IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-01-23

MohammadAGArGGu^^, i'm trying to get metadata with the lib00:00
ArGGu^^MohammadAG I used the lib before. but I wanted to make my app pure Qt00:00
ArGGu^^still need to change the notification via dbus00:00
MohammadAGpure Qt and MAFW don't work :P00:01
MohammadAGwhat's your app?00:01
ArGGu^^IrGGu irc client00:01
ArGGu^^I have not put the code anywhere yet00:01
MohammadAGoh right00:02
MohammadAGforgot that :p00:02
ArGGu^^MohammadAG bu do you have some problem using the lib?00:02
MohammadAGwhenever I call getCurrentMetadata() in the wrapper, the app segfaults00:02
MohammadAGor was that getStatus()...00:02
ArGGu^^MohammadAG here is my old class it worked just fine
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MohammadAGArGGu^^, this is the class I'm using atm, it doesn't seem to be sending anything right?
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG are you sure it find the rendered. Because some odd reason i never got any renderes with get_renderers00:15
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ArGGu^^that why I used the signals renderer-added and renderer-removed00:15
MohammadAGArGGu^^, yeah, it works with the rest of the stuff00:15
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MohammadAGbut what's a GHashTable?00:16
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG what you mean what it is?00:19
MohammadAGhow do I handle it in Qt?00:19
ArGGu^^well I do not think you can change in qt variable00:20
ArGGu^^QString::QString(g_value_get_string(mafw_metadata_first(metadata, MAFW_METADATA_KEY_ARTIST)));00:20
ArGGu^^but used it like that to get QString artist00:20
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nas_hello , I would like to play a sound from phone speakers , even bluetooth hands free is connected , any ideas how to do that ? I tried " gst-launch " but not sure how to put parameters ...00:21
MohammadAGArGGu^^, so g_value_get_string() get the value from a ghashtable?00:22
ArGGu^^first parameter is the ghastable00:22
ArGGu^^second is key00:22
ArGGu^^it returns Gvalue00:22
ArGGu^^and with g_value_get_string() you get string from Gvalue00:23
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MohammadAGArGGu^^, so umm00:35
MohammadAGmafw_metadata_first(ghashtable, gvalue)?00:36
ArGGu^^mafw_metadata_first(ghashtable, key)00:37
ArGGu^^the key is string o something like that00:37
ArGGu^^wait I check00:37
MohammadAGand that returns a gvalue, which g_value_get_string converts to a char00:38
ArGGu^^mafw_metadata_first (GHashTable *md, const gchar *key);00:38
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ArGGu^^yeah it returns GValue and g_value_get_string converts it00:39
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ArGGu^^I don'ẗ have clue what the gvalue is :S00:40
ArGGu^^but you get string from it with g_value_get_string00:40
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MohammadAG    QString artist = g_value_get_string(mafw_metadata_first(table, MAFW_METADATA_KEY_ARTIST));00:44
MohammadAG    QString songName = g_value_get_string(mafw_metadata_first(table, MAFW_METADATA_KEY_NAME));00:44
MohammadAG    QString album = g_value_get_string(mafw_metadata_first(table, MAFW_METADATA_KEY_ALBUM));00:44
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ArGGu^^you get lot of good information from there00:44
ArGGu^^MohammadAG there is no MAFW_METADATA_KEY_NAME00:45
MohammadAGthanks ArGGu^^ :D00:45
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MohammadAGyeah, just noticed that :)00:47
* MohammadAG wonders if there's a way to get qDebug to write to stderr00:48
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ieatlintqdebug defaults to stderr00:50
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MohammadAGyeah, I just learned that from #qt00:51
MohammadAGwhat writes stdout then00:51
ieatlint has info, including a link about installing a new message handler00:51
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MohammadAGstill segfaults ArGGu^^00:56
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MohammadAG code00:58
DocScrutinizerwhat's the problem to find stdout write()? just pipe to a fifo, and see which sourceline it blocks00:59
DocScrutinizergdb is for DeBugging01:00
jacekowskihe has a bug01:00
jacekowskiit's segfaulting01:00
jacekowskiMohammadAG: compile with -g01:00
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ieatlinti've not mixed glib/c and qt/c++ much... is it kosher to use a c++ function pointer in a c callback?01:01
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DocScrutinizerfor sure not01:04
ArGGu^^MohammadAG does it execute the get_current_metadata_cb at all?01:05
DocScrutinizerthe callback function needs a proper environment of own breed to live in01:05
MohammadAGsegfaults on line 1301:06
MohammadAGArGGu^^, yeah, see paste ^01:06
ieatlintgot to love a site that advertises "We pay the HAZMAT fees for you!"01:06
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messertingHi, my N900 sometimes doesn re-lock the screen if I slide it open, then close it, like it used to01:07
messertingKnown issue?01:07
ArGGu^^MohammadAG why are you giving this as parameter?01:08
ArGGu^^I mean I don't think you should send pointer to your object01:09
ArGGu^^gpointer user_data01:09
MohammadAGArGGu^^, I didn't actually write that wapper01:09
ArGGu^^that the last parameter01:09
ieatlintthat's just a pointer, it's not the problem...01:09
ieatlintthe mafw function does not touch the user_data, it just forwards it01:10
ArGGu^^well but if it try to use it someway01:10
ieatlintso no risk of sigsegv01:10
ArGGu^^aa well then it is not problem01:10
MohammadAGsegfault is in the first file line 29501:11
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MohammadAGwell that killed the convo :P01:36
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG umm I clone your git and erased all that needed the GConfItem and then compiled it01:37
ArGGu^^And it runs fine01:37
MohammadAGArGGu^^, i didn't push a broken build01:37
MohammadAG/broken source01:37
MohammadAGArGGu^^, just add mafwrenderer->getCurrentMetadata() in nowplayingwindow.cpp01:37
MohammadAGDoing it in the constructor results in a segfault01:38
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG but it does segfault because you do not have any renderer when you call mafwrenderer->getCurrentMetadata() in NowPlayingWindow constructor01:45
ArGGu^^MohammadAG add this->mafw_renderer = NULL to MafwRendererAdapter constructor so then it if (mafw_renderer) detect it false if there is no renderer01:48
ArGGu^^but in nowplaying window you start the play01:48
ArGGu^^so when you start music there is renderer01:49
ArGGu^^but not before that01:49
ArGGu^^unless there is already music playing01:49
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MohammadAGArGGu^^, that fixed the segfault, but now creating a window from NowPlayingIndicator doesn't work01:53
ArGGu^^MohammadAG what window you are trying to create from there?01:56
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MohammadAGit worked01:57
MohammadAGthanks ArGGu^^ !01:57
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ArGGu^^need to get more ram 2gb now days is too little :S02:05
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MohammadAGyeah, tell that to my desktop02:05
MohammadAGlaptop has 4GBs though :D02:05
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cehtehzram ftw!02:06
MohammadAGArGGu^^, I'm assuming you also used duration?02:10
MohammadAG    int duration = g_value_get_int(mafw_metadata_first(table, MAFW_METADATA_KEY_DURATION));02:10
MohammadAG    qDebug() << QString::number(duration);02:10
MohammadAGduration is 002:10
ArGGu^^MohammadAG I did not use it :S02:14
ArGGu^^but I can test it wait02:14
DocScrutinizermesserting: check syslog for02:14
DocScrutinizer[49238.970916] slide (GPIO 71) is now open02:14
DocScrutinizer[49247.455230] slide (GPIO 71) is now closed02:14
messertingDocScrutinizer: Yes, it correctly recognize it as closed, which is strange02:14
messertingusually, the screen locks when I close the slide, if the screen was locked when I opened it, and I didn't touch the screen02:15
DocScrutinizerhmm, then maybe you're running an app that keeps the screen on, like marble or xchat...02:15
messertingit is not like this always02:16
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messertingI think I only encountered it while wlan was in HIGH<something> (or was it LOW<samething>)02:16
DocScrutinizeror mce gets otherwise confused02:17
messertingmight be it started to do things like this after I installed SMSCon02:17
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messertingwill investigate and report back some other day - need to sleep - thanks helping :)02:19
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG yes it 0 some odd reason :S02:25
MohammadAGDescribes the duration of the item (in seconds). Its value is an integer.02:26
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MohammadAGit should work :/02:26
ArGGu^^I check if there is duration in dbus02:26
ArGGu^^because the lib uses dbus02:26
MohammadAGduration is sent somehow02:27
MohammadAGthp uses it in gpodder afaik02:27
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG there is no duration also in the dbus02:28
ArGGu^^even the return 0 duration :S02:33
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG dbus signals has duration when metadata is changed02:39
thpArGGu^^ MohammadAG: its sent as metadata when the file is played02:40
ArGGu^^so maybe you can get it with the signal02:40
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MohammadAGthp, so there's no way to get it while the file's playing?02:41
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG I think there is no way get it while file's is playing because the lib uses dbus for getting the metadata and there is no duration in the dbus02:44
ArGGu^^so only the metadata_changed signal has it02:45
MohammadAGthe stock player gets it somehow02:46
ArGGu^^MohammadAG but I do not see what the problem :S02:46
MohammadAGcould be mafw source, not the renderer02:46
ArGGu^^you just connect the signal02:46
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MohammadAGArGGu^^, this is a mediaplayer rewrite02:47
MohammadAGwe're replacing the mediaplayer02:48
MohammadAGand the mediaplayer does it fine02:48
ArGGu^^yeah I get that02:48
MohammadAGit gets the song length, even when closed/reopened02:48
MohammadAGguess it's mafw source02:49
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MohammadAGquick C++ question02:57
MohammadAGNowPlayingIndicator currently has a mafwrenderer of its own02:57
MohammadAGhow do I get it to use the parent's mafwrenderer?02:57
MohammadAGfrom nowplayingwindow.cpp02:57
MohammadAGerr, nowplayingindicator.cpp*02:57
MohammadAGnot from the parent's code02:58
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MohammadAGnah screw it03:00
MohammadAGgonna study03:00
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG the mediaplayer has to get the duration somewhere else because it has the duration even before playin the file :S03:02
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MohammadAGArGGu^^, yeah, mafw source and mafw playlist03:17
ArGGu^^there is mafw_source_browse could that give the duration :S03:19
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ArGGu^^well I need to go to sleep03:32
ArGGu^^good night03:33
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BCMMhuh, looks like kinetic scrolling kinda screws up a QListView's selection...04:03
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BCMMit briefly appears to highlight the item you tapped, then works out you're scrolling, not tapping, and the highlight returns to the previous-selected thing (this is all correct)04:04
BCMMbut after scrolling, the originally highlighted thing appears selected, but selectionModel()->currentIndex() returns the one you tapped over to start the scroll04:05
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, ping05:00
psycho_oreoswould you happen to know matan's alternative site? trying to find his latest builds for mhd or hildon-desktop, hildon-home, etc05:01
psycho_oreosthere' but that's not the one I'm looking for05:01
MohammadAGsvgalibs i think?05:01
pupnik_hey MohammadAG05:01
MohammadAGhey pupnik_05:02
psycho_oreoshumm I'll search for that, thanks05:02
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, enable the SSU, it's about to launch anytime soon05:02
pupnik_MohammadAG: my mood right now
MohammadAGit has mhd05:02
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MohammadAGpupnik_, :D05:02
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, yeah I have SSU enabled I managed to get 9 desktops working via maemodder but maemodder installs hildon-desktop version 2.2.140-1+0m5 and for some reason I have the 2.2.141-1 version of hildon-desktop along with modified-hildon-desktop_3.1_armel.deb.. hmm that gives me another idea05:05
MohammadAGdpkg -r modified-hildon-desktop05:05
pupnik_that's just my mood05:06
rhkfinGot my N900 back from warranty & need to re-install. Is there a reason for not to use the original partition layout?05:06
pupnik_it's not a productive mood at all05:06
MohammadAGand reinstall the SSU hd05:06
SpeedEvilrhkfin: I resized MyDocs to 4M05:07
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SpeedEviland added an ext3 /home/user/data05:07
SpeedEvilworks for me05:07
pupnik_but i'm a surprisingly good photographer - that was one take05:07
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, yeah I don't have modified-hildon-desktop installed.. by SSU you meant Nokia's SSU or some other repo?05:08
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, ta :)05:09
rhkfinSpeedEvil: ok, right05:11
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rhkfinon what partition are the apps installed by default?05:18
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SpeedEvilapps are on /opt - an alias for /home05:30
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rhkfinSpeedEvil: and home partition is 2G by default? I see..05:33
rhkfinif I use a uSD card, where is it mounted? As extra somewhere under home?05:33
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SpeedEvil /media/mmc105:35
SpeedEvilI vaguely recall05:35
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Termanagood morning07:23
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Gh0styDocScrutinizer: you are coming to fosdem, right? :P10:46
DocScrutinizersorry, no "time"10:46
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Gh0stynot even time for beers? :P10:51
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Juozapashi how to enable utf8 encoding on email client?10:59
DocScrutinizerGh0sty: transport is too expensive nowadays11:00
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Gh0styDocScrutinizer: well if you would come give a talk ...11:00
Gh0styyou could get sponsoring perhaps :P11:01
Gh0styand anyway you come from germany thats doable11:01
Gh0stya lot of people come from the UK/USA ...11:01
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Gh0stythats a tiny bit further11:01
Gh0styand you can get multiple beers if you come from me :P11:01
Gh0sty(I am crew btw)11:01
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Gh0styanyway but ok ... no problem :)11:02
Gh0styif sysadmin stuff interests you11:02
DocScrutinizera lot of people have their own lear jet, that's also a bit more expensive than staying in bed11:02
Gh0stya bit later there is ... loadays ( which is a sysadmin conference11:02
thpMohammadAG: i save the duration at the start when it's loaded, then i can always retrieve it locally :)11:02
Gh0styDocScrutinizer: bonn is close to you  ?11:03
DocScrutinizertoo far to walk11:03
Gh0styperhaps I go again this summer or something to froscon ...11:03
Gh0stythats near bonn11:03
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Gh0stynot sure if they have any good beers there11:04
Gh0stybut I could bring some :P11:04
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* thresh mornings everyone11:05
Gh0styhello thresh11:05
thresham I right assuming choosing 'Connect automatically: Any connection' would connect my GPRS/3G data connection every time WLAN is not available?11:06
Gh0styDocScrutinizer: oh yes is there a way to disable the "whenever I find network start looking for possible updates" behavior?11:07
threshthat's on n900, if it matters :)11:07
Gh0stythresh: i guess so11:07
Gh0styoh and another good question:11:07
Gh0styis it possible by script to disable the fact that my cellphone is locking (as in: with a locking code)11:08
Gh0stywould like to fix something like:11:08
Gh0stywhenever my bluetooth headset is connect (so I'm probably in the car ...) do not lock the damn thing cause it makes it difficult to dial numbers while driving when its locked ...11:09
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Gh0styooh think i found something ...11:12
Gh0stygconftool -s -t bool /system/osso/dsm/locks/devicelock_autolock_enabled true11:12
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Gh0styso now to findout how I can create an event when bluetooth is connected / disconnected11:13
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DocScrutinizerGh0sty: I'd suggest you use a 12V charger and "don't lock while charging" :-P11:16
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Gh0styalso possible but always charging while in the car is not really good for the battery11:17
Gh0stycan't I do something like when a bluetooth device is connected AND the bluetooth device is a particular brand11:17
Gh0styand anyway I have autodisconnect on bluetooth also11:17
DocScrutinizerthresh: yes11:17
Gh0styI enable bluetooth only when I'm in the car connecting my headset11:18
Gh0styor when syncing and I dont have a cable near ...11:18
DocScrutinizerGh0sty: check hcitool11:18
Gh0styso its not like BT is constantly on11:18
DocScrutinizerGh0sty: I'm just handwaving11:18
buntfalkeIs there a Qt-based replacement for Hildon for Fremantle?11:19
DocScrutinizerGh0sty: probably monitoring dbus might give you some ideas11:20
Gh0stythere is again dbus11:20
Gh0stydamn I should really learn dbus :(11:20
threshDocScrutinizer: shweet11:21
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rhkfinHow do you use Facebook on N900? effing? facebrick?
