| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, i'm trying to get metadata with the lib | 00:00 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG I used the lib before. but I wanted to make my app pure Qt | 00:00 |
| ArGGu^^ | still need to change the notification via dbus | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG | pure Qt and MAFW don't work :P | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG | what's your app? | 00:01 |
| ArGGu^^ | IrGGu irc client | 00:01 |
| ArGGu^^ | I have not put the code anywhere yet | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG | oh right | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG | forgot that :p | 00:02 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG bu do you have some problem using the lib? | 00:02 |
| ArGGu^^ | *but | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG | whenever I call getCurrentMetadata() in the wrapper, the app segfaults | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG | or was that getStatus()... | 00:02 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG here is my old class it worked just fine http://pastebin.com/SQi3EWvk | 00:04 |
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| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, this is the class I'm using atm, it doesn't seem to be sending anything right? http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafwrenderersignalhelper.cpp#line153 | 00:08 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG are you sure it find the rendered. Because some odd reason i never got any renderes with get_renderers | 00:15 |
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| ArGGu^^ | that why I used the signals renderer-added and renderer-removed | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, yeah, it works with the rest of the stuff | 00:15 |
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| ArGGu^^ | ok | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | but what's a GHashTable? | 00:16 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG what you mean what it is? | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | how do I handle it in Qt? | 00:19 |
| ArGGu^^ | well I do not think you can change in qt variable | 00:20 |
| ArGGu^^ | QString::QString(g_value_get_string(mafw_metadata_first(metadata, MAFW_METADATA_KEY_ARTIST))); | 00:20 |
| ArGGu^^ | but used it like that to get QString artist | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 00:21 |
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| nas_ | hello , I would like to play a sound from phone speakers , even bluetooth hands free is connected , any ideas how to do that ? I tried " gst-launch " but not sure how to put parameters ... | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, so g_value_get_string() get the value from a ghashtable? | 00:22 |
| ArGGu^^ | no | 00:22 |
| ArGGu^^ | mafw_metadata_first() | 00:22 |
| ArGGu^^ | first parameter is the ghastable | 00:22 |
| ArGGu^^ | *hash | 00:22 |
| ArGGu^^ | second is key | 00:22 |
| ArGGu^^ | it returns Gvalue | 00:22 |
| ArGGu^^ | and with g_value_get_string() you get string from Gvalue | 00:23 |
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| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, so umm | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | mafw_metadata_first(ghashtable, gvalue)? | 00:36 |
| ArGGu^^ | no | 00:37 |
| ArGGu^^ | mafw_metadata_first(ghashtable, key) | 00:37 |
| ArGGu^^ | the key is string o something like that | 00:37 |
| ArGGu^^ | wait I check | 00:37 |
| MohammadAG | and that returns a gvalue, which g_value_get_string converts to a char | 00:38 |
| ArGGu^^ | mafw_metadata_first (GHashTable *md, const gchar *key); | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | right? | 00:38 |
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| ArGGu^^ | yeah it returns GValue and g_value_get_string converts it | 00:39 |
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| ArGGu^^ | I don'αΊ— have clue what the gvalue is :S | 00:40 |
| ArGGu^^ | but you get string from it with g_value_get_string | 00:40 |
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| MohammadAG | cool | 00:44 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | QString artist = g_value_get_string(mafw_metadata_first(table, MAFW_METADATA_KEY_ARTIST)); | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | QString songName = g_value_get_string(mafw_metadata_first(table, MAFW_METADATA_KEY_NAME)); | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | QString album = g_value_get_string(mafw_metadata_first(table, MAFW_METADATA_KEY_ALBUM)); | 00:44 |
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| ArGGu^^ | you get lot of good information from there | 00:44 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG there is no MAFW_METADATA_KEY_NAME | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | thanks ArGGu^^ :D | 00:45 |
| ArGGu^^ | there is MAFW_METADATA_KEY_TITLE | 00:46 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah, just noticed that :) | 00:47 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if there's a way to get qDebug to write to stderr | 00:48 | |
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| ieatlint | qdebug defaults to stderr | 00:50 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah, I just learned that from #qt | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | what writes stdout then | 00:51 |
| ieatlint | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qtglobal.html#qDebug has info, including a link about installing a new message handler | 00:51 |
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| MohammadAG | still segfaults ArGGu^^ | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nvNUaR81 | 00:56 |
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| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/ULYTGUKT code | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the problem to find stdout write()? just pipe to a fifo, and see which sourceline it blocks | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | gdb is for DeBugging | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | he has a bug | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | it's segfaulting | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: compile with -g | 01:00 |
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| ieatlint | i've not mixed glib/c and qt/c++ much... is it kosher to use a c++ function pointer in a c callback? | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for sure not | 01:04 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG does it execute the get_current_metadata_cb at all? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | the callback function needs a proper environment of own breed to live in | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/4A9EmWZy | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | segfaults on line 13 | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, yeah, see paste ^ | 01:06 |
| ieatlint | got to love a site that advertises "We pay the HAZMAT fees for you!" | 01:06 |
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| messerting | Hi, my N900 sometimes doesn re-lock the screen if I slide it open, then close it, like it used to | 01:07 |
| messerting | Known issue? | 01:07 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG why are you giving this as parameter? | 01:08 |
| ArGGu^^ | I mean I don't think you should send pointer to your object | 01:09 |
| ArGGu^^ | gpointer user_data | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, I didn't actually write that wapper | 01:09 |
| ArGGu^^ | that the last parameter | 01:09 |
| ieatlint | that's just a pointer, it's not the problem... | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafwrendereradapter.cpp | 01:10 |
| ieatlint | the mafw function does not touch the user_data, it just forwards it | 01:10 |
| ArGGu^^ | well but if it try to use it someway | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafwrenderersignalhelper.cpp | 01:10 |
| ieatlint | so no risk of sigsegv | 01:10 |
| ArGGu^^ | aa well then it is not problem | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | segfault is in the first file line 295 | 01:11 |
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| MohammadAG | well that killed the convo :P | 01:36 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG umm I clone your git and erased all that needed the GConfItem and then compiled it | 01:37 |
| ArGGu^^ | And it runs fine | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, i didn't push a broken build | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | /broken source | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, just add mafwrenderer->getCurrentMetadata() in nowplayingwindow.cpp | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | Doing it in the constructor results in a segfault | 01:38 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG but it does segfault because you do not have any renderer when you call mafwrenderer->getCurrentMetadata() in NowPlayingWindow constructor | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:45 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG add this->mafw_renderer = NULL to MafwRendererAdapter constructor so then it if (mafw_renderer) detect it false if there is no renderer | 01:48 |
| ArGGu^^ | but in nowplaying window you start the play | 01:48 |
| ArGGu^^ | so when you start music there is renderer | 01:49 |
| ArGGu^^ | but not before that | 01:49 |
| ArGGu^^ | unless there is already music playing | 01:49 |
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| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, that fixed the segfault, but now creating a window from NowPlayingIndicator doesn't work | 01:53 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG what window you are trying to create from there? | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | NowPlayingWindow | 01:57 |
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| MohammadAG | oh | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG | it worked | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG | thanks ArGGu^^ ! | 01:57 |
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| ArGGu^^ | need to get more ram 2gb now days is too little :S | 02:05 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah, tell that to my desktop | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | laptop has 4GBs though :D | 02:05 |
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| cehteh | zram ftw! | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, I'm assuming you also used duration? | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | int duration = g_value_get_int(mafw_metadata_first(table, MAFW_METADATA_KEY_DURATION)); | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | qDebug() << QString::number(duration); | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | duration is 0 | 02:10 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG I did not use it :S | 02:14 |
| ArGGu^^ | but I can test it wait | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: check syslog for | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | [49238.970916] slide (GPIO 71) is now open | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | [49247.455230] slide (GPIO 71) is now closed | 02:14 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: Yes, it correctly recognize it as closed, which is strange | 02:14 |
| messerting | usually, the screen locks when I close the slide, if the screen was locked when I opened it, and I didn't touch the screen | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, then maybe you're running an app that keeps the screen on, like marble or xchat... | 02:15 |
| messerting | maybe | 02:16 |
| messerting | it is not like this always | 02:16 |
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| messerting | I think I only encountered it while wlan was in HIGH<something> (or was it LOW<samething>) | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | or mce gets otherwise confused | 02:17 |
| messerting | might be it started to do things like this after I installed SMSCon | 02:17 |
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| messerting | will investigate and report back some other day - need to sleep - thanks helping :) | 02:19 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG yes it 0 some odd reason :S | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | Describes the duration of the item (in seconds). Its value is an integer. | 02:26 |
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| MohammadAG | it should work :/ | 02:26 |
| ArGGu^^ | I check if there is duration in dbus | 02:26 |
| ArGGu^^ | because the lib uses dbus | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | duration is sent somehow | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | thp uses it in gpodder afaik | 02:27 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG there is no duration also in the dbus | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 02:29 |
| ArGGu^^ | even the com.nokia.mafw.source.get_metadata return 0 duration :S | 02:33 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG dbus signals has duration when metadata is changed | 02:39 |
| thp | ArGGu^^ MohammadAG: its sent as metadata when the file is played | 02:40 |
| ArGGu^^ | so maybe you can get it with the signal | 02:40 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, so there's no way to get it while the file's playing? | 02:41 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG I think there is no way get it while file's is playing because the lib uses dbus for getting the metadata and there is no duration in the dbus | 02:44 |
| ArGGu^^ | so only the metadata_changed signal has it | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | impossible | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | the stock player gets it somehow | 02:46 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG but I do not see what the problem :S | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | could be mafw source, not the renderer | 02:46 |
| ArGGu^^ | you just connect the signal | 02:46 |
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| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, this is a mediaplayer rewrite | 02:47 |
| ArGGu^^ | so? | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | we're replacing the mediaplayer | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | and the mediaplayer does it fine | 02:48 |
| ArGGu^^ | yeah I get that | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | it gets the song length, even when closed/reopened | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | guess it's mafw source | 02:49 |
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| MohammadAG | quick C++ question | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG | NowPlayingIndicator currently has a mafwrenderer of its own | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG | how do I get it to use the parent's mafwrenderer? | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG | from nowplayingwindow.cpp | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG | err, nowplayingindicator.cpp* | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG | not from the parent's code | 02:58 |
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| MohammadAG | nah screw it | 03:00 |
| MohammadAG | gonna study | 03:00 |
| MohammadAG | bbl | 03:00 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG the mediaplayer has to get the duration somewhere else because it has the duration even before playin the file :S | 03:02 |
| ArGGu^^ | playing | 03:02 |
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| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, yeah, mafw source and mafw playlist | 03:17 |
| ArGGu^^ | there is mafw_source_browse could that give the duration :S | 03:19 |
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| ArGGu^^ | well I need to go to sleep | 03:32 |
| ArGGu^^ | good night | 03:33 |
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| BCMM | huh, looks like kinetic scrolling kinda screws up a QListView's selection... | 04:03 |
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| BCMM | it briefly appears to highlight the item you tapped, then works out you're scrolling, not tapping, and the highlight returns to the previous-selected thing (this is all correct) | 04:04 |
| BCMM | but after scrolling, the originally highlighted thing appears selected, but selectionModel()->currentIndex() returns the one you tapped over to start the scroll | 04:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, ping | 05:00 |
| MohammadAG | pong | 05:00 |
| psycho_oreos | would you happen to know matan's alternative site? trying to find his latest builds for mhd or hildon-desktop, hildon-home, etc | 05:01 |
| psycho_oreos | there' my.arava.co.il but that's not the one I'm looking for | 05:01 |
| MohammadAG | svgalibs i think? | 05:01 |
| pupnik_ | hey MohammadAG | 05:01 |
| MohammadAG | hey pupnik_ | 05:02 |
| psycho_oreos | humm I'll search for that, thanks | 05:02 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, enable the SSU, it's about to launch anytime soon | 05:02 |
| pupnik_ | MohammadAG: my mood right now http://i.imgur.com/4mf2b.jpg | 05:02 |
| MohammadAG | it has mhd | 05:02 |
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| MohammadAG | pupnik_, :D | 05:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, yeah I have SSU enabled I managed to get 9 desktops working via maemodder but maemodder installs hildon-desktop version 2.2.140-1+0m5 and for some reason I have the 2.2.141-1 version of hildon-desktop along with modified-hildon-desktop_3.1_armel.deb.. hmm that gives me another idea | 05:05 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg -r modified-hildon-desktop | 05:05 |
| pupnik_ | that's just my mood | 05:06 |
| rhkfin | Got my N900 back from warranty & need to re-install. Is there a reason for not to use the original partition layout? | 05:06 |
| pupnik_ | it's not a productive mood at all | 05:06 |
| MohammadAG | and reinstall the SSU hd | 05:06 |
| SpeedEvil | rhkfin: I resized MyDocs to 4M | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | 4G | 05:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | and added an ext3 /home/user/data | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | works for me | 05:07 |
