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| alterego | So much code ... | 00:14 |
| makulkar | could any one help me with installing keyring? im gettin GPG error while apt-get update | 00:15 |
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| makulkar | I get "No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/." | 00:19 |
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| jonwil | You said you could reverse engineer some stuff for me? | 00:24 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, is the 'unlock-slider'-screen kind of broken? while it is on i can happily type in an opened xterm... | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | possibly | 00:27 |
| jacekowski | jonwil: yeah | 00:27 |
| mikki-kun | hm... i hope nokia will still make another update which has some crucial bugixes... or did they state otherwise? | 00:29 |
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| yigal | has pithos been ported to Maemo? | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, you wish :p | 00:35 |
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| sid_ | how to wire a usb a-a adaptor? only cross d+ and d-? | 00:35 |
| trx | sid_ you mean female <--> female ? | 00:37 |
| sid_ | trx: yes | 00:37 |
| trx | i did no crossing here | 00:38 |
| trx | just connected them by color | 00:38 |
| trx | http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/572/20101209001.jpg | 00:38 |
| blue_led | @sid_ pin to pin 1 to 1 , 2 to 2 , ... | 00:38 |
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| sid_ | 1:1 thanks; still have some plugs from a "usb power cable" | 00:39 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: did they ever state pr1.3 will be the last? | 00:39 |
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| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, it's staring you in the face on bugs.maemo.org :P | 00:40 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, they sure have many unsolved :) | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | I'd look at WONTFIX | 00:49 |
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| BCMM | but TMO said 1.4 was tomorrow! | 00:55 |
| BCMM | (on several occasions) | 00:55 |
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| mikki-kun | BCMM: now is tomorrow, where is it? :> | 01:03 |
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| ed209 | hi everybody | 01:05 |
| ed209 | i'm trying to set up iptables on my nokia n900 | 01:05 |
| ed209 | but i don't understand how get to work the nat table | 01:06 |
| ed209 | sorry for my english | 01:06 |
| MrBawb | ed209: do you have the power kernel? | 01:06 |
| BCMM | ed209: which kernel do you use? | 01:06 |
| BCMM | MrBawb: you win :) | 01:06 |
| MrBawb | :) | 01:06 |
| ed209 | the default kernel | 01:06 |
| ed209 | there is'nt a package from the extra devel repository with iptables nat working? | 01:07 |
| BCMM | ed209: the default kernel doesn't include NAT. i didn't think it included iptables at all. | 01:07 |
| BCMM | ed209: kernel-power does NAT | 01:08 |
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| BCMM | there are various caveats about kernel-power, read the wiki | 01:08 |
| BCMM | mostly, don't uninstall it carelessly or you'll have to reflash | 01:08 |
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| ed209 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/iptables/ | 01:09 |
| ed209 | here say iptables with nat | 01:09 |
| ieatlint | iptables is a userspace application that interfaces with netfilter in the kernel | 01:09 |
| ieatlint | the default kernel doesn't have netfilter, as pointed out | 01:09 |
| ed209 | i was wondering if there was a way to get this working without the kernel power | 01:09 |
| ieatlint | so yes, you can run iptables, but it can't do anything without kernel support | 01:10 |
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| MrBawb | realistically, the only way to do nat is through the power kernel | 01:10 |
| BCMM | ed209: my emphasis: "These are the *user-space* administration tools for the Linuxkernel's netfilter and iptables" | 01:10 |
| ieatlint | not just realistically... the only way is with a new kernel | 01:11 |
| BCMM | you still need kernel support | 01:11 |
| BCMM | ed209: kernel-power isn't a problem, really | 01:11 |
| ed209 | ok, than i just type apt-get install kernel-power-settings? | 01:11 |
| BCMM | "kernel-power-settings"? | 01:11 |
| ieatlint | yes | 01:12 |
| ed209 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Installation_of_the_stable_kernel_from_extras | 01:12 |
| ed209 | i'm reading this | 01:12 |
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| ieatlint | installing "kernel-power-settings" is the way the wiki recommends, which will pull in the dependencies required like "kernel-power" | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | so yes, that should work without any issue, but best to perform a backup anyway | 01:12 |
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| Pauly | i have an n900. | 01:13 |
| ed209 | there is the risk to brick the nokia? | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | no | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | but in the *unlikely* event of failure, you will need a computer to reflash the kernel | 01:14 |
| ed209 | ok | 01:14 |
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| ieatlint | however, your device won't be dead, and even if you do need to do that, it shouldn't even delete your files | 01:14 |
| ieatlint | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image is what is involved in fixing a bad kernel on the phone | 01:15 |
| BCMM | ieatlint: oh, sorry | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | BCMM: nah, it's not that intuitive.. :P | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | shockingly... | 01:15 |
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| ed209 | the stable kernel power package from the extra repository includes the nat features or i have to install the package from the extra-devel? | 01:16 |
| BCMM | ed209: it's pretty hard to "brick" the n900 properly, at least without using overclocking. it is, however, easy to get it in a state in which you need to reflash from a PC (which is sometimes called "bricking") | 01:16 |
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| ieatlint | ed209: stable will work just fine for you | 01:16 |
| BCMM | (but imho should not be) | 01:16 |
| ed209 | thanks to everybody | 01:16 |
| ieatlint | np | 01:17 |
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| jacekowski | ed209: always go for version from devel | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | ed209: version from stable are old | 01:20 |
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| ed209 | i don't care i just need nat | 01:22 |
| mikki-kun | wow, someone promoting devel :o | 01:22 |
| ieatlint | heh, he doesn't need anything that new | 01:22 |
| ieatlint | stable is stable, and gets the job done without issue | 01:22 |
| ed209 | yep | 01:22 |
| mikki-kun | which version is in extras? | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | latest | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | devel is stable as well | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | i never had any problems with stuff from devel | 01:23 |
| mikki-kun | i think i had once or twice... | 01:24 |
| mikki-kun | but devel is getting way more stable these days | 01:24 |
| ieatlint | well, the package maintainer seems to disagree, having not promoted it to extras-testing | 01:25 |
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| mikki-kun | 42 seems to be in extras.... | 01:28 |
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| jacekowski | ieatlint: or doesn't care | 01:30 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi | 01:38 |
| TiagoTiago | what could be making the Photos program not see any picture unless i tell it to look into an specific folder? | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | -devel apps will break one thing for sure, restorability of a 1.2 backup | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: config of trackerd | 01:39 |
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| TiagoTiago | what can i do to help narrow down the cause? | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | check the config file, restore the original config file | 01:41 |
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| TiagoTiago | do you got the path to that file by heart or i'll have to google for it? | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check my <user>/tools page in wiki | 01:44 |
| TiagoTiago | k, thx | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or use that app, called trackercontrol or whatever | 01:44 |
| TiagoTiago | that will also affect the Photos prog? | 01:45 |
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| MohammadAG | media, photos, everything related to tracker | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | use tracker-cfg from the repos | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though it might use different configs for photos and for other media. At least there's also a "tool" called thumbnailerd | 01:47 |
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| TiagoTiago | do i click "Rebuild databases" ? | 01:47 |
| TiagoTiago | I mean, should i? | 01:47 |
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| TiagoTiago | i already tried restore original and restart tracker | 01:48 |
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| TiagoTiago | well, i'll see what happens then | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, tracker calls that | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | (afaik) | 01:51 |
| TiagoTiago | still "(no images)" :( | 01:51 |
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| MohammadAG | overclocked? | 01:52 |
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| TiagoTiago | not recently | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | corrupt /home? | 01:53 |
| * javispedro pokes MohammadAG with a sausage | 01:53 | |
| javispedro | aka capacitive styles | 01:54 |
| TiagoTiago | i can browse to it just fine, and telling Photos to open a folder inside MyDocs shows the images in that folder | 01:54 |
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| TiagoTiago | hm, Media Player now also doesn't see anything :( | 01:57 |
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| ed209 | i did it | 01:57 |
| ed209 | it works like a charm | 01:57 |
| ed209 | tahnks to everyone | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG | well | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | either your /home is full, or corrupt | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | so tracker can't regenerate files | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | or trackerd gone on vacation or sanity health care | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | if /home is corrupt, I suggest you don't try to be a smartass (like I did once), backup what you have nicely, then flash eMMC | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | fsck just... fskced it up | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | but a full ~ sounds good | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | poking a corrupt /home resulted in stale NFS handles for me | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, /home could be corrupt and mount R7O | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | r/o | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which would have same effect as a full /home, for trackerd | 02:00 |
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| TiagoTiago | 114mb free on home, is that too little or enough? | 02:02 |
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| TiagoTiago | how do i check if /home is r/o? | 02:06 |
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| MohammadAG | touch /home/somefilename | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | would be the easiest way | 02:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | rm -rf /home, if it reports errors, it's read-only | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | (not really) | 02:08 |
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| alterego | Think I'm going to scrap routing infrastructure in the v1 roadmap. | 02:08 |
| alterego | I've decided it's pointless without maps. | 02:09 |
| javispedro | it probably is | 02:09 |
| jonwil | anyone here know anything about Telepathy or know of any documentation on how it works (i.e. the upper level interface used by the apps to talk to it)? | 02:09 |
| javispedro | unless you want to compete with navit and that other KDE app. | 02:10 |
| javispedro | jonwil: Telepathy is a GNOME project. There's surely thousands of docs on the web. | 02:10 |
| alterego | I've moved it to the v2 road map, which, to be honest only really has mapping to add to it. | 02:10 |
