IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-01-27

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trumeewhat am i doing wrong?
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chxis there a include/linux/compat-2.6.33.h file?00:30
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trumeechx: yes00:31
trumeechx: although there is no a/include/linux/compat-2.6.33.h  file00:31
trumeechx: but -p1 should have got rid of a/00:32
* chx nods slowly00:32
chxwhy line 18?00:33
chxwhat's line 1-1700:33
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trumeechx: this is the patch,
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chxso the first hunk fails00:35
chxthe second file is not found00:35
chxit's unleikly you are in the correc tree00:35
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DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: you solved your issue with Fn?01:23
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DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: since 1.3 there's that annoying auto-symbol thing, so maybe you pressed the "e" and 2. "l" to long01:25
DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: ...where too long also could mean your N900's clock is running too fast so the timeout for long keypress triggers too soon01:26
DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: you are OCing the device? Or have ntpd or similar time adjusting sw running?01:27
DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: check your clock01:28
DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: (also your internal clock ;-D )01:28
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MohammadAGdo 3G USB modems work on Linux01:57
jacekowskisome do01:57
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jacekowskindiswrapper helps sometimes01:57
MohammadAGand is there a way to share a connection via wlan?01:58
MohammadAGor ethernet01:58
b0unc3MohammadAG: yes, maybe iptable ?02:01
MohammadAGb0unc3, never used it so :P02:01
merlin1991yes you could share them over iptable02:02
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bistongood evening. does anyone know what can cause the error "Stale NFS file handle" ?02:05
jogayou have nfs mounts?02:05
joga(or had)02:05
alteregoMohammadAG: got any thing to report as far as using Columbus?02:05
alteregoI'm planning on release 0.9.4 within the next day or two.02:06
bistonnothing other than default n900 partitions02:06
bistonnot even a mmc02:06
MohammadAGalterego, it just works, nicely02:06
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MohammadAGthough I would've appreciated a hint that the bottom label is clickable02:06
jogabiston, hmm? I don't know of it using nfs by default...02:06
alteregoMohammadAG: the speed indicator on the track view?02:06
MohammadAGalterego, works fine, though I'm not sure if speed was the same02:07
MohammadAGbut we were doing around 90kmph02:07
alteregoDid you set it to metric?02:07
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MohammadAGyes :P02:08
MohammadAGbut i didn't check the car's dashboard02:08
jacekowskibiston: it happens when fs on emmc is fubar02:08
jacekowskialterego: that's a good thing02:08
jacekowskialterego: you have that view where it shows you where you were02:08
jacekowskialterego: what about colouring that line based on speed02:08
alteregojacekowski: yes02:08
bistonjacekowski would e2fsck fix such a problem ?02:09
alteregojacekowski: the thought has crossed my mind.02:09
jacekowskibiston: no02:09
jacekowskibiston: it's time to flash02:09
MohammadAGit's quite similar to Nokia's sport tracker for symbian02:09
bistongreat, then i have to flash,02:09
MohammadAGbut a lot better02:09
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alteregoMohammadAG: lcuk was talking about nokia push snowboarding earlier :)02:09
bistonjacekowski you said emmc ? this can't be coming from rootfs ?02:10
jacekowskibiston: well, there is an option that it's coming from rootfs02:10
bistonany ways to check?02:10
jacekowskibiston: but emmc is more likely02:10
alteregoMohammadAG: yeah, consider that roll over speed/average/max thing an easter egg in that version. All those indicators do that in the new version :)02:11
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: you had that stale nfs handle problem02:11
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MohammadAGbackup what you can02:11
MohammadAGand reflash the eMMC02:11
alteregoMohammadAG: I'll have to write a little user guide (which is the point of the "Help" button in the about dialog).02:11
MohammadAGfsck will break things02:11
bistoni guess i'll just reflash everything, along with maemo02:12
bistonjust to be safe02:12
MohammadAGwhen you reflash the eMMc02:13
MohammadAGyou have to reflash the rootfs too :P02:13
bistonno you don't02:13
MohammadAGyes you do02:13
MohammadAGotherwise you lose locales, themes, icons02:14
alteregoThe next version will make it a lot more usable, as you can now save and load tracklogs and view statistics.02:14
alteregoMuch better for training :)02:15
MohammadAGi like how the compass rotates02:15
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alteregoQMatrix and a QPropertyAnimation02:16
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alteregoI've also come up with how I want to make it portable and how I'm going to implement the meego and desktop versions.02:17
MohammadAGreimplement maemo5 widgets as custom classes? :P02:18
alteregoBut that's v2 and I've not got to v1 yet ^.^02:18
alteregoNope, make all the dialogs and menus custom Qml02:18
alteregoSo it'll still have the Qt based views but with an enhanced Qml layer on top.02:19
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MohammadAGQML, please :p02:19
alteregoThat way I can scrap all the maemo 5 or meego touch rubbish.02:19
alteregoAnd maintain a unique UX02:20
MohammadAGit's not rubbish02:20
MohammadAGit's garbage :p02:20
alteregoSo, any ideas, requests, anything?02:20
MohammadAG$50, I need to pay infobot02:21
* infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag off02:21
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* infobot gives mohammadag full service!02:21
alteregoI think the only thing that really annoys me, and it's not easy to sort out, is orientation switching.02:22
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alteregoAs my widgets became more complex the reshuffling of the UI is quite visible when changing orientation.02:22
MohammadAGyeah, that's annoying02:22
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MohammadAGwhat's with xchat not showing notifications for pm02:23
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merlin1991I have no ideas why xchat doesn't show notifications on my n900 at all02:24
MohammadAGit's racist02:24
merlin1991but claims to have loaded the maemo notifier plugin on each start02:24
MohammadAGalso, your real name on IRC is y02:24
* trip0 nods in confirmation02:24
trip0never notifies me02:24
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pupniki have a dumb networking question.  why can't i block a whole subdomain in /etc/hosts02:24
pupnikfor e.g.  *.adtech.de02:25
ds3hosts file do not support filecard02:25
ds3it only does 1:1 mapping; to do that you need to run bind or rewrite the resolver02:25
alteregowildcard :P02:25
nox-hm could dnsmasq do it?02:25
merlin1991MohammadAG, well what's the problem with fake real names on irc? :D02:25
ds3yes, wildcard02:25
ds3dnsmasq might be able to do it02:26
MohammadAGyour nick's merlin02:26
MohammadAGit's like me saying my real name is hidden02:26
MrBawbthe -S flag to dnsmasq might do what you want02:26
MrBawbor -A02:26
pupnikds3: thanks, will look at dnsmasq02:26
pupnikand MrBawb02:27
merlin1991MohammadAG, I have no problem having my real name in the whois in this channel02:27
merlin1991but a few channels I'm in it's not the best idea02:27
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pupnikI'd also like a name lookup to query TWO+ dns providers and report any inconsistency...02:27
MohammadAGlemme guess02:27
MohammadAGyour name is Merlin something02:27
merlin1991my github, gitorious, profile has the name02:27
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MrBawb[on -A] A common use of this is to redirect the entire domain to some friendly local web server to avoid banner ads.02:27
Mouseyand your're 10 years old today! congrats!02:28
Mouseyno, 20 years old!02:28
* Mousey can't math02:28
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merlin1991Mousey, nice first fail ;)02:31
Mouseythat is so not my last!02:31
bistonmaemo-flasher supports win x64 ?02:31
merlin1991or you are the luckiest person in the world to get it running under win x64 (I tried several times)02:32
bistonwell YES!02:32
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bistoni tried it on like 10 pcs, didn't work, only works on mine for some weird reasons02:32
bistonand i was wondering why02:32
merlin1991something todo with your usb driver / hw / whatever, on my pcs it fails on finding the usb device02:33
biston/home/user/.config/Unknown\ Organization.conf , anyone else has that file?02:36
merlin1991nope I don't have that one biston02:37
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alteregobiston: it'll be some 3rd party app that is using QSettings ..02:38
pupnikcompletely forgot about /etc/hosts.deny02:38
bistondidn't i tell you about it 5 minutes ago?02:40
* alterego contemplates the usefulness of the raised parts on the N900 keypad for the blind ..02:40
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alteregoAnd how do blind people use touch screen phones anyway?02:41
biston[02:27:15] <biston> create /etc/hosts.deny and add ALL : .any.domain02:41
bistonthen i got pinged out i guess02:41
MohammadAGalterego, no idea02:41
MohammadAGbut it works well for me in class :P02:41
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pupnikbiston: before that02:42
pupnikhowever it doesn't prevent outgoing access to host.domain02:43
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ds3hosts.deny/allow is only for apps that use that; by default most apps don't.02:57
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Sazpaimonis there any interest in trying to see if stantum's multitouch screen is doable in the N900 (once it's out for the general public)?03:24
BCMMSazpaimon: what is the aforementioned?03:25
Sazpaimonit's a multitouch capable resistive screen03:26
pupnikthe prices for Ip capable security cams are pretty funny03:28
BCMMSazpaimon: "doable" as in screen replacement?03:29
Sazpaimonassuming it can be hardware compatible with the N90003:29
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Sazpaimonit seems to use a special chipset though03:29
BCMMSazpaimon: huh, how does that work? soft-touch, but works with anything...03:31
BCMMif that isn't just hype, it has to be an entirely new tech, right?03:31
SazpaimonI have no idea, until now I just accepted that it was not technically feasable to have multitouch on a resistive screen03:31
Sazpaimonbut I'm looking right at it03:31
DocScrutinizermt on r-ts is ooooold03:32
BCMMit also claims low power consumption....03:32
DocScrutinizerstantum however did a exceptionally good job03:32
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BCMMit has a worrying lack of downsides...03:32
BCMMDocScrutinizer: "multitouch on resistive touchscreen"?03:32
Sazpaimonif the screen is hardware compatible with the N900 and works with the TSC2005 chip, I'd like to try this mod out03:33
Sazpaimoni however have my doubts03:33
BCMMby hardware-compatible, you mean physically fits?03:33
Sazpaimonit might require a completely different controller03:33
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon: have fun. I don't think this will pan out03:34
cehtehwell .. and you need software which can handle it ... maemo5 certainly not03:34
DocScrutinizeror at least your N900 will look like steampunk then03:34
BCMMso it is just a resistive touchscreen of superior manufacture?03:34
Sazpaimoncehteh, writing modules would be the trivial part03:34
DocScrutinizerBCMM: nope, it is actually a modified principle03:35
cehtehand? .. what then?03:35
BCMMdoes that thing have any downsides?03:35
cehtehfix hildon up, microb, all other apps?03:35
BCMMit even claimed to be cheap and low-power...03:35
cehtehBCMM: costs 3 cents more :)03:35
BCMMdoes it not work with sunglasses maybe?03:36
BCMM(that's a good subtle failure)03:36
Sazpaimoncehteh, then i believe it's a matter of porting xi2 gnome to maemo03:36
cehtehhave fun :)03:36
Sazpaimon(xi2 iirc is the multitouch capable branch of gtk+)03:36
DocScrutinizerBCMM: downside: connection from panel to driver chip is a wide bus03:37
DocScrutinizeryou need special driver chip03:37
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SazpaimonI'll have to look to see when a distributor starts selling these nerby03:38
Sazpaimonand if they wont physically work on an N900 i certainly have other applications for them03:39
jonwilCan someone suggest somewhere suitable for me to dump this code for the icd policy modules (somewhere I can then reference from a wiki article about said policy modules)03:39
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: see (start) for the huge copper flat cable on left long side of screen, and the green PCB holding parts of the driver hw03:41
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CableTwitchWow, thats a mess of a topic, no?04:31
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MrBawbjonwil: put it on a hosting site with a RCS? like google code, gitweb, etc04:50
jonwilgoogle code seems to make sense04:50
jonwilthats a popular site for such hosting04:50
MrBawboh, I was thinking github04:51
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RobbieThe1stYes! I just managed to run a jumper wire from C4257 to the + terminal of G4210, and it -worked-!04:59
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RobbieThe1stMy RTC now works with the battery out again!04:59
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CableTwitchRobbie: Been hardware hacking, eh?05:07
luke-jrMrBawb: GitHub sucks05:07
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RobbieThe1stMy RTC battery basically died, so I replaced it with a special capacitor. I managed to break one of the pads, and had to run a jumper to a different location on the other side of the board05:08
CableTwitchMake sure you note that info down, yeah? XD05:09
lcukn900robbie how is the capacitor holding up?05:10
RobbieThe1stI'm gonna have to test; I know it works for the 10s I tested it for.05:11
RobbieThe1stLets try for one minute... Now that it's had a chance to charge and all(remember the charger is looking for a lithium-battery, so I don't know how fast it'll charge)05:12
RobbieThe1stIt worked.05:13
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pupnikSPEND MONEY05:19
pupnikON MAKEUP05:19
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DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: congrats05:24
RobbieThe1stOh gees; whats the  name of the package that has mkfs.ubifs and ubinize in it?05:25
RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: Thanks.05:25
