IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-01-18

Venemo_N900nah. I'll need an usb-vga thingy and an usb kbd. then it'll feel like a full computer :P00:00
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Venemo_N900BCMM: that cable is 200km from me atm :(00:00
BCMMi've played Doom (prboom) on the n900 using a big TV and a USB keyboard :)00:01
Venemo_N900but then I'd still need an rca-to-vga thingy00:01
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BCMMneed to show that to proud console owners00:01
BCMMi can plug my phone into the TV and play the greatest FPS of all time00:02
MohammadAG* you might need a powered hub00:02
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MohammadAGask javispedro00:03
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: I was looking for one but didn't find00:03
Venemo_N900will try tomorrow00:03
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mikki-kunMohammadAG: on your MediaBar... is it normal the media-player buttons don't show?00:04
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: any way to watch the battery while bme is off?00:05
BCMMMohammadAG51: ghost yourself?00:05
MohammadAG51i did00:05
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BCMMhuh, nickserv is busy?00:05
BCMMor maybe just distracted00:06
MohammadAG51Venemo_N900, bq something script00:07
MohammadAG51need to ask DocScrutinizer about that00:07
MohammadAG51also, need to recode h-e-n00:07
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: you're asked.00:07
MohammadAG51too much duplicate code00:08
Venemo_N900MohammadAG51: maybe include the batterymeter update in the hen status applet00:08
MohammadAG51Venemo_N900, was thinking that00:08
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Venemo_N900good thinking00:08
MohammadAG51there's already a replacement battery applet00:08
MohammadAG51we just need to mod it00:08
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Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: oh. the led pattern is very irritating while watching a movie00:11
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Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: maybe a steady pink would be enough00:11
MohammadAG51which pattern?00:11
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Venemo_N900the one that shows up when hostmode is enabled00:12
MohammadAG51there are none00:12
MohammadAG51unless he added it00:12
MohammadAG51what colour?00:12
eichisome of the n900 stuff is only available, if i make an account on this ovi store ?00:12
Venemo_N900currently it is blinking red/pink00:12
Venemo_N900eichi: what are you referring to?00:12
MohammadAG51told you to use the old booston, it's not verbose :P00:12
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eichiVenemo_N900: what do you mean?00:13
Venemo_N900MohammadAG51: well sorry but I wouldn't betray Doc :P00:14
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Venemo_N900eichi: what is only available if you have an ovi account?00:14
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MohammadAG51grep for lp55* and replace the lines with the colour you want00:15
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* MohammadAG51 looks for drumkit00:15
MohammadAG51for rock band of course :P00:15
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Venemo_N900you like rock music?00:16
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eichiVenemo_N900: some of the free themes and games?00:17
eichifree, like freebeer00:17
MohammadAG51Venemo_N900, you'd be surprised what I like00:18
MohammadAG51you'd find me listening to metal, then switch to dance00:18
frikinzIf I want to have a graphical application that is a tcp/ip client; which language should I use to code this on an n800? I'd like to duplicate an app that exists on an iphone but is crap and prove that the wireless is not well handled in this app (sleep/wakeup/disconnection/god knows what)00:18
MohammadAG51Venemo_N900, rock band's fun, with friends mostly00:19
mikki-kunMohammadAG51: so you listen to mostly everything?00:20
Venemo_N900eichi: only the sh*t in ovi00:20
MohammadAG51except rap00:20
mikki-kunMohammadAG51: there is rap and then there is crap ;)00:20
Venemo_N900MohammadAG51: I also like metal00:21
MohammadAG51I mean, I don't mind dance/trance, but I prefer rock/metal00:21
MohammadAG51the old ones00:21
frikinzAny python app you know which I could take as example to code this tcp/ip client? I need like 4 buttons to send specific datas.00:21
Venemo_N900MohammadAG51: sometimes also lighter genres00:21
MohammadAG51Metallica's awesome00:21
Venemo_N900mikki-kun: :D00:21
MohammadAG51speaking of music00:21
eichiVenemo_N900: hm, okay00:21
MohammadAG51you asked about mediabar controls?00:21
MohammadAG51hold the mediaplayer icon00:21
mikki-kunMohammadAG51: i'll try :)00:22
MohammadAG51Nothing Else Matters would be my favorite song00:22
mikki-kuni held it wrong as it seems ^^00:22
MohammadAG51(live performace, studio recording one is too light)00:23
mikki-kuni like pretty many songs from metallica :)00:23
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MohammadAG51Fade to black would be second, master of puppets 3rd00:24
MohammadAG51So F***ing What is lulz00:24
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mikki-kunFade to black is really good imo :)00:25
MohammadAG51I like the part where they do the 3 note guitar thingy00:25
mikki-kuni like st anger as well00:25
MohammadAG51when it goes from high to low00:25
MohammadAG51Bullet for My Valentine's good00:26
MohammadAG51crashanddie hates them :P00:26
mikki-kunhow can he?!00:26
MohammadAG51or he was kidding00:26
MohammadAG51i had a bug in the mediaplayer00:26
MohammadAG51he was like, that's what you get for listening to BFMV00:27
MohammadAG51Linkin Park, they were good, old albums were fine00:27
mikki-kundo you count meteora to the old ones?00:27
MohammadAG51all except A Thousand Suns00:28
MohammadAG51i would retitle that as A Thousand Fans (lost)00:28
mikki-kunisn't that their newest creation?00:28
MohammadAG51yes, i hate autotune00:28
* MohammadAG51 wonders if anyone's a guitarist here00:29
MohammadAG51would love to see if anyone could play Afterlife's solo00:29
MohammadAG51(I know I can't!)00:29
mikki-kunMohammadAG51: i once thought about it but then i started with the n900 and got more into linux...00:30
MohammadAG51starting on PS3 drums, might upgrade to real life drums later00:30
mikki-kunand i am not sure if my fingers are up to it and also my computers for the audio...00:30
MohammadAG51tbh, I don't mind playing guitars on headphones00:31
MohammadAG51but i don't have a guitar :P00:31
MohammadAG51neither do I know how to play one, so :p00:31
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mikki-kunhm... i guess you were refering to quality headphones :)00:32
MohammadAG51I wouldn't mind stock N900 ones, if I had to :P00:33
mikki-kuni broke mine :)00:33
MohammadAG51me too00:33
mikki-kunusually it's the cable which breaks00:33
MohammadAG51my mic broke00:34
mikki-kunso i bought headphones where i can just switch the cable00:34
MohammadAG51not physically00:34
MohammadAG51it just doesn't pass sound anymore00:34
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mikki-kunnow i just have to order every now and then a new cable :)00:34
MohammadAG51though I miss the button for play/pause and mic for calls00:34
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mikki-kuni saw on youtube an awesome use for the n900 *searching*00:35
BCMMmikki-kun: it's always the plugs on my headphones00:35
pahartikVenemo_N900: According to service at "", "Bug 626514 has been added to the database"00:35
povbotBug was not found.00:35
BCMMor rather, the cable, where it leaves the plug00:36
MohammadAG51lost 3 till now00:36
mikki-kunBCMM: you would be amazed by how much the plug of the 3.5mm causes failures00:36
* MohammadAG51 wants telepathy notifications00:37
BCMMi'm so fed up of looking for a nice wired handsfree that i think i'm going to try and graft a microphone on to my broken (at the plug) nice earphones00:37
MohammadAG51for online-fline00:37
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BCMM("nice" is defined as clipping on to the ear rather than going inside the ear)00:37
MohammadAG51in-ear ftw00:37
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mikki-kunwell, i have now this pair of headphones :)
BCMMMohammadAG51: doctors suggested i stop using them...00:38
MohammadAG51any reason?00:38
MohammadAG51or is it personal?00:38
BCMMyeah, earwax built up until i went mostly deaf a few times00:38
BCMMso now i don't stick anything in my ear00:39
BCMMprobably TMI there00:39
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MohammadAG51only problems I have with in-ear is when changing altitude00:39
MohammadAG51pressure difference and such00:39
mikki-kuni don't like in-ears anymore somehow... so small...00:40
MohammadAG51i like the BH-905i00:40
Venemo_N900pahartik: thx00:40
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MohammadAG51but i don't like cottom/wool/anything that heats up covering my ears00:40
BCMMMohammadAG51: anyway, it feels stupid to take off headphones and put in a handsfree to make a call00:41
BCMMbut as far as i can tell you can't get clip-on handsfrees00:41
MohammadAG51I use the built in mic00:41
MohammadAG51mediabar needs a bed mode...00:41
mikki-kun <--- awesome idea :)00:41
BCMMi mean stuff vaguely like
mikki-kunbed mode00:42
MohammadAG51when you're in bed00:42
mikki-kunBCMM i hate those (wearing glasses while having them on really hurts after some time)00:42
MohammadAG51the proximity will be covered by the sensor00:42
BCMManyone got any ideas for how to do the junction between several wires if i try and graft a microphone + new cable on to my broken earphones? do you think you can buy tiny junction boxes?00:43
MohammadAG51and if I flip to the other side, phone goes to portrait00:43
BCMMmikki-kun: i wear mine with sunglasses and a cycle helmet, and, surprisingly, it works00:43
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MohammadAG51mikki-kun, jon was awesome00:43
MohammadAG51sadly he left that channel, and it went downhill00:43
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mikki-kuni had those kind of earphones in the past.. i really was having problems after some time due to sore ears :(00:44
mikki-kunMohammadAG51: i just saw this recently... and just two minutes ago a video where he explained why he left :/00:44
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jonwilhmmm, now I gotta figure out the architecture for the CBSMS support. I plan to take the gisi code from ofono and use it in a stand-alone library (which looks possible)00:47
jonwiland I can write something similar to the isi-modem cbs.c file to do the actual CBSMS00:48
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jonwilI think what I need is a libcsd-xxx type plugin for CBSMS but I dont think anyone outside of Nokia knows how to write one00:49
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jonwilTime to reverse engineer this stuff :)00:51
mikki-kunjonwil: gl hf :)00:52
jonwilreverse engineering IS fun00:52
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BCMMis there anything special about n900 handsfrees, or can they just be an ordinary mic and headphone wired to the same four-conductor plug?00:54
MohammadAG51gas-balls crashed00:58
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ArGGu^^I have a class that has method that check when MafwRenderer is added that it is Mafw-Gst-Renderer01:01
ArGGu^^add if it is it calls mafw_renderer_get_status01:01
ArGGu^^but that allways returns 2020672 state01:02
wmaroneHAM is completely borked01:02
MohammadAG51yet another mediaplayer widget?01:03
ArGGu^^no just now playing feature to my irc client01:03
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mikki-kunwmarone: tell us something new :)01:04
ArGGu^^if connect the state-changed it works when the state changed01:04
ArGGu^^but I can not get the current state when I start my irc client :S01:04
MohammadAG51ArGGu^^, if you find an answer to that, let me know01:04
MohammadAG51I need it too01:04
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ArGGu^^it just returns 2020672 :S01:05
MohammadAG51media-player-widget does it01:05
ArGGu^^Add that is not in the enum :S01:05
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jacekowskijonwil: if you really want do it i can reverse it for you01:05
jonwilreverfse engineer what? The csd plugin interface?01:06
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jonwilSeems to be somehow tied to dbus01:06
MohammadAG51csd sends messages on system bus01:06
MohammadAG51ArGGu^^, media-player-widget is open FYI01:07
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG51 url to the source?01:08
MohammadAG51apt-get source it01:08
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ArGGu^^Unable to find a source package for media-player-widget :S01:09
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ArGGu^^hmm maybe I don't have the src on my sources.list01:10
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MohammadAG51see link above01:10
jonwilso I think we need libgisi (isi code from ofono ported to fremantle), as CSD plugin followed by something that talks to CSD and csd-cbs to actually do some output.01:11
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BCMMdoes the n900 support wired hands-frees with an answer button?01:19
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SpeedEvilthe included headset01:19
BCMMoops, didn't look too hard at that because it was uncomfortable01:20
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BCMMdo you know if it would support 2.5mm stuff (like for the 3410), with a simple 2.5mm->3.5mm adaptor? has the signal used by the answer button changed since then?01:21
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MohammadAG51most probably yes01:22
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amtiHey, just a quick question: is it possible somehow to change default font size on maemo so people with eye-disorientation could use the device more easily without glasses?01:23
BCMMsplendid! my nice broken earphones and nasty broken hands-free will become a working hands-free with nice earphones!01:23
BCMMthat, or i'll set fire to the whole thing because it's tiny and i haven't soldered in ages01:25
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG51 got it to work01:25
GAN900amti, yes, likely to break things if taken very far.01:25
ArGGu^^Had to add parameters01:26
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MohammadAG51ArGGu^^, hm, how?01:26
ArGGu^^it send more parameters with mafw_renderer_get_status than the signlan state-changed01:26
amtiGAN900, but maybe a little bit? symbian phones have some settings that you normally can tweak for that.01:26
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ArGGu^^so it the odd number was playlist01:27
ArGGu^^need to to functions :S01:27
ArGGu^^one for signal and one for the mafw_renderer_get_status01:27
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GAN900amti, GTK theming01:28
MohammadAG51so get-status returns status-changed?01:28
GAN900amti, not a GUI setting.01:28
GAN900Didn't somebody put one in Extras? I know there were a few for Maemo 1-4.01:28
mikki-kunGAN900: isn't there themecustomizer for that?01:28
ArGGu^^MohammadAG51 no01:28
ArGGu^^status-change is signal01:29
mikki-kunto make fonts bigger01:29
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MohammadAG51so again01:29
MohammadAG51get-status sends that signal?01:29
ArGGu^^mafw_renderer_get_status does not emit the signal01:29
mikki-kunamti: maybe try the package called "theme-customizer" (something like that) it should allow you to get bigger fonts :)01:30
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ArGGu^^it needs a callback function01:30
ArGGu^^and it send more parameters than the signal01:30
ArGGu^^so you need two functions01:30
ArGGu^^one to handle the signal and one for mafw_renderer_get_status01:30
ArGGu^^MohammadAG51 do you understand what I'm saying? :S01:31
MohammadAG51yes, basically, duplicate code01:31
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MohammadAG51i'd expect get_status to send the same signals01:32
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jonwiljacekowski: What exactly is it you said you could reverse engineer? Interface for csd plugins? csd_xxx functions exported from the csd daemon binary?01:36
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG51 no need for duplicate code01:39
ArGGu^^just call from another function the another function01:39
ArGGu^^I use withe the get_status onRendererAdded01:40
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ArGGu^^and with signal checkRendererStatus01:40
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ArGGu^^so I just call the checkRendererStatus from onRendererAdded01:40
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ArGGu^^Have you tried Nokia Qt SDK. It is nice01:42
ArGGu^^no need for scratchbox01:42
ArGGu^^just need to connect n900 with mad developer to pc01:43
mikki-kunhm, what is the difference between scratchbox and nokia qt sdk?01:43
MohammadAG51I use it for developing the app01:43
* alterego adds terrain mesh loading to his gayme engine01:43
MohammadAG51but still use scratchbox for packaging01:43
MohammadAG51The Qt SDK makes things piss easy01:44
alteregoI may write a game in it though ^.^01:44
ArGGu^^mikki-kun nokia qt sdk uses the n900 for compile01:44
* MohammadAG51 asks what mesh means01:44
MohammadAG51err, what?01:44
alteregoArGGu^^: it uses madde to compile01:44
ArGGu^^and it run automatically the application on n90001:44
MohammadAG51it uses a sysroot on your pc01:44
alteregoArGGu^^: N900 is just the runtime ..01:44
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ArGGu^^hmm so it only with symbian like that?01:44
MohammadAG51basically, it's a glorified scp binary n900, ssh run01:44
mikki-kunahhhh... *floodwarning* *floodwarning* too much information01:44
alteregoArGGu^^: No, symbian has a cross-compilation toolchain too.01:45
MohammadAG51symbian has no on-device compiler01:45
alteregoMohammadAG51: that's not entirely true, there is OPL01:45
MohammadAG51alterego, OPL?01:45
alteregoAnd Python, if you're going to be really anal :P01:45
ArGGu^^but it need the armel architecture :S01:45
ArGGu^^for n90001:45
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MohammadAG51cross compiler01:45
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MohammadAG51it compiles armel binaries on your PC01:46
mikki-kunMohammadAG51: maybe "X-Compiler" would be more helpful to read :)01:46
MohammadAG51it's an advanced scratchbox01:46
MohammadAG51or more retarded, depending on how you look @ it01:46
mikki-kunso if i might want to do anything for the n900 Nokia QT SDK might be the better tool?01:46
alteregomikki-kun: no, not anything.01:46
