IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-01-28

merlin1991eichi on mappero you can select the backend for tiles and routing00:00
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eichiyeah, use osm maps allready. but i dont know the other routing engines. is there some, using osm data?00:01
eichii like the routing on webpage00:01
eichishould have a api00:01
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merlin1991 for routes using osm data00:04
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tychoI just flashed my n900 to a different firmware but ovi store keeps giving me a message everytime I boot it up00:04
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eichimerlin1991: looks good, thanks00:05
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tychoDoes anyone know what can be the problem ? It also says "cannot find terms" when i open the the terms window00:08
tychoI completely flashed the whole device so I dont really know what to do00:08
eichitycho: which "different firmware"?00:08
lardmanhmm, autofocus seems to have broken in mbarcode00:09
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tychosudo ./flasher 3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM -f -R is the command i wrote in xterm00:11
tychoon my comp00:11
ThreeMyou only flashed firmware not rootfs00:12
ThreeMflash rootfs (without parameter -r) then firmware00:12
tychoSending and flashing rootfs image (185728 kB)...00:12
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ThreeMi hope you dont have used the -R00:13
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tychosudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R <<< This is what I wrote00:14
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tychoIt still shows that damn ovi "Thank you for choosing nokia" blabla everytime I boot it up00:14
tychoAnd all my apps are gone so it seems to have flashed correctly?00:15
ThreeMon the N900 there are 2 files to flash00:15
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ThreeMthe emmc (something with vanilla in namen) and the firmware both00:16
ThreeMboth have to flashed to reset the device completly00:16
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ThreeMsearch on to get instructions how to do it00:17
tychoIve read it00:17
tycho20 times00:17
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tychoSo I flash that one first, and the emmc one later00:17
ThreeMahh ok00:17
ThreeMso then i have no idea why the device behavior like this00:18
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tychosudo flasher-3.5 -F "vanilla emc firmware" -f -R <<< Is that correct?00:19
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ThreeMlooks like yes. but please remove -R parameter. flash emc, then straigt firmware with -R so the device reboots00:20
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tychoAlright, I did like you said now00:22
tychowithout -R on the emmc00:22
tychoand then I should do the same with the PR one?00:22
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tychoshould the PR one contain -f -R ThreeM ?00:23
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tychoIT accidently booted up after i did the first firmware but I took out the battery before it left the white nokia screen00:25
tychoLets see what happens now00:25
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tychoThreeM: Thank you so much!!!!00:30
tychoIt worked00:30
tychoI love you00:30
tychoNot really00:30
tychoBut thanks alot00:30
tychoI really mean it00:30
ThreeMmy first maemo help00:31
ThreeMno problem i like to help00:31
tychoI have tried to get this shit to work the whole day had to reinstall my whole computer into xubuntu to get it to work00:31
lardmanMy new N900 keeps saying funny things like "Insufficient power, not charging" is that normal?00:31
alteregolardman: I get that all the time.00:31
tychomaybe it has something to do with thevoltage00:32
alteregoVia USB from a computer right?00:32
lardmanalterego: and it umounts my mass-storage stuff00:32
lardmanI never used to get that with the old one00:32
alteregolardman: what are you doing with it?00:32
alteregoCopy files?00:32
alterego~copying ?00:32
lardmantrying to00:32
tychoI get that message when I go into pc suite mode00:32
ThreeMi get this when im running my notebook from battery00:32
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alteregoI get that message when I'm running some CPU intensive app whilst it's charging and tethered.00:33
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lardman[12221.471797] usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 800:33
lardman[12226.612665] usb 2-2: can't set config #1, error -11000:33
alteregoYeah, Don't worry about it.00:33
alteregoActually, that should stop it unmounting.00:33
alteregoMaybe dodgy cable.00:33
MohammadAGholidays, the only time I get distracted from IRC :p00:33
tychoyou spend the weekdays on irc?00:33
alteregoHE spends every day on IRC00:34
ThreeMits 23:34 and im hanging on irc00:34
MohammadAGalterego, stfu, you're here till 5AM00:35
lardmanhmm, looks like it's hung00:35
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alteregolardman: heavy IO may do that too ..00:38
alteregoDid you fully charge the device before hand?00:38
lardmanno, 1/2 battery00:38
lardmanI guess something might have get stuck on 100% cpu, though I didn't checkl00:38
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lardman3 weeks ago, just before his device broken00:49
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alteregoYou broke your own autofocus?00:50
alteregoHow did you manage that>00:51
lardmanwell I broke the code that controls autofocus00:51
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MohammadAGgstreamer i think00:53
lardmannah, just a single line change in mbarcode that I apparently didn't get a chance to check too well00:53
lardmanbut yeah I use gst00:53
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alteregoOh, you broke autofocus in your own app.00:53
alteregoI thought you meant you broke it completely.00:53
lardmanoh no, sorry00:54
ThreeMis that normal that BlessN900 makes strange noises when it focus?00:54
alteregoThreeM: yes, that's normal.00:54
alteregoIt does it for all camera apps for me.00:55
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ThreeMnothing to worry about it?00:55
ThreeMahh ok00:55
ThreeMcause the stock camera app dont do that so i was a little bit worry00:55
lardmanwhat's the operator for a logical xor in C++?00:56
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MohammadAGonly in macro mode00:57
MohammadAGwhen you're focusing on something close00:57
MohammadAGwill it click back00:57
alteregolardman:  ^00:57
alteregoa ^ b is XOR00:57
lardmanalterego: that's bitwise afaiu?00:57
alteregoOh, logical00:57
ThreeMahh ok00:57
alteregoThere isn't one.00:58
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alteregoIsn't that just an OR?00:59
alteregoWhat are you trying to do?00:59
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MohammadAGI have a spec of dust in my screen00:59
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ieatlintwow, the q4 nokia figures are out... for the entirety of 2010, nokia sold 100m symbian phones worldwide compared with 36 million iphones01:02
ieatlintand retains 31% of the worldwide smartphone market01:02
ieatlintwhereas here in the US, where everyone buys their phones from their phone carrier, my carrier has a single symbian phone for sale01:03
ieatlintand it's low-end01:03
ThreeMsame here in german01:03
ThreeMnokia has problems with smartphone market and anybody thinks that symbian is crap (not my opinion)01:04
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ieatlintsymbian is pretty crappy01:05
alteregoDepends who you are.01:05
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alteregoI think Symbian^3 is really quite good for the 5 minutes I played with it :D01:05
ThreeMwhy is symbian crappy? it just works01:05
ieatlintit's easier to use than other smartphone platforms01:05
ThreeMthe gui is not so intuitiv01:05
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MohammadAGactually, I find older people get used to iPhone's faster01:06
MohammadAGffs can't type01:06
alteregoThat's because they're designed for idiots :)01:06
trumeewhere can i get the original osso-wlan?01:06
ThreeMbut on the other hand, the clock and alarm works pretty well ;)01:06
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alteregoOr at least people with low expectations and needs.01:06
ieatlintsymbian^3 has a crappy on screen keyboard, and its lack of package maintainance is a joke01:06
trumeeanybody knows where is the original maemo repo?01:06
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ieatlintit's home screen widget stuff is crippled as compared to android (or maemo)01:07
ThreeMsymbian can handle the most scenarios well01:07
ieatlintand its method of handling data connections is confusing, with settings all over the place instead of centralised01:07
ThreeMand it has more functions on board compared to android or ios01:07
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ieatlintfunctions on board? how's that?01:08
ThreeMsyncml for example01:08
trumeeah, found it01:08
ieatlintsymbian^3 doesn't support kinetic scrolling widgets as part of its current qt toolkit01:08
ieatlintwhich is beyond failure in my opinion01:08
MohammadAG<alterego> That's because they're designed for idiots :)01:09
MohammadAGI pretty much said that to a lot of people01:09
alteregoActually yeah, I remmeber thinking that. At least it has touch scrolling unlike the previous versions ;)01:09
ieatlintthey just say use QML, you know, when it actually gets released for symbian at some indefinite future time01:09
MohammadAGin their face etc01:09
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alteregoMohammadAG: I do all the time ;)01:09
MohammadAGS^3 was a huge step for S6001:09
MohammadAGI mean, ^1 was crappy as hell01:09
ieatlinti went from a nokia n80 s60 3rd edition, to android, to maemo, and now have two s^3 devices01:10
ieatlintand i feel crippled in them01:10
ieatlintgranted, the lack of hardware keyboard is part of my issue... which isn't s^3's fault01:10
ThreeMi like symbian and i think its still one of the best mobile os01:10
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ieatlinti have some hopes for meego, although i still question if nokia will be able to convert its userbase to it01:11
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ThreeMbut coding for it can be pain in the ass01:11
wmaroneconverting a user base takes time and developer support01:11
alteregoconvert, meh, transition.01:11
alteregoUsers will go where the candy is01:11
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ieatlintalterego: yeah, but the candy might be android or iphone now01:12
MohammadAGI hate the generation of idiots the iPhone is building01:12
ieatlintmost people who buy a symbian phone are replacing a symbian phone01:12
alteregoieatlint: Maybe, we'll see.01:12
wmaroneI'm more wondering if Elop isn't going to eviscerate it all01:12
MohammadAGI mean seriously, a friend of mine thinks it can really measure heartbeat with the camera01:12
ThreeMMohammadAG, word01:12
wmaroneMohammadAG: to be fair to the iPhone, most buyers are new to the smartphoen concempt01:12
ieatlintif they have to change OSes, they may change to a non-nokia platform that they've heard so much about and is well established01:12
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wmaroneblahhhh stupid lag01:12
MohammadAGand the video demoing that was using a fucking index finger01:12
MohammadAGwhich has NO pulse01:13
ThreeMthe most of the iphone users doesnt realy need a smartphone01:13
wmaronewhat annoys me is Android01:13
ThreeMthe need a handheld with no features01:13
wmaroneas google managed to kneecap the role of actual open source OSes in the mobile space01:13
ThreeMandroid is no option because of the "security" system and the anoying ads overall01:13
