IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-01-21

makulkar	MohammadAG, javispedro same error when i run as user	00:00
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MohammadAG	run-standalone.sh?	00:01
javispedro	makulkar: did you do "su user" or similar to run as user? you probably lost your environment vars. run a terminal from the UI and run your app from there, or find run-standalone.sh as MohammandAG said	00:01
MohammadAG	maybe it still exists	00:01
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makulkar	MohammadAG, where would that script be placed typically?	00:02
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DocScrutinizer	or do su -l user, or whatever might work on your device/OS	00:02
MohammadAG	/usr/bin/ on M5	00:03
makulkar	MohammadAG, nope it isnt there.	00:03
makulkar	yes i did su -l user	00:03
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KaffeeJunky123	oh my god, what have I done	00:04
MohammadAG	hmm	00:04
KaffeeJunky123	I have a wireless surveillance N900 cam	00:04
KaffeeJunky123	that I can use in skype	00:04
KaffeeJunky123	=)	00:04
* DocScrutinizer sighs, on general topic of meego-HE(_actually_maemo) on next device		00:04
MohammadAG	it flies?	00:04
MohammadAG	otherwise, it's not wireless :p	00:04
KaffeeJunky123	wasted hours trying to get this stuff to work...	00:04
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: nothing that you didn't know..	00:04
DocScrutinizer	sure	00:05
KaffeeJunky123	at first I had an outdated kernel module that wouldn't work with v4l2sink	00:05
DocScrutinizer	only that now it becomes a fact	00:05
MohammadAG	well	00:05
KaffeeJunky123	then I found out that v4l2sink was bugged	00:05
MohammadAG	if sudo gainroot still exists	00:05
KaffeeJunky123	and that a fork exists	00:05
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MohammadAG	you might wanna try exec sudo gainroot --use-su	00:05
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KaffeeJunky123	and now I found out that for some unkown reason jpegenc only works via tcp but not udp	00:05
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ieatlint	alterego: you there?	00:06
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: so we are facing two major OS migrations in the near future: first from m5 to m6-HE, which for sure will break all kinds of stuff (see above), and then again from m6 to true meego, which again will break all the shit	00:08
DocScrutinizer	I could easily live with only one of those killers	00:08
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: welcome to the club! you know the official answer: limit yourself to Qt.	00:09
DocScrutinizer	PFFF	00:09
ieatlint	DocScrutinizer: is alterego's app available for people yet?	00:09
DocScrutinizer	ieatlint: how TF shall I know?	00:09
ieatlint	dunno :P	00:09
ieatlint	figured it was worth a shot at asking	00:09
MohammadAG	which app?	00:09
DocScrutinizer	:-)	00:09
ieatlint	you're one of the people i've seen talking to him about it	00:10
DocScrutinizer	columbus?	00:10
ieatlint	columbus	00:10
ieatlint	yeah	00:10
MohammadAG	that's been out for age	00:10
MohammadAG	s	00:10
ieatlint	hah, i've not paid enough attention	00:10
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* DocScrutinizer feels incredibly sick about m6-HE		00:11
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* DocScrutinizer couldn't think of any better way to kill meego for good		00:12
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DocScrutinizer	some chair farts at Nokia still seem to think they're selling closed ecosystem phones, bothering more about continuity of user experience OOTB rather than about community and esp devels	00:14
Trewas	big ship turns slowly, or sinks for that matter :P	00:15
DocScrutinizer	as if the most important thing was it's playing Nokia tune on power up	00:15
javispedro	it is!!!	00:16
DocScrutinizer	""sybian, maemo, meego, andridiot - WHO CARES? Does it play Nokia tune at startup? Fine then!""	00:16
DocScrutinizer	and of course ""will it work with OVI store?"" - sorry I forgot :P	00:17
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MohammadAG	android doesn't play Nokia Tune	00:18
* MohammadAG giggles		00:18
MohammadAG	neither does MeeGo	00:18
* MohammadAG giggles again		00:18
Hoxzer	Can't see why people make such a big deal about OVI store. I have never used and propably never will.	00:18
DocScrutinizer	pfff, you don't know Nokia's flavour of meego yet	00:19
KaffeeJunky123	MohammadAG: you can patch android to play the nokia tune!	00:19
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, oh, that plays an electric guitar version of the tune	00:19
MohammadAG	I'd actually be interested in an electric guitar version, Israel had one	00:19
DocScrutinizer	uaaerrrgh	00:19
KaffeeJunky123	will there ever be phonebill paying in ovi?	00:19
* trip0 wonders if nokia is going to make an n9 announcement at MWC		00:19
MohammadAG	trip0, yeah sure	00:20
MohammadAG	release @ MeeGo summit I guess	00:20
KaffeeJunky123	because they already got my phone number, so there's nothing new I'd give to them	00:20
KaffeeJunky123	but I won't give em my bank account data!	00:20
trip0	"we are announcing that the n9 will be delayed another 6 months"	00:20
DocScrutinizer	With MEEGOoo..erxCHOUGH HE	00:20
trip0	doh!	00:20
trip0	:(	00:21
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MohammadAG	delays are TBA at announcement, please, don't fake the roadmap	00:21
MohammadAG	:P	00:21
DocScrutinizer	I couldn't care less about N9	00:22
MohammadAG	I could, need MOAR RAM	00:22
DocScrutinizer	err, I could - if I got a promise they won't discontinue N900 on release of N9	00:22
MohammadAG	I also want the electric guitar Nokia Tune	00:23
MohammadAG	I just remembered it, used to play on Nokia 6680 ads in Israel	00:23
DocScrutinizer	sigh	00:23
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: isn't it discontinued already fwiw?	00:23
* DocScrutinizer suggests MohammadAG records his own individual unique electric guitar Nokia tune		00:23
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, got a guitar for me?	00:24
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* DocScrutinizer drops a metric ton of PC synthesizers at MohammadAG		00:25
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: offer the teenager next door a beer - he'll be happy to grab his guitar and play it for you	00:26
MohammadAG	meh, all people I know have accoustics and classics :p	00:26
DocScrutinizer	use a pickup then	00:27
DocScrutinizer	and a big muff	00:27
MohammadAG	muff?	00:27
trip0	i don't think MohammadAG should be grabbing or playing any teenagers instruments	00:27
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MohammadAG	why's that? getting a guitar in march :p	00:27
trip0	that's how people get thrown in jail	00:28
DocScrutinizer	http://www.google.de/search?q=big+muff	00:28
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MohammadAG	trip0, LOL	00:28
lardman\|home	what pid does a process get if it's started from a shell script without an & ?	00:29
GAN900	MohammadAG, what sort of guitar?	00:29
MohammadAG	electric, for the fun of it	00:29
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javispedro	lardman\|home: a random one :)	00:30
lardman\|home	really? :(	00:30
javispedro	same as with &	00:30
javispedro	there should no difference from the kernel pov	00:30
lardman\|home	drat	00:31
javispedro	without & it's just adding a wait() call	00:31
GAN900	MohammadAG, cool.	00:31
KaffeeJunky123	DocScrutinizer: doesn't that thing just make your guitar sound like it's drenched in tons of mud?	00:31
javispedro	*waitpid	00:31
KaffeeJunky123	+ overdrive	00:31
lardman\|home	I was hoping I could use a shell script for init and exec the android init if the button combo was correct	00:31
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javispedro	lardman\|home: you want to look at exec then	00:31
javispedro	lardman\|home: you can, that's a good idea.	00:32
DocScrutinizer	KaffeeJunky123: well, isn't that the appropriate sound for a Nokia tune? :-P	00:32
MohammadAG	this is actually kinda cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62L9ihltsz8:P	00:32
javispedro	lardman\|home: on a _sourced_ shell script exec will mean whatever is run gets the shell's pid (replaces it)	00:32
lardman\|home	is that a built-in or an e.g. busybox command?	00:32
MohammadAG	has some dropped parts at the start, so meh	00:32
javispedro	lardman\|home: builtin	00:33
javispedro	lardman\|home: and since it's busybox, ignore the _sourced_ remark I made above ;)	00:33
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DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/abs-guide-4.2.tar.bz2	00:35
javispedro	lardman\|home: that's how fremantle original "dualbooting" used to work -- a preinit sh script you can find on a N900 made some checks then exec'd init/upstart or showed the multiboot menu	00:35
DocScrutinizer	Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide	00:35
DocScrutinizer	An in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting	00:35
lardman\|home	yeah but this is not bash	00:36
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lardman\|home	and there are apparently differences	00:36
DocScrutinizer	(preinit.sh) and backup-menu still works that way	00:36
javispedro	you can find this script (preinit) in /sbin/preinit	00:36
javispedro	(if you want to learn by example :) )	00:36
javispedro	--> exec $CHROOT /sbin/init $def_runlevel <dev/console >dev/console 2>&1	00:37
DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: there are. It's messybox, which basically has no external commands. Everything on messybox is "built-in"	00:37
lardman\|home	DocScrutinizer: that link is broken	00:37
lardman\|home	javispedro: my N900 is broken	00:37
lardman\|home	pastebin?	00:37
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DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: sorry, this one's not: /home/jr/Desktop/downloads/abs-guide.pdf - but I guess it doesn't really help	00:38
javispedro	"This software, including documentation, is protected by copyright controlled"	00:38
javispedro	haha	00:38
javispedro	a 423 line propietary shell script.	00:38
DocScrutinizer	http://www.google.de/search?q=abs-guide.pdf	00:38
lardman\|home	thanks	00:39
cehteh	and he stole the first line already from all of my scripts :P	00:39
lardman\|home	runlevel required in that script?	00:39
javispedro	uh?	00:39
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javispedro	either way the only interesting bit is the exec line, and the android's init cmdline arguments might be different...	00:40
javispedro	and you probably don't need any chroot to invoke android's init.	00:40
lardman\|home	no I won't need chroot	00:40
javispedro	(in fact you don't need chroot for the n900 either, that $CHROOT must be for n8x0....)	00:41
DocScrutinizer	chroot? I always thought you're using pivot-root for that	00:41
lardman\|home	though I will need to e.g. switch_root away from the initramfs to /sbin/init of Meego	00:41
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DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: that's what pivot-root does	00:42
lardman\|home	I don't have the source for the Android init, but afaict it reads relevant info from the kernel command line proc entry	00:42
lardman\|home	DocScrutinizer: there's a difference though isn't there, not that I really remember what it is	00:42
DocScrutinizer	chroot creates child with a changed root env, while pivot-root operates on the system root	00:43
lardman\|home	and switch_root?	00:44
DocScrutinizer	never heard about it	00:44
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lardman\|home	chroot allows you to change back, which I don't need	00:44
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javispedro	DocScrutinizer: this seems to explain why it uses chroot (also has pivot_root call a few lines above) :	00:44
javispedro	http://linux.die.net/man/8/pivot_root	00:44
lardman\|home	http://manpages.courier-mta.org/htmlman8/switch_root.8.html	00:44
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lardman\|home	hmm, so is there a recommendation	00:45
javispedro	lardman\|home: sounds like a script, you might be able to read it and see what it does :)	00:45
lardman\|home	switch_root looked like it was what I needed	00:45
DocScrutinizer	meh, sorry folks, I am in a mood for RL now	00:45
RST38h	hello to whoever I have not yet helloed today	00:45
javispedro	hi RST38h	00:45
DocScrutinizer	o/	00:45
lardman\|home	javispedro: symlink to busybox I think	00:45
lardman\|home	hi RST38h	00:45
javispedro	lardman\|home: aaaaaaaaaaaaah makes sense.	00:45
DocScrutinizer	hi and bye	00:45
javispedro	cya RST38h :)	00:46
lardman\|home	cu DocScrutinizer	00:46
javispedro	heeee	00:46
javispedro	cya DocScrutinizer =)	00:46
lardman\|home	hmm, can't see anything useful in bootmenu*	00:48
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m8m8	Hi guys! I logged in to get some help, but now I don't need it, what a relief! Cellular data connection on my N900 ceaced to work for a whole day. Now i've discovered that my GSM provider had issues...	00:53
MohammadAG	found the best Nokia tune :D http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=7609500&q=hi&newref=1	00:53
DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: doesn't andridiot need a proprietary kernel, and that's why we got this multiboot abomination?	00:53
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shamus	so is the stable diablo-community-update stable? im still runing the stock nokia os the very latest should i update my n800 to the comunity and is it as easy as clickign the .install or do i need to reflash agin?	00:54
DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: even pivot-root won't switch the kernel	00:54
DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: you should check how to patch uBoot to empoewer it to boot up andridiot	00:54
shamus	or amd i already runign the comunity as i did instsal the rotation	00:55
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: hmm - ok	00:56
MohammadAG	:P	00:57
lardman\|home	DocScrutinizer: replacing the bootloader is the next (rather large) step	00:57
MohammadAG	replacing the what?!	00:57
lardman\|home	but for the time being I'd be happy to be able to boot Meego using the slightly abominated Android kernel	00:57
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lardman\|home	because that also lets me boot Android, so the device is vaguely useful while I do this	00:58
DocScrutinizer	:-x	00:58
MohammadAG	honest question	00:58
MohammadAG	does anyone read license agreements on installs?	00:58
lardman\|home	the secondary bootloader is only 1MB, so not so much reverse engineering to be done there! :$	00:58
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Kilroo	Is there a howto for uBooting nitdroid yet or is that still a task to make the uninitiated quail and cower in fear?	00:59
Kilroo	MohammadAG: sometimes.	00:59
lardman\|home	MohammadAG: will do on yours from now on!	00:59
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SpeedEvil	MohammadAG: yes	00:59
MohammadAG	SpeedEvil, even the 9-page+ long ones?	00:59
MrBawb	what about using kexec to switch to the droid kernel?	00:59
* Kilroo goes back to trying to tether his n900 to his n85		01:00
MohammadAG	lardman\|home, was installing the Qt SDK, and it came across my mind :p	01:00
SpeedEvil	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261	01:00
povbot	Bug 10261: MyNokia Terms and conditions of use on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect	01:00
MohammadAG	wow, lol	01:00
lardman\|home	MohammadAG: ;)	01:00
MohammadAG	oooh, shiny Qt Creator	01:01
MohammadAG	oh, Qt Quick	01:01
