IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-01-21

makulkarMohammadAG, javispedro same error when i run as user00:00
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javispedromakulkar: did you do "su user" or similar to run as user? you probably lost your environment vars. run a terminal from the UI and run your app from there, or find as MohammandAG said00:01
MohammadAGmaybe it still exists00:01
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makulkarMohammadAG, where would that script be placed typically?00:02
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DocScrutinizeror do su -l user, or whatever might work on your device/OS00:02
MohammadAG/usr/bin/ on M500:03
makulkarMohammadAG, nope it isnt there.00:03
makulkaryes i did su -l user00:03
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KaffeeJunky123oh my god, what have I done00:04
KaffeeJunky123I have a wireless surveillance N900 cam00:04
KaffeeJunky123that I can use in skype00:04
* DocScrutinizer sighs, on general topic of meego-HE(_actually_maemo) on next device00:04
MohammadAGit flies?00:04
MohammadAGotherwise, it's not wireless :p00:04
KaffeeJunky123wasted hours trying to get this stuff to work...00:04
javispedroDocScrutinizer: nothing that you didn't know..00:04
KaffeeJunky123at first I had an outdated kernel module that wouldn't work with v4l2sink00:05
DocScrutinizeronly that now it becomes a fact00:05
KaffeeJunky123then I found out that v4l2sink was bugged00:05
MohammadAGif sudo gainroot still exists00:05
KaffeeJunky123and that a fork exists00:05
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MohammadAGyou might wanna try exec sudo gainroot --use-su00:05
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KaffeeJunky123and now I found out that for some unkown reason jpegenc only works via tcp but not udp00:05
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ieatlintalterego: you there?00:06
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: so we are facing two major OS migrations in the near future: first from m5 to m6-HE, which for sure will break all kinds of stuff (see above), and then again from m6 to true meego, which again will break all the shit00:08
DocScrutinizerI could easily live with only one of those killers00:08
javispedroDocScrutinizer: welcome to the club! you know the official answer: limit yourself to Qt.00:09
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: is alterego's app available for people yet?00:09
DocScrutinizerieatlint: how TF shall I know?00:09
ieatlintdunno :P00:09
ieatlintfigured it was worth a shot at asking00:09
MohammadAGwhich app?00:09
ieatlintyou're one of the people i've seen talking to him about it00:10
MohammadAGthat's been out for age00:10
ieatlinthah, i've not paid enough attention00:10
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* DocScrutinizer feels incredibly sick about m6-HE00:11
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* DocScrutinizer couldn't think of any better way to kill meego for good00:12
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DocScrutinizersome chair farts at Nokia still seem to think they're selling closed ecosystem phones, bothering more about continuity of user experience OOTB rather than about community and esp devels00:14
Trewasbig ship turns slowly, or sinks for that matter :P00:15
DocScrutinizeras if the most important thing was it's playing Nokia tune on power up00:15
javispedroit is!!!00:16
DocScrutinizer""sybian, maemo, meego, andridiot - WHO CARES? Does it play Nokia tune at startup? Fine then!""00:16
DocScrutinizerand of course ""will it work with OVI store?"" - sorry I forgot :P00:17
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MohammadAGandroid doesn't play Nokia Tune00:18
* MohammadAG giggles00:18
MohammadAGneither does MeeGo00:18
* MohammadAG giggles again00:18
HoxzerCan't see why people make such a big deal about OVI store. I have never used and propably never will.00:18
DocScrutinizerpfff, you don't know Nokia's flavour of meego yet00:19
KaffeeJunky123MohammadAG: you can patch android to play the nokia tune!00:19
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, oh, that plays an electric guitar version of the tune00:19
MohammadAGI'd actually be interested in an electric guitar version, Israel had one00:19
KaffeeJunky123will there ever be phonebill paying in ovi?00:19
* trip0 wonders if nokia is going to make an n9 announcement at MWC00:19
MohammadAGtrip0, yeah sure00:20
MohammadAGrelease @ MeeGo summit I guess00:20
KaffeeJunky123because they already got my phone number, so there's nothing new I'd give to them00:20
KaffeeJunky123but I won't give em my bank account data!00:20
trip0"we are announcing that the n9 will be delayed another 6 months"00:20
DocScrutinizerWith MEEGOoo..erxCHOUGH HE00:20
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MohammadAGdelays are TBA at announcement, please, don't fake the roadmap00:21
DocScrutinizerI couldn't care less about N900:22
MohammadAGI could, need MOAR RAM00:22
DocScrutinizererr, I *could* - if I got a promise they won't discontinue N900 on release of N900:22
MohammadAGI also want the electric guitar Nokia Tune00:23
MohammadAGI just remembered it, used to play on Nokia 6680 ads in Israel00:23
javispedroDocScrutinizer: isn't it discontinued already fwiw?00:23
* DocScrutinizer suggests MohammadAG records his own individual unique electric guitar Nokia tune00:23
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, got a guitar for me?00:24
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* DocScrutinizer drops a metric ton of PC synthesizers at MohammadAG00:25
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: offer the teenager next door a beer - he'll be happy to grab his guitar and play it for you00:26
MohammadAGmeh, all people I know have accoustics and classics :p00:26
DocScrutinizeruse a pickup then00:27
DocScrutinizerand a big muff00:27
trip0i don't think MohammadAG should be grabbing or playing any teenagers instruments00:27
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MohammadAGwhy's that? getting a guitar in march :p00:27
trip0that's how people get thrown in jail00:28
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MohammadAGtrip0, LOL00:28
lardman|homewhat pid does a process get if it's started from a shell script without an & ?00:29
GAN900MohammadAG, what sort of guitar?00:29
MohammadAGelectric, for the fun of it00:29
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javispedrolardman|home: a random one :)00:30
lardman|homereally? :(00:30
javispedrosame as with &00:30
javispedrothere should no difference from the kernel pov00:30
javispedrowithout & it's just adding a wait() call00:31
GAN900MohammadAG, cool.00:31
KaffeeJunky123DocScrutinizer: doesn't that thing just make your guitar sound like it's drenched in tons of mud?00:31
KaffeeJunky123+ overdrive00:31
lardman|homeI was hoping I could use a shell script for init and exec the android init if the button combo was correct00:31
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javispedrolardman|home: you want to look at exec then00:31
javispedrolardman|home: you can, that's a good idea.00:32
DocScrutinizerKaffeeJunky123: well, isn't that the appropriate sound for a Nokia tune? :-P00:32
MohammadAGthis is actually kinda cool
javispedrolardman|home: on a _sourced_ shell script exec will mean whatever is run gets the shell's pid (replaces it)00:32
lardman|homeis that a built-in or an e.g. busybox command?00:32
MohammadAGhas some dropped parts at the start, so meh00:32
javispedrolardman|home: builtin00:33
javispedrolardman|home: and since it's busybox, ignore the _sourced_ remark I made above ;)00:33
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javispedrolardman|home: that's how fremantle original "dualbooting" used to work -- a preinit sh script you can find on a N900 made some checks then exec'd init/upstart or showed the multiboot menu00:35
DocScrutinizerAdvanced Bash-Scripting Guide00:35
DocScrutinizerAn in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting00:35
lardman|homeyeah but this is not bash00:36
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lardman|homeand there are apparently differences00:36
DocScrutinizer( and backup-menu still works that way00:36
javispedroyou can find this script (preinit) in /sbin/preinit00:36
javispedro(if you want to learn by example :) )00:36
javispedro--> exec $CHROOT /sbin/init $def_runlevel <dev/console >dev/console 2>&100:37
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: there are. It's messybox, which basically has no external commands. Everything on messybox is "built-in"00:37
lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: that link is broken00:37
lardman|homejavispedro: my N900 is broken00:37
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DocScrutinizerlardman|home: sorry, this one's not: /home/jr/Desktop/downloads/abs-guide.pdf - but I guess it doesn't really help00:38
javispedro"This software, including documentation, is protected by copyright controlled"00:38
javispedroa 423 line propietary shell script.00:38
cehtehand he stole the first line already from all of my scripts :P00:39
lardman|homerunlevel required in that script?00:39
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javispedroeither way the only interesting bit is the exec line, and the android's init cmdline arguments might be different...00:40
javispedroand you probably don't need any chroot to invoke android's init.00:40
lardman|homeno I won't need chroot00:40
javispedro(in fact you don't need chroot for the n900 either, that $CHROOT must be for n8x0....)00:41
DocScrutinizerchroot? I always thought you're using pivot-root for that00:41
lardman|homethough I will need to e.g. switch_root away from the initramfs to /sbin/init of Meego00:41
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DocScrutinizerlardman|home: that's what pivot-root does00:42
lardman|homeI don't have the source for the Android init, but afaict it reads relevant info from the kernel command line proc entry00:42
lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: there's a difference though isn't there, not that I really remember what it is00:42
DocScrutinizerchroot creates child with a changed root env, while pivot-root operates on the system root00:43
lardman|homeand switch_root?00:44
DocScrutinizernever heard about it00:44
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lardman|homechroot allows you to change back, which I don't need00:44
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: this seems to explain why it uses chroot (also has pivot_root call a few lines above) :00:44
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lardman|homehmm, so is there a recommendation00:45
javispedrolardman|home: sounds like a script, you might be able to read it and see what it does :)00:45
lardman|homeswitch_root looked like it was what I needed00:45
DocScrutinizermeh, sorry folks, I am in a mood for RL now00:45
RST38hhello to whoever I have not yet helloed today00:45
javispedrohi RST38h00:45
lardman|homejavispedro: symlink to busybox I think00:45
lardman|homehi RST38h00:45
javispedrolardman|home: aaaaaaaaaaaaah makes sense.00:45
DocScrutinizerhi and bye00:45
javispedrocya RST38h  :)00:46
lardman|homecu DocScrutinizer00:46
javispedrocya DocScrutinizer =)00:46
lardman|homehmm, can't see anything useful in bootmenu*00:48
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m8m8Hi guys! I logged in to get some help, but now I don't need it, what a relief! Cellular data connection on my N900 ceaced to work for a whole day. Now i've discovered that my GSM provider had issues...00:53
MohammadAGfound the best Nokia tune :D
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: doesn't andridiot need a proprietary kernel, and that's why we got this multiboot abomination?00:53
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shamusso is the stable diablo-community-update stable? im still runing the stock nokia os the very latest should i update my n800 to the comunity and is it as easy as clickign the .install or do i need to reflash agin?00:54
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: even pivot-root won't switch the kernel00:54
DocScrutinizerlardman|home: you should check how to patch uBoot to empoewer it to boot up andridiot00:54
shamusor amd i already runign the comunity as i did instsal the rotation00:55
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: hmm - ok00:56
lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: replacing the bootloader is the next (rather large) step00:57
MohammadAGreplacing the what?!00:57
lardman|homebut for the time being I'd be happy to be able to boot Meego using the slightly abominated Android kernel00:57
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lardman|homebecause that also lets me boot Android, so the device is vaguely useful while I do this00:58
MohammadAGhonest question00:58
MohammadAGdoes anyone read license agreements on installs?00:58
lardman|homethe secondary bootloader is only 1MB, so not so much reverse engineering to be done there! :$00:58
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KilrooIs there a howto for uBooting nitdroid yet or is that still a task to make the uninitiated quail and cower in fear?00:59
KilrooMohammadAG: sometimes.00:59
lardman|homeMohammadAG: will do on yours from now on!00:59
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: yes00:59
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, even the 9-page+ long ones?00:59
MrBawbwhat about using kexec to switch to the droid kernel?00:59
* Kilroo goes back to trying to tether his n900 to his n8501:00
MohammadAGlardman|home, was installing the Qt SDK, and it came across my mind :p01:00
povbotBug 10261: MyNokia Terms and conditions of use on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect01:00
MohammadAGwow, lol01:00
lardman|homeMohammadAG: ;)01:00
MohammadAGoooh, shiny Qt Creator01:01
MohammadAGoh, Qt Quick01:01
* MohammadAG ponders having a look at that01:01
lardman|homedoes sh assume that /bin is in the path or do I need to explicitly set the PATH to include that?01:02
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DocScrutinizerMrBawb: should work, but same amount of work as fixing uBot to do it "natively" - just the usage pattern is different01:02
