IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-12-24

Pradeepis there any telnet app on n90000:00
keriothere's telnet00:01
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Pradeepi can't find it in my app manager00:04
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Pradeepi did not see it in my app manager00:12
nox-maybe its in tools or extras?00:13
fiberspeedor just run apt-get install telnet as root in your terminal00:14
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MohammadAGsigh00:15
MohammadAGof all materials to make keyboards, HP has to use glossy crap00:16
MohammadAGcouldn't they have used matte00:16
SpeedEvilYou look at keyboards?00:16
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ChoomI do, my keyboard has a color display00:16
Choom320x24000:17
SpeedEvilWell - that's an excuse.00:17
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, no, but my fingers feel them00:17
* SpeedEvil continues typing under the blankets.00:17
MohammadAGit's not that00:17
MohammadAGthe keys just feel oily00:17
MohammadAGand no, it's not my hands00:17
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luke-jrMohammadAG: use stickers00:21
luke-jrlabel it dvorak-tonal style :D00:21
MohammadAGluke-jr, no, they ruin the look of a clean keyboard00:22
luke-jrpfft00:23
luke-jr[17:16:24] <SpeedEvil> You look at keyboards?00:23
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timeless_mbpsp3000: so, from reading the strings, it is more magical00:37
timeless_mbpit understands Sun+Sat = Weekends and Mon-Fri = Weekdays00:37
Pradeepi need to telnet into my router now00:38
luke-jrPradeep: telnet is lame00:38
luke-jr[17:14:33] <fiberspeed> or just run apt-get install telnet as root in your terminal00:38
Pradeepplease is there app for that00:38
sp3000timeless_mbp: and the rest are custom?00:38
luke-jryou've been helped. stfu :P00:38
timeless_mbpwell it supports 'never' in the strings00:39
timeless_mbpwhich means there's an impedance mismatch :o00:39
Pradeepcould not find it00:39
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luke-jrPradeep: sudo apt-get install telnet00:39
kerioPradeep: enable extras-testing and extras-devel00:39
sp3000timeless_mbp: interestingly, mfe doesn't00:40
MohammadAGluke-jr, sudo eh?00:40
Pradeepwhere is that00:40
sp3000timeless_mbp: also, it gets the oh no you can't tap on that button now thing00:40
timeless_mbpheh00:40
sp3000but it's not being secretive about a list of days00:40
sp3000the only special it knows about is daily afaict00:41
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, is it just me, or did browsing history disappear in microB?00:41
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timeless_mbpMohammadAG: disappear?00:41
sp3000but obviously these uis doing the same thing never met each other ;)00:41
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timeless_mbpsp3000: of course not!00:41
timeless_mbpwhy should similar UIs meet?00:42
MohammadAGyeah, the View browsing history button disappeared00:42
MohammadAGthe one when you open the stacked window with recent pages00:42
sp3000why did the ui cross the road00:42
MohammadAGto lay a child00:42
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xim_so i flashed my eMMC and rootfs, do i also need to do a maemo5 update somehow?00:42
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: i have it in visual history00:42
timeless_mbpwhich i got from landscape mode's tooolbar00:43
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, hmm, weird, I don't :S00:43
timeless_mbps/ooo/oo00:43
sp3000it didn't -- there was already another instance doing the same thing there, and why would they talk to each other :)00:43
timeless_mbpheh00:44
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Venemomerry christmas Maemo folks! I'll probably not be online tomorrow, so now is the time to say this00:46
sp3000this00:47
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* timeless_mbp tries to figure out how to replace 'Customized'00:47
xim_is there any other way to upgrade your os besides the update button in app manager?00:47
timeless_mbpi've changed 'Days' to 'Schedule'00:47
sp3000timeless_mbp: "Some".00:47
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timeless_mbpbut you're right, i should use the word from mfe00:47
sp3000"Tap here to find out for free!"00:48
timeless_mbpsadly mfe has <peak days> and <peak interval>00:48
timeless_mbphrm00:48
timeless_mbpbut NM doesn't have off peak00:48
timeless_mbpnor does it have <sync schedule> as a heading00:49
timeless_mbpso i'm happy w/ <schedule> instead of days00:49
timeless_mbpI think <hours> becomes <interval>00:49
timeless_mbpoh, no, gah00:49
timeless_mbp<hours> is actually <start-end> time00:50
timeless_mbp"Sync window" ?00:50
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Pradeephow do i enable extra-devel, extra-testing00:51
* timeless_mbp sighs @ "all day long"00:51
timeless_mbphrm00:51
timeless_mbp9-5 is "business hours"00:51
timeless_mbpwhat the heck is 8-6?00:52
SpeedEvilWorkaholics buisness hours00:52
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sp3000commutes and things00:52
timeless_mbpoh cute00:52
timeless_mbpthis lets me select hours: 12:01 AM - 12:00 AM00:53
* timeless_mbp wonders what that does00:53
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sp3000is there an all night long too?00:53
timeless_mbpit also allows 01:01 AM - 01:00 AM00:53
sp3000sync you long time?00:53
timeless_mbpnote the leading 0 because these people are *idiots*00:53
* timeless_mbp wonders where-tf they got that string from00:54
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Pradeepanyone helping00:55
timeless_mbpPradeep: err, wiki.maemo.org/00:55
Venemobyebye00:56
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* timeless_mbp grumbles01:00
timeless_mbpmore <binary-file> corrupts osso-xterm :(01:00
jacekowskilike any other terminal01:01
jacekowskitype01:01
jacekowskireset01:01
jacekowskiand press enter01:01
timeless_mbpdoesn't work01:01
timeless_mbpunlike normal terminals01:01
* timeless_mbp ponders01:01
keriouse screen or tmux01:01
javispedroisn't there a reset&clean entry on menu now also01:01
timeless_mbpsp3000: think i can ask robut for info about this crap?01:01
MohammadAGreset works for me01:01
timeless_mbpMohammadAG:01:02
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MohammadAGyeah?01:02
timeless_mbpmore /usr/lib/modest/mail-plugins/libodsplugin.so01:02
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xim_i just reflashed my phone and now i dont know the sudo password!? help01:04
MohammadAGyep, reset works fine timeless_mbp01:04
timeless_mbphrm01:05
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: was that you who pointed me to the new version / successor of libcal01:05
DocScrutinizer?01:05
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timeless_mbpxim_: there isn't one01:05
timeless_mbp~rootsh01:05
infobothmm... rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/, or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/01:05
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: maybe01:05
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i remember discussion about it01:05
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i mean, that somebody made a replacement for it01:05
jacekowskibut it was quite a long time ago01:05
DocScrutinizerisn't it libsysinfo or sth?01:06
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jacekowskii don't remember01:06
jacekowskii can grep my logs01:06
DocScrutinizerI should just ~ask01:06
DocScrutinizerwhere to look to learn about calibration partition?01:07
jacekowskiit's nowhere in official docs01:07
timeless_mbpsp3000: wtf is up w/ bug 621229?01:07
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/621229 was not found.01:07
DocScrutinizerWhat is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465  is a bit out of date01:08
jacekowskii'm just using my favorite disassembler01:08
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sp3000I think there's another bug for that but icbw01:08
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: searching trough my logs is going to be more complicated than i thought01:09
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jacekowskibecause just looking for "cal" is returning way more results than i would like01:09
