IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-01-20

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jogahmm..that was weird00:03
jogahad a similar problem like before, the camera wouldn't start. the last time I had to uninstall some fcam-modules but this time it took maybe 30s for the camera app to start after opening the shutter, and then it would complain about audio in use00:04
jogaI seemed to 'fix' it by simply pressing the camera key and after it's on standby, open the shutter00:04
jogabut if I just opened the shutter and waited for a while for camera to start in standby and complain, it would just stay there00:05
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joga(and start itself repeatedly)00:05
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DocScrutinizer~lart PA00:07
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eichidamn? no pipe symbol on the linux handy? wtf?00:08
jogaheh, it can be added00:08
jogaalso tilde is nice00:08
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sid_oneichi: can be added to xterm see
eichiBCMM fcam modul loading with modprob gives an error. what do you mean with "but it's fixed" ?00:10
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MohammadAGhow did I miss the thread of the guy who modded Nokia maps00:15
eichiBCMM do i need the kernel from extra-testing instead?00:16
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alteregomikki-kun: I don't know, try it and see.00:27
alteregoIt's the only app that allows you to use your N900 as a bluetooth or usb gps mouse.00:27
infobotalterego meant: It's the only app that allows you to use your N900 as a bluetooth or usb gps dongle.00:27
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mikki-kunohhh, nice :)00:29
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MrBawbusing gps as a mouse would be easy for moving, but how would it work for clicking? :)00:31
MrBawbwant to move the pointer down? drive south!00:32
eichiwhat is the best programming language with framework for n900? c++ with qt?00:32
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DocScrutinizerfor clicking just jump00:40
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MohammadAGalterego, lcuk, someone from tmo got a backtrace of a Qt app segfaulting00:44
alteregoMohammadAG: ?00:44
lcuk_tvMohammadAG: ?00:45
lcuk_tvrotation one00:45
alteregoOne of my users?00:45
MohammadAGit's not rotation lcuk00:46
lcuk_tvwhat is it then00:46
MohammadAGalso, IRC is being retarded on tlaptop00:46
lcuk_tvand make it quick :P magnum series finale is on00:47
MohammadAGit's the bug about starting with an app in portrait mode, not rotation itself :P00:47
MohammadAGalterego, QTBUG 1632300:47
ArGGu^^how I can list dbus services on n900 from commandline00:48
MohammadAGmdbus2 -l i think00:48
MohammadAGyou need mdbus2, obviously00:48
alteregoI always forget what that does.00:48
alteregoThat bug00:49
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG thanks00:49
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MohammadAGalterego, it prevents rewrites and additions to make hildon-desktop portrait00:50
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lcuk_tvMohammadAG, great stuff00:53
lcuk_tvsaw the ping on the bug00:53
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DocScrutinizercreating a DVD backup of 60.000 mails with K3B is busting my nerves01:13
DocScrutinizerit seems the more files are in one directory, the longer K3B needs to stat every single one of them01:15
DocScrutinizeron the largest mail directory, rate gone down to ~20 files/s :-(01:16
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* MohammadAG tranquilizes kerio 01:18
* kerio dodges01:18
DocScrutinizeryeah, you'Re so damn right01:18
* MohammadAG tranquilizes kerio again, with 10 shots01:19
kerioespecially since it's a backup, and UDF isn't so good at permissions n shit01:19
MohammadAGDODGE THAT!01:19
* kerio dodges the 10 shots01:19
DocScrutinizerwell, so now I can muse for hours about fsckng OO code which blows chunks on insert in sorted linked lists01:19
MohammadAGI'm afraid I'm gonna have to nuke you01:19
* kerio dodges the nuke01:19
* MohammadAG gets out h-e-n-controlled nuke01:20
* MohammadAG nukes the earth's core with an N90001:20
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DocScrutinizer93800, oh well. I know last time I tried it's been 10800001:21
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DocScrutinizerthat's been 30 min ago - friggin shit couldn't read the files which had another user01:22
MohammadAGkerio, I prefer xkcd :p01:22
DocScrutinizerso I've seen this movie, just not with my root hat on01:23
DocScrutinizerkerio: you bet I'd have tgz'd it, if only I had enough free space on disk to store them temp file somewhere01:24
eichiBCMM okay. kernel-power works. fcam was broken, but new driver in -testing fixed it. thanks for help!01:25
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BCMMeichi: oh yeah, forgot that you have to reinstall fcam drivers01:25
BCMMiirc a simple apt-get install fcam-drivers (or something) does it01:25
eichiyeah, was no problem, its done allready01:26
* DocScrutinizer wonders why PK doesn't come with fcam drivers by default01:27
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eichiDocScrutinizer PK is in extras, fcam driver in testing? dont know, but think01:27
DocScrutinizerhell, they're even supposed to be backward compatible01:27
DocScrutinizer*sigh* PK of extras is ... err, stinking old?01:28
BCMMhow does the fix work, anyway? does fcam come with drivers compiled for power-kernel too?01:29
DocScrutinizergood question01:29
MohammadAGit insmod-s all .ko files01:29
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eichishould be compiled against same versions...01:29
MohammadAGthe ones that work - well, work, and the ones that don't, don't01:30
MohammadAGso basically, it loads both omap1 and power46 modules01:30
DocScrutinizererr wut? PK46 is in extras?01:30
DocScrutinizeror don't the modules match a certain version of PK?01:31
BCMMMohammadAG: what is "it" in this case? some startup script installed with the fcam drivers?01:31
MohammadAGwhen PK is updated, they push the same source again and it's rebuilt against the newest PK01:31
MohammadAGBCMM, yep01:31
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DocScrutinizeraaah, so -devel has PK46-compliant fcam modules, and xtras whatever 4201:32
DocScrutinizerautomagically :-)01:32
ArGGu^^the notification that sms and email uses is it org.freedesktop.Notifications.Notify?01:33
BCMMMohammadAG: is there some reason not to use stuff like "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/module_i_want.ko" on maemo?01:33
DocScrutinizerBCMM: missing competence?01:33
DocScrutinizeralso I'd expect 7he modules to get autoloaded then01:34
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BCMMDocScrutinizer appears to be broken01:36
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, the concept is mindfucked really01:36
DocScrutinizerconcept of staring at a progress bar, watching counter go up to 116400? yes, I fully agree01:37
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DocScrutinizerby 4 steps of 10 / s >:-(01:38
DocScrutinizerwooooooo it runs again01:38
* BCMM reads the scrollback01:38
BCMMwhy not tar it first?01:38
DocScrutinizer400 / s01:38
DocScrutinizerno space for temp file01:39
BCMMgah, fun01:39
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MohammadAGhow many emails again?01:41
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MohammadAGis it me, or is freenode shitty tonight01:48
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lardmanseems to be Freenode01:51
lardmanthough the red and green text is somewhat soothing01:51
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DocScrutinizer60000 in larges drawer01:52
DocScrutinizererr directory01:52
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, why are you backing up 60000 emails?01:53
MohammadAGindexing them will take a shitload of time01:54
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mikki-kun60k mail.... since when did you start keeping them?01:55
DocScrutinizeryeah >:-((, aborted after 37% of burning, "insufficient permissions accessing writer, finalizing aborted" - DVD = junk, me pissed01:55
DocScrutinizererr, 3 years01:56
alteregoWhat the fuck?01:56
alteregoWhat kind of a retard system are you running? :P01:56
DocScrutinizerMEH, bye01:56
alteregoWell, columbus 0.9.3 has been up for 3 hours, 0 donations :'(01:56
alteregoI think I'm going to bed.01:56
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smokuhow does maemo hide mouse cursor?  I would like to reenable it.  (it's a bit hard to click using a mouse without a cursor ;-) )02:15
BCMMsmoku: i think it just uses a default cursor which isn't there02:16
BCMMif you see what i mean02:16
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BCMMsmoku: when i plug in a USB mouse using H-E-N, a cursor appears - i *think* it's extkbd that does that02:17
BCMMso you could look at how extkbd works02:17
smokuBCMM, mhm.  but under Xephyr I do see a mouse cursor (the X) until hildon-desktop starts02:17
smokuso it's probably somewhere in hildon-desktop code, but grepping for 'cursor' does not help02:17
BCMMsmoku: i mean, i presume it loads a custom cursor which is entirely transparent02:17
BCMM(or is a cursor of size 0*0 permitted?)02:17
smokuok. I will look to extkbd source02:18
BCMMsmoku: i'm not *completely* sure that's why the cursor appears, because i didn't try a mouse before installing it02:20
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smokugrepping extkbd for 'cursor' does not help too :/02:21
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MohammadAGyes, cursor is transparent02:23
MohammadAGit's there, but transparent02:23
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MohammadAGuse bt-hid-scripts to enable it02:24
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* shamus is reloading all his apps on his n800 after a reflash fun fun fun good thing the backup seams to have backupd up everything now just need to figure out why the restore failed to put my crap back in the home holder02:25
smokucp /usr/share/icons/default/cursors/arrow.azerty1 /usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp   - doh :D02:26
smokuMohammadAG, thx :)02:26
MohammadAGyw :)02:26
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MohammadAGI want my HeeGo, ty smoku :P02:27
lardmannight chaps02:27
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MohammadAG(HeeGo = MaeGo, just sounds a bit less weird :P)02:27
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smokuMohammadAG, we've already renamed to 'Cordia'02:28
shamusomg sweet it dit restor stuff as the apps were installed02:28
MohammadAGwhat does that mean?02:28
smokuMohammadAG, just a random word I made up.  it turned out that this is a flower. :)02:28
shamusfirst time doign a reflash02:29
shamuswas woried about the backup02:29
MohammadAGtsk tsk tsk, you're supposed to follow Nokia's trend and use wind names! :P02:29
shamusoh second reflash but first one with data02:29
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smokuMohammadAG, yes.  and since this is exact opposite of meego on maemo core we have a 'Hurricane' codename :)02:30
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smokufor the first release02:31
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MohammadAGHurricane isn't exactly a wind, but... it works I guess :p02:31
smokuit's an exact opposite of Harmattan02:31
MohammadAGAnd maemo 7's gonna be "Tsunami" I guess02:32
smokuharmatan is dry, dusty and light.  hurricane is wet and strong :)02:32
microlithso from winds to waves?02:32
MohammadAGsmoku, and dark02:33
MohammadAGi wonder why never have hurricanes here in IL02:33
smokubut giving a project 'hurricane' name sounded king of cheesy02:34
MohammadAGnah, it's cool :P02:34
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zogg_MohammadAG which files contain the ui of qtmediaplayer i want to see it as an example for creating UI for application02:42
MohammadAGnah, it's cool :P02:42
MohammadAGfuck up + enter02:42
MohammadAGui files, duh :P02:42
MohammadAGthough really, it's not the best ui to use as an example02:43
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zogg_MohammadAG what is git link?02:48
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smokuok. I still do not know how HD hides the cursor, but at least I know how to show it :)02:53
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GuySofthi all, might anyone know how to backup the kernel on a N810 using the flasher?02:54
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eichisomeone uses the ponodoro tool? what does estimate mean in this tool? estimated time or how important it is? (maybe a language problem for me)02:56
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MohammadAGit doesn't hide it smoku02:58
smokuMohammadAG, it sets it to transparent. OK.  but where??!03:00
MohammadAGit doesn't set to transparent :P03:00
MohammadAGall cursors icons are symlinks to transp03:01
MohammadAGso X shows transp03:01
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smokumaybe on Maemo03:01
MohammadAGX handles cursors, not the wm03:01
smokubut not on my suse desktop ;P03:01
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MohammadAGhow come?03:01
MohammadAGXephyr is different fyi03:01
smokui'm running hildon-desktop on my workstation machine03:02
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smokuso I do not have transparent cursors on my machine03:02
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smokuDISPLAY=:2 xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr03:02
smokuand I have normal cursor under Xephyr03:02
smokuI just cannot find where in the hildon-desktop code it gets disabled03:03
GuySofthi all, might anyone know how to backup the kernel on a N810 using the flasher?03:05
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fosstuxHi! How can I configure custom colours für use in the calendar?03:08
fosstuxIs the calendar palette configured in a config file or is it theme based?03:09
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fosstuxif yes, where???03:09
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BCMMsmoku: if it helps, a default cursor can be seen when you mouse-over certain not-very-hildonised applications03:10
