IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-01-04

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DocScrutinizergrrrr partial eclipse and 100% probability for 100% fog :-(00:01
javispedroyeah :(00:02
javispedrocloudy here00:02
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: who's admin of
BCMMDocScrutinizer: partial eclipse where?00:04
GAN900DocScrutinizer, I am.00:04
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: so couldn't you open a FTP access to the http/ directory? (maybe it's marginally more complex than that)00:05
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, ah, software admin, not box admin.00:06
GAN900dneary should have the access for that.00:06
DocScrutinizerany way to dl raw wiki data would be great00:06
DocScrutinizerspidering it with wget is a major PITA, regarding all the special pages and whatnot00:07
DocScrutinizerWTF! duh00:08
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DocScrutinizererrr, doesn't support wildcards? ;-D00:09
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* DocScrutinizer scratches head00:10
* javispedro too00:10
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DocScrutinizer<<The backup script dumpBackup.php dumps all the wiki pages into an XML file. dumpBackup.php only works on MediaWiki 1.5 or newer. You need to have direct access to the server to run this script. <<00:12
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Venemobb guys00:16
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javispedrook, now I know what "-r" option in rfcomm is for.00:26
javispedrothanks, DocScrutinizer (re tty line discipline)00:26
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DocScrutinizeryw, pleased to help00:27
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, got an N900?00:31
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timeless_xchatxchat = n90000:34
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timeless_xchatonly one atm00:34
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, latest "nightly" should be working00:36
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timeless_xchatmaybe best to ping me in an hour00:38
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lardmanevening chaps00:42
lardmanso qtm 1.1, do we have any thoughts for how long it might be before it ends up in Extras?00:42
lardmanqt mobility00:43
timeless_xchatif i cared, i'd poke an sdk or qt person00:44
* timeless_xchat doesn't00:44
timeless_xchatmohammad: hit me w/ a link00:44
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lardmantimeless_xchat: I think it's more of a community ssu question00:45
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lardmanis ssu the right work, no idea00:45
timeless_xchatthat isn't extras. no?00:45
* SpeedEvil imagines lardman saying that in a Father Jack voice.00:45
lardmanwell I've got vino on the go, I guess he's more of a spirits sort of chap ;)00:46
timeless_xchathrm, windows update installed mse100:46
timeless_xchatshould i give up?00:46
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javispedrogive up already00:46
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javispedrotbh yesterday I set up wvista on a machine and wupdate offered me mse200:47
timeless_xchatdid you take it?00:47
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SpeedEvilAh - the joy of seeing your bugs be wontfixed. Meh.00:48
jacekowskiwhat now?00:48
povbotBug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places)00:48
timeless_xchatspeedevil, just wait for when your bug's deleted00:48
SpeedEvilAdmittedly, it's not a hugely serious bug - but it annoys me.00:48
lardmanyeah, I just got a notification for that one too00:48
satmdwhat a stupid bug00:49
jacekowskithat can be fixed probably00:49
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andre__I still prefer a WONTFIX to silence. ;-/00:49
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lardmanandre__: true, thanks for kicking people :)00:50
SpeedEvilandre: indeed00:50
andre__well... could be better. :-/00:50
timeless_xchatwhat's the current latest sp for vista?00:50
* lardman skipped Vista thankfully00:51
SpeedEvilandre: I would have preferred the WONTFIXes a couple of months after the report, but yes.00:51
timeless_xchatjavispedro, thanks00:51
timeless_xchatok, so. i don't get it00:51
andre__SpeedEvil: me too... I do hope this will change for MeeGo.00:51
timeless_xchati have wVsp200:51
SpeedEvilWith meego it will be all better!00:52
timeless_xchatwhy didn't i get mse2 from wu?00:52
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andre__SpeedEvil: not all. but some stuff ;-)00:52
SpeedEvilThere will also be a NINJAS bug resolution.00:52
timeless_xchatvery funny00:52
javispedrotimeless_xchat: you have to check the "I want new Microsoft software" in wupdate00:52
javispedrowhatever that checkbox is called00:52
andre__SpeedEvil, usecase?00:52
lardmanNo Income No Job No Assets?00:53
SpeedEvilandre: Ninjas were dispatched to the reporter, to fix the bug.00:53
timeless_xchatjavispedro,  i had "recommended updates", "microsoft update", and "software notifications" checked00:53
lardmanwell that's why the replies take so long, the ninjas killed the maintainers00:53
andre__SpeedEvil, that's not a resolution but still a waiting for fix (assigned) state00:53
timeless_xchatthe only item unchecked was "who can install"00:53
javispedrodunno, maybe it's a region issue00:54
andre__I wonder where RESOLVED NINJAS it would fit in Nokia's 30 pages "Bug life cycle" guidelines that prove perfectly that common sense cannot be expected in this world00:54
timeless_xchati sure hope not... but maybe00:54
timeless_xchatandre: *sigh*00:55
javispedrotimeless_xchat: can't you install it without wu?00:55
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timeless_xchatjavispedro : the last time i tried that, i ended up w/o any av for a week00:55
SpeedEvilandre: I assume above document isn't public?00:55
* timeless_xchat is now a bit reluctant00:55
javispedroah, the joy :)00:55
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timeless_xchatspeedevil : it's probably a .ppt00:56
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andre__SpeedEvil: of course not, it's unbelievably confidential!!!00:56
timeless_xchatandre: hey, 30 pages ain't bad00:56
andre__yes, other specs have 200...00:57
timeless_xchatthe browser ui spec used to be >300 pages00:57
keriotimeless_xchat: 300 pages for *that*?00:57
kerioer, i mean00:57
keriogood job!00:57
timeless_xchatkerio: for diablo or maybe chinook or the one before00:57
lardmanah the wonders of the ui spes that said scrolling up/down a menu with the arrow keys could not jump to the top when you tried to scroll off the bottom and vice versa00:58
timeless_xchatthe biggest accomplishment of our ui designer was getting it down to around 100 pages00:58
andre__you need billions of pages to define every fscking single feature behavior foolproofly, and fail trying of course00:58
timeless_xchatlardman: arrow key behavior in maemo generally sucked00:58
timeless_xchatandre: absolutely!00:59
timeless_xchatlardman : but the specification clearly said not to do anything else00:59
timeless_xchatany divergence from it is a bug00:59
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lardmanI know, and I was told the spec could not be changed as it had been designed by an expert00:59
lardmanand I was but a mere user :)01:00
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kerioan "expert"?01:00
lardmanwell someone who was paid at least ;)01:01
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lardmanbut this was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, in the time of the 770. I'm sure things are different now01:02
crashanddie_lardman: last time a customer told me they wouldn't change specific requirements provided by their experts, simply pointing out that I charged as much per day as that person per month usually gave me an (erroneous) advantage01:03
lardmanAh, but my advice was foc01:03
GAN900lardman, yes, now you're just a chump. :P01:03
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lardmanindeed :)01:03
crashanddie_without a job?01:03
lardmanI don't get paid to tell Nokia what I think they should change about the 770 UI design, no01:04
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: it's camera-ui doing that tagging?01:04
crashanddie_"A would-be suicide jumper in New York was alive on Monday after leaping from a ninth-floor window but landing in a giant heap of garbage uncollected since the city's massive snowstorm a week ago."01:04
MohammadAGdon't expect lots of functionality01:04
GAN900lardman, but it's OK, you're in good company.01:05
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lardmanGAN900: I know :)01:05
lardmancrashanddie_: a fate worse than death perhaps? ;)01:05
jacekowskiMohammadAG: is source available?01:05
lardmanjacekowski: yes or something spawned by it to save the jpeg anyway01:06
lardmans/anyway/perhaps not having looked01:06
MohammadAGjacekowski, gitorious01:06
MohammadAGjacekowski, it still lacks mafw source, so again, don't expect a lot01:06
MohammadAGbut the UI is almost complete01:06
MohammadAGand the FMTX dialog is 100% cloned01:07
timeless_xchatooh, it starts!01:07
timeless_xchatmohammadag: can you make the about text static?01:08
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MohammadAGslow startup is not due to Qt being slow, but the fact that it populates the list without tracker for now01:08
timeless_xchatright now, i can select it, which is silly01:08
MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, that's not final01:08
MohammadAGat all01:08
timeless_xchatmohammadag: sure01:08
MohammadAGIt's just something to suppress a bug in Qt01:08
timeless_xchati'm just noting things01:08
MohammadAG(there has to be a menubar on each window, otherwise the mainwindow will show the stacked window's menubar)01:09
MohammadAGso I added an About button01:09
timeless_xchatthe main view says "0 songs", that's a placeholder?01:09
MohammadAGwhich reminds me01:09
MohammadAGI need to add a quick way to update that01:09
timeless_xchatdoes it play music?01:09
MohammadAGmore of an oversized widget now01:10
MohammadAGi.e it can control the current mafw playlist01:10
timeless_xchatthe volume button has a square pressed state01:10
MohammadAGand renderer01:10
timeless_xchatwhich feels broken01:10
MohammadAGthe ones started by the stock mediaplayer01:10
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MohammadAGit is a square button01:10
timeless_xchatopen a music file01:10
timeless_xchatshuffle and repeat have round pressed states01:11
MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, what did you mean by the square state?01:11
MohammadAGit's a toolButton01:11
MohammadAGcan easily switch it to a QPushButton01:11
MohammadAGshould I?01:11
timeless_xchatthe real media player doesn't do pressed this way at all01:12
timeless_xchatit does a glow state01:12
timeless_xchatroughly painting the icon with a color01:12
lardmans/real and impossible to patch01:12
lardmans/real/ impossible to patch01:12
timeless_xchatinstead of changing the button face01:12
timeless_xchathold on01:12
MohammadAGit uses an icon01:12
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, it uses ShufflePressed.png01:13
MohammadAG(the stock player)01:13
timeless_xchatok, so image viewer uses pressed state01:13
timeless_xchatjust like your volume button01:13
MohammadAGand microB :P01:13
timeless_xchatum, no?01:14
timeless_xchatok, baseline:01:14
MohammadAGyeah, microB uses tool buttons too01:14
timeless_xchatn900, pr1.3, enus.2, digital nature01:14
MohammadAGah, I'm using Nokia Nseries01:14
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, the mainwindow was themed orange right?01:15
timeless_xchatplease switch to digital nature for a bit?01:15
