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| MohammadAG | shouldn't | 00:05 |
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| trumee__ | MohammadAG, i agree :) | 00:06 |
| trumee__ | MohammadAG, your hildonized version probably doesnt. | 00:07 |
| Auriga | Anyone still using an N800? | 00:07 |
| lcuk | Auriga, I spent last weekend with my n810 if that counts | 00:07 |
| Auriga | It might... | 00:07 |
| Auriga | Are you familiar with Blueserial? | 00:08 |
| Auriga | Or anything of the equivalant that works? | 00:08 |
| lcuk | no, sorry - I guess your quest must go further | 00:08 |
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| Auriga | Lol | 00:08 |
| Auriga | & so I continue in circles lol | 00:09 |
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| BCMM_ | has anyone set up their n900 to automatically start sshd when on a wlan and stop it when on GPRS? | 00:13 |
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| lcuk | BCMM_, hm I tohught lots of ISPs negate any kind of ssh input over gprs anyway | 00:17 |
| lcuk | by virtue of not having a public ip | 00:17 |
| lcuk | but I know some isps do | 00:17 |
| BCMM_ | yeah, but mine is unpredictable | 00:17 |
| BCMM_ | i mean, it sometimes gives me a real ip and sometimes private | 00:18 |
| BCMM_ | yes, that's weird | 00:18 |
| lcuk | thats ok, why need to disable it if you dont mind? | 00:18 |
| BCMM_ | lcuk: mostly because it doesn't need to be running | 00:18 |
| BCMM_ | actually, what i'd really like to do would be have sshd running only when connected to a specific wlan | 00:18 |
| lcuk | for what reason specifically? power/cpu/security? | 00:19 |
| BCMM_ | all of the above | 00:19 |
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| BCMM_ | i know ssh is very secure, but mostly because it's better than carefully checking my ssh config | 00:20 |
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| pahartik | BCMM_: Maybe appropriate script at "/etc/network/if-post-down.d/" and "/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/"... | 00:25 |
| BCMM_ | thanks | 00:26 |
| BCMM_ | oh, and presumably when i am online, on gprs, on a real IP, something will eventually find my ssh server and drain the battery trying to bruteforce it | 00:26 |
| BCMM_ | hmm. do those sorts of bots usually give up if you don't allow password auth, or braindeadishly keep trying? | 00:27 |
| pahartik | BCMM_: My recent server logs... "resist-ssh-abuse" netfilter rule was triggered 27 times within 7 days... And it only covers single IPv4 address, no equivalent feature for IPv6 | 00:32 |
| BCMM_ | pahartik: do you allow keyboard auth, or just keys? | 00:32 |
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| pahartik | BCMM_: Server rejects password authentication attempts... Netfilter rule just uses "DROP" on any connection attempts from source IP for while after few tries | 00:35 |
| BCMM_ | bah, stupid botnets | 00:36 |
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| lardman | re | 00:39 |
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| pahartik | BCMM_: If remote host keeps trying even though there is no response, "DROP" lifetime is refreshed each time... | 00:40 |
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| pahartik | BCMM_: For me, mostly using IPv6, protecting that as well would be good, but netfilter does not yet offer similar rule feature | 00:42 |
| BCMM_ | pahartik: have you actually had people try to bruteforce your SSH over ipv6? | 00:43 |
| BCMM_ | i assumed that they found hosts by trying random addresses, which wouldn't really fly with v6 | 00:43 |
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| pahartik | BCMM_: Not yet seen any signs of such at "/var/log/auth.log" of any host, but still... Most of my hosts have AAAA record on DNS | 00:46 |
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| wazd | heya again | 01:00 |
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| wazd | I've just faced the "no connection with original headset" problem, still no solution for it? | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hostmode_while_charging PoC: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wazd: err, if you refer to what I think you do, then that's a hw-problem of the receptacle, IIRC | 01:23 |
| GAN900 | Can decide whether cellmo is dying or AT&T is being shit. | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | Keep losing all connection. | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how are calls? | 01:25 |
| javispedro | n900s are dying =) | 01:25 |
| javispedro | mine just went into that "battery suddenly decided its empty even though it isn't" mode again | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeew | 01:26 |
| lardman | planned obsolescence perhaps? ;) | 01:27 |
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| BCMM_ | lardman just discovered why BME is closed! | 01:27 |
| * BCMM_ ducks | 01:27 | |
| lardman | :) | 01:27 |
| BCMM_ | javispedro's device is suffering from a bug. it was supposed to explode. | 01:28 |
| * javispedro would prefer it to explode instead of having to reenter date&time, AGAIN. | 01:28 | |
| wazd | slow pluging in the jack sorta fixed the problem with sound | 01:29 |
| wazd | but not with handset detection in general | 01:29 |
| javispedro | wazd: dirty receptacle? | 01:29 |
| BCMM_ | of course, this is evidence that the N900's successor is going on sale tomorrow. BRB, gotta tell TMO. | 01:30 |
| * lardman curses the fact Samsung make you use drivers for mass storage | 01:30 | |
| wazd | javispedro: I highly doubt it | 01:30 |
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| lardman | and drivers that apparently don't really work at that | 01:30 |
| wazd | javispedro: I actually used wired headphones with my n900 like 7 or 8 times | 01:31 |
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| javispedro | :S | 01:31 |
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| wazd | oops | 01:31 |
| wazd | The problem occurred right after I pluged out my headset while calling | 01:32 |
| wazd | so it's definitely some sort of software issue | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ummm | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | the N900 likes to pick headphones on its own | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | now if only we had atime | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | the N8's phones, while 3.5mm and work fine with my laptop, don't work on the N900 | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait, ctime should still work | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | they do show in dmesg | 01:34 |
| javispedro | hum | 01:34 |
| javispedro | I'm at this moment researching how to trick pulse into thinking its time to switch audio routing to headphones | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | can you do that to the earpiece too? | 01:34 |
| javispedro | not using the usual alsa method (which works fine but means you have to guess volumes) | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | I like mono audio from the earpiece | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: so yo da man to tell which files to check for bogus state | 01:35 |
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| javispedro | afaik, there's no editable files. | 01:35 |
| javispedro | there's the "compiled" prolog rules that use hal events and the like to set a dbus message with "audio_actions" to pulse | 01:35 |
| javispedro | you can actually see this message, just enable eavesdropping on system bus and run dbus-monitor | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | then there's no way this gets sticky on wazd 's N900 | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ping me on 26/1 | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 01:37 |
| javispedro | http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-policy-enforcement/blobs/master/src/dbusif.c#line601 | 01:37 |
| javispedro | this is the code that is linked to pulse on n900 and does it | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sorry? | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | hostmode | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | h-e-n needs a shitload of updates | 01:41 |
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| Auriga | Howdy all... | 01:43 |
| Auriga | Can anyone help me with an hcitool: not found, error? | 01:43 |
| lardman | are you root? | 01:44 |
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| lardman | do you have /usr/sbin in your path? | 01:45 |
| Auriga | Yes | 01:45 |
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| Auriga | Uhhh... I'm still learning linux & Maemo too, let me look.... | 01:45 |
| Auriga | Yes I do... | 01:45 |
| Auriga | & yes I am root | 01:45 |
| lardman | just give the full path to that dir and see if it's there | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | which hcitool | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | type that | 01:45 |
| Auriga | ? | 01:46 |
| Auriga | It's a bluetooth app | 01:46 |
| Auriga | Is that what you mean? | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | "which hcitool" | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | it's a command | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# which hcitool | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/bin/hcitool | 01:46 |
| Auriga | It just gives me another line... | 01:46 |
| Auriga | It doesn't show me anything. | 01:47 |
| Auriga | Is there a switch for it? | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | well | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | it certainly can't be not installed | 01:47 |
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| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# grep -r /usr/bin/hcitool /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list | 01:47 |
| Auriga | Lol | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | /var/lib/dpkg/info/bluez.list:/usr/bin/hcitool | 01:47 |
| Auriga | Woah... slow down there... | 01:47 |
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| Auriga | What is that? | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | it shows which package it's part of | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | if you have bluez installed | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | it should be there | 01:48 |
| Auriga | What is bluez? | 01:48 |
| Auriga | Is that the wifi over bluetooth? | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | bluetooth stack | 01:48 |
| Auriga | Uhhh... for desktop support? | 01:49 |
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| Auriga | Sorry I'm noob... I hate d work but it applies... | 01:49 |
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| Auriga | ANythoughts... | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (h-e-n needs a shitload of updates) indeed | 01:50 |
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| MohammadAG | the stack allows you to use bluetooth | 01:51 |
| Auriga | Moi? | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | without it, bt wouldn't work | 01:51 |
| Auriga | Right okay... | 01:51 |
| javispedro | good time to reflash | 01:51 |
| Auriga | But my bluetooth does work in terms of transfering files. | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | it shouldn't work | 01:51 |
| Auriga | Well it does... | 01:51 |
| Auriga | So what now lol... | 01:52 |
| Auriga | ? | 01:52 |
| javispedro | Auriga: what are you asking this? | 01:52 |
| javispedro | *why | 01:52 |
| javispedro | ie what do you want to do? | 01:52 |
| nox- | are you even running maemo? | 01:52 |
| nox- | :) | 01:52 |
| Auriga | What's a Maemo? | 01:53 |
| Auriga | lol | 01:53 |
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| Auriga | Yes I am it's on an n800 though. | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 01:56 |
| Auriga | Javispedro, as to why, I would rather not say as it might attract attention & give the wrong idea, so you work it out... | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Auriga: you're aware there are slight diffs between maemo5-fremantle and whatever version of maemo3/4 you got on N800? | 01:57 |
| Auriga | Yes... | 01:57 |
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| Auriga | Where are you going with that? | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Auriga: so my advice is you clearly state the fact you're talking about N800 when asking here | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Auriga: as answers based on fremantle won't help - evidently | 01:58 |
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| javispedro | give the wrong idea is what probably what will happen now =) | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 01:59 |
| javispedro | either way, pre-fremantle the little bluez apps (hcitool,rfcomm) weren't ported to the new dbus api so you're going to have to use the raw dbus api | 02:00 |
| Auriga | I'm confused... Can you help or not? | 02:00 |
| javispedro | which is pain | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Auriga: check: | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~question | 02:00 |
| infobot | it has been said that question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 02:00 |
| Auriga | Okay... This is soundling like it would be hard work for you to help me... | 02:00 |
| Auriga | So Javispedro, thank you for your input it's appreciated. | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Auriga: It's not what I'm in here for | 02:01 |
| javispedro | yes -- my suggestion: avoid the step that requires hcitool in whatever long-term plan you had in mind | 02:01 |
| javispedro | otherwise, search talk.maemo.org for dbus bluez or similar keywords | 02:01 |
| Auriga | Javispedro, thank you for pointing me in some kind of direction. It's greatly appreciated. Thank you. | 02:02 |
| javispedro | I keep it that if you tell us the long term plan there's a great chance someone will simplify it for you | 02:02 |
| javispedro | very probably, there's no need for hcitool and you can use the GUI to connect | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: he's not even willing to tell the OS version he's using | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | time sink | 02:03 |
| * lardman curses windows as he's probably going to need to reboot | 02:04 | |
| lardman | arse! | 02:04 |
| Auriga | Docscritizer I'm not even bothering with you as you started to almost insult me when you obviously missed the part where I said which I was using, after I was asked... Which would be fine has I insulted you first... | 02:04 |
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| lardman | Auriga: what are you trying to do that requires hcitool? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Auriga: if you think I insulted you, then re-read your own statements that sound like we are obliged to help. We are NOT, and I gave reasonable advice to you as it's obvious you are new to IRC. No insult intended nor any detectable to me | 02:07 |
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| Auriga | Well all I can say is that you misinterpreted what was said, & while yes I am relatively new to irc in that I don't use it often, I do not feel anyone is obliged to help, as far as I am concerned, if someone has a question, they should ask, which I did. If you don't want to help, then fine it's okay. But don't start on people, as then you end up in aimless conversations like this that ironically accomplish nothing productive. | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Auriga: the point is all the other conversation also was completely pointless, as everybody assumed you're talking about maemo5 on N900, while you just dropped a sidenote for the fact you are actually on N800, probably on maemo4-diablo or something even older | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Auriga: we are willing to help, if you are willing to feed us with sufficient info so we *can* help | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asking "are you actually running maemo" is a pun, not meant to be the standard procedure to help you out of your problem | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and now that we know you are on a system where hcitool is not available, we actually reached a dead end with helping you, as we can't suggest alternatives due to the fact we don't know what you want to do with hcitool | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so again, I suggest you read that fine introduction found in | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~question | 02:24 |
| infobot | well, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it will help you to get the answers to your problems | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | n8 lardman|gone | 02:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Auriga: maybe http://www.gnurou.org/writing/smartquestionsfr is more the one you'd like | 02:26 |
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| javispedro | trying to send a ia{saa{sv}} via dbus glib is madness | 02:37 |
| javispedro | that is, in laymans terms, a "struct having a integer and a dictionary of strings mappings to arrays of arrays of structs having a string and a unknown type". | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! | 02:40 |
| * SpeedEvil runs. | 02:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | *shudder* | 02:40 |
| nox- | eww | 02:40 |
| * javispedro ditches glib and goes dbus low level api directly.. | 02:41 | |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nice charging post :p | 02:56 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if we could plug it into h-e-n gui | 02:57 | |
| javispedro | well, the pieces are out there for jrbme to begin existing as an independent daemon | 02:58 |
| javispedro | why is that not happening? :) | 02:58 |
| * SpeedEvil sponsors javispedro one shiny biscuit to make it happen. | 02:58 | |
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| javispedro | so it's just missing man-hours then I guess :P | 02:59 |
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| MohammadAG | pretty much | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: post? | 03:02 |
| MohammadAG | post on tmo | 03:03 |
| jacekowski | link | 03:03 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=921203&postcount=647 | 03:03 |
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| jacekowski | sleep time | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sure, that's what I had in mind (among other things) when I asked you if you had some time to improve h-e-n gui | 03:11 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, does the script exit on battery full? | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but that won't happen during hostmode I guess, as "battery full" here means "system drawing <xx mA" | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: this is a really just 10 min PoC. And even stripped down for publication. I mentioned the improved booston/boostoff/jrbme script I'm using here. It needs a bit more love and cleanup, but will replace the charging script as well, when finished | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | I see | 03:18 |
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| javispedro | oh no | 03:33 |
| * javispedro looks at clock | 03:33 | |
| javispedro | damn, I want that time stopper gizmo. | 03:33 |
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| javispedro | DBUS_TYPE_STRING_AS_STRING | 03:45 |
| javispedro | I really wish to share the pain of this with you =) | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: thanks :-P | 03:46 |
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| * MohammadAG introduces javispedro to the Qt-side | 03:49 | |
| javispedro | well, I'm trying to avoid the Glib bindings because I'd have to build a billion GHashTables | 03:50 |
| javispedro | then destroy them all. | 03:50 |
| javispedro | so I can send a single string to the nokia policy daemon =) | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like a brilliant concept | 03:55 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 26/1 is the day I finish my exams :p | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much :-) | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | I think I joined the channel around this time last year :) | 03:57 |
| javispedro | surely you regret that =) | 04:00 |
| MohammadAG | actually no, I was an uber noob back then :P | 04:01 |
| MohammadAG | MaemohammadAGrunning low on root space. how can i check which apps are installed to root | 04:01 |
| MohammadAG | see? noob | 04:02 |
| javispedro | aha! | 04:02 |
| javispedro | MaemohammadMediaPlayer | 04:02 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 04:02 |
| javispedro | finally found a good name :P | 04:03 |
| MohammadAG | at least I knew about scratchbox back then :P | 04:04 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG | jebba was around when I joined | 04:04 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: your initial question was met with silence. how ironic =) | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | hmm indeed, I remember I got the N900 on 28/12, but I was here from 27 (or before) | 04:06 |
| javispedro | or, how cute :) | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | hah | 04:07 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, actually, I was told to fuck off once | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | or something similar | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | I think it was timeless :p | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | 2010-03-20 (Saturday): | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG | * DocScrutinizer wondering if tmo thread of mohammadag got deleted02:45 | 04:12 |
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| MohammadAG | heh | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG | it's fun reading logs :p | 04:12 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: tell that to me | 04:14 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, it's fun reading logs | 04:14 |
| MohammadAG | happy? :p | 04:14 |
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| javispedro | yes. | 04:17 |
| MohammadAG | interesting | 04:17 |
| MohammadAG | qwerty12 left IRC 9 days before I joinde | 04:17 |
| MohammadAG | joined even | 04:17 |
| javispedro | oh. | 04:17 |
| * javispedro suddenly realizes something | 04:18 | |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: YOU are qwerty12! | 04:18 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, age similarity should've given it away | 04:19 |
| javispedro | you KNOW it's true, listen to your heart! | 04:19 |
| * MohammadAG listens | 04:19 | |
| MohammadAG | it says thump thump | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | is that a yes or a no? | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | ~mohammadag | 04:21 |
| infobot | i guess mohammadag is your father | 04:21 |
| javispedro | thump thump means "Not now damn it!" | 04:21 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, should I shout at it? | 04:22 |
| b-man_ | lol | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | ssh localhost@me kill -11 1 | 04:23 |
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| javispedro | clearly, those were the days | 04:41 |
| MohammadAG | ... that I missed | 04:44 |
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| Termana | good morning | 04:48 |
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| javispedro | hi Termana | 04:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 | 05:03 |
| javispedro | where the hell have all the fremantle -dbg packages gone? | 05:05 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> time for 12648430 | 05:05 |
| MohammadAG | -dbg packages went for that ^ | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | you just need a printf | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 05:05 |
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| * DocScrutinizer throws a "%0x" at MohammadAG | 05:06 | |
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| MohammadAG | what's the syntax again? :P | 05:07 |
| javispedro | harl, so I need to add the sdk repo to device | 05:07 |
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| javispedro | danger will robinson | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah wait. I recall I got another used defined command for that: | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | printf "x\n" 12648430 | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | dammit | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | bastard ate my % | 05:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Status: 0x10 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 WallCharger: 0 Battery Voltage: 4172 NAC: 2054 Battery level: 100 % | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Status: 0x10 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 WallCharger: 0 Battery Voltage: 4172 NAC: 2054 Battery level: 100 % | 05:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: now you can watch all episodes of DrHouse without swapping battery :-D | 05:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that script though... Rather hackerish interface | 05:16 |
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| MohammadAG | well | 05:16 |
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| MohammadAG | the GUI could me made to read new lines | 05:16 |
| MohammadAG | then update some labels | 05:16 |
| MohammadAG | using strip | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, we're definitely not interested in that kinda stuff | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want to know about battery status, you call "jrbme query battery" and read out /var/jrbme/charge, or you call "jrbme list battery" and parse the STDOUT | 05:18 |
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| Kilroo | I wonder if a class 10 microsd will be fast enough that I won't care about partitioning my internal memory for other operating systems. | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | take the cmd syntax with a grain of salt, that's one of the parts that definitely need some streamlining | 05:19 |
| Kilroo | Speaking of which, in case it's a useful link for anyone, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220547 | 05:21 |
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| javispedro | success! | 05:24 |
| javispedro | pulse now thinks I have headphones | 05:24 |
| MohammadAG | awesomesauce | 05:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you found that time anihilator machine? | 05:26 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, now do the earpiece! | 05:26 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: is there a difference from the mixer PoV? | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | good question :-P | 05:27 |
| MohammadAG | no, it just does some switch switches afaik | 05:27 |
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| javispedro | theoretically PA policy also controls input (meaning I should use this to switch between fmrx and microphone instead of alsa mixer hacks) | 05:27 |
| javispedro | (and headset microphone, if any) | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | how's e.g recall doing it? | 05:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | using just default? | 05:28 |
| javispedro | good question, let's download it | 05:28 |
| Kilroo | Speaking of headphones, is there a way to make the n900 play music through the external speakers when a bluetooth headset is paired with it? | 05:28 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/packages/view/recaller/ ? | 05:28 |
| Kilroo | I should google that, but I just thought of it. | 05:28 |
| javispedro | Kilroo: sure, I do not know of any "packaged" solution but for example using the method I'm researching you could | 05:29 |
| Kilroo | Oh, cool. | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yes prolly | 05:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | allegedly ringtones go to speakers no matter if headset is wired or BT | 05:31 |
| javispedro | and alarm sounds | 05:31 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that one app doesn't do any mixing, it just records from either hw0 (mic/headset mic), hw1 (bt), or pulseaudio feedback ("system") | 05:32 |
| psycho_oreos | ringtones and alarm sounds goes straight to my BT headset. alarm sounds goes to my FM transmitter as well if that's enabled | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I wish we had such awesome pages for N900: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem | 05:33 |
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| javispedro | at least I think I'm starting to understand the fmrx and speakers+headphones part | 05:34 |
| javispedro | (not going into the phone area) | 05:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I started trying to write notes for it, but my head exploded. | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, yeah | 05:36 |
| javispedro | the fully-analog fm bypass does work | 05:36 |
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| Kilroo | I was amused at myself last week when I finally found out that the little square thing that didn't seem to be there for a reason was an infrared transmitter... | 05:40 |
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| javispedro | what would "ifh" mean here | 05:42 |
| javispedro | "ihf" | 05:42 |
| MohammadAG | i had fun | 05:43 |
| javispedro | =) | 05:45 |
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| MohammadAG | what's the time in barcelona anyways | 05:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | 2:45? | 05:45 |
| javispedro | you don't want to know. | 05:46 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, | 05:46 |
| MohammadAG | Sun, 16 Jan 2011, 05:46:50 IST | 05:46 |
| MohammadAG | I do | 05:46 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 05:46 |
| javispedro | nope, CEST. | 05:47 |
| MohammadAG | .. | 05:47 |
| MohammadAG | I meant it can't be worse than my time | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what, you already got S in Barcelona? | 05:50 |
| javispedro | errr not. | 05:50 |
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| javispedro | either way, now that due to MohammadAG's fault Real Life has crashed into my hacking session it's time to call it a day. | 05:53 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, want some insurance? | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you did not get the timewharp machine running | 05:54 |
| MohammadAG | it's only $50 a minute | 05:54 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I didn't, sadly :( | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | looking forward to PA-fsckd-for | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | GOOD | 05:55 |
| javispedro | this one is actually about using PA =) | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, you can't use PA, you have to ABUSE it | 05:56 |
| javispedro | touché | 05:56 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders really really bad kernel hacking, to teach the bitch bme who's master | 05:58 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | write to /dev/kmem XP | 05:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so naaaaaaasty I start to like the idea | 06:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, probably I'll stay with my plan to talk some gifted C coder into creating a LD_PRELOAD'able fake_fopen.so, to divert all fopen() and sibling calls to some different pathname, with a little help of a set of regex-substitutions for the fopen() path parameter. Kind of a path-selective chroot, well kinda | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | or... duh... even code that shit myself | 06:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FILE *fopen(const char *path, const char *mode) {return( real_fopen( regex_subst( getenv( "FAKE_FOPEN_REGEX"), path), mode); }; | 06:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | might actually get a fairly short sourcecode :-) | 06:23 |
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| MrBawb | DocScrutinizer: LD_PRELOAD is easy: http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/source/browse/ldpreload/libnat64.c | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course I also could use gdb, and modify the interesting code snippets | 06:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Server Error | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | The server encountered an error and could not complete your request. | 06:29 |
| MrBawb | hm. google not giving you the source? | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet it's easy, once you know the magic --foobars for gcc | 06:30 |
| MrBawb | http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/source/browse/ldpreload/Makefile | 06:30 |
| MrBawb | those are the --foobars | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | same | 06:30 |
| MrBawb | heh | 06:30 |
| MrBawb | you have hg? | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | If I had, would I search for somebody to do this silly bit of cosing for me? :-) | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | coding even | 06:32 |
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| MrBawb | hm | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | code.google.com hates me | 06:34 |
| MrBawb | let me see what I can do | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably doesn't like konqueror :-P | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | rrrrrright :-P | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | FF works | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | code.google.com hates konqui | 06:36 |
| ieatlint | most of us hate konqueror... not sure we can really hold it against google | 06:36 |
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| MrBawb | DocScrutinizer: http://dan.drown.org/libfopen.tar.gz | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 06:44 |
| MrBawb | LD_PRELOAD=./libfopen.so cut -d" " -f1 Makefile | 06:44 |
| MrBawb | fopen64 with Makefile | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks mate :-D | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool, the rest is c&p :-) | 06:46 |
| ieatlint | so hey, you got the magstripe reader doc? | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 06:46 |
| ieatlint | :) | 06:46 |
| ieatlint | glad it works for you | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I need the link to your app to test it | 06:47 |
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| ieatlint | http://maemo.org/packages/view/magread/ | 06:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just used recorder to get funny scratching sound :-P | 06:47 |
| ieatlint | i'll be pushing a new version in the not too distant future that will had a handful of features | 06:47 |
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| ieatlint | but that's in extras-testing, and source is up there to verify i'm not doing anything nefarious with the recorded date (which isn't kept at all..) | 06:48 |
| ieatlint | alterego was smart enough to check before running his CC with my app, haha | 06:48 |
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| ieatlint | also, the software works when swiped either direction, but it works better when swiped right to left, as that's how the data is written | 06:51 |
| ieatlint | and the relative of "right" is based on the magstripe on the card being on top and facing you (as in the icon for the app) | 06:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: WTF?! | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# i2cget -y 2 0x6b 0x00 | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0x56 | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | after killing your chargescript - also LED steady amber (= recovery charge?) | 07:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: got that | 07:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 0x56 = in-progress || timer-fault || enable-stat-pin | 07:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | funny bit is bq24150 is actually providing charge, probably 100mA according to r01=0x30 - though Vbat=4170 | 07:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, screw that - it stopped providing charge | 07:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | Heh - *someone* lost a bet - I got my new screen, and my N900's now working again! http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2696-small.jpeg | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | it did however: | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Average Current: 3 mA | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | TTF: 4 minutes TTE: 65535 minutes | 07:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: ugh, what's that? | 07:22 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Uh... what? Just a picture of my desktop, with no cracks(unlike the last couple of pictures) | 07:24 |
| RobbieThe1st | see http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2669-small.jpeg | 07:25 |
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| RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: Perhaps I should explain. Back when I talked about my LCD getting cracked, a couple of people were betting I couldn't replace it. Others said I could. So... I had to show off my (simple) acomplishment, | 07:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | I think I may have said that it's not risk free. | 07:32 |
| SpeedEvil | But congrats. | 07:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: works great | 07:37 |
| ieatlint | :) | 07:37 |
| ieatlint | and now you have another random feature of your n900 that may not be usable, but is somewhat eye catching and fun to show off | 07:38 |
| ieatlint | usable/useful | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly | 07:38 |
| ieatlint | unless you want to skim people's credit cards | 07:38 |
| ieatlint | then it's awesome | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it's useful as I found out my china air miles&more card isn't readable | 07:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: usability fail though. | 07:39 |
| ieatlint | if you swipe a card, and it doesn't even say "bad swipe", then it means the track is blank | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, thumbs up | 07:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: you should hack the reader into the n900 so you can swipe it through the n900 between the keyboard and screen. | 07:40 |
| ieatlint | SpeedEvil: i'll get right on that :P | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: it says "bad swipe" | 07:40 |
| ieatlint | then there is something there | 07:40 |
| ieatlint | but it may not be a known encoding scheme | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nice :-D | 07:40 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, 0x56: enable stat pin, charge in progress, poor input source or vbus ? | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 07:41 |
| ShadowJK | oh maybe it's timer fault indeed | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | timer fault | 07:41 |
| ShadowJK | But that would be expected if you killed the script | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, what's not expected though is it keeping charging for at least some 60s | 07:42 |
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| ShadowJK | the watchdog timer is kinda inaccurate | 07:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe even that. The yellow LED baffled me | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | that might be related to hostmode being active :-) | 07:43 |
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| ShadowJK | Nah, yellow led is what would happen if: there's no software controlling bq2415 && vbus is high | 07:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I hope you won't mind me shamelessly stealing from that script, for jrbme | 07:44 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 07:44 |
| ShadowJK | I should probably upload current version somewhere | 07:44 |
| ShadowJK | which one are you using? | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, I guess the one you got on jk/charge/* | 07:44 |
| ShadowJK | oh | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh? | 07:45 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: for the card that is having issues reading, try checking he "show partial read" box and seeing if anything comes up | 07:46 |
| ieatlint | that box will show you data that matches some checksums but fails at the LRC | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 07:47 |
| ieatlint | (try swiping something like a credit card half-way, and you'll see half the cc number) | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I did, from very beginning :-D | 07:47 |
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| ieatlint | ok :) | 07:47 |
| ieatlint | am throwing together a tips page now to cover a bunch of random things | 07:48 |
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| ShadowJK | oh that script isn't terribly out of date afterall I guess | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: anyway kinda strange it takes two starts | 07:53 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: http://blog.tehinterweb.com/?p=147 has a long and poorly formatted list of "tips" for using the application | 07:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 08:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Status: 0x10 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 WallCharger: 0 Battery Voltage: 4161 NAC: 1970 Battery level: 96 % | 08:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Status: 0x10 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 WallCharger: 0 Battery Voltage: 4153 NAC: 2054 Battery level: 100 % | 08:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | still in hostmode, screen on. Since err, 10h? | 08:24 |
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| chx | DocScrutinizer: nice job | 08:35 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, I'm not sure if my system load estimation is accurate on my new N900 :) | 08:46 |
| jpinx | ShadowJK: run at a youtube video and watch the meter ;) | 08:48 |
| ShadowJK | No I'm waiting for charge to terminate, then the charger's current goes away and hopefully the battery drain rate matches the estimated rate from before | 08:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, conky is kinda meh | 09:05 |
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| ying | hi all | 09:14 |
| ying | somebody there for a short question? | 09:14 |
| ying | need some help ;) | 09:14 |
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| ShadowJK | the answer is 42 | 09:17 |
| ying | ? | 09:18 |
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| ying | is it possible to increase the volume in a telephone call | 09:20 |
| ying | ? | 09:20 |
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| SwedeMike | ying: yes. | 09:23 |
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| SwedeMike | ying: you just change the volume with the volume buttons. | 09:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | or yell. | 09:25 |
| ShadowJK | Do note that when you are talking on the phone, you press the volume button upwards | 09:25 |
| ying | k thx i will try it out | 09:26 |
| ying | just give me a second | 09:26 |
| ying | ;) | 09:26 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders the eternal question. | 09:27 | |
| ShadowJK | (so it's "reversed" from what they do in landscape mode, where left = less volume/less zoom and right 0 more volume/more zoom) | 09:27 |
| SpeedEvil | One-off-glitch, or impending doom. | 09:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Screen kept freezing, with lots of SGX recovery till I rebooted. | 09:27 |
| SwedeMike | oh btw, I'm running PR1.3 with the power kernel, are there new fixes for the "screen glitch when getting a call"? where can I find these "community fixes", are they collected on a single page somewhere? | 09:29 |
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| ying | so thx a lot see you | 09:29 |
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| ying | hi again | 09:59 |
| ying | one more question | 09:59 |
| ying | how can i deaktivate the menu button so maemo doesn't react on it while it is locked | 09:59 |
| ying | ? | 10:00 |
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| ShadowJK | the menu button? | 10:00 |
| ying | the on off button | 10:00 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 10:00 |
| ShadowJK | no idea, mine shows the unlock slider and I use it to check the time :) | 10:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think you can. | 10:01 |
| SpeedEvil | At least - pressing and holding it will always reset the device at a pretty low level. | 10:01 |
| ying | hmm because i have a pocket for my n900 | 10:01 |
| ying | everytime if i put it in | 10:01 |
| ying | it touches that button | 10:01 |
| ying | and the display goes on | 10:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 10:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd return the case for being broken. | 10:02 |
| ying | hmm to bad it's to old to return it | 10:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | can you physically modify the case to put less pressure on that area? | 10:03 |
| ying | no | 10:03 |
| ying | http://www.amazon.de/BUGATTI-Luxus-Tasche-Neopren-Nokia/dp/B002P8TAKG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1295164989&sr=8-3 | 10:03 |
| ying | hmm to bad | 10:04 |
| ying | i have to live with it | 10:05 |
| ying | k see you | 10:05 |
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| ying | bye | 10:05 |
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| kerio | or... don't use a cover? | 10:05 |
| kerio | i mean, pretty much any pair of pants has some pockets | 10:05 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good morning | 10:19 |
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| Pillum | good morning | 10:26 |
| Pillum | MohammadAG: when is the estimated release of your opensource media player clone? | 10:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | Pillum: end of january afaik | 10:29 |
| Pillum | oh | 10:30 |
| Pillum | okay thans | 10:30 |
| Pillum | k* | 10:31 |
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| kpoman | hello ! | 11:33 |
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| kpoman | can someone help me on the last step of setting up the sdk on my ubuntu box ? i get errors when launching the UI | 11:33 |
| kpoman | posted here: http://pastebin.com/6VFaneLT | 11:34 |
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| rcg1 | MohammadAG: ping | 11:42 |
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| rcg1 | MohammadAG: I created a small patch for your mediabar which enables to freely set the placement: http://pastebin.com/Z3zXXZB9 | 11:43 |
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| kpoman | anyone ? | 11:49 |
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| lardman | morning chaps | 11:50 |
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| korhojoa_ | hey guys. | 12:05 |
| RST38h | lardman: another defector! =) | 12:05 |
| korhojoa_ | so, i flashed my phone, because restoring a backup failed somehow, and it didn't boot anymore | 12:05 |
| korhojoa_ | now when it boots, it keeps crashing? wtf? | 12:06 |
| lardman | RST38h: well my N900 is broken so I need something to mess about with | 12:06 |
| lardman | and I'm going to try some Meego porting anyway | 12:06 |
| Psi | so i want to get rid of my current easydebian image and get a fresh one. which package do i remove and reinstall "easy debian" or "easy-chroot" ? | 12:07 |
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| kpoman | someone in ? | 12:11 |
| kpoman | :s | 12:11 |
| lardman | yes | 12:12 |
| lardman | Psi: probably easy-debian | 12:12 |
| kpoman | hi lardman, can you help me a bit setting up the sb ? | 12:12 |
| lardman | urgh | 12:12 |
| lardman | I can try | 12:12 |
| Psi | lardman: yeah, i decided to remove both, reboot and delete the image. That way i know im getting everything new when i reinstall | 12:13 |
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| kpoman | ok, right now I have lot of not found cmd http://pastebin.com/NygegTpY | 12:13 |
| lardman | have you installed the rootfs? | 12:14 |
| kpoman | lardman: i followed all without any problem from here: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners | 12:15 |
| kpoman | until the part where it launches Xephyr | 12:15 |
| kpoman | then af-sb-init.sh start fails | 12:16 |
| lardman | yeah, it apparently can't find any binaries | 12:16 |
| kpoman | first it complained about missing qemu binaries | 12:16 |
| kpoman | lardman however they are there ! I can run them by hand | 12:16 |
| lardman | in sb that is? | 12:17 |
| kpoman | yep | 12:17 |
| kpoman | I did /scratchbox/login | 12:17 |
| kpoman | I then activate target ARMEL which I downloaded already | 12:18 |
| lardman | yep | 12:18 |
| lardman | and once you've done that you can "cd" and do other basic tasks? | 12:18 |
| kpoman | yep they all work | 12:18 |
| lardman | actually whoami would be one to check | 12:18 |
| kpoman | both run, with and without path | 12:19 |
| lardman | ok, well I'd have a look at the af-sb-init.sh script | 12:19 |
| lardman | I don't run the ui ever in sb, so I can't really help with specifics | 12:19 |
| kpoman | the strange thing is there is no such line, line 1 for example | 12:19 |
| kpoman | there are comments there | 12:19 |
| lardman | I did think that the UI doesn't run in armel though | 12:20 |
| kpoman | So I should download for x86 ? | 12:20 |
| kpoman | let me try to download the stuff | 12:20 |
| lardman | well the example page you're going from tells you to switch to x86 mode if you want to start the UI | 12:20 |
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| kpoman | lardman: this is to be able to test ? how should I make a binary for armel if I cannot test it on an emulator ? | 12:22 |
| kpoman | I am downloading x86 right now let me see if this works | 12:23 |
| lardman | you make it for x86, test in the emu, make for armel, move to device | 12:23 |
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| kpoman | lardman: ok, let me see :) | 12:24 |
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| kpoman | lardman: nice, it worked ! | 12:28 |
| kpoman | :) | 12:28 |
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| kpoman | lardman: do you know how do I make it install all the software bundled on the phone ? | 12:29 |
| kpoman | I mean it is completely empty right now | 12:29 |
| lardman | you can't install that software | 12:29 |
| korhojoa_ | guys, any ideas on how to restore old messages from a rsync backup i made? | 12:31 |
| kpoman | why ? isnt there an x86 version of all of those ? | 12:31 |
| korhojoa_ | I sent in my phone for repairs, but seeing as it came back a entirely different hw revision, the emmc did not contain my device backups anymore | 12:31 |
| kpoman | lardman: and also is there a way to allow it to access the internet ? | 12:32 |
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| ShadowJK | heh | 12:37 |
| ShadowJK | I rsyncd contents back to n900, then used the backup utility for restore | 12:37 |
| lardman | kpoman: yeah, it should work by default afair, but you can fiddle with resolv.conf iirc | 12:38 |
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| korhojoa_ | ShadowJK: yeah, well. hm. | 12:43 |
| korhojoa_ | i tried restarting after i rsynced stuff back | 12:43 |
| korhojoa_ | turns out, it doesn't boot | 12:44 |
| korhojoa_ | i might try doing the backup and copying stuff over now after i've done the rsync, without a restart, hope for the best and all that. | 12:44 |
| korhojoa_ | maybe reflashing the kernel might help? i'll try that too, after getting the backup file. | 12:44 |
| Arkenoi | I wish could run n900 IM client over X11 on my desktop to keep history and accounts in one place. I guess it is not possible atm? | 12:44 |
| ShadowJK | I only rsynced /home/user | 12:44 |
| korhojoa_ | ah. did that save your messages? | 12:45 |
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| ShadowJK | With the rsync of /home, the backups by backup utility also came back | 12:48 |
| ShadowJK | I did restore from backup utility after rsync | 12:48 |
| ShadowJK | after the reboot messages were back | 12:48 |
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| ShadowJK | I think the backup utility is more reliable, because it tells conversations and such to save and exit, before backup restores their database files | 12:49 |
| korhojoa_ | ShadowJK: ah, well. /home includes MyDocs for you? | 12:50 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 12:50 |
| korhojoa_ | ShadowJK: agreed, I know. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of those backups. | 12:50 |
| ShadowJK | :( | 12:50 |
| korhojoa_ | So I guess it's rsync time again, and now without a reboot to make a backup and then restore it. in hopes of not making everything blow up. | 12:51 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Wait. | 12:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | Do just a reflash of the rootfs, then see if the backups still exist | 12:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | they probably will | 12:52 |
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| korhojoa_ | Does anyone know why there's a Mac OS directory on the vanilla emmc? | 12:52 |
| korhojoa_ | RobbieThe1st: huh? There aren't any backups, this is a replacement phone. The different HW version even states that. | 12:52 |
| psycho_oreos | its for n900 owners who wants to connect their device to Mac machines | 12:52 |
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| korhojoa_ | Mac OS creates that when you connect it, but why does it exist on there, when nokia doesn't even have a management application for macs? | 12:53 |
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| RobbieThe1st | korhojoa_: But you resync'd it, didn't you? | 12:53 |
| RobbieThe1st | *rsync'd | 12:53 |
| RobbieThe1st | So, the backup files would have been copied to the phone, but more than likely you screwed some boot file on the Optfs up in the process. | 12:54 |
| psycho_oreos | its probably a place holder in case mac os is about to create it | 12:54 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't see the point of fussing over a directory sitting there | 12:54 |
| korhojoa_ | RobbieThe1st: rsync'd what? | 12:54 |
| korhojoa_ | There are no backup files, since there's no MyDocs in my backup. | 12:55 |
| RobbieThe1st | Oh, wait. | 12:55 |
| RobbieThe1st | I confused you and ShadowJK | 12:55 |
| korhojoa_ | RSYNC TIME! *sigh* | 12:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | Btw, I suggest BackupMenu for all future backup stuff. But I'm biased. | 12:56 |
| korhojoa_ | argh. first need to install ssh and rsync... :p | 12:57 |
| korhojoa_ | yes, I'd have used that too, if i'd have a good version of it usable when my phone broke | 12:57 |
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| korhojoa_ | unfortunately, it was a while ago, and backupmenu really wasn't ready for usage | 12:57 |
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| ShadowJK | What happened to your phone btw? | 12:57 |
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| korhojoa_ | microusb of course. what else can happen to them? :D | 12:58 |
| RobbieThe1st | If you had any backup files, we can probably get something out of them if needed... | 12:58 |
| ShadowJK | my old one has broken cellular :) | 12:58 |
| korhojoa_ | wow, how did that happen? | 12:58 |
| korhojoa_ | RobbieThe1st: i've got / with the exception of useless things like /dev and /proc and whatever. also, /home/user/MyDocs | 12:59 |
| ShadowJK | korhojoa_, how long did it take to get a replacement? I assume you sent it in through a nokia care authorized service point or through the people you nought it from? | 12:59 |
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| korhojoa_ | authorized care center | 12:59 |
| korhojoa_ | three weeks or so | 12:59 |
| RobbieThe1st | Good, good. | 12:59 |
| ShadowJK | I sent mine trhough care center, took 2 weeks and came back still broken without explanation :( | 12:59 |
| korhojoa_ | what? that's pretty nasty | 13:00 |
| RobbieThe1st | I broke the screen on mine. Took 16 days for shipping a replacement from Hong Kong. | 13:00 |
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| korhojoa_ | I got mine back with a note saying "replacement phone". That's all. I didn't pick it up though, dad did, he sent in his E75 also | 13:00 |
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| korhojoa_ | haha. that's pretty nice. | 13:00 |
| korhojoa_ | seeing as I live in finland, and it took longer for me. | 13:00 |
| ShadowJK | korhojoa_, it works if I hold it still. If they just put it into jig and ran diagnostics they wouldn't have noticed the brokenness | 13:01 |
| ShadowJK | it only breaks if I move it, or if I'm pressing too hard on the keys | 13:01 |
| korhojoa_ | did you send it back and tell them to fix the damn thing? i would have | 13:01 |
| korhojoa_ | cell desoldered itself, strange. did you get it too hot or something? | 13:01 |
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| korhojoa_ | well. there it goes. | 13:03 |
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| korhojoa_ | I find it strange that people don't use the -P and -z options when using rsy | 13:04 |
| korhojoa_ | +nc | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK | there was that one time when I was running Navigation, screen on continously, and 3g streaming internet radio with fm transmitter for 2 hours with charger | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK | it was uncomfortably hot after that | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK | -avP -z -e 'ssh -c arcfour' | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 13:04 |
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| korhojoa_ | why not -avPze 'ssh -c arcfour' | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | *shrug* :) | 13:06 |
| korhojoa_ | ? :D | 13:06 |
| korhojoa_ | I run navigation constantly, with 3g streaming internet radio and the fmtx for ~4 hours when i drive to my parents | 13:06 |
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| korhojoa_ | i do that maybe once or twice a month | 13:07 |
| korhojoa_ | of course, screen on. can't do it with the car charger though, the battery goes flat. the wall charger manages to keep it from discharging, but doesn't charge it either | 13:07 |
| korhojoa_ | so i have to keep a inverter in the car, which is a bit dumb, but eh. could one make a charger with enough juice to let the phone do all this stuff without having it die from lack of power? or will the charging circuits not be able to take more than 1.2A | 13:08 |
| ShadowJK | I used the DC-10, it's 1200mA and battery was 66% when I arrived, left with full battery :) | 13:08 |
| korhojoa_ | wow, hm. strange. is that their highest-power charger? | 13:09 |
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| korhojoa_ | I'm currently seeing something like this being transferred, is there a way to find the directory for the messages in conversations too?home/user/.modest/cache/mail/imap/korhojoa__imap.gmail.com_993/folders/INBOX/4445.~ 1638400 23% 127.14kB/s 0:00:41 | 13:11 |
| ShadowJK | I think conversations is one big database | 13:12 |
| korhojoa_ | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/chargers/nokia-charging-plate-dt-600 ooh. this seems fun. (i got stuck on looking up chargers for the phone) | 13:12 |
| korhojoa_ | yeah, that's what i thought too. I just don't know where the files are. I hope that they're not on the emmc, because then they're gone :< | 13:13 |
| ShadowJK | it's just a table with lots of outputs | 13:13 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 13:13 |
| korhojoa_ | yup, i realize. | 13:14 |
| ShadowJK | when I first saw it I thought it's be wireless charging :( | 13:14 |
| ShadowJK | but it's cool that nokia is also coming out with external battery chargers | 13:15 |
| korhojoa_ | same here :< i wish they would start putting it in their phones. would really put them ahead | 13:15 |
| ShadowJK | instead of the explode-my-battery chinese ones | 13:15 |
| korhojoa_ | hahaha. there's a nokia bicycle charger kit | 13:15 |
| ShadowJK | but they'll probably add a 0 to the price as usual, so people will be using dubious crap, and inverter+wallcharger instead of a real carcharger :) | 13:16 |
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| MohammadAG | i'm sure the rate of discharge will be a lot bigger than that of charging | 13:16 |
| ShadowJK | because their DC-10 IS pretty expensive compared to getting an inverter | 13:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | hey guys | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | yo | 13:16 |
| kpoman | lardman: i do see openssh however I dont know which ip has the virtual os | 13:16 |
| korhojoa_ | the bicycle in the picture for the bicycle charger is a finnish military one :D | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 13:17 |
| korhojoa_ | MohammadAG: always? the charging circuits can't handle enough current? | 13:17 |
| lardman | kpoman: does it matter, surely all you need is for apt-get to work? | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | no, your legs can't handle enough cycling to power an N900 | 13:18 |
| korhojoa_ | hilarious. http://europe.nokia.com/MEDIA_BANK_100/R6Accessories/Misc/Nokia_Bicycle_Charger_Kit/Overview/Nokia_Bicycle_Charger_Kit_overview3_604x604.png | 13:18 |
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| kpoman | lardman: internet access is not working on the virtual. I want to configure its network, however I dont have the xterm package on the app list | 13:18 |
| kpoman | lardman: so how do I check what is going on on the network of the virt | 13:19 |
| lardman | /scratchbox/login gives you a term.... | 13:19 |
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| jonaskoelker | Hi all. Whenever I edit my hildon desktop menu, it reverts to the default menu but without the "other..." item in the bottom right corner. What gives? Editing also removes <Include><All/></Include> from my ~/.config/menus/hildon.menu ... | 13:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | guys, is there anyone who managed to get any of the 3 MSN plugins working? | 13:20 |
| jonaskoelker | I'v had mymenu and catorise installed, but not at the same time (IIRC) | 13:20 |
| kpoman | lardman: ifconfig on that sb prompt shows my host ip, not the gues | 13:20 |
| kpoman | t | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, pecan works fine | 13:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: has my favourite bug been fixed in it? | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | no :P | 13:21 |
| korhojoa_ | MohammadAG: oh, that's why you have a electric bike. | 13:21 |
| lardman | kpoman: well it uses the same connection I imagine | 13:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: so it is still totally unusable :( | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | a tredmill can probably charge the N900 | 13:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: does the bug occour to you too? | 13:22 |
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| MohammadAG | nope, pecan works fine | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | haze otoh... | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: otoh? | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | ~wtf otoh | 13:23 |
| infobot | OTOH: on the other hand | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | thx | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | brb :P | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | I used Butterfly, but that ceased to work some time ago | 13:24 |
| jonaskoelker | I have converted MyDocs to ext3; how can I automount it on startup? | 13:24 |
| ShadowJK | N900 usually only takes 950mA charging current | 13:25 |
| valdyn | jonaskoelker: fix /etc/fstab ? | 13:25 |
| ShadowJK | the charging circuit can be programmed for 1250mA, but stuff starts getting kinda hot at that | 13:26 |
| korhojoa_ | well they're pretty hot at 950mA anyway | 13:27 |
| jonaskoelker | valdyn: it's autogenerated by a script. I've fixed the script to spew the right fstab line (I think), but MyDocs doesn't mount on boot :( | 13:28 |
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| ShadowJK | on my old N900 (haven't checked my new yet), there's about 1.3W of dissipation :) | 13:28 |
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| valdyn | jonaskoelker: im not that familiar with the n900 boot process. It's possible that ext3 is not compiled in and modules not accessible at the point where fstab is read | 13:29 |
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| jonaskoelker | valdyn: I'm thinking I could insert a mount command late in the process. But where would it go? | 13:30 |
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| valdyn | jonaskoelker: http://sumoudou.org/%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9ARepartition%20the%20Nokia%20N900.html | 13:30 |
| korhojoa_ | hmm. i made a backup of emmc somewhere on my sister's computer... it should be there... | 13:31 |
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| jonaskoelker | does anyone know if partition type vs. file system mismatches matters? | 13:39 |
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| Venemo_N900 | oh, noo | 13:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | pecan is still a crappy piece of bullsh*t | 13:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | :( | 13:40 |
| jonaskoelker | sorry to hear that :( | 13:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | every time I log in with it, it shows an "authorisation request" from all the people who I deleted from msn ages ago | 13:41 |
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| ShadowJK | jonaskoelker, depends | 13:43 |
| ThreeM | is the N900 able to play HD Movies?! | 13:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | I reported this bug about half a year ago to the author, and others also whined about it on TMO... the author doesn't care. | 13:44 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: does pecan show the availability of your contacts in the contacts app? | 13:51 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: haha! contacts app crashes when I delete a contact from pecan | 13:55 |
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| jonaskoelker | MohammadAG: judging from the maemo forum, you seem to know your way around the hildon menu (among other things). Do you have any idea why, when I edit my menu, my "<Include>" section of ~/.config/menus/hildon.menu gets removed? | 14:05 |
| jonaskoelker | do I need it there? If not there, where? Why do I keep getting reverted to the default menu except without the "Other ..." button? | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | Use appmefo, it's better than editing it manually :p | 14:07 |
| jonaskoelker | MohammadAG: what about hildon-desktop 's menu editor? | 14:08 |
| jonaskoelker | MohammadAG: in any case, I think my problems are related to uninstalling mymenu | 14:08 |
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| rcg1 | MohammadAG: i created a small patch for your mediabar which enables to freely set the placement: http://pastebin.com/Z3zXXZB9 | 14:11 |
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| MohammadAG | rcg1, cool! | 14:15 |
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| MohammadAG | rcg1, got a gitorious account that you can send an MR to? | 14:15 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: hey there :) uhhh, just wanted to ask you if "hildon-desktop_matan_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb" is incompatible with your "hildon-status-menu_0.3.39+0m5_armel.deb"... at least if rotating from landscape to portrait it works, but i cannot call it while being portrait | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | thp, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68294 :P | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, does it show a black border, or does it not show at all? | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | and umm | 14:16 |
| mikki-kun | it doesn't show at all when i try to call it | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | the hildon-desktop for that patch is based on matan's | 14:17 |
| mikki-kun | so it should work? | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | wget http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/portrait/hildon-status-menu/hildon-desktop_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg -i hildon-desktop_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | with that deb, yes | 14:17 |
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| rcg1 | MohammadAG: not yet. i am going to create one. but i am not at all familiar with git yet. so probably i won't get the MR right on the first shot... | 14:18 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: lol ^^ " | 14:18 |
| mikki-kun | gconftool-2: I've been haxored to use xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults as the config source. | 14:18 |
| jonaskoelker | Yay, my hildon menu works like I want it to :) | 14:19 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: for the win :) | 14:19 |
| thp | MohammadAG: so you are going to add the two additional options for inclusion into the community ssu? =) | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | rcg1, then I'll merge it in a bit :) | 14:21 |
| thp | MohammadAG: btw, did you disable blurring in hildon-desktop or why do your screenshots look so shopped? | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, that's the default postinst from hildon-desktop :p | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | thp, it's a waste of resources :p | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | (blurring) | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | I still want it swapped for darkening (a la MeeGo or Symbian^3) | 14:21 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: a 50% opaque black layer (non-blurring) would be nice, though | 14:22 |
| thp | yes, i think that's about the same thing | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | darkening is simpler because it does not require adjacenet pixel knowledge, but the blurring already occurs at half resolution direct on the pvr afaik? | 14:23 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Out of curiosity, guys: A while back, I was messing around in the hildon transitions ini file. I'm not sure what all I changed, but -something- caused my applications-menu application icons to have a red background/overlay on top of the actual background. Any idea what I might have changed? | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG | saturation? | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG | thp, still, makes everything go a bit slow :p | 14:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | RobbieThe1st: that is some bug I encountered too | 14:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: no, saturation is something else | 14:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2698-small.jpeg | 14:26 |
| RobbieThe1st | Venemo_N900: Huh, interesting | 14:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | RobbieThe1st: I think I edited something, rebooted, and it got fixed then | 14:27 |
| thp | MohammadAG: anyway, are you working on that tv out applet or was that just a PoC? :) | 14:27 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, it does what the original one does atm, so it's more of a code dump :p | 14:28 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a string in gconf, /system/tvout | 14:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | Interesting. Anyway, I'm off. Cya all. | 14:28 |
| MohammadAG | thp, I replaced the screenshot :) | 14:29 |
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| Gyjf | is it only me or can the n900 max transfer files over network in 900kb/s | 14:31 |
| lcuk | thats 900kb more per second than a postit note | 14:31 |
| Gyjf | or up to 1mb/s some times | 14:31 |
| Gyjf | yes | 14:32 |
| thp | MohammadAG: oh hello familiar blur effect :p | 14:32 |
| lcuk | you can do a lot with so much bandwidth :) | 14:32 |
| Gyjf | i guess | 14:32 |
| Gyjf | its just that large files take time :P | 14:32 |
| lcuk | usb | 14:32 |
| Gyjf | but wireless is so convenient :D | 14:33 |
| Gyjf | drop files in a webserver, go download (or wget) | 14:33 |
| lcuk | for reasonable files wifi is great | 14:33 |
| lcuk | for meego images its a bit more of a pita | 14:34 |
| Gyjf | im transfering music atm | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | thp, rewriting parts as FOSS apps seems to be a trend lately :P | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | thp, maybe we should have a maemo-foss repository on gitorious? | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | guess I need to subclass the picker to control height | 14:39 |
| * MohammadAG sighs, starts doing that ^ | 14:39 | |
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| rcg1 | MohammadAG: i think i found some good tutorial on how to do merge requests. let's see if i get this done ;) | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | rcg1, once you confirm the tutorial works, make sure you post a link :) | 14:43 |
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| rcg1 | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Git/Pushing <- that's the tutorial i followed | 14:58 |
| rcg1 | though, they missed one thing, which may be essential for a total git beginner like me: prior to puhing one should do a "git commit -a" | 14:59 |
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| roota | goog Flying | 14:59 |
| rcg1 | lcuk: ^ | 14:59 |
| lcuk | rcg1, yeah, but thats normal git usage and explained by 101 standard git tutorials :) | 15:00 |
| roota | good flying | 15:00 |
| rcg1 | lcuk: ic :) | 15:01 |
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| lcuk | rcg1, on my wall I have "git commit -a -m "~~~~"; git push; " as my normal commit line for reminder | 15:02 |
| FauxFaux | git commit -am '....' | 15:03 |
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| rcg1 | lcuk: hehe, ic... i think i'll get accustomed to this over time. only used subversion so far ;) | 15:08 |
| rcg1 | most probably should add something like this to my cheat cheets as well :) | 15:08 |
| Arkenoi | is there a pdf reader that is capable of both reflow and remembering position? absense of both features is major showstopper for reading pdf books on a generic handheld :-( | 15:09 |
| roota | second version stand alone build up so just ..... :) | 15:09 |
| thp | MohammadAG: there's a community ssu repo already | 15:09 |
| rcg1 | MohammadAG: i send the merge request btw. | 15:09 |
| roota | ssu -- blue sky . | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | thp, so rewrites should be put under that? | 15:10 |
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| roota | ^^ ... drive code ... ^^~~ but not yet. | 15:11 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: i think if the rewrites are targetted for the community ssu (i.e. equal or better functionality than the original packages) then yes | 15:12 |
| thp | MohammadAG: but it's your call, obviously ;) | 15:12 |
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| Venemo_N900 | how is it possible that the N900 charges while bme is offő | 15:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | how is it possible that the N900 charges while bme is off? | 15:13 |
| lardman | does it? | 15:13 |
| thp | MohammadAG: if there's e.g. a better TV out applet, would there be any reason not to replace the proprietary package with the FLOSS rewrite? | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | nope :) | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, bq2700 chip | 15:14 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lardman: to my surprise yes, but the led shows steady orange instead of the pulsating one | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | (or was it 27000...) | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | that means your battery is almost empty, and it's emergency-charging the devicer | 15:14 |
| lardman | ah, I must be thinking of the N8x0 which required the kernel to startup | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | -r | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | charging is @ 100mA (afaik), you better start bme | 15:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | k | 15:15 |
| lardman | ah, so it's to avoid the N8x0 problem of not having enough juice to start the kernel to start charging I guess | 15:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ok, started bme | 15:16 |
| thp | lardman: was that the situation where one would have to put the n800 in a freezer to let it start up? | 15:17 |
| lardman | yep :) | 15:18 |
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| kerio | wait, what? | 15:21 |
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| alterego | Eh? | 15:24 |
| * alterego doesn't remember having to do that. | 15:24 | |
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| roota | I thinking n800 it's "trumbler or register" 100mA It's 0.1A in n 800 | 15:25 |
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| roota | maemo persons see you later .. so drinking with . | 15:28 |
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| ShadowJK | Venemo_N900, it only charges it to 25% or so without software control (bme) | 15:31 |
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| ShadowJK | and at low rate | 15:31 |
| alterego | Hrm, I was going to do something today, with QML I think .. | 15:32 |
| alterego | Hrm ... | 15:32 |
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| ShadowJK | pulsating led is generated by the programmable led controller | 15:33 |
| ShadowJK | steady led is generated by the charging chip itself directly | 15:34 |
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| Venemo_N900 | ShadowJK: thanks | 15:34 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer's battery hotswap instructions actually rely on bq24150's independeny emrgency mode, and getting n900 power consumption below the charge current bq24150 uses without software control :) | 15:36 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: ping | 15:49 |
| lcuk | pong only if its about magnum related topics, its sunday i am resting | 15:50 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: no, it is unrelated to magnum :P | 15:51 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: have your rest, I'll ping you tomorrow | 15:52 |
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| alterego | s/resting/hungover/ | 15:52 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, name suggestions? I'd use maemo-applet-tvout but it has maemo in it :p | 15:54 |
| MohammadAG | oh, git names can be changed, right | 15:55 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: use the name cp-applet-tvout | 15:56 |
| lcuk | alterego, haha most likely yes :) | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | libcptvout | 15:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: or community-tvout | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | the name of the binary | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | I already pushed it :p | 15:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | k | 15:58 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, ever used g_dgettext in Qt? | 16:11 |
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| alterego | Nope | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | it works :p | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | pickerDialog->setWindowTitle(QString(g_dgettext("osso-tv-out", "tvou_fi_tv_out"))); | 16:19 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: why wouldn't it work? | 16:25 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: will you make the "new" strings (that are not in osso-tv-out) translatable? i can contribute the german translation | 16:32 |
| alterego | You don't need 'QString()' | 16:32 |
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| korhojoa_ | joyous news guys | 16:32 |
| korhojoa_ | i found a MyDocs backup | 16:32 |
| korhojoa_ | -> i found a device backup | 16:32 |
| korhojoa_ | -> all is well! | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | thp, if there are any new strings, sure, I always use tr() | 16:33 |
| ShadowJK | korhojoa_, awesome :) | 16:33 |
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| korhojoa_ | haha- the dumb thing is, i lost the backup in my home directory on the server. it was even named MyDocs ... felt a bit dumb after i found it with a find / | grep settings.zip | 16:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders why not "find / -name settings.zip" | 16:39 | |
| korhojoa_ | probably because i never really looked up on how to use that command and just always used grep on the output | 16:40 |
| korhojoa_ | but that does seem a lot more handy | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | esp resource saving, and probably faster | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "find / -name settings.zip -a -newer somefile -a -size..." | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | man find helps ;-D | 16:44 |
| korhojoa_ | shukran. | 16:45 |
| alterego | find is an awesome command | 16:46 |
| alterego | Certainly one of my favourites | 16:46 |
| korhojoa_ | i like grep. | 16:46 |
| korhojoa_ | i guess you should like awk if you're 1337 | 16:46 |
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| n900-space | \o/ | 16:55 |
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| timeless_xchat | hello world | 17:07 |
| timeless_xchat | who works on app downloader? | 17:08 |
| timeless_xchat | "Unfortunately no application found." - kinda sucks | 17:08 |
| timeless_xchat | it let me search for "" and gave me 0 results | 17:09 |
| lcuk | timeless_xchat, danielwilms, wazd x-fade collaborating i believe | 17:10 |
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| lcuk | catch daniel in work in the morning | 17:11 |
| Pauly | hello | 17:11 |
| timeless_xchat | i'm on vacation | 17:11 |
| timeless_xchat | please queue+proxy | 17:11 |
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| timeless_xchat | it's 7am! | 17:11 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: looking at telepathy-butterfly it seems that the maintainer is a collaboran, called Johnny Lamb | 17:11 |
| timeless_xchat | is there a brightness thing that lets me have a dim screen? | 17:12 |
| Pauly | trying to compile Qtwitter to Fremantle but its dependency qca wont build | 17:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: could you contact him to update the version in -devel to the latest upstream? | 17:12 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, if johnny is not on irc, use his email clearly stated in the maintainer address. | 17:12 |
| lcuk | ask him to pop into related channel :) | 17:13 |
| lcuk | ie, diy its sunday. | 17:13 |
| timeless_xchat | s/its/it's/ | 17:13 |
| lcuk | ie, diy it's sunday. | 17:13 |
| * lcuk needs an xchat rule for that one :) | 17:14 | |
| Venemo_N900 | it's sunday and I wanna use msn | 17:14 |
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| timeless_xchat | oh, cute | 17:17 |
| * timeless_xchat figures out how to kinda use appdownloader | 17:18 | |
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| jonwil | Whats the deal with packages that are in the "Maemo 5 device" repositories and also in the Extras repos but are not in the SDK/free repos? | 17:18 |
| jonwil | example being apt-transport-https | 17:18 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hey smoku | 17:29 |
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| smoku | y0 | 17:29 |
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| timeless_xchat | hey, does extras-devel have distinct repos for pr1.1/1.2/1.3? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_xchat: brightness thing? elaborate | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_xchat: (distinct repos) alas not | 17:37 |
| timeless_xchat | i want brightness settings that work in dark rooms | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...which kinda leaves you fscked if you rely on several apps from -devel, and want to restore 1.2 | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_xchat: there's simple brightness widget | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | applet? | 17:39 |
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| timeless_xchat | does it let me have a screen that's dimmer than nokia's dimmest setting? | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 17:40 |
| timeless_xchat | and extra menu applets are really unwanted | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, I can smell this from the wording " is there a brightness thing that lets me have a dim screen?" | 17:41 |
| timeless_xchat | i already have clock, profile, network, bluetooth, presence, mfe, vpn-1, vpn-2 | 17:42 |
| timeless_xchat | plus a usb thing occasionally and something else.. | 17:42 |
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| smoku | DocScrutinizer, you should push those apps to extras-testing and extras if you think they're ready. -devel is for devs | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | smoku: how about backup app does this pushing for me? | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smoku: fact is I can't restore my 1.2 system | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_xchat: The brightness can be reduced below minimum. | 17:45 |
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| timeless_xchat | speedevil : how? | 17:46 |
| smoku | DocScrutinizer, yes. and it's your own fault ;P | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smoku: so yes, either Nokia should have branched the testing and devel repos to have a 1.2 version, or (eeeek) they should have moved *all* apps from testing and devel to extras-1.2 prior to rolling out 1.3 | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | smoku: :-x I don't want to get offensive | 17:48 |
| * SpeedEvil searches. | 17:48 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_xchat: echo 1 > /sys/*/*/brightness | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | and it's 2 | 17:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | the hardware does not support '1' | 17:49 |
| smoku | DocScrutinizer, me too. IIRC extras-testing and extras have different repos for different PR. only -devel runs tle latest SDK always | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | this is not - IMO - quite as dim as you might want in truly dark rooms. | 17:49 |
| timeless_xchat | speedevil : any control panel for this? | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I use a queen-beecon | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | that does it | 17:50 |
| timeless_xchat | ? | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I should investigate patching, but... | 17:50 |
| smoku | DocScrutinizer, so only -devel can screw your dependencies | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | until ambient light changes, which will reset the brighness | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | queen-beecon is a press-button on desktop | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: not if you also use simple-brightness-widget, and set brightness | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | At least IMO | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | E | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | smoku: this conversation is boring to me, and doesn't teach me anything new | 17:51 |
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| timeless_xchat | this seems too complicated | 17:51 |
| timeless_xchat | i'm an end user | 17:51 |
| timeless_xchat | i was kicked out of my hotel room for keeping other occupant awake | 17:51 |
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| kerio | what | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: even if you use simple brightness, unless max brightness is chosen there, which is more like a bug in simple brightness | 17:52 |
| timeless_xchat | (technically, that was mostly because the keyboard was too loud, but...) | 17:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | oops. :( | 17:52 |
| smoku | DocScrutinizer, you brought it on yourself. you shouldn't be whining in the first place ;P | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | you shouldn't upset me before my first coffee kicks in | 17:53 |
| ShadowJK | iirc lots of people asked on maemo-users before N900 was released, whether the "cant go drak enough" bug will be fixed. Someone @nokia said that the team in the closed light room (or something) said it's a huge effort to make step-less brightness adjustment work with ALS, but that lowest setting is going to be really low | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | smoku: and no, it's been timeless_xchat who brought it up | 17:53 |
| jonwil | the more I use my N900, the more I am glad I bought it instead of an Android handset :) | 17:54 |
| ShadowJK | Dimmer than n8x0 for sure, but still "omg put away that lightsaber you're blinding me" level when in darkness :) | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The low-level hardware is unfortunately bright at minimum brightness | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's bearable | 17:54 |
| timeless_xchat | shadowjk: remind me in 10 or so days to smack someone | 17:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I should measure this. | 17:55 |
| ShadowJK | also volume doesn't go low enough when somewhere quiet, but that can be manually adjusted with alsamixer -c p somewhat | 17:55 |
| ShadowJK | -c 0 | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I bet that's caused by the linear nature of PWM, vs the log nature of physiological brightness perception | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/log/ln | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so with a e.g 8bit PWM counter you got 8 distinct levels of brightness | 17:59 |
| TheOneLaw | 3bits give you 8 levels | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | they could have logarithmized the brightness function | 18:01 |
| alterego | Bored, bored, bored. | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even by analog means | 18:01 |
| alterego | Think I might try an get data working for me in MeeGo | 18:01 |
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| * lardman|home fits his new O2 data only SIM into the Tablet | 18:02 | |
| alterego | lardman|home: noice :) | 18:02 |
| alterego | I've been tempted to get a data only, but I do tend to text a lot .. | 18:02 |
| lardman|home | well I want to run a normal phone at the same time, so decided data only for £5/month was pretty good | 18:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer thinks about a bipolar transistor in GND end of backlight LED, with an emitter R, and base fed by integrated voltage of the PWM'd VDD end of backlight LED | 18:03 | |
| lardman|home | only 500MB, but as I have wifi most places that will do | 18:03 |
| timeless_xchat | alterego: the USA has web-sms gateways | 18:04 |
| * timeless_xchat wonders if google voice handles sms | 18:04 | |
| lardman|home | yeah I was thinking of setting up something like that for sms | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (VCI) of course that would have massive impact on efficiency with low brightness settings, as increasingly large chunks of power are dissipated by the transistor | 18:06 |
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| lardman|home | actually data only is a misnomer | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then, OTOH, power consumption wouldn't be any worse than now, just lower limit for brighness is way better | 18:07 |
| lardman|home | free data only, I could still send sms if I wanted to pay for them | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the LCD backlight is controlled over a serial bus - it's not PWMd on the SoC side | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | BOM: ~4 components | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I know | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: so above suggestion is addressed to the LCD manuf | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw LP5523 nicely deals with this problem | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | by implementing a logarithmic steering characteristic | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's how ramp-up/down works at all, for indicator light | 18:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer frowns about no datasheet available even thru the darkest channels, for that LCM | 18:12 | |
| jonwil | why would you want both a N900 with a data SIM and also a regular phone? Isnt the N900 good enough as a regular phone? | 18:12 |
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| korhojoa_ | timeless_xchat: gv handles sms | 18:15 |
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| MohammadAG | right | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | how do i reboot an N8 that's stuck | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | without a removable battery | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | oh, 10s reboots it | 18:19 |
| GAN900 | Throw it at the wall? | 18:19 |
| GAN900 | Put a pin in the mic hole? | 18:19 |
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| pahartik | jonwil: I have Nokia 6151 which I used for mobile network uplink before Nokia N900... Still using it for listening to audio content (MPEG-4 AAC and FM tuner) with wired headphones and receiving rare voice telephone calls with Bluetooth headset | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, I'd try those but it's not mine :p | 18:20 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, even better. :P | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: see schematics, p.6, N1350 | 18:23 |
| TheOneLaw | n8 deal breaker | 18:23 |
| pahartik | jonwil: If mobile network used on Nokia N900 is unreachable, I can switch to other mobile network right away | 18:23 |
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| MohammadAG | rcg1, merged | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: so I like to s/I know/nope/ | 18:24 |
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| testor | hi | 18:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: LCD BL brightness is clearly controlled by GAIA GPIO6/PWM0 - M4 | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | widget.h:7: fatal error: QProximitySensor: No such file or directory | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | compilation terminated. | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | so... when the f will the N8 Qt libs support mobility? | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: and I bet you can tweak that PWM *a lot* to achieve better low end brightness resolution and minimum | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hell, and if not, then use FIQ and do the bitbanging in software | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I was reading the kernel source | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | it did not seem to indicate this was true | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | the power savings of LED consumption in lower brightness won't outweigh the CPU hog, but so what - if it makes you feel better with the backlight brightness | 18:31 |
| SpeedEvil | But was doing I2C (or was it SPI) to the display | 18:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 18:31 | |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't looked at the schematics - will in a bit, thanks | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless the schematics are lying, it's a feasible way | 18:31 |
| jonwil | schematics for what? N900? | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I'm not entirely clear about role and meaning of D1350 and CABC, might me an alternative control path for LCM to also control brightness, which it evidently does, for dynamic BL control (the thing that tries to save BL power my lowering BL and pumping up LCD brightness) | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/might me/might be/ . | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe another hw easter egg - another feature that got designed in but never exploited by sw | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the PWM GAIA bits) | 18:36 |
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| * MohammadAG still wants those tap interrupts in the accelerometer | 18:37 | |
| * DocScrutinizer hands the baton to the kernel hacker guild | 18:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: fix lis302dl.ko | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | what's broken about it? | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's simple :-P | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | It doesn't support your tap irq afaik | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | that's simple? | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it also doesn't put highpass to proper purpose, to enable IRQs only when *moving* the device | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: actually that's simple. The driver source is really clean and nice, and you just need to augment the missing bits. A straight forward task | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB this doesn't apply to whomever it is that deals with lis302 sysfs - probably mce :-( | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, probably, for a kernel hacker :) | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | you can always make another daemon | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: if you're interested we can join efforts | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the kernel fixing part | 18:45 |
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| MohammadAG | I don't mind, it's a nice feature to have actually | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | assuming it doesn't rape the battery (which I recall it doesn't) | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | fixing lis302, at least for hp, has been on my todo list since long | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | but first, oh goody, http://i55.tinypic.com/23uasgm.jpg | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | exams? | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhh | 18:46 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, you might be interesting in finding what does this <MohammadAG> but first, oh goody, http://i55.tinypic.com/23uasgm.jpg | 18:47 |
| jonwil | does having MCE as open source in MeeGo help with understanding what MCE on N900 Maemo is doing? | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | oh and morning :p | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | mce will never be open source | 18:47 |
| jonwil | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce | 18:48 |
| jonwil | That looks like code to me | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 18:48 |
| jonwil | License says LGPL | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | interesting | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | is that the same one? | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | or a rewrite? | 18:48 |
| jonwil | well the code says its nokia code | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | RX34 OMG | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: maybe | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | they open sourced mce?! | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | it's the same one! | 18:49 |
| * MohammadAG confirms that the N9 is a RM-680 | 18:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | EEEEK, the world's coming to an end | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | or an RM-696 o_O | 18:50 |
| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | 511 | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | # Patterns used for the RM-680/RM-690 hardware; | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | 512 | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | # this hardware has a single-colour LED connected to a Lysti controller | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | bummer, they went back from RGB to one colour | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | well, at least they left the code for the device name, lmao | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Bastards, ain't they? | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | BLAARRRGH! first file, guess, GUESS! bme-dbus-names.h | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | didn't the internet rumors say the N9 is indeed an RM-680? | 18:52 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: hmm, what is that? | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | and the official mce.ini | 18:52 |
| jonwil | So is this mce source code actually of value for the N900 or does it only contain stuff pertaining to the new files? | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/mce.ini#line509 | 18:52 |
| RST38h | heya javispedro | 18:52 |
| javispedro | morning | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | jonwil, it does seem of value | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, some bug | 18:52 |
| javispedro | hmm.. hasn't been mce open since long ago? :P | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | triggered by values in transitions.ini | 18:52 |
| javispedro | I kinda remember it is plugin based | 18:52 |
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| * RST38h imagines collective scorn from tmo regulars: WHAT? NO COLOR LED? | 18:53 | |
| javispedro | NO COLOR LED?? | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, that seems to be the full source | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | nope, N9 is a single LED device :( | 18:53 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: all plugins? | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | It's a trap! | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | does it matter? mce is open | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | plugins can be closed | 18:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels like slapped in the face about Nokia opensourcing maemo bits for meego, and leaving maemo community behind as if we had a contagious disease | 18:54 | |
| GAN900 | They'll sell you a Bluetooth addon LED. | 18:54 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: one word: dsme. | 18:54 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, we do have a disease. | 18:54 |
| jonwil | It looks like its usefull for understanding some things but not a direct match for the code running on the N900 | 18:54 |
| * lardman|home just ordered a BT mini kb for £12, quite shocked they are so cheap now | 18:54 | |
| RST38h | We do have a disease indeed | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get source mce | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | Reading package lists... Done | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | Building dependency tree... Done | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | E: Unable to find a source package for mce | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | ha | 18:54 |
| jonwil | i.e. you couldn't use this MCE code to build a drop-in replacement for MCE on the N900 | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: if N9 comes with amoled they thought you don't basically need ANY led | 18:55 |
| javispedro | jonwil: you probably could, most of the functionality is hidden in the plugins | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is arguably reasonable | 18:55 |
| javispedro | jonwil: your daemon just needs to be similar enough to load them | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | let's hype the interwebz | 18:55 |
| lardman|home | Hmm, more tantalising hints, but still no FCC docs | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - I was wondering way back when about illuminating only a tiny corner of a LCD, for powersaving reasons. | 18:56 |
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| javispedro | makes sense. first they put the led on the front again making it more useless, then they make it a part of the screen itself. | 18:57 |
| korhojoa_ | SpeedEvil: like the symbian series have the screensaver bar, so a moving screensaver part then? | 18:57 |
| eichi | is there maybe a bug in the advanced battery status thing? after 2 hours charging, it says 2 minutes left and nearly empty battery | 18:57 |
| RST38h | KBD_SLIDE switch is still there | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | let the hype begin *clicks tweet* | 18:57 |
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| lardman|home | :) | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, so is RX34 :p | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | korhojoa_: no | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | wasn't that the 770? | 18:57 |
| jonwil | Looks like that MCE code includes code for plugins for the brightness stuff | 18:57 |
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| eichi | okay, now it works, strange | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | korhojoa_: A hardware backlight that only lights up 1/100th of the screen, in the corner. | 18:57 |
| korhojoa_ | er. why? | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | korhojoa_: So you can have a status/... display but not use much power. | 18:58 |
| RST38h | Got separate MMC-cover-open switches for two mmcs | 18:58 |
| korhojoa_ | would that not use a part of the screen more, and wear it out or something? | 18:58 |
| lardman|home | MohammadAG: no N800 was RX34 iirc | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | korhojoa_: no | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | and RX48 is N810? | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | korhojoa_: doesn't work that way | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: congrats, good finding | 18:59 |
| RST38h | and a separate switch for the battery cover | 18:59 |
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| MohammadAG | indeed | 18:59 |
| * MohammadAG cheers for open source mce | 18:59 | |
| javispedro | oh, there are some plugins there | 18:59 |
| * MohammadAG sighs at the way they were opened up | 18:59 | |
| javispedro | hm.. not all of them though. | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | so if MeeGo wants something open, it can get it opened | 18:59 |
| jonwil | matching plugin filenames to the n900 filenames, I dont see the accelerometer | 18:59 |
| jonwil | and the vibrator | 18:59 |
| jonwil | and the home key | 18:59 |
| jonwil | the rest has matches | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | There certainly will be an accel. | 19:00 |
| javispedro | a pity cause accel and vibrator is just the two I want. | 19:00 |
| korhojoa_ | SpeedEvil: doesn't work that way? if you need a hardware backlight, then this means that you're using the screen, and to my knowledge, tft's are still susceptible to 'burn in' or what ever you want to call it | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | It may well not be the same one. | 19:00 |
| jonwil | there are a couple new ones that arent on n900 | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | korhojoa_: they aren't really, in normal conditions, and the little that is possible is easily avoided | 19:00 |
| jonwil | like a libproximity.so | 19:00 |
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| korhojoa_ | SpeedEvil: alrighty then | 19:01 |
| jonwil | MCE source in that repo claims its version 1.10.88. No idea what version the MCE on my phone is. | 19:02 |
| korhojoa_ | check with dpkg | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (accel) input-events I guess | 19:02 |
| javispedro | 1.8.something, depending on PR | 19:02 |
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| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# mce --version | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG | mce v1.8.126 | 19:02 |
| _trine | lardman|gone, which keyboard did you buy | 19:03 |
| cehteh | mce source? | 19:03 |
| * jonwil suggests someone should check that entire meego.gitorious.org to see what other juicy pieces may exist there | 19:03 | |
| MohammadAG | yes | 19:03 |
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| cehteh | wohooo | 19:03 |
| cehteh | finally | 19:03 |
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| jonwil | its MCE source for MeeGo, not Maemo | 19:03 |
| jonwil | and doesn' | 19:03 |
| cehteh | :( | 19:03 |
| jonwil | doesn't look like its going to run as-is on an N900 | 19:03 |
| jonwil | although I cant be sure of that | 19:03 |
| wazd | Heya all | 19:03 |
| javispedro | hum | 19:04 |
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| javispedro | there is not a mce bug report. | 19:04 |
| javispedro | *relicese request | 19:04 |
| javispedro | *relicense request | 19:04 |
| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://mxr.maemo.org/ http://maemo.gitorious.org/ http://meego.gitorious.org/ | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Hero of the day: jonwil, for finding meego-mce sources" | 19:05 | |
| lardman|home | hmm, camera_popout_state | 19:05 |
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| lardman|home | /* Unlock tklock if camera is popped out */ | 19:05 |
| lardman|home | that's interesting | 19:05 |
| lardman|home | modules/camera.c | 19:05 |
| javispedro | isn't that n800 | 19:05 |
| jonwil | At the very least it would be good to find out if that mce source is usable on a N900 and if the external interfaces between mce and the rest of the system are the same between that version and the N900 one | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | why? :P | 19:05 |
| lardman|home | javispedro: may be | 19:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's likely 'popped out' simply means that the slider is open. | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Rather than a mechanical pop-out | 19:06 |
| lardman|home | ah good point | 19:06 |
| cehteh | yes there are at least some clues what, why and how mce does some things we only speculated before | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | well | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | someone has to try eventually | 19:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | As a mechanical pop-out is basically horribly expensive. | 19:06 |
| javispedro | well n800 had one | 19:06 |
| lardman|home | have we seen the list of display types in display.c? | 19:07 |
| * javispedro ponders | 19:07 | |
| javispedro | meego doesn't use mce, there was no relicense request for mce | 19:07 |
| javispedro | so why is this there? | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | (pop-out cam) has been used as a synonym for opening cam door, since N800 came with that pop-out cam | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | well | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | good luck | 19:07 |
| lardman|home | Haramatten? | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | it need kernel 2.6.32 | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | : Scratchbox has unsatisfying version: linux-kernel-headers 2.6.22.2 | 19:08 |
| javispedro | minor | 19:08 |
| javispedro | either way | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hail jonwil | 19:08 |
| * infobot bows down to jonwil and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 19:08 | |
| javispedro | if we really want mce so badly (tbh I even thought it was open already =) ), maybe a relicense request is now worth it. | 19:08 |
| jonwil | yeah I think a licence request would be usefull | 19:09 |
| javispedro | as most of the excuses won't be valid. | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | YES | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | those nasty suckers | 19:09 |
| jonwil | I think it would be worth looking in that meego repo for other libs that are now open and that might help with n900/fremantle work | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, go for it | 19:10 |
| javispedro | jonwil: there are many, for ex meego-multimedia repo | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | for maemo we can bang the wall until blood comes, to get some parts opened up, but meego gets all the *maemo* parts it wants, without anybody even dropping a notice here about the fact | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | how utterly insulting and impolite | 19:11 |
| korhojoa_ | The younger child always gets spoilt. | 19:11 |
| javispedro | imho so far I don't think any component on the maemo relicensing queue | 19:11 |
| javispedro | has been relicensed for meego. | 19:12 |
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| javispedro | prolly because the stuff on the licensing queue is the important stuff | 19:12 |
| jonwil | I suspect bme is still closed source in MeeGo | 19:12 |
| javispedro | it is | 19:12 |
| javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=Licensing+Change+Requests&content= | 19:13 |
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| MohammadAG | it was relicensed though | 19:13 |
| jonwil | checking that now | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | as redistributable | 19:13 |
| javispedro | "free to distrbute" | 19:13 |
| javispedro | yep | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH! they could and ought have done this for maemo mce - for example - *long* time ago, WITHOUT us using gold and guns to convince them. They simply could have opened it up, as they did now | 19:14 |
| javispedro | before that bme images were in tablets-dev only =) | 19:14 |
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| MohammadAG | in short | 19:15 |
| javispedro | so, who is interested enough in fremantle bme to fill in the bug report? =) | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | jobpositively. They decided bme is impossible to open up, for whatever ill reasons | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo can get what it want opened | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | which sucks ****s | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: ^^^ | 19:15 |
| javispedro | sigh. | 19:15 |
| javispedro | Meego doesn't use mce! | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | yet | 19:15 |
| javispedro | they even invented their own framework | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | I see | 19:16 |
| javispedro | which is a combination of contextkit and something called sensorwhatever | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | so Harmattan will have an open MCE | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: fremantle bme bug report??? | 19:16 |
| jonwil | lets file a request for it | 19:16 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yep. there isn't any! | 19:16 |
| jonwil | worst Nokia can do is say "no" and we move on | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | what bug report? | 19:17 |
| javispedro | err.. | 19:17 |
| javispedro | wait. | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: bme relicensing requests are legion | 19:17 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314=bme | 19:17 |
| povbot | Bug 9314: Relicense BME | 19:17 |
| javispedro | bad url, sorry. | 19:17 |
| javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314 | 19:17 |
| povbot | Bug 9314: Relicense BME | 19:17 |
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| jonwil | Nokia have already said "no" to opening BME | 19:17 |
| javispedro | I do not think they have, but it's pretty much assumed. | 19:18 |
| trx | if they could just partly open it.. | 19:18 |
| javispedro | They've said no to metatracker, for ex. | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: sorry, I don't get it. there's 9314, so what bug report to fill now? | 19:18 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: for mce! | 19:18 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I confused one letter =) | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH, then say "mce" not "bme" | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 19:19 |
| jonwil | so yeah lets ask Nokia to open MCE of n900 plus all plugins that are not sensitive | 19:19 |
| javispedro | <javispedro> They've said no to metatracker, for ex. --> metalayer (sorry again) | 19:19 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: We don't know, of course, what MeeGo-Harmattan uses (presumably still mce, given what MohammadAG pointed to) or even what Nokia might bolt in to any MeeGo for their OS. | 19:19 |
| Jaffa | s/OS/devices/ | 19:20 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: javispedro: We don't know, of course, what MeeGo-Harmattan uses (presumably still mce, given what MohammadAG pointed to) or even what Nokia might bolt in to any MeeGo for their devices. | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sensorwhatever==sensorfw, and it's poorly documeted and also a poor concept, it seems | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | based largely on polling, which will kill battery life | 19:20 |
| jonwil | What nokia does on which platforms or OS releases doesn't really matter to us, what matters to us is that there is code released by Nokia as LGPL for an unknown version of MCE for an unknown hardware platform/OS version | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | when I asked in #meego about it, I got the usual answer | 19:21 |
| jonwil | and based on this, many arguments against releasing the code to the Fremantle MCE should now be moot | 19:21 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: yes, thanks for reminding me of one of the potential pitfalls of meego =) | 19:21 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: what is the usual answer? "go over to #maemo"? | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | the usual answer for me is wait (which I usually interpret as fuck off :P) | 19:22 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, do you remeber me asking about pairing 2 blue tooth devices at the same time? this keyboard seems to be able to do it. :- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mini-Wireless-Double-Bluetooth-Pairing-Keyboard-w-Mice-/290523557584?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item43a48daed0 | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: "there's no specs yet. wait. don't bitch. you are free to send patches when we are done with it" | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: nice find | 19:22 |
| mikki-kun | wow... so i am not missing a thing :) | 19:23 |
| mikki-kun | great community here :) | 19:23 |
| GAN900 | Nerp | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | ha, so I'm not the only told to wait | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: afaik it depends on BT profile used, if and how many concurrent devices you can pair | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | s/wait/fuck off :p/ | 19:23 |
| infobot | MohammadAG meant: ha, so I'm not the only told to fuck off :p | 19:23 |
| mikki-kun | XD | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: not at all | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and that SUCKS | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and makes me hate meego at alrge | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | large* | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | funny how they ask you to help with MeeGo, when you ask how, you're told to wait | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | npot funny, but yes | 19:25 |
| * MohammadAG lights a cig for DocScrutinizer | 19:26 | |
| javispedro | Jaffa: on the other side it is Nokia itself behind contextkit and sensorfw, so it would be weird behaviour from them. | 19:26 |
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| javispedro | (but I guess we have come to expect that from Nokia :) ) | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | didn't they have OTG swapped in a last minute decision? | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | surely they can swap contextkit and sensorfw with mce :p | 19:27 |
| * MohammadAG hides | 19:27 | |
| javispedro | yes, and qt with e18 | 19:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels a weird sickness | 19:27 | |
| javispedro | Where's my Enlightenment phone?? | 19:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer tosses a FR over to javispedro | 19:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | with SHR | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | hm, maybe hildon + MeeGo should be HeeGo? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | SheeBlo | 19:29 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, is funny the word? :P | 19:29 |
| GAN900 | It's unfortunate that the people contributing don't see it with their skewed perspective. | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's been that quote form yesterday TV? "no kid likes other kids peeing his sandpox" | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | extreme form of NIH | 19:32 |
| lardman|home | peeing in his sandbox? | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | sandbox even | 19:32 |
| lardman|home | or perhaps you mean s/sandpox/smallpox | 19:32 |
| lardman|home | ;) | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Alzheimer | 19:33 |
| lardman|home | :) | 19:33 |
| jonwil | so is someone going to file a license change request for the n900 Fremantle MCE? | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: yes, you are. | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro should do this? | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: you're going to do it in 27 minutes. | 19:34 |
| * MohammadAG sees javispedro raising his hand | 19:34 | |
| * javispedro is not here at the moment, please leave your message after the tone.. | 19:35 | |
| MohammadAG | I have your kids, open a license change request or you'll never see them until the N9 is released | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | (that should translate to never see them again, ever) | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "Dear Master, your people asks for you rising your mighty voice" | 19:35 |
| * jonwil wonders what other things would be worth having under a "closed but redistributable" license in the way BME is | 19:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | s/your/Thy | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/you/Thou | 19:37 |
| BCMM | jonwil: same sorta conditions a "normal" binary linux driver like nvidia or something is under? | 19:38 |
| javispedro | jonwil: are you writing it? do you have the template? | 19:38 |
| jonwil | I am not writing the bug report | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: nothing I could think of right atm | 19:38 |
| jonwil | wouldnt it be usefull to have the SGX blobs under such a license? | 19:39 |
| jonwil | so they can be used in alternative OS's just like BME can now be | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, yes, probably. But there are legal issues with (C) afaik | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | a try can't hurt | 19:39 |
| * javispedro sighs | 19:40 | |
| javispedro | ok, ok. | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MEH! Nokia, open up THE maemo sources, now that you don't want to continue supporting maemo! | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Differentiation? moot! Quality? moot! | 19:41 |
| mrdongle_ | yea | 19:42 |
| mrdongle_ | lawyers - still lawyering | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3rd party (C)? WTF!! | 19:42 |
| jonwil | Getting stuff opened up where the code is in MeeGo and is now open might be fesable. Getting stuff opened up where its still closed in MeeGo wont happen (i.e. BME) | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (h-e-n charging) Status: 0x10 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 WallCharger: 0 Battery Voltage: 4174 NAC: 2054 Battery level: 100 % | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | since 24h now, good enough | 19:44 |
| mrdongle_ | h-e-n is BME replacement? what? | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | npe, not exactly | 19:44 |
| mrdongle_ | so.. the battery charging is not managed by firmware but by userspace or kernel software? | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | h-e-n is hostmode-easy-now, the USB hostmode project. bme is a sting in our flesh, when it comes to hostmode, so we invented simple replacements just dealing with battery charging | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mrdongle_: battery charging is mainly managed by a dedicated chip called BQ24150, in N900 | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this chip basically needs no sw support | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | other than configuring it correctly | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and tickling a hw-watchdog | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | The 'valuable battery related IP' argument is - basically - bullshit. | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | completely, stinking BS, a huuuge pile of | 19:47 |
| jonwil | I think there is genuine concern about issues with people causing damage to batteries | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | The safety argument is almost bullshit. | 19:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: the chip is imanently safe | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | but that's 99.9% addressible with a sane kernel driver for bq24150 | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | s/safety/reliability/ | 19:48 |
| jonwil | isnt the situation that Nokia implemented charging algos directly in BME and didnt use the hardware charging algo? | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | no evidence for that, on N900 | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | You can't really bypass the hw charging algo | 19:48 |
| jonwil | ok | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and we damn traced bme actions for hours and days | 19:49 |
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| jonwil | ok, so what does BME do other than talking to the bq24150? | 19:49 |
| * Arkenoi remembers GEOS communicator days, pre-symbian. It was Nokia's classic response "why you cannot do this or that" -- "it is not ours, we ordered it from the company that owns GEOS". Actually Nokia could just buy out it completely and it would be cheaper maybe, but they preferred to deal with it that way. | 19:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | actually, whenever bme does anything to alter the chip's genuine behaviour, then that's a braindamaged thing we would like to get rid of. Things like keeping charging enabled despite battery cell manufs say you MUST NOT do this | 19:50 |
| jonwil | I might go through the list of installed packages on my phone (from /var/lib/dkpg/info), find all the ones that are closed source and then find out which ones are now open source in the MeeGo repos so we can consider filing licence change requests for them. e.g. libiphb0 is now open in MeeGo but closed in Maemo | 19:51 |
| ShadowJK | That's an area where software could improve the hardware behaviour, compensate for the charger's inability to distinguish between charge current and system drain | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | but bme doesn't | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | au contraire | 19:52 |
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| ShadowJK | It pretty much assumes the system uses 0 power :-) | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:52 |
| jonwil | how does libbmeipc fit into this? | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | it's a closed undocumented library to query bme about battery state, more or less | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: that's the problem: bme is doing a shitload of loosely related stuff, like temperature management, charge-level guestimation for HAL, and whatnot else | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: libbmeips afaik is used only by PA | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably to playback alarm sounds | 19:54 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: please do! that would be a really awesome thing to do. | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | if THAT is the "valuable battery management IP" then I dunno | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: yeah, I second SpeedEvil 's notion | 19:56 |
| jonwil | yeah I do plan to do that search | 19:56 |
| jonwil | to see whats open for MeeGo but not for Fremantle | 19:56 |
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| jonwil | so we can file license change requests for the interesting bits | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: (libbmeipc) lsof|grep bme | 19:57 |
| jonwil | would filing a lic change for libiphb0 be worth doing? | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, of course hald-addon-bme also is using libbmeipc | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's libiphb0? | 19:58 |
| jonwil | not 100% sure but there was a lic change request related to it before IIRC | 19:59 |
| javispedro | libiphb IS already opened since long ago | 19:59 |
| javispedro | and I'm sure about this one since I saw the request | 19:59 |
| jonwil | so even Fremantle has open libiphb? | 19:59 |
| javispedro | yep | 19:59 |
| jonwil | ok | 20:00 |
| javispedro | either way it's a pretty much generic lib | 20:00 |
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| jonwil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libiphb0/ says its in nokia-binaries | 20:00 |
| jonwil | so for fremantle its not open | 20:00 |
| javispedro | repositories will never change | 20:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders WTF is >>bme_RX-51 727 root 6u REG 0,11 80 3167 /nosmq | 20:01 | |
| javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4520 | 20:01 |
| povbot | Bug 4520: Cannot build libhildondesktop1 on Mer: No source for libiphb0 | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody give me a clue what a file /nosmq might be? | 20:03 |
| jonwil | interesting, the code in the meego repo does not include the hd-heartbeat.c mentioned in the bug | 20:05 |
| javispedro | "hd" means hildon-desktop | 20:05 |
| javispedro | so if anything it would be in hildon deskto | 20:05 |
| javispedro | p | 20:05 |
| jonwil | oh yeah hd-heartbeat.c is not what was closed | 20:05 |
| jonwil | hd-heartbeat.c is what was #including closed .h files | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hd-heartbeat sounds like HD talking to dsme to tickle a wd-timer | 20:06 |
| RST38h | yep | 20:06 |
| javispedro | nope | 20:06 |
| javispedro | iphb is a library for merging timers | 20:06 |
| RST38h | or more likely, hd talking to whatever to prevent its restart | 20:06 |
| javispedro | there's a word for this but sadly I don't know it | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think bme and mce are doing similar things | 20:07 |
| javispedro | if two applications request 30 second timers | 20:07 |
| javispedro | iphb will try to merge them into one single wakeup | 20:07 |
| javispedro | to avoid cpu wakeups | 20:07 |
| jonwil | I count 95 files that link to libbmeipc | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow | 20:07 |
| javispedro | jonwil: too many | 20:08 |
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| jonwil | we have /usr/bin/testserver, whatever that is | 20:08 |
| javispedro | are you sure? | 20:08 |
| javispedro | there's only like three packages | 20:08 |
| jonwil | libthermalobject_surface.so | 20:08 |
| jonwil | in dsme | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | the thermal mgmt shit | 20:09 |
| jonwil | hald-addon-bme talks to it | 20:10 |
| jonwil | pulseaudio has libnokia-common talking to it | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | as mentioned above | 20:11 |
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| jonwil | module-nokia-music, module-nokia-record and module-nokia-voice | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | pulseaudi 792 pulse mem REG 254,1 8312 26120 /usr/lib/libbmeipc.so.0 | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hald-addo 887 root mem REG 254,1 8312 26120 /usr/lib/libbmeipc.so.0 | 20:11 |
| jonwil | a LOT of libs in /usr/lib/testserver talk to it | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever that testserver might be | 20:12 |
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| jonwil | "This test server provides tests for production line and maintenance tests. It receives PhoNet messages through UART or USB and runs required tests using kernel drivers and responds to the messages." | 20:13 |
| jonwil | sounds like it exists so nokia service people can talk to it with some other software and test phone hardware at low level for faults | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, mce closed has always been a major PITA as you can't even do silly simple things like tweak the way the system deals with kbd backlight | 20:16 |
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| jonwil | so yeah someone should file a lic change request for fremantle MCE then | 20:17 |
| jonwil | btw, the thermalobject thing is open source. Although it looks like we dont have the bme\* include files required to compile it | 20:18 |
| jonwil | maybe we should ask for libbmeipc0-dev package :P | 20:19 |
| alterego | Oh wow | 20:20 |
| jonwil | oh wow what? | 20:20 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: http://pastie.org/1467388 | 20:23 |
| alterego | See that interface: "org.ofono.CellBroadcast" ;) | 20:23 |
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| jonwil | So its possible to get CBSMS to work on the N900 without the need to make risky mods to the cell-modem firmware? | 20:24 |
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| alterego | jonwil: this is MEeGo, not Maemo | 20:24 |
| jonwil | its still n900 and still the same cell firmware AFAIK | 20:24 |
| alterego | That was from meego, not maemo should I say. | 20:24 |
| alterego | Yeah, sure. | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: oh wow | 20:24 |
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| lardman|home | what's a cell broadcast? | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | SMS for the masses | 20:25 |
| alterego | lardman|home: usually contains information like your post code. | 20:25 |
| lardman|home | and is sent to whom? | 20:26 |
| alterego | Everyone | 20:26 |
| jonwil | its sent by the tower to everyone in range | 20:26 |
| lardman|home | why? | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Not in the UK. | 20:26 |
| lardman|home | oh I see | 20:26 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: it is in the UK | 20:26 |
| jonwil | Its usually used for a tower identity | 20:26 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: I've used it loads, though not all operators. | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are like 999 channels you can register with, and info sent is location specific - sometimes | 20:26 |
| lardman|home | ok | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: well - not int he operators I've looked at anyway witht he phone that supported | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | jonwil: risky mods to cell-modem? | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | jonwil: as in what sort of risk? | 20:27 |
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| jonwil | I just remember someone saying before that CBSMS on n900 was not possible due to cell modem firmware not supporting it | 20:27 |
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| jonwil | and I know that modifications to cell-modem firmware is usually risky or dangerous (it is on other phones) | 20:27 |
| jonwil | hence my comment | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | German (and other?) O2 carrier sends Gauss-Wegener coords of BTS on CBC:221 | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | well, its' not on n900 | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | you can mod it | 20:28 |
| jacekowski | flash it | 20:28 |
| jacekowski | and in worst case scenario you will have to flash it back to stock firmware | 20:28 |
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| Venemo_N900 | if you start a video from the file manager and ctrl+backspace from the media player before the video starts, it will play the video in the background | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: wasn't cellmo FW checksum-signed or sth? | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | it is | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | but even if you break it | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | you can still flash it | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...but it won't work? :-P | 20:30 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, I dont know how CBSMS works or how SMS works on the N900 but maybe its possible to study MeeGo code for CBSMS and write something for maemo (kernel driver e.g.) that can grab the CBSMS away from the telephony stack and do stuff with it. | 20:30 |
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| * jonwil makes note to study cbsms code for meego in detail | 20:31 | |
| jonwil | worst case scenario is that its not possible without replacing SMS or telephony stack | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's CBSMS code for meego? o.O | 20:31 |
| javispedro | well | 20:31 |
| jonwil | http://pastie.org/1467388 seems to imply there is | 20:31 |
| javispedro | ofono is basically what the n900 uses but evolved and gpl'd | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 20:32 |
| javispedro | evolded=modularized, cleaned, etc. | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | I can mix C and C++ without using wrappers right? | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | if you're lucky | 20:32 |
| jonwil | if a way can be found to suppor t | 20:32 |
| jonwil | support CBSMS on fremantle | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | there are some incompatible differences | 20:33 |
| jonwil | without the need to replace the entire connectivity stack and all apps then | 20:33 |
| jonwil | that would be a good thing | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure | 20:33 |
| alterego | someone got ofono working on maemo aswell. | 20:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: yes, because c++ is a superset of c | 20:33 |
| alterego | So it's conceivable to replace what maemo uses with ofono and a new dialer etc. | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, ofono is using phonet, no? and it's foss | 20:34 |
| alterego | Yes | 20:34 |
| jonwil | it would be even better if its possible to support cbsms without the need to replace dialer and sms app and stuff | 20:34 |
| alterego | Possibly .. | 20:35 |
| alterego | If it's possible, which is unlikely imo | 20:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: meego uses ofono too, isn't it? | 20:35 |
| jonwil | I have made a note to study cbsms in ofono and meego | 20:35 |
| jonwil | and see how it works | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and iirc phonet is available even via tethering - se cdc_phonet | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | see* | 20:35 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: indeed | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | out with the dialer! muhahaha | 20:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: reminds me, can I make phone calls with the earpiece on meego yet? | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, but the code will be messed up right? | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | C: int* foo; foo = malloc(sizeof(int)); C++: int *foo: foo = (int*) malloc(sizeof(int));, in C void* can be assigned to any pointer type, in C++ you need to cast | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, not afaik | 20:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels like mentioning that this string in ofono reply doesn't guarantee phonet really supports CBSMS | 20:36 | |
| ShadowJK | This makes some C not compile as C++ :) | 20:36 |
| jonwil | well I will be looking into just what it does anyway | 20:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: not necessarily. if you care about clean code then it won't be messed up | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither the cellmo FW | 20:36 |
| jonwil | it may be that it sujpports CBSMS on some future hardware we dont have yet | 20:37 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: not yet no :) | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | and of course, if someone writes: int new=0; new++; which is valid C, it'll fail to compile as C++ | 20:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | ShadowJK: some c compilers also require you to cast from void* | 20:37 |
| jonwil | but not on the n900 | 20:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: seriously, how hard is it to implement? | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | Venemo_N900, which? | 20:37 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: probably more than you think, it's entire pulseaudio routing policies. | 20:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | ShadowJK: maybe visual c does, I'm not sure | 20:38 |
| alterego | So it's not just about calls, it's about media playback, has to handle live diversion from loudspeaker to earpeice, headset, handle headset controls. | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | msvc isn't a c compiler :) | 20:38 |
| alterego | I'm sure it's that that trivial, and it'll be ready soon enough :P | 20:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | ShadowJK: oh, it has one | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | It fails on many valid C things | 20:39 |
| javispedro | alterego: it is trivial, but I guess they're trying to do it properly (using pulseaudio profiles for ex.) instead of the nokia way | 20:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | ShadowJK: it is even stricter than gnu's sometimes | 20:39 |
| jonwil | btw I seem to have a habit of comming into communities and doing cool stuff (like finding MCE code). | 20:39 |
| ShadowJK | Venemo_N900, it's "stricter" than the C standard in some cases | 20:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | jonwil: mce code? | 20:39 |
| ShadowJK | meaning it's really following C++ instead of C in some cases | 20:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | ShadowJK: I think it uses an older standard. | 20:40 |
| jonwil | I found a source tree for MCE in the meego repos | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | Well yeah, its outdatedness is also a problem :) | 20:40 |
| jonwil | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce | 20:40 |
| jonwil | Its not the same as the one on the N900 | 20:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | ShadowJK: for example, it only allows declarations at the beginning of blocks, etc. | 20:40 |
| alterego | I don't think meego uses mce :P | 20:40 |
| jonwil | doesnt matter what meego is using | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you'd need to find out how to CBSMS in phonet API, either by scrutinizing ofono src or by reading phonet specs, and then see if BB5 RAPUYAMA modem in N900 plays nice when throwing these commands at it, or possibly throws an error | 20:40 |
| javispedro | alterego: that was my point a few hours above =) | 20:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: seems that it has one now | 20:41 |
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| alterego | No, probably old redundant. | 20:41 |
| javispedro | yeah. | 20:41 |
| jonwil | but yeah what matters is that MCE code is now open | 20:41 |
| alterego | Maybe related to Harmatten device. | 20:41 |
| jonwil | so filing license change request for fremantle MCE means many arguments about why not to open it go away | 20:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: maybe ask someone who knows for sure? | 20:41 |
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| alterego | tbh, I'm not interested. | 20:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: the usually don't make harmattan components oss | 20:42 |
| alterego | We don't use MCE in the N900 adaptation, that I'm sure of | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: pnatd, on issueing the related AT cmds, replies ERROR | 20:42 |
| jonwil | is pnatd on fremantle or meego in this case? | 20:42 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Is pnatd a more cooked interface than is used by the phone/... stack? | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: this means either it's not implemented in pnatd, or cellmo doesn't support it | 20:42 |
| alterego | pnatd is maemo, meego doesn't have anything like that. | 20:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: does sts know something about it? | 20:43 |
| alterego | Ask him :P | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I note - IIRC - it also doesn't support dialing. | 20:43 |
| javispedro | pnatd??' | 20:43 |
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| javispedro | pnatd does, it even launches the UI | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: aiui it's a nobrainer AT translator to libisi | 20:43 |
| jonwil | DocScrutinizer, what are the AT commands in question? | 20:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: atm I don't really care :P | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: UI for CBSMS? | 20:44 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no, plain voice dialong. | 20:44 |
| javispedro | *dialing | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: that's not been the topic | 20:44 |
| alterego | Probably AT+CGDCONT | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: sorry, I forgot. | 20:44 |
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| javispedro | (i was talking about dialing =) ) | 20:45 |
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| jonwil | how do I use pnatd? | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | I'll go with a wrapper | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | noobish question, what's the difference between void and static void? | 20:46 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: static functions can only be called from that file | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | like private? | 20:46 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: static has many meanings in C | 20:46 |
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| javispedro | depends on context, unfortunately. | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | static void onRendererAdded(MafwRegistry* mafw_registry, GObject* renderer, gpointer user_data); | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | for one | 20:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: except static member functions (methods) of a class which mean that the method is related to the class, but not to any particular instance | 20:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: a static method declared in a c file means that that method can only be called from that file | 20:47 |
| jonwil | hmmm, damn, AT+CLAC isnt supported by whatever pnatd uses | 20:48 |
| alterego | pnatd doesn't use anything | 20:48 |
| jonwil | I mean by whatever it talks to | 20:48 |
| alterego | it literally just translates a minimal AT command set. | 20:48 |
| alterego | No, you don't :P | 20:48 |
| jonwil | ok, my mistake | 20:49 |
| jonwil | pnatd doesnt do what I thought it did | 20:49 |
| mrdongle_ | ty for info DocScrutinizer | 20:49 |
| jonwil | It doesnt work like the AT command daemon on other phones I know that sends AT commands to the baseband | 20:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: there are other meanings of the static keyword of course, depending on context | 20:49 |
| alterego | jonwil: yeah, quite a few phones work like that, but we talk to the Nokia baseband using phonet :P | 20:49 |
| javispedro | jonwil: http://lwn.net/Articles/303274/ | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | AT+CSCB... ? | 20:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: that's the point | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BB5 is using some binary interface and phonet, aiui | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, alterego was faster | 20:51 |
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| jonwil | so is someone going to file a license change request for fremantle MCE or not? | 20:52 |
| javispedro | i'm trying to think | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, thanks | 20:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | jonwil: someone tried afaik, but I can't recall the details | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: \o/ thanks mate :-) | 20:53 |
| javispedro | asking about a relicense at this point is stupid, as the answer is "it already is" | 20:53 |
| javispedro | however | 20:53 |
| javispedro | asking for the missing plugins that were in fremantle isn't. | 20:53 |
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| jonwil | well what we would be asking for is that source matching fremantle be released (or rather source that is compatible with all the closed bits in fremantle that talk to MCE and its plugins) | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: we'd like to get 1.8 rather than 1.11 though, for mce | 20:54 |
| javispedro | imo it probably already is | 20:54 |
| jonwil | which of these drivers http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/ofono/trees/master/drivers matches the n900? | 20:54 |
| javispedro | isi | 20:55 |
| jonwil | I think its the isimodem | 20:55 |
| jonwil | ok | 20:55 |
| jonwil | thats what I thought | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | libisi | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | is what's used in N900 | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui libisi is an interface to phonet | 20:55 |
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| Venemo_N900 | jonwil: btw what are we hoping to achieve with all this? | 20:56 |
| mrdongle_ | immortality | 20:57 |
| jonwil | with ofono examination, the aim is to see if there is any way to get cbsms working on n900 | 20:57 |
| jonwil | ofono supports cbsms, ergo we need to see if whatever device-specific bits that cbsms support uses exist in the n900 device specific code | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | jonwil: why bother with license change requests? | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | jonwil: they'll just be ignored | 20:58 |
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| Venemo_N900 | jonwil: what is cbsms? | 20:58 |
| jonwil | cbsms is broadcast SMS | 20:58 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: rather, everything that is not on the queue will be opened =9 | 20:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | jonwil: never heard of them, sorry | 20:59 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: the stuff on the queue, being the important stuff, will never be. | 20:59 |
| jonwil | its used e.g. to send out a name or location for a cell tower | 20:59 |
| * javispedro finds that funny. | 20:59 | |
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| jonwil | worst that can happen if we file a license change request for fremantle MCE is that we get nothing and we use the MCE from the MeeGo repo as a source of info and code | 21:00 |
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| trumee | is it possible to find out which operator has the best signal inside the house without buying their sim? | 21:00 |
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| luke-jr | trumee: I asked the same a while ago | 21:00 |
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| trumee | luke-jr, and? | 21:01 |
| luke-jr | never got an answer | 21:01 |
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| trumee | will this cbsms thing help this? | 21:02 |
| luke-jr | doubt it | 21:02 |
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| jonwil | ok, isimodem\cbs.c exists and has code | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now that sounds promising | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: luke-jr: sure. When scanning for available networks, you should, in theory, get a list of *all* BTS in vicinity, together with signal strength | 21:05 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: if you want to wait 10 minutes at each extreme of your house sure | 21:06 |
| luke-jr | and even then you don't get signal strength, just "is it there"? | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: got a better idea? | 21:06 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: something like kismet would be nice | 21:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests buying a Rhode&Schwartz GSM analyzer - only 80k$ | 21:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: unlike kismet, for GSM you got some 1600 channels to scan | 21:08 |
| luke-jr | yeah, $80k for something N900 should be able to do | 21:08 |
| luke-jr | 1600 channels, really? | 21:08 |
| jonwil | I remember many years ago when I used to work for Motorola (back in the days when the RAZR was king) they had that kind of fancy gear in the lab | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: N900 *is* able to do that. Just not as fast as you think it should be | 21:08 |
| luke-jr | pretty sure nobody else's phones take 10 minutes to find service | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: it's called "show available networks" | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | pretty sure every phone takes that long to find networks, in an unknown poor signal level environment | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, seeya folks | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ps: usually phones store channel and MNC of recently used BTS to SIM. So they get a connection rather fast on bootup. Given the location didn't change during downtime | 21:13 |
| jonwil | I get the feeling that reverse engineering some headers for libisi will be required to get cbsms working without replacing everything related to telephony. But hey, I like a challenge :) | 21:14 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: well, it could at least show signal strengths | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ack | 21:15 |
| javispedro | jonwil: why? the isi protocol is pretty much understood | 21:15 |
| jonwil | oh ok if we know how to talk isi then it should just be a matter of writing something that sends the right stuff to the cellmodem | 21:15 |
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| jonwil | using the ofono source as a base | 21:15 |
| jonwil | so we write e.g. libcbsms | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG | thp ping | 21:16 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: what I meant is that atd - does not work. So pnatd is doing something. | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: isn't that exactly what I suggested some lines up? :-D | 21:16 |
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| jonwil | didnt see it | 21:16 |
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| vi_ | hi | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | UI suggestions? http://i54.tinypic.com/8zjijd.jpg | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-16 19:40:58] <DocScrutinizer> jonwil: you'd need to find out how to CBSMS in phonet API, either by scrutinizing ofono src or by reading phonet specs, and then see if BB5 RAPUYAMA modem in N900 plays nice when throwing these commands at it, or possibly throws an error | 21:17 |
| vi_ | can somone tell me wtf the process 'bridge_work-que' is and why it is keeping my cpu awake all the time? | 21:17 |
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| vi_ | seriously, it is running all the time | 21:18 |
| korhojoa_ | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/15/man-discovers-glasses-free-3d-tech-in-the-blink-of-an-eye-video/ when do we get this on our n900's ? | 21:18 |
| vi_ | and destroying my battery life | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | where phonet API == libisi AIUI | 21:19 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, so is there any way to show signal strengths in xterm? | 21:19 |
| jonwil | heh, the fact that its 3am here doesn't help when it comes to following conversations :P | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 21:20 |
| vi_ | yes | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-monitor|grep signal | 21:20 |
| jonwil | should probably go to bed and read ofono code some more tommorow | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sth along that line | 21:20 |
| vi_ | so bridge_work-que wtf is that? | 21:21 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, for all the networks? | 21:21 |
| jonwil | cya | 21:21 |
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| vi_ | for gsm radio | 21:21 |
| vi_ | use iwconfig to see wifi | 21:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ui suggestions for what? | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for servicing BTS aka your home tower | 21:21 |
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| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, the screenshot | 21:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: which? | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | interesting fact: all Tonal/hexadecimal numbers ending in nolls/zeros always end in 6 when converted to decimal | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> UI suggestions? http://i54.tinypic.com/8zjijd.jpg | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | and the tens place, is a pattern of 1 5 9 3 7, repeate | 21:23 |
| vi_ | no shit base 10 base 16 | 21:23 |
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| javispedro | it is hard for me to find justification for mce | 21:23 |
| korhojoa_ | MohammadAG: well keep it consistent, are there other options than pal and ntsc? | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | vi_: cmon, at least the tens place pattern is interesting? | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | korhojoa_: HD? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: ehh? 0x20 = 32 | 21:24 |
| korhojoa_ | luke-jr: for video out on the n900? | 21:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: I'd use a value button for the aspect ratio | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: I mean like 10, 100, 1000, 10000, 100000 | 21:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: but it looks okay | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | korhojoa_: oh. | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | korhojoa_, it started as a clone | 21:25 |
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| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, I was thinking of actually switching to ratio buttons | 21:25 |
| korhojoa_ | okay. well, just choose either type and stick with it :D | 21:25 |
| vi_ | seriously does any one know wtf bridge_work-que process is???????? | 21:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: okay then | 21:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: but be consistent. | 21:25 |
| korhojoa_ | vi_: what firmware are you on? | 21:26 |
| vi_ | pr1.3 | 21:26 |
| pahartik | trumee: For Bluetooth, "hcitool rssi <bdaddr>" | 21:26 |
| korhojoa_ | vi_: did you bother doing a search? | 21:27 |
| korhojoa_ | vi_: this took me less than three seconds http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51040 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: that's pretty trivial, as 6*6=36. Same works for base15 as 5*5=25 | 21:27 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: including the tens pattern? | 21:28 |
| alterego | The ofono API for CBSMS looks neat: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/ofono/blobs/d9a275c52ed846071a00a610b9a0d5ae6c238c14/doc/cell-broadcast-api.txt | 21:28 |
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| luke-jr | actually, 5*… seems to always be 25 :P | 21:28 |
| trx | how can i invoke "select connection" dialog? i am trying to use libconic but it just creates a connection without "select connection" dialog :/ | 21:28 |
| luke-jr | 6*… is 3 1 9 7 5 | 21:29 |
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| MohammadAG | what's the opposite of widescreen again? :P | 21:32 |
| javispedro | portrait | 21:32 |
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| MohammadAG | err, that's not 4:3 :p | 21:33 |
| trx | the "not wide screen" :) | 21:33 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer51: jonwil: bug #11794 | 21:33 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11794 Open Fremantle's MCE | 21:33 |
| korhojoa_ | Thinscreen, obviously | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | did you fuck up and link to bme? :) | 21:33 |
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| javispedro | It had to happen. | 21:34 |
| javispedro | doesn't matter, classification is right | 21:34 |
| javispedro | (bme is L6) | 21:34 |
| javispedro | (while I correctly stated that mce is L7) | 21:34 |
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| vi_ | yeah i saw that thread, completly irrelevant. I dont have any media files | 21:35 |
| thp | MohammadAG: pong | 21:35 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: There's not really a term for "not widescreen", unless you get into the technical 12F9 etc. | 21:36 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: feel free to add anything to it. | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | 4:# | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | 4:3 | 21:38 |
| korhojoa_ | what's that, some new smiley? | 21:38 |
| korhojoa_ | cat with a hat? | 21:38 |
| trx | lol | 21:38 |
| korhojoa_ | I know this one's a lion >:3 | 21:38 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Terms you might be thinking of: "SD" (in US, because widescreen came along with HD). "4:3", "letterbox" (for showing widescreen content in a 4:3 frame, also "16L12"), "12F12" (i.e. 12:9 image in a 12:9 frame) | 21:39 |
| kerio | JESUS CHRIST GET IN THE CAR | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | thp, http://i55.tinypic.com/1zyf19f.jpg | 21:40 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, it's an object name, so I just used nonWsRadio :P | 21:40 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Ah, sounds sensible :-) | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | thp, less clicks with that UI | 21:41 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Suggest change "TV out on" to "Clone display to TV" | 21:41 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: The "on" is implicit in the [ ] | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | done | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | btw | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: indeed, this ofono cbsms spec looks good | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | the save button is in the correct position now, it looks stupid in the screenshot | 21:43 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: nice :) only needs a horizontal scale for zoom factor | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | thp, yeah, and signals connected | 21:45 |
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| MohammadAG | need to learn about wrapping C in C++ :) | 21:45 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: read the wikipedia article | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | hehe | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | which one? | 21:46 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrapper_function and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrapper_library | 21:47 |
| * alterego wonders what "rat" means. | 21:47 | |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: they are more generic than you need, but they should give you the idea | 21:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: I can also show you an example one | 21:47 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: this might be interesting for you to: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/matd | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, mafw's an example no? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wrap C in C++? sounds like wrapping beef in steaks | 21:49 |
| Appiah | yummy | 21:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: the mafw wrapper code in the media player is actually not very nic | 21:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | e | 21:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer51: I like your metaphors | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | don't we all | 21:51 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, Jaffa http://i53.tinypic.com/15yiygy.jpg | 21:53 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Cool. I think "zoom factor" has "factor" superfluously. What does "2" mean? Double? | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | think so, I actually never used the app, just helping out :P | 22:01 |
| Jaffa | :) | 22:01 |
| lardman|afk | should convert to a percentage and get rid of factor | 22:01 |
| * lardman|afk heads back out :) | 22:01 | |
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| thp | MohammadAG: great :) | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | YUCK @brief MCE backlight control AT+CBKLT | 22:12 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:12 |
| javispedro | heh | 22:20 |
| javispedro | so the guys behind the audio policies actually wanted to do a fmrx app that used the analog bypass | 22:21 |
| javispedro | i guess they also ran out of time. | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | why? | 22:21 |
| javispedro | the "fmrx" source enables the bypass | 22:21 |
| javispedro | in pulse | 22:21 |
| javispedro | but without actually using pulse. | 22:21 |
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| javispedro | it also forces output to headphones | 22:24 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: so what do you think about puzzle master? :) | 22:40 |
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| Jaffa | Venemo_N900: Not tried it yet - features and screenshots look shiny :-) | 22:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: give it 5 minutes | 22:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: if you're hesitating, ask MohammadAG or alterego if it's worth it :P | 22:41 |
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| Jaffa | Venemo_N900: I'm sure it's worth it; I'm just trying to get to bed ;-) | 22:45 |
| Jaffa | Venemo_N900: Will install it and play with it on way to work (since I also have to enable extras-devel) | 22:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: oh, sorry :P | 22:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: you could dl the deb directly if you prefer to avoid devel | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | Venemo_N900: No, happy to install individual apps from there; I just don't keep it on all the time. | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | Venemo_N900: If it's ready enough for some users; push it to -testing, perhaps. | 22:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: ok. I don't keep extras and testing on. :P | 22:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: wanted to, but I'd like to release a bugfix release first | 22:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: but my laptop is at repair atm, so I can't | 22:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: I don't want the buggy version to go to testing | 22:49 |
| Jaffa | Fair enough | 22:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: not many bugs (noone noticed), but still. | 22:51 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, it's worth it :P | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | Whatever happened to the RX-71? | 22:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: either that is the unreleased harmattan device, or the unreleased fremantle device (rumoured N920) | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | it's fremantle, I'm sure | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | but why was it dropped | 22:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: because nokia management is nuts | 22:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: maybe it also had something to do with announcing MeeGo, or the recent firing of a few thousand people | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | but it was there since N8x0 times afaik | 22:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: then maybe it was some prototype never intended to the public? who knows | 22:57 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: there was also a cancelled Maemo device between 770 and N800 afaik | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:58 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: It's not inconceivable it's a dev board. | 23:00 |
| RST38h | RX-71 is a dev board, afaik | 23:01 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames will tell you something | 23:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: see the "Hardware" section | 23:03 |
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| jacekowski | does 0x01a0 mean anything to anybody | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | or 416 in decimal | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | or 0x48 | 23:41 |
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| chx | The Spectrum 48 was a truly amazing machine. (/me is always helpful) | 23:43 |
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| Robotnixon | Is there any chance that BBM can be ported to the n900?? | 23:58 |
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| Robotnixon | or atleast the whatsapp??? | 23:58 |
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