* MohammadAG ponders having a look at that		01:01
lardman\|home	does sh assume that /bin is in the path or do I need to explicitly set the PATH to include that?	01:02
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DocScrutinizer	MrBawb: should work, but same amount of work as fixing uBot to do it "natively" - just the usage pattern is different	01:02
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DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: sh assumes nothing, it inherits	01:03
Kilroo	I have a newegg package being shipped to me via DHL/USPS. I am in North Carolina. It started in Tennessee. It has so far traveled via Misourri and Kentucky.	01:04
lardman\|home	and when it inherits from the kernel as it has pid 1?	01:04
DocScrutinizer	shell never will have PID 1, except for very special usecases. See man sh, man init, etc	01:04
Kilroo	SWEET! Orange is working!	01:04
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lardman\|home	DocScrutinizer: this is just such a usecase	01:05
DocScrutinizer	Iknow, but cba to read the manpages for you	01:05
* lardman\|home reads		01:05
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lardman\|home	man init is not much use as it assumes init is the binary	01:06
javispedro	lardman\|home: probably doesn't, PATH is usually set by login or similar process	01:07
DocScrutinizer	it actually is, as it also explains a bit about who's setting env etc	01:07
RST38h	set by shell, no?	01:07
lardman\|home	After init is invoked as the last step of the kernel boot sequence...	01:08
lardman\|home	pretty final	01:08
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DocScrutinizer	as a general rule, don't assume anything in arbitrary shell scripts. there's nothing forcing PATH to be sane	01:08
* lardman\|home will just export PATH and be done with it :)		01:08
javispedro	according to that manpage it will only inherit $CONSOLE	01:08
javispedro	(from the kernel initial environp)	01:08
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javispedro	*environment	01:08
lardman\|home	Init sets the following environment variables for all its children:	01:09
javispedro	lardman\|home: read the CONSOLE part	01:09
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Kilroo	I still think it's bunk that General Protection Fault outranks Colonel Panic.	01:09
lardman\|home	so apparently it's the job of init to do that, so again I should make sure I do so	01:09
javispedro	" This is really inherited from the kernel"	01:09
javispedro	($CONSOLE only)	01:09
lardman\|home	ok	01:10
lardman\|home	console is not overly important as I can't see it on the device anyway	01:10
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* MohammadAG sighs at Qt creator		01:15
BCMM	is there a page explaining what the contents of /sys/devices/platform/nokia-av/detect mean?	01:15
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MohammadAG	there was a "skip packaging step", you had to remove it didn't you	01:15
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MohammadAG	oh nice	01:17
MohammadAG	they broke existing projects	01:17
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MohammadAG	BCMM, 3 = unplugged, 1 = headphones plugged	01:18
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kpoman	hello !	01:18
kpoman	once again :p	01:18
jonwil	Looks like Cell Broadcast should be possible if I can figure out just whats going on inside libsms	01:18
BCMM	MohammadAG: is that all?	01:18
MohammadAG	2 will probably be headsets, 4 AV	01:18
MohammadAG	no	01:19
MohammadAG	second two are a guess	01:19
BCMM	MohammadAG: huh, i'm getting three, and i can see a picture on the TV	01:19
MohammadAG	there's the stock N900 (broken, can't test)	01:19
MohammadAG	and AV cable	01:19
MohammadAG	hmm	01:19
BCMM	(well, on my computer through WinTV, but anyway)	01:19
MohammadAG	then it's not related to TV out	01:19
kpoman	I just installed the sdk, it comes with the device emulator. but there are almost no tools there	01:19
kpoman	is theere a catalog to add or what ?	01:19
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MohammadAG	er?	01:19
jonwil	A working idapython install would be nice...	01:19
MohammadAG	Qt SDK?	01:20
MohammadAG	it has everything you need to build a Qt app	01:20
kpoman	MohammadAG: to me ?	01:20
MohammadAG	yes	01:20
MohammadAG	:-1: error: Invalid Qt Creator install path.	01:20
MohammadAG	nice	01:20
kpoman	oh ... see I have x86 X running... I want to compile some app with sme libusb dependencies and SDL	01:21
MohammadAG	achipa, any ideas?	01:21
MohammadAG	then you need scratchbox	01:21
kpoman	MohammadAG: what do I do	01:21
MohammadAG	~maemosdk	01:21
infobot	hmm... maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation	01:21
MohammadAG	unless they're Qt	01:21
kpoman	MohammadAG: I do have all runnign ! I run the emulator right now.	01:21
achipa	wha ? who ? whe ?	01:21
MohammadAG	I'm not sure I'm following :p	01:21
BCMM	heh, that was roundabout	01:21
MohammadAG	you have a Qt?	01:21
MohammadAG	err	01:22
kpoman	MohammadAG: I downloaded all and did all from this page: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners	01:22
kpoman	MohammadAG: I run the Xephyr and launch the start script. I do see my fake device but no app on it.	01:22
MohammadAG	that's not an emulator...	01:22
BCMM	rang phone from Skype, and heard the ringing come from my computer, via the capture card...	01:22
kpoman	only the browser	01:22
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MohammadAG	what exactly do you want on it?	01:22
BCMM	perhaps that wasn't the simplest way to test a cable.	01:22
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MohammadAG	BCMM, heh	01:23
jonwil	jacekowski: you around?	01:23
kpoman	MohammadAG: I want to download maybe SDL with ttf and then copy my application and try to compile it, have the binaries and copy them to my real device see if it works	01:23
MohammadAG	you need to switch to ARMEL to compile for the device	01:23
MohammadAG	sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL	01:23
achipa	MohammadAG: there still is the skip packaging step if that's what you're after	01:23
achipa	it just has some extremely silly name and is in an even sillier location	01:24
BCMM	anyone got a link explaining the confusion about pin order on four-conductor 3.5mm TRS jacks?	01:24
MohammadAG	achipa, it's failing to compile all in all	01:24
kpoman	MohammadAG: yep ... it does autoselect the correct gcc and flags ?	01:24
MohammadAG	yep	01:24
kpoman	MohammadAG: and how do I download the dependencies there, apt-get ?	01:24
MohammadAG	yep	01:24
BCMM	(i've accidentally bought myself a spare AV cable for the n900 when i wanted one for a sony camcorder)	01:24
kpoman	ok	01:24
achipa	MohammadAG: errm, what are you compiling ?	01:24
MohammadAG	add extras-devel	01:24
kpoman	MohammadAG: how do I do that	01:25
MohammadAG	achipa, my mediaplayer, used to compile fine on the old Nokia Qt SDK	01:25
kpoman	sources.list ?	01:25
MohammadAG	yep	01:25
kpoman	let me check what is there	01:25
MohammadAG	deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free	01:25
achipa	MohammadAG: is it in extras ?	01:25
MohammadAG	echo deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free > /etc/apt/sources.list	01:25
MohammadAG	achipa, mediaplayer? no, it's on gitorious	01:25
lardman\|home	hmm, does the kernel create a tmpfs which contains /dev ?	01:25
kpoman	MohammadAG: apt-get no such file or directory	01:26
MohammadAG	sure you followed the correct instructions?	01:26
MohammadAG	have a look at	01:26
MohammadAG	~maemosdk	01:26
infobot	[maemosdk] http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation	01:26
kpoman	MohammadAG: I only did what was in that link	01:26
MohammadAG	I don't really trust any other guides ;)	01:26
javispedro	lardman\|home: the kernel can be configured to do so	01:26
kpoman	MohammadAG: on a ubuntu box	01:26
MohammadAG	same, and apt-get works fine with those instructions ^	01:27
javispedro	lardman\|home: "CONFIG_DEVTMPFS" if you can find whatever kernel config they used	01:27
MohammadAG	achipa, any way to get more verbose output?	01:27
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achipa	MohammadAG: a sec...	01:27
kpoman	MohammadAG: I am running sb login, then switch to armel	01:28
lardman\|home	javispedro: thanks, glad I'm not going mad	01:28
javispedro	lardman\|home: being an android kernel, I suggest you get the patches they made to the kernel to avoid going mad =)	01:28
javispedro	just in case they added wacky behaviour	01:28
kpoman	MohammadAG: there is something wrong here. If I autocomplete with TAB key, it finds apt-get ... if I type the command it says not found	01:29
kpoman	what is goin on there ?	01:29
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kpoman	MohammadAG: I had to kill services because it was telling me "session not closed" is that the problem ?	01:29
MohammadAG	yes	01:30
kpoman	then ?	01:30
MohammadAG	you have to af-s(tab) stop	01:30
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lardman\|home	javispedro: it's a tarball, so I'll have to diff it against the vanilla kernel, then remove any arm patches from the diff, etc	01:30
javispedro	ugh	01:30
kpoman	no such file or directory for everyting in there	01:30
kpoman	do i need to reboot the machine :(	01:31
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achipa	MohammadAG: where is it breaking ?	01:33
MohammadAG	before building starts	01:33
MohammadAG	kpoman, no, just follow instructions in the wiki	01:33
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achipa	? worksforme, had to uncomment that silly pathline in the pro and that was it...	01:33
MohammadAG	Project ERROR: Invalid Qt Creator install path.	01:34
MohammadAG	The process "/home/mohammad/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/targets/fremantle-pr13/bin/qmake" exited with code 2.	01:34
achipa	yeah	01:34
achipa	p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } # Uncomment the lines as required.dF	01:34
achipa	holy copypaste madness	01:34
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achipa	anyway, external-includes.pro says uncomment stuff in it	01:35
* MohammadAG facepalms		01:35
* shamus backups his home directory fully this time and feals like taking the plunge after all whats the worst that the stable version of Diablo_Community_Project could do to his n800 heck worse case i guess ill have to reflash		01:35
MohammadAG	that file...	01:35
MohammadAG	thanks	01:35
achipa	I don't think that's coming from qtcreator tho, you prolly picked it up someplace else	01:36
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MohammadAG	yeah, crashanddie added it to work around an issue	01:36
MohammadAG	forgot about it	01:36
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MohammadAG	one last thing	01:36
achipa	(as I tend to get bitchy when someone starts including .pro files :) if it's not a separate project, make it a pri so it's clear it's an include)	01:37
MohammadAG	is there a way to install dpkgs without extracting them manually?	01:37
achipa	xpkg -i whatever?	01:37
MohammadAG	heh, I tend to agree about .pri :)	01:37
achipa	xdpkg...	01:37
* MohammadAG finds		01:37
MohammadAG	not hidden, at all :p QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg	01:38
achipa	every goo dhacker looks there first, right ? :P	01:38
MohammadAG	ha	01:38
MohammadAG	mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg	01:38
MohammadAG	Can't locate Madde.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg line 9.	01:38
MohammadAG	BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg line 9.	01:38
achipa	ummm... I remember that...	01:39
achipa	(though at almost 2AM my mmery tends to fade)	01:39
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MohammadAG	1:39 here :p	01:39
achipa	ditto	01:40
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wmarone	hm	01:41
wmarone	anyone here use dropn900?	01:41
mikki-kun	hm, can anybody tell me how i could add to my halfdone script --- for i in *.pdf; echo $i \| sed s/L/Z:/g --- the mv command so my files get renamed?	01:41
MohammadAG	trying to do what exactly? :P	01:41
MrBawb	newname=`echo $i \| sed s/L/Z:/g`	01:42
MrBawb	is that what you wanted?	01:42
achipa	MohammadAG: a@t410:~/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/bin$ ./mad ../madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg	01:42
mikki-kun	i want my L$BLA files renamed to Z:$BLA :)	01:42
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achipa	might be talking rubbish... eyes half closed	01:42
MohammadAG	heh	01:42
MohammadAG	sounds reasonable to me	01:42
MohammadAG	ta	01:42
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MrBawb	mikki-kun: for i in *.pdf; do mv $i `echo $i \| sed s/L/Z:/g`; done	01:42
Jartza	gnnh	01:43
MrBawb	might need some "s	01:43
Jartza	I'm trying to get a grip of QML	01:43
* MohammadAG backspaces		01:43
MohammadAG	beat me to it :p	01:43
mikki-kun	ahhh ok, "do mv" :) it was then :)	01:43
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kpoman	sorry MohammadAG made a beer explode here and had to clean up the mess	01:45
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MohammadAG	beer's too cool for me	01:46
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kpoman	lol heineken here in brazil is like water	01:46
kpoman	:p	01:46
shamus	almost made a major mistake and tryed to make a backup with a custom theme	01:46
Jartza	heineken is like water anyways :)	01:46
kpoman	heheh	01:47
kpoman	too bad I lost one bottle because of 2 previous ones :D	01:47
Jartza	what's common between Heineken and making love in a canoe?	01:47
kpoman	i donno	01:47
Jartza	...they're both "fucking close to water"	01:47
kpoman	loooool :p ahahaha	01:47
ShadowJK	I've heard that before...about budweiser :P	01:48
Jartza	same story :)	01:48
kpoman	all beers are here of that kind unfortunately :p	01:48
kpoman	no leffe	01:48
kpoman	no others of that kind	01:48
kpoman	guiness	01:48
kpoman	etc... :(	01:48
* ShadowJK likes unfiltered wheat beers		01:49
kpoman	guys every time I see that phone I love it more and more	01:49
MohammadAG	ooh fuck	01:49
MohammadAG	new Qt SDK removed my mediaplayer	01:49
Jartza	I like a lot of different beers, but not heineker nor budweiser :)	01:49
MohammadAG	xD	01:49
kpoman	I do develop lot of python and now want to port lot of software I did for that mobile device ... in particular biometric apps	01:49
kpoman	like banking fingerprint authentication	01:49
kpoman	access control	01:50
kpoman	very nice platform you did create there	01:50
kpoman	I just want to compile a demo app and sdk and then put the python in there :P	01:50
kpoman	congrats all the hardcore devs there ;)	01:50
kpoman	(beer speaking)	01:51
Jartza	hmm. ohh, ok.	01:51
MohammadAG	achipa, you sure about the part about disabling packages?	01:51
Jartza	whoo-a	01:51
Jartza	I drew 2 rectangles with QML	01:51
Jartza	well. that's a start :D	01:51
MohammadAG	heh	01:52
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kpoman	MohammadAG: my scratchbox is telling me command not found for everythin	01:52
kpoman	I thing I messed too much	01:52
MohammadAG	kpoman, I'm guessing you have them, but installation wasn't successful so there's no qemu	01:52
MohammadAG	so you're trying to run arm on x86, which naturally, doesn't work well	01:52
kpoman	MohammadAG: it seems more like a path error or whatever. after I did kill services and switched to armel I have those problems	01:53
lardman\|home	do I need to umount the devtmpfs and devpts before I exec the android init do you reckon?	01:53
kpoman	MohammadAG: the .sh script dont work, but the direct commands do	01:54
MohammadAG	does /usr/bin/apt-get say anything?	01:54
shamus	wow that was painless	01:54