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timeless_xchatusing square pressed buttons (image viewer, microb)01:16
MohammadAGmy device isn't the fastest N900 I've seen :P01:16
timeless_xchat(your media player: prev, play, next, volume )01:16
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MohammadAGk, /me notes bug01:17
timeless_xchatuses rounded buttons: your media player (shuffle, repeat)01:17
MohammadAGlook at the album art01:17
MohammadAGat the reflection01:17
MohammadAGit's black01:17
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timeless_xchatuses glowing glyphs: nokia media player01:17
MohammadAGI should be using the theme's colour01:17
MohammadAGI know I know :)01:17
timeless_xchatum, i hate nseries01:17
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MohammadAGthe nokia mediaplayer uses two icons01:17
MohammadAGone for released, and one for pressed01:18
MohammadAGI've yet to add that01:18
timeless_xchatyou have to pay me to switch even ... by the minute!01:18
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lardmantimeless_xchat: wip01:19
timeless_xchatoh, i have reasonable rates. 0.02$/minute01:19
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timeless_xchatrounded to the nearest dime :)01:19
* SpeedEvil pays for timeless_xchat to switch, for 3 minutes at a time every 181 seconds.01:20
timeless_xchatspeedevil : you'd lose big01:20
timeless_xchatthe nearest dime for 3 minutes is 1 dime01:21
lardmanand while switched he must continually listen to Justin Bieber on the new media player01:21
SpeedEvilnearest is 001:21
SpeedEvilI thought a dime was 25 cents01:21
SpeedEviloh well.01:21
timeless_xchatthat's a quarter!01:21
* timeless_xchat sends speedevil to kindergarten 01:22
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lardmansilly currency anyway01:22
timeless_xchaterr, even the euro has dimes01:22
GAN900Hey, at least it isn't all stupid colors.01:22
lardmanalso a silly currency :D01:22
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timeless_xchatmonopoly money!01:22
lardmanGAN900: you've got nothing there, all the same size and colo(u)r, must loose so much money out in clubs01:23
javispedroI have too much monopoly money01:23
GAN900lardman, you guys must be happy you didn't switch.01:23
lardmanGAN900: absolutely01:23
GAN900lardman, nah, natives can tell the difference no problem.01:23
MohammadAGlardman, don't make me add a if{songMetadata.contains("Justin Bieber")); exit(wtf.toInt);01:23
timeless_xchatmohammadag: ok, it seems like my initial problem was just that your player is slower to start playing music than nokia's01:23
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lardmanMohammadAG: I think that's a good idea, in fact an entire blacklist.txt to parse might be a good one01:23
MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, I could get rid of the function that scans the eMMC for songs, for benchmarking purposes01:24
lardmanGAN900: hmm :)01:24
MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, again, it does a find -name *.mp3 in MyDocs01:24
timeless_xchatmohammadag: do i want to know why that's relevant?01:24
MohammadAGit doesn't query tracker (yet)01:24
timeless_xchatdoes it do this on the ui thread?01:24
MohammadAGyes, cause find takes more time than a "cat"01:25
MohammadAGthis is just a placeholder till crashanddie integrates mafw01:25
MohammadAGwhen that's done, we'll move it to a separate QThread01:25
timeless_xchatwhen does it get album art?01:25
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timeless_xchator is that mafw?01:25
MohammadAGI already added that in01:26
MohammadAGplay a song with album art in the stock mediaplayer01:26
MohammadAGit's already connected to mafw renderer01:26
lardmanhmm, does mafw supply the album art?01:26
lardmanah ok01:26
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timeless_xchat... i'd like to see the art for the song i've tapped01:26
timeless_xchateven if i haven't asked it to play01:27
MohammadAGthat's mafw ;)01:27
GAN900lardman, continentals always complain about it here. I just don't get it.01:27
timeless_xchatsame as w/ real media01:27
MohammadAGlardman, surprisingly, it copies the album art to /tmp01:27
MohammadAGyes yes, that's mafw timeless_xchat01:27
lardmanGAN900: accept that it would be easier at least01:27
timeless_xchatyou pick up a cd/jewel case01:27
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timeless_xchatlook at cover, and then play01:27
lardmanMohammadAG: I guess that's because it might be on network storage01:27
timeless_xchatmohammadag: how is this mafw?01:27
lardmantimeless_xchat: mafw should supply it I think is the point, once it's all hooked up01:28
MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, mafw supplies song lists, you populate the list with those, when you select a song, I can request the image01:28
MohammadAGmafw is two (or three?) parts, mafw renderer, mafw source, and mafw playlist01:28
MohammadAGonly mafw renderer is implemented atm01:29
MohammadAGnicolai added basic support for mafw source, but that's not upstream - yet01:29
MohammadAGlardman, nope, MyDocs01:29
lardmanMohammadAG: yeah in your case, but I was just thinking why bother with the extra copy rather than using the actual file01:30
timeless_xchattrying to upgrade mse to mse2 broke it again01:30
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MohammadAGlardman, no idea, it always does it01:30
MohammadAGactually, /var/tmp01:30
MohammadAGcheck it, you'll have a mafw-*.jpeg file there01:30
lardmanMohammadAG: just seems somewhat inefficient01:30
MohammadAGimo, it's very inefficient01:32
MohammadAGoh well01:32
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timeless_xchatok, i give up01:34
timeless_xchatthis computer is running mse (not mse2), and that's better than nothing01:35
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timeless_xchatmohammadag: can you add a now playing button to the home view?01:36
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timeless_xchatnokia's used the spinning disc/broken audio graph to get there01:37
timeless_xchattotally unintuitive/broken01:37
timeless_xchatbut better than nothing01:37
SpeedEvilAlso - on random - some way back to the album view would be nice01:38
SpeedEvilif you support albums01:38
timeless_xchatalso, you might want to read about copyright01:38
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, indeed, I want one too01:39
MohammadAGbut why copyright?01:39
timeless_xchathrm, nokia's media player has 26 songs01:39
timeless_xchatoh, ... for mozilla, we removed a bunch of copyright statements01:40
timeless_xchatthey screw up royally w/ localization01:40
timeless_xchati'll get a bug reference for you later01:40
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, can you check the fmtx dialog?01:41
MohammadAGit's a rewrite01:41
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MohammadAGNowPlayingWindow -> tap title bar01:42
timeless_xchatwhy do you only show 9 songs?01:42
timeless_xchatbad padding on "Frequency"01:43
MohammadAGI only show MP3s, I already said this isn't mafw01:44
timeless_xchatyour range is bigger than system (87 v. 88)01:44
timeless_xchatspace between left button edge and the "F" in Frequency01:45
MohammadAGblame the Maemo Qt team :P01:46
timeless_xchatfile a bug01:46
timeless_xchatit's your job as a dev to complain to your widget provider when it gives you crappy widgets01:47
javispedroit's the widget provider's job to wontfix them!01:48
timeless_xchatand then you should consider working around or fixing the issue upstream01:48
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keriojavispedro: once they do that you have an excuse to get really drunk and violent01:48
timeless_xchatjavispedro : they can't do their job until you file a bug!01:48
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MohammadAGwasn't this whole project a result of a bug being wontfixed? :P01:52
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sanovai would like to discuss an alternative mirror for easy-debian images. Now download is too slow. Is it possible?02:15
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timeless_mbpMohammadAG:  is an explanation of why using copyright... makes no sense02:21
povbotBug 536336: was not found.02:21
timeless_mbpyes dumb bot02:21
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lolloohow do you give bot a cookie to eat?02:28
infobotHey lolloo, port 223 is cdc - Certificate Distribution Center02:29
infobotmethinks cracker is defined at
infobotthanks, nox-02:31
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infobotaw, gee, kerio02:31
kerio^_^ so cute02:31
infobotlolloo: aw, gee02:32
infobotkerio: :)02:32
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DocScrutinizerI told her she'll get fat on too much snacks02:32
kerioDocScrutinizer: :(02:33
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GeneralAntilleslardman: I already know my currency. Learning a new one isn't "easier". :P02:39
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GeneralAntillesluke-jr: creeper.02:40
lardmanimagine being a 10 year old and choosing between lots of green notes which are all the same size and colour, and only have different numbers on them, vs different size and colour notes02:40
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GeneralAntillesSize would make me crazy.02:41
GeneralAntillesBesides, the designs are way different.02:41
* lardman thinks, apart from the USA-bashing, that different sizes and colours is easier02:41
lardmansure but still hard when it's dark/dim lighting02:41
lardmanwhich sounds quite bad :)02:41
derfI find the different sizes make it harder to fold into a neat wad in my pocket.02:42
derfBut I understand that might be less of a concern than being able to tell bills apart at all if you're blind.02:42
lardmanderf: that is certainly true, but we're talking about differentiating between notes here02:42
lardmans/blind/blind drunk02:42
lardmanbit of a difference between $10 and $100 ;)02:43
derfNo one over here uses bills over $20.02:43
derfWell, not real people anyway.02:43
lardmanah well perhaps that's my problem being a tourist02:43
alteregoDo we have a GPS cellid logger yet?02:43
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lardmanat least i can tell the $1 notes apart as they are almost falling apart normally02:44
alteregoActually ..02:44
alteregoErm, yeah, do we?02:45
MohammadAGwhat's a cellid logger got to do with GPS?02:45
alteregoIt would allow us to ascertain the location of cells02:45
alteregoSo we can catalog cell towers with rough gps coverage02:46
MohammadAGhmm, strace the location daemon? :P02:46
lardmanspeaking of cellids, this was interesting to read, I hope it doesn't damage the reputation of opensource phones:
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alteregolardman: I've actually just bought a phone compatible with osmocombb02:46
alteregolardman: reminds me of the days when you could pick up your neighbours phone calls with a simple receiver :D02:47
SpeedEvilyou still can02:47
SpeedEvildecoding them is harder02:48
alteregoSure, I meant analog, before dect :P02:48
alteregoHell, you could do the same to the first cell phones iirc02:48
alteregoThat were analog right?02:48
alteregoJust cell enabled walky talkies basically.02:48
nox-dect can be mitm'd too...02:48
alteregonox-: I don't doubt, and I bet it's well easy.02:49
alteregoThis on the other hand puts the ability of anyone with the will into basically being able to track anyone by their phone number.02:49
lardmanhmm, /me realises he doesn't actually have tomorrow off work, bed time02:49
lardmannight chaps02:49
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alteregoAnd with a bit more money/effort they'd be able to listen into peoples calls live and receive their sms messages for about 2k02:50
alteregoWhich is pennies ..02:50
