| RST38h | Is it some silly flash game? | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | HTML5, but the title kinda got me :/ | 00:01 |
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| javispedro | "perhaps it will run at 1000Ghz at proper speed" | 00:22 |
| javispedro | that's the TMO spirit! | 00:22 |
| javispedro | somehow I just want to be here when Nokia finally tells everyone how big a joke this was and announces the move to WP7 :) | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I feel that headache again: /var/lib/pulse-nokia/* | 00:26 |
| villev | a while back we where joking how Nokia should make an Android device, just to create some more fragmentation there | 00:27 |
| villev | add extra 13 pixels somewhere | 00:27 |
| villev | or uppercase some functions in the api | 00:27 |
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| villev | WP7 could be a nice coffee room prank as well | 00:28 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it would be best for your health to skip that directory and forget that existed | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas my brain doesn't work that way | 00:28 |
| javispedro | villev: hardly a prank these days. just use an entirely different filesystem, different semantics, fail to implement most of the public APIs... and you'd fall short of what Samsung does. | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp funny detail: hs is all about headphone, while hp is all about earphone/handset | 00:29 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, love it. | 00:38 |
| GAN900 | "Surprise!" | 00:39 |
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| javispedro | yeah, it will be fun | 00:46 |
| javispedro | "Merry Christmas!!! I hope you all have been good" | 00:47 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:51 |
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| GAN900 | Who reads mwkn? | 01:01 |
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| rm_work | mwkn? | 01:05 |
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| GAN900 | rm_work, http://mwkn.net | 01:08 |
| GAN900 | Polling to see what sort of summary format people prefer. | 01:09 |
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| rm_work | ah neat | 01:20 |
| rm_work | well, off to home | 01:20 |
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| javispedro | and my only suggestion so far is to put all headlines on frontpage | 01:22 |
| javispedro | I mean, in the headline+brief format | 01:22 |
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| javispedro | probably doesn't match what you had in mind :) | 01:23 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, well, sounds useful anyway. | 01:25 |
| GAN900 | Basically the "download" edition format? | 01:25 |
| javispedro | hey, good point | 01:26 |
| GAN900 | Or do you mean something shorter than the full story vy "brief"? | 01:26 |
| GAN900 | Ah, OK. | 01:26 |
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| GAN900 | Yeah, I think the original idea was to have more stories per issue | 01:26 |
| GAN900 | Thus making the dividing up more sensible. | 01:27 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, you like longer quotes or shorter quotes? | 01:27 |
| GAN900 | And more or less commentary? | 01:27 |
| javispedro | currently the amount varies a lot between issues | 01:28 |
| GAN900 | It does. | 01:28 |
| GAN900 | Depends a lot on how lazy the aggregators have been during the week and how tired Jaffa and I are on Sunday. | 01:29 |
| javispedro | tbh, dunno. I haven't find any entry I would say it's too short (or too long) | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: no kidding, do you know anything about that PA-Nokia crap? | 01:29 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I know a bit, and that's enough for me to want a blue-flasher memory eraser thingie from Men in black | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-o | 01:30 |
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| javispedro | basically there's a mix of components involved | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I guess I can find out a lil bit with strings and lsof and strace, but... | 01:32 |
| javispedro | seems that policy was meant to be put in ohmd | 01:32 |
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| javispedro | ohmd has at least a partial prolog implementation for running what would seem to me the policy engine | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 01:32 |
| javispedro | there's a lot of dbus talk between libplayback<->ohmd->nokia-pulse modules | 01:32 |
| javispedro | and | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | PA also is supposed to have prolog (WTF?!) for policy, according to wiki | 01:33 |
| javispedro | what wiki? | 01:33 |
| javispedro | and parts of ohmd were opened recently | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 01:33 |
| javispedro | of the nokia ohmd stuff, I mean | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: I know a bit, and that's enough for me to want a blue-flasher memory eraser thingie from Men in black | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | if you find one, try to remember that I want one too | 01:33 |
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| javispedro | will do :) | 01:34 |
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| * javispedro lols at the Meego error messages stuff | 01:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain#Policy_Subsystem | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, that's ohm | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | no? | 01:36 |
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| javispedro | http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/ohm-plugins-misc/trees/master/ | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> The policy engine is based on the OHM framework. It is dynamically configurable with scripting and a prolog based rule database. | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SOURCE!! | 01:37 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 01:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 01:37 |
| javispedro | but what are you trying to do? | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-: | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errrr. forgot it. What did you ask? What was that strange blue flash? | 01:39 |
| * javispedro suggests a TCP RST here | 01:39 | |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps has finally subscribed to my "history is cyclical" school of thought :) : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=900442&postcount=1678 (flash thread) | 01:49 |
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| FireStorm| | is the n900 software 20.2010.36.2.203.1 lastest version? cause i'm sure i read some where it isn't but can't seem to find much info but ovi suite says it is | 01:51 |
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| javispedro | FireStorm|: yes | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hah, I seem to remember now - I felt unhappy about a perceived overemphasis on bass, when using N900 with my home stereo | 01:54 |
| FireStorm| | forget that found it and it makes snese lol | 01:54 |
| FireStorm| | ty anyway javispedro | 01:55 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ah. If you're playing over headphones and using mplayer you can go through alsa and forget about PA | 01:55 |
| javispedro | *over the headphones output, not using builtin speakers I mean. | 01:55 |
| FireStorm| | is there a know problem with msg software? i saved someone as a contact i've txt them a few time then suddenly it has lost the contact info and the txt display no name or number and can't reply to it, but i i send person a txt via nw msg seems to send ok, then it loses all replys i snt to them, i rebooted the phonea and it come up with loas of txts from said peron with all there txt they have sent me | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, osso-mediaplayer:crap [check]. PA:hate [check]. ALSA:bearable [check]. better mediaplayer... TODO. Not happy with mplayer | 01:57 |
| javispedro | you probably *could* get the osso mediaplayer to output to ALSA. | 01:57 |
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| javispedro | killing the pa sink plugin (via unlink() =) ) might be enough | 01:59 |
| javispedro | who knows | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | canola also completely windofied and causing nausea or tachycardia | 01:59 |
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| * DocScrutinizer prods MohammadAG to finish his mohammediaplayer | 02:00 | |
| javispedro | mohammediaplayer will use MAFW, same backend osso uses | 02:00 |
| javispedro | so getting it to output over alsa will be as hard | 02:00 |
| javispedro | s/hard/easy | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but MAFW uses gstreamer, no? and you probably have enough control about the gstreamer stack, to make e.g. audio device configurable | 02:01 |
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| javispedro | yeah, but I think this "config" should be accessible already | 02:01 |
| javispedro | lemmesee | 02:02 |
| javispedro | uh. | 02:04 |
| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/mafw-gst-renderer/libmafw-gst-renderer/mafw-gst-renderer-worker.c#1836 | 02:04 |
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| javispedro | hardcoded to pulse | 02:04 |
| javispedro | nice. | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on a seconf thought, even gstreamer is braindamaged, regarding a decent system architecture aka concept, as for example it's extreme nonsense to convert mp3 from time/freq domain into a pcm steam, just to use a seconf FFT later on for EQ and then convert back to pcm again | 02:05 |
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| javispedro | abstraction -- the reason you could play an mp3 on your pentium 133 and hardly can on your N900. | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | high regard for developers hardcoding audio sink | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even in an embedded environment I could figure any valid excuse for doing that | 02:08 |
| Venemo | javispedro: I don't agree with 'hardly' | 02:09 |
| javispedro | ok, ok :) | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | the very first mp3 player apps I used had such nice things like speed tuning without pitch change (and vice versa), and also a rather decent EQ | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't agree with P133. You'll easily do that on a 16MHz 386 I guess | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | assuming you're using a properly written decoder+player app | 02:12 |
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| javispedro | more accurate comparison, as playing a mp3 on the n900 uses up to 50% of the CPU at 250 Mhz :) | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | 44.1 KHz 2 128 Kbps ARM9E 17 MHz | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | (HELIX) | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/Mp3dec | 02:15 |
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| MohammadAG | * DocScrutinizer prods MohammadAG to finish his mohammediaplayer | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | might as well change the repository's name now :/ | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, so the correct name is qt-mediaplayer then? | 02:18 |
| javispedro | qt-mohammediaplayer | 02:18 |
| javispedro | ok ok, I'll stop :) | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | moh's qt player | 02:19 |
| javispedro | ohnoes | 02:20 |
| javispedro | attilla just said on tmo that flash 10 will NOT come to Meego | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or cuteplayer | 02:20 |
| * javispedro prepares for the eventual shitstorm | 02:20 | |
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| * SpeedEvil also prepares. | 02:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA LOL | 02:21 |
| * SpeedEvil puts away the big bag of popcorn. | 02:21 | |
| nox- | so nokia is now joining apple in the anti-flash thing? :) | 02:22 |
| javispedro | there's people that still believe that there will me a "N900 Meego 1.2 Update" on April | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | attilla == adobe? | 02:22 |
| javispedro | *be | 02:22 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: sorry, mistyped attila77 | 02:22 |
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| javispedro | seems that DocsToGo is also stuck on the Ovi Store limbo | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: looking at things like ohmd I start to love closed source OS, as there the developers have no excuse whatsoever not to ship a minimum comprehensive documentation about API and working principles. I have that weird feeling whole meEgo will become an undigestible dump of uncommented obfuscated code just like ohmd. Then they check if ther GPL preamble is evenly spread across the files and call that FOSS | 02:29 |
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| MohammadAG | how does ubuntu do this? | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ apt-get | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | autoclean clean purge upgrade | 02:33 |
| javispedro | bash | 02:34 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: the tab-completion, you mean? | 02:34 |
| * javispedro thanks god "bash" is not here | 02:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer | doing what? | 02:34 |
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| BCMM | bash completion plugins | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | it's kinda cool tbh | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | /etc/bash_completion.d/ | 02:36 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: there are little bash scripts in /etc/bash_completion.d/ that run when you press tab | 02:36 |
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| BCMM | i presume there is a way to set them up for a user as well | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 561 24. Okt 2009 /etc/bash_completion.d/dbus-bash-completion.sh :-D | 02:37 |
| BCMM | the ubuntu thing i *don't* understand is that thing where it handles commands that don't exist, and tells you what you need to install | 02:38 |
| javispedro | afaik, they patched bash. | 02:38 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: gentoo has a bash completion script for qdbus, which is splendid | 02:38 |
| BCMM | you tab to complete the application you want to use, and again for the dbus path and so on | 02:38 |
| BCMM | of course, it's kinda annoying that a broken dbus-using program can cause your shell to not return | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | COMPREPLY=($(compgen -W "$(/usr/lib/dbus-1-glib/dbus-bash-completion-helper dbus-send ${COMP_WORDS[@]:0})" -- $cur)) | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 02:39 |
| BCMM | it's weird having to ctrl-c a tab-completion | 02:39 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:14 |
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| blackthorne | hi | 03:39 |
| blackthorne | if i activate the silent profile, is it possible that my browser plays sound namely by some flash plugin? | 03:40 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 03:44 |
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| jacekowski | it's just ringtones and stuff | 03:45 |
| blackthorne | do you know of some sound switcher ? | 03:45 |
| MohammadAG | just lower volume to 0 | 03:45 |
| blackthorne | there is for wifi - on/off | 03:46 |
| MohammadAG | and there's a slider you can slide to 0 | 03:46 |
| blackthorne | i prefer to use those keys for zoom while browsing | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG | umm, status menu? | 03:47 |
| blackthorne | genius, thanks | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | no problem | 03:48 |
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| blackthorne | i think i just acquired the ultimate multipurpose gadget combo: N900 and the iPhone 4 | 03:52 |
