| Firzen|2 | woglinde: sorry sure i can | 00:00 |
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| woglinde | and if they didnt got installed | 00:01 |
| woglinde | for what ever reason the error later is explained | 00:02 |
| Firzen|2 | woglinde: creating tree of dependencies .. reading state informations .. scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc is already up to date (all packages on this lines are up to date) | 00:02 |
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| woglinde | ah okay | 00:02 |
| woglinde | try a clean install | 00:02 |
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| woglinde | read Un-installation | 00:03 |
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| woglinde | on the same side | 00:03 |
| woglinde | and try again after doing the steps there | 00:03 |
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| Firzen|2 | woglinde: for this reason.. | 00:03 |
| Firzen|2 | E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc' is not executable. | 00:03 |
| Firzen|2 | E: Something went wrong with the install. Sorry. | 00:03 |
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| woglinde | yes | 00:03 |
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| woglinde | it some thinks scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc is already installed | 00:04 |
| woglinde | +how | 00:04 |
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| woglinde | same for ratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 and scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 which contains the cross-compilers | 00:04 |
| Firzen|2 | woglinde: hmm and what you want to know abou these packages? | 00:05 |
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| woglinde | deinstall them | 00:07 |
| woglinde | read what I suggested | 00:07 |
| woglinde | its on the same page | 00:07 |
| Firzen|2 | woglinde: ok | 00:07 |
| Firzen|2 | woglinde: wow 1368MiB will be freed :D | 00:08 |
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| mikki-kun | Firzen|2: once i did a cleanup of a windows-machine... that was 10GB... | 00:08 |
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| sivang2 | DocScrutinizer51: hello | 00:37 |
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| Firzen|2 | woglinde: omg installation of scratchbox was successful! | 00:43 |
| woglinde | lol | 00:44 |
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| Firzen|2 | woglinde: BUT.. :D | 00:45 |
| mikki-kun | hm, does here anybody know if the ipv6 utilized of the n900 is a "secure ip" which get's randomly generated? | 00:45 |
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| Firzen|2 | You now have Scratchbox 1.0.14 'apophis' release installed. | 00:45 |
| Firzen|2 | 00:45 | |
| Firzen|2 | Scratchbox cannot be run as user root. Instead, use your normal login | 00:45 |
| Firzen|2 | user account. Add additional scratchbox users and sandboxes by running | 00:45 |
| Firzen|2 | the installer again (outside scratchbox with root permissions): | 00:45 |
| Firzen|2 | 00:45 | |
| Firzen|2 | # sh maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh -u USER | 00:45 |
| Firzen|2 | woglinde: I don't understand these instructions | 00:45 |
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| Firzen|2 | woglinde: so was installation successful or not? :D and what I should do? run it under root or not?? | 00:46 |
| perolsen | mikki-kun: You mean the "fe80" link-local address? | 00:47 |
| sid_on | are you root? you have to /scratchbox/login as user | 00:47 |
| mikki-kun | inet6 addr shown in ifconfig wlan0 | 00:48 |
| woglinde | firzen logout and in | 00:48 |
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| woglinde | and use /scratchbox/login | 00:48 |
| woglinde | than you should be in the fremantle_arm target | 00:48 |
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| perolsen | mikki-kun: I guess the answer lies inside the linux kernel source code | 00:48 |
| Firzen|2 | woglinde: so I now have to relog? | 00:48 |
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| mikki-kun | but no, doesn't seem so :( | 00:49 |
| perolsen | http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.37/net/ipv6/addrconf.c | 00:49 |
| sid_on | Firzen|2: logout; login; so group changes takes affect | 00:49 |
| Firzen|2 | sid_on: ok | 00:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sivang: hi! | 00:53 |
| mikki-kun | perolsen: do you maybe have that in short? :) x) 4k lines is a bit huge | 00:53 |
| Firzen | ok, i am logged in scratchbox | 00:53 |
| perolsen | mikki-kun: CONFIG_IPV6_PRIVACY seems like the right option | 00:53 |
| perolsen | http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/IPV6_PRIVACY.html | 00:53 |
| perolsen | echo 2 >/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr | 00:53 |
| woglinde | firzen than you are done | 00:53 |
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| mikki-kun | LAWL XD i just ended by by randomly scrolling Ö.ö | 00:53 |
| woglinde | firzen if you dont need debhelper7 | 00:53 |
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| mikki-kun | thanks perolsen :) | 00:54 |
| perolsen | 0 problemos | 00:54 |
| Firzen | woglinde: no I am not i think :D I don't know how to correctly set target in sb1 .. i executed sb-menu and now i am lost :D | 00:54 |
| mikki-kun | i think there was a way to add that to the starter scripts... | 00:55 |
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| woglinde | firzen normaly you dont need sb-menu | 00:55 |
| mikki-kun | was it into rcS.d or rc6.d in etc? | 00:55 |
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| sid_on | Firzen: did you install sdk? | 00:56 |
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| Firzen | sid_on: no | 00:56 |
| woglinde | sid_on he did | 00:56 |
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| Firzen | no i just only installed sb1 | 00:56 |
| woglinde | firzen ah okay | 00:57 |
| woglinde | than run the other script | 00:57 |
| Firzen | woglinde: yy | 00:58 |
| Firzen | woglinde: and it is here :D | 00:58 |
| Firzen | .... | 00:58 |
| Firzen | ... | 00:58 |
| Firzen | 00:58 | |
| Firzen | Setting DISPLAY... | 00:58 |
| Firzen | Setting installation environment... | 00:58 |
| Firzen | Added debconf frontend setting in scratchbox. | 00:58 |
| Firzen | 00:58 | |
| Firzen | 00:58 | |
| Firzen | Error opening terminal: xterm. | 00:58 |
| woglinde | *sigh* | 00:59 |
| woglinde | read the wiki | 00:59 |
| woglinde | its mentioned there | 00:59 |
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| Firzen | woglinde: wow thx it works | 01:00 |
| woglinde | o.O | 01:01 |
| Firzen | :D | 01:01 |
| woglinde | send me some czech beer | 01:01 |
| Firzen | woglinde: :D I should | 01:01 |
| hardaker | Ok, I give up. How do you put a screenshot into the extras package for something? | 01:01 |
| woglinde | hardaker what? | 01:02 |
| Firzen | woglinde: in our city we have own brewery | 01:02 |
| hardaker | well, when a package gets to extras it appears in the, um, extras downloads on the maemo web page. | 01:02 |
| hardaker | somewhere there is a way to set the "screenshot" part of it. | 01:02 |
| hardaker | but I don't know where. | 01:02 |
| woglinde | hardaker you mean http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Maemo-specific_fields? | 01:02 |
| hardaker | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/lookup/ | 01:02 |
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| woglinde | who is using that rather than the build in package manager? | 01:03 |
| hardaker | (not the icon) | 01:03 |
| hardaker | so no, the above web page only lists package fields for icons, etc. | 01:03 |
| hardaker | it doesn't list a screenshot (where the "?" picture is in the lookup example above) | 01:04 |
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| BluesLee | ping MohammadAG | 01:11 |
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| MohammadAG | BluesLee, pong | 01:31 |
| Firzen | woglinde: are you still here? :-) | 01:32 |
| woglinde | yes | 01:33 |
| Firzen | woglinde: :-) i have problem :D | 01:33 |
| Firzen | woglinde: I added deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries into /etc/apt/sources.list in sb1 | 01:34 |
| Firzen | and.. | 01:35 |
| Firzen | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get update | 01:35 |
| Firzen | E: Malformed line 5 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist) | 01:35 |
| Firzen | 01:35 | |
| Firzen | woglinde: i don't see any mistake on my progress | 01:35 |
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| MrBawb | yay, got bluetooth pan networking working. It sets up sharing the 3g connection automatically | 01:36 |
| Firzen | woglinde: here is my sources.list in sb: http://pastebin.com/EhbYsch0 | 01:37 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: hi there :) do you maybe have somewhere in your .debs a deb floating around which has the modified hildon desktop, indluding the taskswitcher-thingy? :) | 01:37 |
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| mikki-kun | i was looking at the files you had online bud couldn't see from the name which one was the correct one :/ | 01:37 |
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| MohammadAG | taskswitcher thingy? | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/hildon-desktop_matan_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | all mhds have it | 01:42 |
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| woglinde | Firzen dont post your binary token | 01:45 |
| woglinde | next time | 01:45 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, otherwise people who don't have n900s can go steal the nokia proprietary firmware | 01:48 |
| ieatlint | which is a travesty | 01:48 |
| Firzen | woglinde: ok | 01:49 |
| Firzen | woglinde: and yes i installed SDK | 01:49 |
| alterego | And, though unlikely, it might be possible to find out your IMEI :P | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | And there are known exploits that given only the IMEI, can steal your soul. | 01:50 |
| ieatlint | yes, with your IMEI, we could hack into your mobile carrier and track you | 01:50 |
| alterego | Exactly. | 01:50 |
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| ieatlint | i need to write an application that just runs this and sends me the number http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_IMSI | 01:51 |
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| sid_on | hmmm i think i am supid; can someone please look at this bash script | 01:53 |
| sid_on | http://pastebin.com/HKfq0e4Q | 01:53 |
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| woglinde | sid_on while TRUE should work too | 01:54 |
| woglinde | sleep 1 s? | 01:54 |
| woglinde | sleep 1 | 01:54 |
| woglinde | you should use | 01:54 |
| sid_on | :-) ok; but i am to silly to write a "if" :-) | 01:54 |
| MrBawb | sid_on: line 9, "<" needs to be "-lt" | 01:55 |
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| GAN900 | I love iOS's security. | 01:55 |
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| GAN900 | Random password prompts with no indications as to what you're authorizing. | 01:56 |
| sid_on | MrBawb: same result | 01:56 |
| sid_on | MrBawb; no; ./loop.sh: line 9: [[0: command not found | 01:56 |
| MrBawb | if [ "$i" -lt "10" ] | 01:57 |
| MrBawb | mind the spaces | 01:57 |
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| sid_on | MrBawb: big thanks | 01:58 |
| sid_on | if it is final it should govern backlight automatically | 02:00 |
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| sid_on | when i run it once 10sec; will it consume much power? | 02:00 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: thanks :) (sorry, i was just correcting some maths for a friend of mine - and my internet died as you might have noticed) | 02:00 |
| sid_on | *electrical | 02:01 |
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| JZA | hi today I recieved a Maemo 5 notification update, which seems new | 02:03 |
| JZA | it now has a description that I can download it over wlan | 02:03 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, got that QTimeLine patch you sent me once? | 02:04 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: nope :P | 02:05 |
| JZA | ok this is a bit confusing | 02:05 |
| JZA | the description of the package says: "Download now via WLAN to get the latest Maemo 5 fixes, better support for apps... " | 02:05 |
| JZA | but when I select it it ask me to connect to the computer via USB | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, naw | 02:06 |
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| JZA | now, I use linux and have had issues updating the n900 with the RX..bin package for some reason. | 02:06 |
| alterego | I'm not even sure what I was patching :) | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, wouldn't Qt Animation Framework be better? | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | lol the mediabar | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | I recall you had it under some research directory | 02:06 |
| alterego | QTimeLine is part of the Qt Animation framework. | 02:06 |
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| MohammadAG | oh? | 02:06 |
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| alterego | And I used it because QPropertyAnimation didn't work. | 02:07 |
| alterego | fwir | 02:07 |
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| MohammadAG | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/research/mohammediabar/ <-- 404 lol | 02:07 |
| alterego | You're going to hate me .. | 02:07 |
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| alterego | I deleted that literally a couple of hour ago .. | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | I hate you | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 02:07 |
| alterego | :) | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | do you recall the extension? | 02:08 |
| alterego | For what? | 02:08 |
| alterego | .cpp ? :P | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | the patch | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | oh it was a .cpp? | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | crap, thought it was a .patch | 02:08 |
| alterego | Yeah, I didn't do a .patch | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | <3 my lazy ways | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/home/user/MyDocs/.documents# ls *.cpp | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | widget.cpp | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~spank MohammadAG - just because | 02:09 |
| * infobot bends MohammadAG - just because over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on MohammadAG - just because's pasty white buttocks. | 02:09 | |
| MohammadAG | yep, that's the one | 02:10 |
| JZA | can I get any support on how to update my N900? | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, ty :P | 02:10 |
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| MohammadAG | click on the update, click update | 02:10 |
| JZA | or is this a developer channel and I should ask somewhere else? | 02:10 |
| alterego | Heh | 02:10 |
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| alterego | JZA: how do yo uwant to update? flashing or OTA? | 02:12 |
| JZA | alterego: well I thought I could get OTA now. Flashing doesn't seem to work with mandriva. | 02:12 |
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| jonwil | Can anyone tell me how to | 02:16 |
| jonwil | oops | 02:16 |
| jonwil | wrong window | 02:16 |
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| JZA | alterego: any recomendation? | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing should work with most if not all linux boxes | 02:18 |
| alterego | JZA: if it's not working on Mandriva you're doing something wrong. | 02:19 |
| alterego | What error are you getting? | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | getting OTA to work usually is feasible as well | 02:19 |
| alterego | And have you backed everything up and prepared to reflash your phone? | 02:19 |
| JZA | alterego: yes, basically is a usb message | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | JZA: and no, this isn't a devel channel. Questions about updating perfectly fine here | 02:20 |
| alterego | JZA: are you running as root? | 02:20 |
| JZA | when I restart with the 'o' button and wait it to become idle, the message shows still waiting ont he device. | 02:20 |
| JZA | alterego: yeah | 02:20 |
| alterego | You don't need to restart with 'o' | 02:20 |
| alterego | Turn off your device. | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | JZA: you know: | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 02:21 |
| infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 02:21 |
| alterego | Make sure it's not plugged in, start flasher, then (phone switched off) plug it in to the usb, and wait. | 02:21 |
| JZA | alterego: I did | 02:21 |
| JZA | it just charge | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | JZA: check "troubleshooting" in obove URL | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | avove* | 02:22 |
| JZA | I did | 02:22 |
| JZA | thats why I am asking for OTA | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | you modprobe -r cdc_phonet ?` | 02:22 |
| JZA | DocScrutinizer: what you mean? | 02:22 |
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| JZA | I have no idea how to update OTA | 02:23 |
| JZA | except through the app manager | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | If you get "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy" error, make sure you run the flasher with sudo. If this does not fix the problem, as root, run "modprobe -r cdc_phonet". | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting | 02:23 |
| JZA | so how can I update OTA? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | JZA: ota is only via Hildon App Manager | 02:24 |
