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| pupnik | ebay: Oric-1 6502 microcomputer http://ln-s.net/8P_S | 00:31 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, columbus is how many lines again? | 00:34 |
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| alterego | can't remember, I'd have to check. | 00:36 |
| alterego | over 8k | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | just do display couple pictures? | 00:37 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, read the code, it does more :P | 00:38 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | albanc, | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, * | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/columbus-0.9.3/src] > cat `find` 2>/dev/null | wc -l | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | 5020 | 00:40 |
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| pupnik | whoah | 00:41 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, hope you don't mind http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=926995&postcount=57 | 00:44 |
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| alterego | Awww, thanks :) | 00:46 |
| alterego | that doesn't even include the libs or plugins :P | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | knew i forgot something | 00:47 |
| alterego | It's okay, you got your point across and I appreciate the sentiment. :) | 00:48 |
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| pupnik | are there curved displays yet? I want a linux+arm coffeecup | 00:49 |
| alterego | Yes, there are | 00:50 |
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| alterego | Not sure how useful an arm powered mug would be though | 00:55 |
| Pauly | hey what do u guys think is the most coolest app for fremantle? | 00:55 |
| alterego | Columbus | 00:55 |
| pupnik | alterego: some people would buy it based on the novelty of a computer-cup | 00:55 |
| pupnik | run pacman in demo mode on it | 00:55 |
| pupnik | picture slideshow etc | 00:56 |
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| MohammadAG | Mohammediaplayer | 00:57 |
| alterego | Yeah, it'd have to be cost effective though | 00:57 |
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| Pauly | columbus seems cool | 00:57 |
| * MohammadAG sees eveyone mentioning their app | 00:57 | |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 00:57 |
| alterego | It's gonna get a lot cooler | 00:57 |
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| Pauly | i just found the my-maemo.com | 00:58 |
| alterego | After 1.0 that is, once all the features are stable the v2 road map is all about the coolness | 00:58 |
| Pauly | does it have compass? | 00:58 |
| alterego | my-maemo is the bain of my existence. | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | yes, gps based | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | what's "bain"? | 00:59 |
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| alterego | Yes, due to the absence of an inbuilt digi compass :( | 00:59 |
| jacekowski | builtin | 00:59 |
| jacekowski | inbuilt is incorrect | 00:59 |
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| johnx | MohammadAG, probably means 'bane' | 01:00 |
| alterego | pfft | 01:00 |
| alterego | Yes, that too | 01:00 |
| johnx | but yeah builtin / inbuilt is just a English dialect thing AFAICT | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | what's bane? | 01:00 |
| Pauly | wow so does the my maemo have diff apps then maemo.org repo? | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 01:00 |
| pupnik | wish i could enable javascript for just one page (tab) in a browser | 01:00 |
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| MohammadAG | i hate my-maemo | 01:01 |
| alterego | Pauly: it's just a review site, it catalogs apps from extras and testing and devel repos | 01:01 |
| alterego | Maybe others' | 01:01 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: me too | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | oh, that | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | so it links to devel? | 01:01 |
| alterego | Yeah | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | it's what symbian brought you | 01:02 |
| alterego | It's lame because I always get 1 review from a whining jap that can't use it. | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | besides me - damn that's cheesy | 01:02 |
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| MohammadAG | i hate it cause it's based on the concept that symbian has no central place for apps | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | that's a retarded concept for maemo, repos are there | 01:03 |
| johnx | alterego, consider getting someone to do a Japanese translation? :D | 01:03 |
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| MohammadAG | and maemo.org has a rating system | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | lol johnx | 01:03 |
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| johnx | and the more disconnected review sites there are, the less useful they become | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | there's also that site for maemo warez | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | grr, shouldn't read the wl1251 pk inj thread. It always makes me want to kick or beat up assholes | 01:06 |
| johnx | warez for linux. heh. I was always a bit confused about stuff like that, but I guess it's to make the windows script kiddies feel comfortable when they switch | 01:06 |
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| alterego | Heh | 01:10 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, are you rich? | 01:13 |
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| MohammadAG | Columbus is a project more big and more complex than mine and if they don't ask for donations...perhaps a reason exists (a sponsor? an university-research? a sand-box for develop a sellable product? they are rich from family? :P) | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | i wish i would be rich | 01:13 |
| pupnik | epson 50mhz 486 'Internet Tablet' on sale for ebay http://ln-s.net/8Pa- | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, the only explanation from his choices is that you're rich | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | that's why you're making columbus | 01:15 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I'm replying now ;) | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, k, bill gates | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | Tom Gates | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't sound too bad | 01:16 |
| alterego | :) | 01:16 |
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| MohammadAG | isn't there also a big project on maemo that's free? | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | can't remember it | 01:21 |
| alterego | There's loads of big projects, I doubt Columbus is that large compared to others tbh | 01:22 |
| alterego | I bet maemo mapper is pretty large, for instance. | 01:22 |
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| MohammadAG | canola looks big | 01:24 |
| alterego | Canola was funded by indt, (nokia r&d) | 01:25 |
| alterego | It is FOSS though | 01:25 |
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| MohammadAG | ah | 01:25 |
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| MohammadAG | tweego? | 01:26 |
| alterego | I believe that's hobbyist | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | but it's foss with no donate button | 01:26 |
| alterego | Yeah, there's a lot of apps that don't have donate buttons :) | 01:27 |
| pupnik | we totally need better local dns caching proggies | 01:27 |
| pupnik | i want every lookup to go into a textfile in /etc/hosts format | 01:27 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:28 |
| alterego | neat idea | 01:28 |
| alterego | Then on failure does a clean lookup | 01:28 |
| mikhas | and then be burned when the DNS actually *does* update | 01:28 |
| alterego | And marks that domain as "dynamic" | 01:28 |
| mikhas | ah yes | 01:28 |
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| alterego | Could do by developing a small dns server. | 01:29 |
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| pupnik | just now i had some very big sites fail to resolve | 01:29 |
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| alterego | Doc had a problem like that last week | 01:30 |
| alterego | Can't remember if it was his fault or what :) | 01:31 |
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| gregoa | pupnik: would dnsmasq or unbound do what you are looking for? | 01:44 |
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| pupnik | hmm ty gregoa | 01:44 |
| gregoa | np | 01:44 |
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| nox- | i thought n900 already ran dnsmasq? | 01:45 |
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| gregoa | nox-: right, dnsmasq is running on my n900 | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | xim_: you can | 01:48 |
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| gregoa | xim_: settings -> profiles | 01:48 |
| xim_ | ahhh the profile thing is a button, i thought it was just a label. thanks | 01:50 |
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| xim_ | how can i change the background from my themes background to "the milkyway galaxy background" which i have installed? | 01:54 |
| BCMM | xim_: desktop menu | 01:55 |
| xim_ | ah thanks | 01:55 |
| BCMM | np | 01:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, too many MeeGo mailing lists. | 02:00 |
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| xim_ | does anyone know where the settings to recaller are saved? it used to crash all the time, so i did a factory restore on my phone, it worked a bit, then it would just go green and stay that way, then i uninstalled and reinstalled, now it wont turn green | 02:00 |
| xim_ | id like to just blow away the settings before i totally give up on it, it was probably the most useful thing on my n900 | 02:01 |
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| Venemo | GeneralAntilles: +1 | 02:05 |
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| peregrin | are all the build utilities and includes available for maemo, eg. gcc automake libtool libc-dev etc? | 02:40 |
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| peregrin | on the device itself? | 02:41 |
| wmarone | not on the device itself | 02:43 |
| wmarone | not by default at least | 02:43 |
| peregrin | of course :) would i just need to add the Fremantle SDK repo? is this done at all? | 02:45 |
| wmarone | some people do, however none of the tools are configured to run from /opt | 02:45 |
| wmarone | so you'll need to make sure there's space on your root device | 02:46 |
| peregrin | damn, that problem still huh... | 02:46 |
| wmarone | well, that problem will be there until the root device is huge | 02:46 |
| wmarone | and it'll always be there on the N900 | 02:46 |
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| peregrin | its so annoying they have /usr/include already filled. else it may be possible to mount in opt... | 02:49 |
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| peregrin | my itty bitty netbook cannot handle the hd space of a scratchbox install. it seems to install literally everything. | 02:58 |
| peregrin | maybe i could run nfsd or something on my n900? | 02:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wmarone: not exactly correct. You don't need a huge root, if you got a sane partitioning | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | peregrin_: wmarone: see | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 06:41 |
| infobot | optification is probably a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw same is true for /var | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | if done right from beginning, a sane partitioning wouldn't need any kinky /opt at all | 06:43 |
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| peregrin_ | yeah so i had heard. | 07:04 |
| peregrin_ | nice title | 07:05 |
| peregrin_ | im thinking /opt mount might come after /usr/lib is needed, so moving it entirely to /opt is out. maybe including a separate folder in LD path or whatev.... | 07:06 |
| peregrin_ | i never did hear of a nice, graceful solution | 07:06 |
| pupnik_ | DocScrutinizer: what would be 'right' partitioning for n900? | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: is that a rhetoric question? | 07:08 |
| peregrin_ | pupnik_: an overlay on the mmc | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 07:08 |
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| pupnik_ | i think i understand the reasons for the opt system.. | 07:09 |
| peregrin_ | just like openwrt does it, an overlay. | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: I think you don't | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 07:09 |
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| peregrin_ | required binaries to run on /, the rest on /opt. | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what FHS says, yes | 07:10 |
| wmarone | the claimed reason is due to onenand speed vs. eMMC speed | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 07:10 |
| peregrin_ | right | 07:10 |
| peregrin_ | i think its that thing they didnt want to do right | 07:11 |
| pupnik_ | so i have an angstrom filesystem in 280 MB right now | 07:11 |
| pupnik_ | with gcc and my dev libs | 07:11 |
| peregrin_ | oh well, at least its debian based | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole point is they got some binaries in /usr/(s)bin that evidently had to go to /(s)bin - e.g PA | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | instead of fixing this, they invented optification | 07:13 |
| wmarone | even then, 256MB is critically small | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | the reason probably is that there's no feasible way to do a SSU to a sane partitioning, from a system that's not using eMMC at all for binaries, like PR1.0/1.1 | 07:14 |
| peregrin_ | better than 4MB | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | wmarone: nonsense, you can have a system with a rootfs as small as 16MB, just big enough to hold the bare minimum as defined by FHS | 07:16 |
| peregrin_ | yeah, i agree. the root could be really small if they just set it up to use /opt correctly. | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | everything else *may* go to mounted auxiliary volumes | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | not /opt, peregrin_ . FHS and /usr and /var | 07:17 |
| peregrin_ | im almost thinking there were systems that could not handle multiple PATHs... | 07:17 |
| peregrin_ | whatev. /opt or /usr/local, its the same thing, FHS or not. | 07:18 |
| peregrin_ | FHS is codification. | 07:18 |
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| peregrin_ | cofification is the writing down of *existing* law. | 07:18 |
| peregrin_ | in the same respect, fhs is the reflection of best practices. | 07:19 |
| peregrin_ | this is obviously not best. | 07:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | Can anyone test something for me? Anyone not using backupmenu(or willing to remove it for a test)? | 07:19 |
| peregrin_ | fhs would have been nice. best practices would have been nicer. | 07:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | I need someone to install bootmenu-n900 v1.9(latest in repo), and reboot with the keyboard open. | 07:20 |
