| crashanddie_ | and all the cool kids think that grey goose is the best vodka around | 00:00 |
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| ieatlint | heh, no, hangar one is the best vodka around | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | tsk tsk tsk, another mid week conference :P | 00:01 |
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| ieatlint | there won't be a lack of good booze here though... we have napa valley immediately to the north, one of the best small distilleries across the bay (where they film all those episodes of mythbusters on the old runway), and awesome local breweries throughout the area | 00:03 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, don't you remember, we don't want your kind there. | 00:04 |
| Proteous | 209 gin FTW | 00:04 |
| GAN900 | It even rhymes! | 00:05 |
| Proteous | heh | 00:05 |
| Proteous | we have tons of good beer here | 00:06 |
| wmarone | hmm, SF. that's actually close enough I could go | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, /me cries | 00:08 |
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| javispedro | so, they did indeed announce windows nt for arm. | 00:20 |
| Proteous | heh | 00:20 |
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| ShadowJK | So my plan was to buy a second N900 to use while my first N900 goes in for repair | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | (and maybe sell one of them if/when nokia manages to repair it) | 00:21 |
| javispedro | they're not going to use stock explorer.exe as gui for windows for arm | 00:21 |
| javispedro | s/gui/shell | 00:21 |
| pradeep_ | ShadowJK, what happen to your fone | 00:22 |
| javispedro | so it will be something more like what apple did . | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | But, of the 3 big stores in town, one didn't have it at all (and the seller was a useless drooling lobotomized idiot), second store had only a display model, and some window shopper had entered a lock code, so I would have had to crack that myself or have it on 3 week round trip to nokia anyway | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | and third store had the most helpful seller, who claimed that the N900 is out of production, but that their (the store's) main warehouse still has 3 of them, and that although it'd be difficult he'd be able to get one for me | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | :/ | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | pradeep_, cellmo probably desoldered itself | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | or cracked PCB, dunno | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | today FMTX didn't work, that was new | 00:23 |
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| pradeep_ | ShadowJK, why not get another product probably andriod | 00:24 |
| pradeep_ | huh | 00:24 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: ebay? :) | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | pradeep_, the goal is to minimize tiem without working phone. If I get an android phone, I'll ahve to spend weeks on hacking it so I can run maemo on it? | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | Only vaguely usable android I saw was some Samsung thing, and it didn't even have a keyboard, which was silly considering they wanted 700 Euro for it | 00:25 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: desoldered itself and started aimlessly scrambling inside the casing, looking for a way to escape! | 00:26 |
| RST38h | evening javispedro | 00:26 |
| javispedro | hey RST38h | 00:26 |
| RST38h | Samsung is preparing a 4.5" 4G Android handsed btw | 00:26 |
| RST38h | handset | 00:26 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, well it works if I place it ona table (and give some echo blah blah > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cmt_* magic), or if I carefully hold it | 00:26 |
| GAN900 | I don't get the appeal of giant handsets. | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | but like, ctrl-backspace on keyboard often makes cmt reset itself | 00:27 |
| GAN900 | I mean, maybe if it were 1024x640 or summuch. | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | well... I think I'd prefer N810 size screen tbh :/ | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | even with 800x480 | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | N900 is sort of at the limit of my eyesight | 00:27 |
| RST38h | Gan: Screen. Most of that handset is screen. Good for reading and the web. | 00:27 |
| RST38h | Gan: It is still pocketable though, very thin and almost no frame | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | hey can you make phonecalls on samsung tab? | 00:29 |
| RST38h | yes | 00:29 |
| RST38h | have to have a handset though | 00:29 |
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| javispedro | huh | 00:31 |
| javispedro | bah | 00:31 |
| javispedro | I should get a palm t|x again =) | 00:32 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Samsung launches 'world's first' Android MP3 player | 00:32 |
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| * RST38h cackles | 00:32 | |
| ShadowJK | hm :-) | 00:33 |
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| javispedro | this entire windows arm thing.. | 00:34 |
| javispedro | dunno. | 00:34 |
| javispedro | I'm still impressed, but guess MS is late. | 00:35 |
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| RST38h | So, anyone betting on this being a repackaged WinCE? | 00:38 |
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| RST38h | Or is it a full Vista rewrite for ARM? =) | 00:38 |
| Proteous | only if it's a realtime OS | 00:38 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: that would be stupid. it's actually wp7 over wnt instead of wce | 00:38 |
| javispedro | reason (imo) is to get similar if not same kernel & userspace API | 00:39 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Sounds like the "best" of both =) | 00:39 |
| javispedro | probably. | 00:39 |
| javispedro | but as I've learnt, bad usually wins =) | 00:39 |
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| epp | i need the injection driver for n900 :( | 00:48 |
| alterego | donate then | 00:50 |
| alterego | I wouldn't mind it, but I don't need it | 00:50 |
| alterego | I've got 3 dongles and integrated wifi card in my laptop capable of injection. | 00:51 |
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| pradeep_ | i need internet but it is pretty expensive | 00:52 |
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| pradeep_ | sometime i wish i could break some wep KEY | 00:52 |
| javispedro | you know a movie is awful when it's only few minutes into it and you already want the hero to die DIE DIE | 00:52 |
| pradeep_ | HELLO alterego | 00:52 |
| alterego | Hello pradeep_ | 00:53 |
| * alterego downloads another caprica | 00:53 | |
| pradeep_ | alterego, what is a caprica | 00:54 |
| alterego | rubbish tv show | 00:55 |
| pradeep_ | okay | 00:55 |
| alterego | prequal to the battlestar galactica remake | 00:55 |
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| ZogG_work | i like that in meego they went separetly with windows decoration and status menu | 01:02 |
| ZogG_work | would be nice to have it in maemo as hildon modification | 01:02 |
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| alterego | ZogG_work: too much work | 01:03 |
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| alterego | Better to just port mtf tbh | 01:03 |
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| ZogG_work | yeah it would be nice to have both to choose | 01:04 |
| ZogG_work | but on other hand you can't fully port and support it | 01:04 |
| ZogG_work | as it would be made for multitouch devices | 01:04 |
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| alterego | mtf works fine with single touch | 01:05 |
| alterego | Just don't use multitouch gestures | 01:05 |
| ZogG_work | for now it is | 01:05 |
| ZogG_work | but it's only start =( | 01:05 |
| alterego | It's up to the app dev | 01:05 |
| ZogG_work | as well as does maemo apps depend on hildon somehow? | 01:06 |
| alterego | Sure a lot do, but most are developing in Qt now | 01:06 |
| alterego | anyhow bbl | 01:07 |
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| ZogG_work | yeah but i mean specific componets | 01:08 |
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| ZogG_work | like switching between subwindows? | 01:08 |
| ZogG_work | i mean screens when u have several screens in same appp | 01:08 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, how many devices can i plug into the usb simultaenously to work on the n900? | 01:24 |
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| mikki-kun | so like if i use a hub, can i insert there mouse/keyboard/dvd/hdd (powered hub of course) and the n900 manages them all? | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | as much as you want, as long as power suffices | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | or get a powered network of hubs and connect 100 devices, but seriously, you're better off finding a PC then :P | 01:26 |
| alterego | Or a new hobby | 01:27 |
| alterego | :D | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:28 |
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| ds3 | try connecting 129 devices ;) | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought there was a hardware limit on the number of inbound endpoints | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not read details though - it was just soeones clai | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | m | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | probably, never checked that | 01:31 |
| javispedro | wel | 01:31 |
| * MohammadAG used to have 4 hubs connected to each other | 01:31 | |
| javispedro | obviously there's always a limit | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | but that's the max I ever did | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | 4x4 = 16 | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean a limit under the max logical limit | 01:32 |
| javispedro | I am not sure -- there's a limit for the gadget controller | 01:32 |
| javispedro | but host, dunno. | 01:32 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: :D | 01:32 |
| ds3 | there are 127 possible addresses | 01:32 |
| ds3 | and hubs consume one so :D | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | chances are your battery will die before you find out the limit | 01:32 |
| ds3 | it is all part of that conspiracy to not put the extra power connector ;) | 01:33 |
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| javispedro | well | 01:34 |
| javispedro | a conspiracy Nokia seems not to be part of. | 01:35 |
| ZogG_work | MohammadAG: it's 4x4-3=13 | 01:35 |
| ZogG_work | as u connect each hub to each other | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | 14, I connect two hubs together, the last one is plugged into my PC | 01:36 |
| ZogG_work | it's funny that modern phones don't have separete battery input | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | don't try to correct me, you'll end up wrong :P | 01:37 |
| ZogG_work | i think it can be much batter | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | jk | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | N8 has microUSB and 2mm charging | 01:37 |
| ZogG_work | it's not modern | 01:37 |
| mikki-kun | hm, thanks | 01:37 |
| ZogG_work | but modern as android devices and iphones | 01:37 |
| mikki-kun | i will buy myself then a powered hub :) | 01:37 |
| ZogG_work | oh n8 | 01:37 |
| ZogG_work | not n800 | 01:37 |
| ZogG_work | my mistake | 01:37 |
| ZogG_work | MohammadAG: so was it 3 or 4 hubs | 01:38 |
| mikki-kun | i hope i can get then as well a proper video output cable :) | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | 3 hubs | 01:38 |
| mikki-kun | then my n900 might act as a full fledged computer \o/ | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | start of chain - 4 port -1 = 3 -> 4 ports -1 = 3 + 4 ports | 01:39 |
| mikki-kun | just the battery is... does the powered root hub power the n900? | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | err | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | 4 hubs | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | start of chain - 4 port -1 = 3 -> 4 ports -1 = 3 + 4 ports -1 = 3 -> 4 ports | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | so that's 3+3+3+4 | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | 9+4=13 | 01:40 |