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alteregomikki-kun: but it's damn good for a lot of things ;)01:47
MohammadAG51and debugging01:47
MohammadAG51debugging is epic in it01:47
alteregoNokia Qt SDK is a convenient way of installing Qt Creator and madde.01:47
MohammadAG51makes you wanna add bugs to try it01:47
alteregoBut you don't have to code in Qt, you can use madde and develop in C, or C++ and not even link with Qt01:47
MohammadAG51true, but it's a bit annoying then01:48
alteregoNot really, a lot of things don't require Qt :P01:48
mikki-kunalterego: so for nokia qt sdk i can use c++?01:48
MohammadAG51media-im-status-updater uses it to compile it01:48
MohammadAG51and C01:48
alteregomikki-kun: yes, mikki-kun just install it, seriously :)01:48
MohammadAG51and python01:48
mikki-kunhm, what did i miss so far on the n900 :>01:48
alteregoMohammadAG51: yes, it uses madde and qmake, no Qt dependencies though :P01:48
MohammadAG51syntax will look retarded01:48
mikki-kuni seriously need my c++ skills upped01:48
MohammadAG51i know alterego :P01:49
MohammadAG51it also uses INCLUDEPATH01:49
alteregoIn fact, it doesn't actually use madde.01:49
MohammadAG51instead of PKG_CONFIG01:49
alteregoMohammadAG51: it was my first app :P01:49
MohammadAG51which is annoying :P01:49
MohammadAG51alterego, n00b!01:49
MohammadAG51alterego, thinking of rewriting it01:49
MohammadAG51the UI part01:50
alteregoYou are?01:50
MohammadAG51you cba to do it apparently01:50
alteregoWell, I've got more interesting things to do.01:50
MohammadAG51true that01:50
alteregoAnd there are a few things about it that are annoying so it's not a ten minute job.01:50
MohammadAG51cambridge meet up? :P01:50
MohammadAG51like what?01:50
alteregoCan't remember, I just remmeber doing the UI, then thinking, hrm, this isn't as easy as I thought it'd be.01:51
alteregoSo I didn't bother finishing it.01:51
alteregoI should really look at it again tbh.01:51
MohammadAG51ImportError: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory01:51
MohammadAG51that's why i feel like rewriting it for you :P01:52
alteregoMaybe you should install pyside, isn't it part of the deps?01:52
ArGGu^^MohammadAG51 btw what are you doing?01:52
MohammadAG51trying to sleep01:52
ArGGu^^I mean what you developing01:52
MohammadAG51alterego, it is01:52
MohammadAG51something's wrong it seems01:52
ArGGu^^*what you are01:53
MohammadAG51ArGGu^^, mediaplayer and mediabar need work01:53
alteregoHrm, well, people still seem to be able to install and use it ..01:53
MohammadAG51something's wrong on my device it seems01:53
MohammadAG51I don't feel like sleeping01:54
MohammadAG51but I have an exam :/01:54
mikki-kunMohammadAG51: which subject is it about?01:54
MohammadAG51Physics Unit 301:55
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* MohammadAG51 despertely needs the Qt bug when launching apps in portrait mode fixed01:59
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ArGGu^^What I need to do that when pressing X from mainwindow the whole application wont quit?02:00
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mikki-kunMohammadAG51: btw MediaBar so far is really an awesome app :)02:03
MohammadAG51override the closeEvent()02:03
lcukMohammadAG51, do you know specific problem? (have you gdbed it)02:03
ArGGu^^MohammadAG51 ok thanks02:03
lcukand is there a qtbug for it02:03
MohammadAG51lcuk, yes, Venemo traced it back to QApplication, and yes02:03
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MohammadAG51mikki-kun, it needs work really02:03
MohammadAG51exams != free time :P02:03
lcukMohammadAG51, if its been traced all the way back02:04
lcukif someone has source ready and available, cure it, test it, submit it as mr02:04
MohammadAG51bt only shows 2 lines lcuk02:04
MohammadAG51no one knows how to cure it :)02:04
lcukurl to source line problem (gotirious web?)02:05
lcukgitorious even02:05
mikki-kunMohammadAG51: still so far it is awesome :) feedback is always good, especially if it is positive, if know it ;)02:05
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MohammadAG51not sure of the source line, it's in QApplication though02:05
ArGGu^^damm I'm hungry :S02:05
ArGGu^^eat like 12 hours ago :S02:06
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lcukMohammadAG51, then we shall ask venemo to trace it closer and get actual line refs02:06
MohammadAG51lcuk, traceback isn't helpful02:06
MohammadAG51see the bug02:06
ArGGu^^I'm sick so I don't have much appetite :S02:06
lcukMohammadAG51, yes, I see.  the debug build is really needed02:07
ArGGu^^well I'm going trying to get some sleep02:07
MohammadAG51it is a debug build lcuk02:07
ArGGu^^Good night02:07
lcukwhich gdb are you using?02:07
MohammadAG515MBs in size02:07
MohammadAG51night ArGGu^^02:07
MohammadAG51the gdb we all use :P02:07
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lcukhumour me02:08
* SpeedEvil hits lcuk with a trout.02:08
lcuk\o SpeedEvil02:08
MohammadAG51GNU gdb (GDB)
lcukok, theres a qt happy 7.0 build around02:08
MohammadAG51but that is Qt happy :P02:09
lcuknot sure if thats why you arent getting symbols02:09
MohammadAG51it works when i f*** up an app :)02:09
MohammadAG51and trust me, I do that a lot02:09
MohammadAG51only reason i'd think of is libqt4-core-dbg not installed02:10
MohammadAG51and that doesn't fit on /02:10
MohammadAG51which reminds me02:10
MohammadAG51i could exploit my on-device sdk02:10
MohammadAG51yay installing02:11
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MohammadAG51how do I do a debug build with make?02:13
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lolcatCan I synch maemo to google calendar?02:13
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lcukMohammadAG51, have started watching that bug, let us know if you get better backtrace02:14
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timeless_xchatlolcat: sometimes02:15
timeless_xchatgoogle is your friend02:16
lolcatI don't like that evil corporation02:16
timeless_xchatmohammadag: add -g to CFLAGS02:16
SpeedEvilgoogle is not evil.02:16
* SpeedEvil is.02:16
alteregoMohammadAG51: vu meter? :D02:17
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MohammadAG51looks like the old N64 logo :P02:18
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alteregoYeah, just a simple mesh whilst I nail down shaders and my engine classes02:19
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alteregoMy camera class is almost done which allows moving and panning using touch screen02:19
alteregoTomorrow I'm going to implement the terrain loader02:19
alteregoMight also mess about with a osm or gmaps overlay02:20
alteregoThe cool thing, though not obvious from that screenshot, is the alpha blending and fog effect actually render nicely over Qt widgets, so I should be able to maintain Columbus' swipe static background02:21
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alteregoAnd have a pretty fade to background image on the terrain/mapping widget for v202:22
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MohammadAG51lcuk, unable to reproduce under on-device sdk02:23
alteregoAnyhow, g'night folks02:23
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GeneralAntillesJaffa: ping?02:24
GeneralAntillesJaffa: do we want to archive 2010?02:24
GeneralAntillesAlso: holyshitalmostayearalready?!02:24
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MrBawblolcat: maybe Erminig will work?
MohammadAG51lcuk, new info02:27
MohammadAG51segfault only occurs when QGtkStyle sets the theme02:27
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MohammadAG51i'll post about it tomorrow, at least i tracked it down02:30
MohammadAG51going to sleep, nighto/02:30
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eichiops fmms did me an new internet connection, which doenst work. but i cant delete it anymore, someone knows, where i can do this?02:47
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MrBawbfmms creates entries in gconf under /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/02:50
MrBawbyou can get a list of those entries by running: "gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP"02:52
MrBawball wifi connections will be in there too02:52
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eichiMrBawb: thanks, did it witn fAPN, but, yours should work too ;) thanks03:03
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MrBawboh right, I was thinking fmms was fapn03:06
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lolcatI can't import calendars to google calendars03:17
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: you liked to disturb my dreams - so what's on?04:04
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* GeneralAntilles yawns.04:07
* DocScrutinizer also yawns, but probably in a different situation04:08
DocScrutinizerI hate it to get up and find I'm short of milk for the cafe latte04:10
DocScrutinizertime for 1264843004:11
* DocScrutinizer mumbles swearwords04:11
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DocScrutinizerhmm, those dudes had lots of fun with h-e-n and my slightly improved booston script04:13
jonwilbah, still getting nowhere figuring out how to produce csd plugins :(04:14
DocScrutinizermeh, what's wrong with a LED flashing 6Hz red/pink, while watching a movie? If that is inappropriate then you're watching the wrong movies! :-P04:15
DocScrutinizeroh, actually csd. had to lok at the nick to get it04:15
jonwilwhat I wouldn't give for the nokia-closed csd-base-dev and libisi-dev packages right now :P04:17
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jonwilI get the feeling I am going to need to bypass CSD and write a separate daemon for cbsms04:18
jonwilalthough I am worried that bypassing the telephony stack wont work04:19
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: mabe I know people who can poke the right people. Let's see if we can 'make a deal' with Nokia. Sometimes this works, evidently04:24
DocScrutinizeradmittedly it got me nowhere with bme04:25
DocScrutinizerbut there are others that were able to do such deals04:25
jonwilI suspect this is less sensitive given that A.the telephony stack is now open in MeeGo and B.we only need headers and not actual code04:26
DocScrutinizergiven the closed nature of cellmo FW the risk for Nokia to disclose a few *.h isn't high04:26
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DocScrutinizeryes, exactly04:26
jonwilthere are packages that used to exist called cellmo-icpr82-headers and cellmo-headers, no idea what they contained though04:28
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jonwilor why they were removed04:29
DocScrutinizerstating the fact that you don't want to cheat on, or even kill telepathy might be a sound argument to get lcuk''s attention. And he knows lots of people who can help04:29
jonwilyeah I don't want to have to write something outside telephony if I dont have to04:30
DocScrutinizerspeaking to tekojo might help to get support from Nokia directly04:30
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SpeedEvilputting it into telepathy would be good04:30
DocScrutinizeralso stskeeps might be somebody worth talking to04:30
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: ack04:31
DocScrutinizerso, while colabora might not be interested in doing this themselves, without order from Nokia, they might feel like helping any volunteer planning to do this04:32
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jonwilso whats the best way to approach these people? email? irc pm?04:32
DocScrutinizerlcuk: : here04:32
DocScrutinizerlcuk: = colabora04:32
DocScrutinizertekojo = here sometimes04:33
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jonwilso an IRC PM to lcuk then?04:34
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DocScrutinizerlcuk might talk to or give you contacts to talk to, inside colabora04:34
DocScrutinizerping him first, I'd say04:34
DocScrutinizerlcuk: ping04:35
DocScrutinizertekojo (tero kojo iirc) might pop up here in ~5..6h04:36
DocScrutinizerthat's his usual time04:36
jonwilwhat about stskeeps?04:36
jonwilor are the other 2 better people to contact?04:36
DocScrutinizercheck #meego-arm04:36
DocScrutinizerstskeeps is involved into meego development now, but close to Nokia. He may want to help if he feels it's useful for meego04:37
jonwilwhich it probably isnt since meego already has ofono04:38
jonwiland isnt using the old telephony stack04:38
DocScrutinizerhmm, please elaborate04:38
jonwilyou dont know what ofono is?04:39
DocScrutinizeraah, sorry, I still wait for coffee to kick in. yeah ok04:39
jonwilmy bet is that lcuk or tekojo might help04:39
DocScrutinizerlcuk denied any insight into telepathy some weeks ago, but still might be able to shout across the room to the guy that developed telepathy04:40
DocScrutinizeror introduce you to him/her04:40
DocScrutinizerRobot101 also is colabora iirc04:42
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jonwilI dont know if cbsms is really a fit for telepathy04:44
DocScrutinizerhis "rush hours" are now+12h to now+18h it seems04:44
DocScrutinizeris sms?04:44
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DocScrutinizerare instant messages?04:45
jonwilwell what I want is to talk to is to someone who can try to get access to dev packages to talk to libisi and the cellmo stuff and dev packages and info for building a csd plugin04:45
DocScrutinizerCBSMS is somewhere in between the two04:45
jonwiland yes, information for plugging into telephathy and high-level bits04:46
jonwilif that makes sense to do04:46
DocScrutinizertalk to telepathy guys I guess04:46
DocScrutinizerand to tekojo.04:47
jonwilso robot101, tekojo and lcuk?04:47
DocScrutinizerI'll do the same when ever I run into one of them. Please keep me CC'd04:47
jonwilok, I will keep you CC'd04:48
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jonwildoesnt look like any of those 3 are actually around right now04:50
DocScrutinizerlcuk and Robot101 are around but asleep, tekojo will join every 3rd day, ~9..15:00 CET04:51
jonwilI shall wait to see when they wake up/appear04:51
jonwilBeing in Australia isnt going to make this easy :(04:52
infobotrumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
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DocScrutinizerIOW - irc has no best time04:53
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DocScrutinizertbh I absolutely don't get it why Nokia missed on the great opportunity to position N900/maemo for emergency management special usecase. Given the prperties of the device and OS it'd be optimal for developing special software for usage in such scenarios. Like CBSMS with postprocessing, OSM earthquake, etc04:57
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DocScrutinizera rarely know fact is GSM specs even support closed user groups, to implement sth like VPN for calls04:59
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DocScrutinizerat least that's my take on it - never digged into it05:00
jonwilme, all I care about is being able to see the cell tower ID/name so I can tell if the tower I am talking to is close or further away :)05:00
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DocScrutinizerI followed a similar purpose when asking tekojo about service mode interface to modem, to get a full set of GSM network info parametrs. See
DocScrutinizeralas this didn't lead anywhere in the end05:03
DocScrutinizerjonwil: you could tell distance to BTS by a resolution of 550m, my inspecting TimeAdvance05:03
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DocScrutinizerthe depressing part of that story is: really ancient phones like Nokia 6210 supported service monitor mode, but only way to exploit it was connecting phone to a PC via service cable (or IrDA). Now that we have a N900 that can run all kinds of apps exploiting this data, like GSM "triangulation" positioning, the modem is missing all but the most basic features05:07
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DocScrutinizerit's a shame05:08
jonwilyeah it is05:08
DocScrutinizerObvously Nokia's mantra had been "it's no phone, it's a NIT. We want GSM data, and phone is a nice to have". Which is a really bad notion, to define implementation goals for a new potentially powerful device05:13
DocScrutinizerand now they are developing meego based on the same paradigm, and claim that's their fundation for all their future high end smartPHONES - isn't it roaring obvious there's something terribly odd in this concept?05:16
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jonwilYeah there is no reason MeeGo cant support all the GSM/UMTS/cellmo features that Android, WinMo, Symbian etc are supporting05:17
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DocScrutinizerexcept MTSG not even thinking about "niche usecases" like CBSMS and whatnot. SSC is just another topic that comes to mind05:19
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wmaronebut isn't that outside MeeGo's scope? Wouldn't that be better placed in the Ofono layer, or be vendor specific?05:21
DocScrutinizerthey are still specifying product requirements for a netbook, rather than a high end smartphone. And a netbook doesn't need to deal with CBSMS, not even with power conservation that much like a cellphone needs to do - that's why nobody feels sensorfw is doing wrong when *polling* sensors that have an IRQ hw line05:22
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jonwilyeah that's part of the problem, MeeGo is being driven too much by Intel that wants it for ATOM tablets and netbooks05:23
DocScrutinizerit needs a fundamentally different mindset of engineers specifying system architecture of a smartphone, than that you usually find and accept for engineers developing a new desktop/laptop/netbook OS05:25
jonwilIf Nokia doesnt step up and make MeeGo a better OS for smartphones, Nokia's leadership in mobile phones (whats left of it) will disappear05:26
DocScrutinizerI think that's damage done - nothing to recover here05:27
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DocScrutinizerNokia quite obviously lost or paralyzed inhouse smartphone OS competence05:28
jonwilSymbian was never that good for smartphones IMO05:29
DocScrutinizerbut a few Nokia devels for maemo were savvy. Alas it seems they either left or got devoiced05:30
Kilroo1I remember when I first read about MeeGo, I got all excited and then stopped and went "'re giving up a debian-based system for WHAT now?"05:31
Kilroo1I disagree, jonwil. From my experience with my n85, I think Symbian was pretty darn good for smartphones...until, well, iOS, Android, and Maemo 5...05:31
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Kilroo1It's not so much that it was bad as that it stopped being as good, if you see what I mean.05:32
DocScrutinizerit's not about what it's based on - it's all about where it abandons blind following of a desktop centric mainstream and implements custom tailored yet free and extensible own solutions05:33
