IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-01-26

trx"it has missing dependencies"00:00
trxis this fresh data or has this been fixed?00:00
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makulkaron maemo, i have parent qwidget, create a child widget, call child->hide() and parents hides too. Or atleast video which is playing on parent widget stops00:01
trxignore what i asked above00:02
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luke-jrTokz: FLAC is an Ogg format00:10
Tokzcouldnt find ogg-support00:10
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pupnikwow LBP2 is genius00:13
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piggzdid some kind of maemo update come out today?00:15
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pupnikbah there aren't any phones i'd rather buy than a n90000:20
pupnikstill .. nothing out there00:20
ds3pupnik: not even a Droid? ;)00:21
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pupniklooking at what's available for android, maemo is way more fun to me00:21
pupnikthe phone would have to be much better hardwarewise00:21
pupnikat the same price00:21
* GAN900 facepalms00:22
pupniki've been using android for a month now GAN900 - on a tablet00:22
* GAN900 facepalms00:22
pupnikit's SO ANNOYING00:22
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pupniknot to mention unstable00:23
pupniknot to mention full of 99% pure shit for apps00:23
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GeneralAntilles1You'd thing people wouldn't be surprised by a thunderstorm in the lightning capital of the world.00:25
GeneralAntilles1pupnik: Android sucks.00:25
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pupnikit's kind of fun to have 'a little bit' of linux on the phone.  -- more fun for me than symbian00:26
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GeneralAntillesVery little bit, though.00:26
GeneralAntillesand the whole OS is just irritating.00:26
pupniki hope there's a 'slightly improved n900' soon00:27
GeneralAntillesAnything at all soon.00:27
GeneralAntillesOtherwise nobody will care anymore.00:27
pupnikwouldn't it be fun to have the exact same maemo5 on a new phone?00:27
pupnik40nm omap3 +  bigger screen and better speakers and bigger battery and better speakers?00:27
GeneralAntillesI'd take it.00:28
pupnikme too :)00:28
GeneralAntilles1GB of RAM00:28
keriohell yeah00:28
merlin1991and better speakers00:28
kerioand all for 19.99$00:28
merlin1991are you kidding me?00:28
merlin19919,99$ is the way to go00:28
pupniksure, per-week :)00:29
GeneralAntilleskerio: well, at that price, hell no.00:29
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pupnik2 year contract @ 9.99 per week would cover costs + operator wouldn't it00:29
pupnikfor people who can't save a bit of money00:30
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mceplif I bought N900 in US, but I use it in Czechia ... should I download US or Global firmware? Does anybody know?00:47
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pupniki have only used 'global'00:48
pupniki think it is safe to try whichever one you want00:49
mceplOK, let's go global. My soul is not limited to one place ;)00:51
ds3pupnik: so you would value software over the hardware?00:51
pupnikds3: i can wait for whatever nokia brings next00:51
pupnikthen buy a used n900 if it sucks00:52
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alteregoCan anyone remember where in London Nokia World was held last year?00:52
pupnikand with a spare battery, n900 is usable for 1 day00:53
pupnikbut i'd prefer a 40nm omap3 @ 1ghz, 4.5" screen and 2000mAh battery :D00:53
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alteregoI'd like compass, hdmi, 1080p decoding00:54
trxi am trying to translate a peace of code from C00:54
alteregoSo I can use it as a media PC for my TV00:54
trxQFont QtHeWrapper::showHeFontDialog(QWidget *parent, const QFont &defaultFont, const QString &dialogTitle) <-- what does & mean here?00:54
alteregotrx: it means "reference of"00:55
alteregoSo you pass in a real object, which it'll basically make it's own copy of.00:56
mceplhmm, flasher ends with00:56
mceplUSB device found found at bus 002, device address 008.00:56
mceplError claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy00:56
mceplany ideas?00:56
trxoh, that its, ty alterego00:56
alteregotrx: const before means it wont touch you object aswell.00:56
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trxthat explains it, i was confused by "const"00:58
trxty :)00:59
alteregothe cool thing about QString args as well, you can pass in a c string inplace.01:00
alteregoBecause it'll cast to QString and work as expected.01:00
alteregoSo: showHeFontDialog(this, QFont("fixed"), "some string");01:01
alteregoIs fine and you don't have to worry about memory management because those "objects" die when your function scope ends.01:01
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ieatlintactually those are fixed strings that sit on the stack methinks01:04
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alteregoieatlint: I meant QFont as an object, and that static c string gets cast to a QString, but you maybe right, I'm not an expert at these things. But he doesn't have to worry about memory management.01:05
ieatlintyeah, in that example, he doesn't01:07
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trxgood to know that too, ty again :)01:19
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MrBawbfixed strings are actually in a section called "text"01:49
MrBawbI don't really know much about C++, but I expect the temporary object created goes through the stack, like you said01:51
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alteregoMrBawb: yes, it's something like that ;)02:07
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ieatlintmy point is that all identical strings in c/c++, as compiled by gcc with standard optimisation, are the same string02:15
ieatlintif you have the string "blah" in 50 different places in your app, it doesn't take up 50x "blah", it takes up 1x "blah" ... same if you call a function that uses "blah" 50 times, it's the same string -- its memory address (on the stack) never changes02:16
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ieatlint(the relative point being that the memory used by the strings in the example remains on the stack for the duration of the program, and doesn't free or disappear)02:17
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alteregoieatlint: yes, we get that :)02:23
alteregoHe doesn't have to worry about those details though.02:24
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alteregoShould be ready for another Columbus weekly release either tomorrow or thursday.02:25
alteregoWith the nice new trips feature.02:25
alteregoAnd a few more features/enhancements and some bug fixes.02:26
alteregoI like the fact that I'm doing weekly releases, I also like the fact that my v1 roadmap/todo-list is no longer increasing at the same rate it's decreasing.02:27
alteregoNow it's actually going down :D02:27
alteregoAnyhow, bedtime, g'night folks.02:27
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jacekowskialterego: tell me when it will start using more than 50% of cpu and more than 128M of ram02:32
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MohammadAGmy device is hanging a lot03:02
kwtmHi. What is the latest opinion on Maemo PR 1.3? Any improvements/fixes since it came out, or would upgrading to 1.3 today be just the same as upgrading when it came out (I think) a few months ago?  If PR 1.2 is working okay, is it worthwhile upgrading?  If PR 1.2 is not working (3-5 second delays before responding to keypresses), does PR 1.3 fix it?03:02
kwtmOh no.  If MohammadAG's phone is hanging a lot, then mere mortals like me have no hope.03:03
MohammadAGand by hanging, I mean it stops responding all-in-all for a minute03:03
MohammadAGsecond actually lol03:03
MohammadAGkwtm, we'll be announcing PR1.3.3.7-1 soon03:04
wmaronePR1.3 solved my problem with the browser and IOwait killing the device03:04
MohammadAGyou have to be on 1.3 to install it03:04
wmaronemodest bug is still making things suck though03:04
MohammadAGwhich one?03:04
kwtmMohammadAG: Ah, so there will be a more recent version of 1.3 soon.  Okay, I'll wait.  Ohhh... I need 1.3 to upgrade to, then?  Is that a stable or a bleeding-edge type upgrade, the "...7-1"?03:05
wmaronethe one where it only actually pulls down new mail via pop3 after long, long intervals or connection changes03:05
wmaroneforcing an update doesn't work03:05
MohammadAGbleeding edge, but it's stable :P03:05
kwtmwmarone: Thanks for info.  May be worthwhile upgrading.  Did 1.3 introduce any new problems?03:05
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MohammadAGthis hanging thing seems to be a CPU problem :/03:05
wmaronekwtm: none that I've hit, probably some others have03:06
kwtmMohammadAG: Do I understand, then, that I do the usual Over-The-Air upgrade which gets me Just Plain 1.3, and then I manually upgrade to a more stable version, or is the Over The Air upgrade a more stable version than the first 1.3?03:06
pupniklol, android user can't see/copy videos from browser cache.  what a piece of crippleware03:06
