispedro | With the mininal knowledge of Android I have I so far doubt they will reach a considerable compatibility level, which is probably why they're licensing to oems | 21:42 |
| javispedro | *I have so far I doubt | 21:42 |
| Venemo | javispedro: I updated my public key. then I tried to upload but got "Permission denied (publickey)." | 21:42 |
| javispedro | wait a few minutes | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | you need to wait 30 minutes or so | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, how do I run an N8 through wireshark? | 21:43 |
| javispedro | hah. | 21:44 |
| javispedro | since I never cared about Wi-Fi sniffing you might want to configure your linux box as a router (usually trivial and a mattar of enabling a sysctl setting) and then set the N8's default gateway to your linux box. | 21:44 |
| * javispedro is talking too much today and should be doing work | 21:45 | |
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| TiagoTiago | hi | 21:46 |
| pupnik | another altnative might be a sort of user-mode kernel http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ | 21:46 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: 1) Connect N8 to the network via wifi | 21:47 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: 2) Connect your Linux PC into a wired portof the same wifi router | 21:48 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: 3) Run Wireshark on the Linux PC, with root privileges | 21:48 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, and the linux box will sniff the router? o_O | 21:49 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: 4) Use Wireshark to put your ethernet card into promiscous mode | 21:49 |
| TiagoTiago | i was trying to use my N900 as an endoscope, with the TV-out cable and live focus keeping the LED on and the folcus on macro mode, to get a better view of inside my computer (which is turned off but still plugged), but then i got zapped, seems holding the N900 with the TV-out cable plugged is somehow closing some circuit, doesn't happen if i pull out the TV-out cable nor if i try touching the computer case and the metal bits of the c | 21:49 |
| TiagoTiago | harger cable | 21:49 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: When in promiscous mode, the ethernet card will receive ALL the packets that show up in your local network | 21:49 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Among them should be the packets coming from N8 | 21:49 |
| TiagoTiago | aparently the N900 remained oblivious to the shock except for the interference on the TV-out signal | 21:50 |
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| javispedro | might not work if AP is a switch | 21:50 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Filter them by protocol ( you want namelookups and http) | 21:50 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Yes,may notwork with too smart aps | 21:50 |
| TiagoTiago | any idea what exactly is going on? | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Should work with most cheap residential stuff | 21:50 |
| dado777 | hi people, i have some problem, when i connect openvpn have this message, fail cannot blind sockets . ¿ Some people know resolve? And some people speak spanish? Sorry for my bad english | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, isn't there a way to make my PC act as a proxy? | 21:51 |
| Venemo | javispedro: waited a few minutes, still the same error :( | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | (similar to what javispedro suggested) | 21:51 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I used to think that, but mine's ($50) does that too... | 21:51 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: There is but it is harder | 21:51 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: try what RST38h said first, you might be lucky. | 21:51 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: if you are it makes this much easier. | 21:51 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: The second method is toput your laptop WiFi card into monitor mode or promiscous mode | 21:52 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Actually, you will have to put it into monitor mode, because WiFi cards will usually cut off foreign traffic at the firmware level | 21:52 |
| javispedro | the gateway stuff might work better here :) | 21:53 |
| javispedro | I've never tried but should conceptually work =) | 21:53 |
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| TiagoTiago | wow, even if i pull the plug i still get zapped O.O | 21:53 |
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| TiagoTiago | ah, ok, i do get zapped with just the cable itself, not somthing the N900 is doing; i'm still a bit surprised that the shock still happens with the power plug removed, probably the fault of one of the monitors, but still a bit surprized | 21:56 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: gateway method is harder ot set up | 21:59 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: the wifi monitor thing is known to work well though | 21:59 |
| javispedro | dunno, I have no monitor mode here. | 21:59 |
| RST38h | javispedro: what card? | 21:59 |
| javispedro | none =) | 21:59 |
| RST38h | no wifi? | 21:59 |
| javispedro | not on desktop | 21:59 |
| RST38h | You have got that bloody Lenovo | 22:00 |
| javispedro | either way, I was thinking enabling /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and call it a day :) | 22:00 |
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| dado777 | some people know openvpn ? | 22:08 |
| dado777 | have problem :( | 22:08 |
| n900-space | not me | 22:08 |
| n900-space | sorry | 22:09 |
