IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-12-22

pupnikprobably not00:00
weeeedaris there a way to play .mkv including h264? i read mplayer should at least play it slow, which it doesnt here00:00
luke-jrweeeedar: even my desktop PC can't play h26400:00
weeeedarwhy is that?00:00
pupnikbecause it demands incredible resources to decode00:01
luke-jrdunno, h264 codecs suck?00:01
wmaroneweeeedar: you can, extremely slowly, if you reencode the video to something much lower resolution. you miss out on dsp acceleration00:01
weeeedarthe resolution is low00:01
weeeedarstandard definition00:01
weeeedarjust the container sadly is mkv :/00:01
nox-hm is there nothing like vdpau for mobiles?  or is that all done on dsp?00:01
wmaronemkv isn't relevant, since it's just a container00:01
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luke-jrnox-: the DSP *is* like vdpau00:02
luke-jrnox-: and vdpau is a Windows thing00:02
nox-mm ok00:02
nox-well linux/freebsd too00:02
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luke-jrnox-: not really00:02
luke-jrI'm not aware of Linux having any vdpau support00:02
nox-it does00:02
comawhiteblah i can't get unlimited web with t-mobile :(00:02
nox-with nvidia blobs00:02
luke-jrnox-: that's not Linux anymore00:02
comawhitethe other service i can get unlimited web just no 3g00:02
luke-jrit's nVidia blobs00:02
nox-haha ok00:02
luke-jrcomawhite: …00:03
nox-now i get you :)00:03
comawhite?00:03
luke-jrSimplyMobile never answered my inquiry00:04
luke-jrcomawhite: did you get SM?00:04
comawhiteluke-jr, SM no 3g00:04
weeeedarhm dsp acceleration is necessary for resolutions below 720p?00:04
luke-jrcomawhite: nonsense/00:04
luke-jr?00:04
weeeedareven my old touch diamond plays these files just fine00:04
comawhiteluke-jr, What phones work on Simple Mobile 3G? Only phones with 1700/2100 AWS band work on our 3G network.00:04
comawhite3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 210000:05
comawhite=[00:05
luke-jr00:05
nox-n900 cant use those freqs?00:05
comawhiteidk much about cell phones00:06
luke-jrnox-: pretty sure it can, he's just being retarded or smth00:06
nox-mh00:06
comawhiteluke-jr, ^^00:06
comawhiteim inept about cell phones00:06
luke-jrcomawhite: SM says 1700/2100. N900 says 1700/2100. WTF IS THE PROBLEM?00:06
comawhiteI was looking at AWS00:06
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pupnikjavispedro: touchscreen in upstream dosbox is still a mess00:33
javispedropupnik: and I know why. It's just unfixable without potentially patching applications.00:33
pupnikok i thought you told me it was fixable :O00:33
pupnikthat's what i thought too00:33
javispedroyou mean the miscalibration one?00:34
pupnikwell i just tried angstrom's and it's not usable with some apps00:34
pupnikah well, such is life00:34
javispedro remember this  thread? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=4242300:34
pupnikdos was never meant for mouse00:34
pupnikoh good explanation00:35
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pupnikwhat else is new00:36
pupnikbtw yes it's fixable00:36
pupnikuse it as a dpad and click with a button00:36
pupnikheheh00:36
javispedro:)00:36
javispedroyou are right, and it might work better that way on a ugly capacitive screen00:36
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pupniksettable in dosbox.conf too00:37
javispedroalso00:37
javispedrogames that use cutemouse or similar mouse driver could theoretically be fixed00:38
javispedrowindows too.00:38
javispedroof course this excludes the large set of propietary/unknown mouse drivers.00:38
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pupnikhow many cycles were you getting in 286-386 type apps?00:39
pupnikbefore sound break up?00:40
javispedrohum00:40
javispedrodo not remember right now =)00:40
javispedrotbh I usually don't leave auto mode00:40
javispedroworks well enough for me (usually all audio I want is beeeep)00:40
weeeedardo you know GameGripper, and what do you think of it?00:41
weeeedarhttp://www.game-gripper.eu/buy_n900.aspx00:41
weeeedartheres a video, too. cant find it right now00:41
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GAN900Good way to wear out your keyboard.00:41
GAN900Be better if it were Bluetooth.00:42
weeeedaras for bluetooth you can just use a wiimote oder sixaxis00:42
pupnikhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_piXE8lFEABo/TRAsS7XZ0II/AAAAAAAAA-c/jN_AvphDLdM/s1600/tumblr_ldqhq6rijY1qc3wjlo1_500.jpg  speaking of which00:42
weeeedarbut this thingie doesnt need any batteries00:42
javispedropupnik: in year 2010, you just take the N900 and go outside to play ;)00:42
pupnikmhm00:43
pupnikand maybe in 2011 even pandora00:43
weeeedarlol00:43
RST38hpandora? is it out?00:43
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pupniksure a few hundred are00:44
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chxThe first 4000 units are currently in production, over 900 are already delivered. If all goes well, the 4000 units will be delivered until the end of December.00:46
* MohammadAG stabs pandora00:47
pupnik_chx: that's not correect00:47
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MohammadAGI thought it was a meego device when I glanced at the channel00:47
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chxpupnik_: i copied it from their website....00:47
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pupnik_well it's  outdated00:47
chxBut let's congratulate them for creating an ever more niche Linux handheld than any of the Nokia Internet tablets!00:47
chxthat certainly takes a lot of effort...00:47
pupnik_i congratulate them for persistence00:47
javispedros/niche/open00:48
pupnik_javispedro: just ran pandora snes on my tablet today :D00:48
javispedroand.. is it better? :)00:48
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pupnik_no, it's very slow00:48
javispedrooh00:49
pupnik_something weird is happening - but it does run]00:49
pupnik_i mean, the binary00:49
pupnik_actually runs on the archos00:49
javispedroTHE ACTUAL PANDORA BINARY?00:49
pupnik_yes00:49
javispedrono armv7 instructions? O.o00:49
javispedronot even uxtb??00:49
pupnik_not talking about pocketsnes - sorry this is their snes9x version00:49
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pupnik_sdl backend, C code, no asm cores00:50
javispedrobut something's weird00:50
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javispedrothe optimizer is doing a horrible job00:50
javispedroiirc and the part I'm thinking of is common between pocketsnes and snes9x00:50
pupnik_i also just ran a maemo5 binary on the tablet today :D00:50
pupnik_hmm00:50
pupnik_i haven't looked at it in too long00:51
RST38hvanilla snes9x will be very slow on an arm00:51
RST38hnot designed for low-power architectures00:52
pupnik_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsGFinU22zA  maemo5 binary on my archos00:52
javispedroobjdump -d drnoksnes | grep -c uxtb ---> 768 matches00:52
pupnik_RST38h: lots of look-up tables?00:52
javispedroand that's only one single armv7 instruction00:53
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RST38hpupnik: Don't remember00:53
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RST38hpupnik: Just pretty sloppy code from what I remember. Lots of memory accesses.00:53
javispedrostupid renderer also00:53
RST38hanyway, sleep time00:54
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javispedrocya RST38h00:54
jacekowskiwell, lot of memory accesses to same place in memory will hit cache anyways00:54
pupnik_pupnik@archos-gen8:~/snes$ objdump -d snes9x | grep -c uxtb00:54
pupnik_175600:54
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javispedroaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah00:54
javispedroarchos tablet00:54
javispedrosorry, thought n8x000:54
pupnik_ah noewp00:55
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pupnik_cu RST38h00:55
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javispedrotablet still pretty much means n8x0 to me =)00:56
pupnik_wonderful how i don't lose my shell when i disconnect usb-network and reconnect it later00:56
javispedrohehe00:56
crashanddie_alterego: ping00:56
alteregocrashanddie_: pong00:56
crashanddie_alterego: how do I get Qt Creator to not show warnings on #include <glib.h> ?00:57
alteregoHrm, what kind of warnings?00:57
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MohammadAGalterego, see other chan00:57
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pupnik_i'm seriously considering cutting my mattress in half and rotating the ends so the sunken-middle effect goes away00:58
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alteregoHeh01:00
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javispedropupnik_: btw, I also used a bad example, as uxtb is on armv6 actually =)01:06
pupnik_well it answered your question01:06
javispedromostly :)01:07
pupnik_i should try your build and strip out hildonness01:07
pupnik_\no.. other things to do01:07
javispedroit should be very easy01:07
javispedroit's been ported to the webos01:08
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javispedroalso, on the webos drnoksnes runs more roms :) (seemingly maintainer there decided the asm cores were not that important and disabled them)01:08
javispedrobut that's another story..01:09
pupnik_hahah01:09
pupnik_do you still have a simple renderer in there?  that just uses X?01:09
javispedrouses SDL01:09
javispedroyes.01:09
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pupnik_kk01:10
javispedrothere's a configure script even :)01:10
pupnik_wow, you went all-out01:10
pupnik_what's interesting to you nowadays?01:11
javispedrowell, not really concrete lately01:11
javispedros/really/anything01:11
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pupnik_i'm afraid same01:12
javispedroit's christmas01:12
pupnik_read a little about SSE and how people speed up code with that01:12
javispedrolast thing I'd want is a timesinking project :)01:12
pupnik_it's impressive what people do01:12
pupnik_yeah01:12
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FIQHey javispedro, jttl_audio.so @ m64p is yours?01:24
javispedroFIQ: no, why?01:25
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FIQjavispedro, because someone said you had the best of the plugins in the forums01:46
FIQWhatever, guess i'll go and google it up01:46
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javispedroFIQ: he was probably talking about pa64; if you got it from extras you probably have it already, and it does not make an important difference01:48
javispedros/got it/got mupen64plus01:48
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comawhiteluke-jr, well i have SM , had to pay $8501:49
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pupnik_http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=33129   maemo/mer on gen7 archos01:57
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comawhiteanyone having trouble with msn haze in conversations? I can't seem to sign in02:10
comawhitebut aim and fb does02:10
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comawhitefinally got gps02:12
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comawhitei love my n900 :D02:34
comawhitetoo bad it's going to be weird to use an irc client on it02:34
valeriusNcomawhite: xchat works just fine on it for me ;-)02:35
comawhitewell xchat isn't native either02:36
comawhiteim writing my own irc client so yeah02:36
* valeriusN just tried hostmode-enabler gui yesterday. flash disk and mouse work just fine ;)02:36
comawhiteit will have a native interface02:36
valeriusNcomawhite cool02:37
comawhitehow long does it take to charge an almost dead battery?02:37
valeriusNcomawhite: I like MIRGGI on symbian -- very comfortable to use (but one minus -- it cannot reconnect when connection is lost)02:38
comawhiteah02:38
comawhitescreenie?02:38
comawhitei plan to support both landscape and portrait mode02:38
valeriusNcomawhite: yes, very comfortable on a small screen02:39
weeeedarthere is a solution for irc inside conversations in i think extras devel02:39
comawhiteuser list/server list and channel list all have their own view and it will scroll and have sexy look to it02:39
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comawhiteweeeedar, well mine will be a full blown out irc client with scripting/possible plugins, adium themes, etc02:40
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weeeedarhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-idle/02:40
comawhiteyeah i know02:40
weeeedarscripting api sounds nice02:41
weeeedarwhat will it be like?02:41
* valeriusN bought my n900 two weeks ago, first thing I did I bought a bigger battery from Mugen Power -- yesterday I had 12 hours of GPRS, now disconnected and it's still alive in stabdby mode02:41