kwtmwmarone: Good to know. Just for my info, do you use your N900 as a phone a lot, or mainly tablet computer + internet? I'm having phone stability issues (would love to blame it on PulseAudio).03:07
MohammadAGkwtm, is a community update03:07
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MohammadAGargh, gonna reboot03:07
kwtmMohammadAG: Understood.  Is there a 1.3.3, for example, that's Over The Air official from Nokia?03:07
kwtmMohammadAG: Will wait for reboot, since I value your advice.03:07
wmaronewmarone: I use it daily as my primary phone03:07
MohammadAGnope, 1.3 might be the last update03:07
MohammadAGfrom Nokia that is03:08
kwtmwmarone: Okay.03:08
kwtmI swear, this N900 drives me nuts sometimes.03:08
MohammadAGcharger isn't detected03:08
kwtmOn the one hand, there's nothing like it.  I'm glad it exists.03:08
kwtmOn the other hand, there's nothing like it.  I don't really have any alternative, and in some ways it sucks so much I wonder if someone went out of their way to make it suck.03:09
kwtmI'm just waiting for The Unannounced Samsung Linux Phone to come out so there's something else for me to buy. <sigh>03:09
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wmaronewell, if samsung tries on new devices what they tried to pull on Galaxy Tab owners, I'd avoid them like I avoid Motorola03:10
kwtmwmarone: What did they do for Galaxy Tab?  I thought the Galaxy S had an enthusiastic following but haven't followed news on the Galaxy Tab.  (Is that an iPad competitor?)03:11
wmaronethe tab is Samsung's tablet03:11
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wmaroneand they pushed out an update that changed the bootloader so it only booted a signed kernel03:12
wmaronefortunately the guys at xda-devs were able to fix it03:12
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kwtm!! Wait, they *pushed* an update?  Presumably it runs Android-for-Sheeple or that there was some way to set it up so you wouldn't get automated updates ...03:14
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wmaroneby "pushed" I mean "made available to users"03:15
wmaroneof course, they didn't tell anyone what they were doing in terms of the bootloader update03:15
kwtmAhh, one of those stealth updates, like "we fixed a bug in Internet Explorer --oops!, look, your computer no longer passes the This Copy Of Windows Isn't Pirated test!"03:16
kwtmWhat did Motorola do to you?  They don't have any Linux phones or even Android, do they?03:17
wmaronemotorola is not dead because of android03:17
wmaroneand on every device since the DROID, they have signed the bootloader and kernel03:18
kwtmOh. I guess you can see the big "I Don't Follow Android" stamped on my forehead.03:18
wmaroneso "ROMs" for the devices are nasty hacks that are limited to stuff compatible with the kernel on the device03:18
wmaroneI'm not a fan of Android but I watch what wireless hardware vendors do03:19
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kwtmI try to generally keep up with Android on Slashdot but haven't had much time lately.03:19
kwtmOh, wait, the Verizon Droid X is from Motorola, isn't it?  duhhh... I forgot.03:19
kwtmWhich provider do you use for the N900? (If that's what you have.)  I've been pleased with Tmobile --or at least they haven't pulled any bad stunts on me.03:20
kwtmAre they okay, AT&T?03:20
wmaronesure, no problems03:20
wmaroneno 3G service, but it's not that important to me03:21
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kwtmwill keep that in mind.  My N900 displays 3G on the bars, but I wonder if that actually means 3G service?  It will sometimes display "2.5G" and I'm sure there's no such thing.03:21
wmarone2.5G = EDGE03:21
wmarone3G means 3G service, but T-Mobile's coverage is weak so you end up on EDGE sometimes03:22
kwtmwmarone: I see.  So it's a quality of service thing --kinda like "number of bars indicator for data".03:22
wmaronenot really QoS, if you see 2.5G then you've got zero 3G signal03:23
wmaroneand are significantly slower data-wise03:23
kwtmOh.  Okay.  I wonder what I had before I got the N900?  I had a Palm Treo which doesn't indicate the type of service.  I thought EDGE was all I would get. I think I have one of those grandfathered unlimited internet plans.03:24
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jonwilMaking a bit of progress on the icd policy plugins, thankyou Nokia for the very nice and the documentation linked to by that page03:50
jonwilAnd for releasing an i386 package for icd that lets me use HexRays to reverse engineer the plugins :)03:51
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kwtmSounds interesting.  What is icd?03:56
kwtmWell, I have just speeded up my phone by about a bazillion times.03:56
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BCMMkwtm: is it on fire?03:57
kwtmBCMM: Feels like it.  About time, too.03:57
pupnikinteresting stuff jonwil03:57
kwtmI deleted about 2500 contacts.  Apparently this vaunted 32GB memory superphone can't handle too many contacts.  So I just whittled it down to under 100.03:57
jonwilicd is the internet connectivity daemon03:58
jonwilso the policy plugins should presumably be what controls which network it connects to and when03:58
kwtmNow I use Vim to dial my contacts, and keep my ContactsDB empty so every time the phone rings it doesn't have to sweep through the whole Contacts DB looking to see if there's any particular icon to display when a particular phone number is calling me.  <sigh>03:58
kwtmjonwil: Sounds interesting.  Will check it out.03:58
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kwtmSo, wmarone, we were talking about the PR 1.3 upgrade.  I think I'll hold off since the phone seems to be faster now.03:59
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wmaroneweird, but ok04:05
wmaronekwtm: it's got 32GB of internal memory, but that's all nonvolatile storage :)04:06
kwtmwmarone: Yeah ... and, *man*, does it love to use that nonvolatile storage for swapping!  Almost as if saying to me, "it's a slower type of memory --allow me to demonstrate!"04:09
kwtmOr, to be more specific, "allow me to demonstrate while that phone is ringing and you are waiting for the green button to show up on screen so you can answer the call!"04:09
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DocScrutinizer~lart ZyXEL04:28
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DocScrutinizerMe allows to demonstrate to kwtm. (just keep away of my flat)04:53
DocScrutinizerit's about time...04:54
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DocScrutinizerWTF, I'm not existing...04:55
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pupniklol android SUCKS05:01
pupnikgood lord does it suck05:01
mosheehi franz_05:02
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timelesshrm... i just got a skype call05:05
timelessbut the ring behavior was really strange05:05
timelessit sounded like my phone was on a dead line first, and then it rang for an instant and then it went away before i could pause my DVR and answer :(05:06
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lucentKilroo: why puzzlement?06:02
lucentalso, 32GB SD card?  wowzer06:03
Kilroolucent:  Because I'm trying to anticipate how I expect to want to use it.06:03
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lucentshoot I can't justify over $50 on a given uSD card06:04
lucentKilroo: what data do you keep on the card?06:05
KilrooSo far, none.06:05
lucentI'm into storing music on mine in FLAC format06:05
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lucentseveral 4 or 8GB cards, and I have Sansa Fuze players (several of those too)06:06
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SpeedEvilA microSD, with a price of over about $15, exceeds its price in gold.06:06
SpeedEvilof equal weight06:07
lucentyeah I spent about $17 on 8GB capacity uSD cards06:07
KilrooMy list of things I want to be able to do with it, ideally, so far includes: pop it out and let other people put stuff on it, either as a microSD or in a USB adapter, as one might use a flash drive; install nitdroid; eventually install a few other OSes for testing (Arch, Meego, etcetera); possibly try having some swap space on it.06:08
KilrooYeah, I have a few 8's too.06:09
lucentoh! Kilroo
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lucentbest little reader ever for sticking on a keyring and using microsd cards06:11
lucent$9 seems kind of high price though I got mine for $306:11
Kilroo...I already have miniSD, SD, and USB adapters...came with the Kingstons. The USB one isn't quite that neat a design but it's quite servicable.06:11
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pupnik  nice keyboard!06:35
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psycho_oreosthen again that's sharp and their legacy and now obsolete product.06:40
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wmaronestill a nice formfactor06:41
psycho_oreosprobably also patented too06:42
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SpeedEvilI keep pondering applying for a patent for 'A device to process signals from sensors ultimately employing one of strong, weak, electromagnetic, or gravitational forces, and to activate actuators based on these forces, with a logical element to perform computations in the middle'.06:45
