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| andre__ | Robotnixon: what is BBM or whatsapp? maybe describe the functionality instead? | 00:01 |
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| MohammadAG | andre__, BlackBerry Messenger is BBM | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG | WhatsApp is a rip off, imo | 00:03 |
| Robotnixon | yup | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | you need internet on both devices, and you send SMSs | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | "SMSs" | 00:03 |
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| MohammadAG | having skype/MSN or another IM is equal to the functionality | 00:03 |
| Robotnixon | exactly | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | but sadly, fart apps are successful on iPhones, so it became a trend | 00:03 |
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| andre__ | so basically Avahi/Bonjour/Zeroconf? | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's not called IM to the user, it's called SMS | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | from a technical point of view... | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | they're the same | 00:04 |
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| andre__ | ah, so basically Avahi/Bonjour/Zeroconf with some string changes (s/IM/SMS/)? :-P | 00:04 |
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| MohammadAG | yep | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | oh and they take your mobile number and full name to make your "username" | 00:06 |
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| Robotnixon | I would rather use something like msn or skype anyday | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | others search for your username using the number stored on the server | 00:06 |
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| MohammadAG | it's like a mini-facebook privacy-wise | 00:06 |
| Robotnixon | but seeing that "the world" is no inclined to that kinna stuff | 00:06 |
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| Robotnixon | and all of my "normal" friends have blackberrys and are constantly using bbm | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | you need new friends :P | 00:07 |
| Robotnixon | i figured there is nothing really stoping the n900 from gaining that funtionality right? | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, except BlackBerry M. being for BlackBerries, and WhatsApp being closed source | 00:08 |
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| MohammadAG | you need to ask the companies to come up with an app, and seeing how development is discouraged on Maemo 5, it's a lost cause | 00:09 |
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| MohammadAG | unless they do it in Qt for MeeGo etc etc | 00:09 |
| Robotnixon | well we dont really need one | 00:09 |
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| Robotnixon | I mean find another phone that has all the proticals built in so seamlessly like on the n900 | 00:10 |
| Robotnixon | I honestly just want to be able to laugh at there dumb phone message system by showing them that I can run it on mine | 00:11 |
| Arkenoi | wow. there is software for iVirt that allows reading SMS and IM. iVirt is damn expensive, but.. | 00:11 |
| alterego | I thought BBM was reverse engineered? | 00:13 |
| alterego | At least I could have sworn there was a BBM app for symbian | 00:13 |
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| Arkenoi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_U6FdjVIfs | 00:16 |
| Arkenoi | but $350 for a digital watch.. hell, my watch phone was $150 two years ago. | 00:16 |
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| alterego | Interesting to see all the MeeGo core apps use handcoded UIs | 00:32 |
| * Venemo_N900 tried skype video call today on n900, and it worked | 00:32 | |
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| alterego | Oh, I suppose MTF doesn't work in Qt Designer. | 00:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: mtf doesn't have a designer | 00:32 |
| alterego | Obviously .. | 00:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: and that stuff also precedes QML | 00:34 |
| alterego | Sure, two completely different things though | 00:35 |
| alterego | The fact is, currently MeeGo 1.2 uses MTF | 00:35 |
| alterego | Not QML | 00:35 |
| alterego | So any apps developed for 1.2 should use MTF | 00:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | yes | 00:35 |
| alterego | Despite what anyone says :P | 00:35 |
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| Venemo_N900 | but it also supports qt 4.7 which also supports qml | 00:36 |
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| alterego | MeeGo doesn't support QML yet though | 00:36 |
| alterego | Not really. | 00:36 |
| alterego | Not until Qt Components is released and included. | 00:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | loool | 00:36 |
| alterego | It's fine for the odd app that doesn't need to look and feel like the MeeGo UX | 00:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | ehh | 00:37 |
| alterego | But if you're writing MeeGo UX apps then MTF is the only real option. | 00:37 |
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| Venemo_N900 | ridiculous | 00:37 |
| alterego | And I'm working on a small utility to manage cellular data connections. | 00:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 00:38 |
| javispedro | RST38h: managed to test the non-acrobatic hildon-desktop? | 00:38 |
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| alterego | Interesting, MeeGo seems to automagically absorb service configuration messages :) | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . . | 00:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro: non-acrobatic hildon-desktop | 00:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders why his desktop keeps randomly rebooting when he's not home. | 00:41 | |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro: ? | 00:41 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N900: without the rotation animation | 00:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro: transition disabled? | 00:42 |
| javispedro | no, code removed, in an effort to make it faster... | 00:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | lol | 00:42 |
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| Venemo_N900 | if timeout is set to 0, the transition will be disabled | 00:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | (in transitions.ini) | 00:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro: can I play multiplayer with N900 openttd and pc? | 00:43 |
| javispedro | not really, it will be relayout gtk+ apps 3 times | 00:43 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N900: tell me =) | 00:43 |
| Aranel | Any advices on non-profit hosting? Our website @ MeeGoTurkey is hungry for more RAM (=money) which I don't have. | 00:44 |
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| Venemo_N900 | javispedro: tell what? | 00:44 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N900: if it works | 00:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | Aranel: oh. havent tried | 00:44 |
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| Venemo_N900 | javispedro: couldn't we fix it to relayout only once? | 00:46 |
| javispedro | that's the non-acrobatic h- | 00:46 |
| javispedro | d | 00:46 |
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| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 00:47 |
| javispedro | however, it's not yet acceptably fast. so next step would be to try to see how it invokes xrandr | 00:47 |
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| lardman|home | hmm, broken N900 really is a pita for testing | 00:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:53 |
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| lardman|home | well I'm going to take the lack of a response to mean they don't want it back, so I'll try to send it off to get it repaired | 00:55 |
| alterego | :/ | 00:56 |
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| lardman|home | damn, checking with IMEI it was in warranty, with WLAN MAC it's out of warranty (not unsurprisingly) | 01:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman|: good luck | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman|: where is this warranty checker. | 01:01 |
| kerio | wait, why? | 01:01 |
| kerio | D: | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I feel tempted to send in my n900. | 01:01 |
| kerio | also all N900s are still under warranty, aren't they | 01:01 |
| kerio | i seriously need to fix mine | 01:01 |
| lardman|home | http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/repair/repair/warranty | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I dunno - I am unsure - I thought I rememberred a 1 year warranty | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | but the product page says 2 | 01:02 |
| lardman|home | mine's more than a year old | 01:02 |
| lardman|home | oh right | 01:02 |
| lardman|home | does *#06# work on the N900? | 01:03 |
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| lardman|home | if so, which of the numbers does it give? | 01:03 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lardman|home: try it. it works | 01:04 |
| alterego | IMEI | 01:04 |
| lardman|home | Venemo_N900: phone doesn't work, hence my trying to get it fixes | 01:04 |
| lardman|home | -d | 01:04 |
| lardman|home | alterego: thanks | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 01:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | the original proof of purchase, which clearly indicates the name and address of the seller, the date and place of purchase, the product type and the IMEI or other serial number. | 01:07 |
| lardman|home | ok, with my IMEI it's in warranty | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm fairly sure I don't have that | 01:07 |
| alterego | Apparently mine is still in Warranty :) | 01:07 |
| lardman|home | does one need all of the above? | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It says so on the warranty page you linked | 01:07 |
| lardman|home | hmm, I didn't read the small print | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know how flexible they are. | 01:08 |
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| * alterego begs forum nokia for an N8 | 01:08 | |
| SpeedEvil | They can't legally require something it's not reasonable for you to have though. | 01:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: what for? | 01:08 |
| lardman|home | I guess I should give them a ring and ask then | 01:09 |
| alterego | Cross platform development :P | 01:09 |
| lardman|home | ah, it only says if possible bring a proof of purchase | 01:09 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego: :) | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman:where? | 01:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: yeah I want a symbian device too to port puzzle-master | 01:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: probably the department of applied informatics can lend me one though :) | 01:12 |
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| lardman|home | hmm, filled out the form and it bumped me and is now saying the system is unable to check | 01:21 |
| lardman|home | I'll have to phone them up tomorrow I think | 01:21 |
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| * SpeedEvil checks, and finds his nokia care points are 50 miles away. | 01:22 | |
| SpeedEvil | That's not really very caring. | 01:22 |
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| Venemo_N900 | where do you live SpeedEvil? | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Fife, Scotland. | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | The nearest ones are glasgow/edinburgh | 01:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 01:23 |
| lardman|home | I couldn't get that map thingie to load | 01:24 |
| lardman|home | stuck on "loading Store Types..." | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course, it offers a free download of the new version of ovi maps. | 01:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | bye now guys, and good evening | 01:26 |
| * lardman|home fires up IE as FF4 doesn't seem to like that page | 01:26 | |
| lardman|home | cu Venemo_N900 | 01:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | everyone have a nice day tomorrow :) | 01:26 |
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| alterego | Interesting, so meego test is down using 'rpm' | 01:27 |
| alterego | I wonder if the maemo test uses 'dpkg' | 01:27 |
| * lardman|home heads for bed | 01:32 | |
| lardman|home | will let you know how I get on with Nokia's warranty dept tomorrow | 01:32 |
| alterego | That's annoying .. Wont install my RPM | 01:32 |
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| jacekowski | i spoken once with somebody from scotland with very funny accent | 01:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | Was it welsh? | 01:33 |
| jacekowski | nah it was scottish | 01:34 |
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| Pauly | hi | 01:38 |
| yacc | Just wondered, by does the event database do not store an end_time for outgoing calls? | 01:40 |
| Pauly | trying to port qtwitter to maemo 5 using qt creator but im not sure about depencies | 01:40 |
| yacc | Ok, seperate table, ... | 01:42 |
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| Pauly | is there a way i can build it without dependencies | 01:43 |
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| yacc | Ok, no seperate table, so I still wonder how to get the duration of a call from the events db. | 01:44 |
| Pauly | i see all it needs is qoauth and qca but qca and qoauth are already copiled for maemo 5 but are named with an lib in front of them. | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | just edit debian/control | 01:47 |
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| Pauly | sry as u can see ive really never compile anything | 01:48 |
| Pauly | thank u | 01:48 |
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| * alterego contemplates porting columbus to MeeGo .. | 01:51 | |
| * MohammadAG51 yawns | 01:51 | |
| jacekowski | what's the point | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | meego will be obsolete soon | 01:52 |
| alterego | Neah | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | people said same things about maemo | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | and where are we now | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | same thing will happen to meego | 01:53 |
| alterego | Actually, I always thought Maemo was a research project. | 01:53 |
| alterego | Neah | 01:53 |
| alterego | We've known Maemo was a research project since the get go. | 01:53 |
| Pauly | MohammadAG51: sry again but qt creator wont build the pro file to make debian package? im lost i been reading faqs all day lol | 01:53 |
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| trumee | i am playing some music over bluetooth. How do i find out how much cpu is the bluetooth eating up? | 01:55 |
| Pauly | MohammadAG51 should i be using scratchbox instead? because im running qt creator on windows 7 | 01:55 |
| BCMM | trumee: top? | 01:55 |
| trumee | top is not showing anything related to bluez | 01:55 |
| BCMM | oh | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's what i'm used to | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | (sb) | 01:56 |
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| Pauly | MohammadAG51 i think so cause it should be a simple port because it was already ported to diablo | 01:57 |
| Pauly | and all the dependencies are already compiled for maemo5 | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: why should bluez eat any cpu cycles? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: aiui audio gets streamed to the BT chip quite in a similar way it usually gets streamed to AIC34 soundcard | 02:21 |
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| Pauly | im reading maemo.org maemo5 sdk virtual image wiki trying to figure this out | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: I think that's an image for vmware et al, and afaik it's rather bitrotten and hard to update | 02:26 |
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| jonwil | does anyone know how to send isi/phonet messages to the cell modem on the N900 inside fremantle/maemo? The MeeGo ofono device-specific code for the n900 claims to have cell broadcast SMS code and I want to see if I can get the same to work on the N900 inside fremantle | 02:28 |
| jonwil | e.g. via a libcbsms or something | 02:28 |
| BCMM | jonwil: does anybody actually broadcast those? | 02:30 |
| jonwil | yes | 02:31 |
| jonwil | My operator uses it to broadcast a name for the cell tower | 02:31 |
| BCMM | where? | 02:31 |
| jonwil | which is usually the suburb the tower is in | 02:31 |
| jonwil | or a name like "Perth Airport" | 02:31 |
| BCMM | oh, that's how those work | 02:31 |
| BCMM | my nokia 3410 was able to know the names of cell towers | 02:32 |
| BCMM | sadly, O2 didn't seem to use those, but I saw them abroad a few times | 02:32 |
| BCMM | it was kinda useful | 02:32 |
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| BCMM | i was wondering if i could see those on the n900 (and if t-mobile has them) | 02:32 |
| jonwil | Hence the wish to figure out how to send the isi/phonet messages | 02:32 |
| jonwil | to see if I can replicate the sequence used by the isi modem for cbsms | 02:33 |
| jonwil | I mean the isi modem driver in ofono | 02:34 |
| jonwil | hmmm, maybe I should make a post about my idea. Not sure if it would be better on talk.maemo.org or on the maemo-developers list | 02:35 |
| alterego | definitely maemo-developers :P | 02:36 |
| jonwil | ok | 02:36 |
| jonwil | so maemo-developers is where all the gurus hang out? | 02:36 |
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| alterego | Yeah, pretty much. | 02:37 |
| alterego | Less static from normal users aswell. | 02:37 |
| jonwil | ok, great | 02:37 |
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| jonwil | Given the number of people in here that didnt know what CBSMS was used for, I shall add that bit to my message so its clear why its worth having support for it | 02:42 |
| muellisoft | Ah. I'm going nuts with scratchbox, dh7 and python-setuptools. I am hit by that problem: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/FAQ#When_I_build_my_Python_application_on_Scratchbox.2C_files_are_installed_in_.2Fscratchbox.2F..._How_do_I_modify_Debian_packaging_so_the_correct_Python_interpreter_is_called.3F but following these instructions doesn't fix it. It works locally, but not for the builder. weird | 02:42 |
| Pauly | DocScrutinizer: im trying to compile a qt app for maemo5 | 02:43 |
| muellisoft | I also use debhelper7 which adds another dimension of problems, I feel. | 02:43 |
| javispedro | muellisoft: what's your app's package name? | 02:44 |
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| muellisoft | javispedro: pwnitter. Feel very free to fix it ;-) | 02:44 |
| muellisoft | It's really annoying me. | 02:44 |
| javispedro | unfortunately, I see that the last build was OK? | 02:45 |
| muellisoft | javispedro: the builds are fine ;-) The builder just puts the wrong shebang for some very weird reason | 02:46 |
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| muellisoft | javispedro: any idea? | 02:50 |
| javispedro | keep trying for the time being | 02:53 |
| muellisoft | well. I can't concentrate anymore anyway. So I'm packing up. Thanks anyway. | 02:55 |
| jonwil | ok, I posted to the list regarding my idea for Cell Broadcast SMS | 02:55 |
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| jonwil | and I explained why having CBSMS support would be of value (i.e. cell tower IDs/names) | 02:55 |
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| jonwil | lets hope the gurus can help with some of the deep level know-how required to talk to the cellular modem. | 02:56 |
| javispedro | muellisoft: still there? | 02:56 |
| javispedro | muellisoft: your build-depends are mostly empty, this can't be good. | 02:56 |
| muellisoft | javispedro: yes | 02:56 |
| javispedro | muellisoft: try depending on python2.5-dev or the like | 02:57 |
| Pauly | i cant build anything im soo sad i think im retarded or something | 02:58 |
| javispedro | since you're not installing any version of python, the autobuilder is likely using the SB one (since there's no other one) | 02:58 |
| muellisoft | javispedro: nah. dependencies are fine. It's some scratchbox environment issue. You don't much to "build" Python packages anyway | 02:58 |
| javispedro | muellisoft: try it =) | 02:58 |
| javispedro | muellisoft: you need the python interpreter to install it, as I see. that means it depends on python. | 02:58 |
| muellisoft | hm | 02:59 |
| muellisoft | javispedro: you might have a point. | 02:59 |
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| muellisoft | okay. I'm adding python-runtime | python2.5-runtime as build dependency as Hermes does that as well. | 03:00 |
| muellisoft | And I'm submitting the package and leavign for my bed. | 03:01 |
| javispedro | heh | 03:01 |
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| javispedro | muellisoft: it worked | 03:13 |
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| javispedro | aw, he just left. | 03:13 |
| javispedro | next time I'm requesting payment beforehand :) | 03:14 |
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| javispedro | humm | 03:27 |
| javispedro | someone is mirroring extras-devel | 03:28 |
| javispedro | including non-free. | 03:28 |
| jonwil | I see no reason why N900 cant do CBSMS on Fremantle, everything indicates the kernel and cellmo firmware can do it when MeeGo is installed :) | 03:29 |
| jonwil | its just a matter of writing code for it :P | 03:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | have you tried it on the n900? | 03:32 |
| jonwil | Someone at Nokia wrote code specifically for the n900 that pertains to cbsms. So presumably that person had info that it is compatible and would work. | 03:33 |
| javispedro | not really | 03:33 |
| jonwil | As for actually trying it, that's why I made the list post | 03:33 |
| javispedro | n9 will continue using phonet | 03:33 |
| jonwil | well this code was in a file called n900.c | 03:34 |
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| javispedro | what code? | 03:34 |
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| javispedro | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/ofono/blobs/master/plugins/n900.c | 03:35 |
| jonwil | yeah | 03:35 |
| jonwil | that contains a call to ofono_cbs_create in it | 03:35 |
| jonwil | which is specifically for cell broadcast | 03:35 |
| javispedro | good point. | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | still it might need a cellmo fw update, to work on N900 | 03:38 |
| javispedro | I do not think meego comes with one.. | 03:38 |
| jacekowski | question is | 03:39 |
| jacekowski | what is that cbsms | 03:39 |
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| jacekowski | and what's the point of it | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | which of course would be installable for maemo as well, as soon as it would be published for meego | 03:39 |
| jacekowski | and does any network support it | 03:39 |
| jonwil | its used when towers send a tower name or suburb or postcode or coordinates | 03:39 |
| jonwil | for one thing | 03:39 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: (being pessimistic) internal cellmo fw to put meego ofone to a test; never released publicly | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Many providers use cell-broadcast SMS | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: my thoughts | 03:40 |
| jonwil | We need someone running (or willing to run) MeeGo or ofono on their N900 who can test it out and see what happens, that would answer it once and for all. | 03:40 |
| javispedro | running meego is not a black art these days, see #meego =) | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | though - not intending to be overly pessimistic - I jst say we need an actual test | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | And whos provider sends cbsms | 03:41 |
| jonwil | mine uses cbsms | 03:41 |
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| jonwil | well I posted to the devel list, maybe that will shake something loose | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt | 03:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yu should give meego a try. It's allegedly painless to install dualboot, and you're da man that knows about the meego CBSMS | 03:43 |
| jonwil | isnt there a way to run meego from a memory card? | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:43 |
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| jonwil | got a link to the howto? | 03:44 |
| javispedro | you can run it without flashing the boot loader even, if that's what you mean | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the preferred way | 03:44 |
| javispedro | usual procedure is flash a bootloader the run it from the mmc card | 03:44 |
| javispedro | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd and siblings will reveal sth I guess | 03:45 |
| jonwil | I dont have a memory card reader that reads microsd :( | 03:46 |
| javispedro | oh, you have one | 03:46 |
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| BCMM | jonwil: do you have an n900? | 03:46 |
| jonwil | oh ok, so you can use the N900 to prepare the memory card? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCKNG MEEGO WIKI!!! even case sensitive, not to mention missing index pages, e.g. for > http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 03:47 |
| BCMM | even if you can't, doesn't it export the uSD slot as USB mass storage? | 03:47 |
| jonwil | but that doesnt let you run fdisk etc on it | 03:47 |
| javispedro | it dos | 03:48 |