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kpoman	MohammadAG: I am able to autocomplete the command, but when ran, it says no such file or dir	01:55
kpoman	odd	01:55
MohammadAG	again	01:55
MohammadAG	ARM on X86	01:56
MohammadAG	wrong arch returns no such file	01:56
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kpoman	MohammadAG: I did the sb-conf thing	01:56
kpoman	sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL	01:56
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MohammadAG	I know	01:56
MohammadAG	but qemu's f'd for some reason	01:56
MohammadAG	repeat installation	01:57
kpoman	do you have an apt-get to install that on ubuntu ?	01:57
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MohammadAG	no, just follow ~maemosdk	01:57
MohammadAG	~maemosdk	01:57
infobot	i guess maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation	01:57
kpoman	qemu-arm-static	01:57
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kpoman	oops let see	01:57
MohammadAG	two scripts	01:57
MohammadAG	run both	01:57
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kpoman	the python script ?	01:58
kpoman	MohammadAG: the x86 version works well	02:00
kpoman	at least launches the emulator	02:00
kpoman	and that link I gave you everything went ok	02:00
MohammadAG	X86 matches your CPU, so will obviously run fine	02:01
MohammadAG	no, run the 2 .sh files	02:01
MohammadAG	and it's not an emulator, it's running natively	02:01
kpoman	which sh files ? there are many ther	02:02
MohammadAG	there are only 2	02:06
kpoman	but I already did download about 1GB of data... dont wanna do all that again for just a comma	02:06
lardman\|home	hmm, well at least I know my init script was working, as I got into a reboot loop	02:06
kpoman	or whatever	02:06
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lardman\|home	night all	02:10
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trx	hmm	02:13
trx	i'm trying to install qt into my scratchbox	02:14
trx	armel target one	02:14
trx	i do fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-dev	02:14
trx	and it downloads the packages, and when it tried to install them, it fails, because it downloaded the i386 debs	02:15
trx	tries*	02:15
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trx	how can i tell it to download the arm packages?	02:15
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MohammadAG	some conf in apt	02:18
MohammadAG	sec	02:18
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MohammadAG	right	02:20
MohammadAG	read man apt.conf	02:20
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javispedro	trx: did you something weird on your sdk setup like untarring the i386 rootfs on the armel target?	02:25
javispedro	gotta love the n9atom thread..	02:26
* javispedro bookmarks for tomorrows' laughs		02:26
trx	javispedro no, i havent messed with that	02:26
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javispedro	trx: just to be sure, do "readelf -h /usr/bin/apt-get \| grep Machine". Expect "ARM" .	02:27
trx	MohammadAG it says : bash: read: `apt.conf`: not a valid identifier	02:27
javispedro	(in the armel target)	02:27
trx	javispedro ill try	02:28
trx	it said Machine : ARM	02:28
wmarone	idle speculation is always fun	02:28
jonwil	does anything on the N900 grab things sent to syslog?	02:29
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MohammadAG	sysklogd if installed	02:29
BCMM	jonwil: by default, i believe not	02:29
javispedro	trx: check what "dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH" sais	02:30
javispedro	*says	02:31
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trx	it says :	02:32
trx	Use of uninitialized value in split at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-architecture line 189.	02:32
trx	armel	02:32
javispedro	your sb setup seems to be broken	02:33
javispedro	why are you using lenny either way?	02:33
javispedro	you should be using etch, or the latest squeeze if anything	02:33
javispedro	(as devkit I mean =) )	02:34
trx	dont know really, this is what i got when i installed scratch box :)	02:34
MohammadAG	[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/ssu/vte] > ls /scratchbox/devkits/	02:34
MohammadAG	apt-https/ debian-etch/ debian-lenny/ debian-sarge/ doctools/ git/ perl/ qemu/ svn/	02:34
MohammadAG	:P	02:34
javispedro	MohammadAG: sb-conf show	02:34
MohammadAG	[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/ssu/vte] > sb-conf show	02:35
MohammadAG	Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7	02:35
MohammadAG	Devkits: perl debian-etch qemu doctools svn git	02:35
MohammadAG	CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb	02:35
javispedro	see. etch.	02:35
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trx	ill change to etch then (hopefully)	02:36
javispedro	trx: if someone or something messed your sbox setup, I suggest a reinstall	02:36
trx	yeah, that would be the best way, but it takes too long	02:37
trx	i only need to compile a lib	02:37
trx	which takes 2 min	02:37
trx	but no, my sb has to be broken :/	02:38
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MohammadAG	cachcing scratchbox files = ftw	02:38
MohammadAG	I can install in 5-10 mins :)	02:38
BCMM	MohammadAG: caching how?	02:38
* javispedro has not reinstalled sbox since the first time I got my n810..		02:39
BCMM	i mean, what sort of caching	02:39
MohammadAG	copying /tmp, copying /var/cache/apt/archives	02:39
MohammadAG	copying back on installation	02:39
javispedro	it's been there, on its own lvm lv and survived a few main OS reinstalls =)	02:39
MohammadAG	or make a custom script that does it for you	02:39
MohammadAG	I have scratchbox on a separate partition	02:39
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trx	ok, with dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH i no longer get an error	02:41
trx	thats a start :)	02:42
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javispedro	I do not thin that will fix it per se.	02:42
trx	me too	02:43
jonwil	So I want to install sysklogd from where?	02:45
trx	from the repos	02:45
javispedro	jonwil: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5	02:45
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jonwil	ok, I installed syslog but I am not getting any syslog messages	02:56
jonwil	and syslog is running	02:56
jonwil	syslogd	02:56
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MohammadAG	/var/log/syslog	02:58
jonwil	yes I see that	02:58
jonwil	but its not putting syslog messages in there	02:58
jonwil	only some kernel stuff	02:58
jonwil	I get plenty of kernel messages (which is not what I want)	03:00
jonwil	but nothing at all from code I am sure is calling syslog/vsyslog	03:00
jonwil	duh, I dont think the 3G towers I am talking to are sending Cell Broadcast...	03:14
jonwil	yep, its confirmed. None of the networks in Australia send the Cell Broadcast location messages	03:21
jonwil	the 3G ones at least	03:24
jonwil	so after all that work, it looks like A.There is unspecified Cell Broadcast related code in the n900 SMS libraries that may or may not do something usefull and B.even if it did something usefull, I have no way to test what it does because the tower doesn't send broadcast messages anyway	03:26
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nox-	i suppose you could package something up so others can test on other towers/operators?	03:28
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jonwil	I didnt have anything to package up. All I know is that there is code related to cell broadcast inside libsms but not what it does or where it sends the messages	03:30
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jonwil	will add some more to the relavent bugzilla bug	03:36
SpeedEvil	Have you any useful testing others in regions that do CVS could do?	03:37
jonwil	I dont know of any 3G operator doing cell broadcast over 3G towers	03:40
jonwil	Will post the info I have in the bugzilla bug and let it go from there	03:41
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lucent	MohammadAG: how'd you set up scratchbox, what is the distro on your host computer? I was unable to get it set up properly here following the SDK guides	03:48
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jonwil	ok, comment added to bug 8347	03:58
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available	03:58
jonwil	Now I have to think of some other app/code to write for my N900 :P	04:02
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: my carrier definitely is sending CB-SMS on channel 221	04:02
jonwil	is this a 3G tower?	04:03
lucent	I have no 3G tower nearby to test with, sorry	04:03
DocScrutinizer	nope, this is with a 2G Nokia 6210	04:04
DocScrutinizer	but that's no problem. I could force N900 to 2G anyway	04:04
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DocScrutinizer	As CB-SMS is specified for 3G as well as 2G, I don't think there's a huge difference in how that's handled inside modem	04:05
nox-	that network info(?) tool btw already displays cellids	04:05
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DocScrutinizer	s/CB-SMS/SMS-CB/g	04:06
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: As SMS-CB is specified for 3G as well as 2G, I don't think there's a huge difference in how that's handled inside modem	04:06
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javispedro	great	04:06
javispedro	I jus had a fscking kernel panic WHILE reflashing =)	04:07
nox-	ah no its called netmon	04:07
DocScrutinizer	cell-id yes. But that's basically worthless	04:07
nox-	eww	04:07
nox-	heh yeah	04:07
DocScrutinizer	bbl, out for a burger	04:07
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jonwil	If we can get info/code (either from Nokia or reverse engineered by someone with more ARM skills than me) on just what libsms and csd-sms are doing with the Cell Broadcast messages and what needs to be built on top of that code to actually support SMS-CB on the N900, then we can find someone on a carrier where they can get a SMS-CB message	04:07
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nox-	at least there is http://www.opencellid.org/ and some unoffical(?) google apis to query their cellid db...	04:09
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nox-	bbl	04:12
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javispedro	great, I just wanted to a boot a kernel, now it's fiasco reflash time	04:13
* DocScrutinizer hands javispedro a cookie		04:14
javispedro	hum, I've noticed that the cherry thing (which I conveniently forgot to disable) does run without hildon-desktop	04:15
javispedro	meaning it's a perfect case to see how tear-free it scrolls.	04:15
nox-	that does sounds like some fiasco...	04:15
nox-	anyway im off	04:16
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javispedro	thank god it's friday tomorrow :S	04:20
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DocScrutinizer51	big king XXL - yummy	05:02
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SpeedEvil	random - I'm in the process of writing a tool to extract pricing information from the tesco grocery website, so I can sort by price. This is interesting, but is half of a useful idea. Does anyone know of a website that has a compatible licence - so I can take the list of recipies, and out pops a price/recipie?	06:21
DocScrutinizer	recipe like "how to bake a cake"?	06:26
SpeedEvil	yes	06:26
DocScrutinizer	NFC	06:26
SpeedEvil	I want to be able to generate an app that can plan meals per couple of weeks, based on prices, and what you've got in stock.	06:27
DocScrutinizer	killer app :-D	06:27
DocScrutinizer	I seem to recall there's been al annoying sorts of (C) and suing with recipes on the web	06:28
SpeedEvil	yeah.	06:28
DocScrutinizer	house wives - worse than lawyers	06:28
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DocScrutinizer	knitting another similar domain	06:29
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DocScrutinizer	and programs for electronic stiching machines - OMG	06:30
DocScrutinizer	probably worse a market than ringtones for mobile phones	06:30
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DocScrutinizer	I guess accessing arbitrary websites via wget or linking can't violate any (C)	06:32
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DocScrutinizer	they may forbid redistribution, but not downloading and postprocessing in whatever way, as long as downloading with any one browser is generally allowable	06:33
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DocScrutinizer	embedding is a gray zone, but local processing in whatever way isn't illegal. Esp when you make user configure the URL to download the recipes from	06:36
luke-jr	meh, if the webserver sends me the data, it's mine to use within fair use :P	06:37
DocScrutinizer	exactly	06:37
DocScrutinizer	and a tool that requires user interaction to set up the particular URL in some config page - there's nothing anybody can do against that. Otherwise even wget would be illegal	06:38
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DocScrutinizer	a wget that does special postprocessing to the data downloaded, that's perfectly allowable. Even if that special "wget" works only for one particular webpage	06:40
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DocScrutinizer	~xyawn	06:44
infobot	xyawn is, like, big coffee	06:44
DocScrutinizer	hmm, k	06:44
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jonwil	hmmm, how do I send a SMS to someone not in my contact list...	06:49
jonwil	found it	06:53
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jonwil	aha I see whats up, I need to figure out how to enable log_notice logging in syslog	06:59
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jonwil	nope, that isnt working, I cant get it enabled	07:05
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DocScrutinizer	jonwil: umm, did you try to increase loglevel, with dmesg ?	07:36
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: dmesg -n 10, or sth	07:37
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: just a wild guess	07:37
jonwil	isnt dmesg for kernel messages only?	07:37
luke-jr	yes	07:38
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jonwil	ok, so that wont give me the messages I want from the sms code	07:39
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DocScrutinizer	dmesg also sets the loglevel, dunno if only for kernel msgs or for general loger() calls	07:43
DocScrutinizer	anyway dmesg -n 10 also has effect for syslog	07:44
DocScrutinizer	it's a writetime parameter, not a readtime filter	07:44
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DocScrutinizer	umm no, scratch that	07:45
DocScrutinizer	-nlevel	07:45
DocScrutinizer	Set the level at which logging of messages is done to the console. For example, -n 1 prevents all mes-	07:45
DocScrutinizer	sages, expect panic messages, from appearing on the console.	07:45
luke-jr	XD	07:46
DocScrutinizer	All levels of messages are still written to /proc/kmsg, so syslogd(8) can still be used to control exactly where kernel messages appear	07:46
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DocScrutinizer	so I guess you should check /etc/syslog.conf, jonwil	07:49
jonwil	I already tried that	07:49
DocScrutinizer	#*.=debug;\	07:51
DocScrutinizer	# auth,authpriv.none;\	07:51
DocScrutinizer	# news.none;mail.none -/var/log/debug	07:51
DocScrutinizer	this?	07:51
DocScrutinizer	#.=info;.=notice;*.=warn;\	07:51
DocScrutinizer	# auth,authpriv.none;\	07:51
DocScrutinizer	# cron,daemon.none;\	07:51
DocScrutinizer	# mail,news.none -/var/log/messages	07:51
DocScrutinizer	and this?	07:51
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, if only I could manage to not forget that friggin syntax of syslog.conf (and esp rsyslog.conf and syslogng and whatnot)	07:57