| pupnik_ | but i'm a surprisingly good photographer - that was one take | 05:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, yeah I don't have modified-hildon-desktop installed.. by SSU you meant Nokia's SSU or some other repo? | 05:08 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, ta :) | 05:09 |
| rhkfin | SpeedEvil: ok, right | 05:11 |
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| rhkfin | on what partition are the apps installed by default? | 05:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | apps are on /opt - an alias for /home | 05:30 |
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| rhkfin | SpeedEvil: and home partition is 2G by default? I see.. | 05:33 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 05:33 |
| rhkfin | if I use a uSD card, where is it mounted? As extra somewhere under home? | 05:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | /media/mmc1 | 05:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall | 05:35 |
| rhkfin | ok | 05:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | EHLO | 10:44 |
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| Gh0sty | hello | 10:45 |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: you are coming to fosdem, right? :P | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no "time" | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | $$$time | 10:47 |
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| Gh0sty | not even time for beers? :P | 10:51 |
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| Juozapas | hi how to enable utf8 encoding on email client? | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: transport is too expensive nowadays | 11:00 |
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| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: well if you would come give a talk ... | 11:00 |
| Gh0sty | you could get sponsoring perhaps :P | 11:01 |
| Gh0sty | and anyway you come from germany thats doable | 11:01 |
| Gh0sty | a lot of people come from the UK/USA ... | 11:01 |
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| Gh0sty | thats a tiny bit further | 11:01 |
| Gh0sty | and you can get multiple beers if you come from me :P | 11:01 |
| Gh0sty | (I am crew btw) | 11:01 |
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| Gh0sty | anyway but ok ... no problem :) | 11:02 |
| Gh0sty | if sysadmin stuff interests you | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | a lot of people have their own lear jet, that's also a bit more expensive than staying in bed | 11:02 |
| Gh0sty | a bit later there is ... loadays (loadays.org) which is a sysadmin conference | 11:02 |
| thp | MohammadAG: i save the duration at the start when it's loaded, then i can always retrieve it locally :) | 11:02 |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: bonn is close to you ? | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | too far to walk | 11:03 |
| Gh0sty | perhaps I go again this summer or something to froscon ... | 11:03 |
| Gh0sty | thats near bonn | 11:03 |
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| Gh0sty | not sure if they have any good beers there | 11:04 |
| Gh0sty | but I could bring some :P | 11:04 |
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| * thresh mornings everyone | 11:05 | |
| Gh0sty | hello thresh | 11:05 |
| thresh | am I right assuming choosing 'Connect automatically: Any connection' would connect my GPRS/3G data connection every time WLAN is not available? | 11:06 |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: oh yes is there a way to disable the "whenever I find network start looking for possible updates" behavior? | 11:07 |
| thresh | that's on n900, if it matters :) | 11:07 |
| Gh0sty | thresh: i guess so | 11:07 |
| Gh0sty | oh and another good question: | 11:07 |
| Gh0sty | is it possible by script to disable the fact that my cellphone is locking (as in: with a locking code) | 11:08 |
| Gh0sty | would like to fix something like: | 11:08 |
| Gh0sty | whenever my bluetooth headset is connect (so I'm probably in the car ...) do not lock the damn thing cause it makes it difficult to dial numbers while driving when its locked ... | 11:09 |
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| Gh0sty | ooh think i found something ... | 11:12 |
| Gh0sty | gconftool -s -t bool /system/osso/dsm/locks/devicelock_autolock_enabled true | 11:12 |
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| Gh0sty | so now to findout how I can create an event when bluetooth is connected / disconnected | 11:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: I'd suggest you use a 12V charger and "don't lock while charging" :-P | 11:16 |
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| Gh0sty | also possible but always charging while in the car is not really good for the battery | 11:17 |
| Gh0sty | can't I do something like when a bluetooth device is connected AND the bluetooth device is a particular brand | 11:17 |
| Gh0sty | and anyway I have autodisconnect on bluetooth also | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | thresh: yes | 11:17 |
| Gh0sty | I enable bluetooth only when I'm in the car connecting my headset | 11:18 |
| Gh0sty | or when syncing and I dont have a cable near ... | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: check hcitool | 11:18 |
| Gh0sty | so its not like BT is constantly on | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: I'm just handwaving | 11:18 |
| buntfalke | Hi | 11:19 |
| buntfalke | Is there a Qt-based replacement for Hildon for Fremantle? | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: probably monitoring dbus might give you some ideas | 11:20 |
| Gh0sty | there is again dbus | 11:20 |
| Gh0sty | damn I should really learn dbus :( | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-monitor | 11:21 |
| thresh | DocScrutinizer: shweet | 11:21 |
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| rhkfin | How do you use Facebook on N900? effing? facebrick? m.facebook.com? touch.facebook.com? | 11:52 |
| Hoxzer | FaceBook is for people with a life. | 11:52 |
| doc|home | facebook? what's that? | 11:53 |
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| ShadowJK | another overclocked to death device spotted on tmo | 12:10 |
| rhkfin | :/ | 12:10 |
| MohammadAG | just saw it | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, another? | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG | there was someone else? | 12:12 |
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| ShadowJK | I remember some others from before | 12:12 |
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| ShadowJK | one complaining his emmc is corrupting all the time and that he has to reinstall twice a week | 12:13 |
| MohammadAG | funny how he says warranty expired 4 days ago | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: link | 12:13 |
| MohammadAG | completely overlooked the fact it was warranty-less | 12:14 |
| kerio | when is the warranty going to expire for the first EU devices? | 12:14 |
| ShadowJK | November 2011 or so | 12:15 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68795 | 12:16 |
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| MohammadAG | well | 12:17 |
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| MohammadAG | at least Matan can stfu | 12:17 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer, you have started clicking on random links :p | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, au contraire. I asked for the link. Thanks MohammadAG | 12:27 |
| MohammadAG | lol yw | 12:27 |
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| marlaw | hello everyone | 12:32 |
| ptl | even me? | 12:32 |
| marlaw | yesterday I lost my n900 | 12:32 |
| Juozapas | is it possible to auto remove email notification on n900 if i read that mail via computer ? | 12:32 |
| marlaw | it served me for one year | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | marlaw: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! | 12:32 |
| marlaw | SpeedEvil, it is the sad truth | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | marlaw: Did an alligator rip it from your arm, biting off your hand at the same time? | 12:33 |
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| Juozapas | marlaw: bad news ... :| | 12:33 |
| trumee | Loosing N900 is a scary thought to me. so much personal info on iy | 12:34 |
| marlaw | it's all my fault, I had one too many and my mobile was in my jacket and I think I didn't watch it a couple of times | 12:34 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: yep. | 12:34 |
| trumee | would be happy if the addressbook could be encrypted | 12:34 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes encryption was present. | 12:34 | |
| Juozapas | is any gps tracking program exist in case of left n900 in some cafe ? | 12:34 |
| marlaw | there is some software Juozapas | 12:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember some - it's dependant on it turning up of course | 12:35 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 12:35 |
| marlaw | but I didn't configrue it, but also, my battery was dead and furthermore I had both the pink and phone lock on start up | 12:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean you installing it first | 12:35 |
| Juozapas | marlaw: yeah me too, i'm using screen lock | 12:36 |
| marlaw | now I need to get something relatively quick - i.e. this week | 12:36 |
| marlaw | and i'm totally not sure what | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | marlaw: :/ | 12:36 |
| * SpeedEvil notes the n900 is still available. | 12:36 | |
| SpeedEvil | Though not, perhaps as shiny as it was when first available, as the price hsan't come down much. | 12:37 |
| marlaw | either get a new n900 (or used for that matter) or get like the meego one (but when is it going to be out?) | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | marlaw: I would be surprised to see the n9 in under 3 months. | 12:37 |
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| marlaw | the other thing is that i quite like the phisical keyboard and i don't think the n9 will have it | 12:37 |
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| Juozapas | yeah physical keyboard ftw | 12:38 |
| Juozapas | i can't imagine typeing on a screen | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Typing on a screen is bearable - if you don't need anything else on the screen. | 12:38 |
| marlaw | I tried a software one on one of the first android phones (not the g1, the one afterwards) and it wasn't great | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Or if you have transparent fingers. | 12:39 |
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| Juozapas | ;] | 12:39 |
| marlaw | but it is also true that they got much better (in fact the iPhone was pretty decent on day one) .. but i'm not an iphone fan as it comes fully locked down | 12:39 |
| trumee | N9 will not have a keyboard? | 12:39 |
| marlaw | trumee, from the pics I've seen I don't think so | 12:40 |
| trumee | crap. | 12:40 |
| marlaw | basically .. I'm kind of considering the nexus s | 12:40 |
| trumee | but E7 has a keyboard! | 12:40 |
| marlaw | but is E7 meego ? | 12:40 |
| trumee | symbian prolly | 12:40 |
| marlaw | I will miss my ssh, python, aircrack .. my lovely debian chroot .. | 12:41 |
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| trumee | marlaw, no ssh on android? | 12:41 |
| marlaw | ConnectBot or something like that is available | 12:42 |
| marlaw | but is nothing like going ssh on your terminal installed by default | 12:42 |
| trumee | marlaw, but no ssh server? | 12:42 |
| marlaw | I'm not even sure I'd be any use | 12:42 |
| marlaw | is not like you've got busy box installed .. or at least i don't think so | 12:42 |
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| marlaw | and to make me even less sure about what to do, i think work is going to get me a bb soon (within a few weeks) | 12:43 |
| marlaw | bb -> blackberry, or crackbery as they call it | 12:43 |
| Juozapas | and blackberry use symbian right ? | 12:44 |
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| marlaw | nope - their own OS | 12:44 |
| trumee | lol | 12:44 |
| Juozapas | :/ | 12:44 |
| Juozapas | is it good ? never had bb | 12:44 |
| marlaw | i'm not a fan of symbian .. had it on at least 4 mobiles .. not going back to it | 12:44 |
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| marlaw | I think I played with it once, is supposed to be the ultimate tool for work emails and possibly vpns but that should be about it | 12:45 |
| alterego | Symbian was great when it was on the N95 | 12:45 |
| marlaw | symbian was great when there was nothing else | 12:45 |
| marlaw | i.e. the day that android or iphone os came out it was dead to me | 12:45 |
| alterego | It was quite good before the N95 and it's been rubish since then and the now N8 which is very good. | 12:45 |
| alterego | Right,, | 12:46 |
| alterego | So you want an iPhone then? | 12:46 |
| marlaw | well .. look i don't hate it | 12:46 |
| marlaw | no | 12:46 |
| marlaw | hell no | 12:46 |
| trumee | Sip works perfect on symbian | 12:46 |
| alterego | You want an Android phone? | 12:46 |
| marlaw | worked good on my n900 | 12:46 |
| marlaw | (sip) | 12:46 |
| trumee | and even on android i have heard | 12:46 |
| trumee | but sucks on N900 | 12:47 |
| marlaw | Ideally I want something with maemo/meego with fresher hardware | 12:47 |
| alterego | I don't think hardware is the problem. | 12:47 |
| marlaw | I got a few ex-symbian devs working at my company | 12:47 |
| trumee | marlaw, no choppy audio on sip for you? | 12:47 |
| alterego | I'd like hdmi out and a compass | 12:47 |
| alterego | Maybe a bit more ram | 12:47 |
| marlaw | trumee, I did have a few problems but it always had to do with my wireless connection beeing not great (i'd lose my wifi from some places in my house) | 12:48 |
| alterego | Oh, a headset media remote | 12:48 |
| trumee | marlaw, what router do you use | 12:48 |
| marlaw | hardware is the problem in the sense that it is not the fastest thing out there and the n900 was chunckier then other mobiles | 12:48 |
| marlaw | dd-wrt on a linksys | 12:48 |
| trumee | marlaw, standing next to a openwrt router and sip sucks | 12:49 |
| alterego | marlaw: I don't see that as a problem | 12:49 |
| trumee | marlaw, and i have linksys wrt54gl running ddwrt with same response | 12:49 |
| marlaw | what annoys me is that the other OS make a dinstinction as to how you are connected to the internet (3g or wifi) as to what you can do next in terms of software (see skype, sip and what not) | 12:49 |
| marlaw | and i find that unacceptable | 12:49 |
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| marlaw | same with tethering | 12:49 |
| alterego | I didn't get it because it was the sleakest looking or the most powerful | 12:50 |
| alterego | I'm not some kind of alien ware gaming freak... | 12:50 |
| marlaw | mine is a wrt54gs version 7 (i.e. i can only run micro dd-wrt) | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, alienwares are too weak for you | 12:50 |
| marlaw | i don't care about games .. i'm a software developer and I quite like to have python and a shell in general available | 12:50 |
| alterego | :) | 12:50 |
| marlaw | but also full control of everything | 12:51 |
| trumee | marlaw, Nokia guys didnt implement PSM mode well on N900. N95 has a better PSM mode. | 12:51 |
| alterego | marlaw, right, so you actually donmt care what it looks like or how powerful it is then .. | 12:51 |
| marlaw | what's ps ? | 12:51 |
| marlaw | osm | 12:51 |
| marlaw | grrr .. s/ps/psm | 12:51 |
| alterego | What's with all the contradictions .. | 12:51 |
| trumee | marlaw, Power Saving Mode | 12:51 |
| marlaw | with the lastest release of pr 1.3 + updates my n900 was having a decent battery life | 12:51 |
| marlaw | even better with overclock | 12:52 |
| marlaw | no i don't need that much power but sometimes the n900 was laggy | 12:52 |
| marlaw | and it is chuncky .. it's big .. are you happy to see me or you just have a big phone ?? | 12:52 |
| marlaw | i think that's because of the keyboard mainly | 12:52 |
| trumee | marlaw, PSM is for saving power on wifi connection | 12:52 |
| alterego | marlaw: keyboard, awesome, camera, battery ... | 12:53 |
| marlaw | look don't take me wrong .. i had the n800 before | 12:54 |
| marlaw | the n900 was def a good upgrade both software and hardware | 12:54 |
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| alterego | I think you're getting you wrong. | 12:54 |
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| marlaw | I don't think you're necessarily wrong | 12:55 |
| alterego | :) | 12:55 |
| marlaw | I'm confused indeed | 12:55 |
| alterego | I get it, you're a poser :P | 12:55 |
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| alterego | Seriously, even now, there is nothing that comes close to the N900 for me. | 12:56 |
| marlaw | one thing I hated about it was charging .. it had to be connected to a computer or original cable, a non-smart usb powered source had to have some pin shorted in order to work | 12:56 |
| alterego | Nothing that can replace it's flexibility and power (maybe not hz) but raw capability | 12:56 |
| marlaw | yeah but buying a n900 now at that price is not ideal | 12:56 |
| marlaw | alterego, I'm so afraid that this was the case | 12:56 |
| alterego | Really? Can't say I've had problems charging | 12:57 |
| trumee | alterego, i am very happy with N900 except for the poor sip quality | 12:57 |
| alterego | But I've got like 4 CA101 cables | 12:57 |
| marlaw | I remember when I was in thailand i needed my pdf ticket, so I sshed home found the file and scped it back to my mobile .. | 12:57 |
| alterego | trumee: well, I've used skype a bit and it was fine for me. | 12:58 |
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| * trumee doesnt use skype | 12:58 | |
| alterego | Not sure what sort of quality you expect from a mobile phone tbh | 12:58 |
| marlaw | to make phone calls regardless of sip, skype, 3g, old fashioned gsm ? | 12:58 |
| marlaw | I mean my e71 did sip pretty well with symbian, you're right trumee | 12:59 |
| trumee | alterego, http://test.maemo.org/testzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 | 13:00 |
| povbot | Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 13:00 |
| marlaw | so you would all re-buy the n900 if you lost it ? | 13:00 |
| alterego | Well, like I said, no experience in sip calls :) | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | marlaw: I have mine insured. | 13:00 |