| javispedro | alterego: I think what's missing right now is an app doing "all subpages on a Garmin GPS != map" | 02:10 |
| alterego | javispedro: that's my goal. | 02:11 |
| TiagoTiago | if i create and delete a folder inside /home then it isn't r/o? | 02:11 |
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| javispedro | alterego: :D | 02:11 |
| alterego | javispedro: have you used my app? | 02:11 |
| javispedro | not yet =) | 02:12 |
| alterego | javispedro: if you think that's what is missing, then you're the perfect user for me to get input ;) | 02:12 |
| javispedro | the other day I made a roadtrip but decided to take the N810 instead | 02:12 |
| javispedro | to find the agps server stopped working =( | 02:12 |
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| javispedro | in panic I even made a duplicate thread on tmo :P | 02:12 |
| MohammadAG | do you use columbus to make your roadmap? :3 | 02:13 |
| alterego | That and your technical knowledge would be appreciated as it's some what lacking in my current user base. | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 02:14 |
| alterego | javispedro: you've seen the screenshots though right? | 02:14 |
| alterego | I should probably write some documentation too tbh. | 02:14 |
| javispedro | yep | 02:14 |
| Kilroo1 | I miss nav4all. | 02:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Routing is not pointless without maps! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDPrFJazD3Q&feature=channel | 02:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Don't forget multithreading too! | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | 16 core ARM is going to be in phones in ac ouple of years. | 02:22 |
| javispedro | good point. I wonder If I should also consider quantum computing. | 02:22 |
| javispedro | quantum computing = enum bool { FALSE, TRUE, FILE_NOT_FOUND } | 02:23 |
| javispedro | </dailywtf old joke> | 02:23 |
| alterego | ARM 64 is a _looong_ way off. | 02:24 |
| alterego | Though there was talk about having ARM powered server machines last year. | 02:25 |
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| TiagoTiago | seems the issue really was not enough free space in /home | 02:26 |
| TiagoTiago | does the database need any of the fancy features of linux filesystems or can i place it on MyDocs? | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I resized mydocs down to 4G, and added another ext3 partition | 02:27 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: you'll be pleased to know I've made my about dialog open email when my email address is pressed and open the web browser when the webpage is pressed :) | 02:28 |
| alterego | I'll add the donate button tomorrow, g'night folks. | 02:28 |
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| javispedro | cya alterego | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: night! | 02:30 |
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| TiagoTiago | does lack of space at /home causes any issues besides the photos and media outage and not being able to install more stuff? | 02:32 |
| javispedro | yeah, lack of space at /home causes not being able to install stuff | 02:32 |
| javispedro | ah, grammar ambiguity. sorry. | 02:33 |
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| javispedro | well, it possibly causes extra issues. | 02:33 |
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| TiagoTiago | what else? | 02:34 |
| eichi | navit is the only map tool, which can handle osm vektor data, isn't it? | 02:34 |
| javispedro | TiagoTiago: dunno, it could seem random failures. | 02:34 |
| TiagoTiago | i see | 02:35 |
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| TiagoTiago | well, i'm heading to bed, thanx for the assistance, cya | 02:54 |
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| D-man | Hey guys. Can anyone run a 20kb ARM binary in an emulator for me and tell me the output? | 03:00 |
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| jonwil | anyone here know of a spec for the linux ARM ABI? | 03:50 |
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| jonwil | never mind, found it | 03:53 |
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| Sceptic_dude | So ... What's new in the dead os space? | 05:46 |
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| smooph | yes ... | 10:27 |
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| djszapi | How can I set a daemon running during each boot process automatically ? | 11:08 |
| djszapi | I do not see rc.local on the target device. | 11:08 |
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| jonwil | Based on the last comment to bug 7019, I doubt any of the telephony code needed for cell broadcast will be made available :( | 11:11 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7019 Release source code of "getbootstate" | 11:11 |
| jonwil | Its the usual "not used in MeeGo therefore no-one cares" argument : | 11:11 |
| jonwil | :( | 11:11 |
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| ShadowJK | jonwil, hey atleast you got a reply of some sort :) | 11:14 |
| jonwil | no, not to the CBSMS thing | 11:14 |
| jonwil | at least I got one to the answer on getbootstate | 11:14 |
| jonwil | which is good | 11:15 |
| jonwil | someone yesterday said they would kick the CBSMS thing to the right people I think | 11:15 |
| jonwil | I am not giving up hope for cbsms since A.We dont want code, only headers (which are presumably easier to open up | 11:15 |
| jonwil | and B.We have a concrete valid use-case for what we want to do | 11:16 |
| jonwil | either way, worst that can happen is Nokia says no | 11:16 |
| jonwil | and we move on | 11:16 |
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| jonwil | if it was possible, I would advocate writing code so that the closed-source lower level telephony stack can be replaced with an open source ofono stack instead. But its not possible AFAIK | 11:19 |
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| ShadowJK | from the comments it looks like you could cut getbootstate out of the initscripts alltogether anyway | 11:19 |
| jonwil | I guess so | 11:19 |
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| jonwil | anyhow, it was more a case of "there was talk of opening it up, lets see what the decision was" | 11:20 |
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| jonwil | and in that specific case the decision was "no, the use case for having the code open is gone and its no longer valid for MeeGo so no, lets not open it up" | 11:22 |
| ShadowJK | the original usecase seemed a bit weak too :) | 11:23 |
| jonwil | yeah | 11:23 |
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| jonwil | The use case for cbsms is fairly big, for one thing I dont want to miss emergency messages because my phone can't receive them. | 11:25 |
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| ShadowJK | I bet people will complain about the closed source calendars and contacts in Nokia MeeGo too, but do nothing to improve MeeGo's own calendar and contacts apps :) | 11:26 |
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| jonwil | IMO I doubt if MeeGo will ever be a 100% suitable replacement for Maemo on the N900 | 11:28 |
| jonwil | certainly wont ever come near to feature parity | 11:28 |
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| Corsac | ShadowJK: one thing which really piss me off (on fremantle) is that there's only one sync'able calendar :/ | 11:30 |
| ShadowJK | afaiui on meego there's no local calendar | 11:30 |
| ShadowJK | only google cloud calendar :) | 11:31 |
| Corsac | super... | 11:31 |
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| ShadowJK | That'd be a great place to hack on, add localdb support | 11:32 |
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| jonwil | jacekowski: ping | 11:44 |
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| jacekowski | jonwil: | 11:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | damn, charging hostmode failure ater ~70h | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | after* | 11:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, who would've thought on ZyXEL P660 you need to assign fixed MAC->IP assignments that are from _within_ the DHCP IP range | 12:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I 'fixed' this 'flaw' in LAN config, and consequently t900 ssh running the charge script had to come to an end eventually | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing wrong with charging hostmode | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/need to assign/need to pick/ | 12:20 |
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| * SpeedEvil should learn to use DHCP. | 12:21 | |
| SpeedEvil | My IP addresses are assigned with RPIN | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Red Post-It Note. | 12:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | I only have ~8 though | 12:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I changed from plain DHCP to fixed IPs assigned to MAC recently. All routers should have such a function | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | then yesterday I checked that router's DHCP table and thought "duh, start of dhcp range:30, length 32, MAC foo:b:ar -> ...41 - Nah that's odd" and changed the range from 32 to 10 | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 12:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so this morning t900 had 192.168.1.34 instead of ...41 XD | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously teh ssh session running the charge script didn't like that :-D | 12:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: previously my IP addresses were assigned by mere random, and local DNS worked like "http://192.168.1.1; click on 'DHCP table', look up <machine's name>" | 12:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: so don't think DHCP is that great, without additional tweaks | 12:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | t900, IroN900 and N810 happily swapped thir IPs every now and then | 12:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it just gives me headache how t900, on charge script getting killed, managed to boot into backup menu, while bq24150 still kept that funny state of bright steady amber LED | 12:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I can see how it managed to shut down on bat very low, I also understand it immediately rebooted as there's been external vbus, but HOW TF bq24150 managed to keep that weird state during NOLO booting? | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | even during Linux kernel booting into backup menu | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd think at some point during the process bq24150 gets initialized | 12:51 |
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| RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: All I can think of is that it doesn't get initialized by the point BackupMenu rests control from the init process | 13:01 |
| RobbieThe1st | I know people have complained that it doesn't charge when running BackupMenu... | 13:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: host mode works like a charm | 13:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: thank you for it | 13:02 |
| Appiah | O_o | 13:02 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N900, heya | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: all my prev experience seems to suggest NOLO resets bq24150 charger chip and - on certain conditions - even might start charging, though I could be mistaken with the 2nd part | 13:05 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hm.. | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, hory for new facts to feed my hungry brain :-D | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hooray even | 13:06 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi lcuk :) | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably the "NOKIA" screen fooled me into thinking NOLO das precharge on very low battery while actually it's probably bme_RX-51 -b that gets invoked somewhere in start bme event script | 13:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: By the way, that reminds me - BackupMenu -doesn't- charge when it's running, and that's a feature a lot of people want. What would be a good way to implement that? Include and run JRBME? | 13:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: how're you? | 13:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | Or... I suppose I could just use bme_RX-51 -b... | 13:08 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: although I changed the led pattern to a steady violet. the blinking one from your mce.ini was very irritating while watching a movie | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: for now you should rather content with ShadowJK's chargescript - jrbme's Lore | 13:11 |