comawhitewell it has a desktop one, it's being ported to the n90002:41
comawhitebut the desktop is kde, n900 will be Qt only02:41
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comawhitevaleriusN, i have two batteries02:41
comawhitei just need to get up and plug it in02:42
comawhiteweeeedar, well all views will have their own, scrollable, theme able chat area, multiple servers, multiple identies, scripting, plugins (maybe depending if demand for it), music controller, systems script, full customisable02:43
comawhitewill support landscape and portrait mode02:43
weeeedarbefore i got my n900, i always thought i NEED a full irc client02:44
valeriusNcomawhite have only two times charged/discharged the battery, now I used it for 1 day with active use (12 hours of GPRS and wifi with web browsing and continuous hanging on irc)02:44
weeeedartry jabber on your n900, even MUC is supported02:44
weeeedarmulti-user chat02:44
weeeedaran irc-plugin in that way would be great02:44
valeriusNcomawhite: for two batteries it need to be switched off to exchange them :(02:45
valeriusNcomawhite: music controller? cool, I want to use a nowplay :-)02:45
weeeedarthat would be awesome :D02:46
weeeedarshouldn't nowplay already be possible using xchat?02:46
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comawhitevaldyn, yeah if you want it will display whatever you are listening on your phone to the channel02:47
valeriusNweeeedar yes, you can to enable an irc transport in jabber, and you'll be able to use irc together with SMS, very cool feature ;)02:47
weeeedaroh02:48
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* comawhite is installing firefox02:48
comawhite:>02:48
comawhitei hope it doesn't suck02:49
weeeedarhow does that work? would it be possible to talk to irc-channels if transported through jabber?02:49
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timeless_mbpso, conversations in 1.3 does support skype group chat iirc02:52
timeless_mbpbut i'm not quite sure how they did it02:52
* timeless_mbp doesn't use it02:52
timeless_mbp(or i could be imagining things)02:52
weeeedari currently have to use skype, irc, jabber, and icq to stay connected to my people -_-02:53
weeeedarwhy an' just everyone use ONE protocol..02:53
weeeedar*can't02:53
timeless_mbpemail? :)02:53
valeriusNweeeedar: I don't know yet -- I am new to jabber (I used irc for the long time), but enabled an ICQ transport. Now I use ICQ through jabber server -- nothing is needed from jabber client, all is made on server side. I didn't yet tried an IRC transport for jabber but think it is enabled likewise02:53
jacekowskianybody tried that serial streaming in columbus?02:54
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weeeedarFeatures02:55
weeeedar    * Every IRC network should be supported.02:55
weeeedar    * A user can have many rooms open on different networks02:55
weeeedaroh great02:55
weeeedarfinally irc group chat in conversations through jabber :D02:56
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ds3903:08
b-man`803:14
Noma703:14
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b-man`damn you! xD03:18
weeeedar^^03:18
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comawhitei can do pc suite with my phone in windows 703:26
comawhiteit just won't connect03:26
comawhitethen i get insufficent power to charge03:27
comawhiteblah lemme reboot03:27
valeriusNcomawhite: if you want to charge -- try connecting a charger not a PC cable -- it has more power03:28
valeriusNcomawhite: I used PC suite with n900 in win7 x64 -- it works03:28
weeeedarworks here, too (win7 x86)03:30
weeeedaranyone ever tried to transfer mp3s through that ovi suite?03:31
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weeeedarhad to do it 5 times, some files were always skipped with a random error03:32
valeriusNweeeedar it is more convenient to install openssh on the phone and copy through scp ;) and faster, I think03:34
weeeedardue to n900s huge capacity transfering mp3s was a one-time-action :D03:35
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weeeedarmy library is only 27gb ;)03:35
SpeedEvilI rsynced my n900 prior to flashing03:37
valeriusNwweeeedar: then it is better to copy them through USB MSD :)03:37
SpeedEvilI was worried that rsync said some files couldn't be read - so I retried03:37
SpeedEvilIt was going into sys and proc03:37
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weeeedari usually use usb msd, but being completely new to that ovi suite, i thought hey lets give it a try03:42
weeeedarand i got disappointed as expected ;)03:42
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SpeedEvilOn a related matter.03:43
SpeedEvilI have 'backup'03:43
Maceruhm03:43
SpeedEvilIf I backup and then restore onto another n900, is the restore the union of all conversations03:43
SpeedEvilor does the restore wipe the old03:43
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comawhitebloody hell nokia pc suite won't connect :(03:50
* FauxFaux tries the hostmode stuff through a terrible usb hub instead of a female->female adaptor and just gets stack-traces in dmesg.03:50
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weeeedarany errors on the driver in device manager coma?03:51
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comawhiteweeeedar, bunch of yellow icons03:53
comawhiteusb obex, usb generic and usb modem03:54
weeeedaryellow exclamation mark icons?03:56
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comawhiteyes03:56
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weeeedarwhats the error code?03:57
comawhiteidk03:57
comawhitei haven't used windows in a long time03:57
comawhitexD03:57
weeeedarit should display the code upon click on the device03:57
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LantiziaLo any ideas if I can get the N900 to dial a prefix before any number? (without editing all my phone book)03:59
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comawhitewell now it's doing it04:00
comawhiteblah iono wtf is going on04:00
weeeedarperhaps you could export your phonebook to a format readable by common texteditors and use replace for +23 to x+2304:01
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comawhitehmm taking forever to download these drivers04:07
Lantiziaweeeedar, (without editing all my phone book)04:08
weeeedaryeah, thought you excluded that option because of the manual work behind it.04:11
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javispedroyet another crazy rumour: microsoft to launch windows nt for arm in CES04:44
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comawhiteis it possible to set custom ringtones for contacts?04:50
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comawhitei need to figure this fm transmitter out05:27
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comawhitefm-boost didn't seem to have any effect05:28
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johnxcomawhite, try pointing the N900 in a different direction :)05:29
comawhitei got a better signal in the cigarette tray lol05:30
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comawhitebut still has some static in it05:30
johnxtry sitting in the passenger seat instead of the driver seat :)05:32
comawhiteany other tips because I ran fm-boost but it just closes right after05:32
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johnxnothing really. it works for me really well in some cars, i need to hold it at funny angles in others. and in some cars it doesn't work well at all05:40
luke-jrcomawhite: $85? why?05:41
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luke-jrthey finally replied to my email, confirming that they were ridiculously high prices if you wanted anything other than 1 line05:42
luke-jrwho pays $120/mo for 2 lines?05:42
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comawhiteluke-jr, $60 month, $25 for sim card05:49
comawhitejohnx, got it working over the rearview mirror05:50
comawhitebut i have no windshield mount :(05:50
comawhiteworks perfectly with my mp3 player05:50
comawhites fm radio05:51
comawhitei'll just find a cass with the wire to use05:51
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comawhitei thought i had to have headsets in? it complains if i do05:52
luke-jrcomawhite: erm, the site says $13 for 2 SIM05:53
comawhitewell i didn't buy it there05:53
comawhiteoh well05:53
luke-jrfail05:53
comawhiteit's okay05:53
luke-jrNewEgg has 1 SIM for $10 :p05:53
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comawhiteblah apparently the fm-boost script failed because it only shows 112 not 11805:58
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comawhiteyeah that fm-boost ain't having no effect06:15
SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter#Typical_Range06:15
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comawhiteyeah'06:21
comawhitei guess im sol06:21
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johnxcomawhite, where is the antenna on your car?06:23
comawhiterear left side06:24
johnxon the roof? trunk?06:24
comawhiteside  of trunk06:24
johnxah. yeah, if your n900 is below the dashboard it'd have to transmit through the body of the car :|06:25
johnxdo you have a pocket in the center console behind the emergency break06:26
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comawhiteyeah it works great with very little static if it sits on the rearview mirror06:26
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johnxah, yeah, I meant try standing it up in the center console pocket, like usb port pointing straight up (or down)06:31
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* SpeedEvil wonders if there is a market for an external FM booster.06:32
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SpeedEvil(a clip-on antenna)06:32
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comawhitedidn't you have to use headphones for the transmitter06:32
johnxhow about stereo bluetooth receiver that re-transmits as FM06:33
johnxheadphones for the receiver, no headphones for the transmitter06:33
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comawhitei don't have bluetooth in the stereo, it's stocked :(06:33
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johnxright, so something that receives bt from the N900 and transmits FM :)06:36
johnxI have the stock tape+FM stereo in my 96 subaru, with a broken tape deck :)06:37
comawhiteblah tmobile internet won't work :(06:38
comawhiteblah06:38
ds3how about hack the subaru to add an aux in?06:38
johnxds3, I'm one of the only people in the world with a perfectly working FM transmitting setup :)06:38
wmaronehacking stock stereos is so hard :(06:38
ds3oh bah :P06:38
ds3the fm xmitter is too weak06:38
wmaronestupid custom harnesses with no documentation06:39
johnxhey, I waited *years* to have anything but radio in my car :)06:39
ds3the subaru harnesses are documented06:39
wmaronelucky06:39
johnxyup, but I don't need it. I'm totally happy with my FM transmitter06:39
ds3would you be interested in upgrading to a Subaru branded unit with a CD ? :D06:40
johnxbut my antenna is on the roof on the driver side, sticking out at an angle, so it's pretty much ideal condition06:41
ds3this is the legacy right?06:41
johnximpreza wagon (technically: USDM 96 subaru impreza outback sport 5spd)06:41
ds3think the antenna arrangement is the same on the legacy... wonder why the FM xmitter is no good for me06:42
johnxthicker body panels?06:42
johnxI set my N900 on the passenger seat with the USB port pointed forwards06:42
ds3must be, cuz I can get it do something if I hold it on the window or put in the ashtray06:42
johnxany other position isn't great in my car, and if I lean across the path between the antenna and the N900 I get static06:43
ds3I wonder how well would a T on the antenna feed line work06:44
johnxyou need something like a TV roof antenna :D06:45
ds3I mean add a T to the antenna feed line going into the radio06:46
ds3so it can pick up stuff inside the car06:46
johnxI know some cars actually have the antenna built into the windshield06:48
johnxI bet that'd work great06:48
ds3get one and try it? :D06:49
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Termanagood morning07:27
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crashanddie_hang on, I shouldn't be here09:32
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Pradeepgood morning09:44
Pradeephello everybody09:44
pupnikhi09:44
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alteregoGuten Moaning09:55
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Pradeepalterego, how are you today10:03