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| blackthorne | each one takes good care of the other limitations | 03:52 |
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| quanttrom | hello, how can I open the conversations app from cli? | 04:06 |
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| xkr47 | is it possible to control whether n900 will charge its battery when connected with a usb cable ? | 08:55 |
| xkr47 | whenever at a desk, I prefer to have it connected, but wouldn't want to wear out the battery by keeping it in the charger for long times when at near full capacity | 08:57 |
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| RobbieThe1st | xkr47: It will automatically charge it till it's full, then stop charging it | 09:01 |
| xkr47 | yeah but won't it start charging again when it drops to 95% or something ? | 09:02 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yes, but that's 95% of it's -current- capacity; it would take at least a day to get that low with no usage | 09:02 |
| RobbieThe1st | Because the device is getting (most of) it's power from the USB during/after the charge | 09:03 |
| xkr47 | if I temporarily unplug it, then it will typically start charging again when I reconnect it | 09:03 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yes | 09:03 |
| RobbieThe1st | Remember this: LiOn chargers work on -voltage-, because that's all they can work on. | 09:04 |
| RobbieThe1st | When you start using it, the voltage drops by a bit. When you plug it back in, the voltage is lower than the threshold, and starts the charging process | 09:04 |
| RobbieThe1st | the voltage quickly goes back up, the current being drawn drops below a threshold, and it stops | 09:05 |
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| RobbieThe1st | As such, leaving it on the charger won't really hurt it, at least no more than keeping the battery charged will. | 09:05 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Unplugging and replugging it constantly may hurt it slightly, but I'd be more worried about the USB port myself | 09:06 |
| chx | which is more durable, the back plate or the USB plate? | 09:06 |
| chx | i have a separate battery charger | 09:07 |
| chx | and two batteries. | 09:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | I don't know; I think it depends on the unit - some revisions had a problem with the usb port | 09:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | the newer ones don't seem to | 09:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | Be -careful- unplugging it and you'll be fine. | 09:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | Swapping batteries... I'd consider that a last resort, if only because you have to reboot the system, which takes time & power | 09:08 |
| chx | RobbieThe1st: how cna i know which reivison i have? | 09:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | Um... | 09:09 |
| chx | LOL | 09:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | There's a way | 09:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | I forget it though | 09:09 |
| chx | :( | 09:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | Flasher will tell you when you flash it; one of the options may tell you without making you flash anythin | 09:10 |
| chx | erm, i mean which revisions have usb broken | 09:10 |
| RobbieThe1st | I... Honestly don | 09:10 |
| RobbieThe1st | 't know | 09:10 |
| RobbieThe1st | "cat /proc/cpuinfo" | 09:11 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I've got revision: 2101, and I'm pretty sure that's in the "good" list | 09:11 |
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| RobbieThe1st | chx: What does yours say? | 09:12 |
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| chx | yes 2101 | 09:15 |
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| RobbieThe1st | some info: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46314 | 09:16 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Of course, if you -really- want to save your USB port, you can do what one t.m.o user did - Take a mugen cover, mount a charger plug in it, wire it up and use an external LiOn charger. | 09:18 |
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| mece | hello maemonians | 10:03 |
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| DokterW | Hello | 10:04 |
| mece | what's new? | 10:05 |
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| DokterW | Installed TwimGo this other day. So far it's my favourite Twitter client. | 10:08 |
| mece | It's pretty sweet. Best one out right now :) | 10:09 |
| mece | I'm making one for myself, based on what I want though :) | 10:10 |
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| DokterW | Nice! Will you be releasing it to the public? | 10:15 |
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| mece | DokterW, sorry, was distracted. Yes sure, once it's usable. | 10:28 |
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| Khertan_ | Morning | 11:26 |
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| MohammadAG | mece, just improve on TweeGo, it has the best UI of them all | 11:32 |
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| Khertan_ | QML (Qt Meta-Object Language) is a JavaScript-based ... ouch | 11:39 |
| Khertan_ | stop reading here ... :) | 11:40 |
| frals | its awesome tbh | 11:40 |
| lardman | mece: I quite like the sound of Flipboard (iPad app) which downloads pages, images, etc. which are linked in tweets | 11:41 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan_: It's actually quite good. We built something similar using Groovy for our in-house screen design (because we don't have a separation of designers & coders on each project, so developers can use an existing library of widgets in a declarative manner to build a conformant and consistent UI) | 11:46 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan_: However, I'm looking forward to better supported/more core reusable widgets | 11:48 |
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| mece | MohammadAG, I'm already using my own. Also, TweeGo UI is not at all what I want | 11:51 |
| mece | lardman, flipboard is incredible | 11:51 |
| MohammadAG | mece, try to make it complete, please :P | 11:52 |
| MohammadAG | the amount of twitter apps in our repos are catching up with that of fart apps on the iPhone | 11:53 |
| mece | MohammadAG, don't hold your breath. I'm making it for me. | 11:53 |
| mece | MohammadAG, have you tried TwimGo? I like that one. | 11:55 |
| mece | MohammadAG, that's the most complete one IMO. | 11:56 |
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| * Jaffa likes Khweeteur best at the moment for Maemo Twitter apps (thanks Khertan_) | 12:05 | |
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| dneary | Hey hey | 12:15 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Would you mind updating planet.css from svn, please? | 12:15 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: done | 12:17 |
| dneary | Thanks | 12:17 |
| dneary | Does planet.maemo.org look OK to you now? | 12:17 |
| dneary | Jaffa, Ping? | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Everything just looks borked. Packages, Downloads etc all have these ugly lines. But if you like them, then leave them. | 12:19 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Conflicted | 12:19 |
| dneary | The lines look better on pages of text | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | Way too many horizontal lines. | 12:20 |
| dneary | Maybe I should set them just for the wiki | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | I'd set them for anything documentation. | 12:20 |
| dneary | I really wanted to stay consistent | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | Where it makes more sense. | 12:20 |
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| dneary | Hard to do... I don't think there is any CSS file common only to documentation | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I think there is a special div. | 12:21 |
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| dneary | X-Fade, Well, at least it's not awful any more | 12:26 |
| dneary | X-Fade, It's not ideal... | 12:26 |
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| dneary | I'll work on some kind of compromise today | 12:26 |
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| pupnik | pandora SNES emulator running on A70 :D hahahaha | 12:27 |
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| dneary | X-Fade, I don't see any special ID on the divs in the intro or development sections of maemo.org | 12:28 |
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| dneary | Although there is on planet-entry and downloads - so I could conceivably leave the underlined headers everywhere *but* there. | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I can also add a css based on url regex. See head-local.php | 12:29 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Perhaps the easiest is just to underline headers in the wiki | 12:30 |
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| dneary | And see if anyone notices that it isn't underlined everywhere :) | 12:30 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, did you get javispedro's message/bug? | 12:31 |
| Jaffa | dneary: pong | 12:31 |
| dneary | Jaffa, Need your opinion on the updated planet | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes. I so hate our current setup :) | 12:32 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: Lines between articles lost, but kept on the h1 & h2? | 12:32 |
| dneary | Jaffa, Yup | 12:32 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: I can't do fatal errors in buildme. I need somebody to add that functionality. | 12:32 |
| dneary | I am thinking of putting back the two-tone, and removing header underlining everywhere except the wiki | 12:32 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, just take down the package for now? | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes, but then also things break because they depend on it. | 12:34 |
| Jaffa | dneary: I'd take them off <h2> on planet, TBH. | 12:34 |
| Jaffa | dneary: "two-tone"? | 12:34 |
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| dneary | Jaffa, The old separator between articles was a 2 pixel gif | 12:34 |
| dneary | Jaffa, One bright pixel, one shadow pixel | 12:35 |
| dneary | With repeat-x | 12:35 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Ah | 12:35 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Sounds like it might be better | 12:35 |
| dneary | To create a bevelled h-separator | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, breaking those packages is better than breaking devices | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: True that. | 12:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moaning | 12:38 |
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| RST38h | Moo all. | 12:40 |
| pupnik | hey RST38h | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: was that you who is empowered to edit the comments on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? | 12:42 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Amongst a few others, yes. | 12:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: It still seems the comment there is like "always flash COMBINED *first*, _then VANILLA". Could you have a look and fix that? With our recent eMMC img there's no reason to flash rootfs first, but a whole lot of reasons to flash it last | 12:44 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: It was you who came up with that wording, right? :) | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, never ever | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I always insisted in flashing VANILLA first and THEN flash COMBINED is the better sequence | 12:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: since optification it's almost impossible to get a full flashing right the first time, as virtually nobody can avoid accidentally booting up the device between the two flash processes | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and following the "Nokia"-suggested way to flash rootfs first, then eMMC, will result in a broken system if you accidentally let device boot in between | 12:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: actually - to be on safe side of fence for all future times - we would need THREE flashes: rootfs, eMMC, rootfs | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: We had this discussion before and that is how I changed the wording last time. | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: To be on the safe side, they should use the windows flasher. Which is what most do :D | 12:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 12:51 |
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| crashanddie | X-Fade, I know your comment is semi tongue-in-cheek | 12:51 |
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| crashanddie | X-Fade, however, asking people to own a $300 OS just for the sake of updating their phone is nearly worthy of Sony :) | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: No, dead serious. If you don't know what you are doing, a gui with no options is a lot safer. | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 12:52 |
| Choom | you don't need the ultimate version of windows 7 to run the tool | 12:52 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Really, if we have a 5% linux user base then we are already aiming high. | 12:52 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, agreed on the UI part, we just need something that can also handle Linux/OSX | 12:52 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, you have to see the irony of selling a linux-based phone that needs Windows for proper updates, though ;) | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | That is not to say that we need to let people do the wrong thing by default. I'm all for wording it in a way which is not confusing. | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: End-user does not care. | 12:53 |
| crashanddie | I'm an end-user | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | It is just works/doesn't work for most. | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: that's still no reason to *require* a clumsy useless flashing sequence from users, then say "ohmy they have no clue when they fail to accomplish mission impossible" | 12:54 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but that's a bollocks argument, X-Fade | 12:54 |
| Choom | X-Fade: quite frankly I would expect a much higher linux user base for this particular phone because the sample becomes biased | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | For us the linux thing is really nice, but really.. | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's flasher tool on windows as well | 12:54 |
| Choom | that said I only run windows at home | 12:54 |
| Choom | linux is for VMs | 12:54 |
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| crashanddie | X-Fade, if I remember correctly, in Amsterdam, some Nokia big cheese said "Nokia has embraced FOSS because it makes sense" | 12:54 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Sure, for the os platform development. But for the user it is just a shiny ui thing. | 12:55 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, well, Qt Creator works nicely on multiple platforms, I don't see why the flasher wouldn't. | 12:55 |
| * MohammadAG ends discussion and writes a front-end for flasher-3.5 | 12:55 | |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: I'm all for that. | 12:56 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, it does, it just needs a Qt UI | 12:56 |
| crashanddie | aye | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: I think Jaffa did that in the 770 days already? :) | 12:56 |
| crashanddie | but it wasn't as foolproof as the windows GUI flasher | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | still the comment on tablets.nokia.foo is WRONG | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | (if the users complaining about it are right) | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, afaik, the Windows UI sets the device in flashing mode itself | 12:57 |