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| RobbieThe1st | So including and running "bme_RX-51 -b" wouldn't work as expected? | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: I'm not quite sure bme will work in that stage, esp given the fact it's talking to a lot of other system components | 13:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ah | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | just try | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | but bme -b is for "checking battery and precharging" only | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't give you decent charging | 13:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | Darn. | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK's charge script OTOH (and later on jrbme which includes this script as a part of its functionality) should do a sufficiently convenient job on charging battery during backup menu | 13:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'll look into it | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | (which includes) ...minus some clumsy bits, plus augments for better cli syntax and return codes/reporting | 13:16 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Got a link or package name? | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: you don't need to look into it. Simply start it (in a subshell) :-D | 13:18 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, I am ok, just fighting different MMC cards | 13:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, I need to -find- it first... | 13:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 has all you need | 13:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: were you able to contact the butterfly guy? | 13:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | thanks | 13:19 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N900, I sent a mail to jonny and did not get bounce back and the addr you specified is correct and valid | 13:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: interesting. | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: nota bene this script is discouraged use, will get replaced by jrbme script soon, that's coming with h-e-n | 13:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: then why did it bounced back for me? | 13:21 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, ie resend and try | 13:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | ok lcuk | 13:22 |
| lcuk | then if it fails, fwd me the bounce report and I will look into it | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: though it works great on a technical side, it has quite some usability issues that need to get ironed out | 13:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | work great means it's been in use by ShadowJK to exclusively charge his battery this way, since 6 months now | 13:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: main downside: it's a oneshot script. Eventually it quits when battery got 100% | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | doesn't ShadowJK have a mugen? | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Or is he not using that anymore. | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | the script doesn't care :-) | 13:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oops | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: that's meant for you ^^^ | 13:27 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, I saw. | 13:27 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'll probably just see about setting up a watcher loop and restart it 5 minutes after it stops | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, don't do that | 13:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | Why not? The feature I've been asked for mainly revolves around people leaving it on overnight, and with no real mechanism to turn off the screen(etc) during/after its done... | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1) I haven't even checked the latest version, might have a fix for that. 2) charging won't stop as long as screen keeps on BL 3) that's not exactly what cell manufs recomment (though bme is doing exactly that) | 13:30 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hm. Looks like my problem's solved anyway - that script in the post you linked seems to have an infinite loop. | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, so 1) hits | 13:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | And this makes things a lot easier. | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggested this to meego guys but they are real yellow-belly. I also planned to get same thing into uBoot, which would make a mad lot of sense | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas N900 uBoot is so terribly crippled... :-/ | 13:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uBoot has all it needs to deal with wd, but N900 flavour doesn't exploit it | 13:35 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I'm just hoping it gets the needed improvements so it can replace multiboot... | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, it can | 13:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's fsckng nitdroid who need to fix their boot scheme to comply with uboot | 13:36 |
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| RobbieThe1st | They need some yelling at, I'd imagine.. | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas it seems they're not interested in any form of coexistence, as usual | 13:37 |
| RobbieThe1st | ... Why? | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | android general mindset | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably a windows heritage | 13:38 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Isn't this supposed to be a -linux- device? Linux users -always- have lots of stuff coexisting | 13:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | But yea... Frigging people.. | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're running adridiot, it actually stops being a linux device :-P | 13:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | android is NOT linux | 13:39 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, true | 13:39 |
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| RobbieThe1st | There's a good reason I haven't bothered with Nitdroid myself.. | 13:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer waiting for luke-jr rant "not evenmaemo is linux" | 13:40 | |
| RobbieThe1st | Heh - that's one that's definitive - It uses the Linux kernel. | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:41 |
| RobbieThe1st | And X | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr sometimes loves to troll a bit with extreme points of view | 13:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like claiming Qt is a language of it's own | 13:42 |
| RobbieThe1st | I might add that there's a good reason that I'm not associated with the "backupmenu with Multiboot" topic. And the who-knows-how many pages of problems it's accumulated. | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | nrelated to C++ | 13:42 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Nah, I'd say it's a library. It compiles via GCC, doesn't it? | 13:42 |
| Khertan1 | Morning | 13:42 |
| APTX | RobbieThe1st: if you're lucky | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but that's luke-jr - nevermind | 13:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | That's really the difference between a language and a library, isn't it - If it's a library, it uses a different compiler. If it's a language, it's got it's own compiler system | 13:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, I understand what you meant, Doc. | 13:43 |
| derf | RobbieThe1st: C++ use to be compiled with C compilers. | 13:43 |
| derf | *used | 13:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | And at that time, it would have been an extension/library to C, wouldn't it? | 13:44 |
| derf | No, I would still have called it a separate language. | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG what have I done :-o Perpetuated luke-jr's trolling | 13:45 |
| derf | It was diferent in the details from the C++ of today, but not in the broad strokes. | 13:45 |
| RobbieThe1st | XD Trolling(or discussing trolling) is fun | 13:45 |
| derf | I'm not by any means saying luke-jr's argument is right. | 13:45 |
| derf | I'm just saying RobbieThe1st's definition of a language is wrong. | 13:45 |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, I'm just saying that if it'll compile with a C compiler, it's essentially C. | 13:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | I suppose it's like saying that AJAX and Javascript are different. | 13:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | (at that time) | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | which sounds reasonably close to a proper definition for me | 13:46 |
| derf | As one of my professors in grad school once explained to me, "The difference between a language and a dialect is that a language has its own army behind it." | 13:46 |
| derf | He was talking about natural languages, but I think the reasoning still applies. | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:47 |
| RobbieThe1st | So, what, Texan-english is it's own language? They've got the Texas National Guard, don't they? | 13:47 |
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| RobbieThe1st | XD | 13:48 |
| RobbieThe1st | Sorry, I like arguing | 13:48 |
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| derf | The example at the time was the south-east Dutch, who are more easily understood by their German neigbors across the border than by their fellow Dutchmen... but it's still all called Dutch. | 13:49 |
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| derf | So, Texas-english will become its own language if they ever manage to secede. | 13:51 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Fair enough. | 13:52 |
| derf | But until then the damn Federalists still have jurisdiction. | 13:52 |
| APTX | they'll be speaking mexican first :P | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: could you briefly reassure me which tools/steps backup menu V2 is using to restore images now? | 13:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | Derf: Then, I'd argue that having a compiler of it's own is essentially it's own flag or army. Otherwise, it falls under the "banner" of the parent compiler | 13:53 |
| derf | I'd argue that a compiler is more analagous to your own currency, and then point at Europe. | 13:53 |
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| RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: tar, pure and simple. Running from a ramdisk root, it uses gnu-tar to make an image. Restoring it it uses rm to remove files, then tar to restore | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: thanks | 13:54 |
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| cehteh | mhm | 13:54 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I can't think of a proper argument... and I'm playing TF2 now.. | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's leaving bad block management to ubifs/whatever-the-means of underlaying driver | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's good enough for me, to finally trust it | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | after careful evaluation :-D | 13:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: is there finally support to create a FIASCO from a backup-menu tar? | 13:59 |
| RobbieThe1st | Not internally, no. | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, you might want to restore rootfs via flasher | 14:00 |
| RobbieThe1st | Several people have done it, but I didn't get it quite done. | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | not internally, just some script for desktop linux | 14:00 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's been done on the n900 in regular-boot mode, from an xterm.. | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah,of course. You can flash a clean virgin system and use that for restoring your 'image' | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | modulo kernel(+uBoot) | 14:03 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Sorry | 14:03 |
| RobbieThe1st | I lost a month due to screen issues | 14:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ah, I guess it's just good enough. There's nothing wrong with installing a virgin system, then restore the fs-tree of your backup to that. Only takes one step more and a few minutes, conpared to direct restore of a physical image to a partition | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the result should be the same - even better, considering we got NAND here with all that annoying nasty bad block problems | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | programs relying on inode numbers, like e.g lilo, wouldn't work that way, but that'S deprecated anyway and I don't think we got any such program on maemo | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | back in the days where bad block management of MFM HDD was a duty of linux kernel drivers, the situation had been quite similar. We all just got lazy with these nice new hw that hides all this gory details from even the hw interface | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | umm | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't remember the kernel ever handling it | 14:13 |