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: On local processing - the whole point would be to have the entire database of recipies, and the entire database of prices, combined with a local stock system, to generate meal plans for the next 2 weeks for the minimum price.	08:08
DocScrutinizer	hmm, no problem either. Simply download the whole database and 'cache' locally	08:09
DocScrutinizer	you just mustn't ship the dataset with your app	08:10
SpeedEvil	It doesn't really work well if you require each user to slurp the whole site.	08:10
SpeedEvil	Sites tend to fall over when you do that.	08:10
DocScrutinizer	hmm, so what else? I don't see any other solution, except find CC-recipes	08:10
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SpeedEvil	yeah.	08:12
SpeedEvil	I was basically wondering if anyone knew of any	08:12
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DocScrutinizer	probably the hosting of a CC database for recipes, similar to wikipedia, with a rating system, is the best part of the whole project ;-D	08:16
DocScrutinizer	you could start with a hundered recipes you provide from $random locations incl your granny's recipe book	08:17
SpeedEvil	yeah.	08:17
DocScrutinizer	you'd have precise labels/names for the ingredients	08:17
SpeedEvil	Ideally I'd like a huge database of recipies, with nice 'codes' for ingredients and quantities. So I don't have to try to parse what '1tsp onion' means.	08:18
DocScrutinizer	selectable from dropdown boxes or sth	08:18
DocScrutinizer	yeah, a free text recipe collection is probably hard or impossible to parse	08:19
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DocScrutinizer	hosting your own db-based recipe collection and opening it up to download and support a web-API, that could pan out quite nicely	08:20
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DocScrutinizer	esp if you also offer a html frontend	08:21
SpeedEvil	http://www.livestrong.com/recipes/browse-fish/ is the closest I came up with - but their licence isn't sane	08:21
DocScrutinizer	:nod:	08:23
DocScrutinizer	nothing LAMP couldn't do	08:24
SpeedEvil	The problem isn't in many ways the app, it's the data.	08:24
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jonwil	What I want in an app is a shopping list app that lets me image the bar-code on a product and it gets added to my shopping list. Or able to select the product from a list if its not something with a bar-code (meat etc).	09:12
jonwil	Then when I am in the store, I can scan the item (and it gets removed from the shopping list and added to the list of stuff I bought) and key in the price	09:12
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ieatlint	sounds like you should write it then :P	09:13
SpeedEvil	http://www.techfortesco.com/tescoapiweb/terms.htm jonwil	09:13
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johnx	I don't know if the barcode scanning is seamless enough to make that enjoyable	09:14
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johnx	have you played with mbarcode at all?	09:14
jonwil	nope, havent played with it yet	09:14
johnx	I think you can write plugins for it	09:14
jonwil	Tesco doesn't help me here in Australia I dont think	09:14
SpeedEvil	I love '21. You will not write applications that could be seen to involve Tesco in certain genres of entertainment or business activity. These include all illegal activities, and also include (but are not limited to):	09:14
SpeedEvil	a. adult entertainment (sex), '	09:14
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SpeedEvil	How do you write a sex-based app around a grocery website API.	09:15
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SpeedEvil	I guess I'm just not perverted enough.	09:15
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johnx	think 'alternate uses for everyday objects'	09:15
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RobbieThe1st	johnx: XD	09:18
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Termana	good morning	09:18
Sicelo	~XD	09:19
infobot	xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really funny smily face like :) but better	09:19
johnx	infobot, infobot is not case sensitive	09:19
infobot	...but infobot is already something else...	09:19
Sicelo	thanx johnx	09:20
johnx	~botsnack (even though I hate things that aren't case sensitive today ...)	09:20
infobot	johnx: aw, gee	09:20
* johnx needs to figure out how to make svn not accept filenames that are the same accept for case differences ...		09:21
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DocScrutinizer	johnx: isn't that the exact contrary to what you stated above?	09:26
DocScrutinizer	assuming s/accept/except/ in your post	09:27
johnx	why do you think I meant except?	09:28
DocScrutinizer	because otherwise the sentence doesn't parse for me	09:28
johnx	I want to make SVN not allow people to upload pic.jpg and PIC.jpg in the same directory	09:29
johnx	because it screws up when someone else checks out the project on a system that doesn't have a case sensitive FS (like Mac or probably Windows)	09:29
DocScrutinizer	yeah, that are the same EXCEPT for case differences	09:29
johnx	aaah, you meant the second accept	09:29
johnx	that s/ statement only matched the first one :)	09:30
DocScrutinizer	I ignored the first one	09:30
johnx	gotcha	09:31
johnx	I'd love to solve the root problem (that people are using case insensitive filesystems), but I think that might be out of scope ...	09:31
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luke-jr	IMO, filesystems probably should be a mix	09:32
DocScrutinizer	btw I'd be interested in syntax for regex subst that would match the n-th occurrence only, like s/x/y/[3,2] or whatever	09:32
luke-jr	case sensitive, but disallow names that differ only in case	09:32
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johnx	luke-jr, the devil is in the details	09:33
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: are you nuts? disallow filenames at random rules? :-O	09:33
DocScrutinizer	have fun with your scripts then!	09:34
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luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: s/x.x.\Kx/y/;	09:34
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DocScrutinizer	duh, thanks!!	09:35
DocScrutinizer	though it seems not entirely correct, I see the meaning	09:35
luke-jr	how not?	09:36
luke-jr	oh, maybe make .* into .*?	09:36
DocScrutinizer	there's three x in the match pattern. Is this actually matching only 2 source-"x"?	09:36
luke-jr	it matches 2, then forgets everything behind it and matches the third x	09:37
luke-jr	replacing the matched x with y	09:37
DocScrutinizer	I gather \K is same as ( ) in normal awk regex	09:37
luke-jr	no	09:37
luke-jr	it's a special form of (?<=x.x.)x	09:37
DocScrutinizer	yep	09:37
luke-jr	where (?<= … ) is a look-behind assertion	09:38
DocScrutinizer	now that I read your explanation	09:38
luke-jr	except (<= … ) form doesn't like variable-length stuff	09:38
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DocScrutinizer	cough	09:39
DocScrutinizer	that look-behind stuff usually makes my head explode	09:39
luke-jr	XD	09:39
luke-jr	\K form is much easier and I think faster	09:39
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DocScrutinizer	I seem to recall the look-behind may or may not be nonimplemented in particular commands / distris	09:40
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: Perl regex are completely non-standard	09:41
luke-jr	it works in Perl and only in Perl	09:41
DocScrutinizer	at very least it's strongly deprecated for performance reasons	09:41
luke-jr	standard regex don't support (…), but instead require $…$	09:41
johnx	too many flavors of regex make my head explode	09:41
luke-jr	hehe	09:42
DocScrutinizer	perl grep awk	09:42
DocScrutinizer	simple	09:42
DocScrutinizer	what else?	09:42
luke-jr	I love (?{…})	09:42
luke-jr	grep at least uses POSIX regex standard	09:42
johnx	grep has extended and basic, right?	09:42
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luke-jr	(⁇{…})	09:42
johnx	is grep extended regex actually the same as awk's or perl's?	09:43
luke-jr	(??{ inline perl code ftw })	09:43
luke-jr	johnx: extended is POSIX too, I think just flippign the \ on stuff	09:43
johnx	yeah, but it gets you some additional things if I recall	09:43
johnx	which means there are at least 4 in that list	09:43
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luke-jr	+1 Perl6 regex are totally different	09:44
luke-jr	+1 Python has a variant	09:44
DocScrutinizer	\o/	09:44
luke-jr	+1 ECMAScript too	09:44
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johnx	yeah	09:44
DocScrutinizer	emacs	09:44
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luke-jr	+1 does SRGS count as regex?	09:44
luke-jr	(SRGS is W3c standard)	09:44
luke-jr	(based on XML)	09:44
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luke-jr	anyhow, night	09:45
johnx	'night luke-jr	09:45
DocScrutinizer	o/	09:45
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DocScrutinizer	thought python has Perl regex	09:46
DocScrutinizer	s/.o.\Ko/Ö/	09:48
DocScrutinizer	s/o/Ö/	09:48
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: thÖught python has Perl regex	09:48
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DocScrutinizer	whatever infobot is using, it's not working for any special chars in either match or subst string	09:50
DocScrutinizer	s/ing,/ing -/	09:50
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: whatever infobot is using - it's not working for any special chars in either match or subst string	09:50
DocScrutinizer	hmm, at least that	09:50
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DocScrutinizer	wonder if * also works	09:50
DocScrutinizer	s/*/ x /	09:51
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: wonder if x also works	09:51
DocScrutinizer	s/.*/ x /	09:51
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DocScrutinizer	test for \ (backslash)	09:52
DocScrutinizer	s/\/x/	09:52
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: test for x (backslash)	09:52
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johnx	I don't think infobot is actually using regex in the strictest sense	09:53
DocScrutinizer	nah, instr() or sth	09:53
johnx	or at least not any of the variants I know about ...	09:53
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johnx	infobot, what are you written in?	09:53
infobot	johnx: what are you talking about?	09:53
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DocScrutinizer	https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2241	09:54
DocScrutinizer	Infobot - Original Perl IRC Infobot	09:55
johnx	ah. yeah. kinda what I thought	09:55
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smooph	Jaffa: Hi you might remember me I tried to your transcode script ... but I had problems selecting the right audio track	10:04
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smooph	I now use --mencoder='-alang eng' but the script fails with "Unable to get movie info."	10:05
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smooph	Jaffa: which is strange because the same command in the shell works ... it seems like the script produces an error there	10:10
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DocScrutinizer	are you sure this shouldn't be '--alang=eng'	10:34
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DocScrutinizer	or, if -a means apend, then maybe '-a"lang eng"'	10:35
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smooph	DocScrutinizer this works ... so I assume its correct "mencoder -o n900_tvs-swtcw-18p-bd-dl-112.mkv -srate 44100 -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=0:br=192 -af volnorm=1 -ofps 23.976 -vf-add crop=1800:1080 -vf-add scale=800:480 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=2000:aspect=800/480:turbo -alang eng -ffourcc FMP4 -force-avi-aspect 1.66666666666667 tvs-swtcw-18p-bd-dl-112.mkv"	10:39
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, yup	10:40
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smooph	and one thing I thought might be the problem is the way it is parsed but when I execute jaffa s script with --mencoder='alang eng' the mencoder command misses the "-" before alang so I guess I used it correctly	10:43
DocScrutinizer	echo -e '#!/bin/sh\necho $@ >&2\/usr/bin/mencoder "$@"' >/usr/local/bin/mencoder	10:43
DocScrutinizer	echo -e '#!/bin/sh\necho $@ >&2\n/usr/bin/mencoder "$@"' >/usr/local/bin/mencoder	10:43
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DocScrutinizer	oh yep, shell vars containing sth starting with a minus might actually get tricky	10:44
DocScrutinizer	esp -a is AND sometimes	10:46
DocScrutinizer	shell scripting is so full of dark mouldy corners	10:47
smooph	jaffa told me I should use -m from his script like this -malang -meng but that just starts the episode	10:48
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DocScrutinizer	dunno, never looked ito the script. I suggest a ``set -vx''	10:49
DocScrutinizer	...at start of script	10:49
DocScrutinizer	then see where the parameter gets crippled	10:50
smooph	well I acctually think if I find the time and jaffa cannot help I will learn some pearl and add language selection to his script	10:50
DocScrutinizer	pearl??	10:51
DocScrutinizer	:-o	10:51
smooph	perl :D	10:51
DocScrutinizer	icky enough	10:52
jonwil	I have decided to learn ARM assembly by reverse engineering some of the Nokia proprietary PulseAudio blobs	10:52
DocScrutinizer	I just looked into ibot's Perl source... cough	10:52
smooph	thats what I thought :D but I have a friend that thinks perl is awesome and he is probably up for a little project	10:52
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smooph	I mean the whole script is only 750 lines ... so it "shouldn't" be too hard	10:54
DocScrutinizer	hmm, set -vx prolly doesn't work for Perl :-P	10:54
DocScrutinizer	omg 750 lines? :-o	10:54
jonwil	no-one is interested in knowing the inner workings of the Nokia pulseaudio binaries? :P	10:56
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edheldil	smooph: usually when I start writing some little proggie in Perl I regret it later when it grows over 100 lines of code	10:57
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smooph	yeah but as far as I can tell its not advanced perl like from perlmonks ... its just written in perl ... and by looking over it I understand most of what its supposed to do sometimes I don't get the expression but thats what my friend is for	10:58
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jonwil	aha, now I see why the nokia pulseaudio modules are closed, they link to libbmeipc	11:00
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lardman\|home	morning	11:02
crashanddie	achipa, I can't really be arsed about naming conventions to be honest. Whether it's .pri or .pro doesn't _really_ make a difference, not more than what you want that difference to make	11:05
crashanddie	In my case, I don't give two coins about .pri or .pro, so you can have your religious wars about the naming, and you're also free to just submit a patch to rename it :)	11:05
lardman\|home	Qt project file?	11:06
crashanddie	aye	11:06
* lardman\|home votes for the "o"		11:06
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DocScrutinizer	jonwil: sure I'm interested	11:08
crashanddie	http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/external-includepaths.pro	11:08
crashanddie	lardman, ^	11:08
DocScrutinizer	moo crashanddie	11:08
crashanddie	moo DocScrutinizer	11:09
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: anyway check what's already disclosed @ http://meego.gitorious.org/	11:10