| crashanddie | but then again, "If you design something idiot-proof, someone will make a better idiot." | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | how it does that is beyond me | 12:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | admittedly it earned some fix in the way it now says "do NOT boot between the flashes" but honestly, not even I am sure how to guarantee that | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | probably just reboots the device | 12:58 |
| kerio | .foo is a TLD? cool | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Better now? | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, wrap a wire around the battery, attached to a brick dangling outside the window, use a photodiode to detect light emissions from the screen, which controls a actuator that pushes the brick off the edge of the window in case light emission is detected | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: mompls , need an IMEI :-S | 12:59 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, 49015420323751 | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: thnx | 13:00 |
| crashanddie | that probably won't work | 13:00 |
| crashanddie | it's the example IMEI from wikipedia | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOT VALID | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | thnx again :-S | 13:00 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: 1337133713371337 | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCKOFF | 13:01 |
| kerio | DEADBEEFDEADBEEF | 13:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: not happy at all | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes. | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh sorry | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | let me reread | 13:04 |
| crashanddie | kerio, 0xA 0xBAD 0xBABE 0xFEED 0xFACE 0xBEDDED 0xDEED with 0xDECAF into 0xFADED 0xDEFACED 0xFACADE | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, yes | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: many thanks :-) | 13:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fine :-D | 13:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer happy camper | 13:06 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | 0xC0FFEE | 13:07 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders idly how to install a token for permanent access to the download page | 13:09 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | this IMEI shit is a pita | 13:10 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: How ofter would you need to access it anyway? :) | 13:10 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Just download everything and keep it locally? | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's what I thought the first time I had to go there | 13:10 |
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| dneary | DocScrutinizerExercise: write a shell script to find all words containing only the letters ABCDEFOIS in /etc/dict | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | meanwhile I'm pondering scriots to automate flashing, incl download of most recent img via wget, and it isn't exactly easy to implement :-P | 13:12 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Sure it is, just POST the imei direcly to the download link of the file. | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | dneary: what for? | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: It is just a html form, it is not hard :) | 13:12 |
| dneary | DocScrutinizer: You seemed to be looking for hex words | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, prolly not. Just I'm no HTML dude | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 13:13 |
| dneary | DocScrutinizer: Just did it... | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | dneary: me? wasn't that kerio? | 13:13 |
| dneary | 0x5EA51DE5 | 13:13 |
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| dneary | Yeah - kerio, crashanddie too | 13:13 |
| dneary | 0x0551F1ED | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | dneary: I only said 0xCOFFEE after kerio spammed me with that | 13:14 |
| kerio | 0xBACON | 13:14 |
| dneary | He is 0x0B5E55ED | 13:14 |
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| dneary | :) | 13:14 |
| dneary | grep '^[abcdefois]\{1,\}$' /usr/share/dict/word | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's easy | 13:15 |
| crashanddie | ois <-- weak | 13:15 |
| dneary | And s/1/any number you want to increase min word length | 13:15 |
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| dneary | crashanddie, Drop em then | 13:15 |
| kerio | oisz | 13:15 |
| dneary | Z> | 13:15 |
| dneary | Z? | 13:15 |
| dneary | Which number is Z? | 13:15 |
| crashanddie | 7_ | 13:15 |
| dneary | O=0, I=1, S=5 | 13:16 |
| dneary | Ah, no | 13:16 |
| dneary | That's weaker | 13:16 |
| dneary | That's like using 4 instead of H | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | dneary: you can even use that cmdline tool I miss the name of until my coffee is finally ready and ingested, to substitute s/5 o/0 etc | 13:16 |
| dneary | The longest ones are EFFACED, DEFACED, ACCEDED | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ACCE55ED | 13:17 |
| dneary | It's a 0xFACADE | 13:18 |
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| dneary | (OK, this is clearly off topic now) | 13:18 |
| kerio | Z = 2 | 13:19 |
| kerio | duh | 13:19 |
| jacekowski | 0xDEADBEEF | 13:19 |
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| dneary | jacekowski, deadbeef in't int' dicshunry | 13:20 |
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| jacekowski | dneary: woot? | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | english man | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | speak english | 13:20 |
| dneary | jacekowski, Oui monsieur | 13:20 |
| kerio | you can combine any two 4-letter words into a 32-bit int | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | ▲ | 13:21 |
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| crashanddie | ▲ ▲ | 13:21 |
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| kerio | ▲ | 13:22 |
| kerio | ▲ ▲ | 13:22 |
| dneary | jacekowski, deadbeef ∉ {Words in the english language} | 13:22 |
| kerio | did i do it right? | 13:22 |
| dneary | kerio, Really? | 13:22 |
| jacekowski | kerio: newfag | 13:22 |
| jacekowski | kerio: can't triforce | 13:22 |
| dneary | kerio, How about zero and four? | 13:22 |
| dneary | kerio, Which 32 bit word can you make out of them? | 13:23 |
| dneary | 32 bit int, sorry | 13:23 |
| dneary | (I guess 40, if you're being a smartarse) | 13:23 |
| kerio | dneary: i meant word as in "word with only abcdefoisz" | 13:23 |
| kerio | also yeah, 40 :) | 13:23 |
| kerio | or 04 | 13:23 |
| crashanddie | kerio, 011001100110111101101111011000100110000101110010 | 13:24 |
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| dneary | kerio, Ah, so there was an unstated qualifier. That clears things up | 13:24 |
| kerio | and *i* am the smartarse? | 13:25 |
| crashanddie | dneary, bonus points if you manage to recite dearest creature in creation without stuttering when it's written in hex | 13:25 |
| Khertan_ | Jaffa: but ... hum ... it s javascript ? does there are developpers which want to leave their language (c/c++/python/ruby/...) for this abomination ? | 13:27 |
| crashanddie | dneary, when's the last time you read it? http://www.hep.wisc.edu/~jnb/charivarius.html | 13:27 |
| dneary | crashanddie, Never | 13:28 |
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| crashanddie | dneary, then please do, out loud, quite a tongue twister and humbler | 13:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eh, I see you guys having fun while I prepared my 0xC0FFEE :-D | 13:28 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_: No, the action code & expressions are JavaScript syntax (AFAIK); and you can call into methods/signals on Python & C++ objects. | 13:28 |
| dneary | crashanddie, This verse doesn't make sense | 13:29 |
| dneary | Made has not the sound of bade, | 13:29 |
| dneary | Say said, pay-paid, laid, but plaid. | 13:29 |
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| crashanddie | dneary, why not? | 13:31 |
| crashanddie | Maid has not the sound of baid, say sed, pai-paid, laid, but pled | 13:32 |
| dneary | Made & bade have the same sound | 13:33 |
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| dneary | And plaid is pronounced plade | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | or in phonetic: 'meid hez 'nat de 'saund ev 'baed, 'sei 'sed 'pei 'peid 'leid bet 'plaed | 13:34 |
| dneary | as in "pladd" | 13:34 |
| dneary | And doesn't rhyme with bade | 13:34 |
| Khertan_ | Jaffa: so i've just to hope that they ll maintain qwidget in futur ... and not force to switch to that things for mobile | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | dneary, I'd write it in phonetic alphabet, sadly don't have the right keyboard with me | 13:35 |
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| dneary | crashanddie, Cute | 13:36 |
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| dneary | Never seen it before | 13:37 |
| dneary | And some of the words have regional pronunciation variants | 13:37 |
| dneary | Like book | 13:37 |
| dneary | in Ireland, there are regions where book rhymes with luke | 13:37 |
| dneary | And others where it rhymes with luck | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_: QWidget already performs badly on non-Maemo 5 systems in terms of integration. | 13:38 |
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| Khertan_ | Jaffa: qml will be worse from what i see for portability ! | 13:41 |
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| Khertan_ | Jaffa: do one graphical interface by targetted plateform ... it s a giant back steip | 13:42 |
| Khertan_ | s/steip/step | 13:42 |
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| flux | khertan_, are you worried about fixed locations user in ui? | 13:44 |
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| pexi | support for maemo? http://www.wakemate.com/ | 13:44 |
| crashanddie | dneary, 'meɪd həz 'nɐt d̪ə 'saʊnd əv 'bæd | 13:44 |
| dneary | crashanddie, if you say so :) | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | that's not entirely correct though | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | couldn't find the character for "d" | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | (it's a d with a little cross on top) | 13:45 |
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| Khertan_ | flux: the problem is more the integration with the plateform | 13:48 |
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| Khertan_ | flux: require to do a specific interface for each targetted plateform | 13:48 |
| Khertan_ | where it was a advantage of Qt | 13:48 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Hello. What is smart reflex? It is somehow related to power of CPU I think. But I would like to know more. | 13:50 |
| flux | ex-opesa, perhaps ti's website could be of help? | 13:52 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Don't tell me its this? :S http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12032&contentId=4609 | 13:53 |
| RobbieThe1st_ | Ex-Opesa: I'm wondering the same thing myself - It's some sort of underclocking mechanism, and it doesn't work too well with Power Kernel/OCing | 13:53 |
| RobbieThe1st_ | I think it ignores the custom voltage profiles, at the very least | 13:53 |
| Ex-Opesa | I don't wan to OC any device. I just wanted to know "if" its for reducing power, etc then why it is disabled by Nokia in n900. | 13:54 |
| RobbieThe1st_ | Because it can make things unstable | 13:54 |
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| Khertan_ | Ex-Opesa: disabled as it seems unstable | 13:54 |
| Ex-Opesa | SIrs, its still unstable with latest firmware which is 20.x something? | 13:55 |
| Ex-Opesa | maemo 20.x I mean | 13:55 |
| RobbieThe1st_ | You can enable it if you want; either: 1,it will work for you nicely. 2, it will give little errors and act like you've got glitched software, or 3, it'll just crash | 13:55 |
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| RobbieThe1st_ | Honestly, it's going to depend on a per-chip basis; a better sample may work fine. A poorer one may not | 13:56 |
| Ex-Opesa | RobbieThe1st_, Ah! Okay then I will enable it and try. | 13:57 |
| Ex-Opesa | Thank you Khertan_, RobbieThe1st_, flux. | 13:57 |
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| RobbieThe1st_ | Be warned, however, that if you experience glitches, disable it - Don't complain about them | 13:58 |
| Ex-Opesa | Okay. I don't think I will be using nano or anything for editing files. I think QCPUFreq will do the job? | 13:59 |
| RobbieThe1st_ | No clue. I just use vi | 14:00 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_: Agreed, but I can see the advantages of QML - and Qt Designer 2.1's support for it is pretty damned ace. | 14:00 |
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| Ex-Opesa | RobbieThe1st_, Okay. What about main menu icons of applications? I have much applications installed and a folder to put them in would be nice. Is there any short program for this or I will have to go throught http://wiki.maemo.org/Application_menu ? | 14:03 |
| RobbieThe1st_ | ApMeFo | 14:03 |
| RobbieThe1st_ | It's in devel, maybe in extras as well | 14:04 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Oh nice! Can you guide me through one more thing? Is there any program for SMB/Windows share mounting for maemo? Which will be permanent? | 14:04 |
| RobbieThe1st_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53252 | 14:05 |
| Ex-Opesa | Thanks I will try wizard mounter. It got GUI. ^ | 14:07 |
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| crashanddie | haha | 14:44 |
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| crashanddie | op in #git tried to ban a troll | 14:44 |
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| crashanddie | he ended up making the channel invisible, invite only, and banning any user called #git | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | so he tried to block someone and made a mistake, better than not trying at all :) | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | indeed | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | but pretty funny still :) | 14:46 |
| lcuk | yeah :D like at college | 14:46 |
| lcuk | there was proxy blocking software | 14:46 |
| lcuk | and the admins managed to block everything with w in the url or something equally silly | 14:47 |
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| crashanddie | heh, same here | 14:54 |
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| crashanddie | At college, the admins were pissed off we SSH'd to other boxes and bypassed the proxies | 14:54 |
| crashanddie | so they decided they'd block all SSH traffic | 14:54 |
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| crashanddie | and I do mean... ALL | 14:54 |
| crashanddie | they spent about 2 weeks trying to get access to the firewalls again | 14:55 |
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| flashn | nowadays you proxy everything through port 80 anyway >:) | 14:56 |
| alterego | Hahah | 14:56 |
| flashn | by default | 14:56 |
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| marmoute | timeless_mbp: did you lunched ? | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks :) | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, i missed the cafeteria line and got a salad | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | so i was actually a minute late | 15:04 |
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| * GAN900 wonders who keeps thumbing mwkn | 15:40 | |
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| alterego | You? :P | 15:45 |
| alterego | Why, is there something up with mwkn? | 15:45 |