Kilroo1Oh, it's not so much the basis that bothered me, I suppose.05:33
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Kilroo1It's more the fact that I don't like the idea of giving up apt for anything but pacman or conary.05:34
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DocScrutinizerBAD example: adopting pulseaudio for maemo. Good example: Nokia's maemo driver for lis302 accelerometer is IRQ based and much better than the "mainstream" polling driver they use in meego now05:36
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DocScrutinizerKilroo1: I give no flying sh*t about apt/rpm. I'm using the app manager maybe once a week, so what? it's the core apps and kernel, that run all the time which bothers me05:38
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Kilroo1DocScrutinizer: Very valid point. But I still don't much care for the idea of something I see as a downgrade in package management.05:39
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DocScrutinizerexample? you want an app that starts an alarm as soon as the device gets moved. Shout "HAIL meego polling accel driver"05:39
Kilroo1Then again, at least if T-Mobile ever gets 3G+ in my area, I'm probably going to be happy enough with my n900 for quite a while that I won't likely do more than experiment with Meego unless a new Meego phone comes out that just gives me nerdgasms...and works on a network with better local coverage.05:41
Kilroo1That reminds me, I should take another crack at bluetooth tethering the n900 to the n85 again sometime.05:41
DocScrutinizeryeah, and has a battery life of what? 2h?05:41
Kilroo1...Are you talking about the mythical Meego phone or the n85?05:42
DocScrutinizerlet me put it the harsh way: meego devels have no clue how to design a decent smartphone OS05:42
Kilroo1Ah, okay.05:43
Kilroo1Good thing I like maemo, then.05:43
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Kilroo1Random thoughts of the moment: I wonder if there's a way to tell rotatedaemon that I actually only want it to give me upside-down landscape mode. I also wonder why my phone doesn't seem to find pocketsphinx in extras-devel.05:46
* Kilroo1 goes to research these things.05:47
DocScrutinizerif they had, they wouldn't ask "is it upstream" whenever you suggest a better alternative. They would cheer "it's better for smartphone usecase! \o/"05:47
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DocScrutinizerthey never wrapped their heads around the reasons why e.g Android not even is a Linux anymore05:48
jonwilWhat I want is a smartphone with the good stuff from Android AND the good stuff from Maemo.05:50
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jonwilI like the openess and native code of Maemo05:51
jonwiland I like some of the hardware from Android developers like HTC and Motorola (plus the fact that Android is designed to be a cellphone OS from day one)05:53
Kilroo1I'd be tickled pink if the answer to all the folks who have asked "what about porting Dalvik to Maemo instead of using NITDroid" became "Sure, here it is." But then, most of what I like better about Android than Meego tends to be games Maemo doesn't have yet.05:56
johnxDavlik to regular linux is supposedly kinda painful to actually accomplish05:57
Kilroo1Didn't say I thought it would happen, said I'd be tickled. :)05:58
Kilroo1I was reading an interesting thread recently from a guy who doesn't like the n900's contacts and conversations. I thought it was kinda neat to get a different perspective, since I like Telepathy a lot and about the only thing I miss from contacts is voice dialing.05:58
johnxyeah. I really liked the thought of it for a long time ... but it looks like portability was really not a concern that the android guys had05:58
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johnxactually, I played with an android 2.2 device the other day and came away not hugely impressed. I always have this tendency to assume that Linux is less usable than whatever the mainstream thing-of-the-day is06:00
Kilroo1After using Arch Linux on my home PC for this long and loving it,'t.06:00
johnx... then I go try the latest mainstream thing and when it isn't hugely more usable I'm always weirded out06:01
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* jonwil wonders if anyone important will ever read bugs like 11794...06:18
Psithey n900 sudoers file looks quite complex, is there any trick to adding another user to it?06:19
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DocScrutinizer51bug #1174906:34
povbotBug as-daemon uses lots of RAM and CPU06:34
DocScrutinizer51wtf is as-daemon?06:34
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jonwilits not 11949 I was referring to, its 1179406:43
jonwilbug #1179406:43
povbotBug Open Fremantle's MCE06:43
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Psiso, how does one ssh into easydebian running on n900?07:26
MohammadAG51ssh into normal n900 and start a debian shell?07:26
Psido you have to install ssh server in easydebian then run it on a different port to the maemo ssh07:26
Psihow do you start a debian sheel?07:27
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer51, had an alarm set to 6, apparently I woke up, unplugged the N900 from the charger, stopped the alarm and went back to bed, yet I can't remember doing that07:29
Psithanks, debbie-sue worked07:30
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: moo - and sorry, my daily reconnect hit at 6:30:0007:33
DocScrutinizerso everything after your wake up story got lost07:33
DocScrutinizeractually after psi's haha07:34
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Psinice, got samba working07:45
Psihowever im a bit confused why samba is still working even tho ive shutdown LXDE07:47
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ShadowJKlxkde isn't in the habbit of killing system daemons07:59
DocScrutinizerthought as much - morning ShadowJK07:59
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: could you add a comment to
povbotBug 8347: Cell Broadcast Feature not available08:09
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jonwilneed to sign up for bugzilla first :(08:12
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jonwilDocScruitinizer, are you suggesting I should mention the stuff I want in the bugzilla comment?08:32
jonwilok, will do08:32
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DocScrutinizer51also why you need them, what's your concept etc08:33
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DocScrutinizer51then hope for andre__ to maybe propagate this request to whom it may concern inside Nokia08:35
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: tekojo  is online08:46
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DocScrutinizertekojo: morning :-) jonwil is about to add a comment to bug 8347, about data he needs to fix the bug. Could you have a look at it and see what's possible?08:48
povbotBug Cell Broadcast Feature not available08:48
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tekojoDocScrutinizer: sure, will take a look08:48
DocScrutinizerfine :-D many thanks08:48
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jonwilwhat is telepathy and why would wiring cbsms up to it be of value?09:00
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jacekowskijonwil: well, pretty much anything09:05
jacekowskijonwil: just question what is needed09:05
SpeedEviltelepathy is the undelying messaging framework09:05
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: seen above? tekojo will support your request, as soon as you add it to sms-cb bug.09:09
jonwilI am adding it now09:09
jonwilthe info on what I need and what would be nice to have09:09
DocScrutinizerthe better detail this comment can give, the higher the chances somebody inside Nokia knows how to deal with it09:10
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lcukjonwil, DocScrutinizer - actually the best way to deal with a limitation is to file a bug with the information in, most of my scrollback is gone but for the pings and I am not reading more.09:11
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jonwilok, I am providing all the info I can09:11
DocScrutinizerno problem, thanks and good morning09:11
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: it's about bug 834709:12
povbotBug Cell Broadcast Feature not available09:12
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DocScrutinizerjonwil is tackling it, but needs some *.h and related stuff to implement a fix09:12
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jonwilcomment added09:12
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: we all thought it would be nice this fix goes to telepathy09:13
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jonwilbasically the intent is to build a low-level library and plugin for the CSD daemon (so a libcbsms and a csd-cbsms) and then an upper level telepathy plugin/interface talking to that09:14
jonwilAnd then after that, a suitable UI plugin to display the Cell Broadcast messages09:14
jonwile.g. status bar plugin09:14
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jonwilit would be possible to write something that bypasses the telephony stack and does everything manually or to reverse engineer the telephony stack but it would be better if it can be done the "right" way09:16
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jonwilSince the relavent area is open-source in MeeGo (via ofono) the chances of getting what I want seem greater than with things like BME that remain closed.09:18
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DocScrutinizerand as SMS-CB would/should get handled similar to normal point-to-point SMS (except when flag "popup" is set for the particular cell broadcast SMS) it's quite natural to implement it into the existing stack09:19
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jonwilCBSMS (specifically the cell tower name/ID stuff) was supported on my moms old Nokia with B&W screen, its embarrasing that one of Nokia's flagship smartphones doesn't support it :)09:21
jonwilAlthough there are those that would debase the "flagship" comment :P09:22
DocScrutinizer51agreed - actually I was about to push out a similar comment09:24
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jonwilHaving this info would presumably also let other things be done to the SMS stack (for example, code to detect incoming SMSs from certain numbers and block them so the UI level never even knows the SMS arrived)09:26
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jonwilwhich was IIRC a request in bug 1087009:26
povbotBug Open source libsms and libsms-utils09:27
DocScrutinizer51it's almost fraud to sell a Nokia phone at more than twice the price of my y2k Nokia 6210, and it doesn't support things that were standard on that old featurephone. Just for a 'we don't need that' and without any rationale why N900 can't support them09:27
meceDocScrutinizer51, ?09:28
meceDocScrutinizer51, that doesn't sound like you...09:28
DocScrutinizer51mece: huh?09:28
meceDocScrutinizer51, the rant.09:28
DocScrutinizer51nah I'm famous for my rant09:28
meceDocScrutinizer51, was rather unlike you. Did I miss something interesting?09:28
meceDocScrutinizer51, yeah you rant, but that one sounded strangely non-technical09:29
DocScrutinizer51mece: check bug 834709:29
povbotBug Cell Broadcast Feature not available09:29
jacekowskiwe don't need cbsms09:30
jonwilLots of people want that feature09:31
jonwilincluding me09:31
jonwilwell I dont know about "lots"09:31
jonwilbut people want it09:31
meceDocScrutinizer51, interesting.09:31
jacekowskiwhat for09:31
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: you don't need electricity09:31
jacekowskii still don't see any real use case for cbsms09:31
jonwilMy mobile network uses CBSMS to broadcast a tower ID/name09:31
mecejacekowski, spam?09:32
jonwilall 3 of my previous phones supported displaying this tower ID/name on the home screen09:32
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jonwilas well as phones owned by my family09:32
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: home zone notification, desaster alerts09:32
jonwilYeah the government around here was talking about using SMS alerts for disaster notifications for fires and floods and stuff09:32
jonwilfor evacuations etc09:32
mecehee sounds like something that would be fun to hack :D09:33
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DocScrutinizer51mece: as hard to hack as the obscure free calls on GSM09:34
DocScrutinizer51of course you can set up your own BTS tower and override the 'official' one09:35
jonwilpoint is CBSMS is not as useless as many people claim :P09:35
meceDocScrutinizer51, My own tower, with blackjack, and hookers!09:35
meceWow I haven't been to in ages it appears.09:36
DocScrutinizer51yeah, talk to Harald welte about openBB09:36
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DocScrutinizer51I bet he likes the hookers idea09:36
meceDocScrutinizer51, well the next bit in that quote would be "in fact forget the blackjack and the tower"09:37
ShadowJKOne operator here offered cheap rates in your home zone, and cell broadcast was used (I think?) to indicate what zone you are in09:37
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meceWell, perhaps it will get fixed :)09:38
DocScrutinizer51O2 Germany does exactly that09:38
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jonwilLet me add a comment with some of the "use cases" for CBSMS and why it would be good to havde09:38
mecewtf .ico files? Stupid windows.09:39
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DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: that's why they broadcast Gauss-Wegener coords of the BTS on CBC221. That's used to calculate if terminat is inside homezone - calculation for display done in SAT09:40
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meceGrr, why doesn't qt creator respect my authoritah09:41
Termanagood morning09:42
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meceMornin' Termana09:42
phrearchare there any tweaks to further speed up the n900?09:42
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mecephrearch, what kind of speed are we talking about?09:43
phrearchim running chromium on the n900 with a websocket app im working on. wondering whether i can speed it up a bit for a demo09:43
ShadowJKYeah, don't use javascript ;-)09:43
phrearchbesides optimalisations on the webpart, the first thing im thinking of is to increase cpu speed09:43
phrearchyea :)09:43
phrearchbit difficult with websockets though09:44
keriocan you afford another n900?09:44
kerioif you can, overclock this one09:44
phrearchnot really :)09:44
keriothen you're screwed09:44
keriouse a computer09:44
mecephrearch, well, you can disable stuff like automagical email checking so it won't interrupt you. But other than that, I dunno really.09:45
jonwilPosted some use-cases for CBSMS09:45
jonwilin the bug09:45
mecephrearch, remove widgets09:45
phrearchi always used some queen baecon script in combination with kernel-power, but thats not working anymore09:45
mecephrearch, so you already oveclocked it?09:46
phrearchehm, i only have some desktop icons09:46
phrearchmece: before the upgrade to 1.3 yes09:46
phrearchcant help it :)09:46
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phrearchi installed swappolube which made the animations go a bit faster.09:46
mecephrearch, well people are still overclocking so just search tmo for help on that.09:47
DocScrutinizer51increasing CPU clock for a demo is evil cheeting. You should DEcrease CPU clock for demos, to prove your app is not putting too much load on the system09:47
mecephrearch, if you just want ui to be quicker (as opposed to applications) just install transition control or whatever it's called and set everything to 0 or close to it.09:48
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phrearchmece: thanks for the tip. ill check the repos for it09:49
phrearchah found it09:49
mecephrearch, just try some settings. You'll find ui feels a lot faster with fewer blur cycles.09:50
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DocScrutinizer51aah, and of course09:53
infobotwell, omap-oc is  read that!09:53
phrearchhm, it doesnt end up in my app list09:53
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phrearchheh, yea i probably should leave it as it is09:54
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DocScrutinizer51phrearch: checked settings?09:59
phrearchi couldnt find the transition control app10:00
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DocScrutinizer51phrearch: checked settings?10:00
phrearch ow, ehm, which ones?10:01
DocScrutinizer51the settings app10:02
jonwilLets hope someone can respond to my comment on bug 8347 :)10:02
povbotBug Cell Broadcast Feature not available10:02
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jonwilor if not that someone can reverse engineer the needed interfaces :)10:03
phrearchyea, i went through the settings some times. what should i look for?10:03
DocScrutinizer51tekojo said he'll look into it and see what can be done, jonwil10:03
jonwilok, great10:03
DocScrutinizer51phrearch: I thought the transitions might show up there10:04
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DocScrutinizer51for a wild guess10:04
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SpeedEvilLet's all go and vote for bug 8347!10:05
SpeedEvilCreating a bugzilla account is fun!10:05
mecevoted already10:05
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SpeedEvilI said creating a bugzilla account is fun.10:06
* mece is slow10:06
phrearchhm, brb10:06
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phrearchhm couldnt find it in settings10:22
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phrearchah found it10:23
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DocScrutinizerphrearch: yeah, needs a reboot or whatever to show up in applauncher10:29
phrearchok, ive set all of those settings in there to 5. seems a bit more responsive10:30
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DocScrutinizerbtw thanks, I managed to install it finally, and so speeded up my mhd flying windows in taskswitcher a bit10:31
phrearchow, that swappolube app also makes some difference10:33
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phrearchi also tried qcpufreq to speed up to 1000, just for this chromium webapp demo10:34
phrearchits quite a difference, but i wont make it default10:34
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phrearchtrick is to make a theme that shows fine on both a 5 inch screen and a 24 inch10:37
phrearchdoesnt the n900 send an iphone user agent?10:38
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DocScrutinizernot afaik10:40
DocScrutinizerat least microb doesn't10:40