| * MohammadAG stabs self | 01:40 | |
| ZogG_work | HAHAHA =) | 01:40 |
| mikki-kun | if i use hen, is the n900 drawing power from a powered hub? | 01:40 |
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| alterego | mikki-kun: not yet | 01:43 |
| mikki-kun | is it development? | 01:44 |
| mikki-kun | *in | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | you can with a few tricks in terminal | 01:44 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: are you willing to share them with me? :) | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | they're on tmo somewhere :P | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | in blue_led's posts | 01:45 |
| mikki-kun | i might be using my n900 in the future as a true umpc in case my netbook dies or so | 01:45 |
| mikki-kun | thanks :) | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | but you can't with the GUI ;) | 01:45 |
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| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: i am used to the xterm :) | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | good :) | 01:46 |
| mikki-kun | i started that one first when i got my n900 ^^ | 01:46 |
| mikki-kun | and i think kernel-compiling and gentooing without a terminal is not possible :) | 01:46 |
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| ds3 | it all depends on what you need done as your umpc | 01:47 |
| ds3 | it does most things already | 01:47 |
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| MohammadAG | except the dishes | 01:47 |
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| ds3 | bluetooth dishwasher ;) | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | someone submit a patch to MeeGo, maybe they could have it in 1.3 | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | ds3, hey, there's a bluetooth coffeemaker in the repos, so who knows | 01:48 |
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| * MohammadAG has a project in mind | 01:48 | |
| MohammadAG | a bluetooth messenger | 01:48 |
| ds3 | but has anyone really sat down and listed what they want to do with their current laptop and see what is missing? | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | would be awesome in the MeeGo conference :P | 01:48 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: what kind of messenger? | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, text | 01:48 |
| ds3 | MohammadAG: though there was one out for the N800 or 770 before? | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | something that can be used without bothering people around you wish noise | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | ds3, idk, but I'm thinking Qt | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | since most people I know have Symbian devices | 01:49 |
| ds3 | tied in with telepathy? | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | then maemo ones | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | nah, that's not pure Qt | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | I want something that works on Windows/Linux/Mac/Maemo/MeeGo | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | /Symbian/Windows Mobile (if it gets 4.7) | 01:50 |
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| MohammadAG | /android (if they get an unofficial port on it) | 01:50 |
| javispedro | just standarize on the protocol | 01:50 |
| mikki-kun | hm, i hope i will get tomorrow my micro sd card then as well | 01:50 |
| mikki-kun | will try nitdroid | 01:50 |
| javispedro | the only problem is that aiui bt allows for a max of 8 devices on a net | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, 8 including you, yes | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | we could always do something like an extender :P | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | someone who forwards traffic between each 8 devices | 01:51 |
| javispedro | well, that's the good idea :) | 01:51 |
| mikki-kun | but why go bluetooth? | 01:52 |
| javispedro | power | 01:52 |
| mikki-kun | hu? | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | or everyone connects with a different group of octasomes, with one common person in between | 01:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Octasomes + wifi briginators. | 01:53 |
| mikki-kun | i thought bluetooth is a power hogger | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | it uses less than the display afaik | 01:53 |
| javispedro | well, adhoc wifi eats more | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | s/more/most/? :) | 01:53 |
| javispedro | someone link the wiki page with the raw data ;) | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | There isn't any data on bluetooth being actively used, nor adhoc wifi | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I would suspect adhoc wifi to use lots more though | 01:54 |
| javispedro | perfect. then we can keep on elaborating the truth instead of using the real one! | 01:55 |
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| MohammadAG | so, is anyone with me on the project? | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | (after the mediaplayer, so post-January) | 01:56 |
| mikki-kun | has here anybody had with muppen64 success in running zelda oot? | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, might be interested | 01:56 |
| javispedro | mikki-kun: me. with older gfx plugin. | 01:56 |
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| mikki-kun | javispedro: did it run good enough to be of use? | 01:56 |
| javispedro | imho, no. | 01:56 |
| mikki-kun | :/ | 01:57 |
| mikki-kun | i miss oot :( | 01:57 |
| javispedro | then again imho nothing in mupen64 currently runs good enough... | 01:57 |
| mikki-kun | really? :o | 01:57 |
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| MohammadAG | epic win http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=912453&postcount=11 | 01:58 |
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| MohammadAG | xD | 01:58 |
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| mikki-kun | LOL | 01:59 |
| ds3 | I want it tied in with the conversations stuff so there is just one UI | 01:59 |
| alterego | javispedro, MohammadAG didn't we talk about this, I had an idea of a daisy chaining network with bluetooth | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | ds3, no chance, it's not telepathy and it's not gtk | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I don't think I was here if you did | 02:00 |
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| alterego | Oh | 02:00 |
| javispedro | well, I kinda remember | 02:00 |
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| alterego | Well, you have unlimited capacity if you daisy chain | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | so, yes/on? :P | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 02:00 |
| javispedro | I am not exactly a fan of the entire manet craze so I tend to ignore the stuff =) | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | regardless of who mentioned it first | 02:01 |
| alterego | Oh, that's right, I was trying to give Venemo ideas for an app for his course. | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | wanna start on it in feb :P | 02:01 |
| alterego | I don't even know what "it" is. | 02:01 |
| alterego | I only reviewed the BT bit ;) | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | a bt messenger | 02:01 |
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| MohammadAG | in pure Qt | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | On a related matter. | 02:02 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: ah, one-to-one? | 02:02 |
| internetishard | The internet stopped working on my phone, any idea how to tell if this is Tmo or me? | 02:02 |
| alterego | Yes, that was my idea ^_^ | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, one to one or one to many | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a 'browse BT ftp device' ? | 02:02 |
| internetishard | I can send and receive texts and calls, of course | 02:02 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: probably gone in Fremantle, was on the Diablo file manager. | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | you could communicate with MeeGo device owners and they could diss your closed source OS | 02:02 |
| alterego | internetishard: restart device. | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | or you could talk with mac owners and tell them how it sucks | 02:02 |
| alterego | Hhe | 02:02 |
| alterego | Heh, bbiab | 02:02 |
| internetishard | alterego: I did | 02:03 |
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| alterego | internetishard: wifi or 3G | 02:04 |
| internetishard | wifi works, 3g no | 02:04 |
| alterego | Oh, mine isn't working on either at the moment | 02:05 |
| alterego | brb | 02:05 |
| ZogG_work | who is maintaining maemo.org? | 02:05 |
| ZogG_work | i mean who can edit and add changes? | 02:05 |
| lcuk | g | 02:06 |
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| lcuk | ZogG_work, what changes? | 02:06 |
| ZogG_work | in downloads section there is install icon for the packages | 02:07 |
| ZogG_work | it would be more nice if it would be QR code icon as we have mbarcode | 02:07 |
| lcuk | file a website bug. | 02:07 |
| lcuk | and related people will pop up and discuss | 02:07 |
| ZogG_work | should it go to bugs.maemo.org? | 02:08 |
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| internetishard | how could I determine if tmo is cutting me off or if my phone is malefunctioning? | 02:09 |
| alterego | ZogG_work: yes, under website stuff | 02:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | internetishard: one non-exhaustive test would be to try another phone or SIM | 02:09 |
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| ZogG_work | internetishard: what do u mean tmo or internet? | 02:10 |
| internetishard | t-mobile | 02:10 |
| ZogG_work | hahaha | 02:10 |
| internetishard | if they're cutting me off 3g access or if my phone is | 02:10 |
| ZogG_work | tmo around here is talk.maemo.org | 02:10 |
| MrBawb | internetishard: does it error out when you try to get a 3g connection? | 02:10 |
| internetishard | It did a few times, but if I restart it doesn't | 02:11 |
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| internetishard | (but I can't ping google or anything) | 02:11 |
| alterego | internetishard: probably something wrong with you phone providers network. | 02:11 |
| alterego | I'd wait a few hours and try again | 02:12 |
| internetishard | will do | 02:12 |
| MrBawb | when you try and ping google, you get an ip but not response to ping? have you tried traceroute? | 02:12 |
| ZogG_work | have u changed anything lately and did u have internet before? | 02:13 |
| internetishard | hostnames don't resolve | 02:13 |
| internetishard | I don't think I changed anything | 02:14 |
| nox- | internetishard, do you still get gsm? /me via tmobile as well and their 3g was down twice since i have the n900, for several days each time... | 02:14 |
| internetishard | yeah, I can make and get calls | 02:14 |
| nox- | ah ok | 02:14 |
| MrBawb | ok, what about trying to ping an ip? /var/run/resolv.conf.gprs should have your DNS IPs | 02:15 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: anyway, yeah well up for it, though I would like to include telepathy | 02:16 |
| alterego | It's a project I've had penned for about 4 maybe 5 years. | 02:17 |
| MrBawb | heh, apparently only one of the resolvers t-mobile hands me works right now | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tmo | 02:17 |
| infobot | tmo is, like, http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo | 02:17 |
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| alterego | bloody wget stalls :/ | 02:22 |
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| BCMM | almost certainly not wget's problem... | 02:23 |
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| alterego | I know | 02:24 |
| alterego | I get it every now-and-again on the N900 :/ | 02:24 |
| BCMM | ctrl-c, !! -c | 02:25 |
| alterego | Oh wait, actually it's scp | 02:25 |
| alterego | (I'm an idiot ;) | 02:25 |
| BCMM | if the network is dodgy, use rsync... | 02:26 |
| alterego | Still retarded | 02:26 |
| alterego | Yeah, I should learn rsync via ssh at some point .. | 02:26 |
| BCMM | it's effectively a drop-in scp replacement for simple operation anyway | 02:26 |
| alterego | It's single rather large files | 02:26 |