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| Khertan_ | GAN900: thumb up or down ? | 15:50 |
| Khertan_ | GAN900: i suspect some thumbs (up or down) are done by spam bot | 15:51 |
| lardman | if anyone's bored, I could do with some help debugging why I can't decode an image from file while I can from the video stream (mBarcode) | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | code? | 15:52 |
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| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt/maemobarcodewindow.cpp?root=maemo-barcode&view=markup | 15:53 |
| lardman | void MaemoBarcodeWindow::OpenAndScanImage() l517 | 15:53 |
| lardman | the calls then go into here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt/barcodedetector.cpp?root=maemo-barcode&view=markup | 15:54 |
| alterego | nyurgh, snowing again | 15:55 |
| lardman | is melting here from the looks of it | 15:55 |
| lardman | still cold though | 15:55 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, are you sure your padding code is correct? | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | if(img.bytesPerLine() == bpp/8*img.width()){ | 15:57 |
| lardman | yes | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | int remainingBytes = img.bytesPerLine()-bpp/8*img.width(); | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | while( ( padding*bpp/8 - remainingBytes) % 4) | 15:57 |
| lardman | it works | 15:58 |
| lardman | otherwise the image file generated later on would come out skewed | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | what if img.bytesPerLine() is < (bpp / 8 * img.width()) | 15:58 |
| lardman | it can't be | 15:58 |
| tybollt | nookla selling windows phones? | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | ok | 15:58 |
| tybollt | anything to those rumours or just plain ol hogwash? | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | hogwash, I'd say | 15:58 |
| tybollt | th | 15:59 |
| tybollt | the russian bastard is apparently speculating at it | 15:59 |
| HRH_H_Crab | maybe im missing something and someone can help, but there seems to be some really strange behaviour with the metadata tracker thing. i have some flacs which make up an album. the other day it was showing up fine in media player. since then ive formatted my mmc card to make way for android and when i copied them over they don't show up. | 15:59 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i can play them via the file browser, | 15:59 |
| HRH_H_Crab | and if i make an m3u playlist that shows up in imported playlists, | 16:00 |
| tybollt | crashie: Also... any news on next meego/maemo phone/hw? | 16:00 |
| HRH_H_Crab | but its really strange how sometimes they work and sometimes they dont. | 16:00 |
| HRH_H_Crab | ive tried tracker-processes -r / --hard-reset etc... | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | tybollt, it'll be awesome, but too late | 16:00 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: ;-/ | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | lardman, how big (in resolution) is the image on disk compared with what you get from camera? | 16:01 |
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| * alterego thinks gitorious is a bit screwy at the moment. | 16:01 | |
| crashanddie | why? | 16:01 |
| lardman | it's bigger ~429x429 vs 400*240 | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | lardman, ok, but not significant -- I thought maybe timeout or something | 16:02 |
| lardman | but I've tried scaling to different resolutions before sending the buffer over and it didn't do anything | 16:02 |
| lardman | It's quite annoying as I'm grabbing the data saved in the decoder thread buffer and it can be read by zbarimg | 16:03 |
| lardman | and it looks identical format-wise to that coming though the camera pipeline | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | lardman, where exactly is the problem happening? | 16:03 |
| alterego | "Nokia employees destroy phones" - That sounds like a fun thread in the making | 16:03 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, I mean, up to where do you see it behaving properly? | 16:03 |
| lardman | crashanddie: the problem is that no barcodes ever get decoded from file | 16:03 |
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| lardman | ah, well using the camera to look at a barcode image works fine | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | lardman, but it seems to analyse the file as usual? | 16:04 |
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| lardman | yes | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | lardman, takes the same amount of time? | 16:04 |
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| lardman | hard to tell | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | take a picture? | 16:04 |
| lardman | ? | 16:05 |
| lardman | decode process takes ~1/30s | 16:05 |
| GAN900 | I'm sorry, but why shouldn't a thread title "N900 - Yes it sucks" be locked. . . . | 16:05 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | is there any way to turn off the phone functions and keep the OS running in the n900? | 16:05 |
| lardman | jpinx-eeepc: flight mode? | 16:05 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lardman: where do I find that in the menus? | 16:06 |
| lardman | power button menu | 16:06 |
| lcuk | "offline mode" | 16:06 |
| jpinx-eeepc | :) thanks | 16:06 |
| lcuk | angry birds question (for tracy) | 16:07 |
| lcuk | she bought all the level packs (the adict she is) | 16:07 |
| lcuk | but cannot get past level 21 on the ui | 16:07 |
| lcuk | how does she activate the extra levels from 22-45 | 16:07 |
| lcuk | (for instance, description for level pack 4 says 45 levels, but ui only shows first 21) | 16:07 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, | 16:08 |
| ZogG | pingo | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazzup? | 16:08 |
| ZogG | sup sup | 16:08 |
| nidO | lcuk: scroll right? | 16:08 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=901253#post901253 | 16:08 |
| ZogG | what you would say now? | 16:08 |
| ZogG | read whole thread. | 16:09 |
| ZogG | i mean all his first 3 posts | 16:09 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, can you give me an example of the padding value? | 16:09 |
| lcuk | nidO, nope, mouse press causes level to open and no scrolling mechanism or ui hints are there | 16:09 |
| lardman | for img.width()==429 and bpp=24 the padding value would be 3 pixels | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | lardman, what's the img.bytesPerLine() value for that? | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: looks cool | 16:11 |
| lardman | that's the stride | 16:11 |
| lardman | QImage aligns each scanline of its buffer on 32bit boundaries | 16:12 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer that's the same thing i was talking about last time, you told it's useless =) | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | lardman, English | 16:12 |
| ZogG | in soviet russian some people are got crazy =) | 16:12 |
| lardman | each line of the image starts on a 32bit boundary | 16:12 |
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| ZogG | there is one guy who dicede to take 1% of all products that can contain data(cd, mp3, hdd and so on) | 16:13 |
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| lardman | so if the length of the line is not a round number of 32bits, it jumps and starts the next line with a gap# | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: it's useless if it just duplicates dbus-scripts. Now I read it tries to stay compatible to dbus-scripts (kinda) and offer superior functionality. That's a completely different story | 16:13 |
| ZogG | he is head of the cinematographic organization and he was approved | 16:13 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, I understood that, but you're getting img.bytesPerLine(), right? | 16:13 |
| ZogG | now he wants 1% of smartphones from Nokia, HTC and Samsung =) | 16:14 |
| lardman | crashanddie: yes, that includes the padding to make the line a multiple of 32bits | 16:14 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer told you it can do better i'm just too stupid to explain and understand, as never used cron and don't know it's scripting =) | 16:14 |
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| ZogG | RST38h, have you heard about Mihalkov? | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | wel, the cron reference actually is the worst of it :-) it got nothing to do with cron | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but there are quite a flock of other oddly named apps :-D | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | lardman, ok, thanks | 16:15 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer ooops i mean d-bus | 16:15 |
| ZogG | sorry | 16:15 |
| ZogG | cronbus cofused me with it name ) | 16:16 |
| * ZogG is officially stupid now, go on laught at him | 16:16 | |
| crashanddie | lardman, so padding = 3, width = 429, and bpp = 24? | 16:16 |
| lardman | yep | 16:17 |
| lardman | for a particular file that I was testing anyway | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | so bytesPerLine = (24 / 8) * 429 + 3 | 16:17 |
| lardman | no | 16:17 |
| lardman | bytesPerLine is padded to the nearest 32bit multiple | 16:17 |
| lardman | but my padding is designed so that I pad a round number of pixels, so that I meet the requirement of QImage that the buffer stride be multiples of 32bits and also of the decoder that there be no gaps between lines | 16:18 |
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| alterego | Bloody annoying how QtNetwork hooks directly into icd :/ | 16:23 |
| alterego | Especially when you're creating a local socket .. | 16:23 |
| crashanddie | lardman, so at best you only pad by 4, right? | 16:24 |
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| lcuk | re: angry birds problem, it appears tracy the angry bird never updated her system | 16:25 |
| lcuk | ie, problem sorted, she has a 135 levels to keep her occupied | 16:25 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: depends on the bpp | 16:26 |
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| lardman | but yeah at best no padding, at worst something like 3 pixels | 16:26 |
| pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/JO1om.jpg snes on archos @ 1ghz :D | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | lardman, well, yeah, at 32 bpp, you wouldn't actually pad ever | 16:27 |
| tybollt | is there a meego based lap- or net-book out there in the stores now? Otherwise why the hell are they launching meego adverts even prior to a finished product? :S | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | lardman, and at 16bpp, you would either pad 2, or 0, and at 8bpp, you would pad 4 max | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | correct? | 16:28 |
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| lardman | 3 max | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | yeah, sorry, meant "4 values of padding, [0-3]" | 16:29 |
| lardman | it would be 3 padded pixels of 8 bits max | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | k | 16:30 |
| * toresbe just dropped his N900 into a cup of coffee :( | 16:30 | |
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| crashanddie | lardman, but you always pad 8 bits | 16:30 |
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| lardman | no, I pad by pixel, so each padding value has bpp bits | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | k | 16:30 |
| lardman | but yeah that's the general idea | 16:30 |
| lardman | I think that code is fine tbh, the QImage which is saved later looks fine | 16:31 |
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| lardman | it ends up with a black line on the far rhs if it's been padded | 16:31 |
| lardman | as expected | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | sure, I was just double checking | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | I can't always tell the difference between a 2px line and a 3px one ;) | 16:31 |
| lardman | no worries, good to have someone ask the questions and make sure I got it right :) | 16:32 |
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| crashanddie | dude | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | for (int i=0.... | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | for (int i=0... | 16:33 |
| lardman | yeah should change the naming, but it probably doesn't matter | 16:33 |
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| lardman | value isn't used and you can't override the loop iterator afaik | 16:35 |
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| lardman | but yes thanks for spotting the poor code | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | toresbe: IMMEDIATELY REMOVE BATTERY | 16:35 |
| kerio | toresbe: keep using it like a boss | 16:36 |
| kerio | especially if it's burning your hand because of the coffee | 16:36 |
| crashanddie | what does img.constScanLine(i) do inmemcpy(pos, img.constScanLine(i), img.width()*bpp/8); //img.bytesPerLine() | 16:36 |
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| lardman | that's the pointer to the start of the data in a given scanline in a QImage | 16:38 |
| lardman | so I iterate thought scanlines, memcpy them, pad if necessary, goto 1: | 16:38 |
| crashanddie | aye | 16:38 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, I don't get it | 16:40 |
| lardman | what? | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | well, the bug | 16:40 |
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| lardman | nor do I | 16:41 |
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| crashanddie | could it be in analyseImage() | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | ? | 16:41 |
| lardman | I think not, the data going in is the same format, not really anything to go wrong | 16:41 |
| lardman | but really I'm open to any thoughts | 16:42 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, how big is the DMTX thread buffer? | 16:42 |
| lardman | big enough | 16:43 |
| lardman | 800x480 | 16:43 |
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| lardman | though yes I should add a check in there to prevent too much data being written to it | 16:43 |
| lardman | 800x480x32bpp in fact | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | toresbe: if you want to keep your N900, instead of binning it, you MUST remove the battery, thoroughly shake out all fluid, KEEP BATTERY REMOVED (don't insert to try if device works!), then - depending if the coffee was with shugar and|or milk, or if it was black pure coffee - either dry the N900 for AT LEAST 2 WEEKS in a dry warm place (PC fan), or even take it to service (or do that yourself) so they disassemble the device and CLEAN and | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | dry it (milk and sugar won't ever dry properly, you need to rinse the PCB and kbd etc) | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | I had an american beer fall over my macbook pro about one week after I bought it | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | I just held the laptop on the side (while running) for a bit, never had any issues | 16:45 |
| pupnik | close enough to water eh? | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, distilled :D | 16:46 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, not unusual, american beer is so much like water it wouldnt corrode things | 16:46 |
| * lcuk types slower than pupnik | 16:46 | |
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| crashanddie | lardman, sorry, I don't see anything obvious, your code seems sane... Did you run it through a real debugger? | 16:46 |
| pupnik | it was a set-up joke, lcuk | 16:46 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: it doesn't crash, it's just that it doesn't detect a barcode in an image that I know can be decoded | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | I got that | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | but you should be able to profile your threads in a way to discover where the "decisions" start changing | 16:47 |
