IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-01-19

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alteregoSo much code ...00:14
makulkar could any one help me with installing keyring? im gettin GPG error while apt-get update00:15
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makulkarI get "No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/."00:19
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jonwiljacekowski: ping00:23
jacekowskijonwil: pong00:24
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jonwilYou said you could reverse engineer some stuff for me?00:24
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mikki-kunhm, is the 'unlock-slider'-screen kind of broken? while it is on i can happily type in an opened xterm...00:26
jacekowskijonwil: yeah00:27
mikki-kunhm... i hope nokia will still make another update which has some crucial bugixes... or did they state otherwise?00:29
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yigalhas pithos been ported to Maemo?00:33
MohammadAGmikki-kun, you wish :p00:35
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sid_how to wire a usb a-a adaptor? only cross d+ and d-?00:35
trxsid_ you mean female <--> female ?00:37
sid_trx: yes00:37
trxi did no crossing here00:38
trxjust connected them by color00:38
blue_led@sid_  pin to pin 1 to 1 , 2 to 2 , ...00:38
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sid_1:1 thanks; still have some plugs from a "usb power cable"00:39
mikki-kunMohammadAG: did they ever state pr1.3 will be the last?00:39
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MohammadAGmikki-kun, it's staring you in the face on :P00:40
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mikki-kunhm, they sure have many unsolved :)00:47
MohammadAGI'd look at WONTFIX00:49
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BCMMbut TMO said 1.4 was tomorrow!00:55
BCMM(on several occasions)00:55
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mikki-kunBCMM: now is tomorrow, where is it? :>01:03
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ed209hi everybody01:05
ed209i'm trying to set up iptables on my nokia n90001:05
ed209but i don't understand how get to work the nat table01:06
ed209sorry for my english01:06
MrBawbed209: do you have the power kernel?01:06
BCMMed209: which kernel do you use?01:06
BCMMMrBawb: you win :)01:06
ed209the default kernel01:06
ed209there is'nt a package from the extra devel repository with iptables nat working?01:07
BCMMed209: the default kernel doesn't include NAT. i didn't think it included iptables at all.01:07
BCMMed209: kernel-power does NAT01:08
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BCMMthere are various caveats about kernel-power, read the wiki01:08
BCMMmostly, don't uninstall it carelessly or you'll have to reflash01:08
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ed209here say iptables with nat01:09
ieatlintiptables is a userspace application that interfaces with netfilter in the kernel01:09
ieatlintthe default kernel doesn't have netfilter, as pointed out01:09
ed209i was wondering if there was a way to get this working without the kernel power01:09
ieatlintso yes, you can run iptables, but it can't do anything without kernel support01:10
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MrBawbrealistically, the only way to do nat is through the power kernel01:10
BCMMed209: my emphasis: "These are the *user-space* administration tools for the Linuxkernel's netfilter and iptables"01:10
ieatlintnot just realistically... the only way is with a new kernel01:11
BCMMyou still need kernel support01:11
BCMMed209: kernel-power isn't a problem, really01:11
ed209ok, than i just type apt-get install kernel-power-settings?01:11
ed209i'm reading this01:12
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ieatlintinstalling "kernel-power-settings" is the way the wiki recommends, which will pull in the dependencies required like "kernel-power"01:12
ieatlintso yes, that should work without any issue, but best to perform a backup anyway01:12
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Paulyi have an n900.01:13
ed209there is the risk to brick the nokia?01:13
ieatlintbut in the *unlikely* event of failure, you will need a computer to reflash the kernel01:14
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ieatlinthowever, your device won't be dead, and even if you do need to do that, it shouldn't even delete your files01:14
ieatlint is what is involved in fixing a bad kernel on the phone01:15
BCMMieatlint: oh, sorry01:15
ieatlintBCMM: nah, it's not that intuitive.. :P01:15
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ed209the stable kernel power package from the extra repository includes the nat features or i have to install the package from the extra-devel?01:16
BCMMed209: it's pretty hard to "brick" the n900 properly, at least without using overclocking. it is, however, easy to get it in a state in which you need to reflash from a PC (which is sometimes called "bricking")01:16
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ieatlinted209: stable will work just fine for you01:16
BCMM(but imho should not be)01:16
ed209thanks to everybody01:16
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jacekowskied209: always go for version from devel01:20
jacekowskied209: version from stable are old01:20
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ed209i don't care i just need nat01:22
mikki-kunwow, someone promoting devel :o01:22
ieatlintheh, he doesn't need anything that new01:22
ieatlintstable is stable, and gets the job done without issue01:22
mikki-kunwhich version is in extras?01:23
jacekowskidevel is stable as well01:23
jacekowskii never had any problems with stuff from devel01:23
mikki-kuni think i had once or twice...01:24
mikki-kunbut devel is getting way more stable these days01:24
ieatlintwell, the package maintainer seems to disagree, having not promoted it to extras-testing01:25
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mikki-kun42 seems to be in extras....01:28
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jacekowskiieatlint: or doesn't care01:30
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* ieatlint doubts this debate will lead anywhere worthwhile01:32
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TiagoTiagowhat could be making the Photos program not see any picture unless i tell it to look into an specific folder?01:38
DocScrutinizer-devel apps will break one thing for sure, restorability of a 1.2 backup01:39
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: config of trackerd01:39
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TiagoTiagowhat can i do to help narrow down the cause?01:40
DocScrutinizercheck the config file, restore the original config file01:41
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TiagoTiagodo you got the path to that file by heart or i'll have to google for it?01:42
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DocScrutinizercheck my <user>/tools page in wiki01:44
TiagoTiagok, thx01:44
DocScrutinizeror use that app, called trackercontrol or whatever01:44
TiagoTiagothat will also affect the Photos prog?01:45
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MohammadAGmedia, photos, everything related to tracker01:46
MohammadAGuse tracker-cfg from the repos01:46
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DocScrutinizerthough it might use different configs for photos and for other media. At least there's also a "tool" called thumbnailerd01:47
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TiagoTiagodo i click "Rebuild databases" ?01:47
TiagoTiagoI mean, should i?01:47
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TiagoTiagoi already tried restore original and restart tracker01:48
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TiagoTiagowell, i'll see what happens then01:50
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, tracker calls that01:50
TiagoTiagostill "(no images)"  :(01:51
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TiagoTiagonot recently01:53
MohammadAGcorrupt /home?01:53
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javispedroaka capacitive styles01:54
TiagoTiagoi can browse to it just fine, and telling Photos to open a folder inside MyDocs shows the images in that folder01:54
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TiagoTiagohm, Media Player now also doesn't see anything :(01:57
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ed209i did it01:57
ed209it works like a charm01:57
ed209tahnks to everyone01:57
MohammadAGeither your /home is full, or corrupt01:58
MohammadAGso tracker can't regenerate files01:58
DocScrutinizeror trackerd gone on vacation or sanity health care01:58
MohammadAGif /home is corrupt, I suggest you don't try to be a smartass (like I did once), backup what you  have nicely, then flash eMMC01:59
MohammadAGfsck just... fskced it up01:59
DocScrutinizerbut a full ~ sounds good01:59
MohammadAGpoking a corrupt /home resulted in stale NFS handles for me02:00
DocScrutinizerwell, /home could be corrupt and mount R7O02:00
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DocScrutinizerwhich would have same effect as a full /home, for trackerd02:00
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TiagoTiago114mb free on home, is that too little or enough?02:02
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TiagoTiagohow do i check if /home is r/o?02:06
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MohammadAGtouch /home/somefilename02:07
MohammadAGwould be the easiest way02:07
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SpeedEvilrm -rf /home, if it reports errors, it's read-only02:08
SpeedEvil(not really)02:08
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alteregoThink I'm going to scrap routing infrastructure in the v1 roadmap.02:08
alteregoI've decided it's pointless without maps.02:09
javispedroit probably is02:09
jonwilanyone here know anything about Telepathy or know of any documentation on how it works (i.e. the upper level interface used by the apps to talk to it)?02:09
javispedrounless you want to compete with navit and that other KDE app.02:10
javispedrojonwil: Telepathy is a GNOME project. There's surely thousands of docs on the web.02:10
alteregoI've moved it to the v2 road map, which, to be honest only really has mapping to add to it.02:10
javispedroalterego: I think what's missing right now is an app doing "all subpages on a Garmin GPS != map"02:10
alteregojavispedro: that's my goal.02:11
TiagoTiagoif i create and delete a folder inside /home then it isn't r/o?02:11
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javispedroalterego: :D02:11
alteregojavispedro: have you used my app?02:11
javispedronot yet =)02:12
alteregojavispedro: if you think that's what is missing, then you're the perfect user for me to get input ;)02:12
javispedrothe other day I made a roadtrip but decided to take the N810 instead02:12
javispedroto find the agps server stopped working =(02:12
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javispedroin panic I even made a duplicate thread on tmo :P02:12
MohammadAGdo you use columbus to make your roadmap? :302:13
alteregoThat and your technical knowledge would be appreciated as it's some what lacking in my current user base.02:13
alteregojavispedro: you've seen the screenshots though right?02:14
alteregoI should probably write some documentation too tbh.02:14
Kilroo1I miss nav4all.02:14
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SpeedEvilRouting is not pointless without maps!
