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| NIN101 | is the standard SMS application open source? | 00:30 |
| Arkenoi | btw is it possible to run applications like conversations on remote X server, windowed? | 00:30 |
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| NIN101 | Is this channel, as maemo.org, also owned by nokia? | 01:02 |
| jhb|mobile | i don't think one can own a freenode channel | 01:03 |
| NIN101 | I mean: is nokia the founder of this channel? I mean +q etc. | 01:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | jhb: yes, you can | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | +q is quiet on this server | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | it's running ircd-seven, not UnrealIRCd | 01:07 |
| NIN101 | haha, ok. | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade "owns" the channel | 01:08 |
| jhb | SpeedEvil: I know what you mean, but you can't own as in 'sell my property', afaik | 01:09 |
| pupnik_ | Arkenoi: x is designed to be networkable, but compositors break that sometimes | 01:09 |
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| Arkenoi | pupnik_, what is the command line to run conversations? | 01:17 |
| pupnik_ | i don't even know what ur talkinbout | 01:20 |
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| HtheB | o/ | 01:21 |
| HtheB | anyone alive? :D | 01:23 |
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| NIN101 | Is there any public svn/git whatever of the standard kernel out there? | 01:29 |
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| HtheB | stock? | 01:29 |
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| MohammadAG | NIN101, it's in the repos, no svn/git | 01:39 |
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| MohammadAG | Arkenoi, dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:"$appname" | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | for conversations, appname would be rtcom-messaging-ui | 01:40 |
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| NIN101 | Yeah i know it is in the repo. But, as there is no public version control stuff, I can assume that it is developed behind the scenes? Not that this is a big problem, I am just curious. | 01:42 |
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| Arkenoi | MohammadAG, it won't inherit DISPLAY this way | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | don't know of any other way, rtcom-messaging-ui drools and the .launch file segfaults | 01:43 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: can you help me? | 01:43 |
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| MohammadAG | with? | 01:44 |
| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=911810 | 01:44 |
| HtheB | with that | 01:44 |
| HtheB | :( | 01:44 |
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| pupnik_ | before i had a computer, this was my favorite piece of gear in the whole world http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8154/kd85aa6.jpg | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB, only advice I could give is stop bluetoothd; start bluetoothd; that solves all BT problems I encounter | 01:46 |
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| HtheB | stop: job not changed : bluetoothd | 01:47 |
| wmarone | are you root? | 01:47 |
| HtheB | yup | 01:47 |
| HtheB | when I do start again | 01:48 |
| HtheB | it will show the output | 01:48 |
| HtheB | but at the end: | 01:48 |
| HtheB | start: bluetoothd respawning too fast, stopped | 01:48 |
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| MohammadAG | then wait | 01:51 |
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| HtheB | MohammadAG: I wait for over a week now :D | 01:57 |
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| crashanddie_ | HtheB: that usually means it crashes | 01:58 |
| HtheB | there should be a way to fix it? ... | 01:58 |
| HtheB | I deleted a device from the paired list | 01:58 |
| HtheB | and... then bluetooth died :( | 01:59 |
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| HtheB | does anyone know if an European N900 work in the USA? | 02:02 |
| HtheB | (eg Country: Chile) | 02:02 |
| NIN101 | Is sms-manager also closed source? I can't find it anywhere. | 02:02 |
| NIN101 | For example, isn't here http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/s/ but also not listed there http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Why_the_closed_packages | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | all N900s are the same | 02:04 |
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| MohammadAG | NIN101, yes, it's closed | 02:04 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: Thanks :) | 02:05 |
| NIN101 | thx | 02:05 |
| hardaker | I hate it when package builds "fail" but without errors. | 02:06 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: is there any way to reset the bluetooth "profiles" | 02:07 |
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| HtheB | I can still see from sdptools the bluetooth profiles | 02:07 |
| HtheB | but... on the "default" bluetooth gui, there is NOTHING | 02:07 |
| HtheB | and no name... | 02:07 |
| HtheB | I can't even assign a name at all :D | 02:07 |
| HtheB | when I type a name, and turn BT on, and touch on Done... it doesn't do anything at all | 02:08 |
| HtheB | :D | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | nice error handling | 02:08 |
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| pupnik | palm / webos is quite nice | 02:25 |
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| NIN101 | Am I understanding this correct? sms-manager isn't really needed for SMS, it is done with Telepathy? | 02:49 |
| andre__ | what is sms-manager? | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | NIN101, we're planning a rewrite after we're done with the mediaplayer | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, conversations - I assume | 02:50 |
| andre__ | ah, default packages I've never heard of... | 02:50 |
| NIN101 | a rewrite of what MohammadAG ? | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | it's actually rtcom-messaging-ui | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | the conversations app | 02:50 |
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| andre__ | uh | 02:51 |
| NIN101 | oh ok, sounds nice. | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG | and yes, it's telepathy | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG | at least for IMs | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG | interesting | 02:52 |
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| MohammadAG | Qt Multimedia Kit on the N900 has volume() and volumeChanged() | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | yay | 02:52 |
| NIN101 | Voicecalls, how are they done? I assume also telepathy? | 02:54 |
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| NIN101 | I just hope that meego will be fully open source | 03:02 |
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| blizzow | My n900 no longer rings. I hear the chime for a text message, but the ring tone no longer works. This kind of sucks, I'm missing calls all the time now. | 03:03 |
| blizzow | Does anyone know what might be going on? | 03:03 |
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| andre__ | blizzow: what's Settings > Profiles > Ringing Tone saying? There's a file chosen, and the volume slider is to the right? | 03:05 |
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| blizzow | Ringing tone is set to "Nokia Tone" and 3/4 to the right. The SMS alert right below is set to the same volume with the tone "Message 1" | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | try playing the nokia tone | 03:07 |
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| NIN101 | well, gn8 | 03:09 |
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| pupnik | n8 | 03:09 |
| blizzow | Definitely plays when I select a different tone and then reselect the Nokia Tone. | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blizzow: you installed contact-ringtones? | 03:34 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hmm, what does that do? | 03:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aiui it replaces the ringtone.wav cache in /home/user/.local/share/sounds | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course some other things | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | barisione explained it on his blog | 03:39 |
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| jacekowski | it would be nice if you would provide a link | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG | another reason the phone app should open sourced | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG | or rewritten | 03:41 |
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| jacekowski | i'll take a look at how big is it | 03:47 |
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| jacekowski | but that's tomorrow | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG | not very big | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a frontend | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG | for a database and telepathy | 03:47 |
| jacekowski | so, if i would give you all the details, can you make mohaphone? | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, and in one year, we'll have Maemoh 5 | 03:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (it would be nice...) sorry but I provided all I have, everything beyond I'd have to dig up just same way you would have to | 04:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually not, I found a bookmark: http://blog.barisione.org/ | 04:11 |
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| saLOUt | i just logged my recent bought N900 with security lock. 12345 doesn't work. What can I do? | 04:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | saLOUt: that's actually a problem now | 04:22 |
| saLOUt | DocScrutinizer: so what can I do? | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | got ssh? | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably you could boot to a rescue system, then read out the hash in CAL and decrypt that with john | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | moment, I get you a link to details | 04:24 |
| saLOUt | MohammadAG_: i didn't install ssh. :/ | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh, good point there DocScrutinizer | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's under the lock-code | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | you just need to string /dev/mtd1 | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | copy the line under lock-code | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | and johntheripper it | 04:24 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG_: | 04:25 |
| HtheB | yay! | 04:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | saLOUt: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 | 04:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | saLOUt: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 04:26 |
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| Termana | good morning | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | mohaphone is a demanding task. It's a bit more than 'just a frontend to telepathy' | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | see for example handling of service codes | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | consider requirements for *unconditial* real-time reaction | 04:31 |
| Robot101 | yeah, stuff is mlock()'d in that UI | 04:31 |
| saLOUt | Don't know why, but after removing the battery i got only asked for my pin and now it seems to work | 04:32 |
| Robot101 | emergency calls are fun too | 04:32 |
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| saLOUt | will install ssh first now | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | saLOUt: so go to settings and set that friggin lock code to 12345 | 04:32 |
| saLOUt | DocScrutinizer: how do i set the code without knowing the right one? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't know if it asks for old code | 04:33 |
| saLOUt | DocScrutinizer: it wants the old code | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: yeah | 04:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dialer is absolutely non-trivial if you're planning for anything better than a mere PoC | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why it is a extraordinarily mean thing it's not FOSS on maemo | 04:35 |
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| saLOUt | DocScrutinizer: when i want to ssh into the device, how do i know the root password? | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to set it | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you installed ssh server and client maemo package, it asked you for a root password to set | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 04:40 |
| saLOUt | DocScrutinizer: is there a simpler way to get root (using xterm on the device)? | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | install package rootsh | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | xterm | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | $ root | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or $ sudo gainroot | 04:42 |
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| MohammadAG_ | or enable R&D mode | 04:44 |
| pupnik | y'all doin good? | 04:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | no | 04:45 |
| pupnik | have some ceylon tea | 04:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | i'm hungry | 04:45 |
| pupnik | ahh :/ | 04:45 |
| pupnik | try red beans, basmatic rice with lightly fried nameko mushroom, garlic and a touch of cumin and rosemary | 04:46 |
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| MohammadAG_ | heh | 04:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | wow | 04:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | strings: /dev/mtd1: Permission denied | 04:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, the mediaplayer wasn't exactly trivial | 04:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | even if it's just a UI | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): | 04:48 |
| saLOUt | DocScrutinizer: got it. ;) it was a phone number | 04:48 |