MohammadAGcat Freenode-#maemo.log | grep cal01:10
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: what do you need to know?01:10
DocScrutinizerheh, I just managed to erase backscroll in ALL my Konversation windows - no idea how01:10
timeless_mbphttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=186162&postcount=501:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, CTRL+L maybe01:10
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: I want to understand how uBoot can learn to access calib partition01:10
sp3000...dup.01:11
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: uboots has to undersand how to read nand01:11
timeless_mbpsp3000: do we know this guy?01:11
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: that seems to be no real problem01:11
sp3000iirc you did eventually meet tom01:11
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: then we can just read specific block01:12
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: and write it01:12
DocScrutinizeryeah01:12
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: without worrying about allocating anything01:12
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: or messing around with versions01:12
jacekowskiso create block using normal nokia libcal01:12
DocScrutinizerI'd feel better dealing with CAL records in the "right way"01:12
jacekowskiand then just update it in place01:12
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DocScrutinizeraiui uBoot used exactly same simple scheme for its env partition01:13
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DocScrutinizerso my idea was uBoot learns to treat calib partiton as his very genuine env and you can access all CAL settings and read&store uBoot envs01:14
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timeless_mbpsp3000: ok, so why didn't he know about the other bug?01:15
sp3000shrubbery01:16
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: what exactly was the point in that post #5?01:16
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: full cal implementation will require full nand implementation01:16
jacekowskiincluding locking/unlocking otp blocks01:16
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: you asked what it was01:16
timeless_mbpthat's what it is :)01:16
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: sorry, I don't get it01:16
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-24 00:07:08] <DocScrutinizer> where to look to learn about calibration partition?  [2010-12-24 00:08:02] <DocScrutinizer> What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465  is a bit out of date   [2010-12-24 00:10:19] <timeless_mbp> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=186162&postcount=501:17
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: the definition of what <c><a><l> is hasn't changed01:17
timeless_mbpthat url is still as correct as it was when it was posted01:17
jacekowski19:19 < slonopotamus> jacekowski: that's what i have currently: http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=opendsme;a=blob;f=src/libopencal.c;h=fcb51c82e9de2ac53ee468606b98ac602111d01d;hb=HEAD#l43701:18
jacekowskihah01:18
jacekowskifound it01:18
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: and how's that an answer to my question?01:18
timeless_mbpif someone asks "what is IBM"01:18
timeless_mbpthe answer is "International Business Machines"01:18
timeless_mbpAT&T is "American Telephone & Telegraph"01:18
timeless_mbpit doesn't change01:19
timeless_mbpit's also a stupid question01:19
timeless_mbpso don't ask it01:19
DocScrutinizer*MY* question being >>where to look to learn about calibration partition?<< NOT the thread subject >>What is CAL?<< of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465  is a bit out of date01:19
DocScrutinizerif you didn't notice, you pointed me to same thread01:20
timeless_mbpi did notice01:20
DocScrutinizerwell, many thanks then01:20
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jacekowski~seen slonopotamus01:23
infobotslonopotamus <~slonopota@85.26.155.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 16h 50m 39s ago, saying: 'anyone has example usage of HildonFileSelection?'.01:23
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i just looked at that code and it looks complete01:25
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: as in usable01:25
DocScrutinizercode to access NAND in uBoot?01:25
jacekowskinah, open code for cal01:26
DocScrutinizeraah01:26
DocScrutinizercool01:26
DocScrutinizerlinky?01:26
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jacekowskii linked it 9 minutes ago01:27
DocScrutinizerooh01:27
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xim_after reflashing my device, im trying to selectively install the packages i went from a backup, i have the packages.backup file open and did a sudo gainroot, i made an apt-get install line with a list of the packages i want.  it wont run because lots of the packages have dependancies which are not able to be installed.  what could cause this?02:25
xim_i mean of course they have dependancies, why does it say that they prerequisite packages have no installation candidate?02:26
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mikki-kunlooool, my n900 directory is 666MB big ^^02:32
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xim_packages affected are: aircrack-ng, gltron, kismet, mirror, mysocials, numptyphysics, wargus, wifieye02:34
DocScrutinizer51xim_: sorry, I don't really understand what you're doing with that backup02:34
DocScrutinizer51why don't you use the backup app to restore the apps?02:35
xim_i just opened the files and am looking at the xml package list inside, then adding the specific ones i want (not all the crazy ones that pwned my phone in the first place) through apt-get02:35
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xim_i have the three extras repos too02:36
xim_nm i figured it out02:39
DocScrutinizer51why don't you use the backup app?02:39
xim_for some reason having the extras repo twice was screwing things up02:39
xim_because what is the sense in restoring all the apps that fubared my phone in the first place02:40
xim_without the ability to de select packages the backup app isn't very useful02:40
DocScrutinizer51you don't need to install all the apps02:40
xim_can you deselect some of them?02:40
DocScrutinizer51there is a very convenient option to do that02:41
xim_orly02:41
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DocScrutinizer51last time I checked I think there was, yes02:41
sp3000timeless_mbp: looks like he had some trouble attaching a series of patches, and got the same patch twice twice02:41
Termanagood morning02:42
sp3000but looks like bmo went down so enough of my mess of a cleanup02:42
xim_i didnt see it02:42
sp3000(the other bmo, not the one relevant to this channel, ...)02:42
lcukjacekowski, you been watching my youtubes?02:44
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jacekowskilcuk: no03:03
jacekowskilcuk: youtube just suggested me that i may be interested03:03
jacekowskiso i clicked subscribe03:03
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jacekowskilcuk: but i've seen all videos from you03:05
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DocScrutinizer51well, xim seems has left. But HAM has a selection feature for the apps to restore03:11
DocScrutinizerhttp://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10094 if somebody cares03:13
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pupnikRST38h: "If you need the highest performance floating point on Cortex-A8, you need to use single precision and ensure the code uses the NEON vectorized instructions"04:01
pupniksays some guy... http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard04:01
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ds3yes, VFP on the A8 is a VFP lite which is slower then NEON04:09
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DocScrutinizerstill wondering why anybody needs FP. Usually it's just laziness04:19
DocScrutinizerreals aka floats that is04:20
ds3if you need to work with very very very big vales along with very very very small values04:20
DocScrutinizerstill no proper excuse04:21
ds3how do yo represent such a big dynamic range?04:22
DocScrutinizerbut sometimes a start for a rationale04:22