* MohammadAG wants an open source N900 modem driver :P02:50
alteregoWont work with 3G calls though02:51
nox-and then there was that other talk about baseband gsm security holes...02:51
SpeedEvilalterego: 3G jammer02:51
SpeedEvilmost carriers have 2g/3g02:51
MohammadAGalterego, most people I know are 2G02:51
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MohammadAGand by most I mean only 2 or 3 have 3G02:52
alteregoIt'll be interesting to see if this is the beginning of surge of cellular security.02:52
alteregoBecause 3G is basically just a stage up from 2G and a lot of the tech is identical.02:52
MohammadAGand 4G is a stage up from 3G? :P02:52
* alterego writes a plugin for columbus to do cellid logging02:52
pupnikthis is good02:53
MohammadAGthe matrix is collapsing02:53
alteregopupnik: ?02:53
nox-oh and there was one about gsm geolocation and android security too (which also had a way to query google apis to get locations of cellids)02:53
pupniksince governments track people by their phones, people should be able to track phones as well02:53
alteregonox-: yeah, I was thinking we could do the same with ovi maps ;)02:53
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MohammadAGovi, haha02:53
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alteregoWell, at least for me, ovi maps seems to be able to coarse locate me by cellid straight away ..02:54
alteregoIt's how the agps works02:54
pupniksince the privacy battle is lost.  let's support the openness battle02:54
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alteregopupnik: :D02:54
nox-mh :)02:54
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alteregoHey, I'm all for it, if we could blow open the cellular network then maybe the system and handsets could just evolve into computers.02:55
alteregoUsing SIP and such over the mobile carrier and effectively turn the GSM/Â3G etc networks into wifi hotspots ;)02:55
pupnikyes, like that - somehow.02:55
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alteregoI also read today about a CUDA accelerated WPA/2 brute force cracker.02:57
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SpeedEvilwpa2 passphrase cracker?02:58
pupnik"Juniper said that one Fortune 15 company discovered that 5% - or 25,000 - of its mobile devices were infected with malware."02:58
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alteregoSpeedEvil: PSK yeah02:58
nox-mobile devices include windows laptops?02:58
alteregonox-: I'd imagine that was their entire stat ;)02:59
ds3stop relying on L2 encryption02:59
alteregods3: ?02:59
nox-djb's talk was also... interesting03:00
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ds3alterego: encrypt on the app level... screw WPA/WEP and all the other crap03:02
ds3remember you are on a broadcast network; encrypt your apps03:03
nox-(he basically proposed an encrypted tcp replacement on top of udp together with dnscurve to replace https)03:03
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alteregods3: I agree with that from a personal security perspective, my comms are usually sent through socks to a remote server. But that doesn't stop people breaking your wifis03:04
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alteregobtw, just got the ephemeris data and full transaction dump to
alteregoShould have cellid query in that and lat lon somewhere.03:05
MohammadAGCUDA, isn't that NVidia?03:05
* alterego pokes.03:05
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alteregoMohammadAG: yes, it's a parallel/vector processing language kind of C like03:05
MohammadAGit's a language? o_O03:06
MohammadAGI thought it was some feature in their gfx cards03:06
alteregoIt makes parallel computations extremely efficient and allows you to write computationally intesive code on your graphics cards GPU03:06
alteregoMohammadAG: it is03:06
DocScrutinizerhmm, both?03:06
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MohammadAGhow does a GPU help crack a WPA?03:07
alteregoBecause you can use it for number crunching03:07
alteregoAnd it's a lot better at doing it than your CPU03:08
alteregoIt's basically a parallel processing set of FP DSP cores03:08
alteregoIt's the future maaaan.03:08
alteregoModern GPUs have >512 cores iirc03:09
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alteregoThink I've got it.03:12
infoboti heard @ is where it's at03:13
alteregoErm, think I've cracked it ;)03:13
MohammadAGalterego, do you think something like the nokia mediaplayer's bottom right spinning animated widget would be better done with QTimer or a timeline thingy?03:17
alteregoA timer03:18
MohammadAGwas thinking of making it pop up like the buttons in columbus too :P03:18
alteregoWell, it's supposed to be an indicator, so I wouldn't :P03:19
MohammadAGhmm, good point03:20
MohammadAGnoticed that nokia's mediaplayer make an instance of it on each window03:21
MohammadAGI wonder if there's a flag in Qt so it's always visible on all windows03:21
pupnikthis would be cool -  archos a70s plus psion netbook keyboard - in a leather case03:26
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* alterego wonders if he's killed
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DocScrutinizermaybe "killed" you03:44
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MohammadAGhe looks alive to me03:45
MohammadAGunless they killed his alter ego03:45
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ssyleehas anyone here encountered a situation with their nokia internet tablet's LCD being damaged?03:47
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comawhitei wish there was a console version of sms04:04
comawhitesince I can ssh in to my phone04:04
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MohammadAGthere is one on tmo04:05
MohammadAGit's in python04:05
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comawhitethank you04:06
pupnikthat was 15 seconds with google.  you should be kicked04:07
comawhiteanal much?04:07
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pupnikit helps to not be a lazy idiot, comawhite04:08
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comawhitei wasn't dildo04:08
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comawhitei did n900 console sms dur04:09
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alteregoWell, I've implemented the start of routing infrastructure into Columbus04:12
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alteregoJust need to create some forms for creating chains of waypoints to create a route manually.04:12
alteregoThen V1 RC1 will be ready.04:12
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nox-you're writing another mapping app?04:13
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alteregonox-: nope04:14
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alteregonox-: well, not until V2 ..04:14
alteregoIt's more in the vein of a handheld GPS04:14
alteregoIt's not meant to be a Tom Tom replacement or anything, there's plenty of those ..04:14
nox-i c04:15
alteregoBut inevitably, in the future I will probably add some mapping capability, as that seems to be what everyone wants.04:16
alteregoThen I guess it can join all those other lame mapping applications.04:16
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nox-cloudgps doesnt look too bad (unless you want routing)04:17
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alteregoOh yeah, my maps will definitely be hw accelerated ;)04:18
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alteregoI also want to use SRTM data04:18
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DocScrutinizerummm dead birds falling out of the skies in Arkansas? :-o04:20
nox-yeah and 3.something quake in uk...04:21
DocScrutinizerdamn what strange tests is US army running?04:21
alteregoDon't forget those fish in ark too04:22
alteregoAnd the floods in Australia04:22
alteregoAnd the blizzards in the deep south :D04:22
DocScrutinizerfloods in Australia aren't really exciting04:22
alteregoNeah, they get all the excitement,04:22
alteregoFloods, fires blah04:22
alteregoThough, Moscow had fires aswell :/04:23
DocScrutinizerbut 1000s of birds falling out of the sky dead, it's a bit strange04:23
nox-that it is04:23
alteregoYeah, and apparently the fish too.04:23
pupnikonce hundreds of fish fell out of the sky near my house.   a waterspout sucked them up from a lake04:24
alteregoQuite common, fish raining.04:24
alteregoHappened in London once.04:24
DocScrutinizerwonder in which lake such a spout could suck up dead birds :-P04:24
alteregoMaybe it was the oil spill ;)04:25
DocScrutinizerohh yeah04:25
nox-or hail?04:25
alteregoPossibly ../04:25
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> but 1000s of birds falling out of the sky dead, it's a bit strange04:26
radecyeah just heard that on npr04:27
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DocScrutinizeryou'd think hail of the size needed to instantly kill birds would have been noticed on ground level04:28
nox-i could have melted further down into rain...04:29
radecDocScrutinizer, lol04:29
nox-err it04:29
radecyou would think04:29
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DocScrutinizerneeds a damn hot hairdryer to melt a hail grain^H^H ball of the size to kill a bird, on its way down from 2000, maybe 3000m to ground04:30
nox-yeah maybe...04:31
alteregoIt's pretty unlikely tbh :P04:31
nox-but what else could it have been?04:31
alteregoMore likely static electricity from the clouds just killed them all.04:31
DocScrutinizerradar or other microwave sounds more plausible to me04:32
DocScrutinizeror poison04:32
DocScrutinizerwhen if not at new year's fireworks you could fire a rocket with some antrax or dunno what, and nobody would notice04:33
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DocScrutinizerwell, new year is a few days ago04:33
radecnpr said there was loud explosion type sounds heard and then the birds which was a type that normally nest at night started flying around and running into things and dying from internal bleeding from hitting things so hard.04:34
MohammadAGaren't they from angry birds?04:34
DocScrutinizerradec: sounds odd04:35
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alteregoHah, yeah, all the birds that fall in the name of duty killing those bitch pigs suddenly materialised ontop of ark04:36
MohammadAGI bet that wasn't a 3 star round then04:37
alteregoWell, if it was I'm sure there'd be more than a few thousand.04:37
alteregoWasn't it all one particular breed of bird as well?04:38
alteregoLike it is with the fish?04:38
MohammadAGangry fish, hmm, rovio need to up their game04:38
DocScrutinizeralterego: not from the 3s video on TV04:38
* alterego remembers James Pond04:39
DocScrutinizerlooked like 2 or 3 different kind of birds on that street, with not really so much nearby where a bird could run into at night04:39
alteregoHrm, m'kay04:39
alteregoI'm sure it's some kind of poison in the food chain.04:39
alteregoPossibly water.04:40
DocScrutinizeryeah, activated by a special detonation sound04:40
alteregoSeems like the most likely explaination to me, but then, I guess we'll find out after they properly examine the birds.04:40
alteregoActivated by electric hail stones actually :P04:40
DocScrutinizerlet's see what wikileaks will tell us about it in 2 years XD04:40
alteregoCreated by bitch pigs :D04:40
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nox-if picard had known... :)04:44
* DocScrutinizer thinks about a modified EMP bomb (detonator-coppercylinder-type), fitted to a microwave emitter to convert the detonation's energy in last copper winding (MegaAmps, KV)04:45
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alteregoFor some insane reason I'm thinking of implementing a DBUS API for Columbus ..04:50
DocScrutinizerto do what?04:51
alteregoTo signal certain events happening, like a waypoint being created/updated/deleted or reached.04:51