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* javispedro goes waste some time, like ensuring his apps are 64 bits safe. arm64, who knows!02:19
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SpeedEvilDon't forget multithreading too!02:21
SpeedEvil16 core ARM is going to be in phones in ac ouple of years.02:22
javispedrogood point. I wonder If I should also consider quantum computing.02:22
javispedroquantum computing = enum bool { FALSE, TRUE, FILE_NOT_FOUND }02:23
javispedro</dailywtf old joke>02:23
alteregoARM 64 is a _looong_ way off.02:24
alteregoThough there was talk about having ARM powered server machines last year.02:25
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TiagoTiagoseems the issue really was not enough free space in /home02:26
TiagoTiagodoes the database need any of the fancy features of linux filesystems or can i place it on MyDocs?02:27
SpeedEvilI resized mydocs down to 4G, and added another ext3 partition02:27
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alteregoMohammadAG: you'll be pleased to know I've made my about dialog open email when my email address is pressed and open the web browser when the webpage is pressed :)02:28
alteregoI'll add the donate button tomorrow, g'night folks.02:28
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javispedrocya alterego02:30
SpeedEvilalterego: night!02:30
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TiagoTiagodoes lack of space at /home causes any issues besides the photos and media outage and not being able to install more stuff?02:32
javispedroyeah, lack of space at /home causes not being able to install stuff02:32
javispedroah, grammar ambiguity. sorry.02:33
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javispedrowell, it possibly causes extra issues.02:33
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TiagoTiagowhat else?02:34
eichinavit is the only map tool, which can handle osm vektor data, isn't it?02:34
javispedroTiagoTiago: dunno, it could seem random failures.02:34
TiagoTiagoi see02:35
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TiagoTiagowell, i'm heading to bed, thanx for the assistance, cya02:54
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D-manHey guys. Can anyone run a 20kb ARM binary in an emulator for me and tell me the output?03:00
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jonwilanyone here know of a spec for the linux ARM ABI?03:50
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jonwilnever mind, found it03:53
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Sceptic_dudeSo ... What's new in the dead os space?05:46
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djszapiHow can I set a daemon running during each boot process automatically ?11:08
djszapiI do not see rc.local on the target device.11:08
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jonwilBased on the last comment to bug 7019, I doubt any of the telephony code needed for cell broadcast will be made available :(11:11
povbotBug Release source code of "getbootstate"11:11
jonwilIts the usual "not used in MeeGo therefore no-one cares" argument :11:11
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ShadowJKjonwil, hey atleast you got a reply of some sort :)11:14
jonwilno, not to the CBSMS thing11:14
jonwilat least I got one to the answer on getbootstate11:14
jonwilwhich is good11:15
jonwilsomeone yesterday said they would kick the CBSMS thing to the right people I think11:15
jonwilI am not giving up hope for cbsms since A.We dont want code, only headers (which are presumably easier to open up11:15
jonwiland B.We have a concrete valid use-case for what we want to do11:16
jonwileither way, worst that can happen is Nokia says no11:16
jonwiland we move on11:16
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jonwilif it was possible, I would advocate writing code so that the closed-source lower level telephony stack can be replaced with an open source ofono stack instead. But its not possible AFAIK11:19
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ShadowJKfrom the comments it looks like you could cut getbootstate out of the initscripts alltogether anyway11:19
jonwilI guess so11:19
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jonwilanyhow, it was more a case of "there was talk of opening it up, lets see what the decision was"11:20
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jonwiland in that specific case the decision was "no, the use case for having the code open is gone and its no longer valid for MeeGo so no, lets not open it up"11:22
ShadowJKthe original usecase seemed a bit weak too :)11:23
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jonwilThe use case for cbsms is fairly big, for one thing I dont want to miss emergency messages because my phone can't receive them.11:25
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ShadowJKI bet people will complain about the closed source calendars and contacts in Nokia MeeGo too, but do nothing to improve MeeGo's own calendar and contacts apps :)11:26
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jonwilIMO I doubt if MeeGo will ever be a 100% suitable replacement for Maemo on the N90011:28
jonwilcertainly wont ever come near to feature parity11:28
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CorsacShadowJK: one thing which really piss me off (on fremantle) is that there's only one sync'able calendar :/11:30
ShadowJKafaiui on meego there's no local calendar11:30
ShadowJKonly google cloud calendar :)11:31
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ShadowJKThat'd be a great place to hack on, add localdb support11:32
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jonwiljacekowski: ping11:44
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DocScrutinizer2damn, charging hostmode failure ater ~70h11:47
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DocScrutinizerhmm, who would've thought on ZyXEL P660 you need to assign fixed MAC->IP assignments that are from _within_ the DHCP IP range12:16
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DocScrutinizerI 'fixed' this 'flaw' in LAN config, and consequently t900 ssh running the charge script had to come to an end eventually12:17
DocScrutinizernothing wrong with charging hostmode12:18
DocScrutinizers/need to assign/need to pick/12:20
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* SpeedEvil should learn to use DHCP.12:21
SpeedEvilMy IP addresses are assigned with RPIN12:22
SpeedEvilRed Post-It Note.12:22
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SpeedEvilI only have ~8 though12:22
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DocScrutinizerwell, I changed from plain DHCP to fixed IPs assigned to MAC recently. All routers should have such a function12:29
DocScrutinizerthen yesterday I checked that router's DHCP table and thought "duh, start of dhcp range:30, length 32, MAC foo:b:ar -> ...41 - Nah that's odd" and changed the range from 32 to 1012:31
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DocScrutinizerso this morning t900 had instead of ...41     XD12:33
DocScrutinizerobviously teh ssh session running the charge script didn't like that :-D12:34
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: previously my IP addresses were assigned by mere random, and local DNS worked like "; click on 'DHCP table', look up <machine's name>"12:41
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: so don't think DHCP is that great, without additional tweaks12:41
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DocScrutinizert900, IroN900 and N810 happily swapped thir IPs every now and then12:43
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DocScrutinizerit just gives me headache how t900, on charge script getting killed, managed to boot into backup menu, while bq24150 still kept that funny state of bright steady amber LED12:48
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DocScrutinizerI can see how it managed to shut down on bat very low, I also understand it immediately rebooted as there's been external vbus, but HOW TF bq24150 managed to keep that weird state during NOLO booting?12:50
DocScrutinizereven during Linux kernel booting into backup menu12:51
DocScrutinizeryou'd think at some point during the process bq24150 gets initialized12:51
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RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: All I can think of is that it doesn't get initialized by the point BackupMenu rests control from the init process13:01
RobbieThe1stI know people have complained that it doesn't charge when running BackupMenu...13:02
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: host mode works like a charm13:02
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: thank you for it13:02
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lcukVenemo_N900, heya13:05
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: all my prev experience seems to suggest NOLO resets bq24150 charger chip and - on certain conditions - even might start charging, though I could be mistaken with the 2nd part13:05
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DocScrutinizerwell, hory for new facts to feed my hungry brain :-D13:06
DocScrutinizerhooray even13:06
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Venemo_N900hi lcuk :)13:08
DocScrutinizerprobably the "NOKIA" screen fooled me into thinking NOLO das precharge on very low battery while actually it's probably bme_RX-51 -b that gets invoked somewhere in start bme event script13:08
RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: By the way, that reminds me - BackupMenu -doesn't- charge when it's running, and that's a feature a lot of people want. What would be a good way to implement that? Include and run JRBME?13:08
Venemo_N900lcuk: how're you?13:08
RobbieThe1stOr... I suppose I could just use bme_RX-51 -b...13:08
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Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: although I changed the led pattern to a steady violet. the blinking one from your mce.ini was very irritating while watching a movie13:11