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| JZA | DocScrutinizer: so | 02:24 |
| JZA | what's the steps for that? | 02:25 |
| JZA | I tried the app manager but just get me a message to plug it to the PC with the Nokia Updater | 02:25 |
| JZA | but that beats the porpouse of OTA | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIRST: read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware - *completely* | 02:25 |
| alterego | And mimetpes from extensions | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | JZA: yes, that's a known issue, quite frequently | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware - *completely* | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it has links to pages how to cope with that and put OTA to work | 02:26 |
| JZA | DocScrutinizer: I dont see much info of OTA there. | 02:26 |
| JZA | ok | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, why do you call show() and hide()? | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Seamless_Software_Update | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | this->hide(); | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | this->move(this->x(), frame); | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | this->show(); | 02:27 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: probably because it's fucked with the compositor and that's all I could do to get it to work. | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | still aplies | 02:28 |
| trip0 | why are you calling 'this' all the time? is this python? | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG | no | 02:29 |
| trip0 | c++ | 02:29 |
| trip0 | ? | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | python doesn't use ; | 02:30 |
| trip0 | good point | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | or -> | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>With the brand new PR1.1 software update recently rolled out, some users experienced problems which, in most cases, led them to get a nice message from the Application Manager telling them that they would need to install the update by flashing the device with the NSU/flasher utilities (a clear symptom of this is that you get to a dialog with a "Create backup" button only, but not a "Continue" button at all). | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | if I'm not mistaken | 02:30 |
| alterego | trip0: python also commonly uses "self" not "this" .. | 02:30 |
| trip0 | oh yeah | 02:30 |
| trip0 | heh | 02:30 |
| alterego | Python can use ';' though | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I hate you :P | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | JZA: you got this ^^^ ? | 02:31 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: why? | 02:31 |
| alterego | What did I do now? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the links and quotes) | 02:31 |
| MohammadAG | you pointed out that I'm wrong :P | 02:31 |
| alterego | :) | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're always wrong, no? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, look where you're living | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | nm j/k | 02:32 |
| JZA | DocScrutinizer: yeah is something like that | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | Oi, watch it, you and Israel had some war :P | 02:32 |
| alterego | So, anyone know how I get the mimetype and icon info for a file? | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | might have been hitler's times, but still | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | file? | 02:33 |
| alterego | Bonus points if you can tell me how to get an images thumbnail from tracker. | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | and why mimetypes? | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | there's QDesktopServices if you want to open something | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: when Hitler was alive, there's been no such thing like Israel | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | there were jews though | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | naw | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not call THAT a war | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | I was wrong | 02:34 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: well, I still need icons .. | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, scan tracker? | 02:34 |
| JZA | ok is late, and it seems that there is no easy way out. I'll try it tomorrow. | 02:35 |
| alterego | I'll deal with tracker later | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | then call the app yo dawg, bonus points if you figure out why | 02:35 |
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| alterego | For now I just want file type icons | 02:35 |
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| alterego | Or I stick with Qt defaults: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/scratch/Screenshot-20110114-200009.png | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, libtrackerclient0-dev | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | eww | 02:36 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: not interested in tracker at the moment. | 02:36 |
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| alterego | I don't need tracker to get icons for filetypes .. | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | at least use the hillon icons! | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | hildon* | 02:36 |
| alterego | That's what I'm trying to fucking do! | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | oh btw | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | filebox does it | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | I think | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: Stereo MCs (?) "tell that pile a shit I'll deal with him later" | 02:36 |
| alterego | Is filebox Qt? | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | in fact, I'd pretty much prefer you wrap that into your app | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | it has delegates and all that stuff done for you | 02:37 |
| alterego | I don't care what you'd prefer :P | 02:37 |
| * MohammadAG takes out his knife | 02:37 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, don't make me google "The Pub" | 02:37 |
| alterego | Heh | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | and yeah, filebox shows a debian icon for deb files | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | .JPG for jpgs etc | 02:38 |
| alterego | -_- | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: thanks for the shugar cubes :-D | 02:38 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, http://i55.tinypic.com/1hwnk8.jpg | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | heard that's some magic with mimetypes ;-P | 02:40 |
| * MohammadAG tests | 02:41 | |
| alterego | That would be great, if I was implementing a filemanager .. | 02:41 |
| alterego | Not to mention his delegate is ugly as shit. | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 02:41 |
| alterego | His source is disgusting too. | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | didn't see the source :P | 02:42 |
| alterego | why is he distributing ui_* sourcefiles -_- | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | except for the share dialog | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | fail make clean :P | 02:42 |
| alterego | And fail at packaging. | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | I find qmake; make distclean the best cleaner | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | rotfl - exactly what my boss told me about my first concoction | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | someone's cranky tonight :P | 02:43 |
| alterego | He has a config file which maps extensions to icon names | 02:43 |
| alterego | Then he ships his own icons. | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEEEE?? | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol, no way | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | no | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 02:43 |
| alterego | Yup | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, lies, those are ubuntu's! | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 02:43 |
| * MohammadAG recognizes humanity theme | 02:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego always a bit more grumpy than me | 02:43 |
| alterego | He also has a config file for special directories. | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | always? lol | 02:44 |
| alterego | :) | 02:44 |
| woglinde | hm no squeeze for sb2 I guess | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | well, if it makes you feel better | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | I don't hate you anymore | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | sb2 is meh, legacy ftw! | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | screambox? | 02:45 |
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| woglinde | tse tse | 02:45 |
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| woglinde | go compile navit for yourself | 02:46 |
| woglinde | hm I could update the chroot | 02:46 |
| woglinde | haha | 02:46 |
| woglinde | sb2 2.2 was released 31.12 | 02:47 |
| javispedro | woglinde: sb2 should be fully capable of using your host's tools | 02:47 |
| alterego | God, and he's using globals .. | 02:47 |
| alterego | Loads of globals .. | 02:47 |
| woglinde | and is not using qml | 02:48 |
| woglinde | thats hardest | 02:48 |
| alterego | O_o | 02:48 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, I like the looks of QML | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | (in cuteTube) | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | he has some coverflow-like search results | 02:49 |
| alterego | m'hm | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I like the look of pauley perette | 02:49 |
| alterego | So I say, "Use QML, it can do what you want really easily" and you say "It's too webby 2.0 for meee" | 02:49 |
| piggz | whats your guys dev environment.....im using a virual machine running scratchbox...and transferring files via git, and wondering if its optimal ;) | 02:50 |
| alterego | But you see some shiny example, and now you like QML .. | 02:50 |
| alterego | Typical .. | 02:50 |
| alterego | piggz: not with git :P | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you didn't see what I said :P | 02:50 |
| alterego | I transfer files with scp | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | I like the looks of it, not the code :P | 02:50 |
| woglinde | transferring via git? | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | except this one - OMG :-o http://www.thenewtattoos.com/celeb/pauleyp6.jpg | 02:50 |
| woglinde | wtf | 02:50 |
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| piggz | alterego: i was using sftp, but it became a pita when i needed to commit, trying to keep both machines in sync :) | 02:51 |
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| woglinde | ? | 02:51 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: do you know how Maemo handles filetypes? | 02:51 |
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| jonwil | Is there a way that I can copy the files (i.e. /bin, /lib etc) from my N900 so I have a backup of the current contents on the N900 in case I screw something up messing with it? | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: alas not, otherwise I'd have dropped you a note | 02:52 |
| alterego | I thought it had something to do with gconf .. | 02:52 |
| woglinde | jonwil? | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, .desktop files afaik | 02:52 |
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| MohammadAG | I had a play with them and xarchiver | 02:52 |
| woglinde | jonwil maemo5 is not android | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | that's for opening files actually, nevermind | 02:52 |
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| jonwil | I know that | 02:53 |
| alterego | Actually, that's for hildon-desktop to associate filetypes and apps | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, ping mece when he's on | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: look into backup-menu V2 | 02:53 |
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| MohammadAG | it's related to lib-fm or whatever | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | also learn to SFTP | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | ii libhildonfm2 1:2.28.21+0m5 Hildon file management libraries. | 02:54 |
| alterego | Lame, I'm not going that deep. | 02:54 |
| alterego | Well, actually I might. | 02:54 |
| javispedro | "filetypes"? | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | you will, muhahaha | 02:54 |
| javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/MIME_type_mapping | 02:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer mumbles "URL handlers? NAH!" | 02:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro to the rescue \o/ | 02:55 |
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| woglinde | doc? the developer is a must for every developer | 02:56 |
| woglinde | ups + guide | 02:56 |
| javispedro | more like, the old developer guide to the rescue (the new one being a PDF in FN that noone downloaded...) | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I know. But I dunno that particular branch of wiki in all gory detail :-) | 02:56 |
| alterego | To be honest, that's no help. | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | hooray for pdf docs :-S | 02:57 |
| alterego | And I already read it :P | 02:57 |
| woglinde | read it again | 02:57 |
| alterego | Why? | 02:57 |
| woglinde | to be sure | 02:58 |
| alterego | I'll pass thanks. | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: ?? >>When the hildon_mime_open_* API is called with a URI, GnomeVFS is used to get the MIME type | 02:59 |
| javispedro | what do you want to do? | 02:59 |
| woglinde | urgs gnomevfs | 02:59 |
| woglinde | that should die | 02:59 |
| alterego | I want to get an hildon theme icon for a filetype | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: he wants to determine which icon to use for a file | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | woglinde: ""read it again"" ;-D | 03:00 |
| javispedro | then he wants this: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/libhildonmime/libhildonmime/hildon-mime.h | 03:00 |
| javispedro | (or /usr/include/hildon-mime.h iirc) | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro for president - ooops you are, aren't you? | 03:01 |
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| alterego | Woof | 03:01 |
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| alterego | I can't be bothered to write a gnomevfs Qt wrapper :/ | 03:01 |
| alterego | And then add bs hildon fm support :/ | 03:01 |
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| * alterego contemplates the hackish way. | 03:01 | |
| * DocScrutinizer kicks alterego | 03:01 | |
| woglinde | lol | 03:01 |
| alterego | MeeGo is EOL ffs | 03:01 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no, for some reason I kept the cloak... | 03:02 |
| woglinde | thats the donkey-way | 03:02 |
| alterego | No one is going to care if I don't do it the "proper" way. | 03:02 |
| alterego | filebox guy did it an ass retarded way. | 03:02 |
| woglinde | I will hate you | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | chan is fun today | 03:03 |
| woglinde | its friday | 03:03 |
| alterego | tbh, I would do it the proper, nice, decent way, if I thought it'd be useful for anyone else in the future. But it realy isn't .. | 03:03 |
| woglinde | in some parts of the earth | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah FRIIIDAY | 03:03 |
| alterego | Saturday for me now .. | 03:03 |
| alterego | Just realised it's 1am | 03:03 |
| * javispedro know wants to know which binary is touching the alsa mixer when the headphones are plugged in | 03:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer | 2011-01-15 02:03 | 03:03 |
| javispedro | *now wants to know. | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, could be the volume status menu | 03:04 |
| woglinde | strace it? | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | that thing is a sneaky bastard | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | it does lots of things | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: believe me you don't want to know :-P | 03:04 |
| alterego | I thought it was mce .. | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 03:05 |
| jonwil | sounds like there are a few "sneaky bastards" on the N900, most of which are closed source... | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: :nod: | 03:05 |
| javispedro | na, doesn't seem to be volume_status_menu_item.so | 03:05 |
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| alterego | jonwil: well, would you rather a shit tonne of sneaky little bastards? | 03:05 |
| javispedro | it's also 24KiB only | 03:05 |
| alterego | Over a few slightly larger sneaky bastards. | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: you sneaky bastard | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you're aware bme is a PA plugin? | 03:07 |
| nox- | is cutetube supposed to be currently working | 03:07 |
| nox- | ? | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lsof|grep bme X-P | 03:07 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I think that's for battery warning ;) | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | nox-, supposedly, it got too bloated so I stopped using it | 03:08 |
| alterego | Not anything too serious | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: prolly | 03:08 |
| nox- | hmmk i clicked on play and now its busy for a few minutes already... | 03:08 |