| saLOUt | I am gonna keep that number for later - (i bought it on amazon warehouse) | 04:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | heh | 04:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's kinda easier to get the lock code on maemo than on symbian | 04:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, it's kinda easier to get the tools to do it | 04:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | it can be done with the phone on | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | hmm | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | come to think of it | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | you can have a symbian phone on | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | you just need NSS and you need to dump the PM (Permanent Memory) | 04:51 |
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| HtheB | im off | 04:56 |
| HtheB | nite all | 04:57 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG_: i made a tool to reset that code | 05:27 |
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| MohammadAG_ | jacekowski, you and qwerty12 | 05:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | not sure if they're related/use similar methods | 05:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | but they both write garbage to cal right? | 05:38 |
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| spiritd | is there some user friendly keymap editor? | 05:39 |
| spiritd | or generator | 05:39 |
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| beford | broke his n8x0? :p | 06:02 |
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| pupnik | mine got stolen | 06:16 |
| pupnik | too bad i didn't put dyndns on it | 06:16 |
| pupnik | ... 3AM baseball bat surprise party | 06:17 |
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| pupnik | activate microphone, track gps | 06:20 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: :/ | 06:20 |
| pupnik | find out when they're alone, away from their house, at night | 06:20 |
| pupnik | :) | 06:20 |
| FauxFaux | You mean, you didn't have the lock code enabled? | 06:20 |
| FauxFaux | More fool to you. ¬_¬ | 06:20 |
| pupnik | what lock code | 06:20 |
| FauxFaux | The security code. | 06:21 |
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| pupnik | oh for screen-blanking? | 06:21 |
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| luke-jr | beford: no, ragequit | 06:25 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 06:40 |
| MohammadAG | how do I rename a file in git? | 06:40 |
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| wmarone | just move it and add the new name | 06:41 |
| wmarone | I think there's "git mv" that does a couple extra steps | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | no, git mv is just an alias for mv | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | maybe adds the files to staging | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | basically, you *can't* rename a file in git | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | the client just tries to do smart things | 06:42 |
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| MohammadAG | couldn't bother | 06:50 |
| MohammadAG | just removed and added it | 06:50 |
| MohammadAG | it was only 3 lines | 06:50 |
| SpeedEvil | FBreader | 06:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I rotate the page 180 degrees, then tap on the screen to change pages | 06:50 |
| SpeedEvil | the icon to popup the menu pops up in the top/left | 06:51 |
| SpeedEvil | is there a way to fix this somehow in an option? | 06:51 |
| pupnik | here's a pretty cool filesharing client - needs devs http://lopster.sourceforge.net/ | 06:55 |
| * SpeedEvil uses mldonkey | 06:56 | |
| SpeedEvil | For all his downloading linux iso needs. | 06:56 |
| * MohammadAG uses axel | 06:57 | |
| MohammadAG | does what I want | 06:57 |
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| pupnik | MohammadAG: where's that? hard to google | 07:00 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, in the repos | 07:01 |
| MohammadAG | it's a CLI downloader | 07:01 |
| MohammadAG | axel - light download accelerator - console version | 07:01 |
| pupnik | that's a completely differen tthing | 07:02 |
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| Gh0sty | is there a way to not end up in #overflow all the time | 07:07 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - mldonkey is a bittorrent/edonkey client | 07:07 |
| Gh0sty | our belgian isps are so stupid that they disconnect you each day | 07:07 |
| Gh0sty | because they do not want to give you fixed ip so they disconnect you every day to force you to release the current ip ... | 07:08 |
| budfive | w carrageenan | 07:08 |
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| Gh0sty | like the country, dislike the stupid monopoly on the internet markets ... | 07:08 |
| Arkenoi | Gh0sty, and what's wrong from their viepoint | 07:08 |
| Arkenoi | that you have the same ip for a week or month? | 07:08 |
| Gh0sty | dont know | 07:08 |
| Arkenoi | plain stupid | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | they are just plain stupid | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | yes | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | ignorance is bliss or whats the expression? :p | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | when they handed out the brains | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | somewhere they fell short on those guys | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | but anyway this causes me to end up in ##overflow every day after my disconnect... | 07:10 |
| Gh0sty | is there a way to prevent that? | 07:10 |
| Gh0sty | normally I am registered on freenode afaik :/ | 07:10 |
| nightwalk | put your password into your client's server password field | 07:12 |
| nightwalk | or use sasl-based auth instead | 07:13 |
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| ieatlint | ooooh, check out this awesome mobile phone http://www.johnsphones.com/store/johns-phone-white/item24 | 07:17 |
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| Gh0sty | lol @ design | 07:18 |
| Gh0sty | not my thing | 07:18 |
| ieatlint | it's quad band! | 07:18 |
| ieatlint | and a fully functional address book | 07:18 |
| Gh0sty | hehe :P | 07:18 |
| Gh0sty | actually | 07:19 |
| Gh0sty | should buy it for my mother | 07:19 |
| Gh0sty | not to tech savvy and such | 07:19 |
| Gh0sty | still running around with a nokia 3310 ... | 07:20 |
| Gh0sty | but how do you text somebody with that phone ... | 07:20 |
| Gh0sty | the concept looks nice but ... thats a missing feature :P | 07:20 |
| ieatlint | you don't | 07:20 |
| budfive | seems a bit pricy for what it is | 07:20 |
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| Gh0sty | yes that too :) | 07:20 |
| Gh0sty | but nevertheless would make for a "pretty" gift :P | 07:21 |
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| Gh0sty | (despite the fact that i'm not a design freak and such, otherwise I would not own an n900) | 07:21 |
| ieatlint | it's lack of sms support is a stated feature | 07:21 |
| Gh0sty | hehe :P | 07:21 |
| Gh0sty | too bad ... | 07:21 |
| Gh0sty | otherwise I'd buy it | 07:21 |
| Gh0sty | the standby of 3 weeks is nice ^^ | 07:21 |
| Gh0sty | one of the main drawbacks of my mothers 3310 | 07:22 |
| Gh0sty | she still needs to charge it once a week or something | 07:22 |
| Gh0sty | already replaced batteries a couple of times on that on ... | 07:22 |
| Gh0sty | wondering actually ... those 3310s still use old style batteries (dont even think its li batts yet) | 07:23 |
| Gh0sty | if you could not buy lipo or other batteries nowadays | 07:23 |
| Gh0sty | hmm no ... stupid me ... the charging circuit in the cellphone would probably blow up such a battery cause the charging should be different | 07:24 |
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| Gh0sty | btw subtle tip: lego still makes for fun times to design a cellphone holder for your desk | 07:25 |
| Gh0sty | (use this already for years ... easy adaptable to every new phone you buy) | 07:25 |
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| Gh0sty | lets get out of bed and off to work, seeya later guys | 07:26 |
| Gh0sty | (6h30 here local timezone - before you start looking funny) | 07:27 |
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| pupnik | 'gish' looks like a very creative game candidate for porting | 07:28 |
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| pupnik | "We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of life, when all that we need | 09:11 |
| pupnik | to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about." -Einstein | 09:11 |
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| peb_ | goood moorning folks | 09:40 |
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| Appiah | kulve: hello , you there? | 10:14 |
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| kulve | Appiah: yes, I'm here :) | 10:15 |
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| Appiah | I see you are the maintainer for gstreamer-flac , just wanted to ask if there's any plans or such for it to reach the main repo? | 10:16 |
| kulve | which main repo..? | 10:16 |
| Appiah | err | 10:16 |
| Appiah | I mean the devel version ^^ | 10:16 |
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| Appiah | the latest patch | 10:16 |
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| kulve | I've been a bit lazy with the ogg-support lately. I should update all the components and switch to Felipe's gst-av for better performance.. | 10:18 |
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| kulve | looks like Nikolay Bryskin has applied the patch and pushed the new version to extras-devel | 10:20 |
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| Appiah | gst-av? is that a replacement? | 10:21 |
| kulve | it uses ffmpeg for vorbis decoding and is much faster that the libvorbis | 10:21 |
| Appiah | I see... | 10:22 |
| Appiah | Am i wrong or is this what meego is using? | 10:22 |
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| kulve | I think meego uses libvorbis as ffmpeg is a bit tricky license wise | 10:30 |
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| kulve | at least the default netbook image doesn't seem to contain ffmpeg, only libvorbis | 10:32 |
| defragger | is there a way to tell maemo that i dont want to add unauthorized icq contacts to my contact list? | 10:33 |
| defragger | i am using jabber with icq transport and after the first connect i received all already rejected unauthorized spam russians :D | 10:34 |
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| alterego | People still use ICQ? | 10:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 10:46 |
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| defragger | i am using jabber but with icq transport for the rest of my contacts | 10:47 |
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| ieatlint | icq support in maemo's telepathy interface is done through libpurple.. you'd need to look at the plugin implementation, but as the telepathy interface itself doesn't have block support, you'd probably need to do something janky in order to change anything | 10:49 |
| ieatlint | alternative: use pidgin | 10:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also purple | 10:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 10:50 |
| ieatlint | purple? | 10:50 |
| ceda | Hi. Don't know where to report (or vote) that the SSL certificate for garage has expired. | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | pidgin also using libpurple | 10:50 |
| ceda | git won't let me pull/push | 10:50 |
| ieatlint | ah, yes, but pidgin provides an interface for blocking people and block lists | 10:50 |
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| ieatlint | ceda: what part of garage? https://garage.maemo.org says cert is valid, with an expiration date of april 23 2011 | 10:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ceda: ping X-Fade | 10:51 |
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| ieatlint | also, doesn't the git interface for garage run over ssh, not ssl? | 10:53 |
| ieatlint | ah, i see, vcs.maemo.org's cert expired on dec 29.. | 10:55 |
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| ceda | ieatlint: https with DAV | 10:55 |
| ceda | ieatlint: exactly | 10:55 |
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| noobmonk3y | morning alls :) | 10:58 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk :> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67891 | 10:58 |
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| lcuk | thanks noobmonk3y | 10:59 |
| noobmonk3y | :) np :) | 10:59 |
| ceda | DocScrutinizer: I've pinged him/her | 11:00 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:02 |
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| retro|cz | Hello. Mobile HotSpot is not developed now ? | 11:06 |
| retro|cz | I read I need advanced kernel for this application. | 11:06 |
| retro|cz | But there is no advanced kernel for my system. | 11:06 |
| retro|cz | Latest update on N900. | 11:06 |
| retro|cz | Is there any solution to do tethering ? | 11:07 |
| retro|cz | With my N900. | 11:07 |
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| ceda | Jaffa: how do you push to git/garage? | 11:08 |
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| ceda | or rather, what does your git remote URL look like, what protocol? (I'm having issues with https) | 11:09 |
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| ieatlint | for me, ssh://drop.maemo.org/git/<project name> | 11:11 |
| ieatlint | based on pubkey auth | 11:11 |
| Appiah | kulve: do you think the switch to gst-av will be hard? | 11:13 |
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| kulve | Not sure what you mean. I've planned to leave the existing libvorbis and the gst plugin there and just add the gst-av with higher priority. Then e.g. playbin2 should use gst-av but applications still using gst/libvorbis directly would work just fine | 11:14 |
| * lcuk glass always half full | 11:15 | |
| ieatlint | pessimism is better | 11:16 |
| ieatlint | it means i won't have trouble with gambling addiction (just alcohol!) | 11:16 |
| drj_cro | retro|cz: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 11:17 |
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| retro|cz | drj_cro, thank you | 11:17 |