HoxzerFaceBook is for people with a life.11:52
doc|homefacebook? what's that?11:53
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ShadowJKanother overclocked to death device spotted on tmo12:10
MohammadAGjust saw it12:12
MohammadAGShadowJK, another?12:12
MohammadAGthere was someone else?12:12
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ShadowJKI remember some others from before12:12
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ShadowJKone complaining his emmc is corrupting all the time and that he has to reinstall twice a week12:13
MohammadAGfunny how he says warranty expired 4 days ago12:13
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: link12:13
MohammadAGcompletely overlooked the fact it was warranty-less12:14
keriowhen is the warranty going to expire for the first EU devices?12:14
ShadowJKNovember 2011 or so12:15
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MohammadAGat least Matan can stfu12:17
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trumeeDocScrutinizer, you have started clicking on random links :p12:26
DocScrutinizernope, au contraire. I asked for the link. Thanks MohammadAG12:27
MohammadAGlol yw12:27
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marlawhello everyone12:32
ptleven me?12:32
marlawyesterday I lost my n90012:32
Juozapasis it possible to auto remove email notification on n900 if i read that mail via computer ?12:32
marlawit served me for one year12:32
SpeedEvilmarlaw: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!12:32
marlawSpeedEvil, it is the sad truth12:32
SpeedEvilmarlaw: Did an alligator rip it from your arm, biting off your hand at the same time?12:33
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Juozapasmarlaw: bad news ... :|12:33
trumeeLoosing N900 is a scary thought to me. so much personal info on iy12:34
marlawit's all my fault, I had one too many and my mobile was in my jacket and I think I didn't watch it a couple of times12:34
SpeedEviltrumee: yep.12:34
trumeewould be happy if the addressbook could be encrypted12:34
* SpeedEvil wishes encryption was present.12:34
Juozapasis any gps tracking program exist in case of left n900 in some cafe ?12:34
marlawthere is some software Juozapas12:35
SpeedEvilI vaguely remember some - it's dependant on it turning up of course12:35
marlawbut I didn't configrue it, but also, my battery was dead and furthermore I had both the pink and phone lock on start up12:35
SpeedEvilI mean you installing it first12:35
Juozapasmarlaw: yeah me too, i'm using screen lock12:36
marlawnow I need to get something relatively quick - i.e. this week12:36
marlawand i'm totally not sure what12:36
SpeedEvilmarlaw: :/12:36
* SpeedEvil notes the n900 is still available.12:36
SpeedEvilThough not, perhaps as shiny as it was when first available, as the price hsan't come down much.12:37
marlaweither get a new n900 (or used for that matter) or get like the meego one (but when is it going to be out?)12:37
SpeedEvilmarlaw: I would be surprised to see the n9 in under 3 months.12:37
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marlawthe other thing is that i quite like the phisical keyboard and i don't think the n9 will have it12:37
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Juozapasyeah physical keyboard ftw12:38
Juozapasi can't imagine typeing on a screen12:38
SpeedEvilTyping on a screen is bearable - if you don't need anything else on the screen.12:38
marlawI tried a software one on one of the first android phones (not the g1, the one afterwards) and it wasn't great12:39
SpeedEvilOr if you have transparent fingers.12:39
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marlawbut it is also true that they got much better (in fact the iPhone was pretty decent on day one) .. but i'm not an iphone fan as it comes fully locked down12:39
trumeeN9 will not have a keyboard?12:39
marlawtrumee, from the pics I've seen I don't think so12:40
marlawbasically .. I'm kind of considering the nexus s12:40
trumeebut E7 has a keyboard!12:40
marlawbut is E7 meego ?12:40
trumeesymbian prolly12:40
marlawI will miss my ssh, python, aircrack .. my lovely debian chroot ..12:41
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trumeemarlaw, no ssh on android?12:41
marlawConnectBot or something like that is available12:42
marlawbut is nothing like going ssh on your terminal installed by default12:42
trumeemarlaw, but no ssh server?12:42
marlawI'm not even sure I'd be any use12:42
marlawis not like you've got busy box installed .. or at least i don't think so12:42
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marlawand to make me even less sure about what to do, i think work is going to get me a bb soon (within a few weeks)12:43
marlawbb -> blackberry, or crackbery as they call it12:43
Juozapasand blackberry use symbian right ?12:44
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marlawnope - their own OS12:44
Juozapasis it good ? never had bb12:44
marlawi'm not a fan of symbian .. had it on at least 4 mobiles .. not going back to it12:44
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marlawI think I played with it once, is supposed to be the ultimate tool for work emails and possibly vpns but that should be about it12:45
alteregoSymbian was great when it was on the N9512:45
marlawsymbian was great when there was nothing else12:45
marlawi.e. the day that android or iphone os came out it was dead to me12:45
alteregoIt was quite good before  the N95 and it's been rubish since then and the now N8 which is very good.12:45
alteregoSo you want an iPhone then?12:46
marlawwell .. look i don't hate it12:46
marlawhell no12:46
trumeeSip works perfect on symbian12:46
alteregoYou want an Android phone?12:46
marlawworked good on my n90012:46
trumeeand even on android i have heard12:46
trumeebut sucks on N90012:47
marlawIdeally I want something with maemo/meego with fresher hardware12:47
alteregoI don't think hardware is the problem.12:47
marlawI got a few ex-symbian devs working at my company12:47
trumeemarlaw, no choppy audio on sip for you?12:47
alteregoI'd like hdmi out and a compass12:47
alteregoMaybe a bit more ram12:47
marlawtrumee, I did have a few problems but it always had to do with my wireless connection beeing not great (i'd lose my wifi from some places in my house)12:48
alteregoOh, a headset media remote12:48
trumeemarlaw, what router do you use12:48
marlawhardware is the problem in the sense that it is not the fastest thing out there and the n900 was chunckier then other mobiles12:48
marlawdd-wrt on a linksys12:48
trumeemarlaw, standing next to a openwrt router and sip sucks12:49
alteregomarlaw: I don't see that as a problem12:49
trumeemarlaw, and i have linksys wrt54gl running ddwrt with same response12:49
marlawwhat annoys me is that the other OS make a dinstinction as to how you are connected to the internet (3g or wifi) as to what you can do next in terms of software (see skype, sip and what not)12:49
marlawand i find that unacceptable12:49
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marlawsame with tethering12:49
alteregoI didn't get it because it was the sleakest looking or the most powerful12:50
alteregoI'm not some kind of alien ware gaming freak...12:50
marlawmine is a wrt54gs version 7 (i.e. i can only run micro dd-wrt)12:50
MohammadAGalterego, alienwares are too weak for you12:50
marlawi don't care about games .. i'm a software developer and I quite like to have python and a shell in general available12:50
marlawbut also full control of everything12:51
trumeemarlaw, Nokia guys didnt implement PSM mode well on N900. N95 has a better PSM mode.12:51
alteregomarlaw, right, so you actually donmt care what it looks like or how powerful it is then ..12:51
marlawwhat's ps ?12:51
marlawgrrr .. s/ps/psm12:51
alteregoWhat's with all the contradictions ..12:51
trumeemarlaw, Power Saving Mode12:51
marlawwith the lastest release of pr 1.3 + updates my n900 was having a decent battery life12:51
marlaweven better with overclock12:52
marlawno i don't need that much power but sometimes the n900 was laggy12:52
marlawand it is chuncky .. it's big .. are you happy to see me or you just have a big phone ??12:52
marlawi think that's because of the keyboard mainly12:52
trumeemarlaw, PSM is for saving power on wifi connection12:52
alteregomarlaw: keyboard, awesome, camera, battery ...12:53
marlawlook don't take me wrong .. i had the n800 before12:54
marlawthe n900 was def a good upgrade both software and hardware12:54
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alteregoI think you're getting you wrong.12:54
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marlawI don't think you're necessarily wrong12:55
marlawI'm confused indeed12:55
alteregoI get it, you're a poser :P12:55
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alteregoSeriously, even now, there is nothing that comes close to the N900 for me.12:56
marlawone thing I hated about it was charging .. it had to be connected to a computer or original cable, a non-smart usb powered source had to have some pin shorted in order to work12:56
alteregoNothing that can replace it's flexibility and power (maybe not hz) but raw capability12:56
marlawyeah but buying a n900 now at that price is not ideal12:56
marlawalterego, I'm so afraid that this was the case12:56
alteregoReally? Can't say I've had problems charging12:57
trumeealterego, i am very happy with N900 except for the poor sip quality12:57
alteregoBut I've got like 4 CA101 cables12:57
marlawI remember when I was in thailand i needed my pdf ticket, so I sshed home found the file and scped it back to my mobile ..12:57
alteregotrumee: well, I've used skype a bit and it was fine for me.12:58
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* trumee doesnt use skype12:58
alteregoNot sure what sort of quality you expect from a mobile phone tbh12:58
marlawto make phone calls regardless of sip, skype, 3g, old fashioned gsm ?12:58
marlawI mean my e71 did sip pretty well with symbian, you're right trumee12:59
povbotBug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem?13:00
marlawso you would all re-buy the n900 if you lost it ?13:00
alteregoWell, like I said, no experience in sip calls :)13:00
SpeedEvilmarlaw: I have mine insured.13:00
marlawat that price ?13:00
rhkfinmarlaw: definitely.13:00
trumeemarlaw, sip rocks on my N9513:00
SpeedEvilmarlaw: For accidental damage and theft13:00
alteregomarlaw: yes, but mine is insured :j13:00
rhkfinmarlaw: but I also am now installing to get it back if I lost it :)13:01
alteregoSo, I would spend the 60 quid excess13:01
marlawI got that installed - but is not going to do any good, lock + pin + battery dead13:01
alteregorhkfin: what if they change the sim13:01
* rhkfin bought mine for 250e, second hand. The USB charger broke -> warranty repair -> they replaced the whole device except battery & back cover..13:01
trumeemarlaw, i will not buy N900 again because of poor SIP support13:01
marlawI think smscon can be configured to notify you back too13:01
marlawright, so, trumee, where would you look then, android ?13:02
marlawor just wait for some meego to come out ?13:02
trumeemarlaw, yes probably13:02
rhkfinalterego: they still can send SMS's - and yes, when it recognises new sim, it'll notify me13:02
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rhkfinit's a win :)13:02
trumeemarlaw, yes perhaps wait for meego13:02
n900-spacehi allllll13:02
marlawbut they'll need to flash it on mine in order to get rid of the lock at boot up no ?13:02
rhkfinmarlaw: yes13:03
n900-spacecan anyone tell me y does this command not work on my n900 .. mkfs -t vfat /dev/mmcblk113:03
marlawwhich means that smscons is not going to do anything13:03
trumeemarlaw, problem is the meego uses the same libraries as N900. so dont know if things will work better there13:03
rhkfinmarlaw: if the directly go and reflash it then it's lost13:03
marlawrhkfin, yeah, so, maybe it would have been better to not have the lock :)13:03
rhkfinmarlaw: but not very many can flash it say within 30 minutes after finding it13:03
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marlawyeah but without battery is not going to do me any good13:04
rhkfinmarlaw: maybe yes13:04
marlawn900-space, did you unmount the partition ?13:04
Juozapasbut why use this sms style13:04
rhkfinJuozapas: if no interent is available.13:04
marlawn900-space, what error do you get ?13:04
Juozapasoh ok..13:04
rhkfinBut it is able to open ssh tunnel over GPRS too13:04
n900-spacehmm, If I do a umount /media/mmc1 this will unmount right ?13:05
marlawn900-space, it should13:05
n900-spaceok the error is13:06
marlawbe carefull though .. you don't want to fuck up the internal memory13:06
marlawand pardon for my french13:06
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n900-space"mkfs.vfat: no such file or directory"13:06
n900-spacemarlaw: i'm running this easy debian console.13:06
marlawseems like you don't have installed something ?13:06