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DocScrutinizerlardman|home: sh assumes nothing, it inherits01:03
KilrooI have a newegg package being shipped to me via DHL/USPS. I am in North Carolina. It started in Tennessee. It has so far traveled via Misourri and Kentucky.01:04
lardman|homeand when it inherits from the kernel as it has pid 1?01:04
DocScrutinizershell never will have PID 1, except for very special usecases. See man sh, man init, etc01:04
KilrooSWEET! Orange is working!01:04
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lardman|homeDocScrutinizer: this is just such a usecase01:05
DocScrutinizerIknow, but cba to read the manpages for you01:05
* lardman|home reads01:05
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lardman|homeman init is not much use as it assumes init is the binary01:06
javispedrolardman|home: probably doesn't, PATH is usually set by login or similar process01:07
DocScrutinizerit actually is, as it also explains a bit about who's setting env etc01:07
RST38hset by shell, no?01:07
lardman|homeAfter init is invoked as the last step of the kernel boot sequence...01:08
lardman|homepretty final01:08
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DocScrutinizeras a general rule, don't assume anything in arbitrary shell scripts. there's nothing forcing PATH to be sane01:08
* lardman|home will just export PATH and be done with it :)01:08
javispedroaccording to that  manpage it will only inherit $CONSOLE01:08
javispedro(from the kernel initial environp)01:08
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lardman|homeInit sets the following environment variables for all its children:01:09
javispedrolardman|home: read the CONSOLE part01:09
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KilrooI still think it's bunk that General Protection Fault outranks Colonel Panic.01:09
lardman|homeso apparently it's the job of init to do that, so again I should make sure I do so01:09
javispedro" This is really inherited from the kernel"01:09
javispedro($CONSOLE only)01:09
lardman|homeconsole is not overly important as I can't see it on the device anyway01:10
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* MohammadAG sighs at Qt creator01:15
BCMMis there a page explaining what the contents of /sys/devices/platform/nokia-av/detect mean?01:15
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MohammadAGthere was a "skip packaging step", you had to remove it didn't you01:15
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MohammadAGoh nice01:17
MohammadAGthey broke existing projects01:17
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MohammadAGBCMM, 3 =  unplugged, 1 = headphones plugged01:18
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kpomanhello !01:18
kpomanonce again :p01:18
jonwilLooks like Cell Broadcast should be possible if I can figure out just whats going on inside libsms01:18
BCMMMohammadAG: is that all?01:18
MohammadAG2 will probably be headsets, 4 AV01:18
MohammadAGsecond two are a guess01:19
BCMMMohammadAG: huh, i'm getting three, and i can see a picture on the TV01:19
MohammadAGthere's the stock N900 (broken, can't test)01:19
MohammadAGand AV cable01:19
BCMM(well, on my computer through WinTV, but anyway)01:19
MohammadAGthen it's not related to TV out01:19
kpomanI just installed the sdk, it comes with the device emulator. but there are almost no tools there01:19
kpomanis theere a catalog to add or what ?01:19
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jonwilA working idapython install would be nice...01:19
MohammadAGQt SDK?01:20
MohammadAGit has everything you need to build a Qt app01:20
kpomanMohammadAG: to me ?01:20
MohammadAG:-1: error: Invalid Qt Creator install path.01:20
kpomanoh ... see I have x86 X running... I want to compile some app with sme libusb dependencies and SDL01:21
MohammadAGachipa, any ideas?01:21
MohammadAGthen you need scratchbox01:21
kpomanMohammadAG: what do I do01:21
infobothmm... maemosdk is
MohammadAGunless they're Qt01:21
kpomanMohammadAG: I do have all runnign ! I run the emulator right now.01:21
achipawha ? who ? whe ?01:21
MohammadAGI'm not sure I'm following :p01:21
BCMMheh, that was roundabout01:21
MohammadAGyou have a Qt?01:21
kpomanMohammadAG: I downloaded all and did all from this page:
kpomanMohammadAG: I run the Xephyr and launch the start script. I do see my fake device but no app on it.01:22
MohammadAGthat's not an emulator...01:22
BCMMrang phone from Skype, and heard the ringing come from my computer, via the capture card...01:22
kpomanonly the browser01:22
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MohammadAGwhat exactly do you want on it?01:22
BCMMperhaps that wasn't the simplest way to test a cable.01:22
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MohammadAGBCMM, heh01:23
jonwiljacekowski: you around?01:23
kpomanMohammadAG: I want to download maybe SDL with ttf and then copy my application and try to compile it, have the binaries and copy them to my real device see if it works01:23
MohammadAGyou need to switch to ARMEL to compile for the device01:23
MohammadAGsb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL01:23
achipaMohammadAG: there still is the skip packaging step if that's what you're after01:23
achipait just has some extremely silly name and is in an even sillier location01:24
BCMManyone got a link explaining the confusion about pin order on four-conductor 3.5mm TRS jacks?01:24
MohammadAGachipa, it's failing to compile all in all01:24
kpomanMohammadAG: yep ... it does autoselect the correct gcc and flags ?01:24
kpomanMohammadAG: and how do I download the dependencies there, apt-get ?01:24
BCMM(i've accidentally bought myself a spare AV cable for the n900 when i wanted one for a sony camcorder)01:24
achipaMohammadAG: errm, what are you compiling ?01:24
MohammadAGadd extras-devel01:24
kpomanMohammadAG: how do I do that01:25
MohammadAGachipa, my mediaplayer, used to compile fine on the old Nokia Qt SDK01:25
kpomansources.list ?01:25
kpomanlet me check what is there01:25
MohammadAGdeb fremantle free non-free01:25
achipaMohammadAG: is it in extras ?01:25
MohammadAGecho deb fremantle free non-free > /etc/apt/sources.list01:25
MohammadAGachipa, mediaplayer? no, it's on gitorious01:25
lardman|homehmm, does the kernel create a tmpfs which contains /dev ?01:25
kpomanMohammadAG: apt-get no such file or directory01:26
MohammadAGsure you followed the correct instructions?01:26
MohammadAGhave a look at01:26
kpomanMohammadAG: I only did what was in that link01:26
MohammadAGI don't really trust any other guides ;)01:26
javispedrolardman|home: the kernel can be configured to do so01:26
kpomanMohammadAG: on a ubuntu box01:26
MohammadAGsame, and apt-get works fine with those instructions ^01:27
javispedrolardman|home: "CONFIG_DEVTMPFS" if you can find whatever kernel config they used01:27
MohammadAGachipa, any way to get more verbose output?01:27
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achipaMohammadAG: a sec...01:27
kpomanMohammadAG: I am running sb login, then switch to armel01:28
lardman|homejavispedro: thanks, glad I'm not going mad01:28
javispedrolardman|home: being an android kernel, I suggest you get the patches they made to the kernel to avoid going mad =)01:28
javispedrojust in case they added wacky behaviour01:28
kpomanMohammadAG: there is something wrong here. If I autocomplete with TAB key, it finds apt-get ... if I type the command it says not found01:29
kpomanwhat is goin on there ?01:29
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* javispedro tries StarCraft2 on the lenovo...01:29
kpomanMohammadAG: I had to kill services because it was telling me "session not closed" is that the problem ?01:29
kpomanthen ?01:30
MohammadAGyou have to af-s(tab) stop01:30
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lardman|homejavispedro: it's a tarball, so I'll have to diff it against the vanilla kernel, then remove any arm patches from the diff, etc01:30
kpomanno such file or directory for everyting in there01:30
kpomando i need to reboot the machine :(01:31
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achipaMohammadAG: where is it breaking ?01:33
MohammadAGbefore building starts01:33
MohammadAGkpoman, no, just follow instructions in the wiki01:33
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achipa? worksforme, had to uncomment that silly pathline in the pro and that was it...01:33
MohammadAGProject ERROR: Invalid Qt Creator install path.01:34
MohammadAGThe process "/home/mohammad/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/targets/fremantle-pr13/bin/qmake" exited with code 2.01:34
achipa  p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  # Uncomment the lines as required.dF01:34
achipaholy copypaste madness01:34
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achipaanyway, says uncomment stuff in it01:35
* MohammadAG facepalms01:35
* shamus backups his home directory fully this time and feals like taking the plunge after all whats the worst that the stable version of Diablo_Community_Project could do to his n800 heck worse case i guess ill have to reflash01:35
MohammadAGthat file...01:35
achipaI don't think that's coming from qtcreator tho, you prolly picked it up someplace else01:36
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MohammadAGyeah, crashanddie added it to work around an issue01:36
MohammadAGforgot about it01:36
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MohammadAGone last thing01:36
achipa(as I tend to get bitchy when someone starts including .pro files :) if it's not a separate project, make it a pri so it's clear it's an include)01:37
MohammadAGis there a way to install dpkgs without extracting them manually?01:37
achipaxpkg -i whatever?01:37
MohammadAGheh, I tend to agree about .pri :)01:37
* MohammadAG finds01:37
MohammadAGnot hidden, at all :p QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg01:38
achipaevery goo dhacker looks there first, right ? :P01:38
MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg01:38
MohammadAGCan't locate in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg line 9.01:38
MohammadAGBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg line 9.01:38
achipaummm... I remember that...01:39
achipa(though at almost 2AM my mmery tends to fade)01:39
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MohammadAG1:39 here :p01:39
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wmaroneanyone here use dropn900?01:41
mikki-kunhm, can anybody tell me how i could add to my halfdone script --- for i in *.pdf; echo $i | sed s/L/Z:/g --- the mv command so my files get renamed?01:41
MohammadAGtrying to do what exactly? :P01:41
MrBawbnewname=`echo $i | sed s/L/Z:/g`01:42
MrBawbis that what you wanted?01:42
achipaMohammadAG: a@t410:~/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/bin$ ./mad ../madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg01:42
mikki-kuni want my L$BLA files renamed to Z:$BLA :)01:42
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achipamight be talking rubbish... eyes half closed01:42
MohammadAGsounds reasonable to me01:42
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MrBawbmikki-kun: for i in *.pdf; do mv $i `echo $i | sed s/L/Z:/g`; done01:42
MrBawbmight need some "s01:43
JartzaI'm trying to get a grip of QML01:43
* MohammadAG backspaces01:43
MohammadAGbeat me to it :p01:43
mikki-kunahhh ok, "do mv" :) it was then :)01:43
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kpomansorry MohammadAG  made a beer explode here and had to clean up the mess01:45
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MohammadAGbeer's too cool for me01:46
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kpomanlol heineken here in brazil is like water01:46
shamusalmost made a major mistake and tryed to make a backup with a custom theme01:46
Jartzaheineken is like water anyways :)01:46
kpomantoo bad I lost one bottle because of 2 previous ones :D01:47
Jartzawhat's common between Heineken and making love in a canoe?01:47
kpomani donno01:47
Jartza...they're both "fucking close to water"01:47
kpomanloooool :p ahahaha01:47
ShadowJKI've heard that before...about budweiser :P01:48
Jartzasame story :)01:48
kpomanall beers are here of that kind unfortunately :p01:48
kpomanno leffe01:48
kpomanno others of that kind01:48
kpomanetc... :(01:48
* ShadowJK likes unfiltered wheat beers01:49
kpomanguys every time I see that phone I love it more and more01:49
MohammadAGooh fuck01:49
MohammadAGnew Qt SDK removed my mediaplayer01:49
JartzaI like a lot of different beers, but not heineker nor budweiser :)01:49
kpomanI do develop lot of python and now want to port lot of software I did for that mobile device ... in particular biometric apps01:49
kpomanlike banking fingerprint authentication01:49
kpomanaccess control01:50
kpomanvery nice platform you did create there01:50
kpomanI just want to compile a demo app and sdk and then put the python in there :P01:50
kpomancongrats all the hardcore devs there ;)01:50
kpoman(beer speaking)01:51
Jartzahmm. ohh, ok.01:51
MohammadAGachipa, you sure about the part about disabling packages?01:51
JartzaI drew 2 rectangles with QML01:51
Jartzawell. that's a start :D01:51
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kpomanMohammadAG: my scratchbox is telling me command not found for everythin01:52
kpomanI thing I messed too much01:52
MohammadAGkpoman, I'm guessing you have them, but installation wasn't successful so there's no qemu01:52
MohammadAGso you're trying to run arm on x86, which naturally, doesn't work well01:52
kpomanMohammadAG: it seems more like a path error or whatever. after I did kill services and switched to armel I have those problems01:53
lardman|homedo I need to umount the devtmpfs and devpts before I exec the android init do you reckon?01:53
kpomanMohammadAG: the .sh script dont work, but the direct commands do01:54
MohammadAGdoes /usr/bin/apt-get say anything?01:54
shamuswow that was painless01:54
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kpomanMohammadAG: I am able to autocomplete the command, but when ran, it says no such file or dir01:55
MohammadAGARM on X8601:56
MohammadAGwrong arch returns no such file01:56
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kpomanMohammadAG: I did the sb-conf thing01:56