MohammadAGsmoku, X=! Xephyr03:10
MohammadAGhildon-desktop doesn't handle the cursor at all03:11
MohammadAGthat's probably you enabling the host cursor in xephyr03:12
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smokuMohammadAG, no. the Xephyr cursor stays in the Xephyr window when the X cursor leaves it03:15
smokuI see the default X cursor in Xephyr window until I launch hildon-desktop - then it disappears. and reapears once I close hildon-desktop process03:16
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javispedrosmoku: it might in matchbox03:52
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merlin_phonehm is there a way to have trackerd index a directory only for sound but not for image files?03:55
smokujavispedro, oh. I forgot that it is linked in statically.  thanks :)03:56
merlin_phonei'm bored of having all my album art in the image app03:57
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BCMMwow, Dorian ebook reader is pretty nice03:57
BCMM(i want to be able to customise the colourscheme, but that's a minor thing)03:57
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Psihow does the n900 work when you put in a microsd card? does it auto mount under MyDocs or something?04:02
nox-mine ends up on /media/mmc104:04
Psiso it doesnt auto setup and start using the card for stuff?04:05
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Psilike backup your contacts to the card and create folders for stuff04:06
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shamusger i lost all my pidgen and xchat settings during my refrsh and they did nto get restured when i restored my back up :-(04:09
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monoZas is the BBM for maemo04:10
shamuswell atleast my caender survived04:10
monoZany version??04:11
shamusomg i lost all my flipclock alarms too04:12
monoZfor N90004:12
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Psiheh, got ajaxplorer running on n90004:14
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nox-Psi, most(?) things let you select either the internal MyDocs flash or the microsd04:17
Psiah, ok04:19
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BCMM_Psi: it doesn't "take over" the card or anything. it just mounts it and shows it in the file-manager04:24
BCMM_the reason you can go up one level and see the fake N900 directory is that removable media will be shown next to it04:24
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* shamus makes note to self to backup .flipclockprefs.xml manuly04:31
shamusnext time he has to reflash04:31
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DocScrutinizerGuySoft: there is no way to backup kernel04:34
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sid_onDocScrutinizer: maybe boot of ubi fs?04:37
sid_ondont know; sadly dont know much ofit04:38
sid_on... maybe mount ubi fs04:38
DocScrutinizer51sid_on: you can read out mtd incl bad blocks, but not write back04:38
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Hydroxidehey. my N900 is 100% dead (won't turn on even with a fully charged battery). RIP. How might I be able to get stuff off of the internal storage? I'm OK with disassembling it, and OK finding someone with whatever equipment I need (maybe something to access NAND or whatever)04:40
Hydroxideit's long since past the warranty period, of course04:40
GuySoftDocScrutinizer, nevermind, flashed and back by now04:40
smokuBTW, is Xephyr delivered with Maemo SDK is special in regard to OpenGL?  I recall testing some OpenGL apps under SDK and they run smooth. But on my local suse Xephyr clutter test apps give me around 4fps.04:40
GuySoftcant get nitdoird working though.. seems to think i have no battery04:41
SpeedEvilHydroxide: all N900s (in the EU) are warrantied.04:42
SpeedEvilHydroxide: I suppose suggesting 'restore from backups' is not helpful?04:42
sid_onstrange; i bought it because it is linux and not android04:42
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HydroxideSpeedEvil: mine is not in the EU :) anyway, no, that isn't helpful. I think I have even made some backups, but not the most current info04:42
SpeedEvilHydroxide: what do you want to recover?04:43
HydroxideSpeedEvil: contacts, primarily04:43
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SpeedEvilHydroxide: might it be the USB connector?04:43
HydroxideSpeedEvil: which would be on the internal storage as I understand it04:43
HydroxideSpeedEvil: the USB connector no longer exists :) physically :)04:43
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HydroxideSpeedEvil: however I've been charging the battery separately with a Li-Ion battery charger04:43
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HydroxideSpeedEvil: the battery is fully charged. it doesn't turn on. I just bought a replacement phone. (Android, sadly; I really wanted the N9 to come out before my phone died, but it didn't happen. maybe when this one dies I'll look at the then-current MeeGo options.)04:44
SpeedEvilAnd this no longer works?04:44
SpeedEvilDo you own a voltmeter?04:44
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HydroxideSpeedEvil: I know people who do.04:45
SpeedEvilI would check that the battery actually has voltage.04:45
HydroxideI assumed there would be some degree of hardware hacking in this project.04:45
HydroxideSpeedEvil: oh ... hm ... well it does show as fully charged in the charger (which has an LCD display)04:45
SpeedEvilThe battery has internal protection devices that could be triggered by a improper charge.04:45
HydroxideSpeedEvil: I've also done many rounds of charging before with no problem using this charger04:45
SpeedEvilDesoldering the NAND is unfortunately really complex.04:46
HydroxideSpeedEvil: and it's within the electrical parameters04:46
SpeedEvilIt's a BGA chip.04:46
HydroxideSpeedEvil: of the charger04:46
SpeedEvilI would first - if I was doing this - try to replace the USB socket.04:46
SpeedEvilAnd then see if the rootfs can be flashed - this does not remove contacts.04:47
DocScrutinizer51err isn't NAND on PoP04:47
SpeedEvilNAND is a seperate package04:47
HydroxideSpeedEvil: how would the USB port being fixed help if it doesn't turn on with a fully charged battery? are you thinking that the problem might be specifically in accessing the battery, not in turning on per se?04:47
SpeedEvilmy bad.04:47
SpeedEvilI meant EMMC04:47
SpeedEvilHydroxide: 'doesn't turn on' can be due to several causes that may be work-aroundable with a woking USB port04:48
HydroxideSpeedEvil: ok. well the port is physically missing - of course it originally got weakened due to the bad surface-mounting design decision04:48
HydroxideSpeedEvil: and it fell into a pharmacy escalator (not joking!) so is really lost04:48
DocScrutinizer51esp without a loose usb rcptcl shorting circuits04:49
SpeedEvilThe USB socket is a commodity part.04:49
HydroxideDocScrutinizer51: I understood 6 of those 8 words :)04:49
HydroxideDocScrutinizer51: (minus esp and rcptcl)04:49
HydroxideSpeedEvil: and would it be obvious after disassembly how to solder it on?04:50
Kilrooespecially receptacle?04:50
HydroxideDocScrutinizer51: well it's definitely not short-circuiting anything by not being there :)04:50
SpeedEvilHydroxide: For someone skilled in the art.04:51
HydroxideSpeedEvil: right. again, that's not me, but I may know people.04:52
SpeedEvilI wonder if your average nokia care centre would be able to coldflash the phones rootfs.04:52
SpeedEvilThis doesn't need the USB connector04:52
Hydroxidewouldn't the idea be to extract something, instead of changing what's on the rootfs?04:52
SpeedEvilHydroxide: you flash the rootfs - on the huypothesis that something has become corrupted, and this allows it to boot.04:53
HydroxideSpeedEvil: oh, my hypothesis is hardware damage04:53
SpeedEvilFor example, also, the power button may have been damaged04:53
SpeedEvilThis would do the above too.04:53
HydroxideSpeedEvil: it literally didn't leave my bedroom from when I turned it off normally (via the power button UI) and when it failed to turn on several hours later04:54
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HydroxideSpeedEvil: and it didn't fall during that time, or get wet during that time. though it may have been used in moist weather previously.04:54
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SpeedEvilBut you can work around that by setting 'R&D' mode IIRC04:54
SpeedEvilOR maybe it's some ohter mode - I forget - but you can only do that with USB04:54
DocScrutinizer51heh, not w/o usb04:54
Hydroxidesure, yeah. i've done R&D mode before (when I had a usb port)04:54
SpeedEvilIt's possible it's some more involved hardwared amage - but reading the NAND after desoldering is not easy04:55
SpeedEvilreading the EMMC04:55
DocScrutinizer51haha, yes04:55
Hydroxidehm. there's no way to get the EMMC inserted into some MMC form factor for reading in my laptop's MMC reader?04:56
KilrooI hope my new class 10 32GB microsd is delivered soon...04:56
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SpeedEvilHydroxide: yes, it's possible - it is very, very tricky.04:56
SpeedEvilAnd would require serious skills.04:56
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: different interface04:57
SpeedEvilI thought that EMMC was backwards compatible with the MMC interface04:57
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski claimed it's a wider bus04:57
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DocScrutinizer518 vs 4 or sth04:58
SpeedEvilI think it is, but it's backwards compatible to the earlier 4 and 1 bit protocols too.04:58
SpeedEvilIn practice, this is nearly impossible to do.04:58
Hydroxidewell I'll do the obvious thing first and see dust got in that is shorting the usb :)04:59
Hydroxide(I know dust itself can't short things, but maybe bits of metal are there, or something)04:59
Hydroxide*see if dust ...04:59
DocScrutinizer51for sure it's cheaper to swap with a working N900 rather than build special adapter04:59
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HydroxideDocScrutinizer51: swap *what* with a working n900 though?05:01
Hydroxideassuming I or someone else figured out how to desolder and resolder it, yes :)05:02
SpeedEvilIt's a fine-pitch BGA chip.05:02
SpeedEvil - the large rectangular toshiba chip at the top right next to the camera05:06
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Psiheh apache is eating up all my memory05:08
DocScrutinizerhe, that's been fun :-)05:10
Dhraakellianoy vey05:10
DhraakellianFor some unknown reason, my n900 keeps randomly shutting off when I'm not looking05:11
KilrooThat's odd.05:11
DocScrutinizerI hate the blurry cam shots of case etc though05:11
KilrooMine only shuts itself off when the rotatedaemon confuses it.05:11
Dhraakellianrequiring a battery removal/reseat to boot up again05:11
DhraakellianI've never actually seen it happen05:11
Dhraakellianbut it's annoying when I go to check the time only to find that the phone has shut off05:12
HydroxideSpeedEvil: that's the THGBM10B0BEBA12?05:12
Hydroxide(heh, not sure which part of that is what)05:12
Dhraakelliansometimes, it'll go for a day or two05:13
DhraakellianToday, it shut off twice05:13
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DhraakellianI think it started about the same time I installed Rockbox05:13
Dhraakellian...but given that it happens even when I haven't run Rockbox on that boot-up, I doubt there's anything causal05:14
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blackthornedamn, I gave 600 eur for an iPhone 4, it's great but I have to say it wasn't reached the fun factor given by my 200 eur N900...05:37
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shamushow do i restore the fm radio playlist with the fmradio app on the n800? i have tryed manuly copypasting but it refuses to update on the app even after rebootign05:42
shamuswould windowb be messing up the %gconf.xml?05:46
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Termanagood morning06:13
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daxtguys , is there any voice changing app for maemo ?06:20
daxtdoc|home  xD   ya i need a voice changing app :D06:25
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manaruwhat app06:26
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doc|homethat's just a tiny bit creepy06:26
manaruand change06:26
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daxteven though there are legal issues , u just need to have some fun by changing the voice :D06:32
daxtits worth taking the risk ;)06:32
daxtanybody know a voice changing app for maemo ?06:33
SpeedEvilThere isn't.06:34
SpeedEvilIt's in principle possible, but nobody has written one.06:34
SpeedEvilThe web browser however is very capable, and you can use that to order a helium tank.06:35
daxtit wont be that hard to change the voice dynamically06:35
daxtwith multithreading capabilities of Cortext06:36
SpeedEvilYou're missing the point.06:36
SpeedEvilIt's not hard to change.06:36
daxtso we should write one :D06:36
SpeedEvilBut the whole phone sybsystem is rotten with poorly documented and closed bits.06:36
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daxtwho is in here interested in having a voice changing app on your N900 ? Raise your arms PLEASE !06:37
SpeedEvilBut not enough to code it.06:37
maemoRebeldaxt: Me, me meeee!!!!!!06:37
daxt3 votes so far06:38
daxtwho else ?06:38
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maemoRebelIs there a way on n900 to disable tracker indexing until next reboot?06:39
daxtlooks like othere are not interested :(06:39
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SpeedEvildaxt: most peopel in here are asleep.06:43
daxtkeep the idea in mind06:44
daxtlets push it on to others06:45
daxti have to go06:45
daxttake care06:45
SpeedEvilmaemoRebel: Tracker config can be foind in /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg06:45
SpeedEvilmaemoRebel: because it's 5AM in most of europe06:45
maemoRebeloh, ok06:45
SpeedEvilAnd midnight on west coast of US06:45
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daxti am from Sri Lanka06:45
daxtits 10:16 am and very sunny06:46
daxthave to do some farming now :D06:46
SpeedEvilI'm from Scotland, it's 4C, and very dark.06:46
daxtcya guys06:46
maemoRebelhow come your up in middle of the night?06:46