| peregrin_ | bootmenu? too rich for my blood. | 07:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's just a package in extras-devel; no relation to multiboot or u-boot. | 07:22 |
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| RST38h | well. moo. | 07:45 |
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| MohammadAG | moo RST38h | 07:53 |
| Necc | i smell mass brainfail | 07:54 |
| Necc | it is monday morning? | 07:54 |
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| MohammadAG | pretty much, unless you live two globe spins before us | 07:55 |
| kerio | the most you can get is one half and a couple of hours | 07:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Still Sunday in some places. | 07:56 |
| Necc | i live on the mars | 07:56 |
| kerio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%2B14 | 07:56 |
| RST38h | What US state? | 07:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: Mars will probably become a colony of India | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ^^^ | 08:06 |
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| juk | was about to post, power went down :( | 08:08 |
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| juk | so i downloaded wikipedia dump older version, cause no pics in the newest i could see, but it's status inactive, what do i do? | 08:09 |
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| juk | i started downloading the older one by someones suggestion, that i'll be able to see the pics | 08:11 |
| juk | here | 08:11 |
| juk | exciting, it's 8.06 tarred :) | 08:12 |
| juk | 8.06(G) | 08:13 |
| juk | were downloading like month already | 08:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd like to see a wiki.maemo.org dump for download | 08:17 |
| RST38h | Expecting maemo.org to go the way of symbian.org? | 08:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just thinking there's a whole lot of situations where you'd need the wealth of info from wiki locally available, along the rationale why web based man pages are usually nonsense | 08:27 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, yep | 08:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also compensating the lack of the ought-to-be free pdf copy of O'Reilly "maemo unleashed" that should have shipped with every N900, to complement the product with a user manual that's entitled for that name | 08:32 |
| juk | DocScrutinizer: i think we should contact maemo maintainers to release the dump, they should have backups | 08:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/O'Reilly/Addison Wessley/. | 08:34 |
| juk | that sweet ofcourse | 08:35 |
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| juk | what about pics from wikipedia, why i can't see a single picture | 08:35 |
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| juk | how to activate shit, it's inactive | 08:39 |
| juk | DocScrutinizer: or you need curl and shell skils do grab the dump, and put here a link, so we all can download it, just idea | 08:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | juk: the wiki servers are already slow and much too often down | 08:44 |
| juk | i see | 08:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd think they could handle some rsync, but for sure no massive "spider" attack | 08:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I once grabbed wiki.openmoko via wget, and while I really tried to keep out all the special pages, it still downloaded something like 10 times what's really needed | 08:49 |
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| juk | haha, the trick was to disable the newest one | 09:27 |
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| juk | im crying, no PICS in 2010-01-16 either! | 09:33 |
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| nze | hi, i'm trying to use the rescue initrd as described on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 11:17 |
| nze | I get the n900 to boot into the rescue system, but then i'm a bit lost | 11:17 |
| psycho_oreos | you might also want to ask that in #meego as well | 11:18 |
| nze | psycho_oreos: thanks, i'll do that too | 11:18 |
| psycho_oreos | :) | 11:19 |
| nze | the keyboard seems to be in qwerty mode, but i can't figure out how to type anything other than [a-zA-Z], especially no dashes or slashes, so i dont see how i'd go about mounting the root partition.. | 11:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that's indeed annoying. | 11:32 |
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| nid0 | bleh, need a new nas :( | 11:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | errr, how would I create a desktop icon (any kind) to open a particular file in Notes? | 11:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | more generic: how to place 'project' files on desktop and - on clicking them - open them with their associated app (the usual beaviour on very usual desktop) | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/very/every/ | 11:43 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: more generic: how to place 'project' files on desktop and - on clicking them - open them with their associated app (the usual beaviour on every usual desktop) | 11:43 |
| frals | write a wrapper script that looks up mimetype and performs the correct action? ;o | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-S | 11:46 |
| RST38h | Actually, you can make a cusotm desktop file do this | 11:46 |
| RST38h | where it has execution line, type "/usr/bin/notes filename.txt" or something like this | 11:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | seems hd has a blind spot there | 11:49 |
| RST38h | hd has a lot of blind spots | 11:50 |
| RST38h | this one is by no means a large one | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm | 11:51 |
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| * RST38h sighs and goes back to watching Android device release news | 11:53 | |
| * MohammadAG waves | 11:53 | |
| RST38h | Heya, Mohammad | 11:54 |
| MohammadAG | morning RST38h | 11:54 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: N9 is coming out with Android. | 11:54 |
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| RST38h | Speed: Nah, it will be running WinXP. | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG | pfft, Win7 | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG | and it'll be ARM | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG | running Win7 under qemu | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Naah - WinXP, an ARM version. | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Specially for nokia. | 11:56 |
| Appiah | Why not WinME? atleast you could shit done on that OS | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | is the N9 the new Duke Nukem Forever? | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: it is the new Amiga. | 11:56 |
| frals | hey duke nukem forever is coming out 3rd of may | 11:57 |
| frals | or was it 12th? | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | I think I didn't exist Amiga-times | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | OMG | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | frals leaked the N9 release date, May 3 or May 12! | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: too bad, it was ages ahead of its time | 11:58 |
| frals | the trailer is awesome for dnf ;D | 11:58 |
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| MohammadAG | he's using coded talk to leak stuff, his last message means the N9 sucks :P | 11:59 |
| RST38h | I think we should apply thermorectal cryptoanalysis here | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG | do it | 12:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: try osso_notes --help; it clearly states how to use notes ;-P | 12:00 |
| RST38h | Doc: Freaking sh.... | 12:02 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, ping | 12:09 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: about to have a shower, I'll talk to you in a few minutes. | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: indeed. FFS! Need to hack up some ~/.notes or gconf key, just because Nokia devels once again just did what gui designers asked for. Spank them hard for being lazy and nasty | 12:12 |
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| Venemo | good morning everyone | 12:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: Your task for today is to convince RST38h that it is a good morning. | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd be interested in that argumentation as well :-/ | 12:17 |
| Venemo | RST38h: this is a good morning! | 12:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | grrrr, .osso/osso-notes/.g_keyfile .osso/osso-notes/.permanent_state | 12:29 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: pong | 12:32 |
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| alterego | It is indeed a good mornikng | 12:33 |
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| RST38h | Venemo: Is it, really? | 12:40 |
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| Venemo | RST38h: yes, it is :) | 12:43 |
| Venemo | RST38h: give me reasons why not! | 12:43 |
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| toadpole | hey someone help me out here? i just got my class 10 micro sd, and the write speed is 16 mb/s in mass storage mode, but 4 mb/s when i put it into my card reader... is it genuine? | 12:58 |
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| chx | that's fairly impossible to say | 12:59 |
| Venemo | toadpole: obviously there is an issue with the card reader | 12:59 |
| chx | to boot , class 10 is only 10 MByte/s not 16 | 12:59 |
| alterego | Is the card reader USB 2.0 ? | 12:59 |
| toadpole | it should be.. no way to check, though.. i was just wondering, when copying to the card in mass storage mode, does it buffer the data on the phone, or copy directly? | 13:02 |
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| toadpole | any way to benchmark sd on the n900? | 13:02 |
| alterego | It should copy directly, there maybe be a small about of buffering but when transfering large files it shouldn't affect your statistics. | 13:02 |
| toadpole | i tried copying a 1.14 gb file, gave a constant 16 mb/s | 13:03 |
| toadpole | though its not very fast copying in filebox | 13:03 |
| alterego | Copies on device are awful .. | 13:04 |
| toadpole | that's to be expected, then? | 13:04 |
| alterego | The N900 is quite a good sd card reader when plugged in in mass storage, should give you good USB 2.0 speeds. | 13:04 |
| timeless_xchat | iirc there's a shared bus | 13:05 |
| alterego | At least, I've not had problems tbh. | 13:05 |
| alterego | otoh, the internal SD card reader on my laptop is quicker. | 13:05 |
| alterego | By maybe 2-3Mb/s | 13:05 |
| timeless_xchat | which means copying from one point on the bus via the cpu(?) to another point mostly sucks | 13:05 |
| timeless_xchat | only using the bus once is much better | 13:06 |
| toadpole | though i'm just wondering, class 10 would imply 10 mb/s write speed, right? how come i'm getting 16, then? | 13:06 |
| alterego | toadpole: these things aren't an exact science. a class 10 card maybe perform better or worse. | 13:07 |
| alterego | The quality of SD cards varies. | 13:07 |
| toadpole | yeah, though that much of a difference? wouldn't that be like a 7200 rpm hdd performing at 10000 rpm? | 13:07 |
| timeless_xchat | news near you: Helsinki R Kioski Newsagent Robbed at Knifepoint | 13:07 |
| timeless_xchat | ... welcome to HEL | 13:08 |
| alterego | toadpole: I don't know, as I don't know what you're doing to benchmark this stuff :P | 13:08 |
| alterego | toadpole: you might be getting megabytes confused with megabits for all I know :P | 13:08 |
| toadpole | http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.heise.de/software/download/h2testw/50539&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DH2testw%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG | 13:08 |
| alterego | Just be happy that your card appears to be performing well at least :) | 13:08 |
| toadpole | that's what i'm using | 13:08 |
| toadpole | the main thing is, meego needs a class 6 minimum | 13:09 |
| alterego | rubbish | 13:09 |
| alterego | I use Class 4 with MeeGo | 13:09 |
| alterego | And it works fine for me. | 13:09 |
| toadpole | no performance flaws, then? | 13:09 |
| alterego | In fact my class 4 works better than a lot of class 6s :D | 13:09 |
| alterego | At least from the benchmarks I was generating for our 1.1 images last year. | 13:09 |
| alterego | toadpole: we were measuring startup times of applications (firefox in particular) and I Was getting, with my class 4, some of the best. | 13:10 |
| alterego | We actually used my benchmarks for our QA afaik | 13:10 |
| Venemo | alterego: how much better is the eMMC? | 13:10 |
| alterego | Venemo: it should be equivalent to a class 10 | 13:11 |
| toadpole | well, i guess i'll give it a go, then... though i just wanted to know if i got ripped off, this 16 gig cost me 49 usd | 13:11 |
| Venemo | alterego: sounds nice | 13:11 |
| alterego | toadpole: well, it sounds like you're getting good performance from it. | 13:11 |
| alterego | (At least in the N900) | 13:11 |
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| alterego | MeeGo app startup times are slow, so you will hopefully be better off than with a C4 card, but I think most of us that are doing MeeGo work are using C4 cards. | 13:12 |
| toadpole | could you possibly do me a favor and see what speed your class 4 copies at in mass storage mode? | 13:12 |
| eichi | is it better to connect the n900 all the time to usb power, if i'm at the laptop and unplug, if it is full or doenst matter much? | 13:12 |
| alterego | eichi: it doesn't matter much. | 13:12 |
| alterego | eichi: mine is connected all the time because I'm developing and using it as a 3G modem. | 13:13 |
| eichi | alterego: buy a new battery all, maybe 2 years should enaught or? | 13:13 |
| alterego | I've had it almost dead on a year and not had any problems. | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | eMMC is awesome for MeeGo | 13:13 |
| alterego | Which reminds me, it's my N900s birthday next week. | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | just partition it with gparted | 13:13 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: what did you want earlier? :) | 13:14 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: also, I thought you said you were going to donate last night? If you did, I've not got any indication :D | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | eMMC write ass rage = 12MB/s | 13:15 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, I forgot :/ | 13:16 |
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| toadpole | well, thanks guys, much appreciated! | 13:16 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: "write ass rage"? | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, also, pounds rejected on my card :P | 13:16 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, mass storage | 13:16 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: it's okay, was just curious. | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | drop the m and the sto | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | = ass rage | 13:17 |
| alterego | I thought DocScrutinizer was being kinky .. | 13:17 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders what makes timeless_xchat think OMAP IF MMC1 and IF MMC2 are a shared common bus | 13:18 | |