pupnikwell i knew some people in the netherlands info sec dept05:28
pupnikthey had a product for securing their networks05:29
DocScrutinizer(ubifs) NFC. Seems it's unknown to maemo and even my desktop linux05:29
RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: Um...? What I know is that I have mkfs.ubifs and ubinize installed on my n900 through -some- package, but I can't figure out which one it was.05:32
DocScrutinizerstrange, apt-cache search didn't find anything05:33
CableTwitchHey Doc.05:33
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CableTwitchHas anyone worked out a way to update java on the 900 yet?05:35
RobbieThe1stCableTwitch: Update flash, you mean?05:35
CableTwitchUnless Java somehow magically became an Adobe product, nope XD05:36
luke-jrCableTwitch: N900 has never had any kind of Java05:36
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CableTwitchOk, that explains that.05:36
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RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: I know it depends on liblzo; can I get a list of all packages that depend on that?05:37
CableTwitchThat also explains why my NAS box kept on at me to update java, and doesnt work properly.05:37
RobbieThe1stNote that you can get command-line desktop java on there(install icedtea6), but no browser plugin.05:39
RobbieThe1stOh, there we go. It's mtd-utils.05:39
RobbieThe1st"apt-get remove liblzo2-2"; only package that'd get removed other than itself is mtd-utils. :P05:40
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pupniklol the cunts05:55
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yigalcan we say non sequitur06:01
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Guest61840Hello.  I've not been in chat rooms much, so I'm not sure how to do things or act.  Hope I don't torture anybody.  Please be gentle with me. I just bought a used nokia n800 tablet.  I don't know a lot about it.  I am hoping to be able to download movies and tv shows to my pc and then transfer them to my tablet.  Can anyone tell me the best and easiet ways to do that?06:21
SpeedEvilyes, you can.06:22
SpeedEvilin principle, though I've not used a n80006:22
SpeedEvil- have you loolked at the wiki a bit?06:22
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SpeedEvil seems to be the main article06:24
Guest61840SpeedEvil do u mean the maemo with downloads site.  I've visited there briefly.  Oh I don't think I've been there.  I'll check it out.06:24
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Guest61840How does this chat work? Are all those nicks listed on the right here now?  Will I be able to see what everyone is talking about?  That's a long list.06:26
SpeedEvil also06:26
SpeedEvilThere is nobody else talking tight now.06:26
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SpeedEvilit's a rather dead time at the moment - it tends to be more active evenings us and EU06:26
Guest61840So what's with all the names on the right.  How do I know who's here?06:27
RobbieThe1stAll those people have their computers on and their clients running.06:27
RobbieThe1stBut the people themselves may not be at their computer, or looking elsewhere06:28
Guest61840Sorry for my ignorance.  What are clients?06:28
wmaroneIRC clients, software similar to what you're using now06:29
RobbieThe1stA program that connects you to the IRC(chat) server.06:29
Guest61840So how do we know who is here, just ask?06:29
wmaroneor just as a question06:30
RobbieThe1stIn addition, if you know who to talk to, some people may be around but not looking at the chat all the time - Saying someones name -may- get their attention06:30
RobbieThe1stFor me, whenever someone says my name, I hear a "beep" noise.06:31
SpeedEvilPeople wait till they find a question they can answer, or something that annoys them, or until they have a funny picture of a cat, and post it. Though they'll usually just have the tab open so they can look back at what's happeed while they weren't looking - get messages, ...06:31
Guest61840ok.  I'm gonna leave this up but go check out those web sites you gave me.  I hope someone is still here if I come back.  Thank you SpeedEvil.06:32
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CableTwitchNo reason,  just wanted to make it beep :O)06:34
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* CableTwitch is in a slightly deranged mood.06:35
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RobbieThe1stYea, I can see that.06:36
SpeedEvilGuest61840: Good luck.06:36
SpeedEvilRobbieThe1st beep.06:36
Guest61840ooooooh,  My computer just beeped and then I clicked here and somebody said something to me. So ooooh I get a beep too.06:37
CableTwitchSeems I'm not the only deranged one this morning XD06:37
SpeedEvilGuest61840: Generally picking a more personal nickname will help people remember you if you come back.06:38
Guest61840I was just at  the search didn't like what I put in.  The answers I got for video were too many and confusing.  OK let me think of a nick.  How do I get it  assigned to me?06:39
CableTwitchType /nick *whatyouwant*06:40
CableTwitchEg. /nick Cabletwitch06:40
CableTwitchBut not MY nick, obviously  :O)06:40
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CableTwitchAnyone know how you could enable autocaps inxchat?06:42
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CableTwitchNot quite.06:42
CableTwitchLook at my example.06:42
Guest61840nick *gretchen*06:43
CableTwitchYou dont need the asterisks, and you DO need the preceeding /06:43
CableTwitchSo, if I wanted to change my nick to Jimbob, I'd type /nick Jimbob06:43
CableTwitchIf you want to use Gretchen, then you'd type /nick Gretchen06:44
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CableTwitchThere you go :O)06:44
gretchenha!... I'm slow06:45
DocScrutinizerhi gretchen06:45
CableTwitchEh, we all are at the beginning.06:45
gretchenHi everyone.06:45
CableTwitchAnd hi to you, too06:46
gretchenSo does anybody feel like giving me some search word suggestions so I can transfer videos from my pc to my new and exiting n800 tabet?06:46
DocScrutinizergretchen: a short introduction to asking questions:06:46
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.06:46
infobothmm... question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
DocScrutinizergretchen: also lok at the /topic06:47
CableTwitchBeen on the booze, doc? ;O)06:47
DocScrutinizertoo late, or early06:47
DocScrutinizeror whatever06:47
SpeedEvilgretchen: - has some more details - I've not looked beyond a cursory search. Try n800 transcode video06:48
CableTwitchDrunk is easier to explain though.06:48
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DocScrutinizergretchen: some mire IRC specific stuff that may help you:
CableTwitchYeah, drunk XD06:49
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DocScrutinizernope, sick06:49
CableTwitchAhh, flu?06:50
CableTwitchSwine, avian, or normal?06:50
DocScrutinizerjust a cold06:50
DocScrutinizerI hope06:50
CableTwitchManflu, gotcha.06:50
DocScrutinizergretchen: you probably want to register your nick06:52
CableTwitchJust while I'm not on a decent enough connection, did the USB hostmode ever become reliable?06:53
DocScrutinizer/msg nickserv help register06:53
CableTwitchJust don't forget your password like I did.06:54
CableTwitch<-- Retars06:54
CableTwitch<-- Retard06:54
CableTwitchShaddap XD06:54
CableTwitchI'd prefer to be drunk. But alas, gone are the days when you could drive trains after a few beers.06:55
DocScrutinizeryeah, nowadays trains will drive you06:55
gretchenHow do I do that DocScrutinizer? Oh ok.   I just type that /msg nickserv help register.  Is a password then assigned to me?  I have just started reading the page about questions.06:56
pupnikdrunk is self-destruction06:56
pupnikyou only notice it after the damage is done06:56
CableTwitchDrunk is a railway speciality. Its what happens when you have to wait ages to have a drink.06:57
DocScrutinizergretchen: no, you need to follow the instructions that nickserv gave you when typing  /msg nickserv help register06:57
CableTwitchI  blame the D'n'A testing. Prior to that, no-one got drunk on duty.06:57
pupnikpeople drink when they feel helpless06:58
pupnikgovernment enslaves people06:58
pupnikso fight slavery06:58
pupnikwith your fists, or your code06:58
gretchenIt says to follow instructions sent to my email address, but I didn't give it my address.06:58
DocScrutinizerdo it again, using your proper email-addr06:59
CableTwitchGretchen: Yeah, you're supposed to give it your address.06:59
pupnikbombs are really bad style nowadays06:59
pupnikbut holy hell they are fun06:59
gretchenI don't get it.  What do I type and when?06:59
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pupnikeveryone here should have bomb-making experience07:00
DocScrutinizergretchen: right now type sth like /msg NickServ REGISTER bar foo@bar.com07:00
CableTwitchI'll go PM with Gretch, Doc.07:00
pupnikeveryone in #maemo should be able to make a bomb07:00
pupnikif they want to07:00
DocScrutinizer~nuke pupnik07:00
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at pupnik ... B☢☢M!07:00
pupnikbest used on structures07:01
CableTwitchGretchen, you should have another tab appear with my nick on it. You see it?07:01
pupnikDocScrutinizer: i had a math teacher who used to go to junkyards with dynamite07:02
ds3speaking of which, is there a decent clone of Scorch earth for the N900? :D07:02
pupnikeverybody should learn how to blow up shit07:02
pupnikit's just chemistry07:03
DocScrutinizeryeah, all the idiots who learn how to blow up themselves by producing apex for fun07:04
CableTwitchI'd rather make useful stuff, tbh.07:08
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CableTwitchExplosives are for those with no imagination, and/or a deathwish.07:08
DocScrutinizerhmm, whatever it's been, I stopped that at the age of 1607:09
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DocScrutinizerand I never touched crazy shit like apex07:09
DocScrutinizerexcept for silvester fireworks :-)07:11
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DocScrutinizerwith 16 I switched to forkbombs ;-D07:13
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pupnikexplosives are tools like cars CableTwitch07:17
pupnikyou can also drive a car at high speed into people07:17
CableTwitchWhy would you want to?07:17
pupnikpoison is much better07:17
pupnikdrop a few milligrams into someone's food07:17
pupnikand person is gone07:17
CableTwitchI wasn't aware you could IRC from Broadmoore.07:18
pupniki'm just talking about the LOL in the daily life CableTwitch07:18
pupnikdo you think this doesn't happen? :)07:18
CableTwitchNot in Guildford, it doesnt.07:19
pupnikwhere the heck is that07:19
pupniklook you idiots07:19
pupnikdon't you think maemo is an affront to people who want to monitor and control people?07:20
pupnikit is a revolution07:20
pupnikit is a fight07:20
pupnikyou dumb asses07:20
pupnikit is the ability to control your computer07:20
pupnikhow fucktarded are you???07:21
CableTwitchOk, I was wrong. Its not Doc thats drunk, its you.07:21
derfpupnik, sadly, i like this all the time.07:21
pupnikderf, i know, a lot of us need to work for the military07:21
pupnikbut do what you can to promote freedom07:22
CableTwitchOh right... wait, isnt the military government forces? How ironic...07:22
pupnikCableTwitch: you are 23 years old or less07:22
pupnikshut the fuck up and listen07:23
CableTwitchI'm 30 next month. Your call.07:23
wmaronepupnik are you drunk?07:23
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pupnikCableTwitch: then you're stupid07:23
CableTwitchNo, far from it.07:23
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DocScrutinizersorry, no insult please07:24
CableTwitchI'm just not wholly irrational and paranoid.07:24
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CableTwitchderf: How do you guys put up with that? :O)07:26
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: pupnik decided to take a forced 6h outtime07:27
CableTwitchAutocomplete problem?07:27
CableTwitchI'm Cabletwitch ;O)07:27
DocScrutinizerand crashanddie is chanop like me, but more likely to be awake in now+6h07:28
CableTwitchAhh, righto. I dont have the userlist displayed when I'm on the 90007:28
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KabelTwitchThere we go, wifi now.07:30
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KabelTwitchAaand showertime!07:33
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CableTwitchAaand back07:47
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DocScrutinizermeh, friggin DSL-DHCP07:59
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gretchenIs CableTwitch here?08:19
SpeedEvilI just realised my n900 has close to a dozen microprocessors in it.08:22
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SpeedEvilMain ARM, DSP, bluetooth, wifi, SIM, SD card, emmc, wifi, bluetooth, LED controller, modem front and back end.08:23
SpeedEvilThat's not even counting the GPU08:23
SpeedEvilOr some of the graphics processors that I suspect could be counted but I haven't read enough on them.08:23
CableTwitchI'm here, just about.08:24
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chxgretchen: ^08:29
gretchenHi SpeedEvil.  Hi CableTwitch. I'm way out of league here.  I found some information on n800 after doing a google search.  Some is outdated like Internet Tablet School.  I'm 53 years old. I've got fibromyalgia and therefore have fibrofog so I'm slow.  I have no knowledge of programming, and haven't used comnputers much. Any recomendations for online beginning info?08:30
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: gmeter, ALS08:30
SpeedEvilgmeter is probably not stored program.08:30
DocScrutinizerit's a stored program, just you can't update it via I2C08:31
DocScrutinizerit seems you can destroy it though08:31
SpeedEvilgretchen: What OS do you normally run on the desktop?08:31
CableTwitchHmm, for the N800? I'm not too sure myself, I use the N900. Ask around a bit more in here in a few hours time or so, I'm pretty sure there will be more knowledgable people then myself who can answer any queries you have.08:32
CableTwitchSpeedEvil will know more than me, I'm fairly sure ;O)08:32
SpeedEvilI know almosrt nothing on the n80008:32
gretchenSpeedEvil, do you mean on my pc or n800?08:32
SpeedEvilI saw an n700 once, that doesn't really cout though08:32
SpeedEvilgretchen: pc08:33
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CableTwitchSpeed: Almost nothing is still more than absolutly nothing ;O)08:33
gretchenwindows xp08:33
DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: use tab expansion!08:33
DocScrutinizererr, nick completion08:34
CableTwitchForwhy? People here not like shortened nicks?08:34
chxCableTwitch: no, but their client won't highlight08:34
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil for example is more likely to have a highlight on foobarevil rather than speed08:34
chxCableTwitch: more convinient to have the full nick08:35
CableTwitchBah, you're all awkward XD08:35
chxCableTwitch: bingo!08:35
CableTwitchMaybe its only me that has highlight on all variations I can think of.08:35