pupnikmake the keyboard a bit narrower/smaller, without the side-bezels, and it would probably be thumb-typable06:46
psycho_oreosthat suggestion should be directed at nokia :)06:47
psycho_oreosand see if they listen *snickers*06:48
psycho_oreos*shrugs* afterall they're responsible for how the product should respond, what it should look like, how it should feel etc.06:50
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Sazpaimonso, I was able to build gnash on the SDK, including the browser plugin, but it doesn't seem to work..07:03
Sazpaimonthe browser shows the gnash plugin as loaded, but videos seem to not want to show up...07:03
psycho_oreosprobably some other plugin interfering with the same extension/file type07:07
Sazpaimonpsycho_oreos, nope, only the gnash plugin is loaded07:07
Sazpaimoni also can only seem to load a couple flashes in gtk-gnash07:07
Sazpaimonvery simple ones07:08
Sazpaimonyoutube won't properly show up, neither will adobe's own flash diagnostic07:08
Sazpaimonlet me try in fennec just to be 100% sure07:08
psycho_oreosthe it might be the issue with gnash plugin07:08
Sazpaimonpossibly, I'll try running gnash in the ubuntu environment to test07:08
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: then it might be the issue with gnash plugin07:09
SazpaimonI'm installing firefox and gnash on ubuntu now07:09
psycho_oreoshmm can't gnash play some locally hosted file for verification07:09
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Sazpaimonpsycho_oreos, yep, it won't show a couple files i tested07:10
Termanagood morning07:10
Sazpaimoni build the gtk-gnash executable, only 1 file so far works07:10
Sazpaimonand it's a very very simple file07:10
pupnikSWEET. 40 minutes of gimp editing and it crashes07:10
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psycho_oreosSazpaimon: weird07:10
pupniknice, no temp saves either07:11
psycho_oreosSazpaimon: cross compiled?07:11
psycho_oreosTermana: good arvo07:11
Sazpaimonpsycho_oreos, no, it's the i386 build07:11
Sazpaimoniirc you can't run the N900 environment on arm07:11
psycho_oreosSazpaimon: umm on N900?07:12
Sazpaimoni don't have an N900 handy as of yet07:12
psycho_oreosN900 runs on arm07:12
Sazpaimonno, I mean on sbox07:12
SazpaimonI'm currently running on the emulator07:12
psycho_oreossbox emulator?07:13
Sazpaimonon the SDK07:13
psycho_oreosI'll assume its sbox, if that's the case then probably other necessary deps are missing07:14
psycho_oreosI know sbox maemo gui is quite basic07:14
Sazpaimonwell I built it from the source, and only omitted the KDE deps07:14
Sazpaimonlet me try fennec now07:15
psycho_oreoswell I'm not sure how gnash works07:16
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SazpaimonI don't know its inner workings either07:17
Sazpaimoni just know it supports a decent subset of flash 9, and a bit of flash 1007:17
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psycho_oreosthen again maemo supports predominantly flash 9 with some hacks to fake its version as flash 1007:18
Sazpaimonlast i heard it doesnt support hulu07:18
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psycho_oreosprobably because hulu actually requires flash 10 or newer07:19
Sazpaimonthen again i never had much luck with hulu on gnash07:19
Sazpaimonbut i heard it CAN be made to work07:19
psycho_oreosagain not that I know. I don't live in stateside07:20
Sazpaimonand if we can get an alternative to adobe's flash on maemo, I think it would be worth it07:20
psycho_oreosit might ;)07:20
Sazpaimonof course mozilla doenst have x86 versions of fennec for maemo07:20
psycho_oreosproblem is the only I know it is via that ti method07:21
RobbieThe1stSazpaimon: Wait a minute... I got Fennec running on x86 Ubuntu...07:21
SazpaimonRobbieThe1st, that doesn't help07:21
RobbieThe1stAnd that -had- to be an x86 version07:21
Sazpaimonit isnt for maemo though..07:22
psycho_oreoswell it'll be for maemo scratchbox sdk as the real maemo are arm based not i38607:22
Sazpaimonyeah but most maemo packages are available in both x86 and arm07:22
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psycho_oreossome not all and most likely not most07:23
RobbieThe1stAre you sure you can't run the standard x86 Fennec version in the Scratchbox if you -really- need it?07:24
RobbieThe1st..Or just do everything on the N900 itself?07:25
psycho_oreoshe doesn't own n900 yet07:25
psycho_oreosand he probably could but again the simulations may not really reflect on what actually happens on N90007:27
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RobbieThe1stThat's pretty much for sute07:27
RobbieThe1stN900 works -far- nicer than any simulation I've seen, and actually -works- most of the time.07:28
psycho_oreosmakes not owning N900 quite moot :)07:28
RobbieThe1stJust buy one. I think someone was selling a used one for $200 in the forum recently.07:28
dm8tbrsimulations never are like the real device...07:29
* dm8tbr bought his for 230€ in like new condition, came with second battery07:29
psycho_oreosyou should tell that to Sazpaimon. not me :)07:29
* psycho_oreos is typing on irssi via N900 :))07:30
Sazpaimonlooks like gnash doenst load the same videos on ubuntu either..07:30
* dm8tbr does that too at times, what sucks though is that if the ssh connection dies while a remote screen was open the enter key stops working in the x terminal07:30
Sazpaimonweird, i remember it having decent compatability07:30
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psycho_oreoswell there you go... I think07:31
Sazpaimoni tried loading a random game (vvvvvv.swf) and it just gave me a black screen07:31
Sazpaimoni distinctly remember it working too07:31
Sazpaimonmaybe the gnash devs broke something down the line07:31
Sazpaimonswfdec gives me the same result07:31
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RobbieThe1stSazpaimon: I'm still not sure why you're worried - N900's built-in flash works nicely, and with a patch can be made to run Youtube videos perfectly well.07:34
RobbieThe1stI haven't run into anything that I -needed- flash 10 for, but I haven't done -that- much video stuff on my n90007:35
SazpaimonRobbieThe1st, was hoping to use a free alternative instead of depending on a proprietary addon that won't be updated in the future07:35
RobbieThe1stIt's a good idea, but honestly in -this- case... It's better to go with the -working- alternative - You'll probably not be able to do very much with even a good OSS version; the Adobe plugin is at least optimized.07:37
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RobbieThe1stAnd even -it- has a hard time with complex flash files.07:37
RobbieThe1st(even at 1ghz)07:37
psycho_oreosthen again its better than nothing07:37
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RobbieThe1stThat it is. I'm able to play nice animations with little to no studdering at 20fps or so; 360p youtube videos play right... What more could you ask for?07:39
Sazpaimonwell gnash on firefox on actual linux loads youtube fine07:39
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Sazpaimoneven loads the current player with video resolution controls07:39
Sazpaimonthen again i have no idea if the flash 9 plugin on maemo does the same07:40
RobbieThe1stI can tell you it does07:40
RobbieThe1st(note that I've used flash-switcher to make it appear as flash 10, IIRC)07:40
RobbieThe1stHeck, let me take a pic. Got a video you want me to test for you?07:41
Sazpaimonnah, i believe you07:41
Sazpaimonflash 9 supports HD video, so i'd assume it works07:41
Sazpaimonat any rate, I'll keep messing with it07:42
Sazpaimonjust for kicks07:42
RobbieThe1stOne thing I -will- say though... Adding a flash-blocker(click-to-play for flash files) -really- improved browser performance on any site that's got flash ads.07:42
RobbieThe1stIt often feels just as fast as a nice Desktop.07:43
Sazpaimon(i wonder if porting gnash would be more suited for the symbian community)07:43
Sazpaimonthey're definately got a raw deal with only flash lite support07:44
Sazpaimonthen again as you mentioned gnash isn't very optimized, so it might crawl on anything but, say, an N807:45
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RobbieThe1stLast I tried, it crawled on my 3.2ghz quad-core desktop <_<07:45
RobbieThe1stAnd that was only a few months ago07:45
Sazpaimonwhat, gnash?07:46
RobbieThe1stYea; for animations.07:46
Sazpaimoni've never bothered to benchmark it, myself07:46
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Sazpaimoni do know that the version of gnash in most "stable" repositories is quite old07:46
RobbieThe1stWell, when it slows down to ~10fps, and the animation goes out of sync..07:46
RobbieThe1stLets see... I've got 0.8.807:47
pupnikor we could beat up people who creat flash content with pipes07:47
ebzzryForgive my ignorance, but where does MicroB store its cache files when viewing flash videos?07:47
franz_ebzzry: /home/user/.adobe/Flash_Player/ subfolders07:48
ebzzryfranz_: Thanks07:48
pupniknote that under Maemo you can access that, and under android you can NOT07:48
franz_note that it is fairly good in managing the cache without wasting space, so you're probably not going to find much there07:49
ebzzryfranz_: In what ways?07:49