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: for now you should rather content with ShadowJK's chargescript - jrbme's Lore13:11
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RobbieThe1stSo including and running "bme_RX-51 -b" wouldn't work as expected?13:12
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DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: I'm not quite sure bme will work in that stage, esp given the fact it's talking to a lot of other system components13:12
DocScrutinizerjust try13:12
DocScrutinizerbut bme -b is for "checking battery and precharging" only13:13
DocScrutinizerwon't give you decent charging13:13
DocScrutinizerShadowJK's charge script OTOH (and later on jrbme which includes this script as a part of its functionality) should do a sufficiently convenient job on charging battery during backup menu13:15
RobbieThe1stI'll look into it13:15
DocScrutinizer(which includes) ...minus some clumsy bits, plus augments for better cli syntax and return codes/reporting13:16
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RobbieThe1stGot a link or package name?13:17
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: you don't need to look into it. Simply start it (in a subshell) :-D13:18
lcukVenemo_N900, I am ok, just fighting different MMC cards13:18
RobbieThe1stWell, I need to -find- it first...13:18
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DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: has all you need13:19
Venemo_N900lcuk: were you able to contact the butterfly guy?13:19
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lcukVenemo_N900, I sent a mail to jonny and did not get bounce back and the addr you specified is correct and valid13:21
Venemo_N900lcuk: interesting.13:21
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: nota bene this script is discouraged use, will get replaced by jrbme script soon, that's coming with h-e-n13:21
Venemo_N900lcuk: then why did it bounced back for me?13:21
lcukVenemo_N900, ie resend and try13:21
Venemo_N900ok lcuk13:22
lcukthen if it fails, fwd me the bounce report and I will look into it13:22
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: though it works great on a technical side, it has quite some usability issues that need to get ironed out13:22
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DocScrutinizerwork great means it's been in use by ShadowJK to exclusively charge his battery this way, since 6 months now13:23
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: main downside: it's a oneshot script. Eventually it quits when battery got 100%13:26
SpeedEvildoesn't ShadowJK have a mugen?13:26
SpeedEvilOr is he not using that anymore.13:26
DocScrutinizerthe script doesn't care :-)13:26
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DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: that's meant for you ^^^13:27
RobbieThe1stYea, I saw.13:27
RobbieThe1stI'll probably just see about setting up a watcher loop and restart it 5 minutes after it stops13:28
DocScrutinizernah, don't do that13:28
RobbieThe1stWhy not? The feature I've been asked for mainly revolves around people leaving it on overnight, and with no real mechanism to turn off the screen(etc) during/after its done...13:29
DocScrutinizer1) I haven't even checked the latest version, might have a fix for that. 2) charging won't stop as long as screen keeps on BL 3) that's not exactly what cell manufs recomment (though bme is doing exactly that)13:30
RobbieThe1stHm. Looks like my problem's solved anyway - that script in the post you linked seems to have an infinite loop.13:31
DocScrutinizerok, so 1) hits13:31
RobbieThe1stAnd this makes things a lot easier.13:31
DocScrutinizerI suggested this to meego guys but they are real yellow-belly. I also planned to get same thing into uBoot, which would make a mad lot of sense13:33
DocScrutinizeralas N900 uBoot is so terribly crippled... :-/13:34
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DocScrutinizeruBoot has all it needs to deal with wd, but N900 flavour doesn't exploit it13:35
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RobbieThe1stI'm just hoping it gets the needed improvements so it can replace multiboot...13:35
DocScrutinizererr, it can13:36
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DocScrutinizerit's fsckng nitdroid who need to fix their boot scheme to comply with uboot13:36
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RobbieThe1stThey need some yelling at, I'd imagine..13:37
DocScrutinizeralas it seems they're not interested in any form of coexistence, as usual13:37
RobbieThe1st... Why?13:37
DocScrutinizerandroid general mindset13:37
DocScrutinizerprobably a windows heritage13:38
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RobbieThe1stIsn't this supposed to be a -linux- device? Linux users -always- have lots of stuff coexisting13:38
RobbieThe1stBut yea... Frigging people..13:38
DocScrutinizerif you're running adridiot, it actually stops being a linux device :-P13:38
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DocScrutinizerandroid is NOT linux13:39
RobbieThe1stYea, true13:39
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RobbieThe1stThere's a good reason I haven't bothered with Nitdroid myself..13:40
* DocScrutinizer waiting for luke-jr rant "not evenmaemo is linux"13:40
RobbieThe1stHeh - that's one that's definitive - It uses the Linux kernel.13:40
RobbieThe1stAnd X13:41
DocScrutinizerluke-jr sometimes loves to troll a bit with extreme points of view13:41
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DocScrutinizerlike claiming Qt is a language of it's own13:42
RobbieThe1stI might add that there's a good reason that I'm not associated with the "backupmenu with Multiboot" topic. And the who-knows-how many pages of problems it's accumulated.13:42
DocScrutinizernrelated to C++13:42
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RobbieThe1stNah, I'd say it's a library. It compiles via GCC, doesn't it?13:42
APTXRobbieThe1st: if you're lucky13:43
DocScrutinizeryes, but that's luke-jr - nevermind13:43
RobbieThe1stThat's really the difference between a language and a library, isn't it - If it's a library, it uses a different compiler. If it's a language, it's got it's own compiler system13:43
RobbieThe1stYea, I understand what you meant, Doc.13:43
derfRobbieThe1st: C++ use to be compiled with C compilers.13:43
RobbieThe1stAnd at that time, it would have been an extension/library to C, wouldn't it?13:44
derfNo, I would still have called it a separate language.13:44
DocScrutinizerOMG what have I done :-o Perpetuated luke-jr's trolling13:45
derfIt was diferent in the details from the C++ of today, but not in the broad strokes.13:45
RobbieThe1stXD Trolling(or discussing trolling) is fun13:45
derfI'm not by any means saying luke-jr's argument is right.13:45
derfI'm just saying RobbieThe1st's definition of a language is wrong.13:45
RobbieThe1stWell, I'm just saying that if it'll compile with a C compiler, it's essentially C.13:46
RobbieThe1stI suppose it's like saying that AJAX and Javascript are different.13:46
RobbieThe1st(at that time)13:46
DocScrutinizerwhich sounds reasonably close to a proper definition for me13:46
derfAs one of my professors in grad school once explained to me, "The difference between a language and a dialect is that a language has its own army behind it."13:46
derfHe was talking about natural languages, but I think the reasoning still applies.13:47
RobbieThe1stSo, what, Texan-english is it's own language? They've got the Texas National Guard, don't they?13:47
* DocScrutinizer sighs and heads out for another coffee13:48
RobbieThe1stSorry, I like arguing13:48
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derfThe example at the time was the south-east Dutch, who are more easily understood by their German neigbors across the border than by their fellow Dutchmen... but it's still all called Dutch.13:49
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derfSo, Texas-english will become its own language if they ever manage to secede.13:51
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RobbieThe1stFair enough.13:52
derfBut until then the damn Federalists still have jurisdiction.13:52
APTXthey'll be speaking mexican first :P13:52
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: could you briefly reassure me which tools/steps backup menu V2 is using to restore images now?13:52
RobbieThe1stDerf: Then, I'd argue that having a compiler of it's own is essentially it's own flag or army. Otherwise, it falls under the "banner" of the parent compiler13:53
derfI'd argue that a compiler is more analagous to your own currency, and then point at Europe.13:53
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RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: tar, pure and simple. Running from a ramdisk root, it uses gnu-tar to make an image. Restoring it it uses rm to remove files, then tar to restore13:53
DocScrutinizer:nod: thanks13:54
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RobbieThe1stI can't think of a proper argument... and I'm playing TF2 now..13:56
DocScrutinizerso it's leaving bad block management to ubifs/whatever-the-means of underlaying driver13:56
DocScrutinizerthat's good enough for me, to finally trust it13:57
DocScrutinizerafter careful evaluation :-D13:57
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DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: is there finally support to create a FIASCO from a backup-menu tar?13:59
RobbieThe1stNot internally, no.14:00
DocScrutinizerI mean, you might want to restore rootfs via flasher14:00
RobbieThe1stSeveral people have done it, but I didn't get it quite done.14:00
DocScrutinizernot internally, just some script for desktop linux14:00
RobbieThe1stIt's been done on the n900 in regular-boot mode, from an xterm..14:01
DocScrutinizeraah,of course. You can flash a clean virgin system and use that for restoring your 'image'14:02
DocScrutinizermodulo kernel(+uBoot)14:03
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RobbieThe1stI lost a month due to screen issues14:03