MohammadAGandroid's better than iOS though01:13
wmaronesure, it's better01:14
alteregoDo you think Nokia/MeeGo will ever get adverts?01:14
wmaroneand I'll sooner buy Android than WP7/iOS01:14
alteregoI hope not, and maybe that'll be a compelling enough reason?01:14
alteregoBecause Apple is going that way and that is all that Google is about ..01:14
alteregoI will stay with Nokia until the end.01:14
wmaronealterego: MeeGo doesn't supply a store, I don't imagine it will supply Ads01:14
ThreeMmeego can be a great hit for me, if its open like maemo01:14
alteregoI don't like what Android is and I don't like who's developing it. Same goes for iOS01:15
jacekowskiwmarone: windows phone looks interesting01:15
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MohammadAGit's windows01:15
wmaronejacekowski: thus far it's just Microsoft's version of iOS01:15
MohammadAGexpect half of it to not work without windows01:15
jacekowskiMohammadAG: you can measure heartbeat with camera01:15
ieatlintit'd have been interesting if webos got the support it needed01:15
jacekowskiMohammadAG: +light01:15
MohammadAGthe iPhone has no light01:15
jacekowskiMohammadAG: that's pretty much how these clip on hospital things work01:16
MohammadAGat least pre-401:16
jacekowskiMohammadAG: these produce two colours of red light01:16
jacekowskiand measure each one of them01:16
MohammadAGbut the iphone can't do that01:16
jacekowskiand that gives oxygen level and fluctuation give pulse01:16
jacekowskijust to measure pulse01:16
jacekowskiexternal light should be enough01:16
ieatlinti've seen the app on an nexus s that measures heartbeat... it seems janky to get working, but then appears reliable01:17
jacekowskiwith sensitive camera01:17
MohammadAGand doesn't the index finger lack pulse?01:17
ThreeMok my batteries are empty. good night everyone01:17
jacekowskiMohammadAG: touch it yourself01:17
MohammadAGwasn't it only the thumb that had pulse01:17
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lardmannot with your thumb though01:17
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: all of them have pulse01:17
lardmannah, thumb just has more of a pulse01:18
jacekowskiMohammadAG: these hospital things ussualy go onto index finger01:18
MohammadAGyeah i remember that now01:18
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jacekowskii'm just saying that idea is possible01:18
MohammadAGbut I remember reading somewhere about thumb having pulse01:19
MohammadAGguess lardman's right01:19
jacekowskibut i doubt iphone has camera sensitive enough01:19
lardmanyeah you're not supposed to try to take someone's pulse using your thumb01:19
MohammadAG3G fyi, not the 3GS01:19
alteregoAlmost finished copying MeeGo (for the fifth time in about an hour)01:19
MohammadAGalterego, install on the eMMC01:19
jacekowskiieatlint: but that has dedicated lights inside01:19
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ieatlintjacekowski: yes, but it's what that thing on your finger is at a hospital, so i figured relevant01:20
ieatlintincluding to how it works in general01:20
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jacekowskii know how it works01:21
jacekowskii built one01:21
jacekowskijust for lulz01:21
jacekowskinever got to calibrate it01:21
ieatlintcool, i'd love to see info on that if you documented it01:21
alteregoMohammadAG: I'm testing problems in the latest image and comparing with an older one.01:21
jacekowskiieatlint: it's very simple device01:22
jacekowskiieatlint: it's calibration of it that's a problem01:22
jacekowskiieatlint: and setting up your leds01:22
alteregoMohammadAG: but for some reason the transfer speed of my sd card reader has plummeted to 1.0MB/s :(01:22
ieatlinthow often does it need calibration though?01:22
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MohammadAGalterego, which brings us back to... eMMC :p01:22
ieatlinti'd be curious, because having something in a form factor that could be used while exercising and store data would be really awesome01:23
alteregoI don't think so.01:23
jacekowskiieatlint: it's one of as far as i know01:23
ieatlintand all the commercial ones i've seen are huge finger blocks01:23
jacekowskiieatlint: but i have nothing to compare it to01:23
MohammadAGjust partition it with gparted01:23
alteregoYou've got a point though, I can install two version on the same MMC and configure the bootloader to select which one to load.01:23
jacekowskiieatlint: i just have value from A/D converter that changes with my pulse01:23
alteregoAnyway, almost done now.01:23
ieatlinteasy to fix then, just need a heart rate monitor for reference01:24
jacekowskibut i'm not going to buy one01:24
jacekowskii could go to hospital01:25
jacekowskiand ask around01:25
ieatlinti have access to a chest strap polar one01:25
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jacekowskibut that's just hearbeat01:25
jacekowskinot oxygen level01:25
jacekowskiisn't it?01:25
ieatlintoh, yes, i'm not thinking here01:25
ieatlintyeah, would need to buy one, or visit a hospital/clinic01:25
jacekowskii just can't imagine me walking into hospital01:27
jacekowskiwith my bag01:27
jacekowskisaying "hi, can i use your pulse oximieter for couple hours"01:28
merlin1991that's be awesome :D01:28
ieatlintyeah, i'm sure they won't object :P01:29
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orospakrHey, does anyone else find the 3.5mm TRRS connector on the n900 to be kind of sloppy?  I routinely get very annoying crackling in a verified known-good pair of headphones if I so much as wiggle or touch the phone or the plug.01:36
alteregoNo, can't say I do.01:38
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lardmannight all01:50
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trumeemobile hotspot doesn't like lxps driver.01:55
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trumeeN900 rebooted when i ran mobile hotspot.01:56
nox-whats lxps?01:57
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trumeenox-, injection wifi drivers01:58
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jonwilJust spoke to Nokia Care regarding my broken status LED and they gave me a reference number and told me to come visit which I shall be doing soon02:58
jonwilwell I told them I was going to visit02:59
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pupnikhows the hacking goin jonwil ?03:04
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jonwilso far so good, I posted to the developer mailing list with my results for the ICD policy plugins03:04
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pupnikRST38h: a true genius...
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jonwilanyone know what "PPU data04:00
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: isn't that some packet unit that holds netto SMS data?04:45
jonwilI know its related to the CAL and to the WiFi chip04:45
jonwilas in its stored in the CAL and used by the WiFi chip04:45
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gunBoatshare me activation mic. office please?05:36
CableTwitchMosey the aubergine quickly, Harold.05:37
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Sazpaimonso those windows phone 7 certified microsd cards are supposed to have very reliable random write speeds, correct?06:05
SazpaimonWould they work well as swap space in an N900 as opposed to the internan eMMC storage?06:05
BCMMwhat does windows do with them that needs certification? swap or cache as opposed to filesystem?06:06
Sazpaimoni forget what the whole issue was but i believe it had to do with windows phone 7 pretty much destroying many microsd cards because their random read/write speeds were very sub-par06:07
Sazpaimonshould be near the bottom06:09
Sazpaimonbut i assume so-called "windows phone certified" cards will have superior random access speeds to those on the market today, making it idea for virtual memory06:10
BCMMheh, i love it when microsoft occasionally does something cool by accident06:11
BCMMreminds me of the Vista-ready webcams thing06:11
BCMMthey were required to support UVC to get the little sticker06:11
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BCMMmeaning that the little "windows vista ready" sticker was a guarantee that your new webcam would work with linux06:12
Sazpaimonbut am I right in assuming when these cards hit the market they would be ideal for our swap space?06:12
BCMMi don't know how the uSD slot compares to the stuff swap is on by default...06:12
BCMMeven with an ideal card06:12
Sazpaimonthe internal storage is still eMMC i believe06:13
Sazpaimonprobably not optimized for random access06:13
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BCMMtalking of which, does anybody know why the io scheduler is set to cfq?06:16
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DocScrutinizerI guess the one that did that config should know06:19
BCMMDocScrutinizer: given that it's probably a kernel default, they might not...06:20
BCMMis there anything in one of the repos that offers reasonably realistic filesystem benchmarking?06:21
BCMMbasically, it's said that noop often works surprisingly well with solid-state gear06:22
BCMMand i'd like to test that06:22
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CableTwitchDamnit. Dropped this bloody thing, and two of the top screws seem to have popped out.06:36
CableTwitchJust hoping they can be screwed back in.06:37
CableTwitchOtherwise, I might have to be on my 4th device XD06:37
Sazpaimonhmm, I hear the Komputerbay 16GB class 6 card is the fastest card when it comes to random access06:38
SazpaimonI'll give that a whirl, it's only like $4006:38
CableTwitch16GB solid state for what... 30 quid? Not bad. That would have required a small mortgage 10 years ago.06:39
DhraakellianI'm getting seemingly random crashes—I take the n900 out of my pocket, and it's powered off06:40
Sazpaimonno, microSDHC06:40
Sazpaimonnot an SSD06:40
CableTwitchI didnt say SSD, Saz.06:40
SazpaimonCableTwitch, that's usually implied nowadays, my bad06:41
Dhraakellianhave to take the battery out and back in before I can reboot it06:41
CableTwitchI just said solid state ;O)06:41
Sazpaimonhere's the card: I'm gonna try it in the N900 and see if it works faster than the internal eMMC as swap space06:41
SazpaimonI've read reports that it works well on a windows phone 7 device, which has very high requirements in regards to random read/write speeds06:42
Dhraakellianjust recently had a reflash, and the only -devel packages I have installed are Rockbox and its documentation06:43
luke-jrSazpaimon: microSDHC *is* a SSD06:43
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Sazpaimonluke-jr, okay, you have me there06:43
CableTwitchI'd say CF was more an SSD thanSD06:45
Dhraakellian(it was happening before the reflash too)06:45
CableTwitchI wonder if we'll get an updated version of CF with a SATA interface?06:47
SpeedEvilHighly unliklely.06:47
SpeedEvilCF has an inherently fragile and expensive connector.06:48
CableTwitchThe original CF was ATA, was it not?06:48
SpeedEvilBut ATA->UDMA is not a big step06:48
SpeedEvilit's the same number of pins, using them slightly differently.06:48
luke-jrtheoretically, you could probably build a flash card that fits into a SATA connector :P06:49
SpeedEvilNot quite - SATAhasno power.06:49
BCMMi think quite a lot would already, with a bit of blu-tac maybe06:49
SpeedEvilIt'd need to straddle both connecotors06:49
luke-jrSpeedEvil: eSATA does06:50
* Dhraakellian wonders if power management might have something to do with it and how to diagnose06:53
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CableTwitchMind you, USB3 is a rather tasty development.06:55
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Sazpaimonlooking further, the class 4 kingston 16GB seems to have the best random read/write speeds06:55
CableTwitchMight actually be worth using external SSD units, as they can take advantage of the high bandwidth.06:55