| javispedro | es | 03:48 |
| BCMM | you can't run fdisk on MSC devices? | 03:48 |
| javispedro | only for muSD though | 03:48 |
| BCMM | MSC things are block devices | 03:48 |
| jonwil | in any case I might play with some stuff later and see what shakes loose | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/ofono/blobs/master/include/cbs.h | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice :-P >>NOTE: Read the whole guide before doing any steps from this guide to make sure you understand everything.<< | 03:49 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: a sane disclaimer | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | should get standard on each and every page | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | in whole web :-D | 03:49 |
| javispedro | pretyt much | 03:49 |
| javispedro | xd | 03:49 |
| jonwil | top of my list is that I plan to take the list of packages on my n900 (from /var/lib/dkpg/info) and remove from that list all the ones which exist in the "free" repo. Then after that I will see from the list of whats left if there is anything else thats open source in the meego repos | 03:50 |
| jonwil | ala the way I found MCE in the meego repos | 03:50 |
| javispedro | note also that guide does not mention uboot, it stops leaving the n900 kernel intact | 03:50 |
| javispedro | jonwil: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html start from here | 03:50 |
| jonwil | yep, I saw that page | 03:51 |
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| javispedro | imho I'm not expecting surprises | 03:51 |
| jonwil | finding open mce code was a surprise :) | 03:51 |
| javispedro | not for me though, I thought it was already open =) | 03:52 |
| jonwil | nope, it wasnt | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I adore the SIGUSR1 detour - for sure it's confusing hell out of noobs :-P | 03:54 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: blame Stallman, for not adding --verbose to dd | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahahaha | 03:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null& pid=$!; kill -USR1 $pid ; # PRICELESS | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp without proper explanation or any suggestion about ^C | 03:56 |
| javispedro | well | 03:57 |
| javispedro | that will just start dd, then print something equivalent to "0% done; but copying at ludicrous speed"; then hang (while dd copies) | 03:57 |
| javispedro | of course, all the user sees is 0%. | 03:57 |
| javispedro | unless he keeps sending USR1.. | 03:58 |
| BCMM | at least on bash, you mean pid={!} | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | from another term: ""kill -USR1 $pid "" won't even work :-P | 03:58 |
| BCMM | i mean, pid=${!} | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is NOT windows, env vars are NOT global | 03:58 |
| BCMM | env vars are global on windows? | 03:59 |
| BCMM | wtf? | 03:59 |
| javispedro | not on nt | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFC, what's windows ? :-D | 03:59 |
| BCMM | i was gonna say, people use those for all sorts of stuff in .bat s | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | The underlying cbs.c has only intel copyrights, and refers only to a qualcom modem | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/ofono/drivers/atmodem/cbs.c | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 04:00 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: not atmoded, isimodem | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | pop goes the bubble | 04:00 |
| BCMM | that'd be a fantastic race condition... another program is trying to use your loop variable "i" | 04:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: ah | 04:01 |
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| * DocScrutinizer really gets a headache trying to figure why everybody and his dead dog suggests ""sudo gainroot"" | 04:02 | |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: suggests as in says it's the correct way to get root? | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | has nobody ever done a simple ""cd"" after ""sudo gainroot" and then mused about where that got him? | 04:03 |
| BCMM | and does /usr/bin/root count as a dead dog? | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: err sorry? | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: I was meaning that the cbs stuff does not seem to have come from nokia, so its inclusion may not mean that there is cbs support | 04:04 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: the root command is a script that says "exec sudo gainroot --use-su" | 04:05 |
| BCMM | without a hashbang, weirdly | 04:05 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/ofono/blobs/master/drivers/isimodem/cbs.c this one says "Nokia". | 04:05 |
| jonwil | yes | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: if I got you right then you got it wrong: /usr/bin/root has ""exec sudo gainroot --use-su"" | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is the correct way to get root, while a mere ""sudo gainroot"" is EVIL | 04:06 |
| BCMM | oh, you mean it's wrong if you don't ---use-su. nm | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it keeps env of "user" | 04:06 |
| BCMM | i didn't know the env determined the homedir | 04:06 |
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| javispedro | theoretically, it keeps whatever env the sudoers file says | 04:06 |
| javispedro | on Maemo, that is HOME, DISPLAY <period> | 04:07 |
| * javispedro would like to upgrade sudo since recent versions have per-cmd line environment-to-keep lists | 04:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer | the missing shebang is actually strange and probably another fsckng busyboxism | 04:08 |
| javispedro | meaning you can properly make sudo -s discard HOME.. | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: due to the fact sudo also gives you a new shell, this new shell will deal with all the rest of your env, via ~/.profile | 04:09 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i don't understand at all... i thought that things other than native binaries were executed either by invoking the interpreter defined in the hashbang, or using BINFMT_MISC | 04:10 |
| BCMM | i really hope they haven't set that up to execute everything with /bin/sh... | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: welcome to the club. it works in bash as well | 04:10 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: sorry, what works in bash as well? /usr/bin/root? | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 04:11 |
| BCMM | reading the hashbang isn't the shell's business, is it? | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, it's not afaik | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a clib or kernel thing | 04:13 |
| javispedro | I suggest you read your nearest posix spec | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | linldr or what's it called | 04:13 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: oh good, i was just feeling too embarrased to ask if it was libc or the kernel :) | 04:13 |
| javispedro | iirc the entire shebang thing is completely non-standarized | 04:13 |
| toresbe | The shebang is in the kernel on Linux | 04:13 |
| javispedro | the standard dictates that the shell runs non-recognized binary files, period. | 04:14 |
| BCMM | aaah | 04:14 |
| BCMM | that's why that works | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh WUT? | 04:14 |
| toresbe | javispedro: the shebang is registered as a binary format in the kernel | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | shell will "source" any binary garbage? | 04:14 |
| BCMM | javispedro: so if it doesn't have a shebang and isn't one of the formats the kernel recognises, it just gets executed by the shell? | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | this sounds utterly odd | 04:15 |
| BCMM | how does that work? hasn't the shell already given up control to the kernel by the time somebody works out if it's a kernel-supported format or not? | 04:15 |
| javispedro | I do not remember the exact wording, but it was something like that | 04:15 |
| toresbe | http://fxr.googlebit.com/source/fs/binfmt_script.c?v=linux-2.6.22.4 | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | strace ./f | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | execve("./f", ["./f"], [/* 44 vars */]) = -1 ENOEXEC (Exec format error) | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | (random garbage, bash) | 04:16 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: "the shell" | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | then shell should throw syntax errors on random garbage files | 04:16 |
| javispedro | ah | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | same with 'ls' in it | 04:16 |
| posix | guys, the Nokia Ovi Suite won't allow you to upload musics to the N900 flash? it only shows the memory card | 04:16 |
| posix | anything i can do to force it to write to the phone memory? | 04:16 |
| BCMM | so how does binfmt_misc decide what to launch? magic numbers? | 04:16 |
| javispedro | $ dd if=/dev/urandom of=test bs=512 count=1 | 04:17 |
| javispedro | $ chmod a+x test | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: what I did | 04:17 |
| javispedro | $ ./test | 04:17 |
| javispedro | ./test: línea 1: error sintáctico | 04:17 |
| javispedro | LANG=C => syntax error | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: shell? | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes :-P | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | bash here | 04:17 |
| javispedro | bash4.1 | 04:17 |
| toresbe | BCMM: binfmt_misc is one of the format identifiers in the kernel, there are others | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry for lame pun | 04:18 |
| BCMM | toresbe: yes, but it's the one that supports the use of plugins to run "interpreters" for stuff | 04:18 |
| javispedro | nevertheless, note that I thought this was one piece of dark trivia in the posix (or was it sus?) standard | 04:19 |
| javispedro | I did not think bash would implement it =) | 04:19 |
| BCMM | it allows you to do things like make ./foo.exe start wine | 04:19 |
| toresbe | As I'm brushing my teeth I don't feel like a thorough check of the kernel code but I'd assume it checks for ASCIIness. | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel mimetypes \o/ | 04:20 |
| javispedro | toresbe: not the kernel, the shell | 04:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | toresbe: here at least - ls\n will not execute | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it checks for ""#!"" | 04:21 |
| javispedro | toresbe: if you try a c app with exec() call, you will ENOEXEC as SpeedEvil saw above | 04:21 |
| BCMM | javispedro: any idea at which point something decides to let the shell deal with it, rather than the kernel? | 04:21 |
| toresbe | I would assume the kernel gets a go first. | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | as the shell | 04:21 |
| BCMM | hang on, do you mean the running shell gets it, or the posix shell, /bin/sh? | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | exe-rwxr-xr-x 1 user users 3 2011-01-17 02:16 f | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | bash-3.1$ strace ./f | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | execve("./f", ["./f"], [/* 44 vars */]) = -1 ENOEXEC (Exec format error) | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | see file (1), magic (5) | 04:22 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: strace does not use the shell to exec f but calls exec() directly | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 04:22 |
| toresbe | but f is random data, right? So not very ASCII? | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | doh | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | tired | 04:22 |
| javispedro | toresbe: yes, kernel gets a go first. | 04:23 |
| javispedro | execve("/home/javier/test", ["/home/javier/test"], [/* 52 vars */]) = -1 ENOEXEC (Exec format error) | 04:23 |
| javispedro | open("/home/javier/test", O_RDONLY) = 3 | 04:23 |
| toresbe | anyway, bedtime. Buenos noches, señores y señoras. Or something. | 04:23 |
| javispedro | (on $ strace bash -c "/home/javier/test" ) | 04:23 |
| toresbe | La llama es un cuadrupedo. | 04:24 |
| javispedro | cya | 04:24 |
| javispedro | ah, dark unix trivia =) | 04:24 |
| javispedro | completely useless | 04:24 |
| javispedro | if you ever wanted to know about dark windows trivia, see http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/ | 04:25 |
| * javispedro is going to grab it for bedtime tonight | 04:25 | |
| javispedro | (dark windows trivia also completely useless, ofc) | 04:26 |
| toresbe | If I wanted to become familiar with strange decisions made by the Microsoft developer team in the mid-1980s, I'd boot Windows 7. | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 04:26 |
| javispedro | hey, I'd love the kind of decisions they make because idiot devs assumed something they should't have assumed | 04:27 |
| javispedro | like the guy who saw that pids got reused at 65536, assumed this meant pid_t was 16 bit | 04:27 |
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| javispedro | makes you want to punch them in the face | 04:27 |
| toresbe | if you think observing their design is painful, try using it in a professional context. | 04:28 |
| BCMM | talking of windows oddity that won't go away, can anybody explain COM1 and NUL? | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | udev rules, anybody? | 04:28 |
| toresbe | Speaking of a professional context; bedtime! | 04:28 |
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| nox- | BCMM, comes from dos (or cp/m even?) | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | CP/M \o/ | 04:29 |
| BCMM | specifically, why it is impossible to rename a file to either | 04:29 |
| BCMM | and what on earth will happen if i create a file with such a name using NTFS-3g? | 04:29 |
| javispedro | because "the shell is smarter than you" reasons | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahahahaha | 04:29 |
| javispedro | there's no technical reason on nt anymore | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: what will happen? of course your HDD will explode ;-D | 04:30 |
| nox- | javispedro, cmd.exe and `smart' in one sentence? :) | 04:30 |
| javispedro | but someone is his infinite wisdom decided to prevent you doing that just in case. | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | protecting the ancestors | 04:31 |
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| javispedro | or the idiot devs, as per above | 04:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc you really can bring down a win98 with a disk that has a file */COM1 | 04:32 |
| nox- | and btw did you know that windows also used 32bit crc as `secure hash' in at least once place? :) | 04:32 |
| chx | i doubt it's just cmd that stops you from accessing those files | 04:32 |
| chx | i suspect somethign way, way deper | 04:32 |
| javispedro | chx: it's the graphical shell, explorer.exe | 04:32 |
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| chx | only that deep? | 04:33 |
| javispedro | chx: unless you're talking about 9x, in which case: everything. | 04:33 |
| chx | not the vfs driver? | 04:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chx: exactly | 04:33 |
| javispedro | they're idiots, but not that idiot. | 04:33 |
| chx | lulz | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: they *Are* not maybe, but they *have been* | 04:33 |
| chx | well, you know, you can't put a slash in a unix filename | 04:33 |
| chx | nor, i think, a chr(0) | 04:33 |
| BCMM | chx: COM1 seems to actually still exist, at some level, since "edit com1" hangs CMD | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:34 |
| javispedro | edit is probably a dos app? | 04:34 |
| chx | try sending some data to the serial port | 04:34 |
| javispedro | does it run under 64 bits? | 04:34 |
| BCMM | javispedro: yeah, it's the old DOS text editor | 04:34 |
| chx | try smthng like notepad or i dunno | 04:34 |
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| nox- | <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: they *Are* not maybe, but they *have been* - thats also what i think | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually the COMn, NUL, PRT bug has a beard to the toes and once been really nasty | 04:36 |
| BCMM | chx: heh, notepad com1 produces a dialog saying "incorrect function" | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | LPT | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 04:36 |
| javispedro | either way, time to go | 04:37 |
| chx | there were malware using those names, cant remember what | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | And I still believe in creating a file /ms/is/gashead/NUL on a floppy and inserting that into a win<NT box will cause it to emit magic blue smoke | 04:38 |
| javispedro | doubt it, you might not be able to delete the file | 04:38 |
| javispedro | but it won't crash | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | NUL might be "harmless", COM1 is evil iirc | 04:39 |
| javispedro | also doubt it | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well as LPT / PRN | 04:39 |
| javispedro | they have no longer any meaning to the kernel | 04:39 |
| javispedro | it's just userspace | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | no longer, yes. I said win < NT | 04:39 |
| javispedro | ah, sorry. | 04:40 |
| javispedro | yes, then, completely right. | 04:40 |
| javispedro | cya | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | n8 | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it's completely clear to me why redmond will forbid COM files 2035 still | 04:41 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: but you know why this happened, dont you? | 04:44 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: 'cos the first QDOS didnt have directories but it wanted to copy the Unix device files | 04:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | because Billyboy stole Dos from some hacker? | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | CON /... is a CPM legacy isn't it? | 04:45 |
| chx | he didnt steal it | 04:45 |
| chx | he bought it | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, for a really too low/high price (depending on point of view) | 04:45 |
| chx | well it was the business of the decade | 04:45 |
| chx | they already knew how much IBM will pay for them | 04:46 |
| chx | *to them | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | too low compared to the money he got from IBM for it. Too high for what it gave to users | 04:46 |
| nox- | SpeedEvil, i thought so too but wasnt sure | 04:46 |
| nox- | (too long ago... :) | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I've dumped most of my CPM memories. | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I used it briefly on a word-processor type thing | 04:46 |
| nox- | the \ still lives on tho at least... | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | year wordmaster - great piece of sw | 04:47 |
| BCMM | chx: ah, was wondering why dev node equivalents were always in the current directory... | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah even | 04:47 |
| chx | come on | 04:47 |
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| nox- | wasnt it wordstar? | 04:47 |
| chx | you are Tom Hacker | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | wordmaster was the hacker edition | 04:47 |
| nox- | haha ok | 04:47 |
| BCMM | why would anybody create a system without directories after directories had been invented anyway? | 04:48 |
| chx | and someone shows up at the door with 50 000 dollars in 1981 | 04:48 |
| chx | to buy an OS that made no money for you | 04:48 |
| BCMM | meh, i guess that's just a special case of "why was DOS such a step backwards?" | 04:48 |
| chx | you do not ask whether to jump just how high | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | used it a lot until ~1985 | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 04:48 |
| nox- | BCMM, bc 8bit cpus only had 64k address space maybe | 04:48 |
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| chx | this whole world is built on hacks | 04:49 |
| nox- | oh yeah | 04:49 |
| nox- | and reinvented wheels and nih | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | DOS was a "just for my own purposes PoC" OS written by some hacker, who told Billyboy "It doesn't work and it's bullshit - you know that!" | 04:50 |
| chx | the IAPX 432 did not want to happen | 04:50 |
| chx | so they implemented the 8086 in ... what six weeks? | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | chx: and that was a hack | 04:50 |
| chx | cant remember but it was something like that | 04:50 |
| nox- | ibm should have used 68k for their first pc... | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | chx: the iapx wasn't ever going to be a sane processor. The compiler screwed it basically. | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | those were the days | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI anyway. | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Way before me. | 04:52 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: originating as a "just for my own purposes PoC" isn't always such a bad thing:. recognise this? "I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones." | 04:52 |
| chx | Intel, to this day, is a marketing company | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall having seen this as well, yeah | 04:53 |
| chx | they could not design a decent CPU if their life depend on it | 04:53 |
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| chx | BCMM: well, there are many to this day who would argue with you that thing is a hobby and not serious | 04:54 |
| BCMM | chx: given the architechture they're staying compatible with, haven't they done pretty well in recent years? | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and 8086 has been commonly attributed as braindead | 04:54 |
| nox- | chx, i guess the engineers could just marketing prevents them... | 04:54 |
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| BCMM | chx: it kinda makes you wish somebody would throw that sorta effort at a nice architechture... the results would be amazing | 04:55 |
| chx | nox-: i dunno, they wanted a CPU that could perform with a sane wattage envelope that they went back 10+ years in time tweaked it and relaunched as Atom. | 04:56 |
| nox- | heh | 04:57 |
| chx | I always had doubts of Intel's capabilities as a true innovator but the Atom proved it .... if the Itanic didnt. | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itanic LOL | 04:58 |
| chx | Dvorak is often full of shit http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2339629,00.asp but this is golden | 04:58 |
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| BCMM | does anybody actually know how scalable ARM is? i mean, would it be possible for somebody with sufficient resources to design an ARM core that competes with modern x86 in performance terms? | 05:00 |
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| chx | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/52238e697177fa52/1d3f87d07be3797f?pli=1 it wasnt me who came up with Itanic.... | 05:01 |
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| BCMM | d'aww, mac fanbois bashing Intel | 05:02 |
| BCMM | kidna feel sorry for them | 05:02 |
| chx | "The next level was the basement, in fact. Hopefully Intel won't come up with any more bright ideas like the Itanium. We can't afford to excavate another level down." | 05:03 |
| chx | well, in fact, the Atom was -- but , this time, people quickly realized it's a pos and the netbook became a dud esp with the ipad on top... | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | The atom was an awesome chip. | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | The chipsets to go with it however, blew. | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | If the chipsets were as good as the atom, things would have looked a bit different now | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>It took us to the next level. But we didn't know that the next level was below us, not above. The next level was the basement, in fact.<< X-D | 05:08 |
| chx | Yes. Told you that article is golden :D | 05:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ""yesterday we stood at the edge to abyss. Today we are one step ahead"" | 05:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | very popular saying here in Germany | 05:12 |
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| chx | Really? | 05:21 |
| chx | I thought that was a Hungarian joke about socialism and capitalism. | 05:21 |
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| posix | i think that one is said all around the world lol | 05:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to know if there is a nice way to turn the flashlight on from shell? | 05:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall some hack I did with v4lctl | 05:44 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Heh. I'm now a card-carrying member of the N900 Hardware Hackers club. http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2700-small.jpeg | 05:49 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Surprisingly enough, it works. | 05:49 |
| chx | what is that?? | 05:51 |
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| chx | SpeedEvil: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=556387 | 05:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's a jumper wire going from the + terminal of the main battery to the + terminal of the backup battery(now replaced with a capacitor) | 05:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | For... Certain Reasons, my backup battery wasn't working at all, even after I replaced it with a capacitor. Now, it'll keep the time with the main battery out for a few seconds, at least. | 05:53 |