alteregoNot bad, :)10:03
alteregoPlanning out the day.10:04
Pradeepguess u must preparing for work soon10:04
Pradeepdo you hv a screen protector10:04
Pradeepfor your fone?10:04
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fralsdont see a need for screen protector, been using this n900 for 6months and still not a scratch :<10:07
alteregoNo, but I d,o have some scratches :)10:07
fralschipped the bevel thou :<10:07
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alteregoYeah, done that too.10:12
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Pradeepfrals, what is the secret10:13
Pradeepor do you use a phone wallet10:13
fralsuh, i generally try to avoid having it in the same pocket as my keys10:14
fralsthats about it10:14
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Pradeepcos mine has small scratches here n there10:15
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fralsi remember seeing some of those on my other device during the summer but its not bright enough for them to be visible now ;D10:17
fralsand they were only visible if you held it in some weird angle towards a bright light so, yeah10:18
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Pradeepk10:18
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Pradeepi would look for a fine wallet when i go to the city10:19
pupnikgiven the cost of such devices, a case/wallet isn't a bad idea10:20
Pradeeppupnik, you know it is not at all10:21
Pradeepspent much getting mine10:21
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Pradeepalmost 500$10:21
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pupnikwipe or clean your hands / thumbs before typing also Pradeep ..10:22
pupniksmall amounts of dirt in the fingertips will abrade the key coating10:22
fralsyeah, the key coating is.. less than excellent -_-10:23
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Pradeepmy battery is some issue i dont knw10:25
Pradeepit drains out easily too10:26
RST38hThat issue is called "smartphone"10:26
alteregoMy keypad is fine. I must have exceptionally clean fingers. :)10:26
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pupniksucking your thumbs does keep them clean10:29
Pradeeppupnik, lol so do u advice that nw10:30
Pradeepi would just get a clean wallet rubber i guess10:30
alteregoHeh10:31
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pupnikhappy wednesday10:37
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alteregoHappy Wednesday to you too :)10:37
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xkr47you too!10:39
Pradeepu too10:40
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alteregoWell, another app released into the wild.10:41
alteregoThink I'll start working on a Qml based personal finance app.10:42
pupnikwhat did you just release alterego10:42
alteregoColumbus10:43
alteregohttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=90187110:43
pupnikcool10:48
rcganyone experienced with python bindings, especially libhildondesktop?10:48
pupnikbeautiful alterego10:48
rcgtrying to create a status area plugin which shall replace the clock using python10:48
rcghttp://pastebin.com/NSAAxuA110:48
crashanddiesup10:49
rcgthough, i get a strange error10:49
Termanayello crashanddie10:49
rcgthe call -> self.set_status_area_widget(self.drawingArea)    works fine10:49
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rcgbut ->  self.heartbeat_signal_add(0, 1, updateCallback, self.drawingArea, None)    yields in an AttributeError: 'TestPlugin' object has no attribute 'heartbeat_signal_add'10:50
crashanddiewhat's the Qt Creator package I need so that it includes the maemo cross compilation stuff?10:50
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alteregocrashanddie: Nokia Qt SDK10:50
rcglooking at python-hildondesktop-0.1.0/libhildondesktop/hildondesktop.defs there should be "heartbeat_signal_add" for objects of type StatusPluginItem10:51
alteregocrashanddie: otherwise, the latest qt creator and install madde separately then configure qt creator.10:51
Termanaalterego, finally got it out. But I suppose you decided against using it to make money10:51
alteregoTermana: yeah10:51
crashanddiealterego, nha, I'll get the Qt SDK10:51
rcgor even /usr/share/pygtk/2.0/defs/hildondesktop.defs10:52
alteregoTermana: I was dragging my feet with it and didn't get all the features I wanted in, in time. So I though fsck it, I'll do a prelim "tech preview" like release yesterday10:52
Termanaalterego, still keeping the source closed?10:53
alteregoNo, it's completely free10:53
alteregoI'll be sticking it in git eventually.10:53
Pradeepok10:53
TermanaUnder what license?10:53
alteregoBut you can get the source archive from extras :)10:53
alteregogpl10:54
Pradeepalterego, are u programmer10:54
alteregoPradeep: indeed10:54
crashanddiePradeep, please use "you"10:54
alteregoHeh10:54
crashanddieI can't believe I'm saying this10:55
crashanddiebut 1.1MB/s seems slow.10:55
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alteregocrashanddie: O_O10:55
crashanddiealterego, well, I'm downloading 500MB, and it's like taking a whole 6 minutes!10:55
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alteregoKI live with 239KB/s10:55
Termana1.1mb/s is the new dial-up10:56
Termana:( and I'm on it10:56
Termana:p10:56
alteregoYeah no sympathy from here :P10:56
alteregoMy internet is about 2Mb connection through 3G on my N90010:56
crashanddiealterego, well, my N900 download at 3MB yesterday in a burst!10:56
crashanddie[23:29:18] <crashanddie_> Fetched 10,0MB in 3s (2.9MB/s) --> is that even possible for the N900?10:57
* alterego debates going to sleep or getting out of bed.10:57
crashanddiego to sleep10:58
alteregoDon't know. not via 3G I don't think10:58
alteregoIt's almost 9 in the morning ..10:58
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crashanddieoh, then get out of the bed you lazy sod and make coffee10:58
Choomeven via 3G, assuming that compression is involved10:58
Choomjust like you could download at 8k/sec with a 56k modem10:58
crashanddieI remember downloading at 16k/s10:59
crashanddieon a 56k modem10:59
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crashanddieeverything was corrupted10:59
ChoomI meant without corruption :P10:59
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Choomjust ppp compression10:59
Choomit was quite common to download iso9660 at those speeds11:00
alteregoGot quite a bitHahah11:00
alteregoweird11:00
alteregoI've got quite a bit to do todayl11:01
ieatlintso people i spoke about getting those magstripe readers... i've got an additional 10 of them... i'll disperse them next week, when i have some time off work and won't have to wait in a xmas line at the post office11:01
ieatlintalterego: this includes you :)11:01
crashanddiealterego, seems what I downloaded only has Qt Creator11:01
crashanddiealterego, components: qt creator and qt development libraries11:02
crashanddieis madde included in the dev libs?11:02
alteregoCool, a couple of people have requested maritime maps in Columbus. Might look into that :)11:02
alteregoErm, the "Nokia Qt SDK" should have madde built in.11:03
alteregoWhat did you download?11:03
alteregoieatlint: cool, no rush :)11:03
crashanddieqt-sdk-linux-x86_64-opensource-2010.05.1.bin11:03
alteregoShould have it then11:03
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alteregoyeah, probably is in dev libs11:04
cos^does anyone know if the developer device devices have any kind of warranty?11:05
alteregocos^: 4 weeks afair11:05
cos^mine is having charging problems (= usb connector going to break?)11:05
alteregoProbably11:05
alteregoSounds like a possibility.11:05
cos^sounds like i'll have to solder it myself11:06
alteregoYeah :/11:06
* alterego contemplates breakfast11:08
alteregoRight, gonna have a shower bbiab11:08
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crashanddiealterego, nope, didn't include madde :(11:09
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TermanaI tried to download Rapier the (Christian) bible reader for Maemo.11:12
TermanaBut it didn't work - I think it was a corrupted archive11:12
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alteregoWhere would you say the proper place to put in shared libs that are intended to be plugins for an app?12:04
alteregoI'm thinking /opt/usr/lib/appname/plugins/*12:04
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lardmanor under share12:16
lardmanperhaps?12:16
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_trineis anyone around who around who could give me a bit of help, I have just removed the power kernel from my N900 and now it wont boot anymore12:21
_trineit tries to boot but only ever gets the the nokia page then it starts over12:22
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lardmansounds like something went wrong12:22
lardmanwhich instructions did you follow to remove it?12:23
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_trinenone I just used the uninstal program in the phone12:23
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lardmanoh, as I think you also need to remove the kernel modules and then re-install the old kernel + kernel modules12:24
lardmanit may be that the uninstall scripts do this, but I don;t know12:25
_trinehow can I get it to boot again12:25
lardmanI guess you'll need to send over the old kernel via the flasher and see if that boots12:25
_trineis there a way12:25
lardmanor rather send over the kernel you just removed12:25
_trinecould you give me some links please12:25
lardmanwell you'll have to extract the kernel from the package12:26
lardmanand flasher12:26
lardman~flasher12:26
infobot[flasher] http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher12:26
_trinecan I do this in linux12:26
_trineor do I need windows12:26
lardmanyes12:26
lardmanno windows needed12:26
_trineI have just opened the link you gave me12:27
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lardmanso I guess you should try -l for load and also give it the path of the kernel with -k12:29
_trinemy linux is 64 bit12:29
lardmanso is mine12:29
lardmanlibusb problem?12:29
lcukalterego, depends on if plugins are specific to appname12:31
_trinethe instructions say 64 bit is not supported but I guess the 32 bit flasher will still work ,, am i correct12:32
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lardmanyes12:32
lardmanassuming you have the 32bit libs scattered around12:32
lcukmorning lardman \o12:32
lardmanmorning lcuk12:32
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alteregolcuk: well, yeah they are.12:33
alterego(at least they're intended to be)12:33
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lardmanalterego: not sure if it's correct, but the mBarcode plugins are in /usr/share/mbarcode/plugins12:33
alteregolardman: well, the location is kind of arbitrary. But that's not optified, which is bad.12:34
alteregoBut yeah, it's a toss up between /usr/lib or /usr/share12:34
lardmanwell plugins are small12:34
alteregoSure12:35
alteregoBut still :P12:35
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lardmanyou have to draw a line somewhere12:35
alteregoIf you're going to optify an app, do it properly ..12:35
lardmanotherwise we'll just have /bin, /sbin, /etc and /lib on root12:36
alteregoIt's bad enough we have to install things onto the rootfs even with optification :)12:36
lcuklardman, is /usr/share/mbarcode symlinked to /opt ?12:36
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lardmanI doubt it12:37
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scaporHi. Is it a known problem the microb geolocation extension doesn't work anymore? When I visit a site that asks for geolocation, I choose "accept" but after that the GPS isn't started and the site says something like "location not available". When I have another app lock the GPS on beforehand, the same thing happens.12:39
scaporAnyone knows?12:39
lcuklardman, if you are storing it on rootfs12:39
lcukyou will be marked down at the extras-testing gates12:39
lardmanargh!12:40
_trinelardman, the flasher will not install on my computer dpkg: error processing maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb (--install):12:40
_trine package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)12:40
_trineErrors were encountered while processing:12:40
_trine maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb12:40
lcukin preinst, I setup the folders and symlink12:40
lcukfrom similar to you12:40
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lcukso that even tho code thinks its talking to /usr/share/liqbase/*12:40
lcukits actually all optified12:40
lardmansure, I'll have to do some more buggering around with the packaging then, great!12:41
DocScrutinizermorning lcuk, lardman12:41