SpeedEvilI have a disturbed sleep cycle.06:47
maemoRebelcan Sleepanalyser fix it? :-)06:47
SpeedEvilI know it's completely fucked.06:47
SpeedEvilI went to sleep at 3PM last night, and woke up at 3AM.06:48
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SpeedEvilActually - it was I woke up at 10PM06:48
manarutime zone?06:48
maemoRebelwhy'd you do that for?06:48
SpeedEvilIt's seemingly random at this point.06:48
SpeedEvilBecause I'm feeling like crap, and falling asleep randomly for long periods.06:49
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maemoRebelyou're feeling down, because of the random sleep cycle, or theres something else going on, and therefore your sleep gets messed up?06:50
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SpeedEvilChronic Fatigue Syndrome. Generally un-fun.06:51
SpeedEvilAggravated by some random infection.06:51
maemoRebeloh man, that sucks06:52
maemoRebelhave you got health insurance?06:52
SpeedEvilUK, so no. Free healthcare.06:52
maemoRebelso did you see a doc. about it yet?06:53
maemoRebeland there was nothing he could do?06:54
SpeedEvilNot really.06:55
maemoRebelthat stinks06:56
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DocScrutinizerfor the voice cooker check sox07:18
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DocScrutinizerthe problem isn't the voice manipulation, but f'ing PA and missing docu how to feed mic to sox and esp how to feed sox to GSM07:21
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i never claimed it's wider bus07:32
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's just different physical size07:33
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SpeedEvilI think it is a wider bus though07:40
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Psidoes anyone know of a desktop widget for maemo that lets you stop/start a service (debbie-sue) and also shows you if its currently running?07:43
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peb_Hi guys08:40
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jonwilbah there must be SOME binary that I can use to identify the size of some of these data structures :(08:56
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Sicelodoes Claws Mail on the N900 support IMAP-IDLE?09:31
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threshhow do I install fremantle sysroot in madde ?09:36
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threshmad-admin list shows me fremantle-1030            (installable)09:37
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threshbut mad-admin fetch doesnt show the corresponding entry.09:38
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alteregothresh: either download the sysroot manually, or install madde with Nokia Qt SDK (preferred)09:44
threshi've installed madde using
jonwilReverse engineering mobile code is a lot harder than the desktop code I am used to reverse engineering...09:44
threshmeego target seems to work.09:45
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threshother than i'm having nvidia and qemu-gl seems to have problems with it :)09:45
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alteregothresh: install Nokia Qt SDK and copy the sysroot archive and maemo conf files to the meego madde09:46
alteregoThere's unfortunately not an easy way to install them together09:46
MohammadAGalterego, I'm away from my PC, can you test something?09:46
alteregoMohammadAG: I'm away from my PC (on bus) no :P09:47
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threshalterego: that, and i'm not really on a supported system :)09:47
threshand i'm kind of opposed of launching random .run files09:47
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threshI guess getting a sysroot manually is the best choice09:48
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threshI guess updating to a less outdated madde will also help?09:50
MohammadAGyou just need the sysroot09:50
threshas I can see for instance09:51
threshwell, i'd rather use PR1.3.. of course I can run dist-upgrade there anyway09:51
MohammadAGi took the easy way out and installed both SDKs, then manually removed the Qt Creator stuff of one09:51
alteregothresh, the meego sysroot is newer than the maemo one ;)09:52
alteregoIt's actually what I use.09:52
threshalterego: well I want to use maemo09:52
threshand build some .dpkgs09:53
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threshdebs of course, ENEEDMORECOFFEE09:53
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alteregothresh: yeah, it's still fine to use meego madde, you just  need the corret sysroot and toolchain, (which I had to extract from the Nokia Qt SDK)09:54
alteregoAlso, the Nokia SDK is pretty clean, installs in your home, doesn't need root privs and is self contained09:56
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threshthanks guys, launched QT SDK installer, seems to have a feature only to install maemo stuff.10:10
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infobotsomebody said bbiab was be back in a bit10:18
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threshwtf: $ sudo mad-admin list  | grep -i fremantle10:25
threshfremantle-pr13              (installable)10:25
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thresh$ sudo mad-admin create -f fremante-pr1310:25
threshNo predefined target/runtime 'fremante-pr13' found.10:25
threshah crap10:25
threshsorry :(10:25
threshdefinitely need more coffe10:25
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threshhow do I "login" or chroot to madde target?10:30
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EsEhArunable to login in the scratchbox10:37
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EsEhArERROR: Operation not permitted10:37
EsEhArERROR: Operation not permitted10:37
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koala_manhow and with what can I sync my calendar, when google isn't supported?10:54
korhojoagoogle still works, even though it's not supported10:54
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koala_mannot well. when I add stuff, I have to sync right away. 30% of the time it fails, then I have to delete the item, recreate it, and try again. recently it says it's been down for maintenance all the time.10:55
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koala_manis there some foss server software which is supported? or some non-MfE ip based syncing method, either built-in or from a 3rd party?10:58
koala_manis sync currently working for anyone with google?11:02
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hajgpodder... when downloading a large number of podcasts on a wifi connection it seems to make the n900 do kind of io-hugging thing... known bug?11:07
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andre__haj: query gpodder's bugtracker?11:08
jacekowskikoala_man: yes it's working with google11:10
jacekowskikoala_man: and there is free server software doing server side mfe as well11:10
jacekowskikoala_man: just google it11:10
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threshis there a way to create a simple chroot using madde / sysroots etc?11:11
threshi have a fully working qemu-arm installation, that at least is capable of launching qthello via binfmt_misc entry11:11
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koala_manjacekowski: I tried. can you give me a hint?11:16
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koala_manI'll give syncevolution a go11:20
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hajandre__: limit_rate solved it.. ;) appeantly its not a good idea to download with +1mb/sec with gpodder..11:22
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nidOkoala_man: erminig lets you sync google calendars fine11:27
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thphaj: have you set gpodder to download multiple files simultaneously?11:31
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hajthp: no11:34
hajthp: i just set it to limit_rate = True and limit_rate_value = 200.0 .. now it works just fine, and 200kbps is good enough for me... ;)11:34
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thphaj: :)11:39
jonwilIts looking more and more like maemo will never be able to do cell broadcast (even though the hardware and cellmo firmware are capable of it11:40
trumeehaj, where do you set limit_rate?11:41
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korhojoajonwil, WAIT, WHAT? We could start our own base station with just the phones?11:41
jonwilI mean Cell Broadcast SMS11:41
jacekowskihardware is capable of doing it11:41
jonwilwhich is a feature of the GSM standards11:41
jonwilhardware can do Cell Broadcast11:41
hajtrumee: .config/gpodder/gpodder.conf11:42
jonwilevidence from ofono says that the cell modem should be able to do it11:42
trumeehaj, thanks11:42
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koala_mannidO: does it work on the latest n900 firmware? it doesn't appear to be in extras or extras-testing11:43
nidOit's in devel, but works fine11:43
thptrumee: on maemo 5, you should set it when gpodder is not running - otherwise gpodder won't know about the update and could overwrite it11:44
trumeethp, thanks. i did that11:44
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trumeethp, i usually download podcasts overnight using a script. and had to powercycle N900 in the morning11:45
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trumeethp, but with limitrate i wont have to powercycle i think11:45
reenignEesreveRsomeone gave a link for compiling my source code for maemo using gcc. Could someone please share it with me again?11:46
jonwilif I could just figure out some of these damn libisi functions (or had the libisi devel package) I could have CBSMS going (at least to the point where its able to pick up the incoming messages, if not actually doing something with them) inside a week11:46
jacekowskireenignEesreveR: google.com11:46
thptrumee: strange, i never have a problem with downloading at full speed11:47
trumeethp, i dont have any issue with downloading11:47
trumeethp, but the device is snappier if i powercycle. guess gpodder causes things to go into swap11:48
reenignEesreveRthanks crashanddie11:52
reenignEesreveRbtw does gcc work on the device itself?11:52
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crashanddiereenignEesreveR, though, jacekowski is right. Google does work really great for those kind of questions.
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_trinewhats the current kernel version11:58
reenignEesreveRok, lemme rephrase my question: has anyone here ever succesfully run gcc on n900 because i've tried the results on google and they are verrry daunting11:58
ZogGlcuk, you used wrong tag11:59
_trineI am on 2.6.28 here11:59
lcukZogG, hm?11:59
ZogGlcuk, change guinness to Weihenstephan11:59
Sicelowow, gcc on N900! :D i am impressed.12:00
crashanddiereenignEesreveR, yes, no problem12:00
crashanddiereenignEesreveR, just make sure you have plenty of space on the rootfs, then apt-get build-essential12:00
crashanddieyou may have to add the sdk repository though, don't remember12:00
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reenignEesreveRthanks crashanddie, i'll google the repository required12:01
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]is gcc installable to chroot sdk image as well?12:01
crashanddiechroot sdk image?12:01
crashanddiein scratchbox?12:01
ZogGlcuk twitter, i damn follow your every step12:02
* ZogG is stalker12:02
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]qole built an ext2 image a while back12:02
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]i'll find the link.12:02
lcuk[DrkGUNMAN-N900], "SDK" hmmm software development kit, what would that need12:04
lcukhmmm lets see, perhaps a compiler12:04
lcuknahh, I dont think gcc will work in it12:05
* lcuk slaps you with frals' herring12:05
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lcukZogG, yes I need to try more drinks12:06
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]nevermind, if it don't work it was worth a try anyway12:06
ZogGi don't like dark beer12:06
ZogGi like unfiltered beer12:06
ZogGWeihenstephan is my favorite12:06
threshfremantle pr13 chroot, anyone? :(12:06
ZogGlcuk, try goldstar, do you have goldstar?12:07
lcukZogG, I don't know what they have, its an Irish bar though12:07
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]herring aren't as effective as trout :)12:07
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lcuk[DrkGUNMAN-N900], and mornings without coffee are the same12:09
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lcukso you are right12:09
* lcuk puts down the herring and replaces it with a trout12:10
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]that reminds me. time for a brew.. i'll put the kettle on12:11
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* alterego ponders12:16
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alteregoI have a class which requires a QSqlDatabase taken in through its' constructor, but I don't want plugins that use its' header to have to include that dependency.12:17
* alterego sighs12:18
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alteregoThink I might have to factor it out and define an interface ..12:18
sar3thi just reflashed my n900 (userdata and kernel), but it seems i cannot install certain apps, eg cutetube: "missing packages: libc6 (>=2.7-1)" :/12:19
sar3thany ideas/suggestions?12:19
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andre__sar3th, default libc6 version on latest Maemo5 is 2.5.1. No idea why cutetube requires a higher version and where to get it from12:23
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sar3thhm :/12:26
RST38hAAS is *really* desperate now:
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sar3ththere is several applications which have similar problems12:26
RST38hPoor guy...12:26
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lardmanshell script gurus present (or even those who've even seen one)?12:41
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lardmancan I do something like: for i in 1 2 3 4 5 ; do  partition=mmcblk1p${i}12:42
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sar3thlardman: <- i think that'll be useful :)12:45
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SpeedEvillardman: yes12:55