| n900-space | hi all | 22:09 |
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| n900-space | can anyone tell me how do I get a NOLO image :o? | 22:09 |
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| javispedro | Kowalczyk: n900-space: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ is back up. | 22:10 |
| Kowalczyk | ok. ty :d | 22:10 |
| n900-space | thanks javispedro, but I dont know where to look for nolo in there :$ | 22:12 |
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| javispedro | you probably don't want it and instead want a FIASCO image. | 22:13 |
| javispedro | aka find your device there. | 22:13 |
| n900-space | i'm trying to do a cold flash | 22:13 |
| n900-space | cuz nothing is working on my n900 right now. And it requires a secondary image as the flaher says. Hence I'm looking for it | 22:13 |
| javispedro | what did you do that requires a cold flash? | 22:13 |
| n900-space | javispedro: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69442 | 22:14 |
| n900-space | flasher* | 22:14 |
| n900-space | i'm kind of stuck in this and trying everything. | 22:14 |
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| javispedro | for completeness, the answer to the last post is "yes". | 22:15 |
| javispedro | and, if that does not work, I'd say "try another computer". | 22:15 |
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| n900-space | about the last post, i'm atleast happy to hear that 'u' is not required on linux, right now i dont have linux on my laptop and i'm going to install it as soon as i get a partition ready for linux to install it on | 22:16 |
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| javispedro | It shouldn't be required on Windows either. That's why I suggest another computer... | 22:16 |
| javispedro | but another OS might be fine too. | 22:16 |
| n900-space | all the guides I have read says the "U" key should be pressed before you plug in the sub cable, the flaher doc says the same. | 22:17 |
| javispedro | because if you do so then it gets stuck in flashing mode | 22:17 |
| javispedro | but needs a host to do so. | 22:17 |
| n900-space | I guessed that windows machine requires the "U" pressed for flashing mode to activate but linux doesnt .. from that post that is | 22:17 |
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| n900-space | if i want to continue with the current experiment, I'm stuck here | 22:19 |
| n900-space | C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin -f -R -c -h rx-51:2101 | 22:19 |
| n900-space | trying to make the above command work | 22:19 |
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| n900-space | but now the --secondary parameter is what I need to supply, so I need NOLO boot loader image | 22:20 |
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| n900-space | do you know how can i get that? | 22:20 |
| Per_n900 | Hey guys, quick question. Is there no working start/end of page keyboard shortcut in the browser on pr1.3? | 22:20 |
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| javispedro | n900-space: simply, don't. | 22:21 |
| n900-space | but why | 22:21 |
| javispedro | n900-space: a connection problem is not going to be solved by reflashing the bootloader. | 22:21 |
| n900-space | you think its my laptop ? | 22:21 |
| javispedro | Per_n900: try Shift + Up/Down arrows | 22:21 |
| javispedro | n900-space: or your OS. | 22:21 |
| n900-space | aha | 22:21 |
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| nox- | moin | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: what app to use to add map details to OSM? | 22:22 |
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| Per_n900 | javispedro: excellent, thanks!! | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OSM-mapping | 22:23 |
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| n900-space | I have used the office desktop pc, also running windows 7 32 bits, and that doesnt work too .. flashing n900 on windows 7 32 bits used to always work, but its not working anymore on my cell phone | 22:24 |
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| LjL | so jabber.org doesn't work on os2008, is that correct? | 22:30 |
| jacekowski | no | 22:30 |
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| guille_ | hi | 22:30 |
| guille_ | is the myriad dalvik vm available for download? | 22:31 |
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| jacekowski | not for maemo | 22:31 |
| guille_ | oh, so it is just for meego? | 22:31 |
| jacekowski | so far it's just words | 22:32 |
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| jacekowski | no real software published | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | and a video | 22:32 |
| jacekowski | well, ubuntu people had video 3 years ago | 22:32 |
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| jacekowski | but published dalvik port to glibc would be awesome | 22:33 |
| chx | it's quite an undertaking. | 22:33 |
| jacekowski | not so much if you think about it | 22:34 |
| jacekowski | somebody already done it | 22:34 |
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| jacekowski | just not published | 22:34 |
| chx | hrm? | 22:34 |
| chx | i mean, ubuntu ppl demo'd something two years ago and ... nothing. | 22:35 |
| chx | so how do you think did it? | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | well, there is only one thing you have to do to make it run | 22:35 |
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| jacekowski | well, i'm not even sure about that | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | because i think there is version of dalvik that works on X | 22:36 |
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| chx | o_O | 22:36 |