lardmanthanks for telling me mind you lcuk :)12:41
lcuklarryeah, sorry!12:41
lardmanhi DocScrutinizer12:41
lardman_trine: I think there was a static binary somewhere, or you just tell dpkg to ignore the arch12:41
lcuklardman, I had the complication that it all has to be done from the library package!12:41
lcukall the liq* apps dont know anything about optification12:41
lcukthey just add to /usr/share/liqbase as before12:42
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scaporDoes geolocation work for you guys in microb? It works in Opera here but not in microb ...12:42
lardmanyep, better to only change in one location12:42
lardmanscapor: give us a site to test12:42
lardmanlcuk: hopefully the next device won't have the rather parsimonious root flash size12:43
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alteregoSo you both prefer $PREFIX/share/appname/plugins over $PREFIX/lib/appname/plugins?12:43
scaporlardman: http://www.google.com/maps/m12:43
alteregoDocScrutinizer: you're an LSB fanatic, where do you think plugin shared objects should go? :)12:44
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lardmanscapor: not found12:45
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scaporlardman: you mean ...? You couldn't access teh site on your n900 or the location was not available?12:45
_trinelardman, I am going to do it on my windows 7 laptop I have just installed the flasher12:45
alteregoDocScrutinizer: $PREFIX/{lib,share}/$APPNAME/plugins12:45
lardmanseems it doesn't like my browser ident12:45
alterego?12:45
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_trinelardman, could I just flash a new complete image,, there is noting I need to save on the phone12:46
lcuklardman, yeah well that was partly why I chose the method I did12:46
scaporlardman: on microb, it should ask you to share your location12:46
lardmanno, that url with the extra m doesn't work12:46
lcukI did not want to keep switching to different variations12:46
lardmanwithout the m it asks me, and it starts the gps12:46
scaporanyone else knows about troubles with geolocation in microb ?12:46
scaporlardman: on n900 pr 1.3 with microb?12:47
lardmanyes12:47
lardmanworksforme but not on your first url, I get re-directed away from that12:47
lardman_trine: yes definitely12:48
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lardman_trine: sorry I thought you were needing to recover it12:48
_trinelardman, no I just need to get back to a working phone12:48
lardmansure, flash the pr1.3 image12:48
_trineok I have set the phone to flashing mode as per the instructions12:55
alteregoNow to package ..12:56
_trinenow I need to find the right image12:56
lardman_trine: if you're still under Windows you should be able to automatically download it with the UI flasher tool12:56
lardmananyone know whether QDir::entryList() returns filenames with paths or without?12:56
_trineah how do you do that12:56
lardmanhttp://europe.nokia.com/support/download-software/device-software-update?n900=#12:57
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lardmanotherwise the FIASCO image is available directly, but I don;t know the url off the top of my head12:57
lardman~pr1.312:57
infobotwell, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update12:57
lardmanshould be a linky in there somewhere12:58
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lardmanhmm, names are relative to the QDir13:02
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alteregoHrm, okay, this might take a little more refactoring to fix deps :/13:04
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alterego"Thanked 367 Times in 118 Posts" I guess that's not a bad ratio :D13:08
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fish_stickscan you tell me how I can access my Downloads in my File Manager through my X-Terminal?13:21
fish_stickswhere is it located?13:21
fish_sticksanybody?13:22
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jacekowskiMyDocs13:23
jacekowski/home/user/13:23
jacekowski/home/user/MyDocs/.downloads iirc13:23
fish_sticksokay.thanks13:23
fish_sticks=)13:23
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fish_stickshow do I run a ./configure becoming a super user?13:26
fish_stickssudo gainroot doesnt work13:26
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jacekowskiin first place13:27
jacekowskiyou don't have compiler on a phone13:27
phellarvjacekowski: I did.13:28
jacekowskiand no autotools13:28
jacekowskibut he doesn't13:28
phellarvHihi13:28
fish_sticksso what do I do?13:28
fish_sticksneed Qt for my N90013:28
phellarvfish_sticks: apt-get it13:29
fish_sticksapt-get what?13:29
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fish_sticksapt-get qt?13:29
fish_sticksapt-get install qt?13:30
phellarvWhat part of QT do you want?13:31
fish_sticksneed to check out meego on N90013:31
fish_sticksso I'm not too sure what I have to put into it13:31
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phellarvhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N90013:33
fish_sticksphellarv: not the image13:33
fish_sticksjust to run my test apps on a remote device13:33
phellarvhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Installing_MeeGo_on_N90013:33
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fish_sticksits the same link =S13:34
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alteregoWow, I'm actually suprised that worked ..13:35
phellarv"Installing_MeeGo_on_N900" <--- Wasn't it this you wanted to do?13:35
fish_sticksdont want to install meego on n90013:35
fish_sticksjust want to try my apps in them13:35
auenferr, mfe on modest syncs spam and all mail folders?13:35
phellarvSoooo?13:35
fish_stickshttp://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Creating_Hello_World13:35
auenfbut can you disable some folders from syncing?13:35
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fish_sticksphellarv: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Creating_Hello_World13:36
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phellarvfish_sticks: So you want to test an app on Meego, but do not want to install Meego on the N900?13:37
fish_sticksexactly.13:37
fish_sticksthat's possible right?13:38
phellarvUhm - Not quite. You're presenting a contradiction in terms.13:38
phellarvBut you probs can run it in a VM on your PC.13:38
phellarvI do not how to do that, but it's probably possible13:39
fish_sticksbut then there will be a problem with the size and stuff right?13:39
fish_sticksphellarv: when I run test using Qt-Creator,it finds the arm architecture(N900)13:39
phellarvfish_sticks: As I wrote - probably possible - but I have no knowledge on how.13:40
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fish_sticksbut then it tells me Qt 4.7 is not installed in it13:40
MohammadAGupdate to PR1.313:40
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phellarvMohammadAG to the rescue.13:40
alteregoHey mohammad :)13:40
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fish_sticks=)13:40
MohammadAGhi alterego, phellarv :)13:40
fish_stickshow do I know which is the current version?13:40
MohammadAGdpkg -l mp-fremantle* is a way13:40
MohammadAGSettings > About product is another13:40
fish_sticksokay13:41
fish_stickswill check13:41
MohammadAG20.2010.36-2 is latest13:41
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fish_sticksmine is 20.2010.36-213:41
MohammadAGthat should have Qt 4.713:42
fish_sticksflashed it about a month back or so13:42
fish_sticksbut my Qt Creator says it doesnt =13:42
MohammadAGdpkg -l libqt4-core13:42
fish_sticksokay13:42
fish_sticksit says 4.713:43
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fish_sticksso that means its there right?13:43
MohammadAGyup13:43
fish_sticksbut Qt Creator doesnt detect it13:44
fish_sticksit detects the architecture and the kernel13:44
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fish_sticksbut tells me it doesnt have Qt 4.6.2213:44
fish_sticks*.4.6.213:44
fish_sticks**4.6.213:45
fish_sticksMohammadAG: http://pastebin.ca/202617913:45
MohammadAGfish_sticks, hmm13:48
MohammadAGfish_sticks, got mad-developer?13:48
fish_stickswhat's that?13:48
MohammadAGit's a helper for Qt Creator13:49
fish_sticksgoogled it.got it on my laptop but not on my N90013:49
MohammadAGalso, is the Qt Creator running the 1.3 sysroot?13:50
fish_sticksits qt creator 2.0.113:50
fish_sticksinstalling mad-developer on the N90013:51
fish_sticksMohammadAG: still nothing13:52
fish_stickssame error13:52
MohammadAGwhat sysroot do you have?13:53
fish_stickshow do I check that?13:53
MohammadAGwhich host OS?13:53
fish_sticksmy laptop's a Fedora 1413:53
MohammadAGoh cool13:53
MohammadAGumm13:53
MohammadAGdid you install Qt Creator as root or as user?13:53
fish_sticksum...root i think13:54
fish_sticksdont remember honestly13:54
alteregoMohammadAG: just spent the morning splitting my columbus tree into: librxsupport, libcolumbus, columbus, columbus-plugins13:54
MohammadAGtry ls ~/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/13:54
fish_stickschecking13:54
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alteregoIt all worked quite smoothly :D13:54
MohammadAGalterego, yay, should it make it harder for me to coordinate the source :P13:54
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fish_sticksMohammadAG: dont have a folder like that13:55
fish_sticksmy qt creator's in /opt/meego13:55
MohammadAGthen it's for MeeGo not maemo?13:56
alteregoMohammadAG: it's been quite a nice learning experience of more advanced .pro usage :)13:56
fish_sticksyeah.its for MeeGo13:56
MohammadAGyou need the Maemo sysroot13:56
fish_stickssysroot meaning?13:56
fish_stickson the N900?13:56
MohammadAGhttp://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html13:56
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fish_sticksMohammadAG: how is that going to help me?13:57
MohammadAGit should include the sysroot13:58
fish_sticksbut its not for Fedora13:58
fish_sticksno wait13:58
fish_sticksthat's fine13:58
MohammadAGit's OS independent afaik13:58
fish_sticksso you mean to tell me I have to use this for MeeGo?13:58
MohammadAGthat's for Maemo13:58
fish_sticksthe link you sent me is for maemo?13:59
MohammadAGyes13:59
fish_sticksokay13:59
MohammadAGalterego, layouts? Please? :P13:59
MohammadAGalterego, actually, sec13:59
fish_sticksI know I shouldnt be asking this here...but...so what do I use for MeeGo?13:59
alteregoMohammadAG: yes, I've got you penned in this afternoon ;)13:59
fish_sticksI should have MeeGo on my N900, MohammadAG13:59
fish_sticks?13:59
MohammadAGalterego, any ideas if it's possible to remove widgets from the layout, then add them, and all that while the N900 is doing the rotation animation14:00
alteregoMohammadAG: I don't remove, I hide() :)14:00
MohammadAGfish_sticks, Qt 4.7 is on both Maemo and MeeGo, so unless you have some specific code, they should run the same14:00
MohammadAGalterego, well, that's what I'm doing right now14:00
lcukMohammadAG, do you have atest build or just a set of side by side screenshots14:00
MohammadAGalterego, but that means I'll have to  use two widgets ;)14:01
fish_sticksbut the problem is that when I run the emulator,it fails to detect Qt on my N90014:01
alteregoOh,14:01
lcukfor the awesome maemo community media player :)14:01
fish_sticksthat's the primary problem14:01
MohammadAGlcuk, UI is almost exactly the same, but sec14:01
alteregoMohammadAG: I'll have a look in a bit once I've finished this rafactoring.14:01
MohammadAGlcuk, do you want the binary nicolai sent me? (It's the same as crashanddie's source atm)14:01
lcukMohammadAG, yeah I know14:01
lcukhmm no I will wait for binaries14:02
MohammadAGhttp://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer :)14:02
MohammadAGthat's a binary14:02
lcuki am immensely pleased you lot have started this btw :)14:02
MohammadAGsource is on gitorious14:02
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lcuki saw last night MohammadAG14:03
MohammadAG:)14:03
lcukwould be an interesting post for some blog minded person to do to show teamwork from everyone14:04
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alteregoWell, that's what we're about isn't it? :D14:06
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lcukyep alterego :)14:09
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MohammadAGnaw crap14:11
MohammadAGI just got the WinXP vm set up14:11
MohammadAGinstalled guest additions, and it went blank14:12
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comawhiteim having trouble with mounting my phone, it's only giving my cities, DCIM, Mac OS and autorun.inf, I can't access anything else14:44
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Loomhi14:46