chxCableTwitch: we love the N900 what else can we be?08:35
CableTwitchchx: Touché08:35
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: don't you think it's funny to talk about usb cable when he's around?08:36
DocScrutinizercble for usb is awesome :-P08:36
DocScrutinizercable for usb is awesome :-P08:36
gretchenWhen and where are you guys?  What time is it there?  It's 10:33pm here.  I'm on the pacific west coast of the U.S.  I'm gonna go lie down soon.  Where's a good place to ask newbie questions?   What's a good time to check back?08:37
DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: that's what tab nick completion is meant for, what's so hard to use it?08:37
DocScrutinizer7:37 AM08:38
DocScrutinizergood time here in this chan is maybe from now+2h to now+18h08:38
SpeedEvilgretchen: it tends to be quite active mid-afternoon for you08:39
SpeedEvilgretchen: say 3-10pm?08:39
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CableTwitchDoc: Well, for instance, I type Doc, and it completes to dockane08:40
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CableTwitchAnd its easier typing 'Doc' ;O)08:41
DocScrutinizerpff, then type docs, or hit tab until it shows DocScrutinizer51 or DocScrutinizer08:41
CableTwitchThat, and I'm not used to using nick completion yet.08:41
gretchenOK That's a 9 hour difference.  OK thanks.  I need to do some beginning research. Later. Bye.08:41
CableTwitchIts not part of my typing habits.08:41
DocScrutinizergretchen: cya08:41
CableTwitchgretchen: Good luck, and see you around!08:42
CableTwitchI think I'm going to hit the sack too, its 6:41am, and I need to be up at 3.08:42
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DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: my irc client even re-inserts the recently used nick, when tab'ed on empty line. That's for sure more convenient than typing doc: which doesn't help anything as it doesn't highlight here08:43
DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: see08:44
DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: what08:44
DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: i08:44
DocScrutinizerCableTwitch: mean08:44
CableTwitchSure, I know. Mine also highlights on Cable, Twitch, CT and Bastard.08:45
CableTwitchWhich does occasionally pick up random crap in conversation, but keeps me alert :O)08:45
DocScrutinizersorry, no tab expansion on Bastard, so you'll have to live with me calling you CableTwitch08:45
CableTwitchWhatever works, I guess ;O)08:45
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DocScrutinizeranyway, doc: is even ambiguous (as you noticed already), so you'll never again find me highlighting it08:48
CableTwitchDocScru, maybe? XD08:48
CableTwitchI'll try and remember to use tab complete when I'm here./08:48
CableTwitchAnyhow, sleep for the useless sod now. Adios!08:50
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DocScrutinizerdon't dream of nasty cable snakes08:50
* DocScrutinizer off for chemical cocktail, with caffeine and milk08:53
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ieatlintadd some whiskey08:53
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DocScrutinizerI'm not sure if that's exactly recommended by the chemicals' user manuals08:54
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ieatlintit's generally good advice though08:56
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DocScrutinizerVLC vulnerability:
DocScrutinizerSummary           : Buffer overflow in Real demuxer09:10
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DocScrutinizerVLC media player 1.1.6 addresses this issue. Patches for older versions are available from the official VLC source code repositories.09:11
DocScrutinizer</quote> it's unlikely but not impossible to see an exploit tailored for ARM out in the wild09:12
SpeedEvilDoes the stock stack use VLC?09:13
DocScrutinizernot afaik09:13
DocScrutinizerso the situation isn't as nasty as it's been (and still is?) with flash-plugin09:14
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DocScrutinizerand unlike flash we got source for VLC09:16
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DocScrutinizerso little chances to bash Nokia all over the place, for not fixing a vulnerability that's documented and not fixable by community ;-)09:17
ieatlintyeah, the stock uses gstreamer, and i don't believe even supports real09:18
DocScrutinizerI still like to find a website that spreads an evil flash-virus that implements keylogger and whatnot on my N900, then sue Nokia for the damage done and get compensation. Well, probably I have to code that maemo-flash-virus by myself :-)09:19
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felluhmm o.O09:20
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ieatlinttry writing something that just changes the root password, configures sshd to auto-start (assuming installed)09:21
ieatlintand then of course notify you somehow09:21
ieatlintwould be simpler to write methinks09:22
DocScrutinizerwait, I have a script for that collecting dust on some dark sectors of my HDD09:22
ieatlintand you could then login and do whatever you wanted... keylogger, harvest imsi, dial non-free phone numbers09:22
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DocScrutinizerbut that's a bit harder to link to flash, in a provable way sufficient for a case at court09:24
DocScrutinizerso my chances to sue Nokia for compensation for that $500.000 somebody booked off my bank account are a bit smaller09:25
* ieatlint wishes he had $500k in a bank account to be stolen09:26
DocScrutinizeryeah, I started to feel that's a point in my idea not well thought09:26
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DocScrutinizerwell, the virus could call a few 0900-LICK-MY-BOOTS numbers, and so my fiancee gave me a ticket to run and refused to marry me. I guess that's worth some compensation for damage done to my life09:29
ieatlintthere you go09:30
ieatlintwon't work for me, but i can come up with something else09:30
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DocScrutinizeryeah, coming up with material or immaterial damage done by a virus that sneaked in cause Nokia didn't care about the known vulnerability, that's really easy09:32
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ieatlintalthough, the problem with that plan, is that your fiancee would actually have to leave you09:32
DocScrutinizerthat's no problem, I just need to find one first :-P09:33
ieatlintthat's not too hard09:33
ieatlintit's 8:30am there? just go to the bar, and ask any woman there... she should be desperate enough09:34
DocScrutinizerhere, at 8:30am, even the bars are desperate09:35
DocScrutinizerI.E. closed09:35
ieatlintor craigslist: "need fiancée for scam"09:35
trumeeDocScrutinizer, how do you get xchat nick recompletion. some xchat setting?09:36
ieatlintclearly you don't live in a place with enough alcoholics... 95% of bars are closed here at 8:30am, but that still leaves quite a few open09:36
ieatlinttrumee: xchat defaults to tab-completion09:36
DocScrutinizerwell, I could reduce my estimated value of damage by 75%, if Nokia is going to release a fixed flash-plugin for maemo09:36
ieatlintsee the "interface-> input box" settings09:37
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trumeeieatlint, i have tab completion09:37
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DocScrutinizertrumee: err, I got shift-space, it's set up in keybindings. Dunno if it's in default as shipped with xchat now09:37
trumeeDocScrutinizer, i thought you meant some sort of autocompletion09:38
DocScrutinizerxchat is painfully missing the tab-at-start-of-line repeating last nick09:39
trumee[06:44] <DocScrutinizer> CableTwitch: my irc client even re-inserts the recently used nick, when tab'ed on empty line. That's for sure more convenient than typing doc: which doesn't help anything as it doesn't highlight here09:39
trumeeDocScrutinizer, what setting is that?09:39
DocScrutinizertrumee: you're free to ctcp version me09:39
ieatlinttrumee: see settings i referenced09:40
DocScrutinizerI'm using Konversation09:40
DocScrutinizeron my PC09:40
trumeeieatlint, thanks09:40
ieatlintthere's a setting for order of tab completion, alphabetical vs last spoke order09:40
trumeeDocScrutinizer, not on N900?09:40
trumeeDocScrutinizer, got it09:40
DocScrutinizernope, DocScrutinizer51 is on RX-5109:40
ieatlintwon't work for an empty line, but will solve things like the multiple doc issue09:40
trumeeDocScrutinizer, even i do konversation on PC09:41
trumeebbl guys09:41
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sid_onself soldered cable09:48
sid_onits with a usb serial adapter in full speed hostmode09:49
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sid_onafter some time it detects it09:51
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* MohammadAG prefers one nick for all now09:59
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MohammadAGthat way i don't have to check both nick's PMs09:59
DocScrutinizerwell, ZNC didn't play nice with Konversation plus xchat, for the ctcp09:59
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DocScrutinizersid_on: you're not by any chance bastibasti of
MohammadAGany tips for 3G and battery life?10:06
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DocScrutinizerhave a spare battery?10:07
DocScrutinizerdon't do it?10:07
sid_on/dev/ttyUSB0 is created automatically; i already modprobe'd usbserial10:07
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, besides the 4 batteries I have10:08
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MohammadAGand no WLAN for two weeks :P10:08
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MohammadAGwhile on the go? :P10:09
DocScrutinizeroh well, then get a mobile mains outlet10:09
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sid_onwill buy one; its probably the cable10:09
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RST38hmoo all10:41
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, no problem, he deserved it.10:44
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JaffaMorning, all10:49
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* jonwil learnt 2 things about his N900 yesterday10:57
jonwilThe first is that the speakers on the N900 are hard to hear when there are fireworks going off and you are trying to use the FM radio app :)10:58
RobbieThe1stBTW, does anyone know a good person to talk to about PyQT and tasktray icons?10:58
jonwilThe second is that you shouldn't use the touchscreen just after eating some KFC10:58
RobbieThe1stjonwil: And the second?10:58
RobbieThe1stAh, yea10:58
RobbieThe1stBut, that's what cotton T-shirts are for.10:58
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jonwilTonight is going to be a "stay up past midnight drinking coca-cola and working on N900 stuff" night.11:01
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SpeedEviljonwil: once you spill coca-cola on your n900 it is no longer happy.11:03
jonwilwhich is why I plan to keep the coca-cola and the N900 away from each other11:03
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OkropNickSometimes phone application on N900 doesn't rotate when I rotating phone. Accelometer is working fine, it's some software error. Restarting N900 is helping, but I'd rather to restart only one app or daemon. Does anyone knows what to restart?11:09
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crashanddiesid_on, talk.maemo.org11:34
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infobotfrom memory, tmo is, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo11:46
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magnus_hey. i'm considering getting a n900 for some development and to use as an everyday phone. can anyone give me some battery lifetime estimates?12:00
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magnus_lets say im running a small app that uses the GPS and sends my current position every minute or so over the 3G connection12:04
magnus_no other apps are active12:04
magnus_for how long do you think the n900 will survive?12:04
achipamore, especially if he does it the right way - i.e. switch off the GPS in those pauses12:05
achipaplus the vast array of underclock/undervolting :)12:06
achipabut I guess the real question is the 'everyday phone' part, that might be the dominant battery sucker12:07
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magnus_ok, 8-12 hours sounds nice12:10
magnus_is it really viable to turn off the gps in between samples if samplerate is 1 / minute? won't it draw quite a lot power as it tries to fix satellites during init?12:11
magnus_achipa, does the n900 perform automatic frequency scaling? like using the on-demand cpufreq governor on linux?12:12
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achipamagnus_: it does, in fact it is using EXACTLY that :)12:12
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achipaIIUC gps off is okay as those are hot starts so the TTF will be low12:13
achipa(i.e. not having to power the GPS one minute if yout don't really read from it is more saving than the extra draw of a new fix IIRC)12:14
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achipaif you do want to store the reads and just send them at once is of course a different story12:15
jacekowskiachipa: buehe12:15
magnus_i used to have the n810, it had a _horrible_ gps, i was almost never able to get a fix with it. has this changed on n900?12:15
jacekowskimagnus_: 5h at most12:15
magnus_jacekowski, really? thats a lot different from 8-12 hours =)12:15
jacekowskimagnus_: underfrequency makes battery life worse than nominal and makes phone unstable12:15
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achipamagnus_: if you have 3G as you say, it shold be night and day12:15
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jacekowskimodem stays active for exaclty 60s after there was no transmission12:16
achipajacekowski: I get 5h with Ovi maps on all the time12:16
jacekowskiso modem will be fully powered all the time12:16
jacekowskiachipa: and you will get exactly same12:16
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jacekowskiachipa: maybe little bit better if you will keep screen off12:16
achipaoh, so maps uses no CPU and the screen is powering itself ?12:16
magnus_so the modem will be the major energy consumer here?12:16
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jacekowskimodem and gps12:17
jacekowskithen cpu12:17
achipamagnus_: you might be better off by using 2G since you're using it as a phone anyway.12:17
jacekowski2g only isn't going to help a lot12:17
jacekowskibut hmm, hour more maybe12:18
achipaan hour here, an hour there... 12h ! :D12:18
magnus_i have an old non-smart phone now, i connect to a remote GPS over bluetooth, and have it do the exact same (send gps coords every 1 minute over 3G connection). it can last for at least 4 hours... but in this case, the gps is powered from its own battery. but i have 900 mAh battery in my phone and ~400 mAh in GPS. should be approx same as n900 total capacity12:18
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MohammadAGanyone got UI suggestions for h-e-n?