| dado777 | fail openvpn.... some people can resolve ? | 22:36 |
| jacekowski | the one they use for testing applications | 22:36 |
| guille_ | why do they distribute an image in qemu? | 22:36 |
| guille_ | (then) well I can imagine some reasons, but it could be useful nevertheless | 22:37 |
| jacekowski | well, you can emulate whole platform then | 22:37 |
| dado777 | alguien habla mi idioma ? | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | english | 22:38 |
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| guille_ | dado777: is that turkish? | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | nah | 22:39 |
| dado777 | im from Spain | 22:39 |
| jacekowski | it looks like spanish | 22:39 |
| guille_ | I was kidding :) I'm from Spain too | 22:39 |
| dado777 | but is hard english idiom | 22:40 |
| dado777 | in my country people dont speak english and other idioms | 22:40 |
| dado777 | guille | 22:40 |
| dado777 | eres español ? | 22:40 |
| jacekowski | i'll start speaking russian or polish here | 22:40 |
| guille_ | Indeed, not sure though if it matters to the channel, if you've some question ask me in private | 22:41 |
| thomasjfox | hey, quick maemo packaging question: | 22:41 |
| thomasjfox | If a project like rockbox would already contain a "debian" directory in the root dir, is there a way to specify another debian build rules directory like "debian.maemo" for dpkg-buildpackage? | 22:41 |
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| jacekowski | no | 22:41 |
| jacekowski | you have to detect platform in build scripts | 22:41 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, if you do that I'll start swearing in russian :P | 22:42 |
| gevaerts | How would you handle the control file that way? | 22:42 |
| thomasjfox | hmm. So it would also need a combined "changelog" | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | gevaerts: i've seen you on fosdem | 22:43 |
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| * gevaerts hides! | 22:44 | |
| jacekowski | well, but it will be hard to make universal portable debian package | 22:44 |
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| thomasjfox | jacekowski: Would it make sense to have a "maemo" subdir in the root directory and put the maemo specific "debian" directory there? | 22:48 |
| jacekowski | not really | 22:48 |
| jacekowski | packages would still differ | 22:48 |
| gevaerts | hm, I assume maemo doesn't use the new fancy debian package formats? | 22:48 |
| chx | gevaerts: i am behind, care to give me something to rtfm on that? | 22:50 |
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| * gevaerts tries to find information. He really only knows they exist... | 22:50 | |
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| gevaerts | chx: http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 | 22:51 |
| gevaerts | You can apparently ship a separate tar file with the debian directory in it | 22:51 |
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| chx | ah so THAT's why i got so much grief when installin' my new ssd | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | not supported on maemo autobuilder | 22:53 |
| chx | it was always croaking something about lzma. | 22:53 |
| chx | gevaerts: thanks | 22:53 |
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| gevaerts | jacekowski: that's what I figured | 22:54 |
| Venemo | eh. I generated a new SSH key and uploaded the public key about 20 minutes ago, but I still get the error | 22:54 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: is it rsa key or dss? | 22:55 |
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| Venemo | jacekowski: rsa key, generated with ssh-keygen -t rsa as it says | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | then wait | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | i think it's 30 minutes or 60 for keys to update | 22:56 |
| Venemo | ookay. | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | or maybe 15 | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | how did you put that into a box? | 22:56 |
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| Venemo | scp *.tar.gz *.diff.gz *.changes *.dsc venemo@drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/ | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | not that | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | content of that box with a key | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | what does it exactly say | 22:58 |
| gevaerts | thomasjfox: maybe there could be a way to generate a debian diff based on files stored somewhere other than debian/? (prior to upload to the maemo builders of course) | 22:58 |
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| thomasjfox | gevaerts: Unfortunately, I have no idea | 23:00 |
| thomasjfox | gevaerts: I'll try to ask "paultag" for an opinion, he did the first quick review of the packaging stuff | 23:02 |
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| MohammadAG | hey _nicolai_ | 23:07 |
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| _nicolai_ | Hi | 23:07 |
| RST38h | 8 days uptime. reboot. | 23:08 |
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| _nicolai_ | someone knows how to properly layout a gtkdialog in portrait mode? | 23:09 |
| Venemo | hmm | 23:15 |
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| Venemo | okay, I installed the necessary MADDE target for Diablo | 23:15 |
| Venemo | now I get this: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqt4-dev libqtm-dev | maemo-version (>= 5.0) libqtm-sensors | maemo-version (>= 5.0) libhildon-extras1-dev | maemo-version (>= 5.0) | 23:15 |
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| Venemo | I thought it should only take libqtm-dev into account for maemo versions greater than or equal to 5.0...? | 23:16 |