RobbieThe1stThe -real- problem with Gnash over flash is that when it can't render fast enough, Flash drops frames. Gnash doesn't seem to - scenes with lots of stuff go really slowly, and scenes with less end up going several times normal speed to make up.07:50
franz_it gets rid of the cache fast07:50
RobbieThe1stIt looks -very- odd07:50
ebzzryfranz_: If I load a 10-minute video with MicroB, is the whole length of the video still contained in there?07:50
SazpaimonRobbieThe1st, 0.8.8 is indeed the latest version, so I've got nothing07:50
RobbieThe1stHuh. Must have come from my Debian Experimental/Unstable repositories..07:51
Sazpaimonanyway, that was a fun little experiment07:51
Sazpaimonit's probably all for naught if meego phones run on an atom though, since i guess then people can just use the regular old flash 10 plugin07:52
wmaronesome might07:52
wmaronemany won't, I imagine07:52
RobbieThe1stThat would be interesting..07:52
RobbieThe1stI'm hoping for some Meego phones stick with ARM, though - It keeps Windows and windows-related crap out.07:53
Sazpaimonwhat does x86 have to do with windows?07:54
RobbieThe1st99% of current Windows software runs on x86. How much runs on ARM?07:54
Sazpaimonyou could make that same argument about mac os07:54
wmaronex86 doesn't necessarily mean windows compatible though07:54
RobbieThe1stAnd you just -know- that Wine will be popular if we've got an x86-compatible processor to work from07:55
Sazpaimonwhat I'm more concerned about is how nokia would make a compability layer for binary programs07:55
Sazpaimonbecause not everyone is going to want to use qt07:55
RobbieThe1st@OSX: Ah, and we have Crossover Mac for a reason, don't we?07:55
wmaroneSazpaimon: if they don't use Qt then Nokia won't have their apps in the store07:56
RST38hAh, I see trolls!07:56
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RobbieThe1stThat is something that's going to be interesting - I'm curious as to whether Meego will stay open, or will be locked down like other OSs have been... I suppose it'll depend on the device.07:56
wmaroneit will definitely depend on the vendor07:57
RobbieThe1stIf it's open, it doesn't matter what Nokia wants; People will just make their own sites and load what they want.07:57
psycho_oreoscurrent mac os namely macosx runs on x86 which makes your point worthless07:57
wmaronewhich is why meego is already planning a "surrounds" and "extras" repo that will be compatible07:57
Sazpaimonwmarone, does nokia expect that anything can be made with qt?07:58
wmaroneSazpaimon: are you saying nothing can be made with it? Or do you have some other argument against it?07:59
Sazpaimonno argument against it, I'm just wondering if it can be used for absolutely any program you can imagine07:59
RobbieThe1stI think that between QT and OpenGL-ES, you can probably do anything you need08:00
wmaroneunless you're messing with hardware-specific things08:00
wmaroneand even then, you can still do it in Qt but lose hardware independence08:00
SazpaimonI'm just wondering how programs like emulators would work08:00
wmaronelike they do now08:01
Sazpaimonthose usually have some ASM in them for optimization purposes, dont they?08:01
Sazpaimonso how would they work on both an intel and ARM meego device08:01
RobbieThe1stYou'd need to recompile for each, probably08:01
wmaronethat's -your- problem ;)08:01
Sazpaimonoh boy, universal binaries all over again!08:01
RobbieThe1stLook at what happens now with the extras-devel repo: It builds multiple versions at once08:02
wmaroneSazpaimon: no, you'll need to have an #ifdef that switches when you switch targets08:02
wmaroneif you can't do that, what are you doing writing software?08:02
Sazpaimonit's not that easy with code that uses assembly08:03
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Sazpaimondevelopers would need to re-write their code for the ASM/x86 instruction set08:03
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RobbieThe1stSazpaimon: Look very closely at Dosbox for an example08:04
wmaroneso you set your code up smartly and make sure the assembly bits can be swapped out at compile time08:04
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RobbieThe1stIt runs on any platform you can think of, more or less.08:04
RobbieThe1stIt's running on the N900(arm), on x86, x86_64...
Sazpaimoni thought dosbox uses mainly C++ for it's emulation, and not assembly08:05
Sazpaimonso it can be targeted for different devices easily08:05
RobbieThe1stWell, it seems to be fast enough to do the job?08:05
wmaroneSazpaimon: maybe you want to take a look at all the PSX emulators that are available on the N90008:05
wmaroneI'm sure most of those are ported from x86 targets08:05
Sazpaimonagain, they probably don't use asm for their emulation core08:06
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wmaroneSazpaimon: well, won't know unless you look08:06
wmaroneand then you have to ask if the lack of assembly is a performance hit08:07
wmaroneif not, who cares08:07
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Sazpaimoni believe it can be, depending on the hardware08:07
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Sazpaimonit's probably more of a moot point nowadays with phones surpassing 1Ghz08:07
wmaronebut that just means you're going to have to take into account the cross platform nature of your target08:08
Sazpaimoni can think of one example where ASM improves performance on "slower" devices08:09
Sazpaimonpicodrive, that uses ARM ASM for it's emulation core, and runs very fast on most devices08:10
wmaronewon't argue that08:10
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RobbieThe1stSo creating two sets of ASM is -that- hard? Sure, it'll be harder than one, but I'd bet the rest of the application would take longer.08:11
SazpaimonRobbieThe1st, the differences between the ARM and x86 instruction set is pretty vast08:11
wmaroneSazpaimon: not really relevant, you can make the changes completely transparent to upper layers of code if you do it right08:12
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RobbieThe1stYes, but I'm just saying that the total time taken to write the asm can't be as hard as designing the whole rest of the program..08:13
Sazpaimonwhen something like the emulation is the core of your program, yes it is08:14
wmaroneSazpaimon: have you written an emulator before?08:14
ShadowJKWhere it would matter is video, where you have to use the dsp+iva anwyway, the dsp is painful with substandard tools, the iva is secret and you'd probably get sued for using it08:14
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Sazpaimonwmarone, I have not, but I understand the process of creating an emulation core08:15
wmaroneand you saw the javascript gameboy emulator, right?08:15
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Sazpaimonwmarone, yeah, fancy piece of code, that08:16
franz_the argument here is giving up performance for convenience08:16
franz_undesirable, in my opinion08:16
wmaroneeh, he doesn't have to give up performance for convenience08:17
Sazpaimonbut the instructuion set of an 8-bit LR35902 cpu is a lot less complex than that of, say a 16 bit motorola 6800008:17
wmaronehe just has to be aware of his targets and what is necessary to make it work08:17
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franz_even if it *does* work, as you said, if it's fast enough08:17
franz_in a mobile device there's lots of things to encourage better performance, like battery life and stuff08:18
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wmaronebut when playing a game you'll probably burn more battery on the display08:18
psycho_oreosrisc vs cisc?08:18
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franz_what if you could turn off the display and use tv-out?08:19
franz_not saying that's something that will impact much, but it is not a non-issue either08:19
RobbieThe1stProbably a better idea would be to just get a charger if you intend to play a game for hours on end...08:19
wmaronefranz_: save a bit of power08:19
RobbieThe1stI mean, currently, you can get about 2 hours of work at max brightness/max CPU load with the N900. That's enough for most things. If you need more, you're probably by -some- sort of power.08:20
wmaroneif you're at max cpu load for 2 hours, I'd start worrying about your device surviving08:21
Sazpaimona sega genesis emulatior shouldn't have to use max cpu load though08:22
Sazpaimonif it's optimized to the fullest extent08:22
wmaronesure, but you won't get that with assembly alone08:22
Sazpaimonno, but you'll get further away from it using C++08:22
wmaronenot really08:23
wmaronebut this is all beside the point08:24
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wmaroneif you want to leverage assembly to get the most out of your code08:24
wmaronethen you'll need to abstract it from the rest properly08:24
RobbieThe1stEh, I've run mine for over 2 hours under max load more than once, at 950mhz. That's about where it starts getting warm over time.08:24
Sazpaimoni kind of lost the point somewhere down the line08:24
wmaroneand create an ARM and x86 version08:24
wmaronethere are no "universal binaries" in Linux08:25
Sazpaimonin the end i think if a developer decides to target to meego he'll probably opt against using processor-specific code08:25