| SpeedEvil | RobbieThe1st: :) | 05:53 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Provided that cap holds 4V without dying... I'll be fine. | 05:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I2Cset? | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: err what?? a wire? | 06:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea. Aand a now missing contact on the board where the battery's + terminal was -supposed- to go.. <_< | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | form $.2V main bat plus, to a contact of GAIA that's supposed to operate at MAX 3V | 06:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | No, no worry about that - That's my problem - the contact to GAIA doesn't exist any more. | 06:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | I... wasn't carefull enough when putting the cap on, and managed to pull the contact off the board. | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds as odd as it can get | 06:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yes. But it's better than nothing. | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, I guess it's as useless as nothing | 06:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | Let me just say this: Before, when I pulled out the main battery, the clock instantly reset(nothing to power it). Now, it at least lasts long enough for me to put in a new battery | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's that capacitor supposed to do then? Power the whole device, via main battery + contact?, I don't think that can pan out | 06:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | With the device off, it will. | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 06:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'm guessing it has something to do with the RTC working at a lower voltage than the rest of the device... | 06:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly | 06:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless I'd connect plus of backup battery to C4257 instead of hooking it up to main battery plus | 06:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | I couldn't find it. | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | where's the problem? | 06:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | I found that cap on the schematic, but I couldn't find it on the PCB layout diagram. | 06:20 |
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| * pahartik would want Nokia N900 to suspend-to-disk when battery is low or user requests for that | 06:22 | |
| Surjikal | Is there a way to write to the phone's microphone device? I'd like to playback some music, for example, in a phone conversation. | 06:23 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hm... that could use part of the swap partition I assume... Though I'm not sure how much power it would take to write that much data.. | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's M8, component side, next to L4202 | 06:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | left to C4205 | 06:25 |
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| RobbieThe1st | 1 sec, let me pull up the diagram | 06:26 |
| RobbieThe1st | Which page? 16 or 17? | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | 16 | 06:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I vaguely remember I2c is awkward, as you have to unload modules that will break the camera | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 06:27 |
| RobbieThe1st | And which grid location? | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | the notorious i2c occupied issue | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | M( | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | M8 | 06:27 |
| RobbieThe1st | Thanks. | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess you know how to decide which side of that C is "hot" | 06:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | I think one's ground, so I could just check continuity.. | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, with a very-low-voltage meter | 06:32 |
| RobbieThe1st | ..I'm going to have to get/find myself some -very- thin wire; it's going to have to be routed around one corner of the camera module, and then half way across the board again on the other side.. | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, then even inside the can, thru some hole I think to be founf in a corner next to the C | 06:34 |
| Surjikal | Sounds intense, what are you guys doing? | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | very thin wire anyway isn't that hard to find. I got some insanely thin copper-varnish wire here 0.05mm dia | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | www.conrad.de 607509 | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd recommend 0.15mm though | 06:36 |
| SpeedEvil | why not replace the battery? | 06:37 |
| jacekowski | too simple | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, he did | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | read backscroll | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | replaced by goldcap aiui | 06:39 |
| RobbieThe1st | Aand I wasn't thinking when I did so, and managed to break off the + contact on the board | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | pad came off | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite usual | 06:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | too high or too low temp of iron, too much force applied -> damage done | 06:42 |
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| RobbieThe1st | BTW, what temp should I have my iron? I've been using it around 325C | 06:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | (I've got a temp-controlled 60w chinese unit) | 06:44 |
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| jacekowski | little bit too warm | 06:46 |
| jacekowski | melting point of 60/40 solder is under 200C | 06:47 |
| jacekowski | and going a lot above that is pointless | 06:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw, why around cam module? I'd route the wire around the PCB edge next to power button, behind B2B-connector, to golden RF test connector marked (4) and then bend to left and down the trench between the 2 cans and straight into the can next to your destination | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: this isn't 60/40 though. RoHS | 06:49 |
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| jacekowski | well, it's still too warm | 06:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning | 06:49 |
| jacekowski | rohs stuff melts at under 250C | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | mo moh | 06:49 |
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| jacekowski | that reminds me | 06:49 |
| jacekowski | i have to go to sleep | 06:49 |
| jacekowski | good night | 06:49 |
| RobbieThe1st | Alright... I'll try 270C next time.. | 06:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Night jacekowski | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest 300 | 06:50 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ok. | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | for desoldering | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | 270 for soldering might work ok | 06:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh yay, soldering talk | 06:51 |
| RobbieThe1st | Alright, I'll try that. | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't forget acid free flux, for soldering | 06:51 |
| RobbieThe1st | Dunno about that; I've got my 60/40 Radioshack-branded solder, and a tub of radio-shack flux.. | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 06:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | I -think- the 60/40 rozin-core solder is acid-free | 06:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | I thought radioshack went bankrupt and closed down | 06:53 |
| SpeedEvil | On a related matter - anyone happen to know how to call the camera from shell? | 06:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | gstreamer? | 06:54 |
| RobbieThe1st | Nope; they are around still... Though they don't sell that much in the way of parts; far more cellphones and toys than bits. | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | liquid activated resin flux should be fine. Never use cheap flux that's not clearly marked as use for electronic | 06:54 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: naah - I mean the proper UI | 06:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, good luck with that | 06:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 06:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | maemo-invoker maybe | 06:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 06:55 |
| Surjikal | camera-ui looks promising | 06:55 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hm. I can't find my disasembly guide; How will I be removing the can and then replacing it? | 06:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | (metal cover over those components) | 06:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | Surjikal, doesn't work | 06:56 |
| Surjikal | but it just hangs for a couple of seconds and then closes. I'm looking at the trace now. | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: caaaarefully ;-) | 06:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | Fair enough. | 06:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | And, what, solder it back into place if needed? :P | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: you'll need a pinpoint very smal knife, and open up one latch after the other. A tedious task that easily takes 20min | 06:57 |
| RobbieThe1st | Alright. | 06:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | which reminds me | 06:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | how do I start image-viewer from terminal? | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a snap-on lid, with ~80 latches. Don't worrky too much about the lid, you can bend it into shape after opening | 06:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you need to be really careful though not to pry off other components when opening the lid | 07:00 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'll try to remember that. | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that particular lid looks easy | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's large, and easily accessable from at least 2 sides | 07:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think it has been the easiest one to open | 07:02 |
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| RobbieThe1st | That's good. | 07:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RobbieThe1st, flasher (on-device binary) can be used to flash an N900 from another one | 07:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | using h-e-n | 07:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | think I tested it by sending the MeeGo kernel to my device from a classmate's | 07:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | Oh. Cool | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | you may want to cover solder points and contacts nearby C4257 hot end with some solder stop varnish, so you don't have too much problem removing the inevitable solder blobs ;-) | 07:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | you know | 07:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | What does kernel_power_flasher use? | 07:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | as much as the N9 might suck (hardware-wise) | 07:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | umm, do-kernel-update or sth | 07:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | sec | 07:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | fiasco-image-update | 07:10 |
| RobbieThe1st | Interesting | 07:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | actually | 07:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's just a script for flasher | 07:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | Kindly supply at least one image. Thank you. - BioShock reference anyone? | 07:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: for opening the lid, you want to start at a corner, gently pushing up the latches on both sides from corner up and left. It will snap back a 20 times until you got the first 6 latches free, then it gets much easier | 07:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'll try to remember that. Or just come in here when I'm about to do it.. | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 07:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: bioshock? a terrorist website? | 07:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | video game, the guy talking to you always says "Kindy do xxyy" | 07:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | Kindly* | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 07:17 |
| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 07:17 |
| RST38h | Mohammad, Doc, hello | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~moo | 07:17 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 07:17 | |
| Surjikal | lolwut | 07:18 |
| RST38h | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28negative%29 | 07:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | hey RST38h | 07:18 |
| Surjikal | Could "telepathy-stream-engine" be used to play back audio on a cellular phone call? | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 07:20 |
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| Surjikal | Im able to record cellular calls, but I can't figure out how to actually play back audio. Has this been done before? | 07:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall the question has been asked before. I guess that doesn't help | 07:25 |
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| Surjikal | I was probably the one asking heh. I guess I'll poke around some more. | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, there's a thing called tonegen, somewhere in alsa/PA, that probably generates DTMF audio and plays this to GSM modem "mic" input | 07:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess you could playback arbitrary sounds same way | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least meego sources might have tonegen | 07:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check http://meego.gitorious.org/ | 07:28 |
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| Surjikal | That is exactly the kind of info I was looking for, thanks you very much! | 07:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | please share your findings, I'm interested in that topic as well | 07:29 |
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| Surjikal | Will do | 07:29 |
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| Surjikal | My ultimate goal is to create a software voice mail, that way I can dodge my provider's rediculous fee. | 07:30 |
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| MohammadAG51 | funny how it just woks on symbian | 07:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf, apt-worker-thread eaten up 4:00.000 of CPU time, and running | 07:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | nuke it | 07:43 |
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| notslad | what is the best cell phone to get with the meamo or meego OS? | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it indeed finished :-P | 07:44 |
| notslad | I intend to keep my phone for the next four years or so :^) | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900, the best and only | 07:45 |
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| notslad | DocScrutinizer: hmm... are the specs of the n900 still strong.. n900 came out late 2009, didn't it? | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, and yes | 07:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | Umm | 07:46 |
| notslad | DocScrutinizer: I was hoping for a phone capacitive screen.. though it looks like the resistive screen isn't too bad.. | 07:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | if you want a 4 year device | 07:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | You wouldn't complain about a year old one :P | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you should buy 2 of them then :-D | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | notslad: I prefer this r-ts over any c-ts plus hotdog for stylus | 07:48 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lol | 07:48 |
| notslad | MohammadAG51: hehe.. I've had my current phone since 2006 :^) I want to make sure my next one will last just as long :^) | 07:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | if only I could last that long :P | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, when treated with love, N900 can last at least one year - evidently | 07:49 |
| notslad | MohammadAG51: itz hard... everyone showing me all sorts of fancy features and all this nifty stuff they can do with their new phones year after year.. :^) | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you got a lemon | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 07:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | Hah | 07:50 |
| notslad | has anyone tried to port meego or meamo to the n8? :^) | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 07:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | wouldn't even attempt to | 07:50 |
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| Necc | and will never be ported | 07:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | 640x360 | 07:51 |
| Necc | symbian =/= linux | 07:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | so? | 07:51 |
| Necc | ... | 07:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's not exactly a limitation | 07:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | you're not running one in the other | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, funny idea though | 07:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's like saying mac =/= windows | 07:52 |
| Necc | yeah but that is still a cellphone... not a PC where you press a button on the keyboard, and select something else drive to boot from | 07:53 |
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| Necc | ups the N8 also lacks of that too | 07:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | no kb is not a limitation either | 07:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | in theory, you can port it | 07:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | in practice, the symbian community is noobish | 07:54 |
| * notslad just read that the n9 will be running Symbian :^( | 07:55 | |
| notslad | I really wish Nokia would give up on this "we support both Symbian and Meamo" business.. | 07:55 |
| notslad | but thatz probably already been said here before.. | 07:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you shouldn't bother that much about random reads, esp from the interwebs | 07:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | N9? Symbian? bullshit? yep | 07:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | :) | 07:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | that's the E7, commonly referred to as the N9 | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | what N9 btw ;-P | 07:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | RM-680 | 07:58 |
| chx | Here, i have a bridge to sell to you if you believe that | 07:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | sorry, already have a bridge here | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | A fortess here | 07:58 |
| notslad | I think I'd prefer a fortress.. I like stability in my applications | 07:58 |
| notslad | ;^) | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice one, MohammadAG51 knows it | 07:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | i called it the Golden Gate | 07:59 |
| notslad | hmmm... http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-3398.php says the N9 is rumoured to come out in 2011... | 07:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 07:59 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 2011 ends in 11+ months | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a char swap, they meant 2101 | 08:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | and gsmarena is bullshit | 08:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's not a snapdragon | 08:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's an omap | 08:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | probably OMAP3 | 08:01 |
| chx | I read a fantastic review on the N8 that was written as if the N8 was released in 2008 :) | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, don't spam the chan - this site isn't worth a comment | 08:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | the vkb on pr1.2 is very crsppy | 08:01 |
| notslad | sry.. just trying to seperate fact from fiction :^) | 08:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | crappy grr | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | anyone here familiar with Sandy Bridge? | 08:02 |
| chx | depends | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226095 says compatible with P67 chipset; any reason it wouldn't work with H67? | 08:02 |
| wmarone | the memory controller is in the CPU, if it's DDR3 it'll work | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | good point | 08:03 |
| * luke-jr gives Mushkin a weird look for only listing P67 | 08:03 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | time for a walk to the shop, before that evil daystar rises | 08:04 |
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| chx | so yeah , hackers and vampires are not that different.... | 08:07 |
| notslad | chx: except in their diet | 08:08 |
| notslad | chx: ... unless the vampire *is* a hacker.. | 08:08 |
| chx | you mean, you do not live on blood? | 08:08 |
| * notslad doesn't want to admit that he's only a script kiddie | 08:09 | |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 08:09 |
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| loft306 | ha | 08:14 |
| notslad | lol.. reviewers can't seem to make up their mind about the N9.. some say it is a replacement for the N900 and others for the N8... I guess it all depends on where you're coming from | 08:15 |
| loft306 | tet | 08:16 |
| loft306 | i- in out yet? | 08:16 |
| loft306 | is* | 08:16 |
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| notslad | loft306: if you're asking if the n9 is out yet, it isn't... I just found a website spreading rumours that it *might* launch next month during the Mobile World Conference | 08:27 |
| notslad | loft306: ... based on a tweet | 08:28 |
| loft306 | :) | 08:28 |
| notslad | loft306: course, you can by the Chinese knockoff for ~$110(US) if you wanted... | 08:29 |
| loft306 | haha that would prob get seized by customs for wo fcc cert | 08:29 |
| loft306 | no | 08:29 |
| notslad | I don't know.. it looks like they just mimicked the looks.. | 08:30 |
| loft306 | they got goood here in milwakkee seiving the knock off ipads | 08:30 |
| loft306 | seizing | 08:30 |
| chx | well, no, in fact the Chinese have in finished Meego and released the real N9 just noone believes them | 08:30 |
| loft306 | yeah was junt looking at it | 08:31 |
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| Termana | good morning | 08:32 |
| notslad | anyone know if Meego need to be jailbroken to get to the command prompt? | 08:33 |
| notslad | Termana: hello | 08:33 |
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| wmarone | notslad: depends on what the handset vendor does/carrier tosses on top | 08:34 |
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| notslad | well.. time for me to go unconscious.. | 08:38 |
| notslad | it was nicing ranting with everyone... | 08:39 |
| notslad | l8r :^) | 08:39 |
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| epp | hey, i installed multiboot and now i cant get power kernel to install again | 09:03 |
| epp | how can i manually install it | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | multiboot is "installing" kernels on every single boot - that's why it's *deprecated*. To get a kernel into multiboot you have to install it to multiboot infrastructure, you must not simply install a new kernel as that most of the times means you'll have to reflash ( - that's why multiboot is *deprecated* ;-P ) | 09:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's power kernel with uBoot, which IMHO is a much better concept than multiboot | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while multiboot basically does "swap the HDD of your PC", uBoot is a true sane bootloader-menu and allows you to boot into optional partitions and storage devices, instead of swapping the content of the one booting storage | 09:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pester nitdridiot folks to adapt their booting scheme to uBoot rather than force users to use a nasty dangerous hack for booting their OS | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm temped to remark that's in line with general android mindset - they never did nor do they now bother too much about coexistence with other OS | 09:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're aware each time you're booting, multiboot flashes the kernel to same location on NAND, and unlike eMMC and even root ubifs, that kernel partiton neither has any wear leveling nor does it cope exactly good with too many worn out blocks. And we all know flash storage has a limited number of write cycles until burnout | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: what's up with your alter ego? what's about #mhd | 09:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, ZNC is offline for some reason | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 09:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | so i'm only on #maemo till it's back | 09:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 09:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | is the ##mhd link gone? | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got better latency with that other ZNC server? | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't | 09:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | it is | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 09:37 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, didn't work as expected | 09:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | says invite only | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how's that fsckng forward syntax? | 09:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | can't find it | 09:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | ask in #freenode i guess | 09:46 |