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phrearchhm, checking10:41
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DocScrutinizerbut honestly, if that webapp needs OC to not suck, then it sucks nevertheless10:41
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SpeedEvilWell - OC can be viable to prove something as a POC.10:42
SpeedEvilBut if it needs it permenantly10:42
phrearchyea, i want to show that a websocket cms can run fine on a mobile as well10:43
phrearchchromium is the only browser that supports it atm, and i need it to be a bit responsive for the poc10:43
DocScrutinizeryou can't expect users to OC just to run a silly webapp. If that's a stopgap to show off a PoC and you plan to improve it later, then it might be OK (tgough you should be very clear about why it's that slow now and what can be done to speed it up later that can't be done now)10:44
phrearchsure, its just for a demo10:44
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phrearchusers want to have something visual. it doesnt do much if i say that it could run in theory on a mobile phone10:45
phrearchafaik, only the iphone supports websockets besides n900 chromium10:46
DocScrutinizeryour OC'd PoC is cheating nevertheless, unless you *know for sure* you can speed it up by at least factor 3 later10:46
phrearchthe mobile version is just for the eyecandy :p10:47
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phrearchits meant for desktops in the first place10:47
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phrearchbut its cool to see it works fine, even without oc10:48
jacekowskifennec doesn't support websockets?10:49
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phrearchi think mozilla is a bit cautious with websockets atm. there was a proxy security problem with websockets10:50
phrearchread proxy problem10:50
jacekowskifirefox sucks as i said10:50
phrearchyea, i prefer webkit based browsers10:50
RST38hHELO gentlemen10:50
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DocScrutinizer51moin RST38h10:53
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meceSpeedEvil, nonono, the problem is not the device, but you, who require such unruly alarm times. You should change your schedule instead :P11:05
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SpeedEvilActually, my bin collection times.11:14
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fralssync a calendar event that is biweekly and has a reminder set ;D11:16
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DocScrutinizerthe database allegedly supports biweekly11:19
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, seen my questions in mhd?11:20
DocScrutinizeralarmed also should11:20
DocScrutinizeryep, but thinking about it11:20
DocScrutinizerI see the purpose, but I'm still pondering the exact requirements11:20
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MohammadAGi was thinking of a state file first11:22
MohammadAGbut that's stupid11:22
MohammadAG(if file is present, hostmode is active)11:22
MohammadAGthen i thought of a_host and a_idle, only states with hostmode atm11:22
DocScrutinizer51not really, given the fact h-e-n will go jrbme to manage hostmode in kernel11:23
MohammadAGah, so jrbme is ready?11:23
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DocScrutinizer51it's a collection of pieces that need integration11:24
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vi_how do I report bugs with titans power kernel?11:26
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DocScrutinizer51and when that's done then h-e-n gui should actually search for a var/run/jrbme file11:27
MohammadAGpoke titan11:27
vi_How do I do that mo?11:27
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vi_is he here?11:27
DocScrutinizer51or simply invoke >jrbme status11:27
vi_perhaps you pros could suggest the reason for the bug...11:28
vi_I am runnning power kernel v42, it is great11:29
hajhey... one of my conversations shows not delivered icon.. and has been showing it for months.. i know the receiver gets my messages so id like to clear the status... any hints how to do so without clearing the conversation?11:29
vi_With the -kernel power settings package installed the number of hardware wakeups goes insane and the kernel process bridge_work-que never goes to sleep.  This anihalates battery power11:30
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DocScrutinizer51haj: same here. Seems a flaw in conversations app11:30
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vi_haj: nothing you can do11:30
DocScrutinizer51haj: I found no solution11:30
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vi_without kernel power settings package installed the number of wakeups is normal11:31
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vi_so one is forced to conclude that there is an error with kernel powersettings package11:31
DocScrutinizer51haj: you should open a bug ticket against conversations11:31
MohammadAGi still think we should rewrite it11:32
hajokay.. annoying.. ill do that later.11:32
MohammadAGyou might be able to edit the sqlite3 database manually11:32
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: what?11:32
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MohammadAGit's telepathy11:33
MohammadAGwhich is documented a lot11:33
DocScrutinizer51let's see what 8347 will yield. Maybe we see conversations to open up enough to fix things11:33
MohammadAGbug 834711:34
povbotBug Cell Broadcast Feature not available11:34
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vi_bug 834711:34
DocScrutinizer51read last comment by jonwil11:34
MohammadAGalready requested11:34
MohammadAGremind me why notifications in microB aren't parented again...11:35
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DocScrutinizer51err wut?11:35
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: because microB is a bastard?11:36
SpeedEvil(actually, it's overall a good browser, I'm impressed)11:36
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, when notifications are parented to the window, they don't show outside it11:36
MohammadAGI got " verified by VeriSign..." in XChat11:37
MohammadAGshould only show in microB11:37
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MohammadAGthat happens when a parent is NULL or 011:37
DocScrutinizer51how would you set the parent window for a dbus notification call?11:38
MohammadAGit shouldn't be using dbus, that's shit coding if it does :P11:38
MohammadAGit should use libhildon1.h11:38
MohammadAGor whatever the notification header's called11:39
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DocScrutinizer51hmm, ok. anyway my question was honest11:39
MohammadAGhermes does it :)11:39
MohammadAGI know ;)11:39
MohammadAGI think notifications are parented in h-e-n11:39
MohammadAGmight be mistaken11:40
DocScrutinizer51I guess the answer is 'you can't' ?11:40
MohammadAGwith dbus, nope11:40
MohammadAGwith the .h, yep11:40
DocScrutinizer51k, time for breakfast, err brinner11:40
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JaffaMorning, all11:42
JaffaGeneralAntilles: pong. Hmm interesting question.11:42
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DocScrutinizerhi Jaffa11:46
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, btw, I noticed the stock mediaplayer does have keyboard shortcuts to seek12:01
MohammadAGhold the left/right arrow12:01
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DocScrutinizer51hah, since when? in movies at least this doesn't work for me12:05
DocScrutinizer51all it does is skip next/prev in playlist12:06
jonwilWhat bits of telepathy code is not open?12:06
DocScrutinizer51or whatever that may be for movies12:06
jonwilOnly important one I can find is telepathy-ring12:06
jonwilwhich I guess is the important one :)12:06
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DocScrutinizer51hmm, yes it's important. But I never knew it's not open12:07
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jonwilits probably closed because it talks to closed things lower in the telephony stack12:07
dotblankwhy does everyone have to use windows12:08
dotblankits such a pain to develop for12:08
toresbeIs there some kind of diagram of which parts of the maemo stack are open and which aren't?12:08
BCMMdotblank: do you have to use raw win32 or .net or something?12:08
BCMMby which i mean, it is a Qt platform after all...12:09
dotblankBCMM, raw win3212:09
dotblankBCMM, but I wan't to use serial ports12:09
dotblankBCMM, and I want my code in native c.. no c++12:09
jonwilThat list might help a bit12:09
jonwilin terms of whats open and whats not12:10
BCMMdotblank: ah12:10
dotblankand i wrote it using autotools12:10
dotblankso my progarm will not run on windows it seems12:10
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dotblankdepends on glib12:10
BCMMdotblank: it's not the "right" answer, but cygwin?12:11
dotblankI know12:11
jonwilgood luck getting glib to work on win3212:11
BCMMdotblank: also, surely there is glib for windows? there is GTK for windows!12:11
dotblankglib should do fine on win3212:11
BCMMor was that a typo for glibc?12:11
dotblankglibc would hard12:11
dotblankits just setting up cross compiling can be hard with autotools12:12
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, I actually tried it in a video12:12
BCMMwell, that's what cygwin is for. but glib and GTK can run natively12:12
MohammadAGyou should hold the keys to seek, press to skip/prev12:12
MohammadAGAnd I need my laptop, figured something out and need to try it :/12:12
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MohammadAGffs can't WoL :/12:15
dotblankso I was all like "pssh crosscompiling programs in qt to windows will be easy in linux"12:15
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dotblankthat didn't go so well12:15
MohammadAGI spent two hours recompiling Qt on windows12:16
dotblankso I'm like "I'll just install a windows VM" then the XP vm bluescreens on install....12:16
MohammadAGto use static linking, since windows has nothing like debs12:16
MohammadAGdon't feel too bad12:16
MohammadAGI got a BSOD on a new out-of-the-box netbook12:16
dotblankbuilding window targets is such a pain12:16
MohammadAGfirst boot too12:16
MohammadAGi wonder if groove would build for the N8...12:17
dotblankits easier for me to cross compile to linux on arm and sparc and ppc then it is to compile code for windows12:17
dotblankwell as long os Qt works and phonon12:18
MohammadAGsame :P12:18
MohammadAGyou use phonon?12:18
dotblankyea but I had to kinda hack it a bit12:18
dotblankwas thinking of sticking native pulse support12:18
dotblankor use libao12:18
MohammadAGphonon apps have a lib12:19
MohammadAGso it would compile12:19
MohammadAGbut there's no backend12:19
MohammadAGon S6012:20
dotblankhmm I wonder if libao would work with that12:20
dotblankmaybe I should actually qrite it for Qt::multimedia12:20
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dotblankmy laughably simple c program is the most pain in the world to port12:22
dotblankthats it running12:22
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BCMMdotblank: either you have a horrible upstream, or most of ##maemo is really, really interested in that link12:28
BCMMcause it doesn't load12:28
BCMMwhere did i get that extra # from?12:30
jonwilthankfully we dont need the source code to the messaging app (rtcom-messaging-ui) to implement Cell Broadcast, god that thing has a LOT of dependancies :P12:31
OkropNickhi all. anyone can help me to setup pulseaudio in N900 to support multiple sounds at one time?12:32
BCMMoh why oh why does maemo (and everything else) use pulse?12:34
MohammadAGeverything else can have pulse replaced12:36
MohammadAGmaemo can't12:36
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OkropNickI don't  know, but I can't complain12:37
MohammadAGjonwil, we might rewrite conversations, if you're interested12:37
BCMMMohammadAG: why is maemo more stuck with pulse than other distros are?12:38
jonwilconversations being the messaging app?12:38
jonwilmaemo cant have pulse replaced because of all the binaries that link to pulse12:38
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BCMMsame with plenty of distros, surely?12:39
MohammadAGBCMM, cause it's 53% closed12:39
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BCMMah, i see12:39
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MohammadAGjonwil, yes12:39
jonwilmy first goal anyway is to implement a CSD plugin for cbsms12:39
MohammadAGgood luck :)12:39
BCMMi'm not sure those other distros can have pulse removed without basically creating a derivative distro with everything built without it12:39
MohammadAGthey'd switch to alsa afaik12:40
jonwilThere is bug 8347 and if that doesn't go anywhere then someone did offer to reverse engineer some things for me...12:40
povbotBug Cell Broadcast Feature not available12:40
MohammadAGjacekowski, saw that12:40
mschlensdumb question: What's wrong with pulse?12:41
MohammadAGit's retarded on maemo, waste of resources12:41
jonwilI think we are more likely to succeed with 8347 than with other opening requests like GPS or BME that are genuinely sensitive.12:42
jonwiltelephony stack is not sensitive AFAIK, not with ofono out there12:42
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BCMMwhat's it even for on maemo? aren't the headphones socket and big speakers and not-hands-free speakers all outputs of the same card which you can switch between by fiddling with a mixer anyway?12:42
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BCMMoh, overkill way of ensuring a smooth switchover to bluetooth?12:43
BCMMno, somebody said the bluetooth chip does that in hardware, and is also fed from the same sound card12:43
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alteregoIt is12:44
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BCMMso what does pulse do that plain ALSA (with dmix) wouldn't?12:46
alteregoHas controls for routing between the different possible outputs.12:46
BCMMmaemo doesn't even seem to use per-app volume control much, since i've noticed music getting louder when it turns the speaker up to play a "new email" alert12:46
alteregoManages volume levels12:46
SpeedEvilAnd can send audio over the network.12:46
BCMMalterego: yeah, i mean what is it doing, on maemo, that plain ALSA wouldn't?12:46
SpeedEvilAnd does all sorts of cool stuff that has been ignored in maemo12:47
alteregocall audio compression12:47
BCMMgiven that the n900 appears to have hardware for routing between all the outputs12:47
BCMMalterego: christ, surely there are tiny, cheap chips that do that for 1/10th of the power consumption?12:48
OkropNickI figured it out. Pulseaudio @ N900 supports multiple sounds @ one time, but default player disable this feature to not disturb during music listening. Playing music by terminal mplayer is not disabling other sounds12:48
alteregoProbably, and don't call me Shierley :P12:48
BCMMalsa supports multiple streams at once too...12:48
BCMMalterego: did you actually mean that pulse is responsible for encoding stuff to GSM codecs?12:49
BCMMwhy doesn't the cell modem thing do that for itself?12:50
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alteregoI think it's offloaded to dsp, actually handled in gstreamer12:51
BCMMstill, that isn't a good reason to put everything through pulse12:52
BCMMand it's still gonna use cycles just... being pulseaudio12:53
SpeedEvilerr - no12:53
SpeedEvilthe cellmo does the GSM coding12:53
SpeedEvilIt takes in digitised audio12:53
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infobothmm... flashing is
alteregochem|st: thanks for the pimping on tmo ;)12:58
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* jonwil suspects the answer from Nokia for anything to do with telephony on the N900 is going to be "use ofono" even though its not possible to use ofono without loss of functionality13:07
RST38hjonwil: but that is your problem not Nokia's13:07
chem|stalterego: you mean linking from brainstorm and stuff?13:07
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alteregochem|st: yeah :)13:08
jonwilThats why they invented IDA pro :P Although I wish I could afford that fancy version with the ARM decompiler...13:08
chem|stalterego: I got a few minutes spare as I am waiting for a technician and thought I might use that to clean up a bit too, still stuck at points where I got no access to I requested a year ago13:08
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alteregochem|st: what points are those?13:09
chem|stalterego: brainstorm13:09
alteregoI've got a spare day, I was actually going to work on Columbus13:09
chem|stalterego: have you got a source for nautical maps?13:09
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alteregoNo, they're all closed as far as I can ascertain :/13:10
chem|styeah same here13:10
alteregoI'll look into it in more detail when v1 is out of the door.13:11
alteregoAs v2 is the version that will integrate maps/charts13:12
chem|stI navigated through shallows by sonar only as the maps I had available where printed and quiet outdated (the satcom maps were far off up to date too), having the sonar change from 25m to 4m in a few seconds made me change course in seconds and you never know if it was the right direction to turn to...13:14
alteregoYeah :/13:14
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chem|stloosing the bottom weight is about 200eur so I'd love to keep it :)13:15
BCMM"from 25m to 4m in a few seconds"? did you find the mast of a wreck?13:16
chem|stBCMM: clifflines13:16
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BCMMchem|st: presumably, that's a regular cliff, but underwater?13:17
chem|stBCMM: steepcoasts is another name13:18
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chem|stthere are reefs underwater and if they are already mapped good but does not help if your maps are outdated13:19
MohammadAGlcuk, alterego
chem|stthe underwater landscape on clifflines change everyday, there is a 10m line about 50m off the cliff where it is very dangerous but in some cases the not even 100m are enough safety distance13:22
SpeedEvilAlso - you have to beware of the kraken.13:24
chem|st10m line means on the map is I line drawn showing there is less than 10m distance to ground13:24
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chem|stSpeedEvil: anytime13:24
fralsMohammadAG: did you install the *correct* debug symbols? should give a prettier backtrace ;o13:25
MohammadAGfrals, hmm, Venemo traced it back to QApplication so I got libqt4-core-dbg13:26
MohammadAGshould try libqt4-gui-dbg13:26
fralssince its in id go for gui-dbg13:27
MohammadAGyeah, but QApplication is in core afaik13:27
MohammadAGI could be wrong13:27
* MohammadAG starts chroot13:27
MohammadAGlibs don't fit on /13:27
alteregoQApplication is QtGui13:27
fralsqapp is gui i think, qcoreapp or smth is core13:27
alteregoQCoreApplication is QtCore13:27