SazpaimonI'll give that one a buy then, I trust kingston, never heard of komputerbay06:56
CableTwitchUSB3 card readers.... RAID0 them :O)06:56
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CableTwitchSaz: Let us know what you find out with that card.07:00
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CableTwitchRobbieThe1st beep07:07
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CableTwitch(Still loopy)07:07
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SazpaimonCableTwitch, I'm looking for cards that have good reports in windows phone devices07:18
Sazpaimonso far this has yeilded the best results07:18
Sazpaimonif a card has good performance in a windows phone, it's very high quality in terms of performance07:19
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SazpaimonFWIW i still haven't gotten an N900 yet, I need to find a decent listing for it and get it once I get my tax return :(07:19
Sazpaimoni also need to go through the process of cancelling with AT&T and switching to tmo07:21
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CableTwitchOh hell yes. The damabe I feared was simply retightening the screws.07:30
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RobbieThe1st...And I just learned to be very careful around PHP when you've done a lot of JS. a + in php between strings doesn't concatenate, but doesn't bring up a noticable error either.07:39
schmeegois there a way to lock keypresses and touchscreen input, while still keeping the display lit while on charger?07:45
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schmeegoin n800 it does that if you have the setting to keep screen on while charging enabled, and then do lock screen and keys07:46
schmeegobut in n900 it turns of display as well07:47
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schmeego*of = off07:47
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pupnikAs long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose — that it may violate property instead of protecting it — then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder.08:11
pupnik- Frederic Bastiat,
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RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: Ok, I've got a slight problem with that charge script. If BackupMenu is charging, and I reboot the device into Maemo, BME can't charge - It simply says "Not charging".08:14
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Psiis there an easy way to backup and restore the entire built-in flash on the n900?08:27
RobbieThe1stYea... My application: BackupMenu08:27
Psicool, does it backup to the microsd?08:27
RobbieThe1stOr eMMC, which ever you pick08:27
RobbieThe1stIt's in extras-devel.08:28
RobbieThe1stThe internal flash(32-GB)08:28
Psioh, so it can take a snapshot and backup to itself, nice08:28
RobbieThe1stSort of, not quite - the eMMC is divided into several partitions: the /opt/ filesystem, some swap-space and the MyDocs partiton08:29
RobbieThe1stIt will backup to the MyDocs partition or your SD card. It -takes- backups of the NAND flash and the /opt/ filesystem08:30
Psii currently dont have a sd card08:30
RobbieThe1stNot an issue - that's what backing it up to the MyDocs is for - It's what's accessable over USB08:31
Psiwhat i want is to be able to make an image that i can copy to another pc so if i break/lose the phone i can restore a new n900 to the same state08:31
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: seems bme has another bug there. I frequently need to restart bme 2 times, and/or need to replug the charger USB, to start charging08:31
RobbieThe1stWhen you plug it into a PC and you see "n900" show up? That's the MyDocs partition.08:31
RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: Hm, odd.08:31
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: probably bme is relying on some initialization of bq24150 and /or 1707 PHY08:32
PsiRobbieThe1st: does it backup the mydocs partition itself?08:32
DocScrutinizerwhich normally is either power-on default state, or done by NOLO08:32
RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: That's what I'm thinking, but I need to figure out how to reset it to default08:32
RobbieThe1stPsi: No, and for good reason - it's 27GB. where could I copy it too?08:33
RobbieThe1stPsi: But that's not an issue - just plug it into your computer and copy it all from there.08:33
Psicould have it so you can backup to the mounted network share08:34
RobbieThe1stThat can all be done from inside Maemo; Just a line or too of shell-script.08:34
RobbieThe1stBackupmenu does what -can't-; namely OS backup and restore.08:35
Psiok, thanks, will try BackupMenu08:35
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: first thing to try is to wait 30s after stopping charging script. This should trigger bq24150 watchdog and cause a power-on reset, you'll notice this (in standard system booted) by the steady amber lighting up, which indicates bq24150 entered emergency charging mode which is default after power-up08:36
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RobbieThe1stYea, lets see,,,08:37
PsiRobbieThe1st: is the warning about permanent hardware damage from i2cset and i2c-tools normal08:37
RobbieThe1stYea; just don't use i2cset yourself and you'll be fine08:38
DocScrutinizerthere actually are some chips in N900 that have some registers marked as "do not write - might cause hardware damage"08:39
DocScrutinizeri2ctools are not a toy for users with no clue about the hw08:39
RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: And heck, if you write the wrong thing to the charger, you -could- end up frying the battery, couldn't you?08:40
DocScrutinizerdefinitely nope, no matter how many times whoever repeats such nonsense08:40
RobbieThe1stOh. Thats good then.08:40
Psiyeah, probable for firmware reprogramming and voltage settings08:40
DocScrutinizerbq24150 is immanently safe for battery08:41
DocScrutinizeryou can wear out the battery rather fast, by mistreating it via bq24150 misconfiguration08:41
DocScrutinizerbut there's no way to destroy the battery in a few hours or even minutes08:42
DocScrutinizereven less there's any danger whatsoever08:42
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RobbieThe1stOh heck. That's not worrysome at all then.08:43
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PsiRobbieThe1st: on boot got "error with cp /lib/ /tmp/disk/lib/ code: 1"08:45
RobbieThe1stpress space08:45
RobbieThe1stignore it08:45
RobbieThe1stBut I'll look at that error08:46
DocScrutinizerI.E. you can choose to set bq24150 to operation modes that are quite different from what's recommended, but you can't set it to operate battery outside of the cell's ABS MAX ratings, for all I know about those ratings (alas Nokia hasn't published those, so I have to use those of other similar cells)08:46
Psigetting a few more, pressing space again08:46
Psiok, menu loaded08:46
RobbieThe1stAt some point, would you mind writing those errors down?08:46
Psii got 3 files08:46
RobbieThe1stThat sounds right08:47
RobbieThe1st3 errors you mean?08:47
RobbieThe1stPsi: I assume you don't have a ssh-server installed?08:48
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Psi/lib/  ,  /lib/ and  /usr/lib/
Psiall code 108:49
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Psii can ssh into the phone08:49
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RobbieThe1st-if- you have ssh-server installed08:50
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Psii mean i have 'an' ssh server installed, i just dont know if its the package ssh-server (installed it quite a while ago)08:53
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Psiphone is currently making a backup08:54
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: btw bq24150 also isn't one of those chips that have forbidden registers - you can't destroy it via i2ctools.08:54
RobbieThe1stK. Out of curiosity, did you install it from my website, or the extras-devel repo, Psi?08:54
DocScrutinizerlis302 accel meter is marked as dangerous08:55
RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: That's good to know08:55
PsiRobbieThe1st: from the maemo package manager which i assume used extra-devel08:56
RobbieThe1stOh. -that- explains one of my problems08:57
RobbieThe1stHuh... I wonder why Version 0.60-2 never uploaded...08:57
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DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: I think you've noticed ShadowJK's script is nicely commented, so it's not really hard to understand and try to improve, if you're willing to read the chip's datasheet to learn about the meaning of the registers08:58
Psii like the   open-kbd = menu  closed-kbd = normal boot09:00
MohammadAGI hate it, I want mind control!09:01
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PsiMohammadAG: sure, you'd just need to carry around a headset and a tube of conductive transducer jelly :P09:03
MohammadAGPsi, cool, right?09:03
Psithe idea is cool, but somehow i dont think it would look cool :P09:04
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Psianyone know why recently i seem to have lost all the small fonts in the maemo terminal?09:05
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Psiit says "already at min font size" when im sure ive had it much smaller than that before09:05
Psinevermind, going in to the terminal font options and changing it to 10pt seems to have got past the min font message, the +/- buttons are now changing the font size properly again09:07
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PsiRobbieThe1st: backup seems to have worked fine, files are in mydocs as expected, 1gb for opt and 270mb for root09:09
RobbieThe1stDo note they are just tar files, so you can go in and change/fix things if you need.09:11
Psiyeah, i noticed09:11
RobbieThe1st(But remember to preserve permissions)09:11
* Psi starts samba and copies them to other pc for backup09:11
Psiused to use sshfs to get files off phone but samba seems faster, probably because its not encrypting it09:13
Psishould get around to installing ftp09:13
RobbieThe1stmeh. SSH/SCP's nice and works fast enough.09:14
RobbieThe1stsecure = good09:14
Psiheh 7gb MyDocs over phone wifi, this is going to take a while09:16
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Psiok, 5hours, this is insane09:19
Psitime to install ftp09:19
RobbieThe1stWhy not connect it via USB?09:19
RobbieThe1stYou'll get better speeds... and keep it charged09:19
Psiyeah, i could do that, but im just looking for an excuse to install ftp :)09:20
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marlaw2rsync rules :P09:27
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marlaw2i.e. resume09:28
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Psilooks like proftpd under easydebian is a little harder than just an apt-get (dependencie issues) oh well, usb mass storage mode it is09:29
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Psiis there anything else i should check when it wont usb mount due to device in use?  lsof has nothing to do with MyDocs and ive shutdown the debianchroot09:41
marlaw2Psi, there should be grync in the maemo repo09:43
marlaw2probably extra09:43
RobbieThe1stI find that unplugging, waiting for 5-10 seconds, then replugging works most of the timne09:43
marlaw2if you need ui09:43
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RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: Am I reading this write? If I set the MSB of register 04 to a 1, the chip goes into reset mode?10:01
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infobotRobbieThe1st meant: DocScrutinizer: Am I reading this right? If I set the MSB of register 04 to a 1, the chip goes into reset mode?10:01
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DocScrutinizer    # tickle watchdog timer10:02
DocScrutinizer    $i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x00 0x80;10:02
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DocScrutinizer  # reset bq2415010:02