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| chx | DocScrutinizer: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml | 09:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | works again | 09:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freenode seems to have the annoying habit to reset +i +f | 09:53 |
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| RobbieThe1st | >.< I weep for humanity. I was just handed a php script someone made to stick on our site. It's fairly simple, getting stats from a MySQL DB. The author is supposed to be "majoring in this stuff", and yet he DIDN'T BOTHER TO VALIDATE POST INPUT. Which means that a sql-injection attack would be trivial. | 09:55 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I haven't taken a single PHP class, and I know enough not to do that.. | 09:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yoh | 09:57 |
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| seiflotfy | hey guys | 10:37 |
| seiflotfy | i know ths is not a place to ask | 10:37 |
| seiflotfy | but my n900s brightness is very low | 10:38 |
| seiflotfy | i can hardly see anything | 10:38 |
| seiflotfy | i dont know how this happened | 10:38 |
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| nidO | the obvious question hangs in the air | 10:40 |
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| phrearch | hi | 10:46 |
| phrearch | anyone an idea how to speed up the application management app, searching for updates? | 10:46 |
| phrearch | it takes like 2 minutes or more :S | 10:47 |
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| nidO | the best way is to stop using it and install fapman instead | 10:48 |
| phrearch | aha thanks. never heared of that | 10:49 |
| phrearch | somehow i cant install anything from the console anymore as well. something about failing to get a lock, while im root | 10:49 |
| nidO | you need to have the app manager closed | 10:50 |
| nidO | and it needs to not be automatically checking for updates | 10:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | any physics geeks here? | 10:50 |
| phrearch | ok thanks | 10:50 |
| nidO | MohammadAG51, what kinda level physics? | 10:51 |
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| MohammadAG51 | electron volts to joules | 10:51 |
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| MohammadAG51 | can't remember the equation I need :P | 10:51 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: YFGI? :) | 10:54 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 10:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~wtf YGFI | 10:54 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what YGFI means... | 10:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 10:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~wtf YFGI | 10:54 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what YFGI means... | 10:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | ah, V = eV * 1.6x10^19 | 10:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | J* | 10:55 |
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| reeniginEesreveR | i have a linux based c++ app i wrote. How can I compile it to run on maemo/n900? | 11:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~maemosdk | 11:01 |
| infobot | [maemosdk] http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | http://www.wolframalpha.com/ | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~yfgi | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~yfgi is you fucking google it | 11:02 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: please, watch your language. | 11:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~rtfm | 11:04 |
| infobot | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual (TM). It is a suggestion to do your homework before posting a question. Sometimes used as RTFM $SPECIFIC_MANUAL to refer to a specific source of information. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tzzz | 11:04 |
| phrearch | someone tried maemo on qemu? | 11:04 |
| reeniginEesreveR | DocScrutinizer, please google it for me | 11:04 |
| reeniginEesreveR | DocScrutinizer, aren't you here to help others out? | 11:04 |
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| reeniginEesreveR | I dont think it is a bad thing to google for someone else | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 11:05 |
| reeniginEesreveR | ok, then kindly please shut yourself up | 11:05 |
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| reeniginEesreveR | thank you | 11:05 |
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| MohammadAG51 | he wasn't even talking to you | 11:06 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ~maemosdk | 11:06 |
| infobot | maemosdk is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 11:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | reeniginEesreveR: piss off, nobody invited you into a convo between me and MohammadAG51 | 11:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | read that | 11:06 |
| reeniginEesreveR | Thnks MohammadAG51 | 11:06 |
| reeniginEesreveR | DocScrutinizer, i thought you were telling me to rtfm | 11:07 |
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| reeniginEesreveR | I politely asked a question and the response i got was RTFM | 11:07 |
| reeniginEesreveR | naturally i' feel insulted | 11:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what makes you think you got any response?? | 11:09 |
| delphi | does anyone else have problems with libconic, i my callbacks are never called :/ | 11:09 |
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| delphi | so i cant check if it actually connected the phone to the internet or not.. | 11:10 |
| reeniginEesreveR | maybe you should see the chat log above and see when i joined in asked the question and you responded. | 11:10 |
| reeniginEesreveR | :P | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you had no exclusive lease on that channel | 11:10 |
| phrearch | hm, some repository is quite slow to update | 11:11 |
| delphi | or should i ask, is libconic's wiki page up to date? | 11:11 |
| nidO | itll be devel, if you have it enabled | 11:11 |
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| reeniginEesreveR | MohammadAG51, is it possible to run gcc on n900 itself? | 11:15 |
| delphi | hm, so nobody uses libconic? | 11:17 |
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| phrearch | hm cool. chromium works on n900 | 11:23 |
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| phrearch | seems that overclocking is not enabled anymore with the power kernel? | 11:25 |
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| MohammadAG51 | reeniginEesreveR, yes | 11:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | though I highly suggest using a chroot | 11:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | as / is only 256MBs | 11:47 |
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| RST38h | Am I missing something, or is Maps really written in JavaScript? | 12:14 |
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| muellisoft | RST38h: yep. XulRunner + JavaSCript foo. Really ugly. Also, all the widgets are customl, i.e. no system widgets which makes it a pain to update. | 12:16 |
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| RST38h | muellisoft: holy shit, no wonder it is slow and a memory hog =( | 12:19 |
| RST38h | But it probably also means the Maps UI can be modified? =) | 12:19 |
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| pauly | hi im downloading linux cause qt creator in windows is giving me problems but was wondering which is the best linux disto 2 download debain or ubuntu | 12:34 |
| pauly | cause apperntly ubunutu 10.04 has some kinda issue on the wiki | 12:35 |
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| mikki-kun | best linux? depends on what you need and want to do with it | 12:35 |
| khertan_ | and your use | 12:36 |
| khertan_ | and many other things :) | 12:36 |
| nidO | if you're new to *nix and are using it on a desktop, ubuntu is likely to be your best start | 12:36 |
| pauly | ya i know | 12:36 |
| pauly | but on wiki | 12:36 |
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| pauly | it says 10.04 has some issuies | 12:36 |
| khertan_ | 10.04 isn't the more recent versions | 12:36 |
| pauly | with scratchbox | 12:36 |
| khertan_ | scratchbox have issue everywhere :) | 12:37 |
| nidO | 10.10 is the current release afaik | 12:37 |
| pauly | lol okay | 12:37 |
| pauly | ya i have that downloaded | 12:37 |
| mikki-kun | why not go gentoo? only thing needed there is the ability to read and follow the rules :) | 12:37 |
| pauly | see im trying to port one qt app to maemo5 | 12:37 |
| nidO | yeah the main problem with reading the rules is that theyre like 459864590 pages long | 12:38 |
| pauly | ive used ubuntu for a while i was just figuring which was best for scratchbox | 12:38 |
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| mikki-kun | nidO: you seem to have gotten the wrong pages then... baseinstall of gentoo can be done in 15 minutes | 12:39 |
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| pauly | qtwiiter wont seem to build cause the lib qoauth | 12:39 |
| khertan_ | mikki-kun: base install is base ... | 12:39 |
| pauly | isnt there but i know there is an libqoauth | 12:39 |
| khertan_ | mikki-kun: it s a long step for a new user | 12:39 |
| pauly | im good with ubuntu goona do that | 12:40 |
| pauly | thanks for the help | 12:40 |
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| pauly | which is better qt creator or maemo5 sdk? | 12:41 |
| nidO | even the instructions for a base install are about 15 pages long these days, this compares to "keep clicking yes" for something like ubuntu | 12:41 |
| Naib | the install guide I have for gentoo is 1/3 of an A4 | 12:41 |
| Naib | derp | 12:41 |
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| Naib | and a gentoo install can be kicked off with 1 command and you can just walk away. no need todo anything else | 12:42 |
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| khertan_ | Naib: yep but maintainning the system is time consuming | 12:43 |
| Naib | no not really | 12:43 |
| pauly | hey guys im burning ubunutu 10.10 so im good with the distos | 12:43 |
| Naib | emerge --sync && emerge @world -uvDNa | 12:44 |
| khertan | Naib: it s more than usual distro | 12:44 |
| Naib | and browse while that work | 12:44 |
| khertan | Naib: and you have 1 chance on 5 to break something | 12:44 |
| Naib | I have had more issues keeping this NUbuntu box at work working then I do the 5 gentoo boxes I have | 12:44 |
| khertan | Naib: yeah ... ubuntu :) | 12:44 |
| mikki-kun | khertan_: usually libs break on bin-based like ubuntu, gentoo resolves them via emerge | 12:44 |
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| * khertan use a debian stable | 12:45 | |
| sig^ | lenny's always sooo late ): | 12:45 |
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| khertan | mikki-kun: yeah most ubuntu problem are bin-based ... | 12:45 |
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| mikki-kun | why nit recommend then debian? | 12:46 |
| pauly | ive been meaning to do this been trying 2 get rid of windows7 but i had all my files on it with nowhere to backup but the shrink util actually worked so now i can install ubuntu yay! | 12:46 |
| Naib | lol Debian.... want mysql4 depending on mysql5 DERP | 12:46 |
| Appiah | Naib: ? | 12:47 |
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| khertan | sig^: yep late but stable | 12:47 |
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| kerio | squeeze is recent | 12:47 |
| kerio | and almost stable | 12:47 |
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| Appiah | testing | 12:47 |
| khertan | kerio: testing | 12:47 |
| pauly | brb got to install the linux | 12:48 |
| kerio | yeah, but it's been frozen | 12:48 |
| khertan | kerio : indeed | 12:48 |
| sig^ | "they" say squeeze is almost frozen | 12:48 |
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| khertan | mikki-kun: about break last time it was bin based ... but thing not implemented in the source code of a lib | 12:51 |
| khertan | mikki-kun: some thing having segfault | 12:51 |
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| phrearch | hm, i installed multiboot power-kernel, but im affraid my n900 not booting anymore :( | 12:51 |
| khertan | mikki-kun: but i'm far to be an expert on gentoo :) | 12:52 |
| khertan | mikki-kun: more a simple user : | 12:52 |
| khertan | :) | 12:52 |
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| mikki-kun | segfault is bad :) | 12:52 |
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| khertan | mikki-kun: and too be honest i ve see the difference on my old pc, but now with the new config i didn't see one | 12:53 |
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| mikki-kun | phrearch: what did you do and how come you are afraid of your n900 not booting anymore | 12:53 |
| mikki-kun | ? | 12:53 |
| phrearch | mikki-kun: i installed multi-boot-power from devel, and i end up in a white n900 bootscreen without offering any options to boot in | 12:54 |
| Appiah | devel | 12:54 |
| Appiah | aaah ok | 12:54 |
| mikki-kun | phrearch: did you try to boot it with your keyboard closed? | 12:54 |
| phrearch | ehm, checking | 12:55 |
| mikki-kun | and afair multiboot is not anymore the best solution | 12:55 |
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| phrearch | hm oops | 12:55 |
| phrearch | hope i dont have a brick now :) | 12:55 |
| mikki-kun | you wanted nitdroid running? | 12:55 |
| phrearch | well, yea or meego. | 12:55 |
| phrearch | is there any way i can undo this? | 12:56 |
| TheJ | hello. i want to try the debian version of mozilla-plugin-vlc on my N900. anyone know how to get it? | 12:56 |
| phrearch | should have thought about that before i started hehe | 12:56 |
| Appiah | TheJ: download it | 12:56 |
| mikki-kun | uboot is currently in development, but the guys are thinking on a better way of doing that stuff as the NAND where the bootkernel gets written to can at some point break.. | 12:56 |
| TheJ | tried apt-get | 12:57 |
| TheJ | didnt work | 12:57 |
| Appiah | well it's not in maemo repo.. | 12:57 |
| mikki-kun | phrearch: i am not sure of the procedure in total, but you could flash the kernel only as in *searching* | 12:57 |
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| Appiah | TheJ: if its from debian you need to get it from debian.. | 12:57 |
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| Appiah | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/mozilla-plugin-vlc | 12:57 |
| Appiah | armel 1.1.3-1squeeze | 12:58 |
| Appiah | Good luck... | 12:58 |
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| mikki-kun | phrearch: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image (but read the whole page there) | 12:58 |
| phrearch | hm, if i press 0 in the bootmenu it returns an error: cant flash kernel, required files not found | 12:58 |
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| phrearch | thanks | 12:58 |
| phrearch | hm, but i cant access the device | 12:59 |
| phrearch | ill read up | 12:59 |
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| mikki-kun | phrearch: beware though, it could in a worst-case scenario render your rootfs flashed | 12:59 |
| mikki-kun | btw, when you boot up, do you see the nokia-logo? | 13:00 |
| TheJ | thanks appiah :) | 13:00 |
| ShadowJK | Heh. I went to what used to be my local Nokia Care authorized repair shop. They said Nokia has cancelled all repair shops in the country, and that you now have to send it directly to the repair center. However, they are not permitted to tell you the name and address of the repair center, and the repair center does not accept devices shipped by end users anyway. wtf :) | 13:00 |
| phrearch | mikki-kun: yes | 13:00 |
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| mikki-kun | ShadowJK: call headquarters in finland and tell them they f'd up in the country you live in :) | 13:02 |
| ShadowJK | mikki-kun, yeah, I'm in finland.. | 13:02 |
| ShadowJK | If they fuck up their home country I can't imagine what they're doing abroad :) | 13:03 |
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| mikki-kun | ShadowJK: mitä helvetiä?! Ö.ö | 13:03 |
| khertan_ | ShadowJK: | 13:03 |
| khertan_ | ShadowJK: lol | 13:03 |
| Sicelo | hi all :) | 13:03 |
| phrearch | hm, probably should dl pr 1.3 ? | 13:04 |
| phrearch | global? | 13:04 |
| phrearch | (im located in the netherlands) | 13:04 |
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| Sicelo | please tell me if Claws mail on the N900 supports IMAP-IDLE | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK | Oh actually, looks like SCF does accept private individuals mailing in their broken devices... but I had to search forums to find out who has the nokia repair now | 13:04 |
| mikki-kun | ShadowJK: still i'd call headquarters especially then and tell them what the heck are they up to with doing so... | 13:04 |
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| ShadowJK | phellarv, global works on everything | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK | mikki-kun, I already sent a mail through that Contact nokia thing on their website.. | 13:04 |
| mikki-kun | good :) | 13:04 |
| phrearch | hm, and flasher for linux requires an ancient libusb :( | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | The store I went to said they can send it in for me, but since I didn't buy it from them (I bought it from Nokia), they'll have to charge me extra | 13:05 |
| phrearch | the docs say i should both flash eMMC and FIASCO | 13:05 |
| mikki-kun | phrearch: you don't have to | 13:06 |
| mikki-kun | FIASCO is for the rootfs | 13:06 |
| mikki-kun | which pr had you running so far? | 13:06 |
| phrearch | 1.3 | 13:06 |
| pahartik | phrearch: "maemo-flasher-3.5" requires x86 Linux... Which is not good at all... | 13:06 |
| phrearch | hm, no 64 bit version? | 13:07 |
| ShadowJK | It only needs libc and libusb.. | 13:08 |
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| * ShadowJK ran it on his Fedora Core 64 bit after installing some x86 package | 13:08 | |
| ShadowJK | s | 13:08 |
| pahartik | phrearch: No PowerPC, ARM, Alpha, SPARC, MIPS, [...] binary | 13:08 |
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| ShadowJK | I think there's an arm binary | 13:08 |
| phrearch | ShadowJK: it asks for a particular libusb version. Did you compile that manually? | 13:09 |
| ShadowJK | iirc someone flashed their N900 from their other N900 | 13:09 |
| ShadowJK | Apparently my antiquated version of fedora had that version | 13:09 |
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| mikki-kun | i am running the most up to date libusb-version | 13:10 |
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| ShadowJK | I seem to have libusb-0.1.12-20 | 13:11 |
| TheJ | incompatible application package for the mozilla-plugin-vlc :( | 13:11 |
| pahartik | ShadowJK: Not at "http://tablets-dev.nokia.com.ipv6.sixxs.org/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php" | 13:11 |
| ShadowJK | ah, it's preinstalled on N900 ;D | 13:12 |
| phrearch | ehm maemo flasher 3.5.2.5.22 ? | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | 2.8.2.1 it seems | 13:13 |
| ShadowJK | Oh wow, flasher-3.0 was available in amd64 version | 13:14 |
| * ShadowJK has it on his hd still | 13:14 | |
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| phrearch | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 13:14 |
| phrearch | i got the version from there | 13:14 |
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| phrearch | ah, installed multilib version of libusb which fixed it | 13:15 |
| eichi | hello. is there no openstreetmap routing for mappero? the google one is damn bad for walking | 13:15 |
| phrearch | ok, lets see how this brick can become a phone again. i guess its not possible to keep my contacts intact? | 13:15 |
| ShadowJK | flashing emmc would kill contacts for sure | 13:16 |
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| Pauly | hi! | 13:16 |
| phrearch | i got a file called RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin. thats the whole FIASCO thing? | 13:16 |
| mikki-kun | phrearch: that is the complete FIASCO | 13:17 |
| ShadowJK | the emmc image has "emmc" in the name, so that thing is the plain fiasco image | 13:18 |
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| pahartik | ShadowJK: Maemo has "flasher v2.8.2 (Jan 8 2010)" here... That could work... But I do not have another Nokia N900, just Nokia 770 | 13:18 |
| phrearch | mikki-kun: ah found RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | You'd also need to get your healthy N900 into hostmode :) | 13:18 |
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| ShadowJK | If you wrecked your N900 with some random broken multiboot package from -devel, flashing just the fiasco image should work, I think | 13:19 |
| phrearch | hm big red text: When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes. | 13:19 |
| mikki-kun | phrearch: that will flash all your personal info :) | 13:19 |
| mikki-kun | phrearch: you won't need it :) | 13:20 |
| phrearch | good lesson for the next time i guess :-) | 13:20 |
| mikki-kun | if you don't want to flash your personal data as well | 13:20 |
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| phrearch | hm, im dling emmc content now from the nokia site | 13:21 |
| phrearch | im just a bit concerned about the red text, warning against writing eMMC without the fiasco image | 13:21 |
| mikki-kun | ShadowJK: i think with the multiboot-thing even flashing just the kernel is sufficent | 13:21 |
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| mikki-kun | phrearch: so you just want your n900 to boot again, right? :) | 13:22 |
| phrearch | yea, i guess so :) | 13:22 |
| mikki-kun | then you only need the FIASCO :) | 13:22 |
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| ShadowJK | phrearch, I would not flash emmc. I would first try flashing only the fiasco "combined" image. | 13:22 |
| mikki-kun | the n900 is seperated into the rootfs and the emmc | 13:22 |
| Pauly | ughhh | 13:22 |
| phrearch | ok cool. thanks | 13:22 |
| mikki-kun | the rootfs is FIASCO :) (there is all system relevant data inside) | 13:23 |
| Pauly | now im getting the Host kernel VDSO support is incompatible with scratchbox. | 13:23 |
| Pauly | trying to install scratchbox | 13:23 |
| mikki-kun | in the emmc there is just additional place and data for like MyDocs and such :) | 13:23 |
| phrearch | nice to try this anti-brick protection | 13:23 |
| mikki-kun | essentially the n900 can work without the emmc :) | 13:23 |
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| phrearch | is there a way i could inreversibly change this n900 into a brick? | 13:23 |
| mikki-kun | and i might suggest you only flash the kernel and not the whole rootfs :) | 13:24 |
| phrearch | without destroying it physically i mean ;) | 13:24 |
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| phrearch | aha, thats possible as well | 13:24 |
| mikki-kun | phrearch: kill the stuff that loads NOLO | 13:24 |
| phrearch | nolo? | 13:24 |
| mikki-kun | bootloader of the n900 | 13:25 |
| phrearch | aha | 13:25 |
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| phrearch | why? | 13:25 |
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| phrearch | hm, flasher-3.5 -F <FIASCO image> -f , thats all? | 13:25 |
| phrearch | i guess the device should be on | 13:26 |
| mikki-kun | you can even kill nolo afaik, but the thing that loads nolo is essential and can only be made working again with a debugger that connects to the battery-pins (which gives you a terminal to the NAND of the n900) | 13:26 |
| mikki-kun | sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> --flash-only=kernel -f -R | 13:26 |
| mikki-kun | that is the command :) | 13:26 |
| mikki-kun | according to the wiki | 13:27 |
| mikki-kun | and to get your device into flashing mode insert your usb-cable to the computer | 13:27 |
| mikki-kun | then hold the "u" button on the n900's keyboard, while you plug the micro-b end of the usb-cable into the n900 | 13:27 |
| mikki-kun | hold the u-button for a couple of seconds (so the usb-icon on the upper right won't go away) | 13:28 |
| mikki-kun | and then you are good to go and execute the command i copied :) | 13:28 |
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| Pauly | installing scratchbox i love google its the best for searching for help with errors | 13:29 |
| mikki-kun | this command will just flash the kernel (which i hope is sufficent) | 13:29 |
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| mikki-kun | i gave up on scratchbox and let the others do the dirty work :) | 13:29 |
| phrearch | got it. thanks | 13:29 |
| Pauly | i just trying to port one app | 13:30 |
| Pauly | that was already port to diablo | 13:30 |
| phrearch | there were multiple country versions of the fiasco. global is ok? | 13:30 |
| Pauly | Qtwitter its a qt twitter app | 13:30 |
| mikki-kun | phrearch: global should be ok :) | 13:31 |
| phrearch | mikki-kun: ok thanks | 13:31 |
| mikki-kun | i think country specific versions are just so that the wifi is broadcasting in allowed freqencies and such | 13:31 |
| mikki-kun | and some countries don't allow the fm-transmitter | 13:32 |
| phrearch | aha ok | 13:32 |
| phrearch | hm, it returns an error claiming usb interface: device or resource busy | 13:32 |
| phrearch | the n900 is in flash modus i think | 13:32 |
| mikki-kun | hm... | 13:32 |
| mikki-kun | remove the n900 from the usb | 13:33 |