DocScrutinizer(not that a proper dbus api is anything bad at all - I just remember the times where almost all my apps had a REXX interface)04:51
alteregoWell, it'd be useful if I wanted to make libcolumbus into a service.04:52
DocScrutinizerI personally prefer scripting hooks, but yeah04:52
alteregoThen have the UI talk through DBUS, kind of like how mafw and media player work.04:53
DocScrutinizer(hooks) an execve() is the most generic communication interface you could have, I think. Assuming you pass the proper arguments04:55
alteregoNot sure what you mean.04:55
DocScrutinizersystem("", waypoint-id, context-id, foo, bar)04:56
DocScrutinizerfor dbus you could call dbus-send in waypoint-reached.sh04:57
DocScrutinizerif you have a system without dbus, you can easily modify to your new needs04:58
alteregoWhy don't I just create 'waypoint-reached.d' and call run parts :P04:58
kerionot enuff redirection04:58
alteregoRight, I can see that.04:58
alteregoBut I'm not going to be running on a device that doesn't have dbus.04:59
DocScrutinizeryeah, of course. Always a question of design goals04:59
alteregoNot to mention, that's not portable to symbian or windows04:59
DocScrutinizerumm, not?05:00
kerioclearly we need a running daemon that takes messages and dispatches them05:00
keriowe could call it dbus05:00
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DocScrutinizeryou're not generally interested in a uniform anonymous messaging, not always05:02
alteregoffs, how do you get lat/lon from google maps05:03
DocScrutinizeresp on small clearly defines systems it's usually cruft05:03
DocScrutinizerthough otoh e.g CANBUS is exactly that05:05
kerioyeah, it would be as stupid as using a full-fledged sw audio mixer that has performance problems on desktop computers on a phone05:06
keriono :<05:06
nox-alterego, upper right corner above the map, `Link'?05:06
kerioi srsly mad05:06
alteregonox-: yeah, using that :/05:09
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alteregoCool, that werked05:11
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alteregoHeh, I might write a small tool that allows you to paste in google may urls and it creates waypoints.05:13
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alteregoI'm gonna miss conboy05:29
alteregoI might hack together a Qt clone05:30
* alterego chuckles05:30
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DocScrutinizer51heh, reading maemo info center with microb is a ROYAL PITA05:43
Arkenoialterego, what's wrong with conboy?05:44
Arkenoi(btw desktop tomboy sucks badly)05:45
alteregoArkenoi: it's not ready for MeeGo or HArmatten/Meego05:45
DocScrutinizer51(""this website optimized for ms explorer, as we thought if you could browse here using linux then you probably wouldn't need to come here at all"")05:45
alteregoAnd it's one of my most used apps on the N900 currently.05:45
alteregoI'd very much miss it :(05:45
Arkenoialterego, sounds bad, not because of conboy exactly but just as indication we have broken apis there. what exactly prevents it from being run there?05:46
alteregoconboy is Gtk, MeeGo and Harmatten are Qt05:46
alteregoHence me thinking of knocking up a QtBoy ;)05:46
DocScrutinizer51thought as much05:47
Arkenoialterego, i've been told there still will be gtk on meego, at least in n9 release, is it wrong? if yes, it damn sucks05:48
alteregoIt'll be available as much as it may be in the repo to be used as a dep05:48
Arkenoi(as a legacy api but still present)05:48
alteregoBut it wont be integrated with the system or compositor.05:48
alteregoSo there's no way to know how well Gtk apps will work.05:48
Arkenoialterego, does it really make things different?05:49
alteregoAnd there's also a rumour going around that Harmatten has been discontinued.05:49
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alteregoWhich mean MeeGo will be next and that doesn't have to maintain any Maemo backward compatibility.05:49
Arkenoidamn it sucks. i'd prefer n9 running harmattan "community release" instead05:50
DocScrutinizer51methought that's been the big promise05:50
alteregoDocScrutinizer51: call me pessimistic, but it's a promise that can go out of the window if they scrap Harmatten.05:51
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Arkenoiah, this is the way they try to force developers to write symbian-compatible qt software. it is not possible to "force" developers to anything, they will just say "fuck nokia" and switch to android.05:52
alteregoI'm happy to use Qt05:52
alteregoI like using Qt05:53
nox-android uses gtk?05:53
alteregoAnd I'm happy to implement/port apps I want to Qt05:53
Arkenoiqt is ok as long as there are all familliar backends in place as well. and gtk too.05:53
alteregoWhich you generally don't get across multiple OSs :)05:54
Arkenoialterego, and we do not need to. symbian touch is dead shit, screw it.05:55
alteregoIt's not dead yet05:56
MohammadAGalterego, is there a way to hide() all contents of a layout?05:56
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Arkenoibot it is spreading cadaver poison and bad smell already05:56
alteregoAnd I'm not just talking about Symbian, I'd really like my app to run on Maemo, MeeGo, Symbian, Desktop Linux, Server Linux and Windows05:56
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alteregoNot OS X though05:56
alteregoThat can fuck off.05:56
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Arkenoialterego, gtk will do as well05:57
alteregoArkenoi: don't make me laugh :P05:57
alteregoGtk is a complete PITA on anything other than UNIX like OSs05:57
alteregoAlso, Qt is a nice complete framework that supports a lot more than just UI05:58
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: hide=true?05:58
alteregoWhere as gobject based libs and frameworks would all need to be ported to all platforms.05:58
MohammadAGscrew you, I was just typing that05:58
MohammadAG( @ alterego :P)05:58
alteregoAnd it'd get horrible.05:58
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, hmm, not the layout itself05:59
MohammadAGthe contents of it05:59
alteregoMohammadAG: you want to hide all elements in a Layout?05:59
MohammadAGalterego, yes05:59
alteregoWhy not the whole layout btw?05:59
DocScrutinizer51what it 'content'?05:59
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MohammadAGalterego, cause we're switching views05:59
MohammadAGi.e I need to hide 4 widgets and show 105:59
DocScrutinizer51do that05:59
MohammadAGAlbum view; artist view; song view etc06:00
alteregoWhy don't you stick all of that into a QWidget and hide that instead?06:00
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alteregoThen have your layout contain just that qwidget06:00
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MohammadAGI can hide each one manually06:00
alteregoAnd then call that qwidget "songview" or something.06:00
MohammadAGI was wondering if there was a way to do it in one step06:00
alteregoThen do, songwidget->hide() ^.^06:01
MohammadAGalterego, I'm doing that, but there are 5 widgets to hide()/show()06:01
alteregoI think you're missing my point.06:01
alteregoIn columbus, my views are a single widget, that widget has maybe a layout with widgets in it.06:01
alteregoIf I didn't have my swipe gesture support, I could hide the current view and show the next view.06:02
MohammadAG <-- this isn't exactly clean code :P06:02
alteregoYou don't even need a root layout, you can just set geometry.06:02
alteregoYes, that's pretty ugly :P06:03
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alteregoYou see, when you add a widget to a layout, the widget is still the child of whatever you set the parent to (presumable the parent widget)06:06
alteregoAnd layouts just control the geometry of the child widget.06:07
DocScrutinizerif you set parent to hidden06:07
alteregoDocScrutinizer51: would hide everything and wouldn't allow him to show his _other_ children.06:07
MohammadAGalterego, here's the UI btw
DocScrutinizerthat'S what I thought, yeah06:08
DocScrutinizerooh wouldn't :-S06:08
alteregoforeach(QObject *target, layout->widget()->children() {QWidget *widget = qobject_cast<QWidget*>(target); if(widget != NULL) widget.hide(); }06:09
alteregoThat will probably do what you want.06:09
DocScrutinizerI always thought a hidden widget with childs is truely invisible and wouldn't interfere with other visible overlapping widgets06:09
alteregoWith an extra brace.06:09
alteregoDocScrutinizer51: the parent widget in this case is the parent of both of his views widgets.06:10
DocScrutinizerthen he needs a different layout06:10
alteregoHe needs to split it into two seperate widgets :P06:10
DocScrutinizerthat's what I said, no?06:10
DocScrutinizerwidget-frame-or-whatever->child-button1; ->child-button2...06:11
alteregoWell, layouts are something else.06:11
alteregoI guess it's just a mixture of terminology.06:11
alteregoDocScrutinizer51: yeah, that's the basic idea.06:12
MohammadAG/home/mohammad/scratchbox/mediaplayer-build-maemo-test/../test/mediaplayer/musicwindow.cpp:262: error: request for member 'hide' in 'widget', which is of non-class type 'QWidget*'06:12
alteregoSorry ;)06:13
alteregoIt is 4:15am ..06:13
MohammadAGTue Jan  4 06:13:34 IST 201106:13
MohammadAGlame excuse :P06:13
alteregoYou're going to have more fun showing them tbh.06:14
MohammadAGwhy's that?06:14
DocScrutinizer2011-01-04 05:1406:14
alteregoBecause all your widgets have the same parent, you're hiding all of them and showing all of them if you use that code.06:14
DocScrutinizeror (EEEWW) Di. Jan 4 05:14:44 201106:14
alteregoHow can you distinguish between widgets in one view or the other?06:15
MohammadAGI'm secretly Chuck Norris06:15
alteregoSeriously, split it up into two seperate "view" widgets and just show and hide them respectively.06:15
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alteregoIt _will_ save you pain :P06:15
MohammadAGI'm not sure what this is about :P06:16
MohammadAGI need to hide 4/5, and show 1/506:16
DocScrutinizernot only you, also all the poor fellow coders ;-D06:16
alteregoMohammadAG: at the moment you do, but what if we want to change that 1/5 to 2/6 ?06:16
MohammadAGyou weren't kidding about the 4:15 part06:16
MohammadAGSegmentation fault06:16
MohammadAGalterego, I don't, only 1 widget can fit in 800x48006:17
alteregoOkay, well, stick the 4/5 into another widget and then you're dealing with 1/206:17
MohammadAGalterego, open the stock mediaplayer06:18
alteregoWhich is basically exactly what we've been telling you to do.06:18
MohammadAGalterego, it won't work that way06:18
alteregookay, it's open06:18
MohammadAGgo to songs06:18
MohammadAGMusic, whatever06:18
MohammadAGclick the title bar06:18
MohammadAGyou'll see song views06:18
MohammadAGclick one, a widget is hidden, and another is shown06:18
MohammadAGI have 5 widgets in the layout06:19
MohammadAGI need to hide 4, and show 1 of them06:19
MohammadAGdepending on which button the user clicks06:19
MohammadAGthey're not the same 4 all the time06:19
alteregoThey're probably deleted and added dynamically.06:19
MohammadAGso I wanted something like layout->contents().hide() and ui->oneWidget->show()06:19
alteregoDo you know how I'd do it though?06:19
MohammadAG(about the deletion part)06:20
MohammadAGthey're not deleted06:20
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: FIRST of ALL: hide all 5, then enable the one you want06:20
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, that's what I want to do!06:20
alteregoHow do you know what it is doing?06:20
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> so I wanted something like layout->contents().hide() and ui->oneWidget->show()06:20
DocScrutinizerwrite a function that hides them all06:20
alteregoIt's fucking closed source.06:20
MohammadAGalterego, hah06:20
MohammadAGsec, lemme explain that :P06:20
MohammadAGselect album view06:20