| marlaw | at that price ? | 13:00 |
| rhkfin | marlaw: definitely. | 13:00 |
| trumee | marlaw, sip rocks on my N95 | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | marlaw: For accidental damage and theft | 13:00 |
| alterego | marlaw: yes, but mine is insured :j | 13:00 |
| rhkfin | marlaw: but I also am now installing http://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON to get it back if I lost it :) | 13:01 |
| alterego | So, I would spend the 60 quid excess | 13:01 |
| marlaw | I got that installed - but is not going to do any good, lock + pin + battery dead | 13:01 |
| alterego | rhkfin: what if they change the sim | 13:01 |
| * rhkfin bought mine for 250e, second hand. The USB charger broke -> warranty repair -> they replaced the whole device except battery & back cover.. | 13:01 | |
| trumee | marlaw, i will not buy N900 again because of poor SIP support | 13:01 |
| marlaw | I think smscon can be configured to notify you back too | 13:01 |
| marlaw | right, so, trumee, where would you look then, android ? | 13:02 |
| marlaw | or just wait for some meego to come out ? | 13:02 |
| trumee | marlaw, yes probably | 13:02 |
| rhkfin | alterego: they still can send SMS's - and yes, when it recognises new sim, it'll notify me | 13:02 |
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| alterego | Oh | 13:02 |
| rhkfin | it's a win :) | 13:02 |
| trumee | marlaw, yes perhaps wait for meego | 13:02 |
| n900-space | hi allllll | 13:02 |
| marlaw | but they'll need to flash it on mine in order to get rid of the lock at boot up no ? | 13:02 |
| rhkfin | marlaw: yes | 13:03 |
| n900-space | can anyone tell me y does this command not work on my n900 .. mkfs -t vfat /dev/mmcblk1 | 13:03 |
| marlaw | which means that smscons is not going to do anything | 13:03 |
| trumee | marlaw, problem is the meego uses the same libraries as N900. so dont know if things will work better there | 13:03 |
| rhkfin | marlaw: if the directly go and reflash it then it's lost | 13:03 |
| marlaw | rhkfin, yeah, so, maybe it would have been better to not have the lock :) | 13:03 |
| rhkfin | marlaw: but not very many can flash it say within 30 minutes after finding it | 13:03 |
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| marlaw | yeah but without battery is not going to do me any good | 13:04 |
| rhkfin | marlaw: maybe yes | 13:04 |
| marlaw | n900-space, did you unmount the partition ? | 13:04 |
| Juozapas | but why use this sms style | 13:04 |
| rhkfin | Juozapas: if no interent is available. | 13:04 |
| marlaw | n900-space, what error do you get ? | 13:04 |
| Juozapas | oh ok.. | 13:04 |
| rhkfin | But it is able to open ssh tunnel over GPRS too | 13:04 |
| n900-space | hmm, If I do a umount /media/mmc1 this will unmount right ? | 13:05 |
| marlaw | n900-space, it should | 13:05 |
| n900-space | ok the error is | 13:06 |
| marlaw | be carefull though .. you don't want to fuck up the internal memory | 13:06 |
| marlaw | and pardon for my french | 13:06 |
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| n900-space | "mkfs.vfat: no such file or directory" | 13:06 |
| n900-space | marlaw: i'm running this easy debian console. | 13:06 |
| marlaw | seems like you don't have installed something ? | 13:06 |
| marlaw | why do you want to do that within easy debian ? | 13:07 |
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| n900-space | it will work on the normal terminal of n900 with root ? | 13:07 |
| n900-space | i think i did try but it didnt work either | 13:07 |
| marlaw | apt-cache search mkfs , then go install apt-get install the vfat if not installed | 13:07 |
| n900-space | what have i not installed | 13:07 |
| marlaw | n900-space, normal terminal will work yes | 13:07 |
| n900-space | hmm | 13:07 |
| n900-space | so the install command with be "apt-get install vfat" | 13:08 |
| n900-space | ? | 13:08 |
| marlaw | no I don't think so | 13:08 |
| marlaw | I can check on my debian on my box | 13:08 |
| n900-space | hmm | 13:08 |
| n900-space | hey i have to leave for 15 minutes | 13:08 |
| n900-space | i'll be back in a while | 13:08 |
| n900-space | sorry | 13:08 |
| marlaw | no worries | 13:08 |
| marlaw | so unless someone can suggest something better I'll go and look at the nexus s .. | 13:09 |
| rhkfin | Hmm.. it'd be nice if the SMSCON command messages weren't shown on the screen.. | 13:09 |
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| marlaw | rhkfin, are they ? I never tested it | 13:09 |
| rhkfin | If you have a stolen phone and receive 'location' SMS, I wouldn't feel very safe.. | 13:09 |
| rhkfin | marlaw: yes they are.. | 13:09 |
| marlaw | yeah if I was the thief I'd just take the battery out | 13:10 |
| marlaw | and then play with it in an area without signal | 13:10 |
| rhkfin | wow, it send me a google maps link :) | 13:10 |
| marlaw | but then again most thiefs are not smart | 13:10 |
| rhkfin | marlaw: true | 13:10 |
| marlaw | i mean small thiefs | 13:10 |
| marlaw | not oceans 11 ones :) | 13:10 |
| rhkfin | :D | 13:11 |
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| nid0 | rhkfin, a semi solution to that limitation is to set the command trigger to something different and less obvious | 13:11 |
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| marlaw | or perhaps use a lower level API | 13:12 |
| marlaw | or maybe mms since they're not supported by default | 13:13 |
| marlaw | so they shouldn't show up | 13:13 |
| alterego | I like how MeeGo has MMS out-of-the-box | 13:13 |
| alterego | Or at least will. | 13:13 |
| marlaw | but in general 3g + dyndns callback does wonders | 13:13 |
| marlaw | alterego, what makes you sure btw ? | 13:14 |
| alterego | Maemo should have had ofono from the beginning tbh | 13:14 |
| alterego | marlaw: because I do a fair amount of meego development :P | 13:14 |
| marlaw | oh cool | 13:14 |
| rhkfin | nid0: marlaw yes, I think ssh callback is great - but I need to enable that over ssh | 13:14 |
| alterego | Still no community mms ux app yet though. | 13:15 |
| korhojoa_ | hm, guys? anyone tried putting swap on a usb flash drive/HD ? | 13:15 |
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| marlaw | yep .. and i had a job at home that would copy (rsync) the whole of my n900 to my local box so i didn't lose anything | 13:15 |
| marlaw | korhojoa_, I don't think that's a good idea | 13:15 |
| marlaw | i mean flashdrive | 13:15 |
| marlaw | hd is ok | 13:15 |
| korhojoa_ | why not? | 13:16 |
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| marlaw | although via usb you don't have great latency and it will use more cpy | 13:16 |
| marlaw | s/cpy/cpu | 13:16 |
| korhojoa_ | I mean, if people use ΒµSD for swap? | 13:16 |
| ShadowJK | korhojoa_, they're friggin slow for swap, for one | 13:16 |
| ShadowJK | normal harddrive is faster | 13:16 |
| korhojoa_ | ShadowJK: well not some crap drive, a real one | 13:16 |
| marlaw | SSD and USB flash disks are very different in terms of controllers | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | marlaw: you can charge from non-standards conforming (usual) USB-wallchargers | 13:16 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah if it's a proper SSD it's fast | 13:17 |
| marlaw | DocScrutinizer, yeah you need to short two pins | 13:17 |
| korhojoa_ | true. don't they use some bulk transfer mode that makes accessing small chunks slow? | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | with help of a bit of sw - do that on any other phone | 13:17 |
| marlaw | DocScrutinizer, really ? via software ? that's nice | 13:17 |
| marlaw | i.e. the same tricks used for host mode ? | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: My SIP works excellent on N900 | 13:17 |
| ShadowJK | korhojoa_, no it's more that you need a 400MHz ARM cpu and 64-128 Megs of ram inside the drive to make flash not suck | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | marlaw: exactly | 13:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | marlaw: ask ShadowJK :-D | 13:18 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, with PSM off? | 13:18 |
| marlaw | I will miss it .. it was my little super portable laptop with some phone functionality :{ | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe with PSM medium, yes | 13:19 |
| korhojoa_ | ShadowJK: er, okay? i've got a ssd that i used to use for a htpc, that might work? | 13:19 |
| ShadowJK | korhojoa_, what model is it? | 13:19 |
| marlaw | ssd doesn't love swap | 13:19 |
| korhojoa_ | total overkill, but should allow for serious multitasking | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | marlaw: get a new one - you won't find anything better | 13:19 |
| marlaw | I'd have no swap or a small one | 13:19 |
| korhojoa_ | ShadowJK: it's a ocz core series, the original | 13:19 |
| ShadowJK | ah those are pretty slowass | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | slower than harddrives for swap | 13:20 |
| korhojoa_ | probably :D | 13:20 |
| marlaw | DocScrutinizer, it annoys me that it still costs a lot and that while software wise (and openess) it's the best the hardware is not that great anymore | 13:20 |
| korhojoa_ | I'd just like a way to keep the phone charged while using hostmode. | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | OCZ Vertex is the first one that doesn't suck :) | 13:21 |
| korhojoa_ | Then I could lug around a small 1tb drive with everything on it. | 13:21 |
| marlaw | a small 1tb ? | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | marlaw: for me the hw is just good enough | 13:21 |
| marlaw | what's a big one korhojoa_ ? | 13:21 |
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| korhojoa_ | full-size keyboard and mouse + projector -> mobile computer | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | BAH fullsize kbd | 13:21 |
| marlaw | I could always get a bt keyboard and a keyboard less mobile | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | use a laser vkbd! | 13:22 |
| korhojoa_ | marlaw: well, a 2.5" sized one vs a 3.5" (or 2x3.5" sized one like my wd thing) | 13:22 |
| korhojoa_ | i don't like those laser things | 13:22 |
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| korhojoa_ | they hurt to type on | 13:22 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, ah! PSM medium. What about PSM full on? | 13:22 |
| korhojoa_ | and not that accurate | 13:22 |
| marlaw | korhojoa_, just kidding :) | 13:22 |
| marlaw | anyway, swap is best not on ssd | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a flexible real hw kbd taht you can stash away inside the phone :-P | 13:22 |
| korhojoa_ | haha. it would be funny though, to drag around this huge monster HD, just to get like 8 terabytes of storage on your phone | 13:22 |
| marlaw | if you have enough ram i'd avoid swap alltogether | 13:22 |
| marlaw | or just put it on the normal drive | 13:23 |
| korhojoa_ | yeah. now, how do we solder on some more ram? | 13:23 |
| alterego | You can't | 13:23 |
| marlaw | i did that before on my 9500 | 13:23 |
| marlaw | nokia decoder | 13:23 |
| alterego | Not really ... | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: that's all pointless, as PSM depends on your particular AP | 13:23 |
| marlaw | extra ram oh yeah | 13:23 |
| alterego | If you want extra ram you'll have to wait for the next device. | 13:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer just wonders if you could switch PSM off during calls | 13:23 | |
| korhojoa_ | alterego: or we dissolve the top of the chip with acetone, and fix this issue | 13:24 |
| marlaw | does anyone use sipgate for they sip service ? | 13:24 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: possibly if it exports a upnp iface :) | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: yeah, or piggyback another PoP RAM chip on back of SoC | 13:24 |
| korhojoa_ | i'm thinking even the nokia engineers would be impressed when they see a modded device with 2 gigs or something | 13:24 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think swap on ssd is bad, certainly less bad than on emmc/uSD because SSDs have enough cpu and ram to do wear leveling.. | 13:24 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, i have tried openwrt/dd-wrt and PSM on gives poor quality | 13:25 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, i dont understand why your shitty router is bestter | 13:25 |
| marlaw | perhaps cause it doesn't have psm ? :P | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | my PSM setting is better. With PSM full on I get lags in ssh of ~60s sometimes | 13:25 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: after idling? | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 13:26 |
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| alterego | Yeah, not uncommon | 13:26 |
| alterego | I get the same at my parents | 13:26 |
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| ShadowJK | heh. My "Level One" cheapo router from china is way btter (psm and range) than the 3 times more expensive "Linksys by Cisco" WRT54GL :) | 13:26 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, with PSM on medium N900 sucks a lot of juice | 13:26 |
| kaltsi | anyone know what is the 'pmtrackerd' process on n900? | 13:27 |
| marlaw | one thing i don't get about meego is why it ships with gtk and they didn't deprecate it yet | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: anyway, pointless. Get a better AP. I'll change my AP-router today - D-LINK DR415 :-P | 13:27 |
| marlaw | i don't like the mess of libraries I got installed on my desktop and i don't get why we should get the same situations on mobile land | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly I'll see same problems you're running into then | 13:28 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, i have a very good AP. Buffalo N router | 13:28 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, bought it couple of weeks ago just for N900 | 13:28 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, ditched my wrt54gl | 13:28 |
| lardman|home | anyone know about kernel boot-time consoles? | 13:29 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, would be interesting to know how you fare with your dlink router | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: fb-enabled kernel -> lot's of instabilities | 13:30 |
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| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: yes I have that | 13:30 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH | 13:30 |
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| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: just wondering about kernel command line console argument, and enabling fbcon, etc | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG | 13:31 |
| lardman|home | MohammadAG: ping | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | pong | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | framebuffer? | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a kernel config | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE | 13:32 |
| trumee | ShadowJK, what router is that? and how do you evaluate PSM? | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | CONFIG_PANIC_MORELIKELY | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | CONFIG_THREE_REBOOTS | 13:33 |
| ShadowJK | trumee, N900 doesn't lag and doesn't get warm ;p | 13:33 |
| lardman|home | MohammadAG: I'm trying to see boot-time messages on my Galaxy Tab | 13:33 |
| lardman|home | MohammadAG: framebuffer console is enabled | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 13:33 |
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| lardman|home | so I'm wondering firstly if I need to set something on the kernel cmd line, and secondly if I need to activate the fbcon using a sysfs entry | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | lardman|home, and it doesn't show? | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 13:34 |
| lardman|home | no, I just see the Samsung logo | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | with the correct config, it should show | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, given the fact musb-core is monolitic in kernel, you might be able to have USB console | 13:34 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer, would it be interesting to switch PSM to switch off using dbus or something | 13:35 |
| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: yeah I've enabled rndis, so I could have a console over a usb-ethernet connection | 13:35 |
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| lardman|home | or as you say a direct usb serial link | 13:35 |
| lardman|home | but how? I guess one passes a different console setting on the kernel command line? | 13:35 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, but PSM change might need a wifi connect/disconnect i think. | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: yep | 13:35 |
| lardman|home | atm the setting is console=ttySAC2,115200 | 13:36 |
| lardman|home | I've tried adding in a second console=tty0 | 13:36 |
| lardman|home | no change though | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I've seen kernel commandlines comprising console=USB | 13:36 |
| lardman|home | that assumes there's a /dev/USB I guess | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | CONFIG_CMDLINE="init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | that's the N900's | 13:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF? | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | on snd-soc you lost me | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | it's stock, don't ask me! :P | 13:37 |
| lardman|home | ok, so it writes to a log file via a dev entry and also out to tty0 | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | speaker limits afaik | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possible | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that would mean kernel has xprot | 13:38 |
| lardman|home | I also have tty0 enabled, but nothing on the screen, so the question is whether the fbcon device is being used/loaded to display the tty0 output I suppose? | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | who wants to risk a couple of speakers :P | 13:38 |
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| MohammadAG | have a look at the fbcon driver then | 13:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | have a look at your kernel. I gather that's samsung | 13:39 |
| alterego | What has fbcon have to do with speakers? | 13:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | *YAWN* | 13:40 |