| eichi | is there a howto, to use n900 as modem? maybe i need this to next weeks | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MMC2 to eMMC even has 8 data bit, while uSD IF has 4 | 13:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/uSD/MMC1 uSD/ | 13:21 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: MMC2 to eMMC even has 8 data bit, while MMC1 uSD IF has 4 | 13:21 |
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| alterego | eichi: plug it in and use it :) | 13:22 |
| alterego | eichi: what OS are you using? | 13:22 |
| timeless_xchat | docscrutinizer: from memory, perf was abysmal for certain paths | 13:22 |
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| Carneque | I set shortcuts to my desktop, but the icons are just a few pixels WxL. Any ideas why icons for htop, nmap, and IFTraf Monitor are so tiny? | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | regardless | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | running MeeGo on the eMMC is much faster than using a uSD | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | probably cause swap's on the uSD... | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | last exam the day after tomorrow :D | 13:22 |
| timeless_xchat | although that may have been the fault of something else | 13:23 |
| eichi | alterego: mamo5 latest and archlinux latest | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, when using both interfaces, you run into swap hell after some 200MB copied | 13:23 |
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| alterego | eichi: when you connect the N900 in PC suite mode, a new serial device should apear in /dev ttyACM2 | 13:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and swap definitely shares eMMC bus, with MyDocs | 13:23 |
| alterego | You can use that as a modem device. | 13:23 |
| eichi | alterego: ah okay, means i just need a general modem software then | 13:23 |
| eichi | okay, cool | 13:24 |
| alterego | Yup | 13:24 |
| eichi | alterego: which programm do you prefer for that? (just use wicd for all network things at the moment, never used a modem) | 13:24 |
| alterego | And your operator internet settings. | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: maybe YOUR swap is on uSD | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, on MeeGo it is | 13:25 |
| alterego | eichi: I use ubuntu/gnome/network-manager works out of the box | 13:25 |
| eichi | k | 13:25 |
| Venemo | hey MohammadAG | 13:25 |
| alterego | eichi: has a little setup wizzard where you choose operator etc. | 13:25 |
| timeless_xchat | oh, right, swap | 13:25 |
| eichi | okay, thanks, i will try later | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG | hi Venemo | 13:25 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: how're you? | 13:25 |
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| MohammadAG | crying over the lack of support for a perfectly good fingerprint sensor | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 13:26 |
| eichi | DocScrutinizer can meego with n900 call and sms and does it run usable (speed i mean, bugs are okay) | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG | N900 no longer made by nokia <-- tmo's on crack today | 13:26 |
| alterego | eichi: yes, yes and yes. | 13:26 |
| alterego | eichi: not constantly though, power management isn't done yet. | 13:27 |
| eichi | i just saw some videos on youtube, that looks very slow | 13:27 |
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| alterego | eichi: yeah, old videos, | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | OMG alterego http://twitpic.com/3spp01 | 13:27 |
| alterego | It runs quite well now after first boot, though again, app startup time is a little slow. | 13:27 |
| alterego | fennec is quite heavy. | 13:27 |
| timeless_xchat | anyway, my point was merely that some efforts to *measure* perf run afoul of a shared bus | 13:27 |
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| eichi | okay, then i will try a multiboot with that, if i have a microSD and exams are over | 13:27 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: :D | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: and pwer mgmt won't get mature ever | 13:28 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: ever the pessimist. | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | this is freaking cool | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no, simple facts | 13:28 |
| eichi | alterego: is megoo debian derivate? does it use qt as default? | 13:28 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: what facts? | 13:28 |
| alterego | eichi: it's not debian no, and yes it is all based on Qt. | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | red hat, not debian | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a prper PM needs to get designed into every bit of a system | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meego failed on this | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, how? | 13:29 |
| alterego | m'hmm | 13:29 |
| eichi | hm, this is like suse with rpm packages? | 13:29 |
| alterego | eichi: yes | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I bet they won't nuke and start from scratch | 13:29 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: " N900 no longer made by nokia " -> wut? | 13:29 |
| timeless_xchat | rpm, not red hat | 13:29 |
| eichi | Venemo: now its made by McDonalds ;D | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ergo: no proper PM on meego ever | 13:30 |
| Venemo | eichi: wtf? | 13:30 |
| eichi | Venemo: joke | 13:30 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: why not? | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, tmo post | 13:30 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: I think that's a rather broad and silly statement. | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I can still buy nokia on nokia.co.luk | 13:30 |
| korhojoa_ | Hey, anyone know where the wep/wpa(2) keys are stored for the wlan connections? | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, it's part of happy meals now | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh | 13:30 |
| timeless_xchat | speedevil : availablility for purchase is a function of stock | 13:30 |
| korhojoa_ | buy three happy meals, get a n900 | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It says 'temporarily out of stock' | 13:30 |
| korhojoa_ | you need some coupon thing | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Oops. | 13:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: I'm not in a mood to argue | 13:31 |
| timeless_xchat | and isn't necessarily connected to manufacturing | 13:31 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: with the exception of the accelerometer polling you mentioned yesterday, what other systems aren't adequate to your power management requirements? | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | RElated to the above stock query. | 13:31 |
| andre900 | korhojoa: in gconf | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Does anyone know where to purchase replacemetnt rearbuds for rthe headset? | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, keep in mind that MeeGo is a handwarmer at the moment :P | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ear | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG | till the bug on the tracker is fixed | 13:32 |
| alterego | :) | 13:32 |
| alterego | Depends where you put the N900, I like it down my trousers. | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: explain to me how meego architects could fail so elementarily on sensorfw, and maybe I admit they might have done a proper job on all the other subsystems | 13:33 |
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| korhojoa_ | andre900: where? | 13:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | until then I assume equal incompetence across all meego development | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - that's nice. Ebay has 'original WH-205's for 3.29. | 13:34 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, that sounds... weird | 13:34 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: I'm just saying that with the amount of people working on it your're making massive accusations that you can't actually back up. | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | or maybe I'm too much of a perv | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pff | 13:34 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: I'm not saying you're wrong or right, but you're sort of trolling :P | 13:34 |
| timeless_xchat | shouldn't meego trolling be elsewhere? | 13:35 |
| timeless_xchat | :) | 13:35 |
| alterego | timeless_xchat: that too ;) | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no, I'm just tossing over another notion on your "yet" | 13:35 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, let's switch tabs to #meego | 13:36 |
| chx | SpeedEvil: Original by Nokla ;) | 13:36 |
| * timeless_xchat isn't in there atm :) | 13:36 | |
| timeless_xchat | /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/IAP | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: actually your statement "just no proper PM *yet*" was way more silly and bold than my reply | 13:37 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: I'm sure Stskeeps would be very interested to hear what you have to say about sensorfw/that-kernel-driver .. | 13:37 |
| timeless_xchat | or something like that for keys fwiw | 13:37 |
| timeless_xchat | => korhojoa | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: he's not | 13:37 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: m'hmm .. | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | heasked 'is it upstream?' | 13:37 |
| timeless_xchat | (use tab completion in xterm) | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | chx: I have serious doubts as to the authenticity. However - I'm only hoping at worst for the rubber bits - which are not hard to make | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | CBA | 13:38 |
| alterego | Great, | 13:38 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: no offense, but if you think they're doing it wrong and you know how to do it right, then why don't you contribute? :) | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | not the upstream argument again, please, we had that yesterday | 13:38 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: what's the name of the working driver? And where can I get the source for it? | 13:38 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: I will happily write patches myself, (I'll accredit you for finding the bug of course) | 13:39 |
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| timeless_xchat | alterego : s/accredit/credit/, i think | 13:41 |
| alterego | Yes, we all know I'm rubbish at English. | 13:42 |
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| * alterego continues making his way through the awful coffee. | 13:43 | |
| * MohammadAG still can't get what people see in coffee | 13:45 | |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: I agree, tea is much better | 13:45 |
| alterego | I like both :P | 13:48 |
| Venemo | my personal favourite is Twinnings' Earl Grey tea | 13:49 |
| alterego | Oh yeah, I love Earl Grey | 13:49 |
| alterego | Super tasty | 13:49 |
| Venemo | they have another good one, called "Lady Grey" which is even more delicious | 13:49 |
| timeless_xchat | iirc, twinnings is threatening to leave England | 13:50 |
| alterego | Well, it's not like we actually grow tea in england .. | 13:50 |
| Venemo | hehe | 13:50 |
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| timeless_xchat | well, you had a long tradition of growing tea bags | 13:51 |
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| * timeless_xchat hops off a bus and heads home (it's snowing in HEL) | 13:51 | |
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| MohammadAG | snowing in HEL, hah | 13:53 |
| * MohammadAG adds another L | 13:53 | |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: there's a Lordi song with that title | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 13:54 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Snows_in_Hell | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't know there were finnish heavy metal bands... | 13:56 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: there are many | 13:57 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: One even won Eurovision (the aforementioned Lordi) | 13:57 |
| sig^ | Jaffa: | 13:57 |
| sig^ | eh. | 13:57 |
| sig^ | right. | 13:57 |
| sig^ | sorry about that, tab fail. | 13:57 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: their best song (imo) is "Devil is a looser" | 13:58 |
| sig^ | (: someone who likes to loosen it up or something? | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~dict looser | 13:59 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'looser' superl. {Loosest}.] [OE. loos, lous, laus, Icel. lauss; akin to OD. loos, D. los, AS. le['a]s false, deceitful, G. los, loose, Dan. & Sw. l["o]s, Goth. laus, and E. lose. [root]127. See {Lose}, and cf. {Leasing} falsehood.] 1. Unbound; untied; unsewed; not attached, fastened, fixed, or confined; as, the loose sheets of a book. [1913 Webster] Her hair, nor loose, nor tied in formal plat. --Shak. [1913 Webster] 2. Free from constraint ... | 13:59 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: correct. I accidentally typed one more 'o' than I should have | 13:59 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: thx | 14:02 |
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| Venemo | why is it that the media player displays some embedded album arts and doesn't display some others? | 14:06 |
| lardman | mmm, blt | 14:09 |
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| alterego | Almost lunch time, got a noice pizza for lunch ::) | 14:13 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, I can haz slice? | 14:16 |
| alterego | Sure, | 14:17 |
| alterego | That'll be 20 pounds | 14:17 |
| * alterego chuckles. | 14:17 | |
| MohammadAG | so the whole pizza's £160? | 14:18 |
| alterego | No, I'm just marking up the slice I'm selling to you to make a profit :P | 14:18 |
| BCMM | they worked out how to send pizza over CTCP now? | 14:18 |
| alterego | Isn't that what the P stands for? | 14:19 |
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| alterego | Someone just came up with a cool idea on tmo | 14:29 |
| alterego | A paypal app | 14:30 |
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| alterego | It'd have to be secure, but basically it'd allow single click donations for applications that want to use this infrastructure. | 14:30 |
| * alterego ponders | 14:30 | |
| psycho_oreos | not every one likes paypal :) | 14:30 |
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| alterego | psycho_oreos: so? | 14:30 |
| alterego | psycho_oreos: not everyone likes the N900 | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'd like that too | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, maybe even a library | 14:31 |
| alterego | It's attempting to make things a little easier for people to promote support through donations. | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | something that can be implemented in all apps | 14:31 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: it would be a library and a control panel applet that they could use to configure their account. | 14:31 |
| alterego | Then your app would use the library to request a donation. | 14:32 |
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| MohammadAG | yep | 14:32 |