| retro|cz | drj_cro, but I need it vie WiFi | 11:18 |
| retro|cz | drj_cro, send my 3G connection to area vie WIFI | 11:18 |
| retro|cz | drj_cro, Mobile HotSpot application can do that | 11:18 |
| retro|cz | drj_cro, but isn't working :( | 11:18 |
| Appiah | it's working if you use the correct kernel | 11:19 |
| Appiah | http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:19 |
| crashanddie | retro|cz, "via" or "to", not "vie" | 11:20 |
| retro|cz | crashanddie, I want to send my 3G connection to other mobile that can connect to wifi. | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | perfect | 11:20 |
| retro|cz | crashanddie, make a wifi AP and share my 3G connection | 11:20 |
| retro|cz | crashanddie, you have any idea ? | 11:21 |
| Appiah | Mobile HotSpot | 11:21 |
| retro|cz | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/mobilehotspot/ | 11:21 |
| retro|cz | yes | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrsh6TBZtk0&feature=related | 11:21 |
| retro|cz | Doesn't work :( | 11:21 |
| Appiah | did you switch kernel retro|cz ? | 11:21 |
| retro|cz | Appiah, no. | 11:22 |
| retro|cz | Appiah, when I try. | 11:22 |
| Appiah | WARNING: This software requires custom kernel! | 11:22 |
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| Appiah | "Install the Kernel For Power Users via application manager and verify it works." | 11:22 |
| retro|cz | Appiah, it told me some dependencies are not met. | 11:22 |
| retro|cz | Appiah, I know. | 11:23 |
| Appiah | then you never tried it | 11:23 |
| retro|cz | Appiah, I wrote already. | 11:23 |
| Appiah | ... | 11:23 |
| retro|cz | Appiah, update is writing me error | 11:24 |
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| retro|cz | Appiah, conflict in kernel-modules-maemo, kernel-maemo (both are listed twice) | 11:25 |
| Appiah | well my money is on fixing the conflict then use mobile hotspot | 11:25 |
| Appiah | are you running PR1.2 or 1.3? | 11:26 |
| retro|cz | Appiah, and how I can fix this conflict ? | 11:26 |
| drj_cro | retro|cz: you need this for 1 or more computers via wifi ? | 11:26 |
| retro|cz | Don't know. | 11:26 |
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| retro|cz | drj_cro, yes | 11:26 |
| retro|cz | In settings is version - 20.2010.36.2 | 11:26 |
| retro|cz | Maemo 5, N900 | 11:27 |
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| Appiah | 20.2010.36-2. = PR1.3 | 11:30 |
| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power retro|cz there you go | 11:31 |
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| retro|cz | Appiah, I'm doing that all time. | 11:33 |
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| retro|cz | Appiah, still conflicts. | 11:33 |
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| Appiah | did you read the whole wiki page? | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | tekojo: any chances we'll ever see a fix for bug #8347 ? | 11:35 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available | 11:35 |
| retro|cz | Appiah, yes. Now it is installing. | 11:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tekojo: CB becoming a frequently used function for Disaster Warning and management, e.g. for tsunami warnings and esp recently in Japan for earthquake warnings | 11:39 |
| retro|cz | Appiah, thank you. Working now. | 11:42 |
| retro|cz | Appiah, and sorry for disturbing. All I need was on that page. | 11:42 |
| tekojo | DocScrutinizer: no idea, not really my area of expertise :) | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | tekojo: I hoped you know whom to ask :-) | 11:45 |
| tekojo | DocScrutinizer: I'll put it on the todo list to find someone, but don't expect too much, I'm not sure who to start with | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm afaraid it's a cellmo fw issue | 11:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so probably cellmo guys are the ones to ask first | 11:48 |
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| Dassu | http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/news/wine-running-on-a-nokia-n900.html Has somebody tried to run spotify on this? | 12:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF? wine on N900? what's the windows binaries supposed to be compatible with this? or is this going to use bochs to run a x86 linux to run wine to run... *cough* | 12:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *cough* s/bochs/qemu/ *cough* | 12:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | might still be faster than a SICOMP 386-16 | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | which would be a requirement as that one wasn't usable with win3.11 iirc | 12:19 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders idly if qemu+x86linux+wine is faster than qemu+windows-generic | 12:22 | |
| retro|cz | Do you know any good article how to setup toolchain for Maemo (arm) on 64bit Linux system ? | 12:22 |
| retro|cz | SDK isn't wokring under 64 bit linux (said installator) | 12:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | install IA32 libs? | 12:24 |
| retro|cz | DocScrutinizer, and use official SDK ? | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | is there a non-official one? | 12:25 |
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| retro|cz | DocScrutinizer, no, but you can crosscompile to arm. | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and then flash to N900 using flasher-3.5. Nah wait, needs IA32 libs | 12:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | retro|cz: sorry, I got no clue - I never had any 64bit system yet. No need for that | 12:28 |
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| retro|cz | DocScrutinizer, np | 12:28 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I can count 2147483648 reasons to need 64bit. | 12:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I seem to have that many reasons why I don't need more than 32bit | 12:33 |
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| ieatlint | simple reason for 64bit: ram | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | my max RAM on any box til today was 2GB, and I can't see I'd need more in the near future | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | except when I might want to calculate rainbow tables :-D | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | Mem: 32446M total | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | Then you need it though.. | 12:36 |
| ieatlint | eh... i spent $200 to get 16gb on my laptop.. i can run my ram-hungry browser, misc apps, qtcreator, virtualbox and more... extremely convenient to not swap | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 12:36 |
| ieatlint | and tmpfs lets me throw a ramdisk up for the occasional task that needs insane seek times/throughput | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ram-hungry browser - mega-LOL | 12:37 |
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| X-Fade | My 100+ tab browsers eat quite a lot :) | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, I occasionally need swap on this 2GB machine, when using 40+ browser windows, each with several tabs | 12:38 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, taking a leaf out of lbts book? | 12:38 |
| ieatlint | my browser usually uses ~500mb-700mb | 12:38 |
| lcuk | i once saw a screenie from him with a mega tab stack | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Hehe, yeah nice :D | 12:39 |
| ieatlint | my gf does that... probably has 200 tabs open at any given moment | 12:39 |
| ieatlint | freaks | 12:39 |
| ieatlint | i still can't believe gmail by itself takes 160mb | 12:39 |
| lcuk | I dislike walking back to my machine and finding a mammoth tab list open | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's when you start to have to google your tabs to find the right one :-P | 12:40 |
| ieatlint | most of my open tabs are api reference | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | Memory: 64873300k/66235856k available | 12:41 |
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| ieatlint | 64gb... nice :P | 12:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd sleep away on POST | 12:41 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, have you ever actually used all mem? | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-D | 12:42 |
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| X-Fade | cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep processor |wc -l | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | 16 | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 12:42 |
| lcuk | hands up who thinks X-Fade is just showing off now :P | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | Hehe ;) He is.. | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ol | 12:43 |
| lcuk | thats a nice workhors though | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | That is one of the builders we just added to meego community obs. | 12:43 |
| lcuk | with an e of course | 12:43 |
| ieatlint | and is that 16 separate cores or threading? | 12:43 |
| lcuk | sweet | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4 quad? | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, only a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5640 | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | Dual Quad with HT. | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 12:44 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i'm running I7-820QM on my laptop.. quad core with HT | 12:45 |
| ieatlint | so it claims i have 8, heh | 12:45 |
| X-Fade | Although we also have 6 core ones incoming. | 12:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: you noticed the expired cert on vcs.m.o ? | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: There is a bug for that ;) | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 12:46 |
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| hrw | can someone remind me where I can find failed build log for package? | 13:17 |
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| hrw | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/apmefo_0.11-1/ is all I found ;( | 13:20 |
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| hrw | [2011-01-05 13:24:34] apmefo 0.11-1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository | 13:27 |
| hrw | ;) | 13:27 |
| hrw | finally | 13:27 |
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| timeless_xchat | as seen on a slide "updateting" | 13:37 |
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| lcuk | ZogG, perhaps collar mgedmin on #maemo and ask him to bring his logbot into #maemo-ssu? :) | 13:39 |
| ZogG | ooops you did it already =) | 13:40 |
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| lcuk | ;) | 13:40 |
| ZogG | btw never saw him talikng here around | 13:40 |
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| lardman | hi chaps | 13:50 |
| lardman | bloody touchscreen is on the blink again | 13:50 |
| ZogG | hey | 13:50 |
| ZogG | how are u? | 13:50 |
| lardman | alright, you? | 13:50 |
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| hrw | apmefo 0.11-1 is in extras-devel now | 13:52 |
| ZogG | terrible but everything would be fine | 13:52 |
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| lardman | hi hrw, Happy New Year | 13:53 |
| hrw | lardman: HNY'11 to you too | 13:54 |
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| lardman | hmm, FF4 doesn't seem to like WMP | 13:58 |
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| D_Cent | i've got a problem with my n900 - sometimes the mail server does not respond and after that i can't look into my already received message nor can i receive new ones (it always shows it is loading something) | 14:01 |
| D_Cent | the only way to fix this is rebooting the device, but that's not really a solution for me | 14:01 |
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| ZogG | hmmm | 14:41 |
| ZogG | wtf, HAM doesn't see any catalogues though apt-get update does work from terminal | 14:42 |
| alterego | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/email | 14:44 |
| alterego | bored | 14:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | alterego: I actually did that yesterday | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: pretty much | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I was wanting someone to sign a document I'd written for them, on my behalf, and fax it to someone. | 14:48 |
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| alterego | Heh | 14:49 |
| alterego | There are plenty of funsies in that one :) | 14:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | And I'm in the process of getting ready to go out to catch a bus to post stuff, because my fucking government won't take email. | 14:52 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 14:52 | |
| alterego | That annoys me .. | 14:53 |
| alterego | otoh, I don't have a fax machine and probably haven't touched one since 1998 | 14:53 |
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| ieatlint | the oatmeal is awesomeness though | 15:20 |
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| * lardman|home wonders how to sync his phonebook | 15:30 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, to whom it may concern: Automatic time setting (getting time from GSM network) doesn't fix a wrong time from a bat-out boot - until you go tablet-mode and back to telephone-mode | 15:32 |
| lardman|home | ah, I noticed it didn't work | 15:32 |
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| nidO | automatic time on my device just plain doesnt seem to work and never has :\ | 15:34 |
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| lardman|home | does the service provider have to send time messages? Or whatever is used? | 15:34 |
| nidO | and the clock's time drifts really really badly | 15:34 |
| nidO | yeah, they have to broadcast a time over the network, and mine does | 15:34 |
| lardman|home | hmm, Ovi suite web installer is 91Mb | 15:35 |
| lardman|home | MB even | 15:35 |
| lardman|home | I thought web implied it would download what it needed at install time | 15:36 |
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| alterego | B even | 15:40 |
| alterego | 13:36 < lardman|home> I thought web implied it would download what it needed at | 15:40 |
| alterego | crap, sorry | 15:41 |
| lardman|home | hmm, I forgot you need a working touchscreen to enable PC Suite mode | 15:41 |