achipamagnus_: the GPS in the phone has more overhead, i.e. not being handled by some super-small embedded controller, but going for processing to the 'big' CPU12:19
jacekowskiachipa: gps is handled by rapuyama12:19
magnus_really? i thought they just emitted NMEA strings to the main cpu .. which isn't that heavy to parse (my non-smart phone does it in Java app)12:20
RobbieThe1stMohammadAG: Couldn't we set the settings we want(speed etc) first, then press "Connect" and have it set those all at once?12:20
jacekowskimagnus_: nope12:20
MohammadAGRobbieThe1st, isn't that way you do :P12:20
jacekowskimagnus_: rapuyama communicates over phonet with main cpu with some nokia proprtiary protocol12:20
jacekowskimagnus_: and then thing happen12:20
jacekowskican somebody translate something for me12:21
jacekowskiThe Airview9 is $39 USD.  Shipping UPS Worldwide Expedited is $90.25.  We accept wire transfers ($35 fee) or PayPal for international orders.12:21
RobbieThe1stMohammadAG:  Possibly also having a listbox with any found USB devices so you know if it's connected?12:21
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magnus_really? they have a proprietary gps protocol? .. does this mean i can't write my own gps app?12:21
jacekowskidoes it mean it will cost me $39+$9012:21
jacekowskimagnus_: you can12:21
jacekowskimagnus_: there are location libraries12:21
MohammadAGjacekowski, yes, it means shipping > price12:21
jacekowskimagnus_: that implement that protocol12:21
jacekowskiMohammadAG: but i'm not sure if it's $129 in total to pay or "just" $9012:22
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jacekowskithen 20% import VAT on top of that12:23
magnus_jacekowski, is it not possible to lower the 60s timeout on the modem? so it goes to sleep right after it is not used. it seems weird to me. again, on my current phone, i check my email once every 5 minutes and it can survive for days.. it must mean that modem is not power all the time12:23
jacekowskiit'll be cheaper to buy alternative here in uk12:23
jacekowskimagnus_: nope12:23
jacekowskimagnus_: it takes couple seconds to estabilish connections12:24
jacekowskimagnus_: so it's just that12:24
jacekowskiyou could force disconnection12:24
magnus_ok, but a couple seconds is still << 60s12:24
jacekowskibut modem would stay active12:24
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magnus_i see12:26
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magnus_is this common design for all phones?12:26
RobbieThe1stAnyone here know stuff about signals and threading with PyQT4?12:26
MohammadAGask, someone might12:29
MohammadAGkhertan's here :P12:29
RobbieThe1stAlright, I'll try asking him.12:30
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RobbieThe1stkhertan: I've got a bit of a question: I've got a thread run by a Timer object, and I need to change a GUI element. Changing it directly results in "It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread". How should I go about it?12:31
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magnus_jacekowski, what about if I set it to 2G? i can still send data over GPRS since its really tiny amounts, would that help battery life?12:36
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OkropNickmagnus_: using only 2G you can send data over GPRS but both connedctions (voice + dana) cannot be established. voice or data. during data transfer incoming call will disconnect data transfer12:47
kerioit would indeed save battery life12:49
magnus_yeah, gprs is circuit switched, right? im not so picky about losing data (or delaying data) if a call comes in.. i guess the linux tcp stack will deal with that once the call is over and it starts to retransmit lost packets12:51
magnus_kerio, happen to have any numbers on that?12:51
kerioless shit sent12:51
kerioequals less power needed to send shit12:51
magnus_isn't it also at a lower frequency? 3g uses 5Ghz, doesnt it?12:52
jonwil3G doesnt use 5Ghz12:52
jonwil3G uses different frequencies depending on carrier12:52
jonwilbut 5Ghz is not one of them AFAIK12:52
jonwilMy carrier uses 900MHz and 1200MHz12:52
magnus_so no frequency diff for 3g? i thought that was the whole reason there are like 10x more 3g antennas in my neigbourhood than 2g12:53
jonwilwait that's 2100MHz12:53
jonwilyou can carry more data over 3G but the range is less12:53
jonwilhence why you need more towers12:53
jonwilit also depends on exactly which frequencies the carrier is using12:53
jonwile.g. my carrier uses 900M12:53
jonwil900MHz and 1800MHz for 2G12:53
jonwilbut 900 and 2100 for 3G12:54
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magnus_more data with less range sounds an awful lot like a higher frequency.. but perhaps the modulation is more efficient too12:54
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jonwilwhich carrier are you with?12:55
jonwiland which country?12:55
magnus_tele2 in sweden12:55
Trewas900mhz 3g is quite new and it indeed has longer range the 2.1ghz frequencies which has been used since the beginning of 3g12:56
jonwilPer google and its using 900 and 1800 for 2G12:56
jonwiland 2100 for 3G12:56
jonwilso yes 3G is higher frequency in your case12:57
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magnus_ok. how does 3g work over 900 MHz then? it should not be able to keep up with the transfer speeds vs 2100 MHz, right?12:57
magnus_but really, i'd prefer to run 3g over 900 Mhz, it should be a lot more power efficient12:58
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Trewasmagnus_: at least here (.fi) the operators build either 2.1ghz or 900mhz network, not both, in some area, 900mhz is used in less populated areas because of larger cell size (and lower capacity)13:03
jacekowskimagnus_: 100MBit ethernet works on 100MHz13:04
magnus_i see13:04
jacekowski3g is wideband13:05
magnus_but i think when each client expects high speed (up to 30+ mbit/s), the cell should have more than 100 Mbit capacity13:05
jacekowskiyeah that's a keyword13:05
jacekowskiUP TO13:05
jacekowskithat's one13:05
jacekowskiand 3g is wideband13:06
jacekowskiADSL work on 25kHz to 1100kHz13:06
jacekowskiso up to 1MHz13:06
jacekowskiand can push 24Mbits13:07
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jacekowskibecause it's using multiple 4kHz channels13:07
Trewasby the way, is it even possible to see with n900 which 3g or 2g frequency is used?13:08
jacekowskihardware can do it13:08
jacekowskibut i'm pretty sure there is no software for it13:08
Trewasobviously hardware knows, but I wondered if that info is available in sysfs etc13:08
jacekowskiit's avaliable on phonet probably13:09
chxgiven the secrecy surrounding baseband13:09
chxi'd be shocked13:09
jacekowskiwell, thing is that competitors probably already opened and reversed rapuyama couple times13:10
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BCMMis there a difference, on the n900, between manual 5cm focus and macro mode?13:15
alteregoBCMM: macro has auto focus13:15
BCMMah ok13:15
alteregoBut it only focuses around the short distances13:16
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BCMMis there any underlying feature it uses, or does it just tell the autofocus algorithm to find something close rather than far?13:16
alteregoNo, no feature13:16
ieatlintmagnus_: one more comment about the 2100 vs 900 thing... 900mhz does have a longer transmission range (and building penetration), however the 900mhz 3g bandwidth is 35mhz for upload/download (each) and the 2100mhz bandwidth is 60mhz each13:17
ieatlintthis is largely due to the more valuable lower frequencies having been assigned long before 3g existed13:18
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ieatlintso yeah, 2100mhz cell towers have a larger capacity for users... the 900mhz range may not even be available for 3g in your country13:21
ieatlinti believe (but am not sure) it clashes with 2g 900mhz gsm usage13:21
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sivanghi all14:18
sivangI just wanted to say thank you to the Modest developers for pr1.2 and above, if anybody is here or can forward this thanks to them.14:19
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sivangstarting with 1.2 I stopped just entering from MicroB14:19
sivangand it works well for me14:19
sivangthank you14:19
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sivang(speaking specifically about performance of fetching messages and responsiveness)14:20
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Jarockhello have a poblem with my nokia n900 Unfortunately I can not connect to my wireless router wireless router manufacturer is: 3G Wireless Ready Router WL-61014:49
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Jarockon other devices with wireless works beautifully not only because14:50
BCMMJarock: anything in dmesg?14:51
BCMMalso, does it fail even if you're right next to the router?14:51
BCMMalso, you could try turning off power-saving in case it's got a broken implementation, but that usually presents as random disconnection, not failure to connect in the first place14:52
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Jarockthe router is about 1 meter away what DMSG?14:53
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Jarockyes power-saving is disabled14:54
JarockI guess the ping does not work with this router14:55
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alteregoThat is a possibility15:00
alteregoYour best bet is trying to connect to it via the web interface15:01
alteregoOr running nmap against it.15:01
alteregoIf you type "route -n" at the console it'll tell you the gateway address.15:01
Jarockthe essid ? "route -n "essid"?15:02
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alteregoNo, when you're connected that'll tell you the gateway IP address.15:09
Jarockroute not installed15:10
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alteregoThis is on an N900 right?15:12
alteregoDid it say "route: not found"?15:13
alteregoI think you have to be root to run route.15:13
alteregoActually, "/sbin/route -n"15:13
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Jarockok yes mom15:15
alteregoI am not your mom15:15
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alteregoI am a real boy!15:15
korhojoaYour mom.15:15
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Jarockhave the sudo master pw not15:17
JarockI have an idea of my routers web interface is so English who can look at times wlan option if there maybe a configuration error because as you can set more than wpa and mac address filtering (by TeamViewer), any other router works so15:18
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Jarockno listet gateway ip by "/sbin/route -n"15:21
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Juozapaswhere i can see which dns servers n900 use at the moment ?15:31
psycho_oreosmaybe in /etc/resolv.conf?15:31
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alteregopsycho_oreos: nope15:31
psycho_oreosalterego, humm then just tcpdump a connection :)15:32
alteregopsycho_oreos: that'd work :)15:32
psycho_oreosit may use the default route's IP as DNS15:33
alteregoI'm actually not sure of this, but I use my own DNS through a socks 5 ssh proxy connection15:33
psycho_oreosyeah but then one needs to filter all the un-necessary junk out15:33
alteregopsycho_oreos: no again :)15:33
alterego(it doesn't use gateway)15:34
psycho_oreosalterego, oh well I'm clueless, surely the entries are in somewhere15:34
alteregoUnless that's what the dhcp server says to use15:34
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alteregoyes, they must be somewhere15:34
psycho_oreosyeah but imo normally entries of whatever DHCPd says goes into /etc/resolv.conf. That's the normal *nix procedure15:34
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alteregocat /var/run/resolve.conf.gprs15:35
Juozapasthe problem is that i set up my dhcp server to use give one lan dns server for clients and for all computers it works well, they get that dns and it works if you try it on browser, but only for n900 it doesnt work15:36
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alteregoor cat /var/run/resolv.conf.wlan015:36
alteregofor wireless15:36
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alteregoThe files only exist when connected15:37
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Juozapasok, it there...15:37
alteregoanyhow, bbl15:37
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Juozapasbut when i try to load a site from lan via domain from my dns server - unable to connect15:38
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lardman surely not15:39
BCMMwas Jarock using machine translation or something?15:39
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BCMMlardman: seen it all before...15:39
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Juozapasany ideas?15:41
psycho_oreosJuozapas, why not just affix the dns servers into /etc/resolv.conf?15:42
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jacekowskipsycho_oreos: because it will be regenerated anyways15:43
psycho_oreosjacekowski, I haven't had mine being regenerated :) just checked mine and I still have google DNS inside that file15:45
jacekowskirestart your phone15:45
Juozapasyeah, it no a solution15:45
psycho_oreosdone that a few times before15:45
psycho_oreosJuozapas, you could even manually set those DNS IP addresses inside the icd thingy but if you're looking for alternatives you're pretty much pushing your luck15:47
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Juozapasi'm just curious why it doesn't work on browser if it gets those server on /var/run/resolv.conf/wlan015:49
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Juozapasalso i can ping to that hostname from my dns15:50
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alteregoAnyone know what the difference is between the revised EMMC image?16:02
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ShadowJKis that how new?16:09
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tjuxxdoes anyone know where the calender data is stored?? Is there a possibility to use a custom ical file??16:19
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psycho_oreosit might be in /home/user/.calendar/calendardb for calendar data16:21
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tjuxxand how is it stored??16:42
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psycho_oreosin sqlite format according to the first few lines of that file16:42
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* RST38h yawns. So, what is new and exciting tonight?16:50
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SpeedEvilRST38h: I'm having bacon, cabbage, and potatos for dinner?16:51
SpeedEvilN9 to feature 4004 CPU?16:51
SpeedEvilIt's gonna be all retro, with nixies, and toggle switches.16:52
keriono, that's the *number* of cpus16:52
kerio4004 cpus16:52
RST38hWill it swap to the perforated tape?16:53
kerioit'll have more L2 cache than RAM16:53
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DocScrutinizerI'm reworking one of those sugar-cube plugs (magreader) so you can swap to cards with magnet stripe16:59
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DocScrutinizerwait, we had that with HP67?16:59
DocScrutinizerrollout HP67/97: 1976 - sigh, those were the times when I was young and magnet cards were real fun17:02
DocScrutinizermeh english wikipedia sucks once more, so here it is:
ShadowJKI wonder why m n900 is blining blue led17:05
DocScrutinizerblinking or blinding17:06
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DocScrutinizer~spell blining17:08