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| alterego | We could even include in the configuration system a registry of apps installed that have donate facilities. | 14:32 |
| alterego | So they could do it from there as well as the application about dialog or whatever. | 14:32 |
| MohammadAG | epic idea | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG | have it at my desk at 8PM | 14:33 |
| alterego | Hah | 14:33 |
| alterego | I'll look into it, the biggest concern is making it secure. | 14:33 |
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| alterego | I can't think of a way to keep the password information secure. | 14:34 |
| alterego | We don't want someone to write a script that can steal peoples paypal information. | 14:34 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: any ideas? | 14:35 |
| ShadowJK | If there was a www widget you'd just put the paypal website inside that | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | use the API? | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | if any | 14:36 |
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| MohammadAG | there is a www widget :P | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | QWebKit | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | but the point is he wants a one-click donation | 14:36 |
| alterego | That's not really what I had in mind :P | 14:36 |
| alterego | Exactly. | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | that should increase donations by mistake | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | User = ??? | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | Dev = profit! | 14:37 |
| alterego | Hahah | 14:37 |
| alterego | win win! | 14:37 |
| Venemo | alterego: isn't this a bit greedy? | 14:37 |
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| alterego | Venemo: isn't what a bit greedy? It's still up to the user to donate. | 14:37 |
| alterego | We're not forcing them to do anything. | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a glorified donate button | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | we aren't? Guess I'll have to edit it | 14:38 |
| jacekowski | alterego: encrypt it | 14:38 |
| alterego | Apparently, so some people are saying, it's currently too hard to donate. | 14:38 |
| alterego | Or they don't know where the donate facility is for an app. | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | look on the bright side | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | you'll be beating ovi | 14:39 |
| alterego | jacekowski: that's fine, but anyone with the source to this app can decrypt it | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | payments there suck | 14:39 |
| jacekowski | alterego: so? | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, make the encryption closed source | 14:39 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: look at me | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | then give me the source | 14:39 |
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| alterego | Heh | 14:39 |
| jacekowski | alterego: look at kwallet | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | oh right, block all downloads | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | in poland | 14:39 |
| alterego | jacekowski: pin code? | 14:39 |
| jacekowski | alterego: it's all in encrypted wallet | 14:39 |
| alterego | That's a good idea .. | 14:39 |
| jacekowski | alterego: that's unlocked with one password | 14:40 |
| jacekowski | alterego: and it gives access to only some apps, asking user for permission before | 14:40 |
| alterego | jacekowski: you reckon using a pin code would suffice? | 14:40 |
| jacekowski | no | 14:40 |
| jacekowski | unless it's a long one | 14:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | 9^4 possibilities | 14:40 |
| jacekowski | but 256bit rsa key can be factorised in 6 minutes | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | windows bitlocker has a 48-digit key | 14:40 |
| alterego | Good point .. | 14:40 |
| psycho_oreos | err 10^4 | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | AES256? | 14:41 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 14:41 |
| jacekowski | 6 minutes | 14:41 |
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| jacekowski | that's all you need on average hardware | 14:41 |
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| jacekowski | 4 digits pin | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | hmm, 5s on n900 | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | or less | 14:42 |
| alterego | hrm. | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | AES256 is weak? | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | I thought it takes ages to decrypt | 14:42 |
| psycho_oreos | why not GPG? lol | 14:42 |
| psycho_oreos | RSA | 14:42 |
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| jacekowski | ehh rsa | 14:43 |
| jacekowski | not aes | 14:43 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: ekhm you obviously have no idea what is it | 14:43 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, little, its the use of PK | 14:44 |
| jacekowski | it's just all popular ciphers packaged into one pretty package | 14:44 |
| psycho_oreos | I mean the RSA heh | 14:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | s/mean/meant/ | 14:45 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: I meant the RSA heh | 14:45 |
| jacekowski | rsa is weak | 14:45 |
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| jacekowski | with smaller keys | 14:45 |
| jacekowski | and omap has hardware acceleration for aes | 14:45 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: have you ported kwallet then? | 14:46 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah but that's not available in stock kernel no? :) | 14:46 |
| tybollt | what's this buzz about a semi-pad running meego? | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | alterego: i'm just giving an example | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | alterego: gnome has alternative | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | but on maemo i would implement it differently | 14:46 |
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| jacekowski | ideally - using hardware protection builtin into omap | 14:47 |
| alterego | jacekowski: well you're good with this kind of thing, what would you recommend, we need to keep it simple | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | but that's not going to happen without docs | 14:47 |
| alterego | I'm not against an encrypted keyring thing like in gnome | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | it's similiar thing to kwallet | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | just implemented slightly differently | 14:48 |
| alterego | Even if it requires a user to enter in a password upon every donation/session. | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | well, question is, do we want to protect user against theft of device and then leaked password | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | or what | 14:49 |
| alterego | yes | 14:49 |
| alterego | how would password be leaked? | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | well, if it's stored on device | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | and somebody steals it | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | and it's unencrypted | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | then you have another option of password leaking - malicious app | 14:50 |
| alterego | well the user is an idiot if they're storing their keyring password on device. | 14:50 |
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| jacekowski | ideally what would it be is daemon running as separate user | 14:51 |
| tybollt | alterego: Sorry no, they user is an idiot, period. ;-) | 14:51 |
| alterego | jacekowski: I was thinking a dbus service | 14:51 |
| jacekowski | yeah that would do | 14:51 |
| jacekowski | but dbus can be sniffed | 14:51 |
| jacekowski | which isn't nice | 14:51 |
| alterego | sure, passwords would be hashed from client to server in dbus calls | 14:52 |
| jacekowski | but on security side of it | 14:52 |
| jacekowski | client requests password from server | 14:52 |
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| jacekowski | server then verifies if md5 of program requesting password matches stored md5 | 14:53 |
| jacekowski | or some other has | 14:53 |
| jacekowski | maybe sha1 | 14:53 |
| jacekowski | if it matches and no debugger is attached to it | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | just passes password | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | otherwise it would warn user | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | of course - first time after boot it would have to ask for password | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | and then possibly password would expire after couple minutes | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | so user would have to enter it again | 14:55 |
| alterego | Yeah | 14:56 |
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| jacekowski | but you would really need check if app hasn't changed | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | so password is only sent to app that stored it | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | and then it could be used pretty much system wide for any password | 14:57 |
| alterego | I was thinking no pass sending: app requests donation, keyring handles validation and submission | 14:58 |
| alterego | So the requesting app dbus would be: donate://paypal/?ammount=10usd | 14:59 |
| alterego | then the service would say, sure you want to donate x to app? enter pass, then the service talks to paypal with auth details and opens reciept in browser context. | 15:00 |
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| jacekowski | well, that could be done in another demon | 15:04 |
| alterego | Exactly, it would all be done in our "donation/keyring" daemon | 15:04 |
| alterego | The app just requests the donation. The user says yes, enters keyring unlock password after the daemon prompts for authorisation. | 15:05 |
| jacekowski | keyring daemon could have pluggin support | 15:05 |
| alterego | jacekowski: yes, we'll make it nice and modular :) | 15:05 |
| jacekowski | shame that maemo security is so messed up | 15:05 |
| alterego | What security? | 15:05 |
| jacekowski | and you have so much shit running as root | 15:05 |
| * alterego chuckles. | 15:06 | |
| jacekowski | remember to mlock all your memory | 15:06 |
| jacekowski | so it's not swapped | 15:06 |
| alterego | m'kay | 15:06 |
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| alterego | Is there anything good for collaboration for software projects? I'd like us to brain storm this information somewhere other than IRC :) | 15:07 |
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| * Robot101 is pretty sure some kind of keyring daemon already exists which could be used here... :P | 15:07 | |
| Robot101 | like, four of them at least | 15:07 |
| Jaffa | alterego: http://www.ietherpad.com/ ? | 15:08 |
| Robot101 | gnome has one, kde has one, there's a freedesktop project iirc, and meego also has a SSO framework and accounts library which is on gitorious too | 15:08 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: But I'd also suggest following on in maemo-developers on the old thread about putting donate button support into packages (ostensibly for use by maemo.org/downloads/, but could also be used by modified HAM/Fapman/appdownloader/...) | 15:09 |
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| alterego | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12253228 | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | assuming it's in Qt, it can easily be plugged into fapman | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: yeah - someone linked on another chanel. | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | we need some XSBC-Donation-URL in debian/control though | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Can we say sponsored? | 15:21 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: That's what my proposal was :-p | 15:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:22 |
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| trx | MohammadAG http://gitorious.org/mediabar/mediabar/blobs/master/src/maemo5deviceevents.cpp is ProximityD required for this DBus connection? | 15:22 |
| OkropNick | Are microSD cards with capacity higher than 16GB also supported for N900? | 15:22 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: MohammadAG: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-January/023980.html | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | trx, that's for the screen, not the proximity | 15:22 |
| alterego | OkropNick: they should work. | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | OkropNick: yes, as I understand it. | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | any SDHC one works | 15:23 |
| OkropNick | thx alterego, SpeedEvil | 15:23 |
| trx | MohammadAG oh, i need the proximity :/ | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: But it's SDXC | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | 32GBs is SDHC afaik | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | trx, MainWindow.cpp, it doesn't need a class on its own | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | err | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | Widget.cpp | 15:24 |
| alterego | Wow, that's the worse spamming I've seen on tmo .. | 15:24 |
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| trx | MohammadAG yep, ty | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, I sugest you study how pgp and kwallet are working. E.G you MUST NOT transmit any PIN pr passphrase over dbus | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~2119 | 16:19 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for maemo where everybody and his braindead dog can gain root priv, there's simply NO way to implement such a thing in any semi sane way | 16:20 |
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| alterego | It's not so much about being root though is it. | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter what you do, it won't take me longer than a day to implement a malware that automatically donates repeatedly to my account | 16:21 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Indeed; anything on Maemo has to just be a proxy to PayPal (say)'s "donate" page. | 16:24 |
| alterego | Hrm | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually even then you can place a MITM proxy on N900 easily | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | paypal has no TAN concept | 16:27 |
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| alterego | Yes, I know you're right, but does that mean we shouldn't do this? | 16:27 |
| Venemo | alterego: please comment on this one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=927376#post927376 | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it's immanently vulnerable | 16:27 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, there's no reason you shouldn't do it | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's nothing you can do about paypal, but you'll lose your face in developer guilde if you even support exploiting that paypal vulnerability | 16:28 |
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| MohammadAG | just have proper checks in place | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't get it, do you, eventually? | 16:29 |
| Venemo | achipa: ping | 16:30 |