kpomansb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL01:56
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MohammadAGI know01:56
MohammadAGbut qemu's f'd for some reason01:56
MohammadAGrepeat installation01:57
kpomando you have an apt-get to install that on ubuntu ?01:57
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MohammadAGno, just follow ~maemosdk01:57
infoboti guess maemosdk is
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kpomanoops let see01:57
MohammadAGtwo scripts01:57
MohammadAGrun both01:57
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kpomanthe python script ?01:58
kpomanMohammadAG:  the x86 version works well02:00
kpomanat least launches the emulator02:00
kpomanand that link I gave you everything went ok02:00
MohammadAGX86 matches your CPU, so will obviously run fine02:01
MohammadAGno, run the 2 .sh files02:01
MohammadAGand it's not an emulator, it's running natively02:01
kpomanwhich sh files ? there are many ther02:02
MohammadAGthere are only 202:06
kpomanbut I already did download about 1GB of data... dont wanna do all that again for just a comma02:06
lardman|homehmm, well at least I know my init script was working, as I got into a reboot loop02:06
kpomanor whatever02:06
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lardman|homenight all02:10
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trxi'm trying to install qt into my scratchbox02:14
trxarmel target one02:14
trxi do fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-dev02:14
trxand it downloads the packages, and when it tried to install them, it fails, because it downloaded the i386 debs02:15
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trxhow can i tell it to download the arm packages?02:15
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MohammadAGsome conf in apt02:18
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MohammadAGread man apt.conf02:20
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javispedrotrx: did you something weird on your sdk setup like untarring the i386 rootfs on the armel target?02:25
javispedrogotta love the n9atom thread..02:26
* javispedro bookmarks for tomorrows' laughs02:26
trxjavispedro no, i havent messed with that02:26
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javispedrotrx: just to be sure, do "readelf -h /usr/bin/apt-get  | grep Machine". Expect "ARM" .02:27
trxMohammadAG it says : bash: read: `apt.conf`: not a valid identifier02:27
javispedro(in the armel target)02:27
trxjavispedro ill try02:28
trxit said Machine : ARM02:28
wmaroneidle speculation is always fun02:28
jonwildoes anything on the N900 grab things sent to syslog?02:29
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MohammadAGsysklogd if installed02:29
BCMMjonwil: by default, i believe not02:29
javispedrotrx: check what "dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH" sais02:30
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trxit says :02:32
trxUse of uninitialized value in split at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-architecture line 189.02:32
javispedroyour sb setup seems to be broken02:33
javispedrowhy are you using lenny either way?02:33
javispedroyou should be using etch, or the latest squeeze if anything02:33
javispedro(as devkit I mean =) )02:34
trxdont know really, this is what i got when i installed scratch box :)02:34
MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/ssu/vte] > ls /scratchbox/devkits/02:34
MohammadAGapt-https/    debian-etch/  debian-lenny/ debian-sarge/ doctools/     git/          perl/         qemu/         svn/02:34
javispedroMohammadAG: sb-conf show02:34
MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/ssu/vte] > sb-conf show02:35
MohammadAGCompiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm702:35
MohammadAGDevkits: perl debian-etch qemu doctools svn git02:35
MohammadAGCPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb02:35
javispedrosee. etch.02:35
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trxill change to etch then (hopefully)02:36
javispedrotrx: if someone or something messed your sbox setup, I suggest a reinstall02:36
trxyeah, that would be the best way, but it takes too long02:37
trxi only need to compile a lib02:37
trxwhich takes 2 min02:37
trxbut no, my sb has to be broken :/02:38
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MohammadAGcachcing scratchbox files = ftw02:38
MohammadAGI can install in 5-10 mins :)02:38
BCMMMohammadAG: caching how?02:38
* javispedro has not reinstalled sbox since the first time I got my n810..02:39
BCMMi mean, what sort of caching02:39
MohammadAGcopying /tmp, copying /var/cache/apt/archives02:39
MohammadAGcopying back on installation02:39
javispedroit's been there, on its own lvm lv and survived a few main OS reinstalls =)02:39
MohammadAGor make a custom script that does it for you02:39
MohammadAGI have scratchbox on a separate partition02:39
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trxok, with dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH i no longer get an error02:41
trxthats a start :)02:42
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javispedroI do not thin that will fix it per se.02:42
trxme too02:43
jonwilSo I want to install sysklogd from where?02:45
trxfrom the repos02:45
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jonwilok, I installed syslog but I am not getting any syslog messages02:56
jonwiland syslog is running02:56
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jonwilyes I see that02:58
jonwilbut its not putting syslog messages in there02:58
jonwilonly some kernel stuff02:58
jonwilI get plenty of kernel messages (which is not what I want)03:00
jonwilbut nothing at all from code I am sure is calling syslog/vsyslog03:00
jonwilduh, I dont think the 3G towers I am talking to are sending Cell Broadcast...03:14
jonwilyep, its confirmed. None of the networks in Australia send the Cell Broadcast location messages03:21
jonwilthe 3G ones at least03:24
jonwilso after all that work, it looks like A.There is unspecified Cell Broadcast related code in the n900 SMS libraries that may or may not do something usefull and B.even if it did something usefull, I have no way to test what it does because the tower doesn't send broadcast messages anyway03:26
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nox-i suppose you could package something up so others can test on other towers/operators?03:28
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jonwilI didnt have anything to package up. All I know is that there is code related to cell broadcast inside libsms but not what it does or where it sends the messages03:30
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jonwilwill add some more to the relavent bugzilla bug03:36
SpeedEvilHave you any useful testing others in regions that do CVS could do?03:37
jonwilI dont know of any 3G operator doing cell broadcast over 3G towers03:40
jonwilWill post the info I have in the bugzilla bug and let it go from there03:41
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lucentMohammadAG: how'd you set up scratchbox, what is the distro on your host computer?  I was unable to get it set up properly here following the SDK guides03:48
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jonwilok, comment added to bug 834703:58
povbotBug Cell Broadcast Feature not available03:58
jonwilNow I have to think of some other app/code to write for my N900 :P04:02
DocScrutinizerjonwil: my carrier definitely is sending CB-SMS on channel 22104:02
jonwilis this a 3G tower?04:03
lucentI have no 3G tower nearby to test with, sorry04:03
DocScrutinizernope, this is with a 2G Nokia 621004:04
DocScrutinizerbut that's no problem. I could force N900 to 2G anyway04:04
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DocScrutinizerAs CB-SMS is specified for 3G as well as 2G, I don't think there's a huge difference in how that's handled inside modem04:05
nox-that network info(?) tool btw already displays cellids04:05
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infobotDocScrutinizer meant: As SMS-CB is specified for 3G as well as 2G, I don't think there's a huge difference in how that's handled inside modem04:06
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javispedroI jus had a fscking kernel panic WHILE reflashing =)04:07
nox-ah no its called netmon04:07
DocScrutinizercell-id yes. But that's basically worthless04:07
nox-heh yeah04:07
DocScrutinizerbbl, out for a burger04:07
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jonwilIf we can get info/code (either from Nokia or reverse engineered by someone with more ARM skills than me) on just what libsms and csd-sms are doing with the Cell Broadcast messages and what needs to be built on top of that code to actually support SMS-CB on the N900, then we can find someone on a carrier where they can get a SMS-CB message04:07
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nox-at least there is and some unoffical(?) google apis to query their cellid db...04:09
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javispedrogreat, I just wanted to a boot a kernel, now it's fiasco reflash time04:13
* DocScrutinizer hands javispedro a cookie04:14
javispedrohum, I've noticed that the cherry thing (which I conveniently forgot to disable) does run without hildon-desktop04:15
javispedromeaning it's a perfect case to see how tear-free it scrolls.04:15
nox-that does sounds like some fiasco...04:15
nox-anyway im off04:16
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javispedrothank god it's friday tomorrow :S04:20
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DocScrutinizer51big king XXL - yummy05:02
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SpeedEvilrandom - I'm in the process of writing a tool to extract pricing information from the tesco grocery website, so I can sort by price. This is interesting, but is half of a useful idea. Does anyone know of a website that has a compatible licence - so I can take the list of recipies, and out pops a price/recipie?06:21
DocScrutinizerrecipe like "how to bake a cake"?06:26
SpeedEvilI want to be able to generate an app that can plan meals per couple of weeks, based on prices, and what you've got in stock.06:27
DocScrutinizerkiller app :-D06:27
DocScrutinizerI seem to recall there's been al annoying sorts of (C) and suing with recipes on the web06:28
DocScrutinizerhouse wives - worse than lawyers06:28
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DocScrutinizerknitting another similar domain06:29
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DocScrutinizerand programs for electronic stiching machines - OMG06:30
DocScrutinizerprobably worse a market than ringtones for mobile phones06:30
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DocScrutinizerI guess accessing arbitrary websites via wget or linking can't violate any (C)06:32
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DocScrutinizerthey may forbid redistribution, but not downloading and postprocessing in whatever way, as long as downloading with any one browser is generally allowable06:33
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DocScrutinizerembedding is a gray zone, but local processing in whatever way isn't illegal. Esp when you make user configure the URL to download the recipes from06:36
luke-jrmeh, if the webserver sends me the data, it's mine to use within fair use :P06:37
DocScrutinizerand a tool that requires user interaction to set up the particular URL in some config page - there's nothing anybody can do against that. Otherwise even wget would be illegal06:38
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DocScrutinizera wget that does special postprocessing to the data downloaded, that's perfectly allowable. Even if that special "wget" works only for one particular webpage06:40
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infobotxyawn is, like, big coffee06:44
DocScrutinizerhmm, k06:44
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jonwilhmmm, how do I send a SMS to someone not in my contact list...06:49
jonwilfound it06:53
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jonwilaha I see whats up, I need to figure out how to enable log_notice logging in syslog06:59
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jonwilnope, that isnt working, I cant get it enabled07:05
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: umm, did you try to increase loglevel, with dmesg ?07:36
DocScrutinizerjonwil: dmesg -n 10, or sth07:37
DocScrutinizerjonwil: just a wild guess07:37
jonwilisnt dmesg for kernel messages only?07:37
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jonwilok, so that wont give me the messages I want from the sms code07:39
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DocScrutinizerdmesg also sets the loglevel, dunno if only for kernel msgs or for general loger() calls07:43
DocScrutinizeranyway dmesg -n 10 also has effect for syslog07:44
DocScrutinizerit's a writetime parameter, not a readtime filter07:44
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DocScrutinizerumm no, scratch that07:45
DocScrutinizer              Set the level at which logging of messages is done to the console.  For example, -n  1  prevents  all  mes-07:45
DocScrutinizer              sages,  expect  panic messages, from appearing on the console.07:45
DocScrutinizerAll levels of messages are still written to              /proc/kmsg, so syslogd(8) can still be used to control exactly where kernel messages appear07:46
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DocScrutinizerso I guess you should check /etc/syslog.conf, jonwil07:49
jonwilI already tried that07:49
DocScrutinizer#       auth,authpriv.none;\07:51
DocScrutinizer#       news.none;mail.none     -/var/log/debug07:51
DocScrutinizer#       auth,authpriv.none;\07:51
DocScrutinizer#       cron,daemon.none;\07:51
DocScrutinizer#       mail,news.none          -/var/log/messages07:51
DocScrutinizerand this?07:51
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DocScrutinizerhmm, if only I could manage to not forget that friggin syntax of syslog.conf (and esp rsyslog.conf and syslogng and whatnot)07:57