MohammadAGyou'll see it populates the list06:21
MohammadAGand rapes the CPU while doing so06:21
MohammadAGnow switch to something else06:21
MohammadAGand switch back to album view06:21
MohammadAGthey won't be gone06:21
MohammadAGand it won't repopulate06:21
alteregoProbably because the model isn't being reloaded.06:22
DocScrutinizerI guess you have a canvas to display all the covers, and you simply hide() that06:22
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alteregoYou do realise that the album view is just a GtkIconView thing.06:22
alteregoAnd they're probably all coming out of a single model.06:22
alteregoOr maybe there are several models, "songs", "albums" etc.06:22
MohammadAGdoes it matter? :P06:22
alteregoBut it's the model that needs to cache, the view (if coded right) only displays what is being displayed.06:23
alteregoInfact, it looks like it does recreate the widget.06:23
alteregoBecause the position in the list is changed.06:23
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DocScrutinizeryeah, A PITA06:23
DocScrutinizeresp for going back in directory tree etc06:24
alteregoIT does remember the row, but it doesn't remember the exact y position.06:24
MohammadAGit does for me06:24
MohammadAGmaybe it was still populating for you?06:24
alteregoYeah, it remembers the row, but it doesn't remember the exact y position.06:25
alteregoWhich makes me think it recreates the widget.06:25
MohammadAGit does, I left it on the i's dot :P06:25
MohammadAGcheck again06:25
DocScrutinizeruse HFM on a dir with many files and subdirs, enter one subdir, go back ---> back to top of list >:-(((06:25
alteregoHJahah, just noticed another bug06:26
alteregoIf you scroll half way through your albums, switch to artists, then switch back.06:26
alteregoDon't touch the screen and just look at the albumns.,06:26
alteregoIT displays the top of the list, even though it's acutally scrolled half way down.06:26
DocScrutinizerthat's all such a pile of crap06:27
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alteregoThen when you start to scroll it redisplays proper list area.06:27
DocScrutinizerif only HFM did at least that06:27
MohammadAGah, the album view06:28
MohammadAGalterego, only the album view doesn't remember y position06:28
MohammadAGthe rest do06:28
alteregoI told you, it _does_ remember y position.06:28
MohammadAGmaybe it only sets geometry to 0 instead of hiding?06:28
alteregoIt's just when you go back for some reason it fucks it up.06:28
MohammadAGnow back to the problem at hand? :P06:28
alteregoGo back, look at the right side and note where the scroll indicator is.06:28
DocScrutinizersetting geometry to 0,0 is not a nice idea06:29
MohammadAGyeah, I tried to scroll, it went to y and back again06:29
alteregoThen try and scroll and you'll see it undo its' fuck up :P06:29
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it's not our mediaplayer06:29
MohammadAGalterego, yup, noticed06:29
alteregoYes, your issue.06:29
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alteregoIt segfaulted :P06:29
alteregoRun it through a debugger :D06:29
alteregofuck it's 4:30 now >:(06:29
MohammadAGalterego, I did06:30
MohammadAGit segfaulted on the foreach line (I split your code into lines, since having it on one line is kinda... can't find the right word)06:30
alteregoI didn't want to spam :P06:30
alteregoI just typed it in from memory :P06:31
MohammadAG foreach(QObject *target, ui->songsLayout->widget()->children())06:31
* alterego shudders.06:31
DocScrutinizerplease say this isn't what it looks like!06:32
alteregoDocScrutinizer: ?06:33
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MohammadAGbirds falling in germany?06:33
DocScrutinizeryou're not running over all song objects of the songs list?06:33
MohammadAGor is it the piglets this time?06:33
MohammadAGno, they're 5 widgets06:33
MohammadAGI need to hide all 5 widgets in that, and show one06:34
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DocScrutinizerpheeew, you scared the shit outa me06:34
MohammadAGI'm surprised there's no contents() method06:35
alteregoMohammadAG: doesn't work like that unfortunately.06:35
DocScrutinizerI can't find any bug in HMP, in all-albums view06:35
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, scroll so that half an album art isn't visible, switch views and switch back06:36
* MohammadAG asks on #qt06:36
DocScrutinizerclicking an album, the whole canvas slides left and song list of that album slides in from right06:36
DocScrutinizererr, half of AN album art? I got 3 rows of 5 here, 2 of them with cover art cut half06:37
alteregoDocScrutinizer: we're not talking about selecting an album, go to the menu and change view, then change back again.06:38
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DocScrutinizerchnage view to what?06:38
alteregoAnything, then change back.06:38
alteregoalbum to artist view06:38
MohammadAG<Xenakios> iterate over the widgets <-- isn't that what you were doing? lol06:39
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alteregoYes, that's what I said.06:39
alteregoThere must be someting wrong with your crap.06:39
alteregoinstead of doing layout->widget()->children()06:40
alteregoUse: this->childre()06:40
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lollooMohammadAG, this your media player? does it support mms:// protocol video streaming ?06:41
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MohammadAGlolloo, we'll worry about that later06:42
MohammadAGalterego, thinking of making a function that just hides all widgets06:43
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alteregoYes, do that :P06:43
alteregoYou know what I think you should do :P06:44
alteregoAnd I've told you how to do what you want to do.06:44
alteregoWhy not do what you're already doing :P06:44
* alterego chuckles06:44
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: and you say you can't place those 5 in into a container widget or frame?06:45
alteregoHe can, he's just not going to :P06:45
alteregoThey already are.06:45
DocScrutinizeror you can't place a second container widget or frame on top of that?06:45
MohammadAGactually, I did place them in a QWidget, found no way to hide the widgets then06:46
alteregoYou hide the qwidget you placed them in.06:46
MohammadAGbut that hides the container, not the widgets themselves06:47
alteregoProvided you've parented them properly.06:47
alteregoIT does it you do it properly!06:47
DocScrutinizeryeah, centralwidget06:47
MohammadAGI... see06:47
* alterego chuckles06:47
MohammadAGthen I need to show the QWidget again and show the widget I want?06:48
alteregoThen you just show the qwidget you want.06:48
alteregoWhy reshow the ones you've just hidden?06:48
alteregoYou're turning 4/5 into 1/206:48
MohammadAGso wait, if a widget is a child of another widget, and I hide the parent, then the children are hidden?06:49
MohammadAGand if I show a child, then it'll show even if the parent is hidden?06:49
DocScrutinizerYES :-D06:49
MohammadAG<alterego> Then you just show the qwidget you want.06:49
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: the idea is to have overlapping QWidgets06:50
DocScrutinizereachof them the size of your screen06:50
MohammadAGthat breaks the idea of layouts06:50
MohammadAGI'd be setting geometry myself06:50
alteregoMohammadAG: No06:51
alteregoWhy are you setting the "other" widget as a child of it?06:52
alteregoThere's no fucking point.06:52
alteregoIt's complicating things.06:52
alteregoYou have _two_ sibling widgets, that are children of your QMainWindow and that is it.06:52
alteregoshow and hide each of them as you need to.06:52
lolloobtw, I bought this book
lollooafter my exams I will start reading it.06:52
DocScrutinizerthere are two alternative QWidgets, childs of musicscreen, and both size of 800*412 or whatever06:52
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DocScrutinizerif you hide the top layer qwidget, then the lower layer will show up (you might want to hide that nevertheless as long as the other one is shown)06:54
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DocScrutinizeryou can have 2, 3 or 42 QWidgets, all childs of mainscreen06:55
DocScrutinizerand each holding its very own set of children widgets06:56
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DocScrutinizerit's a bit tricky to figure when they are instantiated06:57
DocScrutinizerand if all are 'alive' and only hidden, then they eat quite a bit of RAM each06:58
DocScrutinizerbut that's for sure the fastest and easiest switching of a screen content/display you can get06:59
DocScrutinizerbtw a tab widget is working quite similar07:02
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DocScrutinizeryeah, probably you could use tabwidget and just reduce size of tabs to 007:04
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MohammadAGhow do I check if a QSettings value exists?07:11
MohammadAGcontains(), nevermind07:13
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MohammadAGI was editing the wrong file07:19
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Termanagood morning07:23
MohammadAGmorning Termana07:24
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MohammadAGalterego, I ended up doing it like this, if you feel there's a better way, patches welcome :P
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iterationwhat is involved in tethering my n900 to a FreeBSD router08:47
iterationdsl is out for a few days, id like to get the internet back08:47
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psycho_oreosUSB networking, if thats supported under FreeBSD08:47
iterationso, putting the phone in (on pc suite mode), and organizing the networking08:48
iterationno additional software?08:48
iterationlike for windows i use pc suite08:48
psycho_oreoswell there's no pc suite for linux, neither would there be one for FreeBSD I bet. No additional software isn't needed generally under linux but under FreeBSD the case maybe different. I suppose its probably a kernel module that may need to be compiled, matches the running kernel version/arch and is ready for use08:49
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iterationyeah, i am trying to find what omdule i will need08:53
iterationit seems unlikely that itd be in generic08:53
SpeedEviliteration: you plug it in, you select pc-suite mode, and you set it up as a 'generic' 3g modem08:54
SpeedEvilAnd it 'just works'08:54
iterationhmm. alright08:54
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pupnikandroid 'apps' suck so bad09:02
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MohammadAGheh why?09:03
ds3that is an understatement09:04
MohammadAGi thought they were comparable to iOS apps09:04
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lolloohi again, I was trying to install freoffice, but I got this error.09:17
lollooUnpacking freoffice (from .../freoffice_0.3-1_armel.deb) ...09:17
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lollooE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (109:18
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lolloo error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/freoffice_0.3-1_armel.deb (--unpack):09:18
lollootrying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/mimetypes/gnome-mime-application-msword.png', which is also in package docstogo09:18
lolloommm I think I need to remove docstogo.09:21
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JaffaMorning, all11:11
lcuk\o morning jaffa, all11:12
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crashanddiemorning lcuk, Jaffa, DocScrutinizer11:14
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jacekowskimorning crashanddie11:15
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DocScrutinizergood night john boy11:16
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_GeekShadowGet a N900!