infobotpossible spellings for blining: blinding blinking beelining lining blunting Blinni binging binning bluing boning Blinnie billing blini bilking kilning blanking blending Blinny baning Blinni's17:08
jarockhave detected problem17:08
DocScrutinizer~dict lining17:08
infobotDictionary 'lining' (3 of 7): a protective covering that protects an inside surface ;; providing something with a surface of a different material  ;; a piece of cloth that is used as the inside surface of a garment .17:08
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jonwilMy N900 displays the "battery charging" icon on the status bar yet when I close the screen, the KLD17:10
jonwilthe LED doesnt light up17:10
jonwilwhat could be wrong?17:10
DocScrutinizerLED chip fsckd. fcam was notorious to cause this. take out battery17:11
DocScrutinizeror wait...17:11
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jonwilI have not installed fcam17:12
DocScrutinizertry this: dbus-send --system --type=method_call /com/nokia/mce/request string:"PatternCommunicationIM"17:12
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jonwilthe dbus-send didnt do it17:13
jonwilstill no go17:13
jonwilshould I try restarting the phone?17:13
DocScrutinizercheck /etc/mce/mce.ini17:13
jonwili.e. turn off then on again17:13
jonwilI havent modified that file17:14
DocScrutinizerLED pattern editor?17:14
jonwilnope, havent use either17:14
psycho_oreosthere might be a way to restart mce somehow17:14
jonwilUnless fm-radio did something17:14
jonwiland broke it17:14
psycho_oreosLED pattern editor does restart MCE after saving changes17:14
DocScrutinizermaybe try: stop mce, start mce17:14
jonwiltrying a reboot now17:15
jonwilok, a reboot didn't fix it17:16
DocScrutinizercheck for mce msgs17:17
DocScrutinizerps|grep mce17:17
psycho_oreoswhy not dmesg| grep mce ?17:17
DocScrutinizerbecause the context might be interesting, and there might be other relevant bits17:17
jonwilsmesg | grep mce shows nothing17:18
jonwildmesg that is17:18
jonwilps | grep mce shows nothing else17:18
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jonwilalthough if I search the ps listings manually I do see the daemon running17:19
psycho_oreostry: /sbin/mce --force-syslog &17:19
jonwilits definatly running17:19
jonwilbut no battery light17:20
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lopzhi ;D17:21
jonwilthis is annoying17:21
psycho_oreosdid you check the `device on' for the notification light?17:21
jonwilin mce.ini?17:21
jonwilor where?17:21
psycho_oreosno, under settings17:21
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jonwilthanks, something seems to have turned it off :P17:22
psycho_oreoshmm there's also option for charging under notification light as well, if that's checked don't worry about it, just check the box for device on and see that if the device turns off the screen does it show white light17:22
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infobotpsycho_oreos meant: hmm there's also option for charging under notification light as well, if that's checked don't worry about it, just check the box for device on and see that if the device turns off the screen does it shows white light17:23
jonwilcharging is selected17:23
jonwilbut still no light17:24
ShadowJKI get blue led, opened phone app, no mixxed calls, opened conversations, no missed messages.. still blue,  wtf17:24
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psycho_oreosjonwil, what about device on? does it show white light when the screen isn't on?17:24
DocScrutinizerjonwil: h-e-n?17:24
jonwilnope, no light on the LED at all17:25
* ShadowJK tried /led_cancel17:25
jonwiland no I dont have host-mode installed17:25
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infobotShadowJK meant: I get blue les, opened phone app, no mixxed calls, opened conversations, no missed messages.. still blue,  wtf17:25
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jonwilcannot get the LED to display anything17:25
jonwileven though all the settings are ticked17:25
jarockconnection problem is DTIM Period: 1 by router ^^^17:25
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DocScrutinizerwtf is wrong with ibot??17:25
DocScrutinizeraaah action17:26
DocScrutinizermce,ini borked17:26
psycho_oreosmost of the lights are dependent on specific event triggering, but if it isn't lighting up based on option `device on'17:26
jonwildefinatly no lights at all17:27
psycho_oreoshmm tried what DocScrutinizer said? using dbus17:27
psycho_oreos<DocScrutinizer> try this: dbus-send --system --type=method_call /com/nokia/mce/request string:"PatternCommunicationIM"17:27
ShadowJKjarock, I think I have 50ms17:27
ShadowJKif dtim is same as beacon..17:27
jonwilnothing with that dbus call17:27
jonwilno light at all17:27
jonwilI havent edited mce.ini at all17:28
GNUtoo|laptophi, what's the easiest feedback at the lowest level?17:28
GNUtoo|laptopsomething like an i2cset that blink a led17:28
jonwilunless FM-radio app broke something...17:28
DocScrutinizerjonwil: what's with kbd backlight?17:28
jonwilkbd backlight does light up17:28
psycho_oreosI honestly doubt FM-radio app would break LED light but then again I'm not sure17:29
DocScrutinizerecho 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:r/brightness17:29
jonwilwhen I activate the "screen on" switch, I get kbd backlight17:29
DocScrutinizerjonwil: that's same chip. So it's definitely mce17:29
DocScrutinizeresp if above cmd gives red led17:29
ShadowJKoh, it was opera17:29
jonwilthat echo command did nothing17:29
jonwilwhich is a WTF in itself17:29
jarockShadowJK:  i set DTIM Period: 10 no connection; set DTIM Period: 1 connection with long ping17:29
psycho_oreosjonwil, it sets the brightness on the keyboard iinm17:30
ShadowJKjarock, what was it before?17:30
jarockDTIM Period: 317:30
ShadowJKis that ms or seconds?17:31
psycho_oreosjonwil, actually no correction, on mine it shows up red light, but that's most likely for charging, should be orange/amber by default17:31
ShadowJKoh wait17:31
DocScrutinizerecho 2 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:r/led_current17:31
ShadowJKit's specified in beaconds17:31
DocScrutinizerecho 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:r/brightness17:32
ShadowJKDo you have a beacon interval setting?17:32
jonwilnothing with those 2 commands17:32
jarockBeacon Interval set 999 ms17:32
* jonwil hopes it isnt a hardware fault17:33
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jonwilstock kernel17:33
ShadowJKah yeah, I have that as 50 or 100ms. That's a nice router you have, you can precisely set the powersaving vs lag balance yourself :-)17:33
DocScrutinizershut down. plug in charger. watch led for very short flash of amber17:33
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jarockShadowJK: so how do I get high ping off about 2 seconds17:34
jonwilok, what that did is produced Nokia icon on display with mo backlight plus a vibrate of the vibrator. No LED at all17:35
jonwilThen it displayed some dots in the middle of the screen17:35
jonwiland then nothing17:35
* DocScrutinizer scratches head17:35
ShadowJKjarock, you wwant 2 second pings?17:35
DocScrutinizermaybe your hw has a defect17:35
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jonwilit worked before17:35
jonwilso its a real WTF17:36
psycho_oreosbrand new or second hand n900?17:36
jonwilbrand new17:36
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DocScrutinizerFPC cable defect may start that way17:36
jarockno, I would like low pingrate17:36
jonwilso is there anything else I can try or will I have to deal with warranty?17:37
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jonwilalthough in the grand scheme of things LED is not important17:38
jonwilits just annoying that it wont work17:38
DocScrutinizersorry I'm rather out of ideas. You can try deplete batery *completely* then check emergency charge steady amber light. It's a different chip, just same cable and LED17:38
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psycho_oreosI probably install LED Patterns and restore the functionality or test the various options, failing to work maybe poke around in rd-mode (which I highly doubt it will fix)17:38
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jonwilthe fact that talking to the /sys items doesnt help is a bad sign IMO17:40
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jonwilsince I can talk to the /sys items for the keyboard LEDs and make them change17:40
DocScrutinizerjonwil: I could talk you thru a sequence of i2cset cmds to enable charger steady amber (bq24150 OTG pin), but alas I have no time for that right now17:40
DocScrutinizerShadowJK might help17:40
DocScrutinizerjonwil: indeed17:41
DocScrutinizerand missing jellow flash on charger plugin is an even worse sign, well maybe not. It suggests cable or LED broken. I suspect cable17:42
ShadowJKjarock, I'd set beacon interval to 10017:42
ShadowJKI get short yellow flash even when not in emergency mode17:43
GNUtoo|laptopI get yellow when battery is not handled17:43
DocScrutinizerjonwil: stop bme, wait 30s17:43
GNUtoo|laptopwith no BME etc...17:43
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jonwilok, killed bme17:43
jonwilno change17:44
jonwilno LED17:44
DocScrutinizerjonwil: with charger plugged in17:44
GNUtoo|laptopand wait a bit17:44
DocScrutinizercharger plugged in - stop bme - wait 30s17:44
jonwilok, bme is stopped17:44
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jonwilbattery applet is still playing charging animation17:44
jonwilstill waiting17:45
DocScrutinizerno yellow?17:45
jonwilno change to the LED17:45
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DocScrutinizercable oD broken17:45
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merlin1991the LED is a miracle, it always blinked yellow when charging but atm it blinks green, wtf?17:45
DocScrutinizercable or LED broken17:45
DocScrutinizerI suspect cable17:46
DocScrutinizer--->waranty repair, ASAP17:47
jonwilconnected to other cable (i.e. PC rather than charger) and no change to LED state17:47
jonwilno LED17:47
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jonwilcharger icon still flashing17:47
jonwilbut no LED17:47
jonwilcould that indicate faulty or busted LED?17:47
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: you need to have bme started, wallcharger Nokia plugged, then stop bme, wait 30s17:47
DocScrutinizerother sequences are untested and unclear result17:48
jonwilok, trying that exact scequence now17:48
jonwilwallcharger plugged in17:48
jonwilstop bme17:48
DocScrutinizerstart bme17:48
DocScrutinizerplug in charger17:48
jonwilbattery charge icon still flashing17:48
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DocScrutinizercheck icon is signalling charging17:49
DocScrutinizerstop bme17:49
jonwilyes I had bme plugged in when stopping BME17:49
jonwilI mean charger17:49
jonwilso charger was plugged in, icon was flashing17:49
jonwilI stopped bme17:49
DocScrutinizer--->waranty repair, ASAP17:49
jonwilok, so it sounds like a busted LED?17:49
DocScrutinizerwhich is no difference, they need to change both anyway17:50
jonwilcable as in wallcharger or cable as in something internal to the phone?17:50
DocScrutinizerinternal FPC from kbd to screen17:51
* GNUtoo|laptop is able to blinks leds in SHR easily17:51
GNUtoo|laptopas there are no BME etc....17:51
DocScrutinizerGNUtoo|laptop: meh17:52
DocScrutinizernot with a broken cable17:52
jonwilsounds like not doing something about it could make important bits of the phone not function properly (i.e. screen or touch input)17:52
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GNUtoo|laptopwith echo17:52
GNUtoo|laptopor with mdbus217:52
GNUtoo|laptopbecause here there is hardware + software, that makes 2 variables17:52
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DocScrutinizerGNUtoo|laptop: we already checked all this17:53
DocScrutinizerjonwil: exactly17:53
GNUtoo|laptopsorry then17:54
RST38bisOMG we have lost gerbick17:54
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*** DocScrutinizer sets mode: -q pupnik!*@*17:57
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RST38bis...and what have you done to pupnik? =)17:58
jonwilsounds like this cable fault isnt exactly unheard of on the N900 device...17:58
DocScrutinizerhe took an off time17:58
DocScrutinizerjonwil: at least 5 incidents17:59
RST38bis(state-of-factly) We are going to lose pupnik too.18:00
DocScrutinizerhe just got his mood yesterday18:00
jonwilcould something I did have caused this somehow?18:00
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DocScrutinizerearned +q and queried me "thanks"18:00
jonwilor is this just something that can happen?18:00
DocScrutinizercan happen18:01
DocScrutinizersome cables are crap18:01
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DocScrutinizerso unless you poked a credit card up between kbd and screen... :-)18:01
jonwilI certainly didnt do that intentionally18:02
jonwilbut my phone has been in my bag along with some business cards and crap18:02
jonwilso it could have happened without me noticing it18:02
* jonwil is glad he went with the store offering genuine Australian stock with a genuine Australian warranty18:03
DocScrutinizerrather unlikely. even if the card finds in, it won't come out without help ;-D18:03
jonwilregardless of what happened, I just tell Nokia that my LED wont work and could they please fix it18:03
DocScrutinizerkeep your stylus and maybe battery. chances are you get a new one ;-)18:04
jonwilI am definatly glad I didnt pick the options from the stores that appear to be grey-market importing the phone and supply only their warranty and not the Nokia one18:05
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DocScrutinizerwell, I didn't but it came with second stylus :-D18:06
DocScrutinizerand a really cheesy protective foil covering 2/3 of screen18:07
DocScrutinizerso best is you give it to the shop and ask them to sign a paper confirming scratch free screen18:08
DocScrutinizerjonwil: you may want to test front cam18:09
DocScrutinizermight have stopped working as well18:09
jonwilhow can I test front cam?18:10
jonwilno, what I mean is what app can I run that uses front cam?18:11
jonwiloh ok, thats the name of an app18:11
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DocScrutinizeralso make sure you have an always working wlan and ssh - once screen fails it gets incredibly hard to backup otherwise18:12
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jonwilI have working wlan and working SSH18:13
DocScrutinizerhave to run18:13
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jonwilinstalling mirror now18:15
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jonwilmirror is providing me with a very grainy18:17
jonwilits working but its displaying rear camera image18:17
jonwilif I close rear camera shutter, it displays what I assume is inside of rear camera shutter18:17
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DocScrutinizeryou mustn't open main cam door18:19
jonwiloh ok18:19
DocScrutinizerfront and main are mutually exclusive use18:19
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jonwilok, mirror is running18:19
jonwilmain camera door is closed18:19
jonwiland what I see on screen is just static18:19
jonwila bit like what you get on TV screen except darker colored18:20
DocScrutinizerno surprise - though that's also known effect on low ambient light :-P18:20
jonwilI have plenty of lights turned on18:20
DocScrutinizerfront cam is incredibly poor quality18:20
DocScrutinizeryours is even poorer then18:21
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DocScrutinizeraka defect18:21
jonwilso you think that is another sign of faulty cable?18:21