| alterego | Touchpad fail | 15:41 |
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| lardman|home | anyone know the module I need to insmod to get pc suite mode working? | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: (drift) see stop() in K02hwclock :-/ | 15:42 |
| alterego | lardman|home: g_nokia | 15:43 |
| lardman|home | thanks | 15:43 |
| alterego | make sure g_storage is unloaded though :) | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | an absolute NONO on any system without proper internet and ntpd running, or - better - ntpd syncing sysclock with GPS or sth *all the time* | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: also check /etc/adjtime - you might want to set all values to 0 in there | 15:45 |
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| nidO | will take a look in a sec when im off the phone :p | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | the amazing part of *my* adjtime is it actually has 0 drift factors | 15:46 |
| lardman|home | hmm, Device Manager seems to see the N900, but Ovi Suite is not interested | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: on N900? | 15:48 |
| lardman|home | no on Win7 box that I'm trying to back up to | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's an insmode on win7? | 15:48 |
| lardman|home | :) | 15:48 |
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| lardman|home | no, I insmodded on the N900 and now Windows 7 sees it | 15:49 |
| lardman|home | bit Ovi Suite doesn't | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N900 you need a bit more than just modprobe g_nokia | 15:49 |
| lardman|home | ah finally, Ovi Suite is a bit crap | 15:49 |
| lardman|home | really? Seems to be working now | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a script for that :-) | 15:50 |
| lardman|home | we'll see anyway - Ovi suite seemingly only scans for devices when it's started and doesn't keep looking | 15:50 |
| lardman|home | Well it's currently got "Creating account..." on Ovi Suite, so that may or may not mean it doesn't have an IP, I've no idea | 15:51 |
| lardman|home | docscrutinizer: do you know the name of the script that is run to enable PC Suite mode? | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm trying to dig up the name in my mind, but am failing. It's mentioned in the old (closed) hostmode thread on tmo | 15:53 |
| ieatlint | i don't think the ovi suite interfaces over tcp/ip | 15:53 |
| lardman|home | ieatlint: You sure, afair it was supposed to be a modified g_ether I though | 15:53 |
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| lardman|home | docscrutinizer: I'll do some Googling, this "Creating account..." has been going on for far too long | 15:54 |
| lardman|home | another fail for Ovi Suite programmers' ability to handle error conditions | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: why didn't the menu on N900 work for you? it calls that script | 15:54 |
| lardman|home | touchscreen failure | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 15:54 |
| ieatlint | not sure, but for some reason it would surprise me | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the script might be something like PCsuite_enable | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | grep for g_nokia in the related dirs | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ask MohammadAG | 15:56 |
| lardman|home | argh, no pipe character | 15:56 |
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| lardman|home | /usr/sbin/pcsuite-enable.sh | 15:58 |
| lardman|home | stupid program was apparently trying to create a new Ovi login while I already have one | 16:00 |
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| * lardman|home wonders how well the calendar and phone numbers will travel to his wife's old Android phone via M$ Outlook | 16:01 | |
| GAN900 | When do you think Talk will finally be reduced to trolls arguing with trolls. . . . | 16:01 |
| lardman|home | GAN900: -1 year | 16:02 |
| GAN900 | I notice they love swarming out of the woodwork for the productive threads. | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | you rang? | 16:02 |
| lardman|home | MohammadAG: got it sorted, thanks | 16:03 |
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| ieatlint | lardman|home: you should be able to export the data in standard formats, and then import them into android without ms outlook (although, i imagine ms outlook will work too) | 16:04 |
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| lardman|home | export them from Ovi Suite? | 16:04 |
| lardman|home | as I only have terminal access on the N900 | 16:05 |
| timeless_xchat | gan900: productive threads? | 16:05 |
| lardman|home | lol | 16:05 |
| GAN900 | timeless_xchat, yeah, yeah. :P | 16:05 |
| ieatlint | hmmm, never tried... i think so though, about to take a look myself out of curiosity | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: using TV AV-connector isn't an option? | 16:06 |
| lardman|home | I'll give it a go as is, looks like all the contacts made it to Outlook | 16:06 |
| lardman|home | docscrutinizer: what for? | 16:06 |
| lardman|home | screen works, but I can't use the touchscreen | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | as a bandaid for your "only have ssh access" | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, so maybe use a mouse? | 16:07 |
| lardman|home | I don't even have that! | 16:07 |
| lardman|home | I've got terminal access on device by pressing ctrl-shift-x | 16:07 |
| lardman|home | but have to be careful the term doesn't loose focus as there's no way of getting it back | 16:07 |
| lardman|home | so if anything opens in front, I need to start a new terminal | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | awful | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | install MHD | 16:08 |
| lardman|home | no wifi atm | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 16:08 |
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| lardman|home | though I guess I could start it if I thought about it | 16:08 |
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| ieatlint | lardman|home: ah, yeah, looks like it only lets you do individual vcf files for contacts | 16:08 |
| lardman|home | anyway mission accomplished, data off, now to see about sticking it on my wife's old phone | 16:09 |
| * lardman|home had someone phoning earlier and could old turn the phone off, didn't seem to be anyway of answering without touchscreen | 16:09 | |
| lardman|home | s/old/only | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, another BUG :-((( | 16:10 |
| ieatlint | and it's not tcp/ip for ovi suite, as neither my phone nor windows has any interface up over the usb connection | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | dialer-UI ergonomics and usability and MMI design are abysmally flawed | 16:11 |
| lardman|home | ieatlint: it is actually, but Ovi Suite provides its own driver to hide the ethernet-over-usb link | 16:12 |
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| lardman|home | certainly usb0 is up on the N900 | 16:12 |
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| ieatlint | not on my phone | 16:13 |
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| ieatlint | and i'd be alarmed if a device is creating a hidden network interface that doesn't show up at all in windows | 16:13 |
| lardman|home | that's quite possible | 16:13 |
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| Gyjf | hey guys | 16:15 |
| ieatlint | well, it's not realistically possible on the phone... and either way, my phone says usb0 is down, and that it has no ip address assigned and no traffic listed over it | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia GUI designers forgot about 3rd commandment of MMI design: >>if you have buttons and a keyboard, do not require user to ever touch the mouse. If you have a mouse and screen, never require user to touch buttons or keyboard<< | 16:15 |
| Gyjf | i cant seem to find rc.local on my n900 maemo fremantle does anyone know where its located? | 16:15 |
| kerio | mmi? | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | man-machine-interface | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply UI | 16:17 |
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| Gyjf | or is there any other way i can autostart something on bootup? | 16:17 |
| lardman|home | ieatlint: and you're connected to usb suite over the usb cable? | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: what do you want to startup? | 16:18 |
| lardman|home | ovi suite even | 16:18 |
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| Gyjf | load a sh script | 16:18 |
| ieatlint | lardman|home: yes | 16:18 |
| lardman|home | oh, fair enough | 16:18 |
| ieatlint | i don't hate myself quite enough to use a 2mbit bluetooth connection | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: /etc/rc2.d | 16:18 |
| Gyjf | to load the bleeding edge wireless drivers | 16:18 |
| lardman|home | lol | 16:18 |
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| Gyjf | ok, out of curiosity, why 2? | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFC, but I think I heard that's what maemo is using for normal operation | 16:19 |
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| MohammadAG | no | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3? 5? | 16:20 |
| Termana | shouldn't you be using /etc/init.d? | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | but beware | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | if you're using MyDocs, it might not be mounted | 16:20 |
| Gyjf | the rc(0-6).d are located in init.d | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: 'files' in rcX.d are symlinks to init.d | 16:20 |
| lardman|home | urgh, talk about a slow first boot | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | so you might want to shove the drivers in / somewhere | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | I'd say /root | 16:21 |
| Gyjf | ls | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | if it fits | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: no they are not | 16:22 |
| Gyjf | oh sorry, looked at the wrong place in terminal :P | 16:22 |
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| Gyjf | yea /root seems empty | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | # The default runlevel. | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | id:2:initdefault: | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | it's still /, so watch usage | 16:23 |
| Gyjf | so if i put it in rc5.d it will run last? | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | it will run never | 16:24 |
| Gyjf | ok | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you put the script in init.d and symlink that to rc2.d | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why? | 16:24 |
| ieatlint | i didn't realise maemo followed sysv stuff | 16:25 |
| Gyjf | in /etc/init.d/rc then? | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | rc5.d is run level 5, when X starts | 16:25 |
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| Gyjf | i need it to run after the stock drivers are run so they doesnt load after rendering it useless | 16:26 |
| ieatlint | the system doesn't boot by progressing through each run level | 16:27 |
| ShadowJK | some of it's upstart, some of it's sysv | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:27 |
| ieatlint | and the gui being part of init level 5 is more a guideline than a rule | 16:27 |
| ShadowJK | iirc Debian doesn't use 5 for gui | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a guideline not followed in maemo | 16:27 |
| ShadowJK | though Fedora does | 16:27 |
| ieatlint | running on init level 2 is weird though, as that is typically terminal with no networking as i recall | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | where's the link to IRC morning/night rules again? :P | 16:28 |
| ShadowJK | My debian box has id:2:initdefault: too :P | 16:28 |
| ShadowJK | (and that boots into GUI) | 16:28 |
| Gyjf | ok so rc2.d would be fine? | 16:28 |
| Termana | ~ugt | 16:29 |
| infobot | [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 16:29 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, ^^ | 16:29 |
| ieatlint | yeah, you want rc2.d if the system defaults to level 2 | 16:29 |
| ieatlint | which it seemingly does | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, sank you | 16:30 |
| * ieatlint fondly remembers the classic trick of setting someone's default run level to 6 | 16:31 | |
| ieatlint | i know enough unix sysadmins these days that would never figure that out :( | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: place the script into /etc/init.d/* and create a symlink from /etc/rc2.d/S??* (and K??* ?) to that file. Choose ?? according to execution order of the files on Start (and Kill) | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: LOL, nice prank | 16:32 |
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| Gyjf | init.d/rc? | 16:33 |
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| Gyjf | or just dump it in init.d folder? | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | /etc/init.d/<yourscript> | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ln -s /etc/init.d/<yourscript> /etc/rc2.d/S57foobar | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/foobar/<yourscript>/ | 16:35 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: ln -s /etc/init.d/<yourscript> /etc/rc2.d/S57<yourscript> | 16:35 |
| Gyjf | this will run with root privilegies right? | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:37 |
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| Gyjf | ok then | 16:37 |
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| retro|cz | hmm | 16:37 |
| Gyjf | lets reboot and see if it works :) | 16:37 |
| retro|cz | I instaled Scratch box | 16:38 |
| retro|cz | typed /opt/scratchbox/tools/bin/sb-menu | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's S58wlancond and @S59icd2 in rc2.d so prolly your link will be named S60xyxyxy | 16:38 |
| retro|cz | Please create one by running "sb-menu" before continuing | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: you're aware you're in for reflash if that fails? | 16:38 |
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| Gyjf | :( | 16:39 |