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tybollt_that was NSFW11:26
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timeless_mbptybollt_: obviously you need to configure your irc client to use a private-browsing browser11:36
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felluWhere is good FAQ for istalling new android on my n90011:37
timeless_mbpthis looks like Chinese, not Hindi/whatever11:37
timeless_mbptld violation11:37
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Venemo_N900fellu: #nitdroid is the topic for that. it is OT here11:39
Venemo_N900morning lcuk11:40
timeless_mbpvery little content actually, about 3 pages11:41
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timeless_mbpit actually looks like it might be more of a risque poetry site :o11:42
Venemo_N900lol timeless_mbp11:42
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brbcoffeeyo, I have had my n900 for a couple of days now. it is awesome and i pimped it to the max.  However I pimped it too hard and had to reflash.  Now I can,11:51
brbcoffee't remember how to get the 'rush' command for a root shell back11:52
brbcoffeedoes any one know?11:52
felluvanemo, oki, thx11:53
brbcoffeealso is there a better terminal emulator available, xterm kinda sucks...11:53
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brbcoffeeI have installed rootsh however it does not have it.11:54
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RobbieThe1stroot shell: "sudo gainroot"11:57
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RobbieThe1stin x-term11:57
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brbcoffeeaah, robbie the thiest.  we spoke a few days ago!11:58
tybollt_crashanddie: Thank you! :)11:59
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* RobbieThe1st is still experiencing withdrawal from no working n900 (Replacement screen hasn't arrived yet). 12:00
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brbcoffeeget an otterbox man!12:01
tybollt_I am experiencing pre-withdrawal (work is going to replace my N900 w/ a desire :-|12:01
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brbcoffeehow do i type a pipe on n900?12:02
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RobbieThe1stum, it's in the special-chars menu12:03
RobbieThe1stalt + shift to bring it up, IIRC12:03
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brbcoffeecan i remove busybox?12:06
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RobbieThe1stbrbcoffee: No.12:08
RobbieThe1stbrbcoffee: Why would you want to? You can use Bash as an alternate shell, if you wish12:08
RobbieThe1stbrbcoffee: You can also change the keyboard layout if you need certain chars(like the pipe) handy.12:09
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brbcoffeei have installed bash however i cannot make it work for root.  i run bash-setup as root and it still uses BB12:10
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RobbieThe1stI forget, it's kind of weird12:10
RobbieThe1stYou can try just running "bash" at the root BB prompt12:10
RobbieThe1stBut yea... removing BB == reflash required, usually12:12
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brbcoffeeok. brb, coffee12:14
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brbcoffeelets do this12:53
brbcoffeebefore i buggered up my n900 there was a command available called 'rush'12:53
brbcoffee this command would grant me a root shell with bash12:54
brbcoffeenow I have reflashed I cannot find this command anymore12:54
brbcoffee1. what package must i install to get rush back? (no geddy lee jokes pls)12:54
brbcoffee2. How can I have root  using bash instead of Busy box?12:55
brbcoffee3. Is there a better terminal than xterm available?12:55
jhbbrbcoffee: install rootsh, type root , type bash12:56
brbcoffee4. A bunch of stuff about fcam however root terminal is more important to me12:56
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brbcoffeeewoot, thank you13:06
brbcoffeeeroot works now13:06
brbcoffeeenext question, is there a better terminal emulator?13:06
brbcoffeeebecause xterm kinda sucks, unless somone can tell me how to reduce the size of the tab, esc, ctrl soft buttons?13:07
keriogconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false"13:08
keriothere, reduced to 013:08
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kerioit's the only sensible way to use it13:08
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kerioand due to a bug you still get the buttons at the beginning, until you go fullscreen13:08
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brbcoffeeenice one, however I would still like to use the tab button, is there a known technique for removing those buttonss but still having tab?13:09
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kerioadd some way to tab to your keymap13:11
kerioi use fn+backspace13:11
brbcoffeeeok thankk you13:12
brbcoffeeeok next question13:13
brbcoffeeeI have titans power kernel v4213:13
keriodon't overclock13:13
kerioit's not safe. ever13:13
brbcoffeeedid you have a bad experiance?13:13
kerioit's just physics13:13
kerioeither what we know about electrons is wrong, or overclocking is not safe13:14
BCMMbrbcoffeee: the cpu clock is set where it is for reasons of the CPU's lifespan, not for batter reasons.13:14
brbcoffeeeok, ok this is not a question about OC13:14
BCMMthere is not a safe level of overclocking. there is simply a sliding scale. do you want to burn out your cpu in years, months, or days?13:14
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brbcoffeeeI am well aware of the dangers of OC13:15
brbcoffeeeWhat I was asking was:13:15
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brbcoffeeeI have the fcam drivers installed, then blessn900 however when I take a photo with blessn900 it is like two photos overlayed one another13:16
brbcoffeeeis this is commonly reported problem?13:16
kerioyeah, bless is not really good13:16
keriounless you have a tripod, in which case it's awesome13:16
brbcoffeeeyeah bless sucks or yeah this is a common issue?13:17
keriowell, it's more of a problem in the design13:17
kerioblessn900 works by taking two photos13:17
brbcoffeeei understand that13:17
kerioand merging them together to increase detail13:17
kerioso if you move, even slightly, you get two different pictures overlayed13:18
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brbcoffeeeok thank you13:21
brbcoffeeenext question13:21
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brbcoffeeeif I have a program full screened and it has no 'unfullscreen' button is there a better war to get back to the task manager without having to open the keyboard and press ctrl+bspc?13:22
brbcoffeeegconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false"13:23
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keriobrbcoffeee: camkeyd13:25
brbcoffeeethank you13:25
kerioit's really useful13:25
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Venemohi guys14:09
VenemoHSDPA is king :)14:09
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VenemoI can download stuff with the N900 as USB modem about 2 times faster than I could on the wifi here14:09
Venemo(unfortunately the evil neighbour seems to have protected his wifi after we've been using it for 2 years...)14:10
Venemoso I have to restort to the N900 now14:10
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: h-e-n GUI 0.3 : status:broken, can't be updated ... ? o.O?14:15
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (in HAM)14:15
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: its postinst failed for me too (from terminal)14:16
DocScrutinizerthere's no postinst involved when clicking "details"?14:17
VenemoDocScrutinizer: um, sorry, for me it isn't the h-e-n package. (mistaken if for cssu-enabler)14:17
DocScrutinizeroooh, cssu-enabler. Sounds nice :-D14:18
Venemoit was updated yesterday, but its postinst failed14:18
VenemoI can't even remove it with dpkg -r since that one also bothers with the postinst14:18
VenemoDocScrutinizer: the package has been in the works for some time, but MohammadAG and Jaffa are having trouble with it :(14:19
DocScrutinizerI also got hostmode-scripts-0.1 o.O14:20
* DocScrutinizer thinks he has some obsolete cruft on his devel device (in addition to the 1.1.1 rootfs :-P)14:21
alteregoVenemo: it'll only get fixed if the package is fixed.14:21
alteregoWhen dpkg tries to remove something, if the current versions postinst/postrm failes, it tries the new packages postrm14:22
alteregoWait, the postinst failes?14:22
alteregoIt shouldn't have installed then :P14:22
Venemoalterego: it _upgraded_ and then the postinst fails14:22
Venemoalterego: for some reason it doesn't let me remove either14:22
alteregoHrm, lame O_O14:23
alteregoWhat does it say when you try and install it again?14:23
DocScrutinizerHAM and alternative repos seems to be a royal PITA14:23
Venemoalterego: same thing14:24
VenemoDocScrutinizer: HAM is a sick, crap thing14:24
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VenemoI've no idea how they could let its code base get this wrong14:25
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DocScrutinizerno idea, never looked into it, never wrapped my head around it beyond the fact there's some apt-worker-thread14:26
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Venemoyeah, that much I know too14:26
alteregoWell, it is OSS ;)14:26
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Venemoalterego: it's OSS because its code is so crap that noone would bother looking at it14:27
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Venemoit could be improved though with the extensive use of caching things and the use of threading14:27
DocScrutinizerdefinitely. Also lok at what HAM does when invoked from backup-tool restore14:28
DocScrutinizerthere you suddenly *can* select multiple pkgs for installation14:28
Venemohehe, yeah...14:28
VenemoI think Jaffa looked into the source14:29
DocScrutinizerprior to apt-worker-thread doing its thing for 5+ minutes14:29
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RST38hmoo all14:29
Venemothe apt-worker thingy should be just deleted.14:29
alteregoHey RST38h14:29
Venemomoo RST38h14:29
DocScrutinizermoo RST38h14:29
Venemohow is the speed of HSDPA for you, guys?14:30
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: wouldn't that create an extremely fast and also somewhat useless dysfunct HAM?14:30
DocScrutinizerVenemo: usually VROOOOOOOM14:31
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: my carrier offers 7.2MB HSDPA and that's quite frequently really available14:32
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VenemoDocScrutinizer51: I meant, use plain apt-get instead of apt-worker (to avoid the 'dysfunct' part)14:34
DocScrutinizerof course RTT is poor as always with packet switched services OTA14:34
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DocScrutinizer~rtt is round trip time14:35
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay14:35
VenemoDocScrutinizer: by which you mean ping time and such things?14:35
VenemoDocScrutinizer: what I noticed is that DNS resolution takes slightly longer from 3G/HSDPA than a regular connection. and even slower on EDGE/GPRS14:36
VenemoDocScrutinizer: although once the DNS resolution is okay, the raw DL speed is quite good14:36
DocScrutinizeryeah, that's summed up RTTs for the different connections14:37
VenemoDocScrutinizer: is the N900 capable of HSUPA too?14:38
* Venemo is not sure14:38
DocScrutinizeralso the DNS you get via GPRS DHCP might be of poor speed14:38
DocScrutinizeryep, it is14:39
Venemok, thx14:39
Venemothen I'll just say HSPA to spare a letter of typing :P14:39
DocScrutinizer -> >>HSPA, max. Datenübertragungsgeschwindigkeit 10 MBit/s (Herunterladen)/2 MBit/s (Hochladen)<<14:41
VenemoHochladen is upload and Herunterlagen is download, right?14:41
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keriohsupa, yay14:44
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JaffaVenemo: The latest version of cssu-enabler should fix the postinst issue.14:45
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JaffaVenemo: To fix: comment out the line containing the word "libxec" in /var/lib/dpkg/info/community-ssu-enabler.postinst14:45
Venemothx Jaffa14:46
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VenemoJaffa: pm'd you14:50
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: was it you telling me to destroy my nolo before I send the device in for insurance testing?15:27
chem|stDocScrutinizer: guide me please as I know how I get it boot looping but not stop booting ;)15:27
chem|stDocScrutinizer: I'd like to have a state I can cold-flash only15:28
xDaReaperxGot a new screen guard ... looks good but it's kind of dark. .. less transparent15:28
xDaReaperxgot it for 1 $ though15:28
DocScrutinizerdd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mtdX15:28
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DocScrutinizerX == nolo's partition15:28
chem|stxDaReaperx: I got no screen protector at all as $60 aren't much for replacement after a year or two...15:28
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SpeedEvil$60 + chances of borking it.15:29
DocScrutinizerchem|st: just a template so you figure yourself how to do it15:29
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: On dissasembly, did you note any moisture tell-tales?15:29
xDaReaperxwell yeah mobiles are replacable15:29
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xDaReaperxbut it's better to care :)15:29
chem|stSpeedEvil: ? I had the device open several times now and it is easy if you follow guidance of electronic rules15:30
SpeedEvilchem|st: fair enough - but others have managed to break it accidentally.15:30
chem|stDocScrutinizer: sure thing15:30
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chem|stSpeedEvil: pay a $15 extra and "have it replaced"15:31
SpeedEvilAnyway - with my protectors - $5 for 10 - I notice no difference in feel or performance15:31
chem|stSpeedEvil: I tested 2 and came to the conclusion that I am better off without15:32
SpeedEvilFair enough.15:32
SpeedEvilI've completely destroyed two accidentally15:32
chem|stSpeedEvil: but I see people scratching their devices in no time which I just don't do15:33
xDaReaperxcareless ?15:33
SpeedEvilfor example - putting seccateurs in the wrong pocket, and bending up and down a couple of hundred times15:33
chem|sta friend put a package of gum in his pocket with his mobile and destroyed the display with the gum-package's Al-foil15:34
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chem|stieatlint: exactly15:35
ieatlintyeah, gum would not be up on my list of concerns15:35
chem|stlooked like sandbrushed15:35
pupnikthe 770 had a protective metal case15:35
ieatlinti'm using one of the zagg invisibleshield covers... works well for me15:35
xDaReaperxthe n900 is cheap plastic15:35
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: (moisture detect) well, on rethinking it and checking my photos, it seems I can't say I've seen any15:36
ieatlintseems to reduce fingerprints showing up too15:36
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: odd15:36
pupnikieatlint: is that matte / anti-glare?15:36
chem|stI scratched one of those protectors in the process of putting it in place15:36
ieatlintwouldn't call it antiglare.. does affect the screen appearance, but for some reason the fingerprints just seem less evident now15:36
pupniki have a 7" device that looks like a mirror and i'd like to see less reflections15:37
chem|stSpeedEvil: please elaborate15:37
ieatlintreally makes the gorilla glass seem appealing... but incompatible with a resistive touchscreen15:37
SpeedEvilchem|st: sorry - not tracking well this morning - elaborate on what15:38
ieatlintpupnik: hah, just looked it up even... it advertises that it reduces appearance of fingerprints even..