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: On local processing - the whole point would be to have the entire database of recipies, and the entire database of prices, combined with a local stock system, to generate meal plans for the next 2 weeks for the minimum price.08:08
DocScrutinizerhmm, no problem either. Simply download the whole database and 'cache' locally08:09
DocScrutinizeryou just mustn't ship the dataset with your app08:10
SpeedEvilIt doesn't really work well if you require each user to slurp the whole site.08:10
SpeedEvilSites tend to fall over when you do that.08:10
DocScrutinizerhmm, so what else? I don't see any other solution, except find CC-recipes08:10
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SpeedEvilI was basically wondering if anyone knew of any08:12
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DocScrutinizerprobably the hosting of a CC database for recipes, similar to wikipedia, with a rating system, is the best part of the whole project ;-D08:16
DocScrutinizeryou could start with a hundered recipes you provide from $random locations incl your granny's recipe book08:17
DocScrutinizeryou'd have precise labels/names for the ingredients08:17
SpeedEvilIdeally I'd like a huge database of recipies, with nice 'codes' for ingredients and quantities.  So I don't have to try to parse what '1tsp onion' means.08:18
DocScrutinizerselectable from dropdown boxes or sth08:18
DocScrutinizeryeah, a free text recipe collection is probably hard or  impossible to parse08:19
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DocScrutinizerhosting your own db-based recipe collection and opening it up to download and support a web-API, that could pan out quite nicely08:20
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DocScrutinizeresp if you also offer a html frontend08:21
SpeedEvil is the closest I came up with - but their licence isn't sane08:21
DocScrutinizernothing LAMP couldn't do08:24
SpeedEvilThe problem isn't in many ways the app, it's the data.08:24
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jonwilWhat I want in an app is a shopping list app that lets me image the bar-code on a product and it gets added to my shopping list. Or able to select the product from a list if its not something with a bar-code (meat etc).09:12
jonwilThen when I am in the store, I can scan the item (and it gets removed from the shopping list and added to the list of stuff I bought) and key in the price09:12
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ieatlintsounds like you should write it then :P09:13
SpeedEvil jonwil09:13
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johnxI don't know if the barcode scanning is seamless enough to make that enjoyable09:14
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johnxhave you played with mbarcode at all?09:14
jonwilnope, havent played with it yet09:14
johnxI think you can write plugins for it09:14
jonwilTesco doesn't help me here in Australia I dont think09:14
SpeedEvilI love '21. You will not write applications that could be seen to          involve Tesco in certain genres of entertainment or business activity. These          include all illegal activities, and also include (but are not limited to):09:14
SpeedEvil        a. adult entertainment (sex),          '09:14
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SpeedEvilHow do you write a sex-based app around a grocery website API.09:15
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SpeedEvilI guess I'm just not perverted enough.09:15
* johnx raises his hand09:15
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johnxthink 'alternate uses for everyday objects'09:15
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RobbieThe1stjohnx: XD09:18
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Termanagood morning09:18
infobotxD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really funny smily face like :) but better09:19
johnxinfobot, infobot is not case sensitive09:19
infobot...but infobot is already something else...09:19
Sicelothanx johnx09:20
johnx~botsnack (even though I hate things that aren't case sensitive today ...)09:20
infobotjohnx: aw, gee09:20
* johnx needs to figure out how to make svn not accept filenames that are the same accept for case differences ... 09:21
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DocScrutinizerjohnx: isn't that the exact contrary to what you stated above?09:26
DocScrutinizerassuming s/accept/except/ in your post09:27
johnxwhy do you think I meant except?09:28
DocScrutinizerbecause otherwise the sentence doesn't parse for me09:28
johnxI want to make SVN not allow people to upload pic.jpg and PIC.jpg in the same directory09:29
johnxbecause it screws up when someone else checks out the project on a system that doesn't have a case sensitive FS (like Mac or probably Windows)09:29
DocScrutinizeryeah, that are the same EXCEPT for case differences09:29
johnxaaah, you meant the second accept09:29
johnxthat s/ statement only matched the first one :)09:30
DocScrutinizerI ignored the first one09:30
johnxI'd love to solve the root problem (that people are using case insensitive filesystems), but I think that might be out of scope ...09:31
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luke-jrIMO, filesystems probably should be a mix09:32
DocScrutinizerbtw I'd be interested in syntax for regex subst that would match the n-th occurrence only, like s/x/y/[3,2] or whatever09:32
luke-jrcase sensitive, but disallow names that differ only in case09:32
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johnxluke-jr, the devil is in the details09:33
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: are you nuts? disallow filenames at random rules? :-O09:33
DocScrutinizerhave fun with your scripts then!09:34
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: s/x.*x.*\Kx/y/;09:34
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DocScrutinizerduh, thanks!!09:35
DocScrutinizerthough it seems not entirely correct, I see the meaning09:35
luke-jrhow not?09:36
luke-jroh, maybe make .* into .*?09:36
DocScrutinizerthere's three x in the match pattern. Is this actually matching only 2 source-"x"?09:36
luke-jrit matches 2, then forgets everything behind it and matches the third x09:37
luke-jrreplacing the matched x with y09:37
DocScrutinizerI gather \K is same as ( ) in normal awk regex09:37
luke-jrit's a special form of (?<=x.*x.*)x09:37
luke-jrwhere (?<= … ) is a look-behind assertion09:38
DocScrutinizernow that I read your explanation09:38
luke-jrexcept (<= … ) form doesn't like variable-length stuff09:38
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DocScrutinizerthat look-behind stuff usually makes my head explode09:39
luke-jr\K form is much easier and I think faster09:39
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DocScrutinizerI seem to recall the look-behind may or may not be nonimplemented in particular commands / distris09:40
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: Perl regex are completely non-standard09:41
luke-jrit works in Perl and only in Perl09:41
DocScrutinizerat very least it's strongly deprecated for performance reasons09:41
luke-jrstandard regex don't support (…), but instead require \(…\)09:41
johnxtoo many flavors of regex make my head explode09:41
DocScrutinizerperl grep awk09:42
DocScrutinizerwhat else?09:42
luke-jrI love (?{…})09:42
luke-jrgrep at least uses POSIX regex standard09:42
johnxgrep has extended and basic, right?09:42
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johnxis grep extended regex actually the same as awk's or perl's?09:43
luke-jr(??{ inline perl code ftw })09:43
luke-jrjohnx: extended is POSIX too, I think just flippign the \ on stuff09:43
johnxyeah, but it gets you some additional things if I recall09:43
johnxwhich means there are at least 4 in that list09:43
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luke-jr+1 Perl6 regex are totally different09:44
luke-jr+1 Python has a variant09:44
luke-jr+1 ECMAScript too09:44
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* johnx 's head explodes09:44
luke-jr+1 does SRGS count as regex?09:44
luke-jr(SRGS is W3c standard)09:44
luke-jr(based on XML)09:44
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luke-jranyhow, night09:45
johnx'night luke-jr09:45
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DocScrutinizerthought python has Perl regex09:46
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: thÖught python has Perl regex09:48
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DocScrutinizerwhatever infobot is using, it's not working for any special chars in either match or subst string09:50
DocScrutinizers/ing,/ing -/09:50
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: whatever infobot is using - it's not working for any special chars in either match or subst string09:50
DocScrutinizerhmm, at least that09:50
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DocScrutinizerwonder if * also works09:50
DocScrutinizers/*/ x /09:51
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: wonder if  x  also works09:51
DocScrutinizers/.*/ x /09:51
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DocScrutinizertest for \ (backslash)09:52
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: test for x (backslash)09:52
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johnxI don't think infobot is actually using regex in the strictest sense09:53
DocScrutinizernah, instr() or sth09:53
johnxor at least not any of the variants I know about ...09:53
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johnxinfobot, what are you written in?09:53
infobotjohnx: what are you talking about?09:53
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DocScrutinizerInfobot - Original Perl IRC Infobot09:55
johnxah. yeah. kinda what I thought09:55
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smoophJaffa: Hi you might remember me I tried to your transcode script ... but I had problems selecting the right audio track10:04
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smoophI now use --mencoder='-alang eng' but the script fails with "Unable to get movie info."10:05
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smoophJaffa: which is strange because the same command in the shell works ... it seems like the script produces an error there10:10
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DocScrutinizerare you sure this shouldn't be '--alang=eng'10:34
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DocScrutinizeror, if -a means apend, then maybe '-a"lang eng"'10:35
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smoophDocScrutinizer this works ... so I assume its correct "mencoder -o n900_tvs-swtcw-18p-bd-dl-112.mkv -srate 44100 -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=0:br=192 -af volnorm=1 -ofps 23.976 -vf-add crop=1800:1080 -vf-add scale=800:480 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=2000:aspect=800/480:turbo -alang eng -ffourcc FMP4 -force-avi-aspect 1.66666666666667 tvs-swtcw-18p-bd-dl-112.mkv"10:39
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DocScrutinizerhmm, yup10:40
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smoophand one thing I thought might be the problem is the way it is parsed but when I execute jaffa s script with --mencoder='alang eng' the mencoder command misses the "-" before alang so I guess I used it correctly10:43
DocScrutinizerecho -e '#!/bin/sh\necho $@ >&2\/usr/bin/mencoder "$@"' >/usr/local/bin/mencoder10:43
DocScrutinizerecho -e '#!/bin/sh\necho $@ >&2\n/usr/bin/mencoder "$@"' >/usr/local/bin/mencoder10:43
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DocScrutinizeroh yep, shell vars containing sth starting with a minus might actually get tricky10:44
DocScrutinizeresp -a is AND sometimes10:46
DocScrutinizershell scripting is so full of dark mouldy corners10:47
smoophjaffa told me I should use -m from his script like this -malang -meng but that just starts the episode10:48
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DocScrutinizerdunno, never looked ito the script. I suggest a ``set -vx''10:49 start of script10:49
DocScrutinizerthen see where the parameter gets crippled10:50
smoophwell I acctually think if I find the time and jaffa cannot help I will learn some pearl and add language selection to his script10:50
smoophperl :D10:51
DocScrutinizericky enough10:52
jonwil I have decided to learn ARM assembly by reverse engineering some of the Nokia proprietary PulseAudio blobs10:52
DocScrutinizerI just looked into ibot's Perl source... *cough*10:52
smoophthats what I thought :D but I have a friend that thinks perl is awesome and he is probably up for a little project10:52
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smoophI mean the whole script is only 750 lines ... so it "shouldn't" be too hard10:54
DocScrutinizerhmm, set -vx prolly doesn't work for Perl :-P10:54
DocScrutinizeromg 750 lines? :-o10:54
jonwilno-one is interested in knowing the inner workings of the Nokia pulseaudio binaries? :P10:56
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edheldilsmooph:  usually when I start writing some little proggie in Perl I regret it later when it grows over 100 lines of code10:57
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smoophyeah but as far as I can tell its not advanced perl like from perlmonks ... its just written in perl ... and by looking over it I understand most of what its supposed to do sometimes I don't get the expression but thats what my friend is for10:58
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jonwilaha, now I see why the nokia pulseaudio modules are closed, they link to libbmeipc11:00
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crashanddieachipa, I can't really be arsed about naming conventions to be honest. Whether it's .pri or .pro doesn't _really_ make a difference, not more than what you want that difference to make11:05
crashanddieIn my case, I don't give two coins about .pri or .pro, so you can have your religious wars about the naming, and you're also free to just submit a patch to rename it :)11:05
lardman|homeQt project file?11:06
* lardman|home votes for the "o"11:06
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: sure I'm interested11:08
crashanddielardman, ^11:08
DocScrutinizermoo crashanddie11:08
crashanddiemoo DocScrutinizer11:09