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| alterego | I reckon maemo 5 would look much better with a prettier toolbar area | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo "o/"; sleep 1800 | 13:41 |
| alterego | It's always been an aspect of the UI that's bugged me | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, hildon-status-menu is open | 13:42 |
| n900-space | marlaw: hey i'm back, i was asking you about mkfs returning vfat as "no such file or directory" | 13:42 |
| alterego | toolbar | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 13:42 |
| alterego | Not the status bar | 13:42 |
| alterego | The tool bar is the application specific area at the bottom | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | like microB's? | 13:42 |
| alterego | Yeah, microbs, xterms etc. | 13:43 |
| marlaw | n900-space, try again as root on the standard xterm (not debian) | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | I still want a one-lined status-menu :P | 13:43 |
| n900-space | ok | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | would save screen estate | 13:43 |
| alterego | Don't get you | 13:43 |
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| alterego | One lined? As in thiner? | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | currently it has icons on two lines | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | lower that to one line, stack icons next to each other, make clock smaller | 13:45 |
| n900-space | marlaw: on the n900 root its says mkfs not found | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo, Android, iOS, all use a smaller status-menu | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | now | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | how do I export /dev/mmcblk0p5 over USB... | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900-space: use ``root'', not ``sudo gainroot'' | 13:46 |
| lardman|home | the other thing, of course, is that one doens't see the console messages on the N900 unless you change the bootloader | 13:46 |
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| marlaw | n900-space, it's there, just not on your path .. should be in /usr/bin shouldn't it ? or maybe in /sbin | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | you can't change NOLO | 13:47 |
| n900-space | i'm typing root, and then after that i wrote "mkfs -t vfat /dev/mmcblk1" and it returns me that error that mkfs not found | 13:47 |
| lardman|home | you only see them with u-boot though, not with the standard setup | 13:47 |
| alterego | I like the current size of the status bar. | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | mkfs.FStype | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | lardman|home, no | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | marlaw: it's in path when you get a full root login, not that crippled sudo gainroot | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | uBoot displays its own messages | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE is set to n | 13:47 |
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| MohammadAG | if you install a kernel with y, it'll wor | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | k | 13:47 |
| lardman|home | for normal N900 builds? | 13:47 |
| lardman|home | ok | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | and add 3 reboots to your boot time | 13:48 |
| n900-space | DocScrutinizer: i open the terminal and i type root and then i'm typing the commands but it cant see its there, ie if its there | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900-space: mkfs.vfat | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900-space: use tab | 13:48 |
| marlaw | DocScrutinizer, yeah, I generally ssh from my box .. full keyboard :) | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | btw | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | mkfs.vfat reports "Unsupported memory card format" | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | you need to use the filemanager to get the vfat it expects | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | such a retarded concept that it doesn't detect FS type | 13:49 |
| lardman|home | ah good, finally I see output | 13:49 |
| lardman|home | nice one MohammadAG | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 13:50 |
| infobot | [xyawn] sleep | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | you compiled a kernel that fast? | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 13:50 |
| n900-space | DocScrutinizer: hmm, its in the path right, but i guess my partitions on the card are messed up, i says "mkfs.vfat: failed whilst writing reserved sector" | 13:50 |
| lardman|home | yes, whole kernel only takes 90s | 13:50 |
| lardman|home | and this was only a part build | 13:50 |
| lardman|home | I have a quad core monster build machine | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | recreate the partition table | 13:51 |
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| MohammadAG | you run mkfs on a partition | 13:51 |
| lardman|home | no, am only flashing the kernel and modifying initamfs | 13:51 |
| n900-space | k | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | not a device block | 13:51 |
| lardman|home | ah not me, /me tries a boot | 13:51 |
| n900-space | so it should be mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk1p1 MohammadAG | 13:51 |
| n900-space | ? | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually yes | 13:51 |
| * MohammadAG sighs @ freenode lag | 13:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you want a superfloppy | 13:52 |
| n900-space | hehe | 13:52 |
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| lardman|home | hmm, well it's text mode now at least, but it just says "ANDROID" in the middle of the screen, so I guess that might be some sort of text-only splash screen | 13:52 |
| n900-space | when I use /dev/mmcblk1p1 it says "no such file or directory" | 13:53 |
| n900-space | i'm repartitioning the card | 13:53 |
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| MohammadAG | recreate partition table | 13:53 |
| n900-space | now fdisk is not included in the default n900 installation? | 13:54 |
| n900-space | cuz i just got fdisk: not found | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | sfdisk's there | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sfdisk | 13:54 |
| n900-space | ok | 13:54 |
| n900-space | works the same? same commands? | 13:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or HFM, format card | 13:54 |
| knightstalker | Hey,any browsers which support SOCKS proxy? | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | not sure, I use gparted :P | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, sfdisk sucks | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install cfdisk | 13:55 |
| n900-space | so i should just launch easdebian debsu and use that right? | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or hey, format it on your PC! :-P | 13:55 |
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| n900-space | i only have windows on my laptop right now :$ | 13:56 |
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| n900-space | and i want a swap and a fat | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | will create partitions just fine | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, you want a partitoned uSD | 13:56 |
| n900-space | using the windows disk management ? | 13:57 |
| n900-space | it wont create a swap | 13:57 |
| n900-space | yea | 13:57 |
| n900-space | a linux swap plus a windows fat | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 13:57 |
| n900-space | ok i'm using the easy debian fdisk, it will work just fine | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | install cfdisk, or gparted | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | gparted? | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | on the N900? | 13:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you suggested that? | 13:58 |
| n900-space | just installed a cfdisk, | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# apt-cache policy cfdisk -> 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 13:59 |
| Venemo | does anyone have experience with getting stuff to work on Wine? | 14:00 |
| n900-space | cfdisk is giving a FATAL error | 14:01 |
| n900-space | :o | 14:01 |
| FauxFaux | This certaily makes ash less fail: grep alias .zshrc | sed 's,alias ,>/usr/bin/,;s,=, printf "#!/bin/sh\\n%s\\n" ,' | sh && chmod a+x /usr/bin/* | 14:01 |
| lcuk | Venemo, lardman|home is always getting stuff done whilst on wine | 14:01 |
| n900-space | i do cfdisk /dev/mmcblk1 and it shows some error briefly and disappears | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900-space: your uSD borked? | 14:01 |
| Venemo | thanks lcuk | 14:01 |
| Venemo | lardman|home: ping | 14:01 |
| n900-space | borked? | 14:01 |
| lcuk | Venemo, it might not be the same kind of wine you are thinking | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsckdup | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | defect | 14:02 |
| n900-space | how do i check | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 14:02 |
| Venemo | lcuk: your sense of humor always surprises me :P | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M count=100 | 14:02 |
| trx | hm, ive got a microSDC class 2 card, i plan to install a compiler on it, will it be slow considering its a class 2? (i mean painfuly slow) | 14:03 |
| marlaw | all, I'm going to go to the club where I potentially lost my mobile - finger crossed please ^__^ | 14:04 |
| lcuk | Venemo, it shouldn't - its a very precisely honed skill, many years of first posting slashdot ;) | 14:04 |
| trx | like, gcc, fpc.. low level compilers.. | 14:04 |
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| * MohammadAG compiles on his eMMC | 14:04 | |
| MohammadAG | most time's spent in IO, as expected | 14:04 |
| lcuk | trx gcc is not slow on the device, its the loading linking of the headers and .o files thats pretty sluggish for larger projects | 14:04 |
| lcuk | as mo said | 14:05 |
| trx | yeah, thats what i mean | 14:05 |
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| MohammadAG | uSD might be faster, ask ShadowJK | 14:05 |
| trx | how can i use microsd? | 14:05 |
| Venemo | lcuk: :) | 14:05 |
| FauxFaux | Tmpfs in ram time. | 14:06 |
| ShadowJK | I'd probably use uSD for this myself, just because emmc is handling so much other crap already | 14:06 |
| lcuk | its a shame tcc does not output ARM | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | trx, chroot | 14:06 |
| lcuk | for x86 its almost 10x faster than gcc | 14:06 |
| FauxFaux | Roll on clang. | 14:07 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:09 |
| lcuk | morning Jaffa \o | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | morning Jaffa | 14:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi Jaffa | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900-space: what's result of dd? | 14:14 |
| n900-space | it says 100+0 records in, and 100+0 records out | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, so the card probably is OK | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | remove and re-insert it, and try again now | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...with cfdisk | 14:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or HFM | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't forget umount | 14:16 |
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| n900-space | ok | 14:17 |
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| n900-space | btw | 14:18 |
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| n900-space | DocScrutinizer: i took the card out and put it back | 14:23 |
| n900-space | and write umount /dev/mmcblk1 | 14:23 |
| trx | MohammadAG have you used microSD yourself? | 14:24 |
| n900-space | and it says "umount: cannot umount /dev/mmcblk1: Invalid argument" | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you can (and need) only umount volumes that show up in mount output | 14:25 |
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| toadpole | hey does the CA157 otg cable work with the n900? | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably for now you got no volumes mounted on or in mmcblk1 | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | toadpole: yes, if you file off the edges and use h-e-n | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~hostmode | 14:29 |
| infobot | i heard hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 | 14:29 |
| n900-space | :o i have hen on my n900 but havnt tried it :$ .. hehe .. should I just go ahead using it or should read some tutorial? | 14:29 |
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| toadpole | ( DocScrutinizer ): how about this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/micro-usb-on-the-go-host-otg-adapter-pair-50774 | 14:30 |
| trx | i wouldnt recommend that | 14:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | toadpole: every fitting adapter will work | 14:31 |
| trx | you can rip off the port.. | 14:31 |
| toadpole | isn't there an oem nokia cable that works out of the box? | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | toadpole: please read the hostmode thread on tmo | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | toadpole: yes, your ole CA-101 if you get a F-F adapter | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and use h-e-n of course | 14:33 |
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| alterego | Is there a hen uboot kernel? | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you're aware N900 has no OTG and no hostmode OOTB | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: | 14:34 |
| kerio | i thought it will never have OTG | 14:34 |
| alterego | extras-devel? | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PK47-uboot | 14:34 |
| kerio | because of hardware requirements | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yup | 14:34 |
| alterego | kerio: it wont and doesn't :P | 14:34 |
| kerio | fucking nokia | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'm awesome, uboot-power :p | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | 46* | 14:34 |
| kerio | i really hope the n9 has it | 14:34 |
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| MohammadAG | it does | 14:34 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: thanks | 14:34 |
| BCMM | kerio: what is the definition of OTG? | 14:34 |
| n900-space | brb | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | On Teh Go | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | typo intended | 14:35 |
| BCMM | kerio: because it works as a regular USB host, albeit with weird plugs | 14:35 |
| kerio | On T3h g0 | 14:35 |
| kerio | usb otg is slave mode + host mode + autoconfiguration through hardware | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | OTG is to USB host what hermaphrodide is to sex-change. | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | OTG can detect that it has to switch to host on itself | 14:35 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: hahaha | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | with some pin | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | s/on/by | 14:35 |
| BCMM | habmala: ah... | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | lol SpeedEvil | 14:36 |
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| BCMM | habmala: sorry, mishighlight | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: brilliant | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and to the point | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: esp OTG can swap roles on the fly | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and has a protocol for that: HNP | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | though I don't know of a single usecase for that in the wild | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HNP on itself is useless, it needs support on app layer at both ends | 14:42 |
| alterego | I think I've only seen it work with "the cable" .. | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | OTG cables just have an A and a B end, and assign A role to one device. Usually A means host, but HNP can swap this any time, so A plays periph and B plays host | 14:46 |
| Arkenoi | is there desktop version of conboy? tomboy sucks, it uses mono (bloatware) and stopped synchronizing properly a few months ago | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | B end is 'standard', A end has ID shor to GND | 14:46 |
| lardman|home | hmm, it appears that I can't actually alter the kernel command line at compile time, it's overridden presumably be the bootloader | 14:47 |
| lardman|home | s/be/by | 14:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that's how it's supposed to work, yes | 14:49 |
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| eichi | is there a way, that the media player don't save the music album covers in the same directory as the phone camera does? | 14:50 |
| BCMM | lardman|home: kernels can have a default command line, for use of the bootloader gives them nothing | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eichi: you're assuming things | 14:51 |
| eichi | DocScrutinizer? | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eichi: check the directory on MyDocs/images or eveb DCIM - you'll not find any cover art stored there | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's fsckng thumbnailerd/trackerd that is mixing up things | 14:53 |
| lcuk | lardman|home, \o | 14:53 |
| eichi | okay, means, just the image wiever shows all images from all dics | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a know PITA | 14:53 |
| alterego | I was thinking of writing a "QuteBoy" | 14:53 |
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| alterego | Would work on Desktop, Mobile etc .. | 14:56 |
| RST38h | alterego: Write a QuteBASIC! | 14:56 |
| RST38h | moo, all | 14:56 |
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| alterego | Isn't QuteBASIC like Qml? | 14:56 |
| RST38h | lardman: Got a coworker interestedin porting Meego to some Samsung ARM based dev board | 14:57 |
| RST38h | lardman: Is it ok to send him your way, or is it different from what you are doing? | 14:57 |
| RST38h | Qml is like client side of AJAX :) | 14:57 |
| alterego | Well, it has Java Script as well, but Qml is much nicer than html for ux design .. | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | alterego, does qml do dynamic layouts and tables? *grin* | 15:00 |