DocScrutinizer	:-D	11:10
jonwil	yeah I intend to use meego info to help with reverse engineering this stuff	11:10
DocScrutinizer	who am I to tell you	11:10
jonwil	but none of the meego stuff will not be correct for Fremantle though since all these closed libs link to libbmeipc	11:11
jonwil	something which Nokia is unwilling to share a dev package for	11:11
DocScrutinizer	you got a verbatim statement saying so?	11:11
lardman\|home	jonwil: I also had troubles with aqualung, will need to do some debugging, or perhaps write my own (need time though)	11:11
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jonwil	I got Aqualung to start but when I ran it, it didnt do anything on the function I tried to use it on	11:12
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jonwil	I do like APU	11:15
jonwil	I do like APIs that use opaque structures	11:15
jonwil	like PulseAudio	11:15
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RST38h	Good object oriented design, isn't it? :)	11:15
jonwil	yes	11:16
* RST38h cackles evilly		11:16
jonwil	first library on the list is libnokia-common.so	11:16
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ieatlint	wait, did someone actually just say they like the pulseaudio api?	11:17
RST38h	yes	11:17
* ieatlint shakes his head		11:18
DocScrutinizer	I guess there were some <sarcasm> tags missing	11:19
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jonwil	nope, I like it because its going to be easier to reverse engineer	11:20
jonwil	thanks to the opaque objects	11:21
DocScrutinizer	how's that?	11:21
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* RST38h wonders why one would need to reverse engineer PA		11:21
jonwil	the nokia binary blobs	11:22
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: because Nokia in their eternal wisdom decided to do blobs for it	11:22
jonwil	The reason the blobs appear to exist is due to the blobs requiring libbmeipc	11:22
jonwil	which is a library that for some strange reason Nokia refuses to publish a -dev package for...	11:22
DocScrutinizer	where you got that from?	11:23
RST38h	Just create your own, new, better audio API!	11:23
jonwil	where you got what from?	11:23
jonwil	The libraries require libbmeipc because I can see it in the binaries	11:23
jonwil	they link to it	11:23
DocScrutinizer	Nokia refuses to publish a -dev package for...	11:23
jonwil	oh ok	11:23
jonwil	well nokia hasnt published a libbmeipc-dev package anywhere	11:23
DocScrutinizer	this might change	11:24
jonwil	change why?	11:24
jonwil	meego?	11:24
DocScrutinizer	to use bme in e.g. meego	11:24
DocScrutinizer	also freeing mce would need that .h iirc	11:25
ieatlint	hah, the newest N9 rumour says it's not a 1.2ghz snapdragon, but a 1.2ghz intel atom	11:26
ieatlint	http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/20/nokia-n9-to-bust-loose-with-meego-on-moorestown-power/	11:26
DocScrutinizer	plus I wonder how dsme is talking / listening to bme, without libbmeipc.h	11:27
Corsac	ieatlint: you're late :)	11:27
MohammadAG	ieatlint, I can confirm it's an OMAP3	11:27
ieatlint	i was busy today :P	11:27
Corsac	ieatlint: it's from yesterday	11:28
Corsac	MohammadAG: omap3?	11:28
lardman\|home	MohammadAG: can you now....?	11:28
ieatlint	by whose clock?	11:28
MohammadAG	OMAP*, don't want to spread more rumors	11:28
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ieatlint	it's 1:30am where i am... as far as i'm concerned, it's thursday until i wake up	11:28
lardman\|home	ieatlint: ours	11:28
lardman\|home	;)	11:28
lardman\|home	it's an OMAP5! Yay!	11:29
ieatlint	MohammadAG: you should spread more	11:29
ieatlint	tell people it'll be running ppc arch chips from motorola	11:29
MohammadAG	it's actually OMAP :p	11:29
jonwil	I dont think even Nokia has a finalized set of hardware for their first MeeGo phone	11:29
DocScrutinizer	NO IT'S SNAPDRAGON	11:29
jonwil	or if they do, they have multiple different meego phones in development with different hardware specs	11:30
ieatlint	jonwil: they do ... or at least, a near-final revision of it	11:30
SpeedEvil	It's Xeon.	11:30
DocScrutinizer	i7-mobile	11:30
ieatlint	i hear it's actually going to just be a bunch of chinese people doing math quickly	11:31
DocScrutinizer	yeah, the chinese dwarfs - they got bored in the tools bag of those yamaha bikes	11:32
ieatlint	it'll be extremely low power, but with a short lifespan... they'll be easy to replace though	11:32
jonwil	as for DSME talking to BME, the bit of DSME that talks to BME is dsme-thermalobject-surface. This is LGPL as a separate package but with a dependancy on libbmeipc (so it cant actually be compiled without those headers)	11:33
DocScrutinizer	WTF???	11:33
DocScrutinizer	I think that's a pretty good lever to get libbmeipc.h	11:34
RST38h	OMAP666	11:34
jonwil	its not one file, its at least 3, bme_extmsg.h, client_ipc.h and em_isi.h	11:34
ieatlint	what's DSME?	11:35
RST38h	Powering Satan's favorite cell phone	11:35
jonwil	device state management entity	11:35
DocScrutinizer	mhm, good. So open up a ticket against DSME and ask for them	11:35
ieatlint	RST38h: i have a friend whose new phone number has the prefix 666... that'd be perfect for them!	11:35
DocScrutinizer	hah, my city prefix is 911	11:36
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DocScrutinizer	perfect for me :-P	11:36
ieatlint	DSME sounds like nokia software	11:37
jonwil	yes	11:37
jonwil	Device State Management Entity	11:38
jonwil	so although its LGPL, all the code was written by Nokia	11:38
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: I think you can open a ticket on bmo, toss in the link URL to dsme-thermalobject-surface. And request the missing *.h, naming them as precisely as possible	11:38
ieatlint	which means nokia can re-release it under any licence... additionally, the only people who can make L/GPL claims are those who are licence holders	11:38
ShadowJK	Omap3, one die shrink smaller from the one in N900, clocked at 1GHz, 512MByte RAM. :P	11:38
ieatlint	so nokia isn't going to threaten to sue themselves	11:38
jonwil	MeeGo has the same DSME code pointing to the same non-existent libbmeipc headers	11:39
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summel	isnt there a dropbox client for the n900? oO	11:39
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SpeedEvil	summel: As I understand it, dropbox requires a binary x86 blob	11:40
summel	:D	11:40
summel	err	11:40
summel	:S	11:40
summel	ill continue to use the webpage then	11:41
SpeedEvil	Or not	11:41
SpeedEvil	http://maemo.org/packages/view/dropn900/	11:41
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: query stskeeps, he might know some details not common to the public	11:41
summel	ah ty :)	11:41
summel	ah -devel still... then i wait for it :)	11:42
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: also poke tekojo as soon as he joins in here	11:42
summel	and the app that checks for free radio frequencies is also in -devel, right? :o	11:42
summel	that should have been built in from the start anyways :D	11:42
ShadowJK	That app uses the FM receiver	11:43
ShadowJK	iirc	11:43
ShadowJK	it'd made more sense to let the fmtx do it	11:43
ShadowJK	(the chip is capable of it, but it's not exposed in the driver)	11:43
DocScrutinizer	which arguably is the better concept	11:43
summel	:o	11:43
DocScrutinizer	nope, as FMTX has no decent antenna	11:43
* ShadowJK wonders which method provides better roaming for car radio :)		11:44
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DocScrutinizer	the best concept however is to search a free frequency on your radio you want to 'pair', then wobble FMTX and analyze acoustic feedback from mic, to autotune N900 FMTX to the freq of your radio	11:45
summel	:o	11:45
ShadowJK	RDS radio will autotune once it gets close enough :D	11:46
DocScrutinizer	perfect usability	11:46
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: you can avoid/disable that, on TX side	11:46
lardman\|home	hey chaps, if I do this and the device doesn't exist, or cat can't be found will the CMDLINE variable still be created?: CMDLINE=`cat /proc/cmdline`	11:47
ShadowJK	No but it's great, if you have an empty frequency finder driving frequency hopping during your drive, the car radio automatically keeps up and changes frequency	11:47
lardman\|home	I think yes	11:47
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DocScrutinizer	that's actually also a great concept. I thought you had objections to the wobbling/searching	11:48
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: ^^^	11:48
DocScrutinizer	morning tekojo	11:48
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DocScrutinizer	tekojo: you had a look into bug 8347 yet?	11:49
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available	11:49
ShadowJK	heh	11:49
DocScrutinizer	tekojo: for DSME which is disclosed since quite some time, there are missing a few .h so it's not buildable for maemo. Do you think we can get this straightened?	11:50
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tekojo	DocScrutinizer: the opening queue would be the best place, I don't really know where to start	11:53
tekojo	and seems like I the cell broadcast is hard, no idea who did and and where they are now	11:53
jonwil	ok, so filing a license change request for the headers in question then?	11:53
DocScrutinizer	hmm, DSME already is opened	11:53
jonwil	DSME is open but it links to header files Nokia didnt publish	11:54
tekojo	are the missing headers in DSME or something it depends on?	11:54
jonwil	its in a dependancy	11:54
jonwil	DSME needs libbmeipc headers	11:54
DocScrutinizer	(also I think the whole opening queue got stalled)	11:54
DocScrutinizer	tekojo: [2011-01-21 10:33:22] <jonwil> as for DSME talking to BME, the bit of DSME that talks to BME is dsme-thermalobject-surface. This is LGPL as a separate package but with a dependancy on libbmeipc (so it cant actually be compiled without those headers)	11:54
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tekojo	bme, I can almost certainly say that it will be a no go	11:54
DocScrutinizer	[2011-01-21 10:34:50] <jonwil> its not one file, its at least 3, bme_extmsg.h, client_ipc.h and em_isi.h	11:55
tekojo	but you can try with the queue	11:55
ShadowJK	I think it's more about the communication that goes on between the opensource components and bme	11:55
jonwil	yes	11:55
jonwil	we dont want libbmeipc or bme	11:55
DocScrutinizer	tekojo: we're not asking for bme source, just for headers for the lib to listen to signals from bme. This got RE'd for mer long ago	11:56
ShadowJK	(just the headers to build dsme?)	11:56
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tekojo	jonwil: I understand, but those headers are in there	11:56
jonwil	yes just the libbmeipc-dev package	11:56
jonwil	as it were	11:56
tekojo	I'll try to find out who to ask, but anything bme related has always been a problem	11:58
SpeedEvil	Thanks!	11:59
DocScrutinizer	yes. I know. But I thought the whole point about *.h is do give the interface without disclosing anything about the actual code behind it	11:59
DocScrutinizer	tekojo: anyway many rhanks :-)	11:59
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tekojo	DocScrutinizer: yes, it would be the sensible thing, but it was never easy	12:00
DocScrutinizer	thanks even	12:00
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jonwil	as for cell broadcast, I cant see anything happening to it unless someone (either publicly or under NDA) is able to study libsms code and csd-sms code, which wont happen given that D	12:02
jonwil	given that Fremantle is EOL	12:02
DocScrutinizer	as I suspect there's maybe no such thing like a libbmeipc-devel pkg, I suggest somebody has a short look at those 3 *.h to see if there's _anything_ inside them that's any problematic, then just dump them to $RANDOM at gitorious	12:02
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jonwil	DocScrutinizer, I doubt its that simple	12:02
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chem\|st	grmlfz	12:02
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chem\|st	still no info on my device from d4mn insurance company	12:03
* chem\|st is feeling naked...		12:03
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ShadowJK	i know that feeling	12:03
ShadowJK	what happened to it+	12:03
chem\|st	wheatbeer-coke-mix	12:04
ShadowJK	lol	12:04
jonwil	The "powers that be" are going to be concerned about allowing 3rd parties to interface with BME because of the potential to screw things up and cause dead handsets (or worse overloaded batteries that could explode)	12:04
jonwil	well I would guess they are	12:04
ShadowJK	I've heard of wheatbeer and, uh, sprite?	12:04
chem\|st	I am that \|\| close to order a new one without insurance pr4nk!n9	12:04
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chem\|st	coke is even worse as it got 3% phosphoricacid	12:05
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: tekojo: that's a moot argument. We know bme can't get messed up via libbmeipc interface	12:05
chem\|st	would have no issues with a sticky device... but acid burned µchips wont last long	12:06
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DocScrutinizer	tekojo: jonwil: and even IF there were any calls documented in that *.h that had potential to do "bad" things to bme, we happily accepted Nokia to discard these lines of code, prior to disclosing it	12:08
DocScrutinizer	though I'm absolutely sure there aren't any	12:08
ShadowJK	Actually, charge rate gets throttled during charge on over temperature, but we don't know where that decision comes from, whether it's bme that independently decides to do it, or whether dsme tells it to... But anyway, stop bme and the thermal throttling goes away entirely either way :]	12:09
chem\|st	ok report has been sent to insurance comp. yesterday, fingers crossed...	12:09
SpeedEvil	chem\|st: your warranty covers accidental damage?	12:10
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: then OTOH throttling isn't a 'bad thing'	12:10
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jonwil	FYI, libbmeipc is still referenced by code in meego and the headers are still missing there	12:11
chem\|st	SpeedEvil: nope, a friend of mine accidentially knocked over his glas, so his insurance covers	12:11
ShadowJK	No it's not, but from writing an opensource bme replacement point of view, we aren't able to talk to the other maemo components, and we can't provide dsme with thermal data and we can't receive orders from dsme (if dsme actually does send orders, who knows)	12:11
DocScrutinizer	Nokia's arguments why bme can't get disclosed always been: IP (moot for .h), safety (exploding battery - moot for a checked and maybe cleaned .h)	12:11
chem\|st	took about 1 month to get a request to send in the device	12:12
chem\|st	response time is about a week at least and that makes me suffer	12:12
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: yep, that's why we need those *.h files	12:12
SpeedEvil	And it's swapped for an 'equivalent' device - a n97	12:12
chem\|st	no	12:13
DocScrutinizer	even DSME can't build though it's foss now	12:13
jonwil	Anyone who thinks the N97 and N900 are in any way "equivalent" should have their head examined	12:14
DocScrutinizer	sure we could RE a libbmeipc.h, from scrutinizing libbmeipc.so ABI and the calls to libbmeipc in e.g dsme. But that's stupid as there's no reason for Nokia not to disclose the original files	12:15
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jonwil	Thats like saying a Jeep Wrangler and a Jeep Cherokee are "equivalent" because they both are made by Jeep and because they both have <list of features>	12:16
chem\|st	jonwil: cut-off, there is no other penalty	12:16