fralswhat he said ^^^13:28
MohammadAGbtw, weird thing I noticed13:28
MohammadAGinstalling 109MBs takes ages on /13:28
MohammadAGor /opt13:28
MohammadAGyet in a chroot it's quick13:28
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MohammadAGthe device doesn't even hang13:29
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* chem|st is missing his little battlestar...13:29
MohammadAGalso I'm getting a download speed of 400+ kbps in the chroot, while I get 30kbps outside it13:30
MohammadAGnot sure how that's even related13:30
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MohammadAGmy apt cache lives in MyDocs13:30
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MohammadAGand there goes my chroot13:31
MohammadAG failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/debug/opt/lib/': No space left on device13:31
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alteregoHah, gutted :P13:34
MohammadAGSetting up libqt4-gui-dbg (4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5) ...13:36
MohammadAG1m21s isn't that bad, considering it's 109MBs13:36
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MohammadAGalterego, when installing -dbg packages, shouldn't running the app in gdb be enough?13:38
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MohammadAG(gdb) bt13:40
MohammadAG#0  0x407d41a8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/
MohammadAG#1  0x407d41a8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/
MohammadAGBacktrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)13:40
alteregoI dunno, I'm not that great with gdb to be honest :P13:40
MohammadAGneither am I, Qt creator's debugger ftw13:41
ThreeMany option to test the hardware of the N900? i have randrom crashes and cannot explain it to me13:41
ThreeMmemtest or so?!13:41
BCMMThreeM: what sort of crashes?13:41
ThreeMyesterday i faleshed the stock firmware again to prevent it13:42
ThreeMnokia logo apperas and hildon desktop is loading (4 animated dots)13:42
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ThreeMsometimes on mp3 playack happen. sometimes when i move to anoter desktop13:43
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ThreeMmean, i cannot repoduce the crash13:43
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MohammadAGyou mean it reboots?13:44
alteregoFunny, Qt coding competition, port your Qt app to MeeGo or Symbian to win cash blah13:44
alteregoThere's apps in there that were written for mobile from scratch, maybe I should enter Columbus13:45
ThreeMbut the device dont ask fo pincode again. just restart13:45
alteregoAlso, how are they targetting MeeGo Handset when there's nothing proper to target yet :D13:45
MohammadAGcat /proc/bootreason when it happens13:45
ThreeMolny one entry: 32wd to13:46
MohammadAGalterego, they expect you to have leaks duh13:46
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fralsalterego: meego handset 1.1 is released, no? ;)13:46
MohammadAGthat's the watchdog13:46
alteregoNot exactly the point,13:47
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MohammadAGit sucks :)13:47
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alteregoWe don't have Qt Components and Qt doesn't have a meego theming backend.13:47
alteregoIn theory this wouldn't effect an app that used it's own custom widgets, but for things like menubars etc.13:47
alteregoWhat do they expect us to dop.13:48
ThreeMMohammadAG Watchdog = the deamon to log reboots?13:48
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MohammadAGit's a hardware watchdog13:48
MohammadAGif you're on PR1.3 and it happens13:48
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MohammadAGI suggest getting a replacement13:48
ThreeMfor the device?13:49
MohammadAGit's the CPU13:49
MohammadAGsure you never OC'd to some ridiculously large number?13:49
alteregoI wonder if they'll accept a Maemo application as an entry that is written in Qt13:49
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alteregoWith the promise, I promise to port it to MeeGo when it becomes viable :D13:50
MohammadAGof course they will13:50
ThreeMnever touched the hardware. stock clocktime, nothing overclocked13:50
MohammadAGI'd vote for columbus :)13:50
lardmanalterego: supposedly they should just work (TM)13:51
alteregoAlso, the runner up prizes are N900s13:51
alteregoWhich seems odd.13:52
lardmanhmm, I need one of those, perhaps I should put mBarcode in :)13:52
alteregoBut if Quim is going to take an age replying to my email, it might be a good solution ;)13:52
fralsi wonder if fmms qualifies?13:52
fralsneed a new n900, this one is flimsy :<13:52
MohammadAGit's not Qt :P13:52
SpeedEvilfmms certainly should!13:52
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alteregofrals: probably, but they say MeeGo/Symbian and fMMS is only useful on Maemo really :P13:52
fralsah doh, needs to be Qt...13:53
alteregoYes, needs to be Qt13:53
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MohammadAGyou could always rewrite it and hope for faster startup time :P13:53
fralsshould maybe do a QML UI13:53
fralsyeah... no13:53
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fralsi read something iabout pyqt and qml working nicely13:53
fralsbut maybe that waas just me dreaming?13:53
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MohammadAGQML = loss of consistency in the UI :/13:54
fralsQML = supermeganice to write ui in13:54
MohammadAG(OS & app)13:54
alteregofrals: depends what nicely means.13:55
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alteregofrals: probably nice to code, but startup times for PyQt are horrendous.13:55
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fralsdoh :)13:55
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EsEhArhell everybody13:56
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MohammadAGI'd stay away from PyQt :P13:56
* MohammadAG ponders a C/GTK fMMS UI13:57
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EsEhArcan anybody help me plz ?13:57
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.13:57
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fralsMohammadAG: unfortunately the UI is coupled to lower layers of the stack atm13:57
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fralsi was planning to decouple it for real so i could write a qt ui but well13:58
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MohammadAGnice sentence at the end there infobot13:58
fralsi got a paying job instead and havent had time since :P13:58
MohammadAGfrals, you're here against your will then? :P13:58
MohammadAG"We are all here voluntarily or against our will." :P13:58
EsEhAri am trying us sflphon with tls13:58
EsEhArbut after tls setting it just crash13:58
fralsMohammadAG: yeah, damn irssi autojoins here on connect still13:58
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MohammadAGreminds me of an efnet(?) channel, I think it was #itsatrap13:59
MohammadAGyou can't /part it13:59
EsEhAris it configurable on n900 with maemo5 ?14:00
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lardmanis what configurable?14:07
lardmandoes sflphon not give you any output in the terminal?14:07
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* MohammadAG wonders how to convert seconds to minutes with a XX:XX output14:07
MohammadAG61 = 1:01 etc14:08
MohammadAG01:01 actually14:08
RobbieThe1stMohammad: Minutes = round(origSeconds /60); Seconds = origSeconds-(Minutes*60)14:08
alteregoMohammadAG: QTime has functions for that.14:09
MohammadAGalterego, that's for current time no?14:09
fralsdoes round default to floor?14:09
alteregoMohammadAG: nope.14:09
RobbieThe1stOh, wait.14:09
MohammadAGRobbieThe1st, hmm14:09
RobbieThe1stYea, floor is what I want14:09
MohammadAGI googled QTime and got forwarded to apple.com14:10
RobbieThe1stI've been using that for day/hour/minute/second output by doing that once for each output - Day=86400 seconds, Hour = 3600, Minute = 60 etc..14:10
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alteregoQTime t(0, 0); t.addSecs(60 * 61); t.toString("hh:mm");14:11
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EsEhArlardman:sflphone for maemo514:11
lardmanwhichever version you're talking about14:11
EsEhArits works fine without tls14:11
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MohammadAGI'm assuming hh:mm is just a format and doesn't matter even if I'm using mm:ss?14:12
lardmanI understand, what do you get if you start it from the term?14:12
EsEhArbut after setting tls and certificates , it just crashed on next startup14:12
alteregoMohammadAG: exactly.14:12
MohammadAGand what's with the 60*61? :P14:12
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EsEhArdidn't tried , starting from terminal14:13
EsEhArlet me try14:13
* MohammadAG tests14:13
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MohammadAGI hate how the device suffocates when it receives a call14:14
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fralsits pretty annoying14:15
lardmanesp if the call comes in while HAM is doing something ;)14:15
RST38hbut a regular reboot fixes it14:15
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fralsnice thing is i get a few seconds response time before it starts making noise ;D14:15
MohammadAGisn't every 4h regular?14:15
RST38hsounds regular enough14:15
RST38hand you are still getting hiccups?14:15
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MohammadAGI think something's wrong with my device14:16
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edheldilHi all, sorry for a flamebait, but it's meant honestly: are there any hints how open MeeGo will be??14:18
alteregoInteresting, is AGPS still working for everyone?14:19
alteregoedheldil: ask in #meego14:19
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MohammadAG    QTime t(0, 0);14:20
MohammadAG    t.addSecs(position);14:20
MohammadAG    ui->currentPositionLabel->setText(t.toString("hh:mm"));14:20
MohammadAGshouldn't that work fine?14:20
lardmanedheldil: more so than Maemo14:20
edheldilwell, since my friend (I too, but $$$ ..) is considering buying n900 with Maemo, I deem it appropriate here as well :)14:20
fralsMohammadAG: what isnt working?14:21
MohammadAGI always get 00:0014:21
lardmanhmm, I'd probably wait as the N900 won't meet the Meego requirements re memory14:21
alteregolardman: ?14:21
lardmanit should run, but one won't get official support14:21
fralsis the snippet you pasted actually executed at some point? ;o14:21
alteregolardman: works fine what are you taking about? :P14:22
lardmanalterego: Meego?14:22
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MohammadAGfrals, every 1s14:22
TermanaDid you hear that14:22
alteregolardman: yeah :P14:22
TermanaCan of worms opening14:22
lardmanwell my N900 is broken, so perhaps it's all fixed now...?14:22
Termanaalterego, technically the N900 no longer is compatible with the official requirements for MeeGo14:22
RobbieThe1stLet me just say that the N900 - even with Maemo - Is an -excellent- device. A few tweaks, and it will run -very- nicely, loads of performance and good Debian-based apps.14:22
alteregoMohammadAG: sorry, addSecs returns a new QTime14:22
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MohammadAGt = t.addSecs() should do14:23
lardmanRobbieThe1st: it's a good device, but I would personally wait, that's all14:23
alteregoI wouldn't, if you can afford it, get it! :D14:23
RobbieThe1stI mean... Any device that can handle -me- disassembling it and reassembling it more than once without breaking gets my vote.14:23
alteregoThe new device is at least 1/2 a year away imo14:23
edheldilRobbieThe1st:  yes, that's the reason I love it. But the sad fact is that from a commercial development viewpoint it's a dead platform :(((14:23
TermanaThat doesn't really mean it won't run though, even if it isn't compatible with the official requirements14:24
alteregoedheldil: who cares about commercial development? :P14:24
alteregoYou've got us :D14:24
Termanaalterego, lol :P14:24
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alteregoAs we speak developers are working right now on apps for your beloved N90014:24
RobbieThe1stAlso, write your app in PyQt, and you'll have a nice portable app.14:24
alteregoI am for one, I know MohammadAG is.14:24
alteregoBut last I checked we were the only two active Maemo developers (jk)14:24
RST38h[Desperation sets in]14:25
MohammadAGalterego, weren't we?14:25
MohammadAGisn't the dev count under 15?14:25
MohammadAGactive devs that is14:25
RobbieThe1stDepends on who you consider a developer14:25
alteregoThere are a few active devs.14:25
alteregoWho are still releasing apps.14:26
edheldilthe only 2 devs, but OS or app devs?14:26
lardmanI was, until my N900 broke14:26
MohammadAGI don't consider an overclocking script or an aircracking script an app :P14:26
alteregoRobbieThe1st: people that are still releasing projects.14:26
MohammadAGthere are no OS devs :p14:26
MohammadAGfor M5 at least14:26
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alteregoActually, there still are devs in Nokia working on M5 OS stuff14:26
RST38halterego: there are?14:27
alteregoSo I heard.14:27
edheldilwell, the author of Dorian has released new update only recently14:27
RobbieThe1stWell, I mean... I'm -technically- a dev, having released my own script/app which is in extras-devel. But I'm doing it for fun, not for money(etc)14:27
alteregoThough nothing official so don't quote me :P14:27
TermanaRobbieThe1st, alterego and MohammadAG haven't released/done anything for money yet either14:27
sx0ni think ovi suite is for windows too14:27
MohammadAGI'm not doing anything for money :P14:27
TermanaNo one has the balls enough14:27
alteregoI'm doing it for fame and glory14:28
edheldilMohammadAG:  lucky, I have to work :)14:28
alteregoAnd chicks14:28
MohammadAGTermana, that'll be $10014:28
MohammadAGalterego, wrong platform14:28
* lardman does it for the pleasure of making something useulf14:28
RST38hThere is a thread:
MohammadAGplease? $50 over IRC?14:28
alteregoRubbish, the N900 has more sex appeal than an iPhone :P14:28
alteregoI see chicks checking me and my N900 out all the time.14:28
MohammadAGyeah, you can echo 255 into sysfs to start a vibrator14:28
Termanaalterego, plus, it's 100x easier getting into the Top 10 apps14:28
RST38h(it has probably been invaded by lemmings by now, but anyway)14:28
alteregoEither that or they're thinking, "He's to cheap for an iPhone, maybe that's why he's getting the bus everywhere"14:28
MohammadAGalterego, lol some people think I don't have an iPhone cause it's expensive14:29
RST38halterego: Not metrosexual enough to own an iPhone!14:29
MohammadAGgiven that, the N900 did cost me 800 bucks...14:29
RST38h.IL taxes?14:29
alteregoRST38h: kind of, I guess I'm to hetro for Steve Jobs.14:29
MohammadAGtax was 34%14:30
alteregoI want "Steve Jobs" to be a verb.14:30
MohammadAGI was optimistic to think they'd count it as a computer :P14:30
fralsMohammadAG: 800USD?14:30
RobbieThe1stHeh; the only person I actually showed my N900 too simply shook his head and said "Devices these days...." when I pulled up a webpage, zoomed in on one part, and showed it to him.14:30
MohammadAGyes frals14:30
edheldiljust to pop several pushed stack frames, is MeeGo going to be open, compared to Maemo?14:30
fralspayed 600€ for mine thou14:30
alteregoOr "Steve Job", I don't want a "Steve Job"14:30
MohammadAGPCs have a 17% tax, mobiles have a 34% one14:30
alteregoedheldil: yes, much more open, though still with a few closed areas.14:30
MohammadAGfrals, from, it was 530 bucks I think14:30
RST38hMohammad: + the VAT, right?14:30
MohammadAGthe rest was for the government14:30
frals600€ from ;(14:31
MohammadAGyou didn't pay tax frals :p14:31
RobbieThe1stI'm just glad I paid $315 shipped...(Used, admittedly)14:31
EsEhArlardman:its failing14:31
TermanaI got my one for $600 AUD14:31
EsEhArsaying Error: org.sflphone.gtk14:31
TermanaNow they are $350 AUD on Amazon14:31
jonwildo I get to call myself a dev if I am working on cell broadcast support? :P14:31
lardmanEsEhAr: pastebin the output14:31
alteregoedheldil: and a few unknowns at the moment, as a vendor can in theory release a very "closed" device, but all the OS middleware has to be compatible with official meego APIs so there's nothing stopping you from implementing replacements for anything, and the meego community (edition) is completely FOSS except for a few closed device drivers.14:31
RST38hBTW, anyone knows if 3G will work if only one of two frequencies is supported by the provider?14:31
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , , , , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.14:31
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MohammadAGjonwil, yes, you seem here to stay :p14:32
Termanajonwil, no, you get to call yourself a crazy man14:32
RST38hI.e. 2100MHz supported but not the second frequency (1700 or 1900)14:32
MohammadAGthat too14:32
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TermanaRST38h, of course14:32
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jonwilHaving just spent $500 on my new N900, I dont plan on buying another phone anytime soon. So I intend to stay here for quite a while doing software dev for this beast :P14:33
RST38hI.e. one band is enough?14:33
TermanaRST38h, yes14:33
edheldilthank you for the info.14:33
jonwilI just wish I had the ARM assembly and linux-eabi knowledge to reverse engineer stuff :(14:34
lardmanI suppose I was considering it only as a piece of hw rather than a phone to be used, I guess I might well buy one to use day to day as Android is really annoying14:34
MohammadAGsometimes, I feel like introducing the N900 to a brick wall14:34
lardmanjonwil: what are you using atm?14:34
RST38hAlternatives are still worse.14:35
jonwilWhat do you mean what am I using? My N900 is my primary phone.14:35
lardmanno I mean to reverse engineer14:35
TermanaMohammadAG, you could make it a part of a wall14:35
jonwilIDA is what I have14:35
lardmanIDA is nice14:35
jonwilalthough I wish I had the fancy new $$$$$$$$$$ ARM decompiler tool14:35
TermanaMohammadAG, Brick vs N900 - makes no difference to the wall14:35
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lardmanthere was a piece of Python code which would convert into pseudo code to interface with that14:36
lardmanor rather would interface with IDA and convert the assembly into pseudo code14:36
MohammadAGTermana, I want a new N900 in the shower, care to donate one?14:36
TermanaMohammadAG, just hold on a second while I go grab some money off my money tree that's growing out the back14:37
* lardman wonders what that code was called, had something to do with swimming I thought14:38
MohammadAGget me a money seed14:38
MohammadAGlardman, ever worked with mafw?14:40
* MohammadAG wonders how to get song length14:42
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lardmanMohammadAG: nope14:47
X-FadeMohammadAG: Check gpodder source.14:47
lardmanmmmm, bacon roll for lunch14:47