| achipa | Venemo: pong | 16:30 |
| alterego | Venemo: done | 16:30 |
| Venemo | achipa: since you are an insider, could you please say something about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=927376#post927376 ? | 16:30 |
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| Sicelo | ~flashing | 16:32 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:32 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, i understand the frustration, but its got to be a difficult thing | 16:34 |
| Venemo | lcuk: no, it isn't | 16:34 |
| Venemo | lcuk: the SDK release a year ago could do this "difficult thing", until they broke it. | 16:34 |
| yacc | Any idea if there is a dbus-scripts package for Ubuntu/Debian, ... | 16:34 |
| Venemo | lcuk: also it doesn't do this for any other targets. eg. it doesn't package my desktop apps when I run them. so. yes, it is very annoying | 16:35 |
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| achipa | Venemo: there is a gap between things happening, so that you get these cases that are obviously non-optimal | 16:35 |
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| achipa | now, if we waited for the various teams to resolve this, sync, etc, that would be the final release | 16:36 |
| Venemo | achipa: that I can understand if this was some new feature request. however this time they simply broke something that worked very well. | 16:36 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, qt-creator must also know where to move not just the binary, but all support files too? | 16:36 |
| lcuk | ie it might work for copying just binary sometimes | 16:36 |
| Venemo | the "deploy" and "run" options are separate in every other IDE. | 16:37 |
| achipa | the thing is the whole build-deploy-publish is getting changed, and publish is a piece of a missing puzzle ATM | 16:37 |
| Venemo | Visual Studio solves this difficult thing by being able to specify the necessary support files. | 16:37 |
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| Venemo | achipa: if you have the necessary privileges on the Qt JIRA, could you please at least reopen the bug I linked? | 16:38 |
| lcuk | Venemo, what if one of the support files requires registering rather than just copying? | 16:38 |
| lcuk | like needing to update sudoers or something | 16:38 |
| Venemo | lcuk: the config dialog in VS has an option for that too | 16:38 |
| achipa | Venemo: I have no superpowers on Qt bugs, so I can only +1 you | 16:38 |
| Venemo | achipa: can you contact someone who has? | 16:39 |
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| achipa | I'm not sure it would make things better or worse :) in terms that I already have a few bugs on the topic that were declared invalid/out of scope | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | <lcuk> ie it might work for copying just binary sometimes | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | there was an option to copy files over | 16:40 |
| Venemo | achipa: I also don't get why there is a separate Qt Creator version for MeeGo. this is a bloody mess | 16:40 |
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| achipa | but rest assured the topic is not closed and (surprise) a good DX something we actually push for :) | 16:40 |
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| achipa | Venemo: that's mostly timing, as long as there are no devices out there, it would only be dead weight for the integration process | 16:41 |
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| achipa | (i.e. it would only slow down the 'live' symbian/maemo releases) | 16:41 |
| Venemo | achipa: yes, you pushed for good DX for a year now, but it actually didn't get any better. :( | 16:41 |
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| Venemo | achipa: sorry, I know it is not you personally who is responsible for this | 16:42 |
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| Venemo | achipa: so sorry for the bashing | 16:42 |
| Venemo | achipa: but there is noone around with whom we can talk about this | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, devices will be out eventually | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | ... or not? :) | 16:42 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: the N900 is already out, so what? | 16:42 |
| achipa | np, I understand it can get frustrating occasionally (you should hear my assorted anyazas ;) ) | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo devices | 16:43 |
| Venemo | achipa: :) | 16:43 |
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| Venemo | achipa: can you point me to the last nightly release which didn't have this feature broken yet? | 16:43 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: yeah, but that's wasn't the point of this release | 16:43 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: N900 is a MeeGo device if you install MeeGo | 16:44 |
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| ZogG | http://i.imgur.com/STT6c.jpg - jpg is shitty and xfce4 is standart but i like that wallpapper | 16:44 |
| ZogG | paper* | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, it's not a consumer's MeeGo device | 16:44 |
| ZogG | no full support | 16:44 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: not yet | 16:45 |
| achipa | Venemo: no idea really, sorry :( | 16:45 |
| ZogG | even when maemo is official n900 Os it's not supported by Nokia as it should be, you expect them to support meego on it? | 16:45 |
| Venemo | who cares about nokia support? | 16:45 |
| achipa | Venemo: though I do plan on 'silently' releasing my build on gitorious | 16:45 |
| Venemo | achipa: what are the highlights of your build? :) | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | it's no longer silent :P | 16:45 |
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| achipa | which has that and a few 'developer confusing' options | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | that? | 16:46 |
| Venemo | ZogG, MohammadAG: I do not expect any more support for MeeGo than what I get on IRC for Fedora. which I can get on #meego | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't mention support | 16:46 |
| achipa | deploy wo. dpkg, create deb without device, that sort of stuff | 16:46 |
| pupnik_ | understand the planet..... http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1181/chalmers_johnson_empire_of_bases | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo isn't usable unless you have a second device | 16:47 |
| ZogG | Venemo do not compare desctop os and embedded os | 16:47 |
| Venemo | achipa: eagerly awaiting it | 16:47 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: yet. | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 16:47 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: not much is missing afaics | 16:47 |
| achipa | also, 'undeploy' package, insta-flash device | 16:47 |
| ZogG | if meegos Ui would be multitouch based? | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, comparing Maemo 5 to MeeGo, a lot is missing | 16:48 |
| ZogG | in n900 you even need driver for battery | 16:48 |
| achipa | (all stuff that you can do from console, but is annoying) | 16:48 |
| ZogG | as well as any hardware bugs support of closed drivers | 16:48 |
| Venemo | ZogG: it'll support both multitouch and single-touch. and yes, BME is there along with other stuff. | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | on a laptop you need a driver for the battery | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | that's what ACPI's for | 16:48 |
| Venemo | nah, this is indeed OT here :) | 16:48 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG not really driver but managment | 16:48 |
| Venemo | achipa: do you have an ETA on your version? :P | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | bme isn't a driver | 16:49 |
| Venemo | no it isn't. point is: it's working | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | it's userspace | 16:49 |
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| ZogG | anyway i think support on embedded device is mucgh different | 16:51 |
| ZogG | as you have to adopt OS for device | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | point is, it's not working | 16:51 |
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| ZogG | on other hand on desctop you just config hardware for OS | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're just happy to not usually notice that | 16:51 |
| ZogG | and hadrware support is not that OS releated but linux releated | 16:51 |
| * RST38h yawns | 16:51 | |
| * ZogG slaps RST38h | 16:52 | |
| RST38h | Another terrorist act, an airport, 31+130 | 16:52 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: hm, Sts said it's working. | 16:52 |
| ZogG | RST38h second one? | 16:52 |
| ZogG | WTF | 16:53 |
| ZogG | one side it's bad | 16:53 |
| achipa | Venemo: depends on the release cycle of the 'real' sdk, as I obviously can't publish stuff that is not public yet | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | he's also just happy to not usually notice that | 16:53 |
| ZogG | on other as it happens all over the world no world would support extreme organizations and countries | 16:53 |
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| Venemo | achipa: I thought it is being developed openly | 16:53 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: mhm :( | 16:54 |
| RST38h | ZogG: First one today | 16:54 |
| achipa | Venemo: qtcreator is, but I touch on stuff that is on the danger list (as said, flasher, the rootstrap, etc) | 16:54 |
| ZogG | RST38h i heard about first one 20 people got hurt as far as news sites saying | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: mhm! | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bme has severe bugs, that just don't blow up into your face immediately and every day | 16:55 |
| RST38h | ZogG: It is up to 31+130 now | 16:56 |
| RST38h | ZogG: + many hundreds more from rectal probing at the airport entrance in the upcoming months. | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | This is how we let them win. | 16:57 |
| Venemo | achipa: I would suffice with the fix for this bug. | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | It's not about the bombings, it's about the economic damage we do to ourselves afterwards. | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | and honestly when stskeeps says "it works" then, well... He doesn't even have the *parameters* to evaluate and verify bme against | 16:58 |
| Venemo | lol | 16:58 |
| ZogG | Venemo i had bug that when i connect device to wall charger and it's empty it stops charging after 3 sec just notifing "charging is stopped" | 16:58 |
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| * MohammadAG points to Stskeeps's uboot-pr13, the source of which contains binaries | 16:58 | |
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| * MohammadAG points to his uboot-power, a proper package with proper sources | 16:59 | |
| ZogG | GAN900 no, it's about politics and extremests | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | so all anybody can say is "it seems to do roughly what I expected, in usual non-niche conditions" | 16:59 |
| frals | hey MohammadAG | 16:59 |
| frals | you live in israel right? | 16:59 |
| frals | or was that someone else | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 16:59 |
| ZogG | GAN900 if someone doesn't use any rules - the proper way is do the same! | 16:59 |
| frals | whereabouts? | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | there's ZogG too | 16:59 |
| ZogG | Matan | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | Jerusalem | 16:59 |
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| ZogG | i'm Tel-Aviv | 17:00 |
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| MohammadAG | though I'm leaving on the 27th to Jordan, holidays | 17:00 |
| ZogG | frals, you comming here? | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, lucky | 17:00 |
| GAN900 | ZogG, it's economic warfare at its core. | 17:00 |
| frals | might be | 17:00 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Go tell that to the head of DHS :) | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | cool! | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | send me an MMS if you do | 17:00 |
| frals | ^_^ | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:00 |
| ZogG | frals for how long. my appartment is cold and shitty but i can provide place to stay for a wekk i think with no problem | 17:01 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Especially considering that his career depends on "implementing effective measures against terorrist threats to our homeland" :) | 17:01 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, exactly the problem. | 17:01 |
| lcuk | RFC 9876: trout_over_mms | 17:01 |
| frals | ZogG: thanks but i dunno where im going yet :D | 17:01 |
| GAN900 | Everytime we add new security measures and cavity search another foreigner, the terrorists win. | 17:01 |
| ZogG | GAN900 you are right, when you talk about people behind it, that don't really care about fanatic stuff | 17:01 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It will rot at the MMSC, AFAIK =) | 17:01 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, keep in mind, it's warmer than Finland :p | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | frals, what's the timeframe? | 17:02 |
| ZogG | frals i'm in tel-aviv(near actually) as well i may get discount in hotel as my friend work there | 17:02 |
| frals | checking the list of vaccins that i should get before going :p | 17:02 |
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| frals | MohammadAG: soon(tm) ;) | 17:02 |
| ZogG | frals anyway you can count on me if you need help and beer talk if you want =) | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | lmfao | 17:03 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG is useless he doesn't drink =) | 17:03 |
| frals | ill let you guys know when i know more | 17:03 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: you don't drink? | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | may I ask about the purpose of the visit? :P | 17:03 |
| frals | hes not allowed! | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | I mean, Finland > Israel | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | At least you guys have snow | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, not officially - oops | 17:04 |
| frals | its not for pleasure thats for sure :D | 17:04 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: yes, and you have sunshine which I would pick over snow :P | 17:04 |
| frals | no offense towards israel but i like where i am ;) | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | I'd pick snow over this weather anytime | 17:04 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, no offense taken, it sucks anyway | 17:04 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: what's the weather? | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | xP | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, I haven't seen rain in quite a while | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | it's 15 or something outside | 17:05 |
| lcuk | come to manchester | 17:05 |
| ZogG | it's cold in morning and hot at day =( | 17:05 |
| * lcuk emails you a bucket load of rain | 17:05 | |
| Venemo | mhmm | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | I was in germany in 09 (or was it 08...) | 17:05 |
| ZogG | lcuk, i like your accent | 17:05 |