| Gyjf | lets hope it dosnt | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | doublecheck | 16:39 |
| Gyjf | well, it boots | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but does it finish? :-P | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (will be named S60xyxyxy) or S57dkjjhasd - depending on exact dependencies | 16:41 |
| Gyjf | ...this is bad | 16:41 |
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| Gyjf | wlan0 interface disapeared | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | bootloop? | 16:42 |
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| Gyjf | its showing up in iwconfig but not ifconfig | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, what's the sequence number of your link? and what exactly does the script? | 16:43 |
| ieatlint | Gyjf: that means it's off | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply put: when shall it be executed? | 16:44 |
| ieatlint | try "ifconfig -a" | 16:44 |
| Gyjf | the script loads the bleeding edge drivers for wlan that suports monitor mode and injection | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably ICD isn't aware of it | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: and this works when you do that on a fully booted system? | 16:45 |
| Gyjf | yes | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 16:45 |
| Gyjf | i can just run it when its booted every time, but im laze | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | then make you link look like S99jkfjskfh | 16:45 |
| Gyjf | *lazy | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it will execute last | 16:46 |
| lardman|home | bbiab | 16:46 |
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| Gyjf | ok, how do i delete the symlink? | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm? | 16:47 |
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| Gyjf | ok | 16:47 |
| Gyjf | sorry for beeing a noob :P | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noobs with intention to learn are welcome | 16:48 |
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| crashanddie | humble noobs are most welcome | 16:48 |
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| crashanddie | arrogant twats who think we owe them answers, however, are not. | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | Luckily, this isn't ##php, so we don't really have those individuals | 16:49 |
| Gyjf | yeah i know that kind... | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 16:49 |
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| Gyjf | im actually an irc op on another network :P | 16:49 |
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| BCMM | crashanddie: i think that's because they're all on the forum :) | 16:49 |
| doc|home | I'm trying to connect my widget to my thingammy. Tell me how now!! | 16:50 |
| doc|home | NOW! | 16:50 |
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| Gyjf | im just used to put stuff in rc.local and have it work you know | 16:52 |
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| Gyjf | when it dosnt crashes the system xD | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: that's not sysV init | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this however is sysv with a mix of upstart in it | 16:54 |
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| Gyjf | so, i rmd everything :P | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: ah, before I forget: your script in init.d should resemble the other ones there | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | everything as in * ? | 16:58 |
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| azeem_ | hey, is it possible to just configure an outgoing mail server on the N900? I got a main mail account for IMAP, and I occasionally want to send photos etc. to people over a secondary SMTP account, but don't want to receive mail on it | 17:01 |
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| jacekowski | azeem_: try it | 17:02 |
| azeem_ | so I get an error message on every check; not setting a pop3 server just makes the "save" button go away | 17:02 |
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| lardman | re | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | azeem_: known flaw in modest | 17:03 |
| azeem_ | DocScrutinizer: ok, thx | 17:03 |
| Gyjf | so, im back where i started | 17:03 |
| * lardman marvels at the small size and weight of the HTC Tattoo | 17:03 | |
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| lardman | and curses the fact it has no hw keyboard | 17:03 |
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| Jaffa | azeem_: set it to "localhost"? | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | azeem_: I seem to recall somebody did a nice hack for it - just can't remember what it's been | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that maybe | 17:04 |
| azeem_ | Jaffa: ok, lemme try; though I guess that will error out as well | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | azeem_: what about configuring pop3, setting it to correct server, disable polling, set it to recieve 0 days from server | 17:05 |
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| jacekowski | azeem_: that *MAY* work | 17:05 |
| azeem_ | jacekowski: AFAICT polling is configured centrally for all mail accounts | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:06 |
| azeem_ | localhost is invalid | 17:06 |
| azeem_ | anyway, not a big issue; just thought there might be a quick workaround I missed | 17:06 |
| azeem_ | ok, it accepts 127.0.0.1 | 17:07 |
| azeem_ | hey, that might even work, no errors so far | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 17:07 |
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| azeem_ | nah, I still get the error and get bumped back into settings :-/ | 17:10 |
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| azeem_ | I guess I could check the repositories for fake pop servers | 17:10 |
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| lardman | who is stenny | 17:13 |
| lardman | I was going to compose a response to his post at the end of the Ask the Council thread (which simply shows he can't be arsed to find out what he's talking about), but then I realised I'm not supposed to, and it's TMO too | 17:14 |
| lardman | so who cares | 17:15 |
| derf | \o/ | 17:15 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, I replied | 17:26 |
| smhar | is there a guide somewhere on how to remove, even temporary, files/folder in N900 to save enough space to upgrade to PR1.3? | 17:26 |
| nidO | how much rootfs space dyou have | 17:28 |
| * lardman goes to look | 17:28 | |
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| smhar | nidO, 39.6mb | 17:29 |
| nidO | ouch | 17:29 |
| nidO | you've got a fair bit of unoptified stuff installed then | 17:29 |
| smhar | I know :-( | 17:30 |
| lardman | crashanddie: looks good | 17:30 |
| nidO | check out the wiki for freeing up rootfs space, there's a load of info there on stuff you can move/remove, and a script thatll tell you whats using all your rootfs space | 17:30 |
| smhar | I also have claws-mail with lots of email, but do not check where it saves the email | 17:30 |
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| Gyjf | how do i shut down/reboot the n9000 from cli? | 17:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders why he's thinking "meego security framework" while reading this: http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion-features/53108-analysis-intel-to-introduce-processor-with-remote-kill-switch# | 17:39 | |
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| Gyjf | since it dosnt have poweroff or reboot | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: init 0 ? | 17:40 |
| smhar | Gyjf, 'reboot' | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are several methods | 17:40 |
| Gyjf | "reboot" dosnt work | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | reboot also should work, yes | 17:40 |
| Gyjf | ive tried to apt it | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# which reboot | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | /sbin/reboot | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l `which reboot` | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2010-06-23 06:13 /sbin/reboot -> /bin/busybox | 17:42 |
| Gyjf | how do i make that work from everywhere? | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | define "everywhere" | 17:42 |
| Gyjf | if im in /home and just type poweroff it says comand not found | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're not root? | 17:43 |
| smhar | Gyjf, you need to be root | 17:43 |
| Gyjf | ofc i have to be root | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l `which poweroff` | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2010-06-23 06:13 /sbin/poweroff -> /bin/busybox | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | on that note, what's the different between poweroff and halt? | 17:43 |
| smhar | Gyjf, whoami ? | 17:44 |
| Gyjf | root | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or id | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you maybe used sudo gainroot instead of root? | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | (or other way round) | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo $PATH | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | both work fine for halt and reboot | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo $HOME | 17:45 |
| Gyjf | i am doing sudo gainroot | 17:45 |
| Gyjf | weird... now it works | 17:45 |
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| Gyjf | yesterday or so when i tried it it just said comand not found | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc sudo gainroot doesn't change environment | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | root does | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was it other way round | 17:46 |
| Gyjf | root changes to /root i think | 17:46 |
| Gyjf | or / maybe | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | no | 17:46 |
| Gyjf | sudo gainroot just makes rou root | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | sudo gainroot breaks env | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | root keeps it | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | sudo gainroot and run a Qt app, it won't be styled | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | run a dbus signal, it'll fail | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 17:47 |
| Gyjf | both poweroff and reboot seems to work with the new kernel | 17:48 |
| Gyjf | root jumps to /root | 17:49 |
| Gyjf | and sudo gainroot keeps you where you were | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | root sets user root's environment | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot keeps user user's env | 17:49 |
| Gyjf | ye | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so sudo gainroot has no appropriate $PATH for root | 17:50 |
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| Gyjf | i always use sudo gainroot | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never use sudo gainroot | 17:52 |
| Gyjf | whats the cons? | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | missing root environment | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | reboot: error: command not found | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ~/ is not ~root/ | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or simply: I'm used to a full root account. But not to being 'user' with root permissions | 17:55 |
| Gyjf | ah | 17:55 |
| Gyjf | well i often ssh in as root anyway | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and it's only 4 letters ;-D | 17:55 |
| Gyjf | bigger screen and better keyboard | 17:55 |
| Gyjf | ofc :P | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | when you ssh-login as root, then you got a clean root environment | 17:56 |
| Gyjf | ive just dumped my scripts in /home/user so its anoying that i get root env and have to cd | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd get confused on not finding the same on devices xterm | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf got files that are neither writeable nor executable by user, what they got to do in /home/user? | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> sudo gainroot keeps user user's env | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's the other way round | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | sudo gainroot breaks env | 17:58 |
| Gyjf | no | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just CHECKED it | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | eitherway, it's broken | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot; echo $HOME $PATH; exit; echo $HOME $PATH; root; echo $HOME $PATH; | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot == su; root = su - | 18:00 |
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| MohammadAG | right | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | - aka login shell | 18:02 |
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| tybollt_ | also note that sudo changed from not stripping env by default to by default striping it | 18:06 |
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| Pauly | hi i am using n900 with att go phone sim but everytime i make call it lasts for few seconds then disconnects with eroo | 18:07 |
| Pauly | error message connection error | 18:07 |
| Pauly | any ideas why? | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt_: nice. When? Mine even changed from not asking any password by default to asking for ROOT password on sudo gainroot / root | 18:09 |
| tybollt_ | DocScrutinizer: sorry what I mean is upstream sudo did that - not speaking of the particular configuration in Maemo. | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maemo's sudo is from plaeozen | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it doesn't even know #include and #include-dir, otherwise we might get rid or never have seen this abomination called update-sudoers | 18:12 |
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| lardman | hmm, multi tasking, downloading 5 different apps | 18:13 |
| lardman | and all going rather slow, but I guess far quicker than HAM | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're not talking bout HAM, are you? ;-P | 18:13 |