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DocScrutinizerah, I guess it's just good enough. There's nothing wrong with installing a virgin system, then restore the fs-tree of your backup to that. Only takes one step more and a few minutes, conpared to direct restore of a physical image to a partition14:07
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DocScrutinizerthe result should be the same - even better, considering we got NAND here with all that annoying nasty bad block problems14:07
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DocScrutinizerprograms relying on inode numbers, like e.g lilo, wouldn't work that way, but that'S deprecated anyway and I don't think we got any such program on maemo14:09
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DocScrutinizerback in the days where bad block management of MFM HDD was a duty of linux kernel drivers, the situation had been quite similar. We all just got lazy with these nice new hw that hides all this gory details from even the hw interface14:11
SpeedEvilI don't remember the kernel ever handling it14:13
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alteregoDoesn't mean it never happened :P14:14
SpeedEvilyou ran e2fsck with the switch that told it to invoke badblocks to scan the disk, and it added the blocks to the bad blocks list14:14
SpeedEvilUnless it was in an important area, or the first bit of the disk, and you were screwed.14:14
DocScrutinizerman mkfs:14:14
DocScrutinizer-l filename14:14
DocScrutinizer              Read the bad blocks list from filename14:14
SpeedEvilyes - that's not kernel related, that's userspace14:15
SpeedEvilthe kernel never held a list14:15
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DocScrutinizerthe driver on read needs to know a CHS addr is actually bad and needs redirection to a spare block14:16
SpeedEvilNo it doesn't14:16
SpeedEvilThe filesystem doesn't allocate those blocks.14:16
DocScrutinizeryeah it reads a crippled bad blocj mark inside the bad block iirc14:17
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SpeedEvilOr rather - they are allocated to a bad-blocks 'file'14:17
SpeedEvilThe MFM hardware would just return 'CRC error'14:17
DocScrutinizernot even that14:17
SpeedEvilyeah - possibly not - memory is a bit fuzzy14:18
DocScrutinizera bad block might hold perfectly valid data that just can't get rewritten14:18
DocScrutinizerhw can't detect that on read14:18
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SpeedEvilData could 'always' be rewritten on MFM14:19
SpeedEvilOr you'd get a sector not found error14:19
DocScrutinizermeh, funny topic but RL shouting at me14:19
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SpeedEvilTotally, utterly useless knowledge now.14:19
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trxwhere should i put my app's config file? is there a common place?14:19
* SpeedEvil wonders if the MFM drive he has still works.14:19
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reeniginEesreveRhow do i get into insert mode in vim on maemo?14:20
SpeedEviltrx: ~/.appname/config has been used in the past14:20
trxSpeedEvil ok, ty14:20
MohammadAGtrx, which lang?14:20
trxconfig file lang?14:21
trxi was thinking .ini14:21
MohammadAGno, programming lang :P14:21
Venemo_N900trx: most apps use ~/.config/appname/14:21
MohammadAGQt does it nicely14:21
reeniginEesreveRor what is the acceptable good editor on n900?14:21
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trxMohammadAG object pascal14:21
MohammadAGthat's how Qt does it14:21
SpeedEvilNokia-N900:/home/user# find . -name ".*" -type d -maxdepth 1|wc14:22
SpeedEvil      115       115      147514:22
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MohammadAGand I like tit tbh, makes multiple apps by the same author easy to find14:22
MohammadAGit* ....14:22
alteregoYeah, it's quite cool.14:22
trxreeniginEesreveR <- :)14:22
trxMohammadAG i use gtk for now, but my ide allows me to switch to qt with a simple button click14:23
MohammadAGhmm o_O14:23
trxthere are qt functions for storing settings?14:23
trxdidnt knew that14:24
alteregoWhich is also nice.14:24
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* alterego likes QSettings(), it works good if you set your QApplication orgname and appname etc.14:24
MohammadAGI use that too :P14:24
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MohammadAGthough i recall someone/where it says you should use an instance of it14:25
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MohammadAGoh well14:25
smoophHey guys is there a step by step instruction set to transcode a moviefile with avidemux to have it play in the standard mediaplayer on the n90014:26
alteregoYou do use an instance of it ..14:26
smoophNothing so far worked for me14:26
alteregoQSettings().value("blah) ...14:26
alteregoYou shouldn't use it in shared libraries unless you know what you're doing though ..14:26
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fralswhat kind of moviefile is that, my n900 is happy to play what i throw on it usually14:30
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DocScrutinizer51frals: even HQ?14:31
DocScrutinizer51aka HD I guess14:31
DocScrutinizer51doesn't work for me14:32
fralsnever tried 720p or something like that tbh -- it seems a bit silly on a tiny screen like the n900 :)14:32
* alterego tests to see if QDesktopServices can start modest with mailto: urls.14:33
Venemo_N900personal dataplan monitor is buggy14:33
alteregoHoly cow it worked :)14:33
Venemo_N900it probably contains an integer overflow14:33
* alterego deletes all his maemo specific dbus stuff :D14:34
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alteregoHopefully that'll make things a bit more portablt.14:36
alterego~portable ..14:36
DocScrutinizer51frals: that's why OP asked how to transcode14:36
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: good news: I received an email saying that my laptop is repaired14:36
DocScrutinizer51alterego: don't call infobot names14:37
infobotDocScrutinizer51: :)14:37
alteregoVenemo_N900: \o/ :D14:37
alteregoDoes this mean you can start hacking again? :P14:38
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mikki-kunVenemo_N900: how long did it take and what was broken? :)14:38
Venemo_N900alterego: I'll get it tomorrow after my last exam14:38
Venemo_N900alterego: yes!14:38
alteregoYou don't seem to have been doing much recently.14:38
Venemo_N900alterego: that's because my only computing device was an N900 for about 2 weeks, and I had exams?14:38
alteregoOh, :) understandable then14:39
Venemo_N900mikki-kun: the machine randomly froze 1-2 times per day14:39
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mikki-kunyou were running windows on it?14:39
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Venemo_N900mikki-kun: the issue appeared on windows and linux too, so not sw related14:40
smoophfrals: thats the point i need to shrink the file to let it play on the n900 but the mediaplayer only says codec not supported14:40
MohammadAGi'm amused by the N900's battery life without IM14:40
mikki-kunwith linux you might have been able to scavange the logs :)14:40
Venemo_N900MohammadAG :)14:40
Venemo_N900mikki-kun: no logs, nothing in dmesg, nothing relevant at all14:40
mikki-kunso did they tell you what was broken?14:41
Venemo_N900mikki-kun: not yet, but they probably will if I go and get it14:41
MohammadAGthen go and get it :P14:41
SpeedEvilsmooph: there are also additional codecs for the media player that play some more stuff14:41
smoophcan somebody help me with my transcoding problem I already tried it like in the wiki14:41
BCMMsmooph: have you checked to see if mediaplayer is saying that for everything?14:42
smoophSpeedEvil: i have extra codecs installed14:42
SpeedEvilsmooph: sorry - never actually transcoded14:42
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MohammadAGVenemo_N900, did you see the Qt bug report14:42
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: that would probably ruin my exam tomorrow. so I'll wait until I'm done14:42
SpeedEvil(well - that's a lie - but I used mpeg1)14:42
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: your comment about changing the style?14:42
BCMMsmooph: sometimes the DSP gets in a funny state after trying to play some files, and you basically need to reboot - test it by playing a video you know works14:42
smoophBCMM: please elaborate what you mean14:42
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, yes, setting style manually fixes the bug14:42
smoophohh the others work14:43
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: even qmaemo5style.14:43
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: ??14:43
MohammadAGdidn't know that existed14:43
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: that's the default maemo 5 style14:43
Venemo_N900mikki-kun: the machine just became nonresponsive, and the sound card continuously played the last 1 sec of sound.14:44
smoophI am trieing to transcode a 720p to play on my n900 and i would like to use avidemux but if somebody has anything else that works i am happy too14:44
Venemo_N900smooph: there is some encoder included with mplayer, but I've never tried it, sorry14:44
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, sure it's called qmaemo5style?14:45
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: QMaemo5Style14:45
smoophVenemo_N900: that doesn't really help because I don't understand all the differences between the codecs ... avidemux has pre configured settings for playstation portable and it would be perfect to have them for the n900 as well14:47
Venemo_N900smooph: mhm14:47
MohammadAG-style QMaemo5Style brings up the default style14:47
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: because that is the default maemo 5 style14:48
MohammadAGby default i meant the gtk style14:48
smoophyes there is some stuff written on but its not detailed enough for me ... at least it doesn't work14:48
Sicelosmooph, what about
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: hm?14:50
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, that's not the style name14:50
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: maybe I mistyped, moment14:50