SpeedEvilbut that too12:55
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lardmanthanks chaps13:01
lardmanwhat's the easiest way of generating a <0 return code so I can test the use of $?13:03
jonwilDoes the n900 support system call tracing in the default kernel?13:03
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lardman[$?] that is13:03
lardmanok, thanks13:03
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alteregofalse; echo $?13:03
* lardman tried to make his init script as robust as possible13:04
alteregoit's actually > 013:04
alteregoBut anything non 0 is false13:04
lardmanyeah just noticed that13:05
daxthey lardman , how many pigs have you got in ur farm ?13:06
jonwilhmmm, I doubt system call tracing would help in my case anyway :P13:06
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lardmandaxt: none, mainly in my sandwiches13:07
daxtlardman ,  not good for ur heart mate13:07
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lardmanI prescribe bacon13:08
daxteven worse13:08
daxtbe a vege13:08
lcukmmmm bacon13:09
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lcuklardman, you don't just prescribe it, you cut it, cook it and eat it.  you would be a bad pharmacist13:10
lcuk"sorry, you need bacon, but i ate it all"13:10
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lardmanwhy do I get the following error: ./ 32: [[: not found13:11
lardmanwhere s/32/2113:11
lcuklardman, closest to that i have used is:13:15
lcuk        unoptify_one "$OPT_LINK"13:15
lcuk        [ $? -eq 1 ] && return13:15
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lardmanah, sh doesn't like double [[s13:17
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lcuklardman, not sure, i think with bash scripting you just add extra to be sure13:21
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trxis there i way i can temporarily disable Fn+Syn dialog from opening, when in my app?13:25
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alteregotrx: you can handle the key presses exclusively.13:26
alteregoYou need to intercept the X key event and stop it propogating to hildon though13:27
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trxgod damn X13:27
trxwhatever i try to do with it13:27
trxi just does nothing :/13:27
trxno errors, no nothing..13:27
trxso via X is the only way?13:28
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trxi cant tell hildon to pass the event and not use it?13:28
DaReaperAbout the saturation effect of hildon-desktop , has anyone tried it out ?13:29
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trxDaReaper works fine13:30
DaReaperokay i'll give it a try13:30
DaReaperthank you13:30
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lardmanhmm, annoying that I can't get adb to work under Linux13:32
* lardman reboots to Win7 where it does work13:33
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KevinBHi guys13:42
KevinBis there a way that n900 doesnt check the magnet for mmc security?13:42
DocScrutinizerlardman|gone: [[ != test13:42
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lcukKevinB, its not security13:44
lcukits making sure its plugged in and connected and lid closed13:44
lcukif you cannot close lid and have magnet really there, try this:13:45
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KevinBwell, may the n900 let me take in charge that function :) ?13:45
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lcuk(as noted: )13:46
lcukKevinB, meh, its wired in and set, more hassle to remove it for a specific device than to just put the back back on ;)13:46
KevinBso no way to escape that, I guess. Just the magnet has gone... fridge ones aren't powerfull enough, and earbud ones are un extractable13:47
lcukwhere theres a will, theres a way.13:48
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lcukKevinB, nothing is unextractable, we have brought back stardust and comet fragments from the cosmos and you cannot find a magnet here on earth?13:49
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KevinBhaha, bring me a comet, yea sure there s always a way13:49
nomisit probably is a rare earth magnet.13:49
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DocScrutinizerKevinB: get a matching magnet, or a spare battery cover13:53
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lcukKevinB, you aren't by chance anywhere near the LHC are you?13:54
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KevinBwell 4-5 hours by car13:54
lcukI hear they have some magnets lying around13:54
DocScrutinizernot that small ones13:54
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KevinByou think some boson particules would magnetize it, and become thhe superN900 no one would ever had?13:55
DocScrutinizersmall powerful magnets usually can be found in HDDs13:55
RobbieThe1stI'm sure you can get a magnet of any size you need13:55
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* chem|st got an ovi drinking bottle and has no idea for what purpose the inlay is13:56
KevinBWell if someone could tell Nokia I 'm okay to pay 10 bucks more for a better glue, would b great13:58
chem|stKevinB: glue?13:59
KevinBisnt glue that sticks the magnet14:00
chem|stKevinB: didn't see anything "glued" yet14:00
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mikki-kunwell, my magnet came of as well, but from the kickstand and now the two magnets cuddle each other all the time and can't let go of one another...14:04
chem|stand is it a magnetswitch for the sd slot? thought it is optical14:04
chem|stmikki-kun: was it glued in as it looks cramped to me14:04
mikki-kun*checking with a magnifier*14:05
chem|sta drop of glue helps anyway14:05
mikki-kunit seems to use some glue14:06
mikki-kunbut it is also cramped in14:06
mikki-kuni guess am combination of both14:07
mikki-kunchem|st: iirc it is a magnetswitch14:07
chem|stthat makes me wonder why it came off14:09
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mikki-kunproduction errors :)14:11
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chem|stI should realy talk to one of the guys about a job offer (I like finnlandia)...14:12
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fenrirany advice on flashing N900 to its original settings14:14
chem|stfenrir: linux or windows?14:14
fenrirwhen ii am tryiing flasher i get this14:14
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fenrirchem|st:  win14:15
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chem|stfenrir: 3.1 95 98 ME NT4.1 2k xp vista 7?14:16
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chem|stand what do you get?14:17
lardmanwell it didn't boot, in fact I'm doubtful it even got out of the android init.rc script14:17
sar3thseems your image is corrupt? :/14:18
fenrirso just download the iimage again ?14:19
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sar3ththat's what i'd try14:20
fenrirand after flashiiiing it back to defaults i can run ovi suite restore to restore contacs and so o on from my backup file ?14:20
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chem|stfenrir: that might work... for the future... use the build-in backup tool14:24
fenrirchem|st:  you mean the built in N900 backup ?14:25
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chem|stthat just works but you need to copy the files by hand to your computer14:26
* chem|st feels wierd by talking about computer as he thinks the n900 is one already14:26
fenrirhaha yeah14:27
fenrirthe battery iis crap tho14:27
fenriror well depends14:28
nidOthe battery life of mine randomly decided to suddenly become amazing a month or so ago, so im happy with the life of mine now \o/14:28
threshwhat, it lives for 5 hours instead of two now?14:28
chem|stnidO: what 10h instead of 8h?14:29
ThreeMdie battery will need a few recharge cicles to be "good"14:29
nidOno, it now manages 7 days idle, instead of 214:29
chem|stnidO: idle in terms of no wifi/gsm?14:29
nidOsince the day i bought it over a year ago i've generally gotten in the region of 48 hours idle/low usage out of it14:29
nidOthen bam, end of december, it suddenly lasts a week14:29
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chem|stnidO: 72h was my max yet14:30
nidOchem|st: yeah, or wifi on with power saving, which has only ever made a small dent in battery life14:30
sar3thnidO: i experienced the same thing. well, not as extreme though, i have now 2 days avg instead of one14:30
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ThreeManyway die lifetime of the N900 is not difference from a HTC Desire (for example)14:30
chem|stnidO: so no skype and no msn at your end14:30
nidOchem|st: nope, nothing14:31
mikki-kunhow often do you clean your n900? i mean not just wash of the screen fast but really try doing it good and get as much out as possible?14:31
ThreeMso any smartphoe has worse batterylifetime :)14:31
chem|stnidO: that is the key, without IM you have only wifi keepalives and thats not much14:32
nidOchem|st: yes I know, but the point is even without any im communications for the entire past year the device has always struggled to make it past 48 hours idle/low usage, even when its a totally clean reflash on it14:33
nidOnow it suddenly uses about 15% battery a day doing the same14:33
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lcuknidO, so ~1 week?14:34
chem|stnidO: pr1.3 put me down to about 24h now, normal day usage was like 48h, now the battery was down to 40% after 8h in day14:34
nidOI just noticed it between christmas and new year, saw the battery was at 30% or so and occured to me I hadnt charged it for ages, checked battery-eye and saw that the last time id charged it was 5 days earlier14:34
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sar3thchem|st, that depends on your network - at university, people are too stupid to turn off UPnP, that adds a lot of addition to that, there are "random" broadcasts coming in14:34
mikki-kunand also how close you are to your wireless source :)14:35
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sar3thi'm pretty happy with it though, it usually lasts longer than my friend's htc desire :D14:35
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nidOtbh, roll on the day when "we can increase the power output of atomic batteries enough to power cellphones" isnt "two years away" every 2 years for the past 2 decades, and actually happens14:37
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lardmandoes init having pid==1 matter at all?14:42
mikki-kuni think init has always pid=114:42
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lardmanyeah, but what if I need to use an initramfs and can't exec the main rootfs init14:43
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RST38hAtomic batteries have got pretty nice power output14:44
RST38hIt is shielding that is causing some practical problems :)14:45
lardmanhmm, seems that exec might not even work in the android init.rc, that could be why it's failing14:46
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CorsacRST38h: especially when you put it in your trousers14:47
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RST38hlardman: what are you hacking? B)14:47
lardmanGalaxy Tab14:47
RST38hCorsac: Well, it is likely to tear your trousers, or at least severely weight them down14:48
lardmantrying to pass control to Meego on a btrfs partition on the uSD card, but leaving Android intact too14:48
RST38hNo, your balls will not turn into little glowing pyramids14:48
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RST38hlardman: Can it do chroot?14:49
lardmanI have busybox in the initramfs14:49
lardmanI think switch_root is the one I need14:49
lardmanbut I'm not certain by any stretch of the imagination14:50
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lardmanbuggers, in their docs they talk about the exec command and then don't bother to implement it14:51
RST38hMath majors!14:52
lardmanI need to use the Android init so I can bring up Android (well I guess I could do it all with script-tasticness, but Android init works, so I was thinking that would be easiest)14:52
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lardmanhmm, ok, that makes me happier at least14:53
Ex-OpesaI installed "kernel-power-settings" as it was intructed here
* lardman is assuming that Samsung have also left out the exec functionality14:53
Ex-OpesaI did the installation process through SSH and I didn't "halt" it. I used "reboot" command and now the device keeps rebooting. What to do?14:54
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trxwhere are headers for libqt situated in scratchbox?14:57
lardmando you have the -dev packages installed?14:57
trxwell, i have headers for all libs (eg. liblocation, libconic, gtk, etc..)14:58
trxso probably yes14:58
lardmandpkg --listfiles then?14:59
* lardman wonders if that switch is right14:59
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Venemo_N900I got my laptop back15:03
Venemo_N900but it isn't repaired :(15:03
Venemo_N900they were unable to reproduce the issue...15:03
MohammadAGWhat was the issue again?15:03
MohammadAGI keep forgetting15:03
Venemo_N900random freezing during heavy load15:03
MohammadAGoh that15:04
MohammadAGsend it in after a month15:04
MohammadAGthey'll be able to reproduce it :P15:04
MohammadAGsame happened to me15:04
MohammadAGtold them it was the GFX card, after a week they returned with an extra warranty sticker15:04
MohammadAGsent it back a month later, and they said it was the card, I was like no shit15:05
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MohammadAGI'd try to narrow down the problem15:05
Venemo_N900I'd say, mainboard fault15:05
MohammadAGsee what's causing it, one of three, CPU, GFX or RAM15:06
MohammadAGdoubt it's that15:06
Venemo_N900not ram, not gfx15:06
MohammadAGdo a memtest, that's RAM crossed out15:06
Ex-OpesaHow can I reflash n900 if it restarts after few seconds?..15:06
MohammadAGrun a make -j 4 :p15:06
MohammadAGif it crashes, send that as a way to reproduce15:06
MohammadAGEx-Opesa, read instructions, you have to press u15:07
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trxlardman i guess i dont then :/15:07
trxwhat is the package name? can i apt-get it?15:07
lardmando apt-cache search qt and see what there is15:07
trxok, ty15:07
Ex-OpesaMohammadAG, Those instructions are on this page?