lcukjonwil, please try something.  reboot and without using other cam, test it18:21
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jonwilok, will try that18:21
RST38bishm, google no longer lets you search for "torrent"18:22
RST38bisand hello lcuk18:22
nidOyou can still search for it, just no auto complete or instant results18:22
nidOtheyve killed a few other torrent-related terms as well18:22
lcukhi RST38bis, your rss feed must be filled with fun18:22
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* SpeedEvil wants unsafe-search.18:23
lcukis that the one where they ONLY show you dodgy sites?18:23
RST38bislcuk: yes, I keep it properly macabre18:23
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* RST38bis does not like the autocomplete btw18:24
lcukRST38bis, a shame18:24
DocScrutinizera PITA18:24
jonwilok, booted up, main camera door is closed, launched mirror18:24
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jonwiland I get a blackish screen18:24
jonwili.e. its black but lit up18:24
nidOturn on more lights18:24
jonwilI have all the lights I can turn on turned on18:25
RST38bislcuk: what have you expected? dandelions? =)18:25
nidObuy more lights18:25
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: open kbd slide, see if it changes18:25
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DocScrutinizerbut it's already pretty clear your cable is defect18:26
DocScrutinizerfront cam only is an indication of how much it is18:26
jonwilopening kbd slide doesnt help18:26
DocScrutinizerrepair, ASAP18:26
jonwildefinatly looks like I need to make a trip to the local Nokia Care center tommorow then18:26
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lcukRST38bis, yes18:26
jonwilin case the faulty/loose/whatever cable becomes more faulty/loose/whatever and causes the screen itself to stop working18:27
jonwilWhat should I do as far as backups go before I take it to Nokia?18:27
* RST38bis presents lcuk with some dandelions18:27
SpeedEviljonwil: Back up everything18:27
SpeedEvilAssume you won't get it back18:27
jonwilhow do I backup?18:28
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SpeedEvilDo you have contacts or calendars on the device?18:28
jonwilyes I think so18:28
SpeedEvilThe 'backup' application will do that.18:29
SpeedEvilYou can save to SD.18:29
SpeedEvilI don't know of a nice way to expport your contacts or calendar into some otehr form18:29
alteregoRST38bis: does bis sound for biscuit?18:30
alteregosound? stand!18:30
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jonwilI want to backup all contacts and calendars in a way I can restore later as well as backing up any settings saved by other apps18:30
jonwile.g. control panel options18:30
jonwilor e.g. stuff apps I installed saved18:30
jonwilI will use the OVI suite backup app I think18:31
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jonwildoes the backup procedure backup the apps I installed via OVI downloads or via application manager (i.e. will it automatically reinstall those things) or do I need to manually re-install that stuff?18:31
SpeedEvilAs I understand it, no.18:32
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SpeedEvilYou need to redownload them, it saves lists of what you've installed.18:32
SpeedEvilBut if the repo goes away, you're screwed18:32
jonwilwell I only downloaded from the device default repos18:32
jonwili.e. extras18:32
jonwilso it should be fine18:32
alteregodoes nitdroid have bme/power management?18:32
* jonwil hopes Nokia doesn't find some excuse to count this fault as a "non warranty fault" and charge me for it18:33
jonwilAlthough if its happened before, its likely that it will be in their database as a "known issue"18:33
jonwiland therefore something they cover for warranty18:34
merlin1991jonwil, the backup app saves a list of the installed apps, and when you play the backup back in you can install them all from ham with 1 button18:34
jonwilok, thats great18:34
jonwilwhat about stuff I installed from the ovi store18:34
jonwilor is that differnt?18:34
jonwilalthough the only thing I installed from ovi store was Solitare18:35
jonwiland that was free18:35
alteregogasss bawlz!18:35
alteregoI like the angle meter app too18:35
merlin1991I never installed stuff from the ovi store, so I don' know about that18:36
jonwilI think I will grab (via SFTP/SSH) a copy of anything on my device that looks possibly relavent just in case I find that something didnt backup properly and I lost my settings for some app (that way I can copy over the settings file from my dump)18:36
SpeedEvilrsync is cool!18:36
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SpeedEvilDo however remember to exclude /sys and /proc18:37
jonwilyeah I know what to exclude18:37
SpeedEvilSo do I.18:37
SpeedEvilI just forgot.18:37
alteregoand /dev and /bin18:37
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RST38bisand /tmp18:37
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alteregoand /lib /usr/lib /usr/bin /usr/sbin /sbin ...18:37
SpeedEvilAnd was most worried when rsync reported lots of errors due to not being able to read files.18:37
RST38bisand probably /opt as well18:37
SpeedEvilalterego: Actually - I backed up the whole device18:38
* jonwil wonders if N900 is A genuine departure from the usual solid-as-a-rock Nokia hardware or whether all Nokia hardware is now starting to be less reliable...18:40
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alteregojonwil: The N900 has been rock solid for me.18:40
wmaronesame, mine's over a year old18:41
jonwilwell I am referring to the reports of this screen cable issue and also the USB port problem18:41
nidOall hardware starting to be less reliable because your moving cable seems to have died?18:41
alteregoMine is a year old 14th next month18:41
alteregoWell, I'm quite a heavy handed user, and I'm plugging/unplugging my device a lot more than the average18:42
alteregoI have no problem.18:42
jonwilwhat I meant was whether these kind of problems are showing up more on the N900 than other Nokia hardware or whether they are happening to other Nokia hw (n95 e.g.18:42
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nidOwell not much hardware gets screen cable problems, for obvious reasons.18:42
alteregoMy N95 still works18:42
alteregoI think Nokia build quality is as good as it gets tbh18:43
nidOand nokia acknowledged a problem with some of the very early manufactured n900's, and sorted it18:43
alterego(in general)18:43
jonwilwell my Motorola Z6 slider is rock solid18:43
jonwiland that got bashed about a lot18:43
nidObeyond that, its most likely generally overly heavy handed users breaking them and happening to have the excuse of some having weak ports in the past18:43
jonwilThat was a vertical slider with a dial pad vs the qwerty slider of the N900 though18:43
jonwilplus it only had the screen and a top keypad, no front camera or touch or anything18:44
SpeedEvilAn annoying hardware issue I'm having on mine is that the lock button sticky-out-blob is wearing off18:45
SpeedEvilSo it's harder to unlock18:45
nidOcut your nails? :p18:45
wmaroneSpeedEvil: wow, you managed to wear that off? I've at most scraped the paint off...18:46
* jonwil hopes they dont take too long to fix his N900, he is using it as his only telephone and doesn't have a landline anymore18:47
trip0they are normally pretty quick at fixing/replacing18:47
trip0took mine less than 10 days18:48
SpeedEvilwmarone: wear off - no.18:48
RST38bisSpeedEvil: get longer nails :)18:48
SpeedEvilwmarone: wear down a bit so it's harder to catch with a nail - yes18:48
jonwilI think the best thing to do is to call up Nokia Care first thing tomorrow, tell them whats wrong (LED failing to work) and ask them about bringing it into the Nokia Care center directly18:49
RST38bisSpeedEvil: and go for the edge of the slider rather than the blob18:49
SpeedEvilRST38: yeah18:49
steinexi have a question about the mail app18:50
steinexi have a google mail account with some folders18:50
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jonwilThe 2 times I have had my previous phone fixed I left it with them and came back later that day and it was fixed18:50
steinexI want to use them with my N900, but i don't want to get notifications for INBOX but for three other folders18:50
steinexis this possible?18:50
GeneralAntillesClearly we need MeeGo on the Sony NGP.18:50
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nidOsteinex: no, the app doesnt support local folder subscriptions. it's had a bug report open since forever18:52
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jonwilOne was with a Motorola Official service center (needed a software install due to accidentally sending an "erase" command to the bootloader/flasher whilst trying to develop something to read the flash from the device) and the other was with a generic repair shop because one of the buttons came off the upper kepad18:53
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kodomo_hi folks... got two questions related to h-e-n which I find it hard to find the answer in forums due to a lot of clutter w.r.t. the N900 not supporting host mode - maybe someone around here knows the answers :) :18:55
kodomo_1) given a F2F adaptor, a Y-cable (e.g. as supplied with some external hard drives), and a peripheral... can the N900 charge, while the peripheral is used (assuming that I don't enable VBUS 5V)?18:56
kerioDocScrutinizer: *h-e-n poke*18:56
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kodomo_2) is there support for non-storage devices available/planned? (I'm especially thinking of a usb-to-vga adaptor - even though I presume a lot of stuff - like xrandr - is yet missing to use it even if the module operates it :) )18:57
kodomo_kerio: thx - you get a lot of dumb h-e-n questions these days? ;)18:58
mceplwhat do you guys know about ActiveSync and merged contacts on N900? I have an issue with syncing N900 to Zarafa ( ... is it an issue of N900? If yes, is there a bug for it?18:58
SpeedEvilkodomo_: A USB VGA adaptor has been gotten woreking. I have no other knowledge18:58
kodomo_SpeedEvil: cool :D will keep looking for that one, then :) (good to know it's not futile, at least :P )19:00
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jonwilare /home/opt and /opt the same thing?19:05
jonwili.e. do they point to the same place?19:06
kerioone is bindmounted to the other19:06
kerioso yeah19:06
jonwilgood that means I only need to back up one and not both19:06
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jonwilok, wtf, my SD card has some files with garbage filenames that I just cant seem to delete via any means19:19
jonwilthey contain characters that are most DEFINATLY not valid characters in a filename for a FAT file system19:19
jonwilideas on how to remove the garbage?19:19
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jonwilrm -rf says it a "read only file system"19:20
jonwilrm -rf in a SSH window that is19:20
slonopotamusif it says so, then it really is.19:20
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kodomo_SpeedEvil: just in case: found it - keyword to look out for seems to be libdlo :)19:23
kodomo_does anyone happen to know the answer to my first question? (charging with h-e-n)19:23
jonwilok, wierd, I remounted it as read-write but it still says its a "read only filesystem"19:24
jonwilsomething at a lower level getting in the way?19:24
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alteregojonwil: is this an SD?19:26
jonwilmicrosd yes19:26
jonwiland no there is no readonly switch on the card itself19:26
alteregoHas it got a read-write lock switch?19:26
alteregoNo, I don't think they have them for micro sd tbh19:26
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jonwilhmmm, somehow I doubt that the date of 2085 on this file is correct19:27
jonwilI think best bet is to copy contents of SD card off, reformat SD card, copy contents back19:27
ShadowJKUsually the filesystem gets set read-only if serious errors are encountered19:27
jonwilwhats the right way to reformat the SD card?19:28
alteregoI'd put it into a desktop machine and use mkfs.vfat19:28
alteregoThough you should be able to do it on the N90019:28
jonwilI dont have a reader that can read SD card19:29
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jonwilhmmm, I dont know how but I just managed to remove the garbage files19:33
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jonwilwell the files are gone so it should be fine now19:35
jonwilalthough a dosfsck may help19:35
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jonwildosfsck finds no errors19:36
alteregoI still think there's probably something very wrong with that card tbh :P19:36
jonwilI think it was garbage created by my previous phone19:37
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ShadowJKI have a card that silently corrupts itself :)19:40
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* jonwil is worried about being without a phone for up to a week or more (which may be an issue if someone important tries to call me)19:46
alteregoGet a cheep one from the supermarket.19:47
alteregocheeeap :)19:47
alteregoIt'll be fun because you wont know who's calling you :)19:48
alteregoSo it might be someone you don't want to talk to.19:48
jonwilAny calls I get will be calls from people I want to talk to19:49
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alteregoNot if I get your number! muahaha19:49
chxreally, does anyone important ever call you?19:50
chxthere's email :)19:50
jonwilyes they do, I get calls from family and calls from things related to possible new jobs.19:51
jonwiland I need to make calls too, e.g. calls to family19:51
jonwilAs for buying another phone, even the cheapest of the cheap is still expensive here (at least the ones that would work with my carrier and SIM)19:52
nidOdoesnt your service centre have loaners available?19:52
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jonwilthey might, I will ask when I go19:53
jonwilthey may be able to loan me a phone19:53
jacekowskianybody living in US?19:53
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jonwilor they may say "come back in a few hours and we will know if the fix can be done on the spot or if it will require us to keep the phone for a few days"19:53
jonwilThen again, based on what I saw with Google, "on-the-spot-fix" is not in the Nokia Care volcabulary19:54
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jonwilbut yeah I will talk to them tomorrow and find out what the deal is19:54
nidOon the spot fixes dont tend to happen with any phone at any service centre19:55
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nidObecause they dont happen to have labs, parts, and expensive techs in high street stores19:55
jonwilwell this isnt a high-street store, this seems to be an actual service center19:56
nidOon the spot fixes tend to happen for things like devices needing a reflash, if you're lucky, and not much else19:56
jacekowskithing is19:56
jacekowskithat nobody will diagnose a phone in 5 minutes19:56
jacekowskiby just looking at it19:56
RST38hnid0: Actually, fixes do not tend to happen at all19:56
jonwilsure, I am not expecting an instant fix19:56
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RST38hnid0: Nokia's service hub will most likely replace the motherboard and send the phone back19:56
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jonwilI would hope that they wont replace the motherboard for a busted LED, a busted screen cable or a loose screen cable (the likely causes of my problem)19:57
jonwilI would hope they would replace the screen cable or the screen/LED PCB19:58
jonwiland not the motherboard19:58