| RST38h | alterego: No shit, given that HTML has never been intended for uI design | 15:00 |
| lcuk | qml_blink is important | 15:00 |
| eichi | why is there an "Camera" and an DCIM folder both? | 15:00 |
| alterego | lcuk: heh, sure, if you code it :P | 15:00 |
| eichi | is there some "idea" behind it? | 15:00 |
| lcuk | eichi, DCIM is standard folder for photos when plugged into usb | 15:01 |
| alterego | eichi: did you make the Camera folder? | 15:01 |
| alterego | Oh, I see. | 15:02 |
| eichi | no. but maybe BlessN900? its its one, with a emblem | 15:02 |
| alterego | Anyway, DCIM is used by computers and other devices to detect whether a storage device is used with a digital camera. | 15:02 |
| alterego | The 'Camera' directory is a virtual directory, as in, it doesn't actually exist. | 15:03 |
| eichi | yeah, read about DCF | 15:03 |
| alterego | It's just shown in file manager | 15:03 |
| * RST38h is being spammed in Arabic now. WTF? | 15:04 | |
| eichi | softlink? | 15:04 |
| kerio | and that's one of the many wtfs | 15:04 |
| alterego | .desktop renames DCIM to "Camera" I believe. | 15:04 |
| alterego | It's a fat filesystem so no symlinks | 15:04 |
| eichi | oh okay | 15:04 |
| n900-space | DocScrutinizer51: i used fdisk to partition the card from easydebian terminal, and from n900 i formatted the p1 to vfat, and used mkswap for the swap p2 partition (i'm guessing the mkswap formats the partition as well cuz i didnt format it from mkfs) | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 15:05 |
| n900-space | did swapoff of the mmcblk0p3 | 15:05 |
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| n900-space | btw, i read on tmo that after I do a "w" on fdisk, i should take out the card and put it back in for i dont some kernel stuff undating itself (i dont remember correctly I dont know this stuff) | 15:06 |
| n900-space | but right now i have done all without taking out the card | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: I got DCIM FCamera .images .videos X-/ | 15:07 |
| n900-space | lemme see if n900 is even working !! | 15:07 |
| n900-space | working all fine | 15:07 |
| eichi | i can remove the macOS folder if i dont want special shortscuts on mac if i plug it on some of there strange devices? | 15:08 |
| rhkfin | Wonder why syncing e-mail & calendar with Google is so hard & slow.. | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eichi: you *could*, if it's really worth the effort | 15:08 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: yeah, they're all for different things though :P | 15:09 |
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| alterego | eichi: I've never needed them, but it's not like it's wasting space. | 15:09 |
| eichi | yeah, but pumping up the main user folder view | 15:10 |
| lcuk | who has fcam on their devices? | 15:10 |
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| alterego | lcuk: I do | 15:10 |
| eichi | i too, think so | 15:10 |
| lcuk | could you perhaps add someexample photos with it onto here please: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2522 | 15:11 |
| lcuk | I don't have fcam and it might potentially offer alternative macro focusing algo | 15:12 |
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| eichi | i, i dont have too. thought it is the new module name, sorr | 15:13 |
| eichi | y | 15:13 |
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| alterego | How close to the screen are we talking? | 15:13 |
| lcuk | alterego, phone touching the screen | 15:14 |
| lcuk | as you see, whether it focues is not really important | 15:14 |
| lcuk | its just what actually comes out of the sensor | 15:14 |
| lcuk | when you take a pic | 15:14 |
| alterego | m'kay | 15:14 |
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| eichi | cities folder is just the avi maps one. mappero uses another one? | 15:17 |
| alterego | Indeed | 15:21 |
| lardman|home | BCMM: sorry for the slow reply, yes that's what I'm setting at compile time and it's being overridded/ignored | 15:21 |
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| lardman|home | overridden even | 15:21 |
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| alterego | lcuk: dng or is the jpg okay :P | 15:23 |
| lcuk | alterego, whatever you have available is good :) | 15:23 |
| lcuk | its just experimentation | 15:24 |
| lardman|home | will explicitly setting the kernel console param to something not tty*0 stop the fb console from receiving boot messages? | 15:24 |
| javispedro | "quiet"? | 15:24 |
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| lardman|home | no, atm it seems to be set by the bootloader to "console=ttySA2,115200 loglevel=4" | 15:25 |
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| lardman|home | and I see a text framebuffer with the text "ANDROID" somewhere near the middle, but nothing else happens there | 15:26 |
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| alterego | lcuk: done | 15:27 |
| alterego | Weird how forum.meego.com doesn't do image scaling .. | 15:28 |
| lardman|home | so the question is now whether to patch the kernel to add in an extra console=tty0 assuming that should then push messages to the fb console | 15:28 |
| lcuk | :D awesome alterego, thanks | 15:29 |
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| lcuk | theres some great shots on the thread now http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2522 | 15:29 |
| lcuk | i wonder though whether there is any device which can actually focus all the way down to the screen | 15:29 |
| lcuk | ie uber macro | 15:30 |
| BCMM | alterego: it just hotlinks them... | 15:31 |
| alterego | BCMM: I know, and? | 15:31 |
| BCMM | it doesn't do anything to the images | 15:31 |
| alterego | tmo does something. | 15:31 |
| alterego | Even if it's client side .. | 15:31 |
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| alterego | Probably some stylesheet. | 15:31 |
| alterego | It just looks horrible when it doesn't do any scaling .. | 15:31 |
| BCMM | lcuk: i'm curious as to why you're doing that? | 15:32 |
| BCMM | lcuk: also, is macro on the n900 actually any different from just setting manual focus at 5cm in fcamera? | 15:32 |
| lardman|home | BCMM: there's a different setting for macro in the sw | 15:33 |
| lardman|home | i.e. it's a gstphotography setting | 15:33 |
| lcuk | BCMM, i want to see just what details come out of the camera sensor with the device flat on surface | 15:33 |
| lcuk | because its been in mind for a while (i have demo video and stuff) of using n900 as a desktop mouse | 15:33 |
| BCMM | heh, that's kinda an awesome idea | 15:34 |
| lcuk | using the privacy light (red one) so that the scene is illuminated a bit I can already see woodgrain | 15:34 |
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| lcuk | but I wondered whether there are any already existing devices which can actually focus closer still | 15:34 |
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| alterego | Ooo, top gear starts again tonight | 15:47 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, Venemo any suggestions? http://i54.tinypic.com/bzpkz.jpg | 15:59 |
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| trx | string conversion bad | 16:00 |
| trx | usually | 16:00 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a car running maemo. | 16:01 | |
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| John-Smith | how can i make programs for maemo ? | 16:11 |
| trx | http://maemo.org/development/ | 16:12 |
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| John-Smith | trx: its not a java based ? | 16:12 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: wtf? :D | 16:12 |
| trx | John-Smith no. thank god. | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, arabic :P | 16:13 |
| trx | you can develop in any language that can compile for ARM | 16:13 |
| alterego | Oh, are you doing QString::fromUtf8? | 16:13 |
| trx | i for example use fpc | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/musicwindow.cpp#line258 | 16:13 |
| trx | "title.toAscii()" | 16:14 |
| trx | this looks bad | 16:15 |
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| Tsuyo | Hi, is there a way to get a streetname, land, city of a specific LAT/LNG Coord? I don't want to use Online methods, since i have Ovi Maps installed on my N900. I asked in #Qt but they said "wrong channel" :o | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | was testing, even without it it's the same iirc | 16:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't think you can get data out of ovi maps. | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Ever. | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | oh yay | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | worked | 16:16 |
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| alterego | Heh | 16:16 |
| alterego | :P | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - programmatically. | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | was editing the wrong file | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 16:17 |
| * alterego adds man over board function and eta reporting in Columbus | 16:17 | |
| trx | lol | 16:17 |
| John-Smith | trx: where i can start any tips for me i am very new here :) | 16:17 |
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| trx | http://maemo.org/development/ | 16:18 |
| trx | this should get you started.. | 16:18 |
| nid0 | John-Smith: the link you were given has a whole "get started" section :> | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | yay | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | epic startup time now that tracker lists songs | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, is there a way to time UI start up? | 16:19 |
| John-Smith | i am here just because its not java :D | 16:19 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: depends how accurate you want to be. | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, like `time` | 16:20 |
| alterego | Yeah, but time doesn't know when you UIs finished drawing. | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | well | 16:21 |
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| MohammadAG | that's why I asked you :P | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | I just want the time needed to show the QMainWindow | 16:22 |
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| MohammadAG | regardless | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | it starts up faster than the stock mediaplayer, epic win | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 16:23 |
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| trx | hmm, how can i update qt libs on my n900? | 16:24 |
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| trx | i have 4.7.0 currently | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Why do you want to? | 16:24 |
| trx | because of a potential bug | 16:24 |
| trx | with QImage | 16:24 |
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| MohammadAG | sure | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | just build and install | 16:25 |
| trx | there arent any compiled versions to install? | 16:26 |
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| MohammadAG | which version? | 16:27 |
| trx | i would like 4.7.1 (or higher?) | 16:28 |
| alterego | We have -experimental in extras-devel | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | that still exists? | 16:30 |
| alterego | Hrm, only 4.7.0 | 16:31 |
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| alterego | Lame someone should sort that out | 16:31 |
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| alterego | Either that or meego | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, wanna patch in with a type-to-search box? :P | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | pitch even | 16:32 |
| alterego | QSortFilterProxyModel | 16:32 |
| alterego | That enough? | 16:33 |
| alterego | There's a qtm 12 now? | 16:34 |
| alterego | So, why keep qtm up-to-date but forget about qt ... | 16:35 |
| trumee | http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/29055821270745088 | 16:35 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, anything that can show as you type | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, eldar's full of bullshit, even bullshit says he is | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | so full* | 16:36 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: right | 16:36 |
| alterego | Link a QLineEdit to a QSortFliterProxyModel's filter | 16:37 |
| alterego | It'll do the hard stuff for you. | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, it has to read from three parts | 16:37 |
| alterego | Eh? | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | song name, album, artist | 16:37 |
| alterego | Oh, right | 16:37 |
| alterego | Hrm | 16:38 |
| alterego | You could make a new column that's a string with all three concatenated and link the filter to that | 16:39 |
| alterego | tbh, I wouldn't be suprised if the N9-00 is cancelled. | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | the RM680 exists | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | and so does the RM696 | 16:41 |
| alterego | What are they? | 16:41 |
| ShadowJK | we never saw RX-71 :) | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | don't ask me, grep the mce sources | 16:41 |
| alterego | Have they gone through fcc yet? :P | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | but it exists :P | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 16:42 |
| alterego | RM is more positive than RX though | 16:42 |
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| alterego | RM is the proper handset tag Nokia give, where as RX was always used for our maemo black sheep devices :) | 16:43 |
| korhojoa_ | how come we're always RX ? | 16:43 |
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| MohammadAG | RX is cooler | 16:43 |
| korhojoa_ | haha | 16:43 |
| korhojoa_ | "It's the Nokia Black Ops edition" | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, http://twitter.com/#!/MohammadAG/status/26684409692299264 :p | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | wrong line | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/mce.ini#line509 | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | 511 | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | # Patterns used for the RM-680/RM-690 hardware; | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | 512 | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | # this hardware has a single-colour LED connected to a Lysti controller | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | # Patterns used for the RM-696 hardware; | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | I missed the 690 somehow o_O | 16:45 |
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| MohammadAG | so that's three devices | 16:46 |
| alterego | The numbers are quite randomly selected don't expect them to be in any kind of seqential order. | 16:46 |
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| MohammadAG | duh, the 5800 isn't newer than the 900 :P | 16:46 |
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| alterego | I'll have to remember those designations though | 16:48 |
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| alterego | But just because they're there doesn't mean anything. | 16:48 |
| alterego | There has been a lot of rumour about the meego/harmattan device being cancelled. | 16:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's going to have a iapx432 CPU. | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the coming thing. | 16:50 |
| marlaw | a quick update on my lost n900 - both clubs I went on Friday night are still closed and it wasn't left at work on my desk.. so i got a nexus s and cancelled my old sim | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | do the police in your area do anything if you report thefts to them? | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - you can get the IMEI barred too | 16:50 |
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| marlaw | well my phone required reflashing in order to be used .. if the thief can do that then he deserves to use it | 16:51 |
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| marlaw | i.e. i had a lock code + pin | 16:52 |
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| Juozapas | do u use default network manager for connect to wireless networks ? | 16:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is little else. | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | someone get gnome network-manager | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | should work well, but we need 3G patched in | 16:56 |
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| Juozapas | i dont know is network manager problem but sometimes i lost connection (when i am far away from access point) but the icon still shows that i'm connected | 16:57 |
| korhojoa_ | haha | 16:57 |
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| korhojoa_ | lcuk: do you do a lot of microlocation updates? | 16:58 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, wow loads of guests looking at the macro crowdsource thread | 16:58 |
| lcuk | korhojoa_, first time in months | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: and all of the backend shit. | 16:58 |
| korhojoa_ | lcuk: whatever you say ;) | 16:59 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, I asked apple and android users to join in. do you have any you can post? http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=16230#post16230 | 16:59 |
| lcuk | korhojoa_, look back through logs, I rarely change my nickname | 16:59 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, I'll ask on the other server :) | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, do I get a trophy for best pic? | 17:01 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, when I see photos from everything else, yeah | 17:02 |
| lcuk | so far Nokia has best focus :) | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | N86* | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | the N900 can be a bit meh :P | 17:03 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, n900 is awesome | 17:03 |
| lcuk | the n86 has a controllable torch/flash also? | 17:03 |