DocScrutinizer  $i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x04 0x8010:02
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RobbieThe1stOh, good. I think I was right, then10:03
DocScrutinizertrap cleanup INT QUIT TERM EXIT10:03
DocScrutinizer  trap - INT QUIT TERM EXIT10:03
DocScrutinizer  # reset bq2415010:03
DocScrutinizer  $i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x04 0x8010:03
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RobbieThe1stIt was commented out on my copy of the charger-script for some reason10:04
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DocScrutinizererr, I'm not aware the charger script has it10:04
RobbieThe1st#echo -n Reset...10:04
RobbieThe1st#i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x04 8010:04
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DocScrutinizerabove is a quote from my jrbme script10:05
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RobbieThe1stI'm talking about shadow's script, the one you linked me to10:05
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RobbieThe1stEither way, this -might- just solve my problem10:05
DocScrutinizeryes, it probably does. Esp if you use trap10:05
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RobbieThe1st..Aand, for anyone that cares, Version 0.61-1 has been uploaded with fixed charging support, SSH-mode working right again, and a couple of other bugfixes10:22
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DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: it's been commented out in charger because it's useless at start of script10:30
RobbieThe1stah, yea10:30
RobbieThe1stIt's sort of useful at the -end-, though.10:30
DocScrutinizeryou need a cleanup() that's called via trap10:31
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DocScrutinizeras there's no "end" when script gets cancelled10:31
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]I'm a bit late to the conversation - what is this update in relation to?10:32
jacekowskihmm,apparently egypt is disconnected from internet10:32
RobbieThe1stPoint, though in my case I'm not worried - I know where I'm killing that script, so I can just run it at that point10:32
RobbieThe1stProvided someone doesn't yank the battery, it'll all work perfectly.10:32
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: err sorry - how can you execute something at a certain point in a script conditional just when it's killed?10:34
DocScrutinizerhow do you stop the scrpt?10:34
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RobbieThe1stSimple: Script A launches charge-script B. At shutdown time, script A kills script B, then runs the reset-command, unmounts everything, and powers off10:35
DocScrutinizerwell, it works10:35
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RobbieThe1stIt works nicely; script A is the rest of my program, so I'm not exactly adding anything extra10:36
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DocScrutinizerit's unclean though, as you'll probably run the umount and kill even when there's nothing to kill or reset10:37
DocScrutinizerproper way to implement such things is to have a trap section in your primary script10:37
johnxor: umount /my/fs &> /dev/null10:37
johnxalso clean10:37
RobbieThe1stUnless the charge-script dies due to a glich, there's no way it's going to be shut off.. :\10:37
johnx(though bash-centric)10:38
RobbieThe1stMainly because it's launched at startup, no matter if USB is connected or not. Laggy, but seems to work10:38
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DocScrutinizeryou noticed your first statement justifying the 2 script approach started with "unless"? :-)10:38
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DocScrutinizerthis "unless" was why I said "proper way"10:39
RobbieThe1stWhat I'm not sure is the benefit - I'd be moving the reset line from script A into script B; I10:40
RobbieThe1stI'd -still- have to kill script B from script A..10:40
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RobbieThe1stBecause script A is my application10:40
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DocScrutinizerwell, also because you frequently prefer to have one sequence of commands forming a function, in one file, just for clarity and maintainability10:40
RobbieThe1stThat there might be a point.10:41
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DocScrutinizersomebody night decide to call script B, unaware it isn't working without the "postprocessing" in script A10:42
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RobbieThe1stEh... In this case, though, I -know- the reset code will be run no matter what else happens. If there's an error in the charge-script and it dies... No worries.10:42
RobbieThe1stAnd, nomatter what anyone does via SSH, it will -still- get reset as it's one of the last lines before reboot; no time for someone to screw things up10:43
DocScrutinizerI might call the script in my normal system10:44
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RobbieThe1stYea. I might add a second copy to the script later, when JRBME comes out... But this seems a lot more foolproof.10:44
DocScrutinizerand I bet somebody will do10:44
DocScrutinizer(wait for jrbme) that's what I'd suggest anyway10:44
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RobbieThe1stI'm doing both. Right now, this works, seems to work well... and No reason to take it out when it makes people happy.10:45
DocScrutinizeryesyes, you even promoted it aiui10:45
RobbieThe1stI did?10:45
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DocScrutinizerso no hurry, just update to jrbme when available10:45
RobbieThe1stOh, wait... charging. Yea. Yea.10:45
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-28 09:22:27] <RobbieThe1st> ..Aand, for anyone that cares, Version 0.61-1 has been uploaded with fixed charging support, SSH-mode working right again, and a couple of other bugfixes10:46
RobbieThe1stYes! It's up in devel now. It sure takes a bit, doesn't it?10:46
RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: Yea; I thought for a minute you meant "promoted" as in "promoted to extras-testing"10:46
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DocScrutinizerwas not sure about that, but whatever, you published it, so no use in "revoking" anything right now10:47
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MohammadAGwindows is retarded10:49
MohammadAGit nuked itself on my laptop10:50
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RobbieThe1st7, vista or XP?10:50
MohammadAGchkdsk deleted dlls10:50
MohammadAGsystem dlls!10:50
RobbieThe1stSounds about right10:50
MohammadAGI need to reinstall some "WDAC" thing, and it's part of the OS10:50
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RobbieThe1stY'know, you'd think that these days it could automatically detect a broken file, connect to MS's site and download an appropriate copy in a couple of minutes...10:51
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`Ika_Musumeis there any japanese language support for n11:10
psycho_oreosin what way?11:10
`Ika_Musumewell regional, since it doesnt support all kanji11:12
DocScrutinizerwasn't "leaked" 1.2 about honkong or sth?11:12
`Ika_Musumei dont know i havnt been updated11:13
psycho_oreoshumm that I'm not sure of, I do know that media player does show Japanese titles but inputting and UI = no support11:13
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`Ika_Musumeso noo regional ?11:14
psycho_oreosnone that I'm aware of11:14
DocScrutinizercheck available firmware image versions11:14
psycho_oreosbut like I said media player does show Japanese titles if they were embedded11:14
psycho_oreosthere's HK support for menus and very basic input for Chinese11:15
psycho_oreosoh and those support are only available via extras-devel11:15
`Ika_Musumeits not media player , its for xchat and internets11:15
`Ika_Musumei hardcode subs into movies if i need to since anime have karaoke fansubsubs11:16
psycho_oreosxchat Japanese input? yeah that requires something like scim which I don't think there's one for Japanese11:16
`Ika_Musumei see11:16
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`Ika_Musumethx anyways11:17
psycho_oreosinternets such as browsing? well there's 3rd party browsers like chromium or firefox fennec or opera mobile for instance which can probably render Japanese texts11:17
`Ika_Musumefirefox sux , its to old and plugins arnt supported11:18
`Ika_Musumeopera eh , it dont support adobe flash11:18
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psycho_oreosits fennec here we are talking about. Maemo's stock browser microB is based on firefox :p11:18
`Ika_Musumeit is?11:19
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psycho_oreoswell the internal engine pretty much is11:19
`Ika_Musumebut it looks more like IE11:19
psycho_oreoshmm microB seems to also be able to render Japanese texts11:19
psycho_oreoslol IE11:19
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`Ika_Musumedo you gys know if there ia any news on flash ?11:20
`Ika_Musumeflash is the heart of the internets >_>11:20
psycho_oreosit isn't11:21
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`Ika_Musumecuz changing the flash ver doesnt always work11:21
arp_flash is far away from the heart of internetz ;)11:21
`Ika_Musumewell 70% of webpages use flash11:21
arp_and if you remove the ad's, how many uses flash then? ;)11:22
`Ika_Musumewell its not only ads11:22
`Ika_Musumeits also menu,s11:22
arp_the sites i visit doesn't use flash11:23
`Ika_Musumemost of our dutch sites are flash based menu's11:23
`Ika_Musumeits not just ad's sadly11:24
`Ika_Musumeohwell , hows meego going?11:25
psycho_oreos-> #meego11:25
`Ika_Musumeis is beter then maemo?11:25
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psycho_oreosto the clueless, maybe11:26
`Ika_Musumei think there is just not enough support for lnux systems11:26
psycho_oreoswhich is quite a contrary, have a look at android11:27
`Ika_Musumehow does windows run on n900?11:27
`Ika_Musumeslow i guess11:28
psycho_oreoswith little hope11:28
psycho_oreos1) windows hardly came out with ARM ports so they have to run through emulator 2) The hardware specs for N900 maybe a little too underpowered for the likes of bloated windows XP and beyond11:28
`Ika_Musumei see11:29
RobbieThe1stDos on the other hand... While emulated in dosbox, it's still quick because it's light.11:30
psycho_oreosmore like because its 16bit ;)11:30
DocScrutinizerwtf, a site that's using flash menu is so fubar, I wish they had a blacklist that would enable my browser to not even try to open such crap11:31
RobbieThe1stEh... Isnt W98 16-bit also?11:31
RobbieThe1stOr was that 3.111:31
psycho_oreoslinux console would be far more faster than DOS, because it can be cross compiled to ARM unlike standard DOS (unless yes you're comparing against freeDOS)11:32
psycho_oreosI was kidding11:32
RobbieThe1stBut yea, of course. And it is extremely fast, and we -do- have it.11:33
`Ika_Musumealso whats the best video player witch support most formats? and attachments in mkv11:34
RobbieThe1stBut if you want a gui, kmplayer(which uses mplayer)11:35
psycho_oreosthere's smplayer as well11:36
`Ika_Musumewell 99% doesnt play if i keep it mkv though11:36
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RobbieThe1stkmplayer ought to play it provided the video/audio codecs are in place11:37
psycho_oreosI think it also heavily depends on the resolution/quality of the mkv11:37
RobbieThe1stmkv's just a container, and mplayer understands that11:37
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psycho_oreosif you were going to play blueray ripped movies for example of course it won't play, its too demanding11:37
DocScrutinizeror would you prefer WinNT?!.html11:37
`Ika_Musumelol nah there is 480 p encodes11:37
`Ika_Musumeif it only was able to play them11:38
`Ika_Musumei havnt to re encode11:38
DocScrutinizer(watch the clock!)11:38