DocScrutinizerjonwil: anyway check what's already disclosed @
jonwilyeah I intend to use meego info to help with reverse engineering this stuff11:10
DocScrutinizerwho am I to tell *you*11:10
jonwilbut none of the meego stuff will not be correct for Fremantle though since all these closed libs link to libbmeipc11:11
jonwilsomething which Nokia is unwilling to share a dev package for11:11
DocScrutinizeryou got a verbatim statement saying so?11:11
lardman|homejonwil: I also had troubles with aqualung, will need to do some debugging, or perhaps write my own (need time though)11:11
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jonwilI got Aqualung to start but when I ran it, it didnt do anything on the function I tried to use it on11:12
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jonwilI do like APU11:15
jonwilI do like APIs that use opaque structures11:15
jonwillike PulseAudio11:15
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RST38hGood object oriented design, isn't it? :)11:15
* RST38h cackles evilly11:16
jonwilfirst library on the list is libnokia-common.so11:16
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ieatlintwait, did someone actually just say they like the pulseaudio api?11:17
* ieatlint shakes his head11:18
DocScrutinizerI guess there were some <sarcasm> tags missing11:19
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jonwilnope, I like it because its going to be easier to reverse engineer11:20
jonwilthanks to the opaque objects11:21
DocScrutinizerhow's that?11:21
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* RST38h wonders why one would need to reverse engineer PA11:21
jonwilthe nokia binary blobs11:22
DocScrutinizerRST38h: because Nokia in their eternal wisdom decided to do blobs for it11:22
jonwilThe reason the blobs appear to exist is due to the blobs requiring libbmeipc11:22
jonwilwhich is a library that for some strange reason Nokia refuses to publish a -dev package for...11:22
DocScrutinizerwhere you got that from?11:23
RST38hJust create your own, new, better audio API!11:23
jonwilwhere you got what from?11:23
jonwilThe libraries require libbmeipc because I can see it in the binaries11:23
jonwilthey link to it11:23
DocScrutinizerNokia refuses to publish a -dev package for...11:23
jonwiloh ok11:23
jonwilwell nokia hasnt published a libbmeipc-dev package anywhere11:23
DocScrutinizerthis might change11:24
jonwilchange why?11:24
DocScrutinizerto use bme in e.g. meego11:24
DocScrutinizeralso freeing mce would need that .h iirc11:25
ieatlinthah, the newest N9 rumour says it's not a 1.2ghz snapdragon, but a 1.2ghz intel atom11:26
DocScrutinizerplus I wonder how dsme is talking / listening to bme, without libbmeipc.h11:27
Corsacieatlint: you're late :)11:27
MohammadAGieatlint, I can confirm it's an OMAP311:27
ieatlinti was busy today :P11:27
Corsacieatlint: it's from yesterday11:28
CorsacMohammadAG: omap*3*?11:28
lardman|homeMohammadAG: can you now....?11:28
ieatlintby whose clock?11:28
MohammadAGOMAP*, don't want to spread more rumors11:28
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ieatlintit's 1:30am where i am... as far as i'm concerned, it's thursday until i wake up11:28
lardman|homeieatlint: ours11:28
lardman|homeit's an OMAP5! Yay!11:29
ieatlintMohammadAG: you should spread more11:29
ieatlinttell people it'll be running ppc arch chips from motorola11:29
MohammadAGit's actually OMAP :p11:29
jonwilI dont think even Nokia has a finalized set of hardware for their first MeeGo phone11:29
DocScrutinizerNO IT'S SNAPDRAGON11:29
jonwilor if they do, they have multiple different meego phones in development with different hardware specs11:30
ieatlintjonwil: they do ... or at least, a near-final revision of it11:30
SpeedEvilIt's Xeon.11:30
ieatlinti hear it's actually going to just be a bunch of chinese people doing math quickly11:31
DocScrutinizeryeah, the chinese dwarfs - they got bored in the tools bag of those yamaha bikes11:32
ieatlintit'll be extremely low power, but with a short lifespan... they'll be easy to replace though11:32
jonwilas for DSME talking to BME, the bit of DSME that talks to BME is dsme-thermalobject-surface. This is LGPL as a separate package but with a dependancy on libbmeipc (so it cant actually be compiled without those headers)11:33
DocScrutinizerI think that's a pretty good lever to get libbmeipc.h11:34
jonwilits not one file, its at least 3, bme_extmsg.h, client_ipc.h and em_isi.h11:34
ieatlintwhat's DSME?11:35
RST38hPowering Satan's favorite cell phone11:35
jonwildevice state management entity11:35
DocScrutinizermhm, good. So open up a ticket against DSME and ask for them11:35
ieatlintRST38h: i have a friend whose new phone number has the prefix 666... that'd be perfect for them!11:35
DocScrutinizerhah, my city prefix is 91111:36
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DocScrutinizerperfect for me :-P11:36
ieatlintDSME sounds like nokia software11:37
jonwilDevice State Management Entity11:38
jonwilso although its LGPL, all the code was written by Nokia11:38
DocScrutinizerjonwil: I think you can open a ticket on bmo, toss in the link URL to dsme-thermalobject-surface. And request the missing *.h, naming them as precisely as possible11:38
ieatlintwhich means nokia can re-release it under any licence... additionally, the only people who can make L/GPL claims are those who are licence holders11:38
ShadowJKOmap3, one die shrink smaller from the one in N900, clocked at 1GHz, 512MByte RAM. :P11:38
ieatlintso nokia isn't going to threaten to sue themselves11:38
jonwilMeeGo has the same DSME code pointing to the same non-existent libbmeipc headers11:39
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summelisnt there a dropbox client for the n900? oO11:39
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SpeedEvilsummel: As I understand it, dropbox requires a binary x86 blob11:40
summelill continue to use the webpage then11:41
SpeedEvilOr not11:41
DocScrutinizerjonwil: query stskeeps, he might know some details not common to the public11:41
summelah ty :)11:41
summelah -devel still... then i wait for it :)11:42
DocScrutinizerjonwil: also poke tekojo as soon as he joins in here11:42
summeland the app that checks for free radio frequencies is also in -devel, right? :o11:42
summelthat should have been built in from the start anyways :D11:42
ShadowJKThat app uses the FM receiver11:43
ShadowJKit'd made more sense to let the fmtx do it11:43
ShadowJK(the chip is capable of it, but it's not exposed in the driver)11:43
DocScrutinizerwhich arguably is the better concept11:43
DocScrutinizernope, as FMTX has no decent antenna11:43
* ShadowJK wonders which method provides better roaming for car radio :)11:44
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DocScrutinizerthe best concept however is to search a free frequency on your radio you want to 'pair', then wobble FMTX and analyze acoustic feedback from mic, to autotune N900 FMTX to the freq of your radio11:45
ShadowJKRDS radio will autotune once it gets close enough :D11:46
DocScrutinizerperfect usability11:46
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: you can avoid/disable that, on TX side11:46
lardman|homehey chaps, if I do this and the device doesn't exist, or cat can't be found will the CMDLINE variable still be created?: CMDLINE=`cat /proc/cmdline`11:47
ShadowJKNo but it's great, if you have an empty frequency finder driving frequency hopping during your drive, the car radio automatically keeps up and changes frequency11:47
lardman|homeI think yes11:47
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DocScrutinizerthat's actually also a great concept. I thought you had objections to the wobbling/searching11:48
DocScrutinizerjonwil: ^^^11:48
DocScrutinizermorning tekojo11:48
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DocScrutinizertekojo: you had a look into bug 8347 yet?11:49
povbotBug Cell Broadcast Feature not available11:49
DocScrutinizertekojo: for DSME which is disclosed since quite some time, there are missing a few .h so it's not buildable for maemo. Do you think we can get this straightened?11:50
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tekojoDocScrutinizer: the opening queue would be the best place, I don't really know where to start11:53
tekojoand seems like I the cell broadcast is hard, no idea who did and and where they are now11:53
jonwilok, so filing a license change request for the headers in question then?11:53
DocScrutinizerhmm, DSME already is opened11:53
jonwilDSME is open but it links to header files Nokia didnt publish11:54
tekojoare the missing headers in DSME or something it depends on?11:54
jonwilits in a dependancy11:54
jonwilDSME needs libbmeipc headers11:54
DocScrutinizer(also I think the whole  opening queue got stalled)11:54
DocScrutinizertekojo: [2011-01-21 10:33:22] <jonwil> as for DSME talking to BME, the bit of DSME that talks to BME is dsme-thermalobject-surface. This is LGPL as a separate package but with a dependancy on libbmeipc (so it cant actually be compiled without those headers)11:54
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tekojobme, I can almost certainly say that it will be a no go11:54
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-21 10:34:50] <jonwil> its not one file, its at least 3, bme_extmsg.h, client_ipc.h and em_isi.h11:55
tekojobut you can try with the queue11:55
ShadowJKI think it's more about the communication that goes on between the opensource components and bme11:55
jonwilwe dont want libbmeipc or bme11:55
DocScrutinizertekojo: we're not asking for bme source, just for headers for the lib to listen to signals from bme. This got RE'd for mer long ago11:56
ShadowJK(just the headers to build dsme?)11:56
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tekojojonwil: I understand, but those headers are in there11:56
jonwilyes just the libbmeipc-dev package11:56
jonwilas it were11:56
tekojoI'll try to find out who to ask, but anything bme related has always been a problem11:58
DocScrutinizeryes. I know. But I thought the whole point about *.h is do give the interface without disclosing anything about the actual code behind it11:59
DocScrutinizertekojo: anyway many rhanks :-)11:59
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tekojoDocScrutinizer: yes, it would be the sensible thing, but it was never easy12:00
DocScrutinizerthanks even12:00
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jonwilas for cell broadcast, I cant see anything happening to it unless someone (either publicly or under NDA) is able to study libsms code and csd-sms code, which wont happen given that D12:02
jonwilgiven that Fremantle is EOL12:02
DocScrutinizeras I suspect there's maybe no such thing like a libbmeipc-devel pkg, I suggest somebody has a short look at those 3 *.h to see if there's _anything_ inside them that's any problematic, then just dump them to $RANDOM at gitorious12:02
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jonwilDocScrutinizer, I doubt its that simple12:02
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chem|ststill no info on my device from d4mn insurance company12:03
* chem|st is feeling naked...12:03
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ShadowJKi know that feeling12:03
ShadowJKwhat happened to it+12:03
jonwilThe "powers that be" are going to be concerned about allowing 3rd parties to interface with BME because of the potential to screw things up and cause dead handsets (or worse overloaded batteries that could explode)12:04
jonwilwell I would guess they are12:04
ShadowJKI've heard of wheatbeer and, uh, sprite?12:04
chem|stI am that || close to order a new one without insurance pr4nk!n912:04
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chem|stcoke is even worse as it got 3% phosphoricacid12:05
DocScrutinizerjonwil: tekojo: that's a moot argument. We know bme can't get messed up via libbmeipc interface12:05
chem|stwould have no issues with a sticky device... but acid burned µchips wont last long12:06
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DocScrutinizertekojo: jonwil: and even IF there were any calls documented in that *.h that had potential to do "bad" things to bme, we happily accepted Nokia to discard these lines of code, prior to disclosing it12:08
DocScrutinizerthough I'm absolutely sure there aren't any12:08
ShadowJKActually, charge rate gets throttled during charge on over temperature, but we don't know where that decision comes from, whether it's bme that independently decides to do it, or whether dsme tells it to... But anyway, stop bme and the thermal throttling goes away entirely either way :]12:09
chem|stok report has been sent to insurance comp. yesterday, fingers crossed...12:09
SpeedEvilchem|st: your warranty covers accidental damage?12:10
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: then OTOH throttling isn't a 'bad thing'12:10
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jonwilFYI, libbmeipc is still referenced by code in meego and the headers are still missing there12:11
chem|stSpeedEvil: nope, a friend of mine accidentially knocked over his glas, so his insurance covers12:11
ShadowJKNo it's not, but from writing an opensource bme replacement point of view, we aren't able to talk to the other maemo components, and we can't provide dsme with thermal data and we can't receive orders from dsme (if dsme actually does send orders, who knows)12:11
DocScrutinizerNokia's arguments why bme can't get disclosed always been: IP (moot for *.h), safety (exploding battery - moot for a checked and maybe cleaned *.h)12:11
chem|sttook about 1 month to get a request to send in the device12:12
chem|stresponse time is about a week at least and that makes me suffer12:12
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: yep, that's why we need those *.h files12:12
SpeedEvilAnd it's swapped for an 'equivalent' device - a n9712:12
DocScrutinizereven DSME can't build though it's foss now12:13
jonwilAnyone who thinks the N97 and N900 are in any way "equivalent" should have their head examined12:14
DocScrutinizersure we could RE a libbmeipc.h, from scrutinizing ABI and the calls to libbmeipc in e.g dsme. But that's stupid as there's no reason for Nokia not to disclose the original files12:15