marlawwhy do you want to do that within easy debian ?13:07
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n900-spaceit will work on the normal terminal of n900 with root ?13:07
n900-spacei think i did try but it didnt work either13:07
marlawapt-cache search mkfs , then go install apt-get install the vfat if not installed13:07
n900-spacewhat have i not installed13:07
marlawn900-space, normal terminal will work yes13:07
n900-spaceso the install command with be "apt-get install vfat"13:08
marlawno I don't think so13:08
marlawI can check on my debian on my box13:08
n900-spacehey i have to leave for 15 minutes13:08
n900-spacei'll be back in a while13:08
marlawno worries13:08
marlawso unless someone can suggest something better I'll go and look at the nexus s ..13:09
rhkfinHmm.. it'd be nice if the SMSCON command messages weren't shown on the screen..13:09
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marlawrhkfin, are they ? I never tested it13:09
rhkfinIf you have a stolen phone and receive 'location' SMS, I wouldn't feel very safe..13:09
rhkfinmarlaw: yes they are..13:09
marlawyeah if I was the thief I'd just take the battery out13:10
marlawand then play with it in an area without signal13:10
rhkfinwow, it send me a google maps link :)13:10
marlawbut then again most thiefs are not smart13:10
rhkfinmarlaw: true13:10
marlawi mean small thiefs13:10
marlawnot oceans 11 ones :)13:10
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nid0rhkfin, a semi solution to that limitation is to set the command trigger to something different and less obvious13:11
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marlawor perhaps use a lower level API13:12
marlawor maybe mms since they're not supported by default13:13
marlawso they shouldn't show up13:13
alteregoI like how MeeGo has MMS out-of-the-box13:13
alteregoOr at least will.13:13
marlawbut in general 3g + dyndns callback does wonders13:13
marlawalterego, what makes you sure btw ?13:14
alteregoMaemo should have had ofono from the beginning tbh13:14
alteregomarlaw: because I do a fair amount of meego development :P13:14
marlawoh cool13:14
rhkfinnid0: marlaw yes, I think ssh callback is great - but I need to enable that over ssh13:14
alteregoStill no community mms ux app yet though.13:15
korhojoa_hm, guys? anyone tried putting swap on a usb flash drive/HD ?13:15
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marlawyep .. and i had a job at home that would copy (rsync) the whole of my n900 to my local box so i didn't lose anything13:15
marlawkorhojoa_, I don't think that's a good idea13:15
marlawi mean flashdrive13:15
marlawhd is ok13:15
korhojoa_why not?13:16
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marlawalthough via usb you don't have great latency and it will use more cpy13:16
korhojoa_I mean, if people use µSD for swap?13:16
ShadowJKkorhojoa_, they're friggin slow for swap, for one13:16
ShadowJKnormal harddrive is faster13:16
korhojoa_ShadowJK: well not some crap drive, a real one13:16
marlawSSD and USB flash disks are very different in terms of controllers13:16
DocScrutinizermarlaw: you can charge from non-standards conforming (usual) USB-wallchargers13:16
ShadowJKYeah if it's a proper SSD it's fast13:17
marlawDocScrutinizer, yeah you need to short two pins13:17
korhojoa_true. don't they use some bulk transfer mode that makes accessing small chunks slow?13:17
DocScrutinizerwith help of a bit of sw - do that on any other phone13:17
marlawDocScrutinizer, really ? via software ? that's nice13:17
marlawi.e. the same tricks used for host mode ?13:17
DocScrutinizertrumee: My SIP works excellent on N90013:17
ShadowJKkorhojoa_, no it's more that you need a 400MHz ARM cpu and 64-128 Megs of ram inside the drive to make flash not suck13:17
DocScrutinizermarlaw: exactly13:18
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DocScrutinizermarlaw: ask ShadowJK :-D13:18
trumeeDocScrutinizer, with PSM off?13:18
marlawI will miss it .. it was my little super portable laptop with some phone functionality :{13:19
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe with PSM medium, yes13:19
korhojoa_ShadowJK: er, okay? i've got a ssd that i used to use for a htpc, that might work?13:19
ShadowJKkorhojoa_, what model is it?13:19
marlawssd doesn't love swap13:19
korhojoa_total overkill, but should allow for serious multitasking13:19
DocScrutinizermarlaw: get a new one - you won't find anything better13:19
marlawI'd have no swap or a small one13:19
korhojoa_ShadowJK: it's a ocz core series, the original13:19
ShadowJKah those are pretty slowass13:20
ShadowJKslower than harddrives for swap13:20
korhojoa_probably :D13:20
marlawDocScrutinizer, it annoys me that it still costs a lot and that while software wise (and openess)  it's the best the hardware is not that great anymore13:20
korhojoa_I'd just like a way to keep the phone charged while using hostmode.13:20
ShadowJKOCZ Vertex is the first one that doesn't suck :)13:21
korhojoa_Then I could lug around a small 1tb drive with everything on it.13:21
marlawa small 1tb ?13:21
DocScrutinizermarlaw: for me the hw is just good enough13:21
marlawwhat's a big one korhojoa_ ?13:21
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korhojoa_full-size keyboard and mouse + projector -> mobile computer13:21
DocScrutinizerBAH fullsize kbd13:21
marlawI could always get a bt keyboard and a keyboard less mobile13:22
DocScrutinizeruse a laser vkbd!13:22
korhojoa_marlaw: well, a 2.5" sized one vs a 3.5" (or 2x3.5" sized one like my wd thing)13:22
korhojoa_i don't like those laser things13:22
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korhojoa_they hurt to type on13:22
trumeeDocScrutinizer, ah! PSM medium. What about PSM full on?13:22
korhojoa_and not that accurate13:22
marlawkorhojoa_, just kidding :)13:22
marlawanyway, swap is best not on ssd13:22
DocScrutinizeror a flexible real hw kbd taht you can stash away inside the phone :-P13:22
korhojoa_haha. it would be funny though, to drag around this huge monster HD, just to get like 8 terabytes of storage on your phone13:22
marlawif you have enough ram i'd avoid swap alltogether13:22
marlawor just put it on the normal drive13:23
korhojoa_yeah. now, how do we solder on some more ram?13:23
alteregoYou can't13:23
marlawi did that before on my 950013:23
marlawnokia decoder13:23
alteregoNot really ...13:23
DocScrutinizertrumee: that's all pointless, as PSM depends on your particular AP13:23
marlawextra ram oh yeah13:23
alteregoIf you want extra ram you'll have to wait for the next device.13:23
* DocScrutinizer just wonders if you could switch PSM off during calls13:23
korhojoa_alterego: or we dissolve the top of the chip with acetone, and fix this issue13:24
marlawdoes anyone use sipgate for they sip service ?13:24
alteregoDocScrutinizer: possibly if it exports a upnp iface :)13:24
DocScrutinizeralterego: yeah, or piggyback another PoP RAM chip on back of SoC13:24
korhojoa_i'm thinking even the nokia engineers would be impressed when they see a modded device with 2 gigs or something13:24
ShadowJKI don't think swap on ssd is bad, certainly less bad than on emmc/uSD because SSDs have enough cpu and ram to do wear leveling..13:24
trumeeDocScrutinizer, i have tried openwrt/dd-wrt and PSM on gives poor quality13:25
trumeeDocScrutinizer, i dont understand why your shitty router is bestter13:25
marlawperhaps cause it doesn't have psm ? :P13:25
DocScrutinizermy PSM setting is better. With PSM full on I get lags in ssh of ~60s sometimes13:25
alteregoDocScrutinizer: after idling?13:26
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alteregoYeah, not uncommon13:26
alteregoI get the same at my parents13:26
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ShadowJKheh. My "Level One" cheapo router from china is way btter (psm and range) than the 3 times more expensive "Linksys by Cisco" WRT54GL :)13:26
trumeeDocScrutinizer, with PSM on medium N900 sucks a lot of juice13:26
kaltsianyone know what is the 'pmtrackerd' process on n900?13:27
marlawone thing i don't get about meego is why it ships with gtk and they didn't deprecate it yet13:27
DocScrutinizertrumee: anyway, pointless. Get a better AP. I'll change my AP-router today - D-LINK DR415 :-P13:27
marlawi don't like the mess of libraries I got installed on my desktop and i don't get why we should get the same situations on mobile land13:28
DocScrutinizerprolly I'll see same problems you're running into then13:28
trumeeDocScrutinizer, i have a very good AP. Buffalo N router13:28
trumeeDocScrutinizer, bought it couple of weeks ago just for N90013:28
trumeeDocScrutinizer, ditched my wrt54gl13:28
lardman|homeanyone know about kernel boot-time consoles?13:29
trumeeDocScrutinizer, would be interesting to know how you fare with your dlink router13:29
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: fb-enabled kernel -> lot's of instabilities13:30
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lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: yes I have that13:30
trumeeDocScrutinizer, Buffalo  WZR-HP-G300NH13:30
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lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: just wondering about kernel command line console argument, and enabling fbcon, etc13:30
DocScrutinizerask MohammadAG13:31
lardman|homeMohammadAG: ping13:31
MohammadAGit's just a kernel config13:31
trumeeShadowJK, what router is that? and how do you evaluate PSM?13:32
ShadowJKtrumee, N900 doesn't lag and doesn't get warm ;p13:33
lardman|homeMohammadAG: I'm trying to see boot-time messages on my Galaxy Tab13:33
lardman|homeMohammadAG: framebuffer console is enabled13:33
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lardman|homeso I'm wondering firstly if I need to set something on the kernel cmd line, and secondly if I need to activate the fbcon using a sysfs entry13:34
MohammadAGlardman|home, and it doesn't show?13:34
lardman|homeno, I just see the Samsung logo13:34
MohammadAGwith the correct config, it should show13:34
DocScrutinizerwell, given the fact musb-core is monolitic in kernel, you might be able to have USB console13:34
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trumeeDocScrutinizer, would it be interesting to switch PSM to switch off using dbus or something13:35
lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: yeah I've enabled rndis, so I could have a console over a usb-ethernet connection13:35
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lardman|homeor as you say a direct usb serial link13:35
lardman|homebut how? I guess one passes a different console setting on the kernel command line?13:35
trumeeDocScrutinizer, but PSM change might need a wifi connect/disconnect i think.13:35
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: yep13:35
lardman|homeatm the setting is console=ttySAC2,11520013:36
lardman|homeI've tried adding in a second console=tty013:36
lardman|homeno change though13:36
DocScrutinizerI think I've seen kernel commandlines comprising console=USB13:36
lardman|homethat assumes there's a /dev/USB I guess13:36
MohammadAGCONFIG_CMDLINE="init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6"13:36
MohammadAGthat's the N900's13:37
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DocScrutinizeron snd-soc you lost me13:37
MohammadAGit's stock, don't ask me! :P13:37
lardman|homeok, so it writes to a log file via a dev entry and also out to tty013:38
MohammadAGspeaker limits afaik13:38
DocScrutinizerquite possible13:38
DocScrutinizerbut that would mean kernel has xprot13:38
lardman|homeI also have tty0 enabled, but nothing on the screen, so the question is whether the fbcon device is being used/loaded to display the tty0 output I suppose?13:38
MohammadAGwho wants to risk a couple of speakers :P13:38
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MohammadAGhave a look at the fbcon driver then13:39
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DocScrutinizerhave a look at your kernel. I gather that's samsung13:39
alteregoWhat has fbcon have to do with speakers?13:39
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DocScrutinizersnd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6"13:40
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alteregoI reckon maemo 5 would look much better with a prettier toolbar area13:41
DocScrutinizerecho "o/"; sleep 180013:41
alteregoIt's always been an aspect of the UI that's bugged me13:42
MohammadAGalterego, hildon-status-menu is open13:42
n900-spacemarlaw: hey i'm back,  i was asking you about mkfs returning vfat as "no such file or directory"13:42
alteregoNot the status bar13:42
alteregoThe tool bar is the application specific area at the bottom13:42
MohammadAGlike microB's?13:42
alteregoYeah, microbs, xterms etc.13:43
marlawn900-space, try again as root on the standard xterm (not debian)13:43
MohammadAGI still want a one-lined status-menu :P13:43
MohammadAGwould save screen estate13:43
alteregoDon't get you13:43