ds3you04:22
DocScrutinizerIF it's really that large a DYNAMIC range the it is justified04:22
ds3I can go along with that04:23
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DocScrutinizerif the very very small are always x *10^-37 and the very large always y *10^24 and x and y have no large range, the you have no true DYNAMIC range yet04:24
luke-jrwhy does WebGL work fine with the N900-specific pages, but nothing generic?04:24
ds3yep04:25
DocScrutinizeralso if you have actually such a dynamic range but a precision thats so poor you can cope with maxint discrete values between min and max, you still don't need floats04:25
ds3basically, if you can scale it, you don'tneed floats04:26
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: laziness plus in most cases, floats don't hurt04:27
DocScrutinizeryou bet they do, on mobile devices etc04:27
luke-jrmost people don't care about mobile devices yet04:27
DocScrutinizeryep04:27
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DocScrutinizeranyway, cya04:27
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comawhitewow xchat is awkward on the n90007:56
comawhitetext way small07:56
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ds3use TV out and connect to 50inch TV? :D08:24
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comawhiteds3, doesn't look right on non-lcd tv08:30
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khertanMorning09:21
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pupnikgood morning khertan09:22
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khertanmorning pupnik10:12
khertanthere isn't anyone on maemo yet ?10:13
khertaneverybody move to meego ?10:13
RobbieThe1stI didn't.10:13
khertan2 people10:14
khertanRobbieThe1st, did you have admin power on maemo extras repository ?10:15
RobbieThe1stNope10:15
RobbieThe1stI'm just a normal use10:15
RobbieThe1st*user10:16
khertanhum ... ok ... switch back to my own repository again :)10:17
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shikamaruhello there10:29
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Jaffakhertan: I saw your email. Did you raise a bug?10:31
JaffaI can escalate a bug10:32
khertana bug ... for what ?10:32
khertani raise 20 about this things10:32
JaffaFor your dependencies issue.10:32
khertanah ... pfff10:32
khertanuseles10:32
khertans10:32
khertanwill end to won't fix10:32
JaffaDon't be a cock.10:32
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JaffaI'm telling you I can make sure it is seen by the people who are paid to maintain the site and fix it.10:33
JaffaHowever, I'm not going to poke them with random emails; I want something that can be tracked publicly.10:33
khertanok try again and i ll see10:33
timeless_mbpJaffa: so... i'm looking to finish another round of maemo localization10:34
timeless_mbpi'm also considering banging my head against a brick wall10:35
khertannow khweeteur is broken in extras (package dependencies)10:37
khertanand broken in extras-devel new problem with new pyside update :)10:37
khertanit 's not my day10:37
khertan:)10:37
khertanhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/khweeteur/ <<< i m the only one to not be able to access to it ?10:38
timeless_mbpjoy10:38
timeless_mbpsp3000: so, i found the sources for "01:01 AM - 01:00 AM"10:39
timeless_mbpit uses strftime twice and then uses sprintf "%s - %s" to paste the two together10:40
timeless_mbp(in case a localizer doesn't use DASH to do pasting...)10:40
timeless_mbpok, anyone here familiar w/ binary patching?10:41
timeless_mbp$ strings /tmp/libodsplugin.so |grep 'I:'10:41
timeless_mbp%I:%M %p10:41
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timeless_mbpthat needs a binary patch :)10:41
* timeless_mbp shakes head10:42
timeless_mbpja10:42
khertanJaffa, Bug 1172210:42
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11722 Promoting Khweeteur in Extras result in missing dependencies10:42
timeless_mbpJaffa: so... Nokia Messaging is *awesome*10:42
timeless_mbpthey use their own *non* localized 12 hour time format which is just <wrong> :)10:43
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timeless_mbpoh right10:44
alteregoWow, that guy really liked my UI O_O10:44
* timeless_mbp can go see if "Never" is actually supported10:44
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* timeless_mbp gives up10:49
timeless_mbptoo complicated10:49
timeless_mbpthe code at least partially pretends to support it10:49
timeless_mbpbut clearly no one bothered to test it10:49
khertanlol can't connect to https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/10:50
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timeless_mbphrm, does https://bugs.maemo.org/ look like it's missing a graphic?10:59
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timeless_mbpoh joy11:12
timeless_mbpsp3000: so... whatever you do11:12
timeless_mbpdon't take your n900 w/o a sim into an area w/o wifi and try to add a mailbox to nokia messaging11:12
timeless_mbpwhen you go past the disclaimer where it warns you that it's going to send information to nokia11:13
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timeless_mbpit then tries  to check for nokia messaging availability11:13
timeless_mbpto do that, it shows a progress diaog11:13
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timeless_mbps/diaog/dialog/11:13
infobottimeless_mbp meant: to do that, it shows a progress dialog11:13
timeless_mbpand then it proceeds to trigger an ICD <Connect to> dialog11:13
timeless_mbpwhen you cancel that, it triggers the dialog again11:13
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timeless_mbpand it will keep triggering the dialog until you admit defeat11:14
delphilol11:14
timeless_mbpyou can either: 1. let the batteries run out11:14
timeless_mbp2. pull the battery out11:14
timeless_mbp3. give up and give it a network11:14
timeless_mbphrm, it seems that if you trigger flight mode from the power menu you can win, but i sure didn't think of that having tried 5+ times to dismiss the dialog :(11:15
timeless_mbpok, using flight mode to test, it takes exactly 5 "no i really don't want to exit flight mode" presses to get the thing to give up11:15
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timeless_mbpoh right, i should file a bug about 'never' not working11:24
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crashanddie/home/slauwers/src/opensource/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwsourceadapter.cpp:119: error: prototype for 'unsigned int MafwSourceAdapter::sendBrowseRequest(QString*, unsigned int, unsigned int)' does not match any in class 'MafwSourceAdapter'11:28
crashanddie/home/slauwers/src/opensource/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwsourceadapter.h:28: error: candidate is: void MafwSourceAdapter::sendBrowseRequest(QString*, unsigned int, unsigned int)11:28
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crashanddiewhat am I missing?11:28
crashanddieoh, void11:28
khertan:)11:30
TermanaThat's ironic11:30
Termana:p11:30
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crashanddiekhertan, "Ta blague est aussi vide que le néant qui sépare tes deux oreilles." --Naheuleuk.11:32
crashanddies/euk/beuk/11:33
infobotcrashanddie meant: khertan, "Ta blague est aussi vide que le néant qui sépare tes deux oreilles." --Naheulbeuk.11:33
crashanddieTermana, opening gifts soon?11:33
Termanacrashanddie, nah it's 8pm Christmas Eve here.11:34
crashanddieand?11:34
TermanaThough I guess it depends on your definition of soon :p11:34
crashanddieI always open gifts on christmas eve :P11:34
Termana:p11:34
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khertancrashanddie, lol !11:35
khertanyou are reading naheulbeuk now ?11:36
crashanddienha, i used to listen to it ages ago11:36
khertanoh which zode ?11:36
khertani didn't remember this one11:36
crashanddiekhertan, 16 IIRC11:37
crashanddiethough, this is from something like 5 years ago, so if I got the episode right, I'm auto-proclaiming myself alzheimer superhero11:37
TermanaI was going to myself a DVD for Christmas. Until I realised it's not released until 2 days after Christmas. What kind of idiot company does that? :p11:37
Termanato buy*11:38
keriowho the hell buys DVDs11:39
Termanakerio, people who don't use iTunes and want to give money to movie companies, I suppose?11:40