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| javispedro | aaah -- alsaped probably | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:08 |
| nox- | (without playing anything yet) | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I always wondered why it's ALSAped, not PAped | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | lmao I fucked something up | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | now the mediabar goes like swoosh from right to left | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: damn, you *must* have a lot of them (a*'s) | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now for the sugarcubes (let's see what N900 thinks this is, when plugged to the AV) | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | mmph, headphone. Well what else | 03:12 |
| javispedro | alsaped is currently on #maemo (10h 51m) | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | headset actually | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: o.O ?!? | 03:13 |
| javispedro | old joke: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-devel-irclog/%23maemo-devel.2010-09-18.log.html#t2010-09-18T19:24:39 | 03:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer curses and once again swaps # and %23 | 03:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: FIX THAT!! | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | (yeah I know it's basically a bug somewhere in KDE/konqui) | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | or even Kontact | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | err Konversation | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen MNZ | 03:16 |
| * MohammadAG wants mono music through the earpiece | 03:16 | |
| MohammadAG | who's kind enough to do that? | 03:16 |
| infobot | mnz <~mnzaki@41.233.159.57> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 101d 5h 44m 18s ago, saying: 'I'm not sure which parts are closed'. | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | wow, it's been 101d | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | :'( | 03:16 |
| javispedro | well, real life calls sometimes | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder how large you 3 month call's bill was | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG | you were gone the whole summer :P | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I don't pay when I get called. I never call RL | 03:17 |
| javispedro | basically alsaped is now made redundant as the pulseaudio monster gained that functionality | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, call blocker? | 03:18 |
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| MohammadAG | ah | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | xP | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nope, here inbound calls are free | 03:18 |
| alterego | Meh, I think I'll just leave default qt icons for now | 03:19 |
| alterego | See how it looks on MeeGo | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I'm feeling sick even without doing that | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo doesn't style Qt apps :P | 03:19 |
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| MohammadAG | in displays them in that old Gtk style, the one that looks like a brownish win 95 | 03:20 |
| alterego | You mean, Qt doesn't yet style for MeeGo :P | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo should provide themes | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | regardless of what I mean, it'll look crappy :P | 03:21 |
| alterego | You obviously don't understand how these things work | 03:21 |
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| alterego | Qt needs a style engine for MeeGo, so it can look and feel like MTF apps. | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | QGtkStyle provides a theme, widgets get painted, largely simplified :P | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | (Maemo) | 03:21 |
| alterego | MeeGo isn't Gtk | 03:21 |
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| MohammadAG | I know | 03:21 |
| alterego | Right then, shuddup :P | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo Touch Framework's meh :p | 03:22 |
| * MohammadAG puts alterego to bed | 03:22 | |
| alterego | What has this got to do with MTF? | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | You brought it up, I felt like complaining :) | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | to me it seems MeEgo is trying to mimick whyPhone/Andridiot (and can't decide which one), while they don't realize that's a lost race and they always are the miserable 2nd at best. I'd love to learn they got the catch and create something *unique* more like a good desktop downsized and made fingerfriendly, rather than copying shit parts from those luser OS's | 03:22 |
| alterego | It's just the theme that we're talking about, and which Qt is lacking engines for. | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, if you can't decide, mimic both | 03:23 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: good thing about Meego is, we can do that ourselves. | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | that seems to be what meego is after | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | and so can every company | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | = shitload of UIs | 03:23 |
| alterego | One we have a stable, fully working base. We can build our own UXs | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | same as android with sense/stock/whatever | 03:23 |
| alterego | Give a shit | 03:23 |
| alterego | Who cares what other people are doing? | 03:23 |
| alterego | Except to maybe get ideas and inspiration .. | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> = shitload of UIs | 03:24 |
| alterego | That's not true though | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | hopefully | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: and - especially - learn how to do it - NOT | 03:24 |
| alterego | A company has to maintain a certain amount of stack and functionality to be called "MeeGo" otherwise it has to be called something else. | 03:24 |
| alterego | MeeGo is about keeping coherency, something that even Android is losing. | 03:24 |
| alterego | Anyway, if you're unhappy with the UX, do it better. | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd be happy to find I can have a non-MickeyMouse "desktop" on meego, and nevertheless Nokia closed source dialer will work | 03:26 |
| alterego | It's not a closed source dialer .. | 03:26 |
| alterego | Everything is open in MeeGo (well, except the obvious sgx, bme, gps ...) | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's no dialer at all so far | 03:26 |
| javispedro | :) | 03:26 |
| alterego | Yes there is | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | dialer works DocScrutinizer | 03:26 |
| alterego | I can make phone calls using MeeGo .. | 03:27 |
| MohammadAG | it even rings | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG | 03:27 |
| MohammadAG | and makes private calls public due to missing audio routing | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's still hope then | 03:27 |
| alterego | You can even talk. Though policies are not finished so only through loud speaker. | 03:27 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: sorry to kill your hope but we don't know what dialer Nokia will ship. | 03:27 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, Nokia won't ship any - at least for the N900 | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much :-P | 03:27 |
| alterego | I don't give a crap what Nokia ship as long as I can have an open MeeGo on my devices. | 03:28 |
| * javispedro sighs | 03:28 | |
| javispedro | I know this music. | 03:28 |
| woglinde | haha good I can fake the sb2 catalouge | 03:28 |
| woglinde | or corrrect | 03:28 |
| jonwil | Whats happening to the telephony libraries in MeeGo? I know in Maemo5 all the telephony and comms libraries (including modem control, routing data to 3G etc) are nokia closed binaries. | 03:28 |
| MohammadAG | ofono | 03:29 |
| bef0rd | ofono | 03:29 |
| woglinde | meegoo uses ofono | 03:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer fires up recorder to get the music recorded on the mag strip of his credit card | 03:29 | |
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| * MohammadAG wants slide to answer in MeeGo dialer | 03:29 | |
| MohammadAG | actually I recall I started experimenting on that, but failed to build due to missing libmeegotouch-dev | 03:30 |
| alterego | What's so great about slide to answer? | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | you don't answer without sliding a slider | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | slightly better on resistive screens | 03:30 |
| jonwil | How is ofono going to work on N900 if Nokia didnt document any of the low level stuff (i.e. how the closed userspace libraries talk to the closed cell radio)? | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | better usability | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | but of course, you don't give a crap since the next device is capacitive right? :P | 03:31 |
| jonwil | Or has that been sorted for MeeGo somehow? | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | jonwil, it works with nitdroid and meego, nothing special | 03:31 |
| bef0rd | nokia people is working on that I believe | 03:31 |
| alterego | jonwil: ofono has a driver to talk to the cellmo | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: there's some docs about err phonet? | 03:31 |
| alterego | It's a standard Nokia cellmo | 03:31 |
| alterego | And phonet is quite well known. | 03:31 |
| alterego | It was probably the first ofono driver | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | (where the FSCK is my recorder app?) | 03:32 |
| jonwil | only thing non-standard about it is that it doesn't do CBSMS even though many other nokias do : | 03:32 |
| jonwil | :( | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | tbh | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | I think the best thing to do is get some pandaboard and a 4" resistive screen, then get all the components needed and build your own phone | 03:32 |
| alterego | jonwil: you know ofono doesn't do CBSMS? | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | you'll end up with what you want | 03:33 |
| jonwil | heh :P | 03:33 |
| jonwil | sounds like there are no closed-source bits that will prevent MeeGo running on the N900 then | 03:33 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: if you want something the size of a house sure :P | 03:33 |
| jonwil | as in all the bits that are closed will also work with MeeGo | 03:33 |
| MohammadAG | Thread of the year! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68346 | 03:33 |
| alterego | jonwil: what? | 03:33 |
| alterego | jonwil: everything already works with meego | 03:33 |
| alterego | except gps, but that's being worked on. | 03:33 |
| jonwil | ok, thats great | 03:33 |
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| * MohammadAG replies | 03:34 | |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: guy is a known troll | 03:34 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: and I don't mean that javispedro guy. | 03:35 |
| alterego | The N900 will have a fully working MeeGo before a vendor MeeGo handset comes out, imo | 03:35 |
| alterego | He's trololling .. | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | are the repos down once again? | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, trust me, I know http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=918647&postcount=4 | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | what if Nokia releases the N9 two days after announcing it? | 03:36 |
| alterego | He's like a more annoying, younger abill_uk ^.^ | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, abill_uk is an engineer, please respect him cause he said he's one | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | (what happened to that guy?) | 03:36 |
| javispedro | a trash management engineer. | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, still an engineer! :p | 03:37 |
| alterego | He sort of disapeared, though I noticed he posted something not so long ago. | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG | there was some other troll | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG | forgot his name | 03:37 |
| alterego | He seems to have just given up and decided to get on with his life ;) | 03:37 |
| alterego | He was convinced I was stalking him at some point. | 03:37 |
| * MohammadAG googles for abill_uk android forums | 03:37 | |
| MohammadAG | weren't you? | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG | you can admit it, the channel isn't logged - much | 03:38 |
| javispedro | don't worry, I'll fix his Fringe application or whatever it's called. | 03:39 |
| javispedro | where's that mtd thrashing .deb package... | 03:39 |
| MohammadAG | I think it's closed source | 03:39 |
| MohammadAG | LMFAO | 03:39 |
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| MohammadAG | wouldn't one rm -rf \* in postinst do? | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | (s///\/ intended) | 03:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF fring. Thought that's called skype | 03:44 |
| jeckell | I would like to use Yahoo Messenger and enable the webcam on my Nokia N900. is there a program that will allow me to do this? | 03:44 |
| woglinde | what? | 03:45 |
| sid_on | new to maemo; after "echo 1 > bl_power" display dont go "on" | 03:45 |
| sid_on | in /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm | 03:45 |
| alterego | Anyhow, bed time n'night | 03:45 |
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| mikki-kun | javispedro: yahoo has not opened its sources for even audio on linux... | 03:47 |
| sid_on | ok; forget it "echo "" bl_power" solve it; bool | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | GRRRR, N900 DNS resolver fsckup | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ping nokia.com | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ping: bad address 'nokia.com' | 03:48 |
| mikki-kun | :D | 03:48 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: "echo "nameserver 8.8.4.4" >> /etc/resolv.conf" <--- should resolve the problem literally :) | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ping google.com | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ping: bad address 'google.com' | 03:49 |
| jeckell | are there any programs that allow me to take advantage of the webcam on the front of the device? | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ping ct.de | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | PING ct.de (212.34.176.172): 56 data bytes | 03:49 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: i'm here | 03:49 |
| mikki-kun | jeckell: there is "mirrir" to it to you and skype uses it on some versions and some messengers might be using it as well | 03:49 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: hey there :) | 03:49 |
| mikki-kun | jeckell: sorry, it's "mirror" | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: nope, /etc/resolv.conf is suppoesed to have localhost | 03:50 |
| jeckell | mikki-kun: does 'mirror' allow the person i'm talking to see me? | 03:50 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: nameserver 8.8.4.4 helped me in resolving some of maemos repos for some time | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 03:51 |
| mikki-kun | jeckell: uhhh, that's just a local app so you see yourself :/ | 03:51 |
| mikki-kun | and on the next reconnect it is gone | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's something fucked up in resolver lib or dnsmasq or whatever | 03:51 |
| mikki-kun | so i didn't care and was happy google helped me | 03:51 |
| jeckell | mikki-kun: you said 'some messengers' ... do you know which ones that may be? | 03:52 |
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| mikki-kun | jeckell: and here is an "ip-cam"-like setup http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam | 03:52 |
| mikki-kun | jeckell: i can't say as i'd only use ot for skype... maybe gtalk has it | 03:53 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: may i ask if you found out why it ended up not-booting? :) | 03:53 |
| jeckell | mikki-kun: thank you for your help | 03:53 |
| mikki-kun | jeckell: but beware, the quality is uhhhh, f'd up... | 03:53 |
| jeckell | mikki-kun: i'm creating horror stories using skype. my connection speed sucks, and i'm trying to talk/video to my g/f (arizona to new hampshire). i have qwest dsl and she has comcast cable. | 03:55 |
| mikki-kun | jeckell: kill the video, just use audio :) | 03:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: changed internet connection to GPRS and back to WLAN, now it works | 03:56 |
| mikki-kun | and best to use a real pc with some quality-webcam :) | 03:56 |
| jeckell | mikki-kun: we need the video. won't be with each other again until 2.10.11 | 03:56 |
| mikki-kun | lol XD but that rings a couple of bells where some people reported that might help if the dns is f'd up Ö.ö | 03:56 |
| mikki-kun | jeckell: i know what you mean... :/ | 03:57 |
| mikki-kun | sadly i know :/ | 03:57 |
| * MohammadAG grumbles | 03:57 | |
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| jeckell | mikki-kun: if i buy a pc webcam with great quality, will that matter? doesn't it all depend upon the one with the slowest connection speed? | 03:57 |
| fosstux | Hi! One question about flashing the mmc on my n900: Do I have to backup MyDocs/cities or is this content being regenerated automatically? | 03:58 |
| mikki-kun | jeckell: not only, audio-quality is way better for me on my netbook and video.. well, you can only use video if the other has the newest version of skype _and_ a webcam pluged in! | 03:58 |