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MohammadAGX-Fade, isn't that python?14:48
X-FadeMohammadAG: Yes, but functions should be the same?14:48
DocScrutinizer51800$? Hell, I paid 620EUR14:49
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MohammadAGI still paid more, given the exchange rate at that time :P14:50
MohammadAGX-Fade, true that14:50
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thpMohammadAG: :) it's all d-bus, so you could just "translate" it into whatever dbus binding you use14:52
MohammadAGI'm using mafw headers :P14:52
thpMohammadAG: on metadata changed signal with "duration" as key14:53
MohammadAGoh so it's part of duration14:53
MohammadAGcool :D14:53
* MohammadAG slaps self, 5 hours of sleep don't do well14:54
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: next h-e-n gui needs a donate button in the menu ;-)14:54
DocScrutinizer51btw 5h are just enough14:54
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lardmanjonwil: so anyway, what problems do you have with IDA Pro?15:00
EsEhArlardman: this is the output15:01
EsEhAr   1.15:01
EsEhAr      SFLphone 0.9.715:01
jonwilnothing, its a great disassembler15:01
EsEhAr   2.15:01
EsEhAr      Copyright (c) 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 Savoir-faire Linux Inc.15:01
EsEhAr   3.15:01
EsEhAr      This is free software.  You may redistribute copies of it under the terms of15:01
EsEhAr   4.15:01
EsEhAr      the GNU General Public License Version 3 <>.15:01
lardmanEsEhAr: no!15:01
EsEhAr   5.15:01
EsEhAr      There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.15:01
EsEhAr   6.15:01
EsEhAr   7.15:01
lardmanNO NO!15:01
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Failed to call register() on instanceProxy: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:01
EsEhAr   8.15:01
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:01
MohammadAGlardman, too late15:01
EsEhAr   9.15:01
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:01
EsEhAr  10.15:01
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Failed to call get_codec_list() on ConfigurationManager: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:01
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, quiet ^15:01
EsEhAr  11.15:01
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Failed to call get_active_codec_list() on ConfigurationManager: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:01
EsEhAr  12.15:01
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:01
EsEhAr  13.15:01
MohammadAGor kick :)15:01
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:01
EsEhAr  14.15:01
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:01
EsEhAr  15.15:01
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EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:01
EsEhAr  16.15:01
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:01
EsEhAr  17.15:01
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  18.15:02
MohammadAGthis channel needs more ops15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  19.15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  20.15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  21.15:02
* Robot101 would volunteer...15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
MohammadAGdude, quit15:02
EsEhAr  22.15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
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* alterego too15:02
EsEhAr  23.15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  24.15:02
Robot101who has ops? DocScrutinizer51?15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
* MohammadAG would request15:02
EsEhAr  25.15:02
DocScrutinizerEsEhAr: STOP IT°!!!15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51 !15:02
EsEhAr  26.15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  27.15:02
Robot101DocScrutinizer: just +q him15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
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EsEhAr  28.15:02
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, he can't, started paste15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  29.15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  30.15:02
lardmanEsEhAr: I specifically said to pastebin the output15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  31.15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
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EsEhAr  32.15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
jonwilnothing wrong with IDA other than the fact that I cant afford the version with the ARM decompiler15:02
EsEhAr  33.15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  34.15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  35.15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_ip2_ip_details: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
EsEhAr  36.15:02
lardmanjonwil: ah I see15:02
EsEhAr      [stdout] ERROR    org.sflphone.gtk - Error while calling get_account_list: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)15:02
Robot101DocScrutinizer: its not +m, you can't -v him15:02
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Robot101thats the one15:03
lardmanphew, thanks chaps15:03
MohammadAGlardman, he did pastebin15:03
MohammadAGthen he copied the paste from pastebin15:03
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MohammadAGfail concept of pastebin15:03
MohammadAGthat's why there are line numbers15:03
jonwilStill no closer to understanding the blackbox that is the csd daemon :P15:03
MohammadAGjonwil, channel logs won't help15:04
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Khertan__Morning everyone !15:04
DocScrutinizerbtw I knew it's +q, but I didn't know what konversation meant with context menu "unvoice"15:04
Khertan__Hero of the day: jonwil, for finding meego-mce sources <<< huhu nice15:04
jonwilyeah that was me15:04
jonwilThere is now an open bug asking for the Fremantle MCE sources15:05
jonwilno response from anyone yet though15:05
MohammadAGthe day's over, pleas leave now, you're no longer our hero15:05
MohammadAGnext hero please15:05
DocScrutinizerjonwil: that will take weeks at least15:05
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Khertan__jonwil: will takes month ... time to be upscale to lawyer ... and go down15:06
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MohammadAGno hero for the day? pfft15:06
* jonwil puts "corporate lawyers" on the list of things that should never have been invented15:06
MohammadAGI wonder if EsEhAr is quiet now15:06
MohammadAGi.e stopped pasting15:07
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DocScrutinizeror send them to another planet, just before the big space goose is eating the earth15:07
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MohammadAGlardman, see? that's the paste P15:08
MohammadAGEsEhAr, you're supposed to copy the link, not the contents15:08
MohammadAGanyways, I think he's done pasting15:08
lardmanhmm, not very enlightening those error messages15:09
thpMohammadAG: btw, before I close -> there's also "is-seekable" that gets sent as metadata when the string is seekable (at this point, the client app can send seek requests, e.g. from the slider)15:09
lardmanEsEhAr: no idea, I'd grab the source and see if you can track back to work out where the error is generated15:10
MohammadAGthp, seen that, no idea how to handle it with the current mafw C++ class15:10
thpMohammadAG: if the user wants to seek, and is-seekable is false, wait a bit until is-seekable turns to true15:11
thp(and while is-seekable is true, you can seek directly)15:11
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MohammadAGyeah, but I mean, how do I check if it's seekable with the class I have15:12
MohammadAGneed to read it more15:12
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DocScrutinizerwolle mer ne reilasse?15:16
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DocScrutinizerEsEhAr: ulimit pastelines soft: 3, hard: 615:18
alteregoI would hgave just kicked him ..15:18
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MohammadAGI would've glined, but he's not on our server :P15:18
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DocScrutinizermeh. be nice to noobs15:19
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DocScrutinizerhe didn't paste a URL to his livecam ;-D15:19
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DocScrutinizerRobot101: any comments to bug 8347 ?15:20
povbotBug Cell Broadcast Feature not available15:20
DocScrutinizerRobot101: esp regarding telepathy15:21
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Robot101am not sure it fits for telepathy tbh15:22
DocScrutinizerRobot101: who's doing SMS-PP ?15:22
DocScrutinizerSMS-CB is mostly identical15:22
Robot101what is SMS-PP? I don't speak cellular very well15:23
Robot101 (the oFono port) is open15:24
DocScrutinizerRobot101: ShortMessageService-Point2Point (the usual well known SMS)15:24
n900evilare there other sms services?15:25
nidOyeah, sms-cb15:25
n900evilwell - yes :)15:25
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DocScrutinizerthey are rather similar, in protocol and way to handle them15:26
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DocScrutinizeresp normal SMS-CB as well should be dealt with by conversation app15:27
DocScrutinizerone thread per CBChannel15:27
* DocScrutinizer wonders idly if maemo already deals correctly with SMS-PP that have popup flag set15:28
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lcukDocScrutinizer, any idea whether ofono supports these features or are in the roadmap>15:31
lcukie the current codebase15:32
DocScrutinizerjonwil says they do15:32
jonwilThere is code in ofono that claims to support Cell Broadcast15:32
alteregoDocScrutinizer: unlikely it'll support PP :P15:32
jonwiln900.c calls ofono_cbs_create15:33
DocScrutinizerlcuk: so do you know who's involved in processing 'regular' SMS, in maemo?15:33
Robot101DocScrutinizer: in maemo, it's csd -> telepathy-ring15:33
Robot101closed, closed15:33
Robot101in meego, it's ofono -> telepathy-ring15:33
Robot101open, open15:33
alteregotelepathy ring isn't closed ..15:33
Robot101the csd one is15:33
Robot101the ofono one is open15:34
DocScrutinizerRobot101: the jonwil's comment on 8347 was absolutely to the point15:34
alteregocsd implements telepathy-ring no?15:34
Robot101that means nothing15:34
Robot101in soviet russia, csd implements you?15:34
alteregoIt means a lot actually.15:34
Robot101csd is a system bus daemon which talks an ISI modem protocol over a phonet kernel interface15:34
alteregotelepathy-ring is a service name.15:34
Robot101it exports a very low-level d-bus API to send/receive stuff through the cellmo15:35
alteregoYes, and probably exposes the telepathy-ring dbus api15:35
Robot101telepathy-ring is a daemon, not an API15:35
DocScrutinizerRobot101: could you help with the *.h et al jonwil asked for in 8347?15:35
Robot101it lives on the session bus15:35
alteregoIt's both15:35
Robot101and exports the telepathy API15:35
alteregoExactly ..15:35
jonwilIMO the "right" way to do this is to produce a CSD plugin for cbsms15:35
jonwilor to add cbsms support to csd-sms plugin15:35
alteregoCSD has plugin support now?15:36
Robot101csd was always made of plugins15:36
jonwileither way, such code would talk to the cellmo via libisi (and hence to the kernel driver)15:36
DocScrutinizerand always had plugins15:36
alteregoI reckon use ofono, and write a csd replacement.15:36
Robot101what the 6&!^*(&15:36
Robot101ofono is a csd replacement (semantically) but will never have a compatible d-bus API15:36
alteregoYes, my point.15:37
Robot101telepathy-ring had a lot of code deleted to port it from csd to ofono because the ofono API is much much higher level15:37
alteregoWe need CSD to keep dialer et al working15:37
* SpeedEvil sighs.15:37
alteregoAnyhow, I couldn't care less about this tbh, if it's in meego ..15:38
alteregoWho cares :P15:38
Robot101unfortunately if you just want to do this in Maemo 5, ie the N900, just forget about telepathy15:38
Robot101you could write a stub CM which went alongside tp-ring15:38
Robot101and exposed just CB channels15:38
Robot101then they would appear through normal conversation UI, etc15:38
Robot101as another "account"15:38
Robot101but really, you could just write a little UI which exposed them15:39
DocScrutinizersounds good enough15:39
jonwilwell the main thing is writing the low level bits15:39
Robot101and spoke directly to csd / plugin / whatever you do15:39
jonwili.e. a CSD plugin15:39
Robot101in meego, what you want to do is support it in ofono and patch it into telepathy-ring15:39
jonwilmeego ofono already supports it15:39
DocScrutinizerwe're talking about maemo though15:39
jonwilno clue if the upper levels handle it or not15:39
DocScrutinizermeego refs just because things of maemo are more foss in meego than here15:40
jonwilFor maemo we need a csd plugin.15:40
jonwilIf we try and talk to the cell modem directly without going through CSD and stuff we would probably conflict with the existing CSD stuff15:42
jonwilbut thats a guess based on what I see in the ofono sources and how it does things15:42
lardmanjonwil: ah, I remembered, it was something to do with swimming :) -
DocScrutinizer(which btw is a rather impolite and insulting behaviour, to open up maemo sources to meego, while maemo community left down)15:42
kpomanhello again to all ! I was having issues yesterday with battery. now it seems better after i logged out skyep15:42
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jonwilyeah its annoying/insulting that the MeeGo repos get source code for some unknown version of the MCE daemon (even though aparently MeeGo isnt even USING MCE) yet Maemo gets nothing :(15:44
DocScrutinizersame for telepathy-ring15:44
DocScrutinizersame for PA15:44
jonwilwhats PA?15:45
DocScrutinizerpolypaudio, errr pulseaudio15:45
jonwilwhats closed source about it in Maemo?15:45
DocScrutinizerquite some bits15:45
DocScrutinizeressential bits15:46
Termanaquite some important bits15:46
Termanaif you do not submit yourself to the evil closed source pulseaudio modules you can make your speakers stop working15:46
DocScrutinizermeego however just needs to mumble "might get difficult" and Nokia opens up all they want15:47
MohammadAG    if(name == "is-seekable")15:47
MohammadAG        emit static_cast<MafwRendererAdapter*>(user_data)->mediaIsSeekable(true);15:47
MohammadAGffs what's wrong with it15:47
MohammadAGand what's with the casts15:47
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jonwilThe only bits I can see that are closed are module-policy-enforcement, module-nokia-voice, module-nokia-record and module-nokia-music15:47
* MohammadAG pokes alterego 15:47
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OkropNickAnyone knows how to send SMS from N900 using X-Terminal?15:47
MohammadAGand bluetooth I think15:47
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: wouldn't that be strcmp() rather than ==15:47
jonwilMy guess is that its the "module-nokia" bits that are the "important" bits being referred to15:48
DocScrutinizeror is that another overloaded shit15:48
DocScrutinizerof qt15:48
MohammadAGQt* :P15:48
DocScrutinizerOkropNick: yes, see wiki15:48
DocScrutinizerand tmo15:48
OkropNickDocScrutinizer: thx15:49
DocScrutinizerphonecontrol might be a start15:49
jonwilheh, something else that I just found that seems to be closed in Maemo and open in MeeGo, tone-generator15:51
DocScrutinizerthat's known :-)15:52
jonwilAlthough like other bits, it was probably opened up because the telephony stack was now open so it is possible to open up things that talk to the telephony stack15:52
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ta, strcmp worked15:53
jonwil but yeah I see what you mean about pulseaudio, all the closed bits appear to have been opened up in MeeGo15:54
DocScrutinizernot all but a lot15:54
jonwilwhich bits weren't opened then?15:54
DocScrutinizerit's fsckng embarrassing15:55
DocScrutinizerxprot afaik15:55
DocScrutinizerthough I guess they will open up that one as well, not to kill speakers of N900 with meego -bad publicity ;-P15:55
jonwilI think AFAIK the only closed piece required to get a booting system with MeeGo is BME15:57
BCMMyou need BME to boot?15:57
jonwilyou need it to get a usable system that wont wreck your hardware15:57
DocScrutinizerbasically not, for the first time :-P15:58
BCMMDocScrutinizer: heh.15:58
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alteregoInteresting: "please enter your paypal email address if you wish to receive donations or charge for applications15:58
DocScrutinizeryou'll love to have it (or jrbme bit they seem reluctant to touch it with a 10 feet pole) when your battery runs flat and meego is your main system15:59 is more like facebook ..15:59
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DocScrutinizer(reluctant about jrbme) no wonder, as it's neither Nokia genuine crap nor UPSTREAM :-S16:01
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MohammadAGlol alterego16:02
DocScrutinizerwb GeneralAntilles16:02
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: what's your take on 8347?16:02
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jonwillooks like my efforts may be a kickstarter towards more general discussions regarding telephony on the N900 :)16:03
Jaffaandre__: poke about Bugzilla best practice re:
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: absolutely. You made things move quite a bit during few days. Much appreciated16:04
jonwilI have a habit of comming into forums and communities and doing cool stuff :)16:04
* andre__ takes a look16:04
DocScrutinizerjonwil: hehehe16:04
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: good! :-D16:04
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jonwilI also have a habit of finding obscure stuff on Google that helps people out16:07
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jonwiland I am VERY good with reverse engineering16:08
jonwilon x86 at least16:08
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DocScrutinizer\o/ netsplit16:08
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jonwilI have lost count of the number of file formats (mostly game related) I have reverse engineered (or helped reverse engineer) in my time16:08
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MohammadAGI hate small netsplits16:09
MohammadAGit's the big ones that matter16:09
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* lolcat reverse ingeneers jonwil 16:09
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DocScrutinizerI wonder how many ended in ##overflow16:10
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alteregoVote for my app plox16:10
lolcatalterego: arrgh!16:11
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MohammadAGalterego, vote up or down?16:11
alteregoYou vote up, because I'm sure DocScrutinizer will vote down :P16:11