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alteregoMohammadAG: did you like my new About dialog? :D14:54
alteregoGot a working donate and "Help" button now14:54
alteregohelp loads up the documentation which I've not wrote yet.14:54
alteregoAnd donate takes you to a paypal donation page.14:55
alteregoMohammadAG: Click on the email, it loads modest and auto fills to and subject14:56
alteregoAnd click on the website label and it loads up the website.14:56
MohammadAGalterego, set it to my paypal for testing purposes14:56
alteregoAnd the code should be almost identical on MeeGo & Desktop14:57
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: btw, why is it that h-e-n only mounts one partition?14:57
alteregoAnd hopefully Symbian, but who knows ..14:57
MohammadAGmount button is retarded :P14:57
smoophSicelo: that looks very promesing thanks a lot14:57
MohammadAGknown bug14:57
DocScrutinizermount shall be handled by either hal or a udev rule14:57
MohammadAGalterego, screenshot :p14:58
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: it mounted my ntfs partition but not the lvm14:58
DocScrutinizera mount button is so... yuck14:58
DocScrutinizerwtf lvm?14:58
DocScrutinizerhow could you mount logical volume manager14:59
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DocScrutinizerbtw lvm is for sissies :-D14:59
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DocScrutinizer(or raids and gorgeous partitions spreading several physical drives)15:00
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, -style qmaemo5style doesn't work15:00
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MohammadAGbrings up the non themed style15:00
Sicelosmooph, thank the community, and Jaffa :)15:00
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: -style maemo5 ?15:00
MohammadAGalterego, neat15:03
MohammadAGalterego, link Tom Swindell to facebook15:03
alteregoPfft, neah.15:04
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JaffaSicelo: What've I done now? :-)15:07
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Sicelomy bad... i was just referring to the fact that smooph has to be grateful to you for Tablet Encode on maemo.org15:09
MohammadAGI'm assuming when you rotate the buttons are on top of each other?15:10
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alteregoIn my about dialog?15:10
alteregoNow, they fit fine side-by-side15:10
infobotalterego meant: No, they fit fine side-by-side15:10
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JaffaSicelo: Oh, cool :-) Praise. I like that :-)15:25
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SiceloJaffa, :P15:41
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* alterego is churning through these feature enhancements ..15:53
alteregoThink I'll aim for a 0.9.3 release this weekend, or maybe tomorrow.15:53
jonwilrelease of what?15:54
alteregoMine app15:54
alteregoI should alias that to an irssi command or something ^.^15:55
fralsalterego: if you feel you dont have enough to do feel free to go through fmms bugs on and close all invalid ones for me ;-)15:55
alteregoI've got plenty to do tbh15:55
jonwilI on the other hand have nothing to do, mostly because all my ideas seem to be going nowhere for the moment.15:56
alteregoToo much, I'm spending time on Columbus at the moment because I've penned it into my schedule, but other than that I have MeeGo work and other stuff that I need to do :P15:56
alteregoGot quite a full life at the moment, shame nothing paid :D15:56
jonwilmy last paid gig wound up last week, now I need to find something new.15:57
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alteregojonwil: exactly, I'm waiting for a contract to start, my handler is on Holiday for another week.15:57
Khertan1(13:21:35) reeniginEesreveR: or what is the acceptable good editor on n900? <<< KhtEditor :
alteregoSo I'm kind of twidling my fingers.15:57
jonwilUnfortunatly no-one around here is looking for Maemo developers :15:57
alteregojonwil: where are you?#15:58
Khertan1alterego: Colombus ? what is it ?15:58
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alteregoKhertan1: it's a GPS app which tries to be like a handheld GPS receiver.15:58
alteregoA pretty Garmin like thing.15:58
jonwilMost of the work going around here is database-driven apps in .NET or J2EE15:58
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Khertan1jonwil: here it s worse ...15:59
Khertan1jonwil: i'm looking for a new job :)15:59
alteregoKhertan1: has also some good streaming and logging capabilities, so you can use it to turn your N900 into a bluetooth GPS mouse, or USB GPS mouse, or even stream the NMEA data over a TCP/IP network.15:59
Khertan1alterego: hum ... interesting ...15:59
Khertan1alterego: remember me, what is the precision of the gps ?16:00
alteregoKhertan1: varies on signal, can be a couple of meteres.16:00
* Khertan1 still dream on how to do a n900 irl light saber with colision detection :)16:00
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alteregoYou could do that with the accel :P16:01
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Khertan1yeah but how to calc the position of the two n900 to determine if one virtual saber touch the other ?16:02
jonwilAll of my n900 ideas seem to be going nowhere and I cant think of anything else worth writing for the thing that hasn't already been done :P16:02
Khertan1using only accellerometers will be difficult16:02
alteregoHrm, ask lcuk about inverse AR :D16:02
alteregoOr just normal AR16:02
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alteregojonwil: write a Conboy in Qt for me :)16:03
lcukKhertan1, hes right in a way - holding up 2 n900s screen to screen can detect themselves16:03
* lcuk was gonna write a high5 app16:03
alteregow00t, my v1.0 roadmap todo list is now viewable without scrolling :)16:03
alteregoMight need to add some more things to do :D16:03
lcuktodo: add scrolling16:04
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lcukcan't see the rest until  that first item is done ;)16:04
alteregoI mean it's shrunk enough to be completely displayable in conboy fullscreen :D16:04
alteregoConboy is awesome.16:05
lcuki keep folding up todos16:05
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alteregoI should really look in to integrating it with tomboy on my desktop16:05
SpeedEvillcuk: A todo list with a fractal dimension?16:05
lcukimproved liqbase app startup time to be quicker than the button fadeout on meego16:05
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alteregolcuk: nice :)16:05
lcukSpeedEvil, yes16:05
jonwilmy efforts to reverse engineer the n900 telephony stack have also failed16:06
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lcukalterego, only because it was a bug where it opened/delay 500ms/closed/opened again ;)16:06
edheldiljonwil:  I have an idea, but not a free time. Dice roller, but one where you would shake the n900 to roll the dice ;-P16:06
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alteregolcuk: now you just need to get it to open before the button is pressed :P16:07
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dotblankaww yea16:07
edheldil... in 3D, with collision detection, of course :)16:07
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Khertan1(15:05:15) alterego: Conboy is awesome. <<< but lack undo feature16:08
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lcukalterego, meh16:09
Khertan1(15:05:35) alterego: I should really look in to integrating it with tomboy on my desktop <<< if you use tomboy on a desktop pc ... you can use the ubuntu one sync server :)16:09
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lcukedheldil, the n810 version of liqbase had a lovely colliding sketch gallery16:09
MohammadAGX-Fade, ping16:09
lcukit would auto size and let you bounce around ideas simply :)16:09
MohammadAGX-Fade, we/I 're/'m having issues with, mind popping into the ssu chan?16:10
alteregoKhertan1: does conboy use ubuntu one?16:10
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Khertan1alterego and if by desktop you mean hildon home desktop :
alteregoKhertan1: What I'd also like is the ability to select certain pages as being "public" and have it upload the content to a webpage or something.16:11
Khertan1(15:10:43) alterego: Khertan1: does conboy use ubuntu one? <<< it can16:11
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Khertan1(15:11:15) alterego: Khertan1: What I'd also like is the ability to select certain pages as being "public" and have it upload the content to a webpage or something. <<< i use also a python script to update thing to dokuwiki :)16:11
alteregoI like your drop reflection effect :) What did you use imagemagick?16:11
Khertan1alterego the reflection is done by your browser16:12
alteregoOh realy, wow.16:12
alteregoWhat's the compatibility like?16:12
alteregoThat's really cool stuff.16:13
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Khertan1original code is available here
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Khertan1It works in all the major browsers - Internet Explorer 5.5+, Mozilla Firefox 1.5+, Safari, Google Chrome and Opera 9+. On older browsers, it'll degrade and your visitors won't notice a thing. Best of all, it's under 5KB.16:15
alteregoYeah, that's really good.16:15
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Khertan1alterego: as you maybe have notice it, my web site is a dokuwiki :)16:16
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Khertan1 <<< ouch there is many new thing reported by the automatic bug report16:18
alteregoYou have a bug reporting facility in your app?16:19
alteregoThat's neat, I was thinking of doing something similar in Columbus today.16:19
Khertan1yep just need to click :)16:19
alteregoNot sure how I can debug segfaults remotely though ;)16:19
Khertan1yeah ... it s more difficult with compiled language16:19
alteregoPresumably a crash reporting dialog thing?16:19
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Khertan1alterego: as it s coded in python i already catch the exeption at high level16:20
lcuk(on error resume next)16:20
Khertan1write them in a file, show a dialog which present the information and ask if you want to report it16:20