| BCMM | and it has the --partial option, which you appear to need desperately right now | 02:26 |
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| alterego | seems to have finished good, brb | 02:27 |
| BCMM | yeah, no learning required. replace literally replace the letters "scp" with the letters "rsync", unless you are using some arcane scp flags | 02:27 |
| BCMM | it uses the same user@host:/path/to/file syntax | 02:27 |
| alterego | nice, and it'll do partials? | 02:30 |
| BCMM | yeah | 02:30 |
| alterego | resume automatically like that? | 02:30 |
| BCMM | it also has --progress, which is good for large files too | 02:30 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I'd want that for what I use it for | 02:31 |
| alterego | Thanks :) | 02:31 |
| alterego | bbiab | 02:31 |
| BCMM | also, -z to use compression | 02:31 |
| BCMM | whether that makes things faster is a function of network speed and cpu speed though | 02:31 |
| lcuk | BCMM, which protocol does rsync use? | 02:31 |
| lcuk | does it go over ssh? | 02:31 |
| BCMM | lcuk: various, but ssh is simplest | 02:32 |
| lcuk | cool | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: It also does changes in files efficiently | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: and is all-round cool. | 02:32 |
| BCMM | if you just do rsync file user@host:/file, if behaves just like SCP | 02:32 |
| BCMM | uses SSH, including SFTP if the server supports it | 02:33 |
| BCMM | but it also has options to deal with partials and to efficiently update directories and to inform you of progress and so on | 02:34 |
| ZogG_work | damn | 02:34 |
| ZogG_work | wrote a whole assay as the answer to post and shitty internet doesn't post it | 02:34 |
| ZogG_work | and it's gone from it's cache =( | 02:34 |
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| BCMM | lcuk: ssh by default, but also does rsh, etc., or the rsync daemon | 02:36 |
| BCMM | which can be set up for anonymous "pull" access for mirroring stuff | 02:36 |
| lcuk | neat | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, is telepathy compatible with windows/mac/meego? | 02:36 |
| BCMM | it's how Gentoo distributes it's portage tree | 02:36 |
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| MohammadAG | scratch the meego part | 02:37 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: Yes, should be if it isn't and I want it to be, so I'd happily put in effort there. | 02:37 |
| ZogG_work | BCMM: finally gentoo is switching for git =) | 02:38 |
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| BCMM | ZogG_work: for syncing the tree? | 02:38 |
| alterego | With tele we wouldn't need to develop a new UI though, except it would be cool to have an open conversations, Qt Empathy | 02:38 |
| alterego | basically ;) | 02:38 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, hmm, maybe part of the conversations rewrite? | 02:40 |
| ZogG_work | BCMM: yes from 2.2 | 02:40 |
| ZogG_work | BCMM: already there but hardmasked | 02:41 |
| ZogG_work | Daniels convinsed the guys as he implented it in funtoo | 02:41 |
| ZogG_work | i'm looking towards funtoo more and more | 02:41 |
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| ZogG_work | as Daniels has a great vision imo | 02:41 |
| BCMM | ZogG_work: yeah, i've been using 2.2 for a while, but are they seriously gonna release that sometime before DNF comes out? | 02:42 |
| lcuk | ZogG_work, who do you mean by daniels, who is he since I know a user with that nick. | 02:42 |
| BCMM | oh, i see they've started calling portage 2.2 releases "alpha" instead of "rc". when did that happen? | 02:43 |
| ZogG_work | Daniels the founder of gentoo | 02:43 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: exactly, | 02:43 |
| ZogG_work | he left gentoo project and now he has gentoo based distro named funtoo | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, that wouldn't be compatible with symbian though :/ | 02:43 |
| ZogG_work | BCMM: what is DNF? | 02:43 |
| lcuk | ZogG_work, so, Daniel Robbins | 02:44 |
| BCMM | ZogG_work: duke nukem forever, a video game i presumed everybody knew about by now due to the infamy of it's delayed release | 02:44 |
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| BCMM | ZogG_work: kinda like Hurd jokes, for gamers | 02:44 |
| ZogG_work | oh i know | 02:45 |
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| ZogG_work | just didn't know what for stand DNF | 02:45 |
| ZogG_work | as i see it portage is getting there | 02:45 |
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| * MohammadAG never read about DNF | 02:46 | |
| ZogG_work | i'm on unstable even today updated(for last 3 days0 and got new portage that is 2.19 something i think =) | 02:46 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: do, it's funny. it was supposed to be released in the 90s. The latest release date is in 2011. | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 02:47 |
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| BCMM | the funny thing was earlier this year when it was cancelled, and people thought it was actually dead. they must've forgotten how many times it'd been cancelled before. | 02:49 |
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| BCMM | ZogG_work: i upgraded to portage 2.2.0rcsomething ages ago for the new sets, and presumed it would be released soonish because that's what I think "rc" means. now i don't really know how to find out anything about it's progress or when it is supposed to be released | 02:50 |
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| ZogG_work | BCMM: i less and less like gentoo community, maybe it's personal as i was banned for now reason from off chan but still. that's why i'm looking at funtoo and thinking to give a try | 02:53 |
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| ZogG_work | BCMM: the funny thing that now devs of DNF can't fail as people really do excpect it to be cool after all these years | 02:54 |
| BCMM | no, that's why it can't win... | 02:55 |
| BCMM | oh god, they called portage 2.2 "alpha" because they'd reached rc99 | 02:55 |
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| ZogG_work | rc_over9000 | 02:56 |
| ZogG_work | =) | 02:56 |
| ZogG_work | asi heard they didn't want to move it to git till he asked them =) | 02:56 |
| ZogG_work | btw i saw something interesting at funtoo homepage - metro | 02:56 |
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| BCMM | ZogG_work: heh, it sounds like what i'm actually using, tbh - only stable. openrc, portage 2.2, etc... | 03:00 |
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| ZogG_work | openrc is there for a long time correct me if i'm wrong | 03:01 |
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| ZogG_work | and funtoo has some changes as well | 03:01 |
| BCMM | ZogG_work: yes, but it is still masked on gentoo | 03:01 |
| ZogG_work | i'm on unstable | 03:02 |
| ZogG_work | i think unstable is not really masked | 03:02 |
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| BCMM | i installed it anyway a couple of weeks ago, and it literally halved my grub->xorg time. | 03:02 |
| ZogG_work | as stable for servers and not desktops | 03:02 |
| ZogG_work | halved? | 03:03 |
| ZogG_work | i think i read about it somewhere today | 03:03 |
| ZogG_work | it was or fixed or in todo list =) | 03:03 |
| ZogG_work | but what does word halve means? | 03:03 |
| ZogG_work | mean* | 03:03 |
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| pupnik | 1/2 | 03:06 |
| pupnik | as a verb, the process of 1 -> 1/2 | 03:07 |
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| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: can you remember maybe some keywords of blue led's post? i have trouble finding it | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | charging | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | orange led | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 03:09 |
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| mikki-kun | thanks :) | 03:10 |
| ZogG_work | pupnik: thanks, it's from the "half" =) now i got it | 03:10 |
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| pupnik | it would be logical to spell it "halfs" not "halves" | 03:11 |
| lcuk | w000t b-man|N900 :D | 03:12 |
| pupnik | but english is a tree of traditions | 03:12 |
| b-man|N900 | lol | 03:12 |
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| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, page 50 post 500 | 03:13 |
| BCMM | ZogG_work: to "halve" is to multiply by 0.5 | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=885770&postcount=500 | 03:14 |
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| MohammadAG | BCMM, or divide by 2 | 03:14 |
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| BCMM | i like english's irregular words for certain common multiplication tasks | 03:14 |
| mikki-kun | i just found it :) | 03:14 |
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| BCMM | "double", "triple", "quadruple" | 03:14 |
| mikki-kun | thanks for the help though :) | 03:14 |
| * b-man|N900 does some math homework | 03:15 | |
| ZogG_work | pupnik: i think i even knew that word but didn't used it for a long time as well as it simple a lot of words change f to ve =) | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | b-man|N900, care to do mine? | 03:15 |
| lcuk | b-man|N900, do you still have the stuff you did back at the start of mer | 03:15 |
| lcuk | with ubuntu afaik? | 03:15 |
| lcuk | because something stands out - the desktop background picture you used | 03:15 |
| BCMM | and i don't know why "halves" has a V, but i suspect it's for similar reasons to the Vs in "leaves" and "wolves" | 03:15 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: would these instructions also work with a powered hub? | 03:15 |
| lcuk | i think it was green | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, red | 03:16 |
| lcuk | hm? | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, probably | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, the last mer release was red | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | like a bloody Nseries theme | 03:16 |
| mikki-kun | ok, i might try it out if i can get a decent hub :) | 03:16 |
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| ZogG_work | anyone played with linux on ebooks trying to change it? | 03:17 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, | 03:17 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=629162#post629162 | 03:17 |
| lcuk | it was this b-man|N900 ^^ :D | 03:17 |
| lcuk | and I was right, it was green | 03:17 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, dont recall red mer | 03:17 |
| lcuk | do you have screenies? | 03:17 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, nope, sadly | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | but I'm sure there was a red one | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | and by sure I mean very sure :P | 03:18 |
| lcuk | pics or it didn't happen. | 03:19 |
| ZogG_work | there is mer for n900 i thought it was for n8*0 | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, which reminds me | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | it was kinda sexy | 03:19 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, what was? | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | the red background | 03:20 |
| lcuk | vapourware! | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | nope :P | 03:20 |
| pupnik | "Opportunities multiply as they are siezed." - Sun Tzu | 03:21 |
| ZogG_work | shortkeys in menu is patches or standart hildon ? | 03:21 |
| lcuk | i suppose there was a duke nukem icon too :P | 03:21 |
| lcuk | ZogG_work, "linux on ebooks" ? | 03:21 |
| * lcuk just reads books on liqbase | 03:21 | |
| ZogG_work | lcuk: there are ebooks and most of them use linux | 03:21 |
| ZogG_work | i have sony prs 650 and wonder how hard it ould be to add extra lang support and formats | 03:22 |
| lcuk | what sort of screen refresh do the eink guys get? | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, found it! http://blip.tv/file/3209258 | 03:22 |
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| lcuk | heh cool MohammadAG | 03:23 |
| lcuk | all those mer packages are in obs you know | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | but | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | I told you it was red :P | 03:24 |
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| lcuk | lol yeah | 03:24 |