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TermanaNetflicks streaming and Hulu and all that crap is unavailable in Australia11:41
TermanaNetflix*11:41
* kerio points its finger at Teh Interwebs11:42
TermanaAre you indicating I should pirate it?11:42
keriowhat? no, of course not11:42
TermanaBoard their boats and fire cannons at them11:42
Termana:p11:42
kerioARRRRRRRRRR11:42
Termana(kidding)11:43
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khertanWhy did i bought an iphone to my wife ... cannot import contacts via bluetooth11:51
khertanmouar11:51
khertanf11:51
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khertanthe apple solution use the import from sim card ... hum ... but 4G iphone use micro sim card ... not the old phone11:51
SpeedEvilI think you can cut the SIM down11:52
RobbieThe1stYea, you can11:53
RobbieThe1stThe chip is far smaller than the plastic bit11:54
Choomwhy does apple have to make all kinds of interoperation harder?11:55
RobbieThe1stBecause they are Apple11:56
RobbieThe1stYou should -only- buy Apple things, and always pay the premium!11:56
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khertan<SpeedEvil> I think you can cut the SIM down <<< nope it s a really old one :)12:01
khertani found the easiest solution12:02
khertanyou want an iphone, you got an iphone12:02
khertaniphone works with iphone only12:02
khertanso enter your contacts manually12:02
khertan:)12:02
keriokhertan: wait, what?12:05
keriojust sync them via usb12:05
khertanvia usb ?12:05
khertanlol12:05
kerioyeah, i know12:05
kerio:12:05
kerioer, :|12:05
khertanthe older phone have bluetooth12:05
keriosee if there's something to sync via bluetooth in cydia12:05
khertandidn't have usb cable12:05
khertancydia ... hum ... isn't something which is available after jailbreak ?12:06
khertanas jailbreaking mean more problem for a lambda user ... and i didn't want to manage the problem :)12:06
khertanrewriting it will be better12:06
khertanand maybe after that i ll not hear again that the virtual pseudo keyboard is wonderfull :)12:07
kerioto be fair the virtual kbd is not bad12:07
kerioautocorrection works fine for writing normal text12:07
crashanddie/home/slauwers/src/opensource/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwsourceadapter.cpp:31: error: undefined reference to `vtable for MafwSourceAdapter'12:09
crashanddiewtf12:09
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khertankerio, depends of size of your finger ... and language :)12:16
kerioyeah, it's a lot worse for italian12:16
khertanaccent is a pain with it in french12:17
khertansometime automatically add one when not required12:17
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power12:21
crashanddieinfobot, sorry?12:21
* infobot appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT WAS THOSE BAD PEOPLE OVER THERE!!!"12:21
RichiHis anyone still running useful stuff on a n810? mine has been gathering dust and that's a pity12:21
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RichiHcrashanddie: it's a bloot bot. they have code, which i did not add, which accept me as master unless someone changes the defaults12:22
khertanRichiH, i use mine as a powerfull Hifi :)12:22
RichiH!botsnack12:23
RichiHinfobot: botsnack12:23
infobotRichiH: thanks12:23
crashanddie~botsnack12:23
crashanddieinfobot> Someone already said that 3 seconds ago12:23
crashanddie~hate12:23
infobotOh, you hate your job? Why didn't you say so? There's a support group for that. It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar. --Drew Carey12:23
RichiHkhertan: i was thinking more along the lines of rss reader/news display12:24
crashanddieRichiH, I guess being the FreeNode BOFH has its perks?12:24
RichiHor maybe a cheap (as i already have one) video monitoring thingie12:24
RichiHcrashanddie: i think timriker added that before i was staff and just changed the user masks to follow me, but i am not 100% sure12:25
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crashanddieRichiH, I guess that you could make the n810 a relatively nice in-car entertainment system12:28
SpeedEvilOr with bluetooth ODB2 thing and carman...12:29
RichiHcrashanddie: it's a leased company car so i am not too keen on modifiying it. also, i don't own a single mini-sd card12:29
SpeedEvilAdaptors to micro are damn near free on ebay12:29
RichiHthere is that12:29
crashanddieRichiH, or a media player controller12:30
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crashanddieRichiH, dunno if you use a computer to play movies/music, but a visual remote control that doesn't require field of view can be interesting12:31
crashanddieor as you said, a news/rss feed reader12:32
crashanddiethough you'd probably want to make it so that it displays the feeds you maintain from your computer12:32
crashanddienothing as annoying as having to pick up the device to setup a new feed and having to type a long-ass URL12:33
crashanddieanyway, off for lunch, have a good one all, merry christmas if I don't see you again12:33
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cos^is maemo.org broken?14:15
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zutesmogyep looks like it14:19
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cos^dang, just when i needed it14:25
zutesmogtry google cache , or do you need the groups14:30
cos^even google's cache doesn't show the pages14:30
zutesmogbummer14:30
cos^"Connectiong to static.maemo.org.."14:30
cos^i'd like to port some qt stuff to diablo14:31
cos^btw has anyone noticed that the n8x0 devices are still very expensive on ebay14:31
cos^i'd like to use them in a home cockpit project, but looks like they are still too expensive14:32
cos^i wonder if there is Qt for 77014:34
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crashanddieGAN900, ping14:47
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Jaffacos^: Raised with Nemein support this morning.14:51
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trxDocScrutinizer , about a week ago, we talked about headsets with media player control, you said that we need to see what signals are sent14:54
trxi have everything (almost)14:54
trxas i am total idiot about those things,14:55
trxi wanted to confirm if i need to set it up parallel or serial?14:55
trx(serial i would say )14:55
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cos^now i'm installing diablo sdk on the side of fremantle one.. let's see if it'll work at all15:02
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cos^not too easy :-(15:38
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cos^ /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user15:46
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TermanaMERRY CHRISTMAS!15:48
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khertancos^, it s unusable since this morning for me too15:54
khertan^^ > cos^> is maemo.org broken?15:55
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cos^yep, it seems it's broken15:58
cos^actually some pages load if you wait long enough15:58
cos^but no stylesheets  or images15:58
m4k3rHello. I've just downloaded zsh from here (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40111 ), and setted it as default shell using `zsh -s /bin/zsh user`; ten i turned off my n900. But now it loopes when booting at startup.15:59
jacekowskim4k3r: flash it15:59
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jacekowskim4k3r: you are not supposed to do it15:59
m4k3rOh god. Is the only way?15:59
jacekowskim4k3r: maemo depends on that busybox sh implementation16:00
jacekowskim4k3r: do you have bootmenu or something similiar?16:00
DocScrutinizer~botsnack16:00
infobotDocScrutinizer: :)16:00
DocScrutinizertrx: the R?16:01
DocScrutinizertrx: series16:01
m4k3rNothing, just as nokia gave me, with a few repo(→programs) installed.16:01
m4k3rs/installed/more16:01
m4k3rjacekowski:  there isn't any fallback session or similar?16:02
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jacekowskim4k3r: nope16:02
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m4k3rjacekowski:  I've installed ssh, any hope it starts before looping?16:03
jacekowskinope16:03
m4k3rT_T16:03
m4k3rFlashing means also lose every data in my phone?16:03
jacekowskiyou can disable lifeguard reboot16:03
userhas anybody installed vlc on their fon16:04