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psycho_oreos	I'd sue the insurance bastards, that's what they do best, try to undervalue the damaged/affected equipment/s as to minimise their losses	12:17
DocScrutinizer	jonwil: please remember my suggestions of above - talk to stskeeps. He looked nto meamo4 bme stuff very very deeply, for mer	12:18
DocScrutinizer	there might still be some helpful bits to be found in mer sources	12:19
DocScrutinizer	also stskeeps knows about pitfalls and relations/details that are hard to RE	12:19
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ShadowJK	http://gitorious.org/mer-toggles/hald-addon-bme/trees/master	12:22
DocScrutinizer	:-D	12:23
DocScrutinizer	yes, exactly that one	12:23
ShadowJK	ftd protocol, iirc :)	12:23
DocScrutinizer	plus what's inside stskeeps' head	12:23
ShadowJK	Whether it works in maemo5, no idea :D	12:23
ShadowJK	iirc that thing was done without any "secret" info	12:23
DocScrutinizer	almost	12:24
ShadowJK	hm?	12:24
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DocScrutinizer	iirc stskeeps got a liitle help from Nokia on that	12:32
DocScrutinizer	just a lil bit	12:33
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MohammadAG	achipa, nope, still can't find the disable packaging step :)	12:41
MohammadAG	otherwise, the new sdk's nice	12:41
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BluesLee	hi, "ps -ef" shows me that a lot of processes have two instances, hildon-home, camera-ui, hildon-desktop, browser, calendar etc etc	12:42
BluesLee	what is the reason for that?	12:43
MohammadAG	dsme i guess	12:43
DocScrutinizer	hi BluesLee - long time no see	12:44
BluesLee	that means its normal	12:44
BluesLee	hi DocScrutinizer	12:44
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DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: it's the hildon-launcher	12:44
DocScrutinizer	whatever it's real name	12:44
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DocScrutinizer	check your /usr/bin, you also have two executables for each of those processes	12:45
BluesLee	okay, thats a sufficient answer	12:45
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DocScrutinizer	it's some lib preload stuff, similar to what they do for KDE	12:46
w2fang	hi, what's the difference between dpkg -i and pkgmgr install-file ? I have a deb file can be installed with dpkg but failed with pkgmgr, get error message "is not a user package"	12:46
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: i tried to run dvb-t on my n900 without success so far	12:46
DocScrutinizer	hmm, probably hard to find any source for the driver needed	12:47
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: it looked promising but i have very little knowledge about the linux kernel and how things work	12:47
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BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: i compiled the modules and i am able to load them	12:47
DocScrutinizer	mhm, so what's happening?	12:47
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: i wonder which instance generates device files like /dev/dvb	12:48
DocScrutinizer	does it fail on h-e-n hostmode?	12:48
DocScrutinizer	the driver usually	12:48
DocScrutinizer	afaik	12:48
BluesLee	no, it doesnt	12:48
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BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: the firmware is loaded	12:48
DocScrutinizer	then you need mknod	12:48
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=921378&postcount=20	12:49
DocScrutinizer	you should be able to tell from your PC	12:49
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BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: what do you mean with "to tell from your pc"?	12:50
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: i use a script which generates all the device nodes with mknod	12:51
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: i tried mplayer and vlc player, the latter does not load dvb channel files, the first crashes when it searchs for frequencies	12:52
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: do i need special dvb support for the used power kernel or is it enough to use the default one + compiled modules	12:52
DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: (from tmo) I don't think the kernel driver has any idea about ~/.mplayer/channels.conf	12:53
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: maybe there is a single command line to use directly a frequency, i will google it	12:54
ShadowJK	isn't channels.conf just a channel - frequency mapping file or something	12:55
BluesLee	ShadowJK: yes it is	12:55
DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: if that file is for kernel to config things with the dvb stick, then for sure it needs to libe in e.g /etc	12:55
DocScrutinizer	not in user's home	12:55
DocScrutinizer	live*	12:56
BluesLee	ShadowJK: if i say "mplayer dvb:\\channel1" channels.conf is used to check if channel1 exists and so on	12:56
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: i can check tha immediately	12:56
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DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: check what the files in /dev look like on your PC. Check if there's a script somewhere in postinstall of the pkg that creates these. Try to mknod the files on N900 with same parameters	13:00
summel	http://fun.drno.de/pics/self-charger.jpg	13:00
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DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: also a bit longer history of syslog in that tmo post would help a lot. I see a strange new device showing up on USB after driver got loeaded	13:01
DocScrutinizer	I'd like to compare that with any previous device that's maybe also the dvb-stick	13:02
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BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: here is the script http://pastebin.de/14061	13:03
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, so why do you ask ""<BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: i wonder which instance generates device files like /dev/dvb""	13:05
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BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: i mean that on my pc the devices are automatically generated	13:06
ShadowJK	it's generated by udev automatically	13:06
ShadowJK	on your desktop	13:06
DocScrutinizer	yep, probably	13:06
BluesLee	and there is no udev for maemo?	13:07
DocScrutinizer	sure there is	13:07
DocScrutinizer	you just need to add the rule	13:07
BluesLee	okay, where are the rules located?	13:07
DocScrutinizer	/etc/udev/*	13:07
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BluesLee	hmm, i can not see a rule for dvb or similar on my pc	13:09
DocScrutinizer	just run the script manually	13:10
DocScrutinizer	for now	13:10
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DocScrutinizer	I'm much more concerned about [32276.534576] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=14aa, idProduct=0222	13:11
DocScrutinizer	AFTER [32276.193572] dvb_usb_dtt200u 1-1:1.0: usb_probe_interface	13:12
jonwil	ok, so the answer seems to a "no" to the SMS stuff (i.e. getting access to libsms and csd-sms) and a "slim chance" for the libbmeipc headers.	13:12
DocScrutinizer	hmm, who gave that answer? link?	13:13
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DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: please paste the previous ""New USB device found, idVendor="" line in your syslog/dmesg	13:14
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Jaffa	Morning, all	13:18
MohammadAG	morning Jaffa	13:19
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Jaffa	smooph's gone. Bah. Anyway, he should've used "-m-alang -meng". tablet-encode doesn't put the '-' in automatically.	13:19
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BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: here is the latest one http://pastebin.de/14063	13:20
jonwil	the answer is based on what tekojo said earlier (being that he was going to punt the libbmeipc request to the right people	13:20
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jonwil	its also almost certain that Nokia won't want to put the work in to open up the source for libsms/csd-sms (which is the minimum that would be required for CBSMS)	13:22
jonwil	last comment of bug 10870 seems to confirm that thought	13:24
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10870 Open source libsms and libsms-utils	13:24
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: vendor and product looks okay for me	13:25
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DocScrutinizer	jonwil: 10870 is missing any reference to 8347 and SMS-CB	13:40
DocScrutinizer	and mentionng notmynokia wasn't the smartest move I guess :-P	13:41
jonwil	no but 10870 implies that they wont be willing to touch the mess of legacy code in the Fremantle telephony stack	13:41
DocScrutinizer	they won't because they see not a single requirement. 8347 would have been such a requirement	13:42
jonwil	maybe	13:42
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smooph	hello guys ... is there a way to see if my headphone button creates an event ? I guess something like xev but for the n900 ...	13:54
smooph	Jaffa: I now use --mencoder='-alang eng' but the script fails with "Unable to get movie info."	13:55
lardman\|home	bbl	13:56
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frals	smooph: 12:19:43 < Jaffa> smooph's gone. Bah. Anyway, he should've used "-m-alang -meng". tablet-encode doesn't put the '-' in automatically.	14:01
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smooph	thanks frals I think I already tried that but lets see	14:02
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smooph	wonderful it seems to work thanks again	14:04
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smooph	somebody some info on my other question .... button event of headset to accept calls or adjust sound ?	14:09
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jonwil	anyone here know which bits of the n900 handle audio routing?	14:27
jonwil	Is it just the binary pulseaudio blobs that handle it?	14:27
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jacekowski	wow	14:59
jacekowski	i've just seen another n900 user	15:00
nid0	huh, so the US is testing some massive area gps jamming tech for the next month then	15:00
lardman\|home	?	15:01
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: In the flesh?	15:01
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jacekowski	what is happening next month?	15:01
nid0	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/20/unavailabe_gps_warning/	15:02
jacekowski	speedevil: yes in a flesh	15:02
nid0	FAA warning that GPS over like thousands of square miles will be "unreliable" till feb 22nd, and asking pilots to report disruptions so they can "determine the extent of degradation"	15:02
SpeedEvil	I vaguely recall the diameter stated in the NOTAM is approximately the same as the 'spot beam' This is a high power - comparatively - dish that can - at least - send high power M-code to an area of operations.	15:02
SpeedEvil	The shape of the NOTAM would be more or less consistent I think with them pointing the spot beam at one point on the earth, and meaconing from it.	15:02
SpeedEvil	From something I just typed in another channel about this	15:03
MohammadAG	<jacekowski> i've just seen another n900 user <-- I've seen 10	15:04
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jonwil	ok, for wlan signal strength, you would need to find out whether the kernel driver and wifi firmware provide that information to userspace and go from there	15:25
jonwil	no idea how one would go about that	15:25
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SpeedEvil	ssh root@phone cat /proc/net/wireless	15:27
SpeedEvil	Inter-\| sta-\| Quality \| Discarded packets \| Missed \| WE	15:27
SpeedEvil	face \| tus \| link level noise \| nwid crypt frag retry misc \| beacon \| 22	15:27
SpeedEvil	wlan0: 0000 87. -38 -93. 0 0 0 0 0 0	15:27
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jonwil	ok, so the info is already there and someone just has to write a status bar widget? Great, something to take off my list :)	15:29
SpeedEvil	Or put on	15:30
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ShadowJK	is the gps thing related to the new constellation?	15:34
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user_	hi	15:41
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user_	im about to buy a microsd. wondering whether class 10 would be fully supported on the n900	15:42
user_	cant find a clear answer on google	15:43
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: It's related in that the jamming is probably only available ew to the new birds	15:43
SpeedEvil	user_: The n900 gets 13.0M/s on my cheap kingston card. (read)	15:43
SpeedEvil	1G	15:44
user_	ok thanks	15:44
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user_	what class do u use?	15:46
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* ShadowJK gets more speed out of Sandisk class 4 than Kinngston class 10 in the "real world" anyway		15:46
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user_	i wonder if anything higher than 4 makes sense	15:47
Jaffa	frals: Thanks for responding to smooph :-)	15:47
user_	so q13mbit ps on cr4?	15:47
ShadowJK	Well it depends on what you want it for	15:47
user_	meego dualboot	15:48
user_	or nitroid. not sure yet	15:48
ShadowJK	heh	15:48
ShadowJK	in that case: they all suck horribly, some harder than others	15:48
user_	hm which one would u recommend?	15:49
ShadowJK	not sure	15:49
user_	135 bucks for 16gb sandisk class 10 :S	15:50
ShadowJK	that's a fullsize card	15:50
ShadowJK	sandisk doesn't make class 6 or class 10 microsdhc	15:50
user_	oops ur right :)	15:51
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ShadowJK	of course, ebay will sell you a "Sandisk" class 16 if you want	15:52
user_	heh in some store atm	15:53
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ShadowJK	I've been benchmarking cards for how they might perform as OS card	15:54
ShadowJK	they all suck quite horribly, but kingston stands out as crappier and sandisk seems to scale nicer	15:54
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ShadowJK	it probably has more onboard cache ram and a more sophisticated cpu/software	15:55
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user_	hm class 2 is the only thing they got	15:56
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user_	ok thanks ill try to get a 4	15:58
user_	later :)	15:58
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]	dotblank are you about?	16:13
dotblank	yea	16:14
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MohammadAG	ShadowJK, in your tests, was class 10 good as swap?	16:19
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]	i haven't had a chance to build my own virtual build environment this week, so haven't made any progress compiling phoneme. had any luck compiling midp2?	16:21
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Marcus	Hi guys, I am having some trouble. I flashed my n900 (first emmC and then rootfs) and for some reasons all the images on the n900 are corrupt?	16:23
Marcus	It felt like the regular flash of the rootfs went _very_ fast	16:23
Marcus	Like 5seconds or so.	16:23
SpeedEvil	should do	16:24
SpeedEvil	maybe more like 15	16:24
Marcus	Nope, not that long.	16:24
Marcus	I will try to redownload the rootfs .bin and try it again ._.	16:24
Marcus	It is very wierd.	16:24
MohammadAG	if an image is corrupt it doesn't flash afaik	16:26