| Venemo | well that's still better than the -1°C here | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | it lacked some wifi | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | but it was awesome | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 17:05 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, germany sucks | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | -1C is awesome | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | donkey balls | 17:06 |
| merlin1991 | if you wan't to go to a german speaking country austria is the way to go ;) | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, see? as much as it sucks it beats israel | 17:06 |
| * RST38h doesn't drink either, it is the path of the weak ones =) | 17:06 | |
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| merlin1991 | RST38h, it's also friday nights path | 17:06 |
| * GAN900 seems to only drink at Maemo events. | 17:06 | |
| ZogG | RST38h you think you are better than me? =) | 17:06 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Of course! =) | 17:06 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, at least it's not depressing. | 17:07 |
| * ZogG drinks everytime there si beer | 17:07 | |
| ZogG | RST38h =( | 17:07 |
| RST38h | Any place gets depressing after a while, I guess | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | take tmo as an example... | 17:07 |
| RST38h | That is why we have got terrorist acts! To liven things up! | 17:07 |
| * MohammadAG hides | 17:07 | |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, ha, true that | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: wait wait! where you're from? and you tel me you dont drink? | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | he's russian | 17:08 |
| RST38h | Doc: That is part of the reason why I do not. | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | and he doesn't believe in Vodka | 17:08 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: hehe | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought you get arrested in Russia if you refuse to drink :-P | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | In soviet russia, drinks refuse you | 17:08 |
| RST38h | Doc: Ironically, there is very few things for which you get arrested in Russia | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 17:09 |
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| ZogG | Openfree has quit (Remote host closed the connection) // no fuiture for opensource | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess the fact that DHL doesn't deliver to private addr is somewhat related :-P | 17:10 |
| ZogG | they are cutting us out | 17:10 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, the day open source dies is the day freenode gives you a Connection Refused | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ooh, now I get it. Of course the only thing you get arrested for in Russia is to have too little or way to much money | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | too much* | 17:12 |
| RST38h | Doc: close but not exactly | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | way too much has to come hand in hand with badmouthing Putin to get dangerous | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Doc: You generally get arrested for NOT SHARING the wealth you have got with intertested parties :) | 17:13 |
| ZogG | gonna take a snap | 17:13 |
| RST38h | And yes, badmouthing the government in certian public spaces has never been healthy | 17:13 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: so you are saying that if i don't share wealth ( like games, music and other copyrighted content ) i will go to prison? | 17:13 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: that is not wealth, that is rubbish | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: in Russia even 1kg of caviar is considered rubish | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: real wealth in Russia is starting at 10^9 | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet there's a saying in Russia upper class that goes like "if you can survive the money you own getting thrown on you, then you're a poor man" | 17:18 |
| cos^ | umm.. how do i reset my password on maemo.org? | 17:19 |
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| cos^ | it would be too easy if they had a reset link on the login page | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | they don't? | 17:19 |
| cos^ | no | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | which m.o? tmo, gmo, bmo? | 17:20 |
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| cos^ | http://maemo.org/ | 17:22 |
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| cos^ | if you write wrong u/p in top right corner fields, it just directs to login page with no reset link | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://garage.maemo.org/account/login.php -> "forgot your password" | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 17:24 |
| ShadowJK | roflmao, Nokia Care people are awesome. I asked how to return the device for repair through the seller, when the seller is Nokia (they have like no details on their website for that). The reply was essentially "Yes you can" (my summary) :P | 17:24 |
| ShadowJK | gee, I was hoping for an envelope or something | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, how do I detect that one has switched window | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | i.e I moved to a stacked window | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yeah, nice | 17:25 |
| cos^ | DocScrutinizer: thanks.. that worked | 17:25 |
| ShadowJK | Not that it matters, since I already /paid/ a local Nokia retailer to ship my device to Nokia | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeew | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you should have ultimatively asked Nokia for a RMA :-D | 17:27 |
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| ShadowJK | It's funny, when that retailer was a Nokia Care point / service center (they had L1/L2 afaik), I got no receipt or anything | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | manufs can't answer "yes you can" to a RMA request | 17:29 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: It is no longer funny, nor is it unusual =( | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | this time when they're no longer a care point they actually behaved alot more professionally and gave me a receipt | 17:29 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Got Nokia 5228 before NY. Worked for 2 days, then powered down and never came back up. | 17:29 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Fixing it has been fun too, with the Nokia Care authorized dealer not being able to find the order by name (they kept entering First+Last names, refused to search by partila name) | 17:30 |
| RST38h | partial | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | I see alot of people with that 5228 thing, or things that look just like it | 17:31 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, if you need a chip source of N900 styluses or 5800 wristbands, they have got those =) | 17:31 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Coworker's GalaxyS has done a similar thing right out of the box though: it powered up but refused to find the network. So, Nokia is not alone | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, obviously situation in China is getting worse, regarding QA | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | Like BBC's tech journalist says in his podcasts, "It's not what gadgets do when they work that sets one manufacturer apart from another, it's what happens when they break" | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | He was actually referring to how replacing his android device was something like 3 taps to restore his data, which had been automatically backed up in the cloud up until the point first device broke, but whatever :P | 17:34 |
| RST38h | Doc: Or they have cut costs a little bit too much | 17:34 |
| GAN900 | ShadowJK, handing your life over to google is fun. | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | yeah that too :) | 17:34 |
| RST38h | BTW, 5800's display has not survived a winter. The repairman said this happens a lot | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, who was it who claimed N900 didn't go down in price? I yesterday found new N900 at Amazon for roughly 1/2 of what I paid | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | It's going down on Nokia store now too | 17:35 |
| GAN900 | It's nearly discontinued. | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah *SOB* | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | I'm kinda sad I missed Booklet 3g's end of sale. Apparently it was half price for a few days :-( | 17:36 |
| GAN900 | Oh yeah? | 17:36 |
| * nze` is wondering what meego actually gets developed for.. | 17:36 | |
| GAN900 | Kinda a nice piece of hardware. | 17:37 |
| GAN900 | nze`, nothing. | 17:37 |
| GAN900 | It's all a smokescreen for Nokia's furious efforts to port Android to, and relaunch, the N97. | 17:37 |
| chx | Wait, who has n900 styluses? | 17:37 |
| nze` | GAN900: like, Because They Can :) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought it's called remove680? | 17:37 |
| ShadowJK | GAN900, it's memory starved | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | chx: "a lot" of shops | 17:38 |
| ShadowJK | for 700 you'd want more than 1gig of ram... :/ | 17:38 |
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| chx | a lot better than the N810, i see | 17:38 |
| chx | getting a stylus for taht was a major PITA | 17:38 |
| GAN900 | ShadowJK, not user-upgradable? | 17:38 |
| ShadowJK | No, you need soldering iron | 17:38 |
| GAN900 | Ah, too bad. | 17:39 |
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| * alterego does a few bug fixes | 17:41 | |
| alterego | finally got rid of that annoying bug where the fullscreen button is positioned in the wrong place at startup. | 17:45 |
| * lardman is curious about the Nokia DAB headphones with a USB plug | 17:46 | |
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| pupnik_ | "if you don't know how to do what you want to do, then you don't know what you want to do" | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | lol, rapidshare claims that SSL uses so much more CPU power, that they have to bill you 2x the bandwidth usage for a given file. | 17:50 |
| chx | didnt a Google engineer blogged that SSL no more eats CPU , these days? | 17:51 |
| chx | almost | 17:51 |
| crashanddie | he did | 17:51 |
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| crashanddie | We're currently switching from SIP to SIPS on the server, all HTTP to HTTPS, and PKI encryption for our in-house protocol, and we're seeing a .4% increase of CPU load due to SIPS, 1.2% increase due to HTTPS, and 4% increase due to PKI-signing our own protocol. | 17:52 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect this is just a sign that everything else has grown less efficient ;D | 17:54 |
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| crashanddie | or simply that CPUs have reached cruising speeds that make SSL trivial? | 17:56 |
| ShadowJK | hm, you have a point there sort of. SSL all fits in cache, but massively dynamic websites don't. | 17:57 |
| ShadowJK | They probably don't fit in ram these days | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | SSL fits in cache? What do you mean by that? | 17:58 |
| SpeedEvil | The SSL algorithm | 17:59 |
| marmoute | width CPU word, SIMD, and higher level micro instruction help too | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O 4% for SIPS ? WTF! | 17:59 |
| ShadowJK | I mean that php/java/ruby/whatever + mysqldb is much bigger than a CPU's cache, so to actually generate the webpage takes huge amounts of time, whereas passing the tiny result through SSL fits inside CPU cache? | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | what are you doing over SIPS? share files? | 18:00 |
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| marmoute | DocScrutinizer: 0.4% | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess that the average SIP VoIP call has 0.1% SIP(S) and 99.9% RTP | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~trout crashanddie | 18:03 |
| * infobot slaps crashanddie around a bit with a large trout! | 18:03 | |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, definitely | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, though, we have servers that handle pure SIP, and lay off the RTP/conferencing to other servers | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | fair enough | 18:04 |
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| MohammadAG | I never asked | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | and those servers handle amounts such as 8-20k connections simultaneously, to give an idea of the accuracy of the .4% | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wasn't thinking server, sorry | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG | is the SIP company you work for for consumers? | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, no, businesses only | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 18:05 |
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| crashanddie | well, we'd do a consumer if you need 2000 people calling you on the same phone line :P | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | you do consumers? | 18:06 |
| alterego | God, my gf is gonna be mad, lost an ebay bid. | 18:06 |
| * MohammadAG giggles | 18:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, so you at very least could get me my lifetime free vanity number ;-D | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 00700-DocScrutinizer | 18:08 |
| * crashanddie cackles as he sees the overclocking fatality :D | 18:08 | |
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| crashanddie | I'm just a dev, I don't control actual production config | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | the 'sad' thing is Nokia will repair it | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: so maybe we will see instructions of OC gurus eventually how to kill the device 2 weeks prior to warranty expire date, to get a fresh one :-o | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even a MyNewN900 app | 18:13 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsckng OC idiots | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, better they kill their OC'd devices with MyNewN900 than to sell them to me. I feel no sorry for Nokia, as they never bothered to shout "NO OC!!" in 280pt | 18:16 |
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| ShadowJK | didn't one of them do that at a maemo summit? | 18:16 |
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| alterego | There were a few Nokia guys saying OC'ing is bad. | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | Dunno how big 72pt becomes once you use a projector to put it on a whiteboard :P | 18:17 |
| alterego | iirc | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | he not shouted, he gave an advice for devels | 18:17 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:17 |
| alterego | Yeah, suppose you're right. | 18:17 |
| alterego | There should just be a death switch inside the N900 that kills the device if OC'd. | 18:17 |
| lardman | Yes, Igor quite clearly said to not leave the device at its top clock speed | 18:17 |