jacekowskibut phone is most likely not going to start anyways16:04
useri know its at alpha stages ryt?16:04
DocScrutinizer-8RichiH: xchat on N810 :-D16:04
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m4k3rjacekowski:  so, what do you suggest?16:05
m4k3rNo way to get into my phone's hd?16:06
noobmonk3ydo you not have a backup? :P16:07
crashanddiehow could this segfault: if (this->source != NULL) {16:08
m4k3rnoobmonk3y:  it's too old.16:08
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: hehe. this = 016:11
DocScrutinizererr NULL16:11
DocScrutinizeror crap16:11
DocScrutinizerdon't ask me how16:12
JaffaIntriguing comments in meego-community from a Nokian about, I guess, harmattan: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002993.html16:12
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: try print this16:13
DocScrutinizercheck the value16:13
DocScrutinizerI guess a stack corruption or sth can cause this-> to fail16:14
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: generating a assembler listing on compiling sometimes is mad useful16:17
jacekowskim4k3r: flash it16:17
jacekowskim4k3r: or try disabling lifeguard reboot16:18
jacekowskim4k3r: but most likely flash is the only way16:18
DocScrutinizerm4k3r: boot into rescue initsh, and kick out zsh from /etc/shells16:19
crashanddienha16:19
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, found it16:19
DocScrutinizerboot process is known to fail on everything except messybox16:19
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: what's it been?16:20
m4k3rWhy is wiki.maemo.org so slow?16:21
m4k3r=_=16:21
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: zsh? disabling WD won't help16:21
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, i defined this->source last in the constructor, while higher up in the constructor it was calling methods that used this->source in effect before the object had finished being created16:22
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jacekowskim4k3r: oh16:22
jacekowskim4k3r: then you can only flash it16:22
DocScrutinizerhmm16:22
jacekowskim4k3r: but you can do combined image flash only16:22
jacekowskim4k3r: so it shouldn't delete MyDocs and stuff16:22
DocScrutinizerm4k3r: you seen my advice?16:23
m4k3rjacekowski:  yep, the wiki said about a rootfs flashing way.16:23
m4k3rDocScrutinizer:  yes, but I don't know initsh, and wiki.maemo.org is slow.16:23
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd16:23
DocScrutinizerHTH16:25
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m4k3rDocScrutinizer:  thanks. But it seems to involve the same flashing utilities.16:25
BluesLeemaemo.org is down .. any infos on that?16:26
m4k3rSince also rootfs flashing keeps my personal data, I could clean up my phone.16:27
DocScrutinizertoo many xmas gifts to flash :-D16:27
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DocScrutinizerit's not down, just slow and shaky16:28
m4k3rDocScrutinizer:  also, how is currently MeeGo on n900, still too imature?16:29
DocScrutinizerat least wiki.m.o16:29
DocScrutinizerfor me yes16:29
DocScrutinizerstill a developer kindergarden16:30
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DocScrutinizerBluesLee: what exactly is down for you?16:33
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: ping www.maemo.org PING maemo.org (80.248.164.250) 56(84) bytes of data16:36
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cos^is there any way to dpkg -i without running the pre/post scripts?16:42
cos^i'm stuck with gconf2's /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user16:42
m4k3rDocScrutinizer:  :(16:43
m4k3r.-(~/n900-rescue)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------(maker@tumbolandia)-16:43
m4k3r`--> rpm2cpio kernel-n900-*.rpm  | cpio -vid ./boot/vmlinuz*16:43
m4k3rzsh: no matches found: ./boot/vmlinuz*16:43
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cos^perhaps i just should create a second sb installation just for diablo :-/16:45
jacekowskicos^: there is16:45
jacekowskicos^: man dpkg16:46
jacekowskidpkg -x16:46
DocScrutinizerm4k3r: this isn't written for zsh. If you use '/boot/vmlinuz*' instead of /boot/vmlinuz* then it might work16:46
cos^jacekowski: ok, looks like i missed it16:47
DocScrutinizerzsh is quite a bit different it seems, compared to korn shell16:47
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DocScrutinizerm4k3r: oops, make that './boot/vmlinuz*'16:48
m4k3rDocScrutinizer:  yes, works, thy.16:49
cos^jacekowski: -x extracts the package16:49
cos^i just need -i without running the scripts (or ignoring errors)16:49
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m4k3rDocScrutinizer:  done, but the recovery terminal hasn't neither chsh neither vim.16:54
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DocScrutinizerm4k3r: it has busybox functionality, which also provides vi17:08
DocScrutinizer>>17:09
DocScrutinizerStart recovery terminal (T)17:09
DocScrutinizer Contains busybox functionality17:09
m4k3rDocScrutinizer:  and I should just remove zsh from /etc/shells?17:09
DocScrutinizeryes.17:09
m4k3ror s/zsh/sh?17:09
m4k3rLet's look how the file is like.17:09
jacekowskicos^: -x + scripts= -i17:09
jacekowskicos^: so -i without scripts = -x17:09
DocScrutinizeralso replace zsh by sh in /etc/passwd, for user "user" (29999 iirc)17:10
jacekowskim4k3r: and don't fuck around with that sort of stuf without a backup17:10
DocScrutinizerhehehe17:10
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: a backup wouldn't help too much here17:11
m4k3rDocScrutinizer:  Gh, I can't type '/' char xD17:12
jacekowskiit would17:12
m4k3rThis is so lol.17:12
jacekowskihe could just flash it17:12
jacekowskiwithout any problems17:12
jacekowskihttp://i.imgur.com/dNhrL.png17:12
DocScrutinizerm4k3r: hmm, sorry I can't reproduce this here ATM. I guess there's some weird way you can type a /17:13
m4k3rDocScrutinizer:  Yes, it's an italian n900.17:14
m4k3rI  think it has to do with this.17:14
DocScrutinizerhmm, you got US kbd layout in rescue initrd - I'd bet17:14
DocScrutinizeron my US kbd the / is blue-V17:15
jacekowskiit should be same17:15
m4k3rOn mine it doesn't type nothing.17:16
DocScrutinizeror: cd etc; sed -i s.zsh.sh. shells17:16
m4k3rlol17:16
DocScrutinizeror cd etc; vi shells17:16
m4k3rAnd hot to type ':'?17:17
m4k3r*how to17:17
m4k3rSame as '/'17:17
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* m4k3r has found '<' and '>' chars \o/17:17
DocScrutinizersorry, I never tested the initrd console. No idea what the meego guys implemented there17:18
m4k3rI can't type neither '-'17:18
m4k3rShit.17:18
DocScrutinizeryou tried all the keys (with blue and with shift-blue)?17:19
m4k3rAnd with Maiusc.17:19
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ShadowJKwtf does "plugin-container" in fennec do when it doesn't have any plugins enabled17:23
ShadowJK61M RSS17:23
DocScrutinizerhi ShadowJK :-D17:23
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* SpeedEvil hits ShadowJK with the RSS does not matter stick.17:24
DocScrutinizerhi SpeedEvil17:24
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ShadowJKwhere is the disable plugins button :-(17:24
SpeedEvilHi!17:25
SpeedEvilhttp://www.selenic.com/smem/ - pss/uss is good17:25
DocScrutinizerany advice or hint for m4k3r and his fubar kbd under meego recue initrd?17:25
SpeedEvilget a picture of the keyboard it is emulating.17:25
SpeedEvilhttp://xkcd.com/ :)17:26
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: where's the binary of smem for N900?17:30
m4k3rNeither setkey grub option works.17:31
SpeedEvilit's python17:31
SpeedEvilIt 'just works'17:32
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DocScrutinizeroooh17:38
DocScrutinizer:-D17:38
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: the tarball http://www.selenic.com/smem/download/smem-0.9.tar.gz has a smemcap.c though17:42
ShadowJKit's somewhat slower than microb :-(17:42
DocScrutinizerfennec? not surprised17:43
ShadowJKthe new one that was linked on theregister is much faster than the old ones that had a minute pause to scroll, though17:44
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: that's to make pretty graphs17:44
DocScrutinizerhmmm17:44
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: RSS does matter17:45
SpeedEviljacekowski: why?17:45
jacekowskibecause that's real memory used by program17:45