Marcus	Well, it almost feels like it pops up (using flasher in CMD) and then disappears immediatly.	16:26
Marcus	Does it sound like a bricked device? Even though it boots up?	16:27
* GAN900 chokes reading the Atom N9 thread on Talk.		16:27
GAN900	Pure gold.	16:27
Marcus	image files seems corrupt, and every text is like squares []	16:27
MohammadAG	sounds like windows being itself - retarded	16:27
MohammadAG	GAN900, should i waste my time and read it?	16:28
Marcus	Windows as in Gates? Indeed.	16:28
* Marcus enjoys his ArchLinux desktop.		16:28
MohammadAG	gotta study, cya :P	16:28
Marcus	Have fun!	16:28
Marcus	:P	16:28
MohammadAG	yeah, fun.. right	16:28
Marcus	Exactly.	16:28
* MohammadAG closes xchat - will probably get bored and start it in less than 10 mins		16:29
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Marcus	Now this is more like it.	16:30
Marcus	Cheers, it seems like it works. Even though on the wiki it says you don't need to replug the USB, it seems like I had to.	16:32
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GAN900	MohammadAG, it's pretty entertaining.	16:42
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RST38h	GAN: You are saying it like if you were studying to be a zoologist	16:46
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hirabayashitaro	hi everyone!	16:50
hirabayashitaro	I was wondering if an improvement of the contacts for fitting more fields of the vcard format is planned. Anyone knows anything about it?	16:51
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]	does anyone have the time to have a go at compiling the current version of phoneme_feature? either that or can anyone point me at a good guide to building your own sdk environment on a pc in relatively newbie-friendly terms? I have a spare hour tonight to set it u	16:57
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andre__	[DrkGUNMAN-N900], http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html	17:10
achipa	crashanddie: it's a nomenclature, not religion, you're supposed to keep it for the same reasons you keep headers in .h(pp) and sources in .c(pp)	17:10
crashanddie	whatever floats your boat I guess :)	17:13
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jacktheripper	is tracker-extract popping up during video recording just my problem here ?	17:15
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jacktheripper	I think this is what causes dropped frames	17:15
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jacktheripper	happened only once o.o	17:19
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javispedro	mooo	17:39
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RST38h	moo javispedro	17:42
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javispedro	I wonder why I cannot browse to the AngryBirds download page in store.ovi.mobi, while I can in store.ovi.com	17:56
javispedro	So to download it I have to get the angry birds id # from the ovi.com store (23158) then put it on the ovi.mobi store url.	17:58
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javispedro	no wonder I only ever visit the site once per year	17:59
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GAN900	Hilariously unusable.	18:02
flat`	i want angry birds seasons to my n900 :<	18:03
shamus	has anyone tyred a version of ScummVM with the Mohawk engin on a tablet and dose myst work?	18:06
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kerio	wait, myst runs on scummvm?	18:07
shamus	Myst has been able to run in the SVN version of ScummVM since last December.	18:07
* lcuk peeks in		18:07
shamus	posted in 2010 ish	18:07
kerio	cool	18:08
shamus	http://clone2727.blogspot.com/	18:08
shamus	http://insidethelink.ortiche.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page	18:08
shamus	the question is will it work on maemo	18:09
shamus	and how well	18:09
luke-jr	I would assume so	18:10
luke-jr	Myst required what? 100 MHz?	18:10
shamus	the quacktime is the issue i would think	18:10
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luke-jr	still, it's ancient	18:11
luke-jr	realMyst would be a nice feat	18:11
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shamus	my n800 woiuld explode if you tryed to do realMyst on it as 8x0 still has no workign 3d drivers :-(	18:13
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lcuk	WANTED: (serious request) Macro photos of your monitor taken with your phone. http://bit.ly/hxYJxS #rt #meego http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/28473859623620610	18:16
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shamus	but yeah ill defidenlty be keeying an eye on mohawk will be nice to be finaly able to play myst agin and hoply on an n800 n810 or n900	18:19
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MohammadAG	lcuk, but... why.	18:21
lcuk	to confirm a hypothosis about something	18:22
lcuk	i want to see just how focusable things are with phone flat on the surface	18:22
MohammadAG	you want the phone stuck to the monitor?	18:23
lcuk	yes	18:23
lcuk	flat onto the screen	18:23
lcuk	then see if you can macrozoom/focus as much as possible	18:23
flat`	ding	18:23
MohammadAG	nice hypothesis :P	18:23
MohammadAG	does a phone monitor apply as a monitor?	18:24
lcuk	MohammadAG, flat surface	18:24
ZogG	lcuk, got my photo?	18:24
MohammadAG	also, does fcam manual qualify?	18:24
MohammadAG	manual focus*	18:24
lcuk	I would suggest your desktop, but the flash overwhelms it	18:24
lcuk	yes, whatever you can do	18:24
lcuk	to get the clearest shot possible	18:24
ZogG	lcuk did you got it?	18:24
lcuk	ZogG, on the forum?	18:24
ZogG	twitter check mentions	18:25
lcuk	i am following you, no	18:25
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MohammadAG	N8 is interesting	18:26
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MohammadAG	N86*	18:26
lcuk	well post them! http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=16230#post16230	18:27
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eichi	hello	18:27
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eichi	does the maemo5 messanger based in libpurple?	18:27
ZogG	lcuk strange	18:27
* javispedro releases yet another fm rx app, cfmradio, to extras-devel		18:28
eichi	want to port an pidgin plugin	18:28
MohammadAG	javispedro, gtk?	18:28
javispedro	(this is the app I use so it's customized to me, the audio routing tests have been crippled so that noone blames me for damaging his device)	18:28
javispedro	MohammadAG: obviously. sub-second launch times.	18:28
ZogG	http://twitter.com/#!/ZogG/status/28481821998063616 lcuk	18:29
* lcuk ponders whether I am actually following you		18:29
ZogG	http://twitpic.com/show/large/3s1pgh	18:29
lcuk	that would explain it!	18:29
luke-jr	eichi: no	18:29
ZogG	lcuk i think you unfollowed as i'm flooding in russian a lot of bullshit	18:29
lcuk	now the question comes did I believe you when you said you did not post english often	18:29
luke-jr	thank God. libpurple is terrible :P	18:29
ZogG	i don't post english a lot =(	18:29
lcuk	ZogG, did you actually take that picture with phone touching your screen?	18:30
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lcuk	(thanks by the way!)	18:30
ZogG	oh, you wanted it to touch it?	18:30
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lcuk	ZogG, yes please	18:31
lcuk	I am trying to see just how much in/out of focus it is	18:31
MohammadAG	javispedro, yay	18:32
MohammadAG	lcuk, I got "open" showing	18:32
* MohammadAG uploads		18:32
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lcuk	ZogG, white twitter client are you using? that looks swish	18:33
lcuk	which	18:33
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lcuk	eichi, yes I believe so	18:36
ZogG	lcuk hotot	18:37
MohammadAG	lcuk, refresh post	18:38
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MohammadAG	err	18:38
MohammadAG	meego forums don't resize images	18:38
* MohammadAG giggles		18:38
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ZogG	http://hotot.org/ lcuk actually it's cool. geoplugin, uploading pics if you want, plugins with simple and nice ui	18:38
lcuk	ZogG, it looks it :)	18:39
ZogG	lcuk though i like my theme (that it comes with) more than screenies on website. what distro do you use btw	18:40
lcuk	ZogG, whats it written in? the reflections look nifty and similar to something MohammadAG has been tinkering with	18:40
MohammadAG	http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=16235&postcount=4 lcuk	18:40
MohammadAG	yes it's my first post :P	18:41
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lcuk	awesome MohammadAG :) and starting with openness :)	18:42
ZogG	lcuk emm Hotot, is a lightweight & open source Microblogging Client, coding using Python language and designed for Linux.	18:42
MohammadAG	oi, all my apps are open :P	18:42
ZogG	lcuk, the funny thing they released win7 version	18:43
lcuk	MohammadAG, lol	18:44
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ZogG	?	18:45
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ZogG	MohammadAG \o/ nice thing, what monitor do you have btw	18:46
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ZogG	i have 23 and font is small but still the picture looks blur	18:46
MohammadAG	achipa, sure about the tip you gave me on the forums? :P	18:47
MohammadAG	ZogG, LED screen, 15" :P	18:47
ZogG	MohammadAG there are no LED screens	18:47
MohammadAG	maximum brightness (which is a lot - quite blinding at night)	18:47
ZogG	threre are LED backlight or how is it called	18:47
ZogG	i have 23" LG flatron Wide	18:47
MohammadAG	don't get into technicalities with me :P	18:47
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ArGGu^^	is there application that handles the playing of ringtones, sms alert and email alerts that can be used on own application?	18:48
ZogG	MohammadAG yes i heard about your fail with hubs =()	18:48
ZogG	usbhubs*	18:48
ArGGu^^	I mean if want have alert sound in my application like email alert	18:48
MohammadAG	LOL	18:48
ArGGu^^	do need use phonon or something to play alert	18:49
ZogG	lcuk, http://twitpic.com/3s246y	18:49
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lcuk	ZogG, its hard to get device to focus all the way down, I have been looking at this for a while, that is the point of the thread	18:49
ArGGu^^	or could I just example play the email alert with dbus call	18:50
ArGGu^^	or something like that?	18:50
lcuk	ZogG, are you not a member of meego.com?	18:50
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]	if there was a way of manually focussing the lens it would help. Autofovus goes do far then snaps back to blurry	18:51
ZogG	lcuk are you mindreader just wrote about it	18:51
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lcuk	ZogG, did you take down the first picture?	18:53
ZogG	lcuk btw how do you feel about not appropriate lang?	18:53
ZogG	lcuk down? what you mean - i re did the experiment and uped new picture i'm gonna post	18:54
lcuk	well if it is Russian, I don't really know difference do I	18:54
lcuk	ZogG, leave others up too, its not whether its perfect, its as many examples as possible	18:54
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ZogG	lcuk i mean in english	18:55
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ShadowJK	MohammadAG, in my tests the class rating of the card seemed mostly irrelevant to swap performance	18:57
ZogG	MohammadAG, did i advice you http://www.webupd8.org/ ?	18:57
ShadowJK	MohammadAG, basically the class rating is stupid, and there were class 2 cards that were faster than class 6 cards, but also class 10 cards that were faster than some class 2 cards...	18:57
ShadowJK	It's probably the FTL algorithm and the MCU capabilities that matter more than the class rating	18:58
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ShadowJK	things that no manufacturer publishes, and Kingston is evne know to put random ones in their cards depending on what's cheapest/available at the time	18:58
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lcuk	ZogG, normally, no - why?	19:00
kerio	faster-than-light?	19:01
kerio	:o	19:01
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lcuk	kerio, faster than light through Pb	19:01
kerio	Pb?	19:02
ZogG	lcuk just asking, as i don't tweet a lot in english i would consider not to use that kind of lang as i do tweet in english =)	19:02
ShadowJK	FTL = Flash Translation Layer	19:02
lcuk	ZogG, heh	19:02
MohammadAG	ZogG, ?	19:03
ZogG	MohammadAG ?	19:04
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, heh, was thinking of getting a 1GB class 10 or whatever the highest class was and using it as swap	19:04
MohammadAG	what's the link?	19:04
ZogG	lcuk i just do swear a lot in russian and in english, even in hebrew =) but also i do respect other people who don't like it so i do it less than	19:05
ShadowJK	1G don't come in class rated	19:05
ZogG	MohammadAG it's nice news about ubuntu releated news, as you are ubuntu user i would recommend you. i use it to find out new apps with nice ui as well =)	19:06
ZogG	i would say it, but i think meego forums < TMO =)	19:06
lcuk	ZogG, please continue swearing like a fucking trouper	19:06
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lcuk	trooper even	19:07
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ZogG	lcuk as you are the only one my english speaking follower i need to respect you =)))	19:07
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ThreeM	got my N900 replacement with dust on screen :(	19:08
ThreeM	3rd device within a week... damn nokia	19:08
pupnik	dust in screen?	19:09
ThreeM	a black point on screen	19:09
ThreeM	no pixel error just dirt	19:09
pupnik	can you wipe it off?	19:09
ThreeM	its IN the screen.	19:09
pupnik	ok	19:10
ThreeM	between screen and the surface	19:10
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]	still got dust in mine after the fixed the problem with vibrate	19:10
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]	tempted to fix it myself	19:10
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ZogG	ThreeM, i got a lot of dust and dirt in pokets aspecially as i'm smoker and all the tabaco from packages, but never got dust there, you should change it, and not clean	19:11
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ThreeM	im just going to change the screen from the defect N900 (reboots all the time) to the Dusty one and send the old N900 back to amazon	19:11
ThreeM	N900 issnt relly hard to deassemble	19:12
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lcuk	no, but a black spot appears on the screen the first time you do	19:12
lcuk	(joking of course :P can you take a picture of the spot	19:13
ZogG	lcuk, hey, no discrimination here, dustspot, not black spot =)	19:13
ZogG	ThreeM yes, as you have two N900, put one close to others screen and take photo =)	19:14
ThreeM	hehe	19:14
pupnik	maybe the repair man is also smoker	19:14
ThreeM	its about 2x2 pixel	19:14
ThreeM	i dont know if the N900 cam can get it :)	19:15
ThreeM	only visible when you are on bright background... so for a internettablet its worse to have a dark dust spot on sceen	19:15
ThreeM	right in the midlle......	19:15
ZogG	check the log about close up photos	19:15
lcuk	ZogG, different thing	19:16
lcuk	i actually want an in focus pic of his repeated problem	19:16
lcuk	was the spot in the same place each time?	19:16
ThreeM	its defently dirt	19:16
ThreeM	when you push gently on screen you see the spot moving a bit	19:17
ThreeM	die display itself is fine.... just poor build quality	19:17
ZogG	it tickless	19:17
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pupnik	Sometimes it's not easy to fire the right people	19:18
pupnik	always an information problem	19:18
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ZogG	haha someone just tweeted " i have TV with Linux and it got freezed" =)	19:21