| mikki-kun | take the battery out for a couple of secs | 13:33 |
| mikki-kun | insert your battery back (don't turn it on or let it turn on :) ) | 13:33 |
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| phrearch | the device autodetected matched the phone | 13:34 |
| mikki-kun | and then try the flashing again with the u-key being pushed down while you insert the usb-cable :) | 13:34 |
| phrearch | ok thanks | 13:34 |
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| phrearch | hm, "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." | 13:36 |
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| mikki-kun | it can take some time :) | 13:36 |
| mikki-kun | like 10 secs or so.. | 13:36 |
| alterego | I prefer the turn N900 off then plug it in approach | 13:36 |
| alterego | Works everytime 90 percent of the time | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, do that with the n900 face-down, so you can't easily drop the battery | 13:37 |
| alterego | Oh, reboot loop? | 13:38 |
| phrearch | ok thanks | 13:38 |
| alterego | I've never had to use the 'u' key approach | 13:38 |
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| mikki-kun | phrearch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vg1d6BbjCU&feature=related here some steps in this video :) | 13:38 |
| phrearch | ow nice | 13:39 |
| trx | anyone had problems with libconic callbacks not working? | 13:39 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders posting a 'steps' video link, but decides against, owing to them being shit. | 13:40 | |
| phrearch | aha, some warning about using the front usb connectors | 13:40 |
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| pauly | installing sdk yay | 13:41 |
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| phrearch | hm same message :( | 13:42 |
| phrearch | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy | 13:42 |
| alterego | Are you running as root? | 13:42 |
| phrearch | yes | 13:42 |
| alterego | :/ Never had that issue either .. | 13:42 |
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| pauly | thank god for the maemo5 wiki would have never figured out how to install this | 13:44 |
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| mikki-kun | hm... | 13:44 |
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| phrearch | hm, ill try the flasher under windows | 13:45 |
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| mikki-kun | i heard this might work as well "remove your battery, insert the usb into the n900, hold down the u-key and insert your battery | 13:45 |
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| phrearch | same | 13:46 |
| mikki-kun | Ö.ö | 13:46 |
| mikki-kun | that doesn't sound good... | 13:47 |
| phrearch | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/322153/ | 13:47 |
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| phrearch__ | hope its just a libusb thing | 13:49 |
| pauly | god the maemo5 sdk takes forever to install | 13:49 |
| mikki-kun | pauly: yup, it takes forever :/ | 13:49 |
| pauly | never had that problem and ive reflashed like 2 times this week alone lol | 13:50 |
| mikki-kun | 2 times this week? wow | 13:50 |
| alterego | pauly: you must be trying hard :) | 13:50 |
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| alterego | I've only flashed on firmware updates. | 13:50 |
| alterego | And arguably I never needed to do that .. | 13:51 |
| pauly | i closed the app man while it was working | 13:51 |
| pauly | so | 13:51 |
| pauly | everything got messed up | 13:51 |
| pauly | its so greatthat it dont effect emmc | 13:51 |
| pauly | wow how many things does this need to download | 13:52 |
| pauly | i gather its to late to ask but which is better qt creator or the scratchbox | 13:53 |
| alterego | pauly: depends what you're developing. | 13:53 |
| alterego | Nokia Qt SDK (Qt Creator) is best for app development. | 13:53 |
| pauly | porting qt app | 13:53 |
| alterego | Then Nokia Qt SDK is probably your best bet. | 13:53 |
| pauly | i ttried it on windows 7 | 13:54 |
| pauly | but got confused | 13:54 |
| alterego | Ah, well you can't use scratchbox on windows :) | 13:54 |
| pauly | hah happy hacking | 13:54 |
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| pauly | just installed ubuntu 10.10 | 13:54 |
| alterego | Personally, I use both. | 13:54 |
| alterego | scratchbox is really useful for getting your packaging sorted for uploading to extras-devel | 13:55 |
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| alterego | But I've also integrated Qt Creator with scratchbox, so you can run & test maemo apps from Qt Creator in scratchbox, which is really cool too. | 13:55 |
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| phrearch__ | hm on windows its just stalling on suitable usb device not found, waiting | 13:57 |
| pauly | awesome | 13:57 |
| pauly | im like a real noob | 13:58 |
| pauly | i was trying to copmile qtwitter for maemo5 from source code using the pro file in qt cretaor | 13:58 |
| mikki-kun | phrearch__: hm... sorry, i am out of ideas :/ | 13:59 |
| pauly | but the dependcies messed me up but i realized all the libs i need are aleady ported to maemo5 just renamed with lib in front of them | 13:59 |
| pahartik | ShadowJK: Would it be reasonably easy to boot Maemo with microSDHC as "/", "/home" and "/home/user/MyDocs"... And then flash firmware upgrade? | 14:00 |
| phrearch__ | hm, an option is that also windows vista 64 has issues | 14:00 |
| Aranel | Ouch :| I did "ln -s /opt/ejre/bin /usr/bin" how can I revert this back!? | 14:00 |
| ptl | rm /usr/bin/bin would revert it | 14:00 |
| phrearch__ | trying the ubuntu live cd | 14:00 |
| ptl | unless you had no /usr/bin | 14:01 |
| ptl | is this the case with meego? | 14:01 |
| Aranel | ptl: Maemo 5 | 14:01 |
| ptl | it has /usr/bin, doesn't it? if there is already a /usr/bin directory, that command would just create a /usr/bin/bin link under /usr/bin pointing to /opt/ejre/bin | 14:02 |
| Aranel | ptl: yes it has, and looks like /usr/bin/bin does exist, so I'm going to remove it :) Thanks :) | 14:03 |
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| Aranel | I was really scared like hell, I thought It would overwrite /usr/bin :| | 14:04 |
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| phrearch__ | hm http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=411019&postcount=67 | 14:04 |
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| phrearch__ | hope this fixes it | 14:05 |
| pahartik | Aranel: "ln" does not overwrite without "-f" | 14:05 |
| phrearch__ | is it possible to brick the device by flashing it wrongly? | 14:06 |
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| nidO | no | 14:06 |
| alterego | phrearch__: unlikely. | 14:07 |
| phrearch__ | hm ok, glad to hear | 14:07 |
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| phrearch__ | vista doesnt find the n900 at all, even with the unsigned driver startup | 14:08 |
| nidO | if you're using a 64bit os you'll need to flash it using something else | 14:08 |
| nidO | just load a nix livecd, either instead of windows or in a vm | 14:08 |
| phrearch__ | im dling an ubuntu 32 livecd atm | 14:08 |
| phrearch__ | ok hope that will fix it | 14:08 |
| ThreeM | why not flash with NSU?! | 14:09 |
| Aranel | pahartik: which makes me happy ^^ | 14:09 |
| chem|st | "the box said 'Windows Vista or better' so I installed linux" | 14:09 |
| pahartik | Aranel: Acknowledged | 14:10 |
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| phrearch__ | anyway, glad i finally made my hands dirty by messing up the kernel | 14:11 |
| phrearch__ | good reason to learn something more about the n900 :) | 14:11 |
| ptl | I bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab. The tablet is one of the finest android devices out there, and still I miss my N900 so much. I find it infinitely superior to Android in many aspects... | 14:13 |
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| ptl | it was a pain to set up dropbear sshd to run on my Tab | 14:14 |
| ptl | it is so easy on the N900 | 14:14 |
| ptl | and the plethora of open source software available to the n900... Android does not even come close | 14:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | N900 = Most awesome device ever. | 14:15 |
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| ptl | it is | 14:15 |
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| ThreeM | i like my device too :) | 14:16 |
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| lardman | ptl: I just bought a tab and am planning to port Meego to it | 14:20 |
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| trx | anyone using LibConIc? my callback functions are never called, i check if signal is connected, and it is, but the lib never calls my callback function... Any ideas, or where might i ask for info? | 14:20 |
| lardman | trx: code? | 14:21 |
| trx | sec | 14:21 |
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| pauly | still installing sdk | 14:22 |
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| trx | lardman http://pastebin.com/ShpLX6rB <-- its pascal but its pretty much the same... | 14:24 |
| trx | it opens a new connection as it should | 14:25 |
| alterego | Why on Earth are you using pascal? | 14:25 |
| trx | and everything is fine, except the callback function is never called | 14:25 |
| alterego | Are you setting up a main loop? | 14:26 |
| trx | alterego im delphi coder | 14:26 |
| alterego | Remember you need to have a g_main_loop instance .. | 14:26 |
| trx | yes, i am | 14:26 |
| alterego | Where? | 14:26 |
| trx | lib is opening a new connection | 14:26 |
| trx | that part works fine | 14:27 |
| ptl | lardman: I'll be interested on it greatly :D | 14:27 |
| phrearch__ | hm cool. the ubuntu livecd approach worked | 14:28 |
| phrearch__ | kernel is flashed | 14:28 |
| trx | alterego im not opening g_main_loop directly, that part is handled by my ide.. | 14:28 |
| trx | for example, liblocation's callbacks are fine | 14:28 |
| trx | they work as they should, only with this i have problems | 14:29 |
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| alterego | Hrm | 14:29 |
| phrearch__ | hm i end up in the multiboot menu again | 14:29 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt-plugins/wifi/wifi.cpp?root=maemo-barcode&view=markup is some code that mBarcode uses | 14:29 |
| lardman | not Pascal mind you ;) | 14:29 |
| trx | not a problem | 14:29 |
| trx | ty | 14:29 |
| phrearch__ | option 0 now works again! :D | 14:30 |
| eichi | someone uses the sms counter widget? doenst work here. only shows black | 14:30 |
| phrearch__ | cool, still have everything intact | 14:30 |
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| phrearch__ | pfew thanks for the help. glad its ok again | 14:31 |
| phrearch__ | should i uninstall the multiboot thing? | 14:31 |
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| pauly | omg so cool | 14:35 |
| pauly | got maemo5 sdk | 14:36 |
| pauly | awesome | 14:36 |
| phrearch__ | nice, does it work on non-ubuntu as well? | 14:36 |
| pauly | ya mostly any disto | 14:37 |
| pauly | just dont windows | 14:37 |
| pauly | not^^ | 14:37 |
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| phrearch__ | thats fine | 14:37 |
| phrearch__ | does it run in an armel emulator? | 14:37 |
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| RST38h | actually...no | 14:37 |
| pauly | ya | 14:37 |
| pauly | i think | 14:38 |
| RST38h | Unless it is Ubuntu or Debian, you will be facing some trouble | 14:38 |
| pauly | omg its so fast makes me want to overclock | 14:38 |
| pauly | my n900 | 14:38 |
| pauly | mines past 850 dosent work | 14:39 |
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| phrearch__ | ok, maybe i should try that in an openvz container then | 14:39 |
| phrearch__ | so if i want to use a multiboot power kernel, whats the best way to do it, without me bricking my device again? | 14:40 |
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| phrearch__ | uboot? | 14:43 |
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| lardman | don't use multiboot, use u-boot | 14:54 |
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| phrearch__ | ok, i also want kernel-power. should i install u-boot for kernel-power v46 then? | 14:56 |
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| phrearch__ | hm, bricked it again :S | 14:58 |
| phrearch__ | can i custom load the kernel from uboot? | 15:00 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: "Sheep thefts in Britain likely connected to rising global food prices" | 15:00 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: THAT bad? =) | 15:00 |
| lcuk | RST38h, IDK, ask lardman he has specific affinity to sheep | 15:01 |
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| lardman | oi! | 15:02 |
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| lardman | you weren't supposed to share my sordid secret ;) | 15:02 |
| pauly | if i want to compile a app in scratchbox how do i get it there | 15:02 |
| pauly | where do i download the sorce code to? | 15:02 |
| lcuk | pauly, run the scratchbox session, and use scp/git clone/wget just like you do in any other session | 15:03 |
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| pauly | okay thanks | 15:04 |
| lcuk | pauly, or failing that, from your "normal" linux / the scratchbox user ~ is: /scratchbox/users/gary/home/gary/ | 15:04 |
| lcuk | (obviously replace the username with yours | 15:04 |
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| RST38h | lardman: food shortages? =) | 15:07 |
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| * lardman 's N900 is being picked up tomorrow for a warranty repair, hopefully | 15:09 | |
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| pauly | got it downloaded what i needed using git | 15:27 |
| kpoman | hello | 15:27 |
| kpoman | can someone please tell me if there is a tool able to save battery when idle by underclocking the cpu, but also able to overclock when needed ? the most used one ? | 15:28 |
| pauly | if an app depends on something but its already compiled in extras devel | 15:28 |
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| pauly | In file included from xmlparser.h:29, from xmlparser.cpp:24: twitterapi.h:35:22: error: QtOAuth: No such file or directory?? | 15:30 |
| pauly | when using qmake | 15:30 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi | 15:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | I installed kernel-power. which other package is required for USB host mode? | 15:37 |
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| Venemo_N900 | is it hostmode-gui? | 15:39 |
| trx | lardman thank you very much! i was missing : dbus_connection_setup_with_g_main() | 15:39 |
| lardman | np | 15:39 |
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| Gyjf | Venemo_N900 h-e-n | 15:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | Gyjf: there is no such package | 15:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | Gyjf: there is one named hostmode-gui | 15:41 |
| Gyjf | what respositories do you have? | 15:41 |
| pauly | im sad | 15:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | Gyjf: extras-devel and sdk repo | 15:41 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Gyjf: hostmode-gui created an icon called h-e-n though | 15:42 |
| Gyjf | maybe it changed name or something | 15:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | rebooting | 15:43 |
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| pauly | is there a way i can build without the dependencies? | 15:43 |
| Gyjf | no | 15:44 |
| pauly | there renamed in the extras-devel repos | 15:44 |
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| pauly | i need qtoauth, qca, qca-ossl | 15:45 |
| pauly | but in extras devel there called libqoauth, libqca, libqca-ossl i think? | 15:46 |
| lardman | change the deps in the control file then | 15:46 |
| pauly | i dont think there is one | 15:47 |
| pauly | its qt source souce | 15:47 |
| lardman | I see | 15:47 |
| jacktheripper | you just need to install the dev packages of those mentioned. | 15:48 |
| lardman | well it should still have build deps | 15:48 |
| pauly | using scratchbox install the libqca libqca-ossl and libqtoauth | 15:48 |
| pauly | okay thanks! | 15:49 |
| pauly | im gonna try that | 15:49 |
| jacktheripper | install libqca-dev and libqca-ossl-dev and libqtoauth-dev if those exist | 15:49 |
| pauly | okay ill look on garage maemo | 15:50 |
| pauly | i think there there | 15:50 |
| jacktheripper | umm no, just apt-get install them | 15:50 |
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| pauly | i dont think i have devel enabled on the scratchbox | 15:52 |
| jacktheripper | you should. | 15:52 |
| jacktheripper | it's libqca2-dev btw | 15:52 |
| pauly | thanks so much help | 15:52 |
| pauly | ill just edit the sources list file and add the devel repo right? | 15:53 |
| kpoman | mmm what would be the best app to have the phone change cpu from 125 to 850MHz | 15:53 |
| pauly | qcpu? | 15:53 |
| pauly | its easy | 15:53 |
| jacktheripper | pauly, libqca2-dev and libqoauth-dev, install those and try after adding extras-devel | 15:54 |
| jacktheripper | kpoman, I think that when you overclock, the phone still drops down to 125mhz or 250mhz when idle. | 15:55 |
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| pauly | jacktheripper i add devel in both armel and x86 targets? | 15:55 |
| kpoman | jacktheripper: yep I am looking for an app that could change this and autostart | 15:55 |
| kpoman | or some widget | 15:55 |
| jacktheripper | pauly, depends on what you're trying to do, are you trying to build a package to install on the device ? | 15:56 |
| pauly | yes! | 15:56 |
| jacktheripper | pauly, you could just work on the armel target if so, but you won't lose anything if you add it to both | 15:56 |
| pauly | i am | 15:56 |
| pauly | okay thanks | 15:56 |
| pauly | sry im a noob | 15:56 |
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| jacktheripper | kpoman, not sure what app does that best. | 15:57 |
| kpoman | jacktheripper: do you use any ? what is the most popular one at least to see it in screenshots / facts | 15:58 |
| jacktheripper | kpoman, I don't overclock, that's why. You could try googling the forum. | 15:58 |
| Gyjf | anyone tried the Nitendo DS emulator for n900? | 15:58 |
| jacktheripper | Gyjf, yes, too slow. | 15:59 |
| Gyjf | too bad :/ | 15:59 |
| Gyjf | the playstation emu then? | 15:59 |
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| jacktheripper | it's pretty good for some games, slow on a minority. But it's getting better! | 16:00 |
| phrearch__ | hm, with uboot installed and multiboot at the same time, would it be possible to flash the kernel again? | 16:00 |
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| phrearch__ | i prefer to have multiboot gone though | 16:01 |
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| pauly | jacktheripper: i added deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 16:01 |
| pauly | to the sources list but it didnt work? | 16:01 |
| Gyjf | so, a game like Crash Bandicot 3, would that run fine? | 16:01 |
| jacktheripper | pauly, did you apt-get update ? | 16:01 |
| Gyjf | or tekken | 16:01 |
| Gyjf | 3 | 16:01 |
| pauly | ya | 16:01 |
| pauly | GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' | 16:02 |
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| jacktheripper | Gyjf, I'm not sure, check the forum. There's a compatibility list too. games like FFVII and GT2 work well I think | 16:02 |
| pauly | im thinking i typed it wrong | 16:02 |
| Gyjf | i was worried since even the GBA emulatow was slow | 16:02 |
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| jacktheripper | pauly, I don't think GPG is a problem, did you try apt-get install ? | 16:04 |
| jacktheripper | Gyjf, yeah, optimization problem, hardware is capable. | 16:04 |
| pauly | i tried apt-get update | 16:04 |
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| Gyjf | yea, thought so | 16:04 |
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| jacktheripper | pauly, try apt-get install libqca2-dev libqoauth-dev | 16:05 |
| Gyjf | are there any good native games that use the camera/accelerometer or such? | 16:05 |
| jacktheripper | Gyjf, there's a program that prepares a palm pre environment on the N900 and runs many of its games, search the forum | 16:06 |
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| pauly | got it | 16:06 |
| pauly | yay | 16:06 |
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| pauly | jacktheripper: still get same error when trying to make | 16:08 |
| pauly | witterapi.h:35:22: error: QtOAuth: No such file or directory | 16:08 |
| pauly | maybe it cant be ported? idk it was ported to diablo | 16:09 |
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| jacktheripper | pauly, not sure how to solve that, but the problem lies in not finding /usr/include/QtOAuth/QtOAuth which you just installed, check if it's there. | 16:14 |
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| pauly | ya its there | 16:15 |
| RST38h | Nokia has confirmed that it's terminating the music service formerly known as Comes With Music in most of the territories in which it operates, including the UK, by the end of the year. | 16:15 |
| pauly | jacktheripper: ya its there | 16:15 |
| RST38h | didn't work? | 16:15 |
| jacktheripper | pauly, hrmm not sure | 16:15 |
| pauly | this is like ther first thing ive compiled from source | 16:16 |
| pauly | i think im doing something wrong but im not sure | 16:16 |
| pauly | qmake qtwiiter.pro and then make, right? | 16:17 |
| jacktheripper | I have no idea | 16:17 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Comes with Music, leaves without it | 16:17 |
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| pauly | ive been tring for 3 days to install this | 16:20 |
| pauly | compile it | 16:20 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, it was quite obvious that it is better to do what you can do reasonably well, i.e. phones, and stop fucking with fashion thingies like "we want to make money from services and infrastructure" (read: make our phones incompatible with those who do it well because of our own lame child) | 16:20 |
| Arkenoi | I wish nokia finally get some agreement with google about really *good* services integration and will focus on MAKING PHONES! | 16:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi | 16:20 |
| jonwil | IMO Symbian is outdated and should go, at least for the highest-end phones | 16:21 |
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| Gyjf | is it only me who cant find how to capture video with the n900? | 16:21 |
| jacktheripper | yes | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | yep | 16:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: would it work if I connected a USB HDD to the N900 with host mode with an Y-cable whose other end I connected to the wall charger for power? | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | i suggest you rtfm :p | 16:22 |
| Gyjf | where is the setting for video/still? | 16:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | under the X button | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | there's an A | 16:22 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: I also ask for your opinion on this one | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | click it | 16:22 |
| Gyjf | aah thankyou | 16:22 |
| Gyjf | it was set on macro | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | you'll see the light | 16:22 |
| Gyjf | so i just thought that was the macro settingd lol :P | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | Venemo_N900, fire away | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: <sigh> | 16:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: see above my post to DocScrutinizer | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Android. | 16:23 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Arkenoi: if you know this well, why don't you start your own cell phone company? | 16:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | ~botsnack | 16:25 |
| infobot | aw, gee, Venemo_N900 | 16:25 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, others do it, even without adopting android. | 16:26 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, almost any platform works flawlessly with google services except those made by Nokia | 16:26 |
| khertan_ | Arkenoi: hum ... false ... freerunner have some problem too | 16:27 |
| khertan_ | blackberry too :) | 16:27 |
| ptl | stop flaming maemo. | 16:27 |
| khertan_ | :) | 16:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | ptl: I agree with you! | 16:29 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yes | 16:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | thx | 16:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | see the DVD vid :p | 16:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | does it work the same way? | 16:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's a Y cable connected to my PC/PS3 | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | yep | 16:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: ok, but isn't it a problem that the data cords of the wall charger are short-circuited? | 16:31 |
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| plr___ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCD1c0WqYI&feature=related cinders? :) I receive internal error and after that those are not working until I restart | 16:32 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: I recall you or Doc saying that they are; and I dunno if it's a problem for the usb hdd | 16:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 16:49 |
| timeless_xchat | how's it going mohammadag? | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | you're using a special 5V adapter right? | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | fine timeless_xchat, just got home from my exams :) | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | thp, thanks! | 16:50 |