SpeedEviljacekowski: It's not17:45
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SpeedEvilIt's the real memory used by the program, plus the libraries17:45
jacekowski              rss %ld     Resident  Set  Size:  number  of  pages the process has in real memory.  This is just the pages which count towards text, data, or stack space.  This does not include17:46
SpeedEvilbut the libraries can be multiply mapped.17:46
jacekowski                          pages which have not been demand-loaded in, or which are swapped out.17:46
SpeedEvilSo libc is mapped by every process, and counts fully towards each processes RSS17:46
SpeedEvilwhen in fact it's only in memory once.17:46
ShadowJKopen new tab, try open another new tab, takes bloody ages. Maybe it's waiting for the tab in background to finish loading first. That's exactly the opposite of what I want. I use tabs because I don't want to wait a minute each for each interesting link to load.17:46
jacekowskiwell17:47
jacekowskiRSS-SHR17:47
SpeedEvilSHR is very inaccurate17:47
SpeedEvilthe above tool goes and counts the mappings.17:47
SpeedEvilWhich reveals that the memory use of many stock maemo little tools is really quite small indeed17:48
SpeedEvilAnyway.17:48
* SpeedEvil gets in the shower.17:48
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DocScrutinizerHELL! updating xchat brought back that annoying blue led flashing on highlights17:49
DocScrutinizerand *MUHAHA* for /help ->"plugin defined commands" missing spaces to delimit the commands17:51
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RST38hNo new packages17:52
DocScrutinizerRST38h: restored the plugin I used to "delete"17:54
ShadowJK350M swap use.. I'd say that's real :)17:54
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ClopinHeya17:54
ClopinDoes anybody use MeeGo on their n900 as default yet?17:54
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: check /help ->"plugin defined commands" missing spaces17:55
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: any chances to get a "increment Text box font PT" and "decrement..." command, to map that to some key shortcuts of my liking?17:57
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* ShadowJK changes his N9 wishlist, changing ram from 1G to 2G after trying fennec ...18:02
DocScrutinizerRST38h: i.e. have a "Action" (context Xchat Keyboard Shortcuts) that directly accesses what you normally can do via Xchat->Settings->Preferences: "[Text box]","Font:"->[Browse...]->"Size:"18:02
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: Try Kino and make that 16G :-P18:04
RST38hDoc: I am currently in no position to look at it (NY party, children running everywhere, screaming)18:04
RST38hDoc: So, let us postpone to by a day or two :)18:05
DocScrutinizerRST38h: sure :-) just asking about the chances...18:05
RST38hShadowJK: For Fennec, you probably want to set that to "infinity" =)18:05
DocScrutinizer"postpone" sounds like a fair chance18:05
RST38hShadowJK: Swappiness of 30% and no other apps running (other than lightweight bultin ones that is) make latest Fennec beta somewhat bearable though18:07
ShadowJKas far as cpu goes, 600MHz Cortex A8 seems just fine for fennec18:09
ShadowJKSo I'd need a second device to run just fennec on, and some way to copy/paste between the two devices18:10
* ShadowJK 'd call it regression :-)18:10
RST38hUse the camera for cut&paste!18:10
m4k3rDocScrutinizer, jacekowski: flashed, all ok. Thank you.18:11
kerioi want 8gb of ram on my n918:11
DocScrutinizer51m4k3r: glad to hear18:11
DocScrutinizer51that18:11
DocScrutinizer51kerio: palmpilot design: all memory is also storage18:12
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DocScrutinizer51greatly simplifies a lot of things18:13
SpeedEvilKilling microb can help for fennec18:13
DocScrutinizer51basically they had all storage memmapped18:14
RST38hDoc: That should rather be called lack of design18:14
DocScrutinizer51RST38h: there are advantages. zero loading times just one of them18:15
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RST38hDoc: and if power goes down... well.18:16
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DocScrutinizer51they had ram shadowed by flash in some of their devices. others had cmos ram18:17
DocScrutinizer51on those it was pretty bad to not charge the device for >8 weeks18:18
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RST38hWell,at the end, they had "68000"shadowed by an ARM running 68000 emulation18:18
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RST38hAnd had 160x160 display size shadowed by the 320x320 display size, inside a 480x320 screen that has been partially used for a trackpad18:19
RST38hAll these weird behavioral patterns are summarily known as "lack of design"18:19
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: ack18:23
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* DocScrutinizer suffers from a lack of xmas-free resorts, to get some normal food or a drink or anything. 24.12. is so MEH in D18:26
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SpeedEvilDoes nokia make an equivalent of the 3310 anymore?18:47
SpeedEvilHas the 1100 gone away?18:47
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DocScrutinizerhttp://xkcd.com/835/ hehe19:02
* araujo thinks he has seen DocScrutinizer somewhere else19:02
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I have a strange compulsion to make one of those trees19:03
DocScrutinizerI got a lot of symlinks pointing at me :-P19:03
SpeedEvilAlso - the latest one is cool too19:03
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DocScrutinizeryeah19:04
araujoanybody knows where can I find qmake?, do I need some extra repo?19:04
DocScrutinizererrr, for N900?19:04
araujoDocScrutinizer, correct19:05
DocScrutinizerI guess it's included in the scratchbox SDK19:05
DocScrutinizernot sure about it, might as well be x86 based there19:05
RST38hqmake is shipped with Madde19:05
RST38hIn scratchbox, you have to install proper packages19:06
DocScrutinizerso, generally speaking, it *might* live in tools repo19:06
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araujoRST38h, ah I see, trying now ...19:07
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache search qmake19:08
DocScrutinizerlibqt4-experimental-dev - Qt 4 development files19:08
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache show libqt4-experimental-dev19:09
DocScrutinizer***BOOM***19:09
DocScrutinizer:-P19:09
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache show libqt4-experimental-dev|wc -l19:10
DocScrutinizer14419:10
araujothere you have ... though I don't get any result with apt-cache search qmake19:10
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DocScrutinizer Filename: pool/fremantle/free/q/qt4-experimental/libqt4-experimental-dev_4.7.0~git20100802-0maemo1_armel.deb19:11
araujoDocScrutinizer, I think that is part of an extra repo?19:11
araujothat package is not available in my default config19:11
DocScrutinizertools19:11
DocScrutinizeras suspected above19:11
DocScrutinizerI guess19:12
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araujooh right, thanks19:12
DocScrutinizer  /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages19:15
DocScrutinizerso not tools but rather extras-devel, it seems19:16
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sobczykanyone encountered skype crash?19:17
sobczykon n90019:18
DocScrutinizerhardly. Never used skype19:18
jpinx-eeepcsobczyk: don't take anythignrecent about skype too seriously - they are having major issues these days19:20
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sobczykI wanted to test the skype video and apparently it ahnged19:22
araujoDocScrutinizer, it seems it is not in tools19:22
sobczykhanged. Orange LED is constantly on19:22
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MohammadAGAutonomous charge19:23
DocScrutinizer-8nope. that's red and indicates frontcam on19:25
MohammadAGah19:25
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DocScrutinizerdbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:PatternWebcamActive19:29
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DocScrutinizerif skype segfaults, odds are this never gets reset19:30
DocScrutinizerunless you do a dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_deactivate string:PatternWebcamActive19:30