lardmanthere will be lots15:08
lardmanbut get an idea of the root name, then do it again to get fewer random items :)15:08
lardmannot sure if you can use wildcards, but I think not15:09
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trxill grep it (or is that even possible?)15:10
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Ex-OpesaNevermind, they are there^^15:10
nidOhuh, latest engadget rumour mill for the n9 is an atom chip15:11
lardmantrx: yeah you can pipe the output to grep I guess15:11
MohammadAGnidO, engadget is retarded imho15:11
lardmannidO: where's that one from?15:11
nidOlardman: their source is apparently prosessori, some finnish tech mag15:11
lardmanhmm interesting, the Samsung tarball for the Tab platform is now 10x larger than the last release15:12
lardmansource code that is15:12
lardmanhmm, still not all that full of goodies15:14
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lardmancan one demand the source of an apache 2 licensed code?15:18
lardmanseems not15:19
lcuklardman, hm?15:20
lardmanam just wondering if I can demand that Samsung release the source for their implementation of Android init so that I can confirm that it doesn't implement the exec keyword15:20
lardmanand it's under an Apache 2 licence15:20
JaffaMorning (ish)15:21
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: I replaced the RAM. so that's not the problem. I also ran a gfx card stress test, and that didn't reproduce the issue either15:21
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RST38hlardman: You can demand anything, while standing in front of an anthill15:22
RST38hlardman: The ants will not care.15:22
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: however after a couple of hours of gaming or heavy development, the issue appears15:22
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: and this is very bad to my Starcraft 2 statistics15:23
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Corsachhmhm, rumors on moorestown-based n915:31
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Venemo_N900Corsac: and you believe them?15:38
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chem|stCorsac: as long as there is the capacitive touchscreen there is no n9!15:38
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JaffaCorsac: Nokia would be mad. There's never been a mass market - or even large niche - x86-based phone.15:39
chem|sta n910 with my design would fit any community needs... but nokia wont ever listen to us in regards of device design15:40
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Venemo_N900chem|st: what's your design?15:44
SpeedEvilDoes it have a VT220 full-sized terminal on it?15:45
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SpeedEvilI'm not sure - apart from making the n900 lcd fill a bit more of the bezel - how it could be improved on the basic design.15:46
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chem|stVenemo_N900: I just put up some drawings from what input I got from community based on the n900 design, thiner but wider, ergonomical and one hand use15:47
chem|stlms if I have a pic reachable15:47
TrewasJaffa: why would it matter that there has been no x86 phones before? n9 is supposed to be the first meego phone anyway, so it's not like they have to care about breaking old apps15:47
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, make it slimmer15:47
MohammadAGput a better camera sensor15:48
lardmanSpeedEvil: larger screen, thinner device15:48
lardmanbetter gps, add an e-compass15:48
JaffaTrewas: Because Nokia have too much riding on the first appearance of a MeeGo device to risk it on an unknown h/w architecture.15:48
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MohammadAGput 512MBs of RAM15:48
JaffaTrewas: Poor battery life & heat issues would reflect too badly15:48
MohammadAGrelease with Maemo 515:48
lardmanMohammadAG: or more :)15:48
MohammadAGand more buttons for the love of...15:48
TrewasJaffa: intel atom unknown, really? :) but I see your point15:49
JaffaTrewas: In a phone formfactor, yes.15:49
Venemo_N900chem|st: link please15:49
lardmanpower consumption is still too poor afaiu15:49
JaffaTrewas: For Nokia, in a phone formfactor, yes.15:49
lardmanso I think that immediately rules it out15:49
SpeedEvillardman: I mean easily manufacturable.15:49
MohammadAG3000mAh battery would be nice15:49
SpeedEvillardman: I'm also wearing my electronic designers hat.15:49
JaffaMohammadAG: Not if it consumes 3A/h ;-)15:49
Trewassome intel docs btw claim for new atoms "These power savings translate into >10 days of standby, up to 2 days of audio playback and 4-5 hours of browsing and video battery life" with 1500mAh battery, it does not say whether that should present only the processor/platform or a complete device15:49
lardmanSpeedEvil: well the chipset stuff needs to be done as they need more ram and a faster processor15:50
lardmanbut yeah a larger screen I guess, though they really can't compete with something which is only just a bit bigger than what they have15:50
SpeedEvillardman: more RAM is a gimme. As I understand it, it's possible to fit 512M of RAM - now - on the n900 processor.15:50
lardmani.e. one that would fit in the shell15:50
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lardmanneeds a later processor too, faster15:51
lardmanbut that would all fit15:51
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SpeedEvillardman: See
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lardmanI think they really need to go for ~4" screen though to make the device attractive15:51
MohammadAGchem|st, you need to consider that some people don't use Facebook15:51
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lardmanSpeedEvil: wow, that's odd15:51
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: it appeared correctly15:51
chem|sthave no pic from my followup as this one is thicker and not wide enough, I was thinking of doing a plastic protot. of it once I got a clue about it15:51
SpeedEvillardman: yeah15:52
Venemo_N900chem|st: notya pwnseries lol!15:52
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chem|stMohammadAG: just tested the link without being logged in15:52
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SpeedEvillardman: there is no fundamental reason you have to make screens rectangular - it's just a bit easier15:52
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MohammadAGchem|st, my bad then :p15:52
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lardmanbut how much bezel is there? My N900 is winging its way to be warranty triaged15:52
lardmannot enough I don;t think15:52
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SpeedEvillardman: there is approximately 14mm of distance between the end of the visible screen, and the end of the case, on either side15:53
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lardmanok, so it could have a long aspect ratio screen snuck in there15:54
SpeedEvil~1.5cm more screen is probably just about feasible15:54
infobotokay, SpeedEvil15:54
chem|st19:10 screen was my idea on screen ratio, to get a clue of the size it's drawing is on 5mm paper15:54
SpeedEvilHow do I tell infobot to ignore that15:54
chem|stput a blank in front15:55
SpeedEvilI mean to unlearn that15:55
chem|st~forget 1.5cm15:55
infobotchem|st: i didn't have anything called '1.5cm' to forget15:55
SpeedEvil~forget 1.5cm more screen15:55
infobotSpeedEvil: i forgot 1.5cm more screen15:55
* SpeedEvil ponders bot abuse. 15:55
chem|stah the "is" is the braker15:55
* SpeedEvil decides against it.15:56
chem|streplacing the cam-slide with crystal glass is another idea15:57
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SpeedEvilthe cam slide also stops fingerprints.15:57
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chem|stthey are so out of focus...15:58
SpeedEvileven if you replace it with sapphire, it'll still get fingerprints on it15:58
SpeedEvilBut they blur the image15:58
chem|stso what you tell me you cannot swipe them?15:58
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SpeedEvilNo, I tell you I don't want to look at the screen critically every time I take a photo to work out if there is a fingerprint on it15:59
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chem|stok "keep cam-slide"15:59
lardmanhmm, just makes the device bigger and is something else to break15:59
lardmanI'm undecided about the need for a slider15:59
fenrirwhat i am doing wrong
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fenrirusing this guide
chem|stthat is what I tought but as I am thinking of a proper stand too there must be some space for the slide aswell16:00
lardmanfenrir: your N900 working?16:00
chem|stfenrir: the device is not recognized as line 130 tells16:01
lardmanfenrir: shut the device down without the power lead plugged in, plug the usb cable into the PC, then into the N90016:01
lardmans/power lead/power or usb16:01
chem|stwhile holding "U" key16:02
HoxzerAnybody here has succesfully managed to get snx to work with NoMachine NX?16:02
lardmanno, no need to hold any keys16:03
lardmanall that key stuff is a pita and is not needed if you are sure the device is completely off before you being16:03
chem|stah ok never tried without...16:03
fenrirlardman:   thats what i did16:03
fenrirlardman:  do i need to keep u key pressed all the time16:03
fenriror just on connect16:03
chem|stfenrir: are you using your fron usb or a hub?16:03
lardmandon';t press it at all16:03
infobotchem|st meant: fenrir: are you using your front usb or a hub?16:04
fenrirbasic laptop USB front16:04
fenrirnot hub16:04
MohammadAGwhere can I buy Nokia parts?16:04
MohammadAGI need the N8's bottom battery cover thingy16:04
chem|stMohammadAG: which country?16:04
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chem|stMohammadAG: what is thingy?16:05
lardmanoh you're using Windows, well what I said still holds, but I've never been able to flash using windows16:05
fenrirlardman:  so easyer to do with linux ?16:05
lardmanperhaps in that case holding "u" increases the timeout before the flasher is passed over and it boots, I don't know?16:05
lardmanfenrir: yes, works every time16:06
fenririt seems ii need to install dualboot ubuntu16:06
fenriror ubuntu live cd ?16:06
lardman"By introducing another MeToo handset?" Another?!16:06
fenriri am reinstalliing device software via ovi suite now16:06
fenrirwill see what it does16:06
RST38hlardman: Engadget.16:07
chem|stMohammadAG: for the housing in complete I found one,Original_Complete_Housing_Unit.htm16:07
chem|stbut I guess you dont need the full thing16:07
MohammadAGbut the store's closed till 31/116:08
SpeedEvilRST38h: It could make sense to go with a different processor for N9, if they assume that meego isn't going to be releasable for a year.16:09
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Venemo_N900N9 will run harmattan, so why would they care about MeeGo's releasability?16:11
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chem|stMohammadAG: that one ships EU only...16:16
RST38hSpeedEvil: Dunno. Atom-based N9 in a few weeks sounds unlikely though.16:16
chem|stMohammadAG: maybe it ships when billing adress is in germany16:17
SpeedEvilRST38h: highly16:17
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chem|stMohammadAG: should I ask them or did you find another one?16:18
MohammadAGspam on meego-community ML?16:18
chem|styes "again"16:18
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MohammadAGchem|st, might actually just find a shop that sells it around here16:20
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chem|stMohammadAG: sure but it was hard enough for me to find shops like that... as this one sells all spare parts like buttons as single unit...16:21
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chem|stit might get interesting at the point of the cam as it is the same formfactor as the n900's but 12MP16:22
chem|sta 70eur upgrade...16:23
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: maybe as a European friend of yours to order what you need and then send it to you16:23
MohammadAGI'm a bit pissed that the N8 is all-metal except that piece16:23
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derfchem|st: A higher-res sensor isn't going to be that much help... the optics will still suck.16:23
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: it would be worse if it wasn't metal at all16:24
chem|stderf: well build one in that size...16:24
yaccderf: And I thought we've got a premium Carl Zeiss optic on our N900? *lol*16:24
derfyacc: Yes, it is premium shit.16:24
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chem|stthats just the lens and it is still plastic crap16:25
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, I'll just send it to Nokia Care16:25
MohammadAGit's not my device anyway :p16:25
yaccderf: Well, as I'm not a picture guy, that's not really an issue for me. (Technically my wife dislikes to be photographed ;) )16:25
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derfIt's not much of an issue for me, either.16:26
derfIf you drop the resolution enough, the pictures are tolerably decent.16:26
chem|stso must be sitting at his mailprogram waiting for tmo post reports... an 30seconds old spam report was already taken care of...16:27
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chem|stderf: it is a handheld so it is for snapshots... for photography I use a fullsize dslr nothing else...16:28
chem|stin between is a 10MP quickcam...16:29
jonwilWhere would be a good place to stick my notes on reverse engineering the telephony stack for CBSMS purposes (so others who may have skills can help me fill in the blanks)?16:29
Ex-OpesaI am reflashing the n900 with flasher 3.5, however the flasher's status is "Suitable USB device not found, waiting."16:29
yaccSo will there be harmattan for the N900?16:29
MohammadAGchem|st, I saw both posts, not fast enough!16:29
lardmanjonwil: Maemo wiki16:29
MohammadAGHarmattan? no16:30
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MohammadAGMeeGo, it's already out as a developers' build16:30
jonwilWhere on the wiki?>16:30
yaccMohammadAG, well, isn't that fragmenting a little bit the Finnish mobile world?16:30
chem|stEx-Opesa: take out the battery remove all cables, put in the battery attach usb after backcover is back on (just in case)16:31
Ex-Opesa I am reflashing the n900 with flasher 3.5, however the flasher's status is "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." Is that normal? SHouldn't there be some processing? By the way I can see a dim "usb" icon on right-top of n900.16:31
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Venemo_N900Ex-Opesa: see16:32
infobotmethinks flashing is
jonwilWhere on the wiki should I put these reverse engineering notes?16:32
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Venemo_N900jonwil: you may open your own page if you wanna16:33
Venemo_N900jonwil: what notes are those?16:33