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alteregoOne lined? As in thiner?13:44
MohammadAGcurrently it has icons on two lines13:44
MohammadAGlower that to one line, stack icons next to each other, make clock smaller13:45
n900-spacemarlaw: on the n900 root its says mkfs not found13:45
MohammadAGMeeGo, Android, iOS, all use a smaller status-menu13:45
MohammadAGhow do I export /dev/mmcblk0p5 over USB...13:46
DocScrutinizern900-space: use ``root'', not ``sudo gainroot''13:46
lardman|homethe other thing, of course, is that one doens't see the console messages on the N900 unless you change the bootloader13:46
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marlawn900-space, it's there, just not on your path .. should be in /usr/bin shouldn't it ? or maybe in /sbin13:46
MohammadAGyou can't change NOLO13:47
n900-spacei'm typing root, and then after that i wrote "mkfs -t vfat /dev/mmcblk1" and it returns me that error that mkfs not found13:47
lardman|homeyou only see them with u-boot though, not with the standard setup13:47
alteregoI like the current size of the status bar.13:47
MohammadAGlardman|home, no13:47
DocScrutinizermarlaw: it's in path when you get a full root login, not that crippled sudo gainroot13:47
MohammadAGuBoot displays its own messages13:47
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MohammadAGif you install a kernel with y, it'll wor13:47
lardman|homefor normal N900 builds?13:47
MohammadAGand add 3 reboots to your boot time13:48
n900-spaceDocScrutinizer: i open the terminal and i type root and then i'm typing the commands but it cant see its there, ie if its there13:48
DocScrutinizern900-space: mkfs.vfat13:48
DocScrutinizern900-space: use tab13:48
marlawDocScrutinizer, yeah, I generally ssh from my box .. full keyboard :)13:48
MohammadAGmkfs.vfat reports "Unsupported memory card format"13:49
MohammadAGyou need to use the filemanager to get the vfat it expects13:49
MohammadAGsuch a retarded concept that it doesn't detect FS type13:49
lardman|homeah good, finally I see output13:49
lardman|homenice one MohammadAG13:49
infobot[xyawn] sleep13:50
MohammadAGyou compiled a kernel that fast?13:50
n900-spaceDocScrutinizer: hmm, its in the path right, but i guess my partitions on the card are messed up, i says "mkfs.vfat: failed whilst writing reserved sector"13:50
lardman|homeyes, whole kernel only takes 90s13:50
lardman|homeand this was only a part build13:50
lardman|homeI have a quad core monster build machine13:50
MohammadAGrecreate the partition table13:51
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MohammadAGyou run mkfs on a partition13:51
lardman|homeno, am only flashing the kernel and modifying initamfs13:51
MohammadAGnot a device block13:51
lardman|homeah not me, /me tries a boot13:51
n900-spaceso it should be mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk1p1 MohammadAG13:51
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DocScrutinizerusually yes13:51
* MohammadAG sighs @ freenode lag13:52
DocScrutinizerunless you want a superfloppy13:52
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lardman|homehmm, well it's text mode now at least, but it just says "ANDROID" in the middle of the screen, so I guess that might be some sort of text-only splash screen13:52
n900-spacewhen I use /dev/mmcblk1p1 it says "no such file or directory"13:53
n900-spacei'm repartitioning the card13:53
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MohammadAGrecreate partition table13:53
n900-spacenow fdisk is not included in the default n900 installation?13:54
n900-spacecuz i just got fdisk: not found13:54
MohammadAGsfdisk's there13:54
n900-spaceworks the same? same commands?13:54
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DocScrutinizeror HFM, format card13:54
knightstalkerHey,any browsers which support SOCKS proxy?13:54
MohammadAGnot sure, I use gparted :P13:54
DocScrutinizerno, sfdisk sucks13:55
DocScrutinizerapt-get install cfdisk13:55
n900-spaceso i should just launch easdebian debsu and use that right?13:55
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DocScrutinizeror hey, format it on your PC! :-P13:55
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n900-spacei only have windows on my laptop right now :$13:56
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n900-spaceand i want a swap and a fat13:56
DocScrutinizerwill create partitions just fine13:56
DocScrutinizerooh, you want a partitoned uSD13:56
n900-spaceusing the windows disk management ?13:57
n900-spaceit wont create a swap13:57
n900-spacea linux swap plus a windows fat13:57
n900-spaceok i'm using the easy debian fdisk, it will work just fine13:57
DocScrutinizerinstall cfdisk, or gparted13:57
MohammadAGon the N900?13:58
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DocScrutinizeryou suggested that?13:58
n900-spacejust installed a cfdisk,13:59
DocScrutinizert900:~# apt-cache policy cfdisk   ->   500 fremantle/free Packages13:59
Venemodoes anyone have experience with getting stuff to work on Wine?14:00
n900-spacecfdisk is giving a FATAL error14:01
FauxFauxThis certaily makes ash less fail: grep alias .zshrc | sed 's,alias ,>/usr/bin/,;s,=, printf "#!/bin/sh\\n%s\\n" ,' | sh && chmod a+x /usr/bin/*14:01
lcukVenemo, lardman|home is always getting stuff done whilst on wine14:01
n900-spacei do cfdisk /dev/mmcblk1 and it shows some error briefly and disappears14:01
DocScrutinizern900-space: your uSD borked?14:01
Venemothanks lcuk14:01
Venemolardman|home: ping14:01
lcukVenemo, it might not be the same kind of wine you are thinking14:01
n900-spacehow do i check14:02
Venemolcuk: your sense of humor always surprises me :P14:02
DocScrutinizerdd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M count=10014:02
trxhm, ive got a microSDC class 2 card, i plan to install a compiler on it, will it be slow considering its a class 2? (i mean painfuly slow)14:03
marlawall, I'm going to go to the club where I potentially lost my mobile - finger crossed please ^__^14:04
lcukVenemo, it shouldn't - its a very precisely honed skill, many years of first posting slashdot ;)14:04
trxlike, gcc, fpc.. low level compilers..14:04
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* MohammadAG compiles on his eMMC14:04
MohammadAGmost time's spent in IO, as expected14:04
lcuktrx gcc is not slow on the device, its the loading linking of the headers and .o files thats pretty sluggish for larger projects14:04
lcukas mo said14:05
trxyeah, thats what i mean14:05
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MohammadAGuSD might be faster, ask ShadowJK14:05
trxhow can i use microsd?14:05
Venemolcuk: :)14:05
FauxFauxTmpfs in ram time.14:06
ShadowJKI'd probably use uSD for this myself, just because emmc is handling so much other crap already14:06
lcukits a shame tcc does not output ARM14:06
MohammadAGtrx, chroot14:06
lcukfor x86 its almost 10x faster than gcc14:06
FauxFauxRoll on clang.14:07
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JaffaMorning, all14:09
lcukmorning Jaffa \o14:10
MohammadAGmorning Jaffa14:10
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DocScrutinizerhi Jaffa14:13
DocScrutinizern900-space: what's result of dd?14:14
n900-spaceit says 100+0 records in, and 100+0 records out14:15
DocScrutinizerhmm, so the card probably is OK14:15
DocScrutinizerremove and re-insert it, and try again now14:15
DocScrutinizer...with cfdisk14:16
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DocScrutinizeror HFM14:16
DocScrutinizerdon't forget umount14:16
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n900-spaceDocScrutinizer: i took the card out and put it back14:23
n900-spaceand write umount /dev/mmcblk114:23
trxMohammadAG have you used microSD yourself?14:24
n900-spaceand it says "umount: cannot umount /dev/mmcblk1: Invalid argument"14:24
DocScrutinizer51you can (and need) only umount volumes that show up in mount output14:25
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toadpolehey does the CA157 otg cable work with the n900?14:27
DocScrutinizer51probably for now you got no volumes mounted on or in mmcblk114:27
DocScrutinizer51toadpole: yes, if you file off the edges and use h-e-n14:28
infoboti heard hostmode is
n900-space:o i have hen on my n900 but havnt tried it :$ .. hehe .. should I just go ahead using it  or should read some tutorial?14:29
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toadpole( DocScrutinizer ): how about this one:
trxi wouldnt recommend that14:31
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DocScrutinizer51toadpole: every fitting adapter will work14:31
trxyou can rip off the port..14:31
toadpoleisn't there an oem nokia cable that works out of the box?14:31
DocScrutinizer51toadpole: please read the hostmode thread on tmo14:31
DocScrutinizer51toadpole: yes, your ole CA-101 if you get a F-F adapter14:32
DocScrutinizer51and use h-e-n of course14:33
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alteregoIs there a hen uboot kernel?14:33
DocScrutinizer51you're aware N900 has no OTG and no hostmode OOTB14:33
kerioi thought it will never have OTG14:34
keriobecause of hardware requirements14:34
alteregokerio: it wont and doesn't :P14:34
keriofucking nokia14:34
MohammadAGalterego, I'm awesome, uboot-power :p14:34
kerioi really hope the n9 has it14:34
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MohammadAGit does14:34
alteregoMohammadAG: thanks14:34
BCMMkerio: what is the definition of OTG?14:34
MohammadAGOn Teh Go14:35
MohammadAGtypo intended14:35
BCMMkerio: because it works as a regular USB host, albeit with weird plugs14:35
kerioOn T3h g014:35
keriousb otg is slave mode + host mode + autoconfiguration through hardware14:35
SpeedEvilOTG is to USB host what hermaphrodide is to sex-change.14:35
MohammadAGOTG can detect that it has to switch to host on itself14:35
kerioSpeedEvil: hahaha14:35
MohammadAGwith some pin14:35
BCMMhabmala: ah...14:36
MohammadAGlol SpeedEvil14:36
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BCMMhabmala: sorry, mishighlight14:36
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: brilliant14:36
DocScrutinizer51and to the point14:36
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: esp OTG can swap roles on the fly14:38
DocScrutinizer51and has a protocol for that: HNP14:39
DocScrutinizer51though I don't know of a single usecase for that in the wild14:40
DocScrutinizer51HNP on itself is useless, it needs support on app layer at both ends14:42
alteregoI think I've only seen it work with "the cable" ..14:43
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DocScrutinizer51OTG cables just have an A and a B end, and assign A role to one device. Usually A means host, but HNP can swap this any time, so A plays periph and B plays host14:46
Arkenoiis there desktop version of conboy? tomboy sucks, it uses mono (bloatware) and stopped synchronizing properly a few months ago14:46
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DocScrutinizer51B end is 'standard', A end has ID shor to GND14:46
lardman|homehmm, it appears that I can't actually alter the kernel command line at compile time, it's overridden presumably be the bootloader14:47
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DocScrutinizer51that's how it's supposed to work, yes14:49
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eichiis there a way, that the media player don't save the music album covers in the same directory as the phone camera does?14:50
BCMMlardman|home: kernels can have a default command line, for use of the bootloader gives them nothing14:50
DocScrutinizer51eichi: you're assuming things14:51
DocScrutinizer51eichi: check the directory on MyDocs/images or eveb DCIM - you'll not find any cover art stored there14:52
DocScrutinizer51it's fsckng thumbnailerd/trackerd that is mixing up things14:53
lcuklardman|home, \o14:53
eichiokay, means, just the image wiever shows all images from all dics14:53
DocScrutinizer51a know PITA14:53
alteregoI was thinking of writing a "QuteBoy"14:53
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alteregoWould work on Desktop, Mobile etc ..14:56
RST38halterego: Write a QuteBASIC!14:56
RST38hmoo, all14:56
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alteregoIsn't QuteBASIC like Qml?14:56
RST38hlardman: Got a coworker interestedin porting Meego to some Samsung ARM based dev board14:57
RST38hlardman: Is it ok to send him your way, or is it different from what you are doing?14:57
RST38hQml is like client side of AJAX :)14:57
alteregoWell, it has Java Script as well, but Qml is much nicer than html for ux design ..14:58
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lcukalterego, does qml do dynamic layouts and tables? *grin*15:00
RST38halterego: No shit, given that HTML has never been intended for uI design15:00
lcukqml_blink is important15:00
eichiwhy is there an "Camera" and an DCIM folder both?15:00
alteregolcuk: heh, sure, if you code it :P15:00
eichiis there some "idea" behind it?15:00