MohammadAGback19:32
crashanddieor there's another anagram: "Merry Satan appearances; why dry him?"19:32
MohammadAGMerry Christmas everyone :)19:32
DocScrutinizersobczyk: you can always try to press ctl-bs and then hit the close [x] of skype in the thumbnail19:32
* MohammadAG passes the beer around19:32
crashanddiecontrol-bs?19:33
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I'd be happy to get some19:33
MohammadAGControlled Bullshit19:33
crashanddieThat's a button we need in this channel... To control the bullshit of some :)19:33
DocScrutinizerheheh19:33
* MohammadAG passes a noobmonk3y on the side19:33
MohammadAGi'm impressed19:33
MohammadAGtwo batteries in a die19:34
MohammadAGerr, day19:34
MohammadAG2G ftw, till you try to open youtube19:34
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: known. Ever tried that autoconnect or whatever it's called?19:35
DocScrutinizerdescription claims it auto-switches to 3G "when needed"19:35
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DocScrutinizerI honestly doubt that'll run smoothly, on most networks. DHCP will give you a new lease with different IP19:36
DocScrutinizer-> xchat and lots of other services need to reconnect19:37
DocScrutinizerestablished TCP-connects will stall19:37
DocScrutinizeretc19:38
DocScrutinizerso I never tried it19:38
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: not if you run VPN over it19:38
luke-jror other tunnels19:38
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: true19:38
luke-jrwhat it needs is seamless handover19:38
luke-jrconnect to 3G before it loses WiFi, establish new VPN connection, then terminate old stuff19:39
DocScrutinizer-8luke-jr: not feasible for 2G-»3G19:40
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer-8: perhaps19:41
DocScrutinizer-8you could hope for 3G accepting and serving a DHCP-request for  the previously used IP. And hope for maemo doing that right19:43
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer-8: works for me19:48
DocScrutinizer-8jacekowski: on forced switch 2G<->3G?19:49
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DocScrutinizer-8jacekowski: this isn't a usual handover. It's tearing down the GPRS and then switches band and re-establishes19:50
jacekowskinot on forced switch19:52
jacekowskion proper nice handover19:52
alteregoto the bar!19:53
* alterego gets a round of drinks in :)19:53
pupnikevenin19:53
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DocScrutinizer-8jacekowski: yeah, exactly what I thought19:57
DocScrutinizer-8jacekowski: I'd not even expect maemo to handle this in a way it *could* work19:58
jacekowskii doubt t would work at all19:59
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jacekowskiip addresses are assigned by radius/diameter and you have no choice but accept19:59
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SpeedEvilyou can refuse20:00
DocScrutinizer-8yeah. usually when you tear down GPRS you give back the lease. then DHCP server won't reuse same IP for quite a time20:00
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DocScrutinizer-8though it *could*20:01
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DocScrutinizer-8assign IP to IMSI20:01
DocScrutinizer-8reuse it on next lease request20:02
DocScrutinizer-8each silly DSL-router works like this, based on MAC instead of IMSI20:02
trxyeah20:03
DocScrutinizer-8nevertheless your sessions in network NAT will get discarded on GPRS teardown20:04
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trxbut in some cases it is usefull20:04
kerioi use a fixed ip on my cool router20:04
SpeedEvilnp: Westlife - Sessions in the NAT.20:04
DocScrutinizer-8so a forced 2G->3G switching is unlikely to go by unnoticed to established TCP connections20:05
* SpeedEvil slaps his VPN on the table with a meaty thud.20:05
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer-8: well, i had a gsm connection with public static ip some time ago20:09
jacekowskione of polish carriers ofer it20:09
jacekowskioffer*20:09
jacekowskibut not for free20:09
DocScrutinizer-8nice20:10
SpeedEvilHere it's natted to buggery.20:10
DocScrutinizer-8though I'd really appreciate a NAT/FW to block random bogus pings to my mobile from the internets20:10
DocScrutinizer-8will suck battery for nuttin20:11
* kerio runs a ping -f docscrutinizer.dyndns.org20:11
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SpeedEvilI'd love widespread authentication20:11
SpeedEvilPackets without the right key get thrown away at the border router20:11
DocScrutinizer-8well, as this type of authentication seems isn't any welknown standard, you could as well use a symmetric NAT for that20:13
jacekowskisort of no20:13
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer-8: RFC238520:14
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DocScrutinizer-8err, thanks. will look at it later20:15
* DocScrutinizer-8 tossing pointer over to DocScrutinizer 20:15
araujoanybody knows which package or repo contains qmake?20:16
DocScrutinizer-8hell20:17
jacekowskithat's qt related20:17
jacekowskiprobably qt-something-dev20:17
DocScrutinizer-8we told you, didn't we?20:17
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-24 18:15:43] <DocScrutinizer>   /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages20:17
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-24 18:16:21] <DocScrutinizer> so not tools but rather extras-devel, it seems20:17
DocScrutinizer20:17
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-24 18:08:36] <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# apt-cache search qmake20:18
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-24 18:08:36] <DocScrutinizer> libqt4-experimental-dev - Qt 4 development files20:18
araujoDocScrutinizer, heh, so many channels that If I don't get highlighted I can easily lose tracking the conversation, thanks again :)20:19
DocScrutinizeryw20:19
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* RST38h wonders what all these people are doing here on the Christmas Eve20:20
jacekowskii don't believe in christmas20:21
luke-jrstill tomorrow20:21
luke-jrRST38h: what else?20:22
kerioto my defense, i'm a nerd20:22
DocScrutinizerRST38h: hoping for a place where I don't have to cope with it20:22
ChoomI kinda share the sentiment20:23
Choomnot about christmas but about people20:23
ChoomI like christmas, just don't like to have people around20:23
DocScrutinizerRST38h: now you introduce this icky topic even here, to my last resort20:23
Choomthe environment is nice20:23
RST38hDoc: It is ok, I can start quoting random SCP articles if you wish=)20:24
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: to sum up the RFC. Jam an md5 hash of the packet and a secret known to both sides into the TCP header. Reciever can verify by doing hte inverse hash20:25
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: no key negotiation, nothing, it just goes in all TCP packets of a connection.20:25
DocScrutinizer-8sender IP and port, though can be spoofed, usually will serve same purpose20:27
SpeedEvilyes20:28
DocScrutinizer-8== NAT20:28
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DocScrutinizer-8specifically symmetric NAT20:29
DocScrutinizer-8though  I hate the term20:29
DocScrutinizer-8I think PNAT is the correct term20:30
DocScrutinizer-8meh peanuts20:31
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DocScrutinizerbtw: since I swapped the battery in my N810, there's not been a single (unsolicited nor any other) reboot :-D20:36
DocScrutinizerseems bme keeping battery floating @ Vmax for 2 years is more than enough to make the cell act up20:38
DocScrutinizerlet's wait and see - there've been uptimes of >30 days even with the "old worn out" battery20:39
DocScrutinizernot recently though20:40
MohammadAGRST38h, well, I don't celebrate it, and I was out all day :P20:42
DocScrutinizer-8[1|user@Nokia-N810-23-14|~]uptime -> 19:41:17 up 13 days, 13:07, load average: 0.33, 0.26, 0.1920:42
araujomm... now I get broken deps for installing libqt4-experimental-dev .....20:46
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DocScrutinizer-8MohammadAG: h-e-n GUI still calling vboost.sh?20:51
MohammadAGthat or vbuson.sh, can't remember exactly20:51
DocScrutinizer-8np20:52
DocScrutinizer-8thanks20:52
pupnikarr20:54
MohammadAGgdi20:55