| Venemo | I also thought there was at least some old version of qt for Diablo? | 23:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I use josm. (not on n900) | 23:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: alternate tool is the builtin flash editor - which sort-of-but-not-really works on n900 | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | hm. A friend poinzed me at mapero (which is rather nice it seems | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ) but mentioned the lack of a proper tool on maemo to contribute to OSM | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | two weeks ago he gave me his GTA02 to check/fix GPS, and today he told me last time we met he got convinced by my stories to buy a N900 :-D | 23:31 |
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| BCMM | how can i install diff? | 23:33 |
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| * DocScrutinizer feels like a trendsetter | 23:33 | |
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| BCMM | (and am i right in saying that even the busybox version is missing?) | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | diffutils-gnu | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:34 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: thanks! | 23:34 |
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| BCMM | annoyingly, apt-get install diff says "silly, you already have busybox!" | 23:34 |
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| MohammadAG | oh nice | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | QRadio has a bug that makes people on the other end hear the radio | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | maybe someone could check where libqtm-multimedia f'd up and exploit it | 23:35 |
| BCMM | you mean of a call? | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | yeh | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | yeah* | 23:36 |
| BCMM | that sounds a lot like a feature to me! | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT?? | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 23:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer is the real silly | 23:37 | |
| MohammadAG | exploit it, and you have an on-device voice mail | 23:37 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, btw, thanks again, modem unlocked | 23:37 |
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| MohammadAG | also, I realized Israel defines 3.5G as 1.0MBps instead of 7.2, so I was disappointed there :/ | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: osm2go does work - somewhat. | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: The primary pro blem is really the lack of a decent keyboard and mouse,. | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, he draw a plot like pushbutton dictaphone combined with GPS | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | no mouse involved in that scenario | 23:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Oh - right - that's not been done yet, I think. | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Though in principle, can't the camera do voice notes withjpeg? | 23:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if videos also have geotags, and if those are as crippled to +-100m like the pictures are (were?) | 23:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hehe, same idea | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: fine | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: you really want bash with a proper set of *-utils, plus correctly set up $PATH | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: beware though to make bash defualt shell for user | 23:49 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i've got coreutils; surpised to find diff wasn't part of it though | 23:49 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: why? | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | bootloop | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly | 23:49 |
| BCMM | i have user:*:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/bash and nothing bad has happened | 23:49 |
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| BCMM | the bash-setup script did it for me | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | initscripts rely on busyboxisms (or did) | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: does it *work*? | 23:50 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: why do they run as user? | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | user is tun as user | 23:50 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: well, xterm and ssh both come up with bash | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe it's xsession or whatever | 23:50 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: and i've been running like this for months... | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, nice. Maybe that's fixed then, since 1.0 :-D | 23:51 |
| BCMM | is there much stuff being executed with the user's primary shell about? i suppose it could be a performance issue if bash instances are getting started like taht | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, it has been a clear syntax/semantic diff issue | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | between proper coreutils and busybox crap | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it's prolly not bash itself, as long as bash is calling busybox for ls and chmod and whatnot | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry it's like 12 months ago, can't remember clearly anymore | 23:54 |
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