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ThreeM	ive got also a tv with linux	19:23
ThreeM	every samsung tv has it .)	19:23
pupnik	didn't know this	19:24
ThreeM	there is also alternative OS Modification for it	19:24
pupnik	any hacked / flashable OS?	19:24
ThreeM	Samygo or gosamy :)	19:24
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ThreeM	www.samygo.tv	19:25
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ZogG	pupnik hey, you did love pornophoniques, didn't you?	19:30
pupnik	not really, but they were better than i thought they would be	19:30
ZogG	i actually love them	19:30
ZogG	the lyrics are pretty funny	19:31
ZogG	sad robot song is pretty awesome	19:31
ZogG	they are free to download	19:31
ZogG	and you just have bad taste =P	19:31
* ZogG xmms2> Way Out West - We Love Machine ["We Love Machine"]		19:32
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kerio	itune> Jocko Homo - Devo ["Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!"]	19:34
pupnik	hah ++	19:35
ZogG	kerio itunes? what? buuuuuuuuu	19:35
pupnik	they had a point about devolution	19:36
* ZogG sterilizing himself from any apple stuff		19:36
pupnik	i've never even seen itunes	19:36
pupnik	all good pop music is written before you turn 30 years old	19:37
pupnik	:)	19:37
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ZogG	pupnik i was bitten by itunes once and took medications like for 4 months =)	19:38
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pupnik	heheh	19:38
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pupnik	now i have stupid 'Sad Robot' song in brain	19:39
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ZogG	pupnik it's not stupid	19:40
ZogG	at least when we think about him he is not said anymore	19:41
pupnik	heheh	19:41
pupnik	reminds me of the old Asimov stories	19:42
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ZogG	Asimov, he sounds familiar and russian	19:43
ZogG	is in't in Alice in the future or somwething like that	19:43
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pupnik	all of Science fiction echoes asimov	19:44
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ZogG	once russians were cool, but nowdays..... ehh	19:49
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MohammadAG	huh	19:53
MohammadAG	mycontacts is closed source?	19:53
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ZogG	MohammadAG, ping	20:11
MohammadAG	pong	20:11
MohammadAG	trying to get an offline/online contact notifier	20:12
ZogG	MohammadAG does last cssu includes any usb, battery or releated patches?	20:12
MohammadAG	no	20:12
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ZogG	MohammadAG i updated and recetly it doesn't charge from wall charger	20:13
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ZogG	MohammadAG it starts to charge and than it says stop charging)	20:14
MohammadAG	not related	20:14
MohammadAG	:p	20:14
MohammadAG	I didn't patch anything related to that	20:14
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eichi	is there a patch for infinity battery?	20:15
eichi	or a cheat	20:15
MohammadAG	yeah	20:18
MohammadAG	convert it to a nuclear battery	20:18
ZogG	i actually have ot infinity batetr but it stoppes charging even the battery is empty	20:18
ZogG	charges from USB normally	20:18
ZogG	never happened to me	20:18
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ZogG	funny as Nokia doesn't support phone anymore can i come to them and ask for replacement (let's say for N9)	20:19
luke-jr	what phone?	20:19
luke-jr	I agree with MohammadAG on infinite battery cheat.	20:20
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luke-jr	it's just too expensive	20:20
MohammadAG	luke-jr, I have my ways	20:20
luke-jr	and idiot countries regulate it too much	20:20
ShadowJK	N9 doesn't exist yet	20:21
luke-jr	"zomg bombs have the word 'nuclear' in them too!"	20:21
MohammadAG	ShadowJK,	20:22
MohammadAG	at least it doesn't exist to us too :P	20:22
ShadowJK	and Nokia Care couldn't care less about whether a device is supported or not	20:22
MohammadAG	who's developed on telepathy before	20:22
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MohammadAG	Nokia care fixes anyways	20:23
MohammadAG	doesn't give out replacements/renewals	20:23
luke-jr	what if it exploded?	20:24
ShadowJK	It's not like they fix anything either, they just send it off to some third party repair shop, who then orders replacement device from nokia and bills nokia for it (if it's under warranty)	20:24
MohammadAG	luke-jr, MeeGo boom	20:25
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ZogG	MohammadAG but it's kernel bug, how they would fix it with no updates =)	20:26
MohammadAG	it could be a hardware problem	20:27
ZogG	http://i.imgur.com/yAfVM.jpg	20:27
ZogG	MohammadAG it never happened to me before actually	20:27
MohammadAG	hardware problems usually start	20:27
BCMM	... soon after the end of warranty?	20:35
MohammadAG	indeed	20:37
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MohammadAG	umm	20:40
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MohammadAG	how do I do the hildon notifications (like SMS ones) in Qt?	20:40
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johnsq	Hi	20:58
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* GAN900 is out of books he feels like reading.		21:14
lcuk	GAN900, back catalogue of playboy is quite interesting	21:14
lcuk	for the articles of course.	21:14
GAN900	lcuk, of course.	21:15
lcuk	though noticing the hairstyle changes is amusing	21:15
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shamus	hum i wonder how well rama will work on a tablet might be fun to play that agin and it works under dosbox	21:22
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RST38h	reMoo	21:24
shamus	it's a Sierra SCI game so it might even run under scumvm	21:25
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ZogG	ку зщщ	21:27
RST38h	ZogG: If you are talking to me, no Unicode here.	21:28
ZogG	no i forgot to switch	21:28
ZogG	i said re pooo	21:28
ZogG	anyway it's so stupid to use battery only with software	21:29
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fcrochik	MohammadAG: ping	21:30
shamus	pong	21:30
MohammadAG	pong	21:30
ZogG	pang	21:30
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ZogG	double pung	21:30
fcrochik	MohammadAG: what are you looking for? the telepathy/qt code?	21:31
MohammadAG	yeah	21:31
pupnik	shamus: rama any good? i suspect a cheapo myst-style adventure	21:31
MohammadAG	I actually got the hang of it, except the first uint	21:31
ZogG	and i'm looking for women and fame	21:31
shamus	it was prity cood myst like been ages since i have palkyed it	21:31
MohammadAG	which holds contact number or something like that, got no idea how to get name from it	21:32
RST38h	ZogG: How is the Promised Land tonight?	21:32
ZogG	nothing promising here	21:32
fcrochik	MohammadAG: let me see if I can find the code that matters.... do you have an email I can send to?	21:32
MohammadAG	mohammad7410 (at) gmail (dot) com	21:34
ZogG	haha Mohammad is really that common name	21:34
pupnik	shamus: The Last Express really blew me away if you want to try an adventure game... just recently became downloadable http://www.dotemu.com/en/the-last-express	21:36
ZogG	http://pit.dirty.ru/dirty/1/2011/01/21/29918-213810-b62dc3457407c01c281669b2a1081716.jpg -lol	21:36
shamus	lol cute pic zogg	21:37
pupnik	there is a scummvm engine in development as well so it might soon be playable on n900	21:38
pupnik	if you have trouble running in dosbox i can help	21:38
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javispedro	hey pupnik	21:38
joga	hmm? scummvm already works on n900	21:38
* shamus has a n800 but underpowred but having two ful size sd card slots is handy		21:39
* joga didn't read far		21:39
javispedro	pupnik: saw you around the gp32x forums asking for the dosbox dynrec.	21:39
javispedro	pupnik: on the n900 it is enabled but it is not as slow because it seems that thumb is plain slow on the n900	21:40
javispedro	s/it is not as slow/it is not as fast :)	21:40
fcrochik	MohammadAG: just sent you an email with what I think is all the code to handle the "online accounts" window on mycontacts.	21:40
javispedro	pupnik: ah, also it is enabled for n8x0.	21:41
fcrochik	MohammadAG: feel free to email me back if I am not here	21:41
pupnik	javispedro: i compiled with the interleaved thumb and am getting 40% speed increase over the normal core	21:41
javispedro	hm..	21:41
pupnik	iow without it ~3000 cycles before sblaster dropouts, now 4200-5000	21:41
pupnik	that's @ 1ghz	21:42
pupnik	but i saw you mentioned you used it also	21:42
javispedro	yeah, I'm nowhere near that.	21:42
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javispedro	I used the one that does not require interworking though	21:42
RST38h	javispedro: thumb is good when running it from slow memory (16bit too)	21:42
RST38h	javispedro:OMAP3 is too good for it :)	21:42
javispedro	RST38h: yeah, unfortunately, long ago I tested a non-thumb one done by the same person -- and ended up with similar performance.	21:43
javispedro	hm..	21:43
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javispedro	pupnik: for curiosity's sake, if you have the time, could you test the non-thumb version (should be a matter of changing a few defines) in your platform?	21:44
pupnik	i don't even have good benchmarks - just testing with Wing Commander 1 and Ultima Underworld1 until i get sound dropouts	21:44
RST38h	Meanwhile: Health care and aeronautics industries agree that FCC should set aside bandwidth for dedicated remote patient monitoring system	21:44
MohammadAG	fcrochik, thanks!	21:44
MohammadAG	I'll have a look at it in a bit	21:44
javispedro	pupnik: me neither, I usually test it with win3.11 =)	21:45
fcrochik	MohammadAG: hope you will find what you are looking for. Do you mind me asking on what you are working on?	21:45
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MohammadAG	fcrochik, simple online notifier	21:46
ZogG	javispedro win 3.11 ftw	21:46
ZogG	i had one back on 386	21:46
MohammadAG	something to show a contact is online/offline with hildon	21:46
ZogG	MohammadAG, you should ask khertan	21:46
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ZogG	he made one with Qt for khweeteur	21:47
fcrochik	MohammadAG: why aren't you using mobility?	21:47
MohammadAG	ZogG, why? he never worked on telepathy	21:47
RST38h	http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_m0O2XlVi3Mc/TTnEDLljTTI/AAAAAAAACsU/a2RNTy1Z40w/s1600/dad.jpg	21:47
ZogG	or you don't know how to take it of telepathy	21:47
ZogG	MohammadAG, does it use same libs as pidgin ?	21:47
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ZogG	what is that? http://www.slideshare.net/kh_naba/integrated-communication-framework-for-gnome-elements-of-telepathy	21:50
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ZogG	MohammadAG, maybe this would help http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/spec/Account.html ?	21:51
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MohammadAG	fcrochik, moblity handles that?	21:52
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fcrochik	MohammadAG: yes.	21:53
slonopotamus	hmm	21:53
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slonopotamus	i thought freoffice is viewer only	21:53
fcrochik	MohammadAG: I had to use telepathy to start the calls... just to get the status mobility will do	21:53
fcrochik	MohammadAG: there isn't a mobility module for placing calls yet (I think)	21:54
MohammadAG	fcrochik, hmm, I'll have a look at it then :)	21:55
MohammadAG	(though I've always had bad luck with Qt Mobility, everything I wanted is buggy :P)	21:55
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fcrochik	MohammadAG: The contacts module on the n900 got much better.	21:56
mikhas	nonono, Qt Mobility is awesome ... because it comes from Qt!	21:57
ZogG	i'm awesome cause i am	21:57
mikhas	you got it, circular reasonings works because ... ;-)	21:58
MohammadAG	fcrochik, I tried the sensors API, too buggy for me	21:58
* MohammadAG looks at contacts		21:58
pupnik	not necessary circular - it might mean it is amazing that he hasn't stepped in front of a moving vehicle yet	21:59
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MohammadAG	fcrochik, so how does Qt Mobility handle telepathy if no counterpart exists on Symbian?	21:59
fcrochik	MohammadAG: it is all on the "backend".... On your application you don't know that you are dealing with telepathy... you just know that you are dealing with "online accounts" connected to your contacts	22:00
MohammadAG	yeah, but symbian has no backend :P	22:01
mikhas	useless abstractions remains useless	22:01
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ZogG	meego forums are really terrible	22:03
fcrochik	MohammadAG: The beauty is that your code will work regardless... you just won't find any online accounts when running on symbian... and the same code should work on meego w/o changes.	22:03
mikhas	fcrochik, where is the beauty in that?	22:04
mikhas	your. code. does. not. work. on. symbian	22:04
fcrochik	MohammadAG: it seems that the telepathy and specially telepathy/qt is suffering a big revamp... not sure if these changes will make to the n900	22:04
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fcrochik	mikhas: my code? you mean the mycontacts app?	22:05
pupnik	wow 320x240 video looks like mud nowadays	22:05
mikhas	I dont need library abstractions if it doesnt work on "all supported Qt platforms"	22:05
mikhas	better to just look for the best fitting library on every platform I want to support myself then, really	22:05
fcrochik	mikhas: in this case the telepathy will not either... "SOME" is a little better than ONE most of the time but I do agree with you that not all abstractions are good.... \	22:07
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nox-	is this a wifi driver bug? wlan0: driver reports beacon loss from AP cf1bb52c - sending probe request	23:18
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nox-	sometimes i get lots of those even tho it still is connected, and then only clicking disconnect and then connect stops them	23:19
nox-	& moin :)	23:20
pupnik	moin nox	23:20
nox-	moin pupnik	23:20
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BCMM	nox-: it sounds more like it just lost connection with the AP	23:26
BCMM	oh, didn't see that bit	23:27
BCMM	does it ever happen when you're close to the AP?	23:27
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nox-	yes the `ap' is maybe 2m away...	23:29
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BCMM	well, i guess it's a bug	23:30
nox-	ok thats also my guess	23:30
BCMM	of course, it could be in your router	23:30
BCMM	or in the firmware, rather than the driver	23:30
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nox-	nic firmware on n900?	23:31
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makulkar	Hi all, all libraries get into /usr/lib. Any special place for qtplugins? or I just copy them to same path and they would get picked up from there?	23:34
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mikhas	makulkar, look at /usr/lib/qt4/plugins	23:35
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makulkar	mikhas, thanks!	23:46
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Pauly	hi im using mameo5 sdk and wondering how come to nokia s60 font is used in the sdk browser web pages but on the real n900 other fonts are used?	23:50
Pauly	the^^	23:50
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Pauly	ok?	23:53
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MohammadAG	sure it's S60 and not your OS's font?	23:58
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