lcukeichi, DCIM is standard folder for photos when plugged into usb15:01
alteregoeichi: did you make the Camera folder?15:01
alteregoOh, I see.15:02
eichino. but maybe BlessN900? its its one, with a emblem15:02
alteregoAnyway, DCIM is used by computers and other devices to detect whether a storage device is used with a digital camera.15:02
alteregoThe 'Camera' directory is a virtual directory, as in, it doesn't actually exist.15:03
eichiyeah, read about DCF15:03
alteregoIt's just shown in file manager15:03
* RST38h is being spammed in Arabic now. WTF?15:04
kerioand that's one of the many wtfs15:04
alterego.desktop renames DCIM to "Camera" I believe.15:04
alteregoIt's a fat filesystem so no symlinks15:04
eichioh okay15:04
n900-spaceDocScrutinizer51: i used fdisk to partition the card from easydebian terminal, and from n900 i formatted the p1 to vfat, and used mkswap for the swap p2 partition (i'm guessing the mkswap formats the partition as well cuz i didnt format it from mkfs)15:05
n900-spacedid swapoff of the mmcblk0p315:05
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n900-spacebtw, i read on tmo that after I do a "w" on fdisk, i should take out the card and put it back in for i dont some kernel stuff undating itself (i dont remember correctly I dont know this stuff)15:06
n900-spacebut right now i have done all without taking out the card15:06
DocScrutinizer51alterego: I got DCIM FCamera .images .videos X-/15:07
n900-spacelemme see if n900 is even working !!15:07
n900-spaceworking all fine15:07
eichii can remove the macOS folder if i dont want special shortscuts on mac if i plug it on some of there strange devices?15:08
rhkfinWonder why syncing e-mail & calendar with Google is so hard & slow..15:08
DocScrutinizer51eichi: you *could*, if it's really worth the effort15:08
alteregoDocScrutinizer51: yeah, they're all for different things though :P15:09
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alteregoeichi: I've never needed them, but it's not like it's wasting space.15:09
eichiyeah, but pumping up the main user folder view15:10
lcukwho has fcam on their devices?15:10
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alteregolcuk: I do15:10
eichii too, think so15:10
lcukcould you perhaps add someexample photos with it onto here please:
lcukI don't have fcam and it might potentially offer alternative macro focusing algo15:12
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eichii, i dont have too. thought it is the new module name, sorr15:13
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alteregoHow close to the screen are we talking?15:13
lcukalterego, phone touching the screen15:14
lcukas you see, whether it focues is not really important15:14
lcukits just what actually comes out of the sensor15:14
lcukwhen you take a pic15:14
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eichicities folder is just the avi maps one. mappero uses another one?15:17
lardman|homeBCMM: sorry for the slow reply, yes that's what I'm setting at compile time and it's being overridded/ignored15:21
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lardman|homeoverridden even15:21
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alteregolcuk: dng or is the jpg okay :P15:23
lcukalterego, whatever you have available is good :)15:23
lcukits just experimentation15:24
lardman|homewill explicitly setting the kernel console param to something not tty*0 stop the fb console from receiving boot messages?15:24
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lardman|homeno, atm it seems to be set by the bootloader to "console=ttySA2,115200 loglevel=4"15:25
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lardman|homeand I see a text framebuffer with the text "ANDROID" somewhere near the middle, but nothing else happens there15:26
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alteregolcuk: done15:27
alteregoWeird how doesn't do image scaling ..15:28
lardman|homeso the question is now whether to patch the kernel to add in an extra console=tty0 assuming that should then push messages to the fb console15:28
lcuk:D awesome alterego, thanks15:29
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lcuktheres some great shots on the thread now
lcuki wonder though whether there is any device which can actually focus all the way down to the screen15:29
lcukie uber macro15:30
BCMMalterego: it just hotlinks them...15:31
alteregoBCMM: I know, and?15:31
BCMMit doesn't do anything to the images15:31
alteregotmo does something.15:31
alteregoEven if it's client side ..15:31
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alteregoProbably some stylesheet.15:31
alteregoIt just looks horrible when it doesn't do any scaling ..15:31
BCMMlcuk: i'm curious as to why you're doing that?15:32
BCMMlcuk: also, is macro on the n900 actually any different from just setting manual focus at 5cm in fcamera?15:32
lardman|homeBCMM: there's a different setting for macro in the sw15:33
lardman|homei.e. it's a gstphotography setting15:33
lcukBCMM, i want to see just what details come out of the camera sensor with the device flat on surface15:33
lcukbecause its been in mind for a while (i have demo video and stuff) of using n900 as a desktop mouse15:33
BCMMheh, that's kinda an awesome idea15:34
lcukusing the privacy light (red one) so that the scene is illuminated a bit I can already see woodgrain15:34
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lcukbut I wondered whether there are any already existing devices which can actually focus closer still15:34
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alteregoOoo, top gear starts again tonight15:47
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MohammadAGalterego, Venemo any suggestions?
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trxstring conversion bad16:00
* SpeedEvil ponders a car running maemo.16:01
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John-Smithhow can i make programs for maemo ?16:11
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John-Smithtrx: its not a java based ?16:12
alteregoMohammadAG: wtf? :D16:12
trxJohn-Smith no. thank god.16:13
MohammadAGalterego, arabic :P16:13
trxyou can develop in any language that can compile for ARM16:13
alteregoOh, are you doing QString::fromUtf8?16:13
trxi for example use fpc16:13
trxthis looks bad16:15
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TsuyoHi, is there a way to get a streetname, land, city of a specific LAT/LNG Coord? I don't want to use Online methods, since i have Ovi Maps installed on my N900. I asked in #Qt but they said "wrong channel" :o16:15
MohammadAGwas testing, even without it it's the same iirc16:15
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SpeedEvilI don't think you can get data out of ovi maps.16:16
MohammadAGoh yay16:16
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SpeedEvilWell - programmatically.16:16
MohammadAGwas editing the wrong file16:17
* alterego adds man over board function and eta reporting in Columbus16:17
John-Smithtrx: where i can start any tips for me i am very new here :)16:17
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trxthis should get you started..16:18
nid0John-Smith: the link you were given has a whole "get started" section :>16:18
MohammadAGepic startup time now that tracker lists songs16:19
MohammadAGalterego, is there a way to time UI start up?16:19
John-Smithi am here just because its not java :D16:19
alteregoMohammadAG: depends how accurate you want to be.16:20
MohammadAGalterego, like `time`16:20
alteregoYeah, but time doesn't know when you UIs finished drawing.16:20
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MohammadAGthat's why I asked you :P16:21
MohammadAGI just want the time needed to show the QMainWindow16:22
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MohammadAGit starts up faster than the stock mediaplayer, epic win16:22
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trxhmm, how can i update qt libs on my n900?16:24
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trxi have 4.7.0 currently16:24
SpeedEvilWhy do you want to?16:24
trxbecause of a potential bug16:24
trxwith QImage16:24
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MohammadAGjust build and install16:25
trxthere arent any compiled versions to install?16:26
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MohammadAGwhich version?16:27
trxi would like 4.7.1 (or higher?)16:28
alteregoWe have -experimental in extras-devel16:29
MohammadAGthat still exists?16:30
alteregoHrm, only 4.7.016:31
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alteregoLame someone should sort that out16:31
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alteregoEither that or meego16:32
MohammadAGalterego, wanna patch in with a type-to-search box? :P16:32
MohammadAGpitch even16:32
alteregoThat enough?16:33
alteregoThere's a qtm 12 now?16:34
alteregoSo, why keep qtm up-to-date but forget about qt ...16:35
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MohammadAGalterego, anything that can show as you type16:36
MohammadAGtrumee, eldar's full of bullshit, even bullshit says he is16:36
MohammadAGso full*16:36
trumeeMohammadAG: right16:36
alteregoLink a QLineEdit to a QSortFliterProxyModel's filter16:37
alteregoIt'll do the hard stuff for you.16:37
MohammadAGalterego, it has to read from three parts16:37
MohammadAGsong name, album, artist16:37
alteregoOh, right16:37
alteregoYou could make a new column that's a string with all three concatenated and link the filter to that16:39
alteregotbh, I wouldn't be suprised if the N9-00 is cancelled.16:39
MohammadAGthe RM680 exists16:41
MohammadAGand so does the RM69616:41
alteregoWhat are they?16:41
ShadowJKwe never saw RX-71 :)16:41
MohammadAGdon't ask me, grep the mce sources16:41
alteregoHave they gone through fcc yet? :P16:41
MohammadAGbut it exists :P16:42
alteregoRM is more positive than RX though16:42
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alteregoRM is the proper handset tag Nokia give, where as RX was always used for our maemo black sheep devices :)16:43
korhojoa_how come we're always RX ?16:43
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MohammadAGRX is cooler16:43
korhojoa_"It's the Nokia Black Ops edition"16:44
MohammadAGalterego,!/MohammadAG/status/26684409692299264 :p16:44
MohammadAGwrong line16:45
MohammadAG# Patterns used for the RM-680/RM-690 hardware;16:45
MohammadAG# this hardware has a single-colour LED connected to a Lysti controller16:45
MohammadAG# Patterns used for the RM-696 hardware;16:45
MohammadAGI missed the 690 somehow o_O16:45
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MohammadAGso that's three devices16:46
alteregoThe numbers are quite randomly selected don't expect them to be in any kind of seqential order.16:46
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MohammadAGduh, the 5800 isn't newer than the 900 :P16:46
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alteregoI'll have to remember those designations though16:48
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alteregoBut just because they're there doesn't mean anything.16:48
alteregoThere has been a lot of rumour about the meego/harmattan device being cancelled.16:49
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SpeedEvilIt's going to have a iapx432 CPU.16:50
SpeedEvilIt's the coming thing.16:50
marlawa quick update on my lost n900 - both clubs I went on Friday night are still closed and it wasn't left at work on my desk.. so i got a nexus s and cancelled my old sim16:50
SpeedEvildo the police in your area do anything if you report thefts to them?16:50
SpeedEvilAlso - you can get the IMEI barred too16:50
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marlawwell my phone required reflashing in order to be used .. if the thief can do that then he deserves to use it16:51
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marlawi.e. i had a lock code + pin16:52
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Juozapasdo u use default network manager for connect to wireless networks ?16:53
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SpeedEvilThere is little else.16:54
MohammadAGsomeone get gnome network-manager16:56
MohammadAGshould work well, but we need 3G patched in16:56
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Juozapasi dont know is network manager problem but sometimes i lost connection (when i am far away from access point) but the icon still shows that i'm connected16:57
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korhojoa_lcuk: do you do a lot of microlocation updates?16:58
lcukMohammadAG, wow loads of guests looking at the macro crowdsource thread16:58
lcukkorhojoa_, first time in months16:58
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: and all of the backend shit.16:58
korhojoa_lcuk: whatever you say ;)16:59
lcukMohammadAG, I asked apple and android users to join in.  do you have any you can post?