`Ika_Musumethey say its able to play h264 but  i havnt been able to play mkv baseline h26411:40
`Ika_Musumeonly as mpr11:40
RobbieThe1stWhat error do you get in the console?11:41
RobbieThe1stwhen you run "mplayer ./myvideo.mkv" or w/e11:41
`Ika_Musumeunable to play format11:41
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`Ika_Musumewell i load it basicly with mplayer not via xterm11:42
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RobbieThe1stRun it via the terminal if you want to get any -meaningful- error datsa11:43
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`Ika_Musumehumm so if its in .video how do i load it?11:43
RobbieThe1stcd ./MyDocs/.video/11:44
RobbieThe1stthen mplayer ./whatever11:44
RobbieThe1stnote that tab autocompletes11:44
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`Ika_Musumekk gonna try an 704x40011:45
`Ika_Musumedownloadin onee11:45
DocScrutinizeractually it's been this one where you should watch the clock, to not lose your timing11:49
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MohammadAGwho uses x64 windows 7 here?11:53
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`Ika_Musumetab? n900  have one?11:55
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RobbieThe1stMohammadAG: I have a copy installed on my laptop, why?11:56
MohammadAGRobbieThe1st, can you check if you have odbc32.dll v 6.7600.16385?11:56
MohammadAGI'm kinda desperate now :/11:56
RobbieThe1stEh, sure11:56
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`Ika_Musumedoesnt play t.t12:01
RobbieThe1st                                                      MohammadAG From windows/system32 or windows/syswow64 ?12:03
RobbieThe1stOoh, I wonder what happened there...?12:03
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MohammadAGWindows/system32 afaik12:04
RobbieThe1stNot sure the fersion; I cbf actually running windows12:05
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MohammadAGRobbieThe1st, thanks, that's the version I need, but it didn't solve the problem :/12:08
RobbieThe1stDarn. Any other files?12:09
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MohammadAGI'm not really sure :/12:11
* MohammadAG attempts to reboot12:12
RobbieThe1stLet me know if you do; I've got the laptop handy now.12:12
achipaX-Fade: X-Fade_ ping12:12
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MohammadAGachipa, friday = weekend = he might not pong :p12:14
achipawell then no mobility 1.2 for a while :S12:14
achipafor some reasons it 'forgets' to publish it, even thought apparently the build went fine (I get the OK mail and the build dirs have the debs...)12:15
achipaanyone with similar issues ?12:15
RobbieThe1stIt did it to me last night12:16
RobbieThe1stI built another build today and that worked fine :\12:16
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achipaI would normally retry myself, it's just that uploading tens of megs through proxy hell is not fun...12:18
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RobbieThe1stachipa: That's what access to a VPS + ssh is for. :P12:20
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achipawell, if ssh worked well, I could just dput it ;)12:21
RobbieThe1stHuh... what's wrong?12:21
MohammadAGRobbieThe1st, is the file in syswow64 different?12:21
RobbieThe1stUm... No clue.12:22
RobbieThe1stwant me to check?12:22
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MohammadAGif you can12:23
_kehow do you guys sync your n900 with evolution?12:23
MohammadAGI might just give up and reinstall windows12:23
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al_0where I can find the buzilla skin you guys use for maemo?12:25
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RobbieThe1stMohammadAG:  the SysWOW64 copy is 565248b; the System32 copy is 712704b.12:28
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RobbieThe1stFor the WOW64 one12:29
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al_0X-Fade: thanks :)12:30
X-Fadeal_0: bugs project at garage.12:30
MohammadAGRobbieThe1st, THANKS!12:31
RobbieThe1stIt worked?12:31
MohammadAGyep :D12:31
MohammadAGone more question, by any chance, do you have windows live essentials installed?12:31
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RobbieThe1stThough it's slightly out-of-date thanks to it deciding my copy of Windows was not genuine the last time I booted it up(about a month ago)12:34
MohammadAGthe installer keeps saying UXcore.dll is missing12:36
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RobbieThe1stLets see12:38
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RobbieThe1stNope; "UXcore.dll" doesn't seem to exist my my Windows partition12:39
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MohammadAGC:\Program Files (X86)\Windows Live is where it should be afaik12:40
RobbieThe1stNope; no Windows Live folder here12:41
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MohammadAGanyway, thanks, you were a big help :)12:42
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jonwilMy N900 is now in the process of being fixed by Nokia Care12:47
jonwilHopefully fixing whatever is causing the non-working indicator LED will not be complicated12:48
jonwilThey gave me an estimate of "2-3 days" so hopefully it will be ready Monday or Tuesday12:48
psycho_oreosdid you also made sure to backup yer important data?12:48
kerio>end delete it from the n90012:49
jonwilyes I did12:49
jonwilI backed up everything from the phone12:49
jonwilI didn't delete anything12:49
keriothe nokia engineers are now fapping on your $SO's nude pics12:49
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jonwilI dont have any pictures on my phone except whatever it came with12:50
jonwiland some pictures of cars as my wallpapers12:50
keriothey are fapping on the cars pictures then12:50
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jonwilwell the Nokia Care website says "phone collected and awaiting analysis by a nokia technician" so they dont appear to have looked at it yet (which makes sense given that they are the only place in the state doing warranty repairs for Nokia handsets)12:59
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jonwilso now I am phoneless for the next few days until its fixed13:02
psycho_oreosI suppose you might be able to bug them through some public phone :)13:04
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mecehey how do I send a dbus call from xterm? Would like to do MCE_ENABLE_VIBRATOR13:20
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jonwilI dont need to bug them, I will get an email when they are done13:21
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mecehmm perhaps something like dbus-send --system --print-reply /com/nokia/mce/request
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meceahaa. The correct one is dbus-send --system --print-reply /com/nokia/mce/request
DocScrutinizernot exactly13:34
meceyes exactly13:35
DocScrutinizerdbus-send --system --print-reply /com/nokia/mce/request string:PatternIncomingCall13:36
DocScrutinizerreq_vibrator_enable is doing just this: it *enables* the vibrator, but doesn't start it13:36
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keriolisten to DocScrutinizer, he knows his shit13:37
meceDocScrutinizer, and what did I ask?13:37
mece"Would like to do MCE_ENABLE_VIBRATOR" Is what I said.13:37
DocScrutinizerwhatever MCE_ENABLE_VIBRATOR might be13:38
DocScrutinizerlooks like a kernel_config13:38
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jonwilMCE_ENABLE_VIBRATOR is a #define in the mce-dev package13:39
jonwiland is #defined to req_vibrator_enable13:39
mecethe example here:
mececauses vibrator to be disabled on shutdown, regardless if it was enabled when the program started.13:40
meceand I used said example in an application13:40
meceand it caused problems13:41
meceand I wanted to enable my vibrator without having to restart the phone13:41
mecefixed the bug though :) (Just removed the enable/disable bits, since it should comply to the silence bits.13:41
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DocScrutinizersounds simple enough13:44
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DocScrutinizerand we learnt "don't use poorly written and/or documented examples" :-)13:46
meceyeah, I did it in a hurry.13:48
mecethe example is fairly obvious, but I left in the enable bit for some reason. Guess I figured it was required to get that thing started.13:49
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meceI really need to get this thing packed up and sent to devel13:54
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alteregoOh, this is awesome :D13:55
mecealterego, what is?13:55
alteregoQGraphicsView + OpenGL + QWidgets13:56
alteregoIt works on the N900 :D13:56
alteregoAllows for transparent widget overlays ontop or below an OpenGL (ES) rendered scene13:56
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meceis this news?13:57
alteregoWell, no, but it's the first time I've played with it :)13:58
mece(I agree that it's awesome)13:58
mecewhat are you making?13:58
alteregoI'm working on a "next gen" UX for my app Columbus.13:58
mecein 3d?13:58
meceinteresting thing about qt apps13:59
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alteregoThis is all for v2, (still need to release v1) v2 will have desktop, maemo and meego UX14:00
alteregoMaybe Symbian if I can get my hands on a recent Symbian device.14:00
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DocScrutinizerinteresting how one half of N900 users is complaining about sluggish OS and fscks up the hw by OC, while another half is developing 3D GUIs and media players that distort album art just for fun and to annoy those who think the original was nice enough and just barely legible without any further distortion crippling it14:05
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: you think my UI is distorted?14:06
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alteregomece: what's interesting about Qt apps? :P14:06
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DocScrutinizerI think I've seen album cover art distorted in some screenshots of that new mediaplayer14:07
alteregoOh, and you don't like it?14:07
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mceplandre900: what is the current thinking on ... I went through the second pair of Nokia headphones and I don't feel like buying the third pair.14:45
povbotBug 9237: Nokia's supplied wired earphone no longer detected after flashing14:45
mceplIs it basically hopeless and I should buy Bluetooth or USB (does it exist?) ones?14:45
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andre__mcepl: I don't have a current thinking on that15:03
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MohammadAGmcepl, uh, broken headset?15:06
MohammadAGflashing doesn't alter hardware15:06
mceplMohammadAG: broken SECOND headset (this one stayed two weeks before being broken)15:07
SpeedEvilmcepl: Sure it's not a dodgy socket?15:07
mcepland yes dmesg shows that system recognizes connecting and disconnecting it15:07
mceplother headphoens work15:07
MohammadAGthen you're breaking the mic15:08
MohammadAGalterego, cool15:08
alteregoMohammadAG: looks good doesn't it :)15:08
alteregoI just copied the graphics engine code into a new project and copied that columbus widget into the new project15:09
MohammadAGalterego, yeah, although I have no idea what it is :P15:09
alteregoCreated a new rendering "canvas" for my graphics engine and it allows me to overlay standard Qt widgets ontop of the scene.15:09
mceplMohammadAG: could you elaborate on "breaking the mic"? Other headphones work with this N900 and these headphones work elsewhere. What am I breaking?15:09
MohammadAGthe piece with the mic15:10
MohammadAGif the headset has a mic, the N900 does some checks which I don't know about15:10
MohammadAGI know this, cause I broke mine15:10
MohammadAGif you use another plug in between the headset, it'll work, mic won't though, because of the absence of the 4th pin15:11