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wmaroneundoubtedly, as it won't be necessary for the vast majority of programs08:25
wmaronemost will be happy to stay in the world as Qt presents it08:26
wmaroneothers will leverage the additional APIs made available by MeeGo08:26
wmaroneand the rest of the weirdos will go into Extras08:26
Sazpaimonwmarone, there's some support for fat binaries in linux08:26
Sazpaimonnot a great deal, but it's there08:26
RobbieThe1stHm... Personally, I'm hoping to see a lot of Meego apps being able to be run easily on traditional Desktop Linux, possibly with a few extra libraries.08:26
wmaroneSazpaimon: all of which was rejected from the kernel08:26
Sazpaimonyeah, it probably wont ever happen08:26
wmaroneit's only a problem for closed source software08:27
wmaroneand sorting that out is the vendor's problem08:27
RobbieThe1stAnd that's a -good- thing, IMHO.08:28
Sazpaimonon an absolutely unrelated and completely off topic note, i seem to have been invaded by gnats08:29
Sazpaimondespite me having a pretty clean house08:29
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mceplHi, I am getting dreaded "Suitable USB device not found, waiting.08:37
mceplUnable to enumerate USB devices!" message when trying to flash N900. Using Fedora Rawhide, so advices about "upgrade your distribution" are off, I guess (and yes, it is fully upgraded).08:37
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mcepland yes I did mount usbfs and yes I modprobe -r cdc_phonenet08:39
mceplOh, ...08:39
mceplnot following the HOWTO helped!08:39
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psycho_oreostried livecd/livedvd/liveusb?08:41
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mceplno, I have just rerun flasher after it failed (with N900 in flashing mode) and it caught USB just fine.08:42
pupniki read "and it caught USB just fire"08:42
pupnikmomentary image of burning device08:43
franz_lp0 on fire08:43
psycho_oreoslp0 is on fire!08:43
mcepland my phone is a virgin again! She doesn't know what I am talking about.08:45
mceplit even looks like some data were saved08:46
wmaroneif you don't reflash the eMMC then you shouldn't lose any data08:46
mceplwell, SOME are gone08:48
mcepl(it doesn't remember WiFi connections, for example, and configuration of desktops is gone)08:48
mcepltrying to restore  backups now08:49
pupnikthey should start advertising capacitative gloves in stores08:51
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pupnikwhy does everything designed in china/taiwan look 25 years out of date?09:08
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mcepldoes full restore recovers also repository settings (I hate writing long URLs on N900 keyboard)?09:09
johnxmcepl, I think it should09:11
johnxhmm, don't honestly remember though ...09:11
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mceplit doesn't :(09:12
johnxwhich repositories?09:12
mceplextras-testing, extras-devel, firefox09:14
johnxfirefox has a .install file I think09:14
johnxextras-testing and -devel used to have .install buttons, but I can't find them now ...09:14
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mceplyeah, that's true09:15
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johnxsooo, if you *really* hate typing on the N900 keyboard, you could make yourself a .install file09:19
johnxJust grab a .install from on your desktop, modify it to point to the info for extras-devel or extras-testing remove the 'package =' line and copy it your N90009:20
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pupniknice answer johnx !09:24
johnxdid there used to be .install files for -testing and -devel or am I going crazy? maybe that was for OS200(7|8)?09:25
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* jonwil is making progress on cloning the ICD policy plugins.10:58
jonwilIf I could just figure out what compile options Nokia are likely to have used...10:59
jonwilI think I need an optomization flag but I dont know which one10:59
RobbieThe1stGood work!11:01
jonwil-O2 seems to be the standard11:01
psycho_oreosmaybe hack up a script for each and every possible optimisation flags available to be compiled and make it automatically do a diff on the compiled output against the precompiled binary? ;)11:02
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jonwildefinatly -O211:04
jonwilThe simplest of the plugins (icd_policy_add) looks correct now11:04
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jonwilThe ASM instructions are identical11:06
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psycho_oreosI think its inter connecting daemon11:19
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jonwilyeah internet connectivity daemon11:19
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keriooh, that crap11:19
kerioi see11:19
psycho_oreoswell there you go, straight from the horse's mouth11:19
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jonwilthe point is that by working with the ICD policy plugins (e.g. writing a new one or modifying existing ones) you should be able to influence the network selection order. e.g. favoring certain WiFi networks over other ones11:33
jonwilHence the wish to make 1:1 clones of the existing plugins11:33
jonwilicd_policy_one is done now11:34
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Ex-OpesaHow to have 6 number of status bar lines? Scrolling status bar is not some thing very good. :)11:42
psycho_oreosthat might require some hacking into the source of hildon-status-bar I suppose11:44
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psycho_oreoshave you tried looking at the source? :)11:52
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Ex-OpesaNo. =D11:59
Ex-OpesaI am not a coder, just graphic designer.12:00
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johnxEx-Opesa, always a good time to start ;)12:02
Ex-Opesajohnx, hehe. =)12:03
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jonwilC is not complicated to learn :)12:17
trx2no lang is complicated to learn12:18
trx2exept asm which is just plain boring :/12:18
johnxand some of the purposefully complicated ones12:18
johnxlike brainf**k12:18
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trx2anyways, is there a way i can connect n900 to computer via mass storage mode and make it read only?12:19
johnxsure, connect it, then on the computer (on linux at least) mount -o remount,ro /mnt/n90012:20
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johnxor wherever it mounted12:20
johnxshould work on mac too12:20
jonwilIs it true that my N900 can recieve FM radio?12:20
jonwilWhat do I need to install to make it work?12:21
trx2i meant from the n900 side?12:21
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johnxneed an app and you need to have headphones plugged into act as the antenna12:21
psycho_oreosthere's program for that but you still need headphone plugged into headphone jack12:21
trx2because of win viruses which copy them self to usb sticks12:21
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psycho_oreostrx2, doubt it, the partition becomes invisible to maemo once it goes into mass storage mode12:21
johnxtrx2, try lsmod, and find the module responsible for exporting to usb12:21
johnxthen run modinfo on it12:21
johnxit might tell you if you can force read-only mode12:22
psycho_oreosjonwil, its called "FM radio", it relies on broadcom's bluetooth as FM receiver12:22
trx2ill try that, ty12:22
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jonwilso if I plug the headphones that came with my N900 into the jack and install the FM radio app from the repos, I can get FM out of my phone speakers?12:23
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johnxtrx2, modinfo g_file_storage | grep 'ro:'12:24
johnxjonwil, yup. I think the app lets you select headphone output or speaker output12:24
jonwilok, great12:24
johnx(though emphasis on *i think* :) )12:25
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]the new cfm radio app allows it too. a lot better sound12:28
jonwilfound it, installing now12:28
psycho_oreosjonwil, it'll also start bluetooth as a result12:29
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jonwilthe one I am installing is called "FM Radio Player"12:29
psycho_oreosyeah that's the standard one, I have that as well, there's issues with trying to set stations.. I've been looking into ways of dealing with it from command line but to no avail it ignores the contents12:30
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]i noted more stuttering when switching tasks with that one. cfm radio is more lightweight and no stutter12:31
psycho_oreos[DrkGUNMAN-N900], got a link for that cfm radio app?12:31
jonwilIts surprising how many phones have that same Broadcomm Bluetooth/FM chip and dont support the FM part12:31
trx2johnx nice, ty12:32
trx2one last question tho, how do i set that to true? :)12:32
johnxtrx2, was trying to find that for a bit12:32
psycho_oreosmodinfo g_file_storage12:33
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psycho_oreosit seems like you'll need to use modprobe alias? *shrugs*12:33
johnxI think a script might load that module12:33
johnxeither at boot or when plugging in usb12:33
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]its in the extras-devel repo.