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Khertan1and the report is sent via http16:22
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Khertan1there is a risk to be spammed ... but hum ... i didn't care :)16:22
Khertan1i just delete them in case :)16:22
Khertan1and for the moment didn't got any16:22
Khertan1and as it s my own bug tracker ... i know where to write things :)16:23
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Khertan1lcuk: this is the most bad things to do16:23
Khertan1lcuk: this is like closing eye when you see the wall near instead of turning16:24
lcukKhertan1, i know this, you know this.  did not stop it from being a comomn design pattern though!16:25
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Khertan1lcuk: indeed :) this is like singleton which is just a fancy global :)16:27
Khertan1but in some case a necessary bad thing16:27
Khertan1 <- :)16:28
* MohammadAG sighs at Qt bug16:28
Khertan1Qt bug ? there isn't :)16:28
MohammadAGI forgot I had the phone app open, and spent 15 mins debugging16:29
MohammadAGit's a bug in QMaemo5Style16:29
Khertan1MohammadAG: i like this one :
alteregoCool, another enhancement done. (Remember zoom and position from last run)16:31
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Khertan1this smell copy paste and forgot to modify one thing after :)16:31
MohammadAGKhertan1, at least you found the reason for your bug16:32
MohammadAGsomehow, I feel I have to force rotation with a script then run any Qt app16:32
Khertan1MohammadAG: indeed but it doesn't give motivation to report things : still Resolution:Unresolved16:32
MohammadAGand this won't be fixed16:32
MohammadAGKhertan1, mine says more info needed16:32
Khertan1what s your problem ?16:33
Khertan1there is the bug report16:33
MohammadAGit applies to your app :)16:33
Khertan1will read it :)16:33
Khertan1to my app ?16:33
MohammadAGsleep 5; kthweeteur16:33
MohammadAGin 5 seconds, start a portrait app, e.g phone16:33
MohammadAGwatch your app segfault16:33
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MohammadAGthis blocks a portrait hildon-desktop, or a portrait control panel16:33
MohammadAGcontrol panel applet*16:34
Khertan1hum ...16:34
Khertan1will try :)16:34
Khertan1never notice it16:34
MohammadAGit only happens with maemo5's style16:35
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dotblankAHAHA really glib?16:35
dotblankglibs are defined via comments in the code16:35
dotblankI mean gobjects16:35
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dotblankto make a member private you add /*< private >*/16:35
dotblankin a struct16:36
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alteregoRight, I should take a break.16:36
alteregoOr something.16:36
Khertan1hum ... sniff usb network didn't work anymore16:36
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TsuyoHey, if i use gst_init(0,0,); in my app, i get this error "Could not initialize GStreamer: Error re-scanning registry , child terminated by signal" and my app crashes. Does someone have an idea?16:37
TsuyoI'm using QtCreator16:37
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Khertan1MohammadAG: Segmentation fault16:41
Khertan1oh ...16:41
Khertan1never never notice it !16:41
Khertan1thx for the information16:41
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MohammadAGit's quite annoying really16:42
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Khertan1MohammadAG: you cannot vote on resolved issue16:42
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Khertan1did i should report a bug against the bug tracker16:42
Khertan1maybe it s not a bug but a feature16:42
MohammadAGit's already reported16:42
MohammadAGand no, that's a bug in my book16:43
MohammadAGwhat if I want portrait controlpanel applets?16:43
MohammadAGthe reason I'm rewriting controlpanel applets is for them to start in portrait16:43
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Khertan1MohammadAG: so using an other style works ?16:45
MohammadAG-style cleanlooks16:46
MohammadAGor any style other than qmaemo516:46
alteregoIt'd be nice if Qt Creator had a "stub out class" tool16:46
alteregoI'm getting really bored of typing out all the function definitions.16:47
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Khertan1MohammadAG: funny to see that it s didn't come from autorotation as it s work with cleanlooks16:47
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MohammadAGyeah, any other style works16:48
Khertan1MohammadAG: does style are something hard coded ?16:48
MohammadAGit's 2000 lines of code, I'm not reading it :P16:48
MohammadAGgiven that, it's probably a lot of hardocded stuff16:48
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lcukjaffa, conflicting stuff in here, was hermes using proper apis to extract facebook contact info?
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eichihello. i imported a vertificate for my university hotspot with 802.1x, but at the wifi login, i cant choose the certificate. i can only select "none"17:06
eichisomeone has an idea? n900, maemo517:06
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ptlmy n900 is broken but I still have an old backup of my contacts. Is there any way to import this contacts backup into my android phone, or my laptop for that matter?17:07
ptlit's in the .osso-addressbook and other files/dir format17:07
ptland scratchbox does not seem to have the backup/restore app17:07
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alteregoOkay, done 5 items on my todo list, and added one.17:22
alteregoSo I'm 4 up :)17:22
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smoophJaffa: Hi hear you created the nice script to transcode for the n900 ... is there a way to choose a audiotrack? right now it uses the first one which is german but I would prefer the englisch one?17:26
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lardmanalterego: same here, but it's taken me the best part of 2 hours :(17:35
alteregoWell, I've probably put about 2-3 hours in aswell today.17:35
lardmanannoying how much time is wasted doing silly little things like replying to emails17:36
alteregoYou bother replying? :D17:36
lardmannormally it's the ringing round people to find out what's going on, then replying17:36
lardmanalterego: part of the job unfortunately17:37
MohammadAGwonder if I should download the new MeeGo image17:37
GAN900lardman, think of all the time you're saving on phonecalls and meetings. *g*17:37
GAN900It's funny how email being easy to use actually bogs down communication.17:38
lardmanyeah but I still have to go and talk to people so I can relay that info along17:38
lardmanI should just turn my email client off and check twice a day17:38
lardmanand probably not lurk on irtc either ;)17:38
lardmanirc even17:38
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* alterego contemplates a "What's New" reporting system for his app.17:43
MohammadAGcolumbus is growing17:46
MohammadAGcould possibly get bigger than tweego :p17:47
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Khertan1GAN900: and writing email is most of the time better, and some faster for explaining things than phone call between two non native english speaking people17:51
Khertan1MohammadAG: didn't thing easy things to fix ...17:52
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GAN900Khertan1, indeed, but people tend to clog up the tubes with irrelevant bs because it's so easy.17:53
Jaffasmooph: From a DVD or...?17:53
GAN900Also: death to stream of conciousness email writers.17:53
Jaffasmooph: Basically: -m-aid -m127 will select audio ID 127. I've got a new version on my HD which I need to push which does the LANG-based audio selection on all DVD rips, not just the 'dvd://' format (which selects the longest track)17:54
smoophJaffa: no not from a cd ... how do I give the parameter in your script ? ... and is there a way to chosse en|de instead of 1 and 217:56
smoophI saw that the script already states which lang tracks are available17:56
Jaffasmooph: `man mencoder'. `-m' passes a parameter straight through17:56
Jaffasmooph: You might be able to do "-malang -men"17:56
smooph[lavf] stream 0: video (h264), -vid 017:56
smooph[lavf] stream 1: audio (ac3), -aid 0, -alang ger17:56
smooph[lavf] stream 2: audio (ac3), -aid 1, -alang eng17:56
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smoophbut how do I give the parameter in your script ... do I have to edit it or can I pass it through?17:57
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smoophJaffa: sorry i am not familiar with perl and I have problems reading the code ...18:03
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smoophJaffa: I got it thanks ... I simply copied your commandline output (which I hadn't seen *dohh*)  and added "-alang eng" seems to work ... maybe you could incorperate that in your script ... I simply don't understand perl ... maybe its time to learn ;)18:18
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Jaffasmooph: The "-m" option to tablet-encode will pass the value of the "-m" through to mencoder.18:45
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Jaffasmooph: So, instead of c&p'ing the line, you could do: tablet-encode -m-alang -meng input.avi output.avi18:45
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makulkari installed latest rootstrap, but how do i kn which week the build is from?18:56
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Khertan1MohammadAG: ouch and this isn't when displaying a window ... happen at QApplication init18:58
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smoophJaffa: ok now I understand ...18:58
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MohammadAGKhertan1, yes18:59
smoophstill might be a nice addon to the script ... take care18:59
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RST38hEvening, ladies, gentlemen, and other life forms19:08
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mikki-kunRST38h: hey, zombies are either ladies or gentlemen as well!19:10
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DocScrutinizeranybody help me out please - what's busybox analogon for bash ``read var'' ?19:11