| alterego | Users would pay attention to that. | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: When I was consulting Nokia on that project, I always recommended they not only silently collect serial # of OC'd devices via HAM and repo-server plugin, but also make HAM pop up that 72pt "YOU OC'd, WARRANTY VOID" notifier. No idea why they scratched that | 18:20 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:21 |
| alterego | Too much effort obviously .. | 18:21 |
| alterego | Would they have paid the dev that implemented it more than the (currently 1 "confirmed") device that is being replaced. | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, the OC detection is implemented in HAM - guess why it's so incredibly lame | 18:22 |
| alterego | Well, there's fapman too. | 18:22 |
| alterego | It's not hard to get around a ham | 18:22 |
| alterego | s/a// | 18:23 |
| infobot | alterego meant: It's not hrd to get around a ham | 18:23 |
| alterego | nyurgh | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Inever get around a ham, as soon as there's any in vicinity ;-) | 18:24 |
| alterego | :) | 18:24 |
| * alterego considers waypoint ETA calculation | 18:24 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | to next ham? | 18:24 |
| alterego | Yes | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | cooool | 18:24 |
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| lardman | I hope you're using the great circle path around the first ham | 18:25 |
| lardman | assuming it's a big one | 18:25 |
| alterego | :) | 18:25 |
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| * alterego tries to remember how to calculate the point of intersection between two lines | 18:28 | |
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| alterego | I do like geometry. | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: you're not serious, are you? | 18:29 |
| alterego | About what? | 18:29 |
| alterego | Liking geometry or trying to remember something? | 18:29 |
| jacekowski | alterego: simple | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | about how to calculate x,y for (x0a,y0a)+(xa,xa*gradient-a)=(x0b,y0b)+(xb,xb*gradient-b) | 18:31 |
| alterego | Not even sure it's the best way to do what I'm doing. | 18:31 |
| jacekowski | alterego: y=x; y=x/2 | 18:32 |
| jacekowski | for example | 18:32 |
| alterego | I've got my viewport (trackview, map, whatever) and I want an edge indicator when the destination waypoint is outside of that viewport. | 18:32 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 18:32 |
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| jacekowski | no | 18:32 |
| jacekowski | i don't remember that as well | 18:32 |
| alterego | So I need the point where the hyp. crosses the top line. | 18:33 |
| alterego | Well, the vector toward the destination waypoint. | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (0,0)+(x,x)=(?,?)+(x,x*0.5) | 18:34 |
| lardman | how many dimensions is this? | 18:34 |
| lardman | 2 only? | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: your values missing origin of second line | 18:34 |
| alterego | Yes | 18:34 |
| alterego | lardman: yes, just 2D | 18:34 |
| lardman | so yeah intersection is where the two are equal | 18:35 |
| lardman | but how are your lines represented | 18:35 |
| lardman | ? | 18:35 |
| alterego | there are no lines :P | 18:35 |
| alterego | They're hypothetical lines. | 18:35 |
| alterego | I have the coordinate of the target waypoint. | 18:35 |
| alterego | I have my origin which is the center of the viewport. | 18:36 |
| lardman | my interest is more for 3D viewport wanting to know whether to render icons if they would be visible | 18:36 |
| alterego | And I know the viewports dimensions. | 18:36 |
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| lardman | can't you just subtract the x and y parts of the two coordinates from one another and see if they are > 1/2 the width/height of the viewport? | 18:37 |
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| alterego | No | 18:37 |
| alterego | :) | 18:37 |
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| lardman | why not? | 18:38 |
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| alterego | I need the position to plot my marker at the edge of the viewport. | 18:38 |
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| lardman | oh I see | 18:38 |
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| alterego | tbh, I also need to detect if the waypoint is outside of the viewport. | 18:39 |
| alterego | I think I might change things slightly so I'm working with a square viewport. | 18:39 |
| alterego | wtf am I talking about, that's not going to work either. | 18:40 |
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| alterego | Right, figured it out :) | 18:43 |
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| lardman | generate equations of line between two points, substitute in the values for the lines at the perimeter, see whether the resultant is larger than the view window? | 18:47 |
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| alterego | No, that's not very efficient :P | 18:49 |
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| lardman | well it's not too bad, as the edges only need a single value for each | 18:50 |
| lardman | though you should check that the distance in x and y directions is > edge distance before doing the intersection check | 18:50 |
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| alterego | Yes | 18:51 |
| pillar | what's the status on SSU repo? is it up yet? | 18:52 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: ping | 19:06 |
| crashanddie | pong | 19:06 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: did you ever use N900 with Freeswitch? | 19:06 |
| crashanddie | the one you provided me with? | 19:06 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: dont remember whether you actually tested against my server or not :) | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 19:07 |
| trumee | crashanddie: but had something to show you | 19:07 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388#c39 | 19:08 |
| povbot | Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 19:08 |
| trumee | crashanddie: listen to the wav file in the comment. N900 skips all the digit prompts of Freeswitch | 19:09 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: it is a call to the Voicemail in Freeswitch | 19:10 |
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| crashanddie | interesting | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | that seems to be a bug in the RTP handling | 19:11 |
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| crashanddie | we had the same bug in our SIP server | 19:12 |
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| crashanddie | well, I know of a few bug instances where this can happen | 19:12 |
| trumee | crashanddie: you think it is a fault in FS and not an issue with N900? | 19:12 |
| crashanddie | A/ server is sending RTP packets with poorly incremented identifiers | 19:12 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: empathy/twinkle/ekiga handle the voicemail fine. | 19:13 |
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| crashanddie | B/ server is sending RTP packets too quickly after first wav stopped, the N900 receives the RTP too quickly, and drops it | 19:13 |
| crashanddie | normally, the client should be able to handle this scenario, as the RTP sequencing is quite clear, but it requires a bit of buffering algorithms | 19:13 |
| trumee | crashanddie: so is there any workaround in the server side or client side? | 19:14 |
| Juozapas | where n900 writes dns servers ? | 19:14 |
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| crashanddie | well, it's hard to analyse unless you have proper logging about what's happening | 19:15 |
| crashanddie | we should try to know whether the N900 is dropping packets or not | 19:15 |
| trumee | crashanddie: i see. so a tcpdump on N900 is required? | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | TCPdump won't help | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | we need to see the internal handling | 19:16 |
| trumee | crashanddie: internal handling of the N900 gstreamer client? | 19:17 |
| crashanddie | for example, yeah | 19:17 |
| trumee | crashanddie: is that something you could look into? | 19:18 |
| crashanddie | basically, add debug information to know if it drops packets, or why it doesn't play them | 19:18 |
| crashanddie | whether it's sequential issues, or timing issues | 19:18 |
| crashanddie | though, it's weird that it's only on those digits | 19:18 |
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| crashanddie | can you check if there is any codec switching during the communication/ | 19:18 |
| crashanddie | ? | 19:18 |
| trumee | crashanddie: i dropped the move from asterisk to freeswitch due to this issue | 19:19 |
| crashanddie | It could be that freeswitch is switching to other encodings for those digits, encodings the N900 can't handle | 19:19 |
| trumee | crashanddie: there was nothing obvious in the freeswitch log. | 19:19 |
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| crashanddie | and the source .wav files? | 19:19 |
| crashanddie | or .gsm, or whatever you have | 19:20 |
| crashanddie | are they all the same? | 19:20 |
| trumee | crashanddie: hmm. let me check that. | 19:20 |
| crashanddie | especially between "Press" and "digit" | 19:20 |
| trumee | crashanddie: 0.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, mono 16000 Hz | 19:21 |
| trumee | crashanddie: vm-press.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, mono 16000 Hz | 19:21 |
| trumee | crashanddie: they look the same | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | yup# | 19:22 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: what pbx server are you running at your end? | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | our own | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | you could use VoipMonitor or PJSIP to try and see what's what | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | VoipMonitor needs to run on the same host as the freeswitch server, PJSIP can be run as any client | 19:23 |
| trumee | crashanddie: i do have a pjsipclient running remotely as well. | 19:23 |
| crashanddie | you don't notice any weird SIP signals flying through? | 19:23 |
| trumee | crashanddie: i use it to test my N900. it basically reads out an ebook | 19:23 |
| trumee | crashanddie: What state of N900 PSM do you use with pbx? | 19:24 |
| crashanddie | I don't use my N900 for SIP | 19:24 |
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| OkropNick | anyone knows how to make use of notification led for missed calendar events? | 19:24 |
| trumee | crashanddie: crap. | 19:25 |
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| crashanddie | trumee, but in my own tests, PSM didn't change much to the poor quality of SIP calls | 19:26 |
| trumee | crashanddie: right. so you have experienced poor SIP calls on N900? | 19:26 |
| crashanddie | oh yeah, definitely | 19:26 |
| crashanddie | it's one of the reasons I'm using a crappy softphone through wine on my laptop rather than the n900 | 19:27 |
| trumee | crashanddie: ah. i hope Collabora guys are listening to this. | 19:27 |
| * crashanddie pokes lcuk ^ | 19:27 | |
| nidO | lolz, cnn website has a survey on it's homepage asking which android tablet offers more "possibilities on the go" | 19:28 |
| nidO | then lists dell, lg, samsung, apple, and blackberry | 19:28 |
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| crashanddie | nidO, I'd be willing to bet that people who go to cnn.com think "android" means smartphone. | 19:29 |
| trumee | crashanddie: Olivier Crete (ocrete) didnt succeed in resolving this. | 19:29 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: seems, N900 wasnt tested very well with sip. | 19:30 |
| nidO | crashanddie: sadly, seeing apple with 22% of the votes and blackberry with 11%, i'd be inclined to agree | 19:30 |
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| nidO | especially as 30% also chose "dont know" | 19:30 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: did you get your dlink router? | 19:33 |
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| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 19:34 |
| pupnik | shalom | 19:35 |
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| RST38h | aleihem. | 19:37 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, trumee - so whats new on the testing front? have you guys come up with verifiable test cases to show any issue? | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | place a call, lol :D | 19:39 |
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| trumee | lcuk: ocrete has taken tcpdumps from my system | 19:39 |
| trumee | lcuk: and i uploaded some files on bug 10388 too | 19:39 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 19:39 |
| RST38h | this bug has been there for a while | 19:40 |
| RST38h | may have something to do with the clock skew,although I amnot an expert | 19:40 |
| trumee | lcuk: but what is Collabora doing about that bug, i dont know. Nobody has bothered to let us know | 19:41 |
| trumee | RST38h: yes, that bug has been sitting there for a while. | 19:41 |
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| trumee | lcuk, crashanddie, RST38h: people have been randomly trying all permutations of OCing, modifying pulse and what not at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54039 | 19:43 |
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| crashanddie | How often can packets be read/sent with PSM? | 19:44 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: PSM is supposed to turn off when sip call starts? | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | if it's any less than 50Hz, then you're going to have bad quality through SIP calls | 19:45 |
| trumee | crashanddie: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10050 | 19:47 |
| povbot | Bug 10050: high latency with SIP client | 19:47 |
| lcuk | trumee, what is your talk. username? | 19:47 |
| trumee | lcuk: rajil.s | 19:48 |
| lcuk | ok, so on the 15th of this month you posted about having some new files | 19:48 |
| lcuk | did you report back to Olivier about them? | 19:48 |
| lcuk | or on the bug yourself? | 19:48 |
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| lcuk | ie, perhaps the onus is now on you since he offered up some components to try | 19:49 |
| trumee | lcuk: i had those files since last october | 19:49 |
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| trumee | lcuk: and i have been regularly hanging out in #farsight | 19:49 |
| lcuk | .nod. | 19:50 |
| trumee | lcuk: last discussion i had with ocrete was two weeks ago | 19:50 |
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| lcuk | according to the bug, last comment was december | 19:51 |
| trumee | lcuk: yes, i posted that last comment | 19:51 |
| trumee | lcuk: but nobody from Nokia (Mikhail) or Collabora has updated that bug report | 19:51 |
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| trumee | lcuk: i dont know who could help now. | 19:52 |
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| trumee | lcuk: The usual answer i get from ocrete (although he has been quite helpful) is that it works in 'empathy' so should work in N900 | 19:53 |
| trumee | lcuk: he has carried out testing against my own server with N900 and the results have been quite bad | 19:54 |
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| trumee | lcuk: is there anything you could do to help? | 19:56 |
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| nze` | i've just booted my n900 into meego 1.1 on my microsd card. how can i access the maemo rootfs? | 20:00 |