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| alterego | Doesn't mean it never happened :P | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | you ran e2fsck with the switch that told it to invoke badblocks to scan the disk, and it added the blocks to the bad blocks list | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless it was in an important area, or the first bit of the disk, and you were screwed. | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | man mkfs: | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | -l filename | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Read the bad blocks list from filename | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - that's not kernel related, that's userspace | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | the kernel never held a list | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | the driver on read needs to know a CHS addr is actually bad and needs redirection to a spare block | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | No it doesn't | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | The filesystem doesn't allocate those blocks. | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah it reads a crippled bad blocj mark inside the bad block iirc | 14:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or rather - they are allocated to a bad-blocks 'file' | 14:17 |
| SpeedEvil | The MFM hardware would just return 'CRC error' | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even that | 14:17 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - possibly not - memory is a bit fuzzy | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | a bad block might hold perfectly valid data that just can't get rewritten | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hw can't detect that on read | 14:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Data could 'always' be rewritten on MFM | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Or you'd get a sector not found error | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, funny topic but RL shouting at me | 14:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Totally, utterly useless knowledge now. | 14:19 |
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| trx | where should i put my app's config file? is there a common place? | 14:19 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if the MFM drive he has still works. | 14:19 | |
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| reeniginEesreveR | how do i get into insert mode in vim on maemo? | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | trx: ~/.appname/config has been used in the past | 14:20 |
| trx | SpeedEvil ok, ty | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | trx, which lang? | 14:20 |
| trx | config file lang? | 14:21 |
| trx | i was thinking .ini | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | no, programming lang :P | 14:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | trx: most apps use ~/.config/appname/ | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | Qt does it nicely | 14:21 |
| reeniginEesreveR | or what is the acceptable good editor on n900? | 14:21 |
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| trx | MohammadAG object pascal | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | ~/.config/Organization/Appname | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | that's how Qt does it | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900:/home/user# find . -name ".*" -type d -maxdepth 1|wc | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | 115 115 1475 | 14:22 |
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| MohammadAG | and I like tit tbh, makes multiple apps by the same author easy to find | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | it* .... | 14:22 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's quite cool. | 14:22 |
| trx | reeniginEesreveR http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68582 <- :) | 14:22 |
| trx | MohammadAG i use gtk for now, but my ide allows me to switch to qt with a simple button click | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG | hmm o_O | 14:23 |
| trx | there are qt functions for storing settings? | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG | QSettings | 14:23 |
| trx | didnt knew that | 14:24 |
| alterego | Which is also nice. | 14:24 |
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| MohammadAG | indeed | 14:24 |
| * alterego likes QSettings(), it works good if you set your QApplication orgname and appname etc. | 14:24 | |
| MohammadAG | I use that too :P | 14:24 |
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| MohammadAG | though i recall someone/where it says you should use an instance of it | 14:25 |
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| MohammadAG | oh well | 14:25 |
| smooph | Hey guys is there a step by step instruction set to transcode a moviefile with avidemux to have it play in the standard mediaplayer on the n900 | 14:26 |
| alterego | You do use an instance of it .. | 14:26 |
| smooph | Nothing so far worked for me | 14:26 |
| alterego | QSettings().value("blah) ... | 14:26 |
| alterego | You shouldn't use it in shared libraries unless you know what you're doing though .. | 14:26 |
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| frals | what kind of moviefile is that, my n900 is happy to play what i throw on it usually | 14:30 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20110119-122901.png | 14:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | frals: even HQ? | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aka HD I guess | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't work for me | 14:32 |
| frals | never tried 720p or something like that tbh -- it seems a bit silly on a tiny screen like the n900 :) | 14:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | heh | 14:33 |
| * alterego tests to see if QDesktopServices can start modest with mailto: urls. | 14:33 | |
| Venemo_N900 | personal dataplan monitor is buggy | 14:33 |
| alterego | Holy cow it worked :) | 14:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | it probably contains an integer overflow | 14:33 |
| * alterego deletes all his maemo specific dbus stuff :D | 14:34 | |
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| alterego | Hopefully that'll make things a bit more portablt. | 14:36 |
| alterego | ~portable .. | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | frals: that's why OP asked how to transcode | 14:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: good news: I received an email saying that my laptop is repaired | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: don't call infobot names | 14:37 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 14:37 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: :) | 14:37 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: \o/ :D | 14:37 |
| alterego | Does this mean you can start hacking again? :P | 14:38 |
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| mikki-kun | Venemo_N900: how long did it take and what was broken? :) | 14:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: I'll get it tomorrow after my last exam | 14:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: yes! | 14:38 |
| alterego | You don't seem to have been doing much recently. | 14:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: that's because my only computing device was an N900 for about 2 weeks, and I had exams? | 14:38 |
| alterego | Oh, :) understandable then | 14:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: the machine randomly froze 1-2 times per day | 14:39 |
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| mikki-kun | you were running windows on it? | 14:39 |
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| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: the issue appeared on windows and linux too, so not sw related | 14:40 |
| smooph | frals: thats the point i need to shrink the file to let it play on the n900 but the mediaplayer only says codec not supported | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | i'm amused by the N900's battery life without IM | 14:40 |
| mikki-kun | with linux you might have been able to scavange the logs :) | 14:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG :) | 14:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: no logs, nothing in dmesg, nothing relevant at all | 14:40 |
| mikki-kun | so did they tell you what was broken? | 14:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: not yet, but they probably will if I go and get it | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | then go and get it :P | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | smooph: there are also additional codecs for the media player that play some more stuff | 14:41 |
| smooph | can somebody help me with my transcoding problem I already tried it like in the wiki | 14:41 |
| BCMM | smooph: have you checked to see if mediaplayer is saying that for everything? | 14:42 |
| smooph | SpeedEvil: i have extra codecs installed | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | smooph: sorry - never actually transcoded | 14:42 |
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| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, did you see the Qt bug report | 14:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: that would probably ruin my exam tomorrow. so I'll wait until I'm done | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | (well - that's a lie - but I used mpeg1) | 14:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: your comment about changing the style? | 14:42 |
| BCMM | smooph: sometimes the DSP gets in a funny state after trying to play some files, and you basically need to reboot - test it by playing a video you know works | 14:42 |
| smooph | BCMM: please elaborate what you mean | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, yes, setting style manually fixes the bug | 14:42 |
| smooph | ohh the others work | 14:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: even qmaemo5style. | 14:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ?? | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | didn't know that existed | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 14:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: that's the default maemo 5 style | 14:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: the machine just became nonresponsive, and the sound card continuously played the last 1 sec of sound. | 14:44 |
| smooph | I am trieing to transcode a 720p to play on my n900 and i would like to use avidemux but if somebody has anything else that works i am happy too | 14:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | smooph: there is some encoder included with mplayer, but I've never tried it, sorry | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, sure it's called qmaemo5style? | 14:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: QMaemo5Style | 14:45 |
| smooph | Venemo_N900: that doesn't really help because I don't understand all the differences between the codecs ... avidemux has pre configured settings for playstation portable and it would be perfect to have them for the n900 as well | 14:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | smooph: mhm | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | -style QMaemo5Style brings up the default style | 14:47 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: because that is the default maemo 5 style | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | by default i meant the gtk style | 14:48 |
| smooph | yes there is some stuff written on http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding#Avidemux but its not detailed enough for me ... at least it doesn't work | 14:48 |
| Sicelo | smooph, what about http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/tablet-encode/ | 14:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: hm? | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, that's not the style name | 14:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: maybe I mistyped, moment | 14:50 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: did you like my new About dialog? :D | 14:54 |
| alterego | Got a working donate and "Help" button now | 14:54 |
| alterego | help loads up the documentation which I've not wrote yet. | 14:54 |
| alterego | And donate takes you to a paypal donation page. | 14:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/4.7-fremantle/src/gui/styles/qmaemo5style.h | 14:56 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: Click on the email, it loads modest and auto fills to and subject | 14:56 |