jonwilI am posting notes based on my reverse engineering of the telephony stack (in order to be able to write CBSMS support)16:34
jonwilso that other people can help me fill in the blanks16:34
Venemo_N900jonwil: well then open a new wiki page16:34
Ex-OpesaVenemo_N900: I am already reading  that webpage. I did everything through that only. My question is if "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" is normal or not and if the process is going on or not.16:34
Venemo_N900Ex-Opesa: it is normal _before_ you plug in the N900. after you plugged it in, a progress display should appear16:35
Ex-OpesaVenemo_N900: Ah I see. =)16:36
yaccMohammadAG, well, MeeGo, Maemo and S60^3?16:36
yaccMohammadAG, pundits already complain about different Android as "fragmentation", so what do you call that?16:37
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Venemo_N900yacc: you forgot S4016:38
Ex-OpesaVenemo_N900: Its still the same. I don't know why the process is not going on further..16:38
Venemo_N900Ex-Opesa: what os do you use?16:39
Ex-OpesaI got windows 7.16:39
yaccVenemo_N900, well, not nobody really claims that S40 is a "smartphone" OS.16:39
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Ex-OpesaIs that the problem? I see some issues with 64 bit on that wiki page.16:39
korhojoaeven my friend realizes that it's not a smartphone os16:39
Venemo_N900yacc: it's not for smartphones, but it's there.16:40
korhojoahe's got that c3 thing16:40
Venemo_N900Ex-Opesa: people are having problems with 64-bit windows.16:40
Venemo_N900Ex-Opesa: it never worked on my laptop when I run 64-bit win716:40
yaccVenemo_N900, OTOH, Nokia had this tradition of splintering their OSes, if you remember, they managed also to have a S80 Symbian variant for the Communicators.16:40
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korhojoaVenemo_N900, actually, it works now16:41
korhojoathe communicators were pretty nice actually16:41
Venemo_N900hey thank you lcuk :)16:41
Ex-OpesaVenemo_N900: I will restart my PC now.16:41
Venemo_N900yacc: yeah. fortunately they abandoned s80 and s7016:42
korhojoawhat was wrong with s80?16:42
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korhojoai kind of enjoyed it16:42
korhojoathe always-accessible menu was handy16:42
Venemo_N900yacc: wiki(pedia) is your (girl)friend16:42
yacckorhojoa, yeah, but it was frustrating that the amount of 3rd party apps was slightly lower than for S60.16:42
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Ex-OpesaVenemo_N900: Disabled driver checking via command line in Win7, now PC will reboot. Thanks!16:43
Venemo_N900Ex-Opesa: hmm16:43
Venemo_N900Ex-Opesa: it didn't work for me that way either16:43
Venemo_N900lcuk: I shall give you a more recent version16:43
Venemo_N900lcuk: is there an accelerometer in the idea pad?16:44
korhojoayacc, well, didn't really matter, seeing as many 3rd party apps for s60 were pure ass16:44
korhojoaand almost all of the ones for s80 were good software16:44
lcukVenemo_N900, yes16:44
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yacc <= does not mention Symbian or Nokia, ...16:44
Venemo_N900lcuk: does it cooperate with Qt Mobility?16:44
lcukVenemo_N900, I don't know :) perhaps you could have a dig around and see16:45
* lardman eats bacon roll, mmmmm16:46
* lcuk grabs half of the bacon butty16:46
Venemo_N900yacc: sorry, I mistakenly confused it with S9016:47
Venemo_N900lcuk: okay.16:47
Venemo_N900byebye then, I'll rejoin you from my laptop16:47
Ex-OpesaVenemo_N900: Indeed it didn't work.16:47
yaccS90 rings a bell, but I have trouble to figure out what used it, ...16:48
Venemo_N900yacc: wikipedia Nokia 770016:48
Venemo_N900Ex-Opesa: i recommend you to try a Linux live cd16:48
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fenrirwtf.. "simcard missing"16:50
fenrirGG nokia16:50
Ex-OpesaVenemo_N900: I got Ubuntu 8.04 lying around somewhere. ^^ Lets see..16:50
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Venemo_N900Ex-Opesa: it is supposed to work on it16:52
* lardman passes lcuk some tomato sauce for his stolen half baguette ;)16:52
lcukawesome, thanks lardman that will help wash it down16:52
* lcuk slides over a beer as a peace offering16:52
lardmanmmmmm, sounds good16:52
lcuki nearly wrote bear then16:52
lardmanthat would have stopped the feud too ;)16:53
* lardman wonders if that's the correct spelling...16:53
yaccWonder what makes one develop a phone, sell it for a couple of days and withdraw it then, *scratch-head*16:54
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lcuki filed first feature request for meego today :)16:55
lcuk enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] BT DUN and Wifi Ad-hoc Missing from ConnMan16:55
povbotBug 12678: was not found.16:55
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lcukif it can get done, meego netbook and n900 should connect better16:55
JartzaS90 was a complete disaster :)16:55
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Jartzait could've been nice for it's time, but the code quality was too bad16:56
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yaccWell, the BT DUN support for N900 is somehow broken btw, Archos can tether with a yesss SIM card in an S40 device, but fails on the N900. Does not matter that much for a number of reasons but still.17:01
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lcukyacc, its even more limited from meego pov since well it cannot dealio with most phones17:02
yaccyou mean trying to make a meego device to dial in using a phone?17:03
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lcukyacc, using a meego netbook to tether using bt dun, or via other wifi adhoc does not work17:04
lcukand has been an open bug there since moblin days17:05
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yacclcuk, I wonder why they designed to go from Maemo which works rather okay to MeeGo and postpone market introduction by at least a year?17:09
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lcukyacc, maemo is device restricted and introspective, meego - the opposite there are porting efforts and collaborative works to run meego on a huge expanse of various kinds of devices17:10
SpeedEvilbecause someone told the manager in question that meego would be easy17:10
yacclcuk, yeah, but makeing Maemo run on different hardware could have been an incremental development, which IMHO is much better controllable than this "let's drop it and start fresh", ...17:12
SpeedEvilEspecially for nokia designed hardware.17:12
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SpeedEvilOTOH - maybe n900 sales are holding up?17:12
yaccSpeedEvil, yeah, and managers don't have to know the subject matter, they just "manage", hence a good manager for dairy produce will also make a good manager for embedded software development ;)17:13
lcukyacc who says drop everything?17:13
lcukfor instance, just this week:
yacclcuk, well, it communicates this way. And going from a Debian derived distribution to a scratch new one is not dropping everything, but certainly sounds similar.17:14
lcukand I was playing an excellent maemo game on my meego ideapad just a few weeks ago :)17:15
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lcukanyway time to vanish for the day17:16
MohammadAGcan't povbot be made to differentiate between and for bugs?17:16
noobmonk3yaghhhhh just the man i need lcuky!17:16
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MohammadAGoh you're alive too!17:16
lcuknoobmonk3y, >>> #meego17:16
noobmonk3ylcuk: whats the terminal command to bring up the qt version on maemo?17:16
MohammadAGsh: >>>: syntax error17:16
noobmonk3yMohammadAG: ? :)17:17
MohammadAGdpkg -l libqt4-core?17:17
MohammadAGI just string the libs hehe17:17
noobmonk3ymeh, no matching packages17:18
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noobmonk3ybut i can't type lol17:18
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MohammadAGii  libqt4-core                          4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5        Qt 4 core module17:18
noobmonk3yw00p worked fine17:19
MohammadAGyou should've learned this stuff by now noobmonk3y ;)17:19
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Ex-OpesaVenemo_N900: Thanks! It works. :)17:25
Ex-OpesaAlso MohammadAG, azakAllah :)17:25
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* Venemo is back+17:29
Venemolcuk: I've created a gitorious repo, committing now17:29
Venemoand I have 449 MB of OS updates :D17:29
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jonwilThats the notes on the functions relavent to the CVB17:33
jonwilCBSMS work17:33
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yaccnoobmonk3y, actually it's dpkg -l packagespec | grep ^i <= dpkg shows also uninstalled packages that it knows about17:33
jonwilStill a lot of unknowns17:33
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eichiif i charge my n900 from usb (laptop) is should be more low-current then with the power plug..isn't it?17:36
Venemoeichi: I think so17:37
eichibecause there is no extra voltage converter17:37
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eichivom 230V (germany) to something "very low"17:37
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kerioyou sound confused17:38
keriobut the reason is that usb provides .5A at most17:38
keriothe wallcharger gives 1.1A17:38
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* GAN900 chuckles at Engadget.17:39
kerioGAN900: ?17:39
jonwilLets hope someone can help me fill in the blanks in my reverse engineering so that I can attempt to write a CBSMS plugin for CSD17:39
anidelit's absurd :)17:40
eichikerio: dont know, i thought, voltage transfer costs much power17:40
anidelI guess it's time to stop reading or caring about what they write...17:40
jonwilIntel has wanted to put an x86 chip in a cellphone for ages17:40
lardmanjonwil: did you have a look at that Python plugin I flagged?17:40
kerioeichi: ¿que?17:40
eichikerio: ?17:40
jonwilI cant get idapython working17:40
SpeedEvilIntel CPUs have been in cellphones before.17:40
lardmanjonwil: problem with free IDA?17:41
SpeedEvil(though not, admittedly x86)17:41
jonwilno, problem with idapython17:41
jonwiland not being able to find a suitable working copy of python17:41
lardmanjust that I need to reverse engineer the Samsung init this evening, so was hoping to use aqualung17:41
RST38hGAN: An Atom in your phone! Imagine that!17:41
GAN900anidel, the number of weird rumors cropping up does lend some credence to claims of multiple devices, though.17:42
lardmanwith just the one the quantum "did I send that message while drunk or did I not" will be easier to predict17:42
lardmanas long as you know the temperature of your phone17:43
VenemoMohammadAG: here is what I love in the RPM format17:43
VenemoMohammadAG: "Presto reduced the update size by 88% (from 436 M to 56 M)."17:43
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anidelGAN900: true, but why should I care about a rumor (true or false) anyway?17:43
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MohammadAGVenemo, deb compresses too :p17:43
Venemoanidel: the best reaction I've seen so far17:43
VenemoMohammadAG: this is not compression17:43
jonwilA lot of the reverse engineering work I did was done by reverse engineering the x86 versions of various binaries17:44
VenemoMohammadAG: this is delta download17:44
VenemoMohammadAG: comression is another thing :)17:44
lardmanjonwil: ok np17:44
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* frals trouts noobmonk3y 18:02
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lcukfrals, :| i mistook your trout for a herring18:03
* korhojoa_ strokes his bag18:03
* MohammadAG wtfs18:03
korhojoa_"that's my bag, baby"18:03
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korhojoa_also, i'm testing the current draw of my n900 with everything on.18:03
korhojoa_how do i get the fmtx working at the same time as the fmrx?18:04
MohammadAGdoes that involve you being on it?18:04
MohammadAGfmtx_client -p1?18:04
fralsi dont think my ears are compatible with the noise cancellation on the bh 905i18:04
fralsterrible headache after using them all day18:04
frals... might just be for some normal reason thou18:05
MohammadAGfeel free to pass them over :p18:05
MohammadAGhow much did they cost you? I never checked prices on the i model18:05
fralsthey are about 250e in .se atleast18:05
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korhojoa_MohammadAG: does not involve me on it18:05
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korhojoa_urgh, expensive18:06
MohammadAGwould be 500 here :p18:06
fralsthey are excellent at cancelling out office chatter thou18:06
korhojoa_i saw them for sale at verkkokauppa for 99e or something18:06
MohammadAGfrals, :p18:06
MohammadAGnotice the i18:06
korhojoa_i think so18:07
korhojoa_some discount bin18:07
MohammadAGdiscount on a new headset?18:07
MohammadAGsounds weird :P18:07
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korhojoa_usually means that the customer has returned it because it didn't work with their phone or something18:07
MohammadAGfrals, would it cancel out noise at a construction site?18:07
MohammadAGjust wondering how active this ANC is18:08
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frals238.90€ at verkkokauppa korhojoa_18:08
fralsdunno MohammadAG havent tried them outside yet18:08
korhojoa_frals: i know, discount bin != retail18:08
fralsthey kinda failed at drowning out my keyboard typing until i raised the volume ;D18:08
fralsbut voices its scary good at18:09
fralsdiscount bin = someone had a wank on them and then returned them18:09
korhojoa_how does it do that? dual microphones?18:09
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korhojoa_frals: entirely possible18:09
frals8 microphones it says on the box18:09
MohammadAGocta I think18:09
korhojoa_but a little isopropanol fixes it18:09
MohammadAG2 for calls afaik18:09
korhojoa_that's... insane18:09
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MohammadAGit's very practical18:10
MohammadAG8 microphones...18:10
korhojoa_"now, record your phone calls in 7.1 sound!"18:11
korhojoa_DTS-HD for everyone!18:11
korhojoa_actually... a compass could handle that... 7-channels would be interpolated according to the compass reading, etc.18:12
korhojoa_MohammadAG: also, trying to enable the fmtx when the fmrx is on causes the fmrx to turn off18:13
korhojoa_actually, it works for like a second or two, then it goes silent18:13
VenemoMohammadAG: do you speak wikilanguage?18:14
MohammadAGthinking of starting a new rumor about the N9; it doesn't have an ARM nor an atom, it has an i718:15
achipai9 !!!18:15
MohammadAGVenemo, [citation needed]18:15
korhojoa_elv i7 with ion 318:16
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VenemoMohammadAG: no, it has a quadcore Xeon18:16
MohammadAGthere you have it, achipa confirms it18:17
MohammadAGit's an i918:17
MohammadAGstart the press!18:17
achipatweet engadget !18:17
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VenemoMohammadAG: no! I have a contact at Nokia and he said it's gonna be a quadcore Xeon.18:18