lcukkorhojoa_, look back through logs, I rarely change my nickname16:59
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MohammadAGlcuk, I'll ask on the other server :)17:01
MohammadAGlcuk, do I get a trophy for best pic?17:01
lcukMohammadAG, when I see photos from everything else, yeah17:02
lcukso far Nokia has best focus :)17:02
MohammadAGthe N900 can be a bit meh :P17:03
lcukMohammadAG, n900 is awesome17:03
lcukthe n86 has a controllable torch/flash also?17:03
korhojoa_lcuk: i was kidding :P17:03
MohammadAGLOL @ symbian blogs17:03
MohammadAGthey saw a QML app and started a rumor about a new multitasking UI17:03
MohammadAGlcuk, yes17:04
MohammadAGthe flash on the N86 is AWESOME17:04
MohammadAGit's comparable to xenon in terms of brightness17:04
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alteregoMohammadAG: I suppose this RM-680 is something else ... site, it's a trap to capture me!17:05
alteregoYes, yes it is :)17:05
MohammadAGyou want my N900z!17:06
alteregoOr it's a link to the FCC testing for the X5-01 AKA RM-68017:06
MohammadAGwhy? I luvs my n9O0z17:06
MohammadAGooh, a manual17:06
* MohammadAG clicks17:07
alteregoI meant this, sorry:
alteregoBollocks, that's wrong too ..17:07
alteregoOh, that one works though ..17:07
alteregofuzzy search criteria I guess.17:07
alteregoYes, RM-680 brings X517:08
MohammadAGsquashed look17:09
alteregoActually, the handset is square.17:09
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alteregootoh, googling gives things like this:
alteregoWe all remember that stuff.17:10
alteregoYou should have said, "makulkar is this your device:"17:11
MohammadAGis it me, or do I find mac's looks shitty17:12
alteregoI'm sure it's not _just_ you,17:12
alterego But I bet your personality has something to do with it :P17:12
MohammadAGcan't we request the boards Nokia use and build our own devices?17:13
korhojoa_er, why would they give them to us?17:13
alteregoInteresting, apparently a leaked Ovi upload page displayed this a while ago:
MohammadAGalterego, is it normal for an app to segfault at exit?17:14
alteregoMohammadAG: yes and no17:14
MohammadAGit's not noticeable :p17:14
alteregoIt means you're probably not cleaning up properly.17:15
alteregoIt should also be very easy to debug :P17:15
alteregoAs you can replicate it.17:15
alteregoSo don't be lazy and fix it :)17:15
lcukNokia naming should be secret agent style.  E-00717:15
MohammadAGtried it17:15
MohammadAGit always returns the segfault to Qt's libs17:15
alteregoApparently that Ovi mistake might be an indication it will be at mwc17:16
alteregoWhich is possible I guess.17:16
BCMMMohammadAG: "it's not noticeable" - yeah, that's probably why loads of applications seem to suffer from it17:16
alteregoI reckon Nokia wont fly it as flagship after the N90017:16
BCMMit's wrong, but it doesn't feel like it matters to some people17:16
alteregoThey'll probably continue pushing N8 very hard.17:16
BCMM(ofc, it probably indicates a bigger problem)17:17
MohammadAGN8 bottom cover broke here :P17:17
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: they were pushing it too hard.17:17
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alterego"Nokia N900" in ovi is under "Touch" and not "Fill Keyboard" :/17:21
nid0there're plenty of mistakes in phone types, the e90 isnt under full keyboard either, apparently thats a "classic"17:22
alteregoI can't believe someone is selling a "Mobile Web Server" application ..17:22
alteregoI bet they didn't sell scht17:23
ShadowJKLots of people use the mobile web server for pc-phone filetransfer17:23
nid0tbh, dont really see the problem with it - its a tiny low-power webserver that has a user-friendly ui to set their device up to serve17:24
alteregoWeird, I guess it's easier if you don't use ssh regularlary like I do.17:24
alteregoWell, ssh and usb networking.17:24
ShadowJK... which just proves what a terrible experience using symbian is17:24
alterego"user friendly" ..17:24
MohammadAGgot another battery17:24
alteregoI'm talking about the N900 version not symbian :P17:24
ShadowJKah, that makes no sense17:24
nid0clicking a few straightforward buttons is easier than asking someone to write a vhost by hand17:24
alteregonid0: yeah, I get it, I guess it's easy to sell an app to users that basically just wrap up slightly specialist knowledge17:25
alteregoI like how he ripped off the KDE icons too ..17:25
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alteregoSeeing a lot of stuff on there now, just makes me depressed I decided not to sell Columbus17:27
alteregoGuess what, 0 donations ..17:27
nid0had many downloads of it yet?17:27
alteregoAdmittedly it's not v1 yet and it's not in extras.17:28
alteregoSo it's probably better having it "out there" than just me and a few trusted testers.17:28
alteregoI think I'll sell v217:28
MohammadAGalterego, I know why there aren't donations17:35
MohammadAGURL detect mousePressEvent(), not mouse release!17:35
MohammadAGfix that, the donations will magically start17:35
MohammadAGI think17:35
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MohammadAGpress a link, then move the mouse away from it17:36
MohammadAGthe browser will still open17:36
alteregoWhat link are you talking about?17:38
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MohammadAGthe two links you have there, docs and columbus page17:38
alteregodocs is a broken link anywayh17:39
alteregoand it's a button17:39
mikki-kunalterego: maybe many people don't know what columbus actually is good for or are not "motivated" enough to get something nice running with it?17:39
alteregothe links are the webpage and email17:39
alteregomikki-kun: probably, I'm not too fussed, but there is a lot of people playing with it :)17:39
mikki-kunalterego: does it phone home? =p17:40
mikki-kunor how can you tell? :)17:40
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alteregoAnd activity on my forum thread.17:42
mikki-kunok, the activity says more than the downloads :)17:42
mikki-kundoes it also in some way enable logging and if so, which format?17:44
alteregoIts most notable feature is the ability to act as a bluetooth or usb GPS dongle.17:45
alteregoBut it also logs to file in NMEA17:45
alteregoAnd streams over a network17:45
alteregoIt's getting closer to my planned v1 feature set though, basically a handheld GPS receiver like application.17:46
alteregov2 will include groovy mapping funcions.17:46
mikki-kunhow does it work with the streams over a network?17:46
alteregoas a client or server17:46
alteregoUseful for linking with gspd17:47
alterego~gpsd ..17:47
MohammadAGalterego, can I convert a QString (which was a QTime) to an int?17:47
mikki-kunif you have mobile internet i assume :)17:47
alteregoSure, depending on the format of the string.17:47
alteregomikki-kun: or connected via adhoc wifi17:48
alteregoOr usb networking,17:48
jacekowskialterego: btw. columbus is broken on my phone17:48
alteregoIt's there to be feature complete, the usb serial device and bluetooth serial device streaming are the most useful.17:48
alteregojacekowski: the version from -devel?17:48
alteregoApparently it didn't force a librxsupport update.17:48
alteregoOh, I think I know why too :/17:49
alteregoI'll upload a new version in a minute.17:49
jacekowskiwhere is it installed anyways?17:49
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jacekowskiunknown symbol - ...FileLoggerConfig17:50
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alteregoHeh, that's a new one ^.^17:50
jacekowski/opt/usr/bin/columbus: symbol lookup error: /opt/usr/bin/columbus: undefined symbol: _ZTV16FileLoggerConfig17:51
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jacekowskiyou depend on quite a lot of libraries17:52
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alteregojacekowski: that happens on startup right?17:52
jacekowskione of libraries is in older version17:53
jacekowskior newer17:53
alteregolibcolumbus is probably too old.17:53
alteregoThat's a bit crappy.17:53
jacekowskilet me reinstall it17:53
jacekowski/opt/usr/bin/columbus: symbol lookup error: /opt/usr/bin/columbus: undefined symbol: _ZTV22Maemo5FullScreenButton17:53
jacekowskinew one17:53
alteregoThat's because of the old librxsupport17:54
alteregoCan you update that package.17:54
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jacekowskilet me see17:54
alteregoI should setup my own -devel repository so I can test migrations, seeing as most people are using -devel now :/17:55
jacekowskilibrxsupport is already the newest version.17:56
alterego0.2.0 ?17:56
MohammadAGdoh, what's Floating point exception?17:56
jacekowskiii  librxsupport                                        0.2.0-117:56
jacekowskiMohammadAG: divide by zero17:56
jacekowskiand couple others17:56
jacekowskibut in 99% of cases it's divide by 017:56
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MohammadAGI'm pretty sure it's not division by 017:57
MohammadAG    if(ui->trackLengthLabel->text() != "00:00" || ui->trackLengthLabel->text() != "--:--") {17:57
MohammadAG        int length = QTime::fromString(ui->trackLengthLabel->text()).second();17:57
MohammadAG        int percentage = (position / length)*100;17:57
MohammadAG        ui->songProgress->setValue(percentage);17:57
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alteregojacekowski: and what about the versions of columbus and libcolumbus?17:58
MohammadAGoh well17:58
* alterego should have just kept everything as one package .. :D17:58
* MohammadAG adds if(length != 0)17:58
jacekowski16:57 < MohammadAG>         int percentage = (position / length)*100;17:58
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jacekowskiii  libcolumbus                                         0.9.3-117:59
jacekowskiii  columbus-plugins-core                               0.9.0-217:59
jacekowskiii  columbus                                            0.9.3-117:59
alteregoWeird, that should all be fine.17:59
alteregoRun ldconfig and try running it again.17:59
jacekowskiit may be messed up since i was playing with that plugn problem18:00
alteregoHrm, maybe.18:00
alteregoYeah, uninstall columbus, libcolumbus, columbus-plugins-core and librxsupport.18:00
alteregoThen make sure there's nothing left under /opt/usr18:00
alteregoThen reinstall :)18:00
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jacekowskistill broken18:02
alteregoIS there something in your home directory?18:03
jacekowskiloads of stuff18:03
alteregoAny of the columbus libs or sometthing.18:03
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jacekowskihmm, old librxsupport18:03
alteregoThere you go then.18:03
jacekowskiit's not overwriting old librs18:03
alteregoWhat does ldd /opt/usr/bin/columbus do?18:04
jacekowskiwhen upgrading18:04
jacekowski => /usr/lib/ (0x40025000)18:04
jacekowskibut that file was olde18:04
alteregoI never installed to /usr/lib18:04
alteregoyou must have put it there.18:04
jacekowskii have button in middle of screen18:04
jacekowskion startup18:05
alteregoRight, known problem :P18:05
jacekowskiafter i pressed it onceit moved to corner18:05
alteregoAt least it runs18:05
alteregoYeah, that's a known minor bug18:05
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alteregoSomething to do with orientation and my stupid but pretty animations.18:05
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jacekowskibtw. have anybody used marble with that offline routing?18:18
jacekowskior nobody is patient enough to let it finish routing?18:18
alteregoI've not used the app at all, I heard it was just awefully slow at everything.18:18
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jacekowskiwell, marble itself looks little bit faster18:19
jacekowskibut it's calculating 20 miles long route from one place to another for like 10 minutes now18:20
jacekowskiand it's still routing18:21
alteregoThink I might setup my own autobuilder/repository18:22
jacekowskii have my own autobuilder18:23
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jacekowskiit's pain to setup18:24
jacekowskiand it's even worse if you are on 64bit18:24
alteregoI was thinking just a few scripts that kind of do what I want.18:24
alteregoNothing as extravagant as what extras is.18:24
jacekowskiyou can use my autobuilder if you want to18:24
alteregoI need something local tbh :)18:25
alteregoThanks for the offer though18:25
MohammadAGwhich package is "file" part of?18:26
alteregoUnless it's the busybox version :P18:26
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MohammadAGthere's no bb version apparently :p18:27
BCMM_they named that utility just to male conversations sound stupid, didn't they?18:27
* MohammadAG renames BusyBox to /b/18:27
BCMM_make, rather18:27
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alteregoHrm ..18:50
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pupniksalut, mes amis!18:58
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povbotBug 10163: GPS does not automatically set time of device.19:23
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alteregoSpeedEvil: That's a bug?19:36
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SpeedEvilIf the carrier does not broadcast time correctly, yes.19:38
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: :D19:40
alteregoKind of what we predicted.19:40
alteregoRight time frame aswell.19:40
DocScrutinizeralso time span til failure matches19:40
alteregoI'm suprised it's not a _little_ bit sooner but .. :)19:40
ponyofdeathhi, is there a way to change the fmms notification from email back to sms?19:41
javispedronokia won't do anything19:41
javispedrothey will probably honor the warranty19:41
javispedronot because of benevolence but out of pure ignorance19:41
DocScrutinizerI'm afraid they do javispedro19:42
javispedroat least on Europe I've never had to put any fight about warrantly claims like many stories I've read overseas19:42
javispedro(note overseas includes UK for some reason =) )19:42
alteregoThen we can have a load of "Nokia replaced my fried N900 because I'm an idiot OC junky, so I'm going to do it again!"19:42