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jonwilThats like saying a Jeep Wrangler and a Jeep Cherokee are "equivalent" because they both are made by Jeep and because they both have <list of features>12:16
chem|stjonwil: cut-off, there is no other penalty12:16
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psycho_oreosI'd sue the insurance bastards, that's what they do best, try to undervalue the damaged/affected equipment/s as to minimise their losses12:17
DocScrutinizerjonwil: please remember my suggestions of above - talk to stskeeps. He looked nto meamo4 bme stuff very very deeply, for mer12:18
DocScrutinizerthere might still be some helpful bits to be found in mer sources12:19
DocScrutinizeralso stskeeps knows about pitfalls and relations/details that are hard to RE12:19
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DocScrutinizeryes, exactly that one12:23
ShadowJKftd protocol, iirc :)12:23
DocScrutinizerplus what's inside stskeeps' head12:23
ShadowJKWhether it works in maemo5, no idea :D12:23
ShadowJKiirc that thing was done without any "secret" info12:23
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DocScrutinizeriirc stskeeps got a liitle help from Nokia on that12:32
DocScrutinizerjust a lil bit12:33
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MohammadAGachipa, nope, still can't find the disable packaging step :)12:41
MohammadAGotherwise, the new sdk's nice12:41
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BluesLeehi, "ps -ef" shows me that a lot of processes have two instances, hildon-home, camera-ui, hildon-desktop, browser, calendar etc etc12:42
BluesLeewhat is the reason for that?12:43
MohammadAGdsme i guess12:43
DocScrutinizerhi BluesLee - long time no see12:44
BluesLeethat means its normal12:44
BluesLeehi DocScrutinizer12:44
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DocScrutinizerBluesLee: it's the hildon-launcher12:44
DocScrutinizerwhatever it's real name12:44
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DocScrutinizercheck your /usr/bin, you also have two executables for each of those processes12:45
BluesLeeokay, thats a sufficient answer12:45
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DocScrutinizerit's some lib preload stuff, similar to what they do for KDE12:46
w2fanghi, what's the difference between dpkg -i and pkgmgr install-file ? I have a deb file can be installed with dpkg but failed with pkgmgr, get error message "is not a user package"12:46
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: i tried to run dvb-t on my n900 without success so far12:46
DocScrutinizerhmm, probably hard to find any source for the driver needed12:47
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: it looked promising but i have very little knowledge about the linux kernel and how things work12:47
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BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: i compiled the modules and i am able to load them12:47
DocScrutinizermhm, so what's happening?12:47
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: i wonder which instance generates device files like /dev/dvb12:48
DocScrutinizerdoes it fail on h-e-n hostmode?12:48
DocScrutinizerthe driver usually12:48
BluesLeeno, it doesnt12:48
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BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: the firmware is loaded12:48
DocScrutinizerthen you need mknod12:48
DocScrutinizeryou should be able to tell from your PC12:49
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BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: what do you mean with "to tell from your pc"?12:50
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: i use a script which generates all the device nodes with mknod12:51
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: i tried mplayer and vlc player, the latter does not load dvb channel files, the first crashes when it searchs for frequencies12:52
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: do i need special dvb support  for the used power kernel or is it enough to use the default one + compiled modules12:52
DocScrutinizerBluesLee: (from tmo) I don't think the kernel driver has any idea about ~/.mplayer/channels.conf12:53
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: maybe there is a single command line to use directly a frequency, i will google it12:54
ShadowJKisn't channels.conf just a channel - frequency mapping file or something12:55
BluesLeeShadowJK: yes it is12:55
DocScrutinizerBluesLee: if that file is for kernel to config things with the dvb stick, then for sure it needs to libe in e.g /etc12:55
DocScrutinizernot in user's home12:55
BluesLeeShadowJK: if i say "mplayer dvb:\\channel1" channels.conf is used to check if channel1 exists and so on12:56
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: i can check tha immediately12:56
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DocScrutinizerBluesLee: check what the files in /dev look like on your PC. Check if there's a script somewhere in postinstall of the pkg that creates these. Try to mknod the files on N900 with same parameters13:00
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DocScrutinizerBluesLee: also a bit longer history of syslog in that tmo post would help a lot. I see a strange new device showing up on USB *after* driver got loeaded13:01
DocScrutinizerI'd like to compare that with any previous device that's maybe also the dvb-stick13:02
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BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: here is the script
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DocScrutinizerhmm, so why do you ask ""<BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: i wonder which instance generates device files like /dev/dvb""13:05
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BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: i mean that on my pc the devices are automatically generated13:06
ShadowJKit's generated by udev automatically13:06
ShadowJKon your desktop13:06
DocScrutinizeryep, probably13:06
BluesLeeand there is no udev for maemo?13:07
DocScrutinizersure there is13:07
DocScrutinizeryou just need to add the rule13:07
BluesLeeokay, where are the rules located?13:07
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BluesLeehmm, i can not see a rule for dvb or similar on my pc13:09
DocScrutinizerjust run the script manually13:10
DocScrutinizerfor now13:10
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DocScrutinizerI'm much more concerned about [32276.534576] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=14aa, idProduct=022213:11
DocScrutinizer*AFTER* [32276.193572] dvb_usb_dtt200u 1-1:1.0: usb_probe_interface13:12
jonwilok, so the answer seems to a "no" to the SMS stuff (i.e. getting access to libsms and csd-sms) and a "slim chance" for the libbmeipc headers.13:12
DocScrutinizerhmm, who gave that answer? link?13:13
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DocScrutinizerBluesLee: please paste the previous ""New USB device found, idVendor="" line in your syslog/dmesg13:14
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JaffaMorning, all13:18
MohammadAGmorning Jaffa13:19
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Jaffasmooph's gone. Bah. Anyway, he should've used "-m-alang -meng". tablet-encode doesn't put the '-' in automatically.13:19
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BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: here is the latest one
jonwilthe answer is based on what tekojo said earlier (being that he was going to punt the libbmeipc request to the right people13:20
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jonwilits also almost certain that Nokia won't want to put the work in to open up the source for libsms/csd-sms (which is the minimum that would be required for CBSMS)13:22
jonwillast comment of bug 10870 seems to confirm that thought13:24
povbotBug Open source libsms and libsms-utils13:24
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: vendor and product looks okay for me13:25
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: 10870 is missing any reference to 8347 and SMS-CB13:40
DocScrutinizerand mentionng notmynokia wasn't the smartest move I guess :-P13:41
jonwilno but 10870 implies that they wont be willing to touch the mess of legacy code in the Fremantle telephony stack13:41
DocScrutinizerthey won't because they see not a single requirement. 8347 would have been such a requirement13:42
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smoophhello guys ... is there a way to see if my headphone button creates an event ? I guess something like xev but for the n900 ...13:54
smoophJaffa: I now use --mencoder='-alang eng' but the script fails with "Unable to get movie info."13:55
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fralssmooph: 12:19:43 < Jaffa> smooph's gone. Bah. Anyway, he should've used "-m-alang -meng". tablet-encode doesn't put the '-' in automatically.14:01
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smoophthanks frals I think I already tried that but lets see14:02
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smoophwonderful it seems to work thanks again14:04
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smoophsomebody some info on my other question .... button event of headset to accept calls or adjust sound ?14:09
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jonwilanyone here know which bits of the n900 handle audio routing?14:27
jonwilIs it just the binary pulseaudio blobs that handle it?14:27
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jacekowskii've just seen another n900 user15:00
nid0huh, so the US is testing some massive area gps jamming tech for the next month then15:00
SpeedEviljacekowski: In the flesh?15:01
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jacekowskiwhat is happening next month?15:01
jacekowskispeedevil: yes in a flesh15:02
nid0FAA warning that GPS over like thousands of square miles will be "unreliable" till feb 22nd, and asking pilots to report disruptions so they can "determine the extent of degradation"15:02
SpeedEvil I vaguely recall the diameter stated in the NOTAM is approximately the same as the 'spot beam' This is a high power - comparatively - dish that can - at least - send high power M-code to an area of operations.15:02
SpeedEvilThe shape of the NOTAM would be more or less consistent I think with them pointing the spot beam at one point on the earth, and meaconing from it.15:02
SpeedEvilFrom something I just typed in another channel about this15:03
MohammadAG<jacekowski> i've just seen another n900 user <-- I've seen 1015:04
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jonwilok, for wlan signal strength, you would need to find out whether the kernel driver and wifi firmware provide that information to userspace and go from there15:25
jonwilno idea how one would go about that15:25
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SpeedEvilssh root@phone cat /proc/net/wireless15:27
SpeedEvilInter-| sta-|   Quality        |   Discarded packets               | Missed | WE15:27
SpeedEvil face | tus | link level noise |  nwid  crypt   frag  retry   misc | beacon | 2215:27
SpeedEvil wlan0: 0000   87.  -38   -93.       0      0      0      0      0        015:27
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jonwilok, so the info is already there and someone just has to write a status bar widget? Great, something to take off my list :)15:29
SpeedEvilOr put on15:30
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ShadowJKis the gps thing related to the new constellation?15:34
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user_im about to buy a microsd. wondering whether class 10 would be fully supported on the n90015:42
user_cant find a clear answer on google15:43
SpeedEvilShadowJK: It's related in that the jamming is probably only available ew to the new birds15:43
SpeedEviluser_: The n900 gets 13.0M/s on my cheap kingston card. (read)15:43
user_ok thanks15:44
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user_what class do u use?15:46
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* ShadowJK gets more speed out of Sandisk class 4 than Kinngston class 10 in the "real world" anyway15:46
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user_i wonder if anything higher than 4 makes sense15:47
Jaffafrals: Thanks for responding to smooph :-)15:47
user_so q13mbit ps on cr4?15:47
ShadowJKWell it depends on what you want it for15:47
user_meego dualboot15:48
user_or nitroid. not sure yet15:48
ShadowJKin that case: they all suck horribly, some harder than others15:48
user_hm which one would u recommend?15:49
ShadowJKnot sure15:49
user_135 bucks for 16gb sandisk class 10 :S15:50
ShadowJKthat's a fullsize card15:50
ShadowJKsandisk doesn't make class 6 or class 10 microsdhc15:50
user_oops ur right :)15:51
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ShadowJKof course, ebay will sell you a "Sandisk" class 16 if you want15:52
user_heh in some store atm15:53
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ShadowJKI've been benchmarking cards for how they might perform as OS card15:54
ShadowJKthey all suck quite horribly, but kingston stands out as crappier and sandisk seems to scale nicer15:54
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ShadowJKit probably has more onboard cache ram and a more sophisticated cpu/software15:55
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user_hm class 2 is the only thing they got15:56
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user_ok thanks ill try to get a 415:58
user_later :)15:58
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]dotblank are you about?16:13
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MohammadAGShadowJK, in your tests, was class 10 good as swap?16:19
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]i haven't had a chance to build my own virtual build environment this week, so haven't made any progress compiling phoneme. had any luck compiling midp2?16:21
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MarcusHi guys, I am having some trouble. I flashed my n900 (first emmC and then rootfs) and for some reasons all the images on the n900 are corrupt?16:23