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chxwhy is it a problem for you if they replace the mb19:58
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alteregochx: data19:59
jonwilits not but I dont see why Nokia would replace the motherboard if doing so is not required to fix the problem19:59
chxum you certainly back your data up before sending it away19:59
alteregoIf they replace the main board they replace emmc and root filesystems.19:59
jonwilwhy replace an expensive motherboard when a cheap screen cable is all that has to be replaced19:59
alteregochx: what if you can't :P19:59
jonwilin any case I wont be sending it away19:59
alteregojonwil: time :P19:59
alteregoAnd they get spared :D19:59
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chxalterego: surely you have daily backups.20:00
jacekowskichx: i do20:00
jonwilI will be taking it into the Nokia Care Center myself20:00
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nidOchx: he does, most people dont.20:00
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chxthere are two kinds of people, remember, one regurarly backs up the other not yet.20:00
alteregoI'll be syncing between the two I have now.20:01
alteregoDaily :)20:01
nidOamusing little cliched sayings dont alter the fact though, that most people fall into the "my phone's a phone" category, not "my phone's a data storage device that contains important data that I must frequently back...*snore*"20:02
alteregoMy phone usually contains my most important data tbh20:02
alteregoI even backup my SVN repo to it :)20:02
jacekowskiwell, i have MfE sync20:02
alterego(Mainly for code on the move though)20:02
jacekowskiother stuff isn't as important20:03
jacekowskiall conversations are jabber conversations and are backed up on my server20:03
alteregoMy contacts and communications are the most important.20:03
jacekowskimusic is just a copy of my home hdd20:03
jacekowskimovies same20:03
alteregoYeah, same.20:03
jacekowskiporn is a copy of my home hdd as well20:04
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jonwilyep, all the info I can find on the nokia site confirms that a "nokia care center" is definatly a repair shop and not just a shopfront.20:06
nidOit might differ from country to country I guess20:07
jonwilit says "repair center", "premium repair center" and "recycling center" for my locan one20:07
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jonwilit may be that in some countries, Nokia have shopfronts in some cities and repair centers in others20:08
RedWarI am chatting with you all from my N900! Hello all! I have a question, only have 2.5G, with my carrier, any way to optimize my web to reduce lags?20:08
jonwiland if you bring it into the shopfront, it gets sent to the nearest care center20:08
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SpeedEvilRedWar: Turn off images is the obvious one.20:09
piggzwoo, my n900 is back from repair ! :)20:09
jonwilhow long did yours take?20:09
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jonwiland what was your fault?20:09
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piggz2 weeks exactly20:10
chxRedWar: Opera Mobile?20:10
SpeedEvilOh yeah - that too20:10
MrBawbyeah, maybe opera mobile with turbo turned on20:10
RedWarno usimg stock browser chx20:10
piggzthe fault was it was panicing all the time....greatest uptime was 3 days...they say they replaced the board so must have been dire20:10
chxRedWar: I mean, Opera Mobile would save you tons o' bandwidth20:11
nidORedWar: hes suggesting using opera instead of microb20:11
SpeedEvilAlso - if you're clueful - ssh/socks proxy to your server, and setup microb to use the proxy20:11
RedWarIs that in Ovi store?20:11
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chxtry from your mobile20:13
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RedWarSpeedEvil is there wiki on that?20:13
SpeedEvilRedWar: not as far as I'm aware20:14
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RedWarthanks MrBawb chx nid020:14
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RedWarthanks SpeedEvil20:15
chxthe opera.install file, just shortened for you is
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CrakI have a problem with my n900, whenever I touch the screen it goes blank, I have to lock it and open the lid for it to show again20:17
Crakany known issue regarding that behavior?20:17
SpeedEvilShaking it will also sometimes make the screen go blank?20:17
SpeedEvilOr moving the slide?20:18
Crakno, shaking doesnt20:18
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SpeedEvilIt doesn't quite sound like a cable fault.20:19
Crakno, I believe its software related20:20
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Crakbut I didnt install anything before it happened20:20
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alteregoCrak: so what makes you think it's software? You can reflash and test I guess, but that seems like a bit of a stab in the dark to me :P20:23
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Crakthat the screen works whenever I dont touch it20:24
alteregoWell, reflash and test :)20:25
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Craknot even the display applet for maintaining the display lit works20:27
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toadphoneHey ppl, all my app repositories seem to have deleted themselves somehow. Could someone possibly give me the repository details?20:40
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RST38hSuicide Bomber Blown Up by Happy New Year Text !20:42
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hallynhm, well i'll ask and risk channel ire.  FOr the last few days, every time i have an incoming call, phone refuses after that to be on network (phone or 3g - calls give me a series of 'can't connect' tones).  I don't even know where to go with this.20:45
RST38hprobably to your carrier20:46
RST38hdoes it always happen in the same geographic location?20:46
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hallynRST38h: hm, I think not, but am not sure20:48
hallynRST38h: ok, i can hop over to t-mobile, just figured it was more likely a hardware problem (and i bought the phone from dell)20:48
al_0Hi folks, just a quick question. In your experience is it difficult to port a maemo software to a desktop distro like fedora or ubuntu? I'm asking this because I'm interested in a cool piece of python sw, www2sms, but it depends on something like pymaemo-optify20:48
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hallynRST38h: thx20:49
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RST38hWell, it is not Dell's problem20:49
mikhasal_0, pymaemo-optify is just for maemo debianization20:49
mikhasso should be easy to get rid of that dep20:49
RST38hBased on what you describe, it is unlikely to be Nokia's problem (the behaviour is too specific, hw does not break this specifically)20:50
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RST38hBut it does sound consistent with your cell services provider screwing up, *especially* if it always occurs at the same location20:50
al_0mikhas: perfect :)20:50
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tychoHi, I have a problem on my Maemo 5 nokia...20:52
* RST38h wonders if all these folks consider #maemo a free service center of sorts20:52
RST38hMeanwhile: "Utah's Dugway Proving Ground  where the Army tests biological weapon defense systems  is on lockdown and no one can leave"20:52
tychoI get a ovi store notice that i need to accept their terms at startup, and they keep on sending me sms from nokia20:52
tychoI dont get the flasher working on my xp x6420:53
tychoAnd no conversations is saved20:53
tychowhen I do rm -rf .rtcom-eventlogger , it says incorrect file handler20:53
RST38htycho: You can type "maemo flasher x64" into google and the first link in the list will provide you with the best available information on how to deal with x6420:54
tychoI did you fuck20:54
tychoWhat is your problem20:54
RST38hSo, was that ONE problem you described, or many problems?20:54
tychoThey are all problems that are probably connected20:54
tychoExcept the x64 one20:55
Funnyfacedoes the OEM N900 charger have the D+ and D- pins shorted?20:55
RST38hOk. Multiple problems. Mistook IRC channel for a service center. Got it.20:55
tychoFuck off20:56
tychoYou aint helping shit20:56
tychoSo just go and shove a dick down your throat20:56
FunnyfaceI wish I could do that20:56
RST38hSpews uncreative prophanities too.20:56
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merlin1991Funnyface, I think it even has a resistor according to the usb spec20:57
tychoI am impressed over your use of the english language20:57
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tychoFucking idiot, acting like you have some kind of status in a irc chat room? Go fuck yourself20:57
ShadowJKthe usb spec is worded as "maximum 150 ohm", iirc20:57
Funnyfacealright, well I got some emergency charger that charges too slow because the N900 won't pull more than 100mA, so was thinking of modifying a cable to let it charge faster20:58
tychoYou apparently dont know anything about unix or n900 so go and do something else bitch? Ignored.20:58
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merlin1991I read on tmo/irc, I dunno anymore that it's enough when you just shorten the d+ and d-20:58
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trumeetycho: never seen you around but RST38h does help people here20:58
trumeetycho: there is a thread on tmo about x6420:59
ShadowJKit's enough, I shorted d+/d- on my tekkeon and it works20:59
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tychotrumee : Alright ill look it up20:59
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Funnyfacewell when people use the "bitch" word in an insult they are usually just immature kids that have watched a bit too much american TV series.20:59
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tychoWell, that thread is for win 7 x6421:00
Funnyfacethanks for the info, will try sticking a 150 ohm resistor across the pins then21:00
tychoI use Win xp X6421:00
al_0"Gelato? Milk and eggs, bitch"21:00
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tychoFunnyface : People that remark on peoples use of words are fucking idiots21:00
tychoBut sure, you seem like the mature one21:01
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ShadowJKal_0, damn you, it was hard to resist typing that myself21:02
al_0ShadowJK: ;)21:02
Funnyface<tycho>I am impressed over your use of the english language21:02
DocScrutinizerkodomo_: see
Funnyfaceso that makes you an idiot then ;)21:02
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tychoOk so I managed to get ovi suite working after installing wmp 1121:03
tychoThe only linux computer I got is a ppc running debian21:04
merlin1991Funnyface, I'd just shorten d+ and d+ without any resistor, that's proven to work21:04
tychoIs it possible to flash a device with it21:04
infobotmerlin1991 meant: Funnyface, I'd just shorten d- and d+ without any resistor, that's proven to work21:04
trumeeDocScrutinizer: do i need anything else to patch up stock kernel other than usbhostmode.diff  for h-e-n?21:05
al_0the last time I tried ovi suite it didn't even export sms in csv, while nokia suite did... I hope they fixed that21:05
Funnyfacealright, but I can just use a resistor since I have lots of them. means that plugging it into a USB port on a PC won't necessarily kill the bus21:06
tychomerlin1991: It only supports 32 bits debian21:06
tychoIs a 32 bit os the same as a ppc one21:06
merlin1991ah sry missed the ppc part21:06
tychoDo you think it will work21:07
tychoMaybe it is supported21:07
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derfRST38h: mo00000000000000000ooooooo0o0o0o.21:07
Funnyfacedon't help him, he's just trolling about ^^21:09
chxFunnyface: the USB port is extensively protected against shorts AFAIK21:09
chxFunnyface: certain USB variants are not THAT hard to plug in backwards and when that came to light , everyone rushed in short protections to the best my knowledge (i tink it was the 4 pin mini)21:10
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SpeedEvilThe spec has always said you can short any pin to any pin I think.21:11
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chxSpeedEvil: really?21:11
chxSpeedEvil: that's a better explanation :D21:11
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DocScrutinizertycho: you're 5sec from getting kickbanned for insulting people21:14
firestorm|any one had a fault with phone the micro usb beinvg very lose and not charging properly?21:14
SpeedEvilfirestorm|: yes. (though not me)21:15
SpeedEvilIt then falls out.21:15
DocScrutinizertrumee: sorry, no idea. Ask MohammadAG21:15
firestorm|SpeedEvil send it back?21:15
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DocScrutinizerFunnyface: shorting D+/- is sufficient21:15
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RST38hmoo lardman21:16
SpeedEvilfirestorm|: Did you buy it new? It should be repairable.21:16
RST38hheya, derf21:16
firestorm|yer it is but not insured any more21:16
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firestorm|cause they are wankers, excuse my bad lanauage21:16
SpeedEvilfirestorm|: where are you?21:16
lardmanhi RST38h21:16
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derfWhat's shakin'.21:17
DocScrutinizerchx: yes, USB is short immune21:17
tychoDocScrutinizer: Ok. I just get mad when people talk to me in a insulting manner.21:17
firestorm|was fine yesturday now it's crap21:17
trumeeMohammadAG, is hostmode.diff the only patch required for h-e-n?21:17
firestorm|doing my nut in21:17
RST38hderf: not much, considering replacements for n90021:17
DocScrutinizertycho: you started insulting manner21:17
RST38hderf: Android NDK is...mhm....limiting.21:18
derfWork got me a Droid 2 for development.21:18
derfI am... not impressed.21:18
tychoI asked a simple question, that other guy replied in a derigatory way21:18
RST38hYes, feels like PalmOS all over again21:18
DocScrutinizertycho: reread21:18
lardmanderf: port Meego?21:19
lardmanto the Droid 221:19
derflardman: Sounds like a lot of work.21:19
tychoSorry I cant, I dont log conversations21:19
RST38hderf: Will probably wait until summer, then get Dell Streak, unless the miracle happens and Nokia manages to release their next device21:20
firestorm|what does it mean if light is just on orange?21:20
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RST38hlardman: AFAIK, not easy, as Droid2 has protected boot loader21:20
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tychoI dont get this21:21
RST38hlardman: + Meego is useless for day to day operation21:21
tychoHalfway through it stops reinstalling21:21
derfI had to find a freaking webpage to tell me a random sequence of unmarked places to tap on the screen just to get past the initial welcome screen without activating Verizon service.21:21
derfIt went downhill from there.21:21
RST38hderf: Fun!21:22
tychoIs there a way some sudo or access thing can destroy the n900 file ssystem21:22
lardmanRST38h: well yeah to all the above, but I hope that once I've got Meego working vaguely usefully on the Tab, it will be useful too21:22
DocScrutinizertycho: anyway you've been warned. If I had been alert realtime, you were already banned. Please do not call names on others in this chan21:22
lardmanprotected bootloader is a problem though21:22
RST38hlardman: yea, but in a phone, it should at least do phone calls, internet, and battery management21:23
tychoDocScrutinizer Ok21:23
lardmanderf: the whole Android development scene is nasty, random downloads from rapidshare, bits of info here and there, old wives tales, etc21:23