johnxjust got to find it12:33
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johnxor you can set an option in /etc/modprobe.d/somefile12:33
psycho_oreos[DrkGUNMAN-N900], ta, looking at it12:34
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jonwilok, this seems to be working. Its even telling me the name of the song somehow12:34
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johnxtrx2, loaded in /etc/init.d/ke-recv12:34
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johnxso two steps here: 1) back up all your data 2) edit the script :)12:35
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trx2good idea :)12:35
psycho_oreosjonwil, yeah that uses the RDP, not all FM radio stations have that and it also depends on the reception quality as well12:35
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jonwilThanks for the help guys, tonight I am going to a big fireworks display (its Australia Day) and they play radio stuff alongside the fireworks on a particular station. And with my N900, I can tune in without having to hope someone next to me has a radio loud enough to hear :)12:37
psycho_oreosheh Aussie day is almost over too :p12:38
jonwilits only 6:30 here in the west12:39
psycho_oreosdamn two hours behind me lol12:39
jonwilbetter make a move and grab a bus into town for the fireworks :)12:40
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jacekowskii have one aussie here12:41
jacekowskiand he's an idiot12:41
psycho_oreosor hang a big Aussie flag on yer ute and drive that around :D I saw someone doing that a few hours ago12:41
jacekowskiand he's only aussie i know12:41
jonwilI dont have a UTE :P12:41
jacekowskiso therefore 100% of aussies i know are idiots12:41
psycho_oreosjonwil, lol shame ;)12:42
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jonwillater tonight or tomorrow I continue work on the ICD policy plugins.12:42
johnxjacekowski, maybe that says something about you :>12:42
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jacekowskiand from that i can extrapolate onto whole aussie population12:42
psycho_oreosjacekowski, well stereotyping working into yer head eh? :)12:42
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jacekowskithere was couple cute girls from australia12:42
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johnxgah. why am I still awake12:47
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psycho_oreosyou were sucked into the IRC hype ;)12:47
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johnxI think it has something to do with believing myself when I say "This should only take another couple minutes ..."12:48
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Ex-OpesaHow to get the n900's keyboard layout work with dosbox?13:02
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pupnikEx-Opesa: see the thread on on the subject13:04
Ex-Opesapupnik: I am doing that already. Its a 16 page thread, reading and reading. ^13:05
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pupnikthat might be the issue you have13:06
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Ex-Opesapupnik; I missed that one. and its #26, dang. Thanks. I will copy that file on my device now.13:11
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pupnikalmost deserves its own thread just to be more findable13:14
Ex-Opesapupnik: Thanks the numbers work fine. =)13:15
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Ex-Opesapupnik: I guess we can add "keyb rover.sys us" in dosbox's config file to automate things right?13:16
Ex-Opesapupnik: okay it works. Everything is fine.13:18
pupnik:) thanks to javispedro13:18
pupnikhe spent the time to create that keyboard map13:18
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Ex-OpesaIndeed. =)13:21
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Ex-OpesaIs there any NX Client available for n900?13:58
ZogGfrals, i found out i can manage more than 10% discount on nice hotel if you come, so talk to me before you come13:58
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wjtdoes anyone know who actually checks the planet@ email address?14:04
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JaffaAnyone know where HAM's app_install_updates button image is held?14:17
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JaffaGot it.14:18
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JaffaX-Fade: andre__: is 500 Server erroring....14:26
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X-FadeJaffa: Checking.14:27
andre__I asked Ferenc to apply one patch, but that's very likely not the problem :-P14:27
V13(famous last words)14:28
JaffaSure ;-)14:29
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V13are there python opengl bindings for maemo ?14:30
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X-Fadeandre__: I think it is.14:30
V13(not it shows a trace "software error" of perl cgi scripts14:31
V13(not == now)14:31
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V13(ok it's back)14:33
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andre__X-Fade, hmm14:37
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andre__X-Fade, shall I forward the patch to you, or something?14:38
X-Fadeandre__: Nah, ferenc has is covered I guess.14:39
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* MohammadAG waves15:13
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alteregoHey MohammadAG15:15
* alterego writes another list delegate.15:15
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MohammadAGhey alterego15:32
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alteregoModel view stuff is so much nicer in Qt than Gtk15:38
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alteregoStarting to get a sense of accomplishment now Columbus is kind of where I intended it to be.15:42
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BCMMalterego: which is?15:43
BCMMi mean, what does it do now?15:43
alteregoThe same it always did.15:43
BCMMok, what does it do then?15:43
alteregoThough with the added trips feature it's a lot more usable.15:44
alteregoIt tries to be a handheld GPS in a similar way to a Garmin15:44
BCMMhmmm i might have a look, thanks15:44
alteregoBut it also has nice features for streaming NMEA over bluetooth, or act as a usb serial device, can also stream over network.15:44
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alteregoThink I'll move "Options" into "Tools" as having more than 4 menu items annoys me.15:46
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TsuyoIs there an Ovi Suite equavilant for Linux?15:51
TsuyoAs far as i see, Ovi Suite doesn't provide a Linux version.15:51
chxLinux, what's this "Linux" thing you talk about, noone uses Linux.15:52
TsuyoSeriously. You don't have to treat me as an idiot.15:52
chxi am typing this from Kubuntu :)15:52
TsuyoArch here.15:53
chxIn reality, if you put youself in Nokia's shoes, they will *think* the same15:53
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TsuyoI liked the Music Library in the Ovi Suite. Easy managing of my music library too.15:53
chxwhat they did not realize is that the N900 is a Linux computer and a TON of them will go to Linux people like me who couldnt wait to have Linux in their respective pockets.15:53
alteregoTsuyo: is there something specifically yo uwant from Ovi?15:53
alteregochx: they did realise that.15:54
chxalterego: uh rly?15:54
alteregoIn fact we were always the target audience up until the N90015:54
Tsuyochx: This. alterego: Yeah, the music and the contact syncing stuff15:54
alteregoTsuyo: Well, contact syncing you can use open sync with a bit of playing15:54
TsuyoI don't get it. Nokia had a gread idea, and is destroying it again.15:54
TsuyoI'll check out open sync.15:55
GAN900Tsuyo, that's what they do.15:55
alteregoand Music management, I've not used that in Ovi Suite so I don't know what it's like, but maybe something like rhythmbox?15:55
Tsuyorhythmbox would be great, yes.15:55
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alteregotbh, I've not used Ovi Suite ;)15:56
alteregoNot with the N900 anyway15:56
TsuyoI don't want to boot windows, just to update my phone.15:56
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piggzTsuyo: amarok is also pretty clever when syncing music to devices15:57
alteregopiggz: yeah, amarok if you're using KDE :)15:57
piggz(he says while listening to music in bangarang ;)15:57
Tsuyoxfce4 here. Don't want to download the whole KDE stuff :<15:57
alteregoI should have a go with rhythmbox and the N900 myself actually ..15:57
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TsuyoI think this entry will help:
alteregoThing is, I generally use sftp integration in gnome to copy stuff to/from the device.15:59
alteregoIt only gets used in mass storage mode when I'm plugging it into my TV to watch a movie or something that's been recorded on there.15:59
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BCMMsame, but with konqueror16:00
piggzsame but with dolphin :)16:01
BCMM(if you're doing that and haven't set up SSH keys to do it passwordlessly, do so)16:01
TsuyoOne negative point at the n900 is: MKV.16:01
TsuyoThere are external decoders, but these are not hardware supported.16:01