MarcusIt felt like the regular flash of the rootfs went _very_ fast16:23
MarcusLike 5seconds or so.16:23
SpeedEvilshould do16:24
SpeedEvilmaybe more like 1516:24
MarcusNope, not that long.16:24
MarcusI will try to redownload the rootfs .bin and try it again ._.16:24
MarcusIt is very wierd.16:24
MohammadAGif an image is corrupt it doesn't flash afaik16:26
MarcusWell, it almost feels like it pops up (using flasher in CMD) and then disappears immediatly.16:26
MarcusDoes it sound like a bricked device? Even though it boots up?16:27
* GAN900 chokes reading the Atom N9 thread on Talk.16:27
GAN900Pure gold.16:27
Marcusimage files seems corrupt, and every text is like squares []16:27
MohammadAGsounds like windows being itself - retarded16:27
MohammadAGGAN900, should i waste my time and read it?16:28
MarcusWindows as in Gates? Indeed.16:28
* Marcus enjoys his ArchLinux desktop.16:28
MohammadAGgotta study, cya :P16:28
MarcusHave fun!16:28
MohammadAGyeah, fun.. right16:28
* MohammadAG closes xchat - will probably get bored and start it in less than 10 mins16:29
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MarcusNow this is more like it.16:30
MarcusCheers, it seems like it works. Even though on the wiki it says you don't need to replug the USB, it seems like I had to.16:32
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GAN900MohammadAG, it's pretty entertaining.16:42
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RST38hGAN: You are saying it like if you were studying to be a zoologist16:46
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hirabayashitarohi everyone!16:50
hirabayashitaroI was wondering if an improvement of the contacts for fitting more fields of the vcard format is planned. Anyone knows anything about it?16:51
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]does anyone have the time to have a go at compiling the current version of phoneme_feature? either that or can anyone point me at a good guide to building your own sdk environment on a pc in relatively newbie-friendly terms? I have a spare hour tonight to set it u16:57
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achipacrashanddie: it's a nomenclature, not religion, you're supposed to keep it for the same reasons you keep headers in .h(pp) and sources in .c(pp)17:10
crashanddiewhatever floats your boat I guess :)17:13
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jacktheripperis tracker-extract popping up during video recording just my problem here ?17:15
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jacktheripperI think this is what causes dropped frames17:15
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jacktheripperhappened only once o.o17:19
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RST38hmoo javispedro17:42
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javispedroI wonder why I cannot browse to the AngryBirds download page in, while I can in store.ovi.com17:56
javispedroSo to download it I have to get the angry birds id # from the store (23158) then put it on the store url.17:58
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javispedrono wonder I only ever visit the site once per year17:59
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GAN900Hilariously unusable.18:02
flat`i want angry birds seasons to my n900 :<18:03
shamushas anyone tyred a version of ScummVM with the Mohawk engin on a tablet and dose myst work?18:06
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keriowait, myst runs on scummvm?18:07
shamusMyst has been able to run in the SVN version of ScummVM since last December.18:07
* lcuk peeks in18:07
shamusposted in 2010 ish18:07
shamusthe question is will it work on maemo18:09
shamusand how well18:09
luke-jrI would assume so18:10
luke-jrMyst required what? 100 MHz?18:10
shamusthe quacktime is the issue i would think18:10
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luke-jrstill, it's ancient18:11
luke-jrrealMyst would be a nice feat18:11
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shamusmy n800 woiuld explode if you tryed to do realMyst on it as 8x0 still has no workign 3d drivers :-(18:13
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lcukWANTED: (serious request) Macro photos of your monitor taken with your phone. #rt #meego
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shamusbut yeah ill defidenlty be keeying an eye on mohawk will be nice to be finaly able to play myst agin and hoply on an n800 n810 or n90018:19
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MohammadAGlcuk, but... why.18:21
lcukto confirm a hypothosis about something18:22
lcuki want to see just how focusable things are with phone flat on the surface18:22
MohammadAGyou want the phone stuck to the monitor?18:23
lcukflat onto the screen18:23
lcukthen see if you can macrozoom/focus as much as possible18:23
MohammadAGnice hypothesis :P18:23
MohammadAGdoes a phone monitor apply as a monitor?18:24
lcukMohammadAG, flat surface18:24
ZogGlcuk, got my photo?18:24
MohammadAGalso, does fcam manual qualify?18:24
MohammadAGmanual focus*18:24
lcukI would suggest your desktop, but the flash overwhelms it18:24
lcukyes, whatever you can do18:24
lcukto get the clearest shot possible18:24
ZogGlcuk did you got it?18:24
lcukZogG, on the forum?18:24
ZogGtwitter check mentions18:25
lcuki am following you, no18:25
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MohammadAGN8 is interesting18:26
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lcukwell post them!
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eichidoes the maemo5 messanger based in libpurple?18:27
ZogGlcuk strange18:27
* javispedro releases yet another fm rx app, cfmradio, to extras-devel18:28
eichiwant to port an pidgin plugin18:28
MohammadAGjavispedro, gtk?18:28
javispedro(this is the app I use so it's customized to me, the audio routing tests have been crippled so that noone blames me for damaging his device)18:28
javispedroMohammadAG: obviously. sub-second launch times.18:28
ZogG!/ZogG/status/28481821998063616 lcuk18:29
* lcuk ponders whether I am actually following you18:29
lcukthat would explain it!18:29
luke-jreichi: no18:29
ZogGlcuk i think you unfollowed as i'm flooding in russian a lot of bullshit18:29
lcuknow the question comes did I believe you when you said you did not post english often18:29
luke-jrthank God. libpurple is terrible :P18:29
ZogGi don't post english a lot =(18:29
lcukZogG, did you actually take that picture with phone touching your screen?18:30
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lcuk(thanks by the way!)18:30
ZogGoh, you wanted it to touch it?18:30
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lcukZogG, yes please18:31
lcukI am trying to see just how much in/out of focus it is18:31
MohammadAGjavispedro, yay18:32
MohammadAGlcuk, I got "open" showing18:32
* MohammadAG uploads18:32
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lcukZogG, white twitter client are you using? that looks swish18:33
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lcukeichi, yes I believe so18:36
ZogGlcuk hotot18:37
MohammadAGlcuk, refresh post18:38
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MohammadAGmeego forums don't resize images18:38
* MohammadAG giggles18:38
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ZogG lcuk actually it's cool. geoplugin, uploading pics if you want, plugins with simple and nice ui18:38
lcukZogG, it looks it :)18:39
ZogGlcuk though i like my theme (that it comes with) more than screenies on website. what distro do you use btw18:40
lcukZogG, whats it written in? the reflections look nifty and similar to something MohammadAG has been tinkering with18:40
MohammadAG lcuk18:40
MohammadAGyes it's my first post :P18:41
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lcukawesome MohammadAG :) and starting with openness :)18:42
ZogGlcuk emm Hotot, is a lightweight & open source Microblogging Client, coding using Python language and designed for Linux.18:42
MohammadAGoi, all my apps are open :P18:42
ZogGlcuk, the funny thing they released win7 version18:43
lcukMohammadAG, lol18:44
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ZogGMohammadAG \o/ nice thing, what monitor do you have btw18:46
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ZogGi have 23 and font is small but still the picture looks blur18:46
MohammadAGachipa, sure about the tip you gave me on the forums? :P18:47
MohammadAGZogG, LED screen, 15" :P18:47
ZogGMohammadAG there are no LED screens18:47
MohammadAGmaximum brightness (which is a lot - quite blinding at night)18:47
ZogGthrere are LED backlight or how is it called18:47
ZogGi have 23" LG flatron Wide18:47
MohammadAGdon't get into technicalities with me :P18:47
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ArGGu^^is there application that handles the playing of ringtones, sms alert and email alerts that can be used on own application?18:48
ZogGMohammadAG yes i heard about your fail with hubs =()18:48
ArGGu^^I mean if want have alert sound in my application like email alert18:48
ArGGu^^do need use phonon or something to play alert18:49
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lcukZogG, its hard to get device to focus all the way down, I have been looking at this for a while, that is the point of the thread18:49
ArGGu^^or could I just example play the email alert with dbus call18:50
ArGGu^^or something like that?18:50
lcukZogG, are you not a member of
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]if there was a way of manually focussing the lens it would help. Autofovus goes do far then snaps back to blurry18:51
ZogGlcuk are you mindreader just wrote about it18:51
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lcukZogG, did you take down the first picture?18:53
ZogGlcuk btw how do you feel about not appropriate lang?18:53
ZogGlcuk down? what you mean - i re did the experiment and uped new picture i'm gonna post18:54
lcukwell if it is Russian, I don't really know difference do I18:54
lcukZogG, leave others up too, its not whether its perfect, its as many examples as possible18:54
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ZogGlcuk i mean in english18:55
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ShadowJKMohammadAG, in my tests the class rating of the card seemed mostly irrelevant to swap performance18:57
ZogGMohammadAG, did i advice you ?18:57
ShadowJKMohammadAG, basically the class rating is stupid, and there were class 2 cards that were faster than class 6 cards, but also class 10 cards that were faster than some class 2 cards...18:57
ShadowJKIt's probably the FTL algorithm and the MCU capabilities that matter more than the class rating18:58
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ShadowJKthings that no manufacturer publishes, and Kingston is evne know to put random ones in their cards depending on what's cheapest/available at the time18:58
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lcukZogG, normally, no - why?19:00
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lcukkerio, faster than light through Pb19:01
ZogGlcuk just asking, as i don't tweet a lot in english i would consider not to use that kind of lang as i do tweet in english =)19:02
ShadowJKFTL = Flash Translation Layer19:02
lcukZogG, heh19:02
MohammadAGZogG, ?19:03
ZogGMohammadAG ?19:04
MohammadAGShadowJK, heh, was thinking of getting a 1GB class 10 or whatever the highest class was and using it as swap19:04
MohammadAGwhat's the link?19:04
ZogGlcuk i just do swear a lot in russian and in english, even in hebrew =) but also i do respect other people who don't like it so i do it less than19:05
ShadowJK1G don't come in class rated19:05
ZogGMohammadAG it's nice news about ubuntu releated news, as you are ubuntu user i would recommend you. i use it to find out new apps with nice ui as well =)19:06
ZogGi would say it, but i think meego forums < TMO =)19:06
lcukZogG, please continue swearing like a fucking trouper19:06
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lcuktrooper even19:07
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ZogGlcuk as you are the only one my english speaking follower i need to respect you =)))19:07
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ThreeMgot my N900 replacement with dust on screen :(19:08
ThreeM3rd device within a week... damn nokia19:08
pupnikdust *in* screen?19:09
ThreeMa black point on screen19:09
ThreeMno pixel error just dirt19:09
pupnikcan you wipe it off?19:09
ThreeMits IN the screen.19:09
ThreeMbetween screen and the surface19:10
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]still got dust in mine after the fixed the problem with vibrate19:10
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]tempted to fix it myself19:10
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ZogGThreeM, i got a lot of dust and dirt in pokets aspecially as i'm smoker and all the tabaco from packages, but never got dust there, you should change it, and not clean19:11
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ThreeMim just going to change the screen from the defect N900 (reboots all the time) to the Dusty one and send the old N900 back to amazon19:11
ThreeMN900 issnt relly hard to deassemble19:12
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lcukno, but a black spot appears on the screen the first time you do19:12
lcuk(joking of course :P can you take a picture of the spot19:13
ZogGlcuk, hey, no discrimination here, dustspot, not black spot =)19:13
ZogGThreeM yes, as you have two N900, put one close to others screen and take photo =)19:14
pupnikmaybe the repair man is also smoker19:14
ThreeMits about 2x2 pixel19:14
ThreeMi dont know if the N900 cam can get it :)19:15
ThreeMonly visible when you are on bright background... so for a internettablet its worse to have a dark dust spot on sceen19:15
ThreeMright in the midlle......19:15
ZogGcheck the log about close up photos19:15
lcukZogG, different thing19:16
lcuki actually want an in focus pic of his repeated problem19:16
lcukwas the spot in the same place each time?19:16
ThreeMits defently dirt19:16
ThreeMwhen you push gently on screen you see the spot moving a bit19:17
ThreeMdie display itself is fine.... just poor build quality19:17
ZogGit tickless19:17
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pupnikSometimes it's not easy to fire the right people19:18