| timeless_xchat | did well, i hope? | 16:51 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: eh. I couldn't find such an adapter that would convert from microusb female to usb female... | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | yep :) | 16:51 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: that way I have no way of powering it :( | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | find a fake iPod charger | 16:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: congrats to the exams btw :P | 16:52 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: fake ipod charger? | 16:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: how does that look? | 16:52 |
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| MohammadAG51 | AC to USB | 16:54 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it's a full female USB port | 16:54 |
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| luke-jr | Arkenoi: Google can't write code for beans. Just because other idiot-pleaser browsers tolerate this bad code, doesn't make it right. | 16:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: hmmm | 16:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: that should do what I need | 16:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yep | 16:55 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: and since icrap is popular, I should be able to find such a charger easily | 16:56 |
| maybeWTF | TOO SOON | 16:56 |
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| Venemo_N900 | maybeWTF: ? | 16:56 |
| maybeWTF | oh wait, jobs isn't dead yet | 16:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | maybeWTF: lol | 16:57 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: although I'm surprised that icrap doesn't have a properitary charger... | 16:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: if I connect a mouse, will the cursor shw up? | 16:58 |
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| Venemo_N900 | s/shw/show | 16:58 |
| timeless_xchat | venemo_n900 : eh? | 16:59 |
| timeless_xchat | apple has a spiffy set of universal adapters | 16:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless_xchat: I didn't know | 16:59 |
| timeless_xchat | interchangable plugs for the various stupid outlets | 16:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless_xchat: I've never owned an apple product | 16:59 |
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| timeless_xchat | and interchangable charger bits for the various devices | 17:00 |
| timeless_xchat | essentially they've created their own standard | 17:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 17:00 |
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| timeless_xchat | but it's better than the dozens of awkward and incompatible adapters each other vendor uses | 17:01 |
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| timeless_xchat | apple makes good hardware <period> | 17:01 |
| timeless_xchat | they also charge for it | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, they have one | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | but it's like 60 bucks | 17:01 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless_xchat: yes, but they make not so good software | 17:01 |
| nidO | foxconn are indeed a fairly high quality manufacture when they want to be | 17:01 |
| timeless_xchat | you're free to dislike their software or disagree with their decisions | 17:01 |
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| luke-jr | Apple /used to/ make good hardware. | 17:02 |
| timeless_xchat | but you should respect their hardware | 17:02 |
| luke-jr | Now it's all x86 crap | 17:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ? | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | they have a charger | 17:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless_xchat: what I don't like is their price to value ratio | 17:02 |
| timeless_xchat | luke-jr: which hardware bothers you? | 17:02 |
| luke-jr | timeless_xchat: x86 | 17:02 |
| timeless_xchat | the iPhone antenna? | 17:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: oh, so this is why you said I should look for a fake one | 17:02 |
| timeless_xchat | some phone vendor interested in secrecy was going to screw that up | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, you just need something like this http://www.nobodybuy.com/2010/06/22/lisahe851127/400x400_p1292603/usb-ac-adapter.jpg | 17:03 |
| timeless_xchat | i was expecting it to be nokia :) | 17:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: mhm | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | and given I found one in Israel... | 17:03 |
| timeless_xchat | luke-jr, ah well... commodity chips win out | 17:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ok, I get your point | 17:04 |
| luke-jr | how about commodity currency? | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | btw | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | while I was doing the exam | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | I had the N900 on the charger (:P) | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | then when I was done (it had a full battery), I unplugged it | 17:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | so? :P | 17:04 |
| luke-jr | anyone want Civ 5? | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | 5 minutes later, it said "Recharge battery" | 17:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | heh | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | I was like wtf | 17:05 |
| nidO | civ5 is bleh :( | 17:05 |
| timeless_xchat | luke-jr, the yuan? | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | removed battery, put it back in, 80% or somethin | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | bme is crap | 17:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: :D | 17:05 |
| phrearch__ | hey | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | all devices except mobiles do this properly | 17:05 |
| phrearch__ | whats the preferred way to install power-kernel? i cant find it in devel anymore | 17:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: it siphoned your bioenergy and recharged from that | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | Laptops, they say the laptop is about to go flat, hibernate? Shutdown? GTFO? | 17:06 |
| trx | lets all do a "stop bme" as a protest to nokia :) | 17:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | phrearch__: apt-get? | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | but no, mobiles decide to shut down on your own | 17:06 |
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| jonwil | Ok, just confirmed that there is nothing else usefull in the meego tree other than the MCE code I found before | 17:06 |
| timeless_xchat | mohammadag: bigger devices have more space and can afford more complicated components | 17:06 |
| phrearch__ | Venemo: i tried both multiboot-power (but that was for 1.2 i saw later) and uboot, but both left me with an unbootable n900 | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, bme can ask me "Shall I shut down or let your device die, corrupting data and such?" | 17:07 |
| timeless_xchat | mohammadag: i've asked about hibernate | 17:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: my laptop does that | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | I'd go for the latter, since I _KNOW_ the battery is charged | 17:07 |
| jonwil | finding that MCE source code in the meego repos was very good though :) | 17:08 |
| timeless_xchat | iirc they insisted that supporting that last minute 911 (112) call was more important | 17:08 |
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| Aranel | Anyone want to check http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=922320 out and help me about it? Pleease? | 17:08 |
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| MohammadAG | wtf? | 17:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ok, first random phone shop on the street didn't have such a charger | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | onTextChanged(), if text == 911 || test = 112), emergencyButton->show(); | 17:09 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hehe | 17:10 |
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| Venemo_N900 | timeless_xchat: I've never, ever made an emergency call | 17:12 |
| timeless_xchat | mohammadag: the idea is that the cost of suspending gracefully (in terms of battery) is something that the user might want for making that 911 call | 17:12 |
| timeless_xchat | venemo_n900 : right, but... imagine you have a loved-one who needs that call made | 17:13 |
| timeless_xchat | oh wait, this is a linux channel, no loved-ones? | 17:13 |
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| lardman | no 911 | 17:13 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, wait, so if I call 911 my battery will extend its life? | 17:13 |
| lardman | ;) | 17:13 |
| * MohammadAG posts on tmo | 17:13 | |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless_xchat: I have a loved one, but she also hasn't used emergency calls yet. | 17:13 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: ask them to put you through to the loved one you were wanting to call? | 17:14 |
| timeless_xchat | venemo_n900, and you hope they'll never need to | 17:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless_xchat: why would se need that call made? | 17:14 |
| timeless_xchat | but you want them to be able to | 17:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless_xchat: ok, I get your point | 17:14 |
| timeless_xchat | good | 17:14 |
| timeless_xchat | because my loved-ones are in two rooms around me for the first time in years | 17:14 |
| timeless_xchat | and one of their phones was acquired almost entirely for emergency use | 17:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | hmm | 17:15 |
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| timeless_xchat | hey, comes with music is dead! | 17:21 |
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| phrearch__ | hm, besides uboot, what kernel packages do i need? | 17:23 |
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| phrearch__ | hm ok nice. got that working | 17:27 |
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| phrearch__ | is overclocking not allowed anymore with kernel-power? | 17:35 |
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| Venemo_N900 | ~ping | 17:41 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | so timeless_xchat, if I ask for an "ipod charger", I will get a standard ac to usb converter? | 17:41 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: will you merge it into your H-D build? :) | 17:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | thp, already did | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | :) | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | check your post | 17:48 |
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| thp | nice :) | 17:49 |
| thp | MohammadAG51: it turns out i like that non-blur desaturation much more than the blur effect :p | 17:49 |
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| Venemo_N900 | how can I ask Maemo to give me a mouse cursor when I plug in a mouse with h-e-n? | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | thp, it's faster, and it looks sexy :) | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | automatically, you don't :P | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | bt-hid-scripts2 | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | then use togglemouse | 17:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | aah, okay | 17:50 |
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| Venemo_N900 | thanks MohammadAG51 | 17:51 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: with this package installed, will the bt hid whatever daemon run continuously too? | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | nope | 17:54 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51: it started something called bluetoothd | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's the normal maemo 5 bt daemon | 17:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | ah, ok | 17:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | will h-e-n able to recognize a hub with multiple stuff plugged in? | 17:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | will h-e-n be able to recognize a hub with multiple stuff plugged in? | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | yea | 17:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | the USB driver will | 17:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | great :) | 17:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | all that remains is that ipod charger | 17:58 |
| timeless_xchat | venemo_n900: you should get a standard ac to usb jack, you get to bring your own usb to usb micro cable | 17:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless_xchat: I need it to power a USB HDD | 17:59 |
| * timeless_xchat isn't sure jack is the right word | 17:59 | |
| timeless_xchat | venemo_n900 : ok, usb to whatever :) | 17:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless_xchat: since obviously an N900 won't be able to power it :) | 17:59 |
| timeless_xchat | not sure about its output range | 17:59 |
| thp | timeless_xchat: "powered usb hub"? | 17:59 |
| timeless_xchat | thp: with just one port? | 18:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | thp: I don't have a powered usb hub | 18:00 |
| * timeless_xchat wouldn't call one port a hub | 18:00 | |
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| thp | timeless_xchat: "active repeater"? | 18:01 |
| thp | Venemo_N900: just buy a powered usb hub. they are cheap and you can connect more devices. | 18:01 |
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| timeless_xchat | thp: they're probably bigger ;) | 18:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | thp: ok, I'll look for one then | 18:02 |
| timeless_xchat | and less shiny | 18:02 |
| timeless_xchat | but yeah, unless you're traveling internationally, i wouldn't go out of my way to get this apple component | 18:02 |
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| Venemo_N900 | okay | 18:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | you convinced me | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: yes if you do that after clicking vbus boost | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: in a Y-cable, the "power" trunk has no data wires | 18:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | thx DocScrutinizer | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: the concern is you mustn't apply VBUS voltage to N900 - no matter internally (vboost) or external VBUS - before you clicked vboost in h-e-n. It's ok though to plug in the USB after clicking vboost, even when it's connected to usb charger and HDD | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should hurry though, there are certain timeouts | 18:43 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: what would happen if I simply plugged the usb hdd into the n900? | 18:49 |
| kerio | haha | 18:50 |
| kerio | yeah right | 18:50 |
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| alterego | Qt makes quite a nice foundation for a graphics engine :) | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: most likely overcurrent protection of vboost converter would trip and vbus voltage drops and booston script errs out | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | effectively that's blocking hostmode operation until you stop and restart h-e-n | 18:54 |
| alterego | Now to get my pixel buffer render sorted and set about some nice UI integration | 18:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: hm | 18:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: problem is, I wasn't able to find neither a self-powered hub, nor an adapter for the wall charger, nor an ac->usb charger | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange, AC->USB charges/adapters are sold here in every supermarket and gas station | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, the large ones at least | 18:58 |
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| DaReaper | Hi | 18:59 |
| DaReaper | Does Aircrack-ng work with Nokias kernel ? | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: alas I have no idea what advice to give | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | DaReaper: nope | 19:00 |
| DaReaper | or i need Kernel power 46 ? | 19:00 |
| DaReaper | should that do ? ^ | 19:01 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: here they only sell ac->microusb male and ac->miniusb male | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I see. So splice up something DIY? | 19:02 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: DIY=? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~diy | 19:04 |
| infobot | well, diy is do-it-yourself; sans distro | 19:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | oh. | 19:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | I don't have the necessary equipment | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | then I really don't see how to help you out. ebay? | 19:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | if I did, that would be my 1st choice | 19:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | nah, I'll just wait for my laptop to return from repair | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how's that going to help? (except for hooking HDD up to laptop rather than N900) | 19:06 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I don't really need to access the hdd from the n900. it would be fun though | 19:09 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hmm | 19:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | ok, I got home | 19:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | it recognizes mouse movement, but not clicks :( | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just try what's going to happen when you simply hook it up. Lemme point you to a script that's going to help you a bit... | 19:17 |
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| Aranel | http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings example is not working. It only shows up Skype contacts, not Cellphone ones. | 19:46 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Aranel: under what user account do you run it? | 19:50 |
| Aranel | Venemo_N900: oops, root. :| | 19:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | Aranel: try running it as "user" user | 19:51 |
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| kpoman | hi again ! | 19:51 |
| Aranel | oh ok It's working now :) Sorry, I forgot that I'm using SSH sometimes. | 19:51 |
| kpoman | can someone please help me, I have Xorg using 50% cpu and it wont stop using it | 19:52 |
| kpoman | is there a way to see what is going on ? | 19:52 |
| kpoman | I checked the logfile and there is nothing interesting there | 19:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | Aranel: it is a known thing that you can't access contacts via other accounts | 19:52 |
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| kpoman | do someone know if there is a known bug with xorg eating 100% cpu ? | 20:02 |
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| jacekowski | kpoman: it's normal | 20:03 |
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| kpoman | lol | 20:03 |
| kpoman | are u kidding :) | 20:04 |
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| kpoman | even without any action or whatever | 20:04 |
| jacekowski | yes | 20:04 |
| kpoman | how do I increase verbose on the logs ? | 20:04 |
| jacekowski | you can't | 20:04 |
| jacekowski | that's all you will get | 20:05 |
| kpoman | it is not normal | 20:05 |
| jacekowski | if you run htop or something that's enough to cause quite a bit of load on xorg | 20:05 |
| jacekowski | run htop via ssh | 20:05 |
| kpoman | yep but yesterday I got conky all day and xorg was about 5% | 20:05 |
| kpoman | now it is about 100% all time without stopping | 20:05 |
| jacekowski | maybe then your cpu was running at higher speed | 20:06 |
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| kpoman | now it is a 850MHz and 50% | 20:06 |
| jacekowski | that explains it | 20:06 |
| jacekowski | first, run it at normal speed | 20:06 |
| kpoman | what would cpu speed has to do ? | 20:07 |
| jacekowski | thermal throttling | 20:07 |
| jacekowski | and ram not running with higher latencies | 20:07 |
| jacekowski | s/not/ | 20:08 |
| jacekowski | s/not// | 20:08 |
| infobot | jacekowski meant: s// | 20:08 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 20:08 |
| jacekowski | lot of possibilities | 20:08 |
| jacekowski | overclocking is bad | 20:08 |
| kpoman | he | 20:08 |
| kpoman | let me reboot the phone | 20:08 |
| jacekowski | and gives you bricked device at best | 20:08 |
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| kpoman | jacekowski: but not constantly overclocking. there is an ondemand governor which should do its job | 20:09 |
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| jacekowski | nope | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | overclocking is bad | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | even running it at 600MHz for longer period of time is bad | 20:10 |
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| kpoman | just reoboted it. now xorg takes less than 1% | 20:11 |
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| kpoman | but I already saw it some times get to 50% or 100% without anything particular. like if it was on infinite loop of something | 20:12 |
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| jacekowski | xrestop | 20:12 |
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| kpoman | just ran swappolube, let me see if that caused the problem | 20:15 |
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| TheJ | hi | 20:26 |
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| TheJ | does someone know how to add a new script to the greasemonkey addon in n900? | 20:26 |
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| TheJ | or the folder where i should move the script? | 20:27 |
| kpoman | apparently its not him. let me now see firefox | 20:29 |
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| kpoman | apparently not fennec / firefox neither | 20:32 |
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| mikki-kun | fennec is a ressource-hogger | 20:39 |
| mikki-kun | we have micro-B which is imo a way better browser | 20:39 |
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| jacekowski | opera is better | 20:43 |
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| mikki-kun | jacekowski: not if you want flash ;) | 20:46 |
| * pahartik has ended up using Fennec on Maemo, even though it lacks "load this bitmap image document this time" context menu entry | 20:46 | |
| Venemo_N900 | Fennec is not bad, it just needs some optimalization | 20:47 |
| jacekowski | it's firefox based | 20:48 |
| mikki-kun | it takes like 20 secs on my device to load | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | well, it takes 10s on full blown desktop to load | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | 20s is not so bad on phone | 20:48 |
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| mikki-kun | jacekowski: microB loads in way less time :) | 20:49 |
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| mikki-kun | sure fennec has some nice features, but microB still just loads way faster and is in general more usable somehow | 20:50 |
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| Venemo_N900 | microb is also FF-based | 20:50 |
| mikki-kun | yup :) | 20:50 |
| mikki-kun | so why not use the faster fox ;) | 20:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | but microb is on the rootfs and is preloaded on startup. | 20:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | so it has an unfair advantage | 20:51 |
| Venemo_N900 | + fennec is just beta, not final | 20:51 |
| wmarone | even after being loaded fennec is horribly slow :/ | 20:51 |
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| mikki-kun | how can we build our own rootfs? | 20:51 |
| wmarone | you don't want to | 20:52 |
| mikki-kun | i've seen how much of a fiasco the FIASCO really is... | 20:52 |
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| mikki-kun | or is it even dirtier? | 20:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: you can put anything on the rootfs if you wanna | 20:53 |
| mikki-kun | Venemo_N900: i wanted to have a flashable image of that so i can have a bunch of different root-fs's | 20:53 |
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| eichi | how can i see, which firmware version of maemo5 i have installed? | 20:55 |
| jacekowski | settings -> about | 20:55 |
| jacekowski | it's all in google | 20:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: hm. there is an infamous app called "bootmenu" which makes it possible to make an image from your current rootfs | 20:55 |
| mikki-kun | Venemo_N900: hm, i heard it fails at times pretty hard :) | 20:56 |
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| KevinB | Hi guys | 20:58 |
| KevinB | do you think swaplubbe is really efficient ? | 20:58 |
| mece | no | 20:59 |
| KevinB | haha | 20:59 |
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| KevinB | I even think it may decrease performance... that s how it feels | 20:59 |
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| mece | I guess it depends entirely on how you use the device. | 21:01 |
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| mece | I haven't tried it in a long time, but it felt slower when I tried it. | 21:01 |
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| * pahartik certainly hopes that "load image" will appear in Fennec context menu by first release version | 21:03 | |
| mikki-kun | from my experience it worked better with swapolube | 21:03 |
| bjv | that's just vfs cache pressure, etc. tuning, yes? | 21:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | pahartik: open a bugreport about it | 21:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | bjv: yes | 21:05 |