RST38hlardman: and then you will probably need apps, too21:23
lardmanRST38h: hey don't get me depressed!21:23
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ShadowJKtycho, there are numerous ways to ruin the filesystem, and it's easier with sudo/root :)21:23
derflardman: Yes, it's as if Maemo had TMO, and nothing else.21:23
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lardmanderf: TMO with only posts from the past 3 months at that21:24
tychoShadowJK: Yes... I have experienced that on other linux boxes21:24
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tychoWindows gives me headaches21:24
* lardman finds the look of Windows is still vastly preferable to Gnome21:25
Mouseydon't use it!21:25
* RST38h likes gnome. Nothing wrong with it.21:25
DocScrutinizerbtw, on a sidenote: /topic has a link to chanlog21:25
tychoI use programs that need to use windows21:25
* Mousey finds the flexibility of gnome and kde vastly preferable to windows21:26
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tychoAnd wine dont work well with them21:26
lardmanno I agree, though not being able to copy the current path in the file browser is crappy, but for some reason it all just looks soft and wishy-washy, not clean and crisp21:26
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jonwilAndroid "dev" scene is all about taking bits from one phone, mixing it with bits from another phone and producing a so-called "custom ROM" (that probably violates the copyright of who knows how many developers) for people to flash onto their devices21:26
RST38hlardman: Midnight Commander =)21:26
lardmanyeah but really the in-built one should just work21:27
lardmanalso the lack of "open term here"21:27
steinexdoes Meegos mail application support watching other Folders than INBOX?21:27
RST38hlardman: the in-built one was originally based on the same mc, but perverted to the point of unusability21:27
tychoBasically my problem is 1. A nokia ovi store notice pops up everytime i start the phone , 2. no conversations are saved and I think the eventlogger folder might be corrupted because whe ni try rm -f it just says nfs handle error21:28
ShadowJKI have my mail sorted into about 20 folders by the mail server. I access my mail through imap. Folders show up on n90021:28
derflardman: I don't use a file browser at all.21:28
tycho3. my nokia keeps sending me sms saying welcome back to ovi store21:28
derfAnd I don't miss it.21:28
steinexShadowJK: folders show up, yeah, but i cant subscribe folders21:29
ShadowJKtycho, nfs handler error doubles as generic "your filesystem is fubar" message :-)21:29
steinexShadowJK: i want to use my n900 as a nagios-mail-alert-handy21:29
tychofubar as in21:29
tychoI need to buy a new one?21:29
steinexand i don't want to clutter my inbox with nagiosmails...21:29
tychoOr just , format ?21:29
ShadowJKfilesystem, not hardware, so just format21:29
tychoovi suite wont let me reinstall the firmware21:30
tychoOr do I have to flash it?21:30
DocScrutinizertycho: nokia store msg is cherry, see wiki about cherry and MyNokia/NotMyNokia21:30
Funnyfacenow to figure out which wire goes where..21:30
DocScrutinizertycho: NFS errors are usually indication of a completely wrecked FS. reflash, it's proabably the only thing you can do21:31
ShadowJKYeah, you'd have to flash both the "fiasco" and emmc images. It'd wipe everything and start from scratch, so I'd copy music and such off of it first.21:31
tychoDo you think it is possible to use a ubuntu livecd and run it as live and do it ?21:31
lardmanderf: I quite like drag and drop and the ease of seeing all the files in a dir in date order without needing to continually type ls -rtl21:32
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tychoAlright I will try it, nothing seems to work in Windows XP X64, it just keep saying it cant find my USB21:32
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: white and green are the both D lines21:32
lardmanwhat I really miss is my 3rd monitor, it's not willing to work with Ubuntu, but with Win7 all is fine - multi-head is something that Linux still doesn't do well21:32
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derfDo you have more than one graphics card?21:33
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: red is plus, black is GND21:33
ShadowJKWell, getting n900 into flashing mode seems pretty challenging for many21:33
lardmanyes and one's nVidia and one's ATi21:33
RST38hlardman: you can probably run a second X11 on it =)21:33
lardmanRST38h: that's a pita though21:33
tychoShadowJK: Its probably easy on linux21:33
derfHmm, I thought win7 didn't support multiple cards from different vendors.21:33
lardmanno actually the problem with this monitor is that Linux won't detect it21:33
tychoBut here, the drivers just fucks it all up21:34
derfBut in any case, yes, that's because the X server gutted xinerama.21:34
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RST38hlardman: not really, although it will add complexity to your life21:34
lardmanderf: Win7 and indeed XP have always been happy to do that21:34
* ShadowJK goes sleep21:34
lardmanRST38h: not being able to move windows is a pita in my world ;)21:34
tychoShadowJK: thx for the help21:34
derflardman: No, I mean I had someone tell me just yesterday that they stopped.21:34
FunnyfaceDocScrutinizer: alright, thanks :>21:35
derf"Someone" being David Airlie.21:35
lardmanderf: no idea, but I've never had any problems and have been running with mixed cards for the past 5 years or so, XP and now 721:35
FunnyfaceI just hope the wires will be insulated with plastic, and that they don't use a bunch of mixed strands of magnet wire..21:36
Funnyfacelike they do in some ear plugs21:36
derflardman: Well, learn something every day.21:36
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lardmanI guess part of the Linux problem is that one only has a single version of gles installed at a time, which means one set of monitors can be accelerated, and also causes hassle when updating drivers21:37
RST38hlardman: maybe we are in for a surprise. a few more hotfixes and....21:37
lardmanat least that's my interpretation21:37
lardmanRST38h: as long as they change the highlighting of the active window so I can see it's active, that drives me mad with Win721:37
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RST38hlardman: turn off the evil air thing, then configure the colors21:38
RST38hthat won't do much about the ugly thick window borders though21:39
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Funnyfaceok, my lucky day, it's one one of those pain in the ass cables :>21:42
Funnyfacenot one*21:43
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RST38hheya javispedro22:09
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ironchewNot sure if this is the right channel for help...22:10
ironchewI have a problem with the N900's application manager.22:10
* RST38h promptly hits his head at the wall22:11
ironchewI tried adding the extras-devel repo and now it doesn't display any repositories at all.22:11
* javispedro ponders why x-chat suddenly went to white font over white bakcground for no discernible reason =)22:11
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RST38hjavispedro: that was ironchew adding extras-devel repo.22:12
javispedroor me destroying gconf22:13
ironchewIn the log I keep on getting various iterations of "apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: PROGRAM"22:13
ironchewI would normally try and fix the apt files myself, but I don't have a way to get root permissions.22:13
ironchewSo I'm in a bit of a pickle, I guess.22:13
steinexso my n900 just got a use back :)22:13
RST38hOk. Logical first steps:22:13
steinexor better, a value...22:14
RST38h1. Download "root" utility .deb package from the extras manually, copy it to the device22:14
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RST38h2. unpack to ~, run "root"22:14
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RST38h3. you have got root privileges now22:14
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ironchewAh ha.22:15
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RST38hDo keep in mind that HAM and apt store their sources data in different locations22:15
RST38hAnd you can actually look at this data even now, to see what went wrong, as the files are readable by all22:16
javispedrosoltys, anything newsworthy?22:16
* javispedro has been reading stskeeps' "ntfs paranoia" thread, but still has popcorn to spare22:18
RST38hjavispedro: url?22:18
javispedro(thanks to mwkn)22:19
RST38hOMG, what is Stskeeps doing?22:19
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RST38hIs he spreading this memetic hazard on purpose ? =)22:19
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RST38hEspecially considering that the realy reason for dropping NTFS is *most likely* the boot time decrease?22:20
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ironchewI see "rootsh" in /extras/pool/fremantle/r/22:21
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javispedroboot time decrease?22:21
ironchewShould I use that?22:21
RST38hrootsh will do22:21
javispedromeego is already modular, afaik.22:21
RST38hjavispedro: During your desktop unix boot time, see how much time NTFS initialization takes22:21
RST38hjavispedro: You may be surprised22:21
javispedromount time? I do not think the proposal is about having root on ntfs or the like22:22
RST38hjavispedro: No, no, just initializing the core part of ntfs22:22
javispedrobut about shipping the ufully user space ntfs3g22:22
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RST38hjavispedro: dunno about ntfs3g22:23
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javispedroimo they have a point about patents (stskeeps has also another one with vfat)22:23
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RST38hBut anyways, nothing prevents you from adding it on top22:23
ironchewI have root!  Woo-hoo!22:24
javispedrobut I think they just se ntfs3g as sucky22:24
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ironchewI'll see if I can figure it out from here.  Thanks.22:24
RST38hjavispedro: I think Stskeeps is trolling the lemmings, in the most artful way22:24
lbtRST38h: where? sounds fun :)22:24
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javispedroscroll a bit for the linkiewhen even stskeeps trolls th see22:26
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al_0NTFS under linux is complete shit, cpu at 25%-50% on a pentium 4.22:39
al_0on a moderate throughput, even read only22:40
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GNUtoo|laptopal_0, nfs3g?22:44
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GNUtoo|laptopa recent one?22:44
GNUtoo|laptopbecause very old version are less performant22:45
GNUtoo|laptopis it better under windows?22:45
GNUtoo|laptopwith the pentium 4?22:45
al_0yes, it is22:45
GNUtoo|laptopok, so maybe bugreport to the ntfs3g devellopers22:45
al_0I thought it was a known issue22:45
GNUtoo|laptopI've no idea22:45
al_0I mean, the high cpu usage22:45
GNUtoo|laptopfindout if it's a known issue22:46
al_0I think I will just keep complaining :P22:47
al_0no, seriously, from what I've read the router linux distros don't reccomend NTFS22:48
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al_0for its high cpu usage22:49
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Venemohey guys22:51
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luke-jral_0: NTFS is complete $#|+ either way, and shouldn't be recommended even if it were fast.22:57
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VenemoNTFS is properitary crap and the way it works under linux is completely based on reverse engineering AFAIK -> no wonder it is not recommended23:06
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keriontfs-3g is stable!23:07
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al_0stable yes, good... not so much23:07
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Venemokerio: it works for me too :P23:08
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lardmanRST38h: re Aero - need to keep my graphics card in shape between invocations of CUDA calculations ;)23:12
lardmanhi Venemo23:12
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alteregoThere's something very sexy about an N900 booting up with kernel messages and that little penguin23:15
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Venemoalterego: there's something very sexy about my gf undressing - there is nothing sexy about the kernel messages.23:17
realsportcarshi all23:17
Venemoalterego:  :P23:17
Venemohi realsportcars23:17
realsportcarsI need a QTextEdit guru :P23:17
BCMMalterego: how do you make it do that?23:17
alteregoBCMM: running MeeGo23:18
BCMMno way in maemo?23:18
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Venemohey again23:20
Venemorealsportcars: so what about QTextEdit?23:20
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realsportcarsI need to display the cursor also if readonly is true23:21
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realsportcarswhen you set that property cursor is not displayed but I need it...23:21
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Venemorealsportcars: hm.23:22
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realsportcars(for fastsmsevo, if you know)23:22
Venemorealsportcars: the only thing I can recommend is a hack around this.23:22
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realsportcarsit is good (I think)
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Venemorealsportcars: make the thing not readonly. and on text change, restore the original text.23:24 you know fastsmsevo?23:25
Venemorealsportcars: no23:25
Venemorealsportcars: what's that?23:25
realsportcarsok...this is a virtual kb replacement on N90023:25
Venemorealsportcars: and?23:26
realsportcarswith autorotation, t9, qwerty ecc23:26
realsportcarsthe problem is that:23:26
Venemorealsportcars: sounds okay!23:26
realsportcarsif the field is read-only "commited" text will go to "client" app23:26
realsportcarsif not, the text is commited sometimes yes and sometimes not23:27
Venemorealsportcars: if it has any support for non-Latin1 characters (öüóőúéáűí), I'll gladly test and help with it23:28 querty there are different sets of characters...23:28
realsportcarsI don't know what exactly you need :)23:28
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Venemorealsportcars: I need öüóőúéáűí characters. (Hungarian)23:29
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realsportcarswait....I'm checking23:30
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realsportcarsnot all those characters are presents23:32
realsportcarsmissing 4th and 8th23:32
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Venemorealsportcars: can I customize it?23:41
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realsportcarsnot yet...but i'm planning to add this feature23:42
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eichimappero is much better then ovi maps. would be good, if navit could automatically download vector map parts, that would be fine23:52
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lardmaneichi: that would be a reasonably easy enhancement from what I remember23:58
lardmanthough which are you favouring, mappero or Navit>?23:58
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eichii only tried navit on n800, will install it on n900 now. i like the user interface of mappero, but tiles are not very nice. and i dont like google much. also google routing23:59

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