| lardman | no, this is Android | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, nope | 18:13 |
| * lardman thinks about summoning the determination to do something with HAM | 18:14 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | like fapman? | 18:14 |
| lardman | I don't really like that interface either tbh | 18:14 |
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| SharRakorR | interface of ham? | 18:15 |
| SharRakorR | thats bad | 18:15 |
| SharRakorR | is fam really good? | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't even recall it. fapboy made it off my device after 8min 30 | 18:15 |
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| lardman | No, I like fapman less than HAM (interface-wise) | 18:16 |
| SharRakorR | is really fam faster than ham? :D | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: check HAM when restoring applications... nice :-D | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | long list of checkboxes - wonder why we can't have/use/exploit that on a 'normal' install | 18:17 |
| SharRakorR | do anyone know how to turn off autoupdate? | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:18 |
| lardman | docscrutinizer: quite | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you refer to the scheduled one | 18:18 |
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| lardman | or even just download and install in the bg | 18:18 |
| lardman | lol, scrolling on this Tattoo is even more jerky than on the N900 | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | SharRakorR: ?? | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check meh, take it or leave it | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 18:20 |
| SharRakorR | DocScrutinizer: oh thanks,i will take a look | 18:20 |
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| lardman | well Google maps is not very good at parsing addresses | 18:24 |
| tybollt_ | DocScrutinizer: yes the update-sudoers things struck me as kind of odd :) | 18:24 |
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| nidO | google maps mainly always just pisses me off because it insists my postcode is about a mile away from where it actually is | 18:33 |
| smhar | ok.. I managed to free rootfs, now I have 45.1 mb free, is this ok for upgrading to PR1.3 safely | 18:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall it wanted 65M free | 18:34 |
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| xDaReaperx | anyone here has a HP notebook ? | 18:34 |
| smhar | SpeedEvil, ohh... this is a long way to go | 18:34 |
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| epp | when do i get injection drivers for the wifiez? | 18:34 |
| epp | where* | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | smhar: however - I'm unsure that's the right number | 18:35 |
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| tybollt_ | epp: yeah my wife certainly need an injection or two. | 18:41 |
| ieatlint | nidO: same with mine, heh... there's a "report an error" function, might give it a try | 18:41 |
| nidO | I did that like a year ago | 18:41 |
| nidO | no change | 18:41 |
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| ieatlint | mine used to be correct, then randomly started being incorrect recently | 18:42 |
| nidO | I think its actually that google just doesnt know my full postcode exists | 18:42 |
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| nidO | im at nr1 3sg, and it just shows it as being at the same place as nr1 | 18:42 |
| ieatlint | it also puts my actual street address about a quarter mile away, heh (but if you add 1 to the number, it puts it correctly... go figure) | 18:42 |
| ieatlint | hah, yeah, it says nr1 3sg isn't found and suggests just nr1 | 18:43 |
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| lardman | I was trying to find my house and it got confused by the address curiously | 18:44 |
| lardman | and then started suggesting all sorts of places rather than just falling back to the postcode | 18:45 |
| ieatlint | heh, yeah, i enjoy telling friends that they can't abide by google maps in order to find my place :( | 18:45 |
| nidO | luckily every single other mapping service does nail my address precisely | 18:46 |
| lardman | but my issue is with the Android version of the app, so perhaps not a problem with the desktop browser version | 18:46 |
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| lardman | yeah the desktop version works fine, even gives a snapshot of the flats | 18:47 |
| * lardman looks at streetview and sees summer | 18:47 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's always summer where google is | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 18:48 |
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| lardman | ~lart on-screen keyboards | 18:48 |
| * infobot accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets on-screen keyboards feel it | 18:48 | |
| ieatlint | there are other mapping services than google? :P | 18:49 |
| lardman | not immediately obvious on this phone | 18:49 |
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| ieatlint | there's also no streetview where i live, oddly | 18:50 |
| * lardman loves that the top item in Android Marketplace is "Menstrual Calendar" :D | 18:50 | |
| lolloo | ~botsnack | 18:50 |
| ieatlint | they used to have it, but then it disappeared... removed it from my entire area, except a couple major roads | 18:50 |
| infobot | thanks, lolloo | 18:50 |
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| nidO | the streetmap data where I am is just really really old :( | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | is skype down? | 18:51 |
| nidO | not here | 18:52 |
| nidO | im logged in fine, at least | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | call echo123 | 18:52 |
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| MohammadAG | does it "ring"? | 18:52 |
| lolloo | yesterday was down | 18:52 |
| lolloo | its ok with me. | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | sigh | 18:53 |
| * MohammadAG reboots | 18:53 | |
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| lolloo | yesterday I couldnt sign. | 18:53 |
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| nidO | echo test seems to not be answering | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | sign out and back in | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | it'll fail | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | it's their retarded login service | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | it keeps you logged in even when you're not | 18:54 |
| nidO | its just logged me back in fine | 18:54 |
| lolloo | aha | 18:54 |
| Gyjf | is there any good gps app with local maps for fremantle? | 18:54 |
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| nidO | local maps or local routing? | 18:54 |
| * lardman wonders what the "Battery use" table actually measures - CPU time I guess | 18:54 | |
| MohammadAG | marble's cool | 18:55 |
| Gyjf | local maps | 18:55 |
| Gyjf | so i dont need internet to use it | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | try marble | 18:55 |
| nidO | then ovi, mappero, marble, and sygic | 18:55 |
| Gyjf | ovi complains when i dont have internet | 18:55 |
| lardman | that's normal | 18:56 |
| nidO | you can just ignore it | 18:56 |
| lardman | it uses an online service to do lookups though doesn't it? | 18:56 |
| nidO | yes, he specified local maps only though, not local routing | 18:56 |
| lardman | ah ok | 18:56 |
| Gyjf | i want something to tell me how to get from point a to point b without internet access :P | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | walk | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | skype's back | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | guess it was a local problem | 18:57 |
| ieatlint | Gyjf: that'd be local routing | 18:58 |
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| Gyjf | ok then i need both local routing and local maps | 18:58 |
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| nidO | then you're shit out of luck for now | 18:59 |
| nidO | oh wait marble does offline routing with monav doesnt it? | 18:59 |
| ieatlint | sygic will do it methinks, but not free (or cheap even) | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | there are osm based solutions | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | they are of varyuing utility depending on the quality of coverage in your area | 19:00 |
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| Gyjf | marble says offline routing | 19:01 |
| Gyjf | and it has maps of the moon lol | 19:02 |
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| ieatlint | probably not routing there though | 19:02 |
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| Gyjf | dammit! how am i gonna find anything now? the internet is really bad on the moon :( | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I did some sums - and GPS on the moon works moderately OK | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | You need a ~2m dish pointed at earth | 19:04 |
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| Gyjf | could you get propper internet with that same dish? | 19:05 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: far-side of the moon could be troublesome | 19:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: indeed | 19:06 |
| lardman | just because it's not well mapped of course ;) | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | the geometry somewhat sucks - you only get a few sats that are just on the horizon | 19:06 |
| Gyjf | makes me think of dark side of the moon :D | 19:07 |
| Gyjf | the album | 19:07 |
| lardman | do GPS sats not have directional antennae? | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: yes, they do. | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: But there is a little overspill out past the horizon, to ensure that teh horizon is well illuminated | 19:08 |
| lardman | so you won't "see" those that are directly between the moon and Earth? | 19:08 |
| Gyjf | ok, is there any CLI gps app for just grabbing coordinates? | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | So you get a 'ring' of sats just coming up. | 19:08 |
| lardman | yep | 19:08 |
| lardman | and they are a reasonably long way up | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | halfway to GEO - ~20000km - so the extra distance to the moon can be made up by a modest antenna. | 19:09 |
| ieatlint | i've decided to use alcohol to solve my problems | 19:09 |
| trx | lol | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | The doppler is even right too. But - the position solver will get confused | 19:09 |
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| ieatlint | Gyjf: there's probably some random test app someone wrote... maemo uses a custom api for gps stuff, but the whole thing would be a tiny app (hell, check the example code for the api, might be just that -- a simple cli app to print the coords) | 19:10 |
| Gyjf | i want something to just get the coordinates if it gets stolen etc | 19:10 |
| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 19:11 |
| nidO | smscon | 19:11 |
| Gyjf | ssh in grab coordinates, snap photo give it to me | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Gyjf: there are also in many places ways you can do that via the modem | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Gyjf: 'track your phone over the web' | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | type places | 19:11 |
| lardman | isn't there some application to do that via sms | 19:11 |
| nidO | yeah, smscon. | 19:11 |
| trx | if you want to do it yourself tho | 19:12 |
| trx | check liblocation | 19:12 |
| trx | its very simple.. | 19:12 |
| Gyjf | is that in python? | 19:12 |
| trx | i believe in C | 19:13 |
| trx | but i translated it to Delphi with ease.. | 19:13 |
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| Gyjf | isnt qt python? | 19:13 |
| trx | its not very big and its simple to translate.. | 19:13 |
| lardman | there's a qt mobility wrapper in pyside which should do the job in python | 19:13 |
| lardman | Gyjf: no | 19:13 |
| lardman | it's C++ | 19:14 |
| Gyjf | hmm marble is unbeliveable slow | 19:14 |
| MrBawb | python-location is the python wrapper for liblocation | 19:14 |
| Gyjf | and i can just apt-get that? | 19:14 |
| lardman | yep | 19:14 |
| pupnik | http://www.mathmos.fr/eu/mathmos-astro-replacement-bottles-1273-0.html just 27 euro and you can experiment with your own cpu-heat-driven lava lamp | 19:15 |
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| pupnik | enjoy | 19:22 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, but what are the odds that the cpu die will overheat to the point it starts melting the rest of the board? | 19:24 |
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| alterego | Cool, now my waypoints are rendering in the trackview, and I've got a bearing to waypoint indicator in my compass. | 19:28 |
| alterego | Almost time for another release. | 19:28 |
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| pupnik | you would want to use a cpu that can withstand heat up to 70c or so | 19:39 |
| pupnik | as well as ensure a good transfer to the lamp | 19:39 |
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| ieatlint | hahaha, i think i already have my favourite political quote for 2011 ""After this vote, I will politically haunt you," Daly said to Chiu. "It's on like Donkey Kong."" | 19:40 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm | 19:42 |
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| RST38h | Anyone can enlighten me what this Backtrack Mobile thing is, is it free, and is it usable with a vanilla kernel? | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: neat | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: 70°C? damn, my CPU rarely is cooler than that | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: You get CPUs rated to work up to 250C. | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course - they are not very cheap. | 19:46 |
| RST38h | Speed: Are they capable of *producing* 250oC though? | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | you of course have to distinguish between die temp and heatsink temp | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | with enough insulation | 19:46 |