| alterego | And click on the website label and it loads up the website. | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, set it to my paypal for testing purposes | 14:56 |
| alterego | And the code should be almost identical on MeeGo & Desktop | 14:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: btw, why is it that h-e-n only mounts one partition? | 14:57 |
| alterego | And hopefully Symbian, but who knows .. | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | mount button is retarded :P | 14:57 |
| smooph | Sicelo: that looks very promesing thanks a lot | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | known bug | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | mount shall be handled by either hal or a udev rule | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, screenshot :p | 14:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: it mounted my ntfs partition but not the lvm | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | a mount button is so... yuck | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | lvm? | 14:58 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20110119-122901.png | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf lvm? | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | how could you mount logical volume manager | 14:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw lvm is for sissies :-D | 14:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (or raids and gorgeous partitions spreading several physical drives) | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, -style qmaemo5style doesn't work | 15:00 |
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| MohammadAG | brings up the non themed style | 15:00 |
| Sicelo | smooph, thank the community, and Jaffa :) | 15:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: -style maemo5 ? | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG | segfault | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, neat | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, link Tom Swindell to facebook | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | muhahahaha | 15:03 |
| alterego | Pfft, neah. | 15:04 |
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| Jaffa | Sicelo: What've I done now? :-) | 15:07 |
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| Sicelo | my bad... i was just referring to the fact that smooph has to be grateful to you for Tablet Encode on maemo.org | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, | 15:09 |
| alterego | Yes? | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | I'm assuming when you rotate the buttons are on top of each other? | 15:10 |
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| alterego | In my about dialog? | 15:10 |
| alterego | Now, they fit fine side-by-side | 15:10 |
| alterego | s/Now/No/ | 15:10 |
| infobot | alterego meant: No, they fit fine side-by-side | 15:10 |
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| Jaffa | Sicelo: Oh, cool :-) Praise. I like that :-) | 15:25 |
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| Sicelo | Jaffa, :P | 15:41 |
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| * alterego is churning through these feature enhancements .. | 15:53 | |
| alterego | Think I'll aim for a 0.9.3 release this weekend, or maybe tomorrow. | 15:53 |
| jonwil | release of what? | 15:54 |
| alterego | Mine app | 15:54 |
| jonwil | ok | 15:54 |
| alterego | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html | 15:54 |
| alterego | I should alias that to an irssi command or something ^.^ | 15:55 |
| frals | alterego: if you feel you dont have enough to do feel free to go through fmms bugs on bugs.maemo.org and close all invalid ones for me ;-) | 15:55 |
| alterego | Hah | 15:55 |
| alterego | I've got plenty to do tbh | 15:55 |
| jonwil | I on the other hand have nothing to do, mostly because all my ideas seem to be going nowhere for the moment. | 15:56 |
| alterego | Too much, I'm spending time on Columbus at the moment because I've penned it into my schedule, but other than that I have MeeGo work and other stuff that I need to do :P | 15:56 |
| alterego | Got quite a full life at the moment, shame nothing paid :D | 15:56 |
| jonwil | my last paid gig wound up last week, now I need to find something new. | 15:57 |
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| alterego | jonwil: exactly, I'm waiting for a contract to start, my handler is on Holiday for another week. | 15:57 |
| Khertan1 | (13:21:35) reeniginEesreveR: or what is the acceptable good editor on n900? <<< KhtEditor : http://khertan.net/KhtEditor | 15:57 |
| alterego | So I'm kind of twidling my fingers. | 15:57 |
| jonwil | Unfortunatly no-one around here is looking for Maemo developers : | 15:57 |
| jonwil | :P | 15:57 |
| alterego | jonwil: where are you?# | 15:58 |
| jonwil | Australia | 15:58 |
| Khertan1 | alterego: Colombus ? what is it ? | 15:58 |
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| alterego | Khertan1: it's a GPS app which tries to be like a handheld GPS receiver. | 15:58 |
| alterego | A pretty Garmin like thing. | 15:58 |
| jonwil | Most of the work going around here is database-driven apps in .NET or J2EE | 15:58 |
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| Khertan1 | jonwil: here it s worse ... | 15:59 |
| Khertan1 | jonwil: i'm looking for a new job :) | 15:59 |
| alterego | Khertan1: has also some good streaming and logging capabilities, so you can use it to turn your N900 into a bluetooth GPS mouse, or USB GPS mouse, or even stream the NMEA data over a TCP/IP network. | 15:59 |
| Khertan1 | alterego: hum ... interesting ... | 15:59 |
| Khertan1 | alterego: remember me, what is the precision of the gps ? | 16:00 |
| alterego | Khertan1: varies on signal, can be a couple of meteres. | 16:00 |
| * Khertan1 still dream on how to do a n900 irl light saber with colision detection :) | 16:00 | |
| alterego | Heh | 16:00 |
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| alterego | You could do that with the accel :P | 16:01 |
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| Khertan1 | yeah but how to calc the position of the two n900 to determine if one virtual saber touch the other ? | 16:02 |
| jonwil | All of my n900 ideas seem to be going nowhere and I cant think of anything else worth writing for the thing that hasn't already been done :P | 16:02 |
| Khertan1 | using only accellerometers will be difficult | 16:02 |
| alterego | Hrm, ask lcuk about inverse AR :D | 16:02 |
| alterego | Or just normal AR | 16:02 |
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| alterego | jonwil: write a Conboy in Qt for me :) | 16:03 |
| lcuk | Khertan1, hes right in a way - holding up 2 n900s screen to screen can detect themselves | 16:03 |
| * lcuk was gonna write a high5 app | 16:03 | |
| alterego | w00t, my v1.0 roadmap todo list is now viewable without scrolling :) | 16:03 |
| alterego | Might need to add some more things to do :D | 16:03 |
| lcuk | todo: add scrolling | 16:04 |
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| alterego | Heh | 16:04 |
| lcuk | can't see the rest until that first item is done ;) | 16:04 |
| alterego | I mean it's shrunk enough to be completely displayable in conboy fullscreen :D | 16:04 |
| alterego | Conboy is awesome. | 16:05 |
| lcuk | i keep folding up todos | 16:05 |
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| alterego | I should really look in to integrating it with tomboy on my desktop | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: A todo list with a fractal dimension? | 16:05 |
| lcuk | improved liqbase app startup time to be quicker than the button fadeout on meego | 16:05 |
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| alterego | lcuk: nice :) | 16:05 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, yes | 16:05 |
| jonwil | my efforts to reverse engineer the n900 telephony stack have also failed | 16:06 |
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| lcuk | alterego, only because it was a bug where it opened/delay 500ms/closed/opened again ;) | 16:06 |
| edheldil | jonwil: I have an idea, but not a free time. Dice roller, but one where you would shake the n900 to roll the dice ;-P | 16:06 |
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| alterego | lcuk: now you just need to get it to open before the button is pressed :P | 16:07 |
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| dotblank | aww yea | 16:07 |
| edheldil | ... in 3D, with collision detection, of course :) | 16:07 |
| dotblank | http://blog.rburchell.com/2011/01/qt-users-of-qmake-rejoice.html | 16:07 |
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| Khertan1 | (15:05:15) alterego: Conboy is awesome. <<< but lack undo feature | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | alterego, meh | 16:09 |
| Khertan1 | (15:05:35) alterego: I should really look in to integrating it with tomboy on my desktop <<< if you use tomboy on a desktop pc ... you can use the ubuntu one sync server :) | 16:09 |
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| lcuk | edheldil, the n810 version of liqbase had a lovely colliding sketch gallery | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping | 16:09 |
| lcuk | it would auto size and let you bounce around ideas simply :) | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, we/I 're/'m having issues with repository.maemo.org, mind popping into the ssu chan? | 16:10 |
| alterego | Khertan1: does conboy use ubuntu one? | 16:10 |
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| Khertan1 | alterego and if by desktop you mean hildon home desktop : http://khertan.net/articles/maemo/conboy_note_to_text | 16:11 |
| alterego | Khertan1: What I'd also like is the ability to select certain pages as being "public" and have it upload the content to a webpage or something. | 16:11 |
| Khertan1 | (15:10:43) alterego: Khertan1: does conboy use ubuntu one? <<< it can | 16:11 |
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| Khertan1 | (15:11:15) alterego: Khertan1: What I'd also like is the ability to select certain pages as being "public" and have it upload the content to a webpage or something. <<< i use also a python script to update thing to dokuwiki :) | 16:11 |
| alterego | I like your drop reflection effect :) What did you use imagemagick? | 16:11 |
| alterego | Awesome. | 16:11 |
| Khertan1 | alterego the reflection is done by your browser | 16:12 |
| alterego | Oh realy, wow. | 16:12 |
| alterego | What's the compatibility like? | 16:12 |
| Khertan1 | http://khertan.net/dokureflection | 16:12 |
| alterego | That's really cool stuff. | 16:13 |
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| Khertan1 | original code is available here http://cow.neondragon.net/stuff/reflection/ | 16:14 |
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| Khertan1 | It works in all the major browsers - Internet Explorer 5.5+, Mozilla Firefox 1.5+, Safari, Google Chrome and Opera 9+. On older browsers, it'll degrade and your visitors won't notice a thing. Best of all, it's under 5KB. | 16:15 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's really good. | 16:15 |
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| Khertan1 | alterego: as you maybe have notice it, my web site is a dokuwiki :) | 16:16 |
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| alterego | Yeah | 16:16 |
| Khertan1 | http://khertan.net/khweeteur/bugs <<< ouch there is many new thing reported by the automatic bug report | 16:18 |
| alterego | You have a bug reporting facility in your app? | 16:19 |
| alterego | That's neat, I was thinking of doing something similar in Columbus today. | 16:19 |
| Khertan1 | yep just need to click :) | 16:19 |
| alterego | Not sure how I can debug segfaults remotely though ;) | 16:19 |
| Khertan1 | yeah ... it s more difficult with compiled language | 16:19 |
| alterego | Presumably a crash reporting dialog thing? | 16:19 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 16:19 |
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| Khertan1 | alterego: as it s coded in python i already catch the exeption at high level | 16:20 |
| lcuk | (on error resume next) | 16:20 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 16:20 |
| Khertan1 | write them in a file, show a dialog which present the information and ask if you want to report it | 16:20 |
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| Khertan1 | and the report is sent via http | 16:22 |
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| Khertan1 | there is a risk to be spammed ... but hum ... i didn't care :) | 16:22 |
| Khertan1 | i just delete them in case :) | 16:22 |
| Khertan1 | and for the moment didn't got any | 16:22 |
| Khertan1 | and as it s my own bug tracker ... i know where to write things :) | 16:23 |