| mikki-kun | bjv: yeah, some kernel-parameters getting tuned | 21:05 |
| bjv | vm/page-cluster is interesting | 21:06 |
| bjv | that might interact well/poorly with ramzez | 21:06 |
| jacekowski | not really | 21:06 |
| mikki-kun | ramzez? | 21:06 |
| pahartik | Venemo_N900: Can you refer to bug database interface by URL? | 21:06 |
| jacekowski | it's just how much data will be swapped at once | 21:06 |
| bjv | which could be interesting with ramzez | 21:06 |
| bjv | i feel like swap partition on external card, is still pretty fast | 21:07 |
| mikki-kun | bjv: depends on your card :) | 21:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | pahartik: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ (what a surprise) | 21:08 |
| bjv | but i can get slammed with 20+ sec waits if i run too many browsers+ maemo mapper | 21:08 |
| mikki-kun | my class2 certainly should not be used for it ^^ | 21:08 |
| bjv | where as with ramzez, it runs at about the same pace as swap partition | 21:08 |
| bjv | until i exceed the ramzez swap device and go out onto disk | 21:09 |
| bjv | but even that only puts me in 8sec ish wait territory | 21:09 |
| bjv | while running the same workloads | 21:09 |
| pahartik | Venemo_N900: Thank you | 21:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | pahartik: yw :) | 21:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | pahartik: give me the url of the bug once you open it in order for me to vote | 21:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | pahartik: (I would also find this feature useful) | 21:10 |
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| kpoman | do someone know something about SmartReflex ? | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | yes | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | what is the problem | 21:15 |
| mikki-kun | what is that? | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | drivers are broken | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | it's not working | 21:15 |
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| kpoman | jacekowski: how do I enable it and still have a stable os ? | 21:16 |
| wmarone | don't | 21:16 |
| jacekowski | you don't | 21:16 |
| jacekowski | unless you want to write working driver | 21:16 |
| kpoman | jacekowski: how to use it ? | 21:16 |
| jacekowski | it's builtin cpu thing | 21:16 |
| kpoman | jacekowski: or what to do to have better battery time ? | 21:16 |
| jacekowski | and there are no working drivers | 21:16 |
| jacekowski | get better battery | 21:16 |
| jacekowski | not use skype | 21:17 |
| jacekowski | but you won't get more than 2 days anyways | 21:17 |
| kpoman | what do you mean ? even using nothing I get about 6 hours | 21:17 |
| jacekowski | maybe 3 | 21:17 |
| jacekowski | get new battery | 21:17 |
| kpoman | jacekowski: it is new. completely new phone. got it last week | 21:17 |
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| jacekowski | do you have skype enabled? | 21:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: reflash with latest release and read the tips on TMO | 21:18 |
| kpoman | jacekowski: yep but did not chat or whatever | 21:18 |
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| jacekowski | disable skype | 21:19 |
| kpoman | Venemo_N900: I have latest, PR1.3 ? which command line gives enough detail ? | 21:19 |
| jacekowski | keeping skype enabled keeps connection enabled | 21:19 |
| jacekowski | and modem is transmitting all the time | 21:19 |
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| jacekowski | which on it's own kills battery | 21:19 |
| jacekowski | and if you have less than optimal signal it's even worse | 21:19 |
| kpoman | jacekowski: why other phones have fring or msn or skype or whatever and last for many days ? | 21:19 |
| jacekowski | like what/ | 21:20 |
| wmarone | none | 21:20 |
| kpoman | I understand | 21:20 |
| kpoman | but | 21:20 |
| kpoman | want to use the phone. if not, let me use those old nokia lasting for 5 days | 21:20 |
| jacekowski | there are no other phones that have skype and last days | 21:20 |
| jacekowski | first, n900 is not a phone | 21:20 |
| jacekowski | it's a tablet | 21:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: constant data connection will drain your battery. period. | 21:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: I usually manage to get a day or so of battery life | 21:21 |
| pahartik | Venemo_N900: Reading through list of titles at "https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=Fennec&content=load+image" to see if report already exists | 21:21 |
| kpoman | Venemo_N900: yep sure. I already disabled facebook widget and some other stuff... however skype is part of the interest in having a smart phone | 21:21 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, technically, the n810 has skype and lasts quite a while. | 21:21 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: also set-up your mail-receiving times to like once an hour and not every 5 minutes | 21:21 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: I did that today. put from 5m to 15m for imap | 21:21 |
| wmarone | lcuk: but is it integrated like the N900, or a standalone app like on the iPhone? | 21:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: well then live with the consequences | 21:21 |
| mikki-kun | set down the brightness a notch or two (i have it on 3) and that will already help you | 21:21 |
| jacekowski | well, e-mails are nothing compared to skype | 21:21 |
| kpoman | I also wanted to disable attachment autodownload but seems like the funcionality doesnt exist on modest | 21:21 |
| lcuk | wmarone, afaik (its been a while) its integrated :) | 21:22 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: 15 mins... do you rely that heavily on emails? | 21:22 |
| lcuk | its been a long while actually | 21:22 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: yep lot, I have many hours fuses | 21:22 |
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| mikki-kun | jacekowski: if you have three email-accounts syncing and you get on some ridicolously large emails it will drain your bat | 21:22 |
| kpoman | work with people from colombia, argentina, brazil, and france | 21:22 |
| kpoman | almost 8h gap | 21:22 |
| kpoman | mails anytime all the time | 21:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: 6 hours is quite good with a constant data connection. | 21:22 |
| lcuk | hm | 21:23 |
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| mikki-kun | ohhhh, and tracker... | 21:23 |
| * lcuk turns off computer | 21:23 | |
| mikki-kun | the tracker is said to be somewhat powerhungry at times | 21:23 |
| kpoman | Venemo_N900: how do I tune the phone to work as a blackberry for example | 21:23 |
| jacekowski | btw. is push working on MfE on N900? | 21:23 |
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| mikki-kun | kpoman: buy a blackberry :) | 21:24 |
| kpoman | Venemo_N900: I mean I used that 8310 bb for say 3 to 4 days | 21:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: so what then? | 21:24 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: did you run there skype? :) | 21:24 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: no skype ... however I think that OVI thing of nokia should be there to help | 21:24 |
| kpoman | and do thing like mail caching | 21:24 |
| kpoman | or whatever | 21:24 |
| kpoman | instead of spam | 21:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: increase the e-mail interval. then reduce screen brigness. switch to 2G if you don't need 3G speed. | 21:24 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh and are you on 3g or wlan? | 21:24 |
| kpoman | I think BB uses a lot of BB services to optimize network flow or whatever | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | and dsable skype | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | with bb you have server that does all heavy lifting | 21:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: install autodisconnect. it will disconnect unused data connections | 21:25 |
| kpoman | yep | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | and phone that get's all nice digested data | 21:25 |
| kpoman | that would be interesting on n900 / ovi | 21:25 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: that doesn't make stuff better :) running skype does decrease your battery lifetime by some more or less huge amount :) | 21:25 |
| kpoman | or whatever the name of that spam thing is called | 21:25 |
| kpoman | :p | 21:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: and only login to skype if you use it. if not, log out and disconnect | 21:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: this is all I can tell | 21:26 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: see, a server could help indexing mails, show only new stuff, allow searching, preview attachments, pass a small part of the text and more if needed, etc... | 21:26 |
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| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: there're posts about smartreflex on tmo, but it makes the device freeze and randomly reboot for some people | 21:27 |
| kpoman | Venemo_N900: yep.. that happened to me | 21:28 |
| jacekowski | kpoman: and overclocking makes battery life shorter as well | 21:28 |
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| kpoman | Venemo_N900: maybe this happens with specific kernel. I have the power 46 right now. and got reboots with freq scaing with max 850MHz | 21:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: HAH | 21:29 |
| kpoman | jacekowski: yes in general, but I suppose you should also put the display and network and all in the equation | 21:29 |
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| jacekowski | overclocking will break your device | 21:29 |
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| kpoman | I mean, if you stay for 5 minutes waiting for a stuff to load, it will eat maybe more memory than if you stay 3 minutes | 21:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: OVERcLOcKING DRAINS YOUR BATTERY IN ADDITION TO BREAKING YOUR DEVIcE | 21:29 |
| kpoman | jacekowski: ok I will disable that :p | 21:29 |
| mikki-kun | Captain CAPS and his crew are present :) | 21:29 |
| kpoman | I dont care much about overclocking | 21:30 |
| mikki-kun | XD | 21:30 |
| kpoman | just tested today for the first time | 21:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | lol mikki-kun :P | 21:30 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: how much email do you get in an hour? | 21:30 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: I get about 5 emails per hour | 21:30 |
| kpoman | half of them have attachments of more that 1MB | 21:30 |
| mikki-kun | hm... so are you getting the 6h on wlan or 3g? | 21:30 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: I actually dont have really graphs about battery usage. only today. I put it with full charge at 7AM then at 2PM it was already dead | 21:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: bring with yourself a charger then. | 21:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: also buy a car charger | 21:32 |
| kpoman | had maybe some imap usage (about 20MB of attachments) | 21:32 |
| kpoman | not a lot of stuff | 21:32 |
| mikki-kun | *sigh* i didn't ask about graphs, i asked about whether you use 3g or wlan :) | 21:32 |
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| kpoman | Venemo_N900: I would prefer, by now, to find out what is the common sense to improve bat life | 21:32 |
| kpoman | for example mail check frequency, | 21:32 |
| kpoman | not do download attachments alone | 21:32 |
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| kpoman | put to 2g instead of 3g (is that true ???) | 21:33 |
| kpoman | etc... | 21:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: I already told you about a dozen ways to improve battery life | 21:33 |
| kpoman | I read that SmartReflex is "the must" | 21:33 |
| kpoman | but is unstable with some configs | 21:33 |
| kpoman | I wonder if we are able to see how to make it stable | 21:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: there is a status menu applet which allows you to change between 2G 3G and dual with a single click | 21:34 |
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| kpoman | Venemo_N900: yep just installed one to do that | 21:34 |
| mikki-kun | ahhhh and don't use widgets which pool data lik every 5 minutes :) | 21:34 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: took off that facebook thing | 21:35 |
| mikki-kun | weather-app? | 21:35 |
| kpoman | no | 21:35 |
| kpoman | dont have that | 21:35 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: poll* | 21:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | or set the update interval of those widgets to a higher number | 21:35 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: ohhh, i thought it was pool ^^ | 21:35 |
| kpoman | I think the problem with skype is that its network protocol tries lot of different routes all the time | 21:35 |
| kpoman | to improve comm quality | 21:35 |
| kpoman | so I get all the time like 15 connexions trying to login | 21:36 |
| kpoman | that sucks | 21:36 |
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| kpoman | brb | 21:36 |
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| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: were you the one with whom I talked about how to run a video in the background? | 21:38 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: either use it or not :) but if you want better battery life think about what you really need on it | 21:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: I tried to email Jonny Lamb, but seems that he no longer has the address that is in the package interface | 21:42 |
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| kpoman | mikki-kun: do you know o a good battery logger | 21:47 |
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| mikki-kun | battery logger? | 21:48 |
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| kpoman | battery charge logger ... I am right now using battery eye application | 21:48 |
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| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: there's batteryeye and batterygraph | 21:49 |
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| kpoman | yep, battery eye seems quite good ... it was not updating but now does :p I was just impatient | 21:50 |
| kpoman | Venemo_N900: do you know if there is an app able to log amount of traffic by PID or whatever ? | 21:52 |
| kpoman | to see who is connecting, how much time, how much data etc... | 21:52 |
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| kpoman | I suppose skype is using a lot of battery but would like to see it in numbers | 21:52 |
| kpoman | and also (general question), is an established tcp connexion the same than a voice communication ? | 21:52 |
| kpoman | in terms of battery usage | 21:53 |
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| iluminator101 | is there call forwarding service this way i dont have to give out my real number? | 21:55 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, which address? | 21:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: the one that is in his package info | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | kpoman: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 21:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: I hot a delivery error for it | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N900, pm me the address you are using | 21:56 |
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| iluminator101 | is there a service i can get a fake number as a call forwarder, this way i dont have have to give out my real number? | 21:57 |
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| kpoman | SpeedEvil: thank you for the link... let me read it | 21:58 |
| lcuk | and Venemo_N900 which specific package name version link | 21:58 |
| mikki-kun | iluminator101: i am not sure, but i guess those forwarders cost money | 21:58 |
| SpeedEvil | kpoman: In short - anything active over 3G is expensive if it uses more than a packet or two every 5 minutes | 21:58 |
| iluminator101 | Mikki-kun depends how much they cost | 21:59 |
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| kpoman | SpeedEvil: yep right | 22:03 |
| kpoman | SpeedEvil: seems like, even with a great protocol telling all that is going on (mails, IM, etc...) every 30s, the best one could get is about 24 hours of battery life | 22:05 |
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| kpoman | interpreting the line with long pings on 2g each 30s | 22:05 |
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| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: 24 hours should be more than enough | 22:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | kpoman: you just put it on the charger for the night. | 22:05 |
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| kpoman | yep sure, but implying something managing all your IM/etc... server side | 22:05 |
| mikki-kun | i usually put my n900 every night on the charger | 22:06 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: that would be a security risk to some of us | 22:06 |
| kpoman | So I guess something really useful for nokia would be to have something useful serverside like blackberry et al | 22:06 |
| mikki-kun | i rahter have my own server doing that | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | kpoman: yeah - or on your server | 22:06 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: there are crypto stuff | 22:06 |
| kpoman | blackberry for example tells it crypts everything | 22:06 |
| kpoman | etc... | 22:07 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: still it has to be decrypted and everything encrypted can be decrypted and hacked ;) | 22:07 |
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| mikki-kun | kpoman: it tells, but does it really do in countries like india? ;) nopes, not there | 22:07 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: yes I know :) but relying on existing technology like ssl or whatever ... openvpn for example | 22:07 |
| mikki-kun | ssl can be hacked rather easily | 22:07 |
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| mikki-kun | at least i was told | 22:08 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: yes but it is quite useful and common | 22:08 |
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| kpoman | do you know if there is such a service ? like joining the whole IM/mail/social stuff server side ? | 22:08 |
| kpoman | and able to resume the whole thing every x seconds or whatever | 22:09 |
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| MrBawb | kpoman: I think there are some jabber-based services that do IM aggregation. I don't know if that would yield power savings, though | 22:10 |
| kpoman | MrBawb: ok thanks for the tip ... I will try to find some info on that ... | 22:11 |
| MrBawb | there's also bitlbee (irc based IM aggregation), but it doesn't match up well with an IM client | 22:11 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: tbh i wouldn't use such a feature, if not on my own server... | 22:11 |
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| kpoman | mikki-kun: I mean seems like blackberry makes extensive use of that and battery behaves well | 22:12 |
| mikki-kun | MrBawb: bitlbee is good, but needs an irc client | 22:12 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: try not using skype a battery charge and see how long it will be online ;) | 22:12 |
| MrBawb | skype seems to be a very chatty protocol | 22:12 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: ok, with battery eye it will be more noticeable | 22:13 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: don't trust battery eye too much | 22:13 |
| mikki-kun | just use your own feeling :) | 22:13 |
| mikki-kun | and was that 6h on 3g? | 22:14 |
| * alterego contemplates stereoscopic glasses connected to two N900s each running my gfx engine | 22:14 | |
| kpoman | ok | 22:15 |
| mikki-kun | alterego: you wrote an gfx-engine?? :o | 22:15 |
| kpoman | btw battery eye seems to bug when connected the device as mass storage | 22:15 |
| kpoman | to a charging pc | 22:15 |
| alterego | mikki-kun: writing :) | 22:15 |
| pahartik | mikki-kun: Makes me think of clever power-saving features in IRC proxy... Would delay messages by few rules to be sent in burst... Would also increase efficiency of compression in SSH port forwarding | 22:15 |
| kpoman | maybe those mount points | 22:15 |
| alterego | mikki-kun: based on Qt | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | pahartik: yes - that would help | 22:16 |
| kpoman | do you guys know if there is a way to cirvunvent having both mount point on the pc AND on the device ? | 22:16 |
| kpoman | I mean, when I connect as mass storage, it dismounts from the device, causing apps to die or whatever | 22:16 |
| kpoman | isnt there a -o bind options ? | 22:16 |
| kpoman | or something ? | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Can't work like that. | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | The problem is that teh mass storage mount mounts it as a block device. | 22:16 |
| kpoman | aham | 22:17 |
| mikki-kun | pahartik: what do you need ssh for in bitlbee? | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | So, the PC does not do 'delete foo.mpeg' | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | It writes to the FAT, and other control structures, to delete the file | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | This is basically impossible to allow on both sides at once. | 22:17 |
| kpoman | aha | 22:17 |
| kpoman | I understand... the only solution would be to mount as a windows share or whatever | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | The only way round it is to build a virtual filesystem, and present that to the PC as a 'real' one. | 22:18 |
| kpoman | passing via a client server thing | 22:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | This is complex. | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, or that | 22:18 |
| pahartik | mikki-kun: I do not use "bitlbee" but I route IRC, IMAP, HTTP and such through compressed IPv6 SSH port forwarding... | 22:19 |
| kpoman | or maybe to export to windows a kind of fake fs on a ramdisk or whatever that would copy to the local fs | 22:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | kpoman: yes, that works too, but then of course, you have the problem that you can't access it all. | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, interesting :p | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | kpoman: there isn't a nice soution that lets it work flawlessly with all use-cases unfortunately. | 22:20 |
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| kpoman | aha | 22:20 |
| mikki-kun | pahartik: hmmmm, if you have the upload/download you should do it :) | 22:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | pahartik: In principle - you can then do the above by setting up a queue on your server | 22:21 |
| bjv | I just drop everything onto the device via sftp | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | pahartik: It simply only sends packets every 30s | 22:21 |
| pahartik | mikki-kun: My Nokia N900 is mobile network IPv6 router 24/7 and Bluetooth PAN when needed by laptop workstation or other devices | 22:23 |
| pahartik | SpeedEvil: "bitlbee" has configurable delay for IRC? | 22:23 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi again | 22:27 |
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| MohammadAG | hi Venemo_N900 | 22:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi MohammadAG | 22:30 |
| pahartik | SpeedEvil: 30 seconds sounds good, but I thought of additional rules... Queue up to 2 messages per nickname per channel, run queue whenever client sends... | 22:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer tried to help me but it seems that the N900 will never be able to supply enough power to the hdd | 22:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: he also asked me to reprimand you for not optifying the booston script | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 22:31 |
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| MrBawb | pahartik: I setup a bluetooth pan script to auto-configure the interface when it came up. would you be interested in it? | 22:32 |
| pahartik | SpeedEvil: And since I use "proxy" module of Irssi, would be nice to get rules implemented in it... | 22:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: :P | 22:32 |
| pahartik | MrBawb: Sure I would like to see | 22:33 |
| MrBawb | pahartik: ok | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | booston is just some kbs | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | does it _have_ to be optified? :P | 22:33 |
| lcuk | yes | 22:34 |
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| MohammadAG | 4kbs | 22:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: I don't care :P talk about it with Doc | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | the notorious lcuk, always lurking around | 22:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | pahartik: did you get that last burst of 5 lines? | 22:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | (he is always lcuking around) | 22:35 |
| * lcuk became notorious when? | 22:35 | |
| * SpeedEvil imagines lcuk as a rapper. | 22:35 | |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, when did I become notorious? was it sometime during my Magnum marathon yesterday? | 22:36 |
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| MohammadAG | Yes | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | (what marathon? lol) | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | pahartik: (08:31:45 PM) SpeedEvil: yes - for IRC you want more than a dumb client It's pretty simple in principle to do. As you 'never' want to bother the n900 to have it respond to ping requests from the sever | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | : I was meaning - this may have a point if you insert it not in the IRC, but in the general compressed feed | 22:36 |