DocScrutinizerhahahahaha, nooooway16:11
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it lacks a symlink to /usr/bin16:12
DocScrutinizeryou should know me by now, I don't klick random URLs16:12
MohammadAG<-- uber asshole16:12
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lardmanis it possible for init to start another instance of init e.g. use init in a initramfs to start init on a flash partition?16:15
lardmanI'm thinking of exec'ing the second init so that the first blocks16:15
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alteregoqt-apps also has integrated donate ..16:16
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alteregoDonate and I'll add proper platform support for PATH and
* alterego chuckles16:17
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alteregoHas it got a 100 dollar bill on the end?16:18
alteregoOtherwise I'm not interested.16:18
MohammadAGno, but it has a painful end16:18
* MohammadAG giggles16:18
alteregoDamnit you16:19
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MohammadAGlardman, perv16:19
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alteregoI might write an app and sell it on there.16:19
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alteregoqt-apps allows you to sell apps to btw.16:19
MohammadAGalterego, nah16:19
MohammadAGalterego, sell it on ebay16:19
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MohammadAGsometimes, I feel Nokia rm -rf'd Maemo5's source code16:20
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MohammadAGso that's why they're closing bugs about opening components16:20
alteregowtf is going on ..16:20
MohammadAGkids + scripts = retarded IRC16:20
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lardmanMohammadAG: I was thinking more along the lines of a Yari, but each to his own interpretation16:21
MohammadAGlardman, I know xP16:21
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JaffaMohammadAG: Gitorious stuff disappearing?16:21
DocScrutinizerwhat's wrong with IRC?16:22
JaffaMohammadAG: Doesnt matter :-)16:22
ZogGho \o/16:23
ZogGMohammadAG, have you bricked your ps3 with wanikoko's CFW btw? =)16:23
DocScrutinizer\o/ konqui segfailted on maps.google16:23
MohammadAGthe scene is retarded, I'm staying away from it16:23
lolcatMohammadAG: Do you play zombies?16:24
MohammadAGhow do I make a lib?16:26
MohammadAGI could keep on including the .h files in each source but it's not practical for more than 2 sources16:26
alteregoTEMPLATE = lib16:27
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alteregolook at librxsopport or libcolumbus16:27
infobotalterego meant: look at librxsupport or libcolumbus16:27
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alteregoNo one is voting :(16:31
DocScrutinizerhah, segailted is a nice new word :-P16:32
DocScrutinizeryou got no symlink to /usr/bin :-P16:32
lcuk2can they put the app on their devices easily?16:32
lcuk2form the link you specified16:32
lcuk2and are people voting at downloads?16:33
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alteregolcuk: it's not in downloads because it's not in extras yet.16:34
alteregolcuk: the download link I should set to an .install file when v1 is released and in extras16:34
alteregoBut there are a few little creases that need ironing out before that.16:35
* lcuk gets iron16:35
alteregoAt the moment the download link just links to the packages page.16:35
lcukyou are not the only one alterego :)16:35
lcuktheres many apps currently not rollered from -devel onwards16:36
alteregolcuk: in the competition?16:36
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lcukalterego, which competition?16:36
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alteregoThat's why I've stuck it on there :)16:37
* lardman knows the feeling of not moving on from -devel16:37
alteregoWell, I've got my other apps into extras :P16:37
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alteregoBut I try to keep strict functional requirements.16:37
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alteregoSo I have landmark releases, I've pushed to -testing a stable version though, which leaves -devel open for more bleeding edge brokenness.16:38
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lcuklardman, yeah theres lots of hard tweaking time required16:38
lardmanlcuk: I'm pretty much ready, but can't test atm, so waiting to see what the warranty people say16:38
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lcuklardman, yeah16:43
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lardmanI must check they've picked it up actually16:44
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DocScrutinizerpromoting system is fubar for updates16:49
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DocScrutinizerotoh this got discussed ad nauseum and there seems to be no general solution to the problem. Only devel knows (or should know) if the fixes applied might have major impact or not, and voting is all about supervising the devels16:51
MohammadAGwhat's a unit32 in C?16:52
DocScrutinizeran unsigned 32bit integer16:52
DocScrutinizer( -1 )16:53
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alteregounsigned nokia internet tablet 32bit actually16:55
alteregoDocScrutinizer, I think, means means a _uint32_16:55
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DocScrutinizerooh, my bad16:58
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MohammadAGdbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer string:volume17:02
MohammadAGcan someone try that?17:02
* alterego has a funny idea,17:02
alteregoI could implement taht steam wankers applications and charge him for it.17:02
alteregoWell, charge for the application.17:02
MohammadAGdon't use steam, so sure, why not17:03
alteregoYeah, I don't use it either.17:03
MohammadAGbut I get 70% for coming up with the idea17:03
lardmanI use steam, but not the chat thing17:03
alteregoIt's not chat he wants, he wants a widget/app to monitor his statistics.17:03
lardmansomeone's presumably reversed the protocol for an iPhone app, so go for it17:04
MohammadAGyou might be thinking I didn't come up with the idea17:04
alteregoAnd find out if his mates are currently playing and what/where they are playing.17:04
lardmanoh right17:04
MohammadAGbut if I wasn't here, who knows how the fabric of time would've went17:04
lardmansame difference really17:04
alteregoI can't be arsed with implementing chat.17:04
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fralsisnt that info available from the steamcommunty user page?17:04
lardmanI thought so17:04
alteregoBut if I did it'd be a telepathy plugin obviously :)17:04
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: what's that dbus cruft supposed to do?17:04
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, print volume level17:04
lardmanperhaps wrap a html display widget in a Qt app and display that page :D17:04
MohammadAGError org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name was not provided by any .service files17:05
MohammadAGthink I fucked something up17:05
DocScrutinizer   string "volume"17:05
DocScrutinizer   variant       uint32 8617:05
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MohammadAGthen I did fuck something up17:05
* MohammadAG sighs17:05
MohammadAGlol alterego, 100 pounds, seriously? :P17:06
DocScrutinizertry one of the advanced dbus tools, e.g mdbus217:07
DocScrutinizerit has tab-completion17:07
alteregoI guess it'll take acouple of hours.17:07
lardmanyou should charge more per hour17:07
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it worked for you17:08
MohammadAGand probably for anyone who'd try it17:08
DocScrutinizer(I heard mdbus2 is currently broken, so dunno what's state of things for maemo)17:08
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MohammadAGI just borked something on my device17:08
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MohammadAGand whenever someone mentions something breaking, javispedro pops in17:08
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MohammadAGmorning javispedro17:09
* javispedro breaks MohammadAG17:09
DocScrutinizerooh, I got it as you've replaced by your own implementation17:09
MohammadAGI broke it, somehow17:09
MohammadAGI just called watch on the dbus command17:09
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: id17:09
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I've sent this as root, though I gather it's session bus17:10
DocScrutinizerso I dunno17:10
DocScrutinizershould have failed for me :-P17:11
DocScrutinizerroot's not supposed to access session bus per se17:11
MohammadAGit would fail if you use sudo gainroot ;)17:12
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DocScrutinizeractually I learnt that from venemo yesterday17:12
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DocScrutinizermy boston script failed, as he used sudo gainroot17:13
DocScrutinizernot Boston17:13
DocScrutinizerthat's another minor detail that needs urgently get cleaned in h-e-n17:14
DocScrutinizerand jrbme will actually clean that17:14
DocScrutinizerso the GUI can run without root priv17:14
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MohammadAGhow do I reverse a commit?17:28
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lcukMohammadAG, afaik you do not delete history, merely revert to before the bad commit and repush or some sort of combination thereof17:29
MohammadAGI know, that's what I'm asking17:30
MohammadAGthere's a git reverse command or whatever17:30
lcukso checkout the previous commit17:30
MohammadAGgit revert I think17:30
lardmanI think you might have to rebase off the commit beforehand17:30
lardmanbut I'm not a git guru17:30
MohammadAGgit revert <commit number> is enough17:32
MohammadAGit even auto commits :D17:32
lardmanah I must be thinking of svn then17:32
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Venemo_N900I got myself a powered usb hub17:38
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Venemo_N900but didn't find a usb-to-vga adapter :(17:38
DocScrutinizer51usb to vga? :-o17:39
MohammadAGIt's called DisplayLink :P17:40
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DocScrutinizer51yeah, and it's a crap concept17:41
MohammadAGwhat's "bora"17:41
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MohammadAGisn't that diablo17:41
DocScrutinizer51and harldy an adapter in my book17:41
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DocScrutinizer51bora bora bora - japans 'jeronimo' of WW217:42
DocScrutinizer51or was that banzai17:43
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DocScrutinizer51anyway, 8 f'ing MB TX during 7h, for nothing but HAM and IRC17:44
DocScrutinizer51RX 4MB17:44
DocScrutinizer51I guess it's time for tcpdump17:45
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: read the code names wiki page I linked yesterday17:51
MohammadAGI'm just amazed bora is in debian/changelog for the fremantle vte17:52
MohammadAGshows how much they care about debian packaging17:52
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: bora is some old maemo codename, I think Maemo 3.0 maybe17:52
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: 4.0 is chinook and 4.1 is diablo17:53
alteregoSomethings don't change much :P17:53
MohammadAGah right17:53
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trxMohammadAG i installed your .deb from here it works great but i lost that ability to open keyboard and start typing and it would open contacts17:55
trxleft/right arrows change screens tho17:55
MohammadAGread mhd's documentation17:56
trxis there a way to get that back without uninstalling the .deb?17:56
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alteregoBollocks, I have to submit Columbus to Ovi to get into the competition.17:57
MohammadAGyou SHOULD NOT uninstall system debs17:57
MohammadAGalterego, I'd rather stay out of the competition if that's the case, but that's just me :)17:57
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alterego10k possible prize though ..17:57
trxMohammadAG tnx for the tip17:57
alteregoOr an N900 for the top 5 runner ups17:58
MohammadAGI'd resist17:58
MohammadAGthis is Ovi we're talking about :)17:58
chem|ststill waiting for my testers surprise package...17:59
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JaffaOh happy day:
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anideljaffa: indeed!18:14
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alteregoI'm going to wait for lollo to write his steam app, then I'm going to do it better.18:19
* alterego chuckles18:19
lardmandamn, UPS turned up before the office opened at work18:21
alteregoThat's lame18:22
alteregoWas it your N900? :D18:22
lardmanwaiting to go18:22
* lardman has rescheduled for tomorrow, I do hope they turn up early as I have to invigilate an exam in the afternoon18:23
DocScrutinizer51why do I get server not found?18:23
alteregoDocScrutinizer51: because it's pastebin.com18:24 sounds like something from the 90s18:25 is meh :P18:25
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MohammadAGthere's no pastieit script ;)18:25
DocScrutinizer51ping: bad address ''18:25
alteregoDocScrutinizer51: can you ping google.com18:26
alteregoBecause it works for me :P18:26
DocScrutinizerI can ping ct.de18:26
DocScrutinizerbut nor google.com18:26
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DocScrutinizerfsckng dnsmasq or whatever it's called is screwed up again18:27
DocScrutinizersecond time in a few days - I wonder how to investigate and fix this for good18:28
MohammadAG :)18:28
DocScrutinizernow that I think about it, HAM said all catalogs weren't available prior to my last boot some 8h ago18:29
DocScrutinizerso actually 3ed time18:29
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DocScrutinizersth with my wlan is severely fsckd up18:32
javispedrobunch of pirates18:32
* javispedro sighs18:32
DocScrutinizerswitching to 3G, ping ok, switching back to wlan, bad address18:33
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DocScrutinizernevertheless it works on my laptop in same LAN18:33
javispedroDocScrutinizer: time to lose the uptime record? :)18:33
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-18 17:29:23] <DocScrutinizer> now that I think about it, HAM said all catalogs weren't available prior to my last boot some 8h ago18:34
MohammadAGthat is uptime record18:34
MohammadAGyou seriously expected more on maemo?18:34
javispedroyes. mine is 3 minutes larger.18:34
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DocScrutinizerfsck, that doesn't help at all18:35
alteregoMy uptime is 15:2218:35
alteregoSo, not even a day :D18:35
alteregoOkay, added an "About" dialog to columbus18:35
alteregoNow finishing of the routing infrastructure.18:35
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DocScrutinizerthanks for the help18:36
javispedroDocScrutinizer: it's weird, sure it's a dnsmasq FAIL? can you ping the dns server and all that?18:36
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: you can also check /var/run/resolv.conf.wlan018:39
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MohammadAGalterego, screenshot of about? :P18:40
* javispedro twitches slightly while reading how dnsmasq decides which server to forward queries to18:41
alteregoIt's just four labels, hang on18:41
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alteregoI just wanted a dialog to show the version tbh18:43
ananasspreak german pls?18:43
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alteregoananas: No, this is an English channel sorry.18:43
MohammadAGlemme guess, you're using QApplication to show those? :)18:43
alteregoIch sprechen nicht Deutsch.18:43
alteregoSo I only have to worry about two places to enter version information.18:44
MohammadAGmake the website part clickable18:44
MohammadAGthere's debian/changelog :P18:44
alteregoMohammadAG: yes, I'm counting that idiot :P18:44
ananasok alterego darf ich dir eine frage stellen ?18:45
alteregoThat's the second place.18:45
alteregoananas: English please :P18:45
lardmanananas: go for it18:45
alteregoSprechen sie English!18:45
MohammadAGalterego, you speak dutch since when exactly? :P18:45
MohammadAGor german, whatever18:45
alteregoMohammadAG: Since about, erm, 15 years ago?18:46
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alteregoCrap, I should probably think about getting dinner and such ready.18:46
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lardmanananas: was ist deine Frage?18:47
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lardmanit actually means pineapple18:48
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MohammadAGhey, that's the same as arabic :P18:49
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lardmanMohammadAG: well you guys have been around for a while and I guess pineapples didn't develop in northern Europe too18:50
* MohammadAG wonders what "f" means18:50
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lardmanfew ?18:50
MohammadAGfew, or you're starting to swear a lot18:50
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ananasok have a problem with my nokia n900  and i would like to reinstall meamo for application storage memory combine with the nokia n900 is the possible?18:53
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lardmanyou want to reinstall Maemo, I don't quite get the application storage part, do you want to overwrite this?18:54
alteregoananas: do you want to restore it to the state it was when you bought it? Losing all data?18:56
ananasmom pls18:56
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ananasno. i would like to delete everything and a swap and a root partition and no application memory19:03
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ananasI want more than 2gb can install programs.so19:04
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ananasis that possible19:05
trip0i would like lots of app memory and no swap19:05
trip0swap is slow19:05
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* lcuk watches pahartik watching drone being operated in the wrong irc channel --->>> #meego me thinks ;)19:08
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chem|stananas: you need to repartition to get more application space19:08
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pahartiklcuk: But I am at meeting because of Maemo, not because of MeeGo...19:09
lcukpahartik, is there meeting info on website somewhere?  or is this adhoc?19:10
chem|stananas: you cannot flash rootfs without it loosing all information on installed applications even with the data still available in the 2GB storage19:10
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pahartiklcuk: Document at ""19:12
lcuksuch an easy to remember url19:12
lcukjust rolls off the tongue :P19:13
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lcukUnable to connect19:13
lcukFirefox can't establish a connection to the server at