| RST38h | hehe | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.honeywell.com/sites/portal?smap=aerospace&page=High-Temp-Electonics3&theme=T5&catID=C8CB0A123-D15A-925D-8BF2-3FBCC5E54BB7&id=H0F4347A8-B418-9BBF-51D2-4FE2F72E6EC1&sel=3 | 19:47 |
| SharRakorR | my notebook always turn off when im about 95°C :D | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC the prices were $700ish for a 8051 | 19:48 |
| RST38h | OMG | 19:49 |
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| RST38h | Care to find a datasheet on that one?With the price? =) | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | they took prices off the webstore | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | at least the public bit | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | laptop, pentium-dualcore 1.8GHz, system load 15%, fan full speed ("fixed" defect): 57°C | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | But consider how difficult it is to cool a regular 8051 that may have a max temp of 125C - in a 200C environment - especially if power might go out occasionally | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | And if it dies, you need to bring up a huge long drill-string. | 19:51 |
| RST38h | 8051 has brains of a cockroach | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's quite adequate for datalogging stuff, and many computational tasks. | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you also can get radiation hardened processors, for viking etc space probes, sats etc. Damn expensive, damn old architecture | 19:51 |
| RST38h | So, I do not think making it withstand 125oC will be such a problem | 19:51 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: you mean awesome | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: 250C - sustained for a month or so - the above part is rated to. | 19:51 |
| RST38h | Ah, sustained for a month... | 19:52 |
| RST38h | Evil | 19:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sometimes expensive stuff works out cheaper than trying to use commodity, and keep it reasonably cool. | 19:52 |
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| RST38h | Satan's very own 8051. For datalogging,I am sure. | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | down-hole apps in deep drilling. | 19:53 |
| RST38h | Speed: I did not know they kept anything more than a few sensors and some line transmitters down there | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: they don't | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: but multiplexing and stuff means you can put more sensors down there. | 19:54 |
| RST38h | + you probably get better readings converting them to digital in situ... | 19:54 |
| SpeedEvil | that too, yes. | 19:54 |
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| * DocScrutinizer grins at Panasonic toughbooks' HDD heating | 19:59 | |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders down to which lower temperature a CPU actually will work | 20:00 | |
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| Proteous | depends if you can avoid condensation | 20:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Easy in a vacuum | 20:05 |
| Proteous | liquid nitrogen cooling is used during overlocking contests | 20:05 |
| Proteous | heh | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening | 20:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - what it will work down to once, for an hour, and what it will work for if you subject it to multiple heat/cool cycles varies | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but is there a physically defined limit where semiconductors become isolators, or some other effect, that is an ABS MIN, comparable to ABS MAX of 2xx°C where the silicon dotation structure breaks | 20:08 |
| RST38h | Doc: Lower temperatures are generally no problem | 20:08 |
| RST38h | Doc: Except that CPUs tend to heat upon their own of course :) | 20:09 |
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| fil | is there some well known reason why my GPS seems totally unable to get a fix these days? (that's even with internet connection, and leaving it for ages -- it just never shows a single satalite any more -- I think it probably went wrong a couple of months ago) | 20:14 |
| fil | this is on an n900 | 20:14 |
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| RST38h | SD Association triples SDHC and SDXC speeds with UHS-II standard | 20:15 |
| RST38h | [somebody else is addressing our swap performance, it seems =)] | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it address small-block writes? | 20:16 |
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| RST38h | Probably not: the main target appears to be digitalphotography and video | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fil: insert a SIM, register to GSM, start "Location Test" app | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fil: my tests seem to suggest a connection to internet doesn't help | 20:19 |
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| GAN900 | Woo | 20:20 |
| ZogG | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7929 | 20:20 |
| fil | DocScrutinizer: ah, thanks, I'll give that a go | 20:20 |
| GAN900 | Lens Rentals is sending me a Canon 70-200 f/2.8L IS II for 5 days for a grand total of $70 | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | fil: also "leaving for ages" doesn't help as most apps using GPS stop that after 60s of fruitless effort | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | loacation test doesn't | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ovi maps for example restarts GPS for another 60s when getting focus / window to foreground | 20:22 |
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| RST38h | GAN: BTW, is Borders going tits-up? Have I missed something? | 20:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 20:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's a tv show showing on finnish tv showing <aol.com> sponsored laptops | 20:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | (it looks like it's Extreme Makeover: Home Edition) | 20:32 |
| psycho_oreos | is zImage the same as vmlinuz? | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.livedash.com/transcript/extreme_makeover__home_edition_(2_2)-(py_family)/4692/TVLANDP/Sunday_October_17_2010/320842/ | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | psycho_oreos: it's probably gzip'd | 20:33 |
| psycho_oreos | timeless_mbp, hmm both of those are reported via file as just data | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | heh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vmlinux ; http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/what-is-the-different-between-vmlinux-and-zimage-292784/ | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | the second one says : typically from what i've seen, "vmlinuz" is just a link to the systems kernel image which in your case is zImage. | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | > No specific tool exists to unpack the bzImage file, but there exists a script named extract-ikconfig, which decompresses the image and extracts build configuration directives from the image. One may modify it to get the decompressed image directly. Some distributions (e.g. Red Hat and clones) may come with a kernel-debuginfo RPM that contains the vmlinux file for the matching kernel RPM, it typically gets installed under | 20:35 |
| timeless_mbp | /usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/`uname -r`/vmlinux | 20:35 |
| psycho_oreos | timeless_mbp, thanks, gonna give meddling a try | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | meddling? | 20:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | timeless_mbp, tinkering :) | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | have fun | 20:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | (and a backup!) | 20:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | timeless_mbp, thanks :) and it looks like it didn't work (multiboot+kernel-power-46+kernel-maemo+backupmenu) | 20:42 |
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| lolloo | what is backupmenu for please? | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | for backup | 20:46 |
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| lolloo | backup what? | 20:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: multiboot and backupmenu might interfere | 20:47 |
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| MohammadAG | someone get uboot working with menus ;) | 20:47 |
| lolloo | I agree | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also multiboot is deprecated (by me :-D ) | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | something like a select kernel, then we can have all kernels on one partition and select between them | 20:48 |
| lolloo | uboot in multiboot! | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | no | 20:48 |
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| MohammadAG | uboot alone | 20:48 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I followed a guide here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=911733&postcount=12 and it seems like backupmenu doesn't work | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | putting uboot in multiboot just gets you deeper in a broken rabbit hole | 20:48 |
| lolloo | hehe | 20:49 |
| lolloo | what about meego kernel in multiboot! | 20:49 |
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| MohammadAG | no, multiboot can fck off :P | 20:49 |
| lolloo | hehe | 20:49 |
| lolloo | no way I need it for android | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | flashing a kernel each time I boot isn't something I want | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | then get android working with uboot | 20:50 |
| NIN101 | What is: /dev/mtd1? | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | it's not that hard, just get a 3rd partition on the SD card and convert the zImage to a uImage | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | NIN101, config partition | 20:50 |
| NIN101 | thx | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | stores IMEI / lock code | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | etc | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | even logs your firmware and kernel flashes | 20:51 |
| lolloo | how can I convert zlmage to ulmage? | 20:51 |
| NIN101 | just found out the lock code is just DES... | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and OC ;-D | 20:52 |
| NIN101 | cracked in seconds. | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n "Maemo 5 - kernel-power-2.6.28 46" -d zImage uImage | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, we already know this :-) | 20:52 |
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| MohammadAG | indeed we do | 20:52 |
| lolloo | ok saved! | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | it's just that, your average crook doesn't know that | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | -n is the name that shows in uboot | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, how do you override CMDLINE in uboot? | 20:53 |
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| NIN101 | I know DocScrutinizer, I haven't lost it, just curious and already cracked mine | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: even more funny: the default there is 12345 - *not* the hash of 12345 | 20:53 |
| NIN101 | lol | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: no idea | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | boot=? | 20:55 |
| lolloo | wow this backupmenu | 20:55 |
| lolloo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, we all have seen | 20:55 |
| lolloo | yeah I never knew!!! | 20:55 |
| lolloo | I will install it. | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | don't come asking how to fix the mtd when you restore a backup | 20:56 |
| lolloo | hehe | 20:56 |
| lolloo | is it big issue? | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | I had to use a custom kernel to wipe the mtd | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | flasher wouldn't flash the device | 20:57 |
| lolloo | omg | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | if you use it for anything other than | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | that that* | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | you're good | 20:58 |
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| MohammadAG | and it conflicts with multiboot | 20:58 |
| * trumee xbmc running on N900, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAH8GqYmeGs | 20:58 | |
| MohammadAG | actually, it needs bootmenu -> conlict | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | conflict | 20:59 |
| * trumee would prefer mythtv instead. | 20:59 | |
| MohammadAG | nice fake tty | 20:59 |
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| lolloo | it sounds scary | 21:01 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:04 |
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| SharRakorR | hi | 21:04 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, quite possibly. | 21:08 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, they're both running themselves out of business with ebooks | 21:08 |
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| GAN900 | I think Borders owes their suppliers some ridiculous amount of money. | 21:09 |
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| fil | DocScrutinizer: forcing location test to use AGNSS seems to have done the trick -- thanks for that, it's all back to normal now :-) | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yw. Glad to help | 21:50 |
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| alterego | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20110105-200040.png | 22:08 |
| RST38h | is it milky way? | 22:08 |
| RST38h | zoomed out a bit too much?=) | 22:08 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | Or is it a graphical representation of "I do not remember too much of what happened since I've left the pub..." ? =) | 22:10 |
| alterego | Hah | 22:10 |
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| alterego | Well, actually, the pub waypoint being white means it's the target destination. | 22:11 |
| maybeArgh | also, why is the pub in the sky | 22:11 |
| alterego | Where's the sky? | 22:11 |