TsuyoAlso, it can just play videos under the size of the lcd16:02
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piggzwell, i dont use it much for video, that why i have a 40"tv and pch ;)16:03
TsuyoI neither have a 40" nor some kind of DVD Player or a external drive for that.16:05
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TsuyoI thought connecting the n900 to my device would replace some kind of these things16:05
RST38hwell. moo.16:05
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alteregoThis is why I was saying I only use it in mass storage mode when it's plugged into my TV, because me TV plays media from USB drives.16:07
alteregoIt's not using the AV out cable ;)16:07
alteregoSo I get whatever resolution the video file is in.16:07
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TsuyoI think i'm going to buy some kind of a player that can read USB16:10
alteregoTsuyo: do you have a games console? :)16:10
alteregoMy xbox does it as well.16:10
TsuyoI still bet on my PC ;)16:10
TsuyoSince i still have one of these big TV's a new console wouldnt make any sence16:10
alteregoThere are some really cool, and reasonibly priced devices that plug into your HDMI port and have USB ports, ethernet, internal harddrives, all sorts of wicked features.16:11
piggzTsuyo: depending on how mush u want to spend, you can get a pch clone for ~£10016:11
alteregoHeh, well, if your TV isn't HD, then you might as well use AV if the N900 can cope with it.16:11
alteregoTsuyo: check this:
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alteregoTsuyo: that has HDMI out,  _and_ svideo16:12
TsuyoPhew. I think buying an XBox and install some kind of modded firmware, would be cheaper16:12
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alteregoSo it'll work with older TVs16:12
alteregoThe quality isn't superb though.16:13
alteregoIt claims to handle 720p video well at least.16:13
TsuyoAfter finishing my school and getting some kind of job, i will buy a HD-TV though.16:13
piggzwhat i use
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TsuyoDoes it play mkv files? How about subtitles?16:14
alteregoTsuyo: for a bit more this is really good:
alteregoThat says it plays full HD mkv files16:14
alteregoAnd outputs 1080p16:14
alteregoSo it'll be good even on a nice new HDTV (if you get one that can't do it in the future) :)16:15
piggzas does the egreat, but it is also networked and can stream from smb or upnp, shoutcast and a load of other web services16:15
TsuyoSounds great. I probably get this thing in germany a bit cheaper.16:15
alteregopiggz: and how much is that? :)16:16
alteregoThis is 50 quid16:16
alteregoA bleeding bargain :D16:16
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piggzso, not bad really16:16
alteregoI suppose not.16:16
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alteregoI think I'll get that for myself for my birthday ..16:17
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Tsuyothis thing is called "Xenta Full HD MKV Media Player " ?16:17
Tsuyoeven google shopping doesn't know this thing16:17
alteregoTsuyo: yeah16:17
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piggzi find hd movies need to be on a local drive, streaming hd over my network mostly works, but whenever 'water' is in the scene the netowrk cant handle it16:17
alteregoSearch for: "Xenta RCA L10016:18
piggzalterego: if you do, you will want to find the 'cross-flash' firmware from last year, then you can upgrade to the latest pch-A110 firmware16:18
alteregoI was talking about the Xenta box16:18
alteregoI've already got a media PC that does network streaming.16:19
piggzfair enough, cheap-skate :P16:19
alteregoWell, it's kind of for my girlfriend, she can't work out how to use my media PC, so having this would mean she can just plugin a USB harddrive and she'd be set.16:19
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alteregoShe can't even work out how to use the xbox to play videos, even though I've shown her about twenty times.16:20
piggzyeah, ive recommended similar things for friends16:20
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piggzyou can get a full hd usb >hdmi for £2016:20
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TsuyoSorry, pc freeze :D16:22
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TsuyoSo, Google doesnt find "Xenta rca l100"16:24
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ShadowJKfennec is kinda cool, but I scream "Noooooooooo!" when I see the landacape-> portraitanimation when I've accidentally not held my n900 straight16:45
ShadowJKscram because I know it'll be 4 minutes until fennec starts responding again16:45
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alteregoHrm, dee hrm dee hrm ..16:56
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MohammadAGalterego, I just tested columbus for the first time properly17:20
MohammadAGit's awesome!17:20
alteregoWhich version?17:20
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alteregoThe (slightly) broken one in -devel? (0.9.3)17:21
MohammadAGnot sure, but I'm in jordan and GPS works a lot better17:21
MohammadAGyeah, 0.9.3-117:21
alteregoCool :)17:21
alterego0.9.4 will be out sometime this week, hopefully tomorrow.17:21
alterego(I'm trying to do weekly updates as I'm on the sprint to V117:22
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Tsuyoalterego: Columbus?17:40
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alteregoTsuyo: yeah, it's one of my apps.17:41
TsuyoWhat does it do ?17:41
Tsuyoprobably written in ruby, right?17:42
alteregoNo, Qt/C++ :)17:42
TsuyoAh. Well, i thought it because of :p17:42
TsuyoWorking on my first app right now too17:42
alteregoWell, the domain is inspired by The Ruby Programming Language yes :)17:43
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alteregoMohammadAG: have you played with the waypoints? :)17:45
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alteregoThat version is about as useless as the previous versions as far as "navigation solution" is concerned, 0.9.4 has the facilities for storing and reloading trips/tracklogs, so it becomes a lot more usable in regards to being a handheld GPS receiver.17:46
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Tsuyoalterego: are you using the mobility package?17:46
alteregoTsuyo: indeed17:47
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TsuyoWich version? 1.1, 1.1beta?17:47
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Tsuyo1.0* : <17:47
alteregoI'm using pretty much every aspect of Qt tbh :D17:47
alteregoErm, the version for PR1.3 which I think is 1.0.117:48
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ThreeMsyncig runs pretty well, afaik17:48
alteregoThreeM: sygic doesn't do what mine does.17:48
TsuyoAh, well. Same here. I tryed installing the 1.1 version. But i just got problems with it -.-17:48
alteregoIt's not a mapping program.17:48
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ThreeMahh ok, im just reading the last few lines :)17:48
alterego(that's v2) *cough*17:49
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alteregotbh, I'm just writing the program because I want to do it :)17:49
edheldilalterego:  don't forget waypoint projection ;-)17:50
alteregoedheldil: ?17:51
piggzalterego: columbus is v beautiful..what do you use for the graphs?17:51
alteregopiggz: I draw them myself, they're all custom widgets.17:51
piggzalterego: im writing a gps app atm too, but not a patch on yours17:52
edheldilalterego:  I mean, implement the waypoint projection if you haven't already ...17:53
alteregoedheldil: what's waypoint projection?17:53
piggzit integrates with the everytrail web service to upload/download tracks17:53
alteregopiggz: neat :)17:53
edheldilit creates a waypoint or moves the current one specified distance in a specified direction. e.g. 20km in 130 degress17:56
edheldilalterego: what is the url?17:56
alteregoAh, right.17:56
alteregoNo, I don't do that, interesting idea though.17:56
alteregoWhat's the use of that then?17:56
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edheldilI am not sure, outside of Geocaching or some other navigation based games17:57
alteregoAh, right, that makes sense.17:58
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alteregoI was thinking of doing a geocaching plugin. So that would be a feature for that :)17:58
edheldilfwiw, garmin has it17:58
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edheldilalterego:  sounds lovely :)17:59
alteregoActually, something like that would probably be better in the main waypoint UI17:59
alteregoThanks for the idea :)17:59
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edheldilI am not sure what is your target audience, but another option could be displaying/calculating magnetic variation and the likes. I have did st. like that long time ago when I was preparing for sea navigation exam18:03
alteregoMy audience is every one except motorists (i.e. not turn-by-turn)18:04
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alteregoSo yeah, sailing, hiking, cycling, skiing/snowboarding all that kind of thing18:04