lcuk    *   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few19:13
lcuk          moments.19:13
MohammadAGso I can't change volume19:13
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pahartiklcuk: Maybe your IPv6 routing failed19:13
MohammadAGand the mediaplayer lacks the now playing icon and saying "Unable to perform operation"19:14
lcukpahartik, probably because I do not have ipv6 routing on this machine19:14
pahartiklcuk: At moment I do not have IPv4 routing on my workstation...19:15
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ananasok thanks19:16
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Jarocksms service buggy?19:21
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kpomanhi again !19:23
JarockI am not receiving sms :-(19:23
kpomanI can confirm today that skype really kills the battery19:23
kpomansomeone tested with its n95, it killed its battery. I tested yesterday and got about 5h of autonomy, today, without skype, I have already 9h and am still at 50%19:24
andre__Jarock: basic info such as provider might help tracking down. At least in my part of the world SMS system has not collapsed yet.19:24
pahartiklcuk: MeeGo is interesting mostly because I assume new non-wintel devices to run Debian GNU/Linux may appear as result of that... Also, porting applications of Meego to Maemo is most likely future of Maemo...19:24
kpomantoo bad skype doesnt fix that19:24
kpomanor at least offer a low network usage mode or whatever19:24
javispedroit depends on skype's network mood19:25
Corsacpahartik: except that MeeGo has pretty much nothing to do with Debian19:26
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JarockMy provider is "Debitel" and I receive no sms :-(19:26
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pahartikCorsac: Agreed... But if devices are open enough, Debian GNU/Linux can be installed19:27
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blogbastiHey, is it possible to get an older kernel for N900 than current 2.6.28-omap1? I have random sw_rst-crashes with "PC is at eventpoll_release_file+0x1c/0x78" Messages in /dev/mtd219:30
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pahartikCorsac: On side note, I might be tempted to buy Android device if I was convinced that Debian GNU/Linux runs on it reasonably well, even though Android is not interesting to me19:31
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kpomanis there any push notification for n900 ?19:37
DocScrutinizerallegedly yes, though nobody explained to me yet how that's supposed to work19:38
kpomansomething able to push notifications and use less battery19:38
kpomanbut still have connected IM and Voip19:38
DocScrutinizeryou can't push thru a NAT19:38
DocScrutinizerGSM GPRS is usually NATted19:38
MrBawbDocScrutinizer: good reason to upgrade to ipv6! :)19:39
kpomanDocScrutinizer:I do have a real ip apparently right now19:39
MrBawbkpoman: who is your provider?19:39
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kpomanDocScrutinizer: do you know if there is a server app I could install on my gateway to act as a push notification server ? I mean an opensource app or whatever compatible with maemo ? :p19:39
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DocScrutinizerallegedly nokia messaging does push19:40
DocScrutinizerI never even tested it19:41
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kpomanDocScrutinizer: it would be very interesting as an opensourced application19:42
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kpomanso anyone can install on its gateway or trust some serious service provider, compatible with many protocols19:42
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MohammadAGI broke mafw19:43
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slonopotamushow i create finger-sized check buttons as in preferences->profiles?19:47
MohammadAGwhich UI?19:47
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slonopotamushildon, of course19:47
slonopotamushildon_check_button_new(HILDON_SIZE_AUTO) results in smaller one19:48
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slonopotamusto be more exact, i get buttons that look like ones in pygtkeditor preferences19:49
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_berto_slonopotamus: HILDON_SIZE_FINGER_HEIGHT19:55
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lcuk_berto_, \o great that igalia and claudio are expanding on hildon19:56
slonopotamus_berto_: will try...19:56
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_berto_lcuk: thanks :)19:57
javispedrolcuk: thanks for the news!19:59
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* alterego contemplates his database schema.20:04
* MohammadAG cries over lost unsaved modifications20:04
alteregoI want to use a foreign key, but will QtSql handle this how I want it to handle it :/20:04
MohammadAGwhy! why! did I save them to /root20:04
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alteregoHrm, this modification is going to require a schema change in the current version.20:07
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alteregoWhich means I'll have to add this into my packaging, or, have people lose any waypoints they currently have set.20:08
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MohammadAGalterego, too possibilities, you either break now, or later20:14
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MohammadAGthink about it :P20:14
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lcukalterego, systems have been upgrading local data stores to new versions for as long as app have data.  learning how to migrate said data is something all developers have to do at some point or other.20:16
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javispedrothat or have been calling their products "beta" for years =)20:17
lcukjavispedro, even those have similar requirements20:17
lcukit just depends upon utility20:17
lcukjavispedro, also, an extra magic trick is backwards compatible data creation ;)20:18
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alteregoI'm fully familiar with migrations :P20:18
lcukget it right the first time and even with whole generations of apps inbetween the data format remains resiliant enough to operate with older apps20:18
alteregoI'm just used to doing them with a nice framework like rails ^.^20:18
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer: opinion? As in how likely I believe Nokia will even bother to read it?20:22
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DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: well, even that. tekojo said he'll look at it and see what he can do. So there are chances20:36
DocScrutinizer51just seen you commented that ticket with a good URL20:37
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rm_workDocScrutinizer, weren't you sending me a resume? :P20:39
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DocScrutinizer51hmm, I made up my mind I don't like work on oil drilling stations20:40
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51: so long ago I don't even remember. *g*20:47
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ieatlintoooh, starbucks is bringing out a new 916ml cup size here20:59
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mikki-kunuhhh, is this a bug? my n900 is shwing the "slider-lock" screen, but when i use test-input i can type and also send it21:05
mikki-kuni mean when i input text via the keyboard21:06
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korhojoafrals, hey. i've got fmms crashing on start, do you have any tips on how to figure out what's wrong?21:12
Jaffakorhojoa: Run from terminal21:12
trxif i want to upload a package to the extras-devel, do the binaries have to be built using the autobuilder(does autobuilder just build packages or compiles too?)?21:12
korhojoaI've done that, it doesn't print any output21:12
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korhojoait does run then though, but it just has the spinning 'something going on'-wheel21:12
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lardmanieatlint: that is a looooot of coffee21:18
rm_workDocScrutinizer51: that's convenient, we don't do production, just refining and transport :P no drilling here21:18
jacekowskitrx: building == compiling21:19
jacekowskitrx: but it all depends how you write rules for it21:19
ieatlintlardman: yeah, a paper decided to give info about the human stomach when posting the news of it... apparently the average human stomach can hold 900ml (but expands to 2l-4l, depending on person, or probably 5l for americans ;)21:19
MohammadAG2GBs of debs, cleared!21:19
jacekowskifap fap fap21:19
* MohammadAG cries21:19
javispedrothat's why I use the builtin ham!21:19
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trxjacekowski my app is compiled with fpc (pascal), i doubt that autobuilder has it... the only way for me is to include the binary... is that allowed?21:20
trxi created a working .deb21:20
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: i have 34G     /home/maemo/mirror21:21
fralskorhojoa: run from terminal and pastebin output21:21
jacekowskiMohammadAG: 34G of debs21:21
jacekowskitrx: it has21:21
jacekowskitrx: autobuilder can have anything you want21:21
jacekowskitrx: just write rules for it21:21
jacekowskitrx: Build-Depends: fpc21:21
jacekowskitrx: for example21:21
MohammadAGjacekowski, those aren't on your N90021:21
jacekowskibut you can install them21:22
MohammadAGI had 2GBs on my N90021:22
trxjacekowski oh, tnx for the tip21:22
jacekowskitrx: as long as it's in repo21:22
jacekowskitrx: you can use it in autobuilder21:22
jacekowskitrx: if it isn't up it to repo first21:22
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jacekowskii want HP slate21:23
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korhojoafrals, wtf? i ran it over ssh, and now it spat out text?21:23
korhojoait didn't do this earlier. anyway, it complained about not having permissions for /tmp/fmms.log and when i chmod'd that to 777, now it works fine21:23
jacekowskithey released it21:23
jacekowskii was thinking that hp slate is abandoned21:24
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javispedrojacekowski: yeah, on the expensivish side though21:25
jacekowskii think i'll go for archos tablet in that case21:26
jacekowskibut i'm not sure what i would use it for21:26
jacekowskibut i want it just for coolnes factor of it21:26
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trxhmm, jacekowski im not sure i understand, i can upload fpc to repos, and autobilder will use it to compile my source? (fpc is a compiler like gcc)21:30
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jacekowskibut i think fpc is already in repository21:33
jacekowskitrx: you just have to tell autobuilder to install it21:34
jacekowskitrx: because what happens during building is21:34
jacekowskitrx: autobuilder unpacks fresh os image21:34
jacekowskitrx: then install all stuff from your build-depends21:34
jacekowskithen starts building21:34
trxthats cool21:35
trxthank you21:35
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javispedroengadget would pan it just for being on omap321:42
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javispedrowell, or maybe not.21:46
Jaffajavispedro: The rumours for an MWC release (or, rather, announce) seem to be growing21:46
Jaffajavispedro: They would, cos it's not an "A8" like the iPhone 521:46
javispedroApple is probably going to call it the A521:47
javispedroor some other blogger-confusing name.21:47
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Jaffajavispedro: I'd be very impressed if, in the time available, they@ve not just uber-simplified the UI, but also changed the fundaments of the h/w21:48
javispedroaha! a rumour about Apple going for Qualcomm too.21:49
javispedrolet's count... rumours about Nokia, about Palm...21:50
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: pondering what I learned about how autobuilder works, I'm of course immediately starting to figure how to make it run into an endless dependency circle :-D22:02
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DocScrutinizerjust like >A Build-Depends: B;  B Build-Depends: A22:03
DocScrutinizermeh, seems I'm bored22:04
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jacekowskiit will just fail22:06
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jacekowskibecause that package will not be in repository22:06
DocScrutinizererrr, my N900 has a tag "ARM cortex A8"22:06
jacekowskiso it can't install it22:06
jacekowskisince day it was manufacture22:07
DocScrutinizerre: <Jaffa> javispedro: They would, cos it's not an "A8"22:07
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: slashdot and other newssites confused Apple's "A4" marketing with ARM's Cortex series naming22:10
javispedromayhem ensued22:10
javispedroand a lot of laughs22:10
javispedroand jokes :)22:10
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alteregoI always knew that'd blow up in their faces.22:12
DocScrutinizerwell, as long as they don't mix it up with Audi cars22:13
ZogG \o/ sup22:13
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MohammadAGX-Fade, ping22:15
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MohammadAGjavispedro, I can haz it?22:30
RST38hjavispedro: webos tsblet renders out22:31
javispedrosaw it on engadget, RST38h22:32
javispedroboth 7-inch and 9-inch22:32
javispedrounknown specs, assumed qualcomm22:32
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summelhi. is the current version 20.2010.36-2 for N900?22:38
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summeli thought it supported wpa2 oO22:38
summelbut i dont have that in the list22:39
summeland it does not even see my wpa2 network22:39
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trx <-- if anyone is in need of such an app22:40
javispedrothat is weird, it does support wpa22:40
summeli thought so too22:40
trxlater i intend to "link" it with compilers...22:40
summelbecause i remember using it on the wpa2 enterprise network of the university22:40
summeli try turning it off and on again :o22:41
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summelbtw does anybody want to buy an N900?22:42
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summel(german keyboard layout)22:42
trxsummel try to create a connection manually, and in its advanced options/other there is something like "wpa2 only"22:43
summeltrx: i did but i only have none, wep and wpa22:43
trxnever tried that, just saw it there..22:43
summelno wpa222:43
* alterego looks for a useful xml resource to wrap in QML22:43
trxchoose wpa22:43
trxand test that option..22:43
summelbut it is wpa2 :O22:43
alteregoIf anyone has any suggestions ;)22:43
summelbut i will try22:43
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summeli have a randomly generated 20 character long password though :S22:44
summelit will take a time to try :D22:44
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MohammadAGalterego, maraxim did, sec22:45
MohammadAGmarxian*, whatever :P22:46
summelok i added the connection manually22:46
summelhow do i tell it to use it?22:46
summelit still does not show up in the list22:46
MohammadAGif I understood you correctly :p22:47
summeland there is no "connect" button in the connections list22:47
alteregoI've already done all the research for that22:47
alteregoDidn't you read my posts? :P22:47
MohammadAGno :)22:48
alteregoWell, they've all stolen my work :P22:48
summelany ideas? :(22:48
merlin1991before they add steam I want xfire :D22:48
summelis it a problem that i dont have a sim installed atm?22:49
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alteregoDo we have any amazon apps22:51
MohammadAGa homescreen widget only22:52
alteregoHrmm, lame22:52
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summel:S i want my wifi23:11
summelhow am i supposed to do software updates/install software? :(23:12
TsuyoHey, does someone here uses the QtMobility Framework? I try to use the "geo" feature. I wanted to use the QGeoAddress. How can i convert my QGeoPosition from onPositionUpdated  into QGeoAddress?23:12
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summeloh my23:20
summeli know what the problem is23:20
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summelmy wifi is 5GHz only23:20
makulkarhi all, my scratchbox says "apt-get" is not a command. What have I messed?23:21
summelis that a problem? :o23:21
Appiahnot root? :)23:21
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MohammadAGroot doesn't matter, apt-get is in /usr/bin23:22
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makulkarMohammadAG, Appiah inside scratchbox that is. I need to update/upgrade scratchbox23:23
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summelyes :(23:23
makulkarwhen I started settin up, i could use apt-get but it was complaining CPUTRANS was not set.23:24
ShadowJKbug 1179823:24
povbotBug agps no longer works due to server changes23:24
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RST38hWhat? Really?23:24
RST38hAh, that is poor little N81023:24
ShadowJKN900 is next!23:25
RST38hForgotten by its evil parents23:25
DocScrutinizerThat's just bad enough23:25
RST38hShadowJK: Doesn't Google provide an alterntive agps server?23:25
ShadowJKRST38h, doesn't work with google23:25
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alteregoI'd still use my N810 if it still worked :)23:26
ShadowJKI imagine if you're in the US somewhere you'd get served that one working nokia server :)23:26
ShadowJK(they probably forgot US exists again, and didn't upgrade the server to new incompatible version)23:27
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RST38hNobody has established a third party server so far?23:27
* DocScrutinizer checks if his spare N810 still is covered by warranty23:28
MohammadAGRST38h, 429 users here, how many of them are active ;)23:28
trx29 i would guess ;)23:28
_trinepresent Sir23:29
alteregoNot even that :P23:29
ShadowJKI'd still be using N810 gps if my wayfinder license hadn't expired23:29
MohammadAGyeah, alterego doesn't talk a lot, make that 2823:29
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DocScrutinizerUS exists again? :-D23:34
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rm_worki'm still here! technically23:35
RST38hah, helo rm_work23:36
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MohammadAGPR1.3's hildon-desktop is from July 13th :/23:45
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_trinesince I upgraded to pr1.3 I have had little or no updates, prior to upgrading when I was on pr1.2 updates were frequent. Are there less updates now or do I have something wrong?23:58
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MohammadAGnope, some devs got pissed off, that's it23:59

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