| lardman | I guess I'll have to do some debugging of the decoder threads, which is a pita | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 16:48 |
| RST38h | evening, lardman, pupnik, lcuk, crash | 16:48 |
| RST38h | Doc too | 16:48 |
| toresbe | DocScrutinizer: I cleansed it out with water. I'm going to go over it with isopropanol. I also immediately removed the battery, rinsed it with water, and dried it off. | 16:48 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 16:48 |
| RST38h | Anything I have missed since this morning? | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | aww, my phone operator (or whatever they're called) thought about replacing the phone lines just to fuck with me | 16:48 |
| RST38h | Any Qt-on-WP7 annuoncements? =) | 16:48 |
| pupnik | hey not really | 16:48 |
| lardman | crashanddie: ok, I'd hoped you'd spot something glaringly obvious, but alas no, I shall get debugging | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | 7 damn hours | 16:48 |
| lardman | crashanddie: thanks for looking :) | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | anyway, lardman, after trying to debug some image handling code, I'll now go debug VoIP handling code | 16:49 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Wait until someone comes to replace the plumbing. You will remember the phone people with affection | 16:49 |
| * MohammadAG wonders how to put two lists in a QMaemo5ValueButton | 16:49 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | toresbe: don't work sloppy on the drying part. It NEEDS weeks to dry, and you'll break the device if you insert battery too early | 16:49 |
| lardman | crashanddie: reduction of 1D, should be easier ;) | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, any chances you know how? :P | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, lol | 16:49 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: answering your question yesterday, I'm cleaning it up now and will package and upload tomorrow. | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | lardman, nha, this is way worse than 1D | 16:49 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: what do you mean two lists? | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | and my question today? :P | 16:50 |
| alterego | Do you mean multiple lists like the time selector? | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | lardman, we have multi-synchronised conferences (people who join a conference at moment t() + x need to hear everything a tiny bit accelerated so they can be in synch within y seconds) | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | QMaemo5ListPickSelector or whatever it is | 16:50 |
| alterego | Yes | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | weeks to dry or a day or so at 60C. But, make sure it's actually at 60C, much more can damage, much less may risk it not drying | 16:50 |
| toresbe | I'm still going over it with isopropanol to clean the PCBs.. | 16:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | fair enough | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, by the end of next year, I might have all of hildon in Qt :P http://i52.tinypic.com/b4aqg4.jpg | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | iso will also dilute the water, so drying will be faster. But again: don't gamble! electrolytic corrosion is nasty | 16:54 |
| hahlo | is diablo still newest for n8x0? any debian or community releases? | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | I just need to make two lists | 16:54 |
| lardman | crashanddie: hmm, sounds fun :) | 16:54 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: you're going to need to subclass some pick selector and implement it yourself. | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that doesn't sound right. one QMaemo5ListPickSelector can only handle one list | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, sigh, why can't I just include three layouts each with a selector :/ | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | (and the last with a QDialogButtonBox) | 16:55 |
| alterego | Try it | 16:55 |
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| MohammadAG | I doubt the QMaemo5ValueButton will get the values from the two pick selectors | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 16:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer in vain tries to imagine what's the design causing the problem | 16:57 | |
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| tybollt | < crashanddie> I had an american beer fall over my ... | 17:01 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: you openly ADMIT to drinking that stuff? :) | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: moin | 17:02 |
| javispedro | morning | 17:02 |
| RST38h | moorning javispedro | 17:03 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: funnily enough I'm trying to hack QMaemo5ValueButton right now as well ;) | 17:03 |
| crashanddie | tybollt, well... I didn't buy it? | 17:03 |
| alterego | But I'm trying to make the text blue when you don't use a pick selector. | 17:03 |
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| alterego | It's proving to be a bit of a bitch .. | 17:07 |
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| * alterego gives up | 17:12 | |
| * lardman too | 17:12 | |
| * lardman also has to reboot to do some MATLAB | 17:15 | |
| lardman | bbl | 17:15 |
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| RST38h | MATLAB: The Operating System ! | 17:15 |
| Choom | hmm | 17:17 |
| Choom | is there a syslog in maemo? | 17:17 |
| Choom | or better yet | 17:17 |
| Choom | where do syslog messages go in maemo? | 17:18 |
| javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/syslog | 17:18 |
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| dneary | X-Fade, I think I have a solution | 17:24 |
| dneary | X-Fade, If you can update the CSS again... | 17:25 |
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| Choom | javispedro: thanks | 17:27 |
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| PaulyN900 | hi eedd help | 17:30 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: =) | 17:31 |
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| mikki-kun | what makes you n900 way faster? ahh yeah dsl 50 k :D | 17:32 |
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| GAN900 | dneary, did you break Planet? | 17:36 |
| dneary | GAN900, That's a funny question... | 17:36 |
| dneary | GAN900, Could you elaborate, please? | 17:36 |
| dneary | Start with when, then what. | 17:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'One of you in this room killed Planet' | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | (in a belgian accent) | 17:37 |
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| dneary | SpeedEvil, That would be "zis" | 17:38 |
| dneary | GAN900, So - what I'm getting at: are you referring to changes made last week, or today? | 17:38 |
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| tybollt | one of you in zis ruum killed ze planet | 17:39 |
| GAN900 | dneary, the stylesheets went a little wonky a few days ago. | 17:41 |
| dneary | GAN900, Then you should force a reload of CSS today | 17:41 |
| dneary | See if it's better for you | 17:41 |
| dneary | GAN900, But yes, I did that | 17:41 |
| dneary | Based on bug #10093 | 17:41 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10093 Horizontal lines after level 1-2 headings in wiki.maemo.org | 17:41 |
| dneary | I was merely the agent of Tim Samoff's recommendation | 17:42 |
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| dneary | Planet & news wonkiness was a side-effect of making the wiki better | 17:42 |
| GAN900 | Damn Tim | 17:42 |
| dneary | Read the bug report | 17:42 |
| dneary | it's worth it | 17:42 |
| dneary | https://bugs.maemo.org/10093 | 17:42 |
| povbot | Bug 10093: Horizontal lines after level 1-2 headings in wiki.maemo.org | 17:42 |
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| dneary | I've basically reverted everything to where it was pre-wonkiness today, but only committed a few minutes ago, so the CSS isn't deployed yet | 17:43 |
| Venemo | hey guys | 17:44 |
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| helloers | what to do with the n900 pulled a micro-sd connector?:Q | 17:50 |
| Venemo | wut? | 17:50 |
| alterego | wut? | 17:50 |
| helloers | http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2010/2/n900-broke.jpg | 17:51 |
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| javispedro | "micro-sd" | 17:55 |
| javispedro | wut! | 17:55 |
| javispedro | microUSB, I think you mean :) | 17:55 |
| Venemo | helloers: that seems like a microusb, not microsd | 17:55 |
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| Venemo | helloers: take it to a repair centre if you have warranty. if not, then you're screwed | 17:55 |
| helloers | ah yes | 17:56 |
| helloers | its micro-usb;d | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | On a related matter. | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a n900 bought from nokia.co.luk november before last. | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I note that now, they say 'warranty 32 years' on the order page. | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to recall if orders last year were also 2 years, or 1 | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | 2 years, not 3 | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | 32 | 17:57 |
| nidO | theyre 2 | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Great. | 17:57 |
| nidO | nokia eu warranty has been 2 years for a long time | 17:57 |
| mikki-kun | 32 years warranty is pretty long | 17:57 |
| kerio | 0xFF years of warranty | 17:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | 0x20 | 17:58 |
| kerio | your grandson will be able to get assistance! | 17:58 |
| kerio | hell, make that grandgrandson | 17:58 |
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| * SpeedEvil at the moment lacks a cloning chamber, or other required items for that. | 17:58 | |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: hmm... a girlfriend? | 17:59 |
| lcuk | i think a cloning chamber perhaps has better odds of happening | 17:59 |
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| PaulyN900 | helllo | 18:08 |
| PaulyN900 | hi i need help | 18:09 |
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| PaulyN900 | i have ext usb mouse and it works and everything but browsing with microb the mouse cursor goes away | 18:10 |
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| nze | hi, how can i display the saved wifi passwords? | 18:10 |
| PaulyN900 | ? | 18:11 |
| nze | i know there's a command for that but i cant find that bloody thread.. | 18:11 |
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| mikki-kun | mouse cursor is the packages name i think | 18:16 |
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| mikki-kun | i am checking :) | 18:16 |
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| mikki-kun | xorg-evdev-mouse seems the packages name... i am not really sure though with it's name | 18:19 |
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| mikki-kun | but i guess it servers what you are searchin for :) | 18:19 |
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| Tukeke | Xc0re, xD | 18:56 |
| Tukeke | xD | 18:56 |
| Xc0re | hola chamo | 18:56 |
| Xc0re | XD | 18:56 |
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| Tukeke | chamo | 18:57 |
| Tukeke | que fue | 18:57 |
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| Xc0re | que hay, mi paná? | 18:57 |
| Tukeke | todo bien llave | 18:57 |
| Xc0re | chevere | 18:57 |
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| alterego | ERM .. | 19:07 |
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| * alterego contemplates integrating lirc with tv listings | 19:13 | |
| alterego | Or I could actually stop being a lazy bitch and build my media PC .. | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | myth | 19:15 |
| lbt | alterego: I just ordered an acer aspire | 19:15 |
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| alterego | Actually, I've been working on my own system :P | 19:15 |
| alterego | With a QML based interface. | 19:16 |
| nidO | I just bought a sony blu-ray player, does everything I woulda really wanted from a media pc and cost way less | 19:16 |
| lbt | nidO: rofl | 19:16 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:16 |
| nidO | what :( | 19:16 |
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| kerio | nidO: hahaha | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | d-link DIR-615... fun | 19:23 |
| kerio | nidO: wait, are you serious? | 19:24 |
| kerio | i didn't know sony blu-ray players did bittorrent | 19:24 |
| kerio | or encoding | 19:24 |
| kerio | or internet | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | every bluray does internet afaik | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | part of specs | 19:25 |
| kerio | what internet? | 19:25 |
| kerio | will it do hulu? | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | no hoolahoola | 19:26 |
| nidO | my nas machine does my torrents and encoding, the blu-ray player plays it all, and as DocScrutinizer says, all blu-ray players have internet connection capability | 19:26 |
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| kerio | nidO: does it have vlc and mplayer? | 19:26 |
| nidO | and I live in the UK so hulu isnt much of an option, but yeah it does do iplayer, lovefilm (uk version of netflix) and catchup services for most other channels | 19:26 |
| nidO | why would it need vlc or mplayer specifically, its' own software plays practically every media format under the sun | 19:27 |
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| kerio | does it read zmbv? | 19:27 |
| kerio | vlc does | 19:28 |
| nidO | I dont have the slightest idea, and as I have no zmbv content I also couldnt give the slightest bit of a toss | 19:28 |
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| trbs | Does anybody else have problems with incoming audio in skype on the n900 ? | 19:44 |
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| * RST38h does not quite understand: if there IS a Flash Player 10.0 from TI's website, why are all these lemmings still raving about the lack of it? | 19:50 | |
| alterego | I don't know, but a thread of something like 1.7k messages on flash 10 just shows how bad the community has gone :) | 19:50 |
| RST38h | That is not community's fault. | 19:51 |
| RST38h | Anyone at Google causing that much sorrow to Android users would have been gone long ago | 19:51 |
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| pupnik | a community needs something to be hysterical about | 19:55 |
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| pupnik | or shall we say about 50% of every community does | 19:55 |
| pupnik | they'll find something :D | 19:56 |
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| alterego | Heh | 19:56 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: TI is still refusing to give it to lemmings. Not to mention that some still believe the existence of the "hardware accelerated Flash 10.1" | 20:08 |
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| javispedro | TMO should call those Anonymous guys and DDoS TMO itself because they won't give flash to TMO! | 20:10 |
| alterego | FAILED | 20:12 |
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| jacekowski | javispedro: there is hardware accelerated flash 10.1 | 20:22 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: but not for arm | 20:22 |
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| jacekowski | RST38h: flash on ti website is a beta version and you have to request it and they have to approve that request and it's not so easy | 20:22 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: and it's worthless | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | what's the best VM software for linux? | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | use hardware flash accelleration under qemu | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | wine is a lost cause sometimes | 20:23 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: depends | 20:23 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: vmware/virtualbox/kvm/kqemu/ | 20:23 |