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alteregoThe ida behind columbus v1 is to implement a beautiful gps like a garmin handheld.18:05
infobotalterego meant: The idea behind columbus v1 is to implement a beautiful gps like a garmin handheld.18:05
alteregoWell, beautiful and have features akin to a handheld like a garmin.18:05
JaffaColumbus is pretty18:06
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alteregoI also do streaming, so you can turn the N900 into a network, bluetooth or usb serial gps dongle.18:06
edheldilwell, the one I did was for educational purposes - displaying true/magnetic north, etc. Not for sailing per se18:06
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edheldilalterego:  do you hacve screenshots somewhere?18:06
alteregoJaffa: I like to think so, that aspect was because I wanted to see what I could do with Qt :)18:07
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alteregoThere's a few more in the directory if you remove index.html from the url18:08
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edheldilah, really beautiful, thanks18:09
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GAN900Jaffa, Ohio? ;)18:14
JaffaGAN900: ?18:15
GAN900Ah, nevermind.18:15
* GAN900 is rattled this morning.18:15
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JaffaGAN900: Someone reputable whispered in your ear "The N9's going to have a 6502"?18:16
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Ex-OpesaWhere to find .ipk files for preenv? O_o18:24
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alteregoEx-Opesa: go away18:30
alteregoEx-Opesa: this isn't a warez channel18:30
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Ex-Opesaalterego: You mean we have to buy them? :S18:31
lardmanwhat's an ipk file?18:32
Ex-OpesaI didn't know that. I have been reading wiki
alteregoYou need a) Palm Pre. b) Purchase the games from whatever web os store.18:32
alteregolardman: it's the packaging format that Palms' WebOS uses.18:33
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lardmanis that ipkg?18:33
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alteregolardman: maybe,18:33
alteregoWhat's ipkg? :D18:33
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lardmanjust remembering OpenZaurus days18:33
alteregoAh yes18:34
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alteregoNo, this is probably something slightly different.18:34
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lardmanitsy package format, something like that18:35
alteregoI'm just put off by the 'i' ^.^18:35
lardmanbasically a deb with a different extension18:35
lardmanar wrapper with tar.gz internal data & control files18:35
* alterego tries to remember what he was doing.18:35
chxipkg is used by openwrt no?18:36
lardmanyes may well be18:37
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[q^_^p]hi some help to fix camara on kernel-power 4618:43
andre__[q^_^p], some question first? :)18:46
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[q^_^p]andre__ tell me18:52
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scoobertronhow can I stop the media player treating my ringtones as songs?19:07
scoobertronI keep putting it on shuffle then thinking someone is calling me19:07
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andre__scoobertron: does not happen here. Music is in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/ and ringtones are in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/Ringtones/19:12
GeneralAntillesJaffa: meathead screaming obscenities at me with his kid strapped to his back because he was confused about pricing.19:12
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scoobertronandre__: thanks, I will move them there and see what happens.  for some reason I don't have the ringtones directory19:15
scoobertron(which might explain why I don't have the default ringtones any more19:15
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ShadowJKThere are also some ringtones in /usr/share somewhere iirc19:21
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BCMMis there a microB extension that's capable of making Slashdot suck less?19:54
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BCMM(this would mostly involve applying custom CSS)19:54
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dneary_BCMM, You don't need a microB extension - you can just close the browser19:55
BCMMdneary_: i mean the layout, not the content!19:55
BCMMthey just made stuff worse with a redesign today19:55
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piggzBCMM: feedingit19:56
dneary_BCMM, Ah19:56
piggzas the old saying goes, never read in a webbowser, what can be read in a feed reader ;)19:57
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SpeedEvilIs it possible to have two X servers?21:03
SpeedEvilOr ratehr - two X servers on the n900 with maemo and something else?21:03
johnsqhow much you want, google Xephyr21:04
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: depends on your "something else" :p21:05
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SpeedEviljohnsq: I was envisioning something like x -- :221:05
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SpeedEvilwhich works on my deskgop21:05
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SpeedEvilErr - no --21:06
luke-jrstartx -- :221:06
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SpeedEvilWhat's this new-fangled startx?21:08
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johnsqclone attack21:11
Proteousif this was efnet that would get you a temp ban21:12
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* alterego just wrote a columbus plugin to open your current location in google maps.21:19
alteregoI should make the plugin interface scriptable ..21:20
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SpeedEvilhow the hell do you get my location?21:21
* SpeedEvil hides.21:22
alteregoSpeedEvil: because I've installed spyware into columbus :O21:22
alteregoKidding, I mean my location :P21:22
alteregoSo you can always know where I am ^.^21:22
kerioi always know where i am ^.^21:22
kerioat home, in front of my computer21:23
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franz_anyone with their N900 here? could anyone check if /usr/share/applications/hildon-notification is supposed to be empty?21:31
franz_well, it has a single '.empty' file21:31
b0unc3franz_: same here21:33
franz_ah, thanks21:33
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Proteouswherever you go, there you are21:49
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alteregoSo, I added the ability to open your current gps location in the web browser through google maps.22:00
alteregoBut google maps isn't that great on the N90022:00
chxalterego: URL?22:01
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alteregochx: for what?22:02
chxalterego: code?22:02
alteregoIt's a plugin for my app.22:03
alteregoWell, this is the code that does it:
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_prolecan someone tell a noob how to change default translation of the terminal to utf-822:09
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trumeeanybody knows lxp's email address?22:29
trumeeThe guy who write the wifi drivers.22:29
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_trineyou can probably contact him here22:51
_trinehes lxp22:51
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trumee_trine: thanks.22:54
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trumee_trine: i donated to him yesterday, but he hasnt send me the download link22:54
_trinewell I am sure he will he seems an honest guy22:55
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fralsthey all do until they scam you ;D22:57
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korhojoaHey guys, you know what's up when the n900 does this thing that you type, but it outputs the meta-key'd version of the input ?23:08
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alteregopress the function button again23:09
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alteregoSounds like you've accidentally fn locked it by dounle pressing23:09
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korhojoano such thing going on here23:10
korhojoai'm just typing, and it suddenly does that23:11
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korhojoaI find myself typing H3l:o23:11
korhojoaand it's a bit frustrating to notice it after you've sent the message23:11
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_trinehey he has even given his name23:15
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* timeless_xchat sighs23:33
timeless_xchatcan't perform operation23:33
timeless_xchatgeneral error23:33
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trumeeguys, i have received the wifi drivers from lxp and would like to use them with my own custom kernel rather than using kernel power. anybody knows what i should do with  compat.tar.gz, compat-wireless-2.6.tar.gz and wireless-testing.tar.bz223:45
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trumeeMohammadAG: any idea?23:48
ZogGJaffa, ^23:49
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