Loomi really cannot find the f1 f2 ... f10 keys on n900 keyboard14:48
comawhiteah he problem is I have to access my music from /media/Nokia\ N900/.sounds -_-14:48
comawhitedamn hidden directories14:48
Loomuse filebox or midnight commander14:49
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comawhiteon the phone or in linux itself?14:50
Loomon the phone14:51
comawhiteLoom, jave you tried using the up arrow key in the onscreen keyboard?14:51
comawhiteits on the bottom lower left corner14:51
comawhitei have to use it to access > key =[14:52
Loomwhat if i don't use the onscreen keyboard?14:53
Loomthere is no way to activate them from the keypad?14:53
comawhiteafaik no, but then again im still playing with my phone14:54
comawhiteunless it's tat Sym button + 1 button14:54
comawhitewtf I get bad encoding on files14:54
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comawhite"Liebe ist für alle da"14:55
comawhite:S14:55
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MohammadAGjacekowski, hmm, no way of expanding a vdi file?14:58
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alteregoI should really stagger my responses to keep my ANNOUNCE thread in "Active Topics" on tmo ..15:01
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Venemoalterego: no, you shouldn't15:01
Venemoalterego: because you are competing with my ANNOUNCE thread! :P15:01
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alteregoTeehee, what's yours?15:03
Venemoalterego: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6713915:03
Venemoalterego: and you haven't even gave me a Thanks! yet... despite I did for yours! :P15:04
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alteregoI didn't know it was yours :P15:04
alteregoOh wait,15:04
alteregoYEah, that's awesome.15:05
alteregoI must have missed the announce :(15:05
alteregoThere you go, doned it :P15:05
Venemoalterego, no, I linked it to you on IRC the moment I made the thread, and you said 'cool'... now you say you missed it :P15:05
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alteregos/missed/ignored/15:06
alteregoHah15:06
Venemohehehe .D15:06
Venemo:D15:06
alteregoSorry, I've been quite busy :P15:06
alteregoRefactor finished http://pastie.org/private/r8oqegmly9qyuxll0erd6w15:06
Venemowith your own thread, I see :)15:06
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alteregoI am now a .pro pro ^.^15:07
alteregoOne global project that builds 6 seperate projects15:07
alteregoNow to debianize15:08
Loommeh noone knows where the f1 ... f10 are?15:09
VenemoLoom: wut?15:09
alteregoI know where F4 and F5 are ..15:09
VenemoLoom: what's the question?15:09
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Loomi cannot find the f1 ... f10 keys in my n900 keyboard15:11
VenemoLoom: there are no such keys on the N900's keyboard15:11
VenemoLoom: at least my N900 doesn't have them!!! :D15:12
alteregoF4 and F5 are the volume keys btw15:12
MohammadAGalterego, volume keys? :P15:12
alteregoMohammadAG: ;)15:12
Venemoalterego, that's a surprise :)15:12
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alteregoLoom: the only way you'll get proper Fn keys is with an external Bluetooth or USB keyboard :)15:12
VenemoLoom: you can always edit your X keyboard map to add a combo for the F keys you need. see the "Remapping the keyboard" article on the Maemo wiki15:13
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Loombecause both htop and midnight commander using the f keys i assumed they existed15:14
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, troll detected on hostmode thread15:15
DocScrutinizer51hmm15:16
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DocScrutinizer51so what?15:16
MohammadAGHis name starts with Matan15:16
VenemoMohammadAG: kill 'em15:16
VenemoLoom: well I'm sorry15:16
MohammadAGagain with the USB Host mode kills your USB, but OC does not kill the CPU15:16
VenemoMohammadAG: link pls15:16
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DocScrutinizer51IDIOT15:17
MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=902020&postcount=57815:17
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* MohammadAG would joke about .de vs .co.il, but.., nvm15:18
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DocScrutinizer51IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT15:19
VenemoLoooL15:20
Venemothis guy is totally nuts15:20
DocScrutinizer51meh, couldn't bother less to feed this troll15:20
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VenemoI fed him a little, but just because I can laugh at his response15:21
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Venemobtw, with the "no more nokia devices for me) slogan in his signature, he could just go and bugger off TMO15:22
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: could you please answer that N900 is like one year old, OC is even much younger, and OC isn't supposed to make CPU *explode* but rather will significantly reduce the lifespan, so It's up to anybodies guess whether a 1.2GHz OC'd device will start to act up after 2000hours of aircrack or Mwhile true; do :; done' or after 1000h or after 100h15:26
DocScrutinizer51and the unconfirmed claim there are no devices known that suffered from OC degradation is missing a single important word : YET15:27
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DocScrutinizer51N900 cpu clock has been chosen to guarantee over 2 years of constant *usage* (means loads above idle)15:29
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DocScrutinizer51doubling max CPU clock to 1.2GHz won't half but rather make that figure a hunderedth15:30
DocScrutinizer51maybe even 1/100015:30
iDontDocScrutinizer51: At higher clock speeds, the used current reported by the bq27x00 module goes up, even when (substantial) lower voltages are set (on-chip SmartReflex hardware if I'm right?). Isn't that enough prove that OC'ing will wear your CPU at a much higher  rate? I've tested this with a simple shell script + nbench in offline mode a while ago (when you responded to my PM about OC'ing if you remember :)15:31
iDontHaven't overclocked since then15:31
DocScrutinizer51this is a known and almost as well understood fact as max plug rounds of a USB15:31
iDontbtw I don't know about the realiability of the current_now interface, but even if it's off, it still goes up considerably15:31
phellarvDocScrutinizer51: So basically - It qould crash and burn instantaniously? ;-P15:31
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phellarvs/qould/would15:32
fluxdocscrutinizer51, the thing is, nobody appears to know how long time the device actually operates as 1.2GHz15:32
DocScrutinizer51iDont: yes15:32
fluxdocscrutinizer51, as nobody runs that kind of loops in real-life-use, or if they do, it's likely a bug15:32
iDontI appear to have lost the file with the resultst, but IIRC the used current at 1000mhz was in the high 2000, low 3000 range. At stock speed it was aroundf ~170015:33
flux(and I personally wouldn't mind having an app that kills apps that do that. they eat the battery.)15:33
DocScrutinizer51flux: that's the whole point15:33
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iDontWell, not current, but the number current_now outputted :P15:34
fluxdoesn't the kernel actually keep track of how many seconds are spent in which power saving level, or is that only during the running of powertop?15:34
alteregoflux: if it doesn it'll be under sysfs15:36
alteregos/doesn/does/15:36
infobotalterego meant: flux: if it does it'll be under sysfs15:36
alteregoI don't remember seeing it personally though ..15:36
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SpeedEvil /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state15:44
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SpeedEvil //sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpuidle/*/time15:46
SpeedEvilflux:15:46
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: thanks15:46
DocScrutinizer51I pondered to create a "N900 OCers CPU wear Odometer' app15:47
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DocScrutinizer51unit 500MHz-seconds15:48
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DocScrutinizer51so the meter would go up 1/s @500, and correspondingly maybe 3/s @600, 10/s @800 etc15:49
iDontDocScrutinizer51: If you're really gonna make something like that: maybe add an option to monitor avarage current between when the user clicks start/stop? Should be easy to do and is really convincing (it convinced me at least).15:50
DocScrutinizer51could use proper algorithm from wiki EM, and actual values from BQ27200 etc15:50
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iDontjust a suggestion15:50
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DocScrutinizer51iDont: sure, planned as much15:51
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iDontDocScrutinizer51: Nice :)15:52
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crashanddielcuk, frankly, I don't want to start blogging about it just yet15:52
crashanddielcuk, delayed gratification, etc15:52
DocScrutinizer51well dunnoif I ever can be arsed to really do it, just to get flamed for it15:52
iDonthehe, it's your spare time, so do as you wish15:53
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khertanHello16:01
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Loomdude remaping keyboard doesn't look easy16:01
Loomhi16:01
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jukhi, if i ignore pop up to update software, can i do it later from root; apt-get update/upgrade ?16:01
alteregojuk: it'll popup every day16:02
jukhi, if i ignore pop up to update software, can i do it later from xterm, by:root; apt-get update/upgrade ?16:02
alteregoBut yes, you can16:02
jukalterego: so same thing?16:02
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jukalterego: in ubuntu it is same16:03
alteregoYEs, normal debian stuff16:04
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jukalterego: thanks16:04
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lardmanhmm, I'm having some curious QString problems16:23
DocScrutinizernever do "apt-get (dist-)upgrade" !16:23
lardmantrying to copy from one to another I get sigill, and trying to use one of them I get a segfault, but somehow the data can be printed via qDebug()16:23
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lardmanI guess that means that something about the QString is broken, memory corruption16:24
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DocScrutinizer51I guess that means Qstring is an object and can't be handled like a usual string16:25
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lardman?16:26
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lardmanyeah it's not just a char array16:26
DocScrutinizer51exactly16:26
Venemolardman: show me the code16:26
VenemoQString is an array of UTF-16 characters btw16:27
Venemoplus, it contains some convenience features16:27
DocScrutinizer51not even that16:27
DocScrutinizer51it an object consisting of a datatype like you say, and some methods and properties16:28
lardmanhttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt-plugins/PythonQTPluginWrapper3/pythonqtwrappersink.cpp?root=maemo-barcode&view=markup16:28
lardmanfn @ line 13616:28
VenemoDocScrutinizer51: well it's not an array in reality, but it can be understood as one16:28
Venemolardman: checking16:28
DocScrutinizer51qstring.value maybe is that UTF16 array16:28
lardmanif I uncomment lines 142 & 143 I get sigill, as it is atm I get a segfault16:28
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lardmandoh, well I'll get a segfault anyway because those lines are commented16:29
lardmanso that explains that16:29
VenemoDocScrutinizer51: QString has an operator[] that allows to access it as such16:29
DocScrutinizer51yes16:29
DocScrutinizer51that's all OO voodoo16:29
khertanI ve a question for package expert16:30
DocScrutinizer51overcharging operators etc pp16:30
khertanwhy a postrm script put is executed after the update and not after the remove of the old version and the install of the new one ?16:31
Venemolardman: I see no problems in the code, the segfault is not from QString that's for sure16:31
khertans/-put16:31
pupnikto sell phones in the USA you have to give operators some nice way to rip off their customers that Apple and Google haven't invented yet16:31
pupnikcorrupt collapsing culture16:32
alteregobbl16:32
pupnikthey'll push the crack for you...16:32
DocScrutinizer51or was the term "overloading"? even "overriding"?16:32
khertanstupid maemo package web promoter16:33
khertanpffff16:33
VenemoDocScrutinizer51: the term is "operator overloading", and it's a feature of C++16:33
lardmanstrange, almost as if my class object has been broken - hence the sigill when I try to copy QStrings and the segfault when I try to use the existing values that are part of the class16:33
VenemoDocScrutinizer51: "override" is the term which you use when you re-implement a virtual method of a class16:33
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DocScrutinizerlardman: you're aware of that web page of Qt HowTo about QStrings, which I remember I've seen "years ago"16:40
* RST38h quietly suggests using char * instead16:41
khertanor python unicode and avoid QString ...16:42
khertan.. :)16:42
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RST38hAny class that uses hidden memory allocation is suspicious, if not evil16:45
derfIt's more fun when you pass objects of that class by value as parameters.16:46
DocScrutinizerlardman: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7/qstring.html#details and http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7/implicit-sharing.html might gelp16:46
lardmanDocScrutinizer: thanks, but afaict it's not a feature of the QString to get sigill when copying it16:53
lardmanso  I'm guessing something's trampled on the class object16:53
DocScrutinizernot really X-D16:53
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comawhitewhere can i get an xvid codec?16:54
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pupnikOne of the main differences in cultures that have excellent health records versus those that don’t is the number of servings of fruits and vegetables eaten in a day.17:02
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DocScrutinizeryeah, vegetables and fruits frequently are rather toxic, especially when cultivated in countries with low standards regarding pesticides17:04
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DocScrutinizertopmost example: the oh-so-healthy green salad which has just same nutrition value as a paper handkerchief, but significantly more toxic nitrates17:06
* DocScrutinizer ponders to eat a paper handkerchief with his latte macciato17:08
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RST38hIT MOR CHIKIN17:09
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RST38h(moo)17:09
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DocScrutinizeryou know the sory about those asian immigrants at London who suffered malnutrition despite they ate the same vegies they also knew from their home? It turned out the vgies in UK were *too clean* and so the immigrants missed all the B-vitamins they had with the soil and bugs and worms in those vegies at home17:12
DocScrutinizers/sory/story17:12
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DocScrutinizermoo RST38h17:13
SpeedEvilAlso - white rice17:14
pupnikwow DocScrutinizer17:14
SpeedEvilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriberi17:15
pupniki wish our bodies had meters for exactly what we're missing17:15
DocScrutinizeryou got a good meter: your appetite17:15
DocScrutinizeryou just mustn't ruin it17:15
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pupnikwith junk food eh17:15
SpeedEvilYour body is really poor at determining what it needs.17:16
SpeedEvilIn many cases17:16
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SpeedEvilAt least - with a non-natural diet17:16
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DocScrutinizeryep, that's the point17:16
pupniki can sometimes sense a craving for fruit - i think17:17
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pupnikjust concerned about diet since i'm kind of snowed-in with no meat17:17
DocScrutinizereeeew17:17
SpeedEvilpupnik: Fail.17:17
SpeedEvilpupnik: Get a freezer.17:17
pupnikwell i could actually go out and get some17:17
* SpeedEvil has ~3 months of reasonably nice food.17:18
pupnikSpeedEvil: ++17:18
SpeedEvilAnother ~3 of meh.17:18
pupniki'm down to the meh17:18
DocScrutinizerhmm, I should definitely check which turkish restaurants are open Fr,Sa,Su17:18
crashanddieSpeedEvil, actually, I think the body is very good at determining what we need17:18
crashanddieSpeedEvil, we just suck at understanding what our body tells us17:18
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SpeedEvilcrashanddie: Of macronutrients - perhaps, to a degree, and salt.17:19
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: Much else - no.17:19
crashanddiewell, lack of salt will give you massive headaches17:19
SpeedEvilYou don't get any sensible signals of a selenium deficiency.17:19
crashanddieI can assure you I do, and a few members of my family have as well17:20
crashanddiethis summer, pretty hot, been sweating a reasonable amount. Because a family member was taking some medication that prohibited salt, we all kinda cut out on it17:20
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crashanddiefor 3 days, I had a migraine so strong most over-the-counter medication couldn't kick it17:20
crashanddiethen, I went to Paris, had salted crisps for lunch, and the migraine disappeared in matter of minutes17:21
SpeedEvilUmm17:21
crashanddieand that's just one anecdote, I've had that happen quite a few times, usually in hot climates where I sweat a lot17:21
SpeedEvilI said salt you do get signals for17:21
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SpeedEvilNot for many important trace elements.17:22
DocScrutinizerI just wonder why sometimes I feel an urge to eat things like slaw or raw tomatoes, which I both hate. When I think about it, it's frequently after a period of bad eating habits17:22
DocScrutinizeralso can be cured by a multivitamin pill17:22
SpeedEvilSure.17:23
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DocScrutinizerdunno if it's selen deficit, but for sure it's more complex than salt deficit17:23
DocScrutinizerprotein deficit also very definitely detected by my appetite17:25
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pupnikIt's time to put the spiked tires on the mountain bike.17:27
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DocScrutinizerquite quiet17:59
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penguinbaithey lcuk, saw this and thought of you17:59
penguinbaithttp://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3614/500xemailandbacon.jpg17:59
DocScrutinizer:-D18:00
pupnikhahah18:00
penguinbaitI want a car with bacon too18:01
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dnearyre18:03
dnearyX-Fade, Ping?18:03
DocScrutinizer"It never rains in California..." ? Hmmm18:03
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DocScrutinizerlardman: g.m.o/proj/maemo-barcode registered 2008-07-17 12:17 --- DUH!18:08
MohammadAGlol Nokia's using the annoying orange xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqLHo8IQ7Cw&feature=feedu18:09
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OEXPLare the packages in the repo of Nokia n900 and maemo signed?18:11
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VenemoMohammadAG: lol at the video18:17
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lardmanDocScrutinizer: what's up?18:45
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MohammadAGVenemo, 4 more posts and you'll hit 1k!!!18:51
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Venemoyeah MohammadAG :)18:51
VenemoMohammadAG: but you have even more, and you have LOTS more Thanks!es18:52
MohammadAGVenemo, *checks*18:52
MohammadAGnah, 472218:53
MohammadAG4472*18:53
VenemoMohammadAG: that is almost 3 times the posts you have, hehe18:53
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MohammadAGlol @ ratio, Thanked 4,472 Times in 741 Posts18:54
VenemoMohammadAG: yep my ratio is nowhere near that18:54
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RST38hVenemo: you should post less.18:56
VenemoRST38h: hehe18:56
lardmanbbl18:57
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RST38hIn an effort to investigate the impact of the leaked diplomatic cables, the CIA have launched the Wikileaks Task Force, commonly referred to at CIA headquarters as 'WTF'.19:02
RST38hWTF indeed.19:03
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MohammadAGlol RST38h19:06
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MohammadAGmy N900 hit 68C, as measured by a thermometer19:09
lcukMohammadAG, o_O19:09
lcukwhat were you doing at the time19:09
lcukand which port did you shove the thermometer into?19:09
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MohammadAGbattery side :P19:13
MohammadAGlcuk, nothing, that's what's bothering me19:13
MohammadAGload averages are around 0.1019:13
MohammadAGthough I am using 3G19:14
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ShadowJK3G can use about 4 times more than the CPU :)19:14
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: I've had that temp - though it was in the sun at the time.19:14
MohammadAGand this gray part at the bottom of the screen is stretching longer19:16
lcukMohammadAG, were you charging?19:17
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MohammadAGno, connected to USB, battery full for hours19:18
ShadowJKThat kind of temperature rise shouldn't really be possible without consuming more power than USB can provide :)19:19
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VenemoMohammadAG: 68°C without overclocking?19:22
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VenemoMohammadAG: how is the temperature there? I mean, outside19:22
MohammadAGVenemo, yeah19:22
MohammadAG16 or sth19:23
VenemoMohammadAG: well then the N900 shouldn't be 68°C19:23
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ShadowJKI've never been able to make the CPU use that much ::/19:24
luke-jrShadowJK: while true; do true; done &19:24
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ShadowJKluke-jr, not even RC5 keycracking makes it use much19:25
ShadowJKlike it still lasts 2 or 3 hours doing that19:25
DocScrutinizer51UMTS19:25
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user__hi, if i press backspace in mplayer it shows speed 1x but how to in/decrease speed?19:26
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Guest15719Anyone gota a good headphone (Stereo BT preferred) advice, compatible with N900? I HATE (In bold and underlined) original ones as I already damaged 2 of them in a year, so durability matters.19:27
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user__wow19:28
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Venemouser__: no idea, maybe ask mplayer devs19:28
user__Venemo: maemo mplayer devs?19:28
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Venemouser__: possible19:29
Aranel_(Reposting from my original nickname, sorry for noise) Anyone gota a good headphone (Stereo BT preferred) advice, compatible with N900? I HATE (In bold and underlined) original ones as I already damaged 2 of them in a year, so durability matters.19:29
VenemoAranel_: I use a simple, cheap Thomson one, so probably not what you're looking for19:31
user__Aranel_: how did u damaged em?19:32
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Aranel_Venemo: well, I'm looking for exact quality (or better) but better durability.19:32
VenemoAranel_: Thomson HED86N is what I use.19:32
Aranel_user__: my first one lost sound on one channel, I repaired it with another 3,5mm jack, worked for a week, lost both channels.19:32
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VenemoAranel_: it cost about 1000 HUF (about €4) in a Tesco19:33
Aranel_user__: second one lost both channels, repaired it, lasted 1 day.19:33
crashanddieI have some shure headphones, and my drum headphones19:33
user__Aranel_: funny mine also lost sound on one ear19:34
Aranel_crashanddie: can you give me a model name? It would be better since I don't know anything about headphones.19:34
Venemoinfobot: are you a bot?19:34
Aranel_user__: well It's not that funny when it happens twice :p19:34
crashanddieVenemo, he is19:34
VenemoI kno19:34
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Venemowas just curious if he had something to say for this19:35
Venemo~botsnack19:35
infobotVenemo: aw, gee19:35
Aranel_anyway I'm done with Nokia headphones.19:35
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user__Aranel_: oh yeah, ofcourse, where did u buy n900?19:36
Aranel_user__: bought it from USA, I'm now living in Turkey.19:36
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crashanddieAranel_, just get a 60 quid sennheiser/shure aural headphone set19:36
crashanddieAranel_, can't really go wrong19:36
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Aranel_crashanddie: do you know Stereo BT ones? Maybe It would be better for me, since It looks like I'm good at damaging them :)19:37
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user__Aranel_: i thought because it's chinese as mine19:38
crashanddieAranel_, nope19:39
Aranel_user__: nope, I heard the same "my original headphone is not working" story from lots of other ppl.19:39
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user__Aranel_: i see, nokia to blame19:40
Aranel_Is there any way to know if a headphone is compatible with N900 or not?19:40
crashanddieAranel_, for the drumming, I've got a a pair of Ultimate Ears 700 (rehearsal), and I used to have some Ultimate Ears 7 Pro (custom built for my ear) but those got lost in all the moving19:40
user__Aranel_: try sticking in it19:40
crashanddieThe ultimate ears 700 probably go for something around 150 quid19:40
Aranel_crashanddie: Buy new: $199.99 $184.0719:41
crashanddieyeah, sounds about right19:41
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crashanddiethough, bear in mind it comes with something like 5 feet of cable19:41
Aranel_crashanddie: how about under $100 ones? :) $184 is a bit too much for me to buy.19:41
crashanddieAranel_, sennheiser and shure really provide good quality19:42
crashanddieI actually have some Sony ones I got in an airport that I use for the laptop at work19:42
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Aranel_crashanddie: do all sennheiser/shure units work on N900?19:42
crashanddieyeah, but no microphone19:42
RST38hjavispedro moo19:42
javispedromorning19:42
crashanddieAranel_, as long as it's 3.5mm, it should be fine19:42
crashanddieAranel_, though, just ask the salesperson to open it and test it19:43
crashanddieanyway, I gotta run19:43
Aranel_ok, thank you =)19:43
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Aranel_well I can't ask to the salesperson, I'm gonna buy it online :)19:43
user__Aranel_: oh i see y u cant sticking to test19:45
Aranel_yes, nobody here sells those headphones, I'm in a small city.19:45
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user__Aranel_: just checked my second ears, theres a n95 sticker, if it helps19:49
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user__@ears headphone19:51
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Aranel_user__: n95 sticker = made by nokia = no way.19:52
Aranel_:P19:52
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user__Maemo Mplayer guys they change code and want to remain unknown19:52
RST38hyes, they are evil19:52
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RST38hwhile you do not change the code but want to become known, I assume?19:53
MohammadAGRST38h, no, that's why he kept his nick as user19:53
Aranel_Ultimate Ears SuperFi 5vi Noise Isolating Earphones w/ Microphone How about this one? Anyone suggests/hates it?19:53
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ilceskhi19:55
ilceskciao19:55
ilcesk!list19:55
RST38hMohammad: Ah, true19:55
* javispedro ponders19:56
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javispedrowhy do I suddenly feel that aligoodidea and govprog are the same person on TMO?19:56
javispedrothey both tend to talk nonsense, post at similar timezones and usually thank each other for their nonsense19:57
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javispedro.... I guess I just described a random TMO user.19:57
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Venemojavispedro: nah. my favourite troll was PradaBrada, thank god he took my advice and went away20:12
* Aranel_ :P I raaaged about Nokia, and now I'm thinking of buying BH-214. And when it fails too, I'm gonna kill a random care point employee.20:12
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DocScrutinizer51is microb webkit-based?20:28
lcukdont think so DocScrutinizer5120:28
lcukbut IMBW20:28
nomisDocScrutinizer51: "The browser is Mozilla-based and uses the Gecko layout engine."  ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroB )20:28
DocScrutinizer51thanks20:29
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, gecko20:29
MohammadAGnvm :P20:29
DocScrutinizer51ok. I'm right, my friend is wrong. thanks @ all :-)20:30
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kwtmWow, the DocScrutinizer clones are up to 51 now?  :)  kidding20:40
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lcukkwtm, you think thats bad?  Mohammad01 is seriously pissed!20:44
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lardmanassuming that Mohammad01 hasn't actually been imbibing beverages of the alcoholic persuasion, /me despairs at seeing lcuk sucked into the USA-centric way of being pissed; call yourself a Northerner! ;)20:51
* lcuk hands in his northerner card20:52
lardmannoooo!20:52
lardmanand I'm a Southern Jessie and I don't want you to hand your card in!20:53
MohammadAGwho's Mohammad01? :P20:53
kwtmlardman: Well, if I were pissed, I'd be pissed, too! :P20:53
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lardman:)20:54
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lcukspeaking of pissed20:57
lcuktime to head for #meego-bar20:57
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lcuklardman, is the camera on n900 good enough to do simple spectrometry20:58
lcukto hold it up to a pint and have it tell you what it is20:59
lcukand alcohol content etc20:59
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alteregolcuk: unlikely, I was under the impression that requires ultraviolet bands?21:02
lcukalterego, IDK21:03
lcukjust for fun rly :)21:03
alterego:)21:03
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alteregoI think that smell sensor is more accurate anyway ;)21:03
alteregoThat Nokia research are working on in Cambridge :D21:03
lcukwheres link?21:03
lcukwhen we get fuel cells it will be better anyway21:04
lcukcan just pour beer in21:04
alteregoThink this is it: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/09/28/beyond-morph-a-vist-to-nokia-research-centre-cambridge/21:04
lcukand it will extract electricity and hiccup at you21:04
alteregoHahah21:04
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ShadowJKThere are funny scams on ebay21:07
ShadowJKPeople selling reverse fuel cells to hook up to your car21:07
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: Appropriate for christmas too!21:09
SpeedEvilHOHO21:10
ShadowJKgroan21:10
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pupniki think it's cool how lcuk anticipated how everyone wants to use tablets in 2010 with 'liqbase'21:11
keriohooray for lcuk!21:11
keriolet's bring bacon!21:11
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pupnik"small screen?  just pan a larger view-space"21:12
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pupnikthat deserves some recognition21:12
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-22 19:40:23] <kwtm> Wow, the DocScrutinizer clones are up to 51 now?  :)  kidding21:14
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-22 19:44:03] <lcuk> kwtm, you think thats bad?  Mohammad01 is seriously pissed!21:14
SpeedEvilwell - no21:14
DocScrutinizererrrrr WUT?21:14
SpeedEvilI was using my 486/75 laptop like that21:15
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, if you understand that, do ping me, I'm kinda lost too :P21:16
keriohmm... base 17?21:16
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alteregoCool, managed to trick qt creator into debugging my app :21:18
alterego:)21:18
alteregoHrm, okay, almost managed to trick qt creator into debugging my app ...21:19
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nox-moin21:26
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RST38hhttp://otvaga2004.narod.ru/xlopotov_8/2010_14/otvaga_szhatie_1_002.jpg21:40
RST38h[yes, that is exactly what you think it is]21:41
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lardmanRST38h: cool, I must come round to your place for a drive21:42
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RST38hlardman: not exactly here, but close enough (Ivanovo)21:47
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lardman:)21:49
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MohammadAGJaffa, ping21:51
Venemoeh.21:51
Venemoit is _hard_ to write on a touchscreen21:51
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RST38h30kg ruby crystal, separate powerplant driving the pump21:51
MohammadAGon a tablet, no, on an N900, maybe21:51
MohammadAGlcuk, knows more :P21:51
RST38hit is the hard plastic to blame mostly21:52
RST38hn810 is easier to write on21:52
lcukMohammadAG,21:52
lcukits more difficult to write on a tablet21:52
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lcukwell, a MT finger one21:52
MohammadAGlcuk, not on my old one, it had a digitizer :)21:52
MohammadAGthe wacom ones21:52
lcukyeah21:53
lcuk:)21:53
lcukthey have a stylus :)21:53
javispedrocapacitive -- argh!!21:53
lcukbut using it in day/day is harsh21:53
lcukjavispedro, its not so bad http://liqbase.net/20101123_003.jpg21:54
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MohammadAGjavispedro, those aren't capacitive :)21:54
javispedrowacom? I know21:54
MohammadAGoh, the new ones21:54
javispedrowhat happens to the new ones? did they switch to capacitive too? :(21:55
MohammadAGthe one lcuk has is capacitive I think21:56
MohammadAGI mean, last time I checked a tablet it was glass21:56
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javispedroI've seen active + capacitive tablets21:57
javispedrosound like a joke to me21:58
javispedrothey work with the bundled stylus, with a finger21:58
javispedrobut nothing else21:58
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* GAN900 continues writing his conference survey response.22:01
lcukGAN900, whats the link for that22:03
lcukand is this the official meego conference survey22:03
lcukbecause theres been a few flying around?22:03
ds3"too many chunks flying around, couldn't get anything use.'<Send> :)22:04
MohammadAGlcuk, I think it is, saw something along the lines of it from the mailing list22:04
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javispedrohttp://conference2010.meego.com/post-conference-survey22:05
* DocScrutinizer feels like wetware CPU is going down, as it's impossible to make any sense of the last ~50+ posts22:07
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javispedrowhich thread?22:09
DocScrutinizerthis chan?22:10
javispedro~reset22:11
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, reset is not influencing the message about the kernel on hyper terminal22:11
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DocScrutinizersounds about right and really more reasonable than some of the other statements22:15
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MohammadAGkinda cool http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67316 :D22:27
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alteregoWell, I can't be bothered to try and work out how to get Qt Creator to start a decent remote debugging session.22:30
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alteregoSo I'm just going to have to run it manually on the device.22:30
GAN900DocScrutinizer, did you catch the bit about the Lorax in the haberdasher's annex scheming with Robin Williams and the Grinch?22:31
alteregoMohammadAG: is that a KDE thing?22:31
MohammadAGalterego, scroll to the bottom22:32
MohammadAGPart of the KDE family22:32
alteregoYeah, looks like it.22:32
alteregoI guess I'm going to have to up-the-game O_O22:32
alteregoThere can be only one!22:32
* MohammadAG takes a gun and points at alterego 22:33
alteregoIt's alright, I don't care.22:34
alteregoOnce v1 is out of the way, I've got something very special for my v2 road map ;)22:34
* MohammadAG lowers gun, need to find someone who gets scared easily22:34
alteregoKind of strange how my plans for v2 were actually my initial major idea in the beginning.22:35
alteregoBut you'll see what I mean when I start working on it :)22:35
DocScrutinizerGAN900: should I use a junctionfet for that discrete instrumental opamp I plan to design for ANOMEEL phase 2?22:36
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, did you see the KDE app on the N900?22:37
DocScrutinizerno22:37
Venemowhat KDE app?22:37
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, Venemo <MohammadAG> kinda cool http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67316 :D22:38
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DocScrutinizerooh Marble22:39
DocScrutinizergot Marble on my taskbar on PC22:39
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Venemoseems good stuff22:39
alteregoI wonder if the desktop version will work with Columbus ;)22:39
DocScrutinizerfckng awesome22:41
Venemoalterego, does this stuff make Columbus obsolete?22:42
alteregoNope22:42
alteregoThey barely overlap in functionality to be honest.22:42
Venemoyup22:42
alteregoAbout the only thing they do that's similar is tell you lat an lon :)22:42
Venemothis stuff doesn't have a compass, nor the utilities yours provide22:42
alteregoExactly, mine is meant as a toolkit for the enthusiast.22:43
RST38hhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/12/22/sony-buys-back-toshibas-cell-plant-for-50-billion-yen-makes-a/22:43
RST38hCell continues delivering lulz22:43
alteregoAnd have profiles for sailing and flight.22:43
alteregoHahah22:43
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GAN900RST38h, yes, but it's cool! :P22:46
GAN900I still miss PPC.22:46
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* alterego sighs22:49
alteregoqt mobility location is being a pain in the ass again -_-22:50
alteregoIt's such a little b*tch22:51
lcukwrite out how and why its not as you expect22:51
lcukand file a speculative bug about it22:51
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lcukstart a discussion on the mobility ml22:52
lcukor in their irc22:52
lcuk:)22:52
alteregoI've been through it before, as have others.22:52
alteregoSometimes it just doesn't work.22:52
lcukwhat doesnt?22:52
alteregoIt doesn't startup liblocation22:52
alteregoSo you never get any data.22:52
alteregoOr something like that.22:53
alteregoIt's, well, delicate.22:53
alteregoI should probably debug it though tbh.22:53
alteregoBecause, when it happens, it never goes away.22:54
lcuk:)22:54
alteregoLast time I "fixed" it, by changing the order I called startUpdates() on the QGeoPositionInfoSource and the QGeoSatelliteInfoSource22:55
DocScrutinizerVenemo: MohammadAG: thanks :-D22:55
alteregoSo whatever it is, it's something probably unobvious, doesn't create an error and has something to do with linking.22:56
alteregoWhich doesn't make any sense to me :/22:56
alteregoIf only I had a working debugging environment O_O22:57
alterego(when it rains it pours)22:57
VenemoDocScrutinizer: for what?22:57
pupnikReporter to Bernanke: "What's the best thing about your job?"  Bernanke thinks a moment... "I don't have to go through airline security anymore."22:57
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RST38hNew Fennec beta is out22:57
RST38hpupnik: Bastard =)22:58
DocScrutinizerVenemo: probably an oopsie. Actually thanks to MohammadAG about marble pointer22:58
VenemoDocScrutinizer: k22:58
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* alterego screams "Mobility, what do you want from me?!?!"23:00
Venemoalterego: it works for me. (I haven't really used the GPS stuff from it yet though)23:01
alteregoVenemo: well, obviously it's worked for me too ;)23:01
alteregoThe point is, several times now, it has stopped working, for now reason.23:01
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GAN900pupnik, shoot them out of cannons.23:01
GAN900Into the sun.23:01
alteregos/now/no/23:01
infobotalterego meant: The point is, several times no, it has stopped working, for now reason.23:01
Venemoalterego: I get it23:01
alteregoDamnit, wrong "now" :D23:02
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Venemonp23:02
RST38hGAN: What if Bernanke does not reach the proper speed and falls back to Earth? Imagine the cost of the cleanup!23:02
DocScrutinizerFSCKNGSHITFSCKNGSHITFSCKNGSHITFSCKNGSHIT ""Marble; Details; Problems: conflict with libqt4-opengl; libqt4-xmlpatterns; libqt4-webkit; libqt4-maemo5... ...""23:04
alteregoHahah23:05
alteregoyou what?23:05
alteregoIs it using experimental?23:05
alteregoThough, that shouldn't conflict ..23:05
VenemoDocScrutinizer: srsly, what did you expect?23:06
DocScrutinizer:-S nothing really differnet23:06
VenemoDocScrutinizer: 1) 'apt-get remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr'23:06
GAN900RST38h, bigger cannons!23:06
VenemoDocScrutinizer: 2) add SDK repo23:06
VenemoDocScrutinizer: 3) 'apt-get install libqt-4-core'23:06
VenemoDocScrutinizer: 4) profit!23:06
alteregoHah23:07
VenemoDocScrutinizer: maybe apt-get install libqtm-blahblah too23:07
alteregogdb is no fun without an IDEA23:08
alterego~IDE ..23:08
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: of course, substitute the generic-pr with the one you have, plus, don't go too crazy with the SDK repo, may brick your device23:09
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DocScrutinizerno idea about SDK repo23:09
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RST38hsloooooow23:10
VenemoDocScrutinizer: http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories23:10
VenemoDocScrutinizer: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free23:10
RST38hDear Cthulhu, please tell Fennec developers that they are megalomaniacs23:11
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VenemoRST38h: why is that?23:11
RST38hVenemo: install Fennec 4b3 and see23:11
Venemok23:11
RST38hsee it chow on swap for minutes that is23:12
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: any success?23:15
VenemoRST38h: I tried the previous beta yesterday, it wasn't that bad. will try the new one now23:15
DocScrutinizermtakes ages to even add that catalog23:15
VenemoDocScrutinizer: maybe do it from the terminal then, HAM is slow, plus you can't upgrade libraries from HAM23:16
DocScrutinizertoo late23:17
DocScrutinizer"checking updates" - might take an hour23:17
Venemokillall hildon-application manager23:17
Venemokillall apt-worker23:17
VenemoDocScrutinizer: btw, with this method, I was able to update to Qt 4.6 while I was on PR 1.123:18
MohammadAGVenemo, just killall apt-worker23:18
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lardmannight23:20
DocScrutinizerpfff for now pulseaudio is taking 17% cpu. and I guess it's trying to dl the catalog23:20
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johnsqHi23:21
DocScrutinizer30% user, 15% system23:21
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DocScrutinizerplus it seems my ZNC box gone down or sth23:23
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* alterego sighs23:23
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: this was what I did put together in the 1.1 times: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5244223:24
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DocScrutinizerfriggin "couldn't contact DNS server"23:30
VenemoDocScrutinizer: seems that this is not your lucky day :(23:30
DocScrutinizernot really23:30
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Venemohm, I installed Marble23:31
DocScrutinizertore down WLAN and reconnected, now it's working23:31
Venemohow come that half of its ui is in Hungarian?23:31
RST38hIt senses Hungarians!23:32
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RST38hFurthermore, it manages to suck all memory and get permanently stuck swapping, worse than Fennec23:32
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Venemowell it could do with hw acceleration, that's for sure23:33
DocScrutinizer:nod: apt-worker 91%23:33
RST38hhw acceleration has nothign to do with it23:33
MohammadAGkill it!23:33
alteregoSo it's not that great? :)23:33
alteregoIs my app still in the runnings for coolest geolocation app?!?! :D23:33
Venemoalterego: it would be if its behaviour would resemble anything that is related to the word "performance"23:34
DocScrutinizerE: Couldn't find package libqt-4-core23:34
RST38hMarble? Well, it might be great, but as it is completely unresponsive most of the time, there is no way to find out23:34
RST38hDoc: Upgrade to PR1.3 already,23:34
MohammadAGapt-get update23:34
alteregoHeh23:34
VenemoDocScrutinizer: because it is 'libqt4-core' and NOT 'libqt-4-core'23:34
DocScrutinizergathered as much now: libqt4-core - Qt 4 core module23:35
alteregoHeh23:35
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: don't forget apt-get update after you added the repo23:35
alteregoI'm about ready to give up.23:35
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Venemoalterego: :(23:36
VenemoRST38h: trying new fennec now23:37
alteregoSeriously, I mean, what the actual f :(23:37
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DocScrutinizerlibqt4-phonon EEEEEEEEEK!23:37
alteregoHahah23:38
DocScrutinizertaking bets about if I need to flash now23:38
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MohammadAGwhat is phohon?23:38
DocScrutinizersome KDE media BS23:38
chxit's the Nth attempt to make Linux sound work.23:39
chxNone of them succeeded.23:39
Venemolol23:39
chxSo they keep trying instead of fixing ONE.23:39
MohammadAGoh23:39
javispedronot about sound actually23:39
DocScrutinizermedia23:39
javispedroit's one of those new fangled KDE-made abstraction layers that don't abstract anything23:39
nox-that reminds me of...  http://matt.bottrell.com.au/uploads/Pics/linuxaudio.png23:39
DocScrutinizeryep23:39
nox-chx, yeap :(23:40
javispedro<rant>like their supposed "hal abstraction layer" that had to be severily modified when hal disappeared</rant>23:40
DocScrutinizerphonon is ARTS' evil child23:40
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javispedroarts was more about audio23:40
chxand arts was not too innocent either23:40
javispedrophonon is a gstreamer abstraction layer23:40
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chxnox-: LOOL23:41
javispedrofunnily, nokia adopted it (phonon) but I don't know what they plan to do with it now23:41
javispedroother than silently let it rot while it desyncs with the kde phonon23:41
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alteregoI think it's all getting merged into "Qt Multimedia"23:41
javispedroalso </rant> =)23:41
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alteregoThey're removing crap and trying to make something a bit better.23:41
alteregoBut tbh, Qt Multimedia isn't particularly great at the moment ::/23:42
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MohammadAGN+1th attemp?23:42
javispedrowell, I was one of those guys who applauded their decision not to reinvent the wheel and instead use KDE's reinvention of the wheel23:42
* nox- <3 freebsd oss `rewrite' with in-kernel mixing and per-app volume control... (few freebsd users ever need any `sound daemons' :)23:42
javispedroso you can guess how I feel now.23:42
alteregoHeh23:42
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VenemoRST38h: hey, new Fennec beta doesn't seem bad at all23:43
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DocScrutinizerphonon is as braindead as it gets right now, judging from my KDE4 on PC23:43
javispedrowhat do you expect23:44
javispedrothe phonon kde4 uses is not the phonon qt uses.23:44
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nox-rofl23:44
javispedrotalking about audio23:44
DocScrutinizerabstarction wanker noobs all over tha place23:44
javispedromy left channel suddently muted, buggy alsa.23:44
VenemoDocScrutinizer: KDE itself is as braindead as it gets, sometimes23:44
javispedrotime to reboot.23:44
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DocScrutinizerwow! at least no more problems at marble install23:45
DocScrutinizerk, it pulls in libqtm-sysinfo23:46
VenemoDocScrutinizer: if you installed libqtm-sensors too, you could use the regular version of Puzzle Master with accelerometer support23:46
DocScrutinizerso be it23:46
DocScrutinizerNFC what got installed23:47
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DocScrutinizerlibqt4-core was actually some 30 pkgs23:47
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alteregoOkay, hopefully this will get around my crappy debugging problem ..23:47
DocScrutinizerWB javispedro23:47
VenemoDocScrutinizer: yeah, libqt4-core is what pulls in all the qt packages23:48
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MohammadAGfast reboot23:48
DocScrutinizerindeed23:48
javispedro=)23:48
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DocScrutinizeronly 3 min23:48
VenemoDocScrutinizer: (well it doesn't actually, but since all other Qt packages depend on it, apt will resolve it by updating those too)23:48
javispedrosince a recent kernel the soundblaster alsa driver 's been doing stupid things23:48
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javispedrodon't really know where to start to debug it as there have been no important changes to the driver at all, so the issue comes from "somewhere else"23:49
VenemoRST38h: however I can't find the "Add a device" option in my desktop Firefox's sync options...23:49
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* SpeedEvil passes javispedro git bisect.23:49
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javispedrorandom issue, so an unaided git bisect could take a lifetime...23:50
SpeedEvilah23:51
SpeedEvilyeah.23:51
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VenemoRST38h: hm, solved it by googling. now all my stuff is synced23:56
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