DocScrutinizeresp for ``read -t 30 var''19:12
DocScrutinizeror does ~messybox apply here?19:13
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils19:13
MrBawbDocScrutinizer: busybox sh has read, and that read supports -t19:19
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DocScrutinizererrr, maybe I'm blind...19:20
lcukmikki-kun, zombie dogs exist.19:20
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DocScrutinizerthanks MrBawb19:21
mikki-kunlcuk: they are usually not in IRC :)19:21
lcukmikki-kun, you don't /join enough channels then.19:21
RST38hint RenderSound(int Samples)19:21
RST38hno,not this one19:21
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MrBawb /mode +b raaa@innnnsssss19:21
lcukRST38h, hm19:21
RST38hthis one: <facepalm>19:21
mikki-kunlcuk: i am studying biology and i can tell you, dogs can't possibly IRC =p19:22
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mikki-kunmany people might behave like dogs though..^^19:28
luke-jrderf: well I *am* right, so there!19:29
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: ty19:29
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jewardMy N900 is getting pretty battered and I'm wondering if it will last long enough for the successor. Does anyone know anything about such a product?19:35
RST38hjeward: and yes, you already asked.19:35
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jewardI asked in Meego.19:36
RST38hsame thing19:36
alteregoYour answer isn't going to be different here ..19:36
lcukRST38h, what sound are you rendering?19:37
jewardI thought maybe there were different people on the two channels.  :-)  My bad.19:37
RST38hlcuk: something for a client19:37
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threshi'm trying to share some photos using 'sharing'19:55
RST38hah, hello thresh19:55
threshi failed to provide a proper password for my account, so now photo is stuck19:55
threshsays 'transfer error' in sharing applet in a drop-down menu19:56
threshi cant find a way to cancel it, nor restart19:56
threshand I have other photos waiting in queue, so nothing happens19:56
threshany way to fix that?19:56
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threshRST38h: hi, whatsup19:56
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RST38hthresh: not much, btw, has any got a decent, usable version of VLC on android?19:57
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threshRST38h: no, not yet. guys are working on it still.19:57
GAN900Anybody have project management software recommendations for distributed management of about a dozen projects over 3-4 people?19:58
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MrBawbGAN900: trac is popular19:59
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GAN900MrBawb, ah, indeed. Didn't think about that.20:00
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RST38hthresh: lots of trouble there?20:02
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threshRST38h: I don't know really. IIRC they don't have a hw, only worked with an emulator.20:10
threshthat should be fixed soonish, though20:10
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RST38hthresh: ah ok20:10
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threshok it looks like sharing to vkontakte is broken20:15
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alteregolame tmo auto capitalizes O_O20:43
alteregoShould I say, auto de-capitalizes.20:43
RST38hTry 0_020:43
RST38hOr Cyrillic Os.20:44
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MohammadAG~seen crashanddie20:47
infobotcrashanddie <~crashandd@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 2h 54m 47s ago, saying: 'or we're not providing the position'.20:47
MohammadAG~seen crashanddie_20:47
infobotcrashanddie_ <~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 16h 44m 9s ago, saying: 'anyway, good night all'.20:47
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vanadismobileoh hai20:49
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GAN900MohammadAG, that can't be right.20:49
vanadismobileanyone knows how to import a *.p12 certificate into microb?20:50
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alteregoHrm, Nokia do usb 3g dongles. Groovy20:50
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MohammadAGGAN900, I just send him an email, hope he's fine :/20:51
GAN900MohammadAG, indeed.20:51
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alteregoWow, the X5 looks really nasty.20:52
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alteregotbh, all the X5's look a bit odd.20:53
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* alterego packages up a new version of columbus21:07
mikki-kunnokai X5?21:10
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alteregomikki-kun: yeah, horrible looking thing.21:12
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alteregoCompiling packages that rely on other new packages is a pain in the ass.21:22
alteregoI'm going to have to wait and synchronise with 3 extras-devel package imports.21:22
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makulkarhow to get source code of any module in scratchbox?21:46
alteregomakulkar: can you give me an example of what you want?21:47
alteregoI'm not sure what you mean.21:47
makulkarsay i have qtmobility module built in, i need to get source of the binaries which is in SB21:48
alteregoX-Fade: looks like there's a couple of packages stuck in the extras builder queue21:48
makulkaralterego, I think i have 1.1.0 qtmobility so i can extract the code from some place and build, but would be nice to get exact code of binaries in scratchbox21:48
alteregomakulkar: apt-get source libqtm-*21:49
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makulkaralterego, E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/
alteregoYou're not going to get that are you ..21:51
makulkaralterego, looks like.. who wants adobe source!21:52
alteregoIt wont be there.21:53
alteregoIt'll be a binary blob21:53
alteregosource doesn't necessarily mean source code in this case ..21:53
alteregoIt just means the source package.21:53
alteregoWhich may be a closed, proprietary, binary blog.21:54
* alterego sighs, another 20 minutes.21:54
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makulkaralterego, thanks. wget the code ;)21:56
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DocScrutinizer~seen crashanddie_mbp22:11
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infobotcrashanddie_mbp <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 393d 17h 13m 57s ago, saying: 'and I'm utterly amazed at the complexity of the previous sentence after drinking so heavily and it being 4AM'.22:11
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DocScrutinizerI kinda hate those nick-hoppers22:11
alteregoI hate waiting for package imports just to be able to build another one.22:12
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alterego~2m now then I can upload the last.22:13
DocScrutinizerWTF -
DocScrutinizeractually gone since 7 days22:13
alteregoSo it seems.22:14
alteregoDoesn't look great :/22:14
DocScrutinizeryeah :-/22:14
alteregoDoes anyone know him personally?22:14
DocScrutinizerqwerty12 :-D22:14
alteregoWell, maybe emailing him ..22:15
DocScrutinizermoh did22:15
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alteregoI thought he emailed crashanddie, not qwerty22:15
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DocScrutinizerto tell him there's possibly reason to open the champagne?22:17
alteregoOh, you were joking about qwerty :P22:18
DocScrutinizerI don't think they parted as friends, when qwerty12 ragequit22:18
alteregoHe's not tweeted since the 13th either.22:18
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alteregoFinally! /me uploads the last package.22:19
GAN900Hopefully real life called in a good way.22:19
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alteregoHe probably got a girlfriend.22:20
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alteregoThis is the last package that needs building, then updates should start working for end-users22:23
alteregoIn about 20 minutes22:23
alterego(next package import cycle) -_-22:24
alteregoOh god ..22:25
alteregoThat was weird ..22:25
DocScrutinizer   I guess the men in black helicopters homed in on him22:25
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alteregoYay, it built :)22:26
alteregoThough oddly.22:26
fenrirdoes androiid 2.2 work properly with maemo5 dualboot now on n900 now ?22:26
lcukalterego, :) the package thing I have too22:26
lcukI *believe* it got fixed22:26
lcukand now dependencies are checked against the pending transfer to -devel queue22:27
alterego"[extras-builds] [fremantle]: columbus 0.9.3-1 UNKNOWN"22:27
alteregoThat's not the sort of shit I want in my inbox thanks.22:27
lcukso that if you push in sequence, library, app" even immediately after each other22:27
lcukthe dependencies will be resolved22:27
alteregolcuk: so if I upload them all at the same time?22:27
lcukask X-Fade though22:27
lcukalterego, sequence with web site is all I do22:27
alteregoI'll be sure to ask him next time.22:27
alteregoI scp22:27
lcukwell technically that will still be sequential I would imagine?22:28
alteregoDepends how long it takes.22:28
alteregoThere are at least 3 builders22:28
alterego2 are blocked at the moment so yeah, should be sequenctial ^.^22:28
alterego15 minutes before I can test upgrading through extras-devel -_-22:29
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DocScrutinizerI guess lcuk stabbed crashanddie, in an effort to disclose which apps introduced doom into extras22:30
lcukwhen did doom get uploaded, I love that game :P22:31
DocScrutinizer""famous last words""22:31
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DocScrutinizergood one22:31
alteregoI've decided, for every release of Columbus that I announce, I'm going to put a different reason for people to donate for my work.22:31
alteregoThis week it's "Help me pay for my fsckin massive phone bill"22:31
DocScrutinizerdid it help?22:32
alteregoDunno, not posted the message yet :)22:32
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alteregoAs the update isn't in and I've not tested installing it yet ^.^22:32