| crashanddie | nze`, #meego | 20:01 |
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| nze` | what's the device the rootfs resides on called in maemo? | 20:03 |
| johnsq | Hi | 20:03 |
| lcuk | trumee, I don't see specifically what I can do, I am not on the SIP team. I do recall from previous conversations that some people happily reported things working well and people on different servers had different experiences | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/mtd5 | 20:06 |
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| trumee | lcuk: perhaps you can nudge the people in the SIP team. Is there anybody other than ocrete who will be responsible to rectify this bug? | 20:08 |
| lcuk | bug reports are the best place to contact related maintainers. | 20:09 |
| lcuk | since your conversation seems to be out of band | 20:09 |
| lcuk | its not quite the easiest thing to do | 20:09 |
| trumee | lcuk: "since your conversation seems to be out of band" ? | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | trumee, you said you contacted him a couple of weeks ago - but I see nothing on the bug about it | 20:10 |
| lcuk | what was said, what was tried etc | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | or was that middle of december | 20:11 |
| trumee | lcuk: yes | 20:12 |
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| trumee | lcuk: do you think it will be a good idea to post those binaries on the bugzilla? | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | trumee, I don't know what they are for, so no. | 20:15 |
| lcuk | i have to go anyway, raise it on the bug report where all the related parties see it. | 20:15 |
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| trumee | lcuk: raise what? | 20:16 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: dead end! | 20:21 |
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| * MohammadAG looks for a lyrics C++ API | 20:23 | |
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| MikaT | MohammadAG: I tried to find a lyrics library once too, and found nothing for C at the time. I needed something for N810. | 20:33 |
| MikaT | MohammadAG: So I made this: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/liblyrics/ but it does not work anymore and not maintained, unfortunately. | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 20:34 |
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| MikaT | I was planning things for N900, but TuneWiki applet was good enough for me, so liblyrics was kind of left behind. | 20:35 |
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| GAN900 | Eldar thread on Talk is gold. | 20:38 |
| alterego | Have you weighed in yet? | 20:40 |
| alterego | I'm staying well away from that one :D | 20:40 |
| GAN900 | alterego, not worth it | 20:40 |
| alterego | :) | 20:40 |
| GAN900 | I will when a thread is mostly rational | 20:41 |
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| alterego | On tmo? :) | 20:41 |
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| GAN900 | But when it's filled with insanity, well. | 20:41 |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | = NEVAR | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | damn, forgot the !!!11! | 20:41 |
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| Pauly | hi | 21:03 |
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| Sicelo | Pauly: hi | 21:17 |
| Pauly | hey | 21:17 |
| Pauly | nokia sans font is awesome looking | 21:18 |
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| Sicelo | Pauly: I agree :) | 21:19 |
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| Pauly | i deleted most of other fonts in the /usr/share/fonts dir and now all the text in micro b is nokia sans! | 21:21 |
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| Sicelo | Pauly: what happens if you open pages with accented characters and other special unicode characters? | 21:27 |
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| MohammadAG | shit happens | 21:29 |
| Pauly | idk | 21:30 |
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| Sicelo | :P | 21:30 |
| Pauly | its okay this looks to pretty | 21:30 |
| Pauly | any test page | 21:30 |
| Pauly | ? | 21:30 |
| mece | post screenshot | 21:31 |
| Pauly | what page should i take screenshot of? | 21:33 |
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| Sicelo | Pauly: I think mece meant screenshot of any page you have. As for me, atm I can't think of any page for you to test | 21:38 |
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| Pauly | http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2887/screenshot2011012414354.png | 21:38 |
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| kerio | the fuck is that | 21:39 |
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| Sicelo | it is truly nice Pauly :) | 21:40 |
| kerio | are you really using a web client for irc on your n900? D: | 21:40 |
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| RST38h | "...At his peak in 1990, the toad controlled more than $10bn in financial instruments, making its owner the worlds largest individual stock investor..." | 21:41 |
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| mece | RST38h, good to know... | 21:41 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | did anyone ever find a way to unchoke the device when a call comes in? | 21:44 |
| TheJ | i OC:d.. helped me. | 21:45 |
| TheJ | atleast the choke is less than before | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: all glory to the hypnotoad | 21:56 |
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| RST38h | Doc: yes, it was surely getting around in the booming Japan | 22:00 |
| pupnik | i have a good good toad app | 22:00 |
| pupnik | almost working | 22:00 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: will trade for 3 brain slugs, slightly used. | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | r33b.net | 22:01 |
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| pupnik | unfortunately bad loop in the sample playback | 22:03 |
| pupnik | that's really a sound that calls for a soft-synth | 22:03 |
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| pupnik | hola florian ... did you work on fbmenu? | 22:03 |
| florian | re | 22:04 |
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| florian | hi pupnik | 22:05 |
| florian | pupnik: no | 22:05 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 22:05 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, out of popcorn | 22:07 |
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| pupnik | a slightly improved N900 would be just fine, really | 22:08 |
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| piggz | MohammadAG: mmmmm, doritos, preferably with metled cheese and guacamole | 22:10 |
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| MohammadAG | oh nice, another thread | 22:15 |
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| MohammadAG | why don't they take it all to meego.com | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | it's the right place for such things | 22:16 |
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| pupnik | i should send the homestar runner guys a real 486 laptop | 22:19 |
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| Pauly_ | grr | 22:22 |
| Pauly_ | hey why is there so many people in this channel | 22:22 |
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| Pauly_ | but not many is chatting | 22:23 |
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| eichi | hello! are there problems, trying some themes? i dont wont to break desktop only for trying some themes. otherwise i will use the default one | 22:23 |
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| MohammadAG | chem|st, any chance we can get this closed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68880 ? | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | or merged with the other BS | 22:28 |
| pupnik | eichi: do a websearhc for the theme on talk.maemo.org to see if it causes problems | 22:29 |
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| eichi | pupnik: the D-theme themes looks stable on first look | 22:30 |
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| Pauly_ | mohammadag: microb isnt as fast as it should be i think it cause of my router any tips for getting fast connection | 22:52 |
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| ToJa92-ubuntu | hey | 22:55 |
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| benno2 | Hi, any idea whether this func works correctly: osso_hw_set_event_cb(m_ossocontext, &hw_state, onHwEvent, &myvar); basically I would like to read: hw_state->system_inactivity_ind to see if the app got suspended (or display went off) but it gets called only at app startup ( with the field set to 0), after that even after the display goes off, the function does not get called. any idea ? N900 PR1.3 | 22:57 |
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| ToJa92-ubuntu | nvm, apparently it has one | 23:05 |
| MrBawb | ToJa92-ubuntu: it uses dnsmasq's built-in dhcp server | 23:08 |
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| ToJa92-ubuntu | ok. is there any way to view incoming requests to it? (or wlan in general) | 23:11 |
| MrBawb | ToJa92-ubuntu: there's always tcpdump | 23:12 |
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| GAN900 | Teehee http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_meego_tablet_image_and_specs_surface_we_hold_our_breath-news-2248.php | 23:13 |
| MrBawb | you could also start dnsmasq by hand and use --no-daemon --log-dhcp + the other options | 23:13 |
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| pupnik | has anyone in the FOSS community done anything for samsung's bada? | 23:15 |
| pupnik | or with.. | 23:15 |
| ToJa92-ubuntu | MrBawb: thanks | 23:16 |
| RST38h | "It is estimated that the Mongol leader's invasions unintentionally scrubbed almost 700 million tons of carbon from the atmosphere." | 23:17 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: See? It is good for the environment! | 23:17 |
| pupnik | hah | 23:18 |
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| derf | Exterminating humans usually is. | 23:19 |
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| pupnik | now if someone could prove that CO2 were bad for the environment... but that's another topic | 23:19 |
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| GAN900 | Scale, scale, scale | 23:24 |
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| pupnik | "The [Tandy] Model Is radiated so much RFI that many games were designed so that an AM radio next to the computer could be used to provide sounds" baaahahahah | 23:28 |
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| nox- | haha | 23:29 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: pretty usual for that time | 23:32 |
| pupnik | nice tandy model 4 on ebay right now | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | what machine did Linus use to build/test linux on initially? | 23:34 |
| lcuk | and does it still happily work on it? | 23:34 |
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| kerio | i doubt it | 23:35 |
| kerio | probably linux 2.6 is bigger than that computer's HD | 23:35 |
| kerio | let alone the ram | 23:35 |
| OkropNick | does someone know application that allows to put all applications shortcuts to some kind of categories in N900? | 23:35 |
| kasansweat | catorise, but I've never used it | 23:35 |
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| MrBawb | lcuk: elks might work on it | 23:36 |
| lcuk | on what? | 23:36 |
| MrBawb | lcuk: Linus's first machine | 23:37 |
| lcuk | yes, what was it? | 23:37 |
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| kasansweat | Has anyone gotten AnyRemote or Irreco, etc. working for a simple WLAN remote, eg for a media box? (I.e., some big arrow key and enter and maybe volume buttons controlling a pc that one has SSHed or VNCed or even telnetted to?) | 23:37 |
| MrBawb | lcuk: had to be somewhere in the 286 range, I don't actually know | 23:37 |
| MrBawb | oh, 386 | 23:38 |
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| OkropNick | kasansweat: thank you for hint | 23:39 |
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| MrBawb | kasansweat: you're looking to use Irreco with wlan? | 23:41 |
| kasansweat | Sure, or whichever one works? I saw that qtirreco was IR only? Not sure about Irreco or other alternatives | 23:41 |
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| MrBawb | kasansweat: There's bluemaemo, that pretends to be a bluetooth keyboard | 23:42 |
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| MrBawb | I don't know of anything that uses VNC or synergy and presents a remote-control interface | 23:43 |
| kasansweat | so bluemaemo does do "buttons on the screen?" | 23:43 |
| MrBawb | it has some pre-made profiles | 23:43 |
| kasansweat | but it must be bluetooth? | 23:44 |
| MrBawb | yeah | 23:44 |
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| chem|st | pong | 23:44 |
| kasansweat | seems silly to limit it to just that, but hey, beggars can't be choosers (unless they're coders) | 23:44 |
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| MrBawb | yeah, it should be possible to do what you want. It's just, nobody's written it that I know of | 23:45 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: what is the second thread | 23:45 |
| lcuk | kasansweat, bluemaemo is bluetooth HID wrapper | 23:45 |
| lcuk | making it not do bluetooth is kinda feature creep :P | 23:45 |
| kasansweat | hehe yeah -- I thought AnyRemote might have been it too -- but I think it takes some fudging | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, nevermind, it already grew to a big thread | 23:46 |
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| chem|st | ah ok | 23:46 |
| kasansweat | Making it do WLAN seems painfully obvious -- the N900 is WLAN enabled, and the other PC is likely to be as well | 23:46 |
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| alterego | bluetooth hid is a good standard to work on, there's no tcp/ip hid spec afaik :) | 23:51 |
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| MrBawb | alterego: there's always http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ | 23:52 |
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| alterego | Well, at least hid is built into most things by default :P | 23:53 |
| MrBawb | yup | 23:53 |
| alterego | It's a pity the xbox doesn't have bluetooth | 23:53 |
| alterego | stupid rf crap | 23:53 |
| alterego | Or ir .. | 23:53 |
| alterego | But it means I can't use the N900 as a bluetooth hid keyboard for the xbox, like their messenger pad thing | 23:54 |
| alterego | Which is something I'd really like | 23:54 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, it's a pity the PS3 doesn't have IR :p | 23:57 |
| alterego | The PS3 has good bluetooth hid support though | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | oh yay, some arabic news channel started a wikileaks of its own | 23:58 |
| alterego | If I had a PS3 I'd write a ps3-media-remote and keyboard app | 23:58 |
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| * MohammadAG sends alterego his PS3 | 23:59 | |
| MohammadAG | I trust it'll be back | 23:59 |
| alterego | :D | 23:59 |
| alterego | You might get a controller back :P | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | hey javispedro | 23:59 |
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