| lcuk | but that actually showed more that mer was ubuntu based | 03:24 |
| lcuk | rather than a clean start | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | idc, it was red | 03:24 |
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| * MohammadAG is a bit childish atm | 03:24 | |
| ZogG_work | lcuk: what u mean refresh, it's not refreshing | 03:24 |
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| lcuk | ZogG_work, i mean when content changes the screen must be redrawn | 03:25 |
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| lcuk | how long is it taking | 03:25 |
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| ZogG_work | lcuk: oh that, i dunno, but there are elemnts that changed without redrawing all screen btw | 03:26 |
| lcuk | ZogG_work, sure, but when you are using it, how well is the ui coping | 03:27 |
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| guille_ | hi | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, can you watch the vid and check sth out | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | the dialogs open differently | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | with a bounce effect | 03:30 |
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| MohammadAG | heh | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | it's controllable in transitions.ini | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | looks kinda awesome | 03:32 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, yeah :) | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's new? | 03:33 |
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| ZogG_work | lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KQphz-Tlbg&feature=related | 03:35 |
| lcuk | cool | 03:36 |
| ZogG_work | i have this model | 03:36 |
| lcuk | ZogG_work, the full black flickering appears quite shocking | 03:36 |
| lcuk | i wonder why it has to fully reset whole screen when only certain pixels need rotating | 03:37 |
| lcuk | ie the white areas should remain white, etc | 03:37 |
| ZogG_work | u getting used to it, as it's not video but static reading it's okay | 03:37 |
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| HtheB | o/ | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I guess something with matrix, and resetting whole screen to a same state (like warming up oil in the bubbles) | 03:51 |
| HtheB | anyone here ? :) | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: obviously not | 03:51 |
| HtheB | :D heh | 03:51 |
| HtheB | what's up doc... | 03:51 |
| HtheB | (lol!) | 03:51 |
| HtheB | I have some problems with aircrack-ng :p | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, that's interesting | 03:52 |
| HtheB | yesterday, it worked ok on my n900 | 03:52 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I thought eink was polarised balls? perhaps it simply does not know state so has to reset to "known set" before deciding what to do with it | 03:52 |
| HtheB | but now, I cant even airmon-ng start wlan0 ¬_¬ | 03:52 |
| lcuk | reboot | 03:53 |
| HtheB | gives an error | 03:53 |
| HtheB | did a lot | 03:53 |
| HtheB | >.< | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: the balls are embedded in mircobubbles, swimming in a liquid (oil?) | 03:53 |
| lcuk | battery pop? | 03:53 |
| HtheB | says: neither the sysfs interface links nor the iw command is available. | 03:53 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, sure | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: also they are not polarized but simply half black half white | 03:54 |
| ZogG_work | Qualcomm is buying atheros =) | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB, ignore that | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | they have a electrostatic polarization though | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_work, back to intel | 03:54 |
| HtheB | hmm | 03:54 |
| HtheB | ok :) | 03:54 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, to be rotated they must be | 03:54 |
| HtheB | then.... let's try again | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: yep | 03:54 |
| HtheB | oh by the way | 03:54 |
| HtheB | the Bluetooth problem I have, is still not solved :( | 03:54 |
| HtheB | maybe some of you guys can help me | 03:54 |
| HtheB | I have a bluetooth problem on my maemo | 03:55 |
| HtheB | I removed a paired device (my laptop) from the N900 | 03:55 |
| HtheB | and now... I can't even start my bluetooth again | 03:55 |
| ZogG_work | Qualcomm is intel? | 03:55 |
| BCMM | "e-ink" has been used for several (possibly any) tech that doesn't draw current when it isn't updating | 03:55 |
| ZogG_work | btw i hate lack of middle click mouse as paste on windows | 03:55 |
| MohammadAG | no, i hate qualcomm and was gonna buy an atheros card | 03:55 |
| ZogG_work | i hate windows actually | 03:55 |
| lcuk | BCMM, sure | 03:55 |
| lcuk | but my observation was that to change full screen it does a flick to one color first | 03:56 |
| ZogG_work | MohammadAG: atheros on linux wasn't that good till last year | 03:56 |
| lcuk | instead of just changing the "wrong" pixels | 03:56 |
| ZogG_work | what card did u want? | 03:56 |
| lcuk | so was wondering why | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | I need an intel 512N | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | can't remember the model of the atheros card | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | but i need the 512N | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | broadcom is just too crappy | 03:56 |
| lcuk | it would certainly help make screen refreshes more fluid | 03:56 |
| ZogG_work | why do u want wlan card? | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | cause it's a laptop | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | and broadcom is retarded on linux | 03:57 |
| ZogG_work | don't u have built in? | 03:57 |
| ZogG_work | just wait | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | wait for what | 03:57 |
| ZogG_work | broadcom is developing drivers as well as there are open drivers | 03:58 |
| ZogG_work | i had crappy and still have atheros card | 03:58 |
| MohammadAG | umm, those suck too fwiw | 03:58 |
| ZogG_work | that works terrible under linux | 03:58 |
| ZogG_work | now it works much better with new drivers | 03:58 |
| MohammadAG | intel worked best | 03:58 |
| MohammadAG | i had a 2200BG in my old laptop | 03:58 |
| ZogG_work | back when i bought it i used ndiswrapper to use it | 03:58 |
| MohammadAG | used to have a connection before the desktop was up | 03:59 |
| ZogG_work | i have only one laptop | 03:59 |
| ZogG_work | that iFORGOT today to bring to work | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: more astonishing is you obviously can't reset single pixels. So aiui they first change whole screen to black, so the erase to white gives a really clean screen | 03:59 |
| ZogG_work | i brought empty laptop bag | 03:59 |
| MohammadAG | facepalm | 03:59 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 03:59 |
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| ZogG_work | now stack with windows computer and bored | 03:59 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_work, any ideas where i can get a 512N here? | 03:59 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, hence my thinking that the technology does not actually know the state | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:00 |
| MohammadAG | it's a half-mini card, whatever that means | 04:00 |
| ZogG_work | i almost never took it out at home but as girl was last weekend at my place and i have win only on laptopo and she needed it for photoshop i took it out | 04:00 |
| HtheB | anyone has any knowledge of the Bluetooth from n900? | 04:00 |
| HtheB | (where the config file is been saved) | 04:00 |
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| MohammadAG | it's bluez, google bluez config file | 04:00 |
| HtheB | hmm | 04:00 |
| lcuk | HtheB, no sorry | 04:01 |
| lcuk | i bet tmo folks will have | 04:01 |
| ZogG_work | MohammadAG: have u checked zap? | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I assume there's static friction. that's why you need to reset all to white, then rotate each ball to the destination pos in one move | 04:01 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_work, that site freaks me out for some reason, probably the eyes | 04:01 |
| ZogG_work | MohammadAG: if you would say earlier i would get you one from russia =) | 04:01 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, but certain refresh operations do it differently | 04:01 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_work, mind checking it for me? idk hebrew :P | 04:01 |
| lcuk | ie, when selecting a word or a box | 04:01 |
| lcuk | it only updates the small amount | 04:01 |
| lcuk | so, I think its possible but makes assumptions | 04:02 |
| lcuk | ie "invert all pixels in rect" | 04:02 |
| lcuk | is feasible | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: a slightly grey ball has a low momentum when trying to move it back to white | 04:02 |
| ZogG_work | MohammadAG: i want to make an app like zap when u can check prices by barcode =) | 04:02 |
| ZogG_work | i bet it something like /etc/blue something (use tab-tab) | 04:02 |
| lcuk | even if one or two pixels are a bit wrong | 04:02 |
| lcuk | it doesnt actually matter | 04:02 |
| BCMM | how low-spec is the device with the weird display? is it resetting to black each frame as a scheme to avoid having to waste memory remembering the state of each pixel? | 04:02 |
| ZogG_work | lcuk: it really got u ah? | 04:02 |
| lcuk | ZogG_work, i have thought about eink for years | 04:02 |
| lcuk | i often wondered how well liqbase would run on it | 04:03 |
| ZogG_work | lcuk: contact the devs and talk to them | 04:03 |
| lcuk | (since liqbase is originally greyscale) | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ...so you can't erase light grey areas without first switching them to black | 04:03 |
| ZogG_work | lcuk: qt is ported to prs 505 =) | 04:03 |
| ds3 | is maemo ported to the prs505? | 04:03 |
| HtheB | wtf :/ | 04:04 |
| HtheB | how can I know that maemo even SEEs my bluetooth | 04:04 |
| BCMM | dmesg? | 04:04 |
| lcuk | BCMM, I think its related to the hw, not the cpu/memory spec | 04:04 |
| ZogG_work | MohammadAG: do u speak hebrew btw? | 04:04 |
| HtheB | :( dman | 04:05 |
| HtheB | damn | 04:05 |
| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67820 | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: lcuk: static friction | 04:05 |
| ZogG_work | HtheB: what exactly u want from bluetooth? | 04:05 |
| ZogG_work | btw how does color eink work than? | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with colored balls? | 04:06 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work: I removed my laptop from the bluetooth paired devices | 04:06 |
| HtheB | (the list on my N900) | 04:06 |
| HtheB | and then... Bluetooth just died :/ | 04:06 |
| HtheB | I can't turn on my bluetooth anymore | 04:06 |
| ZogG_work | what do u mean died? | 04:06 |
| ZogG_work | on n900? | 04:06 |
| HtheB | it removed my other paired devices | 04:06 |
| HtheB | yeah | 04:06 |
| ZogG_work | dmesg? | 04:06 |
| HtheB | ok second | 04:07 |
| BCMM | ZogG_work: probably three different sorts of balls? | 04:07 |
| ZogG_work | dmesg |tail | 04:07 |
| lcuk | HtheB, | 04:07 |
| lcuk | which kernel were you using? | 04:07 |
| BCMM | somehow i think that should be a band name | 04:07 |
| HtheB | power | 04:07 |
| BCMM | or maybe an elaborate curse | 04:07 |
| lcuk | at what frequency? | 04:07 |
| HtheB | 900 :p | 04:07 |
| lcuk | :) | 04:07 |
| HtheB | but I donno if it was at that moment on 900 | 04:07 |
| HtheB | pastebin.com/1eJ3fuFX | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | OVERCLOCKER!!! | 04:08 |
| MohammadAG | i blamed that too btw | 04:08 |
| MohammadAG | dmesg is fine, checked it yesterday | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | i'm just suspecting that overclocking ='d corrupt config | 04:09 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: I tried to locate the config files | 04:09 |
| HtheB | googled it | 04:09 |
| ZogG_work | hmm /etc/init.d/ has nothing bluetooth releated | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: reflash! | 04:10 |
| HtheB | i checked /etc/init.d/bluetooth doesn't even exist :p | 04:10 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: nooooz :( | 04:10 |
| HtheB | not again | 04:10 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-50259.html | 04:10 |
| lcuk | look there ^^^^ | 04:10 |