MohammadAGVenemo, achipa has *nokia* in his hostmask :p18:18
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kerioa *dual* quadcore xeon18:18
VenemoYES, kerio is right!18:18
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kerioand of course a nuclear battery to power it18:18
Venemokerio: don't forget the dual quadcore DSP either18:18
MohammadAGachipa, 5.9" screen right?18:19
MohammadAGfull HD of course18:19
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keriotwo screens18:19
kerioon both sides18:19
Venemoit is a foldable 22.5" screen.18:19
keriowhich support glassless 3d18:19
Venemoand a holoprojector18:19
anidelVenemo: Funny that I am being used as a rumour source myself! Someone on twitter: "Not true then! ♻ @anidel: omfg, stop it. The N9 does not have an Intel Atom processor."18:19
kerioVenemo: of course18:19
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Venemoanidel: lol :D18:19
jonwilLooks like will have to be reverse engineered to figure out whats going on with cbsms18:19
keriowait, you mean *two* right?18:20
Venemokerio: yes18:20
yaccSigh, why does the N900 crash when I pull it into my LAN via a bridge on usb0, and is relatively stable when I go along with the 192.168.2 subnet? *scratch-head*18:20
anidelVenemo: and I was only retweeting SimonLR tweet.. eheh18:20
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MohammadAG<kerio> and of course a nuclear battery to power it18:22
MohammadAGdoes that mean I'm not allowed to own one?18:22
kerionuclear *fusion*18:22
kerionot fission18:22
rcg1at least you would not be allowed to run java on it18:23
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VenemoMohammadAG: the israeli government already knows that you wanna blow 'em up, sorry.18:24
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trumeeyacc, wild guess. there was a matans patch to iphb? or something regarding NAT and reboot issues18:49
trumeeyacc, power kernel has that patch.18:49
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newbie007greetings, I have a n900. Using the internet radio feature, I sometimes get disconnected - is there a way to automatically reconnect?18:58
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ShadowJKI wish :(19:04
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ShadowJKI wonder if it's a bug in the media player or in mafw or in gstreamer19:09
MohammadAGsecond two are open, first one's being rewritten, why worry about it :p19:09
ShadowJKin tcpdump it looks like n900 side closes the connection, but I'm not sure why19:11
newbie007vlc would be nice19:11
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ShadowJKand it happens more often i high-jitter latency environments19:11
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newbie007I assume the disconnect is a wireless bad connection on my end19:12
newbie007sometimes it works great19:12
ShadowJKbut still, n900 initiates the teardown of the tcp session..19:12
Venemolcuk, thank you for your assistance :)19:12
ShadowJKi bet it's something silly19:12
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ShadowJKlike EAGAIN getting treated as an error condition19:13
VenemoI'm going to play an insane amount of SC2 now that my exams are over19:13
Venemobye guys :)19:13
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Gyjfhow do i see/change the keyboard setting for text messages?19:25
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fenrirsettings -> text input ?19:26
Gyjfdont have that19:28
Gyjfah found it19:29
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voldernHi. I've made /dev/mmcblk0p1 into a truecrypt volum that I mount everytime i reboot the device. Inside this partition I've moved my users folder and I'm mounting it to the right path using --bind. Inside the truecrypt volume I've also got an image file that is vfat partitioned and that I mount to /home/user/MyDocs. The problem is that the image partition won't show up when i plug the device into USB and use mass-storage mode20:06
voldernI've check using lsof that nothing is holding the file, preventing it from getting unmounted20:06
voldernIt's mounted like this: /dev/loop1 on /mnt/crypt/user/MyDocs type vfat (noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fsk=0133,rodir)20:06
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korhojoavoldern, i think that's because over usb, it mounts the emmc directly or something?20:11
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voldernkorhojoa: Hmm, that could be. Is the partition that it mounts over usb specified somewhere that you know about?20:12
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ShadowJKYeah the usb-mass-storage script tries to offer mmcblk0p1 over usb (after trying to umount it first)20:12
korhojoaShadowJK, that's what i expected20:12
korhojoavoldern, well, try mounting what's shown to you with truecrypt?20:13
ShadowJKi think it's even called or something like that20:13
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voldernthink i found the files: /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage*.sh20:15
voldernthnx guys :)20:15
korhojoano prahblem20:15
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MohammadAGke-recv sends the mmcblk0p1 part afaik20:19
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voldernMohammadAG: Yeah, looks like. I'll have to digg into the source of it sometime to find out how to fix it20:31
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MohammadAGwhat's broken in it?20:32
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voldernMohammadAG: I need it to mount/umount MyDocs from another partition then /dev/mmcblk0p1 in a way that also works with usb mass-storage20:34
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ShadowJKin Nokia-MeeGo-(Harmattan?) there'll allegedly be encryption ;p20:37
ShadowJKbut only with the DRM enabled, with the official kernel, and incompatible with truecrypt and other solutions presumably :)20:38
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MohammadAGyou app MUST work on a Symbian^3 device  <-- what if I don't have a S^3 device to test lol20:47
TrestryDoes anyone know where to get standard maemo apps like mount?20:48
MohammadAGmount is part of busybox20:50
TrestryI've installed the sdk version, with dpkg -i --force-20:52
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RST38hMohammad: N. Thou shalt not participate in rat races.20:56
perolsenis it possible to create a image for emmc (/dev/mmcblk0) with several partitions which can be flashed with flasher? Does the flasher just write the image to the emmc like "dd" would (including partition table)?21:04
TrestryReinstalled busybox and everything seems to be fine, thanks!21:04
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jacekowskiit does21:06
jacekowskisort of21:06
jacekowskiperolsen: you can modify emmc image21:06
jacekowskiperolsen: if you know how21:06
perolsenmount loop21:07
perolsenso how is it written+21:07
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jacekowskilook at the file21:08
jacekowskiand you will see21:08
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perolsenfile says: fat. meaning it's a fat file system image21:08
perolsenincluding boot sector21:09
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perolsenso the image isn't a "disk" image, only the image of one partition. I'll try to add a partition table in the beginning21:12
jacekowskiit is flasher special format21:14
jacekowskiso file is wrong21:14
jacekowskiopen it with hex editor21:15
jacekowskiand you will see21:15
perolsenit's the "mmc" file unpacked, right?21:15
jacekowskibut i'm not talking about this one21:16
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jacekowskii'm talking about this one21:16
perolsenallright. Got it. prefix = mydocs, prefix = home, etc..21:19
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perolsengreat that Nokia used a text block to define this21:20
perolsenthanks for the pointer21:21
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ZogGyo doggs21:39
ZogGMohammadAG, Jaffa DocScrutinizer crashanddie have you seen quitIM portrait keyboard?21:40
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chxZogG: you mean perhaps qutIM ?21:44
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ZogGchx exactly21:48
ZogGDocScrutinizer looks pretty good, the question how is it possible to integrate into ukeyboard for portrait mode21:49
JaffaZogG: No21:49
Jaffa(not seen)21:49
RST38hOMG a portrait keyboard!!!21:51
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D-IivilWhat's up here?21:53
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ZogGRST38h it looks good =( don't laught at me =(21:56
RST38hOMG kittens!!!21:56
ZogG~nuke RST38h21:57
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at RST38h ... B☢☢M!21:57
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chxwhy is a portrait keyboard such a big deal? it's ... not a phsyical keyboard.22:06
microlithit can be used with a thumb22:07
MohammadAGachipa, should Qt fixes be in the SSU?22:08
MohammadAGI pushed a patch upstream today22:08
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achipaMohammadAG: define Qt fixes22:14
achipaif you mean the bearer and compat stuff, yes, as for upstream, that's trickier22:14
achipawe can of course build whatever we want, but I'm not so sure about the newer Qt versions22:15
achipa(as in, we should really check them as I have the feeling that after 4.7.0 not much regression testing has been done on the Maemo side - I might be wrong, tho)22:16
MohammadAGsame 4.7 on maemo, with a patch applied22:16
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MohammadAGso shouldn't break compatibility and such22:17
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eichidoes the sms widget counter work on someones n900? how to get output of a widget for debugging?22:29
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eichiif i do "remove conversations", are all sms and logs gone or just in this windows? my problem is, that my conversations widget dont shows only new one. it shows, that i have hundreds of conversations22:38
andre__what is "dont shows only new one"?22:40
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andre__as far as I remember they are just removed from the view, but not deleted from the database.22:41
eichiokay, i will try22:41
andre__whatever you mean by that....22:41
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eichipressing "remove conversation" and show, if log is there after that22:42
eichibackup before, i will see22:42
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eichihm, seems to delete all the logs22:46
ShadowJKandre__, re bug 11798, I think supld/supllistenerd contains the thing that actually talks to servers..22:46
povbotBug agps no longer works due to server changes22:46
andre__ShadowJK, feel free to add a comment, but I don't expect Nokia to really care anyway...22:46
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ShadowJKI notice supld comes with its own security certificates..22:47
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ShadowJKIt'd probably be pretty easy for someone familiar with debian packaging to make a tiny installable app to override all requests to that one remaining working server22:48
ShadowJKBut then maybe that one goes away or stops working too :)22:48
andre__"suddenly". ;-)22:48
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, titan needs to add both flags I mentioned22:49
MohammadAGthat way, KP cannot be uninstalled from HAM22:49
MohammadAGI'm pretty sure that user got his device bricked cause of fapman22:49
MohammadAGfapman has apt-get autoremove ticked by default22:49
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summel:O i cant get the iSync plugin to work, but i know it did work before22:50
MohammadAGshouldn't worry about it, not our fault22:50
summeland i need it since the n900 does not support caldav -_-22:50
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yaccShadowJK, so what's wrong by adding the agps server to /etc/hosts and pointing it to a working server?22:52
summeliSync always says "iSync cannot connect to this device." :(22:52
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I still think hostmode GUI should NOT rdepend on any kernel feature. We got runtime check for that, and basically hostmode GUI is installable and "works" (as in without segfault) even on stock kernel22:53
ShadowJKyacc, yeah someone with deb packaging skills could make a deb that does "echo working.server.ip >>/etc/hosts" on install, and sed remove it on uninstall, as a bugfix .deb :P22:53
yaccShadowJK, well, if you worry that it will overload the remaining servers make the people do it manually ;)22:54
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, with the current community, that = more posts about "Incompatible kernel, I reflashed and it didn't work!!1"22:54
MohammadAGwe'll have more problems with users asking why it doesn't work as is22:55
DocScrutinizerGUI is clearly stating "found incompatible kernel API! you are supposed to install power-kernel"22:55
yaccMohammadAG, are you complaining that there are a couple of users that cannot configure a network interface with ifconfig or ip commands?22:55
MohammadAGwe could supply a .install file...22:56
MohammadAGyacc, uh, no22:56
yaccMohammadAG, as in Linux oldtimers?22:56
ShadowJKNo I worry that since the last working server seems to be in the US, and nokia has a general tendency of forgetting that the US exists, they might just have forgotten to upgrade that server, and will upgrade it eventually and stuff goes back to not working. I thought that since Nokia has been talking about Location for a couple of years now, they might wanna know when they break things, so that they can eventually get away from that general user perceptio22:56
ShadowJKn that GPS doesn't work reliably on Nokias :P a heads-up :P22:56
MohammadAGyacc, no, I mean Symbian old timers22:56
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eichiits a strange conversations concept, it conversations only show the "active ones" and if you delete it, there is no log anymore22:57
yaccMohammadAG, Yeah, Symbian old timers might have a good overlap with people that cannot configure an interface manually, or explain the relationship of ip address netmask and broadcast address ;)22:57
yaccShadowJK, well, agps seems to work reliably enough here in Austria.22:58
ShadowJKIt's apaprently geodns based now, so it depends on where you are whether you get a working server or not22:58
yaccShadowJK, well, this bug applies only to N810, right=22:59
ShadowJKIt doesn't affect N900, no22:59
yaccBecause the IP address that is mentioned in the ticket is where I'm resolving the address too, and the server works well enough for me.22:59
ShadowJKI haven't tested my symbian devices, but the troubleshooting features on symbian are nonexisting anyway23:00
yaccShadowJK, is the protocol these servers talk documented?23:00