MohammadAGhow the hell do I get current volume level20:55
pupnikhas anyone run hildon-desktop and assorted crud on a non-n900 device?20:55
MohammadAGyeah20:55
MohammadAGit's on youtube20:55
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pupniki wanted to remove some annoyances from chrome/chromium browser and it takes 10 gigabytes to build20:56
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I'd guess there's that abomination called gconf to ask for volume level20:56
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I mean, IF that were a *sane* system with respect to audio, then you'd do a amixer -c 0 cget numid=1721:00
MohammadAGit's not gconf DocScrutinizer21:01
DocScrutinizeralas I doubt this will pan out in the end, for this PA crap21:01
MohammadAG dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.get_extension_property string:volume21:01
* DocScrutinizer coughs21:02
* DocScrutinizer always starts coughing when somebody says mafw21:02
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RST38hWhere is your enthusiasm?21:03
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MohammadAGRST38h, he left it at tmo21:04
DocScrutinizerabstraction layer on a audio framework doing mixing on behalf of for a sound server doing mixing on begalf and while using ALSA21:04
RST38hcoooool21:04
RST38hso every code monkey inthis chain gets to do mixing, with passion21:05
RST38hHave I told you that I also do mixing, before pumping audio out to the simple_pa API? =)21:05
pupnikcan i change an X resource key in realtime?21:05
* MohammadAG kinda fell and slid on his N900 :P21:05
pupnikhm n21:06
MohammadAGno scratches :D21:06
araujoDocScrutinizer, a question, do you actually have qmake installed?21:06
DocScrutinizernope21:06
MohammadAGon the N900?21:06
araujoyes MohammadAG21:06
MohammadAGthe one in the repos won't work21:06
DocScrutinizerI'm not THAT crazy :-P21:07
araujoMohammadAG, can you point me out to the one that does? :)21:07
MohammadAGbug 1144521:07
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11445 Package libqt4-dev 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5_armel.deb contains Intel386 binaries21:07
MohammadAGsee the last comment21:07
araujook, thanks!21:07
DocScrutinizermuhahaha21:07
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DocScrutinizer\o/ egoshin21:09
* DocScrutinizer ponders idly what's the number of names he frequently runs into when looking up any maemo development related stuff21:11
DocScrutinizeractually not that large a number21:11
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, aren't we like 20 users?21:11
MohammadAGtake or take a few?21:12
DocScrutinizerhehe21:12
MohammadAG(see what I did there?)21:12
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DocScrutinizerSHR (on N900) progress is incredible, given their noticeably <1dozen devels21:13
MohammadAGSHR?21:14
* MohammadAG recalls seeing the name21:14
MohammadAGA minute of silence for the devs we lost, either to the trolls, or MeeGo21:14
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DocScrutinizerhttp://shr-project.org21:15
DocScrutinizerhttp://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Hardware21:15
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, why did they blur out Jesus's number?21:16
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DocScrutinizerwut?21:16
MohammadAGhttp://shr-project.org/trac/attachment/wiki/Screenshots/contacts3_.png :P21:17
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RST38hFinally, a real Jesus pic21:19
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noobmonk3yhappy christmas alls! time to head out for a good old xmas eve out :021:28
araujonow anybody knows the repo for libgles2-sgx-img-dev ?21:30
araujo...21:30
* MohammadAG throws a bottle of wine to noobmonk3y 21:31
* noobmonk3y grins21:33
noobmonk3yevening Mo :021:33
* DocScrutinizer opens up the cheesy cheap PET bottle of Cuban rum21:34
MohammadAGhey noobmonk3y :)21:34
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MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, is there a way to get current volume level with Qt?21:35
noobmonk3yright booze is awaiting, have a lovely xmas alls!21:35
noobmonk3yoh erm21:35
* noobmonk3y waits21:35
noobmonk3yerm... errrr.21:35
DocScrutinizerAmazing! The Antimon is hardly detectable21:35
noobmonk3yMohammadAG, in the next release of mobility supposedly, not yet21:36
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MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, oh well, thanks21:36
MohammadAGenjoy your night :)21:36
noobmonk3ythey haven't touched on the lower levels yet.... its literally things like play, rewind etc, volume + hardware is next21:36
* noobmonk3y meant multimedia, but meh, will be the same time... again, supposedly21:37
noobmonk3yassuming the nokia news is right, should be january/feb21:37
noobmonk3ybut then the n900 coming out in august/sept... cough *december* lol21:37
MohammadAGMy mediaplayer needs to be out before then21:37
noobmonk3yhmmm, can you use n900 tools till then, then upgrade?21:38
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MohammadAGwell21:38
* noobmonk3y meant n900 specific*21:38
MohammadAGI don't need to, I'm using mafw :P21:38
noobmonk3y:p21:38
DocScrutinizerHEY, I also have a Cuban cigar left over somewhere21:38
MohammadAGmafw is N900 specific so :)21:38
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, isn't there a local bar? :P21:39
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noobmonk3yooo cuban21:39
* MohammadAG wants to go out somewhere21:39
* noobmonk3y is jealous21:39
DocScrutinizeron xmess eve? you're kidding21:39
noobmonk3yMohammadAG, get your ass over to the UK :)21:39
noobmonk3yDocScrutinizer, local bars are great on xmas eve!21:39
noobmonk3yjust dont go into towns :P21:39
* noobmonk3y 's taxi... erm.... girlfriend isn't back, so , brb ciggy!21:40
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, oh, I wish21:40
DocScrutinizerhere it's "quiet earth" http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nzvideos.org/quietCD.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.nzvideos.org/quietCD.html&h=309&w=304&sz=25&tbnid=xTdp1OKVis_FuM:&tbnh=117&tbnw=115&prev=/images?q=quiet+earth&zoom=1&q=quiet+earth&usg=__KBTIKXFVOVkLoP8XVeSsrrgTvzA=&sa=X&ei=MPcUTeKAAoyv8QOSn4SEBw&ved=0CC4Q9QEwBA21:40
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, isn't germany's beer the best? :P21:41
MohammadAGthere we go again21:41
DocScrutinizerFrankonian beer is best21:41
MohammadAGagain with the "Die"s at the first of the sentence21:41
* MohammadAG dies21:41
* MohammadAG is annoyed at the "Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz", "heeeeeeeeellppppppp" "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" keywords on tmo21:42
pupniklol21:43
DocScrutinizerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quiet_Earth_(film)21:43
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz NUUUUUUUUUUUKE21:43
DocScrutinizerluuuuuuuuuuuuzers21:43
pupnik'xyz beers are the best' is probably the wrong way to think about it21:44
noobmonk3yMohammadAG, i agree entirely... wtf ... plzzzzz? that realllly annoys me!21:44
pupnik'xyz has many/few good beers of type jkl'21:44
pupnik'germany has many good beers of type pilsner'21:44
pupnik'england has many good beers of type ale'21:45
noobmonk3yand sluts but anyway21:45
MohammadAGLOL21:45
DocScrutinizerpupnik: ack, though most good beers here aren't type Pilsener, rather Lager or Keller21:45
DocScrutinizerthe good German Pilsener are all from North21:46
pupnika fresh hoppy taste blends well with alcohol.  it's like dressing it in clean linens21:47
DocScrutinizerhehe21:47
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pupnikso i'm looking at angstrom, and looking at hildon-desktop21:48
pupnikand thinking "why not jazz-up angstrom with it"21:48
pupnikthoughts?21:48
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DocScrutinizersomething's biting my neck21:48
DocScrutinizernothing "LOS  MARINOS" (with tasty Antimon) couldn't cure21:49
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.rumshop.it/rumlosmarinospaticruzado3anni-p-745.html?language=en21:52
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: well, HD isn't THAT bad, *if* you got a number of fixes22:03
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