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| Khertan1 | http://khertan.net/dokumicrobugtracker | 16:23 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 16:23 |
| Khertan1 | lcuk: this is the most bad things to do | 16:23 |
| Khertan1 | lcuk: this is like closing eye when you see the wall near instead of turning | 16:24 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 16:24 |
| Khertan1 | ~ping | 16:25 |
| infobot | ~pong | 16:25 |
| lcuk | Khertan1, i know this, you know this. did not stop it from being a comomn design pattern though! | 16:25 |
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| Khertan1 | lcuk: indeed :) this is like singleton which is just a fancy global :) | 16:27 |
| Khertan1 | but in some case a necessary bad thing | 16:27 |
| Khertan1 | http://khertan.net/articles/gobject_idle_add_singleton <- :) | 16:28 |
| * MohammadAG sighs at Qt bug | 16:28 | |
| Khertan1 | Qt bug ? there isn't :) | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | I forgot I had the phone app open, and spent 15 mins debugging | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-16323 | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | it's a bug in QMaemo5Style | 16:29 |
| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: i like this one : http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15140 | 16:30 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 16:30 |
| alterego | Cool, another enhancement done. (Remember zoom and position from last run) | 16:31 |
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| Khertan1 | this smell copy paste and forgot to modify one thing after :) | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan1, at least you found the reason for your bug | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | somehow, I feel I have to force rotation with a script then run any Qt app | 16:32 |
| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: indeed but it doesn't give motivation to report things : still Resolution:Unresolved | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | and this won't be fixed | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan1, mine says more info needed | 16:32 |
| Khertan1 | what s your problem ? | 16:33 |
| Khertan1 | there is the bug report | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | it applies to your app :) | 16:33 |
| Khertan1 | lol | 16:33 |
| Khertan1 | will read it :) | 16:33 |
| Khertan1 | to my app ? | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | sleep 5; kthweeteur | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | in 5 seconds, start a portrait app, e.g phone | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | rotate | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | watch your app segfault | 16:33 |
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| MohammadAG | this blocks a portrait hildon-desktop, or a portrait control panel | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | control panel applet* | 16:34 |
| Khertan1 | hum ... | 16:34 |
| Khertan1 | will try :) | 16:34 |
| Khertan1 | never notice it | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | it only happens with maemo5's style | 16:35 |
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| dotblank | AHAHA really glib? | 16:35 |
| dotblank | glibs are defined via comments in the code | 16:35 |
| dotblank | I mean gobjects | 16:35 |
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| dotblank | to make a member private you add /*< private >*/ | 16:35 |
| dotblank | in a struct | 16:36 |
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| alterego | Right, I should take a break. | 16:36 |
| alterego | Or something. | 16:36 |
| Khertan1 | hum ... sniff usb network didn't work anymore | 16:36 |
| Khertan1 | :( | 16:36 |
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| Tsuyo | Hey, if i use gst_init(0,0,); in my app, i get this error "Could not initialize GStreamer: Error re-scanning registry , child terminated by signal" and my app crashes. Does someone have an idea? | 16:37 |
| Tsuyo | I'm using QtCreator | 16:37 |
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| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: Segmentation fault | 16:41 |
| Khertan1 | oh ... | 16:41 |
| Khertan1 | never never notice it ! | 16:41 |
| Khertan1 | thx for the information | 16:41 |
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| MohammadAG | :) | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | it's quite annoying really | 16:42 |
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| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: you cannot vote on resolved issue | 16:42 |
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| Khertan1 | huhu | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 16:42 |
| Khertan1 | did i should report a bug against the bug tracker | 16:42 |
| Khertan1 | ? | 16:42 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 16:42 |
| Khertan1 | maybe it s not a bug but a feature | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | it's already reported | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | and no, that's a bug in my book | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | what if I want portrait controlpanel applets? | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | the reason I'm rewriting controlpanel applets is for them to start in portrait | 16:43 |
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| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: so using an other style works ? | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | -style cleanlooks | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | or any style other than qmaemo5 | 16:46 |
| alterego | It'd be nice if Qt Creator had a "stub out class" tool | 16:46 |
| alterego | I'm getting really bored of typing out all the function definitions. | 16:47 |
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| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: funny to see that it s didn't come from autorotation as it s work with cleanlooks | 16:47 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah, any other style works | 16:48 |
| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: does style are something hard coded ? | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's 2000 lines of code, I'm not reading it :P | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/4.7-fremantle/src/gui/styles/qmaemo5style.cpp | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | given that, it's probably a lot of hardocded stuff | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, conflicting stuff in here, was hermes using proper apis to extract facebook contact info? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1348178/Facebook-suspends-developer-access-users-phone-numbers-addresses.html?ito=feeds-newsxml | 17:02 |
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| eichi | hello. i imported a vertificate for my university hotspot with 802.1x, but at the wifi login, i cant choose the certificate. i can only select "none" | 17:06 |
| eichi | someone has an idea? n900, maemo5 | 17:06 |
| ptl | Hi | 17:06 |
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| ptl | my n900 is broken but I still have an old backup of my contacts. Is there any way to import this contacts backup into my android phone, or my laptop for that matter? | 17:07 |
| ptl | it's in the .osso-addressbook and other files/dir format | 17:07 |
| ptl | :( | 17:07 |
| ptl | and scratchbox does not seem to have the backup/restore app | 17:07 |
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| alterego | Okay, done 5 items on my todo list, and added one. | 17:22 |
| alterego | So I'm 4 up :) | 17:22 |
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| smooph | Jaffa: Hi hear you created the nice script to transcode for the n900 ... is there a way to choose a audiotrack? right now it uses the first one which is german but I would prefer the englisch one? | 17:26 |
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| lardman | alterego: same here, but it's taken me the best part of 2 hours :( | 17:35 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:35 |
| alterego | Well, I've probably put about 2-3 hours in aswell today. | 17:35 |
| lardman | annoying how much time is wasted doing silly little things like replying to emails | 17:36 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:36 |
| alterego | You bother replying? :D | 17:36 |
| lardman | normally it's the ringing round people to find out what's going on, then replying | 17:36 |
| lardman | alterego: part of the job unfortunately | 17:37 |
| lardman | :) | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | wonder if I should download the new MeeGo image | 17:37 |
| GAN900 | lardman, think of all the time you're saving on phonecalls and meetings. *g* | 17:37 |
| GAN900 | It's funny how email being easy to use actually bogs down communication. | 17:38 |
| lardman | yeah but I still have to go and talk to people so I can relay that info along | 17:38 |
| lardman | I should just turn my email client off and check twice a day | 17:38 |
| lardman | and probably not lurk on irtc either ;) | 17:38 |
| lardman | irc even | 17:38 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:38 |
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| * alterego contemplates a "What's New" reporting system for his app. | 17:43 | |
| MohammadAG | columbus is growing | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | could possibly get bigger than tweego :p | 17:47 |
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| Khertan1 | GAN900: and writing email is most of the time better, and some faster for explaining things than phone call between two non native english speaking people | 17:51 |
| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: didn't thing easy things to fix ... | 17:52 |
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| Khertan1 | s/thing/found | 17:53 |
| GAN900 | Khertan1, indeed, but people tend to clog up the tubes with irrelevant bs because it's so easy. | 17:53 |
| Jaffa | smooph: From a DVD or...? | 17:53 |
| GAN900 | Also: death to stream of conciousness email writers. | 17:53 |
| Jaffa | smooph: Basically: -m-aid -m127 will select audio ID 127. I've got a new version on my HD which I need to push which does the LANG-based audio selection on all DVD rips, not just the 'dvd://' format (which selects the longest track) | 17:54 |
| smooph | Jaffa: no not from a cd ... how do I give the parameter in your script ? ... and is there a way to chosse en|de instead of 1 and 2 | 17:56 |
| smooph | I saw that the script already states which lang tracks are available | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | smooph: `man mencoder'. `-m' passes a parameter straight through | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | smooph: You might be able to do "-malang -men" | 17:56 |
| smooph | [lavf] stream 0: video (h264), -vid 0 | 17:56 |
| smooph | [lavf] stream 1: audio (ac3), -aid 0, -alang ger | 17:56 |
| smooph | [lavf] stream 2: audio (ac3), -aid 1, -alang eng | 17:56 |
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| smooph | but how do I give the parameter in your script ... do I have to edit it or can I pass it through? | 17:57 |
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| smooph | Jaffa: sorry i am not familiar with perl and I have problems reading the code ... | 18:03 |
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| smooph | Jaffa: I got it thanks ... I simply copied your commandline output (which I hadn't seen *dohh*) and added "-alang eng" seems to work ... maybe you could incorperate that in your script ... I simply don't understand perl ... maybe its time to learn ;) | 18:18 |
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| Jaffa | smooph: The "-m" option to tablet-encode will pass the value of the "-m" through to mencoder. | 18:45 |
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| Jaffa | smooph: So, instead of c&p'ing the line, you could do: tablet-encode -m-alang -meng input.avi output.avi | 18:45 |
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| Khertan1 | re | 18:53 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 18:53 |
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| makulkar | i installed latest rootstrap, but how do i kn which week the build is from? | 18:56 |
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| Khertan1 | MohammadAG: ouch and this isn't when displaying a window ... happen at QApplication init | 18:58 |
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| smooph | Jaffa: ok now I understand ... | 18:58 |
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| MohammadAG | Khertan1, yes | 18:59 |
| smooph | still might be a nice addon to the script ... take care | 18:59 |
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| RST38h | Evening, ladies, gentlemen, and other life forms | 19:08 |