| jacekowski | virtualbox is probably most userfriendlyu | 20:23 |
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| jacekowski | just don't use opensource version | 20:24 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: I know, and only since recently for Linux (re "hw accelerated" flash) | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | only on x86 | 20:24 |
| pupnik | youtube is working better now with html5 | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | not all videos are on html5 player | 20:25 |
| pupnik | a higher percentage now | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | does HTML5 work in FF? | 20:26 |
| kerio | on firefox4, yeah | 20:26 |
| kerio | but the webm videos are even less than the h264 videos | 20:26 |
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| pupnik | duno | 20:31 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: in opera | 20:32 |
| jacekowski | opera ftw | 20:32 |
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| kerio | opera suxxxxx | 20:33 |
| jacekowski | opera is faster | 20:33 |
| jacekowski | better | 20:33 |
| jacekowski | has more features | 20:33 |
| jacekowski | uses less memory | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, I hate opera | 20:34 |
| javispedro | for a change, I'm just going to say I hate HTML5. | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | used it when I was a kid | 20:34 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, and you like flash right? | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | muhahahahaha | 20:38 |
| alterego | Well, | 20:39 |
| kerio | hehe, where's that browser chart... | 20:39 |
| javispedro | at least I can purge Flash from my browser. | 20:40 |
| alterego | What the freak | 20:40 |
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| MohammadAG | lol javispedro | 20:40 |
| kerio | http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kzu2faunom1qzrjyxo1_500.jpg | 20:40 |
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| DokterW | jacekowski: Does Opera have addons like: HTTPS-Everywhere, PolicyRequest, SiteLauncher? | 20:40 |
| kerio | DokterW: not to mention firesheep | 20:41 |
| DokterW | :) | 20:41 |
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| DokterW | that is the one reason I have hard time ditching Fx, some of the add-ons. | 20:41 |
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| jacekowski | DokterW: yes, yes, and yes | 20:42 |
| DokterW | but, do you get Opera only as a web browser, without the extra, email, rss reader, etc? :p | 20:43 |
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| DokterW | does it still have the bittorrent client built-in to it? | 20:43 |
| javispedro | does it matter if it has a thousand of unwanted features if it manages to implement them in less space than a competitor's does just for plain browsing? | 20:44 |
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| * MohammadAG goes to look for a legal *cough* version of WinXP | 20:44 | |
| javispedro | Not being an Opera fan, but if it has an email client AND it keeps disk footprint below that of Firefox, ftw. | 20:44 |
| javispedro | disk footprint + memory usage + etc. | 20:45 |
| jacekowski | DokterW: yes it does | 20:45 |
| jacekowski | DokterW: and it's still lighter than firefox with no addons | 20:45 |
| pupnik | heh 'it's bloated!' | 20:45 |
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| DokterW | I still prefer that they did what mozilla did, provide a stand-alone browser. it might have a small impact on the system footprint as it's already small, but it will make the settings window less cluttered. But that's just a personal preference of mine. :) | 20:47 |
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| jacekowski | javispedro: and you have opera link ( synchronisation of notes/bookmarks/history/speed dial/search engines/content blocking rules ), opera unite, opera turbo | 20:48 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: http://maemo.org/packages/view/columbus/ | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | DokterW: opera settings windows is simpler than firefox settings | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | and support for porn mode tabs + normal tabs at same time | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | builtin irc/email/rss | 20:49 |
| jacekowski | and torrent | 20:49 |
| jacekowski | extensions | 20:49 |
| DokterW | I have an irc, email, torrent and rss client. Don't need more, that I don't use. :) | 20:49 |
| DokterW | But Opera for mobile devices is really awesome tho. | 20:50 |
| korhojoa | agreed | 20:51 |
| korhojoa | I've used opera on my E61, and it beats the hell out of the standard browser | 20:51 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, :D | 20:51 |
| korhojoa | i've also used it on a 9300i and the n900 :3 | 20:51 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: don't expect it to be particularly stable. | 20:54 |
| * MohammadAG shrugs | 20:54 | |
| alterego | It's still very much in development, but I figured I should release _something_ :) | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, is it FOSS? | 20:54 |
| alterego | Yup | 20:54 |
| * MohammadAG facepalms | 20:54 | |
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| * MohammadAG looks at mirror | 20:54 | |
| MohammadAG | it says free idiot | 20:54 |
| jacekowski | http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d3df553ef0147e0be4f0a970b-800wi | 20:56 |
| jacekowski | korhojoa: and it can sync with desktop browser | 20:56 |
| korhojoa | jacekowski, yes, the new versions do, the ones i used to use didn't | 20:57 |
| jacekowski | alterego: what does it do? | 20:57 |
| alterego | Stuff | 20:57 |
| jacekowski | just stuff? | 20:57 |
| jacekowski | or cool stuff as well? | 20:57 |
| alterego | It's biggest features at the moment are probably the NMEA streaming to file, network, bluetooth serial or usb serial. | 20:58 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsGFinU22zA << cellular automata on archos / angstrom | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, the dishes :P | 20:58 |
| alterego | When using it as a usb serial device and GS2 is chose, it disables pnatd then reenables it afterwards. | 20:58 |
| alterego | jacekowski: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html | 20:59 |
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| korhojoa | i just sent in my n900 today to get the microusb fixed :| | 21:00 |
| jacekowski | how does it get data? | 21:03 |
| jacekowski | via location api or directly from rapuyama | 21:04 |
| alterego | location api | 21:05 |
| alterego | Qt mobility to be exact | 21:05 |
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| alterego | It has an easy to use interface for writing more data formatters so it's trivial to add support for other output formats. | 21:05 |
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| DokterW | Do you guys know if there is a plan to port thunderbird to the n900? | 21:05 |
| alterego | And there's a plugin interface, though that currently is disabled as all the plugins I've wrote are statically linked. | 21:05 |
| alterego | Well, effectively statically link. They're hard coded in at the moment. | 21:05 |
| * javispedro smells of gpsd | 21:06 | |
| ioan | there is a n900 on craigslist here for $150, "The only thing is the charger portal doesnt work.", is that the broken usb port problem? | 21:06 |
| wmarone | ioan: probably | 21:06 |
| jacekowski | ioan: yes | 21:06 |
| jacekowski | ioan: but that is warranty thing | 21:06 |
| jacekowski | ioan: and they should fix it if | 21:06 |
| alterego | javispedro: yeah, but its' not a daemon :P | 21:06 |
| jacekowski | ioan: unless it's us version that has shorter varranty | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | warranty* | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | and only in US | 21:07 |
| ioan | wmarone: how hard is to fix it? and the seller said its still in warranty... but he doesn't want to take care of it because he uses another phone | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | ioan: is it US version? | 21:07 |
| ioan | yes | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | then it's out of warranty | 21:07 |
| wmarone | use the warranty, it's generally not manually repairable | 21:07 |
| nidO | it may not be in warranty then | 21:07 |
| wmarone | jacekowski: how long is the US warranty? | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | 1 year | 21:07 |
| ioan | http://eugene.craigslist.org/mob/2046653144.html | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | and they fixed that problem long time ago | 21:08 |
| jacekowski | only phones older than year have problem with usb port | 21:08 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, err, libqt4? | 21:10 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: say what? | 21:10 |
| alterego | Oh, deps are fucked? | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libqt4, libqt4-maemo5, libqtm-systeminfo, libqtm-location <-- libqt4 doesn't exist | 21:10 |
| alterego | It doesn't? | 21:10 |
| alterego | Crap | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | no | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | and shlibs should do all that | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | you don't need any deps other than ${shlibs:Depends} | 21:11 |
| alterego | (fixing) | 21:11 |
| * MohammadAG fixed it locally :P | 21:11 | |
| ioan | is the n900 warranty transferable? | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | kewl, segfault (cc alterego :P) | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | Set bt to on, close the dialog, open it again and set it to off | 21:13 |
| jacekowski | ioan: what do you mean? | 21:13 |
| jacekowski | ioan: it's bound to device | 21:13 |
| jacekowski | ioan: where are you? | 21:13 |
| ioan | in US, next to eugene (where the ad is) | 21:14 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I did a massive refactoring today and some things might have broken :P | 21:14 |
| pupnik | nice area ioan | 21:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | hey guys | 21:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | what's up MohammadAG? | 21:15 |
| pupnik | moo | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I already gave you step by step instructions, you should've noticed the bug :P | 21:15 |
| ioan | jacekowski: I'll make sure that the phone is still in warranty and I'll buy it :-) | 21:15 |
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| ioan | jacekowski: yeah, oregon is nice | 21:16 |
| pupnik | jacekowski: any improvements to the speakers in newer phones? | 21:16 |
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| jacekowski | i don't know | 21:16 |
| jacekowski | i never had problems with it on mine | 21:17 |
| alterego | Hrm, I thought I fixed that bug MohammadAG I can see where it's segfaulting ;) | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'm awesome at pointing out others' faults aren't I? :P | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | now if only I could do the same for myself | 21:18 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:18 |
| ioan | pupnik: yeah, oregon is nice (<---- was for you) | 21:18 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, have 2 user accounts ;) | 21:19 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, making a virtual machine :P | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | argh | 21:20 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: I'm gonna stick it into gitorious soon if you're interested ;) | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | damn thing needs a key, /me forgot | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, already got the source and had a look at it :P | 21:21 |
| alterego | :) | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, maybe we can do a mohammediaplayer merge so it can tag where you listened to tracks | 21:21 |
| alterego | Sure, but that'll only be as up-to-date as my packaging :) | 21:21 |
| alterego | Okay, fixed :) | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_: Down, seems to be one most weeks. | 21:26 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: uploaded the fixed version now (0.8.2) | 21:27 |
| alterego | Should be building soon. | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, already beat you to it, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/columbus_0.8.1-1_armel.deb :P | 21:28 |
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| MohammadAG | nothing much Venemo_N900 (just noticed the message) | 21:28 |
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| alterego | You fixed the segfault? :P | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, can I practice that? | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, just point me at the file, wanna have a look and see if I can find it | 21:30 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: the segfault isn't a good example. | 21:30 |
| alterego | But I can tell you if you like, but you probably wont get it at all .. | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, just point me to the file :P | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | encouraging :P | 21:31 |
| alterego | plugins/bluetooth-server/BluetoothAcceptor.cpp | 21:31 |
| alterego | Seriously though, it's an odd one and I don't think you'll get it :P | 21:31 |
| alterego | It's in the destructor | 21:31 |
| crashanddie_ | link | 21:32 |
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| crashanddie_ | alterego: link? | 21:33 |
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| alterego | To what? | 21:33 |
| alterego | :) | 21:33 |
| crashanddie_ | alterego: that cpp file | 21:33 |
| alterego | The source isn't online .. | 21:33 |
| alterego | I can upload it if you want :) | 21:33 |
| crashanddie_ | pfff | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | this->d? | 21:33 |
| alterego | Nope | 21:34 |
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| crashanddie_ | just show me the destructor in question | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | just a sec | 21:34 |
| crashanddie_ | i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play | 21:34 |
| alterego | crashanddie_: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/BluetoothAcceptor.cpp | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | you nulled it? | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | it's here somewhere sdp_record_free(d->record); | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | d->record = NULL; | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | right? | 21:35 |
| alterego | Yes, that's exactly right. | 21:36 |
| alterego | I don't need to free it aparently. | 21:36 |
| alterego | sdp_record_free causes the segfault :) | 21:36 |
| javispedro | hey, it's cheating | 21:37 |
| alterego | So, remove that line fixes the problem. | 21:37 |
| jacekowski | and causes memleak | 21:37 |
| javispedro | the file you sent to crashanddie doesn't have sdp_record_Free | 21:37 |
| alterego | What is? | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | <alterego> Seriously though, it's an odd one and I don't think you'll get it :P <-- second thoughts? | 21:37 |
| alterego | javispedro: oh, crap, that's the fixed version .. | 21:37 |
| jacekowski | alterego: removing free | 21:37 |
| crashanddie_ | lol | 21:37 |
| crashanddie_ | me was like "damn, I'm shit at this" | 21:37 |
| alterego | jacekowski: I'm checking, but I think sdp_record_unregister does it. | 21:38 |
| jacekowski | let valgrind check it | 21:38 |
| javispedro | valgrind, arm, and qt? | 21:38 |
| alterego | Yeah, I should probably learn to valgrind .. | 21:38 |
| javispedro | hah! | 21:38 |
| crashanddie_ | jacekowski++: when in doubt -- valgrind | 21:38 |
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| crashanddie_ | javispedro: well, valgrind works on x86 as well, and so does Qt | 21:39 |