| pahartik | MrBawb: Current state is that I just have to "z ; q ; v ; x" after connecting workstation... Most important commands I store to one character aliases in Maemo device | 22:36 |
| lcuk | Magnum P.I. first series DVD | 22:36 |
| lcuk | the intro credit music isn't introduced until the 12th episode o_O (which is on now!) | 22:37 |
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| pahartik | SpeedEvil: Acknowledged | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, lcuk would rap about maemo I guess | 22:40 |
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| MrBawb | phellarv: http://dan.drown.org/pan/ | 22:43 |
| mikki-kun | hm... how can i get the "IP" of my n900 when it is only connected to 2g? | 22:43 |
| MrBawb | phellarv: it uses dbus-scripts to notice the pan interface goign up/down | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, same way you do when it's connected to wifi | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | and why does it matter, most operators won't let you do anything other than interwebz | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, got updates for gettext, I'm assuming they're safe? | 22:44 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: i was thinking about using said connection to send 2 commands in case it gets stolen (and using that connection to ping my server the ip it currently uses) one rendering nolo broken and the other to forcing it to shut down :) | 22:45 |
| timeless_xchat | i've roasted two computers | 22:45 |
| timeless_xchat | i'm not here except to ask for help | 22:45 |
| mikki-kun | timeless_xchat: wow, medium, or bloody? :) | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | yummy | 22:46 |
| pahartik | mikki-kun: "ip ad" | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, breaking NOLO in case it gets stolen eh | 22:46 |
| jacekowski | nolo can be fixed | 22:46 |
| jacekowski | i was thinking about encryption | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | true | 22:46 |
| jacekowski | and breaking encryption keys | 22:46 |
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| MohammadAG | but it's a bit extreme | 22:46 |
| timeless_xchat | mikki-kun: 99% of one computer's file system isn't available | 22:46 |
| timeless_xchat | including a network enabled terminal | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | at least 1%'s there | 22:47 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: who knows how to properly flash nolo? ;) | 22:47 |
| timeless_xchat | the other is a server and its web service is down | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | ~coldflash | 22:47 |
| infobot | coldflash is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | he does | 22:47 |
| mikki-kun | and who else besides him? :) | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's documented | 22:48 |
| mikki-kun | where is it properly documented? | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | so, everyone who can RTFM | 22:48 |
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| MohammadAG | see wiki page above | 22:48 |
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| Venemo_N900 | well said MohammadAG | 22:50 |
| mikki-kun | d'oh, sorry i didn't see the wiki-link :/ | 22:50 |
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| MohammadAG | :) | 22:50 |
| mikki-kun | it kinda went in one eye and went out the other without staying in my brain | 22:50 |
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| mikki-kun | but who knows nolo is broken? :) | 22:51 |
| mikki-kun | not many users out there even know what the n900 is capable of :) | 22:51 |
| mikki-kun | but encryption is another point i might add :) | 22:51 |
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| jacekowski | mikki-kun: i do | 22:51 |
| mikki-kun | has anybody se far experience with encryption on the n900? | 22:52 |
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| mikki-kun | curious how much it might slow the n900 down | 22:52 |
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| Venemo_N900 | depends on what you wanna encrypt and how | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51 ping | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:55 |
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| mikki-kun | Venemo_N900: full emmc and the microSD :) | 22:57 |
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| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: filesystem-wide encryption? | 22:58 |
| mikki-kun | hm, how much is that different from containers? | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | that's a CPU raper | 22:59 |
| mikki-kun | wow | 22:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: interesting idea, but it would definitely kill the usability of your device | 23:00 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: you tried encrypting the FS's? | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | no, theorically, it's a CPU raper | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | theoretically* | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | hum | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | need to a way to test for hostmode alive | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, if I hide() a MainWindow, what's the only way to restore it? | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | s/only/best | 23:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: show() | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | tray icons aren't supported I think | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, it's hidden | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | now window at all | 23:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: hide() = setVisibility(false) and show() = setVisibility(true) | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | no* | 23:04 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: what would you like to achieve? | 23:04 |
| pahartik | MrBawb: Are your scripts going to end up in "Maemo wiki"? | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, hiding h-e-n's mainwindow on X if hostmode is active | 23:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: to what end? | 23:05 |
| MrBawb | pahartik: I want to package them properly eventually | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, hiding it completely | 23:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: I thought the way to disable hostmode is to close h-e-n | 23:06 |
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| MohammadAG | some users want it to stay active | 23:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: well maybe you should consider making it a statusbar applet or a control panel applet | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | status bar is Gtk, I failed epically with DBus there | 23:06 |
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| MohammadAG | I mean, I got the applet and all | 23:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | you already have expertise with cp applets | 23:07 |
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| MohammadAG | those are Qt | 23:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm. | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | you can have Qt applets | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | but not Qt status bar items | 23:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | hmhmm | 23:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | gtk isn't that hard | 23:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | anyway, I can help when I get back my damn laptop | 23:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | I hope they'll really repair it | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | the applet is done | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | but DBus-Glib or whatever it's called is hard | 23:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | what if you call QtDBus? | 23:09 |
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| MohammadAG | from Gtk? | 23:09 |
| * MohammadAG shrugs | 23:09 | |
| MohammadAG | :P | 23:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | yes, why not | 23:09 |
| MrBawb | MohammadAG: what difficulty are you having with dbus-glib? | 23:10 |
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| Venemo_N900 | of course you'll need c++ files and your headers marked with extern c | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | MrBawb, can't figure it out :P | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | http://i55.tinypic.com/15s4oq8.jpg applet | 23:11 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I retried with fully charged battery | 23:12 |
| MrBawb | MohammadAG: I have some code that calls dbus through the glib interface, would that help? | 23:12 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: may i ask how you removed the blur? | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't, thp did :) | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | MrBawb, anything would help really | 23:13 |
| MrBawb | MohammadAG: http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/source/browse/libicd-network-3g-ipv6/libicd_network_3g_ipv6.c | 23:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: the hdd makes a much louder sound but still seems to be unable to spin up | 23:13 |
| MrBawb | MohammadAG: there is also: http://library.gnome.org/devel/dbus-glib/unstable/ | 23:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I don't get any error message from h-e-n though | 23:14 |
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| MohammadAG | MrBawb, thanks, I'l ll have a look at those when I update h-e-n, should be soon :) | 23:14 |
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| Venemo_N900 | ehh! | 23:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | not much is missing, but it still doesn't work... :( | 23:17 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: hm, is it in your hildon modification or does it work independantly? | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, thp made the patch, not me | 23:18 |
| mikki-kun | ahhhh, so it is a patch :) i thought a setting :) | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, what are you doing?\ | 23:19 |
| mikki-kun | *searching the forums for it* | 23:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: it was my second try with the usb hdd, this time with full battery | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | battery doesn't matter | 23:21 |
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| MohammadAG | what steps are you doing? | 23:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | it matters! | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 23:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | with low battery, the script tells me battery low | 23:21 |
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| MohammadAG | you can do hostmode on 1% battery life | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | what script o_O | 23:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | no I can't. | 23:21 |
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| MohammadAG | yes, you can | 23:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer's new booston script | 23:22 |
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| MohammadAG | use the one from -devel | 23:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | it told me to charge my battery | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | I'll have a look at DocScrutinizer's stuff and wrap it up nicely | 23:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | he sent me it himself and told me to replace the original one | 23:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | after replacing booston, the gui also uses his new script | 23:23 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: ohhh, wow you even built a desaturate-hildon out of thp's patch :) can i just install that and my already installed patches like vertical settings will just work or do i have to reapply them again? | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, configurator. | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, yes, I know, but use the old one, it's the one we all tested | 23:23 |
| wmarone | hm, HAM isn't woring anymore :/ | 23:23 |
| wmarone | working* | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, hum? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | for people to have a hildon with all patches included | 23:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: anyway. with low-charged battery the hdd led lit up and the hdd gave a very silent clicking sound | 23:24 |
| lcuk | configurator to allow people to turn things on/off | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900 | 23:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: now with fully charged battery, the hdd _almost_ spins up! | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | you're supposed to plug in external power first | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | then plug it into the N900 | 23:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | yes I know, but I have no way to power it externally | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I'm a gconf noob, except if it's in Qt :p | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | then it won't work | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | the N900 can't power up an HDD | 23:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | yes, but it almost works :P | 23:26 |
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| MohammadAG | and my DVD drive starts spinning then spits the disc out :p | 23:26 |
| mikki-kun | Venemo_N900: hm, would SSDs work via h-e-n? | 23:26 |
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| BCMM | mikki-kun: what exactly is a USB flash drive? | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | SSDs would work | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | they're like a big flash anyway | 23:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | thanks | 23:27 |
| BCMM | isn't a USB stick just a small, cheap SSD powered by the USB? | 23:27 |
| lcuk | only if the interface card used stays under the current draw | 23:27 |
| mikki-kun | BCMM: i know what a flash-drive is, but i didn't recall anymore how much more and HDD needs compared to an SSD :) | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | and an SSD is an expensive, SSD, powered by... SATA | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | HDDs spin, SSDs don't | 23:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: other question: why doesn't mouse clicks work? | 23:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | don't* | 23:28 |
| BCMM | USB HDDs typically have a mains adapto | 23:28 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: i can show you also spinning SSDs =p | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | they do | 23:28 |
| BCMM | (if they're just an enclosure for a standard desktop or laptop hard drive, that is - the ipod classic was a USB-powered hard drive) | 23:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | BCMM: my main problem is, I haven't got a means to connect the power trunk of the Y-cable to a power source | 23:29 |
| mikki-kun | maybe those 1.8" drives could be made to spin up | 23:29 |
| BCMM | and my ipod classic worked fine with H-E-N, | 23:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: the mouse movements are weirdly regnized, but clicks not at all. that's with my usb mouse | 23:30 |
| mece | grr argh! Why is my qml wrapper so much slower than qmlviewer? | 23:30 |
| mikki-kun | BCMM: :) thanks for the ino :) | 23:30 |
| mikki-kun | *info | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | mece, pure Qt ftw | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, hmm | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | I have bt-hid-scripts and mice work fine | 23:30 |
| mece | well it's the pure qt bit that makes it slow... | 23:31 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: mhm | 23:31 |
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| MohammadAG | mece, pure Qt on its own ftw | 23:31 |
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| MohammadAG | :P | 23:31 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: and the mouse moves very weirdly | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, that's normal, you need a patched driver | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | which bt-hid-scripts has afaik | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia tried hard to cripple the SW side of hostmode :P | 23:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | I installed it | 23:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | maybe a reboot is required? | 23:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: oh, and my hub also doesn't work okay | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | oh, you didn't reboot? | 23:35 |
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| Venemo_N900 | well, all the linux people say, rebooting is unnecessary | 23:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | meh | 23:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'll reboot. | 23:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | brb | 23:36 |
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| MohammadAG | We are maemo | 23:37 |
| * MohammadAG giggles | 23:37 | |
| kerio | I AM THE CONTENT | 23:37 |
| kerio | I AM THE MEDIUM | 23:37 |
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| BCMM | linux doesn't typically require rebooting. however, sometimes hardware does... | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | windows doesn't typically require rebooting. however, sometimes hardware does... | 23:39 |
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| Gyjf | windows *does* require reboots | 23:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: it works!!! | 23:41 |
| Gyjf | constantly | 23:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | Gyjf: linux too. | 23:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | Gyjf: those who say otherwise lie | 23:41 |
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| MohammadAG | kerio, loved that ad | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, :) | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | Gyjf: my laptop has over 100 days uptime | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | Gyjf: and has windows 7 running over it | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, though I recall most ads said open, not 47% open :P | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | on it* | 23:42 |
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| MohammadAG | though I have to say, being with this community was enjoyable | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | hopefully, MeeGo won't kill that | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | also, is it me that only thinks tmo > meego's forums design wise? | 23:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: why do you say "was"? are you leaving us: :( | 23:43 |
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| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: why even bother looking over there? i kind of think meego will be like android :/ | 23:43 |
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| MohammadAG | yes, I'm joining the Motorola Startac community | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | developing for one-lined monochrome devices ftw | 23:44 |
| wmarone | ha | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, iAndroid actually, a merge of both | 23:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: any extra info about hostmode+hubs? | 23:44 |
| trip0 | MohammadAG, is leaving the community? | 23:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | hey, meego is nice | 23:45 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: :(((( | 23:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | handset ux sux. | 23:45 |
| wmarone | handset ux is meant for handsets | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | I'm just kidding lol | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | it still sucks :p | 23:46 |
| wmarone | I like smoku's idea of porting hildon to meego | 23:46 |
| wmarone | seeing as how there's no actual reference tablet ux | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | we all do | 23:46 |
| mikki-kun | well, but meego will keep the noobs out of our territory :) | 23:46 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: I realized that I have here my roommate's externally powered HDD!! :D | 23:47 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | that would work | 23:47 |
| mikki-kun | Venemo_N900: get a non-powered one and try it with the n900 all alone | 23:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: works! | 23:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: read back. i already did. | 23:48 |
| mikki-kun | ohhhh, then why did you say "externally powered HDD"? | 23:48 |
| mikki-kun | that one confuses me now | 23:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: so. I have _my roommate's_ externally powered one, which I found 5 minutes ago | 23:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: and my own, which is not externally powered | 23:49 |
| mikki-kun | ahhhh, ok ^^ | 23:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: you get it? | 23:49 |
| mikki-kun | so you tried on two :) | 23:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | yep. | 23:49 |
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| Venemo_N900 | the non-externally powered one almost works, but can't spin up. :( | 23:50 |
| mikki-kun | you are trying a 2.5" i assume | 23:50 |
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| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: correct. | 23:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: the externally powered one is 3.5" in an enclosure which has an AC adapter | 23:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: is it possible that this bt mouse package messed up something with x input? | 23:53 |
| mikki-kun | hm, BCMM said he was able to power his ipod classic (1.8" hdd) | 23:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: oh, yeah. I lost my remapped kblayout | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, why? | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 23:54 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: well I said almost | 23:54 |
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| MohammadAG | seriously, trying an HDD is a lost cause | 23:54 |
| BCMM | i thought the n900 was able to power pretty much anything that conforms to USB specs? | 23:54 |
| * MohammadAG continues on h-e-n powered missile launcher | 23:54 | |
| Venemo_N900 | nah. tomorrow I'll get me an usb-to-vga too. | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | 5V @ 200mA | 23:55 |
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| BCMM | i mean, the ipod charges from a PC, so presumably draws the maximum permitted current | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | normal ports are 500mA I think | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | yes, but the N900 can't supply more than 200mA | 23:55 |
| mikki-kun | hm, aren't there even low-power 2.5" hdds which are extra slow only at like 4500 rpm? | 23:55 |
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| Venemo_N900 | correct | 23:55 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: you're porting a driver for one of those USB missile launchers? | 23:55 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: huh, so why didn't the ipod cause problems? | 23:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: this is not one of those | 23:55 |
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| MohammadAG | no, I'm making my own, nuclear missiles and all | 23:56 |
| BCMM | i think it was pretty much flat, but i plugged it in and read files from it just fine | 23:56 |
| mikki-kun | Venemo_N900: i am just saying :) those might work | 23:56 |
| * MohammadAG waits for government to read logs | 23:56 | |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: :) | 23:56 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: going for the record for connecting "peripherals" that are larger than the device? | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | nah, I already did that | 23:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: hm. the israelian government already knows that the palestinans are making missiles against them :P | 23:57 |
| mikki-kun | it's fun how much we can do with the n900 due to some seriously intelligent hackers ;) | 23:57 |
| BCMM | (they need to make a USB version of those FireWire-based fighter jets) | 23:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | mikki-kun: agreed :) | 23:57 |
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| mikki-kun | and it makes me laugh at those iphone users when i can show them the bling-bling mohammad&co give us :> | 23:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe : | 23:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | ) | 23:58 |
| mikki-kun | can android users even switch themes? Ö.ö | 23:58 |
| mikki-kun | from what i see the can only change their wallpaper | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 23:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | who knows? | 23:59 |
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| Venemo_N900 | android is disgusting | 23:59 |
| BCMM | presumably it is possible, if not easy, since there are hardware manufacturers who extensively mess about with the android UI | 23:59 |
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| BCMM | maybe they have source for more than users do, though | 23:59 |
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