javispedrovery true alterego19:43
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javispedroin fact19:43
javispedroif you want to scare potential overclockers it would be best not to single out this story19:43
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DocScrutinizersingle out?19:43
DocScrutinizer~dict single out19:44
infobotDictionary 'single out' (2): treat differently on the basis of sex or race  ;; select from a group; "She was singled out for her outstanding performance".19:44
javispedroas they now will believe there was only _one_ proof of crippled n900 from all the n900 that are overclocked19:44
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alteregoThat's if they even believe, there have been so many warranty claims and I doubt the OC'rs that have already needed to make claims would blame OC'ing19:44
alteregoWe've had a lot of people come in here with hardware issues that could be attributed to OC'ing19:45
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DocScrutinizerand not many of them will admit OC19:45
alteregoI think it's quite funny this guy "I have absolutely no backup of my data"19:46
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alteregoMassive risk taker O_O19:46
alteregoI don't OC and I keep backups up-to-date ..19:46
alteregoAt the very least backup onto a freakin' micro sd ..19:47
alterego(using the backup app)19:47
DocScrutinizerwell, I guess there's been a reason for secret project HAM-performance implemenred on Nokia SSU servers19:48
javispedrobtw now eldar says n9's been cancelled19:48
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alteregojavispedro: I think it's a joke that, he's saying: ham is badly slow, unless you overclock ;)19:49
korhojoa_ahh, it's that epic oc fatality19:49
javispedrofrom all the whacky stories he's been throwing out lately this is the one I could believe most yet still in the wacky territory ;)19:49
korhojoa_i saw that earlier today19:49
alteregoSo those users that don't complain ham is slow, are obviously OCing :D19:49
DocScrutinizersure, until they found a way to forbid OC19:49
javispedroalterego: hey! I don't complain ham is slow.19:49
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I've heard a lot of rumours about the cancellation of harmattan, this would be related to that ..19:49
korhojoa_and i was about to post just after he posted it first "ah, haha. you got it locked at 950 overnight, and it died? lol :D"19:49
korhojoa_i didn't though. thought it'd have been too mean19:49
DocScrutinizeralterego: of course19:50
alteregotbh, the hardware is a year old by now.19:50
alteregoAnd they really want to make a splash with meego.19:50
DocScrutinizereven eldar might be right every once in a while19:50
alteregootoh, there was a reported sighting of an N9 on the channel on Thursday.19:50
alteregoRemember? :)19:50
alteregoAnd with MWC around the corner .. Who knows ..19:51
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DocScrutinizer(make a splash) and meego (even HE it seems) is never going to outperform maemo, so they don't want to ship it with anything less than dual core 1.5GHz, with a 4500mAh bat19:51
javispedrothat's nice!19:51
ShadowJKOr the google way of suspending apps when screen is off19:52
javispedrothen I'll install FREEDOS FOR ARM on it, the processor will be asleep 99,9% of the time and I will get a frking phone with years battery life!19:52
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alteregoThat makulkar fellow bleating out having an RM-680 device he was attempting to use scratchbox with makes me think it's possible it's being thrown out as a dev device19:52
alteregoOr they're ramping up for MWC :D19:52
alteregoThis is the first time we've ever heard of this project possibly being axed though ..19:53
javispedroprotos are out there since long ago19:53
alteregoWell, are you tatlking proto or dev boards ..19:54
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, mohammediaplayer can play music now :p19:55
javispedrowhat's the difference between a proto and a dev board with a screen ;)19:55
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: congrats19:56
alteregoOne looks like the finished product, imo :P19:56
javispedroalterego: then, the latter.19:56
alteregoAlso, I'm pretty sure dev boards aren't referenced with RM ..19:57
alteregoAs RM is what Nokia use for mobile phone devices.19:57
alteregoLike BT for headsets and CA for cables.19:57
alteregoRX for black sheep internet tablets :)19:58
GAN900Well, just a few weeks now.19:59
GAN900Then we can all laugh at the Nokia fail.19:59
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DocScrutinizerI wonder who's going to sponsor my trip to Barcelona19:59
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, thanks :D19:59
javispedroalterego: what I mean by proto is actual device, ugly chassis.19:59
alteregotbh, I don't care.19:59
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alterego(about Nokia fail that is)19:59
alteregoWhatever I get next will be what I get next :)19:59
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, another thing, startup time is less than that of the stock player ;)20:00
alteregoThe N900 has the potential to last me for up-to two years imo20:00
GAN900alterego, a very resigned sounding answer. :P20:00
javispedroGAN900: IMO the fail would be more silence =)20:00
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: does it work without tracker?20:00
alteregoGAN900: I've never been a fan boy :P20:00
alteregoGAN900: it's not like I go out there and scream Nokia for Nokia, or scream Nokia from my blog20:00
alteregoI've been happy with them in the past, we'll see what the future brings :)20:01
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, not yet :P20:01
DocScrutinizerthen SCREW IT20:01
alteregoIf I'm not happy, I'll buy Android and install MeeGo on it.20:01
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alteregoIt's more about capabilities for me now :)20:01
GAN900alterego, these days they're the only thing resembling an FOSS product in mobile devices, though.20:01
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alteregoGAN900: yes, and hopefully that'll stayt.20:02
alteregoGAN900: things can only get better, it's not like they're getting worse.20:02
javispedrodon't get us started :)20:02
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I said yet20:02
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DocScrutinizerk, then GOOOO moh, GOOO!20:03
MohammadAGit's more than an oversized widget now20:03
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alteregoI'm pissed Quim hasn't replied to the email I sent him almost three weeks ago he said he'd reply to ..20:03
MohammadAGbut I broke the indicator somehow20:03
MohammadAGand I can't figure out how20:03
alteregoA simple "No" would be nice, even though he seemed to say "yes" before.20:03
DocScrutinizeralterego: things not getting worse? You're not talking about Nokia's FOSS OS!20:04
alteregoDocScrutinizer: are more or less things open now than before? (platform not applications)20:04
MohammadAGalterego, still optimistic about MeeGo? :)20:04
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alteregoBut I'm an optimistic person, I will continue to work where I like working.20:05
alteregoI'm not in things for the money, it'd be nice, but I'm not.20:05
alteregoI do this stuff because it interests me.20:05
DocScrutinizeris the OS better tailored and siuted for mobile use and power conservation now? Or do we still see they're adapting a desktop centric concept to a 1000+afew mAh device20:06
DocScrutinizeralterego: for the platform my answer clearly is: less open20:06
ShadowJKpower use is pretty damn low as long as you don't leave shit running :P20:06
* javispedro ponders20:07
javispedrobeing desktop centric is exactly why I have Maemo...20:07
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DocScrutinizerhaha, yeah such as polling the accel for orientation20:07
alteregoYeah, the reason we're capable of running this kind of software on a device for a reasonible amount of time, is because processors and power usage and batteries are meeting those demands.20:07
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alteregoDo you have a problem with the life of the N900 as far as battery power is concerned?20:07
ShadowJKFennec is stupid and polls accel constantly.. but the default apps do stop polling accel when screen is off20:08
DocScrutinizerc'mon, 3/4 of meego devels not even think about requirements of mobile devices20:08
alteregoGood jobs those devels are working on netbook and IVI then :P20:09
DocScrutinizerthey are more conserned about "is it upstream" than to learn what IRQ-driven means20:09
alteregoYou're talking about hardware.20:09
ShadowJKAlso there's no PM or DVFS for Omap3 in MeeGo :-)20:09
DocScrutinizerwell, I thought kernel is about hw20:09
DocScrutinizerand middleware is about hw20:10
DocScrutinizerat least on a mobile device20:10
* javispedro disagrees here, I prefer the upstream approach much :)20:10
trxwhat is the endianness on n900?20:10
ShadowJKlittle endian20:10
trxthank you20:11
alteregoDocScrutinizer: they can only develop meego on the devices they have.20:11
DocScrutinizerthe upstream approach is lame, as it will never result in anything tailored for mobile usage, if consequently followed20:11
alteregoAnd most meego handset development seems to be done on two devices N900 and that moorestown handset.20:11
wmaroneI would hope that downstream users of meego would tailor their kernel appropriately20:11
alteregoAre you saying they should get things working and working well with what they have, or develop a load more hardware?20:12
javispedroI'm _willing_ to sacrifice some of the (usually stupidly called) "mobile usage patterns" for a upstreamed kernel.20:12
ShadowJKI like the goal of the upstream thing, to make sure that stuff isn't left bitrotting, like the ancient N8x0 kernel or our current N900 kernel...20:12
alteregoMeeGo developers aren't to blame for Nokia or Aava hardware designers..20:12
trxShadowJK and what is bit order?20:12
trxreversed or "in order"?20:12
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DocScrutinizertbh for OS I fail to see what'S the whole point of ""developing"" as long as you blindly follow upstream20:12
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DocScrutinizerthe goal is to push new thing upstream, not to brainlessly follow20:13
javispedrothat is true. and meego devs push things upstream.20:13
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, it's not about following upstream, it's about getting powersaving and scalability included in upstream, so that when upstream releases a new version you don't have to redo everything from scratch20:13
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I think if you were to hang around watching a lot of what MeeGo is doing, patches etc, you'd see that your criticism isn't that well placed.20:13
javispedrolatest example I have in mind: who fixed the lenovo clickpad thing upstream? guy.20:13
alteregoThey're doing things and trying to do them properly. If you have issues you should held by complaining.20:13
javispedroetc. etc.20:13
alteregoOffering your opinions and good argument.20:13
ShadowJKBesides, that new kernel policy thing is less strict about upstream, so it might just end up bitrotting on 2.6.35 or 2.6.37 anyway :P20:14
ShadowJKtrx, no idea really20:14
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ShadowJKTreat it like x86 with strict alignment requirements?20:14
DocScrutinizeralterego: when I come with detailed analysis of kernel drivers and pointing at terribly odd concept of what's currently used in meego, compared to nice things in maemo, guess what's the answer... ""but IS IT UPSTREAM??""20:15
MohammadAGlol @ guy saying CPUs getting fried is rare20:15
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: nice things in maemo like dpkg? :)20:16
ShadowJKThey're obviously asking you if you've sent your patch to upstream and what response you got from upstream :P20:16
trxyeah, i will treat it like x8620:16
javispedroand tbh, I agree with the "IS IT UPSTREAM RULE?"20:17
DocScrutinizerMY patch??? meh, I'm feeling like going feeling pissed of even *this* discussion20:17
javispedroupstream is slow though, so for commercial vendors you might rewrite that to "DOES IT STAND REASONABLE CHANGE TO ENTER UPSTREAM IN THE NEAR FUTURE?"20:17
MohammadAGupstream's a joke20:17
alteregojavispedro: that's mostly how we work anyway :)20:18
MohammadAGI sent a patch to Qt about segfaults on launch, no reply yet, repository's dead20:18
MohammadAGbug's dead20:18
alteregoThat was maemo specific no?20:18
javispedroQt is another story, we're talking about competent developers here =)20:18
javispedro</bad joke>20:18
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MohammadAGalterego, do I care? It said Code once deploy everywhere20:18
MohammadAGBug and upstream handling should be the same across all platforms20:19
MohammadAGthe bug's fixed, and it says incomplete info20:19
alteregoEven dead ones?20:19
MohammadAGusually, you pull the plug on old software when new one arrives20:20
javispedroMohammadAG: you gave only one month's time?20:20
MohammadAGtake shitty microsoft for example20:20
MohammadAGthey still support XP20:20
* javispedro is sick of all the preenv pirates, I wish I could punch them all in the face via HTTP.20:20
alteregojavispedro: PUSH /punch.html20:21
MohammadAGmeh, slap em via P2P20:21
infobotalterego meant: javispedro: PUT /punch.html20:21
* MohammadAG sighs20:21
DocScrutinizerlis3lv02 kernel driver is POLLING. sensorfw of course and inevitably is POLLING. There's a nice, working IRQ driven driver lis302dl in maemo, and you could architect the sensorfw in a correct way if you were wiling to push this upstream or simply adopt it for meego. But MEH20:22
MohammadAGhow hard is it click a damn app and install it20:22
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, still want me to remove the kernel-power pull in ?