| alterego | Don't have to run it on the N900 jacekowski | 21:39 |
| javispedro | crashanddie_: touché. | 21:39 |
| javispedro | though.. | 21:39 |
| javispedro | being bt stuff.. | 21:39 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: you can test it on x86 | 21:39 |
| alterego | s/jacekowski/javispedro/ :) | 21:39 |
| alterego | But it does work on ARM as well :P | 21:39 |
| jacekowski | besides, there is arm version of valgrind | 21:39 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway, me goes back to hacking the foss media player | 21:39 |
| jacekowski | it's early beta | 21:39 |
| jacekowski | but it's there | 21:39 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: exactly (beta). it does weird things with qt. | 21:40 |
| javispedro | also, http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/bluez/lib/sdp.c#2982 | 21:40 |
| alterego | Yeah, see :) | 21:41 |
| alterego | No memory leak. | 21:41 |
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| alterego | Though I'm sure there are somewhere else. | 21:41 |
| alterego | So I should probably lrn2valgrind | 21:41 |
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| MohammadAG | so wait, do I have to delete something after no longer using it? | 21:43 |
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| korhojoa | poll: how many of you use irc while pooping? | 21:43 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: yes, unless someone else does it for you, like in that slightly annoying case :) | 21:43 |
| alterego | korhojoa: I do | 21:44 |
| lcuk | korhojoa, dont ask such private questions | 21:44 |
| * korhojoa is doing that right now. best use of time ever | 21:44 | |
| lcuk | ps, will someone pass me the loo roll. | 21:44 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: this is a way longer explanation. | 21:44 |
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| alterego | Heh | 21:44 |
| * alterego has run out of loo roll | 21:44 | |
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| MohammadAG | crap, I'm out too | 21:46 |
| alterego | Anymore bugs you can find? :) | 21:47 |
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| * MohammadAG looks at app again | 21:48 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, do you use two layouts for portrait and landscape mdoe? | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | mode* | 21:48 |
| alterego | No | 21:48 |
| alterego | One QBoxLayout and I change the layout mode | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 21:49 |
| * MohammadAG needs that for the mediaplayer then | 21:49 | |
| MohammadAG | right now I use two layouts and update both | 21:49 |
| lcuk | alterego, but you have 2 backgrounds | 21:49 |
| alterego | Yes | 21:49 |
| * MohammadAG was asking about widgets :P | 21:49 | |
| lcuk | and how would you do it in qml | 21:49 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, widgets have backgrounds too | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, that's Qt | 21:50 |
| alterego | lcuk: specifically, what? :) | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | alterego, landscape/portrait layout | 21:50 |
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| alterego | Good question, | 21:50 |
| lcuk | well its been a regular question | 21:51 |
| lcuk | and something I still havent heard a good answer for | 21:51 |
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| alterego | Something like what I do there and my layout there, is quite complicated to do in QML, not sure where I'd start. | 21:51 |
| alterego | I'll think about it and get back to you :D | 21:52 |
| lcuk | alterego, heh, not you specifically but if you have a reasonable suggestion it would be good to have it documented | 21:54 |
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| alterego | Sure | 21:55 |
| alterego | Well, I am pushing QML myself :) | 21:55 |
| alterego | It's very app specific though. | 21:56 |
| ioan | what's a good website for torrent search? | 21:56 |
| lcuk | alterego, yup and if you can translate that experience to consider how other apps would work it would be good :) | 21:56 |
| lcuk | ioan, google afaik | 21:56 |
| alterego | If you look at my app there, I've clearly created a two column layout in landscape, that when in portrait they get turned into a single column, | 21:56 |
| lcuk | though why the MPAA hasn't chased after them, IDK | 21:56 |
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| alterego | Sometimes by removing an unimportant item to make it fit properly. | 21:57 |
| ioan | lcuk :-) | 21:57 |
| alterego | So actually, I think I can knock something up quite easily, I'll do an example of sort of what I'm doing in my app in QML. | 21:57 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 22:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | so... i'm usin gmy n900 | 22:10 |
| timeless_mbp | s/n gm/ng m/ | 22:10 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: so... i'm using my n900 | 22:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | and i open conversations, click on a conversation with someone, and click on a message i sent | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i see: | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | "SMS -- sent" | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | Sent by me | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | 7:35pm | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | --- | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | <what I wrote> | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | [ Delete ] [ Copy ] [ Forward ] | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | guess what I *don't* see here? | 22:11 |
| alterego | delivery report? | 22:12 |
| timeless_mbp | no, it was delivered | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | elvis? | 22:12 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:12 |
| kerio | jesus! | 22:12 |
| alterego | Edit? | 22:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: in a conversation, how many parties do you usually have? | 22:13 |
| alterego | 2 | 22:13 |
| ioan | "undo" | 22:13 |
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| kerio | "Print" | 22:13 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: ok, so how many are visible in this view? | 22:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Undo would be a completely killer app | 22:13 |
| ioan | hehe | 22:13 |
| * javispedro curses | 22:13 | |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: the destination? | 22:13 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: ayup | 22:13 |
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| jaska | rollback reality! | 22:13 |
| javispedro | oh, why the hell thought DataViz that moving to Qt would be a good idea? | 22:13 |
| Pradeep | alterego you are truly the man please do hv a blog on n900 | 22:14 |
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| alterego | Pradeep: ? | 22:14 |
| alterego | Pradeep: oh, you got your networking working? :) | 22:14 |
| Pradeep | lol man thnx alot | 22:14 |
| Pradeep | yea man i did | 22:14 |
| alterego | Cool, :) | 22:14 |
| Pradeep | i even flashed my phone to the new update using the .bin file and also the flasher installed on my ubuntu | 22:15 |
| Venemo | hey guys :) | 22:15 |
| alterego | Cool, well I'm glad you got everything sorted :D | 22:15 |
| Pradeep | but truly did not see any difference | 22:16 |
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| ioan | there is a way to undo an email sent by mistake... say that you want to send a pic of you weewee to your wife... and ends up to you mother in law because they have the same name... and you realize that just after you clicked send. for this, there is a Undo (no jking) | 22:16 |
| lcuk | ioan, don;t worry, your MIL won;t be able to find the magnifier icon :P | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | hey Venemo | 22:17 |
| lcuk | err ' ' | 22:17 |
| Venemo | hi MohammadAG :) | 22:17 |
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| ioan | you send another 200 emails with the same subject but just random garbage in the body... and then you sent another email "hey, I have a virus, lots of emails went out, please don't open them" | 22:18 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG, Venemo: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/columbus/0.8.2-1/ | 22:19 |
| alterego | Can you both validate that its' working well enough for me to promote to testing? | 22:20 |
| alterego | Basically, I'll update -devel to latest version as I add more features. | 22:20 |
| alterego | Then when I'm happy with the state of that version I'll promote to testing, then once I get to v1.0 I'll push to extras. | 22:20 |
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| Venemo | alterego: will test | 22:20 |
| alterego | Thanks :) | 22:20 |
| Venemo | so you finally decided to make it FOSS? | 22:21 |
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| alterego | Venemo: it was always gonna be FOSS, we all knew it :P | 22:22 |
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| alterego | I should put a (donations welcome) clause in the tmo post :D | 22:23 |
| Venemo | alterego: no, I expected you to make it a €10 app in Ovi | 22:23 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:23 |
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| alterego | I was taking too long developing the features. | 22:24 |
| alterego | and it's still not "complete" in my eyes. And I just wanted to put it out there to see what people think of it. | 22:24 |
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| Venemo | alterego: why is the compass constantly rotating? | 22:25 |
| Venemo | my N900 is on Fake's stand, the compass should be still | 22:25 |
| alterego | Because you're not moving and I've not but in a limit | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | cause you're standing still :P | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: there is no hardware compass. | 22:25 |
| alterego | s/but/put/ | 22:25 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Because you're not moving and I've not put in a limit | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: Unless you add one | 22:25 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: there is a compass in alterego's app, that's what I'm talking about | 22:26 |
| lcuk | what happens if i press this button. | 22:26 |
| Venemo | which button lcuk? | 22:26 |
| * javispedro sighs | 22:26 | |
| alterego | Venemo: I know, but GPS, because it isn't 100% accurate, the error causes it to think you're moving slightly even when you're not. | 22:26 |
| javispedro | so today I just experienced the bug I discovered while browsing through qtmaemo source yesterday | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, javispedro sighs | 22:27 |
| javispedro | Just quickly tap Open then New on any DataViz app | 22:27 |
| alterego | And it's that error that is causing the GPS receiver to think you're changing direction, which causes my compass to report that error. | 22:27 |
| javispedro | result = unkillable open file dialog | 22:27 |
| Venemo | alterego: oh. understandable | 22:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: There is no actual hardware compass. | 22:27 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: I know | 22:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: Adding an actual hardware compass is quite possible, but I'm not aware of anyone that's fone it | 22:27 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: as I told you already, I'm talking about a compass-shaped GUI in alterego's app. | 22:27 |
| Venemo | alterego: the app is very nice | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | GPS compass is not ideal as it's based on changes in movement | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | And this bounces around even when stationary | 22:28 |
| Venemo | alterego: I didn't notice any obvious bugs, but will try it tomorrow when I'll have a trip | 22:28 |
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| Venemo | alterego: will report how it went :) | 22:28 |
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| * MohammadAG cries | 22:29 | |
| javispedro | so how do I kill the unkillable, unparented, non transient file open dialog now | 22:29 |
| alterego | Venemo: the track view screen, when the log gets very large noticeably lags. I've yet to optimize it. | 22:29 |
| alterego | So the track view is basically WIP at the moment ;) | 22:29 |
| Venemo | alterego: it won't get very large, I assure you | 22:30 |
| alterego | :) | 22:30 |
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| Venemo | alterego: I'm only afraid that constant GPS usage'll drain my battery | 22:30 |
| alterego | Well, let me know what you think then :) | 22:30 |
| alterego | Venemo: it's the UI that drains power :D | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: even when blanked? | 22:30 |
| alterego | And my app is quite good when blanked. | 22:30 |
| Venemo | okay alterego :) | 22:31 |
| Venemo | I'll report about that one too | 22:31 |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: no, I put in provisions for screenlock and task switching. | 22:31 |
| alterego | It disconnects UI when blanked/backgrounded. | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 22:32 |
| alterego | But logging and streaming still works. | 22:33 |
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| alterego | Obviously :) | 22:33 |
| alterego | I tested the GPS bluetooth support with an N810 :) | 22:34 |
| alterego | So my N900 was acting as a BT GPS for the N810 | 22:34 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Anyone know any application which can be used for NX sessions? | 22:35 |
| Ex-Opesa | NX is alternative to VNC. | 22:35 |
| Ex-Opesa | In short. I want to ask if NX Client is available for maemo or not. | 22:35 |
| javispedro | clients? many | 22:36 |
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| javispedro | qtnx is one iirc | 22:36 |
| Ex-Opesa | iirc? | 22:36 |
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| javispedro | ~iirc | 22:36 |
| infobot | [iirc] "if I recall correctly" | 22:36 |
| nox- | moin | 22:37 |
| Ex-Opesa | Great abbreviation which I never heard before. | 22:37 |
| javispedro | useful :) | 22:37 |
| RST38h | hell, what does "ircii" mean then??? | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | ircii is a client IIRC | 22:38 |
| Ex-Opesa | javispedro, yeah | 22:38 |
| luke-jr | Ex-Opesa: NX is an ugly hack compared to VNC | 22:38 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, do you like anything? | 22:38 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: VNC is sadly too simple. | 22:38 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: Tonal ☺ | 22:38 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: true enough | 22:38 |
| luke-jr | personally, I want Qt-over-X11 :P | 22:39 |
| Ex-Opesa | luke-jr, well..I can't use VNC as I don't got monitor on my server. | 22:39 |
| Ex-Opesa | luke-jr, So I gotta stay with NX | 22:39 |
| javispedro | uhoh. | 22:39 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, "Tonal (mythology), a concept appearing in the belief systems and traditions of Mesoamerican cultures, involving a spiritual link between a person and an animal" ? | 22:39 |
| luke-jr | Ex-Opesa: VNC doesn't use a monitor | 22:40 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: wtf? | 22:40 |
| lcuk | i searched | 22:40 |
| lcuk | and wikipedia came up with that | 22:40 |
| * javispedro hasn't yet killed the unkillable open file dialog | 22:40 | |
| luke-jr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_System | 22:40 |
| crashanddie_ | lol | 22:40 |
| crashanddie_ | FYI: Under OSX, DO NOT cancel the update process of Nokia Qt Creator | 22:41 |
| crashanddie_ | it will delete the whole _current_ install | 22:41 |
| lcuk | lol luke-jr | 22:41 |
| Ex-Opesa | luke-jr. Well afaik. It does require a X session. Which can only be created with NX/monitor connected | 22:41 |