| RST38h | everywherrre | 22:11 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343881/Presidents-aide-John-Wheeler-dead-Delaware-landfill-Police-admit-leads.html | 22:11 |
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| alterego | I didn't realise the milky way was only 15.69km across | 22:12 |
| maybeArgh | budget cuts | 22:12 |
| * SpeedEvil is reminded of 'the universe is a sphere of 583m in diameter' | 22:12 | |
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| SpeedEvil | From TNG | 22:12 |
| RST38h | yep | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | (I'm unsure of the exact diameter quoted) | 22:12 |
| RST38h | and the lab assistants have left. | 22:13 |
| SpeedEvil | 654m in diameter says google. | 22:13 |
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| RST38h | "He was the first chief executive of Mothers Against Drunk Driving" | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Am I the only one feeling uncomfortable when reading this sentence? | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It's no sillier than many other buisness sentances. | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | And all it means is that he was CEO. He just wasn't against drunk driving. | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Ah I see | 22:15 |
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| RST38h | Well, whatever he has been against, it managed to off him somewhere around Newark, DE country club and dump his corpse into a garbage bin. | 22:20 |
| ieatlint | see, it's even news in britain when an old white guy no one's ever heard of gets killed | 22:20 |
| maybeArgh | maybe somebody confused him with an E.T. NES cartridge | 22:21 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: Well, it is not just an old white guy, that is the point | 22:21 |
| BCMM | i wouldn't call the Daily Mail "news" | 22:21 |
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| ieatlint | RST38h: i stand by my description | 22:21 |
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| ieatlint | unless you want to claim even 1 in a thousand americans had heard of him prior to this | 22:21 |
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| RST38h | These do not get randomly killed, they get offed for reasons | 22:22 |
| BCMM | anyone can get randomly killed | 22:23 |
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| BCMM | could be a politically-motivated hit | 22:23 |
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| RST38h | Yes, and you can even suffocate if all oxygen atoms fly to the other end of your room | 22:24 |
| BCMM | could also be some random crazy person | 22:24 |
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| ieatlint | so the guy played a minor role in gw bush's administration several years ago, was against drunk driving, worked in 2 president's administrations about 20 years ago, and nearly 30 years ago... that's some hell of a premeditation | 22:25 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp, this is a better place to respond. | 22:25 |
| timeless_mbp | did you poke me here? | 22:26 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp, what addon? | 22:26 |
| ieatlint | there's no (announced) specific reason to think it was anything but random | 22:26 |
| RST38h | of course there is none | 22:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | it should have microb in its name.. | 22:26 |
| ieatlint | tens of thousands of people have worked in presidential administrations over the last 30 years... | 22:26 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp, didnt want to distract ppl in foss :) | 22:26 |
| ieatlint | odds are, it had nothing to do with it | 22:26 |
| RST38h | actually, the odds are it did, but anyway | 22:26 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp, is it in the repos? or do i search google? | 22:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i think it should be in the repos | 22:27 |
| * trumee fires up fapman | 22:27 | |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp, microb-engine-common-ext? | 22:30 |
| timeless_mbp | sounds good | 22:30 |
| timeless_mbp | what's it say? | 22:30 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp, cert and password manager for microb. | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | which is what you want? :) | 22:31 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp, crap, it hasn't made it to extras. | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: we're way too lazy to deal w/ that stuff | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | do an nmu | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | or whatever | 22:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | is it in -testing? | 22:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | if so, i can +1 it | 22:33 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp, nmu? | 22:33 |
| timeless_mbp | ~nmu | 22:33 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package | 22:33 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: good bot | 22:33 |
| infobot | :), timeless_mbp | 22:33 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp, http://maemo.org/packages/view/microb-engine-common-ext/ | 22:35 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp, hasnt made to testing yet | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: do an nmu | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: romaxa is unlikely to care enough about -testing/- | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | you could contact him first | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | (and probably should) | 22:36 |
| trumee | ok will do that. | 22:36 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 22:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | en-US: "Come here old man". translated to fi: "Tervetula" (welcome) | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it's technically a translation | 22:41 |
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| sig^ | google probably would do better | 22:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | err Tervetuloa (sorry for the typo) | 22:54 |
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| NIN101 | Where does maemo saves your inputs in input fields? For example, my TrueCrypt password is somewhere saved and this isn't that good :-) | 23:06 |
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| MohammadAG | there's an auto complete editor | 23:07 |
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| * RST38h watching 2009 StarTrek movie on the idiot box. Hopefully, the translator has been fired without pay and shot. | 23:09 | |
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| RST38h | Unless they used Google Translate or something. | 23:10 |
| rm_work | lol | 23:10 |
| rm_work | translator for? | 23:10 |
| rm_work | were there russian parts in that movie? | 23:10 |
| alterego | kindle only 111, might get one | 23:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not bad. | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I find the lack of a backlight annoing. | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe the lit cae would fix that. | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe my use-case is odd, but most of the time I read in the dark, to go to sleep. | 23:12 |
| alterego | Hrm, well, I wouldn't be getting it for a backlight. | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | And with the n900, I can simply put it down. | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | With the kindle, I have to fiddle with the light. | 23:13 |
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| RST38h | rm_work: Try translated it from English to Russian,with voiceovers | 23:13 |
| alterego | I'd like to know how well the N900 and it can interoperate, like, sharing PDFs between them etc. | 23:13 |
| rm_work | lol, dubbed in Russian? :P you know english just watch it in english | 23:13 |
| NIN101 | ok this is the file: /home/user/.osso/dictionaries/.personal.dictionary | 23:14 |
| RST38h | rm_work: It is the idiot box, Ido not have a choice | 23:14 |
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| rm_work | lol | 23:14 |
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| RST38h | rm_work: they actually even got the voices right, too bad the translator has not got a clue | 23:15 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, MADD is one of the more evil organizations out there. | 23:15 |
| RST38h | GAN: I wouldn't expect anything else from something headed by a Reagan/Bush advisor. | 23:15 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, wrong reason. | 23:16 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Maybe, but a good heuristic nevertheless | 23:16 |
| GAN900 | Meh | 23:17 |
| GAN900 | Democrats are just as corrupt. | 23:17 |
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| RST38h | GAN: No argument here. | 23:17 |
| RST38h | GAN: They are just corrupt *differently* :) | 23:18 |
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| GAN900 | Republicans think you're evil, Democrats think you're stupid. ;) | 23:18 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Republicans also think you are their cattle | 23:19 |
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| GAN900 | No, they both do. | 23:19 |
| RST38h | GAN: Democrats probably think so too, justnot as openly | 23:19 |
| GAN900 | On-topic, who's thinking about trying to make the May conference? | 23:20 |
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| * RST38h made a nice little CPU emulation compiler | 23:21 | |
| GAN900 | We need another mini Summit. | 23:21 |
| RST38h | GAN: Maybe. May is so far away... | 23:21 |
| RST38h | GAN: We need a device. Until we have a device, these summits won't be much fun | 23:21 |
| GAN900 | True enough. | 23:22 |
| RST38h | They will basically be missing on two groups out of three (i.e. users and app developers) | 23:22 |
| GAN900 | Although getting together to drink and moan is reasonably cathartic. | 23:22 |
| RST38h | I do not think we need a summit for that :) | 23:22 |
| GAN900 | Yes, but then the drinks are free. :P | 23:23 |
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| crashanddie_ | drink and moan? | 23:27 |
| crashanddie_ | I might have understood that the wrong way | 23:27 |
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| * trumee another dev leaving, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=912241&postcount=297 | 23:34 | |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, drink and complain, weirdo. | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | lmao | 23:37 |
| GAN900 | trumee, old news. | 23:37 |
| GAN900 | trumee, and one is hardly surprised. ;) | 23:37 |
| trumee | GAN900, k | 23:38 |
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| RST38h | YOu can complain on tmo =) | 23:38 |
| GAN900 | Those of us who've been punished from the beginning have been punished a lot. | 23:38 |
| GAN900 | hrw more than many. | 23:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | nice | 23:43 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: so... my ideapad's wifi is broken | 23:43 |
| timeless_mbp | the troubleshooter temporarily showed [ Cancel ] [ Cancel ] | 23:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh cute | 23:44 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a hardware switch on the side of the computer | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | the trouble shooter mentions it, but only if you go into details | 23:45 |
| crashanddie_ | worst part is the few projects that are active now get yelled and trolled for trying to do something... | 23:48 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm thinking I'll just get an iPad or Android tablet and dev on that | 23:48 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm sure there's projects I can contribute to | 23:48 |
| crashanddie_ | really, now I'm just waiting to see if MeeGo will live up to the hype | 23:48 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900: what May conf? | 23:49 |
| trumee | crashanddie, yelled and trolled at tmo? | 23:49 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, in SF. | 23:49 |
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| crashanddie_ | trumee: in the Ask Council thread, the trollfest was moved out of that thread into its own | 23:50 |
| crashanddie_ | trumee: new thread URL: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67905 | 23:50 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: probably too far for me, you going? | 23:50 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: for once you won't need a passport | 23:50 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, probably. | 23:50 |
| GAN900 | Maybe even if I can't get sponsorship. | 23:50 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, stenny and Matan? | 23:51 |
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| GAN900 | Hardly worth worrying about the state of the community over. | 23:51 |
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| GAN900 | Besides, where are the cool people in Android/iOS. :P | 23:51 |
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| crashanddie_ | 800euros round trip | 23:53 |
| crashanddie_ | might be worth it | 23:53 |
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| crashanddie_ | do we have dates? | 23:53 |
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| GAN900 | Believe so. | 23:54 |
| ieatlint | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011 | 23:54 |
| ieatlint | may 23 - 25 | 23:54 |
| crashanddie_ | heh | 23:55 |
| crashanddie_ | i'd spend my bday in a plane? | 23:55 |
| GAN900 | lol | 23:56 |
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| ieatlint | or fly a day earlier? | 23:57 |
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| crashanddie_ | 26th is my bday :P | 23:57 |
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| crashanddie_ | 600euro round trip | 23:57 |
| ieatlint | /later | 23:57 |
| ieatlint | :P | 23:57 |
| crashanddie_ | ieatlint: well, thanks to Nointel, 23-25 is like mid week | 23:57 |
| crashanddie_ | so I'd lose a whole week of holidays | 23:58 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: I'll think about it | 23:58 |
| ieatlint | there'll be good beer | 23:59 |
| crashanddie_ | in SF? | 23:59 |
| crashanddie_ | Nowai | 23:59 |
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