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| mikki-kun | RST38h: hey, zombies are either ladies or gentlemen as well! | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody help me out please - what's busybox analogon for bash ``read var'' ? | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp for ``read -t 30 var'' | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | or does ~messybox apply here? | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 19:13 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 19:13 |
| MrBawb | DocScrutinizer: busybox sh has read, and that read supports -t | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr, maybe I'm blind... | 19:20 |
| lcuk | mikki-kun, zombie dogs exist. | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks MrBawb | 19:21 |
| mikki-kun | lcuk: they are usually not in IRC :) | 19:21 |
| lcuk | mikki-kun, you don't /join enough channels then. | 19:21 |
| RST38h | int RenderSound(int Samples) | 19:21 |
| RST38h | no,not this one | 19:21 |
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| MrBawb | /mode +b raaa@innnnsssss | 19:21 |
| lcuk | RST38h, hm | 19:21 |
| RST38h | this one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42357 <facepalm> | 19:21 |
| mikki-kun | lcuk: i am studying biology and i can tell you, dogs can't possibly IRC =p | 19:22 |
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| mikki-kun | many people might behave like dogs though..^^ | 19:28 |
| luke-jr | derf: well I *am* right, so there! | 19:29 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ty | 19:29 |
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| jeward | My N900 is getting pretty battered and I'm wondering if it will last long enough for the successor. Does anyone know anything about such a product? | 19:35 |
| RST38h | jeward: and yes, you already asked. | 19:35 |
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| jeward | I asked in Meego. | 19:36 |
| RST38h | same thing | 19:36 |
| alterego | Your answer isn't going to be different here .. | 19:36 |
| lcuk | RST38h, what sound are you rendering? | 19:37 |
| jeward | I thought maybe there were different people on the two channels. :-) My bad. | 19:37 |
| RST38h | lcuk: something for a client | 19:37 |
| RST38h | jeward:no. | 19:37 |
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| thresh | hey | 19:55 |
| thresh | i'm trying to share some photos using 'sharing' | 19:55 |
| RST38h | ah, hello thresh | 19:55 |
| thresh | i failed to provide a proper password for my account, so now photo is stuck | 19:55 |
| thresh | says 'transfer error' in sharing applet in a drop-down menu | 19:56 |
| thresh | i cant find a way to cancel it, nor restart | 19:56 |
| thresh | and I have other photos waiting in queue, so nothing happens | 19:56 |
| thresh | any way to fix that? | 19:56 |
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| thresh | RST38h: hi, whatsup | 19:56 |
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| RST38h | thresh: not much, btw, has any got a decent, usable version of VLC on android? | 19:57 |
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| thresh | RST38h: no, not yet. guys are working on it still. | 19:57 |
| GAN900 | Anybody have project management software recommendations for distributed management of about a dozen projects over 3-4 people? | 19:58 |
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| MrBawb | GAN900: trac is popular | 19:59 |
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| GAN900 | MrBawb, ah, indeed. Didn't think about that. | 20:00 |
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| RST38h | thresh: lots of trouble there? | 20:02 |
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| thresh | RST38h: I don't know really. IIRC they don't have a hw, only worked with an emulator. | 20:10 |
| thresh | that should be fixed soonish, though | 20:10 |
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| RST38h | thresh: ah ok | 20:10 |
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| thresh | ok it looks like sharing to vkontakte is broken | 20:15 |
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| alterego | lame tmo auto capitalizes O_O | 20:43 |
| alterego | Should I say, auto de-capitalizes. | 20:43 |
| RST38h | Try 0_0 | 20:43 |
| RST38h | Or Cyrillic Os. | 20:44 |
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| MohammadAG | ~seen crashanddie | 20:47 |
| infobot | crashanddie <~crashandd@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 2h 54m 47s ago, saying: 'or we're not providing the position'. | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen crashanddie_ | 20:47 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ <~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 16h 44m 9s ago, saying: 'anyway, good night all'. | 20:47 |
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| vanadismobile | oh hai | 20:49 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, that can't be right. | 20:49 |
| vanadismobile | anyone knows how to import a *.p12 certificate into microb? | 20:50 |
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| alterego | Hrm, Nokia do usb 3g dongles. Groovy | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, I just send him an email, hope he's fine :/ | 20:51 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, indeed. | 20:51 |
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| alterego | :/ | 20:52 |
| alterego | Wow, the X5 looks really nasty. | 20:52 |
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| alterego | tbh, all the X5's look a bit odd. | 20:53 |
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| * alterego packages up a new version of columbus | 21:07 | |
| mikki-kun | nokai X5? | 21:10 |
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| alterego | mikki-kun: yeah, horrible looking thing. | 21:12 |
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| alterego | Compiling packages that rely on other new packages is a pain in the ass. | 21:22 |
| alterego | I'm going to have to wait and synchronise with 3 extras-devel package imports. | 21:22 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:34 |
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| * alterego hums inanely waiting for package import | 21:38 | |
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| makulkar | how to get source code of any module in scratchbox? | 21:46 |
| alterego | makulkar: can you give me an example of what you want? | 21:47 |
| alterego | I'm not sure what you mean. | 21:47 |
| makulkar | say i have qtmobility module built in, i need to get source of the binaries which is in SB | 21:48 |
| alterego | X-Fade: looks like there's a couple of packages stuck in the extras builder queue | 21:48 |
| makulkar | alterego, I think i have 1.1.0 qtmobility so i can extract the code from some place and build, but would be nice to get exact code of binaries in scratchbox | 21:48 |
| alterego | makulkar: apt-get source libqtm-* | 21:49 |
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| makulkar | alterego, E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/maemo.research.nokia.com_repository_harmattan_dists_default_unreleased_adobe_source_Sources | 21:50 |
| alterego | You're not going to get that are you .. | 21:51 |
| makulkar | alterego, looks like.. who wants adobe source! | 21:52 |
| alterego | It wont be there. | 21:53 |
| alterego | It'll be a binary blob | 21:53 |
| alterego | source doesn't necessarily mean source code in this case .. | 21:53 |
| alterego | It just means the source package. | 21:53 |
| alterego | Which may be a closed, proprietary, binary blog. | 21:54 |
| * alterego sighs, another 20 minutes. | 21:54 | |
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| makulkar | alterego, thanks. wget the code ;) | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen crashanddie_mbp | 22:11 |
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| infobot | crashanddie_mbp <n=slauwers@jof66-1-82-242-246-29.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 393d 17h 13m 57s ago, saying: 'and I'm utterly amazed at the complexity of the previous sentence after drinking so heavily and it being 4AM'. | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | cough | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I kinda hate those nick-hoppers | 22:11 |
| alterego | I hate waiting for package imports just to be able to build another one. | 22:12 |
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| alterego | ~2m now then I can upload the last. | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF - http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-01-13.log.html#t2011-01-13T07:44:26 | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually gone since 7 days | 22:13 |
| alterego | So it seems. | 22:14 |
| alterego | Doesn't look great :/ | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah :-/ | 22:14 |
| alterego | Does anyone know him personally? | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | qwerty12 :-D | 22:14 |
| alterego | Hah | 22:15 |
| alterego | Well, maybe emailing him .. | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | moh did | 22:15 |
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| alterego | I thought he emailed crashanddie, not qwerty | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | to tell him there's possibly reason to open the champagne? | 22:17 |
| alterego | Oh, you were joking about qwerty :P | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think they parted as friends, when qwerty12 ragequit | 22:18 |
| alterego | He's not tweeted since the 13th either. | 22:18 |
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| alterego | http://twitter.com/teotwaki | 22:18 |
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| alterego | Finally! /me uploads the last package. | 22:19 |
| GAN900 | Hopefully real life called in a good way. | 22:19 |
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| alterego | He probably got a girlfriend. | 22:20 |
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| * alterego holds breath | 22:23 | |
| alterego | This is the last package that needs building, then updates should start working for end-users | 22:23 |
| alterego | In about 20 minutes | 22:23 |
| alterego | (next package import cycle) -_- | 22:24 |
| alterego | Oh god .. | 22:25 |
| alterego | That was weird .. | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-01-12.log.html#t2011-01-12T17:36:24 I guess the men in black helicopters homed in on him | 22:25 |
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| alterego | Heh | 22:26 |
| alterego | Yay, it built :) | 22:26 |
| alterego | Though oddly. | 22:26 |
| fenrir | does androiid 2.2 work properly with maemo5 dualboot now on n900 now ? | 22:26 |
| lcuk | alterego, :) the package thing I have too | 22:26 |
| lcuk | I *believe* it got fixed | 22:26 |
| lcuk | and now dependencies are checked against the pending transfer to -devel queue | 22:27 |
| alterego | "[extras-builds] [fremantle]: columbus 0.9.3-1 UNKNOWN" | 22:27 |
| alterego | That's not the sort of shit I want in my inbox thanks. | 22:27 |
| lcuk | so that if you push in sequence, library, app" even immediately after each other | 22:27 |
| lcuk | the dependencies will be resolved | 22:27 |
| alterego | lcuk: so if I upload them all at the same time? | 22:27 |
| lcuk | ask X-Fade though | 22:27 |
| alterego | Okay, | 22:27 |
| lcuk | alterego, sequence with web site is all I do | 22:27 |
| alterego | I'll be sure to ask him next time. | 22:27 |
| alterego | I scp | 22:27 |
| lcuk | well technically that will still be sequential I would imagine? | 22:28 |
| alterego | Depends how long it takes. | 22:28 |
| alterego | There are at least 3 builders | 22:28 |
| alterego | 2 are blocked at the moment so yeah, should be sequenctial ^.^ | 22:28 |
| alterego | 15 minutes before I can test upgrading through extras-devel -_- | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess lcuk stabbed crashanddie, in an effort to disclose which apps introduced doom into extras | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 22:30 |
| lcuk | hmm? | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-01-12.log.html#t2011-01-12T17:36:24 | 22:31 |
| lcuk | when did doom get uploaded, I love that game :P | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ""famous last words"" | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hahahaha | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | good one | 22:31 |
| alterego | I've decided, for every release of Columbus that I announce, I'm going to put a different reason for people to donate for my work. | 22:31 |
| alterego | This week it's "Help me pay for my fsckin massive phone bill" | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | did it help? | 22:32 |
| alterego | Dunno, not posted the message yet :) | 22:32 |
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| alterego | As the update isn't in and I've not tested installing it yet ^.^ | 22:32 |