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| luke-jr | Ex-Opesa: nonsense | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | Ex-Opesa: vncserver spawns an Xvnc server | 22:41 |
| lcuk | i was gonna say what was he smoking, but since the numbers mention multiples og bong its pretty clear | 22:41 |
| lcuk | s/og/of/ | 22:41 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: i was gonna say what was he smoking, but since the numbers mention multiples of bong its pretty clear | 22:41 |
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| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/glyphs/CSUR.html | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | Happy new year, btw | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/keyboard/dvorak-tonal.png | 22:42 |
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| TheOne | hello | 22:43 |
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| TheOne | does anybody know whether it is possible to get some local maps of london city for n900 ? | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | omg I just heard the news | 22:44 |
| lcuk | ? TheOne should be | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | Nokia has dropped MeeGo for Win7 Mobile⁇ | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | idiots | 22:44 |
| TheOne | lcuk: do you know where and how? | 22:44 |
| * javispedro ponders where luke-jr gets his news from | 22:45 | |
| crashanddie_ | luke-jr: rumors | 22:45 |
| crashanddie_ | luke-jr: and pretty misinformed, too | 22:45 |
| TheOne | or some app names that i can search for | 22:45 |
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| Venemo | luke-jr: do you believe that? | 22:45 |
| nox- | TheOne, cloudgps? | 22:45 |
| Pradeep | alterego, you there | 22:45 |
| Pradeep | alterego: wats new man on maemo | 22:46 |
| TheOne | hi nox- ;) | 22:46 |
| lcuk | TheOne, hm hold on I have some old instrucitons | 22:46 |
| nox- | moin TheOne :) | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: #mer | 22:46 |
| trumee | is anybody using freeswitch for voip? | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: no | 22:46 |
| lcuk | but just opening the map and letting it download should just work? | 22:46 |
| Pradeep | i had a serious argument on facebook today | 22:46 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: me neither | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | trumee: I am for work, unforunately. | 22:46 |
| Pradeep | concerning n8 and n900 | 22:46 |
| lcuk | TheOne, open maps, let it connect to data, see yourself on map? | 22:47 |
| crashanddie_ | Pradeep: you lost the game | 22:47 |
| trumee | luke-jr: Listen to this http://174.132.148.146/ivr.wav | 22:47 |
| crashanddie_ | for having an argument on facebook | 22:47 |
| TheOne | i want some local stuff that works without 3g connection | 22:47 |
| Pradeep | i wish java works on n900 | 22:47 |
| nox- | TheOne, also if that is a about the default mapping app see here: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c | 22:47 |
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| Venemo | Pradeep: what argument was that? | 22:47 |
| lcuk | TheOne, ahh | 22:47 |
| lcuk | you want the cache | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | trumee: why | 22:47 |
| Pradeep | it is better than n900 | 22:47 |
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| Venemo | Pradeep: depends on use cases and personal preference | 22:48 |
| trumee | luke-jr: because that is the response i get if i check voicemail | 22:48 |
| Pradeep | i noticed that windows users dont no how much n900 can do | 22:48 |
| Venemo | Pradeep: for me, I doubt Symbian's UI can match Maemo's | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | trumee: I don't use any FS voicemail stuff | 22:48 |
| Pradeep | seriously | 22:48 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i have another user over at #freeswitch with the same problem. | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | trumee: only for IVRs | 22:48 |
| Pradeep | yes it cant | 22:48 |
| TheOne | yes i dont want to pay expensive roaming fees | 22:48 |
| Pradeep | someone mention android | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | Android is better than Maemo | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | happy? | 22:49 |
| Pradeep | but did not mention much on that | 22:49 |
| Venemo | android is a pile of crap | 22:49 |
| trumee | luke-jr: what do you use for sip calls, * ? | 22:49 |
| Ex-Opesa | Pradeep, are you Pradeep Saha? | 22:49 |
| nox- | TheOne, see my link :) | 22:49 |
| Pradeep | nope am not | 22:49 |
| Ex-Opesa | Never mind then. | 22:49 |
| lcuk | nox-, ta, was just hunting for that link | 22:49 |
| nox- | :) | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | trumee: for humans, yes | 22:50 |
| Pradeep | luke-jr: why did you say android is better than maemo | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | Pradeep: it's slightly more open | 22:50 |
| trumee | luke-jr: hmm. ok. | 22:50 |
| Pradeep | in wat way | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | Pradeep: MeeGo is better than Android, note | 22:50 |
| Pradeep | never used though heard it is still buggy | 22:51 |
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| TheOne | nox-: sounds good - do you know if i can do routing without 3g connection and local map cache? | 22:52 |
| Pradeep | i mean the meego | 22:52 |
| nox- | TheOne, i havent tried | 22:52 |
| TheOne | there is mention that the search need 3g | 22:52 |
| TheOne | but nothing about the routing | 22:53 |
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| nox- | well i guess searching includes routing... | 22:53 |
| nox- | maybe you can get an uk prepaid sim? | 22:54 |
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| Pradeep | Th | 22:55 |
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| Pradeep | how do you auto complete a user name on xchat using n900 | 22:56 |
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| Pradeep | cos it is so diffcult having to type all d way | 22:56 |
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| nox- | ctrl-i ? | 22:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Pradeep: I rebound it to ctrl-rightarrow | 22:58 |
| weeeedar | i too miss a tab-button, how to auto complete in the terminal? :/ | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It's ctrl-space I think | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | normally | 22:58 |
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| nox- | ah | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever is mapped to nick-completion in key-shortcuts settings | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Pradeep: I for example have it on shift-space. While up and down do scroll here | 23:01 |
| Ex-Opesa | In Application Manager of maemo I can NOT find qtnx while using apt-get I can install it. Is it normal? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rather convenient | 23:02 |
| Ex-Opesa | extras-testing doesn't appear in application manager? | 23:02 |
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| Pradeep | hmmm | 23:02 |
| javispedro | Ex-Opesa: wrong packaging seemingly | 23:03 |
| Pradeep | DocScrutinizer51, urs worked | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's about category of an app if it appears in HAM | 23:03 |
| Ex-Opesa | Brb. | 23:04 |
| Pradeep | anyone using facebook chat here pls how did u do it | 23:06 |
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| luke-jr | Pradeep: add it as an account | 23:07 |
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| Pradeep | hmmm tried it some many time | 23:12 |
| Pradeep | some told me abt facebrick but it is not in my repo | 23:12 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Back. | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | Pradeep: PR1.2+ supports it out of the box | 23:14 |
| Ex-Opesa | DocScrutinizer51 definitely not in application manager. I use "All". | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ex-Opesa: there's a 'user' tag for pkgs and only those are shown | 23:15 |
| Ex-Opesa | DocScrutinizer51 Can you please elaborate? | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask somebody more familiar with packaging. I'm just telling what I heard | 23:17 |
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| Ex-Opesa | DocScrutinizer51 Can you please elaborate | 23:17 |
| Ex-Opesa | DocScrutinizer51 Okay thank you. | 23:18 |
| Ex-Opesa | Nevermind the 1st sentence. It was a mistake. ^^ | 23:18 |
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| comawhite | ovi maps is always telling me "constantly saying "Looking for your GPS position"" | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | comawhite: ovi maps tries only 60sec to get a fix, then GPS is powered down I heard. Allegedly placing ovi maps to background and back restarts that | 23:31 |
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| nox- | hm maybe you could also run location test in parallel to keep gps up? | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | location test app is probably best to get GPS to work | 23:32 |
| nox- | :) | 23:32 |
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| Pradeep | maemo can do all there i wonder whst meego would be like | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meego on N900 will never reach maturity of maemo | 23:34 |
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| comawhite | remember I have no SIM card | 23:34 |
| comawhite | and no service provider except lan | 23:34 |
| nox- | yeah then gps may take quite long to get a first fix | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's your problem with GPS then | 23:34 |
| Ex-Opesa | Any one tried qtnx here? | 23:34 |
| comawhite | dockane, other n900 users say i only need sim for agps | 23:35 |
| comawhite | oops DocScrutinizer | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, but without A the GPS can take ages for first fix | 23:36 |
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| Pradeep | DocScrutinizer51, why did you say so abt meego and n900 | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you definitely need location test app | 23:36 |
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| comawhite | DocScrutinizer, how i get it? | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | install with HAM. Probably from maemo-devel | 23:38 |
| comawhite | blah haze is being a bitch | 23:38 |
| comawhite | im bout to flash my phone because the seller didn't do it | 23:39 |
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| weeeedar | i would expect meego to become as mature on n900 as it will be on nokias stock meego devices | 23:40 |
| Ex-Opesa | Are there any working cleint of NX in maemo?.. | 23:40 |
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| Pradeep | comawhite, did mine yesterday i mean flashed it with flasher 3.5 and global .bin file | 23:40 |
| comawhite | i have to go look on the site on how to flash and what not | 23:41 |
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| comawhite | gotta call my bro and see if he will send me the money to buy phone service | 23:41 |
| luke-jr | weeeedar: there is no reason to expect that | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | weeeedar: how that? Nokia wonmt develop closed drivers for N900 meego, but they will for genuine meego devices | 23:42 |
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| Pradeep | DocScrutinizer51, tot meego was also open source | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check again. some parts never will be open | 23:44 |
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| Pradeep | what about maemo? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | e.g. battery management | 23:45 |
| Pradeep | are you saying meego is nokia's OS | 23:45 |
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| Pradeep | DocScrutinizer51, huh? | 23:46 |
| weeeedar | is there no way to use maemos drivers for meego? | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm saying on maemo we got a somewhat working dialer and batterycharging and whatnot. Samew ill be on genuine meego devices. but Nokia already announced they won't do some parts OSS | 23:48 |
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| Venemo | weeeedar: if you ask on #meego you'll notice that the drivers for most of the components are working | 23:51 |
| Venemo | weeeedar: some of them are not OSS. one of this is the battery manager software and the graphics chip. the latter is not Nokia's so it's not in their power to decide | 23:51 |
| Pradeep | Venemo, on n900 u mean? | 23:52 |
| weeeedar | hm | 23:52 |
| Venemo | Pradeep: yes. | 23:52 |
| Venemo | you can ask Stskeeps about it on #meego if you wanna know the exact state of this | 23:52 |
| luke-jr | I thought MeeGo had a new SGX 3D driver? | 23:53 |
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| weeeedar | i somewhere read meego is being developed on n900, thought that would mean we will at leats get the drivers :/ | 23:53 |
| luke-jr | and BME is effectively replaced | 23:53 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: it has. but it is closed source | 23:53 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: ImgTec isn't going to change that any time soon | 23:54 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: yeah. | 23:54 |
| luke-jr | and the kernel part (at least for Maemo) is open | 23:54 |
| Venemo | well about MeeGo facts, ask #meego | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | also some of the foss drivers are "from upstream" and way worse than those used in maemo | 23:54 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: interesting | 23:54 |
| luke-jr | weeeedar: also note that N900's bootloader is locked, nobody knows how to root/unlock it, and it onyl allows 1 kernel | 23:55 |
| luke-jr | and Maemo and MeeGo cannot use the same kernels | 23:55 |
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| luke-jr | so running both is basically impossible without hacks | 23:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | kexec | 23:56 |
| Pradeep | hmmmm | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: like I said, without hacks | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: and IIRC kexec doesn't quite work right | 23:56 |
| Pradeep | so meego is so closed source | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:56 |
| Pradeep | then | 23:56 |
| wmarone | no, it's not. | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | Pradeep: yes | 23:56 |
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| luke-jr | Pradeep: at least, MeeGo for N900 | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | and MeeGo for any other handheld | 23:56 |
| Pradeep | but built on linux | 23:56 |
| Pradeep | i it funny | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | since there is no such thing as a handheld with free 3D drivers | 23:57 |
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| luke-jr | Pradeep: pretty sure 2D works fine ☺ | 23:57 |
| piggz_ | that was weird, my mail stopped working on the n900, and when i debugged it, it said my /home filesystem was readonly. a reboot has sorted it, probably by running a fsck, but it has ruined my uptime! | 23:57 |
| Venemo | Pradeep: MeeGo is open. _some_ drivers are closed. | 23:57 |
| Pradeep | lol | 23:58 |
| Venemo | Pradeep: also note that MeeGo is more open than Maemo | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: for MeeGo to be open, 100% of its components must be open | 23:58 |
| Venemo | piggz_: lol | 23:58 |
| weeeedar | i already stumbled across that 3d issue today, will mplayer on n900 ever be able to use the gpu? :/ | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | weeeedar: that's not a 3D issue | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | mplayer doesn't use 3D | 23:58 |
| wmarone | luke-jr: and last I checked they are. The closed bits are not part of MeeGo. | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | that's a DSP issue | 23:58 |
| weeeedar | oh | 23:58 |
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