pupnikalways an information problem19:18
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ZogGhaha someone just tweeted " i have TV with Linux and it got freezed" =)19:21
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ThreeMive got also a tv with linux19:23
ThreeMevery samsung tv has it .)19:23
pupnikdidn't know this19:24
ThreeMthere is also alternative OS Modification for it19:24
pupnikany hacked / flashable OS?19:24
ThreeMSamygo or gosamy :)19:24
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ZogGpupnik hey, you did love pornophoniques, didn't you?19:30
pupniknot really, but they were better than i thought they would be19:30
ZogGi actually love them19:30
ZogGthe lyrics are pretty funny19:31
ZogGsad robot song is pretty awesome19:31
ZogGthey are free to download19:31
ZogGand you just have bad taste =P19:31
* ZogG xmms2> Way Out West - We Love Machine ["We Love Machine"]19:32
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kerioitune> Jocko Homo - Devo ["Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!"]19:34
pupnikhah ++19:35
ZogGkerio itunes? what? buuuuuuuuu19:35
pupnikthey had a point about devolution19:36
* ZogG sterilizing himself from any apple stuff19:36
pupniki've never even seen itunes19:36
pupnikall good pop music is written before you turn 30 years old19:37
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ZogGpupnik i was bitten by itunes once and took medications like for 4 months =)19:38
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pupniknow i have stupid 'Sad Robot' song in brain19:39
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ZogGpupnik it's not stupid19:40
ZogGat least when we think about him he is not said anymore19:41
pupnikreminds me of the old Asimov stories19:42
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ZogGAsimov, he sounds familiar and russian19:43
ZogGis in't in Alice in the future or somwething like that19:43
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pupnikall of Science fiction echoes asimov19:44
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ZogGonce russians were cool, but nowdays..... ehh19:49
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MohammadAGmycontacts is closed source?19:53
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ZogGMohammadAG, ping20:11
MohammadAGtrying to get an offline/online contact notifier20:12
ZogGMohammadAG does last cssu includes any usb, battery or releated patches?20:12
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ZogGMohammadAG i updated and recetly it doesn't charge from wall charger20:13
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ZogGMohammadAG it starts to charge and than it says stop charging)20:14
MohammadAGnot related20:14
MohammadAGI didn't patch anything related to that20:14
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eichiis there a patch for infinity battery?20:15
eichior a cheat20:15
MohammadAGconvert it to a nuclear battery20:18
ZogGi actually have ot infinity batetr but it stoppes charging even the battery is empty20:18
ZogGcharges from USB normally20:18
ZogGnever happened to me20:18
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ZogGfunny as Nokia doesn't support phone anymore can i come to them and ask for replacement (let's say for N9)20:19
luke-jrwhat phone?20:19
luke-jrI agree with MohammadAG on infinite battery cheat.20:20
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luke-jrit's just too expensive20:20
MohammadAGluke-jr, I have my ways20:20
luke-jrand idiot countries regulate it too much20:20
ShadowJKN9 doesn't exist yet20:21
luke-jr"zomg bombs have the word 'nuclear' in them too!"20:21
MohammadAGat least it doesn't exist to us too :P20:22
ShadowJKand Nokia Care couldn't care less about whether a device is supported or not20:22
MohammadAGwho's developed on telepathy before20:22
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MohammadAGNokia care fixes anyways20:23
MohammadAGdoesn't give out replacements/renewals20:23
luke-jrwhat if it exploded?20:24
ShadowJKIt's not like they fix anything either, they just send it off to some third party repair shop, who then orders replacement device from nokia and bills nokia for it (if it's under warranty)20:24
MohammadAGluke-jr, MeeGo boom20:25
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ZogGMohammadAG but it's kernel bug, how they would fix it with no updates =)20:26
MohammadAGit could be a hardware problem20:27
ZogGMohammadAG it never happened to me before actually20:27
MohammadAGhardware problems usually start20:27
BCMM... soon after the end of warranty?20:35
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MohammadAGhow do I do the hildon notifications (like SMS ones) in Qt?20:40
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* GAN900 is out of books he feels like reading.21:14
lcukGAN900, back catalogue of playboy is quite interesting21:14
lcukfor the articles of course.21:14
GAN900lcuk, of course.21:15
lcukthough noticing the hairstyle changes is amusing21:15
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shamushum i wonder how well rama will work on a tablet might be fun to play that agin and it works under dosbox21:22
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shamusit's a Sierra SCI game so it might even run under scumvm21:25
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ZogGку зщщ21:27
RST38hZogG: If you are talking to me, no Unicode here.21:28
ZogGno i forgot to switch21:28
ZogGi said re pooo21:28
ZogGanyway it's so stupid to use battery only with software21:29
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fcrochikMohammadAG: ping21:30
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ZogGdouble pung21:30
fcrochikMohammadAG: what are you looking for? the telepathy/qt code?21:31
pupnikshamus: rama any good? i suspect a cheapo myst-style adventure21:31
MohammadAGI actually got the hang of it, except the first uint21:31
ZogGand i'm looking for women and fame21:31
shamusit was prity cood myst like been ages since i have palkyed it21:31
MohammadAGwhich holds contact number or something like that, got no idea how to get name from it21:32
RST38hZogG: How is the Promised Land tonight?21:32
ZogGnothing promising here21:32
fcrochikMohammadAG: let me see if I can find the code that matters.... do you have an email I can send to?21:32
MohammadAGmohammad7410 (at) gmail (dot) com21:34
ZogGhaha Mohammad is really that common name21:34
pupnikshamus: The Last Express really blew me away if you want to try an adventure game... just recently became downloadable
ZogG -lol21:36
shamuslol cute pic zogg21:37
pupnikthere is a scummvm engine in development as well so it might soon be playable on n90021:38
pupnikif you have trouble running in dosbox i can help21:38
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javispedrohey pupnik21:38
jogahmm? scummvm already works on n90021:38
* shamus has a n800 but underpowred but having two ful size sd card slots is handy21:39
* joga didn't read far21:39
javispedropupnik: saw you around the gp32x forums asking for the dosbox dynrec.21:39
javispedropupnik: on the n900 it is enabled but it is not as slow because it seems that thumb is plain slow on the n90021:40
javispedros/it is not as slow/it is not as fast :)21:40
fcrochikMohammadAG: just sent you an email with what I think is all the code to handle the "online accounts" window on  mycontacts.21:40
javispedropupnik: ah, also it is enabled for n8x0.21:41
fcrochikMohammadAG: feel free to email me back if I am not here21:41
pupnikjavispedro: i compiled with the interleaved thumb and am getting 40% speed increase over the normal core21:41
pupnikiow without it ~3000 cycles before sblaster dropouts, now 4200-500021:41
pupnikthat's @ 1ghz21:42
pupnikbut i saw you mentioned you used it also21:42
javispedroyeah, I'm nowhere near that.21:42
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javispedroI used the one that does not require interworking though21:42
RST38hjavispedro: thumb is good when running it from slow memory (16bit too)21:42
RST38hjavispedro:OMAP3 is too good for it :)21:42
javispedroRST38h: yeah, unfortunately, long ago I tested a non-thumb one done by the same person  -- and ended up with similar performance.21:43
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javispedropupnik: for curiosity's sake, if you have the time, could you test the non-thumb version (should be a matter of changing a few defines) in your platform?21:44
pupniki don't even have good benchmarks - just testing with Wing Commander 1 and Ultima Underworld1 until i get sound dropouts21:44
RST38hMeanwhile: Health care and aeronautics industries agree that FCC should set aside bandwidth for dedicated remote patient monitoring system21:44
MohammadAGfcrochik, thanks!21:44
MohammadAGI'll have a look at it in a bit21:44
javispedropupnik: me neither, I usually test it with win3.11 =)21:45
fcrochikMohammadAG: hope you will find what you are looking for. Do you mind me asking on what you are working on?21:45
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MohammadAGfcrochik, simple online notifier21:46
ZogGjavispedro win 3.11 ftw21:46
ZogGi had one back on 38621:46
MohammadAGsomething to show a contact is online/offline with hildon21:46
ZogGMohammadAG, you should ask khertan21:46
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ZogGhe made one with Qt for khweeteur21:47
fcrochikMohammadAG: why aren't you using mobility?21:47
MohammadAGZogG, why? he never worked on telepathy21:47
ZogGor you don't know how to take it of telepathy21:47
ZogGMohammadAG, does it use same libs as pidgin ?21:47
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ZogGwhat is that?
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ZogGMohammadAG, maybe this would help ?21:51
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MohammadAGfcrochik, moblity handles that?21:52
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fcrochikMohammadAG: yes.21:53
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slonopotamusi thought freoffice is viewer only21:53
fcrochikMohammadAG: I had to use telepathy to start the calls... just to get the status mobility will do21:53
fcrochikMohammadAG: there isn't a mobility module for placing calls yet (I think)21:54
MohammadAGfcrochik, hmm, I'll have a look at it then :)21:55
MohammadAG(though I've always had bad luck with Qt Mobility, everything I wanted is buggy :P)21:55
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fcrochikMohammadAG: The contacts module on the n900 got much better.21:56
mikhasnonono, Qt Mobility is awesome ... because it comes from Qt!21:57
ZogGi'm awesome cause i am21:57
mikhasyou got it, circular reasonings works because ... ;-)21:58
MohammadAGfcrochik, I tried the sensors API, too buggy for me21:58
* MohammadAG looks at contacts21:58
pupniknot necessary circular - it might mean it is amazing that he hasn't stepped in front of a moving vehicle yet21:59
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MohammadAGfcrochik, so how does Qt Mobility handle telepathy if no counterpart exists on Symbian?21:59
fcrochikMohammadAG: it is all on the "backend".... On your application you don't know that you are dealing with telepathy... you just know that you are dealing with "online accounts" connected to your contacts22:00
MohammadAGyeah, but symbian has no backend :P22:01
mikhasuseless abstractions remains useless22:01
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ZogGmeego forums are really terrible22:03
fcrochikMohammadAG: The beauty is that your code will work regardless...  you just won't find any online accounts when running on symbian... and the same code should work on meego w/o changes.22:03
mikhasfcrochik, where is the beauty in that?22:04
mikhasyour. code. does. not. work. on. symbian22:04
fcrochikMohammadAG: it seems that the telepathy and specially telepathy/qt is suffering a big revamp... not sure if these changes will make to the n90022:04
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fcrochikmikhas: my code? you mean the mycontacts app?22:05
pupnikwow 320x240 video looks like mud nowadays22:05
mikhasI dont need library abstractions if it doesnt work on "all supported Qt platforms"22:05
mikhasbetter to just look for the best fitting library on every platform I want to support myself then, really22:05
fcrochikmikhas: in this case the telepathy will not either... "SOME" is a little better than ONE most of the time but I do agree with you that not all abstractions are good.... \22:07
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nox-is this a wifi driver bug?  wlan0: driver reports beacon loss from AP cf1bb52c - sending probe request23:18
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nox-sometimes i get lots of those even tho it still is connected, and then only clicking disconnect and then connect stops them23:19
nox-& moin :)23:20
pupnikmoin nox23:20
nox-moin pupnik23:20
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BCMMnox-: it sounds more like it just lost connection with the AP23:26
BCMMoh, didn't see that bit23:27
BCMMdoes it ever happen when you're close to the AP?23:27
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nox-yes the `ap' is maybe 2m away...23:29
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BCMMwell, i guess it's a bug23:30
nox-ok thats also my guess23:30
BCMMof course, it could be in your router23:30
BCMMor in the firmware, rather than the driver23:30
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nox-nic firmware on n900?23:31
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makulkarHi all, all libraries get into /usr/lib. Any special place for qtplugins? or I just copy them to same path and they would get picked up from there?23:34
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mikhasmakulkar, look at /usr/lib/qt4/plugins23:35
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makulkarmikhas, thanks!23:46
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Paulyhi im using mameo5 sdk and wondering how come to nokia s60 font is used in the sdk browser web pages but on the real n900 other fonts are used?23:50
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MohammadAGsure it's S60 and not your OS's font?23:58
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