| alterego | About 10 more minutes though | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | with h-e-n we're at an amazing 35bucks, after 4 weeks | 22:33 |
| alterego | That is dyer :/ | 22:33 |
| alterego | You don't have an inbuilt donate button though do you? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the problem :-P | 22:33 |
| alterego | Also, it's not in extras (though either is Columbus) | 22:33 |
| alterego | I wonder what your user metrics are . | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) | 22:34 |
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| alterego | Usage statistics | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFC | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | it's in -devel | 22:34 |
| alterego | how many, where from, how often they update. | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | you can get statistics from devel | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | failed on that | 22:35 |
| alterego | where from in -devel is the only place then :) | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | the only question, you mean | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | total 57179 | 22:35 |
| alterego | I've already decided on the donate motiviational reason for my next release ^.^ | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | columbus 28285 o_O | 22:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | waaaah, substract 3 of them | 22:36 |
| alterego | Wow | 22:37 |
| alterego | Really? | 22:37 |
| alterego | Where did you get that info? | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | mediabar 15014 | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Or I will tell Monk to visit you | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | I think we have a lot of lurking users... | 22:37 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: link me bitch | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | you need to hack maemo.org's packages system, luckily, someone did it for you http://maemo.dadablog.net/AppStats.php | 22:37 |
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| MohammadAG | don't call me bitch bitch :p | 22:37 |
| alterego | I'm just saying how it is :P | 22:38 |
| alterego | Bitch :P | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o.O wonder what's the pkg name of h-e-n | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | hostmode-gui | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | didn't use h-e-n since it wouldn't return hits in apt-cache search | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | and nobody would search for h-e-n really :p | 22:40 |
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| alterego | I think as far as columbus is concerned 28,284 of them are the same guy reinstalling it to get it to work. | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | rootsh needs 4k more downloads | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | 496512 | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | half a mil. | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF happened in 2011? | 22:41 |
| RST38h | alter: that crash does not occur when moving btw | 22:41 |
| alterego | Loads of freebies | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevermind | 22:41 |
| alterego | RST38h: really? | 22:41 |
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| alterego | So only when stationary? | 22:41 |
| RST38h | alterego: yes,when changing orientation | 22:41 |
| alterego | Changing orientation without a lock? | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, we all died, this is afterlife | 22:42 |
| RST38h | with a lock | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | see? it's the same as the life before | 22:42 |
| alterego | Hrm, okay. | 22:42 |
| RST38h | alterego: also have some comments on the screenslayout | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, if everyone of those donated 1 buck | 22:42 |
| alterego | RST38h: go ahead :) | 22:42 |
| RST38h | alterego: basically, landscape-mode main screen is somewhat random | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that's not the proper way to do it | 22:43 |
| RST38h | alterego: you probably want to rethink what you show at the right side | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | we should sell next version in ovi, for .99 | 22:43 |
| RST38h | alterego:and show something moreimportant | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | if everyone of those donated 0.99c | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | yes, that's marketing, 0.99 < 1 | 22:43 |
| RST38h | alterego: I would say, SPEED, ALTITUDE, ACCELERATION | 22:43 |
| alterego | RST38h: mainview being what? | 22:43 |
| RST38h | first screen | 22:43 |
| RST38h | alterego: or SPEED, ALTITUDE, SATS | 22:43 |
| alterego | I guess that depends who you are | 22:43 |
| alterego | And speed is there | 22:43 |
| RST38h | alterego: yes, I know | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, now if this was the iPhone, you could see for 0.99, and we'll probably be around Bill Gates' income | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | sell* | 22:44 |
| alterego | I removed altitude becuase I didn't tnink it was that important. | 22:44 |
| RST38h | alterego: Just think of prioritizing this stuff (and I understand how difficult it is given that these graphs do not show in portrait) | 22:44 |
| RST38h | true | 22:44 |
| RST38h | altitude is probably not ofmuch use for most people | 22:44 |
| RST38h | Oh, one more thing | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | altitude is importrant | 22:44 |
| RST38h | One of the floating transparent buttons shows up at the middle of the screen at startup | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | I need to know which floor I'm on by subtracting current altitude from ground altitude | 22:45 |
| RST38h | Something related to window rotation when it is being opened | 22:45 |
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| RST38h | clicking the button returns it to the corner where it should be | 22:45 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: just look for an elevator, they have got numbering | 22:45 |
| alterego | RST38h: they do now :P | 22:46 |
| alterego | RST38h: yeah, known bug :) | 22:46 |
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| alterego | RST38h: just touching the screen fixes it actually, you don't need to press the button. | 22:46 |
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| alterego | Cool, got it to crash, now I can debug :D | 22:51 |
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| alterego | Shame I couldn't do this before this release :/ | 22:52 |
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| alterego | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=924140&postcount=218 | 22:54 |
| alterego | w00t | 22:54 |
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| alterego | RST38h: when you say the main view, do you mean the track log? | 22:58 |
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| alterego | Because altitude is reported on the first "Status View" screen .. | 22:58 |
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| beford | repos are really slow or it's just me? :) | 23:01 |
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| alterego | It's the millions of people downloading Columbus! :D | 23:04 |
| * alterego chuckles | 23:05 | |
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| alterego | wb crashanddie :) | 23:08 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, he's back | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: HEYA! | 23:13 |
| crashanddie | sup | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm glad to find you well and alive | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already suspected they homed in at you with their helicopters - well probably it was easier to use a car :-/ | 23:19 |
| mikki-kun | alterego: what is making columbus special and a must-have on my device? :) | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ([2011-01-19 21:25:38] <DocScrutinizer> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-01-12.log.html#t2011-01-12T17:36:24 I guess the men in black helicopters homed in on him) | 23:19 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: sorry, I'm keeping my bastard operator job in this channel for a while longer | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good | 23:27 |
| mikki-kun | is it so bad? | 23:27 |
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| * trumee N900 has the most SHITTY SIP voice quality ever. | 23:29 | |
| * trumee F*ck you Nokia for downgrading Sip from N95 | 23:30 | |
| * trumee and Collabora too! | 23:32 | |
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| * trumee feels lighter now | 23:32 | |
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| Tokz | hi guys | 23:38 |
| Tokz | is it posible to add folders from computer to the default media player UPnP thingy? | 23:38 |
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| yacc | Tokz, yeah, you need to use an upnp server on your computer. | 23:39 |
| Tokz | okay | 23:40 |
| Tokz | how does that work? | 23:40 |
| yacc | Tokz, Windows has it somehow builtin, but as a non-user I have no idea. | 23:40 |
| Tokz | alright | 23:40 |
| yacc | Tokz, for Linux you can install for example mediatomb. | 23:40 |
| Tokz | im using windows =( | 23:40 |
| yacc | Tokz, Windows => look at keywords like sharing or adding files to Windows Media Player. | 23:40 |
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| Tokz | so it works through windows media player? | 23:41 |
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| yacc | Tokz: Guess so, it's doable, my wife managed after fiddling with it for a couple of evenings, so you'll manage too :) | 23:42 |
| Tokz | :D | 23:42 |
| Tokz | hope so | 23:42 |
| yacc | Anyway, anyone got here an idea how to verify that packets are being marked correctly by iptables (--set-mark)? | 23:42 |
| Tokz | when i go to media player and choose one of those default UPnP folders it just keeps loading and loading | 23:43 |
| Tokz | nothing happens | 23:43 |
| yacc | Failing that, channel recommendations where this question would be on topic ;) | 23:43 |
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| eichi | does the mobile hotspot kernel change much on kernel and system? | 23:44 |
| eichi | dont want to break any other things | 23:45 |
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| BCMM | eichi: there is a mobile hotspot kernel? doesn't it just use kernel-power? | 23:45 |
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| RST38h | Ahaha, Nokia X10 has been leaked | 23:46 |
| RST38h | Guess what it is running, folks? =) | 23:46 |
| eichi | BCMM: dont know, maybe? | 23:46 |
| rm_work | Symbian 20? | 23:46 |
| RST38h | No, Symbian^3 | 23:46 |
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| RST38h | Why do you need Symbian 20 when Symbian^3 is such a perfect OS for everyone? | 23:47 |
| rm_work | ah... so... what is the value of symbian? like... 2.7? :P | 23:47 |
| BCMM | eichi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power - shouldn't break anything, just adds some features | 23:47 |
| rm_work | cause that's definitely how i define it | 23:47 |
| eichi | BCMM: does this one make problems? | 23:47 |
| BCMM | presumably, there will be a tiny amount of extra memory usage | 23:48 |
| eichi | BCMM: where can i see, which maemo5 version i have got? | 23:48 |
| BCMM | eichi: not really. it used to not support fcam drivers, but it's fixed | 23:48 |
| BCMM | eichi: in system settings, about device or something, but i can't remember how to interpret the version in terms of easy things like "pr1.3" | 23:49 |
| rm_work | Symbian = 2.7145 | 23:49 |
| rm_work | Symbian^3 = 20 :P | 23:50 |
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| eichi | 20.2010.36-2 should be latest, i think | 23:51 |
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| yacc | BCMM: Actually for me it broke some things, e.g. g_file_storage seems to be preloaded, and I need to manually unload it and load g_nokia or else the USB selection dialog does not pop up on connection, ... | 23:52 |
| BCMM | yacc: are those modules? | 23:52 |
| yacc | BCMM, yeah, I'm completely baffled by changing the kernel should change that userland behaviour, ... | 23:52 |
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| BCMM | yacc: and do you mean the "charging only/mass storage/pc suite" dialog? works fine here | 23:53 |
| yacc | RST38h, so MeeGo phones are still vapourware :( | 23:55 |
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| yacc | BCMM, yeah, I mean that dialog, and yes, I wonder why the kernel change should introduce userland behaviour changes :( | 23:55 |
| yacc | BCMM, another thing is that the down commands on usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces are not run reliably anymore :( | 23:56 |
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