SpeedEvilchem|st: the iphone and many other mobiles have little bits that turn pink if exposed to moisture.15:38
ieatlintbut not sure it'd held with the gloss finish screen on your device15:38
SpeedEvilchem|st: this is used for warranty service to say 'no, you got it wet'15:38
ieatlintit's like those laptops with the glossy screens... how do people not terribly strain their eyes?15:39
chem|stSpeedEvil: did not recognize any but I did not remove the heatsinks and metal covers15:39
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: I did15:39
chem|stSpeedEvil: I had that coke-whearbeer mix ;)15:40
DocScrutinizeryou find the hires scans on
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DocScrutinizerwhearbeer sounds scary15:41
chem|stDocScrutinizer: wheatbeer ;)15:41
kerioDocScrutinizer: 40415:42
ieatlintcoke+wheatbeer still sounds scary to me15:42
keriono, wait, host unreachable15:42
chem|stieatlint: smells like hell15:42
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chem|stkerio: 4 me 215:42
ieatlint :P15:43
ieatlintnot hard to figure out15:43
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chem|stieatlint: the device looks like having heat-conducting liquid all over the place15:45
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: still have no clue where the moisture detecting bits might be15:47
DocScrutinizer51there are none15:47
SpeedEvilIt's not impossible there may be none15:47
chem|stDocScrutinizer: ah with "I did" you meant you did remove the covers... now I get it15:49
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nidOmy device is being wierd :\16:07
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nidOit's suddenly decided to have a 2-3x better battery life than it ever has before16:08
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pupnikieatlint: that looks like a lucrative business, selling pieces of plastic for 30 dollars...16:16
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crashanddiepupnik, you should try casinos, they sell ceramic chips for hundreds and thousands of dollars16:20
toggles_fyi i use one, works well, no other case, phone has lived in my pocket for over a year, no scratches etc though the back is starting to peel off and i lost the sides a few months back16:20
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pupnikcrashanddie: or i could print pieces of paper and exchange them for food and goods16:21
RST38hIs Rockbox worth installing?16:22
pupnikfor the ancient archos mp3 players?16:22
RST38hOk, gotit.16:22
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satmdcan I use my n900 as a bluetooth handset?16:27
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ieatlintpupnik: your clearly in the wrong business :P16:28
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ieatlinti'm normally better than that16:30
pupnikthe funny thing is the people printing the paper 'outlawed' anyone else printing similar pieces of paper16:31
pupnikand people act like that's normal16:31
pupnikbut i'm way OT sorry16:31
ieatlintare you talking about money and criticising that it's illegal to counterfeit it?16:32
BCMMpupnik: you mean money, right? it seems perfectly normal to not be permitted to copy a currency, because that would essentially be impersonating somebody16:32
BCMMyou can make your own currency, but you can't make money that claims to be guaranteed by somebody else (the government) without asking that somebody else first16:33
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pupnikno problem as long as nobody forces me to use their pieces of paper16:35
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ieatlinthave fun trying to barter at your local shops :)16:36
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ieatlinta political candidate over here famously suggested that you try to pay your doctor with a chicken recently, actually16:36
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t_s_ohow would one go about compiling a more recent microb-engine for maemo4?16:56
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crashanddiet_s_o, ask timeless_mbp17:11
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crashanddielol... The WWF file format is a joke...17:21
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crashanddiesupposedly, it's a file you can't print17:22
crashanddiebut really, it's just a password protected PDF file17:22
crashanddieso rename it, unlock it (using the myriad of online tools), and print it.17:22
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RST38hcrashanddie:Sounds nice17:25
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* RST38h guesses the "format" has been invented by someone majoring in humanities17:26
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t_s_odo not forget the extra page it adds to the end of every document...17:29
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VladNistori can't seem to find stuff from the ovi store in the app manager. When i try using the "Store" app it says to go to the app manager and update17:34
VladNistoranyone know how I can install stuff from the ovi store?17:34
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nidOremove hide user agent17:35
nidOor at least reset to the default user agent17:36
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VladNistorthanks, i'll try that :)17:37
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VladNistorthank you, ovi store works now!17:54
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Ex-OpesaWhich is best media player fo rn900 for playlists? I need something good for playlists.17:55
Appiahwhat do you mean?17:55
Ex-OpesaI need some player where I can make playlists for my music. ^^17:56
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oscillikApple iPod touch :p17:58
Ex-OpesaThanks oscillik, you are very helpful.17:59
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Appiahnever thought of using something else to create a playlist17:59
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oscillikEx-Opesa: sorry, i'm just bitter that Nokia dropped us all18:01
Appiahguess If i'm not using the n900 itself I would use whatever musicplayer I use on my PC18:01
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Ex-OpesaI am talking about n900.18:02
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Ex-OpesaThe default player is not so good with playlists18:02
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penguinbaitjoin the club18:03
Ex-Opesaoscillik: No problem.18:04
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crashanddieEx-Opesa, there's an open source implementation of the media player in the works18:07
crashanddieEx-Opesa, we're bouncing a few ideas around as to how to manage the playlists properly18:07
crashanddieone idea was to have a Qt-based (on computer) editor, onto which you'd drag songs and create playlists, the tool would then synchronise songs and playlists to the N90018:08
crashanddienot unlike iTunes, I guess.18:08
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crashanddiebut basically, as soon as the media player has decent support of different playlists, any tool to create playlists will do -- it just needs to be MAFW enabled18:09
crashanddiewe'll probably release a helper tool on the N900, and basic features included in the media player, but not for version 118:09
Ex-OpesaOkay, glad to know developers are working on it.18:09
crashanddiefirst version is due mid to end january18:10
crashanddie(in devel, so not primetime ready)18:10
crashanddieonce it's launched, we'll set up some discussion channels (tmo, prolly bmo as well) to enable user feedback and better the product18:11
crashanddieit won't be to everyone's liking, but hopefully a lot better than the current media player (which really, isn't saying that much)18:11
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Ex-OpesaPretty cool . :)18:13
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alteregoNice front page slot in mwkn for mohammedia player :)18:35
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* MohammadAG grins :P18:35
* alterego trade marks :P18:35
alteregoYou owe me royalties now, muahahahah18:36
MohammadAGYou owe muslims, you're using the name Mohammed :P18:36
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alteregoThey'd be proud of the publicity I'm sure I can get a waver.18:37
MohammadAGMohammedia™ Player® 10.118:38
MohammadAGdoesn't look bad18:39
alteregoHah,  my name is in the news!18:39
MohammadAGhe should've added a link to your facebook18:39
alteregopfft :P18:39
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, back on track? we need to fill those placeholders I added yesterday :P18:42
MohammadAGalterego, does a QWidget have a showEvent() or something? I need to emit a signal every time it's shown18:43
RST38hMohammad: No, no, not 10.x18:44
RST38hMohammad: Not unless you want to be molested by a legion of lemmings18:44
RST38h"MohammadAG's fake flashplayer sucks!" (tm)18:45
RST38h"Does not play any flash, cannot play cow-throw online with it!"18:45
MohammadAGwhat about farmville? :P18:45
RST38hsame. sucks.18:46
MohammadAGor *looks at new trending game* cityville18:46
MohammadAGgod I hate those *ville-s18:46
* RST38h is blissfully unaware of this stuff. Could be happening in alternative universe for all I know18:47
crashanddieRST38h, it is18:47
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MohammadAGRST38h, alterego's addicted to them18:47
MohammadAGhe harvests his virtual farm while compiling columbus18:48
alteregoMohammadAG: inherit QWidget and reimplement paintEvent18:48
RST38hpoor guy, let us send him drugs.18:48
alteregoYes please!18:48
MohammadAGcrap, logged channel :P18:48
alteregoAnything, I don't care :P18:48
alteregoJust pretend you aren't serious18:49
* MohammadAG sends cough medicine18:49
alteregoProbably still illegal :P18:49
MohammadAGto alterego's address, as obtained from facebook18:49
RST38hnovocaine enema!18:49
MohammadAGblame facebook18:49
alteregoEspecially if it has cocaine in it.18:49
* RST38h hides, just in case18:49
RST38hMohammad: He has got a facebook account? OMG, he is totally web2.018:50
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alteregoI'm web3.0 actually.18:50
* RST38h idly wonders if he has to stick with expression graph or do an expression tree instead18:50
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crashanddiealterego, do you read old books?18:53
alteregoI have been known to read on occasion :)18:54
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MohammadAGalterego, books == old wall posts in web3.018:57
MohammadAGyou're still a 2.0, ha18:57
crashanddiealterego, HIGH ON LITERATURE: The fungi that feed on old paper may be mildly hallucinogenic, and may cause an "enhancement of enlightenment" in readers, says a report in the British medical journal The Lancet. The source of inspiration for many great literary figures may have been nothing more than a quick sniff of moldy books, the report says.18:59
crashanddieSnort a bit o' book?19:00
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crashanddieanyway, off work19:00
crashanddie'later all19:00
MohammadAGheh, cya19:00
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timeless_mbpt_s_o: ?19:19
timeless_mbpoh, um..19:20
timeless_mbpin theory it isn't complicated19:20
* timeless_mbp shrugs19:20
t_s_oheh, in theory nothing is complicated...19:20
timeless_mbpgrab microb-engine sources and merge in mozilla-central19:20
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timeless_mbpit's possible there won't be any interesting merge conflicts19:21
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t_s_oheh, likely...19:21
t_s_oi am guessing one would do best to stick to the 3.x series? perhaps even 3.0?19:22
t_s_omeh, never mind19:23
timeless_mbpsorry, i just can't figure out which system uses a 3.x numbering scheme19:24
t_s_oi wonder tho, why was no such update a part of the community ssu? is there something with the microb-ui that blocks?19:24
timeless_mbpdo me a favor and don't use firefox numbering19:24
timeless_mbpi only deal in gecko numbering19:24
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t_s_oah, i may have been looking at the wrong target. Getting xulrunner updated to 1.9.2 proper (rather then alpha) may be what i am after19:27
t_s_oor maybe i got the two hopelessly confused, never mind...19:28
t_s_obah, this is way out of my league :S19:29
t_s_oi should really just retire the N800 to a drawer and go look for a new device19:30
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timeless_mbpt_s_o: so..19:34
timeless_mbpmoving xulrunner to a newer version shouldn't be too painful19:35
timeless_mbpit's probably best to move it up one 1.9.<n> at a time though19:35
timeless_mbpif you hit a build failure, poke me19:35
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hardakerSo is there any way to remove a package from testing?19:43
hardakerI can't find a way to do it?19:43
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eichiwhat is the best routing software on n900 at the moment?19:45
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timeless_mbphardaker: generally packages don't get removed from repositories20:01
timeless_mbpyou can file a bug to ask for them to be removed20:01
timeless_mbp(X-Fade or someone would deal w/ it)20:01
hardakerah, thanks.20:01
hardakerI'd think that downgrading previous packages would be possible.20:02
hardakerie, when something got like -5 karma20:02
hardaker(in tihs case, it's a rename and i wanted the older one to go away)20:02
hardaker(the obvious hack being republishing under the old name requiring the new)20:02
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timeless_mbpif you want to put a package back to an older version20:02
timeless_mbpthen in debian terms you do something stupid like:20:03
hardakerI want to remove foo-0.2 because bar-0.3 exists20:03
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hardakerie, a rename of a software component.20:03
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timeless_mbpso, afaiu, ham is not very good at getting packages to be removed20:03
timeless_mbpwhat i think you do is create:20:03
timeless_mbpfoo-0.3 which is empty and depends on bar >=0.320:04
hardakeryep.  that's what I was thinking would be the "hack"20:04
timeless_mbpit isn't really a hack20:04
timeless_mbpit's more of an unfortunate feature20:04
hardakerhack == unfortunate feature20:04
hardakerI like it.20:04
Ex-OpesaIs there any way to use java stuff in maemo?20:05
timeless_mbpEx-Opesa: yes20:05
Ex-Opesatimeless_mbp: Wow that is nice.20:05
timeless_mbpEx-Opesa: um, i didn't say that :)20:05
timeless_mbpjust "there is a way"20:06
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Ex-OpesaI need to run java 6 application on maemo, the application is related to anonymity.20:08
Ex-OpesaYou mean there is just a way but its not very much supported?20:08
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timeless_mbpjava is not really something that was a primary focus for maemo20:09
Ex-OpesaI see. Let me open that. Thank you.20:09
timeless_mbpthere is/was a project to provide support for some flavor / version of java20:09
timeless_mbpjava6 from my perspective is rather 'modern'20:10
Ex-OpesaYeah. Too bad. I wanted to run "your-freedom" application on n900. I wonder if they even support smart phones. ^^20:11
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timeless_mbp ?20:13
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jhbtimeless_mbp, Ex-Opesa: I have no idea about java, but isn't there icedtea6?20:14
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* timeless_mbp shrugs20:14
timeless_mbpgreat spelling of download ...20:14
SpeedEviltimeless_mbp: It's localised.20:15
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jhbe.g. I installed it, and some j2me version, and had some j2me app running...20:15
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timeless_mbpen-FI-cannotspell ?20:15
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Ex-Opesatimeless_mbp: I already use HSS and TOR, thanks about that.20:16
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Ex-Opesajhb, Let me look into icedtea6.20:18
MohammadAGwhoever designed the N8's email app needs to be shot twice20:18
MohammadAGcan I get modest on it? :P20:19
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: serves you right for even thinking the n8 would be better than the n900 :)20:19
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, it's not mine :P20:19
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: irrelevant ;-b20:19
MohammadAGI've tried everything20:20
* timeless_mbp wonders what locale jhb uses20:20
jhbEx-Opesa: and
MohammadAGaccepted Nokia Messaging's license, declined it, set up mail for exchange, set it up manually with POP3 (ew)20:20
MohammadAGgmail works, but the email I'm setting up is hotmail20:20
* timeless_mbp installed ~50 apps today20:21
jhbtimeless_mbp: en-De?20:21
timeless_mbpjhb: device language?20:21
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Ex-Opesajhb, thanks. Lets see.20:21
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jhbtimeless_mbp: de_DE20:21
Ex-OpesaWhat about locale?20:22
timeless_mbpjhb: oh well20:22
Ex-OpesaKnowing others locale is some thing beneficial? O_o20:22
jhbtimeless_mbp: I have the feeling I can't follow...20:22
MohammadAGthe networking stack on symbian's retarded20:23
MohammadAGit has a WLAN connection active, and it opened another 3G connection20:23
MohammadAGoh goody, another 3G connection on top20:23
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MohammadAGso 1 WLAN, and 2 3G connections, with a "Unable to sign in" error20:24
timeless_mbpsymbian is special :)20:24
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Ex-Opesajhb, Wow, Icedtea6 requires 116 mb space. ^^20:25
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Tamyrlintimeless_mbp: Getting away from symbian was my main reason for buying a N900 :)20:27
jhbEx-Opesa: the settlers game needs some 450 mb, if I remember correctly..20:28
TamyrlinAlthough it would be quite interesting with a symbian compatibility layer for the N900 (think Wine, but for symbian instead)20:29
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TamyrlinOr android or iphone compatibility layer for that matter. (The later if you'd like to see Apple blacken the skies with lawyers deployed with parachutes)20:32
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johnxTamyrlin, I know someone started work on getting android apps working on more normal X11-based distros, but apparently it's not a small undertaking20:34
Ex-Opesajhb, Yeah..20:34
johnxas for iPhone compat, I think someone did something kinda libwine-style20:34
johnxthe idea being that it makes iPhone apps easier to port because the core logic doesn't need to be rewritten, just the UI20:34
TamyrlinYeah, I think ubuntu has some sort of project for android on general purpose Linux. (I saw it linked from the maemo wiki if I remember correctly)20:35
johnxyeah. the next post on that blog was basically "I don't think this can really go anywhere" though20:35
TamyrlinOh, too bad20:35
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TamyrlinWell, personally I'm hoping for meego to get so big that android/iphone becomes niche players, but I'm not going to bet any big amounts of money on that :)20:37
johnxhonestly, even if it just ends up with twice or three times the marketshare as maemo 5, we'll be in pretty good shape I think20:38
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johnxand I have to admit, I'm not to excited about wine-like projects ...20:39
TamyrlinI'd much prefer native applications as well20:39
johnxsomething like libwine is pretty cool though20:40
johnx(the distinction being that libwine is for making ports easy, whereas wine attempts to run binaries compiled for other systems)20:41
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TamyrlinSpeaking of applications, does anyone know if it would be theoretically possible to create a 3GPP video call application on the N900 without having updated firmware for the baseband modem/etc?20:44
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TamyrlinIf I run tcpdump on phonet0 I can at least see some activity when someone is trying to call me with a video phone so I'm guessing that it is at least possible to create an application which tells me that someone unsuccessfully tried to call me over video20:45
blueillusionhey guys. im trying to setup nokia messaging on my n900. I've went through the setup instructions through the email program (added a nokia messaging account), but my emails are never pushed20:45
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blueillusionfuther more, once i finish adding my account, i cant even log into the website says I don't have an account there20:46
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TsuyoHello guys, does someone got mono running under the N900? The Repo here: is wrong. I get a 404 Error.21:11
jacekowskithat repo was for n8x021:11
Tsuyo: <21:11
TsuyoSo, is there any N900 port out?21:11
jacekowskinot when i last checked21:11
Tsuyo: /21:12
TsuyoAllright, Thanks (:21:12
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, do you know what rate the now playing indicator is updated @?21:25
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timeless_mbpon phone21:25
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alteregoMohammadAG: I'd go with 250-400ms21:28
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alteregoMohammadAG: look at columbus though for an example on how to detect context switches and display off events to pause UI updates ;)21:29
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alteregoThe code should be in columbus/src/MainWindow.{h,cpp}21:30
MohammadAGalterego, using a QTimer as you suggested, it's not that intensive21:30
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alteregoMohammadAG: I know, it's just good practise and it would be cool to have that code in there for later, maybe adding visualisations etc.21:30
MohammadAGalterego, check the stock player, while scrolling, the indicator is hidden, your animation would look good there right?21:30
alteregoMohammadAG: yeah probably, though I think it should always be visible personally.21:31
alteregoUse neat animations in the video player ;)21:31
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MohammadAGeven when scrolling?21:31
alteregoAnyhow, I gotta spend some time with the lady. See you later.21:31
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alteregoMohammadAG: yeah, it's more continuous.21:31
MohammadAGheh, k, o/21:31
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timeless_n900mohammadag: i don't, what's the concern?22:01
jhbHas anyone the installer for the ovi maps firefox plugin around?22:01
RST38h...discovery of a bug in the PHP programming language that causes computers to freeze when they process certain numerical values with large numbers of decimal places...22:01
timeless_n900jhb: eh?22:01
MohammadAGtimeless_n900, I'm adding the now playing indicator22:01
* RST38h wonders how PHP manages that22:01
timeless_n900right. ..22:01
timeless_n900"indicator" ?22:02
MohammadAGthe bottom right widget22:02
timeless_n900i hope you don't mean the stupid animation22:02
jhbtimeless_n900: there was a plugin installable at, but now it isn't anymore. And I'd like to the get installer for that plugin22:02
MohammadAGtimeless_n900, yes, the stupid animations22:02
timeless_n900jhb: for desktop?22:02
jhbtimeless_n900: indeed. Supposedly with that one is able to use the files from n900:/usr/share/nokia-maps on the desktop22:03
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* timeless_n900 ponders22:03
timeless_n900sounds correct22:04
timeless_n900it was a single gecko plugin22:04
timeless_n900for both maemo and windows22:04
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timeless_n900hi avs22:05
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* timeless_n900 visits beta labs22:06
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timeless_n900there's a second one just like this22:07
timeless_n900a standard feature? no support for downloading things after they "graduate"22:07
jhbyeah, its really bad22:07
jhbmmmh, maybe the archive?22:08
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timeless_n900has a "modified" plugin22:09
timeless_n900it seems to have a working link22:09
timeless_n900but i don't think it'll work on my n900. ..22:09
* jhb checks22:10
E0xovi map is a weird app22:12
jhbtimeless_n900: that looks rather promising22:12
* jhb would love to somehow get voice navigation into the ovi maps on n900....22:12
E0xbecause now in my n900 i can see ( i mean after 1.3 update ) the street name of my country22:12
E0xbut if you go to the web version22:12
E0xyou can't get that info22:12
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jhbE0x: strange22:14
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MohammadAGeffing hildon22:15
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* jhb needs to reboot into windows22:21
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timeless_n900jhb: don't forget to save the archive and scan the binaries :)22:24
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jhbtimeless_n900: ah, if everything crashes I just blame you :-P22:24
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timeless_n900sp3000: hey, can i use strace to log ham? :)22:27
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* timeless_n900 wants to watch a package's update process 22:27
* timeless_n900 doesn't want to spend time making dummy packages22:28
MohammadAGtimeless_n900, mind checking your /query?22:28
jhb|mobileha, i forgot that i now have this nifty little device for the internets22:29
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timeless_n900mohammadag, i generally will eventually notice /query :)22:33
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jhb|mobiletimeless_n900: doesn't seem to work with that plugin...22:53
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eppwhere can i get the patched drivber for injectioon?22:56
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crashanddie_also, learn to type23:03
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jhb|mobilephone crashed...23:23
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hardakerjhb|mobile: you should get an n900.  They don't crash.  :-P23:29
jhb|mobilestupid me ;)23:30
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jhb|mobilefound an xpi for ovi maps, still hangs though....23:41
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mr_cecildoes anyone know if there is a mirror of harbaum's repo at

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