alteregoAbout 10 more minutes though22:33
DocScrutinizerwith h-e-n we're at an amazing 35bucks, after 4 weeks22:33
alteregoThat is dyer :/22:33
alteregoYou don't have an inbuilt donate button though do you?22:33
DocScrutinizerthat's the problem :-P22:33
alteregoAlso, it's not in extras (though either is Columbus)22:33
alteregoI wonder what your user metrics are .22:34
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alteregoUsage statistics22:34
MohammadAGit's in -devel22:34
alteregohow many, where from, how often they update.22:34
MohammadAGyou can get statistics from devel22:35
DocScrutinizerfailed on that22:35
alteregowhere from in -devel is the only place then :)22:35
DocScrutinizerthe only question, you mean22:35
MohammadAGtotal 5717922:35
alteregoI've already decided on the donate motiviational reason for my next release ^.^22:35
MohammadAGcolumbus 28285 o_O22:36
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DocScrutinizerwaaaah, substract 3 of them22:36
alteregoWhere did you get that info?22:37
MohammadAGmediabar 1501422:37
DocScrutinizerOr I will tell Monk to visit you22:37
MohammadAGI think we have a lot of lurking users...22:37
alteregoMohammadAG: link me bitch22:37
MohammadAGyou need to hack's packages system, luckily, someone did it for you
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MohammadAGdon't call me bitch bitch :p22:37
alteregoI'm just saying how it is :P22:38
alteregoBitch :P22:38
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DocScrutinizero.O wonder what's the pkg name of h-e-n22:39
MohammadAGdidn't use h-e-n since it wouldn't return hits in apt-cache search22:39
MohammadAGand nobody would search for h-e-n really :p22:40
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alteregoI think as far as columbus is concerned 28,284 of them are the same guy reinstalling it to get it to work.22:40
MohammadAGrootsh needs 4k more downloads22:40
MohammadAGhalf a mil.22:41
DocScrutinizerWTF happened in 2011?22:41
RST38halter: that crash does not occur when moving btw22:41
alteregoLoads of freebies22:41
alteregoRST38h: really?22:41
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alteregoSo only when stationary?22:41
RST38halterego: yes,when changing orientation22:41
alteregoChanging orientation without a lock?22:41
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, we all died, this is afterlife22:42
RST38hwith a lock22:42
MohammadAGsee? it's the same as the life before22:42
alteregoHrm, okay.22:42
RST38halterego: also have some comments on the screenslayout22:42
DocScrutinizerwow, if everyone of those donated 1 buck22:42
alteregoRST38h: go ahead :)22:42
RST38halterego: basically, landscape-mode main screen is somewhat random22:42
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, that's not the proper way to do it22:43
RST38halterego: you probably want to rethink what you show at the right side22:43
DocScrutinizerwe should sell next version in ovi, for .9922:43
RST38halterego:and show something moreimportant22:43
MohammadAGif everyone of those donated 0.99c22:43
MohammadAGyes, that's marketing, 0.99 < 122:43
RST38halterego: I would say, SPEED, ALTITUDE, ACCELERATION22:43
alteregoRST38h: mainview being what?22:43
RST38hfirst screen22:43
RST38halterego: or SPEED, ALTITUDE, SATS22:43
alteregoI guess that depends who you are22:43
alteregoAnd speed is there22:43
RST38halterego: yes, I know22:44
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, now if this was the iPhone, you could see for 0.99, and we'll probably be around Bill Gates' income22:44
alteregoI removed altitude becuase I didn't tnink it was that important.22:44
RST38halterego: Just think of prioritizing this stuff (and I understand how difficult it is given that these graphs do not show in portrait)22:44
RST38haltitude is probably not ofmuch use for most people22:44
RST38hOh, one more thing22:44
MohammadAGaltitude is importrant22:44
RST38hOne of the floating transparent buttons shows up at the middle of the screen at startup22:45
MohammadAGI need to know which floor I'm on by subtracting current altitude from ground altitude22:45
RST38hSomething related to window rotation when it is being opened22:45
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RST38hclicking the button returns it to the corner where it should be22:45
RST38hMohammad: just look for an elevator, they have got numbering22:45
alteregoRST38h: they do now :P22:46
alteregoRST38h: yeah, known bug :)22:46
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alteregoRST38h: just touching the screen fixes it actually, you don't need to press the button.22:46
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alteregoCool, got it to crash, now I can debug :D22:51
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alteregoShame I couldn't do this before this release :/22:52
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alteregoRST38h: when you say the main view, do you mean the track log?22:58
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alteregoBecause altitude is reported on the first "Status View" screen ..22:58
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befordrepos are really slow or it's just me? :)23:01
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alteregoIt's the millions of people downloading Columbus! :D23:04
* alterego chuckles23:05
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alteregowb crashanddie :)23:08
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MohammadAGGAN900, he's back23:11
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: HEYA!23:13
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DocScrutinizerI'm glad to find you well and alive23:17
DocScrutinizerI already suspected they homed in at you with their helicopters - well probably it was easier to use a car :-/23:19
mikki-kunalterego: what is making columbus special and a must-have on my device? :)23:19
DocScrutinizer([2011-01-19 21:25:38] <DocScrutinizer>   I guess the men in black helicopters homed in on him)23:19
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: sorry, I'm keeping my bastard operator job in this channel for a while longer23:26
mikki-kunis it so bad?23:27
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* trumee N900 has the most SHITTY SIP voice quality ever.23:29
* trumee F*ck you Nokia for downgrading Sip from N9523:30
* trumee and Collabora too!23:32
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* trumee feels lighter now23:32
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Tokzhi guys23:38
Tokzis it posible to add folders from computer to the default media player UPnP thingy?23:38
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yaccTokz, yeah, you need to use an upnp server on your computer.23:39
Tokzhow does that work?23:40
yaccTokz, Windows has it somehow builtin, but as a non-user I have no idea.23:40
yaccTokz, for Linux you can install for example mediatomb.23:40
Tokzim using windows =(23:40
yaccTokz, Windows => look at keywords like sharing or adding files to Windows Media Player.23:40
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Tokzso it works through windows media player?23:41
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yaccTokz: Guess so, it's doable, my wife managed after fiddling with it for a couple of evenings, so you'll manage too :)23:42
Tokzhope so23:42
yaccAnyway, anyone got here an idea how to verify that packets are being marked correctly by iptables (--set-mark)?23:42
Tokzwhen i go to media player and choose one of those default UPnP folders it just keeps loading and loading23:43
Tokznothing happens23:43
yaccFailing that, channel recommendations where this question would be on topic ;)23:43
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eichidoes the mobile hotspot kernel change much on kernel and system?23:44
eichidont want to break any other things23:45
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BCMMeichi: there is a mobile hotspot kernel? doesn't it just use kernel-power?23:45
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RST38hAhaha, Nokia X10 has been leaked23:46
RST38hGuess what it is running, folks? =)23:46
eichiBCMM: dont know, maybe?23:46
rm_workSymbian 20?23:46
RST38hNo, Symbian^323:46
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RST38hWhy do you need Symbian 20 when Symbian^3 is such a perfect OS for everyone?23:47
rm_workah... so... what is the value of symbian? like... 2.7? :P23:47
BCMMeichi: - shouldn't break anything, just adds some features23:47
rm_workcause that's definitely how i define it23:47
eichiBCMM: does this one make problems?23:47
BCMMpresumably, there will be a tiny amount of extra memory usage23:48
eichiBCMM: where can i see, which maemo5 version i have got?23:48
BCMMeichi: not really. it used to not support fcam drivers, but it's fixed23:48
BCMMeichi: in system settings, about device or something, but i can't remember how to interpret the version in terms of easy things like "pr1.3"23:49
rm_workSymbian = 2.714523:49
rm_workSymbian^3 = 20 :P23:50
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eichi20.2010.36-2 should be latest, i think23:51
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yaccBCMM: Actually for me it broke some things, e.g. g_file_storage seems to be preloaded, and I need to manually unload it and load g_nokia or else the USB selection dialog does not pop up on connection, ...23:52
BCMMyacc: are those modules?23:52
yaccBCMM, yeah, I'm completely baffled by changing the kernel should change that userland behaviour, ...23:52
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BCMMyacc: and do you mean the "charging only/mass storage/pc suite" dialog? works fine here23:53
yaccRST38h, so MeeGo phones are still vapourware :(23:55
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yaccBCMM, yeah, I mean that dialog, and yes, I wonder why the kernel change should introduce userland behaviour changes :(23:55
yaccBCMM, another thing is that the down commands on usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces are not run reliably anymore :(23:56
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