psycho_oreosso that audio jack is even more flaky compared to n95? heh15:12
mcepllovely ...15:14
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, no15:15
MohammadAGthe software to detect a headset is15:15
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, o.O I was about to say, nokia producing delicate hardwares too now :) oh well I guess its the software side as usual for mameo15:16
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, kernel detects the kernel, but that thing that detects the mic is causing problems15:16
alteregoThere's a check to decide whether it's an a/v lead or headset when there's four poles.15:17
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, yeah I was reading up on the bug report15:17
alteregoAnd I think that's handled by a resistor.15:17
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, meh, I don't read bug reports, I vote on important ones :P15:18
psycho_oreosand tlol15:18
MohammadAGalterego, yeah, and software15:18
psycho_oreoss/and tlol/lol/15:18
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: lol15:18
MohammadAGthough DocScrutinizer knows more about this15:18
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ping, I need UI suggestions for hostmode :P15:18
* DocScrutinizer yawns15:18
alteregoNext I need to integrate Qml widgets into my new columbus ux15:19
psycho_oreosthe old n95 prompted asking if the plugged in device was either a headset or tv-stand. I used to tinker on that hours on end plugging and unplugging repetitively15:19
alteregoWell, I should probably finish v1, first, :D15:19
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you remember 26. ? shall I pastebin the chanlog of #mhd?15:19
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, that's not the point15:19
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: or is there some other problem with suggestions?15:19
MohammadAGshould I make the widgets scrollable in the UI15:19
MohammadAGshould I get rid of buttons, etc15:19
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you don't know of a nice N900-borne rapid prototyping tool for qt GUI?15:21
MohammadAGI'm thinking of dumping the numbers15:21
mceplI am not sure I understand what you are saying ... when I plug in headphones, NOTHING works, not only mic, nothing. By "using different plugin" you mean using some conversion to headphone micless jack?15:21
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MohammadAGplug the headset into a female to male adapter, and plug the male end in the N90015:22
MohammadAGthe headphone will work, the mic won't15:22
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DocScrutinizeralterego: it's handled by resistance of third contact from tip to GND15:22
Funnyfacehmm, yeah how's the progress with USB host mode? working yet?15:22
MohammadAGthen getting rid of the title15:22
mceplMohammadAG: will try15:22
DocScrutinizerdunno about video/AV, either it's 1k, or 10k15:23
Funnyfacebrilliant :P15:24
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Funnyfacenext step is charging + USB host at the same time then I guess. lol'15:25
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DocScrutinizerFunnyface: eh?15:25
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Funnyfacewell they already made the impossible possible so why not? ^^15:25
MohammadAGFunnyface, already done15:25
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: see this very thread, my 3rd last post15:26
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DocScrutinizerit's basically as simple as boostoff; charger;15:27
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I don't get it. Did you ignore my suggestions for this version, or was I fuzzy as always?15:28
FunnyfaceI can imagine someone plugging in a TV, and a USB hub with all sorts of USB devices hooked up to it ^^15:28
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, hmm, no, you weren't15:29
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, just lemme check up on everything15:29
MohammadAGspeed detection can be auto by jrbme15:29
Funnyfacemouse, keyboard, printer, USB NIC15:29
MohammadAGso I need to have auto manual = high/full/low, right?15:29
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: upper left: "speed" -> like clicking system menu-profile15:29
alteregoN8 has bluetooth 3 doesn't it?15:29
MohammadAGalterego, yes15:30
MohammadAG295kbps between the laptop and the N815:30
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: upper right: vbus, same thing, just (on, assisted, manually)15:30
alteregocool, lets hope N9 has it :)15:30
MohammadAGit does :P15:30
alteregoYes I forgot you had one :P15:30
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DocScrutinizeron selecting assisted or manually, a second menu pops up to select Ampere to charge15:30
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ah, so not a radio button like the one in the screenshot above15:31
alteregoGot a couple of new (small) app ideas, gonna this time do an Ovi release.15:31
MohammadAGalterego, fart apps?15:31
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: middle: one large button "START"15:31
Funnyfaceis the phone capable of supplying 500mA btw?15:32
alteregoFunnyface: no15:32
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alteregoI thought 250?15:32
MohammadAG5V @ 200mA15:32
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MohammadAGyou mixed both numbers15:32
alteregoOr I'm mixing up OTG spec ;)15:32
MohammadAGisn't OTG spec 20mA?15:33
alteregoHow is jrbme coming along?15:33
MohammadAGI might be wrong15:33
DocScrutinizersitting here, reading manpages15:33
MohammadAGbut the N8 doesn't charge the N90015:33
alteregoI seriously want usb host + charging15:33
DocScrutinizerand helping MohammadAG to specify the GUI for it15:33
MohammadAGactually, it does, for some time, then the N900 shows Not Charging15:33
DocScrutinizermeanwhile coding every now and then15:33
DocScrutinizerwell "coding"15:33
* MohammadAG tries to get concept up15:34
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* alterego wonders how safe strobing the flashlight would be15:35
DocScrutinizerOTG spec is like 8mA iirc15:35
DocScrutinizerfor certain operation modes15:35
DocScrutinizerotherwise unspecified15:35
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DocScrutinizeralterego: for your eyes? NOT15:36
MohammadAGin flashlight mode, it shouldn't be bad15:36
MohammadAGI guess15:36
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DocScrutinizerflashlight mode (aka 50mA) is ok15:36
MohammadAGalterego, VU flashlight?15:37
DocScrutinizeryou mustn't use flash mode (300mA?)15:37
MohammadAGthen make a motor controlled colour overlay changer15:37
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MohammadAGthen we can have a mini disco ball15:37
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DocScrutinizerthe fire a few USB rockets with glitter15:38
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alteregoYeah, might try that, would be interested to know how fast I can make it strobe (in flashlight mode)15:41
DocScrutinizertoo fast15:41
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, so something like ?15:41
MohammadAGalterego, enough to make a bat start using columbus15:42
DocScrutinizeralterego: if you want to kill the LED, then try how fast it goes15:42
alteregoDocScrutinizer: heh15:42
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alteregoIt's a bad idea I know15:42
MohammadAGthere's an app for it on symbian actually15:42
SpeedEvilEnsure a duty cycle of ~1/10th or so at full power, and you should be OK15:42
alteregoBut Symbian has a strobe app ^.^15:42
SpeedEvilThe driver does not protect from multiple sequential flashes with a duty cycle approaching 100%15:43
SpeedEvilyou can kill it15:43
MohammadAGwould that get me arrested?15:43
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, fyi, it's ugly atm15:43
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: almost- just for the layout: move the Ampere button first row, and make vbus and ampere bot 1/4 width15:43
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DocScrutinizermaybe make the start button square and ¿¿red??, and left aligned. and use the right huge empty space for status textscroll15:45
MohammadAGso like this? (it's very ugly tbh :P)15:46
DocScrutinizernot 1/3 1/3 1/3. I thought like 1/2, 5/16, 3/1615:47
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alteregoWeird, I just did a ctrl+n expecting it to automatically open a new contact page from the desktop15:51
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BCMMoh wow @ the topic... "Problem is I have absolutely no backup of my data."15:56
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BCMMon an overclocked device...15:57
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BCMMDocScrutinizer: pardon me for picking up on the end of a conversation, but was what is and isn't safe for the flash LED being discussed?15:59
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BCMM(i'm in the process of trying to write an app to play around with fcam, and want to know if it's possible for an error to damage anything16:00
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BCMMis there a wiki page or something documenting what it's OK to ask the flash to do? is fcam in fact capable of doing bad things to it?16:03
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: there's a max duration for flash of iirc 0.5s. Alas they haven't specified on/off ratio. But I guess flashing every second for 0.5s will rapidly overheat and kill the diodes16:05
BCMMDocScrutinizer: max duration enforced by? hardware? fcam?16:05
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BCMMand are you basically saying that nobody knows how many times you can fire consecutively without ruining something?16:06
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BCMMis it even capable of firing like that? it doesn't use a capacitor to get taht much current or anything?16:06
DocScrutinizerBCMM: I dunno what fcam can or cant do to flash. But iirc the flash driver chip itself has a timer to limit flash duration. But no heat shutoff or long term on-time counter16:06
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: max duration enforced by driver comment :-D16:07
BCMMDocScrutinizer: i meant, can the hardware really fire again that soon, or is there a cap to recharge?16:07
BCMMDocScrutinizer: "driver comment"?16:07
DocScrutinizerno cap to recharge16:07
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> not 1/3 1/3 1/3. I thought like 1/2, 5/16, 3/1616:08
MohammadAGI didn't get that16:08
DocScrutinizeryou can fire flash like 10/s runing it in 3s16:08
BCMMsorry, not quite sure i understood that16:08
BCMMon, 10 times a second?16:08
BCMMah, so people have actually ruined them then?16:08
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: speed button 50% width, vbus 30%, Amp 20%16:09
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: not afaik16:09
BCMManyway, there basically isn't data on what is safe?16:09
DocScrutinizerno, just a comment in driver source16:10
DocScrutinizerplus empiric data from SpeedEvil16:10
BCMMDocScrutinizer: oh, you mean there is a comment in the driver source saying "don't fire for me than .5s even though this driver will support that"?16:10
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DocScrutinizersomething along that line16:11
BCMMi should probably just read it myself... where can i get said source?16:11
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DocScrutinizererr, maybe wiki has a pointer, under LEDs or sth16:11
magnus_im considering getting a n900 for some development and to use as my everyday phone. i read that maemo is not actively developed anymore, and that meegoo is the new thing. will meegoo run on n900 without any obvious downsides (same battery life, same performance, same functionality etc)16:12
BCMMSpeedEvil: "Ensure a duty cycle of ~1/10th or so at full power" - does that mean "full power one-tenth of the time"?16:12
DocScrutinizerI doubt it16:12
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DocScrutinizermagnus_: anyway for now that's defnitely not given16:13
RST38hmagnus: google? =)16:13
DocScrutinizerBCMM: yes16:13
* RST38h hides16:13
magnus_RST38h, well, i found n900 as "supported hw" on meego homepage. but it doesn't really say how well it works now16:13
RST38hDoc: actually, do we have a relevant wiki extract in the bot somewhere?16:13
BCMMoh, that isn't bad at all16:13
BCMMthat'd almost be usable for strobe photography, with extreme caution16:14
magnus_so, does anyone here run meego on n900? and whats your experience with it? (using it as your primary phone)16:14
DocScrutinizerRST38h: ??16:14
BCMManyone know if fcam supports low-power flashes?16:14
RST38hDoc: the bot responds to certain keywords with their definitions16:14
kovmagnus_, I booted it after installing in a micro sd card, it was completely unusable in its current state16:14
RST38hDoc: I was hoping it includes basic information on the state of N900 Meego16:15
DocScrutinizer~listkeys meego16:15
infobotFactoid search of 'meego' by key (6): meego-obsolete ;; meego-kernel-contrib ;; meego-n900 ;; haveameegomeeting ;; meego ;; smeegol.16:15
kovthere was a new release since I believe, so ymmv I guess16:15
dm8tbrI hear the new SGX driver should be in soon16:15
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infobot[meego-n900] grab image from (meego-handset-armv7l-n900) and follow
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infoboti heard meego is an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices16:16
infobotsomebody said maemo-obsolete was
DocScrutinizer~literal meego-obsolete16:17
infobot"meego-obsolete" is "<reply>see maemo-obsolete"16:17
DocScrutinizer~factinfo meego-obsolete16:17
infobotmeego-obsolete -- created by DocScrutinizer <~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Sun Apr 25 05:57:05 2010 (278 days); it has been requested once, last by RST38h, 56s ago.16:17
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DocScrutinizer~forget meego-obsolete16:17
infobotDocScrutinizer: i forgot meego-obsolete16:17
RST38hmagnus_ you want to read the thread at <DocScrutinizer> ~literal meego-obsolete16:17
magnus_how much of the hardware in n900 is proprietary?16:18
RST38hmagnus_ you want to read the thread at
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DocScrutinizermagnus_: errr16:18
DocScrutinizermagnus_: define proprietary16:18
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magnus_closed source, no datasheets16:19
DocScrutinizerhmm, almost nothing16:19
DocScrutinizermodem for sure16:19
DocScrutinizerBT, WiFi16:19
RST38hwifi is standard afaik16:20
RST38himagetech openvr16:20
MohammadAG DocScrutinizer like this?16:20
DocScrutinizermagnus_: :nod: gpu as well I think16:21
* RST38h cackles, whispering "every extra button added to this gui doubles the opportunity for a lemming to get it wrong"16:21
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: :-D16:21
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MohammadAGsure that's what you want? :P16:22
DocScrutinizerRST38h: that's the reason why we reduce their number16:22
MohammadAGBecause switching to QMaemo5ValueButtons will be an arse to implement16:22
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: for first row of buttons yes16:22
MohammadAG(and I liked the one click radio buttons :P)16:22
RST38hDoc: No way to leave just one? Or make it a background daemon with no UI?16:22
alteregoMohammadAG: ping me later and I'll sketch a UI for you :P16:23
fluxrst38h, it doesn't have to, really. the trick is to have the buttons do nothing!16:23
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you won't manage to find space for what I call radiobuttons, for this number of alternatives16:23
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I will, I already added scrolling support :P16:24
MohammadAGscroll down for more options16:24
DocScrutinizerRST38h: nope, we need to select if we want vbus boost or charging. And I'm not sure auto-speed will ever pan out right16:24
MohammadAGlike applets in Settings16:24
MohammadAG(like the phone settings app for example)16:25
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: so we would need to have start button on top, and radio buttons at bottom - no good idea16:25
MohammadAGor radio buttons at top, and start button on bottom16:25
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magnus_DocScrutinizer, ok, so we are not free to compile any kernel we want on the N900? we must use a certain version and then bring in a few pre-compiled kernel module binaries?16:25
DocScrutinizeryou'd need to scroll to hit start. unbearable16:25
MohammadAGthese are radio buttons btw
MohammadAGI could make "Start" always visible16:26
MohammadAGand the parts in between scrollable16:26
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that sounds really ugly and clumsy now. But it you think it can't be implemented otherwise16:27
MohammadAGI just think the current concept is not hildon-y16:28
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DocScrutinizermeh, why not? click system-menu -> connections16:29
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RST38hMeanwhile: A study (abstract) from Penn State shows that a lot of teachers  some 60 percent  are reluctant to teach evolutionary theory in the classroom either because they fear controversy or they just aren't comfortable with the material (as not every biology teacher was a science major).16:30
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DocScrutinizeror "new contact" "handy"16:31
MohammadAGI was also thinking or getting rid of the title + help button16:31
MohammadAGtitle is window title, help button can be in menu16:31
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: or "new contact" "mobile"16:31
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: agreed16:31
RST38hMohammad, Doc: there is a special kind of button in Maemo5 that has a title and a subtitle. You can use it as a toggle button, if needed16:32
RST38hNot sure if it is going to be hildony enough to you, but many builtin apps seem to use these buttons16:32
DocScrutinizerthe field type tags in "new contact" are exactly what I think we need here16:33
RST38hneed a code sample?16:33
DocScrutinizerit's mohammad doing the wizardry16:33
RST38hok, I guess he will be able to find it16:34
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DocScrutinizerthe whole idea is h-e-n GUI is usually a one-click thing, as setup for speed and vbus is persistent16:34
MohammadAGthe new contact thing is QMaemo5ValueButton16:35
RST38hany reason for doing this little dialog in qt?16:36
MohammadAGyeah, MeeGo :P16:36
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RST38hMohammad: Do you understand that Meego is not going to have QMaemo5* classes?16:39
MohammadAGobviously lol16:40
MohammadAGa reason I want to go with radio buttons16:40
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DocScrutinizermeh, open a new screen with a flock of buttons then16:42
DocScrutinizerin meego16:43
DocScrutinizerfsck meego16:43
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kodomo_DocScrutinizer: cool! thx for the link :) ; Is there something like a project page? I think you folks might save yourselves from a lot of annoying questions by perhaps linking the most informative posts in a sort of overview-webpage - given the turn from 'hostmode won't ever work' to 'might eventually work/will soon work' to 'working' there's a lot of clutter making it hard to figure out the state of this :)16:44
rlinfatihi, i install uboot-pr13 in my n900; now without a sdcard if i configure a alarm in maemo and poweroff the phone, this not poweon.... is normal? is a bug of uboot-pr13 ?16:44
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kodomo_DocScrutinizer: context was: h-e-n charging question ;)16:45
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MohammadAGdotblank, is groove broken?17:00
dotblankis it?17:01
dotblanklet me17:01
MohammadAGreturns 0 results17:01
MohammadAGbut no errors in stderr/out17:01
dotblankthats oodd17:01
dotblanklooks like they changed something17:02
MohammadAGi'm guessing you could figure it out :P17:03
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dotblankI think they updated a client version string17:05
dotblankugh more wireshark needed17:05
MohammadAGlol no API?17:05
dotblankits all reversed engineered17:06
MohammadAGgood job I guess17:06
MohammadAGI thought there was an API17:06
dotblankmeh.. its pretty ugly code17:06
dotblankwell there is17:06
dotblankbut its lame and requires keys and the like17:06
dotblankI use the internal API and it acts like the webclient17:07
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TsuyoHey, does someone also have this Menu at the right top ?17:15
TsuyoIt opens when i shake my phone a bi17:15
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makulkarhow to capture ipdump from n900? any tool?18:05
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DocScrutinizer51wtf ipdump?18:16
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makulkarSpeedEvil, http logs, incoming/outgoing. Are you sayin ipdump itself a tool or something? :)18:21
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alteregoDocScrutinizer51: tcpdump?18:21
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makulkaralterego, so I install tcpdump on my n900 and start it in background then try my use case?18:21
alteregoAre you using an N900 today?18:22
makulkaralterego, yes for a change :)18:22
alteregoGood ;)18:22
DocScrutinizer51makulkar: check wireshark/tshark18:22
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makulkarDocScrutinizer51: ah I dint know they run on n900! will try that as well18:23
alteregomakulkar: they do, but it's a bit fiddly, I'd use tcpdump then load the logs in wireshark on your desktop18:23
makulkaralterego, ah ok.. I see tcpdump running, I just redirect the output to a cap file?18:24
alteregomakulkar: exactly, then you can view/analyse that file in wireshark on a desktop :)18:25
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mc_teoso, hey there19:21
mc_teojust wondering which board would be best for showing some code19:21
mc_teolike poc code19:22
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jhbhi *. there is a maemo-geolocation and a microb-geolocation - which one should I use?20:21
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RST38hmoo lcuk20:27
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RST38hhmm...massive lcuk attack20:32
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marnaneloh, I meant to ask about this last night... in scratchbox, my libtool is sticking an X in front of every line of its input so nothing works. It's quite weird. I can show you pastebin if you'd like. Is this a known issue?20:55
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wjtmarnanel: hey, i've had that. outside scratchbox. can't remember what i tracked it down to :(20:58
marnanel:( thanks anyway20:58
wjti think it was some kind of autogoats version mismatch20:59
marnanel(It seems to be a regex called Xsed which is going haywire and applying in places it's not supposed to. But I don't know how I'd begin to go about fixing that without pulling autotools to pieces.)20:59
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* marnanel asks on #gnome-hackers and is told "Yeah, I've seen that, I work around it by building all my makefiles by hand"21:04
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marnanelOh lovely.21:04
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makulkari'm writing a video player and while  playing a video phone screensaver comes up.. how do i disable it? any API?22:00
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Funnyfacehas anyone tried that game gripper for the N900 available from here?
FunnyfaceI am thinking of getting one, not because I need it that much, but simply because it looks awesome..22:55
Funnyface here's a video of it22:56
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compengihello all, i'm impressed by nokia n900. i don't have it yet, but i'm very impressed by the phone and and it's OS. but i have one thing disturbing my head. i was told that nokia dropped support and development for maemo, this means it's only community support now? how about further development, software updates and bug fixes?23:01
makulkar compengi it will stil lbe there.. it will be called meego23:02
luke-jrcompengi: you can't be impressed until you have it.23:03
luke-jrmakulkar: MeeGo isn't supported on N90023:03
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ShadowJKactually it's also becomiing hard to acquire N90023:03
luke-jrcompengi: if history says anything, N900 won't get any further development, except for some fraction of community stuff23:03
alteregomakulkar: I replied to your question in #MeeGo23:03
Funnyfacethere are unofficial meego and android ports for it afaik, but I haven't tested them myself23:04
luke-jrcompengi: also, since Maemo is mostly closed source, the community *can't* support the OS23:04
luke-jrFunnyface: keyword: unofficial23:04
compengiluke-jr, i've seen many videos from and was very impressed, actually i've been looking for video from youtube few days already23:04
Funnyfacemy experience with ports like that is that not all the hardware will work properly, and that trying to get it working with your own language and keyboard layout turns out to be much harder than expected23:05
compengivery very sad :/23:05
luke-jrcompengi: for example, N8x0 has basically been dead and bitrotting at fast pace since N900 was released23:05
ShadowJKThe meego port is actually done mostly by people paid by nokia23:05
luke-jrhowever, unlike N8x0, N900 *does* have 90% of hardware drivers open23:05
luke-jrso *replacing* Maemo is possible23:05
makulkarluke-jr, I saw some thread/blog about n900 running meego?23:06
compengiwhy nokia dropped support for the os?23:06
luke-jrmakulkar: if you like CLI :p23:06
luke-jrcompengi: because Nokia does that.23:06
alteregoNothing has replaced the N900 yet23:06
Funnyfacecommercial purposes23:06
compengialterego, exactly23:06
luke-jrcompengi: they see no financial gain to continuing support23:06
alteregoAnd unlike the N8x0 and 770 the N900 is powerful enough to have a _bit_ more longevity23:07
ShadowJKcompengi, their idea is that when it meets the specs (which are secret and stupid), it's done and completed and time to work on next thing23:07
FunnyfaceI'd be happy if they'd just release an official meego ROM to be honest23:07
compengiluke-jr, this os could have replaced symbian probably23:07
mikki-kuncompengi: not totally, people usually don't like it to have their OS 'open' *pointing at iphone and all the other closed roms of android*23:08
luke-jrcompengi: Maemo isn't a phone OS. Symbian is.23:08
luke-jrcompengi: they don't really compete.23:08
luke-jrShadowJK: Maemo N900 never met the specs23:08
luke-jrShadowJK: it can't record DVD quality video23:08
ShadowJKDepends which dvd mastering studio you compare with :-)23:09
compengibut n900 with maemo could complete iphone23:09
alteregomikki-kun: that's bullshit, people don't care23:09
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luke-jrno DVD video has dropped frames all over23:09
luke-jrcompengi: no. again, iPhone is a phone SO23:10
mikki-kunalterego: they care if it reads iphone =p23:10
alteregomikki-kun: or if they do it's way to early to tell. especially considering Android (open) is open.23:10
ShadowJKluke-jr, yes they do, I have fixed videos like that from DVDs I've bought :-)23:10
luke-jrShadowJK: …23:10
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luke-jrcompengi: if you expect N900/Mameo to be a phone, you will be sorely disappointed when you get it23:11
compengiluke-jr, even with the features on maemo?23:11
mikki-kunalterego: well, it might be 'open', but there are still firmware which is closed source and even some android phonemakers won't show the source of the ROMs...23:11
compengiluke-jr, i don't23:11
luke-jrcompengi: people who buy iPhones want a phone.23:11
compengibut i would like it to be a continues project23:11
luke-jrcompengi: you realize N900 doesn't have 1 GB RAM, right?23:12
mikki-kunluke-jr: hey, it is more of a phone than anything else... you can have several sip-accounts and skype running while using your 3g-dataplan and receive phone calls23:12
compengiluke-jr, not really. people who buy iphone want a game console23:12
compengii haven't seen someone using iphone for calling23:12
compengiweb surfing and gaming23:13
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compengithat's all what they do23:13
luke-jrcompengi: you realize N900 doesn't have 1 GB RAM, right?23:13
compengiiphone does?23:13
ShadowJKUsually it happens when their source has been VFR and then at some point mastered for NTSC, they tend to just drop frames for PAL sometimes, which more or less gets you half the lines from a random frame and other half of the lines from another frame..23:13
luke-jrcompengi: no, but Nokia claims N900 does implicitly23:13
luke-jrcompengi: N900 ships with 256 MB RAM + 768 MB swap23:14
luke-jrcompengi: Maemo is so bloated that it *requires* that swap or it won't even boot.23:14
ShadowJKmine boots fine :)23:14
compengiluke-jr, who buys iphone doesn't want to know what's in it23:15
ShadowJKswap use is at 0 right after boot23:15
compengiit's all about a cool phone i guess23:15
luke-jrcompengi: for comparison, KDE on N900 uses less memory than Maemo ;)23:15
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alteregomikki-kun: don't run back on your argument, you were just saying people prefered closed.23:16
alteregoMake you mind up ffs23:16
compengiluke-jr, i'm very disappointed that maemo development stopped23:16
compengidoes it lack features that they didn't develop?23:17
ShadowJKsure, it lacks alot of crap people want23:17
MrBawbthere are always more features that people want, the question is more: are there features you need or can get elsewhere23:17
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luke-jrcompengi: I think MMS is a big one23:18
compengii don't mean that, i've read earlier about drivers23:18
compengiaren't they all developed?23:18
ShadowJKlike 3g video calls (which do not exist outside europe), 3g media sharing, ptt and all sorts of gsm/3g protocols :P23:18
luke-jrcompengi: there is no "developed"23:18
luke-jrcompengi: software always requires maintenance.23:18
luke-jrfor example, like cars.23:19
ShadowJKyou could always improve things...23:19
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* ShadowJK has been planning to add that automatic frequency hop feature to fmtx driver23:19
ShadowJKsometimes 2022 when i find free time23:19
luke-jrcompengi: the big one is the 3D acceleration driver23:19
luke-jrcompengi: nobody who can maintain it, cares to23:19
compengiluke-jr, wow23:20
compengiand very sad23:20
nox-fmtx auto freq hop?  how is the receiver supposed to know the new freq?23:20
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ShadowJKnox-, rds23:20
nox-nice idea23:21
luke-jrcompengi: because the only ones who can maintain it are ImgTec and Nokia, and neither see a way to make money doing it23:21
luke-jrnor do they see a reason to let someone else23:21
ShadowJKand their current version doesn't work with maemo's kernel or xorg..23:22
luke-jrShadowJK: what current version? O.o23:22
ShadowJK(and performance is probably still sucky in their current version)23:22
* luke-jr wasn't aware ImgTec maintained any platform-neutral binaries23:23
ShadowJKthe one in meego23:23
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luke-jrI suppose MeeGo's drivers might be platform-netural to a degree23:23
luke-jrso long as ImgTec doesn't abandon the older gfx chipset23:23
ShadowJKthere's a "board config" file apparently. probably a compile time option for the closed source driver23:24
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alteregoluke-jr: what does imgtec have to do with ia32 architecture?23:29
alteregoOr nVidia mobile chipsets?23:29
luke-jralterego: you tell me23:29
alteregoWhere's your "driver independence" there?23:30
luke-jrI was talking about N90023:30
alteregoOh, really.23:30
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alteregoNokia have sgx sources doesn't directly have anything to do with imgtec tbh23:31
alteregoMore to do with TI afaik23:31
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Robot101alterego: the z-series atoms have an Intel GMA500 graphics core, which is actually an ImgTec PowerVR as well...23:32
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Robot101alterego: so, er, the same drivers could probably be made to work, and probably be better than Intel's :P23:32
compengiluke-jr, does it mean that they manufactured such a phone with all those features just for fun?23:32
luke-jrcompengi: just to sell i t.23:32
luke-jrcompengi: wait, what phone?23:33
alteregoRobot101: if you say so, but those aren't exactly in the meego spec23:33
alteregoMeeGo says GLES223:33
Robot101yes, it's a vendor decision how to achieve that23:33
alteregowho cares about device drivers along as they have that interface?23:33
luke-jralterego: anyone with a clue? :P23:34
alteregoluke-jr: m'hmm ...23:34
Robot101so MeeGo won't have drivers, Linux might (hahaha that'll be the day), people like Nokia or Intel or TI or whoever will have to provide them and bodge them in23:34
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alteregoRobot101: where's the bodge?23:34
compengiluke-jr, n900 of course23:35
alteregoYou make a device, you build drivers for the device. I think you're not clear about what MeeGo is ..23:35
luke-jrcompengi: N900 isn't a phone.23:35
compengiluke-jr, smartphone?23:35
Corsacmobile computer23:35
luke-jrcompengi: …no23:35
compengiluke-jr, even better23:35
luke-jrcompengi: yeah, except N900's keyboard sucks to type on23:36
compengiso why to manufacture such thing with so much hardware in it, for later to drop it's support and never even write the rest of the drivers23:36
GAN900luke-jr, not so bad.23:37
chxcompengi: you are trying to apply common sense to Nokia23:38
chxcompengi: now come on23:38
luke-jrGAN900: worse than N810, which is worse than C76023:38
alteregocompengi: what drivers are missing?23:38
luke-jrcompengi: because it makes a profit23:38
GAN900luke-jr, really? I can't stand the N810 keyboard.23:38
* alterego sighs23:38
luke-jrGAN900: after using N900, N810 seems like a dream23:38
GAN900I'm not in love with the N900 board, but it's pretty workable.23:38
luke-jrI hated N810's kb as long as it was my primary handheld23:39
* javispedro likes the N810 kb better too. 23:39
luke-jrbut now I've seen it can be much worse XD23:39
alteregoWeirdly, I find the N900 easier than the N900, but it seems to be 50/50 in peoples opinions23:39
javispedrobut I'm biased as the n810's is my regional layout while n900 is us.23:39
alteregojavispedro: well that's just silly :P23:39
alteregoYou're basing the keypad on the layout?23:40
javispedroobviously not :P23:40
ShadowJKBest keyboard was E70 :D23:42
chxcompengi: think of this, Nokia had it all. They produced to first smartphone which was not even called one. Their phones were coveted after. The Nokia 6210i is the best monochrome phone ever made. And so on. In the last 5-6 years they worked insanely hard to lose everything.23:43
ShadowJKAnd they had a brilliant marketing strategy to make people want their SUV-sized smartphone :)23:44
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chxhey it was less than half a kilo!23:44
pupnik_probable stolen N900
pupnik_anyone in germany missing one?23:45
ShadowJK(they gave them for free to people that sold actual SUVs and sports cars, so then people who saw the salespeople using those phones everyone wanted them as a penis extended, ignoring the silly size.. much like real SUVs) ;P23:45
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chxpupnik_: my german skills are rusty but doesnt it say original packaging just the charger is not original23:46
ShadowJKThe fans of that line of phones are still waiting for nokia to make the next communicator class device :P23:46
chxShadowJK: i never knew that23:46
ShadowJKThe first ones in that line has x86 CPUs too :P23:47
chxShadowJK: 38623:47
ShadowJKbefore they switched to symbian and arm23:47
chxShadowJK: and isnt the E7 the next?23:47
pupnik_it's a bit complicated - if anyone in the area has lost a n900 pm me23:47
compengipupnik_, why would make you think it's stolen23:47
pupnik_are you the seller compengi ?23:48
ShadowJKWhat happened to C6-01 anyway23:49
compengipupnik_, hehe, nope, just wondering23:49
* ShadowJK hasn't seen it anywhere for sale23:49
pupnik_compengi: at least google will match 'stolen n900' to that listing now, so my work is done23:52
compengigood point :D23:52
pupnik_kind of interesting :23:57
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javispedromore expensive than retail..23:59
* javispedro bets those are some bots at work23:59
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