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| Gyjf | have anyone managed to get ettercap-ng to work? | 00:22 |
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| Gyjf | it says command not found via terminal | 00:23 |
| Gyjf | as root ofc | 00:23 |
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| piggz | MohammadAG: ok, fixed by running dh_make outside of sb to ensure the files are correct | 00:30 |
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| blue_led | any chance to find debug symbols @ bme_RX-51 ? | 01:11 |
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| alterego | blue_led: nope :P | 01:20 |
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| blue_led | start to construct one. i ask because i don't want to invent "hot water". | 01:23 |
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| alterego | blue_led: eh? construct debugging symbols? | 01:32 |
| alterego | bme is a closed binary | 01:32 |
| alterego | What are you actually trying to do? | 01:32 |
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| nox- | maybe it could be loaded into ida? | 01:33 |
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| jacekowski | it can be loaded into ida | 01:35 |
| jonwil | What could be loaded into IDA? | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | bme | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | but symbols are not there | 01:35 |
| jonwil | ok | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | blue_led: what are you trying to achieve | 01:35 |
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| jonwil | Are there any kernel options I should enable to get the most out of my N900 on linux? (or any kernel options that will help with development for it)? | 01:48 |
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| alterego | jonwil: depends what you're developing. | 01:50 |
| jonwil | just general software | 01:51 |
| alterego | If you're developing something that requires an absent kernel module then yes. | 01:51 |
| jonwil | I dont mean the kernel on the N900, I mean the kernel on my desktop | 01:51 |
| jonwil | i.e. things to turn on so I can talk to the N900 | 01:51 |
| alterego | Why would that do anything? | 01:51 |
| alterego | Well, usb networking is basically all you really need. | 01:51 |
| jonwil | ok | 01:52 |
| alterego | And if you're using a relatively new distro you should be fine out-of-the-box. | 01:52 |
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| jonwil | well its a recent Gentoo build | 01:52 |
| alterego | God knows then :P | 01:53 |
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| MrBawb | pahartik: did you install pand from a package or build it yourself? | 01:54 |
| jonwil | which USB networking option do I need? | 01:55 |
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| pahartik | MrBawb: Maemo does not seem to have "pand" but newer BlueZ implementation of PAN | 01:57 |
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| alterego | jonwil: just plug the N900 in to your computer, select pc suite mode and see if a new usb0 ethernet device shows up in ifconfig | 02:00 |
| MrBawb | pahartik: oh, so that pand command was on your non-maemo machine? | 02:00 |
| jonwil | ok | 02:01 |
| ieatlint | pand is deprecated | 02:01 |
| alterego | Or, you can use wifi, and not worry about usb networking. | 02:01 |
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| alterego | ieatlint: got your present by the way :) | 02:01 |
| MrBawb | ieatlint: what's the replacement for it? | 02:01 |
| pahartik | MrBawb: And on workstation I have used various versions of "pand" provided by Debian for PowerPC | 02:01 |
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| ieatlint | good stuff.. pretty quick for $3 in postage :) | 02:01 |
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| alterego | ieatlint: yeah, thanks, I tested your app too, worked perfectly using my visa card, I'll try some more stuff when I have the opportunity. | 02:02 |
| ieatlint | awesome | 02:03 |
| jacekowski | ? | 02:03 |
| jacekowski | some credit card scams going around? | 02:03 |
| ieatlint | MrBawb: i don't recall the daemon name, but the entire system was revamped with bluez 3.0 | 02:03 |
| alterego | jacekowski: no, nothing like that :P | 02:03 |
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| alterego | ieatlint, MrBawb it's not a seperate daemon anymore, I believe it's a configurable module. | 02:04 |
| alterego | At least, you just need to edit you conf file to enable it. | 02:04 |
| ieatlint | well, maybe, did you actually verify my app doesn't send me your cc #? :P | 02:04 |
| alterego | ieatlint: actually yes :P | 02:05 |
| alterego | Turned off net and checked the source :D | 02:05 |
| ieatlint | good :) | 02:05 |
| alterego | No offence, but if you're not cautious :D | 02:06 |
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| jacekowski | what are you talking about | 02:06 |
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| alterego | ieatlint: give jacekowski that link | 02:06 |
| alterego | I don't have it off hand | 02:06 |
| ieatlint | http://maemo.org/packages/view/magread/ | 02:06 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: it's a magnetic stripe reader that interfaces via the microphone input | 02:07 |
| ieatlint | yes, sorry, am slightly distracted for a sec as gf is bitching at me over IM :P | 02:08 |
| jacekowski | alterego: all tracks? | 02:08 |
| alterego | jacekowski: there's a company in the US that developed a card payment solution terminal for mobile phones. | 02:08 |
| jacekowski | yeah i remember that | 02:08 |
| jacekowski | cube | 02:08 |
| jacekowski | or something like that | 02:08 |
| alterego | jacekowski: No, I think it's just one. | 02:08 |
| alterego | Might be two, | 02:08 |
| alterego | ieatlint: knows more :D | 02:08 |
| ieatlint | square is the company | 02:09 |
| ieatlint | i steal their dongle | 02:09 |
| ieatlint | the code is 100% my own | 02:09 |
| alterego | Heh | 02:09 |
| jonwil | Can you decode barcodes with a N900? | 02:09 |
| alterego | jonwil: yes | 02:09 |
| ieatlint | but you can make your own dongle | 02:09 |
| alterego | jonwil: check mbarcode in extras | 02:09 |
| ieatlint | the application can read any track | 02:09 |
| ieatlint | the dongle i've given alterego can only read track 2 as it is (but can be easily modified to read track 1 as well) | 02:09 |
| ieatlint | mono audio input == only one track can be read at a time | 02:10 |
| alterego | Neat | 02:10 |
| alterego | Ah yes, didn't think about that :D | 02:10 |
| alterego | Does it actually generate stereo output? | 02:10 |
| ieatlint | the n900 is only able to do mono i'm told | 02:11 |
| alterego | ieatlint: yes, I know, but the dongle generates two channels? | 02:11 |
| ieatlint | but the code itself is not platform specific | 02:11 |
| ieatlint | no, the dongle is mono, designed for mobile phones which are almost exclusively mono | 02:11 |
| alterego | Yes, right, just checking. | 02:12 |
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| ieatlint | but it is very much so possible to create an audio dongle that produces stereo output, reading two tracks simultaneously | 02:12 |
| alterego | I ran your app on my laptop too btw :D | 02:12 |
| ieatlint | may or may not work on laptop :P | 02:13 |
| ieatlint | it's hardware dependent | 02:13 |
| ieatlint | the dongle is designed to work with audio jacks for headsets (mono input, stereo output) | 02:13 |
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| ieatlint | it won't work with a stereo audio input on a computer in my experience... some laptops do have headset jacks (my thinkpad does, and some macbook pros do i know) | 02:14 |
| ieatlint | of course, it's a pinout issue... would be easy to change in theory | 02:14 |
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| jacekowski | ieatlint: what about sticking small uC in there and decoding everything | 02:15 |
| jacekowski | and then transmitting it via microphone | 02:16 |
| ieatlint | would require i design my own hardware | 02:16 |
| ieatlint | and would be much more difficult for others to duplicate than a cassette tape head + resistor | 02:17 |
| jacekowski | what are you waiting for | 02:17 |
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| ieatlint | (that's all the dongle that reads it is -- cassette tape head and a resistor to prevent feedback that would erase the magstripe) | 02:17 |
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| jacekowski | it would be nice to implement evm | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ITWM capacitor | 02:18 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 02:19 |
| jacekowski | good night | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | night | 02:19 |
| ieatlint | night | 02:19 |
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| ieatlint | alterego: if your id card has a magstripe on it, i'll likely harass you to give me the specs on it (nothing identifying, just the format so i can add support to decode it) | 02:20 |
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| alterego | ieatlint: I'll be happy to help, things like store cards and stuff would be cool. | 02:23 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i have some ideas on how i can better format the page that shows unknown data | 02:25 |
| alterego | ieatlint: I was thinking of implementing your code as a daemon which starts when it detects the headset and if it picks up a valid magnetic strip, starts up a finance app and displays how much it thinks is left in your account :) | 02:25 |
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| ieatlint | would be easy in theory | 02:26 |
| alterego | Yeah, not sure how practical though ;) | 02:26 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, i wasn't going to comment on that :P | 02:26 |
| alterego | But I'm brainstorming a mobile finance app at the moment so thought it'd be interesting. | 02:26 |
| amti | What's the best email-client with caledar? ms exchange or google caledar arent available. | 02:27 |
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| alterego | amti: we don't have one, we have a calendar and we have an email client. | 02:27 |
| ieatlint | well, the code that's out is all GPL | 02:27 |
| ieatlint | and i could be open to other licensing depending on the circumstances | 02:28 |
| amti | alterego, just talking globally - because you can install debian-packages to n900, I could sync that calendar from that to my phone | 02:28 |
| amti | globally is wrong term, but hopefully you got what I meant you to got :P | 02:28 |
| amti | atm I have calendar and I want to sync another calendar to my n900 calendar. I want to sync it because managing the calendar is much easier with pc and via some accessibble software. | 02:29 |
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| alterego | ieatlint: neah, I wouldn't use your code for personal gain and there isn't really any practical use for it except what square intended. | 02:39 |
| alterego | That and curiosity. | 02:39 |
| ieatlint | i have one in mind | 02:39 |
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| alterego | Heh, cool. :) | 02:51 |
| * RST38h moos | 02:51 | |
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| eichi | which free application is the best for car, cycling and walking routing on n900 | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno if sygic does car routing at all. | 02:53 |
| eichi | with openstreetmap data | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | walking routing | 02:53 |
| eichi | its not free at all? | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | no - sygic isn't free | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | well - it's free as in guantanamo. | 02:54 |
| alterego | Heh | 02:54 |
| eichi | i want a open source one with osm data | 02:54 |
| eichi | i know, navit is usable, but not very good ui | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The data is good where you are? | 02:55 |
| eichi | and maemo mapper allways use this damn tiling, doenst it? | 02:55 |
| eichi | SpeedEvil: yea, perfect | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | you want vector? | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Where are you - .de? | 02:55 |
| eichi | tübingen, germany | 02:55 |
| eichi | all around here, osm is very nice | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | OSM seems to be an obsession with some in .de | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | (not that that's a bad thing) | 02:56 |
| alterego | Heh | 02:56 |
| nomis | a friend has run out of stuff to map in his hometown. He now maps all the fireplugs. | 02:56 |
| eichi | ;) yeah, i did more then 500kms of streets and ways in osm in my lifetime ;=) | 02:57 |
| nomis | (they by default don't show up in the map, but the data is there... :) | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Fireplugs? | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - you mean street-water-fire? | 02:57 |
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| nomis | the stuff the fire brigade connects their hoses to. | 02:58 |
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| eichi | http://osm.org/go/0Dh7Ff96-- thats one of the cites i did | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 02:58 |
| eichi | http://osm.org/go/0DjAtY3p-- and this too - parents home | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Survey, or armchair? | 02:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've been mapping some with my n900. | 03:01 |
| blackthorne | hi | 03:01 |
| jonwil | Maybe I should join open street map and start mapping objects in my area (or writing code to get a usable nav app on the N900 with support for Australia) | 03:01 |
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| blackthorne | some? | 03:01 |
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| blackthorne | mapping networks? | 03:01 |
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| blackthorne | is there dropbos for n900? | 03:02 |
| eichi | http://der-eichi.de/sites/der-eichi.de/files/emedia-osm-3.jpg thats an article about me, explaining openstreetmap in an computer magazine ;P | 03:02 |
| eichi | http://der-eichi.de/sites/der-eichi.de/files/emedia-osm-4.jpg | 03:02 |
| eichi | but its german, sorry | 03:03 |
| jonwil | Can you read GPS coordinates in your own N900 software and how hard is it to convert those coordinates to OpenStreetMap coordinates? | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: EAsy. | 03:03 |
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| jonwil | great | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: there is an OK mobile editor. | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | osm2go | 03:03 |
| eichi | jonwil: you record your gps data and then you open an editor, to "paint" the roads and tag them as highway etc. its very funny experience | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | potlatch sort-a-works | 03:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | The existing camera app geotags the photos. | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Though suckily | 03:04 |
| eichi | and osm2go is live-mapping. mans you can paint roads while you waling on them | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 | 03:04 |
| povbot | Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places) | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I plan on adding a compass to my n900, to aid mapping. | 03:04 |
| jonwil | One thing I want to look at writing is an app for reading Google Transit Feed data and using it on the N900 | 03:05 |
| blackthorne | what about dropbox on N900? | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Check the TOS | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: you probably can't. | 03:05 |
| jonwil | The specs for the Google Transit data is open | 03:05 |
| dotblank | Wjhats google tranist? | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | terms and conditions for much google data are quite restrictive. | 03:06 |
| jonwil | and many transport operators (including my local one) provide Google Transit Feed data files for people to use | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, you cannot legally cache google-maps tiles. | 03:06 |
| jonwil | The license on the files my operator provides is fairly liberal | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | k. | 03:06 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes his local bus operator provided live data. | 03:07 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I have problems with getting stupidly tired when out. | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | And getting on the wrong bus. | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | This is ... not fun. | 03:07 |
| jonwil | Google Transit is a system where public transit operators provide data to Google (and optionally to the general public for use in other apps) that define routes, stops etc | 03:07 |
| jonwil | aha, Google renamed the spec to "General Transit Feed Specification" | 03:08 |
| jonwil | I intend to play with the "General Transit Feed Specification" data provided by my local operator | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Some of the stops info has been imported into OSM | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | In some cases | 03:09 |
| blackthorne | what about dropbox on N900? | 03:09 |
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| jonwil | The first thing I want is something that lets me input a stop number and tells me what buses are due next (so I dont have to waste a phone call calling up the information line to find it out) | 03:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/python-dropbox-client/ blackthorne | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if that's got a UI though | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | or if it's a backend | 03:14 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, the license for this data is surprisingly sane. It just says "dont use our trademarks without permission", "if you use our data you must tell people where you got the data from" and "no warranty applies to this data" | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: nice | 03:15 |
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| ebzzry | Hi! If I want to package an existing Debian package for ARM, where do I start? | 03:18 |
| jonwil | finally found a set of 4 wallpapers for my N900 that I like :) | 03:18 |
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| jonwil | next thing I need to find for my N900 is something to protect it so it wont be damaged | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: I recommend a were-tiger. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: Or a brigade of amazons. | 03:19 |
| jonwil | I was thinking more of a leather case :P | 03:19 |
| jonwil | well not necessarily leather | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Alternatively, I got a cheap crap case from ebay that works well. | 03:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-X-HARD-PINK-CRYSTAL-SILICONE-CASE-SKIN-NOKIA-N900-/330497690797?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item4cf3328cad | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | though mine were all clear | 03:21 |
| dotblank | ebzzry, well I would modify the changes file and make sure it gets updated to the right repo.. I would also use apt-get source to get the package | 03:21 |
| * timeless_mbp curses | 03:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | my stupid lenovo ideapad decided to go to sleep in the middle of an scp | 03:22 |
| jonwil | should I be worried about fingerprints on the N900 touchscreen? | 03:22 |
| dotblank | timeless_mbp, :( | 03:22 |
| jonwil | What should I use to keep the screen clean? | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: a t-shirt | 03:22 |
| timeless_mbp | jonwil: worry about scratches | 03:22 |
| timeless_mbp | fingerprints aren't a problem | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: personally, I got a pack of 10 cheap protectors | 03:22 |
| ebzzry | dotblank: Thanks, and with regards to written documentation, where should I begin? | 03:22 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 03:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: I've used a couple - for scratches that would have utterly destroyed the screen | 03:23 |
| timeless_mbp | this stupid transfer should have finished by now | 03:23 |
| * timeless_mbp curses insane systems | 03:23 | |
| RST38h | alterego: More data on that crash | 03:23 |
| dotblank | ebzzry, I would just basic packaging skills then I would learn how to do maemo packaging | 03:23 |
| dotblank | ubuntu uploads video tutorials of debian packaging | 03:23 |
| jonwil | I will have to hunt around to see if I can find some somewhere reasonably local to me (ordering from | 03:23 |
| ebzzry | dotblank: OK | 03:23 |
| jonwil | from Europe is too expensive) | 03:24 |
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| RST38h | alterego: I have found that if you are not touching the device, Columbus appears to work. It crashes when you take the device and start rotating it. The compass starts rotating wildly left and right, then the application crashes | 03:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | jonwil: there are global sellers that ship that locally to you. | 03:24 |
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| RST38h | alterego: From the lookof it, it may be dividing by 0 at some point | 03:25 |
| jonwil | well I have seen local shops that have 1000s of mobile phone covers and cases for all different models so I will check to see if any of em have one for a N900 | 03:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | jonwil: that works too. | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: I'd strongly recommend a protector, personally. | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | screen protector | 03:27 |
| jonwil | I definatly intend to acquire a screen protector as soon as I can find something suitable | 03:27 |
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| alterego | RST38h: thanks for the info, I'll look into it in the morning. :) | 03:27 |
| RST38h | alterego: btw, I am still failing to understand WHAT the compass shows | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6X-CLEAR-LCD-SCREEN-PROTECTOR-NOKIA-N900-/280538209916?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item4151615e7c I got | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: It's the best estimate of the course of your n900 | 03:28 |
| RST38h | alterego: it seems to jump 180o in a second or so | 03:28 |
| alterego | RST38h: your heading | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: walk forward a bit | 03:28 |
| RST38h | heading to WHAT? | 03:28 |
| alterego | If you're not moving the gps error :) | 03:28 |
| RST38h | ah, ok | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: oldpos-newpos | 03:29 |
| RST38h | Soooo... it looks like that may be rhe crash reason | 03:29 |
| alterego | I'll be adding a bit of intelligence into it before 1.0 | 03:29 |
| RST38h | I am rotating the device in my hands, but never walking with it, so it provides for some realy wild heading display | 03:29 |
| RST38h | And THAT may crash it | 03:29 |
| alterego | Well, that shouldn't cause a crash, but we'll see. | 03:29 |
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| alterego | Yeah, the landscape portrait switching may be showing an underlying issue. | 03:30 |
| alterego | But my accel seems to have stopped working atm so I can't test it. | 03:30 |
| RST38h | btw, can you use accelerator to improve heading display? =) | 03:31 |
| RST38h | Just rotated device into portrait mode, 5 seconds and...oops. Crashed. | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: basically not | 03:31 |
| alterego | RST38h: no, but I can use it to detect real movement. | 03:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: without other knowledge 'n900 is clamped into a vehicle' - the accel gives no orientation info | 03:32 |
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| alterego | Well, real acceleration, which may help in ascertaining whether I should display a heading or not. | 03:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: As you can spin the n900 around the gravity axis without causing any accel at all | 03:32 |
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| RST38h | true... | 03:33 |
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| RST38h | alterego: another small suggestion - remove the word "Graph" from all the graph legends | 03:33 |
| RST38h | alterego: It is kinda clear that they are graphs :) | 03:33 |
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| alterego | RST38h: well, maybe not to some :P | 03:34 |
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| alterego | But yeah, I just thought it looked cool ^_^ | 03:35 |
| RST38h | alterego: AFAIK, it will look like "Aha! This translation string is missing!" to most developers | 03:35 |
| alterego | Like the rest of the UI ;) | 03:36 |
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| alterego | There are no translations currently, though I will be supporting that in my v2 roadmap | 03:36 |
| RST38h | btw, have you seen Nokia's own Sports Tracker? | 03:37 |
| alterego | Nope | 03:38 |
| alterego | Well, I may have seen some shots of it a while ago in labs | 03:38 |
| RST38h | www.sports-tracker.com | 03:41 |
| RST38h | Has similar functionality to Columbus. Pretty damn decent for a Symbian app. | 03:42 |
| RST38h | You may want to steal a few features / screen layouts from it =) | 03:42 |
| alterego | Heh, maybe. | 03:43 |
| dotblank | what is arm1136 | 03:43 |
| alterego | otoh, I want to finish it at somepoint so I can do other apps :P | 03:43 |
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| nox- | hm is it normal that iwconfig says `security mode:open' even tho im using wpa2? | 03:57 |
| alterego | nox-: probably | 04:00 |
| nox- | hm ok | 04:00 |
| nox- | as long as its not a security hole... :) | 04:01 |
| alterego | Think it depends on a few driver factors | 04:01 |
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| alterego | So it's not suprising at least :) | 04:01 |
| nox- | wpa2 with a long enough pw should still be safe, right? | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | long, random | 04:02 |
| nox- | yeah | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | fourscoreyears | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | isn't a good phrase forex | 04:02 |
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| * nox- did something like dd bs=256 count=1 </dev/random|(LANG=C tr -dc '[:graph:]') | 04:03 | |
| SpeedEvil | that's prolly OK. | 04:05 |
| nox- | good :) | 04:05 |
| chx | there was a good article about how three random english word is safer than various random alphanumeric characters | 04:06 |
| BCMM | how OT is t-mobile uk's upcoming policy change? (it was the best way of getting an n900 in hte UK until recently) | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | quite on topic | 04:06 |
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| BCMM | i'm wondering if anyone here has successfully got out of the contract early, with their n900, over this | 04:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | BCMM: The 20 quid for 6 months PAYG deal is quite reasonable, even at 500M (of video) per month | 04:07 |
| nox- | chx, hm link? :) | 04:07 |
| alterego | BCMM: lots when it happened to vodafone customers last year. | 04:08 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: it's 500MB of anything, per month | 04:08 |
| BCMM | alterego: yeah, but t-mobile isn't vodafone | 04:08 |
| alterego | BCMM: look at the t.m.o thread :) | 04:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | BCMM: yes - 500M, but after 500M, streaming, and 'large files' break | 04:08 |
| BCMM | i know that, legally, i can get out, but in practise i need to convince t-mob of that, since i'm not going to hire a lawyer | 04:08 |
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| alterego | BCMM: ofcom defines the rules, if your bill increases by more than 5 percent due to a policy change you can cancel. | 04:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | So your bill may not increase | 04:09 |
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| BCMM | alterego: huh, awkward. it won't increase the bill, they'll just stop providing a service while still charging the same... | 04:09 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: indeed, | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | just you won't be able to stream after the 10th of the month or whatever | 04:09 |
| chx | nox-: shoudl be somewhere http://www.delicious.com/chx_here | 04:09 |
| chx | nox-: shoudl be somewhere http://www.delicious.com/chx_ here | 04:09 |
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| chx | nox-: http://www.baekdal.com/tips/password-security-usability told you | 04:09 |
| alterego | BCMM: good point, not entirely sure then I'd have to look at the T&C | 04:10 |
| chx | twitter is awesome when crossed with packratius. | 04:10 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: and i'm not sure the £20 a month thing i'm in is a good deal - this contract is effectively still paying for hte n900 | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: yeah - 20/6 mo - internet booster for PAYG | 04:10 |
| chx | i tweet anything interesting i read and if i need a link later, it's on delcious. siiiiiimple. | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: that's all ou pay, if you make no calls/text | 04:11 |
| BCMM | if i could get out of it, i could have a pretty similar contract, sim-only, with three, for £10 a month | 04:11 |
| BCMM | and get my 1GB of data back... | 04:11 |
| BCMM | "Sorry, but My T-Mobile is offline at the moment." | 04:11 |
| * lucent perks up at mention of T-Mobile | 04:11 | |
| SpeedEvil | that's annoying. | 04:12 |
| BCMM | some kinda parable there, about not actually investing in infrastructure to support extremely predictable demand | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | 3 here is not of use, as they do not own 900/800MHz spectrum, so don't fall back on 2G | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is useless where I am | 04:12 |
| BCMM | i'm amazed i've seen this story in about three places, and they haven't contacted me about it yet... they're clearly being DDOS'ed by customers trying to find stuff out | 04:12 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: 3 has no 2G network at all? | 04:13 |
| lucent | what is "3" a reference to, hm | 04:13 |
| BCMM | lucent: the mobile phone network called "3" (just to confuse people) | 04:14 |
| BCMM | i think they started out when 3g was new and shiny, causing a bit of confusion | 04:14 |
| lucent | bloody hell | 04:14 |
| alterego | It's Chinese | 04:14 |
| lucent | thanks for clearing that up BCMM | 04:14 |
| BCMM | (same kinda confusion the bloody iPhone 3G causes) | 04:14 |
| chx | 3 is *Chiense* ? wth? I thought they are British. | 04:14 |
| chx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutchison_3G i see | 04:15 |
| lucent | I'm on a T-Mobile USA plan, um, "Even More 500" post-paid with a $10/mo addon for unlimited Internet | 04:15 |
| lucent | it's a $45.66/mo bill USD after taxes | 04:15 |
| lucent | anyone suggest how I could get away with it for cheaper? | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: As I understand it, no. | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: they used to use Oranges network for fallback - but I guess the Orange/t-mobile deal screwed that up | 04:17 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: oh, i was just about to mention the orange thing (saw it in the wiki article) | 04:17 |
| BCMM | yeah, it's annoying that t-mob does this just when i was thinking it was looking pretty good because of the Orange roaming thing | 04:17 |
| wmarone | lucent: not anymore, since even t-mobile just changed up their unlimited plan and eliminated the $10/mo version | 04:18 |
| nox- | chx, ah this three english words recommendation assumes the cracker can only test 100 passwords per seconds... | 04:18 |
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| chx | nox-: one can presume that does not matter -- the relative speedup would be roughly equivalent. | 04:19 |
| nox- | yeah but for wifi security youd need more that three words obviously | 04:19 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: sure they don't have a 2g partner any more? | 04:19 |
| lucent | wmarone: oh, stay with it, then? | 04:20 |
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| nox- | (or just stick do random strings, im not going to type them in here anyway, thats what i have wired/usb network for) | 04:20 |
| lucent | speaking of wireless, and maemo, sometimes I have to reboot to get a gprs connection to work | 04:21 |
| lucent | anyone else experience that? | 04:21 |
| wmarone | I had that a couple times | 04:22 |
| wmarone | usually if I hop on wifi for a while | 04:22 |
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| lucent | oh, mine happens when I'm on a bus, between coverage zones | 04:22 |
| BCMM | lucent: are you sure it has to be a reboot? have you tried going into flight mode and back? | 04:22 |
| wmarone | in and out of flight mode doesn't fix it, taking phonet up and down doesn't fix it | 04:23 |
| lucent | flight mode and back? yes, sometimes that helps, but also I've had it where for several days no matter which coverage zone I was in, it could make and receive calls but GPRS data would not connect | 04:23 |
| lucent | reboot and it worked instantly | 04:23 |
| wmarone | lucent: does the GPRS connection disappear entirely from the connections list as well? | 04:23 |
| lucent | wmarone: negative, it keeps retrying, and I could (and did) retry manually from the connections list | 04:24 |
| lucent | I'd like to know if there is some kind of logging or what I can run to get it "in the act" next time this happens | 04:24 |
| wmarone | weird | 04:24 |
| wmarone | mine's worse then | 04:24 |
| nox- | lucent, here when 3g is down (happened twice for several days each) i have to force gsm or it would keep disconnecting and connecting again probably trying to connect to 3g in vain... | 04:27 |
| BCMM | http://www.three.co.uk/_standalone/What_is_3G_ "Stream music and videos using services like YouTube and Spotify on compatible phones." - 3 officially "gets" the internet more than t-mob. | 04:27 |
| lucent | oh! good point, hey I do not have 3G service here anywhere, it always says "2.5G" | 04:27 |
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| lucent | my 3G is turned off in settings, | 04:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh right | 04:29 |
| timeless_mbp | before traveling, do try to install Maps | 04:29 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone ever try using Ovi Suite to download maps? | 04:29 |
| * timeless_mbp has 20mins to do that | 04:29 | |
| * lucent admits affirmatively | 04:29 | |
| lucent | it was a run-around, never worked correctly | 04:29 |
| lucent | not to say it can't work, I just tried and then decided reflash was easier | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM_: fairly sure | 04:33 |
| nox- | timeless_mbp, http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c | 04:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | nox-: oh right | 04:38 |
| nox- | :) | 04:38 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 04:40 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how well it deals w/ upgraded datasets | 04:40 | |
| nox- | np | 04:40 |
| nox- | heh i wondered about that too... | 04:40 |
| lucent | opinion time, is Ovi Maps "good enough" ? | 04:40 |
| nox- | i also like cloudgps (if you dont need routing) | 04:41 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, i have to get a ride to the airport, no time to chat | 04:41 |
| timeless_mbp | lucent: good enough for *what*? | 04:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm about to go on international roaming for over a week | 04:42 |
| lucent | for the casual user, traveling and needs a map | 04:42 |
| timeless_mbp | normally i'd use google maps while in europe | 04:42 |
| timeless_mbp | (maps.google.com/maps/m) | 04:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but California is rather large (even LA is large) | 04:43 |
| lucent | new to me, thanks for the hint about google maps mobile | 04:44 |
| lucent | is it using Geo Location plugin? | 04:44 |
| timeless_mbp | tap the little round dot near zoom | 04:45 |
| timeless_mbp | you have to give it permission (once) | 04:45 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're using 1.3 it isn't a plugin, it's an integrated feature of the browser | 04:45 |
| timeless_mbp | (it used to be an extension) | 04:45 |
| lucent | oh, got it. doesn't work here though :/ I'm thinking how do I get it to ask me, if I accidentally deny it | 04:46 |
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| lucent | MicroB 3.6 says "about:" | 04:46 |
| lucent | don't mind me! enjoy your trip | 04:47 |
| timeless_mbp | oh right, missing international flights ==BAD BAD BAD | 04:47 |
| nox- | yeah enjoy timeless_mbp :) | 04:47 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks all | 04:47 |
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| * SpeedEvil missed a bus yesterday, it wasn't fun. | 04:53 | |
| SpeedEvil | Not an international flying bus though. | 04:53 |
| lucent | sensing a Harry Potter reference in this one | 04:55 |
| lucent | I have a pretty nice solar panel, how to regulate the voltage from it though | 04:56 |
| lucent | want to charge USB devices (N900) on the go | 04:56 |
| lucent | nominal I think is 21V at 3.0A | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | A SMPS of some form. | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | You want a SMPS that can take the peak unloaded voltage - which would be probably 32V or something, and make it 5V@1A or so. | 04:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you work a soldering iron? | 04:59 |
| lucent | ah, yes | 05:00 |
| lucent | need to research, what is "SMPS" | 05:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Switch Mode Power Supply | 05:00 |
| lucent | ah | 05:00 |
| * MohammadAG screwed with his physics teacher once and connected a LED to his N900's usb port | 05:01 | |
| lucent | that's a really neat idea you've got | 05:01 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ? | 05:01 |
| SpeedEvil | lucent: where are you in the world? | 05:02 |
| MohammadAG | powered a LED from the N900's USB | 05:02 |
| MohammadAG | instead of getting it powered throgh some similar power supply | 05:02 |
| lucent | SpeedEvil: USA located. I've got a really nice portable solar panel, and currently an AGM lead acid battery ... not very portable | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | lucent: If you leave the battery in circuit, it's easy. | 05:03 |
| lucent | yeah that's true. If I want to backpack with this setup though, that AGM weighs 26lbs | 05:03 |
| lucent | not gonna happen! what do you think? LiPo ? | 05:03 |
| * nox- doubts youd need that big a solar panel anyway to charge a phone | 05:04 | |
| nox- | (unless you need it for other stuff too :) | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=TPS5450EVM-254-ND - looks reasonable | 05:05 |
| nox- | bbl | 05:05 |
| lucent | very true nox- and I'm not "in need" of a solar panel, it's like I could have a plain old rotary telephone but naw, I've got a N900. What's up? :) | 05:05 |
| nox- | hehe | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | 31V in may be a bit low though | 05:05 |
| lucent | SpeedEvil: gotta find spec sheet, it's a Global Solar P3 62W | 05:06 |
| lucent | oh wow, $10.20 usd not outrageous, add a case... hmm | 05:06 |
| SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=296-21156-ND ah - that's 36V - probably more comfortable | 05:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I would add a 1.5A quick-blow fuse. | 05:07 |
| lucent | SpeedEvil: drifting off topic! you have experience with "anderson powerpole" connectors? | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | none. | 05:10 |
| SpeedEvil | ##electronics | 05:10 |
| lucent | thanks for the help | 05:10 |
| SpeedEvil | May be of use. | 05:10 |
| ds3 | linear -> SMPS or a huge battery to boil off stuff | 05:11 |
| SpeedEvil | the above module is a really good fit actually | 05:12 |
| lucent | think I will still need a battery, though. | 05:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | you need a battery charger of some form | 05:12 |
| lucent | Panel spec sheet says Open Circuit Voltage 28VDC @ 4.2A | 05:12 |
| lucent | err.. sorry 4.2A is short circuit current | 05:12 |
| SpeedEvil | open circuit voltage is at 0 current | 05:12 |
| ds3 | or get a charge controller | 05:12 |
| SpeedEvil | anyway - ##electronics | 05:13 |
| lucent | right. | 05:13 |
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| MohammadAG | is sent over dbus when a charger is connected | 05:27 |
| MohammadAG | bme is off | 05:27 |
| MohammadAG | might be useful, so i'll drop that here | 05:28 |
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| ieatlint | what's the safe way to install uboot on the n900 with the power kernel? | 06:05 |
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| oscillik | i'm having some MAJOR trouble trying to reflash my N900 | 06:07 |
| oscillik | can anyone help? | 06:07 |
| oscillik | please? | 06:07 |
| FauxFaux | oscillik: Not without any details FUUUUUUUUUU. | 06:08 |
| SpeedEvil | what problems | 06:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ~`flashing | 06:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 06:08 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 06:08 |
| oscillik | followed the steps on the wiki to the letter for reflashing the eMMC first and then the FIASCO image | 06:08 |
| FauxFaux | AND?! | 06:09 |
| FauxFaux | THEN WHAT?! Do tell us. The suspense is killing me. | 06:09 |
| oscillik | it flashes the eMMC fine, when i try flashing the FIASCO image it goes through really quick and then just ends at the commandline with "using flashing protocol Mk II" | 06:09 |
| oscillik | dumps me back to command prompt, and the N900 is left looking like this | 06:10 |
| oscillik | (trying to upload the picture) | 06:12 |
| oscillik | http://lh3.ggpht.com/_CvIbzjVKOmM/TS0qiAklPrI/AAAAAAAACcw/WW_VWiQWl_k/s800/IMG_20110112_041031.jpg | 06:14 |
| oscillik | and here's a pastebin of the output i get on the terminal on my computer | 06:16 |
| oscillik | http://pastebin.com/PZy9UBdg | 06:16 |
| SpeedEvil | off | 06:16 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 06:16 |
| MohammadAG | oscillik, flash FIASCO then eMMC | 06:17 |
| MohammadAG | I really was against changing the sequence in the wiki | 06:17 |
| oscillik | MohammadAG: that goes directly against what the wiki says | 06:17 |
| MohammadAG | since flashing the eMMC requires a different flashing mode | 06:17 |
| MohammadAG | oscillik, the wiki is fucked up | 06:17 |
| SpeedEvil | you've tried rebooting? | 06:17 |
| MohammadAG | flash FIASCO then eMMC | 06:17 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, he shouldn't reboot in between flashes | 06:17 |
| MohammadAG | ignore the wiki, flash the fiasco, then flash the eMMC | 06:18 |
| MohammadAG | do not use -R | 06:18 |
| oscillik | trying now | 06:19 |
| * MohammadAG pets ubuntu | 06:19 | |
| * MohammadAG hides Windows from boot selection menu | 06:19 | |
| oscillik | i think that's worked now, thanks MohammadAG | 06:22 |
| oscillik | was having a panic attack | 06:22 |
| MohammadAG | don't worry, you can't brick the N900 | 06:22 |
| MohammadAG | (easily) | 06:22 |
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| oscillik | :D | 06:28 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ...Well, -this- is interesting. One of my disks apparently has a bad block at LBA 1250259400. Problem is, my last partition only goes to 1250258624 and the last sector I can write with DD is 1250259399 - one sector less. | 07:02 |
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| ShadowJK | dd stops at first error by default | 07:05 |
| RobbieThe1st | Thing is, on -earlier- bad sectors, I was able to write zeros to it and all was fine. | 07:05 |
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| RobbieThe1st | (I'm assuming the HD reallocates it if needed) | 07:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: stop telling BS and start to support your concerns with some facts! What's your concern with the new sequence? I never heard of a "different flashing mode", please elaborate. The "do not use -R - DO NOT BOOT" part is stated in the wiki at least 5 times | 07:16 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm not telling BS | 07:17 |
| MohammadAG | flashing the eMMC is not done in the same flashing mode as the rootfs | 07:17 |
| MohammadAG | feel free to try it, I also failed to flash eMMC first then FIASCO | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? (even if that were true) | 07:18 |
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| MohammadAG | the N900 can switch from the first flashing mode to the second, but not vice versa | 07:18 |
| MohammadAG | for some reason | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_.26_Flashing_your_device >>[f you are flashing the N900 with the eMMC image, follow the instructions below. Also see troubleshooting section, bullet 6:"If you cannot establish..."]<<, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 >>When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! Rationale: on accidental booting in between the 2 flash processes, the sequence formerly suggested (rootfs first) will result in a broken system. The sequence "eMMC first, then rootfs" is checked back with Nokia affiliates and is proven to work. The former advice on tablets-dev.nokia.com was not based on any facts for the recent eMMC VANILLA image. It's | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | fixed now and in line with this wiki]<< >>if you don't get proper message "Image(s) flashed successfully in 27.821 s (9199 kB/s)!" after flashing the rootfs finished, please refer to bullet "If you cannot establish a connection with N900..." in troubleshooting section below.<< http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting ::>> Insert battery while holding "u" key. You can release the key as soon as screen turns | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | on and shows the USB logo. Flashing shall start automatically. (after flashing has finished, remove battery ->(1.) 2.) Repeat same procedure for each image to flash (sequence: eMMC first, then rootfs). So far this procedure always worked, given your PC side has no problems.<< | 07:23 |
| SpeedEvil | The above image could be useful for 'this is what your n900 will look like if you do it wrong | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 07:25 |
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| pipnuk | mornign | 07:27 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm just stating my experience | 07:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and telling "the wiki is wrong, don't use -R" is nonsense. in fact if oscilik had followed the wiki, he hadn't faced any problems | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOLO is known to sometimes not resume properly from a flashing process. I don't think that's exactly depending on sequence of imgs that get flashed. And even if it were, the remove-battery method is more clumsy but absolutely foolproof, while the rootfs_then_eMMC method is maybe nifty and convenient but highly prone to do it wrong | 07:33 |
| ArkanoiD- | i think i'd prefer n9 to run maemo5, just faster. even with all that bugs unfixed. i am afraid too many things will get broken :-/ | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | (...known to sometimes not resume) guess why all the flasher examples from Nokia always had the -R, though that's actually not meant to be used unless you flash a new NOLO, according to flasher README | 07:35 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, dude, did you ever flash eMMC then fiasco or are you basing off assumptions? | 07:35 |
| MohammadAG | one would assume flashing both ways doesn't matter, but it fails from eMMC to FAISCO | 07:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | dude, have you never seen it failing when doing FIACO to eMMC? | 07:36 |
| MohammadAG | no, if done properly | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 07:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a good one, yeah | 07:37 |
| MohammadAG | no seriously | 07:38 |
| frals | MohammadAG: ive never seen anything done properly fail | 07:38 |
| frals | ;D | 07:38 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, :P | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | the fact that http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting bullet 6. is merely virtually impossible to do anything wrong makes all debates about rootfs-first a moot exercise | 07:39 |
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| pipnuk | javispedro seems to never be around irc now | 07:51 |
| pipnuk | (good for him) | 07:51 |
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| timeless_xchat | hello world | 08:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Congrats! | 08:21 |
| * SpeedEvil has been spending the last month missing public transport. | 08:21 | |
| SpeedEvil | Though mostly busses in my case. | 08:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - entirely busses. | 08:21 |
| timeless_xchat | missing? | 08:23 |
| timeless_xchat | that sounds awkward | 08:23 |
| SpeedEvil | getting on wrong bus, etc. | 08:24 |
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| timeless_xchat | bye | 08:28 |
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| Dassu | is there a profile changer widget available for maemo? | 09:58 |
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| crashanddie | best youtube video in a long time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhO-qMeMjtA | 10:35 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, bring forth The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch | 10:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident | 10:58 |
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| pipnuk | nice SpeedEvil :) | 11:14 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:18 |
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| mece | 'ello | 11:57 |
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| KevinB | Hi dudes | 12:46 |
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| KevinB | Did someone eever had tthis problem when booting meego, got stuck on mtdroop ready (n of n+1) and each boot n increments | 12:47 |
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| alterego | KevinB: ask in #meego-arm | 12:51 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, would #ifdef ! Q_WS_MAEMO_5 work? | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | away from an IDE, fixing code using wordpad :/ | 12:57 |
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| mece | alterego, hey | 12:57 |
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| Dassu | MohammadAG: do you believe that IDE is essential for bug finding and if so, why? | 12:58 |
| mece | alterego, is your gl enabled app "ugly" ? | 12:58 |
| Dassu | MohammadAG: what debugger do u use and do you prefer gui over non gui? | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | Dassu, no, I don't | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | gdb, use it over ssh most of the times, in Qt Creator other times | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | is this an interview? | 12:59 |
| mece | alterego, my app is ugly and slow with opengl and pretty and fast without. I'm doing something wrong. | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 12:59 |
| Dassu | kk | 12:59 |
| mece | LOL MohammadAG :D | 12:59 |
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| dany | hi there | 13:18 |
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| dany | is there still only OpenGL ES support or also to the standard OpenGL ? | 13:21 |
| X-Fade | dany: Only ES, standard OpenGL will never happen. | 13:22 |
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| dany | X-Fade, Can I ask you why? | 13:22 |
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| X-Fade | dany: Hardware doesn't support it. | 13:22 |
| dany | X-Fade, uhm damn it | 13:23 |
| dany | I have this error: | 13:23 |
| dany | /usr/include/GL/freeglut_std.h:115:20: error: GL/glu.h: No such file or directory | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | All mobile hardware does ES, there is a trend of everything moving to ES as lowest. | 13:23 |
| dany | so are you saying that is not possible to solve it? | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | dany: Forget that. You need to change code. | 13:23 |
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| smoku | dany, OpenGL API is to complicated. simplified OpenGL ES can do the same and more, so why bother. even desktop OpenGL is going the same route. | 13:24 |
| dany | X-Fade, so I have to change the code and use the ES version? | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | dany: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES | 13:24 |
| chem|st | ieatlint: package arrived ty | 13:24 |
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| dany | thanks guys | 13:25 |
| dany | ah one last thing | 13:25 |
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| dany | if I have a program in standard OpenGL, how much is it hard to port to OpenGL ES? | 13:25 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: will try to make it to the post office today | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | dany: Check that page ;) | 13:26 |
| dany | kk | 13:26 |
| dany | thxx | 13:26 |
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| chem|st | ieatlint: was there one more to ship in europe/germany as you sent 6? | 13:29 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: 1 or 2 for you? | 13:30 |
| dany | I tried to install the es version but I got: Package opengles-sgx-img-common-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 13:30 |
| dany | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or | 13:30 |
| dany | is only available from another source | 13:30 |
| dany | and the same fot the other apt-get commands | 13:31 |
| chem|st | dany: maybe in a repo you have not setup or is not set active | 13:31 |
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| dany | uhm | 13:32 |
| chem|st | look at maemo.org/packages/ for details where they are in | 13:32 |
| dany | strange | 13:32 |
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| dany | kk | 13:33 |
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| dany | cheers | 13:33 |
| * chem|st got struck by nvidia 32bit lightning while upgrading 64bit kernel modules | 13:33 | |
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| alterego | chem|st: spoke to ieatlint lastnight :P | 13:34 |
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| alterego | Think you may have missed him though | 13:34 |
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| Chiku01 | does someone use "FM RDS Notify" ? | 13:34 |
| alterego | I'm sure someone does .. | 13:34 |
| dany | the repository is this: Fremantle Nokia-binaries explicit armel .Is there any website where I can find the exact string to write in the sources.list? | 13:35 |
| Chiku01 | does it stream music into car radio ? | 13:35 |
| alterego | dany: you've deleted your default catalogues? | 13:36 |
| chem|st | alterego: well he might not be up yet ;) | 13:36 |
| dany | alterego, I'm using scratchbox right now | 13:37 |
| dany | not the nokia | 13:37 |
| sandst1 | dany: Accept this and you'll get the string http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php | 13:37 |
| chem|st | Chiku01: music tags you mean?! and I don't know but the details tell it should do | 13:37 |
| alterego | dany: ah, well you need to run the nokia proprietary installer script to get the sources.list entries | 13:38 |
| dany | sandst1, that is only for the nokia binaries.. I need another repository | 13:38 |
| sandst1 | dany: ookay | 13:38 |
| alterego | Oh yeah, that too. | 13:38 |
| dany | alterego, I did it | 13:39 |
| Chiku01 | chem|st, not only tags, as fm music emmitter from N900 | 13:40 |
| dany | no one? | 13:42 |
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| chem|st | Chiku01: th RDS notifyer does not send anything but RDS | 13:43 |
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| chem|st | dany: repositories are listed in the wiki... | 13:43 |
| chem|st | ~repositories | 13:43 |
| infobot | repositories are frequently old. | 13:43 |
| chem|st | botsnack | 13:44 |
| chem|st | ~botsnack | 13:44 |
| infobot | chem|st: thanks | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | ~$50 | 13:44 |
| * infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag off | 13:44 | |
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| alterego | Woof | 13:46 |
| pipnuk | i was just commenting on the utility of women | 13:46 |
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| crashanddie | pipnuk, stfu | 13:46 |
| pipnuk | i didn't write that 'clever' infobot line | 13:46 |
| chem|st | ~striptease | 13:47 |
| infobot | Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? | 13:47 |
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| crashanddie | ~bj pipnuk | 13:47 |
| crashanddie | aww :( | 13:47 |
| chem|st | pipnuk: not everything sucking you off is a woman | 13:47 |
| crashanddie | vampires, vacuums, black holes, men. | 13:48 |
| chem|st | robots | 13:48 |
| crashanddie | a fleshlight | 13:48 |
| chem|st | hehe | 13:48 |
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| alterego | I think my accel is broken :H | 13:50 |
| alterego | Oh, started working again. | 13:51 |
| alterego | nvm | 13:51 |
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| chem|st | cehteh: do you want one of those magnetic stripe readers? | 13:56 |
| chem|st | cehteh: would at least be a reason for a meetup some day ;) | 13:57 |
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| chem|st | ~seen DocScrutinizer | 13:58 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (6h 25m 54s) #meego (6h 25m 54s) #openmoko (6h 25m 54s) #infobot (6h 25m 54s) #openmoko-cdevel (6h 25m 54s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 6h 18m 11s, last said: 'the fact that http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting bullet 6. is merely virtually impossible to do anything wrong makes all debates about rootfs-first a moot exercise'. | 13:58 |
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| Chiku01 | is it possible as real usb pen drive ? so you put you live os image somewhere and plug on computer usb and boot on you live os image ? | 14:01 |
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| chem|st | Chiku01: should be possible at least in "off" state | 14:02 |
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| Chiku01 | chem|st, off sate ? you mean turn off your N900 before plug on computer usb ? | 14:02 |
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| chem|st | Chiku01: just try... I would guess if your bios does the proper commands you will be booting of it wether off or not | 14:03 |
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| chem|st | though it does not work as pendrive on my car radio as it exports to many partitions I guess (and the manual reads something about not to use mediaplayer-pen-drives) | 14:04 |
| Chiku01 | in which folder you will install your live image ? | 14:04 |
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| chem|st | external card | 14:05 |
| Chiku01 | 2 sujects different | 14:05 |
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| Chiku01 | it doesn't any relation about pendrive and car roadio | 14:06 |
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| chem|st | ehrm my car radio has an usb port and I was not able to use my n900 as pendrive on it | 14:07 |
| Chiku01 | about car radio, I will test stream music later on my car | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, I'm able to do that | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | not my car, but still :p | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | though it did corrupt my partition once, stupid cars | 14:08 |
| Chiku01 | my friend got one car radio with usb port too, I should try tu plug on it and see if there is any folder | 14:08 |
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| dany | I didn't find them in wikipedia.. I find only the standard repositories | 14:08 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: I was scared of that and stopped trying, somehow it started to export "something" without mounting it properly from then on, so in windows it looks like 2 not reachable drives | 14:09 |
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| chem|st | dany: not wiki.maemo.org | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, plugging in the N900 always does that till you select mass storage mode | 14:09 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: even with pc suite mode? | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | yes, on windows at least | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | linux is fine | 14:10 |
| chem|st | wel selected ms-mode with busy MyDocs does export a drive as well | 14:10 |
| chem|st | got no linux at my office :( | 14:11 |
| Chiku01 | mydocs is fat partition ? | 14:11 |
| chem|st | yep | 14:11 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: the export and drive enumeration looked random to me as sometimes it happens and sometimes not (win) | 14:12 |
| dany | chem|st, ok I'm going to check it cheers | 14:13 |
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| dany | I don't find it. the package that I want is this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libgles2-sgx-img-dev/ | 14:15 |
| dany | it says that I need Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel | 14:16 |
| dany | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free | 14:16 |
| dany | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free | 14:16 |
| dany | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free | 14:16 |
| dany | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free | 14:16 |
| dany | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 14:16 |
| dany | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/MYKEY nokia-binaries | 14:16 |
| dany | this is my sources.list | 14:16 |
| X-Fade | dany: it is in nokia binaries. | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | dany: The one with the key. | 14:18 |
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| dany | X-Fade, so why I get that error message? | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | dany: I don't see an error message? | 14:23 |
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| dany | Package opengles-sgx-img-common-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | dany: opengles-sgx-img-common-dev_0.20100611.6+0m5_armel.deb | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | dany: That is in nokia-binaries. | 14:24 |
| dany | so I need to: apt-get opengles-sgx-img-common-dev_0.20100611.6+0m5_armel.deb | 14:24 |
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| dany | and that one? the one listed in http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES | 14:25 |
| trx | where are kernel modules in scratchbox? | 14:25 |
| trx | i need modules.dep but its not where it should be ;/ | 14:25 |
| trx | /lib/modules/ is empty :/ | 14:26 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe try running modinfo on a loaded module | 14:27 |
| chem|st | X-Fade: my scratchbox does tell the same | 14:28 |
| chem|st | X-Fade: no opengles at all | 14:29 |
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| dany | chem|st, are you trying to install opengl? | 14:30 |
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| chem|st | dany: I am looking for your package | 14:32 |
| dany | chem|st, I ok thanks :) | 14:32 |
| chem|st | ;) | 14:32 |
| chem|st | but hang with my not setup armel target | 14:33 |
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| chem|st | sbox_cputransparency_method not set, but I cannot choose any... | 14:34 |
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| trx | psycho_oreos cant, modprobe cant find that file either.. | 14:35 |
| dany | chem|st, I think you have to select the QEMU emulator when you're doing the setup | 14:36 |
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| chem|st | dany: ? | 14:38 |
| dany | you said that you got sbox_cputransparency_method not set | 14:40 |
| dany | I had this error and I solved modifying the setup selecting the QEMU | 14:40 |
| chem|st | dany: I have nothing to select... | 14:41 |
| dany | when you type: sb-menu and choose setup | 14:42 |
| dany | you have to select stuff | 14:42 |
| chem|st | yes but there is an empty page | 14:42 |
| dany | uhm | 14:42 |
| dany | sb-menu | 14:42 |
| dany | after don't you get a blue screen with written stuff like: exit, setup etc | 14:43 |
| chem|st | the cpu frequency page is just empty | 14:44 |
| chem|st | well there is a "none" on top | 14:44 |
| chem|st | nvm | 14:44 |
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| dany | uhm | 14:45 |
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| dany | you can find qemu in the select devkits page | 14:46 |
| dany | I have to go to lunch see you later! | 14:46 |
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| mgedmin | what's the maemo 5 screenshot key? ctrl+alt+s? | 15:04 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=918596#post918596 | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | I mean shift | 15:04 |
| * mgedmin googles and finds it's ctrl+shift+p | 15:09 | |
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| alterego | mgedmin: ctrl+shift+p | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | where does it put the screenshot? | 15:11 |
| alterego | saves to: ~/Mydocs/.images/Screenshots | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | oh, I feel stupid now | 15:12 |
| mgedmin | ls -lrt obviously doesn't show hidden directories | 15:12 |
| alterego | :) | 15:12 |
| * mgedmin wishes for an imgur sharing service plugin | 15:13 | |
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| mgedmin | or some other similar image sharing site that's not flickr, facebook or ovi | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | mgedmin, photobucket and tinypic available | 15:15 |
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| * mgedmin is waiting for the app manager to finish whatever it's doing and show him the app list | 15:16 | |
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| mgedmin | yfrog, twitpic -- do any of those sites require an account? | 15:16 |
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| mgedmin | ok, yfrog requires an account | 15:21 |
| mgedmin | I already feel like I'm yak shaving here | 15:21 |
| * mgedmin installs sharing-cli | 15:22 | |
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| mgedmin | I'm confused -- sharing-cli wants two filenames, one for source image (clear so far), one for destination (huh?) | 15:26 |
| mgedmin | ok, it works nicely with scp %s server:path/%s | 15:28 |
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| mgedmin | same filename appears to be used for both %s'es (maybe the second is just the basename) | 15:28 |
| mgedmin | now how do I get ssh to pop up a GUI password dialog if my ssh-agent doesn't have my key? | 15:29 |
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| pahartik | mgedmin: "scp" requires "-p" or timestamp is lost... | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | sharing-cli? | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | That sounds handy | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | it's awesome | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | except unfriendly | 15:32 |
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| mgedmin | this seems to be all the documentation it has: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2010/03/02/command-line-sharing-plugin-for-n900/ | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | I want a CLI that opens the share dialog | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | ok, this is something else: it's a share dialog service that runs a CLI program | 15:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm being stupid - where do I download this. | 15:36 |
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| pipnuk | http://bit.ly/fJ0XA2 /me is currently eating 'Dimensional Force' Satay sauce with noodles ... so good | 15:43 |
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| pipnuk | all other sauces i've tried are practically inedibly salty/msg-laden by comparison | 15:45 |
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| jhb|afk | SpeedEvil: its in the repos | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 15:55 |
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| jonwil | What sort of battery life should I be getting from my N900? I charged it up to "battery full" last night and now about a day later, its telling me its nearly flat again | 16:34 |
| jonwil | And I havent used the internet or made any calls in that time | 16:34 |
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| marmoute | jonwil: did you let app run ? | 16:34 |
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| X-Fade | jonwil: But you watched 4 hours of video and played 2 hours of 3D games? :) | 16:35 |
| jonwil | I didnt use the phone much at all | 16:35 |
| jonwil | certainly no 3D or video | 16:35 |
| Gyjf | yep the battery kinda sucks | 16:35 |
| Gyjf | i have to charge it every day | 16:36 |
| jonwil | Considering Nokias are usually known for their killer battery life, I am surprised at this | 16:36 |
| jonwil | I got better battery life with my crappy Motorola Z6 | 16:36 |
| Gyjf | most everything has better batterylife than the n900 | 16:37 |
| jonwil | I guess the real question is, is it the hardware that's crap (causing the battery drain) or the software being crap and using up more battery than it should be? | 16:37 |
| Gyjf | well | 16:38 |
| Gyjf | its a small computer, not a phone | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | The phone - idle - logged into wifi - lasts 5 days here | 16:38 |
| nomis | Gyjf: that holds true for every smartphone. | 16:38 |
| Gyjf | so its not surprising that it takes much bat | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Do you have any software that polls the internet | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | at all | 16:38 |
| Gyjf | i use wifi/games on mine tho | 16:38 |
| jonwil | unless the N900 includes some out-of-the-box then no | 16:38 |
| Gyjf | and the power user kernel | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ctl-sh-p is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures | 16:39 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 16:39 |
| Gyjf | if that changes anythong | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: Some wifi APs do not properly support power-saving, making the n900 use _much_ more power when logged into them | 16:39 |
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| jonwil | well my N900 isnt even connected to WiFi, just 3G | 16:39 |
| jonwil | would being on 3G drain more battery? | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | 3G eats way more than wifi. | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Not of irself. | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | If you have no internet connection up. | 16:40 |
| Gyjf | does the powersaving features lower the range /quality of wifi? | 16:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | And are in a reasonable signal area. | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | Especially when you are moving around. | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Gyjf: not really | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Gyjf: it may add slight delays | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Gyjf: ping goes from 20-400ms say | 16:41 |
| jonwil | hmmm, I think I know a possible cause. Sometimes when I pull the phone out of my pocket, its sitting on the screen you get if you press the "gear wheel" configure desktop icon | 16:42 |
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| jonwil | so it must be pressing that by accident when I put it into pocket/take it out | 16:42 |
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| jonwil | would that prevent the power-save mode from activating as fast? | 16:43 |
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| yacc | jonwil, if you do not explicitly 3G (eg. pulling big files, surfing sites that need it), you are usually better served by 2G. Alternatively, I've stopped worrying so much about battery after having bought an external charger and a 2nd battery ;) | 16:44 |
| Gyjf | but GSM have been severly cracked, we cant use that :P | 16:45 |
| Gyjf | people will spy on us :O | 16:45 |
| yacc | Gyjf, if you really rely on your plain text communication to be safe, you've got other issues ;) | 16:45 |
| Gyjf | i do use ssl for irc at least :P | 16:46 |
| Gyjf | well im just kidding, 3g has also been cracked, but not as bad | 16:46 |
| jonwil | would heat cause a higher rate of battery drain? | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | unless you lock it on 3g - a 3g jammer is trivial | 16:46 |
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| yacc | Gyjf, I know that GSM is rather cracked, but consider how easy it would be to install a software bug say on your mobile, ... | 16:47 |
| Gyjf | ill have to look in to that :D | 16:47 |
| Gyjf | i know | 16:47 |
| Gyjf | but then theyd had to have my root password | 16:48 |
| Gyjf | or use a silent root exploit :/ | 16:48 |
| yacc | *scratch-head* What happens if I do the following: N900's wlan0 and usb0 happen to be in the same bridge device, and wlan0/usb0 get the same IP address assigned, so I'm basically getting two physical devices on the same bridge being possible delivery routes for a given IP address, ... | 16:50 |
| yacc | *wonder* | 16:50 |
| yacc | Never explored the fun of abusing bridges that way. | 16:50 |
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| Gyjf | waitwhat? | 17:22 |
| Gyjf | can you even do that? | 17:22 |
| Gyjf | then you have to have the same mac on both interfaces | 17:23 |
| Gyjf | doing that would be like dividing by 0 | 17:23 |
| dany | hi there | 17:23 |
| luke-jr | yacc: you don't sound like you understand what a bridge is | 17:24 |
| dany | I tried: apt-get install hostmode-gui but I got: coudn't find package hostmode-gui | 17:24 |
| dany | do you know where can I find it? | 17:24 |
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| Gyjf | is there a possibility to use the n900 *as* a usb keyboard? | 17:27 |
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| mikki-kun | Gyjf: you mean pluging the n900 via micro-usb into another device and then just typing? | 17:29 |
| Gyjf | yes | 17:30 |
| Gyjf | preferably, the output beeing scriptable also | 17:30 |
| mikki-kun | i don't think that is possible | 17:30 |
| Gyjf | aw :( | 17:30 |
| mikki-kun | but that is just my guess | 17:30 |
| Gyjf | it would be great to just plug it in and run like a bash file | 17:31 |
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| mikki-kun | run it like a bash file? | 17:31 |
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| Gyjf | just input predefined keys as a keyboard to the pc | 17:32 |
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| Gyjf | for example, first hotkey for the terminal then run other comands | 17:32 |
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| mikki-kun | hm... so like using it as a gamepad? | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | yacc, there already is an app in the Extras repo (or extras testing? I forget -- it definitely passed devel though) that posts your contact list, including emails, and phone numbers, to /dev/null | 17:36 |
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| crashanddie | just as a "proof of concept" of how easy it is to fool the QA processus implemented in Maemo | 17:36 |
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| crashanddie | processes** | 17:36 |
| dany | does anyone know how can I use the usb-host mode ? I tried to install the package but I didn't find it http://gitorious.org/n900-hostmode/hostmode-gui | 17:37 |
| dany | I tried also that link | 17:37 |
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| yacc | crashanddie, that's why I love my N900, I do not recommend it to non-nerds ;) | 17:37 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, ? | 17:37 |
| dany | there are cpp files but no README or doc at all | 17:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I launched the idea once, had a few people tell me they'd do it, without telling me what app | 17:38 |
| mikki-kun | dany: we have hostmode on repo... | 17:39 |
| mikki-kun | *in the | 17:39 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, but your description is odd | 17:39 |
| dany | mikki-kun, which one? | 17:39 |
| mikki-kun | h-e-n it is named | 17:39 |
| lcuk | and if you know theres a malicious app in extras then shouldnt you be talking to people | 17:39 |
| lcuk | not about bypassing qa | 17:40 |
| mikki-kun | the package i mean | 17:40 |
| dany | mikki-kun, uhm ok so have I to add to sources.list? | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | it's not malicious | 17:40 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh, no, the repo was uhh *checking* | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, AFAICT, there were three kinds of people who did it: known contributors (common submissions to extras), newcomers (0 day account), and someone with a old account with maybe 1 or 2 submissions | 17:40 |
| mikki-kun | but that you have the name of the app :) | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | don't know how many of those did it | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | I don't know what app it is, I've just been told it passed devel. | 17:40 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, but which apps ? | 17:40 |
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| lcuk | -devel is not QA tested at all and nothing to do with anything | 17:41 |
| dany | I m going to check | 17:41 |
| mikki-kun | can't recall anymore whether it was devel or extras, but i would go and search devel | 17:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, oh well, then I guess it passed testing? | 17:42 |
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| crashanddie | I don't remember to be honest, this was when I was back in Australia | 17:42 |
| crashanddie | so nearly a year ago now | 17:42 |
| smoku | which clean theme for maemo would you recommend? | 17:42 |
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| BCMM | i'm wondering if t-mob UK's changes are going to bother me; anyone know if they provide a way to see data usage from previous months? | 17:49 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, any progress with mafw? | 17:51 |
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| crashanddie | nope | 17:51 |
| crashanddie | found a flat though :) | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | also, another thing, did you ever notice why pause/play actually starts a song from the start? | 17:51 |
| crashanddie | never looked into it, tbh | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | probably a wrong signal firing | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | or we're not providing the position | 17:52 |
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| MohammadAG | I'd imagine that mafw would handle that, rather than the UI... | 17:53 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, in France still? | 17:57 |
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| jonwil | Is there any place where community-developed replacements for Nokia closed source components are discussed or posted? | 17:58 |
| jonwil | I dont mean like alternative browsers or media players | 17:58 |
| jonwil | but enhancements to the official software | 17:58 |
| jonwil | or in the case of closed source bits, drop-in replacements | 17:58 |
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| andre__ | jonwil: no one place, but talk.maemo.org and mailing lists | 18:02 |
| jonwil | ok | 18:02 |
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| andre__ | like Media Player currently | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dany: see: | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode | 18:03 |
| infobot | methinks hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 | 18:03 |
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| jonwil | sounds like I should subscribe to maemo-developers then | 18:04 |
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| dany | DocScrutinizer, ok | 18:07 |
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| dany | DocScrutinizer, I already have seen that page | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dany: well, in post #1 MohammadAG explains how to install this pkg | 18:09 |
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| dragly | Are the extras-cauldron lists down? I haven't see any new messages since Jan 9. | 18:11 |
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| * mgedmin delurks, sees the vastness of scrollback, decides not to read it | 18:11 | |
| mgedmin | actually I forgot what I was going to talk about | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | ah, grr, the native google reader client | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | here's what its menus look like: http://mg.pov.lt/grr-broken-menu.png | 18:12 |
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| * mgedmin is once again surprised by the nonexistence of bugzilla.maemo.org | 18:12 | |
| mgedmin | stupid fingers, why do you type "bugzilla." instead of "bugs."? it's longer! | 18:13 |
| dany | DocScrutinizer, cool I'm going to check it, thank you very much! | 18:13 |
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| * mgedmin finds https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6524&group_id=1393&atid=5116 | 18:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | dany: also read post #9. And you probably want to skim the whole thread when you're really interested in hostmode | 18:14 |
| sharjeel_ | how do i find if i have a UK version of n900? | 18:14 |
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| dany | DocScrutinizer, yes I think so.. thanks again | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 18:14 |
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| * mgedmin finds his other bug was also already reported: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=5888&group_id=1393&atid=5116 | 18:15 | |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, hey | 18:18 |
| sharjeel_ | how can i find the version of my firmware? | 18:20 |
| yacc | luke-jr, I think I understand what a bridge is, but I haven't thought far enough, as the bridge does not care about IP addresses, and wlan0 and usb0 have different MAC addresses the bridge won't care. The only thing is how the ARP cache reacts, my guess would be that it takes the MAC address that replies faster (alternatively it could the MAC address that answers last), and use that till the entry expires, which means that only one path (WLAN or USB) will be | 18:20 |
| yacc | used to send data to the N900, while the N900 will do the same, probably deciding at random too. | 18:20 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, right, wrong state | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | signal* | 18:23 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, hey | 18:23 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG sup, i saw your pks singer, would you release it to maemo repos? =) | 18:24 |
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| MohammadAG | not sure if it's legal ZogG | 18:24 |
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| dany | DocScrutinizer, same problem.. couldn't find package i2c-tools | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | geohot got taken to court, wouldn't want to increase the pain on his ass :P | 18:25 |
| ZogG | right after sony sues geohotz =) | 18:25 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, i thought you left the scene releated stuff | 18:25 |
| luke-jr | yacc: a bridge is a switch | 18:26 |
| luke-jr | yacc: broadcasts on one side are retransmitted on the other | 18:26 |
| luke-jr | you basically combine the two networks | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, this is related to the other server, not the scene, I don't give a crap about them ;) | 18:26 |
| ZogG | btw i don't get it how is it usefull? if devs release their apps they should do it singed by now, so ...? | 18:26 |
| luke-jr | so if there's PCs using the same IP on each side, they conflict as if they were plugged into the same switch | 18:26 |
| mgedmin | sharjeel_, osso-product-info in an xterm _or_ settings -> about device | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | dany: bash up MohammadAG :-) | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, less channel spam on other server | 18:27 |
| * MohammadAG runs - hides | 18:27 | |
| ZogG | =) | 18:27 |
| luke-jr | yacc: also, the slave interfaces effectively cease to have MAC addresses; all interaction happens through the bridge and its one MAC | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | dany, do you have -devel enabled, or are you installing debs manually | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: <dany> DocScrutinizer, same problem.. couldn't find package i2c-tools | 18:27 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG have you install CFW? | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm guessing he's clicking the .deb | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, sure, why not | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably | 18:28 |
| dany | MohammadAG, I'm installing with apt-get | 18:28 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG i play jailbroken games so i don't hurry | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | Hawt or Nawt? http://i53.tinypic.com/set6on.jpg | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | dany, then apt-get update, something's wrong with your lists | 18:28 |
| dany | MohammadAG, I'm going to try it thx | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: for you, is NOLO *always* hanging after flashing VANILLA, and *never* hanging after flashing COMBINED? | 18:31 |
| dany | MohammadAG, with that I see it cool! | 18:31 |
| dany | thank you very much | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | thank you for testing h-e-n :-D | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it doesn't hang, the device auto boots, even without -R | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | dany, :) | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68249&page=2 /me dies | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | sure, a media bar = extra bass in the mediaplayer | 18:33 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: NAWT | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, f off :p | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: anyway, I'll aughment wiki to include something to make you happy :-) | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | If you're MohammadAG, flash FIASCO first, then eMMC? | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | something along that line, yes. :-) | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I'll elaborate on the advantages and downsides of both methods | 18:37 |
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| MohammadAG | someone should patch -R so it randomizes image flashing sequences | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | that way, everyone's happy | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | And I might include something like "if you're as cute and experienced as MohammadAG then probably the eMMC_last method is the method of choice for you. If you are a noob and feeling uncomfortble with all this cmdline stuff, then follow the method in "troubleshooting" " | 18:39 |
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| MohammadAG | lmao | 18:40 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, cauldron lists dead? | 18:44 |
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| MohammadAG | actually | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | builder down? | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: moh's mediaplayer needs proper kbd shortcuts. Please do *not* copy osso MP here, it's basically unusable, without any way to fast-forward/rewind, and maybe even a way to set playback pointer numerically. I watched Dr House yesterday and it was merely inpossible to skip the ad-breaks | 18:46 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, scrolling can be done with the keyboard, that's a start :P | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeh? | 18:47 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, hate that. | 18:47 |
| alterego | The lack of decent skipping in video player | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, weren't you doing that part? :P | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: osso mediaplayer just supports spacebar for start/stop, and left/right-arrows for skip-to-prev/next | 18:48 |
| alterego | Yes, probably. | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | trying to advance playback pointer a 2min in a 90min video is merely impossible | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, hate that part too | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | hold to forward would be nice indeed | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not really, you'll find yourself skipping to next when trying to forward very short time-leap | 18:50 |
| dany | I installed that package | 18:50 |
| dany | I require the kernel-feature-usbhost package | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | better: left/right = FF/REW, hold for increasing speed FF/REW, sh-left/right for skipping to prev/next | 18:51 |
| dany | I m going to install it, thx :) | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | dany: kernel-feature-usbhost is a feature that's provided by power-kernel recently | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is not any package on its own | 18:52 |
| dany | DocScrutinizer, so how can I install it? it says that indeed | 18:53 |
| dany | ... is a virtual package provided by kernel-power-flasher | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | install power kernel, then nstall h-e-n | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'm still wondering if we really want that dependency in h-e-n GUI | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ...as we got the runtime check for API version that should do this | 18:54 |
| toadphone | Why is there always at least one repository that's down? . | 18:55 |
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| dany | DocScrutinizer, ok I'll try it | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you might in turn want to improve install instructions in h-e-n thread post#1 | 18:56 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, h-e-n had more downloads than thread views | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: >> To install: Install hostmode-gui from -devel, the package depends on kernel-feature-usbhost, so it should be compatible with any kernel that provides this (in debian/control), kernel-power provides this, and therefore, if no other kernel that does provide it is supported, it will be installed.<< is a bit terse | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | also hard to parse for users not that good in English language | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I suggest you edit it a bit to have full sentences, full names with links (e.g for "" -devel "") | 18:59 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: one square dongle or two? | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, If you ask it like that, I'd say 2 are fine. One for testing, one for analyzing (read: disassembling) :-) | 19:03 |
| chem|st | kk | 19:04 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: anything else? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, what? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | a pizza salami+peperoni maybe :-D | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or are there any discounts available atm? uSD32G for only 2.99$? ;-) Honestly, dunno what you mean | 19:06 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: nvm, packed and shipped 2morrow | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cool, thanks | 19:07 |
| chem|st | kk | 19:08 |
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| pipnuk | can we has a dsp-based midi player | 19:10 |
| lardman | anyone else noticed the autobuilder ml is broken? | 19:12 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, scroll some lines up, it seems broken since 9 Jan | 19:13 |
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| lardman | yeah I know, I was wondering if it was supposed to still be broken | 19:13 |
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| MohammadAG | pinged xfade | 19:14 |
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| lardman|gone | MohammadAG: cool | 19:14 |
| lardman|gone | cu chaps day after tomorrow | 19:14 |
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| pipnuk | cheers lardman|gone | 19:19 |
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| pipnuk | a good channel. full of people who can spell. | 19:20 |
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| dany | it worked, I installed the h-e-n successfully | 19:21 |
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| dany | I'm trying a usb token | 19:22 |
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| dany | there is the red light but when I watch /media there isn't nothing. I read that it should be mounted automatically, isn't? | 19:22 |
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| pipnuk | cat /proc/partitions ? | 19:24 |
| dany | k | 19:24 |
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| dany | there are 4 things like mmcblk0 p1 p2 p3 | 19:25 |
| dany | sda | 19:25 |
| dany | and sda1 | 19:25 |
| pipnuk | blk0 is your internal storage device... p1,p2,p3 are the partitions on it | 19:26 |
| dany | uhm ok | 19:26 |
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| pipnuk | as you insert a sd card you will see additional device revealed in /proc/partitions | 19:27 |
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| MohammadAG | dany, there's a mount button | 19:27 |
| pipnuk | and if you attach a usb storage device you should se another | 19:27 |
| dany | MohammadAG, I pressed it | 19:27 |
| dany | pipnuk, I have a memory card installed (the sd card I think) | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 19:27 |
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| dany | there is also the red light | 19:28 |
| pipnuk | it looks like the kernel has not recognized a valid storage device then | 19:28 |
| dany | damn it | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | how? | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | he has sda1 | 19:28 |
| dany | MohammadAG, maybe is the memory card | 19:28 |
| dany | the sda1 | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | mkdir -p /media/sda1 && mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 | 19:29 |
| dany | uhm I'm going to try it | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | no | 19:29 |
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| MohammadAG | that's mmcblk1 | 19:29 |
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| dany | uhm | 19:29 |
| dany | and so.. what is the internal memory? | 19:29 |
| dany | pipnuk said that mmcblk0 is the internal memory | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG | mmcblk0 | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 19:30 |
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| dany | ah ok | 19:30 |
| dany | ok | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG | mmcblk0 internal | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG | mmcblk1 SD | 19:31 |
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| dany | but I haven't mmcblk1 | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | sd[a-z] anything else | 19:31 |
| dany | so how is possible | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | no microSD | 19:31 |
| dany | I haven't in /proc/partitions | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | got a uSD? | 19:32 |
| dany | I don't have checked :) | 19:32 |
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| dany | anyway, it should be listed there | 19:32 |
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| mece | ~seen Venemo | 19:33 |
| infobot | venemo <~communi@netacc-gpn-5-94-181.pool.telenor.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 18h 56m 46s ago, saying: 'Saviq: mozilla's'. | 19:33 |
| mece | aloha | 19:33 |
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| dany | it worked! but I can't umount it :D | 19:39 |
| dany | device is busy | 19:39 |
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| chem|st | ~flashing | 19:40 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:40 |
| dany | all solved.. it was enought to press VBUS boost on | 19:40 |
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| * ZogG xmms2> pornophonique - sad robot ["8-bit lagerfeuer" 2007] | 19:41 | |
| ZogG | =) | 19:42 |
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| mece | hmpf | 19:44 |
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| mece | so. | 19:44 |
| ZogG | hmprwhat | 19:44 |
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| mece | I'm trying to build for qt app for maemo with Venemo's notification thingamagig, but seems I'm missing some important bits of hildon-notification | 19:45 |
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| pipnuk | thanks zogG - interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornophonique | 19:53 |
| mece | wait.. found some info. | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | mece, what notification? | 19:56 |
| mece | ooh I think it worked... | 19:56 |
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| mece | MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54815 | 19:56 |
| mece | I had the wrong include paths. | 19:57 |
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| lardman | I couldn't stay away | 20:15 |
| lcuk | Ni! | 20:15 |
| RST38h | lardman:addiction! | 20:15 |
| lardman | the knights who say ? | 20:15 |
| lcuk | the very same. | 20:15 |
| lardman | well I have nothing to do development on so I can now sit and waste my time chatting to you lot :D | 20:16 |
| lcuk | i fixed an odd bug development wise last night | 20:16 |
| lcuk | major performance regression in graffiti wall :) | 20:16 |
| ZogG | pipnuk you can download them for free from that p2p site where artists share their music themselves | 20:17 |
| RST38h | lardman: come up with something!=) | 20:17 |
| lardman | I'm waiting for an Android device with OMAP and a kb | 20:18 |
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| lardman | for Meegoisation | 20:18 |
| lcuk | lardman, whats the data bandwidth available on bluetooth? | 20:20 |
| ZogG | lardman what device? | 20:21 |
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| RST38h | Why OMAP though? | 20:22 |
| lardman | RST38h: existing gpu | 20:22 |
| lardman | drivers | 20:22 |
| lardman | not so sure about the snapdragon stuff | 20:22 |
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| lardman | I'm tempted by the Motorola Milestone 2, uses the same PowerVR as the N900, but a later OMAP | 20:23 |
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| lardman | but I'm still a bit concerned about the efuse and how easy it is to flash images to the device, I need to do some more research | 20:23 |
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| lardman | lcuk: no idea, sorry | 20:23 |
| lardman | lcuk: from wikipedia v2.0+EDR = 3Mb/s | 20:24 |
| lardman | bits | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | lardman, is that why for the bluetooth earpieces you had to reencode audio? | 20:26 |
| lardman | yep | 20:26 |
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| lardman | though actually some can accept mp3 data and do the decoding themselves | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | ahh cool | 20:27 |
| lcuk | it was just with hearing today that theres wireless graphics cards | 20:27 |
| lardman | I think the other part of the reason for SBC was so the earpieces could be really cheap | 20:27 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/12/1429259 | 20:28 |
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| ieatlint | that's kinda weird | 20:30 |
| LjL | uhm, did anything special happen recently that may have made N8x0's be worth more on ebay? | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | how do I get a list of build depends? | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | there's shlibs:Depends for dependencies... | 20:31 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, I never got a satisfactory answer to this | 20:31 |
| ZogG | http://☁→❄→☃→☀→☺→☂→☹→✝.ws | 20:31 |
| ZogG | lol | 20:31 |
| ZogG | nice website | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | you mean you cloned a source repository | 20:31 |
| lcuk | which has /debian subfolder | 20:31 |
| lcuk | and now you want to find out how to build it ;) | 20:32 |
| lardman | LjL: transitioned from being old to vintage? ;) | 20:32 |
| LjL | uhm :P | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | hey! | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | my n810 handled itself admirably this last weekend | 20:33 |
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| MohammadAG | my N900 didn't | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | which has led to me complaining about devices :p | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | what did you do to it? | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | nothing, it's been giving SGX recovery problems in dmesg | 20:35 |
| ZogG | mwahaha | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | it also went nuts the other day | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | this is the task switcher: http://i54.tinypic.com/2rvzl8o.jpg | 20:35 |
| lcuk | eek | 20:35 |
| lardman | ooo | 20:35 |
| lardman | when last siwtched on my N900 was stuck between two desktops, was an odd look | 20:36 |
| lardman | but at least I had some colours ;) | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | though I'm surprised it showed in a screenshot, unless the screenshot's taken through hardware | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | that stayed on till I rebooted actually | 20:36 |
| lardman | grabbed from the framebuffer | 20:36 |
| ZogG | fail0verflow has just released all their PS3 tools THEY made (most likely a response to the lawsuit). | 20:37 |
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| ZogG | lol | 20:37 |
| lardman | have you reflashed? | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | nah, I find reflashing too big of a loss | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | too much effort in restoring stuff I've done | 20:37 |
| lardman | what about kernel + kernel modules? | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, hrm | 20:37 |
| ZogG | reflash os fro pu.. little cats =) | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | is that a one off thing then | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | it's fine now, but... | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | I sometimes get SGX Hardware recovery triggered in dmesg | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | it recovers, and I notice a framedrop | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | you sometimes need recovering | 20:38 |
| lcuk | is that on nights you drink too? *grin* | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# dmesg | grep SGX |wc -l | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | 3 | 20:38 |
| lcuk | out of how many frames? | 20:39 |
| lcuk | drawn | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, even SGXs get hangovers | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | idk, but it's noticeable :P | 20:39 |
| lcuk | you do tend to abuse yours | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | I can hildon-desktop miss a frame or two with transitions | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | nah, the SGX is too small to be abused | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | upgraded my nvidia drivers and my wl drivers | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | my laptop suspends in 3 seconds now | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | it suspends faster than windows! | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | resumes in 2s | 20:40 |
| lcuk | my laptop suspends instantly | 20:40 |
| lcuk | when i pop its battery | 20:40 |
| KevinB | IS that true that N900 is not using hardware accelertion on maemo? | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, mine does that too, I think we should complain | 20:41 |
| lardman | I have major issues with wifi with my netbook + Ubuntu | 20:41 |
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| MohammadAG | KevinB, no, that's some bullshit spread on maemo | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | err, talk.maemo.org* | 20:41 |
| lardman | KevinB: no, it's not true | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, broadcom? | 20:41 |
| lardman | probably | 20:41 |
| lcuk | what specific operations are accelerated? | 20:41 |
| lardman | N140 | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | I get 634343242s + lag in XChat's indicator, but it's usually 10s or so | 20:41 |
| * lcuk puts people on the spot | 20:41 | |
| lardman | MohammadAG: you never know, now they;re on the opensource bandwagon perhaps things will change | 20:42 |
| lardman | lcuk: ui transitions | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | apparently | 20:42 |
| lardman | task managery thing | 20:42 |
| KevinB | Just heard that some 'task' were software computed means less efficiency | 20:42 |
| lardman | yeah, so not much at all | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | some people think acceleration is not used at all, because of the 0 in /etc/powervr.d/ | 20:42 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: some people don't think | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | and that changing it to 1 enables SGX acceleration | 20:43 |
| lardman | and judging by the crap people are talking on TMO atm.... | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | it makes frames go faster, and crashes my device 6 + times a day | 20:43 |
| lcuk | well MohammadAG you have just continued the meme here | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, some is an understatement | 20:43 |
| lardman | lol | 20:43 |
| lardman | yes | 20:43 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, you are an active tmo poster :) | 20:44 |
| jacktheripper | actually it never crashed here with that option.. my transitions are lighter though. | 20:44 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, you're a lurker, makes us equal | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | try opening dialogs and closing them quick | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | I do that a lot | 20:44 |
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| MohammadAG | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/mediabar_0.3/armel.build.log.OK.txt :D | 20:45 |
| lcuk | i post | 20:45 |
| lcuk | and i also don't insult others there | 20:45 |
| lcuk | :P | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I'm not insulting others, just stating facts :P | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG | sometimes, I'm stumped by some posts | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, thats of course true | 20:46 |
| lcuk | i sometimes cannot read my own posts :P | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, i dont lurk that much | 20:48 |
| KevinB | Dont you think hildon render kinda slow sometimes, durnig transition or switchingto portrait mode | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, you made a whole wall of pics from the PR1.2 thread :P | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, that thread was made of awesome | 20:51 |
| lcuk | and is a great test of browser | 20:51 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I set up a mailing list? | 21:01 |
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| vi__ | yo, i have a serious issue... | 21:02 |
| ieatlint | heh, apparently i missed the whole set of nokia n9 rumours that came out on saturday | 21:02 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, theres a mailing list about that | 21:02 |
| * lcuk has mailing list overload | 21:02 | |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: garage? | 21:02 |
| vi__ | my volume keys have stopped changing the volume! | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, private, not related to maemo ;) | 21:03 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: No-one ever came up with a good alternative when suggesting open solutions like gitorious instead of garage.maemo.org | 21:03 |
| vi__ | they make xterm font bigger and smaller so I know they still work however they no longer change the volume! | 21:03 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Ah | 21:03 |
| jacekowski | n9 is out/ | 21:03 |
| vi__ | plese help me!! | 21:03 |
| jacekowski | ? | 21:03 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: mailman - but it's a pain | 21:03 |
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| jacekowski | vi__: flash it | 21:03 |
| Jaffa | ieatlint: Good ones? | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, hmm, why? | 21:04 |
| Jaffa | ieatlint: Until I see one mention 854x480 I won't believe it | 21:04 |
| ieatlint | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/01/08/rumours-nokia-n9-being-announced-at-mwc-in-6-weeks-time-more-n9x7-gossip/ | 21:04 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Just faffy to integrate with your MTA etc. etc. | 21:04 |
| ieatlint | claims 960x480 res | 21:04 |
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| ieatlint | close enough to believe? | 21:04 |
| ZogG | kstep is good =) | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, MTA? | 21:04 |
| ieatlint | the specs it claims would be awesome, but i have absolutely no reason to believe a word on that page | 21:04 |
| vi__ | um no | 21:05 |
| vi__ | that is not a solution | 21:05 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Mail Transfer Agent (exim, postfix etc.) | 21:05 |
| jacekowski | vi__: it is | 21:05 |
| jacekowski | vi__: flash it | 21:05 |
| Jaffa | ieatlint: Perhaps | 21:05 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 21:05 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:05 |
| ieatlint | it also claims that the "leaked photos" of the n9 from last august are not correct | 21:05 |
| Jaffa | ieatlint: But that reiterates Snapdragon - which is just unbelievable | 21:06 |
| ieatlint | and implies that there may be no hardware keyboard, which would disappoint me | 21:06 |
| ieatlint | yes, it also inexplicably puts the cpu spec on the same line as the screen's spec | 21:07 |
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| Jaffa | OMAP3630's almost a given, unless the delay was taken to fundamentally shake up the h/w | 21:07 |
| GAN900 | Well, I heard there may be multiple formfactors. | 21:07 |
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| jacekowski | Jaffa: still omap3? | 21:07 |
| ieatlint | they claim it was hw ready in q4/2010 | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | Jaffa: i would expect omap4 | 21:07 |
| GAN900 | And switching from OMAP to Snapdragon would be pointless. | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I see | 21:07 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, 45nm, anyway. | 21:07 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: In one go? That'd be *very* brave for Nokia | 21:07 |
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| MohammadAG | ieatlint, it's too overspecced to be true | 21:07 |
| ieatlint | MohammadAG: yeah, my thoughts | 21:07 |
| Jaffa | jacekowski: Nokia put a lot of effort into OMAP3630 support. Whether that was then bypassed or not, I've no idea | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | 64GB expandable memory <-- microSD ends at 32GBs afaik | 21:08 |
| ieatlint | as i stated, i have no reason to believe a word on that page | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | SDHC that is | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | so unless they got SDXC... | 21:08 |
| jacekowski | Jaffa: well, omaps are not so different | 21:08 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, indeed. | 21:08 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: it's just a software | 21:08 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: and linux can do sdxc | 21:08 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, could be staggered, though. | 21:08 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, SDXC has the same hw spec as SDHC? | 21:09 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: yes | 21:09 |
| ieatlint | if the specs were roughly correct though, it'd dwarf the hw capabilities of every other phone on the market | 21:09 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Yeah, I'd expect Nokia to *have* to come out with another MeeGo(ish) device next year. Maybe 2H running "real" MeeGo and corresponding with a real MeeGo update to N9 | 21:09 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: it's just different data structures on card itself | 21:09 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: but that's software problem | 21:09 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: and linux can do it | 21:09 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: so n900 can do it | 21:09 |
| Jaffa | jacekowski: True; but Nokia've never been rapid in the h/w design stakes. ISTR that the h/w people deliver something and the software teams have/had to build something for it. | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, and my old laptop, so I can't believe that | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, I see | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | well | 21:10 |
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| MohammadAG | I'll wait for something official before looking at android devices :p | 21:10 |
| ieatlint | that page also claims the symbian^3 update will push the cpu clock on existing devices from 680mhz to 727mhz, heh | 21:10 |
| ieatlint | well, hopefully the rumour of it being MWC is correct then, because i too am at the stage of looking more and more at android | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | nothing weird about that | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | the 5800XM was increasing from 3XX-ish to 424MHz | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | increased* | 21:12 |
| ieatlint | MohammadAG: oh, i believe it, more than anything else on that page.. | 21:12 |
| ieatlint | just somehow find it vaguely funny | 21:12 |
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| GAN900 | Android | 21:14 |
| * GAN900 vomits. | 21:14 | |
| ieatlint | can also say the meego conference in may will be a lot better off with a mobile handset already on the ground | 21:14 |
| ieatlint | heh, yes, this is why i am not on android... there are significant issues i have with it.. but at the end of the day, it has features that nokia seemingly isn't able to keep up with | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, at least they run MeeGo ;) | 21:14 |
| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | i intent to make a build environment in a virtualbox vm running ubuntu. are there any good guides to learning how to compile source?- | 21:15 |
| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | needs to be from a newbie persepective | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | what do you know about programming? | 21:15 |
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| BCMM | [DrkGUNMAN-N900]: how to compile stuff in general, or how to cross-compile for maemo? | 21:16 |
| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | not much appart from scripting. I am trying to get my head around it though. I would like to learn how to cross compile linux source for maemo, particularly try and getr midp working for phoneme | 21:17 |
| jacekowski | [DrkGUNMAN-N900]: start on normal PC | 21:17 |
| jacekowski | [DrkGUNMAN-N900]: and then move to embedded stuff | 21:17 |
| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | dotblank was very helpful yesterday but i'd like to learn how he did it | 21:17 |
| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | fair enough. already have the build environment ready on device following the guides and the script provided. now for a standard pc environment. | 21:19 |
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| vi__ | dd | 21:21 |
| vi__ | ? | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | what about it | 21:22 |
| vi__ | so my volume keys dont turn the volume up and down, could that be an issue with dbus? | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | FYI, if you don't know what dd is, you probably shouldn't experiment with it | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | just flash it | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | it's probably a problem with the status menu volume plugin though | 21:23 |
| vi__ | anyone? | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | or keyboard-shortcuts or modified hildon-desktop | 21:23 |
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| MohammadAG | but no, it's not mhd | 21:23 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | there's an #n900 channel? o_O | 21:26 |
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| trx | not many users tho | 21:32 |
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| MohammadAG | I saw it in a screenshot on tmo | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | but.. why | 21:33 |
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| trx | no idea.. | 21:33 |
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| GAN900 | It's bad when you get to the point in life where you forget which stores you've been ejected from. | 21:41 |
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| spiritd | MohammadAG ... i tested hostmode with my flashdrive... its lowered my battery from 33% to 18% during 3 mins... is it ok? | 21:42 |
| spiritd | and i copied only one small txt | 21:42 |
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| MohammadAG | yes, the battery meter wasn't exactly 33% when you started | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | it's too way off | 21:44 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: is there *some* way to get an accurate battery charge | 21:53 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | stop bme && start bme | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | don't come back asking why it dropped half a battery after that | 21:55 |
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| Mr_Rixa | anyone w/ OC active, any sings of battery life extend or better performance | 22:00 |
| spiritd | MohammadAG I started hen and stopped ... still 8,8% | 22:02 |
| spiritd | hm 7,9 now | 22:02 |
| spiritd | wtf | 22:02 |
| spiritd | is there some command line for stopping bme? | 22:03 |
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| spiritd | *command | 22:03 |
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| MohammadAG | stop bme | 22:04 |
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| pipnuk | lol | 22:04 |
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| GAN900 | Mr_Rixa, really going to depend. | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | spiritd: battery meter is controlled by bme. bme is getting confused when you stop and start it | 22:10 |
| spiritd | lol | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | spiritd: don't worry about meter being much lower after h-e-n quit. It's not reflecting the real situation. h-e-n vboost is eating quite a bit of battery power, but not THAT much | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | spiritd: bme will sync with true state of battery during several tens of minutes, or when charging battery | 22:14 |
| spiritd | well... once again copied file... and battery lowered from 8 to 4% | 22:15 |
| spiritd | dont say me this is only some bme confusion | 22:16 |
| Mr_Rixa | GAN900: Well, thought I'd get it more responsive if I oc it to 900 900 w/ xlv profile.. then thought what will happend to the battery life.. | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, bme lowered form display:8% to display:4% | 22:16 |
| spiritd | but if i restart bme by "stop bme" and "start bme" it doesnt change | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | spiritd: why not say you this is bme confusion? If you don't like to hear that, then please don't complain here | 22:16 |
| trx | spiritd you cant expect battery to ignore a stick that is using its power... | 22:17 |
| GAN900 | Mr_Rixa, it's gotta be able to clock down or you'll kill it in no time flat. | 22:17 |
| GAN900 | Mr_Rixa, judging by your conclusions there I'd probably recommend not overclocking. | 22:17 |
| spiritd | i am just not sure .... thats why am I asking so offensivly :) | 22:18 |
| Mr_Rixa | GAN900: sleep drives cpu to 0% ? | 22:18 |
| spiritd | trx... well but 4% over 1min of connection? | 22:18 |
| Mr_Rixa | so it will be 0 or 900 | 22:18 |
| trx | spiritd so what? | 22:19 |
| trx | 200 mA | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | spiritd: yeah, so please do the math xourself. It's impossible, so either you accept bme is telling BS about battery capacity after restarting it, or go on to moan and whine here, but nobody will give you a convenient answer | 22:20 |
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| GAN900 | Mr_Rixa, not if you set it to 900/900. | 22:20 |
| trx | 200 mA is what n900 can provide via usb | 22:21 |
| vi__ | I have a problem with my n900 | 22:21 |
| trx | a usb stick doesnt use that much | 22:21 |
| vi__ | the volume keys no longer turn the volume up and down | 22:21 |
| trx | so calculate yourself.. | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1250mAh *4% * 60 = mA you need to draw from battery to get that result in real | 22:21 |
| vi__ | however they still zoom in browser and xterm | 22:21 |
| vi__ | so it is a software error | 22:22 |
| vi__ | can anyone sugest why my volume keys dont work and how i can fix it? | 22:22 |
| vi__ | anyone? | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | spiritd: trx: if you do that math, you can see easily it will be more current than battery could theoretically provide continuously | 22:24 |
| vi__ | is the volume keys controlled by dbus? | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, try same test with a freshly charged 100% battery, and you'll see sth like 65% in one minute | 22:25 |
| trx | yeah | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | so YES, it *is* bme confusion and nothing else | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | it's also global warming DocScrutinizer | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and gremlins | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and abill_uk's ghost | 22:26 |
| trx | pr1.4 too | 22:26 |
| trx | :) | 22:26 |
| vi__ | mohammedag, you know about the finer points of maemo | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | volume keys are F4 and F(3/5, can't remember), they're simply captured by the status applet, if not, they fail to do anything except pass F4 and the other key | 22:26 |
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| vi__ | oh shi... | 22:26 |
| vi__ | oops | 22:26 |
| vi__ | lolingtons | 22:27 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: you mean f6/f7 | 22:27 |
| vi__ | I attempted to remap F1-F10 to ctrl+alt+number keys | 22:27 |
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| vi__ | perhaps that has buggered it up | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet it did | 22:27 |
| vi__ | another question | 22:28 |
| vi__ | is the email applet closed source? | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | applet yes, app no | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, wanna bet? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | applet? never seen any for mail | 22:28 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: no, but i'm really confident | 22:29 |
| vi__ | is the size of the applet hardcoded? | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I put my money on jerio | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio | 22:29 |
| kerio | ^_^ | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can easily find out in xchat's keybindings | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | I got my money on alterego's code :p | 22:30 |
| Mr_Rixa | GAN900: but then I would have a good pocket warmer ;D | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe xchat code is borked | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | calling the key F6 but actually testing for F4? | 22:30 |
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| MohammadAG | lemme check | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | I might be mistaken anyway | 22:31 |
| trx | ha | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it might be F5/6 | 22:32 |
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| trx | nice idea, for my code editor | 22:32 |
| trx | change font size via volume buttons :) | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | F7/8 in xchat? | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | alteregoF4 and F5 are the volume keys btw | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-12-22.log.html#t2010-12-22T15:12:01 | 22:33 |
| * MohammadAG pets his memory again | 22:33 | |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I know .. :P | 22:34 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, do I have to use "" to point out it's a quote? | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | it's what you said | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | "<alterego> F4 and F5 are the volume keys btw" | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | happy? :P | 22:35 |
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| alterego | :) | 22:36 |
| alterego | Yes, and thank you | 22:36 |
| RST38bis | heya alterego | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | that'll be 50 bucks sir | 22:36 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, collective mgedmin memory is awesome :) | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | indeed, but what's a mgedmin? :P | 22:37 |
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| vi__ | ? | 22:38 |
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| RST38bis | !mgedmin | 22:38 |
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| MohammadAG | ~factinfo $50 | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | in xchat it's F7 and F8 anyway | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so maybe even alterego is wrong? or xchat source is wrong? | 22:39 |
| RST38bis | hmmm...7 windows open, still operable | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, alterego's code works | 22:40 |
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| MohammadAG | tested it in some app | 22:40 |
| RST38bis | xchat? who is invoking its spirit from the Abyss? | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: xchat works as well | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even the "change page 1" and "change page -1" cmds mapped to F7 and F8 | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you were wrong | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser/blobs/master/mainwindow.cpp#line125 | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 22:43 |
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| MohammadAG | at least in the IRC logs you were, your code was right though | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | // Swap +/- keys intentionally. The VOL+/VOL- keys are located physically | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | // on left/right and up/down in landscape/portrait orientation. | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | key <FK07> { [ F8 ] }; | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | key <FK08> { [ F7 ] }; | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | less /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | kids! | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | F7 and F8 in code above | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | no need to less anything | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who cares about code? it can be wrong | 22:51 |
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| pipnuk | the US embassy in baghdad takes 1.2 billion dollars a year to run | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I suggest to close it for 4 weeks and pass the money saved to me :-P | 22:55 |
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| ieatlint | sorry, we'd rather spend a billion dollars on a foreign country with oil than $10 on you | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* I knew he'd say that | 22:56 |
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| ieatlint | you should see our plans for canada | 22:57 |
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| ieatlint | few seem to realize how much of our oil comes from the great white north... we already violate their sovereignty, might as well finish the job and save a few more bucks | 22:58 |
| pipnuk | oh canada! | 22:59 |
| pipnuk | speaking of which how are the linux drivers for ati nowadays? | 23:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders when break-even will happen, and from then on war in oil exporting countries costs more gasoline than it earns you | 23:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | can't take long till we reach that point | 23:01 |
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| pipnuk | um... ..... been that way for 20 years | 23:02 |
| pipnuk | mercantilism is about special interests, not general interests | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | esp since it's not just the oil needed for gasoline for F16 and ships and tanks and shit. It's also the coal used to produce the steel for those weaponry instead of replacing oil in heating and energy, and whatnot else | 23:03 |
| pipnuk | yep | 23:04 |
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| ieatlint | we just need to find places that won't resist us as much | 23:04 |
| ieatlint | i think canada is an excellent choice | 23:04 |
| ieatlint | or we could invade the falklands, that seemed simple enough | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I've espoused the simple solution (for the UK) of ramping nuclear power up 20 fold. | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Putting all fixed loads (heating, industrial process heat, ...) onto electricity. | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Leaving only the transport fleet on oil. | 23:05 |
| ieatlint | we're *finally* starting to look at nuclear again here in the states | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Which we can do a large slice of from internal UK resources. | 23:06 |
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| ieatlint | people here freak out about the risk of an accident, what to do with the waste, and how to pronounce the word "nuclear" | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | And then trying to move to radiocatalathermogenic hydrogen for the rest. | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: Simple solution - centralise it. I suggest the Centralised Uranium Based Area. | 23:07 |
| ieatlint | CUBA? interesting .. | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: There is already even a convenient location already named. | 23:07 |
| ieatlint | i like that solution | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: only until your fish from mexican gulf not only tastes like oil but also replaces your incandescent bulbs | 23:08 |
| ieatlint | i can't speak with any real amount of knowledge on the topic, but i've been told that due to the age of our nuclear power plants (all dating back at least 30 years, often more), they follow a less efficient process that results in more waste | 23:08 |
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| Juozapas | hi is is possible to install ncmpcpp on maemo@n900 ? | 23:09 |
| ieatlint | and then people get all pissy about the transport of the waste (despite the fact they use vehicles that you could shoot RPGs into and the nuclear waste would never leak), and where it ends up ultimately -- often in the middle of the nevada desert in an old mine | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly, the amount of waste is irrelevant by now. You got no proper way to deal with what's there already, and you don't increase risk a lot by multiplying that heap of ticking shit | 23:10 |
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| ieatlint | yes, and it's also a joke when you look at the visible health effects of our current system versus the hypothetical and extremely unlikely effects of a system that is proven effective in countless countries | 23:11 |
| ieatlint | and even now, a significant portion of our power comes from nuclear -- just extremely aged plants | 23:11 |
| ieatlint | maybe the simpsons didn't help :P | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, John Average US citizen lived in a comic strip all his live ever since, no need for Simpsons | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | Haha | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | It always seemed to me esp US Gvmt thinks real live is like A-team | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | Elie Wiesel was just in the store. | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | We talked about the weather. . . . | 23:14 |
| ieatlint | i'm also intrigued by the new nissan leaf electric car.. 100mi/160km range, all electric | 23:15 |
| GAN900 | Meh | 23:15 |
| GAN900 | Electric cars are too boring. | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, yeah. Tesla | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | extremely boring | 23:15 |
| ieatlint | 8h charge on 220v, or reportedly 30min to get to 80% charge on a special 500v charger | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: I have _SERIOUS_ objections to subsidisng them. | 23:16 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but the nissan leaf costs about $20k + 9.5% tax here | 23:16 |
| ieatlint | and gets you in the HOV lanes | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: Why the fuck should the rich get subsidies from the poorer. | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever that means | 23:16 |
| ieatlint | tesla is incredibly expensive, and won't reach full production until 2013 i think | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hovercraft lanes. | 23:16 |
| ieatlint | :P | 23:17 |
| ieatlint | high occupancy vehicle (or "diamond lanes", "carpool lanes")... lanes that are restricted to vehicles with X people in them to reduce traffic congestion | 23:17 |
| ieatlint | electric cars here can use them freely | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Juozapas: I don't even know what that is | 23:18 |
| derf | Also motorcycles. | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Juozapas: if it's a SW then obviously you can install it if somebody made an installable pkg for maemo (or a universal pkg if it's platform agnostic). But maybe it's some HW even? | 23:20 |
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| Juozapas | its a music player for mpd | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~dict mpd | 23:23 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'mpd' Message Preparation Directory | 23:23 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, it also limits technological development to whatever idiotic shit the government can think up. | 23:24 |
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| smoku | AFAIR Music Player Daemon | 23:25 |
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| smoku | something like XMMS2 | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: yes. Another annoyance is I can only install solar/wind solutions from a registered provider. This costs around 10* real costs. However - they then subsidise the generated electricity to a stupid extent. | 23:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | non-subsidised would pay back for me in ~4 years. | 23:29 |
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| GAN900 | Government should stay out of places it's too corrupt and incompetent to be in. | 23:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's fundamentally a good idea. | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Subsidisng to a mild extent solar. | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | As it reduces the need for foreign exchange to buy oil. | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas government is too corrupt and incompetent to stay out | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | But then it gets into lobbying from the solar installers who want to insure they get work. | 23:33 |
| trip0 | DocScrutinizer, +1 | 23:34 |
| smoku | GAN900, electric cars boring? +1. IMO the future is LHG | 23:34 |
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| smoku | you drive to the gas station, fill a tank with hydrogen in 2 minutes and there you go... | 23:35 |
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| GAN900 | I want nuclear powered cars. | 23:36 |
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| smoku | first we need to invent cold fusion :) | 23:37 |
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| * SpeedEvil has a nuclear power source next to his genitals. | 23:37 | |
| GAN900 | Really, though, I'd like something that has the primal appeal of internal combustion. | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Tritium++ | 23:37 |
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| ZogG_work | http://maemoworld.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BF%D1%82-Nokia-N9-1.jpg | 23:38 |
| ZogG_work | http://maemoworld.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BF%D1%82-Nokia-N9-2.jpg | 23:39 |
| ZogG_work | nice n9 concepts | 23:39 |
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| trip0 | concepts... meh. gimme the real deal! | 23:39 |
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| smoku | GAN900, there are some steam-powered concept cars in the making :) is that appealing? :) | 23:45 |
| mece | yay verily yay | 23:47 |
| mece | FINALLY got something working | 23:47 |
| mece | :) | 23:47 |
| mece | i got that little led to blink blue :) | 23:47 |
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| ZogG_work | MohammadAG: your bar can be activeted while phone call? | 23:49 |
| ZogG_work | as well it turns on while screen is locked too =) | 23:50 |
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