| MohammadAG | you have to back it up | 03:58 |
| mikki-kun | fosstux: it will eat your data from there if you do it | 03:59 |
| fosstux | thanks | 03:59 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: not sure | 03:59 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: maybe we should both give it a try :) | 03:59 |
| jacekowski | what you can try | 04:00 |
| jacekowski | is replacing stuff at 81b0 | 04:00 |
| jacekowski | with BD E8 F0 81 | 04:00 |
| jacekowski | and flash it again | 04:00 |
| mikki-kun | ok, will try :) | 04:00 |
| jacekowski | replace that on clean binary | 04:00 |
| jacekowski | what are you using to edit it? | 04:01 |
| mikki-kun | i am using hexedit from the gentoo repositories | 04:01 |
| mikki-kun | so can i delete my old files? | 04:01 |
| jacekowski | yes | 04:02 |
| mikki-kun | good :) | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 04:02 |
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| mikki-kun | so starting @ 81b0 the next 4 bytes? | 04:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer installs recorder, finally | 04:03 | |
| mikki-kun | ok, done and then now trying the "second" of the two commands i issued yesterday :) | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, my credit card sounds nice :-) | 04:05 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi, quick question | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | noooooooo | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 04:06 |
| TiagoTiago | can you watch videos on Youtube with microB with any resolution other than 240p? | 04:06 |
| mikki-kun | TiagoTiago: tweak your browser-settings a little | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, never bothered about the resolution | 04:07 |
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| mikki-kun | afair you need to kill it's user-agent in about:config | 04:07 |
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| mikki-kun | TiagoTiago: but we have cuteTube | 04:07 |
| mikki-kun | no need anymore for flash :) | 04:07 |
| TiagoTiago | doen't changing the user agent triggers the redirect loop glitch? | 04:07 |
| TiagoTiago | but then there is no captions, no funny misheard speech2text, no comments etc | 04:08 |
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| mikki-kun | jacekowski: was "../flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=nolo -s secondary.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 -x xloader.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,210" the correct command? :) | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | who was asking for some MPC related stuff here? Just found cutempc | 04:09 |
| mikki-kun | Maemo Music Player MPC is better imo | 04:10 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: ok, it flashed now... i should unplug it, pull the battery and then just make a boot i guess :) | 04:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FFS, 3 times eSpeakTime | 04:11 |
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| mikki-kun | jacekowski: wuhu \o/ no nokia \o/ | 04:18 |
| mikki-kun | just 4 bytes ^^ | 04:18 |
| mikki-kun | just curious if you also got the vibrations away :) | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: next step of opperation: try modifying the actual picture data, rather than just "commenting ot" the loading of the picture | 04:20 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: ehhhh, if i'd have a dissassembler i might do it, but reading raw-hex values?! | 04:20 |
| mikki-kun | that is too much of an h4Xx0|2-job for me | 04:20 |
| jacekowski | get a disassembler | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the graphic data a disassembler won't help you anyway ;-) | 04:21 |
| mikki-kun | hm.. wow, there even is one for gentoo :o | 04:21 |
| mikki-kun | wow, dead link -.- | 04:21 |
| jacekowski | http://www.hex-rays.com/idapro/idadownfreeware.htm | 04:22 |
| jacekowski | it's windows version | 04:22 |
| jacekowski | but works on wine | 04:22 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: on a poor netbook? | 04:22 |
| mikki-kun | and me not having a windows key? | 04:22 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh, sorry >.> | 04:23 |
| mikki-kun | yeah, wine | 04:23 |
| mikki-kun | not a vm | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | GRRR would anybody clean up the repos? maemo_recorder0.3, recorder0.3.4, same app | 04:23 |
| jacekowski | they have linux version as well | 04:23 |
| jacekowski | but not for free | 04:23 |
| mikki-kun | like wtf? Ö.ö | 04:23 |
| jacekowski | ? | 04:23 |
| mikki-kun | do they think linux-people can read hex better than ascii? | 04:23 |
| mikki-kun | or utf-8? | 04:23 |
| javispedro | no, they think linux people will be better suited by their oss dissassemblers | 04:24 |
| jacekowski | there is nothing as good as ida | 04:24 |
| jacekowski | that's why it costs so much | 04:24 |
| jacekowski | but it's pretty much industry standard | 04:24 |
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| TiagoTiago | brb | 04:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how to forward microphone to BT headset, so scratching with credit card and sugarcube can be transfered to the stereo | 04:26 | |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: i might give it a shot in a couple of days, i might need to do some configuration before though | 04:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for messing up a picture raw data, some hexeditor is just fine | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski only needs to point you to start of data addr | 04:28 |
| jacekowski | well, format of that picture is still unknown | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't disassemble a .bmp anyway, nor any other picture format | 04:29 |
| jacekowski | it's not bmp | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why messing around with it is just fun | 04:30 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/nolo/picture1.bin | 04:30 |
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| mikki-kun | this is the picture? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | amazingly compact | 04:33 |
| jacekowski | yes | 04:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably reduced resolution, and runlength compressed | 04:33 |
| jacekowski | well | 04:34 |
| jacekowski | that's not the one | 04:34 |
| jacekowski | there are 3 pictures there | 04:34 |
| mikki-kun | Ö.ö | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, USB icon | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOKIA | 04:34 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 04:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and errrr what? | 04:34 |
| jacekowski | nope | 04:34 |
| jacekowski | that's NOKIA i linked | 04:34 |
| mikki-kun | *tries to see inbetween the matrix* | 04:34 |
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| mikki-kun | aahhhh, agent smiths! run for your lives! | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 04:35 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 04:35 |
| jacekowski | now i'm not sure what's where | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DAMN, now I rememeber the nightmare of last night: my USB receptacle came loose | 04:37 |
| mikki-kun | XD | 04:37 |
| nox- | :D | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles1 | DocScrutinizer: warranty? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | not in that dream | 04:41 |
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| BCMM | i guess that's the geek version of those teeth-falling-out dreams | 04:44 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders. | 04:46 | |
| mikki-kun | BCMM: i thought that is more of loosing ones voice | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think I've ever had those sorts of dreams. | 04:46 |
| BCMM | did you wake up with a start and feel for the USB port? | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Dreams of computer hardware being delivered, yes. | 04:46 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: which? the teeth one? it's weirdly common; nobody knows why | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles1 | BCMM: had a string of those last week. | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles1 | Unfun | 04:48 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: hm, is the "white background" as well a picture? | 04:51 |
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| kpoman | hi all | 04:55 |
| kpoman | just bought a n900, tuning it a bit. anyone has a killer app for battery life ? | 04:55 |
| kpoman | even if it downclocks the cpu or whatever ? | 04:55 |
| mikki-kun | hu? | 04:55 |
| mikki-kun | you want longer battery life? | 04:55 |
| kpoman | yep | 04:55 |
| kpoman | also want usb host mode support | 04:56 |
| * mikki-kun wants as well longer battery life :) | 04:56 | |
| kpoman | and every update available or geeky stuff :p | 04:56 |
| mikki-kun | i think jacekowski bought an insanely good one | 04:56 |
| kpoman | already got debian image, conky, etc... | 04:56 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: you will want selective updates i assume... they will eat ressources and make your boot slow and sluggish and all that stuff ;) | 04:57 |
| kpoman | mmm why would I want that ? I already installed faster app manager :p | 04:58 |
| kpoman | I want the thing fast and long battery life | 04:58 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: btw, i still get the old error regarding proximityd :/ | 04:58 |
| kpoman | and I want usb host mode support because I plan to develop biometric applications for it | 04:58 |
| mikki-kun | h-e-n is the package | 04:59 |
| kpoman | mikki-kun: to me ? | 04:59 |
| BCMM | kpoman: do you use a wireless network at home? the "killer app" is making sure power-saving is set up right on your router | 05:00 |
| kpoman | cool, found. installing | 05:00 |
| BCMM | the n900 will stay connected to the wireless, on battery, for *days* if that's working right | 05:00 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: yes | 05:01 |
| BCMM | it's often off by default, though | 05:01 |
| kpoman | BCMM: i have a dd-wrt router. what do you mean with that ? | 05:01 |
| SpeedEvil | kpoman: the AP needs to properly support wireless powersaving. | 05:02 |
| BCMM | kpoman: there is a power-saving feature supported by certain routers, and by the n900. i'm trying to remember what it's called | 05:02 |
| kpoman | SpeedEvil: do you know if ddwrt is able to do that ? | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | kpoman: this is a fairly low-level protocol the AP and the client negotiate, to save power. | 05:02 |
| kpoman | SpeedEvil: and also I do use dataplan half of the day | 05:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | kpoman: I would imagine it's totally dependant on how much it supports your hardware. | 05:02 |
| BCMM | if your router supports it, the n900 can sit idle, connected to wifi, for a very long time | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | kpoman: 3G is regrettably power-using. 2G isn't nearly as bad. | 05:03 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - 5 days or more | 05:03 |
| kpoman | I was looking at conky connexions and there are almost none of them | 05:03 |
| BCMM | is it WMM?? | 05:03 |
| mikki-kun | hm, where is the correct place to place startup scripts in maemo? | 05:03 |
| BCMM | kpoman: yeah, WMM power save | 05:03 |
| BCMM | kpoman: also, 3G data kills your battery. use 2g, or disconnect from the net when you aren't using it | 05:04 |
| mikki-kun | cause i want a command executed, but cannot recall anymore where to put those small snippets of code | 05:04 |
| BCMM | kpoman: oh, and for an actual application to save battery, simple brightness applet can turn down the screen brightness | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: The incorrect place is just to setup a queen-beecon to do it on desktop startup | 05:04 |
| BCMM | kpoman: (there is a status applet available for temporarily disabling 3g) | 05:05 |
| mikki-kun | nahhh, that sounds just wrong | 05:05 |
| mikki-kun | and i need for one of them root-support | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: yeah - wrong. But easy. | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: sudo | 05:05 |
| mikki-kun | there must be like a file to do it, right? | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes - look around /etc/rc* | 05:06 |
| mikki-kun | which one of the rc's is it? | 05:07 |
| mikki-kun | there are 7 different ones :/ | 05:07 |
| kpoman | BCMM: i already put 2g here at home where I have wifi. however, is 2g able to establish tcpip and download emails ? | 05:08 |
| mikki-kun | is it rc6.d? | 05:08 |
| kpoman | and btw, is there a better imap client for this phone ? | 05:08 |
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| BCMM | kpoman: yeah, 2G does support internet connections - it's just really slow | 05:08 |
| mikki-kun | kpoman: there will be if you write a superior one :) | 05:08 |
| BCMM | kpoman: but if, for example, you wanted it to stay online an regularly check for new emails, it'd last longer on 2g | 05:09 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: IIRC rc.6 starts up most of it | 05:09 |
| BCMM | iirc, when you're actually using it, screen brightness is a pretty big deal | 05:09 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: then /etc/X11/Xsession.post is run when X comes up | 05:10 |
| BCMM | is WMM-PS the same thing as PSM? | 05:13 |
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| kpoman | BCMM: see, I used to have a blackberry and the email part is really exceptional | 05:20 |
| kpoman | for example the fact to download only a part of the eail | 05:20 |
| kpoman | 05:20 | |
| kpoman | and download as you read it | 05:20 |
| kpoman | or the attachment handling, etc... | 05:21 |
| kpoman | I wonder if the imap protocol has the ability, on multipart emails, to download specific parts and not the whole | 05:21 |
| kpoman | to be able to do some kind of caching of the text part | 05:21 |
| kpoman | or whatever | 05:21 |
| kpoman | I wonder if I could manage to do some nice python app to do that | 05:21 |
| kpoman | like download mail headers and txt part | 05:22 |
| kpoman | and download on demand other elements or I dont know | 05:22 |
| kpoman | but I think that would mean to have something as middleware between the client and the server | 05:22 |
| kpoman | like a cacher application on some rpc or whatever | 05:22 |
| kpoman | hard to say :p | 05:22 |
| kpoman | ok, flashed to the new kernel | 05:26 |
| kpoman | let me see if it boots :p | 05:26 |
| kpoman | lol | 05:26 |
| kpoman | cool it booted | 05:26 |
| kpoman | still anyone around ? :p | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 05:28 |
| kpoman | oki | 05:28 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you could do a server-side app for that, even if imap can't. | 05:28 |
| kpoman | about tuning, SpeedEvil, I installed a swappolube app ... is it safe to make it permanent ? | 05:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | As far as I understand, yes | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably /etc/X11/Xsession.post is the right place for most interactive things and X related things to autostart. For the rest (system things) there's /etc/init.d/* for the actual script and /etc/rc2.d/(S|K)* for the links according to sysV init | 05:29 |
| SpeedEvil | that's just choosing different defaults | 05:29 |
| kpoman | SpeedEvil: ok but why arent those "safe" defaults part of the main kernel ? | 05:29 |
| kpoman | or distro | 05:29 |
| kpoman | if they are common sense and better feeling of the os ? | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | kpoman: There are many things that aren't in the stock distribution that are arguably better. | 05:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | In short - maemo - the 'edges' - are unpolished. | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps a lot more effort could go into optimisation. | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | This is a problem in a corproate environment. | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | As people typically get tasked 'do x'. | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | So they do it. | 05:31 |
| kpoman | aha | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | They don't go fiddling around optimising stuff they're paid for | 05:31 |
| jonwil | I am hoping that the community SSU (or a similar project) can deliver some of the polish Nokia hasn't | 05:32 |
| kpoman | SpeedEvil: do you think meego would be a good evolution on all this ? | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | So if it boots, and doesn't crash, and mostly works | 05:32 |
| kpoman | a big perf improvement ? | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I have not investiaged meego enough to comment | 05:32 |
| jonwil | MeeGo wont magically make your N900 run faster | 05:32 |
| kpoman | do you think the idea is being a new challenger to ios and android ? | 05:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's the bad part of meego | 05:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I think that was the idea. | 05:33 |
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| kpoman | I hope it doesnt get java on it :p | 05:33 |
| kpoman | I hate java :P love python | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hope java will be our biggest concern with maeego | 05:34 |
| kpoman | oops | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I see much worse things coming, like DRM/secuity-framework for example | 05:35 |
| kpoman | why did they switch to rpm instead of deb in meego ? | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | why not? | 05:35 |
| kpoman | I dont know ... ubuntu uses deb and works pretty well on large varied hardwares | 05:35 |
| kpoman | and has large community behin | 05:35 |
| jonwil | I hope Nokia doesn't lock down MeeGo in the way Apple, Microsoft and the android vendors lock down their platforms | 05:35 |
| kpoman | why not an ubuntu or debian derivative ? | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I don't care at all which format the pkgs for my app manager are | 05:36 |
| kpoman | I know :( | 05:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ubuntu is fubar, simply put | 05:37 |
| kpoman | maybe it will get a real arm branch | 05:38 |
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| kpoman | because of the amount of arm processors nowadays | 05:38 |
| kpoman | they do have the 64 | 05:38 |
| fosstux | Hi! When backupping my data from Mydocs/cities I get read Error: I/O error. | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | who cares? http://xkcd.com/424/ | 05:39 |
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| javispedro | aha! | 05:39 |
| javispedro | module-nokia-voice is the one touching the mixer | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh :-D | 05:39 |
| fosstux | What can I do to backup my cities dorectory? Including diskcache - there the problem exists | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hm | 05:40 |
| kpoman | do someone know where all the contacts are stored ? is it some sqlite stuff or what ? can I massively edit, say, the phone numbers to add a specific prefix ? | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, sqlite3 | 05:40 |
| jonwil | module-nokia-voice sounds like yet another piece of funky closed code :P | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep :-S | 05:41 |
| kpoman | DocScrutinizer: do you know where the file is ? | 05:41 |
| jonwil | ok, so now that I finally got my SDK installed, where can I find a sample app to compile and load onto my device to make sure I am able to properly compile things? | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ .addressfoo | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, do a find ~ -name '*db' | 05:42 |
| kpoman | ./.osso-abook/db/index_phone.db | 05:42 |
| kpoman | oops | 05:42 |
| kpoman | I see lot of those | 05:43 |
| kpoman | :p | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | /home/user/n900-1/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, sorry, that's been my backup on PC | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db | 05:44 |
| kpoman | yep | 05:44 |
| kpoman | cool then I'll have to update it with python :p | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually /home/user/.osso-abook/db/* | 05:45 |
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| kpoman | ok | 05:47 |
| kpoman | I go to sleep now, really late here in brasilia :p | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 05:47 |
| kpoman | I will continue testing stuff tomorrow | 05:47 |
| kpoman | ?? | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2011-01-15 04:47 | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 05:48 |
| kpoman | here 1h48 am | 05:48 |
| kpoman | only :p | 05:48 |
| kpoman | however | 05:48 |
| kpoman | in, say, 4 hours from now, i will have to give some milk to my baby :p | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, you're right... time for another coffee | 05:48 |
| mikki-kun | isn't it like 8PM there only? | 05:48 |
| kpoman | no, really really late :p | 05:48 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh, sorry, seems my provider really is having a hard time keeping my internet up -.- | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 | 05:49 |
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| kpoman | thank you for your time dudes | 05:50 |
| kpoman | have good nite | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | n8 | 05:51 |
| kpoman | see ya soon, will have tons of questions for my biometric app :) | 05:51 |
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| kpoman | (like installing pylons, libusb, etc...) | 05:51 |
| kpoman | hehe | 05:51 |
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| kpoman | nite ! | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | looking forward to it | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | glad to help, esp with h-e-n | 05:51 |
| kpoman | yep it worked fine, even if i still dont have the fem-fem usb cable | 05:52 |
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| jonwil | ok, so where can I get a sample program using QT that I can then compile in scratchbox and put on my device (to be sure that I can compile QT apps before I start writing some of my own) | 05:52 |
| kpoman | will buy one tomorrow | 05:52 |
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| jonwil | google for "qt maemo" doesnt show anything usefull | 05:53 |
| jonwil | aha, http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Qt_for_Maemo seems to help | 05:53 |
| BCMM | jonwil: you could use one of the regular Qt examples | 05:54 |
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| BCMM | jonwil: the whole point of Qt is that stuff doesn't have to have been written specifically for the platform you're using... | 05:54 |
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| jonwil | Whats the correct fu to use to enable extras-devel in scratchbox? | 06:18 |
| jonwil | so I can then pull qt-maemo-example to study :) | 06:18 |
| jonwil | found it | 06:19 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: quite right decision putting the meego.gitorious.org on /topic :) | 06:50 |
| javispedro | seemingly this pulse module got split into several other ones | 06:51 |
| javispedro | but you can still find some intact parts of it in the gitorious history =) | 06:51 |
| javispedro | (meego-multimedia repo) | 06:52 |
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| jonwil | ok, so how do I get my test program (that I just made) onto my N900 and how do I run it? I have run dpkg-buildpackage and now have an armel package. | 07:07 |
| ShadowJK | I'd install it first? | 07:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea... "dpkg -i ./my_package.deb" | 07:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | as root | 07:09 |
| jonwil | how do I put the file on the N900? | 07:09 |
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| ShadowJK | I have openssh installed on mine and would probably just scp it over wifi | 07:12 |
| ShadowJK | but usb mass storage mode works too I guess | 07:12 |
| jonwil | where inside scratchbox does the dpkg file get put? | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd open sftp://root@N900 in konqueror | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then that's just me, and I got ssh key on my N900s, so no pw entry needed | 07:14 |
| jonwil | aha now I see it | 07:14 |
| jonwil | got the .deb file | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I got fixed IPs for the N900s, so no bitching from ssh about changed credentials in known_hosts | 07:15 |
| jonwil | now I just gotta find where on the phone the memory card is mounted | 07:22 |
| jonwil | since that's where the .deb ended up | 07:23 |
| jonwil | ok, found it | 07:24 |
| jonwil | /media/mmc1 | 07:24 |
| jonwil | ok, now its installed, now how the hell do I run my test app? | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you tried to start it via xterm? | 07:27 |
| jonwil | I see the problem | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | how is it supposed to get started? | 07:27 |
| jonwil | somehow its named src | 07:27 |
| jonwil | and not hello | 07:28 |
| jonwil | so thats why its not working | 07:28 |
| jonwil | working :) | 07:28 |
| jonwil | thanks for the help, now I know how to build apps for my N900 and run them :) | 07:28 |
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| ZogG_work | morning | 07:52 |
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| ZogG_work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGy1857r6yg&feature=player_embedded and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_U6FdjVIfs&feature=player_embedded | 08:01 |
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| fosstux | Hi! Is it possible to define custom colors for the n900 calendar app? | 09:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | Like... a theme? | 09:23 |
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| fosstux | RobbieThe1st: for one calendar, yes. I can choose between 12 colors as far I know | 09:27 |
| fosstux | but MY color is missing# | 09:27 |
| fosstux | the calendar uses it to highlight the events in month and week views | 09:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'm not sure... I've never messed with it | 09:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | There's probably a config file somewhere.. | 09:28 |
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| iPeter- | hello | 11:08 |
| iPeter- | I'am trying to install android gingerbread for my n900 bzip2: cant create output file gingerbread.tar: read-only filesystem | 11:08 |
| iPeter- | that error i get when try bzip2 -d gingerbread.tar.bz2 | 11:09 |
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| Jaffa | iPeter-: You aren't root. | 11:18 |
| iPeter- | Jaffa: I'am | 11:21 |
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| JZA | hi got a question, I got a pretty old maemo 5 version on my N900 | 11:30 |
| JZA | I got a question regarding which bin should I dl | 11:31 |
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| JZA | I already go2 two versions | 11:31 |
| JZA | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 11:31 |
| JZA | and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 11:31 |
| JZA | I never manage to install them | 11:31 |
| JZA | and now I am downloading RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 11:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | um... | 11:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ok, wait | 11:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | The second one you listed is what you want - thats the "PR1.3" OS release. | 11:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | The third file you are downloading shouldn't be needed | 11:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's -only- use is wiping the internal data memory, if it gets corrupted. | 11:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | As far as flashing goes, make sure you back up all data/prefrences first with the backup tool | 11:37 |
| JZA | yeah I'll do that now | 11:39 |
| JZA | havent done it in quite some time. | 11:39 |
| ZogG_work | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 11:41 |
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| JZA | ok backup is done. Now lets get started | 11:48 |
| JZA | ZogG: umm what you want to say by that? should I use that one? | 11:49 |
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| ZogG_work | it's the last one | 11:50 |
| ZogG_work | look at the date | 11:50 |
| JZA | ZogG: thats the one I was downloading right now | 11:50 |
| JZA | <JZA> and now I am downloading RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 11:50 |
| ZogG_work | ok | 11:51 |
| ZogG_work | wanted to be sure | 11:51 |
| JZA | ZogG: except RobbieThe1st told me <RobbieThe1st> The third file you are downloading shouldn't be needed | 11:52 |
| JZA | <RobbieThe1st> It's -only- use is wiping the internal data memory, if it gets corrupted | 11:52 |
| JZA | so I got mixed messages now | 11:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | wait | 11:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | Erm, yea | 11:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | he's right. Misread the name | 11:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | Third one's the one you want | 11:53 |
| RobbieThe1st | One with the highest date = PR1.3 | 11:53 |
| JZA | ok running the flasher now | 11:53 |
| JZA | ah ok there is the error... Unable to enumerate USB buses! | 11:56 |
| JZA | http://jza.pastebin.com/FNjyRZmg | 11:57 |
| JZA | that's what I get | 11:57 |
| JZA | that's where I am stuck | 11:57 |
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| JZA | anyone? | 12:02 |
| JZA | RobbieThe1st: any idea | 12:02 |
| RobbieThe1st | oh, um... | 12:03 |
| RobbieThe1st | What OS? | 12:03 |
| JZA | Linux | 12:03 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's got to be run as root | 12:03 |
| JZA | earlier they told me about doing modprobe ctc... | 12:03 |
| JZA | RobbieThe1st: yeah I did that | 12:03 |
| RobbieThe1st | Can you paste your command here? | 12:03 |
| ZogG_work | JZA: what OS? | 12:03 |
| RobbieThe1st | Also, yea - version? what does "uname -a" say? | 12:04 |
| ZogG_work | i had simuliar problem with arch | 12:04 |
| JZA | ZogG_work: linux | 12:04 |
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| JZA | modprobe -r cdc_phonet | 12:04 |
| JZA | Madriva Linux 2.6 | 12:04 |
| JZA | 2.6.31.12 | 12:04 |
| RobbieThe1st | Can you paste the whole "uname -a" string here? You can copy-paste from a terminal with "ctrl+shift+x" | 12:05 |
| ZogG_work | there was some kind of modules u have to turn off before | 12:05 |
| JZA | Linux mylappy 2.6.31.12-desktop586-1mnb #1 SMP Tue Jan 26 02:59:40 EST 2010 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Solo CPU U3500 @ 1.40GHz GNU/Linux | 12:05 |
| ZogG_work | were* | 12:05 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ok. So, 32-bit. That'lll make it easier.. | 12:05 |
| RobbieThe1st | To be honest, I've never used Mandriva. | 12:06 |
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| JZA | RobbieThe1st: so you will blame it on the distro | 12:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | No, I'm blaiming it on my lack of knowledge. | 12:07 |
| JZA | RobbieThe1st: I had no issues when dealing with N770 or N810 | 12:07 |
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| JZA | ZogG_work: which modules? | 12:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | Its cdc_phonet and phonet if I recall | 12:08 |
| JZA | modprobe -r phonet | 12:09 |
| JZA | FATAL: Module phonet is in use. | 12:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | Now, I've tried googling, come up with nothing really for that error. No solutions at least. | 12:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | Unload cdc_phonet first | 12:09 |
| JZA | did that | 12:09 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Try "lsmod | grep phonet" | 12:10 |
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| RobbieThe1st | And copy-paste the lines here | 12:10 |
| JZA | ok it worked now | 12:11 |
| JZA | but still same result | 12:11 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Phonet has been unloaded? | 12:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | and the command's running as root? | 12:12 |
| JZA | RobbieThe1st: yes | 12:12 |
| JZA | I doubt I could unload it as regular user | 12:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | Then I'm out of ideas. Go grab a current Ubuntu CD, run it as a LiveCD, and do it from there. | 12:12 |
| JZA | :S | 12:13 |
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| JZA | this sucks | 12:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hey, do you want it working, or want to mess around for a while? | 12:13 |
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| JZA | well I have been trying for a year | 12:13 |
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| JZA | now | 12:13 |
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| JZA | I wanted to have it through OTA but process sucks as well | 12:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, what I would argue here is that this is Nokia's binary. They didn't do a superb job compiling it, nor did they give us the sourse. | 12:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | *source. | 12:15 |
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| RobbieThe1st | So, it's to be expected that it won't work with everything. | 12:15 |
| trumee_ | JZA: what are you trying to accomplish? | 12:15 |
| JZA | trumee: update the maemo 5 | 12:16 |
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| JZA | on my n900 but it just dont work | 12:16 |
| trumee_ | JZA: flasher doesnt write to the N900? | 12:16 |
| JZA | I get a reasoning that is because of the distro... which is senseless since it worked with the other devices. | 12:17 |
| JZA | trumee: I get this http://jza.pastebin.com/FNjyRZmg | 12:17 |
| RobbieThe1st | trumee: He's running Mandriva, and getting " Unable to enumerate USB buses!" | 12:17 |
| trumee_ | JZA: never seen that before | 12:17 |
| RobbieThe1st | Which is -obviously- an OS/flasher problem. Not a N900 problem... | 12:17 |
| trumee_ | JZA: but i can confirm flasher doesnt work on OpenSuse laptop as well | 12:17 |
| trumee_ | JZA: but works fine on my desktop running gentoo | 12:18 |
| JZA | interesting was reading a similar issue on gentoo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=839 | 12:18 |
| JZA | the guy gave up and ran fedora on vm | 12:19 |
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| RobbieThe1st | It's probably a version thing | 12:19 |
| JZA | but my vm doesnt seems to detect usb devices | 12:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | The n900 flasher version may require a more recent distro version or a more limited set of distro | 12:19 |
| JZA | running on Virtualbox | 12:19 |
| trumee_ | JZA:but it did work with Windows on the same laptop (i have a dualboot on the laptop). So it is an OS issue i think | 12:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | *s | 12:19 |
| JZA | trumee: I dont have windows | 12:20 |
| JZA | god | 12:20 |
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| JZA | well thanks for trying | 12:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | JZA: Go download a Ubuntu CD. It's FREE. It'll take you a couple of hours. Easy. | 12:20 |
| JZA | I'll probably use the evil version of virtualbox eventually and run a vm with it... maybe 2 years from now. | 12:20 |
| JZA | thanks for your time | 12:21 |
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| RobbieThe1st | *sigh*. | 12:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | Some people. :\ | 12:21 |
| trumee_ | RobbieThe1st: i would stay away from Ubuntu given a choice :p | 12:22 |
| RobbieThe1st | Maby so. I'm using Debian personally. | 12:23 |
| RobbieThe1st | Thing is, though, it -works-. | 12:23 |
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| ZogG_w | i was timeouted | 12:39 |
| ZogG_w | did u managed? | 12:39 |
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| ZogG_w | RobbieThe1st: did he? | 12:41 |
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| ZogG_w | ruskie: \o/ | 12:57 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ZogG_w: Sorry for responding so late, but no. He didn't. | 13:07 |
| ZogG_w | he have to turn off some modules | 13:07 |
| ZogG_w | what was his nickname? | 13:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | He did try that | 13:07 |
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| ZogG_w | he needed to turn them off after he connected | 13:08 |
| ZogG_w | as they autoturned back | 13:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | really? the modules auto-load? | 13:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | They won't on Ubuntu... | 13:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | username: JZA (~jza@189.221.119.164.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) | 13:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | I mean - you unload em via modprobe, and you're good for that boot. At least, that always worked for me | 13:09 |
| ZogG_w | he is offline | 13:09 |
| ZogG_w | does he have ubuntu | 13:09 |
| ZogG_w | and they are modules to be loaded | 13:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | cdc_phonet? | 13:09 |
| ZogG_w | this one and other one | 13:09 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I'm pretty sure you're supposed to -unload- them before using flasher... | 13:10 |
| ZogG_w | ubuntu can load them as you connect phone | 13:10 |
| ZogG_w | that's the point in modules | 13:10 |
| ZogG_w | as they are not built in | 13:11 |
| ZogG_w | they are loaded if you need them | 13:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea... But still, they need to be -unloaded- to use flasher, right? | 13:11 |
| ZogG_w | right | 13:11 |
| ZogG_w | u connect phone | 13:11 |
| ZogG_w | and than unload them | 13:11 |
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| ZogG_w | and than start flasher | 13:12 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Possibly. I -do- recall them being loaded -before- I connected my n900 on my Ubuntu machine, though... | 13:12 |
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| jhb | Hi, I have a large inbox on my mail server (4000+), and modest first loads all the emails, but from time to time loses most the emails (both on pop and imap). Any ideas? | 13:15 |
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| ZogG_w | 4000+ is large? | 13:15 |
| ZogG_w | i have about 13000 =) | 13:16 |
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| ZogG_w | nd modest sucks | 13:16 |
| jhb | ZogG, ok, I have a modest amount of emails, and modest still is modest :-) | 13:16 |
| jhb | ZogG: do you know anything to do besides recreating the account from time to time? | 13:16 |
| ZogG_w | delete emails =) | 13:17 |
| ZogG_w | but i don't use it onphone | 13:17 |
| ZogG_w | any mail client | 13:17 |
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| ZogG_w | only web from time to time | 13:17 |
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| jhb | ZogG_w: so no known solution? | 13:18 |
| ZogG_w | there are several other clients as far as i know | 13:18 |
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| jhb | ZogG_w: ok, thx | 13:19 |
| ZogG_w | Claws Mail | 13:20 |
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| piggz | databases may not be the most interesting thing you will do day to day, but you guys may be interested in http://www.piggz.co.uk/kexi/mobile2.png | 13:29 |
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| lardman | what is it a db app? | 13:34 |
| lardman | i.e. generic which the user can design using the UI | 13:35 |
| lardman | ? | 13:35 |
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| piggz | lardman: Kexi from kde/koffice/calligra.....you can design forms and reports on the desktop version, drop the db on the phone, then wander around entering stuff | 13:51 |
| lardman | cool | 13:51 |
| lardman | do you interface with dbus? | 13:51 |
| lardman | for data entry? | 13:51 |
| piggz | no....how might that work? | 13:51 |
| lardman | I used to do stock taking for my Dad's company when I was at school, and barcode scanning would have made my life so much easier | 13:52 |
| lardman | I wrote an application for the Psion 3a to handle the data entry and collation | 13:52 |
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| piggz | (side note, the reports can print several barcode formats) | 13:52 |
| lardman | ah that's interesting | 13:53 |
| alterego | lardman: I used to have an Acorn Pocket Book which was a psion clone :D | 13:53 |
| lardman | it was just a thought as mBarcode sends out a dbus message when it decodes a barcode, so that would provide an entry method | 13:53 |
| alterego | Did you know that os was the makings of symbian? :) | 13:53 |
| piggz | i havnt got the forms working yet....i need to port kexi forms from using qt3support | 13:53 |
| lardman | alterego: yep, and look what they've done to it! ;) | 13:53 |
| alterego | Good ole OPL | 13:53 |
| lardman | alterego: yes OPL was great | 13:54 |
| alterego | I think my first comple programs were in OPL | 13:54 |
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| alterego | complete | 13:54 |
| lardman | if one could buy a pocket sized Python/PySide reference like the OPL one, that would be great for new devs | 13:54 |
| alterego | They bought out a series 60 OPL a few years ago, though I think Python was better by then | 13:54 |
| alterego | Oh yeah, the database reference was awesome | 13:55 |
| lardman | alterego: and OPL is also open source now, though written in that nasty dialect | 13:55 |
| lardman | and as you say no reason to use it in preference to Python these days | 13:56 |
| * lardman wonders about the Galaxy Tab modem comms and whether the GPS is attached to it | 13:56 | |
| RST38h | lardman:BTW, the "use first available plugin" feature is a megafail | 13:56 |
| lardman | RST38h: oh, what's up? | 13:57 |
| RST38h | lardman:Opens 3-4 "Informed Individual" login windows at once | 13:57 |
| lardman | RST38h: just disable II | 13:57 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Tried that, no change | 13:57 |
| lardman | hmm, that is odd | 13:57 |
| lardman | Certainly disabling plugins used to work | 13:58 |
| lardman | The idea of that feature was so that you could leave one plugin enabled and have it automatically called | 13:58 |
| lardman | but not to have multiple plugins active unless you're sure they handle different barcode types | 13:58 |
| lardman | RST38h: are you using the latest -devel version of the code? | 13:59 |
| alterego | I remember writing a piano app in OPL that was cool, | 13:59 |
| RST38h | lardman: yep | 13:59 |
| alterego | Then I got a 5mx and a revo, those devices were amazing | 13:59 |
| lardman | I had (have) an S5 | 13:59 |
| alterego | I've still got loads of bits of broken psions and acorn clones | 14:00 |
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| alterego | Unfortunately, being a young bastard I went through one a year | 14:00 |
| lardman | RST38h: I can't test as my N900 is broken, I'll have a chat to dragly who just pushed some plugin api changes, something may have broken in the plugin enable/disable code with those changes | 14:01 |
| alterego | Always somehow managed to break the screen | 14:01 |
| ZogG_w | lardman: is there anything new about QR code for maemo apps? | 14:01 |
| lardman | ZogG_w: installation via a code you mean? | 14:01 |
| ZogG_w | yeah | 14:01 |
| ZogG_w | like i said on tmo | 14:01 |
| lardman | I added to the bug in the tracker, but I guess as we're in close down mode at Maemo we don't have much hope really | 14:02 |
| RST38h | lardman: yep.The II plugin is weird anyway:I never managed ot get it to work | 14:02 |
| lardman | I'm very happy to add stuff to mBarcode though to support any sites who want to use it | 14:02 |
| lardman | RST38h: it's not working | 14:02 |
| RST38h | oh | 14:02 |
| lardman | bbiab | 14:02 |
| ZogG_w | lardman i can talk to russian site they use qr code for apps | 14:03 |
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| ZogG_w | maybe u should make ham:// links or something | 14:04 |
| lardman | quite happy to do something like that | 14:04 |
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| lardman | there is actually code (commented out) in there to read an entire .install file encoded in a QR code | 14:04 |
| lardman | but that generates huge QR codes, so a URL is probably easier | 14:05 |
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| lardman | RST38h: II is dragly's baby, but I don;t think it's finished | 14:06 |
| lardman | RST38h: I just uninstall it or disable it (as the last time I was able to run mBarcode, disabling plugins did work :)) | 14:06 |
| ZogG_w | but it makes u open website anyway | 14:06 |
| lardman | ZogG_w: which? | 14:07 |
| ZogG_w | i mean when u use .install files | 14:07 |
| lardman | there is code in there to generate a local .install file from the contents of the QR code | 14:07 |
| ZogG_w | maybe it should open it and sent it straight to ham? | 14:07 |
| ZogG_w | not to generate whole install file | 14:08 |
| lardman | but we could use urls and parse them and wget the file and send it to the MIME handler yeah | 14:08 |
| ZogG_w | just to handle it to ham | 14:08 |
| alterego | You can link to an extras .install | 14:08 |
| alterego | doesn't that get handled by ham anyway? | 14:08 |
| ZogG_w | it is but mbarcode would open browser first | 14:09 |
| alterego | Hrm, | 14:09 |
| lardman | atm you encode the url to an .install file, mbarcode hands it to the browser which downloads and invokes the mime handler for the .install file, i.e. ham | 14:09 |
| RST38h | lardman:can't be removed (pulled in as a dependency) and can'tbe disabled (for unknownreason)\ | 14:09 |
| lardman | but we could parse all urls looking for a .install ending and then have the mbarcode plugin wget it and invoke the mime handler itself, skipping the browser step | 14:10 |
| ZogG_w | but ham | 14:10 |
| ZogG_w | it opens install files themselves | 14:10 |
| lardman | RST38h: hmm, it used to be possible to remove individual plugins as they were pulled in as part of a meta plugin package | 14:10 |
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| lardman | RST38h: I'll see what I can do, but I'm a bit stuck without being able to test | 14:11 |
| ZogG_w | so if only to send the files straight to ham and skip doanloading part | 14:11 |
| lardman | RST38h: can you submit a bug? | 14:11 |
| lardman | ZogG_w: that's what I just said above | 14:12 |
| ZogG_w | lardman: can u make plugin that makes world better? | 14:12 |
| lardman | nuke:// encoding? | 14:12 |
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| ZogG_w | let's bug him with android | 14:13 |
| ZogG_w | let's make him hate us | 14:13 |
| ZogG_w | mwahaha | 14:13 |
| lardman | is e-yes an Android guru? | 14:13 |
| ZogG_w | lardman: hello, nitdroid dev | 14:14 |
| lardman | ah ok | 14:14 |
| ZogG_w | i'm really bored | 14:14 |
| lardman | we can tell ;) | 14:14 |
| ZogG_w | should log into windows to print examples of exams so i can study | 14:15 |
| lardman | how's about working out how to talk to the gps/modem on a Galaxy Tab for me | 14:15 |
| ZogG_w | lardman: don't u like me? =( what did i do to u? | 14:15 |
| ZogG_w | lardman: you should talk english i think | 14:15 |
| lardman | ZogG_w: I was taking the mick, don't worry :) | 14:15 |
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| lardman | e-yes: so you have experience of trying to get Android to talk to a GPS I imagine? | 14:18 |
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| lardman | Looking at the nitdroid site, I see you almost certainly do as you have ofono on your todo list | 14:21 |
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| RST38h | lardman:I can but not right now: dead tired after the transatlantic flight | 14:26 |
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| reeniginEesreveR | could someone tell me what is the maximum h264 video encoding capability of n900? I'm trying to encode 640x480 in realtime but it seems to be jittering, probably due to getting CPU out. On 320x240 it works well. Can i get some benchmarks on whats the best h264 encoding n900 can do? | 14:34 |
| alterego | Are you recording to eMMC or microsd, converting a file or encoding from the camera? | 14:35 |
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| reeniginEesreveR | im encoding from camera | 14:42 |
| reeniginEesreveR | and streaming over local network | 14:42 |
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| alterego | reeniginEesreveR: hrm, I managed it in 1.1.1 not tried it since and I can't remember the settings. | 14:45 |
| alterego | I think encoding is broken in gst anyway. | 14:45 |
| reeniginEesreveR | it works well for 320x240 for me | 14:45 |
| reeniginEesreveR | on 640x480 CPU usage goes 100% | 14:46 |
| reeniginEesreveR | and video is jittery | 14:46 |
| reeniginEesreveR | pipeline latency is high | 14:46 |
| reeniginEesreveR | I dont think encoding in gst is broken; they've got DSP support as well | 14:46 |
| alterego | Yes, that is what's broken. | 14:47 |
| alterego | Or at least rubbish | 14:47 |
| alterego | vlc would probably work better :) | 14:48 |
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| lardman | RST38h: thanks, will have a look this arvo anyway | 14:52 |
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| e-yes | lardman, actually, no. (re: android/gps) | 14:55 |
| reeniginEesreveR | vlc is not in respostiories? | 14:55 |
| e-yes | I hope to `inherit` this functionality from ofono: http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=commit;h=5eda7e96b197d2d5cd91811944f575bf91a7762d | 14:57 |
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| KevinB | Hi maemoers! | 15:13 |
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| KevinB | Which device is called additionnal mmc in general? | 15:14 |
| KevinB | /dev/yyy ? | 15:14 |
| KevinB | I'm not sure if it s working well | 15:14 |
| KevinB | on my n900 | 15:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | /dev/mmc?blk? | 15:16 |
| psycho_oreos | err.. /dev/mmcblk?p? | 15:17 |
| KevinB | I think my mmc reader is broken, or maybe the checkCoverIsSet function is | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | dmesg will show if the cover is detected, card is /dev/mmcblk1 | 15:23 |
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| KevinB | cover is open | 15:24 |
| KevinB | haaaa | 15:24 |
| alterego | KevinB: check the light sensor that detects cover open/close | 15:26 |
| alterego | It's next to the camera module. | 15:26 |
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| KevinB | light sensor located, so do I need to reboot for mmc being detected? | 15:34 |
| alterego | Shouldn't do | 15:35 |
| alterego | You mean micro sd? | 15:36 |
| KevinB | yea | 15:36 |
| alterego | Is it formatted and whatfs? | 15:36 |
| KevinB | addtionnal microSD | 15:36 |
| KevinB | it s a meego image (btrfs,swap ...) | 15:36 |
| alterego | It wont appear in maemo then | 15:36 |
| KevinB | anyway dmesg show cover is open | 15:37 |
| alterego | To run meego restart your device. | 15:37 |
| KevinB | even I hide the module | 15:37 |
| alterego | You have to have uboot kernel or use flasher to load the kernel (without flashing it to mtd) | 15:37 |
| alterego | When you replace the cover it should show a banner saying "memory card unsupported" or something like that | 15:38 |
| KevinB | ha, well i'm still trying to get this message... seems like the light sensor went crazy | 15:39 |
| alterego | hrm, try a reboot then. :) | 15:39 |
| KevinB | OK, and I pray | 15:39 |
| KevinB | :) | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | the light sensor detects camera door | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | there's a magnet in the battery cover | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | and a magnetic sensor near the infrared sensor that sees if camera door is open or not | 15:40 |
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| alterego | Oh yeah, might be confusing that, the camera uses light sensor and the cover detection is a magnet? | 15:41 |
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| ShadowJK | KevinB, the light sensor is NOT used for the mmc | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | the magnetic sensor is | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | there is magnet in battery door, that also holds the kickstand closed | 15:42 |
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| ShadowJK | hm I think I'm lagged :) | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | I still think that should be disabled | 15:44 |
| KevinB | s***, magnet sensor broken | 15:51 |
| KevinB | is the solution with gconftool ok? | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | also check if the magnet is there | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | it has been known to fall off :( | 15:52 |
| psycho_oreos | the magnet is that little J shaped metal piece? | 15:52 |
| alterego | That fell off mine a while ago, I super glued it into place. | 15:53 |
| KevinB | I dont event know if I have it still, then | 15:56 |
| KevinB | is there a way to disable that security? | 15:56 |
| KevinB | I guess not | 15:56 |
| KevinB | no special kernel for that? :D | 16:01 |
| KevinB | for the forgiven of the magnets | 16:01 |
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| KevinB | forgotten sorry, my english sucks | 16:02 |
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| wazd | Heya everyone | 17:05 |
| ShadowJK | hai | 17:06 |
| toggles | Ciao wazd | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: ping | 17:26 |
| Gyjf | hey doc | 17:28 |
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| Gyjf | do you happend to know how to set the fontsize in the terminal via cli? | 17:29 |
| lcuk | Gyjf, not sure but press volume keys afaik | 17:29 |
| Gyjf | that was easy.. | 17:30 |
| Gyjf | thx :D | 17:30 |
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| Pauly | hi | 17:31 |
| Pauly | i have n00b question: i need to port qt app to maemo5 but im not sure what i have to install? the scratchbox or maemo5 sdk? | 17:33 |
| valdyn | Pauly: iirc the maemo5 sdk includes scratchbox | 17:36 |
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| Pauly | if i just install scratchbox is that all i need to complie the pro file for maemo? | 17:37 |
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| Pauly | oh i see i need them both | 17:43 |
| valdyn | Pauly: not exactly | 17:43 |
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| Pauly | im just trying to compile one app | 17:43 |
| valdyn | Pauly: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html | 17:43 |
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| Pauly | thank you so much | 17:45 |
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| Pauly | valdyn: hi um im gonna sound retarted but i tried running the qt sdk .run file and get Syntax error: "(" unexpected error? | 17:54 |
| valdyn | Pauly: how did you run it? | 17:54 |
| Pauly | sudo sh file.run | 17:54 |
| valdyn | Pauly: its probably not a shell script | 17:55 |
| valdyn | Pauly: or maybe its bash and your sh is not | 17:56 |
| valdyn | Pauly: chmod +x file.run; ./file.run | 17:56 |
| Pauly | thanks | 17:56 |
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| Pauly | valdyn: got it thank u | 17:58 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: pong | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: thanks for the sugar cubes, who was the author of the where-to-find app to operate these? | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: (I used recorder to test one - my CC sounds funny :-D ) | 18:12 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ieatlint and search for magnetic or something | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 18:12 |
| chem|st | track2 is most of the time teh printed number on the card and the validity date | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, for scratching noises probably all numbers and other data are the same | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I pondered building my own cards out of a piece of plastic and a snippet of 1/2" tape, then record some real audio on it ;-P | 18:15 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you got two so you might mod one for recording | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...or even a veritable tape recorder engine, with N900+cube for the electronics, plus two reels with tape X-P | 18:16 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders sugar-cubes as one-time-pads, based on the surface pattern of sugar. | 18:16 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | QRcode? | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | sort-of. | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ""this is your passport to enter there. If you get caught, eat it!"" now this makes sense :-) | 18:18 |
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| RST38h | Moo? | 18:43 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, meow | 18:44 |
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| RST38h | GAN: How is suffering tonight? | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | remoo | 18:48 |
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| RST38h | Heya Doc | 18:49 |
| * RST38h lazily wonders if he should look at hildon-desktop rotation code | 18:49 | |
| * DocScrutinizer frowns about own wondering how to intercept outbound calls | 18:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | *intercept*, not tally after INVITE got sent | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course I can listen dbus and shout "no! no! don't do that!" as soon as an outbound call gets initiated. That's not any clean solution though | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Can you configure dbus so that YOU rather than the default destination receive these messages? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder idly who's savvy enough of telepathy, to give me a pointer | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: IF call initiation were via dbus, I could implement that | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas to me it seems like caller-ui is talking to telepathy in a way I can't get hold of, in dbus | 18:55 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, just excellent. You? | 18:55 |
| RST38h | Ah | 18:56 |
| RST38h | Telepathy is entirely done via dbus, no? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFC | 18:56 |
| RST38h | GAN: Came back from the US today, still giddy after the flight | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall I scrutinized both dbuses and found nothing promising that looked like it's worth to intercept | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also spoofing destinations in dbus seems isn't one of the standard properties of dbus | 18:57 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, DC? | 18:59 |
| RST38h | Doc: When I checked telepathy api reference, the apis were defined completely via dbus calls, remember finding it peculiar | 18:59 |
| RST38h | GAN:DC/MD | 18:59 |
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| GAN900 | Sounds like an unpleasant flight. | 18:59 |
| RST38h | GAN: United sucks. | 19:00 |
| GAN900 | Indeed | 19:00 |
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| RST38h | GAN: They successfully managed to get worse than Aeroflot. | 19:00 |
| RST38h | Another 5-10 years, and the economy class will be standing space only. | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: thanks for the info | 19:02 |
| jacekowski | who are you talking about? | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess I'll have to get another look into it then. Maybe run rtcom-caller-ui under a different user, wrt dbus, and have a gateway to real bus that does the monitoring and mangling | 19:04 |
| RST38h | Ok, so what part of hildon-desktop would be responsible for rotating client windows? | 19:04 |
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| RST38h | Ahha, hd-comp-mgr.c appears to be it | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | kinda YUCK, but meh, if there's no better way to kick ass of rtcom-call-ui | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | a hook in telepathy would be nice | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, once more my question: who's familiar with telepathy details - maybe even author of telepathy? I'd like to discuss this issue with them | 19:08 |
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| RST38h | Doc: talk to lcuk | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the concept, it's not correct to sandbox rtcom-call-ui. I'd need to sandbox telepathy aiui | 19:11 |
| RST38h | Doc: I *think* he is working for the subcontractor which does telepathy work for Nokia | 19:11 |
| RST38h | Hmmm, hildon-desktop appears to attempt rotation multiple times | 19:12 |
| RST38h | Really messy code =( | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: alas lcuk denied any knowledge about the issue and refused to help unless I switch to meego for my project :-S | 19:12 |
| GAN900 | Hiding file extensions is always helpful. | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, FSCK file extensions :-P | 19:13 |
| perolsen | during boot (White background, blue nokia letters) I get a green "no initfs" message among with kernel version, etc. Is this enabled by the R&D-settings? | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, afaik | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't mean a thing, except "you shalt not enable R&D" | 19:14 |
| perolsen | why is that? | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | why is what? | 19:14 |
| RST38h | Doc: Evil. | 19:15 |
| perolsen | why shalt thee not enable R&D? | 19:15 |
| GAN900 | perolsen, wastes battery life and serves no purpose, generally. | 19:15 |
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| perolsen | noted. | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | because watchdogs are there for a purpose. And you quite usually don't need R&D for anything | 19:15 |
| RST38h | heyajavispedro | 19:15 |
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| javispedro | morning | 19:15 |
| RST38h | javispedro: First of all, you will be delighted to know that ANdroid DID get native audio APIs in NDK 2.3 | 19:16 |
| javispedro | OpenSL ES | 19:16 |
| RST38h | javispedro: and {I hope you have not eaten] they are OpenSL | 19:16 |
| javispedro | I mentioned it yesterday =9 | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro | 19:16 |
| RST38h | javispedro: The API documet is 500+ pages long, and I could not figure out how it works. | 19:16 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: it follows a pattern. Next thing you'll see is Android 40.5 brining in OpenKode =) | 19:16 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Evil^2. | 19:17 |
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| * javispedro also notes that OpenSL itself always seemed like a NIH syndrome result | 19:17 | |
| RST38h | javispedro: Now, I am looking at hildon-desktop sources. Looks like the "interesting" spot is in hd_render_manager_set_state_unportrait / hd_render_manager_set_state_portrait | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aren't the docs just fine :-D | 19:18 |
| RST38h | OpenSL actually manages to be even MORE complicated than ALSA. Takes an effort. | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | even MORE than fsckng PA? | 19:19 |
| RST38h | Doc: Sadly, yes. | 19:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs, depressed | 19:20 | |
| RST38h | Doc: OpenSL is audio done in OpenGL2 | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | *COUGH* | 19:21 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder when they will reach the point to implement virtual /dev/dsp on top of 17 layers of abstraction, and declare that's ultimate ratio audio interface | 19:22 |
| RST38h | Probably never as then all these API designers will become jobless. | 19:23 |
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| luke-jr | LOL | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't matter - you don't need a job after electrocution | 19:24 |
| javispedro | guess what. the music player "sample" in the opensl spec is 9 pages long | 19:24 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Can't electrocute that many people, will need WMDs. | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUAHAHAHA sob | 19:24 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: and OpenSL appears to duplicate MAFW APIs (or vice versa) | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | WAAAAHHH!!! | 19:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer headbangs desk | 19:26 | |
| RST38h | /* change the state temporarily for the reconsideration code */ | 19:26 |
| RST38h | This has been found in the hildon-desktop rotation function | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | reconsideration code - ROTFL | 19:26 |
| RST38h | /* this may or may not cause state change: */ | 19:27 |
| javispedro | hd-render-manager.c? | 19:28 |
| javispedro | hmm. yes. | 19:28 |
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| javispedro | That is core logic, I at least know which "reconsideration" he's talking about. | 19:30 |
| javispedro | hd_transition_rotate_screen | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | It resembles KDE4 menu behaviour: open once - submenu covers main menu. open again - it made up its mind and displays submenu to the left of main | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably they have reconsideration code as well | 19:31 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: read src/util/hd-transition.c:113 | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just don't get it how those KDE4 devels managed to fsck up all the nicely working functions of kde3, even such basic things like menu placement, or window bar highlighting | 19:33 |
| RST38h | amoment | 19:33 |
| * javispedro tries to get the mxr link... | 19:33 | |
| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/hildon-desktop/src/util/hd-transition.c#113 | 19:33 |
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| GAN900 | Personal hygiene is hard. | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | float angle; WAAAH | 19:35 |
| GAN900 | Judging by my semi-random sample today, at least. | 19:35 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Damage done! Start fading in! | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | float final_alpha; | 19:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer shakes head | 19:36 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | /* In Fade effects, final_alpha specifies the alpha value when the window/note if fully faded in. */ SURE, and alpha is a float, inevitably | 19:37 |
| RST38h | javispedro: | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | also for rotation I bet you can't get away without fracions of a angle-degree | 19:38 |
| RST38h | So, based on this code, do you think it spends most timewaiting for the apps to readjust their UIs? | 19:38 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: dunno yet, but my plan is to shortcut the state machine | 19:39 |
| RST38h | javispedro: sounds dangerous | 19:40 |
| korhojoa_ | greetings. So I got a Pr1.1 device from Nokia after my microusb broke off. It only updated to 1.2 afaik via the updater. Any ideas on how to get the device to upgrade to PR1.3 ? | 19:40 |
| RST38h | but at least fadein/fadeout are unnecessary | 19:40 |
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| RST38h | Holy shit, there is so much code there dealing just with the animation... | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa_: should update automatically from 1.2 to 1.3 | 19:45 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: this source file also manages other transitions like notes fading in/out or flying out | 19:45 |
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| korhojoa_ | Yeah, I know. But it isn't doing that. | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you checked for updates available, in 1.2? | 19:45 |
| korhojoa_ | Is there some trigger or something to let it see the upgrade, or do I need to change a repo or something? | 19:46 |
| korhojoa_ | Yes, of course. | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | you checked if you are actually on 1.2 and not 1.3 already? | 19:46 |
| korhojoa_ | according to the firmware version, I'm on 1.2 | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAM -> update | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly, I'd prefer flashing. Much faster, much cleaner | 19:47 |
| korhojoa_ | Hmm. Nevermind, actually. I misread. :f | 19:47 |
| korhojoa_ | I am on 1.3. Feel kind of dumb now. | 19:47 |
| korhojoa_ | Just rechecked | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 19:48 |
| RST38h | javispedro: hd_transition_fade_and_rotate() - this is where it all starts | 19:48 |
| korhojoa_ | I'd flash it too, but I seem to have misplaced my microusb cable | 19:48 |
| korhojoa_ | well. anyway, thanks for prompting me to re-check. | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yw | 19:48 |
| RST38h | javispedro: and this is the function that has to be get rid of, I suppose | 19:49 |
| RST38h | notice the comments about it being "nasty" | 19:49 |
| trx | hmm, when i connect my phone to my car audio player via usb, it works for about 5 mins and then it makes me select the connection again (like i have unplugged it and plugged it again), does that happen to anyone else? | 19:50 |
| trx | usb sticks work just fine btw... | 19:50 |
| javispedro | RST38h: (a moment, doing the Stskeeps stuff) | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: memsticks don't have a menu that asks "mass storage or PC-suite mode?" | 19:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trx: probably your car stereo eventually powers down the USB, to save energy or whatever | 19:52 |
| trx | DocScrutinizer i select "mass storage mode" and player reads the music fine and plays the music | 19:52 |
| trx | hmm | 19:53 |
| trx | damn player :/ | 19:53 |
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| trx | there is no such thing (like a timeout) on the phone? | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: if you use a memstick with LED you can tell if it actually is doing that for the stick as well | 19:54 |
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| trx | i mean, it stops in the middle of a song, it would be wierd for the player to shut down the power.. | 19:54 |
| trx | also, on my 5800XM it didnt do that | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: there's a thing like timeout, for USB. My impression was it's never entering this state when on mass storage mode | 19:55 |
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| trx | i worked fine, thats why i suspect its a phone problem | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's some suspend state in musb-core, the USB kernel driver | 19:56 |
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| trx | are there any config files, do you know? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, it shouldn't break things usually | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | none I know of | 19:56 |
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| trx | :( | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: see, for the N900 your car stereo is not any different to arbitrary PC hosts | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I would assume the problem is in your car stereo | 19:57 |
| trx | yeah, i assume so too | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | as nobody ever reported similar problems with N900 mass storage at PC | 19:58 |
| trx | but just wanted to make sure some1 else didnt have simmilar problems too | 19:58 |
| trx | as 5800 didnt have those problems | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be VBUS related | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ENUM related | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might want to check syslog, on N900 | 20:01 |
| trx | is there any way i can see some logs | 20:01 |
| trx | with dmesg? | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly even with h-e-n enabled powerkernel | 20:01 |
| trx | i have h-e-n enabled kernel | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmesg is ok for most purposes | 20:01 |
| trx | power v46 | 20:01 |
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| trx | DocScrutinizer where can i find syslog? | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trx: install ksyslog, or sysklog, or what's it called. Then look for /var/log/syslog | 20:08 |
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| trx | ok, thank you | 20:08 |
| RST38h | There's a DIY Gastric Bypass Surgery Kit For Sale on Amazon! | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might want to "" >/var/log/syslog"" every now and then, otherwise it tends to eat your / free space | 20:09 |
| trx | good to know that | 20:09 |
| trx | ty | 20:09 |
| RST38h | Thieves Raid Traffic Lights for SIM Cards to Make Free Calls! | 20:10 |
| RST38h | Actually, what a good idea! | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 20:10 |
| trx | hahaha | 20:10 |
| trx | brilliant :D | 20:10 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:19 |
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| * javispedro rofls | 20:31 | |
| RST38h | mmm? | 20:31 |
| javispedro | so a guy in tmo wanted to replace the libPDL library (one of the preenv stubs) | 20:32 |
| javispedro | but he couldn't find it | 20:32 |
| javispedro | so he found out "libdl.so" library | 20:32 |
| javispedro | and since they were named similarly | 20:32 |
| kerio | hahaha | 20:32 |
| javispedro | poof. | 20:32 |
| kerio | a good sysadmin would fix that while the system still runs though | 20:32 |
| javispedro | :) | 20:33 |
| javispedro | but wait. then he realised libPmIpcLib.so is similar to libpcprofile.so ! | 20:34 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: job done :) | 20:47 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I've replaced hd_transition_fsm with a two line function =) | 20:48 |
| Aranel | Can I play MP3 to a caller? Can I? Can I? (I'll make a script for it, a blacklist, and make fun!) | 20:48 |
| javispedro | RST38h: http://maemo.pastebin.com/uTLAmKeK | 20:49 |
| chx | Aranel: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/answering_machine_on_n900/ ? | 20:50 |
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| Aranel | chx: he's asking for a complete app, most likely It's never going to be done :) I'm asking for an advice about it, maybe a pulseaudio one-liner or source of a similar code. | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: heh :-P | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and no floats anywhere :-) | 20:59 |
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| javispedro | unfortunately it had to grow a little as it was doing weird things with menus | 21:08 |
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| javispedro | 6 lines now :) | 21:10 |
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| trx | DocScrutinizer i have tested the car player and N900 a bit now, and it appears that i dont have any problems while the car is off, when i turned it on, i could see on the player that i drew some power | 21:23 |
| trx | and the phone turned off the connection | 21:23 |
| trx | is it possible to tell the phone not to charge it self? (will stopping bme do that?) | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | trying "stop bme" won't hurt | 21:24 |
| trx | i am thinking that maybe during driving, the voltage varies | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | rumour has it though, mass storage mode doesn't work without bme | 21:25 |
| trx | and thats why the phone disconnects it self.. | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | not likely | 21:26 |
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| * GAN900 hulks out | 21:28 | |
| GAN900 | DNS hijacking prefs keep getting reset. | 21:28 |
| javispedro | clearly intentional | 21:28 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: OMG, did that hildon-desktop shortcut work??? | 21:30 |
| javispedro | RST38h: yes, it is not as fast as I'd like though... | 21:31 |
| javispedro | RST38h: it pauses for a moment, screen blinks and you get the rotated output | 21:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro <-- paints in large strokes =) | 21:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: but is it better than before? faster? no visual acrobatics? | 21:31 |
| javispedro | no acrobatics | 21:32 |
| javispedro | but only slightly faster | 21:32 |
| RST38h | and no harmful effects to the applications? | 21:32 |
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| javispedro | with the updated patch seemingly not.. | 21:32 |
| RST38h | hmm, should we give this to MohammadAG for inclusion into his desktop and testing? | 21:33 |
| * Arkenoi reads about SE liveview. 10 years ago i started talking about the need of such things. I wonder if it will be supported by maemo someday | 21:33 | |
| javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/xxEPYCBb | 21:33 |
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| MohammadAG | say what? | 21:33 |
| javispedro | RST38h: can you build it? want a binary? | 21:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I cannot build it at the moment, but would appreciate a binary | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, what did you do? | 21:34 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: we're trying to get faster rotation, rst38h to get rid of the animation and me to prove a point. | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, you should see how I do it in the mediaplayer :P | 21:35 |
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| MohammadAG | (rotating the video now playing window) | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | rotating the widgets instead of the whole window and X server = much faster | 21:35 |
| javispedro | I do not want to know about dirty meego-like tricks | 21:35 |
| javispedro | now I have to kill you. | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | oh right, MeeGo does that.... | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | still, my window's faster than MeeGo | 21:36 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Basically, javispedro has short circuited all the visual acrobatics hidon-desktop does on orientation change | 21:37 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: So his h-d no longer has an animation there, just blinks and shows up in the new orientation | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | cool, now can you replace blurs with darkened bgs? | 21:38 |
| RST38h | that is configurabe, isn'tit? | 21:38 |
| javispedro | h-d itself does that when gl lib doesn't support shaders | 21:38 |
| RST38h | there is a blursetting | 21:38 |
| javispedro | at least on x86 | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | that reduces blur | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | or removes it | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | I want it to lower brightness instead of blurring | 21:39 |
| RST38h | set radius to 1 or 0 and you should be ok | 21:39 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hdrot/hildon-desktop.launch.gz | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | still not the same | 21:39 |
| javispedro | (evaluate, but as I said it is not as good as I'd wish..) | 21:39 |
| RST38h | thanks =) | 21:40 |
| javispedro | (launch by replacing /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch or killing it with no_lg_reboots and "maemo-invoker /full/path/to/hildon-desktop.launch") | 21:40 |
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| trx | DocScrutinizer just to let you know, the rumour was false, mass storage mode works without bme | 21:41 |
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| * RST38h keeps fingers crossed | 21:41 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: better not replace hildon-desktop | 21:41 |
| Pauly | hi i need help | 21:41 |
| javispedro | RST38h: (the system one I mean) | 21:41 |
| Pauly | tyring to install but i need libqtcore4 but have no idea how to get btw im on n900 | 21:42 |
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| Pauly_ | any ideas | 21:44 |
| Pauly_ | ?? | 21:44 |
| * javispedro has now crashed xorg but I was trying xrandr.. | 21:44 | |
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| javispedro | Pauly_: trying to install what? qt comes with your n900. | 21:45 |
| Pauly_ | theres an app called qtwitter runs n diablo but i want to try to install for fremantle | 21:45 |
| Pauly_ | i need qtcore4 | 21:45 |
| Pauly_ | libqtcore4 | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | no, you need to recompile it | 21:46 |
| javispedro | don't do that | 21:46 |
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| MohammadAG | libqt4-core is already installed | 21:46 |
| Pauly_ | ya i noticed a name change | 21:46 |
| Pauly_ | ill just recomplie eveerything | 21:46 |
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| javispedro | "everything"? | 21:47 |
| Pauly_ | qtwitter depends on qoauth and qoauth depends on qca | 21:48 |
| Pauly_ | so i have to recompile all those apperntley | 21:48 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: alive? | 21:58 |
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| MohammadAG | Pauly_, there are Qt apps that use OAuth afaik, you just need to find the new name | 22:01 |
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| Pauly_ | what do you mean? | 22:07 |
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| bjv | agps seems to have stopped responding on my 810 | 22:08 |
| Pauly_ | MohammadAG: what do you mean? | 22:09 |
| bjv | i --purge agps-ui and supl-daemon from dpkg, but nothing improves after a reinstall | 22:09 |
| bjv | ive tried to remove libsupld1 as well | 22:10 |
| RST38h | you probably screwed up the installation | 22:10 |
| bjv | ? | 22:10 |
| RST38h | by purging these packages | 22:10 |
| bjv | agps was functional for many long months, before now | 22:10 |
| bjv | oh | 22:10 |
| bjv | well, | 22:10 |
| bjv | it had already stopped functioning | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search qt oauth | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | libqoauth-dev - Qt-based client implementation of the OAuth authorization scheme | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | libqoauth - Qt-based client implementation of the OAuth authorization scheme | 22:11 |
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| bjv | i grew concerned when 1) removal/reinstallation did not help and | 22:12 |
| Pauly_ | MohammadAG: thank you | 22:12 |
| bjv | 2) libsupld1 removal pulled off osso-core and osso-core-busybox | 22:13 |
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| bjv | in addition to libsupld1 & gpsdriver | 22:13 |
| RST38h | trouble. | 22:13 |
| RST38h | refash. | 22:13 |
| RST38h | reflash, I mean | 22:13 |
| bjv | i did not --purge osso-core or osso-core-busybox, though | 22:13 |
| RST38h | thp: here? | 22:14 |
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| bjv | agps-ui just configures supl-daemon, though | 22:15 |
| bjv | correct? | 22:15 |
| bjv | so really i am still looking at: "supl-daemon is not working" | 22:15 |
| bjv | osso-core and gpsdriver reinstallation aside. | 22:16 |
| RST38h | the server it connects to may be down for some reason | 22:16 |
| bjv | after supld stopped working, but before messing with packages | 22:16 |
| bjv | i could still get an unassisted fix in ~13 min or so | 22:16 |
| bjv | and after messing w/ dpkg | 22:16 |
| bjv | i can still get fixes unassisted | 22:16 |
| bjv | hm | 22:16 |
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| Pauly_ | MohammadAG: apperntly qca and qoauth are just renamed libqoauth and libqca. | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | that's what I said | 22:19 |
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| Pauly_ | so if an app depends on those how would i get it to work? sry im a stupid n00b | 22:20 |
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| Pauly_ | MohammadAG: would i have to change all the refernces in the apps source code? | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't, no | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | qmake should handle all that stuff | 22:25 |
| Pauly_ | okay | 22:25 |
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| bjv | well | 22:28 |
| bjv | so the slightly more sophisticated approach gets me: | 22:28 |
| bjv | "[]Assistance data refresh cache failure - resp:-1!" | 22:28 |
| bjv | when running supld from the console, | 22:29 |
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| bjv | created the folder, for debug log | 22:30 |
| bjv | but "debug mode" is 0, and supld does not seem to have any usage text | 22:30 |
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| bjv | /etc/supld/certs/ just contains a bunch of *.pem | 22:30 |
| bjv | must be stuff in gconf | 22:31 |
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| bjv | hm, /system/osso/supl/cached_adata_support is set to 0 in gconf | 22:41 |
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| bjv | setting it to 1 rewards me with | 22:41 |
| bjv | "supld[3922]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x6d818, 5886bdb6-9443-4cff-bbbf-2875f4a22721, WLAN_INFRA, 0)" | 22:41 |
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| bjv | but then still quits with | 22:41 |
| bjv | "[]Assistance data refresh cache failure - resp:-3!" | 22:41 |
| bjv | setting back to 0, no more Con ic event | 22:42 |
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| bjv | and immediate failure with -1 | 22:42 |
| bjv | supld does not seem to be documented anywhere. | 22:42 |
| bjv | i really just want to rip this out, and redeploy it fresh -_- | 22:42 |
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| Pauly_ | MohammadAG: i tried building but it keeps giving me errors about oauth | 22:52 |
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| smoku | anyone interested in hildon-desktop for Clutter 1.x and Mx in place of Tidy? :) | 23:14 |
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| GAN900 | DDP N900 finally vomitted out its USB port. | 23:22 |
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| BCMM_ | GAN900: Nokia replaces them if the USB port falls out, right? | 23:24 |
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| GAN900 | BCMM_, not out of warranty. | 23:33 |
| GAN900 | And technically the DDP warranty is only 7 days. | 23:33 |
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| BCMM_ | GAN900: DDP? | 23:36 |
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| MohammadAG | Developer Device Program | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | 0 cost or a discount | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder when MeeGo's DDP launches :p | 23:37 |
| BCMM_ | oh | 23:37 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, €250 | 23:38 |
| GAN900 | For N900 | 23:38 |
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| MohammadAG | it was 800 when it launched right? | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | or 600 | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | hey, inside a debian/control file for package appfoo, I specify that a package depends on libbar. | 23:47 |
| lcuk | if the user already has this library installed (but older ver) the newest one in repo will not be pulled in. | 23:47 |
| lcuk | I know I can specify an explicit version for libbar, but can I make this automatic to say "make appfoo depend on the version of libbar that I(the developer) have on my system at build time" | 23:47 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, shouldn't $(shlibs:Depends) do that? | 23:52 |
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| MohammadAG | if it's a proper libbar | 23:52 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, probably | 23:53 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, it works with most libs | 23:53 |
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| lcuk | thx MohammadAG \o | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | awesome indeed MohammadAG :) | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 23:58 |
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| MohammadAG | yw | 23:58 |
| valdyn | lcuk: why depends on one version? | 23:58 |
| valdyn | lcuk: should be >= someversion | 23:58 |
| lcuk | valdyn, it wasn't one specific version | 23:58 |
| lcuk | it was that not specifying a version at all | 23:59 |
| valdyn | lcuk: alright then | 23:59 |
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