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* pupnik thinks DocScrutinizer should be listened to on this polling thing20:23
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: aah, yes, I still think it's better not to rdepend on it20:23
pupnikjavispedro: has there been any interest from the publisher for official maemo / preenv support and downloads?20:24
javispedropupnik: not a single one more.20:25
alteregoAnyway, wtf is eldar?20:25
MohammadAGalterego, a god of leaks20:26
MohammadAGhe gets most devices early20:26
alteregoAny turn out to be true?}20:26
MohammadAGhe said the N97 was good, and the N900 was crap20:26
DocScrutinizeralterego: what is _a_ eldar20:26
MohammadAGso figure20:27
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I meant it as "who the fsck" :P20:27
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DocScrutinizerwhat, not who20:28
MohammadAGhe started trolling Nokia20:28
MohammadAGpost N900 afaik20:28
alteregoSo, you're guessing at what I meant.20:28
MohammadAGand he reviewed the N8 and said it was shit20:28
alteregoBut I know what I meant.20:28
alteregoDon't tell me what I meant20:28
MohammadAGone day before Nokia announced it20:28
MohammadAGthey even requested an apology as it affected launch, his review was negative20:28
DocScrutinizeralterego: I'm just saying it's as wrong as "who is water"20:29
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ShadowJKBefore the real launch or before the 7 months "oops maybe we should fix bugs first" prelaunch?20:29
alteregoYou don't think "Who the fuck is eldar" makes sense?20:29
wmaronenice, ubuntu vm locked up20:30
MohammadAGFrankly, we pride ourselves on trust at Nokia, and someone has greatly betrayed that. <-- hint Nokia, mole still exists :P20:31
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alteregoWho said that?20:31
andre__see URL link from MohammadAG.20:31
MohammadAGsee the link I posted20:31
alteregoOh, conversations.20:31
alteregoThat's last year.20:31
MohammadAGyou were asking who eldar was20:32
alteregoOh, he leaked the N8 back then?20:32
alteregoSaying it was crap didn't he?20:32
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DocScrutinizer[2011-01-23 19:28:29] <MohammadAG> and he reviewed the N8 and said it was shit20:33
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MohammadAGalterego, yes20:33
alteregoI'm reading something else :P20:33
MohammadAGhis opinion's considered a lot on symbian forums20:33
MohammadAGdue to his previously good reputation20:34
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, before you say anything, the N8's epic, hardware-wise at least20:34
alteregoIt's not to bad software either.20:34
alteregoSeems responsive and usable ..20:34
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: couln't you bash that USB thread starter and point him to the original thrrad?20:34
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I wasn't going to say anything N8 related20:35
MohammadAGthat was @ alterego20:35
MohammadAGI thought you were quoting + commenting, much like I do :P20:35
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (I thought you were quoting + commenting,...) When I do this, I'm putting quote in brackets. You should know my style by now20:39
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kaltsiMohammadAG: thanks for hostmode-gui, I got my camera connected to n900 with the help of it :)20:40
MohammadAG:D yw20:40
* MohammadAG thanks PaulFertser for patches20:41
kaltsimade a small timelapse video (hostmode-gui is there too) :)
* ShadowJK wonders what happened to C6-0120:41
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: not going to be nitpicking, but kernel patches been a coproduction of Paul and me20:43
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, and you started the project, don't forget that20:44
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* FauxFaux ponders finally giving in and installing pr1.3; bets on a new version being announced immediately afterwards?20:46
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MohammadAG(Community SSU)20:47
MohammadAGkaltsi, cool vid :D20:48
JaffaFauxFaux: However, having PR1.3 is a pre-req ;-)20:48
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FauxFauxIt's still only one round of actually having to do backups, though. ;)20:49
JaffaFauxFaux: Correct. Well, depending on how much you trust the testing version of the CSSU ;-)20:54
* alterego ponders how to do database migration.20:55
alteregoI could just handle upgrades.20:55
JaffaWhat's eldar's latest rumour? That RM-680 is scrapped?20:55
alteregoWithout the ability to roll back on earlier versions of software.20:55
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MohammadAGJaffa, yup21:03
alteregoHrm, or maybe I should do this internally in the application.21:04
MohammadAGI'm so donating to this guy's hard work on his script
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GAN900I'll laugh if it turns out to be true.21:06
GAN900When is somebody going to ask Nokia the hard questions about their complete lack of consistent migration from generation to generation. . . .21:07
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javispedro"generation? we had a previous generation product? impossible!!!"21:15
javispedrothey fired the entire previous generation team either way =)21:15
Firzen|2recently I installed Maemo SDK with Scratchbox and it finally works good, but I also need to compile my Qt-based applications..21:16
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Firzen|2and I haven't find any HOWTO.. only some very bad links with garbage :-/21:18
Firzen|2can somebody help me? :D21:18
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iDontEpic OC fatality :P?21:24
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: LMAO21:33
MrBawbFirzen|2: are you looking for a howto for the whole process? or something in particular?21:34
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Firzen|2MrBawb: hi, whole process please21:35
Firzen|2MrBawb: I am really newbie :D21:35
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, yep, it's an awesome script, I know21:35
JaffaMohammadAG: DocScrutinizer: Don't be mean. Everyone has to start somewhere.21:36
MrBawbFirzen|2: ah. I think nokia had some docs, but I don't know how helpful they are.  Do you have code that works on another platform?21:36
MohammadAGJaffa, I know how it is for someone to start, I was a noob a year ago21:36
DocScrutinizerJaffa: that's why I didn't answer to the thread on tmo21:36
JaffaDocScrutinizer: Indeed :-)21:37
MohammadAGbut copyrighting a script that moves from mydocs to /usr/bin? :/21:37
DocScrutinizerJaffa: anyway I'm temped to ask if it's Lukas, the 11yo stepson if my friend. He started shellscripting 4 weeks ago, and was really excited about it21:37
* MohammadAG slaps self for being an asshole21:37
Firzen|2MrBawb: yes, I have lots of working programs here I only need some way how to compile them for Maemo21:38
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infobotmaemosdk is, like,
Firzen|2MohammadAG: ??21:42
MohammadAGlink to the SDK, you need it to compile for maemo ^21:43
yaccDoes dbus-scripts automatically pick up changed scripts?21:43
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Firzen|2MohammadAG: I already have Maemo SDK21:43
Firzen|2MohammadAG: and sb ..21:44
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DocScrutinizer  MUHAHAHA, sure, "just run a RAM checker" - on a device that's so fired fsckdup it doesn't even boot anymore21:45
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, yeah, mentioned him above21:46
MohammadAGhe also mentions some rule, 69 or 80:20 or whatever21:46
javispedroalso, isn't the ram on the same package21:46
MohammadAGyeah, forgot about that21:47
MrBawbFirzen|2: well, the compiler in the scratchbox just makes binaries for whatever target it is set to21:47
MohammadAGmaybe we should port memtestx8621:47
javispedroN9 to have holographic calls21:47
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MrBawbFirzen|2: so your compile process shouldn't change much if at all21:48
Firzen|2MrBawb: no.. Qt libaries are just missing or damaged I don't know.. simple programs can be compilled but qt-based not21:48
MrBawbFirzen|2: you might just be missing the qt libraries or development package21:49
MrBawbFirzen|2: are you familiar with apt-get?21:50
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Firzen|2MrBawb: yes.. I am trying now something :D21:50
MrBawbFirzen|2: just make sure you run it inside the scratchbox21:51
Firzen|2MrBawb: i am sure, because outside scratchbox it works :D21:51
MohammadAG7271384.3s lag o_O21:52
MohammadAGapt-get install libqt4-dev21:52
MohammadAGFirzen|2, ^21:52
MohammadAGyou might want to use fakeroot before that21:53
Firzen|2MohammadAG: "libqt4-dev is already the newest version."  .. but it really does not work21:53
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: checked what console output memtest is using?21:53
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, hmm, tty0 I guess21:55
MohammadAGFirzen|2, compilation error is?21:55
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (7271384.3s lag) Cesar sent you an IRC msg? :-P21:55
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Firzen|2MohammadAG: sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/MyDocs/trideni-build-desktop] > make21:56
Firzen|2g++ -c -pipe -O2 -Wall -W -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I../trideni -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4 -I. -I. -I../trideni -I. -o main.o ../trideni/main.cpp21:56
Firzen|2In file included from ../trideni/main.cpp:2:21:56
MohammadAGit's 7271382.8s now, improvements!21:56
Firzen|2MohammadAG: "class MainWindow' has no member named 'show'"  I really don't understand this.. it is just impossible :D21:57
Firzen|2MohammadAG: I think that whole scratchbox is sick :-)21:57
DocScrutinizerhmm, cool. still 82 days21:57
MohammadAGscratchbox is sick, but all Qt apps compile in it for me21:57
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Firzen|2MohammadAG: and target FREMANTLE_ARMEL is ok?21:59
mikhasFirzen|2, *Q*MainWindow21:59
MrBawbQMainWindow seems to have no show in this version22:00
MrBawbactually, I didn't take parent classes into consideration22:00
MohammadAGQMainWindow can't have no show22:00
MrBawbah, it's in qwidget22:01
MrBawb<- hasn't used qt22:01
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MrBawbFirzen|2: is that the first error message?22:02
MrBawbgotta go22:03
Firzen|2MrBawb: no.. "QMainWindow: No such file or directory"  even stranger :D22:03
mikhas#include <QtGui>22:03
mikhasand also, #include <QtCore>22:04
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Firzen|2mikhas: it doesn't make sense .. it is generated by QtCreator22:04
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lalalalhi has anyone managed to watch youtube clips like you would on desktop pc?22:05
Firzen|2mikhas: of course this does not work22:05
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Firzen|2and all versions seems good..22:08
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DocScrutinizerdamn, what a bunch of idiots. I wonder if they also consider running their 2.8GHz Intel CPU at 7GHz22:31
DocScrutinizerthough I shouldn't say this - I'm the first to blame ingnorants for comparing ARM SoC to x8622:32
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, can I offer you some soothing kitten imagery to ease the soul's suffering? :P22:34
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DocScrutinizeraaah ""tuned to run with 6pound of beef plus 200g instant coffe per day""22:36
GAN900What's the rotation shortcut?22:37
kerioDocScrutinizer, GAN900:
MohammadAGTo view this video or group, please verify you are 18 or older by signing in or signing up. If you would instead prefer to avoid potentially inappropriate content, consider activating YouTube's Safety Mode.22:38
MohammadAGwhy the fuck did I put my real age when I signed up22:39
GAN900microb is being a big baby22:39
DocScrutinizerCtrl + Shift + O    Turns on/off Portrait mode (Requires keyboard closed to work) **Incomplete Feature** (prior to PR 1.2)22:40
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MohammadAGI still want orientation lock22:42
kerioi just pretend portrait doesn't exist22:42
kerioit works great22:42
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DocScrutinizeryeah, even rtcom-call-ui can be locked to landscape :-)22:45
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, not what I meant22:54
MohammadAGthe iPhone does it well22:54
MohammadAGyou tick orientation lock, it blocks portrait system wide22:55
MohammadAGhighly doable if mce was open22:55
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pupniki should sell an egg-shaped knockoff phone called eiphone22:58
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: too late afaik23:04
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pupnikwow, a 25mhz NeXTstation color that i was going to bid-on sold for 450 euro23:10
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DocScrutinizerhmm, wonder how much a cube would be23:13
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pupniki loved the keyboards on them23:19
pupnikbut after being on a laptop so long, the full-travel keyboards are too clunky feeling23:20
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trumeeAnybody has tried "Advanced Clock Plugin"?23:21
trumeei was wondering whether it is possible to have two clocks in the Status menu showing different time zones23:22
trumeei usually have two clocks on my kde desktop and was hoping to do the same on N900.23:23
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alteregotrumee: it certainly is possible23:29
alteregotrue queen beecon can do it I guess23:29
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trumeealterego: i want a second clock along with the first one. QBW will only show up in the desktop space23:30
RST38hEldar claims N9 has been cancelled, lemmings jump off the cliff23:30
alteregoRST38h: :d23:31
alteregoI thought he said RM 680 was cancelled23:31
alteregoWhich may be the Dali device23:31
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rm_workono, I'm cancelled?23:31
rm_workoh, not me23:31
rm_workgood :P23:31
alteregoWait, no Dali is something else23:31
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GAN900rm_work, no, you too.23:33
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rm_workdamn T_T23:33
* RST38h cancels rm_work with a huge postal timestamp23:34
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timeless_xchatgan900, how are you?23:36
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RST38hOh well. Sleep.23:46
pupnikcu RST38h23:46
GAN900timeless_xchat, at work on a Sunday, being consumed by soul eaters.23:46
GAN900RST38h, later.23:46
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timeless_xchataww :(23:47
timeless_xchati wish your soul a speedy recovery23:47
* timeless_xchat is returning from a wedding 23:47
RST38hGAN900:firethrower helps/23:47
GAN900On the bright side, there's a used superzoom that's in my price range. *g*23:47
GAN900timeless_xchat, sounds exhausting.23:47
GAN900RST38h, need a permit for that.23:48
* lcuk raises a glass to timeless_xchat \o23:48
lcukdid you have a good time?23:48
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timeless_xchatyeah, we were all very proud+happy23:49
lcuk\o/ awesome23:51
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