| mikki-kun | hm, where is the power46 kernel stored? | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: you really expect we chack your device to figure what file got corrupted by OC? | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | check* | 04:11 |
| HtheB | I'm on stock now :( | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't matter, you oc'd | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG | anyways | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG | DEBUG_OUTPUT=1 hildon-status-menu | 04:11 |
| lcuk | when you crash your car, you stop moving at 100mph too. | 04:11 |
| HtheB | lcuk: nice one :P | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG | hopefully, that'll show bt status menu output | 04:11 |
| ZogG_work | does we have locate on maemo? | 04:13 |
| ZogG_work | as i'm not good at find =) | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | doubt it | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | you have which :P | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are you even broken your SoC or BT interface with OCing | 04:13 |
| comawhite | whats a good shopping list app? | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_work: install it | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 04:14 |
| ZogG_work | install what? | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | find-utils | 04:14 |
| HtheB | hmmm | 04:14 |
| ZogG_work | i think i did | 04:14 |
| ZogG_work | still didn't goit it | 04:14 |
| ZogG_work | get* | 04:14 |
| peetah | quit | 04:14 |
| peetah | oops sorry | 04:14 |
| HtheB | nope | 04:15 |
| HtheB | no luck | 04:15 |
| ZogG_work | haha | 04:15 |
| ZogG_work | got ya | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | i suggest a reflash | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | if it doesn't work | 04:15 |
| HtheB | damn :( | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | well, you know | 04:15 |
| ZogG_work | !kick peetah | 04:15 |
| ZogG_work | lol =) | 04:15 |
| mikki-kun | hm, anybody knowing where the kernel is from power46? | 04:15 |
| BCMM | last time i checked, building the slocate DB broke due to assuming a GNU /usr/bin/find | 04:15 |
| ZogG_work | HtheB: find '/' -iname 'blue*t*' | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, unable to parse question | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_work: it's a separate pkg here | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_work, exclude MyDocs | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | (locate) | 04:16 |
| mikki-kun | if i install kernel-power46, where is the boot-image of said kernel? :) | 04:16 |
| ZogG_work | my n900 died | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG | flashed into the kernel partition | 04:16 |
| ZogG_work | not enuf battery from usb for terminal? =) | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: in ... what moh said | 04:16 |
| mikki-kun | and uhhh, may i ask where that one is located? | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/mtd3 | 04:17 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh, thanks | 04:17 |
| MohammadAG | no, you can't extract it | 04:17 |
| mikki-kun | >.< | 04:17 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work: rebooting device | 04:17 |
| HtheB | will do that now :) | 04:17 |
| HtheB | hang on | 04:17 |
| MohammadAG | oh and don't experiment with mtds, they fight back with annoying bricks | 04:17 |
| mikki-kun | -_- the n900 really is on my love/hate scale pretty high... *sigh* | 04:17 |
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| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, most/all embedded devices are like this | 04:18 |
| MohammadAG | my set top box is one | 04:18 |
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| MohammadAG | my router is another | 04:18 |
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| MohammadAG | so, it's not an N900 issue | 04:18 |
| mikki-kun | guess i will fetch at some point an arch install and just bash it over the n900 | 04:18 |
| BCMM | there are plenty of pure-hate embedded devices | 04:18 |
| BCMM | like alarm clocks and ipods | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | what do you want to do exactly | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: To make your router more loved - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDPrFJazD3Q&feature=player_embedded | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | if you want the image just dl it | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | or apt-get --reinstall install kernel-power | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | and it's in /boot as a .fiasco file | 04:19 |
| mikki-kun | just installed multiboot (want to try prepare for nitdroid and i assumed by also installing the kernel-power multiboot files it would just add them properly... | 04:19 |
| mikki-kun | seems i was wrong... | 04:20 |
| mikki-kun | well, kernel-flash needed then i guess | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | run flasher -F *.fiasco -u to extract the zImage | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, no | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | I said kernel-power | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | not kernel-power-flasher | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, sfw? :P | 04:20 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | MULTIBOOT GRRRRRRRRR | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke multiboot | 04:21 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at multiboot ... B☢☢M! | 04:21 | |
| ZogG_work | 'ישא? | 04:21 |
| b-man_ | Lol | 04:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: totally sfw | 04:21 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: you seem to understand where i want to get it placed :) | 04:21 |
| HtheB | http://pastebin.com/RqCRrf5f | 04:21 |
| ZogG_work | what? | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm the maintainer of it, maybe I should replace it with "This package is totally deprecated, ha" | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 04:22 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: not for nitdroid users, right? | 04:22 |
| mikki-kun | or you found an easier way of booting there? | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | uboot | 04:22 |
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| mikki-kun | i read in their forums it doesn't do the trick pretty good | 04:22 |
| ZogG_work | HtheB: try to run /etc/osso-backup/restore.d/always/bluez-restore.sh | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, usually nothing does the trick well if it's not attempted | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | no one tried nitdroid with multiboot | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | err, uboot | 04:23 |
| mikki-kun | eyes tried | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | e-yes? | 04:23 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work: it says Segmentation fault | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | weird, last time i asked him he said he never looked into it | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | yet | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | and last time was this year | 04:24 |
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| spiritd | where is log settings for n900? | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | log? | 04:24 |
| ZogG_work | HtheB: does it work and just don't see devices or u can't turn it on? | 04:24 |
| spiritd | i suspect my n900 for unexpected shutdown | 04:24 |
| mikki-kun | http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=1086.0 | 04:24 |
| e-yes | hi all | 04:24 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work: I can't even turn it on | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | hey e-yes | 04:25 |
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| HtheB | it's like I never used my bluetooth ever | 04:25 |
| mikki-kun | hi there | 04:25 |
| HtheB | doesn't have a bluetooth name too! | 04:25 |
| spiritd | MohammadAG yes some kind of black-box :) | 04:25 |
| HtheB | (field is empty) | 04:25 |
| mikki-kun | seems you woke him up MohammadAG ^^ | 04:25 |
| e-yes | not really. i think it's doable, but some efforts needed | 04:25 |
| HtheB | and when I enter something and save the info | 04:25 |
| HtheB | it doesn't do anything | 04:25 |
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| HtheB | doesn't save the info | 04:25 |
| mikki-kun | e-yes: which efforts are needed to do it? | 04:26 |
| HtheB | it's like the OK button is cancel | 04:26 |
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| e-yes | http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=1086.msg4485#msg4485 | 04:26 |
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| HtheB | wb ZogG_work_ | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | e-yes, not really hard to do :) | 04:27 |
| ds3 | MohammandAG: are you going to use the general broadcast feature of the bluetooth stuff that doesn't require pairing? | 04:27 |
| HtheB | <ZogG_work> HtheB: does it work and just don't see devices or u can't turn it on? | 04:27 |
| MohammadAG | ds3, messenger? we haven't looked into it | 04:27 |
| mikki-kun | e-yes: and which kernel do you actually recommend for gingerbread? | 04:27 |
| e-yes | MohammadAG, i never told it's hard task;) | 04:27 |
| ds3 | MohammandAG: yeah | 04:27 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, does it matter? nitdroid uses its own kernel | 04:27 |
| MohammadAG | why the n? :P | 04:28 |
| e-yes | mikki-kun, nit06 + update (zImage) | 04:28 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: there are a couple of them seeming to float around... | 04:28 |
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| ZogG_work_ | e-yes is here all spying on us =) | 04:28 |
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| HtheB | ZogG_work_: did you read my messages? :p | 04:28 |
| ZogG_work_ | ШПИОН!!! =) | 04:28 |
| ZogG_work_ | yes | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, i see | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | e-yes, indeed, we just need two kernel | 04:28 |
| e-yes | ШПИЁН :) | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | one to boot from mmc, and from SD | 04:28 |
| ZogG_work_ | HtheB: cat /etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf | 04:29 |
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| ZogG_work_ | MohammadAG: nope, we need symlinks =) | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | e-yes, multiboot is deprecated, it has to be dropped, and better sooner than later | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | symlinks for what? | 04:29 |
| HtheB | pastebin.com/HTzvCPgn | 04:29 |
| e-yes | MohammadAG, or try alister's patch, or some initrd-crap:) | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | bme can be included | 04:29 |
| ZogG_work_ | why would someone use something like eselect kernel on gentoo istead of multiple kernels =) | 04:30 |
| e-yes | bme is too big | 04:30 |
| e-yes | (with all dependencies) | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | how big? | 04:30 |
| mikki-kun | e-yes: where can i find said file? the nit06 one... i have loaded gingerbread, the first update to it and then the superuser patch as wekk | 04:30 |
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| HtheB | ZogG_work_: http://pastebin.com/HTzvCPgn | 04:31 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: i saw it somewhere on tmo, i think it was in huge instruction post | 04:31 |
| ZogG_work_ | HtheB: i saw it | 04:32 |
| HtheB | my bad | 04:32 |
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| ZogG_work_ | kernel power can't change the user groups can it? | 04:32 |
| MohammadAG | userspace != kernelspace | 04:32 |
| HtheB | :'( | 04:33 |
| e-yes | mikki-kun, http://downloads.nitdroid.com/nitinstaller/Packages/nitdroid-kernel-2.6.28-06_final1_armel.deb | 04:33 |
| e-yes | and http://downloads.nitdroid.com/e-yes/zImage (replacement for vmlinuz* in /boot/multiboot) | 04:34 |
| e-yes | err | 04:34 |
| e-yes | for vmlinuz*nit06 | 04:34 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh, many thanks :) | 04:34 |
| HtheB | e-yes: I saw a patched nit installer | 04:34 |
| HtheB | it didn't format my card | 04:34 |
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| HtheB | but the patched one worked for me :p | 04:35 |
| ZogG_work_ | is event.d is like init.d? | 04:36 |
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| mikki-kun | e-yes: so i should install that via dpkg -i and after install overwritte the vmlinuz*nit06 image i got with the one i downloaded lastly? | 04:36 |
| ZogG_work_ | how do i start the something from there? | 04:36 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work_: good question | 04:36 |
| e-yes | mikki-kun, yes | 04:36 |
| ZogG_work_ | MohammadAG: i meant the whole package but not the kernel itself | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_work_: start foobar | 04:37 |
| ZogG_work_ | HtheB: ^ | 04:37 |
| ZogG_work_ | start bluetoothd | 04:37 |
| ZogG_work_ | DocScrutinizer: i used to do it /etc/init.d/foobar start/restart/stop | 04:38 |
| HtheB | yes I did that yesterday, it gives me this output | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | that doesn't work for events.d | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | events.d is upstart, not initd | 04:38 |
| ZogG_work_ | DocScrutinizer: didn't use event before | 04:38 |
| mikki-kun | e-yes: i assume i can have two install of nitdroid on a single card, just use different boot-commands on them, right? | 04:39 |
| nox- | is there a `service foo start'? | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: sure | 04:39 |
| HtheB | www.pastebin.com/tDvfuaYs | 04:39 |
| ZogG_work_ | don't know the difference as well, i'm like monkey =) monkey sees - monkey does | 04:39 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work_: oh w8, it gives a different output now | 04:39 |
| mikki-kun | i guess i will install 0.0.9 then to see stable and ginger to see bleeding-edge :) | 04:39 |
| HtheB | but it gave me this just a second ago: | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: not service, initctl | 04:40 |
| nox- | ah | 04:40 |
| mikki-kun | sandisk ultra are ok for that job? (i would do manual installs of both via pc) | 04:40 |
| e-yes | mikki-kun, right. i have 3 android installations:) | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | man start | 04:40 |
| e-yes | 2 - on sd, 1 - on emmc | 04:40 |
| nox- | ive seen service on some linux, and freebsd now uses it too (as an alias for /etc/rc.d/foo start/stop etc) | 04:41 |
| mikki-kun | why 3 runnings androids? | 04:41 |
| ZogG_work_ | i wich intrwebz were more physical so i can punch it | 04:41 |
| ZogG_work_ | them* | 04:41 |
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| HtheB | ZogG_work_: ok, http://pastebin.com/B1Licbt9 | 04:41 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: developing testing? | 04:41 |
| HtheB | that is the output :p | 04:41 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_work_: that is called PoIP :) Punch over IP... sadly noone implemented it :( | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | we did, but no distro adopted it | 04:42 |
| ZogG_work_ | nope not person | 04:42 |
| ZogG_work_ | the interwebz itself | 04:42 |
| ZogG_work_ | for being slow | 04:42 |
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| ZogG_work_ | HtheB: try it now if it works | 04:42 |
| HtheB | nope... | 04:43 |
| HtheB | :( | 04:43 |
| ZogG_work_ | and check dmesg |tail if it has something new related | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 04:43 |
| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 04:43 |
| mikki-kun | e-yes: are there any things i should not do on ginger? maybe some stuff crashes it | 04:43 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: don't eat it | 04:43 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_work_: but gingerbread tastes so awesome! | 04:43 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work_: nope | 04:43 |
| HtheB | just wifi | 04:43 |
| ZogG_work_ | i don't get why all of u are awake | 04:43 |
| HtheB | and slide :p | 04:44 |
| e-yes | mikki-kun, enable logs, crash it and write good bugreport :) | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_work_: to shout at you X-D | 04:44 |
| ZogG_work_ | when u try to turn it on what does it do? | 04:44 |
| ZogG_work_ | DocScrutinizer: i love u too | 04:44 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work_: ........ I think you know why I'm here lol | 04:44 |
| HtheB | xD | 04:44 |
| mikki-kun | e-yes: i am just writing a report... for physics... | 04:44 |
| HtheB | dont need to explain xD | 04:44 |
| ZogG_work_ | X-D is a cartman smile | 04:44 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: what physics? | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | htenah, we all heard you saying you OC'd | 04:45 |
| MohammadAG | lol @ cartman | 04:45 |
| ZogG_work_ | i'm studing electrophysics and it's pain in the ass | 04:45 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_work_: first semester lab-courses, vaporization pressure of ethanol on toluene | 04:45 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: u can't swear here =) | 04:46 |
| mikki-kun | i might switch to quantum physics... | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_work_: no, it's fun | 04:46 |
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| ZogG_work_ | can u build kanabis vaporazer? | 04:46 |
| mikki-kun | swear? did i use a bad word? Ö.ö | 04:47 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: what are u studing? | 04:47 |
| mikki-kun | biochem so far | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_work_: yes, we can :-D | 04:47 |
| HtheB | ok kill me | 04:47 |
| HtheB | :( | 04:47 |
| ZogG_work_ | HtheB: and if u just run bluetoothd ? | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | did it 35 years ago | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | using a soldering iron :-P | 04:47 |
| ZogG_work_ | DocScrutinizer: old bag? =) | 04:47 |
| e-yes | mikki-kun, http://code.google.com/p/nitdroid-v2/issues/detail?id=63 (how write WORST bugreport, example) >:-( | 04:47 |
| HtheB | problem is: I can't even assign a simple name | 04:47 |
| HtheB | (bluetooth name) | 04:48 |
| HtheB | it's empty at the moment | 04:48 |
| mikki-kun | that is google.... is that the sms bug? ^^ | 04:48 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_work_, no, DocScrutinizer is immortal | 04:48 |
| ZogG_work_ | e-yes: "i push red button and it all works wrong"? | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssshhhhhh! | 04:48 |
| MohammadAG | he extends his life by feeding on tmo troll posts | 04:48 |
| ZogG_work_ | docyoda51 =) | 04:48 |
| ZogG_work_ | MohammadAG: don't u have school tomorrow? =) | 04:49 |
| mikki-kun | e-yes: wow, that looks like a really good bug report :) | 04:49 |
| MohammadAG | I don't recall that I do | 04:49 |
| ZogG_work_ | MohammadAG: do u speak hebrew? | 04:49 |
| ZogG_work_ | u didn't answer me | 04:49 |
| MohammadAG | throwing an inflated battery in school to make it catch fire wasn't a good idea | 04:49 |
| MohammadAG | no | 04:49 |
| e-yes | горячие финские парни :) | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | pffff >>The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.<< | 04:50 |
| MohammadAG | privet to you too | 04:50 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: WTF did you do?! | 04:50 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, nothing, jk xD | 04:50 |
| ZogG_work_ | и-да, =) | 04:50 |
| MohammadAG | poka poka | 04:50 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work_: guess that i rly have to flash it? :( | 04:50 |
| mikki-kun | e-yes: how can i enable the logs? :) | 04:50 |
| ZogG_work_ | MohammadAG: it doesn't sound good with our nations problem =) | 04:51 |
| ZogG_work_ | HtheB: it seems so or u can bug report for kernel-power devs as well and wait | 04:51 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_work_, politics can f off, I don't care :p | 04:51 |
| mikki-kun | HtheB: i had to do it also a couple of times, trust me, it feels like a fresh device then... | 04:51 |
| ZogG_work_ | i don't too | 04:51 |
| e-yes | just uncomment lines that contain 'log' (in /default.prop) | 04:51 |
| ZogG_work_ | otherwise i would be scaried of DocScrutinizer | 04:51 |
| HtheB | mikki-kun: I know :( | 04:51 |
| HtheB | but.... I just flashed some time ago | 04:52 |
| HtheB | long time * | 04:52 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_work_, you're russian, not jewish | 04:52 |
| HtheB | and... well... | 04:52 |
| e-yes | or adb logcat (on PC) | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_work_: I was about to write with CAPSLOCK ON | 04:52 |
| HtheB | I was happy that I didn't had to flash it for such a long time | 04:52 |
| HtheB | done all my tweaks | 04:52 |
| HtheB | and now... Im gonna loose it lol | 04:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, but you used shift instead, right? right? :P | 04:52 |
| ZogG_work_ | u have to pay for what u do | 04:52 |
| mikki-kun | adb logcat? why do i need that on my pc? | 04:52 |
| HtheB | well... today is not a happy ending! >.< | 04:53 |
| ZogG_work_ | MohammadAG: btw how is the ideo of separete status menu and windows decoration for hildon on ssu? | 04:53 |
| mikki-kun | HtheB: that's what we have backups for :) | 04:53 |
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| HtheB | mikki-kun: I did so much | 04:53 |
| HtheB | donno what I did xD | 04:53 |
| ZogG_work_ | MohammadAG: the problem is that for russian i'm jewish and for jewish i'm russian | 04:53 |
| ZogG_work_ | noone likes me =( | 04:53 |
| HtheB | (which tweaks I did all those time) | 04:54 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_work_: we like you :) | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | bugreport against PK: "my bloetooth doesn't work after OC" muhahaha | 04:54 |
| HtheB | all I can do now is a default backup | 04:54 |
| HtheB | and put it back | 04:54 |
| HtheB | oh by the way | 04:54 |
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| HtheB | there is a bug :p | 04:54 |
| HtheB | didn't check if it exist or not | 04:54 |
| ZogG_work_ | is it there? | 04:54 |
| HtheB | but when you make a backup while a repo is disabled | 04:54 |
| HtheB | you can't install those apps again | 04:54 |
| HtheB | lol | 04:54 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: I never had an issue before :p | 04:55 |
| mikki-kun | HtheB: i guess user convencience | 04:55 |
| ZogG_work_ | the backup enables repos + u can restore apps after u install them again | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | said the smoker | 04:55 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work_: The backup puts the repos back in its original state (so if they were disabled, they are disabled again... which means: it cant find those packages :P) | 04:56 |
| HtheB | I had that once | 04:56 |
| HtheB | tried EVERYTHING | 04:56 |
| HtheB | couldn't get it to work | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | "so write a letter of complaint to MArlboro" said the doctor | 04:56 |
| ZogG_work_ | HtheB: backup before flashing, doh? | 04:57 |
| ZogG_work_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11745 - vote for this | 04:57 |
| povbot | Bug 11745: Change the "install" icon of the package for qr code | 04:57 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, is there a command to check the consistency of a filesystem in maemo? | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck | 05:01 |
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| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: i should unmount the partition first i assume | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep :-) | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | or use backup-menu | 05:02 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work_: yeah | 05:03 |
| HtheB | but do you ever think there will be a new pr? :p | 05:03 |
| HtheB | dont think so | 05:03 |
| mikki-kun | mmcblk0p1 is vfat, right? | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | err yep, iirc | 05:04 |
| mikki-kun | HtheB: community hacked version maybe, we have here many very good devs :) | 05:04 |
| HtheB | oh w8, that's qr code lol | 05:04 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: is that fsck then there as well? | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: I strngly suggest you mount that via mass-storage and run fsck on a desktop PC against it | 05:04 |
| HtheB | anyway... time to sleep now | 05:04 |
| HtheB | and let's hope that the toothfairy will bring my bluetooth back :( | 05:05 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: what does it do as a difference? | 05:05 |
| HtheB | _sigh_ | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | speed | 05:05 |
| mikki-kun | i don't have here any windows pc :) | 05:05 |
| mikki-kun | and i have time :) | 05:05 |
| HtheB | windows ftw | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | somebody did it on N900 some days ago - took hours | 05:05 |
| * HtheB hides | 05:05 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: search chanlog for that event (fsck.vfat maybe) | 05:06 |
| HtheB | ZogG_work_: :) | 05:06 |
| HtheB | Thanks for trying to help me | 05:06 |
| HtheB | and all the others :) | 05:06 |
| HtheB | I'll flash the device soon | 05:06 |
| HtheB | when I will get my second N900 | 05:07 |
| HtheB | on monday | 05:07 |
| HtheB | yay! | 05:07 |
| pupnik | wish i could get a job at the local recycling center | 05:07 |
| HtheB | pupnik: why | 05:07 |
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| pupnik | i would take so much stuff home | 05:07 |
| mikki-kun | :( | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | to pick up HtheB 's devices? XD | 05:07 |
| HtheB | xD | 05:07 |
| mikki-kun | leaving filesystem unchanged... | 05:07 |
| HtheB | lol | 05:07 |
| HtheB | I did that once | 05:08 |
| mikki-kun | wtf? i answered all with "correct the damn stuff" | 05:08 |
| HtheB | couple years ago | 05:08 |
| HtheB | I found some hdd's and just checked who's it was | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: search chanlog for that event (fsck.vfat maybe) | 05:08 |
| HtheB | they didn't even format it! :p | 05:08 |
| mikki-kun | it is fsck-vfat... | 05:08 |
| HtheB | all kinds of pics were just stored on it ... | 05:08 |
| mikki-kun | fsck.vfat | 05:08 |
| HtheB | about pics...... | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: or use backup-menu, it's really nice for that at least | 05:09 |
| mikki-kun | or fsck.msdos... shame it doesn't repair those orphaned nodes... | 05:09 |
| mikki-kun | i didn't intend to reflash today as i might need a flash after i experiment with nitdroid... | 05:09 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer | 05:10 |
| MohammadAG | wordpress app is truely awesome | 05:10 |
| pupnik | i have a whole case of DAT backups from a media company | 05:10 |
| HtheB | ~nuke DocScrutinizer !!!! | 05:10 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DocScrutinizer !!!! ... B☢☢M! | 05:10 | |
| pupnik | no idea what data is on it... hundreds of clients | 05:10 |
| pupnik | i wish i were evil :( | 05:11 |
| HtheB | Anyway, I'm off now :) | 05:11 |
| nox- | btw one problem with dat was that often one drive could not read another one's tapes... | 05:11 |
| HtheB | good night all | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: if they were clever, they erased them with a strong magnet | 05:11 |
| luke-jr | http://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 http://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135277 http://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422 http://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103916 | 05:11 |
| luke-jr | look good? | 05:11 |
| mikki-kun | ahhhh, -aw are the needed parms :) | 05:11 |
| pupnik | true nox- | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: tolya, search the chanlog | 05:12 |
| pupnik | nox-: you ever have to restore data off DAT? | 05:12 |
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| pupnik | for a client? like once a week? | 05:12 |
| mikki-kun | but why does fsck.msdos not do that by default when i gt asked? | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 05:13 |
| nox- | pupnik, fortunately i didnt :) | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | also it's fsck.vfat - maybe same but clearer | 05:13 |
| pupnik | nox-: it sometimes cost me half a day | 05:13 |
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| nox- | i can imagine... | 05:13 |
| nox- | dat really gave tape a bad name... | 05:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | np: Bon Jovi - Dat gave tape a bad name. | 05:14 |
| pupnik | i ended up quietly putting together a unison server and running incremental backups on all the secretaries files | 05:14 |
| nox- | haha SpeedEvil | 05:14 |
| nox- | pupnik, :) | 05:15 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: and you need multiple runs of it | 05:15 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: i used now .msdos, i guess .vfat might have done the same | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr? never seen that | 05:15 |
| nox- | isnt .msdos fat w/o the v? | 05:16 |
| nox- | (i.e., 8.3...) | 05:16 |
| MohammadAG | it's slim w/ the v | 05:17 |
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| mikki-kun | dunno, i just know it fixed mine | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | msdos is fat12/16/(32?) | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | vfat is fat32 | 05:17 |
| nox- | hm ok | 05:17 |
| MohammadAG | i think msdos is fat16 | 05:17 |
| nox- | and here i though the v was about getting rid of the 8.3 filename limitation... | 05:18 |
| nox- | thought even | 05:18 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | also | 05:18 |
| MohammadAG | msdos = FAT = FAT16 | 05:18 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk1p3: SEC_TYPE="msdos" LABEL="boot" UUID="4CFE-8A10" TYPE="vfat" | 05:18 |
| MohammadAG | meego uses msdos for the kernel | 05:18 |
| nox- | heh ok | 05:19 |
| mikki-kun | >.> | 05:19 |
| mikki-kun | why msdos? :( | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | who cares about labels? | 05:19 |
| MohammadAG | who mentioned labels? | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody ;-) | 05:20 |
| MohammadAG | thought so :P | 05:20 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, uboot expects a vfat partition | 05:20 |
| MohammadAG | they went with FAT16 for some reason | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I got NFC what you are quoting there above | 05:20 |
| MohammadAG | blkid output | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | who went with what? and where to? | 05:21 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: btw, where should i run "flasher -F *.fiasco -u" ? | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | what *IS* SEC_TYPE | 05:22 |
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| MohammadAG | dunno | 05:22 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, in /boot | 05:22 |
| mikki-kun | hm... what if there is only uhhh a dor to multiboot? | 05:23 |
| mikki-kun | *dir | 05:23 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get --reinstall install kernel-power | 05:23 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 05:23 |
| ZogG_work_ | he is actually gonna buy second n900 | 05:23 |
| mikki-kun | ok, i just thought it will get finalized by rebooting | 05:23 |
| ZogG_work_ | lol | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke multiboot | 05:24 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at multiboot ... B☢☢M! | 05:24 | |
| ZogG_work_ | i'm waiting for the day u can buy OS free smartphone | 05:24 |
| ZogG_work_ | and install whatever uwant | 05:24 |
| MohammadAG | keep waiting | 05:24 |
| ZogG_work_ | as laptops uses almost same hardware as smartphones now it's comming soon | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 05:25 |
| MohammadAG | i don't recall ARM laptop | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | still use different architecture | 05:25 |
| MohammadAG | laptops* | 05:25 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: there are bunch of tegra2 based ones floating around and i think there was a toshiba arm one | 05:25 |
| MohammadAG | netbooks, not laptops :P | 05:25 |
| ZogG_work_ | there are double core arm as i recall | 05:26 |
| ZogG_work_ | as x86 smartphones and other tech smartphones | 05:26 |
| mikki-kun | quads will be coming as well... | 05:26 |
| ZogG_work_ | MohammadAG: netbook is laptop just samll screen | 05:26 |
| ZogG_work_ | same shit | 05:26 |
| MohammadAG | different day | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_work_: those x86 smartphones didn't exactly fly yet | 05:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (except out the window XP) | 05:26 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, they did, but they went down with the 3000 birds | 05:27 |
| nox- | ipods have been dualcore arm years ago already :P | 05:27 |
| ZogG_work_ | exactly | 05:27 |
| MohammadAG | the N96 is a dual core ARM | 05:27 |
| ZogG_work_ | there are even arm servers | 05:27 |
| MohammadAG | nothing special | 05:27 |
| ZogG_work_ | btw | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 05:27 |
| ZogG_work_ | !google ARM servers facebook | 05:27 |
| zgoldberg | Results for ARM servers facebook on Google: | 05:27 |
| zgoldberg | -- | 05:27 |
| ZogG_work_ | nox-: than why noone used them for phones> | 05:27 |
| ZogG_work_ | zgoldberg: are u even a bot or troll? | 05:28 |
| MohammadAG | cause they're not something special | 05:28 |
| MohammadAG | again, the N96 was 2-cored | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_work_: simply because phones have no nuclear cells yet | 05:28 |
| ZogG_work_ | but soon it would be same vidoe chips and gpu as well | 05:28 |
| nox- | ZogG_work_, arm is just an arch, almost every board/system is different | 05:28 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'd like portable terrorism too | 05:29 |
| nox- | (the dualcore ipods were pretty wimpy cpus) | 05:29 |
| ZogG_work_ | yes but more netbooks use phone's specs more option to have different OS's on phones | 05:29 |
| BCMM_ | i for one do not want an RNG in my pocket | 05:29 |
| ZogG_work_ | RNG? | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the whole intel x86 mobile phone SoC eats battery like it's coming from wall outlet | 05:30 |
| nox- | oses would need to be ported to each one again and again... | 05:30 |
| ZogG_work_ | rocket nuclear generaotr? | 05:30 |
| BCMM_ | (because lead underwear isn't comfy) | 05:30 |
| MohammadAG | radioactive nuclear grenade | 05:30 |
| MohammadAG | i think | 05:30 |
| ZogG_work_ | nox not really as specs would be similuar for netbooks specs | 05:30 |
| ZogG_work_ | and it's going that way | 05:30 |
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| nox- | yeah maybe | 05:30 |
| nox- | one day :) | 05:31 |
| MohammadAG | yep, just like duke nukem | 05:31 |
| nox- | hehe | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_work_: what do you dream of when you're asleep then? | 05:31 |
| * MohammadAG dreams of the mediaplayer source | 05:31 | |
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| ZogG_work_ | i don't dream | 05:31 |
| ZogG_work_ | i hardly sleep | 05:31 |
| BCMM_ | i meant rtg | 05:32 |
| ZogG_work_ | and if i do have time i sleep for a lot of hours so i don't really rememeber | 05:32 |
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| MohammadAG | k | 05:32 |
| MohammadAG | need to wake up @ 10 | 05:32 |
| MohammadAG | so, i'm off | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | power management in a smartphone is quite a bit different from what you see in laptop OS | 05:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw that's where android came from | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you see what they did to your desktop OS to make it run on smartphones | 05:34 |
| mikki-kun | hm, do i have to rename the kernel from zImage-$NAME.fiasco to vmlinuz-$NAME for mulitboot it able to read? :) | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea - multiboot is deprecated | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and *BAD* | 05:35 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: not as of now for me :) i will take a look into uboot soon though and if i think i will use android heavily... and another OS... | 05:35 |
| mikki-kun | then i will tripleboot with uboot :) | 05:36 |
| toresbe | mikki-kun: IIRC, FIASCO is not to be confused with normal kernel images. | 05:37 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: i don't think u need, you just need to use it correct in boot menu config | 05:38 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_work_: i just copied the whole name of the image then now | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, if they use flasher to flash the new kernel on boot, then it needs a fiasco img, not a raw kernel img | 05:38 |
| ZogG_work_ | qmlreddit is sweet | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess | 05:38 |
| nox- | hm http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/01/05/nvidia_arm_pc_server_chip/ | 05:39 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: u want just to replace standart nit kernel with new one? | 05:39 |
| ZogG_work_ | nox what i told you | 05:39 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_work_: i want to have kernel power running again... | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | standarD | 05:39 |
| nox- | ZogG_work_, so you just read that too? :) | 05:39 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: so? | 05:40 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_work_: nice, can't flash kernel :) | 05:40 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: just use the guide | 05:40 |
| ZogG_work_ | it has it all | 05:40 |
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| mikki-kun | ZogG_work_: which one and where is the "real" one? | 05:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're aware a kernel expects its matching modules? | 05:41 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=912537#post912537 | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, have fun | 05:42 |
| mikki-kun | hm, ZogG_work_ that post isn't really helpful if somebody can't mount MyDocs :) | 05:43 |
| ZogG_work_ | nox-: DocScrutinizer http://i.imgur.com/ngI7P.jpg | 05:43 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: saywhat? | 05:43 |
| mikki-kun | aahhh, ok | 05:43 |
| mikki-kun | i should rename it i see in small letters | 05:44 |
| ZogG_work_ | http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/08/23/facebook-first-jump-arm-servers/ | 05:44 |
| mikki-kun | thanks for the link:) | 05:44 |
| ZogG_work_ | mikki-kun: u don't have to, it's just thta standart .item on multiboot menu use this name | 05:44 |
| ZogG_work_ | u can add/eddit your own | 05:44 |
| mikki-kun | 3. There you should find zImage-2.6.28.10maemoxx where xx stands for kernel-power version. | 05:44 |
| mikki-kun | 4. Rename it to vmlinuz-2.6.28.10powerxx, then copy it to | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is so interesting in arm based server arch? | 05:45 |
| mikki-kun | rename wasn't done | 05:45 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: i guess low power usage | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | pffffff | 05:45 |
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| ZogG_work_ | DocScrutinizer: energy save | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | not for the topic of this chan | 05:45 |
| nox- | is semiaccurate something like thonion? :) | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | the problem with smartphones isn't the CPU. It's smart peripherals | 05:46 |
| nox- | theonion even | 05:46 |
| ZogG_work_ | DocScrutinizer: u can use 1000 n900 as servers for facebook =) | 05:46 |
| ZogG_work_ | is this for the topic? | 05:46 |
| nox- | hahaha | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, it's just boring | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | didn't you know maemo.org is hosted on 586 devices 770? | 05:47 |
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| ZogG_work_ | not it's hosted on 300 nexus one | 05:48 |
| ZogG_work_ | and google is hosted on htc win7 phones | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, cya | 05:49 |
| ZogG_work_ | u gonna kick me? =) | 05:49 |
| ZogG_work_ | anyway i have to go too now =( | 05:49 |
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| mikki-kun | man, 5 am | 05:51 |
| mikki-kun | i need to go as well | 05:51 |
| mikki-kun | dang | 05:51 |
| mikki-kun | see you later guys ^^ | 05:51 |
| mikki-kun | sleep well :) | 05:51 |
| nox- | good idea | 05:51 |
| ZogG_work_ | good night | 05:54 |
| nox- | oh and btw there was a joke going about making a beowulf cluster of those dual core ipods... | 05:56 |
| nox- | :) | 05:56 |
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| spiritd | so does n900 have some kind of blackbox< | 06:11 |
| spiritd | ? | 06:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 06:17 |
| spiritd | my n900 shutdown unexpecetdly | 06:17 |
| spiritd | dunno when, dunno why | 06:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | cat /proc/bootreason | 06:19 |
| ZogG-work | new motorola with android 3.0 looks great | 06:22 |
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| wmarone | bleh | 06:34 |
| wmarone | it'll have a signed kernel just like every other Motorola device | 06:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wmarone: for all the interesting hardware Android seems to get, it's all quite lackluster, isn't it? | 06:44 |
| wmarone | mostly | 06:45 |
| wmarone | few nice features here and there, but it's all just next in line | 06:45 |
| wmarone | then dragged down by contracts and other nasties | 06:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and Android. | 06:45 |
| wmarone | oh yes, that too | 06:45 |
| chx | well i was expecting something spectacular | 06:46 |
| chx | so far the biggest surprise is the honeycomb keyboard of a motorola | 06:46 |
| chx | but nothing really exciting | 06:46 |
| wmarone | honestly I was more interested in the AMD Fusion announcements yesterday | 06:46 |
| chx | I am mostly bummed by the fact that Lenovo introduced this and that shitty laptop but where are the new T series? | 06:47 |
| chx | IdeaPad, ThinkPad Edge -- *yawn*. I want a laptop not a joke. | 06:48 |
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| wmarone | that's what desktops are for :) | 06:48 |
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| chx | hm, most desktops are not 4lbs. | 06:49 |
| chx | or less. | 06:50 |
| wmarone | no, but you get quite heavy as you get up there in power | 06:50 |
| wmarone | I hate carrying around my W510, but do so cause it's for work :) | 06:52 |
| johnx | my desktop is about 40lbs I think ... | 06:55 |
| johnx | small price to pay for being able to sit or stand on it :) | 06:55 |
| johnx | also: can't wait for a nice skinny core 2011 X200 series | 06:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx: whimpy. | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Currently 58lbs here. | 06:59 |
| johnx | but can you stand on it? | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 07:00 |
| johnx | what case is it? | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mac Pro | 07:00 |
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| johnx | huh. I would have though the bottom not-handles would break | 07:00 |
| johnx | *have* you ever stood on it before? | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | G5 case, once, to reach a high shelf when I was moving stuff. | 07:02 |
| johnx | fair enough :) | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The handles aren't failure prone. | 07:02 |
| johnx | so I searched for my case on google and the second result is someone suggesting to someone else that they dump the case before upgrading ... to an athlon ... in 2001 | 07:07 |
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| GAN900 | johnx, clearly a classic. | 07:10 |
| johnx | http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnxx/5328831099/ (cat not included) | 07:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 07:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a desktop case that started out with an AT PSU in it | 07:15 |
| SpeedEvil | tower | 07:15 |
| SpeedEvil | full-height | 07:15 |
| johnx | did you redrill it to take an atx board? | 07:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Must be 20Kg empty | 07:15 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 07:15 |
| johnx | that ... is some dedication | 07:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Also a rope carrying handle | 07:15 |
| johnx | hats off | 07:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I have accidentally dropped it down the stairs before. | 07:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It dented | 07:16 |
| SpeedEvil | the stairs | 07:16 |
| SpeedEvil | (the paint got scuffed too. | 07:16 |
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| johnx | what were the stairs made out of? (please say concrete) | 07:17 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, concrete | 07:19 |
| SpeedEvil | it was shitty concrete | 07:19 |
| SpeedEvil | but still | 07:20 |
| johnx | almost lost hold of a CRT walking down a flight of carpeted concrete steps. I pulled off a nice diving catch though <_< | 07:22 |
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| johnx | does the case have a model number? I'd love to see what kind of a case inspires that kind of dedication :D | 07:22 |
| chx | SpeedEvil: oh those nice old cases | 07:22 |
| SpeedEvil | johnx: it's not dedication - it's cheapness. | 07:23 |
| chx | SpeedEvil: had one of those , it was black, made of thick steel or some shit like that | 07:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | johnx: and it was purchased maybe ~1990 | 07:23 |
| SpeedEvil | From Aashima IIRC | 07:23 |
| SpeedEvil | a no-name box-shifter | 07:23 |
| johnx | the AT case from my parents' first computer (circa 1993/1994) was ... pretty awful | 07:24 |
| johnx | huge, but really flimsy feeling | 07:24 |
| zgoldberg | ZogG: Neither, really | 07:27 |
| zgoldberg | ZogG: t'was just a bad copy paste... a really bad one | 07:27 |
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| ZogG | zgoldberg, man' it was hours ago =) | 07:29 |
| zgoldberg | ZogG: I don't check IRC as often as I should =p | 07:29 |
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| pupnik | why aren't we researching and curing Apoptosis | 07:30 |
| johnx | pupnik, because we're not doctors | 07:31 |
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| ZogG | is ukeyboard on garage? | 07:36 |
| ZogG | cause i can't find it | 07:36 |
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| johnx | ZogG, this might help explain that: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=slovak-l10n;a=commit;h=a17bfeecfff4ca70cf4b9a08e145d50ddc6e8850 | 07:43 |
| johnx | it was splited | 07:43 |
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| ZogG | johnx splitted why ? | 07:46 |
| ZogG | official and non official? | 07:46 |
| ZogG | or how? | 07:46 |
| johnx | I have no idea. read the link? | 07:47 |
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| pupnik | http://213.251.145.96/cable/1990/07/90BAGHDAD4237.html Wikileaks: cable 90BAGHDAD4237, SADDAM'S MESSAGE OF FRIENDSHIP TO PRESIDENT BUSH | 07:48 |
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| dotblank | Hello, I seem to have an issue with autobuilder. It seems it doesn't produce QGraphicsview elements from .ui files when compiling | 08:39 |
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| Termana | good morning | 09:12 |
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| dm8tbr | plop | 09:53 |
| Dassu | plup | 09:53 |
| psycho_oreos | plip | 09:54 |
| johnx | quick, everyone look productive! | 09:55 |
| * ZogG is trying hard but unsuccessfully | 09:57 | |
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| ZogG | http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNCP4fmNug&feature=related | 10:23 |
| ZogG | lol | 10:23 |
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| FauxFaux | My new place of work are going to force me to use ubuntu; now I'm torn between that and an Aero glass theme. ¬_¬ | 10:25 |
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| RobbieThe1st | FauxFaux: I suggest installing Compiz and setting up the 3d cube. -so- much nicer! | 10:28 |
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| FauxFaux | Lies, linux doesn't support 3d acceleration so that'll just break. ¬_¬ | 10:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | I can't tell if that was meant to be a joke or not... | 10:30 |
| RobbieThe1st | In -reality-, provided you install the blob drivers for ATI or Nvidia, Compiz works excellently. | 10:31 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe a troll in the making ;) | 10:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | Possibly. Re: Compiz: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/20101219-01:44:58.25.png | 10:32 |
| RobbieThe1st | Suck -that-, Aero. | 10:32 |
| FauxFaux | Text scrolling and flash are significantly better under radeonhd than under fglrx on both the machines in this house. | 10:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | you have to pay more for aero to be enabled, and yet compiz being free deserves the same amount of scrutiny? ludicrous! | 10:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | How does that work? I thought text-scrolling wasn't accellerated anyway | 10:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | And flash too... