IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-12-23

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gazuany idea how longer takes the device to reboot after being full flashed??00:02
SpeedEvila bit longer than normal00:03
SpeedEvila minute or two/00:03
gazuI'm  waiting after 20 minutes00:04
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Venemogazu: that's too much00:05
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gazuthat what i thought00:06
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gazuI'm running this commands00:08
gazusudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f00:08
gazuand then00:08
gazu sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f00:08
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Venemogazu: that's correct00:12
Venemogazu: after it's complete, use the power button to turn it on00:12
gazuany idea why is taking so long00:12
DocScrutinizerwell, marble works - kinda. does routes, does even navigation guidance00:12
gazuI did00:12
Pradeepgazu, i think it is on the wiki00:12
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Pradeepgazu, check00:13
Pradeepflash mine yesterday with the global .bin file00:13
DocScrutinizergazu: your seconf flash process for *COMBINED* worked and returned some proper message saying it succeeded?00:15
gazuyes00:15
gazubut after going throw the welcome message takes forever00:16
DocScrutinizerwelcome as in "select date, time, language"?00:16
gazuyes00:16
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DocScrutinizerthen it actually boted properly00:17
DocScrutinizerdunno what's going on00:17
Pradeepok00:17
gazuI'm steel waiting after more than 30 minutes00:17
DocScrutinizerscreen lit?00:17
DocScrutinizeror black?00:18
gazublack with the dots loading in the middle00:18
lcukgazu, first boot after flashing00:18
DocScrutinizerhmm, so it's not suspended00:18
Pradeephmmmm00:18
lcukdoes infact take longer00:18
DocScrutinizernot 30 min00:18
lcukbut are you sure about the 5minute thing?00:18
lcukyeah00:18
lcukgazu, what caused you to flash in the first place?00:19
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gazuwas playing with some deb files and some programs stop working00:20
gazulibc6 maybe00:21
javispedroO.o00:21
DocScrutinizerwouldn't it be cool to "press escape" and make the pumping dots vanish, in favour of a proper console. Like on any normal desktop linux00:21
alteregoThis is never going to work again :(00:21
nox-DocScrutinizer, i think framebuffer console is unstable on n900?00:22
* javispedro would prefer a plain serial port console 00:22
nox-isnt that under the battery?00:22
DocScrutinizerit actually is00:22
alteregoYou can probably use usb serial console :)00:22
nox-mh00:22
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DocScrutinizergazu: you have it hooked up to charger meanwhile?00:23
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lcukgazu, charge up battery and reflash again?00:23
gazuno but is full charged00:23
gazuI did this the 3rth time00:24
DocScrutinizerI'd like to know if it's charging anyway. I also would be interested if it locks screen with slide button00:24
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gazucharges and the locks is also working00:25
DocScrutinizerfinally you should try to reboot it00:25
gazuwith the power button?00:26
DocScrutinizeryes, for a first shot00:26
gazudoing it right now!!00:27
DocScrutinizerI mean 40 min, there's little hope it will ever finish00:27
gazubuy now only the loading screen00:28
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lcukok gazu00:29
lcuki am pondering whether eMMC is correctly partitioned or if it is corrupt00:30
newbie007Hi I've downloaded a flv file from youtube using the youtube-dl program. I'm unable to play this using Media player. I get an invalid format error.  Is there anyway to make this work?00:30
DocScrutinizerlcuk: same idea here00:30
lcukI believe that even without firstboot you can plug into usb and access the fat partition?00:30
lcukthat could give you a clue00:30
lcukie, if it connects but offers a corrupt fs then something is up00:30
MohammadAGnewbie007, probably more than 800x480 in res size00:30
MohammadAGuse -f 18 when downloading00:31
DocScrutinizeralas MassStorage doesn't export /home partition00:31
newbie007oh00:31
lcukDocScrutinizer, but it does MyDocs00:31
javispedromaemo doesn't export /home00:31
javispedromeego rescue does00:31
DocScrutinizeryes00:31
lcukand thats a reasonable initial indicator00:31
lcukand a chance to offload some data00:31
MohammadAG(it does with the initrd image!)00:31
DocScrutinizerpondering to suggest rescue initrd00:31
MohammadAGjavispedro, indeed :)00:31
MohammadAGjust charge the battery fully(!!!)00:31
DocScrutinizerlcuk: there's no data to offload00:31
MohammadAGit lacks bme00:31
lcukDocScrutinizer, ?00:32
DocScrutinizerflashed VANILLA00:32
lcukon my MyDocs theres ~10gb of photos00:32
MohammadAGand WILL shutdown without warning00:32
MohammadAG= partition table damage00:32
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MohammadAGmine shutdown right when it moved on to the next step00:32
MohammadAGso I was safe :D00:32
javispedronever say safe00:33
javispedrowith a mmc controller that is00:33
javispedroit could do the wrong thing on powerloss00:33
DocScrutinizerlcuk: [2010-12-22 23:08:06] <gazu> sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f00:33
MohammadAGs/safe/lucky/00:33
infobotMohammadAG meant: so I was lucky :D00:33
MohammadAGjavispedro, ;)00:34
DocScrutinizers/lucky/special/00:34
lcukDocScrutinizer, ahh ok00:34
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* MohammadAG grumbles00:34
MohammadAG:P00:34
DocScrutinizerlcuk: that's what makes me frown00:34
DocScrutinizerif eMMC is corrupted, then something is severely fishy00:35
gazuthanks lcuk, but I did that already00:36
DocScrutinizergazu: you should check the MD5 of your img files00:36
gazuok00:36
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, afaik if it was wrong, it wouldn't flash00:36
MohammadAGthough I might be wrong00:36
DocScrutinizeryeah, but you never know00:36
DocScrutinizerstart at root00:36
MohammadAGindeed, remember when I flashed a dd'd image? :P00:37
DocScrutinizerhehe00:37
MohammadAGand I lost a beer to you00:37
DocScrutinizerstill waiting for it00:37
DocScrutinizer:-D00:37
MohammadAG#meego-bar, lcuk will arrange everything00:37
DocScrutinizer:-D00:37
javispedroDocScrutinizer: don't go there! he will give you guinness!!00:38
DocScrutinizerwith bacon?00:38
lcukand pigs in blankets nibbles00:38
MohammadAGexcuse my ignorance00:39
jacekowskiMohammadAG: flashed dd image?00:39
jacekowskiMohammadAG: moar details00:39
MohammadAGwhat's  guinness00:39
jacekowskiMohammadAG: dark beer00:39
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MohammadAGjacekowski, it failed halfway through00:39
DocScrutinizervery special brew of beer00:39
MohammadAGjacekowski, I just dd'd an image of /dev/mtd5 somewhere00:39
newbie007MohammadAG: the resolution is 490x36000:39
jacekowskiMohammadAG: irish, only for people that like that kind of beer00:40
MohammadAG(with fedora of course)00:40
MohammadAGthen wrote it with flasher00:40
MohammadAGit failed00:40
jacekowskitastes little bit like it was burnt00:40
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lcukits only nice when its cold o_O00:40
DocScrutinizerthat's from the peat they use to cook it00:40
ArGGu^^is here pc linux users?00:40
DocScrutinizerhere is #maemo00:41
MohammadAGNo, we use FreeDOS :P00:41
lcukDocScrutinizer, at the Meego conf we got an entire night of history and drinking00:41
lcukthe Storehouse tour was awesome00:41
MohammadAGnewbie007, no idea, install decoders-support00:41
MohammadAGthat would have been boring to me lcuk :P00:41
* MohammadAG doesn't drink00:42
jacekowskilcuk: i don't like it00:42
ArGGu^^Well anybody know is there any way to detect if fan is stopped00:42
ArGGu^^lm-sensors wont show fan speed00:42
MohammadAGphysically?00:42
ArGGu^^/proc/acpi/fan is empty00:42
javispedrohah!00:42
DocScrutinizerArGGu^^: here is #maemo00:42
lcukMohammadAG, it was awe inspiring actually00:42
MohammadAGother than that, sorry, idk :P00:42
MohammadAGlcuk, history of maemo right?00:42
DocScrutinizerArGGu^^: maemo devices quite usually have no fan00:42
jacekowskiMohammadAG: i feel sorry for you00:42
jacekowskiMohammadAG: you should start drinking00:42
javispedroArGGu^^: open case, put finger in fan?00:43
MohammadAG"And there it was, PR1.2!!! Then came chuck norris and it was delayed by a thread"00:43
MohammadAGlcuk, you found that thread interesting right?00:43
ArGGu^^DocScrutinizer I just asked beacuse I think someone here might know00:43
MohammadAGjacekowski, meh, don't smoke either00:43
newbie007what is pr1.2, how can I tell if I have it?00:43
lcukMohammadAG, sure I did00:44
lcukhold on a mo00:44
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ArGGu^^People who are using maemo might also use linux on pc00:44
MohammadAGidk, I just feel that both things are retarded, except on occasions00:44
jacekowskiMohammadAG: smoking is bad00:44
jacekowskiMohammadAG: drinking isn't00:44
javispedroeverything is bad.00:44
MohammadAG(getting addicted to smoking/being an alcoholic)00:44
javispedrodrinking is bad. not drinking is bad.00:44
jacekowskilet's have some sex00:44
jacekowskithat's never bad00:44
pupnikprogramming is good00:44
newbie007someone kick him00:44
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MohammadAGyou can earn that without drinking jacekowski  :P00:45
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jacekowskinewbie007: leave00:45
MohammadAGseriously, find a gf/wife :P00:45
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: that's in fact the root of all evil00:45
alteregojacekowski: sex is never bad, until you wake up the next morning and you don't know where you are.00:45
alteregoOr why your ass hurts.00:45
* alterego chuckles00:45
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jacekowskialterego: never happened to me00:45
MohammadAGLMFAO00:45
jacekowskii mean part of it happened00:46
lcukMohammadAG, NSFW HUGE LARGE IMAGES STRESSTEST http://liqbase.net/thread.42285.pg001.to.689.imagelist_proc.html00:46
jacekowskiliek where am i00:46
alteregoHeh00:46
jacekowskilike*00:46
lcukcomplete list of all pictures that existed in that thread00:46
MohammadAGlcuk, wow, lol00:46
lcukand yes, there are some boob shots00:46
lcukpeople REALLY wanted pr1.2 :)00:46
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MohammadAGlcuk, shall I start the PR1.4 thread?00:46
MohammadAGit'll go off topic in the second reply anyways00:47
DocScrutinizerbah, 1.700:47
lcuki would rather have a meego one and bring over all the apps :)00:47
Pradeepsex is good00:47
Pradeepbut to much is bad to00:47
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, no00:47
Pradeepcos of cancer when you get older00:47
MohammadAG1.3.3.700:47
lcukPradeep, for that there is always lubrication00:47
DocScrutinizerYEAH00:47
MohammadAGactually, I should release the SSU like that00:47
lcukyes00:47
MohammadAGPR1.3.3.700:48
lcuk:) thats an excellent hacker version00:48
DocScrutinizerI'm all for that00:48
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Pradeepas somking goes with lung cancer like sex goes with postrate cancer00:48
MohammadAGlcuk, or swappolube!00:48
DocScrutinizeror fapman?00:49
DocScrutinizer(just in a pinch)00:49
MohammadAGswappolube00:50
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MohammadAGfapman00:50
Pradeepalterego, wats up how was work today00:50
MohammadAGliqballs (cc lcuk)00:50
alteregoHeh00:50
DocScrutinizerhehehe00:50
lcukMohammadAG,00:50
Pradeepeveryone at my work place talking about the xmas00:50
lcukon a scroll bar, what sthe technical name for the thing you grab to move the list?00:50
Pradeepformatted all the system in office into linux mint00:51
MohammadAGslider?00:51
Pradeepcos windows  virus was slowing the network down00:51
* alterego contemplates giving up and dropping Qt Mobility geoloc api for liblocation directly.00:51
MohammadAGlcuk, I always see it as scrollbar00:51
DocScrutinizerlcuk: slider handle?00:51
MohammadAGhence, QScrollBar00:51
javispedrolcuk: microsoft usually calls it the scroll box00:52
* MohammadAG wonders if this is a real question00:52
DocScrutinizer*cough*00:52
MohammadAG*puke*00:52
jacekowskilcuk: slider00:53
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, how do you insult linux?00:53
MohammadAGlike this http://i55.tinypic.com/27ycyf9.jpg00:53
DocScrutinizer:shudder:00:54
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gazugoing for one more flash00:55
* DocScrutinizer runs for his budesonid00:55
javispedroDocScrutinizer: MohammadAG: cough and puke all you want, but they usually *employ* actual documentation writers with enough salary to lookup exactly this kind of trivia00:55
DocScrutinizerit's still a slider handle00:55
Pradeepanyway is it possible to have blackberry pin on n90000:56
DocScrutinizerI couldn't figuer for the life of me what's a scrollbox00:56
MohammadAGfwiw, Qt calls it a scrollbox too00:56
MohammadAGwhich is a widget with a scrollbar00:56
DocScrutinizeractually I thought a scrollbox is something like the qt date/time settings abomination00:56
DocScrutinizera scrollbox yeah, a widget with text and a scrollbar. Never ever the handle of the scrollbar slider00:57
DocScrutinizerwhatever00:58
javispedro:)00:58
* DocScrutinizer gasps00:58
DocScrutinizerre01:00
DocScrutinizeranyway, if it were a box, there at least *could* be something inside it, no?01:01
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MohammadAGi'm off to bed01:01
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: n801:01
javispedrocya MohammadAG01:01
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, widgets, supposedly01:01
MohammadAGnight :)01:01
viniciusptHello for all01:02
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gazushould i just send back to nokia??01:03
DocScrutinizergazu: no luck?01:03
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gazunoop01:03
DocScrutinizer:-/01:03
DocScrutinizerweird01:04
gazubut just 5 minutes after the last try01:04
DocScrutinizerwell, we seen broken eMMC before01:04
gazuwhat then?01:04
javispedroon a Nokia center they might be able to reflash it on site01:04
viniciusptanyone know how good the maemo development? Maemo 6 will be launched?01:05
viniciusptI think the worst thing, Nokia has "abandoned"the platform!01:05
DocScrutinizerI'd try with meego recue initrd01:05
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alteregoI need someone who's much better at debugging than me to fix this I think :(01:06
DocScrutinizer<advocatus diaboli> the platform and OS is perfect. Nokia hasn't abandoned it, they just finished mission01:06
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alteregoHeh01:07
Venemolol DocScrutinizer01:07
jacekowskialterego: ?01:07
jacekowskijavispedro: just one question, are you doing anything with preenv or something?01:07
Venemoviniciuspt: Maemo 6 will use the MeeGo handset ux afaik, plus some closed source crap01:07
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jacekowskijavispedro: ability to rotate accelerometer would be nice01:08
alteregojacekowski: I did a bit of refactoring, and it seems everytime I do, qt mobility geo location stops working for no apparent reason.01:08
javispedrojacekowski: trivial, noted.01:08
gazuhow to I know if the emmc is broken?01:08
javispedroprobably will do nothing until past christmas though :)01:09
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jacekowskijavispedro: is it on github or somewhere?01:09
DocScrutinizergazu: boot into meego rescue initrd, then mount eMMc oartitions and fsck01:09
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javispedrojacekowski: http://gitorious.org/preenv/preenv/blobs/master/libsdlpre/joystick.c#line12101:10
gazuthanks I'm going to try01:10
jacekowskiwhat license is it on?01:11
DocScrutinizergazu: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd01:11
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javispedrojacekowski: lgpl201:12
javispedro(that lib)01:12
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alteregoHow can I find out if a binary executable calls a specific function?01:15
viniciusptDoes anyone know whether it is true that the development of June maemo is frozen?01:15
javispedroalterego: gdb and breakpoint? :)01:16
alteregojavispedro: I'm not good enough to do that.01:16
javispedrob <function_name>01:16
alteregoI'm using GDB now, but the problem is, this code is in a shared lib I link against.01:16
javispedrodebug the executable, it will usually do the right thing01:17
alteregoHrm, it's not showing the class I'm looking for though :/01:17
javispedroit won't until executable loads the library01:17
javispedroah, this is C++?01:17
alteregoYes01:17
jacekowskiuuu01:17
viniciuspthuasssssss (google translate) ....01:17
jacekowskiname mangling ftw01:17
javispedroconsider name mangling --01:17
javispedroheh01:17
alteregoAll the others seem fine :P01:18
viniciusptDoes anyone know whether it is true that the development of maemo 6 is frozen?01:18
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alteregoviniciuspt: I wouldn't want to guess.01:18
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alteregojavispedro: if I give you my binary and my two libs, do you think you could poke at it?01:19
javispedroguess so. arm?01:19
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alteregoYeah01:19
alteregoNot sure how to test in scratchbox because of lack of location stuff in scratchbox.01:19
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javispedroalso, gdb on sb is very probably broken01:20
alteregoHeh01:20
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alteregojavispedro: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/columbus-broken.tar.gz01:23
alteregoAnyhelp would be appreciated.01:23
alteregoBasically, I can't figure out why location services aren't being started.01:23
javispedroheh01:23
alteregoAs far as that control logic is concerned, nothing had changed.01:24
alteregoAll I've done is refactor out a load of code into "libcolumbus"01:24
alteregoAnd made the "columbus" executable basically only handle UI stuff.01:25
alteregoThough, this has happened to me before, in a previous version and I managed to magically fix it by changing the order in which I create satellite info and position info source qt objects :/01:26
alteregoWhatever is going on, it's not simple. There's something really fsck'd :/01:26
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alteregoBasically, I'm looking for the little satellite dish to appear in the status area ;)01:28
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javispedroworked here01:32
javispedrois it random, or ?01:32
alteregoWhat?01:32
alteregoIT worked?!01:32
javispedroyeah, dish icon and some sats enumerated on signal bars01:32
javispedrohum01:33
* javispedro ponders01:33
javispedroI noticed that you gave me librxsupport.so01:33
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javispedrobut the executable DEPENDS on librxsupport.so.101:33
alteregoYeah, has some maemo5 widgets I made.01:33
javispedromaybe you're overwriting librxsupport.so instead of .so.101:33
javispedro?01:33
alteregoSorry, symlinks are missing.01:33
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MohammadAGcrap, can't sleep again01:34
alteregoneah, .so, .so.1 and .so.1.0 are symlinks to .so.1.0.0 on my machine.01:34
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javispedrojust checking :P01:34
javispedro(same for libcolumbus itself)01:35
alteregoThat goes for libcolumbus too.01:35
comawhitewtf, if I try renaming songs like 03 - Weißes Fleisch.mp3 it renames it automatically to 03 - Weißes Fleisch.mp301:35
alteregoThere must be some kind of state my N900 is in that yours isn't in, which is causing this.01:35
javispedroreboot =)01:36
comawhitei wonder why the hell it's done in vfat in the first place >.<01:36
alteregoWhat's "location-proxy" ?01:36
alterego/usr/bin/location-proxy01:36
javispedroa required daemon01:36
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alteregoOkay01:36
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MohammadAGcomawhite, windows01:36
comawhiteblah01:36
comawhiteeffin windows01:36
* alterego thinks for a bit.01:37
gazuthe same thing just the loading dots01:37
alteregoOkay, I've got an idea, if restarting my N900 doesn't work, I think I know what's up01:37
gazuis driving me crazy the phone is almost new01:38
MohammadAGalterego, it's a conspiracy to make you lose your uptime01:38
alteregoI've wasted almost an entire fscking day on this01:38
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javispedroeither way, where did you want to put the breakpoint?01:39
alteregoWhere's that gps-cache-reset program?01:39
alteregojavispedro: doesn't matter now.01:39
alteregojavispedro: if it works on yours then it can't be the code.01:39
alteregoAnd it's made me think, maybe the code was never broken.01:39
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alteregoMaybe at somepoint my GPS has got screwed01:39
javispedrodepends on what you want to debug =)01:39
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alteregoWell, my device is the one that's not working.01:40
MohammadAGalterego, it works for me01:40
* javispedro wants to find more crap in mobility01:40
gazuwhat should i do now??01:40
alteregoI could charge it up and mail it to you ;)01:40
MohammadAGalterego, solid satellite01:40
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: the two's compliment of a positive number is itself, right?01:40
VenemoDocScrutinizer: right?01:44
alteregoMohammadAG: you're a bitch as well :P01:44
DocScrutinizerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two's_complement01:44
MohammadAGalterego, I object! :P01:44
alteregoFound it, "clear-gps-cache" thought I had it in my archive01:44
VenemoDocScrutinizer: I read it already01:44
comawhitethis sucks no custom ringtones for contacts :(01:44
comawhitejust global one01:44
VenemoDocScrutinizer: I'm just not sure. could you answer my question?01:44
Venemocomawhite: there's an app for that01:45
DocScrutinizerthe answer is no01:45
alteregoOkay, that didn't work.01:45
alteregoAttempting restart01:45
MohammadAGalterego, ship the device01:45
comawhiteVenemo, where!!!!!01:45
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DocScrutinizertechnically the two's complement of N is -N usually iirc01:45
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Venemocomawhite: I believe the package name is ringtoned and it appears as "custom ringtones for your contacts" in app mgr01:46
VenemoDocScrutinizer: for a negative number, I remember that it is ~(-N)+101:47
VenemoDocScrutinizer: where by ~, i mean bitwise negation01:47
comawhiteVenemo, fucking thank you :D01:47
MohammadAGalterego, works for me :P01:47
VenemoDocScrutinizer: that correct?01:47
MohammadAGalterego, just checked again01:47
comawhiteVenemo, you using pidgeon plugins for conversations?01:48
Venemocomawhite: no.01:48
comawhiteah01:48
Venemocomawhite: but you can01:49
alteregoStill01:49
comawhiteyeah i know, just having problem with it and was wondering if you had it too01:49
alteregoStill doesn't work O_O01:49
alteregoAfter clearing the cache, and after a restart.01:50
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MohammadAGalterego, it hates you01:50
MohammadAGalterego, got libqtm-location?01:50
DocScrutinizerVenemo: looks correct, yes01:51
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: is that formula correct for positive numbers too?01:51
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alteregoMohammadAG: Would it not be there if I've been, for the past months developing a GPS app with it :P01:51
DocScrutinizertry it and you'll see01:51
MohammadAGalterego, maybe? xP01:51
gazuwhat should go first the emmc and then combined??01:52
MohammadAGwhat you want, just don't use -R01:52
MohammadAGwhichever*01:52
gazuthanks01:53
VenemoDocScrutinizer: I'm sorry, I'm just thinking about this for some time now01:53
MohammadAGgah, need to sleep01:54
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alteregoMe too, but I'm going insane trying to figure this out :(01:54
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DocScrutinizer-N = ~N +101:55
alterego:)01:55
DocScrutinizeror01:55
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DocScrutinizerN * -1 = ~N + 101:55
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: what does N* mean?01:55
alteregoMohammadAG: 12956 in total now01:55
alteregoVenemo: multiplication :P01:56
Venemooh.01:56
Venemoright01:56
MohammadAGalterego, still can't sleep, should I read them all and make each one segfault?01:56
VenemoDocScrutinizer: I still can't figure out however how to do this for a positive number. it's just too late in the evening for me to think about stuff like this01:56
DocScrutinizer-1. = 0b1111   ~-1=0b0000    ~-1 + 1 = 0b0001 = 1.01:57
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alteregoMohammadAG: study the code and search for memory leaks ..01:57
alteregoWithout valgrind! :D01:57
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MohammadAGwhat's valgrind? :P01:57
derf...01:57
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: so the same formula applies as I see01:58
DocScrutinizer1. = 0b0001    ~1. = 0b1110    ~1. + 1 = 0b1111 = -1.01:58
VenemoMohammadAG: it's a memory leak debugging tool01:58
alteregoVenemo: I think he was being sarcastic :P01:58
VenemoDocScrutinizer: now you got me confused.01:59
alteregoGreat .. It's working now .01:59
alteregoBut why did it stop working I want to know >_<01:59
Venemoalterego: because it's lazy01:59
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nox-~1 is the same as 1 xorg -102:00
infobot...but 1 is already something else...02:00
nox-err xor02:00
javispedronice operator02:00
MohammadAG~102:00
infobot1 is a number, silly02:00
nox-.oO(i did it again... :)02:00
MohammadAGfuck off infobot :)02:00
MohammadAG~202:00
infobotIt's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL.02:00
alteregoOkay, stopped working now. So I've reproduced it ..02:01
DocScrutinizer~ 0b000102:01
DocScrutinizer~ 0xFF02:02
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DocScrutinizer~ 8044918913761641 * 98429813637602:02
infobot791859869411161799017889792002:02
* javispedro hits gentoo02:03
javispedroso they dropped dbus' .la files, great.02:03
alteregoOkay, seems the problem is something to do with my plugins ..02:03
MohammadAG~1/002:04
nox-~ 1/002:04
nox-~ ~102:04
MohammadAG~ 1 / 002:04
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: let's take -4. 4=0b0010 -> 0b1101 -> 0b1110. then let's take +4. -4=0b1110 -> 0b0001 -> 0b0010 which is exactly the same as the binary form of 402:05
DocScrutinizereeeh?02:05
DocScrutinizerin my book 4 = 0b010002:06
alterego:)02:06
Venemooh, sorry, typo'd02:06
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Venemoso 4 is 0b0100 -> ~4 is 0b1011 -> ~4+1 is 0b1100, so the two's compliment of -4 is 0b1100. that correct?02:07
DocScrutinizer0b0010 = +2    0b1110 = -202:08
Venemoas I said, I typo'd in the previous one, but right, that was 2 and not 402:08
DocScrutinizerno, the two's complement of 4 is 0b110002:08
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DocScrutinizeror -402:09
Venemothat's what I said02:09
* alterego contemplates why his dynamic plugin loading effects liblocation02:09
alterego~affects02:09
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-23 01:07:34] <Venemo>the two's compliment of -4 is 0b110002:09
Venemoyeah, and this is what you said too02:10
DocScrutinizerno02:10
Venemo[01:08] <DocScrutinizer> no, the two's complement of 4 is 0b1100 ---> [01:09] <DocScrutinizer> or -402:10
DocScrutinizer0b1100 = -402:10
Venemoexactly02:10
DocScrutinizerwhich is the two's cmplement of 4 = 0b010002:11
DocScrutinizerdammit02:11
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Venemonah, you're misunderstanding me then02:11
DocScrutinizerno02:11
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DocScrutinizeryou're misunderstanding two's complement. it's an operator, not a data representation02:11
Venemowell, we learned it as a data representation02:12
Venemoor maybe I'm just not familiar with the correct English term for it - sorry then02:12
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pupnika lot of folks here understand software freedom02:13
derfIt is both an operator and a data representation.02:13
DocScrutinizer>>A two's-complement system or two's-complement arithmetic is a system in which negative numbers are represented by the two's complement of the absolute value<<02:13
derfThe operator defines the data representation.02:13
Venemoyeah, I understand it as how derf says02:13
Choomone's complement and sign-and-magnitude are also operators02:14
derfYou can only say '0b1100 = -4' _because_ you're using two's complement.02:14
DocScrutinizerTWO'S_COMPLEMENT(<positive number> ) = <negative number of same absolute value>02:14
derfAs the data representation.02:14
DocScrutinizerthat's an operator02:15
Venemoright.02:15
Choomthe only difference between them is the data representation02:15
derfIn one's complement, 0b1100 = -3.02:15
derfBut 0b1100 is still the two's complement of 4.02:16
DocScrutinizerMEH02:16
Venemookay, so point is: decimal '4' is stored as 0b0100 and decimal '-4' is stored as 0b1100 inside the memory (assuming we're talking about 4-bit integers)02:17
derfSorry, you people were driving me insane with your talking past each other.02:17
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DocScrutinizerall my assembler menmonics do convert +N -> -N with a instruction called something like 2s-comp02:19
DocScrutinizermnemonics*02:20
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: my question was intended towards how to compute from an arbitrary decimal number its representation in the computer's memory02:21
DocScrutinizeras in that system negative numbers are represented by the two's complement of their positive counterpart02:21
Venemoright. :)02:21
Venemonow it's all clear :)02:21
alteregoI bet there's something weird with gobject module loading and qt module loading that is screwing this up somehow.02:21
Venemothank you DocScrutinizer and derf :)02:22
javispedroalterego: didn't you just said that it wasn't on your binary?02:22
alteregojavispedro: IT wasn't, you didn't have the plugins :P02:22
alteregoIt's the plugins, not my binary.02:22
alteregoWell, probably the plugin loader, which is in libcolumbus ;)02:23
javispedroso02:23
javispedroyou're saying that loading certain "plugin" to your binary causes qtmobiliy to stop initializising liblocation?02:23
alteregoYes02:23
alteregoLoading _any_ plugin I suspect.02:23
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alteregoAs they're all pretty much identical.02:24
javispedrosource is on gitorious?02:24
alteregoNot mine no.02:25
alteregoI'm looking at mobilities source at the moment to see what could be going on.02:25
alteregoAt least I've got a lead now02:25
VenemoDocScrutinizer: seems that I used bad terminology when I asked the question then02:25
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: (how to compute from an arbitrary decimal number) convert |N| -> binary, then if N<0 apply two's complement02:30
DocScrutinizerfor int02:32
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DocScrutinizerfor reals I guess it's a bit more involved02:32
VenemoDocScrutinizer: yeah, I was asking for int, and already figured out from what you've said. :)02:33
VenemoDocScrutinizer: I remember now. for fixed-point numbers it's almost equally as simple, and floating points are somehow complicated02:33
VenemoDocScrutinizer: anyway, thanks for answering.02:34
DocScrutinizer51yw02:34
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* Venemo should start learning for his digital design exam02:35
alterego:)02:35
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alteregoDesigning an ALU or something? :)02:36
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javispedrooh02:37
javispedrothe rumours of windows nt for arm are growing larger02:37
javispedroI wonder if it's just the original shitball rolling down and getting larger or new information02:38
Venemoalterego: yeah that'll be there too.02:39
Venemoalterego: for now, I needed this stuff for some low-level programming homework02:39
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alteregoDefinitely something strange going on ..02:55
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alteregoWell, fsck me02:59
alteregoIt is just one plugin that's screwed.02:59
alteregoO_o02:59
BCMMjavispedro: huh. it would make sense, but on the other hand, it would make sense not to03:01
alteregoDon't see how though >:(03:01
BCMMi mean, at the moment, windows is what you run on a PC. for most people, installing something else on a PC feels like you're using it for something it might not be supposed to do, like installing something else on a mac03:01
BCMMthere are other things that are not pcs, but windows doesn't run on them03:02
BCMMif they break the perceived one-to-one mapping there, they're suddenly fighting on a somewhat more level playing field03:02
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BCMMjavispedro: got a link for the rumours?03:03
javispedroBCMM: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-21/microsoft-is-said-to-announce-version-of-windows-for-arm-chips-at-ces-show.html03:03
javispedroBCMM: also, our own tmo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=90247603:04
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BCMMjavispedro: imho, the .net framework was intended to prepere them for an arch change, if necessary03:04
BCMMi mean, if they ran only on x86, in the event of other architechtures becoming much, much faster/cheaper, they'd be kinda screwed03:05
javispedrowell, there's no need to said that stuff about nt running on nearly 6 or 7 different arches03:05
BCMMtaht many?03:06
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BCMManyway, NT for Alpha failed for lack of applications, right?03:06
BCMMi mean, third-party binaries that ran on it03:07
javispedrowell, I don't know why it failed.03:07
BCMMjavispedro: well, i've heard that nothing ran on it. it was a small target, and nobody else bothered to ship alpha binaries of windows software03:07
BCMMwith .net, they can port to an architechture and have a bunch of third-party apps from day one03:08
javispedroit probably had more users than n900 users when they killed the port =)03:08
BCMMthe n900 is also a very small target03:08
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Venemoyeah03:15
Venemothis is why they ceased supporting IA64 too03:16
VenemoBCMM: btw the reason most people use Windows is because that has the most driver support too03:17
BCMMi genuinly don't think that's true any more03:18
BCMMi've had plenty of experiences in which i've spent ages hunting for drivers on some .tw written in badly-translated chinese03:19
BCMMfor a device that "just worked" when plugged in to a linux box03:19
Venemowell then03:20
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BCMMwhy do taiwanese hardware manufacturers always have two web servers? there's a fast one for the actual web site, and a special slow, unreliable one for the drivers and manuals and firmware images and so on03:20
VenemoBCMM: please hunt me a driver 1) for my wireless to just work 2) for my graphics card that can switch the brightness of my screen 3) for my volume control buttons03:20
VenemoBCMM: these 3 things is what's missing for my laptop for Linux03:21
javispedroseems weird that you'd be missing volume control buttons03:21
BCMMVenemo: heh. find me a windows driver for my volume buttons.03:21
VenemoBCMM: :P03:21
BCMMwindows works OK because it was installed when you got the machine.03:21
BCMMi "downgraded" my Vista laptop to xp/linux dual-boot03:21
BCMMactually installing windows on a laptop shows you what dreadful shape driver support is in03:22
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Venemowell I can head on to Fujitsu's site and dl the win7 drivers for these stuff. they don't have linux in their drivers section.03:22
Venemothen I can go to the wireless manufacturer's page and compile the wireless driver, but it won't work flawlessly03:23
BCMMVenemo: in many cases, that's because linux drivers are supported in the kernel, rather than by the manufacturer03:23
Venemothe driver is OSS, they could put it into the kernel if wanted to03:23
Venemoanyway03:23
Venemothe volume control works sometimes, but most of the time not, and the brightness control just doesn't. ever.03:23
javispedro"most of the time"? O.o03:24
BCMMVenemo: like i said, try installing windows on it...03:24
VenemoBCMM: I have Win7 on it for which these things work03:25
BCMMthat came with it, or that you installed?03:25
BCMMwindows on laptops plays nice with teh hardware because somebody else has put in the hours cursing at random problems for you03:25
javispedromore like03:26
VenemoI bought the version that didn't have an OS (because it was cheaper), but the more expensive versions of the same laptop have win7 on them yes03:26
javispedrobecause someone knew they could be able to fix their stupid hardware in stupid kernel mode drivers so they didn't obther to make proper hardware on the first place.03:26
BCMMso it's hardware specifically designed for that OS.03:26
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javispedro*would03:26
Venemoyep, unfortunately03:26
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Venemowhen I bought the laptop, Linux support wasn't a priority yet. (I was a big M$ fan at the time, but not any longer)03:27
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Venemonext time (1-2 yrs from now or later) I will specifically look for a laptop with good Linux driver support. until then, I'm stuck with this one03:29
Venemobtw, do you know any laptop manufacturer which cares about Linux drivers?03:29
BCMMVenemo: you can buy laptops with Linux pre-installed03:31
BCMMtbh, driver support is all right if you with decent hardware, to some extent03:32
DocScrutinizer-8my esprimo came with linux and yet has no proper gfx driver03:32
BCMMi mean, if you have an SiS graphics chip, it probably won't work right under linux03:32
BCMMor under windows.03:32
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DocScrutinizer-8yeah03:32
VenemoDocScrutinizer-8: what gfx card does it have?03:32
DocScrutinizer-8SIS here03:32
Venemooh.03:33
BCMMDocScrutinizer-8: if you are lucky, you can make it work using some horribly hackery03:33
BCMMSiS is one of the most intentionally awkward companies for linux driver support03:33
Venemowell my Fujitsu has an NVidia card for which there's a somewhat usable properitary driver03:34
BCMMbut that's OK, because their stuff basically sucks at a hardware level anyway03:34
Venemohehe :D03:34
BCMMthe proprietary nvidia driver has gotta be the best proprietary driver on linux03:34
BCMMit's very annoying that they won't open it, but they do nearly everything right apart from that03:35
Venemoit is not bad, just buggy sometimes03:35
DocScrutinizer-8driving the 800v by 786v fb is a PITA03:35
BCMMfor example, when new versions of KDE's Kwin started finding performance issues in previously rarely-used functions, they engaged with the kde community well and got it fixed really fast03:35
* javispedro notes that the nvidia driver is also known for doing things "their way203:36
javispedro"03:36
BCMMati's proprietary driver is dreadfully buggy, but since AMD took them over, they've been helping with the open driver03:36
BCMMwhich is getting very nice03:36
BCMMjavispedro: yeah, and as of late not supporting the way things are going (KMS, gallium, etc.)03:36
Venemowell it would be just enough if it could connect to my external display without issue03:37
BCMMbut it works pretty well most of the time, gets bug fixes when it's broken, and performs better than the windows driver in some cases03:37
Venemoyeah, true, true03:37
BCMMyeah, that's a bit of a problem03:37
javispedroBCMM: if that's the reason their driver is the only one that "works", I leave as an exercise to the reader03:37
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BCMMit handles multiple monitors in it's own way, which is a stupid thing to do03:37
Venemobut opposing the windows driver, it can't control my screen's brightness.03:38
javispedro(not using KMS, gallium, etc.)03:38
BCMMjavispedro: i said it was the best propriatary one.03:38
BCMMthe open source intel and radeon drivers work better03:38
javispedroat 1/8 the performance *at best*03:38
VenemoI would use Nouveau of course, but the 3D performance of that makes me cry03:39
BCMMthe radeon driver is improving fast03:39
javispedrothat's what I've been reading for a decade.03:39
javispedroyet.03:39
BCMMfaster than nouveau, which has to work with a basically uncooperative vendor03:39
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BCMMteh handling of multiple monitors in nvidia is stupid. standard tools that work with proper drivers always see one big monitor. you can only configure it using nvidia-settings03:40
javispedroit doesn't matter. the entire graphics stack is foobar'd. no one sane would release anything remotely useful because it is a patent minefield.03:40
Venemo:(03:40
* Venemo thinks that sw patents should be eliminated completely03:41
BCMMVenemo++03:41
javispedroit is also a copyright minefield, fwiw. are we still using s3tc?03:41
BCMMa better term is "maths patents"03:41
* javispedro guesses "yes"03:41
javispedroso03:41
BCMManyway, that's presumably why AMD is taking the approach of helping the open-source driver with docs, rather than just dumping the fglrx code on the community03:41
VenemoBCMM: did you see the movie titled patent absurdity?03:42
BCMMwell, that and teh fact taht the fglrx code is surely very, very embarrasing03:42
BCMMVenemo: no.03:42
javispedroBCMM: most of the work is still done by a single amd employee.03:42
Venemoyou should.03:42
BCMMjavispedro: how much does that matter, for the purposes of releasing specs?03:43
javispedroand, for some reason, my multimonitor setup works an order of magnitude better with nvcontrol than xrandr03:43
BCMMin that case, they basically have the docs internally, an the important thing is that they're allowing them out03:43
javispedrobecause what you're going to do with the register specs, other than do a crappy driver.03:44
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javispedrocards themselves have not changed virtually anything themselves, as a quick look over the intel manuals tells.03:45
Venemowhat do you guys think about intel gfx cards and drivers?03:45
javispedrosame.03:45
javispedro1/8 of what you get on windows.03:46
BCMMreally?03:46
VenemoI think intel is compensating for the crappyness of its hw by making the driver oss03:46
javispedroBCMM: 1/2 actually03:46
BCMMI have seen for myself that the drivers for certain intel GMA chips allow pretty impressive desktop effects03:46
Aranel_How good is WH-205? Is Sennheiser CX281 better?03:46
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BCMMwith stability.03:46
javispedroscrap that.03:46
javispedro1/403:47
BCMMi mean, pretty impressive given the hardware they're running on03:47
javispedroI wanted to see what would happen if Intel gets serious about Meego.03:47
javispedrothey will need hw to run it on.03:47
javispedrothis hw will be GMA500 based03:47
javispedroand the question03:47
javispedrois03:48
BCMMand while i'm sure the free radeon drivers don't currently give amazing gaming performance, they give an incredibly responsive and artifact-free desktop effects experience03:48
BCMMand are really, really stable03:48
BCMMnever had a crash from them03:48
BCMMin fact, since i got rid of propriatary atheros and nvidia drivers, i haven't had a single kernel panic03:48
javispedroWill there be a GMA500/SGX OSS driver from Intel with competitive performance against the ImgTech's one?03:48
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javispedroBCMM: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23592 (filed by me)03:49
povbotBug 23592: was not found.03:49
javispedroetc. etc.03:49
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javispedrobut I guess that anecdote != data :)03:52
Venemo:)03:55
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Venemogood night guys. it's late and I better get some sleep03:56
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pupnikArchos 7.0 has been off power mains for 4.25 hours - mostly idle.  battery reads 100% still03:57
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javispedrowake me when you get a month's out of battery from idle04:01
javispedrolike n800 ;)04:01
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SpeedEviljavispedro: I've gotten results indicating 2 weeks is quite possible in suspend.04:13
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SpeedEvilmaybe 3 with the phone off04:14
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javispedromore than one week with phone on would be surprising already04:15
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SpeedEvilFor that, ylu've got to work out how to stop the phone sending signal status updates04:18
SpeedEvilIt resumes from suspend just fine on calls and texts04:18
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comawhitei wonder if there is an app that will connect my wi-fi when im using it and disconnect when I'm not using it04:27
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SpeedEvilcomawhite: with powersaving properly setup, it's no a big issue04:36
SpeedEvilcomawhite: it will last >5 days idle with wifi on04:37
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comawhiteO_O04:40
comawhiteyeah because wifi is killing my battery -_-04:40
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Loomis there a utitility that can configure the startup services in maemo 5 ?05:04
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pupniklol luke-jr05:06
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Maceri was working on switching from samba to cifs on my openindiana box today05:09
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Macerwhat a pain. got stupified by a damn pam module05:09
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johnxPAM is super fun05:20
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Loomis there a utitility that can configure the startup services in maemo 5 ?05:30
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Loomi found maemo-control-services but it's for os200805:50
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johnxwhat service are you trying to disable?05:52
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Loomwell i don' know05:56
Loomwhen i install i disable half of the services cuause they are useless05:57
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Loombut i am not familiar with this os05:58
Loomso need an app to present and be able to disable startup services05:58
johnxdisabling services you don't understand is a great way to end up in a reboot loop05:58
johnxand as for the services that aren't strictly needed, there's likely instructions on how to disable them by hand05:59
johnxthink of the requirement of doing it by hand as a way for the user to state "I really know what I'm doing"05:59
SpeedEvilDisabling random 'useless' shit will maek the platform stop working.06:00
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SpeedEvilDisabling tracker, for example, will break the camera and media player apps, for a start06:00
johnxso, I guess the good news out of this is: there's very few useless services :)06:01
Loomi know06:02
SpeedEvilbasically, yes.06:02
SpeedEvilOr rather - sort-of.06:02
Loomso is there an app to do this ?06:02
SpeedEvilTracker could be useless, if the other stuff diddn't rely on it heavily06:02
SpeedEvilvim06:02
johnxLoom, rm on the command line06:02
Loomhm06:02
johnxremove the symlinks in the runlevel directory you want the service to not start in06:03
SpeedEvilLook at dsmetool06:03
SpeedEvillook at /etc/*06:03
SpeedEvilunderstand how the processes are started06:03
Loometc is prety big06:03
SpeedEvilwork out how to do one-shot scripts that don't start it on one boot, and revert for the next boot, in case it doesn't work06:03
SpeedEvilyes06:03
johnxLoom, Well it's /etc/rc?.d/* for some services, and other places for other services06:04
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Loomi am trying to avoid the command line bullcrap...06:07
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pupniklol06:08
pupnikjust talk to the phone Loom06:09
pupnikmaybe it will start to listen to you06:09
Loomi can just delete em using the filebox but since they are in varius places how do i find em ?06:09
johnxLoom, you don't even know which service you want to stop. that's the problem06:10
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johnxif you asked "How can I turn off BME and what are the consequences?" we'd be able to tell you something06:10
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Loomyup just found 1 for ex in /etc/event.d07:00
Loomi had install netstory  but it didn't work with 1.3 package07:01
Loomso i uninstalled it07:01
Loombut the script with the daenmon is still there07:01
Loomi beileve that maemo's uninstall is crap07:02
Loomand there is alot more services to go07:03
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bistongood morning, is there any way to just ignore the pubkeys error and let aptitude update the repos silently?09:47
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bistoni'm getting these errors day in day out... i have imported the keys from subkeys.pgp.net but it doesn't seem to fix the problem09:48
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johnxbiston, I don't think Nokia signs the extras repository09:50
johnxit's some kind of weird policy decision09:50
johnxwhat happens if you add '--allow-untrusted'?09:51
bistonto apt-get update ?09:54
bistonlet me try that09:54
johnxyou said aptitude earlier :P09:54
bistonah09:54
johnxwith apt-get it's something different09:54
bistonalright, trying to update repos with aptitude update --allow-untrusted09:55
johnxerr, wait, you just want the warning messages to go away?09:56
bistonno just to go away, i want to properly update the repos ofc09:56
johnxthey are updated correctly09:57
bistonwhen i get an error like :09:57
bistonW: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org>09:57
johnxyes, they're updated correctly09:57
bistonit still means that everything was updated?09:57
bistonoh, alright, i did not know that09:57
johnxit's the difference between09:57
johnx'warning' and 'error'09:57
bistonW:09:57
bistonyup alright09:57
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bistonthanks a lot johnx i got the answers/results i needed09:59
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johnxno problem :)09:59
johnxglad I could clear that up09:59
bistonsee ya10:00
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ds3having to tap to cancel a box on Android is so brain dead... wonder nokia patented the click outside to cancel thing10:02
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johnxthey probably couldn't patent it. I've seen it on web pages for a while before maemo 510:03
ds3wonder why Android choosed such a brain dead interface then... it is like everything there is modal10:04
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johnxit tends to be that way on such a small screen. I have to admit I wasn't super impressed with android's UI10:06
johnxactually, what I want to see more people imitating is palm's webOS10:06
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ds3don't think I could find a demo of the webOS gui to play with10:07
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johnxneither can I :|10:08
johnxI actually got to play with someone's phone10:08
ds3ah10:09
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* comawhite starting to wonder if making an irc client for n900 is really worth it10:12
johnxcomawhite, not liking xchat?10:12
comawhitethe screen it too small to really benefit from reading a channel especially if it moves really fast10:12
comawhitejohnx, it's not native to the n90010:13
johnxwell, it's not entirely 'hildonized' but I've got mine setup well enough10:13
comawhiteplus I have to build mobility experience since programming jobs in Qt based jobs require mobility experience more and more now10:13
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comawhiteplus my app will be better than xchat on the n900 anyways10:14
comawhitejust wonder about the text size etc10:14
johnxwell, in that case, I think there's a lot you can do to streamline the IRC experience to make it work better on a small screen10:14
johnxtext size *really, really* needs to be selectable by the user :)10:14
comawhiteit will be10:14
johnxproblem solved, then :)10:15
ds3irc is not really suitable for the N900 from a power standpoint10:15
comawhitebut you'll have to edit the style to do it, since it wll be supporting adium themes10:15
comawhiteds3, that also10:15
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johnxI can see what you mean :|10:16
talonzi think the current client is great for an inbetween pc irc client10:16
talonzi use it alot coming home from work or at meetings that are boring the shit out of me lol10:17
comawhitetalonz, play bullshit bingo10:17
comawhite:P10:17
talonzlol10:18
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comawhitetalonz, well if you have a bouncer like I do, you'd have no trouble using it inbetween pc's10:19
comawhiteI might have to figure something out for people who don't use a bouncer10:20
johnxin terms of the battery life thing, all I can think of is doing some kind of weird store and forward IRC 'proxy' that sits between the N900 and the IRC server10:20
comawhitebut i could leave it up for end developers to make10:20
johnxbouncer is probably the word I was looking for :)10:20
ds3johnx: that stuff exists10:20
comawhiteyeah I use a bouncer between my 2 pc's10:20
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johnxso the bouncer will build up a cache of messages and then push them down to the N900 every so often -or- when the user puts IRC in the foreground -or- someone mentions the user's name10:22
johnxis it something along those lines?10:22
comawhiteif my client takes off, i can always get suggestions from end users to help make it much better10:22
johnxoh, I'm sure you'll get suggestions whether it takes off or not :>10:23
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comawhitejohnx, basically what happens is, the messages are relayed to all the clients that are connected to the bouncer simultaneously.10:23
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johnxcomawhite, which doesn't really solve the power problem at all in the case of the N90010:23
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comawhiteyeah10:25
comawhiteim trying to make it as minimalistic as possible so it doesn't use much cpu10:25
johnxthat helps10:26
comawhitewhich cpu usage causes battery life to go down10:26
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johnxbut keeping the network iface receiving all the time will be pretty bad as well10:26
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comawhitethe only one thing I worry about is the who reply (so I can update user's hostmask, etc)10:27
comawhitejohnx, well it's not like msn, aim, yahoo, etc. It's real time chat10:27
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comawhitehow long does the battery last with xchat?10:28
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johnxyeah. I got that. but when it's in the background, a lot of people don't care unless they get mentioned, especially on a mobile device10:28
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johnxsounds like someone should do a test with xchat :)10:28
comawhitewell if there is a way to tell if an application is in the background, I could disable quite a few things to make it not use much resources10:29
johnxI'm sure there is10:29
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comawhitei'll have to ask some Qt maemo developers in #qt-maemo and see what I can find out about it10:30
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johnxshould be able to tell if the device is 'locked' as well10:30
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comawhitewell I can limit who replies for only the current channel, that will minimise the list updates and just when the user changes channels it will update it10:31
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zogg_i played tap tap revenge 4 on iphone4, maemo sucks =)))10:32
comawhitemaemo is awesome10:32
comawhiteI want to test meego and nitroid out :P10:32
comawhitebut not sure at how to go about it10:32
zogg_than do it10:32
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comawhitesince im still getting used to the n900 (only had it for a day or so) :P10:33
johnxit'd be cool to do all the maemo-ish things when the user gets hilighted, basically have it behave just like the text message/IM app10:33
comawhitejohnx, I will support notifications (like you get with sms) if Qt provides an api for it10:34
gazuhow can I know if my emmc is broken?10:34
gazuI'm having flashinf problems10:35
comawhitewhat is emmc?10:35
johnxthe 'embedded mmc' card, where /home and /opt live10:36
comawhiteah10:36
johnxit's a soldered-on SD card10:36
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johnxwell, basically at least10:36
johnxanyways, 12:30. time for bed :)10:37
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comawhitegoodnight johnsu0110:38
comawhitejohnx, *10:38
gazu???10:39
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JaffaMorning, all10:51
JaffaMohammadAG: pong10:51
lardmanmorning Jaffa10:51
crashanddiemorning10:52
Jaffakhertan: Khweeteur 0.1.6-2 doesn't start for me: error imporitng khweeteur_experimental10:52
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khertanJaffa, ? gnié ?10:56
khertandid you use experimental or "stable" ?10:56
khertandid both version are installed at the same time ?10:56
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Jaffakhertan: Err, khweeteur-experimental has same ver number? Anyway, it's not installed, just khweeteur. Not sure I've ever installed -experimental...10:59
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khertanyep same version number11:00
khertancan you see if /usr/lib/python/site-packages/khweeteur and /usr/lib/python/site-packages/khweeteur-experimental exists ?11:01
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khertanJaffa, did you just update from old version (<0.1.5-2) ? In this case remove it, and reinstall it11:02
Jaffakhertan: yes.11:02
khertani ve put a rm in the postremove script11:02
khertanand didn't realize that postrm is called after the update11:03
Jaffakhertan: hmm. maybe preinst or postinst better?11:03
khertanJaffa, this is for removing residual file due to python compilation11:03
lardmanpraise be to santa, Python scripting callbacks work at last!11:03
gazuany idea how to check if emmc is broken?11:04
Jaffakhertan: doing it in postinst (as well) before compiling new ones would mean seamless upgrade wouldn't it?11:04
khertanyep but will let residual foile11:04
Jaffakhertan: re-installing...11:05
khertanfile when you just remove it11:05
comawhitewhich is better gsm or cdma?11:05
khertancomawhite, wifi11:05
Jaffakhertan: do it in both. Not having the package upgradable is a bit of a blocker IMHO11:05
comawhitei thought gdm/cdma was only for talking and not for web11:06
khertanJaffa, yep :) but i ll not do it again imho :)11:06
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khertanJaffa, this was an error in a extras-devel package :)11:06
Jaffakhertan: ah, ok :)11:06
Jaffakhertan: no tweets shown, and no errors in console11:06
khertanJaffa, i didn't want to push that in prod :)11:06
khertanJaffa, authentified ?11:07
khertanJaffa, after some update, i remove cache, as there is some changes in the cache format11:07
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Jaffakhertan: ah11:08
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Jaffakhertan: feature request: prompt for auth if neither identi.ca or twitter authenticated?11:09
khertanhum ... yep good feature request :)11:09
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Jaffakhertan: working now :)11:12
khertan:)11:13
gazucan I get some help?11:13
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crashanddie~ask11:19
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.11:19
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khertanJaffa, about that ... i got many email from many users about the broken package in extras-devel11:24
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khertanJaffa, it s look like everyone is using extras-devel11:24
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lardmanlcuk: ping11:37
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comawhitefinally managed to get tmobile's 3g to work on my phone, it was annoying11:50
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lardmanwhat was the secret?12:00
comawhitelardman, well I have SimpleMobile, I forgot to set the apn to simple and remove the username and password12:01
comawhitexD12:01
lardmanah :)12:02
comawhite:)12:03
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comawhitenow I have internet where I go, no more stuck only having sms/phone12:04
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comawhitenow if only I can make the phone not go in to a hard lock after 5 seconds - 10 seconds12:05
Shapeshiftergahhhh!! some things are just utterly broken on the n900. I want to play some music from back home. I install sshfs to mount the share. /dev/fuse not allowed... I chmod 777 it out of rage, now mounting works, and the user can see the files, but the 'file browser' thing can't12:05
comawhitei don't mind going black, just like to tap on the screen to unlock instead of hitting the side buttons12:05
Shapeshifterand ofc the media player can't be used to just play files12:05
Shapeshifter>:(12:05
lardmanShapeshifter: it must be possible to tell it to play a specific file as it works with the filemanager12:06
comawhiteShapeshifter, see if you can install cifs on it12:06
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Shapeshiftercifs?? why would I do such a thing12:06
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lardmancomawhite: you want to disable the screenlock? Why? What happens if it's in your pocket?12:06
comawhitethen do mount /<server>/<path> <mount point> -o username=<username>,password=<password>12:06
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comawhitelardman, I have a case for that ;p12:07
comawhiteit's on my belt ^^12:07
lardmanok12:07
comawhitepocket == easy wau for scratches12:07
lardmansettings > display > lock screen automatically12:08
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comawhitelardman, thank you12:08
Shapeshifterlardman: not from the gui at least. I forgot the builtin player command. I heard mplayer does"'t go through pulse or something? hence it would play on the speakers and not earphones?12:08
lardmancomawhite: np12:08
* khertan just understand why hildon-desktop is so slow ... 4 desktop with four 21Mpixel image is a huge error :)12:09
lardmanShapeshifter: not sure about mplayer, but the media-player must have some method of playing a single file, perhaps a DBus call12:09
lardmanlol @ khertan12:09
Shapeshifterwell that's convenient....12:09
comawhitelardman, and to lock it just hit power button or that other button correct?12:09
lardmanI guess so12:10
lardmanI've never tried it tbh12:10
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hueeShapeshifter: maybe a symlink?12:11
Shapeshifterhuee: the mountpoint is 777 and owned by user:users, so....12:13
hueeShapeshifter: what about changing gcon12:13
huee*gconf default file browser?12:14
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Shapeshifterhuee: to what?12:15
hueeShapeshifter: gpe filemanager or whatever else?12:16
Shapeshiftermhh12:16
Shapeshifterwell atm I'm just copying the album I want to listen to to MyDocs so I wont be needing it right now anymore. though really this is daft12:17
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: (speaker not earphones) nice point. I think this switchng is done by PA/ohmd though, and should be mostly transparent to apps12:17
DocScrutinizer(<Shapeshifter> and ofc the media player can't be used to just play files) there's an extension plugin for mediaplayer to allow selecting files for playback12:20
_trinecan the n900 only use .aac files for its ringtone ?12:20
MohammadAGnope, can use all, it converts them to .wav12:20
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: will test later. I heard there's some problem. afaik, mplayer needs to be compiled for pulse or it needs to be run with a prefix wrapper12:20
DocScrutinizerwhat MohammadAG says12:20
_trinewhen I look at the profile I can only see .aac files12:20
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MohammadAGclick other12:21
_trineah ok12:21
DocScrutinizermo moh12:21
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: oh nice, will check that12:21
MohammadAGmorning DocScrutinizer12:22
RST38h...Starting with a dual-core Cortex-A9 at 1GHz, the iOne adds in an extra ARM11 core at 533MHz dedicated to handling camera functions and ensuring ready times of under one second....12:22
* RST38h hands out napkins12:22
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: sorry I can't for the life of me not recall the name, it's too awkward12:22
DocScrutinizerRST38h: LOL12:23
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crashanddieHow do I convert a QString into gchar?12:23
DocScrutinizerQString.toGchar()? just wild guessing :-D12:24
MohammadAG.toAscii()12:24
crashanddieMohammadAG, ascii or latin1?12:24
MohammadAGascii12:24
crashanddie gchar * gstr = (gchar *) malloc(str->length() * sizeof(gchar)); QChar * data = str->data(); while(!data->isNull()) *gstr++ = (data++)->toLatin1();12:24
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DocScrutinizerouch12:25
lardmanRST38h: is that dual arm?? core + an extra arm11?12:25
MohammadAGkinky12:25
MohammadAGThe N8 can do less than a second shots o_O12:26
crashanddieMohammadAG, QString::toAscii returns a QByteArray12:26
MohammadAGreally?12:26
DocScrutinizerwhich is a classic c style char[]12:26
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, is it really? I'm cautious about assuming such things12:27
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DocScrutinizerI've read it yesterday in Qt docs12:27
DocScrutinizercheck backscroll for the two URLs I posted yesterday12:27
crashanddieI believe thou12:28
DocScrutinizerdon't do that12:28
khertan<MohammadAG> The N8 can do less than a second shots o_O <<< the n900 too12:28
DocScrutinizer!12:28
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MohammadAGkhertan, not 12MP pics12:28
crashanddieThough, my lord, since whence do thy program, in Qtence?12:28
khertanMohammadAG, hum ... true :)12:28
MohammadAG:)12:28
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: exactly12:28
MohammadAGplus, Xenon > LED12:28
MohammadAGexcept for a handy flashlight12:29
khertanMohammadAG, and with 12 Mpixel saving photo to slow sd will be slow :)12:29
khertanto be honest i ve try the iphone 4 camera12:29
MohammadAGTrue that12:29
MohammadAGIt's crap :P12:29
khertanwhile in low light results are better than n90012:30
MohammadAGThe N8's UI is smoother than the iPhone 4's12:30
DocScrutinizerand sensor with good low light properties always >>> xenon & LED12:30
MohammadAGkhertan, the N900 is crap in lowlight12:30
khertanyep12:30
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khertanI didn't compare the 4G iphone cam which is nothing more than 5Mpx to a 8 or 12 Mpx with larger objectiv :)12:31
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DocScrutinizerask speedevil about nonsense of 12Mpx with a sensor like you may find in a phone, and esp a lens the size found there12:33
DocScrutinizera few years ago they sacled up 2Mpx optical to 10Mpx interpolated - obviously BS & nonsense. Nowadays the optics do the "interpolation" and they have "real" 10Mpx. The result is the same12:35
DocScrutinizeror even worse12:36
RobbieThe1st_Yea12:37
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RobbieThe1st_I'd like to see camera resolutions measured in "noiseless" MP - i.e. the equivalent MP you get once you downsample to remove the noise under certain light conditions.12:38
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DocScrutinizeror simply lines-H/V resolution12:39
RobbieThe1st_Yea, that'd work12:39
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chxlines-H/V resolution...?12:47
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DocScrutinizerthe number of parallel black lines on white background either horizontal or vertical that can be resolved by the sensor12:48
DocScrutinizerusually < pixel/212:48
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_trineit looks like my n900 does not see .m4r ringtones13:05
_trineis there something i can do13:05
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alteregoTranscode them13:06
alteregowtf is m4r anyway? :D13:06
piggzis it possible to set up nokia messaging on the n900....when i try and create an account at email.nokia.com, i get asked to choose a phone and do it from the phone..but when i do it from the phone, it just creates an imap account13:06
piggzanother q...is it possible to do a memory test on the n900, as im getting tempted to take it to a service centre because it reboots itself _a lot_ ... ive re-flashed inc mmc, and not installed anything from -testing or -devel, and it was ok for a few days, but has recently started rebooting again.  ive turned off email atm to see if that helps13:07
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_trinealterego, m4r apparently is what iphone uses13:10
alteregolame13:10
_trineI have downloaded a whole pile of them off the net13:10
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alterego*cough* lame ...13:12
alterego:)13:12
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DocScrutinizerpiggz: you shouldn't assume things, then ask how to properly tackle them. Rather ask for guidance how to tackle the root problem. Here: there are ways to find out *why* N900 reboots. And a mem test is largely useless as memory usually isn't failing in this way (except if device had been overclocked in the past). Also memory isn't same as storage.13:18
alteregoNow to work out why my network server plugin stops location services from starting up :/13:18
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Scorcereris it possible to use multiple booting images from N900 to boot a PC using n900 as a usb-drive?13:20
piggzDocScrutinizer: ok, how can i find out why it reboots (btw, im a programmer and an well aware of the differences between ram and storage ;) ... the n900 doesnt keep a /var/log/messages, as i was hoping to find somethin useful there13:20
* ShadowJK shakes head at fennec 4 beta release notes page not working in MicroB13:20
Scorcereri mean, without having to erase each image and copy new to microsd card ?13:20
alteregoScorcerer: maybe, look at how usb mass storage mode works.13:21
DocScrutinizerpiggz: for syslog install sysklogd package13:21
gazuno media player and camera after flashing13:21
gazuany idea??13:21
DocScrutinizerwill create a /var/log/syslog13:21
piggzcheers13:21
ShadowJKpiggz: /var/lib/dsme/stats contain some stuff. /proc/bootreason tells you why it powered on. /dev/mtd2 is a circular buffer recording kernel OOPS13:22
piggzcool13:22
DocScrutinizerpiggz: see? :-D13:22
piggzso, my bootreason is software reset13:23
DocScrutinizerthis sounds like ntentional reboot13:23
ShadowJK/var/lib/dsme/stats is next stop then13:24
DocScrutinizeror dsme getting upset about one of it's monitored processes respawning (too often)13:24
ShadowJKlifeguard_resets iirc13:24
piggzlifeguard-restarts says13:24
piggzhildon-home: 113:25
DocScrutinizerpiggz: which system rev?13:25
piggzDocScrutinizer: 1.313:25
piggzcamera-ui: 613:25
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piggzohm-session-agent: 113:25
piggzsapwood-server: 113:25
ShadowJK-restarts is just restart of a single process, not system restart13:25
piggzresets has a line containg Xorg cmdline13:26
ShadowJKI think sw-rst also happens when kernel itself decides to reboot, which it does on oops, in which case /dev/mtd2 has it (and older ones)13:27
piggzhow do i get a '>' char to output to a file?13:28
piggzfound it :)13:29
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piggzShadowJK: DocScrutinizer: so, i guess my kernel is panicing http://pastebin.ca/202710113:33
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: these instructions need to go to a wiki page :-)13:33
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DocScrutinizera bit terse13:34
DocScrutinizeri.e. no register dump, no stack traceback, nothing13:34
DocScrutinizernot useful13:35
piggzhttp://pastebin.ca/202710413:35
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piggzDocScrutinizer: mos in that one13:35
piggzs/more13:35
DocScrutinizerEEEW >>Unable to handle kernel paging request13:36
* ShadowJK sometimes gets backtrace13:36
crashanddieanyone familiar with the deal between MafwPlaylist and MafwProxyPlaylist?13:36
piggzDocScrutinizer: so, its bad ok...ideas? :)13:37
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DocScrutinizernot yet. Sounds like a real BUG13:37
DocScrutinizeror even hw broken?13:37
ShadowJKI missed the start, does it "randomly" crash, or when you do a specific thing?13:37
piggzShadowJK: randomly13:38
ShadowJK:/13:38
DocScrutinizerswap corrupt?13:38
piggzif the swap is on the emmc, i flashed that a few days ago13:38
DocScrutinizeronly way to find out: get even more of that OOPS from mtd2, then look at kernel sources to find out what's causing it13:39
piggzDocScrutinizer: there are more oopses in the file above....the file itself is too big to pastebin13:39
piggzhttp://pastebin.ca/2027110 .... i presume this one is my massive uptime of 44 seconds from early this morning!13:41
Choomyou only last 44 seconds?13:42
piggzChoom: no, that was a one off, its usually longer than that :)13:42
Jaffakhertan: I'm not, but tried Khweeteur from there when you said something recently.13:43
Jaffakhertan: Fools on TMO do not most users make13:43
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piggzDocScrutinizer: ShadowJK: www.piggz.co.uk/mtd2 is all the oops (256k)13:46
piggzany help is greatly appreciated13:47
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DocScrutinizerchx: ( <chx> lines-H/V resolution...? ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_star   and   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_resolution#Measuring_optical_resolution13:48
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DocScrutinizerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EIA_Resolution_Chart_1956.svg13:50
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/2488013.mspx   X-P13:58
DocScrutinizer(vuln in MSIE)13:58
DocScrutinizersorry, quite OT13:59
ShadowJKpiggz: from those earlier pastes only thing I could think of was swapspace or the emmc itself being broken :/14:04
piggzShadowJK: how to check swapspace?  do you think the messages will help a service centre?14:05
ShadowJKI doubt it14:06
piggzShadowJK: the other day /home got remounted ro ( i noticed after i coudnt get any mail)14:06
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ShadowJKit does sound alot like a hw problem though14:07
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piggzok, i guess i will take it for repair14:07
ShadowJKit's painful. My own N900 needs to go in for repair too :(14:07
ShadowJKpainful to be without it for 2 weeks I mean14:08
piggzi will be left with my wifes old sony ericsson :(14:08
piggz;)14:08
RST38hPoor guy...14:08
RST38hBut imagine if you had to use Motorola RAZR in the meanwhile!14:08
piggzhas https://publish.ovi.com/content_items/new been returning error 500 for some time? i was going to try and post an app for n90014:09
piggzShadowJK: what is wrong with your phone?14:09
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jacekowskiShadowJK: usb port?14:11
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ShadowJKNo the cellular modem part has probably desoldered itself14:18
DocScrutinizer-8ohohohowow14:19
ShadowJKI had issues earlier, sent it to nokia, they did nothing, but I noticed it was mostly fine using the thinnest and most convex shaped battery I had14:19
DocScrutinizer-8errr what?14:20
ShadowJKnow it's so bad that doing ctrl-backspace can cause modem to reset14:20
ShadowJKor closing slider14:22
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ShadowJKor having the phone in my pocket14:22
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DocScrutinizer*cough*14:22
DocScrutinizershould do that as well14:23
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alteregoHeh, I think I've got one thing I need to get14:24
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MohammadAGalterego, aww, don't feel sad14:25
* MohammadAG hands alterego a segfault14:26
MohammadAGthere you go :)14:26
alteregoIf only it were a segfault :P14:27
alteregoI've narrowed down my issue, this time, to my network service plugin.14:27
alteregoWhen it's absent it works, when it's there it doesn't.14:28
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alteregoThis is where I need someone with serious debugging skills :)14:36
lcukalterego, throw some massive printfs in there14:38
lcukyou know you have enough when it slows down your network when using ssh ;)14:39
* lcuk once debugged every single graphical operation as it was rendered14:39
Choommust have been a lot of spam14:39
lcukover 10000 lines of debug per rendering stage14:39
alteregolcuk: already is14:39
alteregolcuk: nothing appears to be going wrong.14:39
alteregoBut location services aren't started, I remove the network plugin and location services start fine.14:40
lcukthen you are missing the area14:40
alteregoI suspect some linking problem.14:40
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alteregolcuk: the other point is, the plugin isn't even doing anything, it just gets loaded.14:43
lcuk"just" ;)14:44
lcukwhat chance that inside your plugin you are replacing a system function14:44
lcukthat then means you are not calling official function but rather your replacement to do some critical step in the protocol14:44
alteregoYes, that's the kind of thing I was thinking.14:45
alteregootoh, a plugin is a set of classes..14:46
alteregoSo I would have thought that'd be pretty hard.14:46
* alterego looks at readelf and feels slighhtly christmassy14:48
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lcuklol14:49
alteregoreadelf is binutils isn't it?14:49
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alteregolcuk: you any good at this kind of thing? :)14:58
alteregoI don't see anything untoward in the symbol table.14:58
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alteregoI'm gonna write a minimal test case ..15:04
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JaffaX-Fade: Do you know if it's a known bug that "raw" links in garage git don't work? https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=blob;f=package/po/hermes.pot;hb=HEAD - click 'raw' and you get an empty page with the standard header/footer rather than the resource itself.15:15
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alteregolcuk: well, I can load location services and my plugin in a test app ::/15:17
alteregoThough not now ..15:17
alteregoHrm ..15:17
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alteregoSo, it looks like the order of loading a plugin before starting location services breaks it.15:22
alteregos/a/the/15:22
infobotalterego meant: So, it looks like the order of lotheding a plugin before starting location services breaks it.15:22
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DocScrutinizerorder of loading indicates it's actually redefining symbols15:59
DocScrutinizererr lotheding15:59
alteregoThat's what I was thinking.16:02
alteregoHeh16:03
alteregoWell, my plugins depend on some of the same shared libs.16:03
alteregoBut that should be fine.16:03
* alterego sighs, I'll have a look into it later.16:03
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DocScrutinizerwhat's the UID (not EUID) in postinstall scripts when called by HAM? is this user or root?16:37
MohammadAG~seen _nicolai16:37
infobotMohammadAG: i haven't seen '_nicolai'16:37
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DocScrutinizeror let me put it this way: how to decide what's the "standard" user that owns the GUI? It might eventually change from user "user" to arbitrary different user name16:39
DocScrutinizeror maybe that way: how's optification dealing with ~user/MyDocs? There *might* be nor /home/user/MyDocs but instead a /home/joerg/MyDocs16:40
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DocScrutinizersystem global generic setups (like pathes to cache etc) MUST NOT rely on arbitrary random user account details, like name of $HOME16:42
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DocScrutinizer~211916:42
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.16:42
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DocScrutinizersuggested fix: bindmount MyDocs to /MyDocs-generic16:43
DocScrutinizeruse this path only, for ~optification16:44
DocScrutinizereven other way round: mount to /MyDocs-generic, bindmount to $HOME/MyDocs16:45
timeless_mbphrm16:45
timeless_mbpanyone here ever used Nokia Messaging?16:45
* timeless_mbp is scared16:45
DocScrutinizerof Nokia Messaging? hehe, me too16:46
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: IIRC you got a better knowledge about the guts of optification. Any comments about above elaborated topic?16:47
lardmancan anyone recommend an easy Linux app to make a small png image, something like Paint.net16:47
DocScrutinizermake?16:47
crashanddielardman, I usually use some online flash-based image editor16:48
* timeless_mbp cries16:48
timeless_mbpso, i got this n900 from the localization testing team16:48
timeless_mbpit's really scaring me16:49
DocScrutinizerLOL16:49
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timeless_mbpi'll post pictures once i figure out how to get them off this n90016:53
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DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: Ass Rage mode should work, even with arabic or cyrillic directory names16:57
DocScrutinizerctl-sh-p also works on most kbd layouts16:58
* DocScrutinizer wonders idly if location of 'p' key in western layouts will also trigger screenshots - when pressed together with shift + ctl - on really exotic layouts that may have 'p' on other location or no 'p' key at all17:00
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/nokmes/Screenshot-20090101-082953.png17:01
timeless_mbp"Disable sync when Never"17:01
timeless_mbpthat sounds great17:01
timeless_mbpoh, for the curious, if you select "Disable sync when Battery at 15%", it's perfectly legal for it to start syncing again at 14% :)17:01
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timeless_mbp...17:02
DocScrutinizer:shudder:17:02
timeless_mbpanyway, i encourage people to browse through that picture set17:02
timeless_mbpit's ... impressive17:02
timeless_mbpoh, as you may notice, most nokia messaging dialogs are system modal17:02
timeless_mbpespecially the "you didn't store you password, so i'm going to constantly bother you" dialog,17:03
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: WTF are you working on? Me Ego is breaking...17:03
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: i was given an n900 (CE) to replace my dead n90017:03
timeless_mbpbefore i cleaned it out, i looked to see what it had17:04
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timeless_mbpit had nokia messaging w/ two accounts, plus skype and some other stuff17:04
timeless_mbpwhich makes it possible for me to review things17:04
DocScrutinizeroh, so that's random unsorted app crap17:04
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timeless_mbpthis isn't "work"17:04
timeless_mbpwell, i think almost all of the pictures in that dir are from nokia messaging17:05
timeless_mbpactually, it has *two* skype accounts :o17:06
DocScrutinizernokmes is nice. Though nokmess would fit even better?17:06
timeless_mbpi can rename17:06
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timeless_mbpok, renamed17:07
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DocScrutinizerheh :-D17:08
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rcghmmz.. seems like i borked my package: http://maemo.org/packages/view/binaryclock-plugin17:11
rcgany hint on how to recover from this situation?17:12
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rcgi think it was caused because i accidentally had a description field as follows: http://pastebin.com/mr7HyB1Y17:14
rcgnot the '.' in front of the description text17:14
rcg*note17:14
rcgnow, even with a fixed description it is not picking it up17:15
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petteriseems that the twitter app Khweeteur got extras with broken dependencies17:17
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userhey all.. someone knows about using bluefish on n900..couldn't find recen discussions about it17:18
lardman~lart Ubuntu's apt-get for getting stuck doing God only knows what17:20
* infobot pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Ubuntu's apt-get for getting stuck doing God only knows what17:20
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userhey all.. someone knows about using bluefish on n900..couldn't find recen discussions about it17:22
lardmananyone know how I can purge a package from the package cache, I reckon it's broken which is making apt-get unhappy?17:22
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smharis there any update regarding a decent email client for N900?17:25
paulyhi17:26
timeless_mbpmail.google.com/mail/h and mail.google.com/mail/x :)17:26
paulyim trying to use transmission in easy debian for n900 but i dont think it can get access to the internet. any ideas?17:27
alteregoWhy not use transmission for maemo?17:28
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keriowhy are you using a bittorrent client on a device with short battery life and small ram?17:29
SpeedEvilbittorrent will drain the battery in ~2-3 hours over 3g17:29
khertanYoupla ... Khweeteur ... dependencies missing !17:29
khertanthx maemo package web promoter17:30
khertanhum no xface17:30
khertanxfade17:30
DocScrutinizerrcg: picking up descriptions takes quite a while, for some webpages17:30
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smhartimeless_mbp, I meant an offline POP3 email17:31
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paulyi like to use it cause its fun17:31
DocScrutinizerlardman: wasn't there some clean and purge options to apt-get?17:33
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rcgDocScrutinizer: i see.. i'll be more patient, thanks17:34
MohammadAGhmm, how do I play audio only with mplayer?17:35
khertanSomeone here have admin right on the extras repository ?17:36
* khertan is thinking of doing his own application installer which will use python setup tool to install his apps ...17:37
MohammadAGX-Fade17:37
MohammadAGwhy?17:37
MohammadAGit's like having debs and rpms on one system17:37
DocScrutinizerlardman: apt-get clean; # I guess17:37
MohammadAGthat removes packages from cache DocScrutinizer17:38
MohammadAGi.e rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb17:38
DocScrutinizerwasn't that exactly what lardman asked for?17:38
MohammadAGI have no idea what he asked for :P17:38
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-23 16:22:13] <lardman> anyone know how I can purge a package from the package cache, I reckon it's broken which is making apt-get unhappy?17:39
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MohammadAGHmm, this only clears temp17:39
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: enough suspense now! Tell us how to do it right :-D17:41
MohammadAGdpkg --configure -a should tell it to stfu and work17:41
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DocScrutinizerhow's dpkg going to make apt-get happy again?17:42
MohammadAGapt is a frontend for dpkg :P17:43
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DocScrutinizerso is  dpkg --configure -a going to clean up /var/cache/apt/archives/* ?17:44
DocScrutinizerand will remove a possibly borked file there?17:44
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khertanMohammadAG, deb or rpm can be good as they can ... but if the repository is crappy ... deb or rpm format will not help17:49
khertanMohammadAG, package promoter to extras didn't promote some dependencies17:49
khertan:)17:49
MohammadAGwhat section are they in?17:50
khertandon't know ...17:50
khertanit s a dependencies of a apps17:50
khertanso should be promoted too17:50
MohammadAGwell, if they're in user/, they shouldn't, no17:50
khertanMohammadAG, for a liB ?17:51
khertanthis is stupid17:51
khertanhow did you promote a lib so ?17:51
khertanas it should promote dependencies too17:51
MohammadAGshouldn't be in user/17:51
MohammadAGuser/* even17:51
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khertanwhat the purpose of the test if your tests didn't use the same libs ?17:51
khertanstupid again17:52
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khertanhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/python-setuptools/0.6c9-1maemo2/17:52
DocScrutinizeruser/ ??17:52
DocScrutinizeraaah HAM categories17:52
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khertanpfff17:52
khertani already regrets coming back to maemo extras repository17:53
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DocScrutinizerkhertan: everybody does :-D17:53
MohammadAGwhen is xmas exactly over?17:53
DocScrutinizer27.12.?17:54
MohammadAGI know it's one night, but how long do people keep saying merry xmas and all?17:54
SpeedEvilDec 24.17:54
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DocScrutinizerit's actually night of 24.->25. and the whole 25. and 26.17:54
MohammadAGis that 24 or 27? :P17:54
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DocScrutinizerso 27.12. is a "normal day"17:55
OEXPLI can't find python3 for maemo. Should I compile it myself or does anybody knows where it is downloadable? I can only  find 2.X.17:55
MohammadAGcause only 2.x is available :P17:56
OEXPLdamn xD17:56
jacekowskipython sucks17:56
OEXPLyeah whatever jacekowski17:56
jacekowskiand version 3 sucks as much as version 217:56
OEXPLI don't care.17:56
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paulyanyone using the openjdk jre?18:02
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OEXPLI can't understand why there isn't a package for python3 :/18:03
jacekowskinobody made it18:03
jacekowskinobody cares18:03
jacekowskithere is nothing new in that braindead something18:03
OEXPLI usually will hack my Qt programs in C++ for n900, but python would be good for some fast things, and I learned just 3.0, because 2.X will sooner or later die...18:04
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jacekowskipython and fast in same sentence?18:04
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khertan<jacekowski> python sucks < lol18:05
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khertan<jacekowski> python and fast in same sentence? << exactly18:05
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OEXPLjacekowski, fast means = make some tools fast, not reletated to performance, anyway, keep trolling.18:08
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khertanjacekowski, ah .... you are the guy which make unlocked fm transmitter frequency app which didn't work ...18:11
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pupnikanybody still have gitorious.org's IP address?18:24
MohammadAG#gitorious?18:25
MohammadAG<bjwebb> http://87.238.52.168/ works18:25
MohammadAGpupnik, ^18:25
pupniktytyty18:25
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MohammadAGyw^318:26
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zogg_odf is russian national standart now =) oh yeah!!! ftw18:30
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lardmanhmm, seemingly wasn't a broken package, I manually deleted it and it downloaded again, same size, and has now been unpacking for ~1hr18:31
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khertanDNS service for this domain has expired with DNS Made Easy18:34
khertanmouarf18:34
jacekowskikhertan: it does work18:34
khertanjacekowski, doesn't for me18:34
MohammadAGworksforme18:34
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jacekowskikhertan: works for everybody18:35
jacekowskikhertan: what is the problem?18:35
khertannope i ve an other case :)18:35
jacekowskikhertan: just no fmtxd at all?18:35
khertan;)18:35
khertanexactly18:35
jacekowskiwell, then you are doing it worn18:35
jacekowskiwrong18:35
jacekowskiyou have to download it18:35
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jacekowskiand then change chmods18:35
Laurentosmaemo18:35
khertanand on the other n900 didn't see any more frequencies18:35
jacekowskiLaurentos: we say hello18:35
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MohammadAGlol jacekowski18:36
Laurentosmaemo18:36
khertanbut to be honest i didn't care ... just trolling you as you re trolling on python :)18:36
jacekowskikhertan: follow that instruction step by step18:36
jacekowskikhertan: people even made videos of it working18:36
Laurentosmaemo18:36
jacekowskiLaurentos: stop repeating youself18:36
khertanLaurentos, meego ?18:36
jacekowskiLaurentos: and state your intentions18:36
jacekowskiLaurentos: or we will open fire18:37
Laurentosbut it's a correct word18:37
MohammadAGjacekowski, he's a bot18:37
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MohammadAGseen one before18:37
MohammadAGnow it'll start calling me an idiot18:37
Laurentosmohammadag, go back to mekka18:37
MohammadAGyep18:37
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MohammadAGsame bot that was here 2 months ago18:37
jacekowskiMohammadAG: btw. i never asked you that18:37
jacekowskiMohammadAG: are you a muslim or not?18:37
Laurentosis mekka the synonym for idiot for you, mohammad? interesting18:37
MohammadAGDoesn't my nick give it away jacekowski? :P18:37
jacekowskiwell, not really18:38
MohammadAGLaurentos, please fuck off, thank you :)18:38
jacekowskiand you pray every day at 12:00?18:38
jacekowskiand believe in 72 virgins18:38
jacekowskiand stuff?18:38
LaurentosmohammadAG sucks18:38
MohammadAGno, not exactly the most religous person18:38
MohammadAG72 virgins wtf?18:38
Laurentosmohammadag is a moron18:38
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, we have a fag18:38
jacekowskiMohammadAG: after dead18:38
Laurentosmohammadag is a moron18:38
jacekowskideath*18:38
Laurentosmohammadag is a moron18:38
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MohammadAGjacekowski, never heard of that18:39
MohammadAGxD18:39
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jacekowskiLaurentos: MohammadAG wtf?18:39
jacekowskiMohammadAG: wtf?18:39
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri18:39
jacekowskiMohammadAG: The concept of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Imam at-Tirmidhi in his "Sunan" (Volume IV, Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah", chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven", hadith 2687) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Qur'anic Commentary) of Surah Qur'an 55:72, it is stated that:18:39
pupnikwhat's your fucking problem, asswipe18:39
pupnikjacekowski:18:39
jacekowskipupnik: it's not a problem18:40
jacekowskipupnik: i'm just asking18:40
pupnikok18:40
DocScrutinizer51what's up? play nice, kids!18:40
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, bot, it was killed18:40
MohammadAGjacekowski, *reads*18:40
DocScrutinizerummm18:40
jacekowskilot of people here believe that muslims are people that blow themselves up and beat their wives18:40
pupniki believe that synergy client still doesn't auto-unhide the cursor on tablets, correct?18:41
rysiek|plyeah, the "scary terrists"18:41
SpeedEviljacekowski: beat their wives, and then blow themselves up.18:41
DocScrutinizerwho killed it?18:41
MohammadAGjacekowski, I don't recall that being 7218:41
SpeedEviljacekowski: The other way round is harder18:41
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, Chuck norris, err, freenode staff18:42
DocScrutinizerk, so no action needed18:42
MohammadAGjacekowski, not exactly true lol18:42
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MohammadAGjacekowski, both sides have extermists18:43
MohammadAGAmericans have suicide people who open fire in malls and crap18:43
rysiek|plMohammadAG: +1 on that18:43
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: were you able to trace it down to a particular region or user?18:43
pupniki'm surprised there aren't more funny games about that18:43
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, hmm?18:44
DocScrutinizerthe bot18:44
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MohammadAG* Laurentos (~Laurentos@84-75-180-79.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #maemo18:44
rysiek|pland running around shouting "OMG ISLAMIST EXTREMISTS WILL KILL US" doesn't help, crates an atmosphere of fright18:44
* pupnik isn't scared of anybody18:45
rysiek|plwhich in turn causes people to treat alleged "terrists" badly (i.e. additional checks at airports)18:45
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MohammadAGrysiek|pl, you don't have to tell me about that18:45
* MohammadAG missed the MeeGo conference cause of visa issues18:45
DocScrutinizera schweizer :-P18:45
rysiek|plwhich leads to people getting pissed off18:46
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rysiek|pland there is no moment to make somebody do something stupid (i.e. blow himself up) when they're pissed18:46
MohammadAGo/ javispedro18:46
javispedrohello18:46
rysiek|pl*no better moment18:46
javispedroa friendly warning: skype will consume your battery today18:46
MohammadAGAn explanation for that warning; servers are fucked18:47
javispedroyep18:47
DocScrutinizerand btw "blow their wives and beat themselves up"18:47
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jacekowskijavispedro: we know that18:47
MohammadAGAn example for the warning: 2 batteries gone in 3 hours18:47
MohammadAGbtw18:47
khertanFriendly advice : stop trying to push to gitorious.org server18:47
MohammadAGwhen a battery gets enormously huge18:47
rysiek|plDocScrutinizer: have I had a wife I wouldn't probably want to beat myself up after blowing my wife...18:47
MohammadAGshould I blow it up? :P18:47
* javispedro search irc logs18:48
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khertanseems they forgot to renew dns18:48
javispedro*searched18:48
rysiek|plkhertan: ERROR ID 10T18:48
rysiek|pl-_-'18:48
MohammadAGthis thing doesn't allow the cover to close18:48
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, any advice on this?18:48
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DocScrutinizererr what?18:48
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, my battery's "swollen"18:48
DocScrutinizerABANDON AREA! DUCK AND COVER!18:49
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: replace it18:49
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: you may be able to get it replaced.18:49
rysiek|plACTIVATE RESTON518:49
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: as it shouldn't do that.18:49
MohammadAGand if I don't?18:49
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: risks popping18:49
MohammadAGWould it implode/explode/eat people18:49
MohammadAGpopping?18:49
* MohammadAG expected explosions and stuff18:49
rysiek|plsnap crackle and pop18:50
SpeedEvilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU18:50
SpeedEvilthat18:50
rysiek|plMohammadAG: and you say you're not a "terrist"18:50
MohammadAGrysiek|pl, I terrorise mobiles18:50
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DocScrutinizermhm, my daily mbarcode update :-D18:51
rysiek|plMohammadAG: as long as you're not mobilising terrorists, I'm cool18:51
MohammadAGrysiek|pl, I do that quite well, in CoD18:51
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, that's called a "pop"?18:52
rysiek|plMohammadAG: don't try it IRL/AFK, or you'll get a visit from DoD ;)18:52
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MohammadAGIf that's a pop18:53
MohammadAGwhat do sites mean when a battery explodes?18:53
MohammadAGI wonder how that would go when we get nuclear batteries18:53
MohammadAG*gets pissed, removes battery cover, tears off pins, throws battery*18:54
Jaffa"Kaboom. There was supposed to be a kaboom"18:54
MohammadAGoh hey Jaffa :)18:54
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khertanJaffa, any admin access to maemo repository ?19:01
khertanhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/khweeteur/0.0.52-1/19:02
khertanhave broken dependencies in extras :)19:02
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: If you don't actually stab them, the result tends to be a lot more modest19:02
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: fire can still result, though is not as likely19:02
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you you managed to get that pregnant battery?19:05
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keriodude, you should always use a condom19:24
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dnearyAll done with maemo paid work...19:28
dnearyIt'll be interesting to see if anyone notices in January ;)19:28
* MohammadAG will :P19:29
MohammadAGkerio, I was out19:29
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> lcuk, this is one f***ing nice concept :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlcfB9ZPmJw19:30
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> basically, pause the video, let it load, then play it, and use the numbers in the video19:30
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> read the comments, people came up with nice notes :D19:30
kerioOH SHIT THAT'S AWESOME19:32
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MohammadAGplay star wars, it's in the comments19:33
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rysiek|plthat. is. awesome.19:35
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xim_is it possible to extract sms messages off my n900 in a way they can be read on a pc?19:37
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xim_so i read that its stored in an sqlite database, which it turns out i am comfortable using, any idea where the file with the database in it is stored?19:42
khertanoh god downloading n900 image 2Ko/s19:42
khertanouch19:42
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khertanthere isn't any 64b flasher ?19:43
MohammadAGkhertan, linux?19:47
khertanyep19:47
MohammadAGdebian?19:47
MohammadAG--force-architecture when installing it19:48
khertanyep19:48
khertanbut this mean also 32bit libs :)19:48
MohammadAGyou need ia32-libs19:48
MohammadAGyes19:48
khertanwhich i didn't on the pc i m currently19:48
khertan:)19:48
khertanwhich i didn't install on the pc i m currently19:48
khertandue to insecurity of this thing :)19:48
MohammadAGheh19:49
MohammadAGalterego, did you give vsync drivers a shot on MeeGo?19:49
khertanbut hum ... will use an other machine so :)19:49
MohammadAGcrap, flashed the kernel instead of loading it temporarly19:49
MohammadAGtemporarily even19:49
khertan:)19:50
MohammadAGmeego's actually very usable with it19:50
MohammadAGcept for some minor major stuff, like no phone daemon running :)19:50
khertani will not call this minor19:51
khertan:)19:51
MohammadAGas I said, minor major :P19:51
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khertanthis other major seems have been fixed recently : pyside :)19:51
khertanok not major for everyone :)19:51
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lardmanis it possible to remove an item from the updates list?20:05
lardmanin HAM20:05
lardmani.e. ignore it20:05
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lardmanI'd like to ignore the kernel-power v46 update as it removes the ability to boot Meego, and am getting bored of having to click each package one by one to update them20:07
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MohammadAGlardman, update to kernel-power 4620:11
MohammadAGthen install my package, uboot-power20:11
MohammadAGit's based on v4620:11
lardmanthat works ok then?20:11
MohammadAGyep, ask DocScrutinizer :)20:12
lardmanI couldn't quite work out whether it would do what it said in the package description, so I steered clear20:12
MohammadAGit bites heads off :P20:12
DocScrutinizeruboot-power46 comes with pk, at least I never installed pk prior to or after it20:12
lardmanok20:12
MohammadAGjust make sure you have the latest kp modules20:13
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MohammadAGi.e update kernel-power20:13
lardmanMohammadAG: has the new media player dropped files? I only see 3 source files + 3 headers + 3 ui files20:13
DocScrutinizerjust installed uboot-p46 and h-e-n. everything fine :-D20:13
MohammadAGlardman, I don't recall it did :P20:13
lardmanah 4 source + headers20:13
lardmaniirc it had more, perhaps I'm going mad20:14
MohammadAGhttp://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/trees/master20:14
MohammadAGno, it's more20:14
MohammadAGhave a look at http://gitorious.org/~slauwers/qt-mediaplayer/slauwers-foss-mediaplayer20:14
MohammadAGI need to figure out how to process merge requests20:14
lardmanI need to work out how to git pull20:15
lcuklardman, "git clone http://git.gitorious.org/~slauwers/qt-mediaplayer/slauwers-foss-mediaplayer.git"20:16
lardmanwhich one is the active one?20:16
lardmanlcuk: ah, I was meaning to ask you to point me towards your postinst scripts20:16
Jaffakhertan: nope. best is to raise an urgent bug20:17
lardmanI've sorted the decoding and python plugin issues, so am pretty much ready to shoot for Extras proper20:17
lcuklardman, preinst20:17
lardmanwell either way ;)20:17
lardmanamazing how much work one can do by stringing together more than an hour at a time when you're tired in the evening!20:18
lcukhttps://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/debian/libliqbase1.preinst#L720:18
lardmanthanks20:18
lcukand its possible to find issues, if noticed then let me know20:18
lardmanwill do20:19
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lardmanit's only taken me 2 years, but now I can get on with the app that I wanted to write using barcode scanning (via mBarcode)20:21
lardmanall good :)20:21
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lardmanhmm, what's up with the extra telepathy plugins20:25
lardmanah, extras-devel probably20:25
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lardmanMohammadAG: the only thing HAM shows me with uboot in the name is uboot-pr1320:27
lardmanapt-get job I guess?20:28
MohammadAGHmm, I put it in the same section I think20:29
MohammadAGlardman, http://maemo.org/packages/view/uboot-power/20:29
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lardmanI had a repo update error, so that may be it20:30
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lardmanMohammadAG: installed via apt-get and works fine, thanks :)20:32
lardmanso in retrospect, not sure what was wrong with HAM there20:32
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esaym153anyone wanting to sell me a cheap n900?20:40
SpeedEvilI want to sell the world cheap n900s.20:41
SpeedEvilIc an't - but I want to.20:41
Nomai want to sell you a expensive n90020:41
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esaym153Noma: I might be interested20:43
steinexesaym153: germany?20:43
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esaym153USA20:43
steinexkk, then i'm out20:43
Nomai'm in finland so i think it really might be expensive for you20:43
steinexi could sell you a vodafone.de-locked one20:44
DocScrutinizerheh, actually locked?20:44
chxesaym153: hey i have a warehouse worth of cheap n900 phones here but need to pay a small customs fee to access to them, care wire me some 5000 dollars ?20:44
DocScrutinizersimlock or netlock?20:44
steinexnetlock20:45
DocScrutinizereeew20:45
esaym153unlocked hopefully...20:45
steinexat least i think so ;)20:45
esaym153chx: 5000 yen?20:45
steinexi'm not actually sure20:45
mikki-kuncan a n900 be netlocked?20:45
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mikki-kunand even if, reinstalling new pr should kill it20:46
MohammadAGor so you think :P20:47
steinexmikki-kun: yeah might be, i've upgraded it to 1.3 and never cared if another sim/net works20:47
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: that's quite questionable. the cellmo FW is closed20:47
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mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: but how on earth can they netlock it?20:48
DocScrutinizerand if there's a lock bit set in some config area in cellmo, then you won't unlock it by a simple reflash20:48
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mikki-kunspecial permission by nokia?20:48
MohammadAGnot really20:48
DocScrutinizerthat's done by Nokia20:48
MohammadAGlocking is possible since PR1.120:48
mikki-kunÖ.ö20:48
mikki-kunomfg20:48
steinexnetlock = every vodafone.de sim works, right?20:49
steinexsimlock = just this very sim works?20:49
MohammadAGthat's why there's an Unlock operator crap option in Settings > tap title bar20:49
DocScrutinizernetlock=every SIM of e.g simyo or mobilecm or whatever works, as long as same carrier network. Simlock=only vodafone sims work20:50
DocScrutinizerfor some weird reason it seems netlocks are harder to unlock than simlocks20:51
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DocScrutinizeralso yoiu can't roam with netlocked phone20:51
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DocScrutinizerI might be wrong though20:52
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: exactly20:53
DocScrutinizerI think in Pr<1.1 this has been a button to enter PUK, there in settings-menu. Wonder where's that gone20:55
DocScrutinizeraah, yeah. nevermind20:56
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Choomare there any carriers actually selling locked N900?21:01
chxwait, are there any carries actually sellling N900?21:01
zogg_DocScrutinizer iphone rulezzzz21:01
Choomzogg_: if you're willing to bend over and take it from apple, then I agree, otherwise it's way too uncomfortable to bear21:02
zogg_Choom, you don't get it, they have tap tap revenge 421:03
zogg_and if you want to be serious it's better gay sex than no sex in life is Nokia is not interested in you anymore21:03
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RST38hmmm21:05
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zogg_RST38h are you happy for ODF elected to be your national standart?21:06
Choomzogg_: personally I do not appreciate the way treats both developers and customers with the app store21:06
Choomzogg_: personally I do not appreciate the way *apple* treats both developers and customers with the app store21:06
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zogg_RST38h, and that mihalkov wants 1% of phones from Nokia, HTC and Samsung for copyright content ?21:06
zogg_Choom and you are very happy for OVI?21:07
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RST38hzogg_: What are you? And what are you talking about?21:07
Choomuntil they give up on their monopolistic behavior (or get sued to oblivion like Microsoft did over IE and interoperability in the EU) they shall never see a single cent from me21:07
zogg_and don't say there are official repos, cause it's community work there so devs work for maemo repo for experience users is liek devs jailbreak and open repos for iphone for experience users =)21:07
Choomzogg_: I'm happy for not being locked to OVI21:07
zogg_RST38h, забыл меня ? =(21:08
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Choomzogg_: jailbreaking isn't legal in the EU, which happens to be where I live21:08
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* RST38h does not readUnicode21:08
ChoomZogG: it also comes with the problem of voiding the warranty, which in the EU is of 2 years for all consumer products21:09
Choomoops21:09
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evilsquelchhello21:09
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Choomah, it completed to the right name21:09
evilsquelchhello21:09
evilsquelchanyone have nitdroid working?21:09
ZogGRST38h hmmm, do you use cp1251?21:09
ZogGevilsquelch if you want 2.3 don't ask - just wait21:10
RST38hZogG: this particular console is latin21:11
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ZogGRST38h, aren't you russian?21:11
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RST38hin a way, yes21:11
ZogGRST38h damn i was too inactive here for a long time u forgot me =(21:13
ZogGeven DocScrutinizer doesn't liek me like before21:13
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ZogGand DocScrutinizer-8 is not cool as DocScrutinizer5121:14
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RST38hZogG: No, you have not been trolling before and now you are trolling =)21:16
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ZogGRST38h i was always been trolling =)21:18
ZogGhave*21:18
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ZogGjust i was trolling fat and for joek, and even now i do, but about apple and nokia sex - it's kinda true, though i hate apple =)21:19
nox-moin21:19
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ZogGbtw as i'm not expert in linux and deb based OS specially, how can i reinstall whole system (not flashing), or check ifall packages are not broken?21:20
ZogGjust ran rm -R /var/lib/dpkg instead of /var/lib/dpkg/lock and though i stoped it still removed something21:22
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RST38hapt-get -f21:22
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lcukapt-get -ohcrap21:23
MohammadAGZogG, you're hopeless, reinstall the whole OS21:27
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Venemohey guys21:33
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kerioZogG: hahaha21:34
keriolcuk: apt-get should totally get a -ohcrap option21:34
kerioemergency dpkg reinstall21:34
lcukkerio, ALL apps should have that option21:35
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kerioyeah but it makes sense for apt21:37
Venemokerio: what do you mean by emergency dpkg reinstall?21:37
keriowell, less dpkg and more everything21:37
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keriosay, you run a rm -rf / by mistake as root21:38
kerioif you still have apt-get, you should be able to get a working system back with apt-get -ohcrap21:38
khertan6 hours to download a fucking n900 image21:38
xim_i question your pressuppostions21:38
khertannokia servers sucks !21:38
khertanand md5sums failed21:39
Venemokerio: well if you rm -rf / then you won't have apt either21:39
xim_is the n900 dying?21:39
xim_i read nokia stopped supporting it21:39
kerioVenemo: if you ^c it in time21:39
keriomaybe you lose half of /bin/ but you keep /usr/bin/apt-get21:40
evilsquelchi just reflashed my n90021:41
evilsquelchso many updates for maemo521:41
MohammadAGkhertan, blame your internet :P21:41
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evilsquelchxim_: i am sure it is21:41
evilsquelchxim_: but as long as there is a community it will be fine21:41
lcukkhertan, eepi would guess though that the errors come between leaving maemo servers and entering your device, since more people would notice md5 errors21:41
khertanMohammadAG, lol i ven't any problem except with nokia server tablet-dev21:41
lcukie not a maemo problem?21:42
piggzxim_: and it is an ace phone, for me anyway!21:42
khertanlcuk, the md5 error is due to download error21:42
* MohammadAG downloads meego netbook21:42
lcukyes21:42
MohammadAGkhertan, not a server error21:42
lcukand are there to help you diagnose if your internet cloud is shite21:42
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khertanMohammadAG, probably not a server error but one of this fucking not working nokia cache servers21:43
* khertan is angry21:43
* MohammadAG hands khertan his ISP's number21:43
MohammadAGthe caches are fine21:43
lcukkhertan, was it mobile broadband?21:44
lcukMohammadAG, specific dependencies for FOSS mediaplayer?21:44
khertanMohammadAG, the problem isn't the isp as else i ll get problem with many other site21:44
khertanwhich isn't the case21:44
xim_i love mine, was the n900 ever for sale publicly? i got mine as a gift from someone who had multiple early promo versions?  did yall buy yours at stores?21:44
khertanlcuk, nope on my desktop21:44
MohammadAGlcuk, hmm?21:44
xim_http://computer-forensics.sans.org/blog/2010/03/17/nokia-n900-forensic-cheat-sheet/21:44
khertanand the tablets-dev server has always been slow21:45
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khertanfrom home, from workt too, for other people i know too21:45
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khertanbut today ... it s worst than ever21:45
evilsquelchmaemo 5 20.2010.36-2.002 takes forever21:45
evilsquelchblegh21:45
xim_evilsquelch, any tips for someone about to reflash their device in like 10 minutes?21:45
lcukkhertan, :) time to try meego then, more server power21:45
evilsquelch132.5mb of forever21:46
evilsquelchxim_: no real tip,  just don't add the other repos until after your updates21:46
evilsquelchxim_: mine froze up when i tried to do that21:46
evilsquelchit was updating while i was changing repos, the n900 doesn't like that21:46
khertanlcuk, lol and if i use a proxy from finland ... i download it at 450Kb/S21:47
khertanlcuk, hum ... n900 meego image are located at the same place21:47
khertan:(21:47
MohammadAGkhertan, no, repo.meego.com/builds I think21:47
xim_evilsquelch, gotcha21:47
khertanlcuk, or maybe you mean meego from an other manufacturer :)21:47
MohammadAGhttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/21:47
khertanMohammadAG, was talking of the meego builds for n90021:48
khertan:)21:48
MohammadAGkhertan, that has N900 builds21:48
khertanto be honest i didn't think i ll move with meego21:48
lcukthe ones on tablet-dev are not standard21:48
lcuknormal proper inline integrated real builds of meego are from server MohammadAG pointed to21:48
MohammadAGhttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.11.20101221.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.11.20101221.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz221:48
MohammadAGlcuk, hmm?21:49
MohammadAGlcuk, what does not standard mean?21:49
lcuk:)21:49
evilsquelchxim_: look at long waits as maemo5 updates too21:50
xim_evilsquelch, did you flash the rootfs only or eMMC and rootfs?21:51
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khertannot standart mean with phone working ?21:52
evilsquelchxim_: i did combo flash21:52
evilsquelchall21:52
khertanbut meego isn't ready to be use21:52
xim_evilsquelch, sorry to ask so many questions but did you do it manually like on this page? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware21:54
khertanand didn't work on my n90021:54
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khertanby didn't work i would say isn't useable on my n90021:54
evilsquelchyep21:54
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khertan2 min to load a terminal21:55
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khertanresult in a white screen21:55
evilsquelchxim_: used my fedora laptop and flasher-3.521:55
xim_cool thanks21:55
khertani ll stick with maemo which i prefer21:55
khertan:)21:55
evilsquelchnot a problem21:55
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MohammadAGmuhahaha22:37
MohammadAGmy device flashed with a fully dead battery (MeeGo-dead)22:37
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MohammadAGargh22:38
* MohammadAG stabs it22:38
MohammadAGIt booted up fully, then bme shut it down after saying "Recharge battery"22:39
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khertanMohammadAG, lucky you are i'm still downloading the image ...22:41
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SiceloMohammadAG, what happens when you connect phone to charger?22:44
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javispedrohm22:47
javispedrodid we finally invent a way to remotely punch TMO users in the face?22:48
MohammadAGIt'd charge I guess, I just have it connected over USB22:48
khertanjavispedro, ignoring them ?22:48
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javispedrokhertan: i'd wish, but he keeps stalking me and posting bullshit on my threads22:48
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khertanjavispedro, as usual ... release an app an people will complain22:49
javispedroat this point I'd need a way to ignore the comments he puts on gitorious =)22:49
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khertanadd a feature and they will complain for an other22:50
khertanpeople are always whinning22:50
* khertan complain about slowness of nokia servers22:50
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Pradeepalterego, wats up23:24
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xim_im trying to download the recent firmwarez for my n900 should i get the global one or the usa one? (being that I live in the USA)23:28
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xim_what is the global varient?23:30
Pradeepxim_, hmmm cant really say but i stay in nigeria and i downloaded the global firmware23:31
xim_i bet its like celsius/farenheit color/colour hood/bonnet type stuff23:32
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Pradeepi think the global should everywhere23:35
Pradeepxim_, have you update before23:35
Pradeepxim_, u there23:35
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Pradeepok there you download both23:37
xim_im here23:37
xim_i see23:38
Pradeepn use it till you find which is suitable23:38
xim_right, good thinking23:38
RST38hBank of America has snapped up hundreds of abusive domain names for its senior executives and board members in what is being perceived as a defensive strategy against the future publication of damaging insider info from whistleblowing Website WikiLeaks.23:39
Pradeepso it all depends23:39
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javispedroRST38h: is there a list of examples?23:40
Pradeepbut have you used a flasher before...23:43
Pradeephuh?23:43
xim_Pradeep, just my desktop/laptop bios23:43
xim_i see all these rules about this tho (Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes.)23:44
OEXPLHmm, Why is the CPU transperacy list empty, even when I installed the cputransp devkit?23:44
Pradeepsounds funny23:44
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OEXPLin scratchbox23:44
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Pradeepok23:48
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lardmanMerry Christmas all if I'm not online tomorrow23:50
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keriohappy Yuletide23:51
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Pradeepsame to you man23:52
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