| korhojoa_ | lcuk: i was kidding :P | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | LOL @ symbian blogs | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | they saw a QML app and started a rumor about a new multitasking UI | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, yes | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | the flash on the N86 is AWESOME | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | it's comparable to xenon in terms of brightness | 17:04 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: I suppose this RM-680 is something else ... https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=211393&fcc_id=%27QTKRM-680%27 | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | .gov site, it's a trap to capture me! | 17:05 |
| alterego | Yes, yes it is :) | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | you want my N900z! | 17:06 |
| alterego | Or it's a link to the FCC testing for the X5-01 AKA RM-680 | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | why? I luvs my n9O0z | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | ooh, a manual | 17:06 |
| * MohammadAG clicks | 17:07 | |
| alterego | I meant this, sorry: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=211393&fcc_id=%27QTKRM-68%27 | 17:07 |
| alterego | Bollocks, that's wrong too .. | 17:07 |
| alterego | Oh, that one works though .. | 17:07 |
| alterego | fuzzy search criteria I guess. | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | X5 | 17:08 |
| alterego | Yes, RM-680 brings X5 | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | interesting | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | eww | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | squashed look | 17:09 |
| alterego | Actually, the handset is square. | 17:09 |
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| alterego | otoh, googling gives things like this: http://noknok.tv/2010/08/23/nokia-n9-rm-680-meego-specs-emerge/ | 17:10 |
| alterego | We all remember that stuff. | 17:10 |
| alterego | You should have said, "makulkar is this your device: http://noknok.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Nokia-N9-QWERTY-MeeGo-Leaked.jpg" | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | is it me, or do I find mac's looks shitty | 17:12 |
| alterego | :) | 17:12 |
| alterego | I'm sure it's not _just_ you, | 17:12 |
| alterego | But I bet your personality has something to do with it :P | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | lmao | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | btw | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | can't we request the boards Nokia use and build our own devices? | 17:13 |
| korhojoa_ | er, why would they give them to us? | 17:13 |
| alterego | Interesting, apparently a leaked Ovi upload page displayed this a while ago: http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ff.png | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, is it normal for an app to segfault at exit? | 17:14 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: yes and no | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | it's not noticeable :p | 17:14 |
| alterego | It means you're probably not cleaning up properly. | 17:15 |
| alterego | It should also be very easy to debug :P | 17:15 |
| alterego | As you can replicate it. | 17:15 |
| alterego | So don't be lazy and fix it :) | 17:15 |
| lcuk | Nokia naming should be secret agent style. E-007 | 17:15 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | tried it | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | to* | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | it always returns the segfault to Qt's libs | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, http://pastebin.com/VzGcHsjr | 17:16 |
| alterego | Apparently that Ovi mistake might be an indication it will be at mwc | 17:16 |
| alterego | Which is possible I guess. | 17:16 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: "it's not noticeable" - yeah, that's probably why loads of applications seem to suffer from it | 17:16 |
| alterego | I reckon Nokia wont fly it as flagship after the N900 | 17:16 |
| BCMM | it's wrong, but it doesn't feel like it matters to some people | 17:16 |
| alterego | They'll probably continue pushing N8 very hard. | 17:16 |
| BCMM | (ofc, it probably indicates a bigger problem) | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | N8 bottom cover broke here :P | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: they were pushing it too hard. | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:17 |
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| alterego | Heh | 17:17 |
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| alterego | "Nokia N900" in ovi is under "Touch" and not "Fill Keyboard" :/ | 17:21 |
| fellu | yea | 17:22 |
| nid0 | there're plenty of mistakes in phone types, the e90 isnt under full keyboard either, apparently thats a "classic" | 17:22 |
| alterego | I can't believe someone is selling a "Mobile Web Server" application .. | 17:22 |
| fellu | :D | 17:23 |
| alterego | I bet they didn't sell scht | 17:23 |
| ShadowJK | Lots of people use the mobile web server for pc-phone filetransfer | 17:23 |
| nid0 | tbh, dont really see the problem with it - its a tiny low-power webserver that has a user-friendly ui to set their device up to serve | 17:24 |
| alterego | Weird, I guess it's easier if you don't use ssh regularlary like I do. | 17:24 |
| alterego | Well, ssh and usb networking. | 17:24 |
| ShadowJK | ... which just proves what a terrible experience using symbian is | 17:24 |
| alterego | "user friendly" .. | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | yay | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | got another battery | 17:24 |
| alterego | I'm talking about the N900 version not symbian :P | 17:24 |
| ShadowJK | ah, that makes no sense | 17:24 |
| nid0 | clicking a few straightforward buttons is easier than asking someone to write a vhost by hand | 17:24 |
| alterego | nid0: yeah, I get it, I guess it's easy to sell an app to users that basically just wrap up slightly specialist knowledge | 17:25 |
| alterego | I like how he ripped off the KDE icons too .. | 17:25 |
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| alterego | Seeing a lot of stuff on there now, just makes me depressed I decided not to sell Columbus | 17:27 |
| alterego | Guess what, 0 donations .. | 17:27 |
| nid0 | had many downloads of it yet? | 17:27 |
| alterego | Lots | 17:27 |
| alterego | Admittedly it's not v1 yet and it's not in extras. | 17:28 |
| alterego | So it's probably better having it "out there" than just me and a few trusted testers. | 17:28 |
| alterego | I think I'll sell v2 | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I know why there aren't donations | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | URL detect mousePressEvent(), not mouse release! | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | fix that, the donations will magically start | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | I think | 17:35 |
| alterego | What? | 17:35 |
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| MohammadAG | press a link, then move the mouse away from it | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | the browser will still open | 17:36 |
| alterego | where? | 17:38 |
| alterego | What link are you talking about? | 17:38 |
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| MohammadAG | the two links you have there, docs and columbus page | 17:38 |
| alterego | docs is a broken link anywayh | 17:39 |
| alterego | and it's a button | 17:39 |
| mikki-kun | alterego: maybe many people don't know what columbus actually is good for or are not "motivated" enough to get something nice running with it? | 17:39 |
| alterego | the links are the webpage and email | 17:39 |
| alterego | mikki-kun: probably, I'm not too fussed, but there is a lot of people playing with it :) | 17:39 |
| mikki-kun | alterego: does it phone home? =p | 17:40 |
| mikki-kun | or how can you tell? :) | 17:40 |
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| alterego | downloads | 17:42 |
| alterego | And activity on my forum thread. | 17:42 |
| mikki-kun | ok, the activity says more than the downloads :) | 17:42 |
| mikki-kun | does it also in some way enable logging and if so, which format? | 17:44 |
| alterego | Its most notable feature is the ability to act as a bluetooth or usb GPS dongle. | 17:45 |
| alterego | But it also logs to file in NMEA | 17:45 |
| alterego | And streams over a network | 17:45 |
| alterego | It's getting closer to my planned v1 feature set though, basically a handheld GPS receiver like application. | 17:46 |
| alterego | v2 will include groovy mapping funcions. | 17:46 |
| mikki-kun | how does it work with the streams over a network? | 17:46 |
| alterego | as a client or server | 17:46 |
| alterego | Useful for linking with gspd | 17:47 |
| alterego | ~gpsd .. | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, can I convert a QString (which was a QTime) to an int? | 17:47 |
| mikki-kun | if you have mobile internet i assume :) | 17:47 |
| alterego | Sure, depending on the format of the string. | 17:47 |
| alterego | mikki-kun: or connected via adhoc wifi | 17:48 |
| alterego | Or usb networking, | 17:48 |
| jacekowski | alterego: btw. columbus is broken on my phone | 17:48 |
| alterego | It's there to be feature complete, the usb serial device and bluetooth serial device streaming are the most useful. | 17:48 |
| alterego | jacekowski: the version from -devel? | 17:48 |
| jacekowski | yes | 17:48 |
| alterego | Apparently it didn't force a librxsupport update. | 17:48 |
| alterego | Oh, I think I know why too :/ | 17:49 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 17:49 |
| alterego | I'll upload a new version in a minute. | 17:49 |
| jacekowski | where is it installed anyways? | 17:49 |
| alterego | /opt/usr | 17:49 |
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| jacekowski | unknown symbol - ...FileLoggerConfig | 17:50 |
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| alterego | Heh, that's a new one ^.^ | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | /opt/usr/bin/columbus: symbol lookup error: /opt/usr/bin/columbus: undefined symbol: _ZTV16FileLoggerConfig | 17:51 |
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| jacekowski | you depend on quite a lot of libraries | 17:52 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: that happens on startup right? | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | yes | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | one of libraries is in older version | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | or newer | 17:53 |
| alterego | libcolumbus is probably too old. | 17:53 |
| alterego | That's a bit crappy. | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | let me reinstall it | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | /opt/usr/bin/columbus: symbol lookup error: /opt/usr/bin/columbus: undefined symbol: _ZTV22Maemo5FullScreenButton | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | new one | 17:53 |
| alterego | That's because of the old librxsupport | 17:54 |
| alterego | Can you update that package. | 17:54 |
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| jacekowski | let me see | 17:54 |
| alterego | I should setup my own -devel repository so I can test migrations, seeing as most people are using -devel now :/ | 17:55 |
| jacekowski | librxsupport is already the newest version. | 17:56 |
| alterego | 0.2.0 ? | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG | doh, what's Floating point exception? | 17:56 |
| jacekowski | ii librxsupport 0.2.0-1 | 17:56 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: divide by zero | 17:56 |
| jacekowski | and couple others | 17:56 |
| jacekowski | but in 99% of cases it's divide by 0 | 17:56 |
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| kerio | SIGFPE | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure it's not division by 0 | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | if(ui->trackLengthLabel->text() != "00:00" || ui->trackLengthLabel->text() != "--:--") { | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | int length = QTime::fromString(ui->trackLengthLabel->text()).second(); | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | int percentage = (position / length)*100; | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | ui->songProgress->setValue(percentage); | 17:57 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: and what about the versions of columbus and libcolumbus? | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | oh well | 17:58 |
| * alterego should have just kept everything as one package .. :D | 17:58 | |
| * MohammadAG adds if(length != 0) | 17:58 | |
| jacekowski | 16:57 < MohammadAG> int percentage = (position / length)*100; | 17:58 |
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| jacekowski | ii libcolumbus 0.9.3-1 | 17:59 |
| jacekowski | ii columbus-plugins-core 0.9.0-2 | 17:59 |
| jacekowski | ii columbus 0.9.3-1 | 17:59 |
| alterego | Weird, that should all be fine. | 17:59 |
| alterego | Run ldconfig and try running it again. | 17:59 |
| jacekowski | it may be messed up since i was playing with that plugn problem | 18:00 |
| alterego | Hrm, maybe. | 18:00 |
| alterego | Yeah, uninstall columbus, libcolumbus, columbus-plugins-core and librxsupport. | 18:00 |
| alterego | Then make sure there's nothing left under /opt/usr | 18:00 |
| alterego | Then reinstall :) | 18:00 |
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| jacekowski | nah | 18:02 |
| jacekowski | still broken | 18:02 |
| jacekowski | unless | 18:02 |
| alterego | IS there something in your home directory? | 18:03 |
| jacekowski | loads of stuff | 18:03 |
| alterego | Any of the columbus libs or sometthing. | 18:03 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, old librxsupport | 18:03 |
| alterego | There you go then. | 18:03 |
| jacekowski | it's not overwriting old librs | 18:03 |
| jacekowski | libs* | 18:04 |
| alterego | What does ldd /opt/usr/bin/columbus do? | 18:04 |
| jacekowski | when upgrading | 18:04 |
| alterego | Oh, | 18:04 |
| jacekowski | librxsupport.so.1 => /usr/lib/librxsupport.so.1 (0x40025000) | 18:04 |
| jacekowski | but that file was olde | 18:04 |
| alterego | Hah | 18:04 |
| jacekowski | older | 18:04 |
| alterego | Exactly. | 18:04 |
| alterego | I never installed to /usr/lib | 18:04 |
| alterego | you must have put it there. | 18:04 |
| jacekowski | i have button in middle of screen | 18:04 |
| jacekowski | on startup | 18:05 |
| alterego | Right, known problem :P | 18:05 |
| jacekowski | after i pressed it onceit moved to corner | 18:05 |
| alterego | At least it runs | 18:05 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's a known minor bug | 18:05 |
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| alterego | Something to do with orientation and my stupid but pretty animations. | 18:05 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 18:12 |
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| jacekowski | btw. have anybody used marble with that offline routing? | 18:18 |
| jacekowski | or nobody is patient enough to let it finish routing? | 18:18 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:18 |
| alterego | I've not used the app at all, I heard it was just awefully slow at everything. | 18:18 |
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| jacekowski | well, marble itself looks little bit faster | 18:19 |
| jacekowski | but it's calculating 20 miles long route from one place to another for like 10 minutes now | 18:20 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:21 |
| jacekowski | and it's still routing | 18:21 |
| alterego | Think I might setup my own autobuilder/repository | 18:22 |
| jacekowski | i have my own autobuilder | 18:23 |
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| jacekowski | it's pain to setup | 18:24 |
| jacekowski | and it's even worse if you are on 64bit | 18:24 |
| alterego | Hrm | 18:24 |
| alterego | I was thinking just a few scripts that kind of do what I want. | 18:24 |
| alterego | Nothing as extravagant as what extras is. | 18:24 |
| jacekowski | you can use my autobuilder if you want to | 18:24 |
| alterego | I need something local tbh :) | 18:25 |
| alterego | Thanks for the offer though | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | which package is "file" part of? | 18:26 |
| alterego | file | 18:26 |
| alterego | Unless it's the busybox version :P | 18:26 |
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| MohammadAG | there's no bb version apparently :p | 18:27 |
| BCMM_ | they named that utility just to male conversations sound stupid, didn't they? | 18:27 |
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| BCMM_ | make, rather | 18:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10163 | 19:23 |
| povbot | Bug 10163: GPS does not automatically set time of device. | 19:23 |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: That's a bug? | 19:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | If the carrier does not broadcast time correctly, yes. | 19:38 |
| alterego | O_o | 19:38 |
| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://mxr.maemo.org/ http://maemo.gitorious.org/ http://meego.gitorious.org/ | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Epic OC fatality: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68795" | 19:38 | |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: :D | 19:40 |
| alterego | Kind of what we predicted. | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 19:40 |
| alterego | Right time frame aswell. | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | also time span til failure matches | 19:40 |
| alterego | I'm suprised it's not a _little_ bit sooner but .. :) | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 19:40 |
| ponyofdeath | hi, is there a way to change the fmms notification from email back to sms? | 19:41 |
| javispedro | nokia won't do anything | 19:41 |
| javispedro | they will probably honor the warranty | 19:41 |
| javispedro | not because of benevolence but out of pure ignorance | 19:41 |
| alterego | Yes | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm afraid they do javispedro | 19:42 |
| alterego | Indeed. | 19:42 |
| javispedro | at least on Europe I've never had to put any fight about warrantly claims like many stories I've read overseas | 19:42 |
| javispedro | (note overseas includes UK for some reason =) ) | 19:42 |
| alterego | Then we can have a load of "Nokia replaced my fried N900 because I'm an idiot OC junky, so I'm going to do it again!" | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 19:43 |
| javispedro | very true alterego | 19:43 |
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| javispedro | in fact | 19:43 |
| javispedro | if you want to scare potential overclockers it would be best not to single out this story | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | single out? | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict single out | 19:44 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'single out' (2): treat differently on the basis of sex or race ;; select from a group; "She was singled out for her outstanding performance". | 19:44 |
| javispedro | as they now will believe there was only _one_ proof of crippled n900 from all the n900 that are overclocked | 19:44 |
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| alterego | That's if they even believe, there have been so many warranty claims and I doubt the OC'rs that have already needed to make claims would blame OC'ing | 19:44 |
| alterego | We've had a lot of people come in here with hardware issues that could be attributed to OC'ing | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and not many of them will admit OC | 19:45 |
| alterego | Exactly | 19:45 |
| alterego | I think it's quite funny this guy "I have absolutely no backup of my data" | 19:46 |
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| alterego | Massive risk taker O_O | 19:46 |
| alterego | I don't OC and I keep backups up-to-date .. | 19:46 |
| alterego | At the very least backup onto a freakin' micro sd .. | 19:47 |
| alterego | (using the backup app) | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I guess there's been a reason for secret project HAM-performance implemenred on Nokia SSU servers | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 19:48 |
| javispedro | uh? | 19:48 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:48 |
| javispedro | btw now eldar says n9's been cancelled | 19:48 |
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| alterego | javispedro: I think it's a joke that, he's saying: ham is badly slow, unless you overclock ;) | 19:49 |
| korhojoa_ | ahh, it's that epic oc fatality | 19:49 |
| javispedro | from all the whacky stories he's been throwing out lately this is the one I could believe most yet still in the wacky territory ;) | 19:49 |
| korhojoa_ | i saw that earlier today | 19:49 |
| alterego | So those users that don't complain ham is slow, are obviously OCing :D | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, until they found a way to forbid OC | 19:49 |
| javispedro | alterego: hey! I don't complain ham is slow. | 19:49 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I've heard a lot of rumours about the cancellation of harmattan, this would be related to that .. | 19:49 |
| korhojoa_ | and i was about to post just after he posted it first "ah, haha. you got it locked at 950 overnight, and it died? lol :D" | 19:49 |
| korhojoa_ | i didn't though. thought it'd have been too mean | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: of course | 19:50 |
| alterego | tbh, the hardware is a year old by now. | 19:50 |
| alterego | And they really want to make a splash with meego. | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | even eldar might be right every once in a while | 19:50 |
| alterego | otoh, there was a reported sighting of an N9 on the channel on Thursday. | 19:50 |
| alterego | Remember? :) | 19:50 |
| alterego | And with MWC around the corner .. Who knows .. | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (make a splash) and meego (even HE it seems) is never going to outperform maemo, so they don't want to ship it with anything less than dual core 1.5GHz, with a 4500mAh bat | 19:51 |
| javispedro | that's nice! | 19:51 |
| ShadowJK | Or the google way of suspending apps when screen is off | 19:52 |
| javispedro | then I'll install FREEDOS FOR ARM on it, the processor will be asleep 99,9% of the time and I will get a frking phone with years battery life! | 19:52 |
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| alterego | That makulkar fellow bleating out having an RM-680 device he was attempting to use scratchbox with makes me think it's possible it's being thrown out as a dev device | 19:52 |
| alterego | Or they're ramping up for MWC :D | 19:52 |
| alterego | This is the first time we've ever heard of this project possibly being axed though .. | 19:53 |
| javispedro | protos are out there since long ago | 19:53 |
| alterego | Sure | 19:54 |
| alterego | Well, are you tatlking proto or dev boards .. | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, mohammediaplayer can play music now :p | 19:55 |
| javispedro | what's the difference between a proto and a dev board with a screen ;) | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: congrats | 19:56 |
| alterego | One looks like the finished product, imo :P | 19:56 |
| javispedro | ah. | 19:56 |
| javispedro | alterego: then, the latter. | 19:56 |
| alterego | Also, I'm pretty sure dev boards aren't referenced with RM .. | 19:57 |
| alterego | As RM is what Nokia use for mobile phone devices. | 19:57 |
| alterego | Like BT for headsets and CA for cables. | 19:57 |
| alterego | RX for black sheep internet tablets :) | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | maaahahaa | 19:58 |
| GAN900 | Well, just a few weeks now. | 19:59 |
| GAN900 | Then we can all laugh at the Nokia fail. | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder who's going to sponsor my trip to Barcelona | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, thanks :D | 19:59 |
| javispedro | alterego: what I mean by proto is actual device, ugly chassis. | 19:59 |
| alterego | tbh, I don't care. | 19:59 |
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| alterego | (about Nokia fail that is) | 19:59 |
| alterego | Whatever I get next will be what I get next :) | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, another thing, startup time is less than that of the stock player ;) | 20:00 |
| alterego | The N900 has the potential to last me for up-to two years imo | 20:00 |
| GAN900 | alterego, a very resigned sounding answer. :P | 20:00 |
| javispedro | GAN900: IMO the fail would be more silence =) | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: does it work without tracker? | 20:00 |
| alterego | GAN900: I've never been a fan boy :P | 20:00 |
| alterego | GAN900: it's not like I go out there and scream Nokia for Nokia, or scream Nokia from my blog | 20:00 |
| alterego | I've been happy with them in the past, we'll see what the future brings :) | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, not yet :P | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | then SCREW IT | 20:01 |
| alterego | If I'm not happy, I'll buy Android and install MeeGo on it. | 20:01 |
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| alterego | It's more about capabilities for me now :) | 20:01 |
| GAN900 | alterego, these days they're the only thing resembling an FOSS product in mobile devices, though. | 20:01 |
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| alterego | GAN900: yes, and hopefully that'll stayt. | 20:02 |
| alterego | GAN900: things can only get better, it's not like they're getting worse. | 20:02 |
| javispedro | oh... | 20:02 |
| javispedro | don't get us started :) | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I said yet | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | k, then GOOOO moh, GOOO! | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 20:03 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | it's more than an oversized widget now | 20:03 |
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| alterego | I'm pissed Quim hasn't replied to the email I sent him almost three weeks ago he said he'd reply to .. | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | but I broke the indicator somehow | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | and I can't figure out how | 20:03 |
| alterego | A simple "No" would be nice, even though he seemed to say "yes" before. | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: things not getting worse? You're not talking about Nokia's FOSS OS! | 20:04 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: are more or less things open now than before? (platform not applications) | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, still optimistic about MeeGo? :) | 20:04 |
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| alterego | Sure, | 20:05 |
| alterego | But I'm an optimistic person, I will continue to work where I like working. | 20:05 |
| alterego | I'm not in things for the money, it'd be nice, but I'm not. | 20:05 |
| alterego | I do this stuff because it interests me. | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | is the OS better tailored and siuted for mobile use and power conservation now? Or do we still see they're adapting a desktop centric concept to a 1000+afew mAh device | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: for the platform my answer clearly is: less open | 20:06 |
| ShadowJK | power use is pretty damn low as long as you don't leave shit running :P | 20:06 |
| * javispedro ponders | 20:07 | |
| javispedro | being desktop centric is exactly why I have Maemo... | 20:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha, yeah such as polling the accel for orientation | 20:07 |
| alterego | Yeah, the reason we're capable of running this kind of software on a device for a reasonible amount of time, is because processors and power usage and batteries are meeting those demands. | 20:07 |
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| alterego | Do you have a problem with the life of the N900 as far as battery power is concerned? | 20:07 |
| ShadowJK | Fennec is stupid and polls accel constantly.. but the default apps do stop polling accel when screen is off | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | c'mon, 3/4 of meego devels not even think about requirements of mobile devices | 20:08 |
| alterego | Good jobs those devels are working on netbook and IVI then :P | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are more conserned about "is it upstream" than to learn what IRQ-driven means | 20:09 |
| alterego | You're talking about hardware. | 20:09 |
| ShadowJK | Also there's no PM or DVFS for Omap3 in MeeGo :-) | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I thought kernel is about hw | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and middleware is about hw | 20:10 |
| javispedro | hmpf. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least on a mobile device | 20:10 |
| * javispedro disagrees here, I prefer the upstream approach much :) | 20:10 | |
| trx | what is the endianness on n900? | 20:10 |
| ShadowJK | little endian | 20:10 |
| trx | great | 20:11 |
| trx | thank you | 20:11 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: they can only develop meego on the devices they have. | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | the upstream approach is lame, as it will never result in anything tailored for mobile usage, if consequently followed | 20:11 |
| alterego | And most meego handset development seems to be done on two devices N900 and that moorestown handset. | 20:11 |
| ShadowJK | aava | 20:11 |
| wmarone | I would hope that downstream users of meego would tailor their kernel appropriately | 20:11 |
| alterego | Are you saying they should get things working and working well with what they have, or develop a load more hardware? | 20:12 |
| javispedro | I'm _willing_ to sacrifice some of the (usually stupidly called) "mobile usage patterns" for a upstreamed kernel. | 20:12 |
| ShadowJK | I like the goal of the upstream thing, to make sure that stuff isn't left bitrotting, like the ancient N8x0 kernel or our current N900 kernel... | 20:12 |
| alterego | MeeGo developers aren't to blame for Nokia or Aava hardware designers.. | 20:12 |
| trx | ShadowJK and what is bit order? | 20:12 |
| trx | reversed or "in order"? | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh for OS I fail to see what'S the whole point of ""developing"" as long as you blindly follow upstream | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the goal is to push new thing upstream, not to brainlessly follow | 20:13 |
| javispedro | that is true. and meego devs push things upstream. | 20:13 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, it's not about following upstream, it's about getting powersaving and scalability included in upstream, so that when upstream releases a new version you don't have to redo everything from scratch | 20:13 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I think if you were to hang around watching a lot of what MeeGo is doing, patches etc, you'd see that your criticism isn't that well placed. | 20:13 |
| javispedro | latest example I have in mind: who fixed the lenovo clickpad thing upstream? @meego.com guy. | 20:13 |
| alterego | They're doing things and trying to do them properly. If you have issues you should held by complaining. | 20:13 |
| javispedro | etc. etc. | 20:13 |
| alterego | Offering your opinions and good argument. | 20:13 |
| ShadowJK | Besides, that new kernel policy thing is less strict about upstream, so it might just end up bitrotting on 2.6.35 or 2.6.37 anyway :P | 20:14 |
| ShadowJK | trx, no idea really | 20:14 |
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| trx | ok | 20:14 |
| ShadowJK | Treat it like x86 with strict alignment requirements? | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: when I come with detailed analysis of kernel drivers and pointing at terribly odd concept of what's currently used in meego, compared to nice things in maemo, guess what's the answer... ""but IS IT UPSTREAM??"" | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | lol @ guy saying CPUs getting fried is rare | 20:15 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: nice things in maemo like dpkg? :) | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | They're obviously asking you if you've sent your patch to upstream and what response you got from upstream :P | 20:16 |
| trx | yeah, i will treat it like x86 | 20:16 |
| javispedro | and tbh, I agree with the "IS IT UPSTREAM RULE?" | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | MY patch??? meh, I'm feeling like going feeling pissed of even *this* discussion | 20:17 |
| javispedro | upstream is slow though, so for commercial vendors you might rewrite that to "DOES IT STAND REASONABLE CHANGE TO ENTER UPSTREAM IN THE NEAR FUTURE?" | 20:17 |
| javispedro | *CHANCE | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | upstream's a joke | 20:17 |
| alterego | javispedro: that's mostly how we work anyway :) | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | I sent a patch to Qt about segfaults on launch, no reply yet, repository's dead | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | bug's dead | 20:18 |
| alterego | That was maemo specific no? | 20:18 |
| javispedro | Qt is another story, we're talking about competent developers here =) | 20:18 |
| javispedro | </bad joke> | 20:18 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, do I care? It said Code once deploy everywhere | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | Bug and upstream handling should be the same across all platforms | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | the bug's fixed, and it says incomplete info | 20:19 |
| alterego | Even dead ones? | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | usually, you pull the plug on old software when new one arrives | 20:20 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: you gave only one month's time? | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | take shitty microsoft for example | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | they still support XP | 20:20 |
| * javispedro is sick of all the preenv pirates, I wish I could punch them all in the face via HTTP. | 20:20 | |
| alterego | javispedro: PUSH /punch.html | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | meh, slap em via P2P | 20:21 |
| alterego | s/PUSH/PUT/ | 20:21 |
| infobot | alterego meant: javispedro: PUT /punch.html | 20:21 |
| * MohammadAG sighs | 20:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lis3lv02 kernel driver is POLLING. sensorfw of course and inevitably is POLLING. There's a nice, working IRQ driven driver lis302dl in maemo, and you could architect the sensorfw in a correct way if you were wiling to push this upstream or simply adopt it for meego. But MEH | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | how hard is it click a damn app and install it | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, still want me to remove the kernel-power pull in ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68824 | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ehh? | 20:22 |
| * pupnik thinks DocScrutinizer should be listened to on this polling thing | 20:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: aah, yes, I still think it's better not to rdepend on it | 20:23 |
| pupnik | javispedro: has there been any interest from the publisher for official maemo / preenv support and downloads? | 20:24 |
| javispedro | pupnik: not a single one more. | 20:25 |
| alterego | Anyway, wtf is eldar? | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, a god of leaks | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | he gets most devices early | 20:26 |
| alterego | Any turn out to be true?} | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | well | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | he said the N97 was good, and the N900 was crap | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: what is _a_ eldar | 20:26 |
| pupnik | hahahahahah | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | so figure | 20:27 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I meant it as "who the fsck" :P | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nonono | 20:27 |
| alterego | wewewe | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | what, not who | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | he started trolling Nokia | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | post N900 afaik | 20:28 |
| alterego | So, you're guessing at what I meant. | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | and he reviewed the N8 and said it was shit | 20:28 |
| alterego | But I know what I meant. | 20:28 |
| alterego | Don't tell me what I meant | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | one day before Nokia announced it | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | they even requested an apology as it affected launch, his review was negative | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/one-of-our-children-is-missing/ | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: I'm just saying it's as wrong as "who is water" | 20:29 |
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| ShadowJK | Before the real launch or before the 7 months "oops maybe we should fix bugs first" prelaunch? | 20:29 |
| alterego | You don't think "Who the fuck is eldar" makes sense? | 20:29 |
| wmarone | nice, ubuntu vm locked up | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | Frankly, we pride ourselves on trust at Nokia, and someone has greatly betrayed that. <-- hint Nokia, mole still exists :P | 20:31 |
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| alterego | Who said that? | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia | 20:31 |
| andre__ | see URL link from MohammadAG. | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | see the link I posted | 20:31 |
| alterego | Oh, conversations. | 20:31 |
| alterego | That's last year. | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | you were asking who eldar was | 20:32 |
| alterego | Oh, he leaked the N8 back then? | 20:32 |
| alterego | Saying it was crap didn't he? | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-23 19:28:29] <MohammadAG> and he reviewed the N8 and said it was shit | 20:33 |
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| alterego | Heh | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, yes | 20:33 |
| alterego | I'm reading something else :P | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | his opinion's considered a lot on symbian forums | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | due to his previously good reputation | 20:34 |
| alterego | Hrmm | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, before you say anything, the N8's epic, hardware-wise at least | 20:34 |
| alterego | It's not to bad software either. | 20:34 |
| alterego | Seems responsive and usable .. | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: couln't you bash that USB thread starter and point him to the original thrrad? | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I wasn't going to say anything N8 related | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | that was @ alterego | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | I thought you were quoting + commenting, much like I do :P | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (I thought you were quoting + commenting,...) When I do this, I'm putting quote in brackets. You should know my style by now | 20:39 |
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| kaltsi | MohammadAG: thanks for hostmode-gui, I got my camera connected to n900 with the help of it :) | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | :D yw | 20:40 |
| * MohammadAG thanks PaulFertser for patches | 20:41 | |
| kaltsi | made a small timelapse video (hostmode-gui is there too) :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaltsi/5381150873/ | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 20:41 |
| * ShadowJK wonders what happened to C6-01 | 20:41 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: not going to be nitpicking, but kernel patches been a coproduction of Paul and me | 20:43 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, and you started the project, don't forget that | 20:44 |
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| * FauxFaux ponders finally giving in and installing pr1.3; bets on a new version being announced immediately afterwards? | 20:46 | |
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| MohammadAG | yes | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | PR1.3.3.7-1! | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | (Community SSU) | 20:47 |
| FauxFaux | Bastards! | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | kaltsi, cool vid :D | 20:48 |
| Jaffa | FauxFaux: However, having PR1.3 is a pre-req ;-) | 20:48 |
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| FauxFaux | It's still only one round of actually having to do backups, though. ;) | 20:49 |
| Jaffa | FauxFaux: Correct. Well, depending on how much you trust the testing version of the CSSU ;-) | 20:54 |
| * alterego ponders how to do database migration. | 20:55 | |
| alterego | I could just handle upgrades. | 20:55 |
| Jaffa | What's eldar's latest rumour? That RM-680 is scrapped? | 20:55 |
| alterego | Without the ability to roll back on earlier versions of software. | 20:55 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, yup | 21:03 |
| alterego | Hrm, or maybe I should do this internally in the application. | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | I'm so donating to this guy's hard work on his script http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68796 | 21:06 |
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| GAN900 | I'll laugh if it turns out to be true. | 21:06 |
| GAN900 | When is somebody going to ask Nokia the hard questions about their complete lack of consistent migration from generation to generation. . . . | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | NEVAR! | 21:08 |
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| Firzen|2 | hello | 21:14 |
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| javispedro | "generation? we had a previous generation product? impossible!!!" | 21:15 |
| javispedro | they fired the entire previous generation team either way =) | 21:15 |
| Firzen|2 | recently I installed Maemo SDK with Scratchbox and it finally works good, but I also need to compile my Qt-based applications.. | 21:16 |
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| Firzen|2 | and I haven't find any HOWTO.. only some very bad links with garbage :-/ | 21:18 |
| Firzen|2 | can somebody help me? :D | 21:18 |
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| iDont | Epic OC fatality :P? | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: LMAO | 21:33 |
| MrBawb | Firzen|2: are you looking for a howto for the whole process? or something in particular? | 21:34 |
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| Firzen|2 | MrBawb: hi, whole process please | 21:35 |
| Firzen|2 | MrBawb: I am really newbie :D | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yep, it's an awesome script, I know | 21:35 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer: Don't be mean. Everyone has to start somewhere. | 21:36 |
| MrBawb | Firzen|2: ah. I think nokia had some docs, but I don't know how helpful they are. Do you have code that works on another platform? | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I know how it is for someone to start, I was a noob a year ago | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: that's why I didn't answer to the thread on tmo | 21:36 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Indeed :-) | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | but copyrighting a script that moves from mydocs to /usr/bin? :/ | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: anyway I'm temped to ask if it's Lukas, the 11yo stepson if my friend. He started shellscripting 4 weeks ago, and was really excited about it | 21:37 |
| * MohammadAG slaps self for being an asshole | 21:37 | |
| Firzen|2 | MrBawb: yes, I have lots of working programs here I only need some way how to compile them for Maemo | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | Firzen|2: | 21:39 |
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| MohammadAG | ~maemosdk | 21:39 |
| infobot | maemosdk is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 21:39 |
| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: ?? | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | link to the SDK, you need it to compile for maemo ^ | 21:43 |
| yacc | Does dbus-scripts automatically pick up changed scripts? | 21:43 |
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| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: I already have Maemo SDK | 21:43 |
| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: and sb .. | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=926845#post926845 MUHAHAHA, sure, "just run a RAM checker" - on a device that's so fired fsckdup it doesn't even boot anymore | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/fired/fried/. | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, mentioned him above | 21:46 |
| javispedro | =) | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | he also mentions some rule, 69 or 80:20 or whatever | 21:46 |
| javispedro | also, isn't the ram on the same package | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, forgot about that | 21:47 |
| MrBawb | Firzen|2: well, the compiler in the scratchbox just makes binaries for whatever target it is set to | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | maybe we should port memtestx86 | 21:47 |
| javispedro | N9 to have holographic calls | 21:47 |
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| MrBawb | Firzen|2: so your compile process shouldn't change much if at all | 21:48 |
| Firzen|2 | MrBawb: no.. Qt libaries are just missing or damaged I don't know.. simple programs can be compilled but qt-based not | 21:48 |
| MrBawb | Firzen|2: you might just be missing the qt libraries or development package | 21:49 |
| MrBawb | Firzen|2: are you familiar with apt-get? | 21:50 |
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| Firzen|2 | MrBawb: yes.. I am trying now something :D | 21:50 |
| MrBawb | Firzen|2: just make sure you run it inside the scratchbox | 21:51 |
| Firzen|2 | MrBawb: i am sure, because outside scratchbox it works :D | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | 7271384.3s lag o_O | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get install libqt4-dev | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | Firzen|2, ^ | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | you might want to use fakeroot before that | 21:53 |
| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: "libqt4-dev is already the newest version." .. but it really does not work | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: checked what console output memtest is using? | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hmm, tty0 I guess | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | Firzen|2, compilation error is? | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (7271384.3s lag) Cesar sent you an IRC msg? :-P | 21:55 |
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| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/MyDocs/trideni-build-desktop] > make | 21:56 |
| Firzen|2 | g++ -c -pipe -O2 -Wall -W -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I../trideni -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4 -I. -I. -I../trideni -I. -o main.o ../trideni/main.cpp | 21:56 |
| Firzen|2 | In file included from ../trideni/main.cpp:2: | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | it's 7271382.8s now, improvements! | 21:56 |
| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: "class MainWindow' has no member named 'show'" I really don't understand this.. it is just impossible :D | 21:57 |
| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: I think that whole scratchbox is sick :-) | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, cool. still 82 days | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | scratchbox is sick, but all Qt apps compile in it for me | 21:57 |
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| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: and target FREMANTLE_ARMEL is ok? | 21:59 |
| mikhas | Firzen|2, *Q*MainWindow | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | yea | 22:00 |
| MrBawb | QMainWindow seems to have no show in this version | 22:00 |
| MrBawb | actually, I didn't take parent classes into consideration | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | QMainWindow can't have no show | 22:00 |
| MrBawb | ah, it's in qwidget | 22:01 |
| MrBawb | <- hasn't used qt | 22:01 |
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| MrBawb | Firzen|2: is that the first error message? | 22:02 |
| MrBawb | gotta go | 22:03 |
| Firzen|2 | MrBawb: no.. "QMainWindow: No such file or directory" even stranger :D | 22:03 |
| mikhas | #include <QtGui> | 22:03 |
| mikhas | and also, #include <QtCore> | 22:04 |
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| Firzen|2 | mikhas: it doesn't make sense .. it is generated by QtCreator | 22:04 |
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| lalalal | hi has anyone managed to watch youtube clips like you would on desktop pc? | 22:05 |
| Firzen|2 | mikhas: of course this does not work | 22:05 |
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| Firzen|2 | and all versions seems good.. | 22:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, what a bunch of idiots. I wonder if they also consider running their 2.8GHz Intel CPU at 7GHz | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I shouldn't say this - I'm the first to blame ingnorants for comparing ARM SoC to x86 | 22:32 |
| GAN900 | Teehee | 22:32 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, can I offer you some soothing kitten imagery to ease the soul's suffering? http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=kittens&m=tags :P | 22:34 |
| pupnik | ty | 22:36 |
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| kerio | :3 | 22:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaah http://www.flickr.com/photos/elycefeliz/5380789718/ ""tuned to run with 6pound of beef plus 200g instant coffe per day"" | 22:36 |
| GAN900 | What's the rotation shortcut? | 22:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer, GAN900: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9upTLWRZTfw | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | To view this video or group, please verify you are 18 or older by signing in or signing up. If you would instead prefer to avoid potentially inappropriate content, consider activating YouTube's Safety Mode. | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | why the fuck did I put my real age when I signed up | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures | 22:39 |
| GAN900 | microb is being a big baby | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ctrl + Shift + O Turns on/off Portrait mode (Requires keyboard closed to work) **Incomplete Feature** (prior to PR 1.2) | 22:40 |
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| MohammadAG | I still want orientation lock | 22:42 |
| kerio | i just pretend portrait doesn't exist | 22:42 |
| kerio | it works great | 22:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, even rtcom-call-ui can be locked to landscape :-) | 22:45 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, not what I meant | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | the iPhone does it well | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | you tick orientation lock, it blocks portrait system wide | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | highly doable if mce was open | 22:55 |
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| pupnik | i should sell an egg-shaped knockoff phone called eiphone | 22:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: too late afaik | 23:04 |
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| pupnik | wow, a 25mhz NeXTstation color that i was going to bid-on sold for 450 euro | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, wonder how much a cube would be | 23:13 |
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| pupnik | i loved the keyboards on them | 23:19 |
| pupnik | but after being on a laptop so long, the full-travel keyboards are too clunky feeling | 23:20 |
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| trumee | Anybody has tried "Advanced Clock Plugin"? | 23:21 |
| trumee | i was wondering whether it is possible to have two clocks in the Status menu showing different time zones | 23:22 |
| trumee | i usually have two clocks on my kde desktop and was hoping to do the same on N900. | 23:23 |
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| RST38h | OMG THE DRAMA! | 23:28 |
| alterego | trumee: it certainly is possible | 23:29 |
| alterego | true queen beecon can do it I guess | 23:29 |
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| trumee | alterego: i want a second clock along with the first one. QBW will only show up in the desktop space | 23:30 |
| RST38h | Eldar claims N9 has been cancelled, lemmings jump off the cliff | 23:30 |
| alterego | RST38h: :d | 23:31 |
| alterego | I thought he said RM 680 was cancelled | 23:31 |
| alterego | Which may be the Dali device | 23:31 |
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| rm_work | ono, I'm cancelled? | 23:31 |
| rm_work | oh, not me | 23:31 |
| rm_work | good :P | 23:31 |
| alterego | Wait, no Dali is something else | 23:31 |
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| GAN900 | rm_work, no, you too. | 23:33 |
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| rm_work | damn T_T | 23:33 |
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| timeless_xchat | gan900, how are you? | 23:36 |
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| RST38h | Oh well. Sleep. | 23:46 |
| pupnik | cu RST38h | 23:46 |
| GAN900 | timeless_xchat, at work on a Sunday, being consumed by soul eaters. | 23:46 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, later. | 23:46 |
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| timeless_xchat | aww :( | 23:47 |
| timeless_xchat | i wish your soul a speedy recovery | 23:47 |
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| RST38h | GAN900:firethrower helps/ | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | On the bright side, there's a used superzoom that's in my price range. *g* | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | timeless_xchat, sounds exhausting. | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, need a permit for that. | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | did you have a good time? | 23:48 |
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| timeless_xchat | yeah, we were all very proud+happy | 23:49 |
| lcuk | \o/ awesome | 23:51 |
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