yaccShadowJK, lol, almost as bad as on an unrooted Android23:00
ShadowJKI don't know, but it starts with SSL/TLS anyway...23:01
yaccShadowJK, is the binary statically linked?23:01
ShadowJKi don't think so23:01
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yaccLD_PRELOAD with a library that happens to define SSL_write and SSL_read is your friend then, ...23:02
ShadowJKI think modifying /etc/hosts is my friends23:02
yaccShadowJK, if you want to fix it by pointing to a working server yes.23:02
ShadowJKand other users will continue powercycling their devices hoping to get it to work before getting out their TomTom again :P23:03
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yaccShadowJK, if you want to intercept the traffic, LD_PRELOAD allows you to see the clear text.23:03
yaccWonder if there is an app to export the N900 keyboard as a bluetooth HID device to another host?23:04
yaccThere seems to be an app that allows the N900 to be used a freehand speaker for other phones, ...23:04
summel:S is there a way to add a shortcut to a website to the desktop without having a giant screenshot of it there? i want just the favicon or something :/23:05
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MrBawboh hey, bluemaemo is something I've been looking for23:06
yaccWow, that's a really crazy thing, abusing the N900 as a keyboard for the Archos, ...23:09
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yaccNow I just need to get BT PAN to work on the N900 and I don't need to carry that 6288 around with me as Archos tethering device, ...23:09
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MrBawbyacc: where are you stuck with bt pan?23:10
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yaccMrBawb, well, I have no place to hook into so something (like a script that starts dnsmasq on the interface) gets run when bnep0 shows up.23:10
MrBawbyacc: you can do that with dbus-scripts23:11
yaccMrBawb, how?23:11
summelnid0: no23:11
summeli dont want to change the icon size23:12
summeli want to change the size of the shortcut to a website on the desktop23:12
summelor replace it with an icon23:12
summelbecause its a webapp23:12
summeland i dont want a huge screenshot there23:12
MrBawbyacc: org.freedesktop.Hal.Manager DeviceAdded /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_x_x_x_x23:12
MrBawbwhere the x_x_x's are the mac from "hcitool dev"23:12
yaccNice idea, that leaves the question of how to setup dnsmasq correctly so it can handle a new interface showing up correctly, but that's a more common case thing.23:13
MrBawbyacc: < what I use to share 3g23:13
MrBawbbut it's geared for ipv6 3g23:13
yaccMrBawb, /etc/network/interfaces gets ignored completely :(23:14
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MrBawbI think that was all disabled to use icd23:14
yaccMrBawb, well it works for usb0 which is a completely dynamic device too.23:15
MrBawbI wonder whats different then23:16
yaccAnyway, does a stock N900 run dnsmasq or do I have "collected" it from some 3rd party deb?23:16
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MrBawbthe n900 includes dnsmasq and runs it by default as a local dns cache23:16
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MrBawbyou can run another copy to have it be a dhcp server23:16
yaccMrBawb, googling around I seem to remember that I've seen some old bug reports mentioning a similar behaviour, ...23:16
MrBawb(the script on my site runs dnscache)23:16
yaccMrBawb, nope: /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -i $INTERFACE \23:17
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MrBawbI said dnscache and ment dnsmasq23:17
yaccextras-devel has no package radvd?23:18
MrBawbI have a copy built23:18
yaccSo it's a ipv6 specific thing, right?23:19
MrBawbradvd is only needed for ipv623:19
MrBawbit's for ipv6 autoconfiguration23:19
yaccof no interest, considering the level of connectivity one gets here while mobile, ...23:19
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MrBawbonly useful if you have an ipv6 3g connection23:20
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nid0summel: im not sure I get you, you just want the screenshot replaced with a favicon or something, but with the icon itself just as giant as it currently is?23:20
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yaccIPv4 NATed usually, with all kinds of transparent proxies (which even the 2nd level techs in the callcenter do not know about), blocked ports, ...23:20
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nid0summel: if so, you can just write yourself a .desktop file with the link and icon you want23:21
summelnid0: no i also want it smaller but the "normal" shortcuts i want too keep the size they are23:21
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summeli try that23:21
yaccMrBawb, half a decade as a road warrier in a number of european countries made me see, well, almost any thinkable sickness, network wise :(23:21
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achipaMohammadAG: back... anyway, if upstream accepts it, I have no qualm in having it in the CSSU, if they don't, well, then we need a bit more extensive testing but still might be acceptable (depends obviously on what exactly and how does it fix)23:21
MrBawbyacc: yeah, mobile providers seem to be the worst at that23:21
yaccnid0, which directory has the desktop files?23:21
nid0/usr/share/applications/hildon afaik23:22
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MohammadAGachipa, it's a simple overlook by the Qt guys, the fix is like 3 lines23:22
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pahartikMrBawb: I took "radvd" binary from Debian... It is useful with IPv6 tunnel and subnet on mobile network23:22
yaccMrBawb, yeah, the funny part is that at least from Orange AT I've even managed to get a highlevel tech callback after some weeks, because the guy wondered how I managed to even detect their proxy, ...23:22
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MrBawbpahartik: yeah, that radvd is just the Debian package rebuilt23:22
summelbut the iSync plugin still does not work ;_;23:23
MohammadAGnotice the the theme vs theme-portrait23:23
MohammadAGwithout it, a segfault occurs on all applications23:23
yacc(stupid guy, svn uses some non-default http verbs. so if you want a transparent proxy, you need to allow all verbs to pass through without problems, ...)23:23
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achipaMohammadAG: yep, looks OK to me (I'm no authority tho), and not segfaulting can't be bad, right ? :)23:24
yaccnid0, even the user created ones?23:24
MohammadAGachipa, indeed, with this, I can flip control panel to portrait and still not break Qt applets23:25
yaccMrBawb, what exactly does pc-connectivity-manager provide?23:25
nid0yacc: thats where you should put em, when I manually created a couple of links I just copied+renamed the ovi link in that folder and altered it23:26
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MohammadAGachipa, do you have any idea if that repo is looked at btw? :)23:27
MrBawbyacc: it enables the PAN profile in bluez23:28
MrBawbit also adds a control panel, which talks about running dhcp on bluetooth23:28
achipaMohammadAG: doesn't seem so, last activity Nov 12 :(23:28
MohammadAGachipa, can you poke the right people?23:29
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achipawill do - if not, I'll at least get the correct repo23:29
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yaccMrBawb, ?23:31
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yaccMrBawb, seems like one can enable PAN without it, ...23:31
MrBawbyacc: that they can23:31
MrBawbbut I figured it's probably easier for the random person to install pc-connectivity-manager rather than editing the bluez config file23:32
yaccMrBawb, because I'm getting a bnep0 device without having any deb matching pc-con* installed23:32
yaccMrBawb, spoilsport :-P23:32
yaccMrBawb, you are killing the joy of playing an advanced text adventure game "configuring bluetooth on Linux".23:33
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MrBawb/etc/bluetooth/main.conf has "DisablePlugins = network" by default23:33
yaccMrBawb, I know, and you can remove that and bnep0 shows up :)23:33
* MohammadAG misses the December days23:34
MohammadAGmaemo had more hackers when I got the device23:34
yaccMrBawb, starting with a couple of different userland stacks over the years, crazy configuration not meant to be used by people not running anything but Gnome or KDE, ...23:34
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yaccMrBawb, I mean this replacing the complete user stack from time to time, makes the game playable multiple times, with no danger to make it boring because you know from last time how to solve some riddles, ...23:35
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makulkarwhen i compile and copy a exe to device, and try to run it from device terminal, it says "file not found!"23:37
yaccmakulkar, to which directory are you copying it?23:37
MohammadAGas in - windows exe?23:37
* yacc thinks about the fact that PATH by default has no . entry, ...23:37
rm_workmaemo had a ton of hackers back when i started... when the newest thing was the n800, and the n810 was ABOUT to come out...23:37
makulkarMohammadAG, nope :) sample qt app23:38
MohammadAGusing ./?23:38
yaccmakulkar, compiled to ARM?23:38
makulkarMohammadAG, built in scratbox arm7 target23:38
MohammadAGI didn't ask that, yacc did :p23:38
DocScrutinizermakulkar: use FQN to invoke your executable23:38
MohammadAGhow are you running it23:38
DocScrutinizermakulkar: or place it somewhere into $PATH23:39
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makulkarMohammadAG, login to device, cd /usr/bin, ./exe23:39
DocScrutinizermakulkar: chmod a+x <your_executable>23:39
makulkarDocScrutinizer, did that23:39
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MohammadAGand it's in /usr/bin?23:39
summelnid0: it worked, ty <323:39
DocScrutinizermaybe it's a x86 ELF?23:39
makulkarRM680-03-4_RD_001:/usr/bin# ./classwizard23:39
makulkar-sh: ./classwizard: not found23:39
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MohammadAGfile classwizard23:40
makulkarDocScrutinizer, how do i check that?23:40
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lardman|homeperhaps you chaps will know - could one start init from another process, so it won't have pid==1 and everything still work?23:40
DocScrutinizerRM&=??? :-o23:40
* javispedro chuckles23:40
makulkarMohammadAG, thats the device name.23:40
MohammadAGso either the N9 exists23:40
MrBawblardman|home: pid 1 is special23:40
DocScrutinizerrm680 even23:40
MohammadAGor someone's playing with /etc/hostname23:40
lardman|homeMrBawb: I know23:40
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MohammadAGnokia hostmask23:40
MohammadAGN9 confirmed23:40
lardman|homeMrBawb: But does it matter?23:40
DocScrutinizermakulkar: file <FQN-of-binary>23:40
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MohammadAGmakulkar, file classwizard23:41
MrBawblardman|home: yeah, the kernel freaks out if pid 1 dies23:41
lardman|homehmm, shame23:41
javispedrolardman|home: what has poor init did to you? :)23:41
lardman|homethough pid 1 can still live and just not be the init for the active rootfs23:41
makulkarDocScrutinizer, MohammadAG, compared the output with a exe working fine on device, one says stripped and other one not23:41
lardman|homejavispedro: trying to boot from an Android init23:42
MohammadAGyes, but does it say ARM?23:42
javispedrolardman|home: hm... unless you can convince it to exec() some other binary of your choice...23:42
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MohammadAGhmm indeed23:42
DocScrutinizermakulkar: please do ``which classwizard''23:43
MohammadAGI'd ask for /proc/cpuinfo but... I'm sure it's an ARM...23:43
lardman|homeyeah that's the problem, the android init language should support init, but apparently Samsung decided to ignore than bit23:43
makulkarits in /usr/bin/23:43
DocScrutinizermakulkar: please do and post result here: ``ls -l ./classwizard''23:43
javispedroDocScrutinizer: MohammadAG: you might also get this message if libs do not exist, at least on messybox.23:43
makulkarDocScrutinizer, it has executable right.23:44
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makulkarjavispedro, yes, thats what i suspected, how do  i check for dependency of a exe on the phone23:44
lardman|homein any case the Android impl only allows an exec'd binary to run for 60s23:44
MohammadAGldd classwizard23:44
javispedromakulkar: "ldd <exename>" might work23:44
MohammadAGshould show linked libraries23:44
lardman|homewhat's all the excitement about?23:45
DocScrutinizermakulkar: see javispedro's comment. It might got linked against that's not available on your device23:45
makulkar"not a dynamic executable"23:45
javispedrofun, fun, fun.23:45
DocScrutinizersorry, lagging23:45
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makulkarjavispedro, what could be the prob?23:45
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makulkarjavispedro, DocScrutinizer on scratchbox ldd shows the list but when i copy over to device it says "not a dynamic executable"23:46
DocScrutinizerhmm, I'm tempted to say "lart busybox"23:47
javispedroI'm tempted to say abi problem..23:47
DocScrutinizeror that, yes23:47
javispedroor copy failure..23:47
javispedrothat it might have been corrupted while copying =)23:48
MohammadAGN900 scratchbox with N9 libs?23:48
makulkarDocScrutinizer, javispedro double checked copy, works fine23:48
* MohammadAG wonders if that would work well23:48
MohammadAGI'd be amazed, I think MeeGo on the N900 didn't run a maemo app23:48
makulkarMohammadAG, how do i check abt meego/maemo on scratchbox23:49
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makulkarMohammadAG, my bad.. nevermind.. let me do some more research.23:50
makulkarfor once i got bad binary23:50
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DocScrutinizermakulkar: hard to help, as we don't exactly know about your particular OS you're running there23:50
MohammadAGdpkg -l libqt4-dev23:50
makulkarMohammadAG, all qt stuff there in usr/lib23:51
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MohammadAGmakulkar, yeah, but dpkg -l should show something != 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m523:53
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makulkarMohammadAG, it shows maemo6 on version23:57
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makulkarMohammadAG, also when i try to run qt app availble on phone using terminal, I get "ERROR: No DBUS session bus found. Exiting now." any clue?23:58
javispedromakulkar: are you trying to run it as root?23:59
javispedro(you shouldn't)23:59
MohammadAGrunning as root23:59
makulkarMohammadAG, yes23:59
MohammadAGrun it as user23:59
MohammadAGor use (if it exists) run-standalone.sh23:59

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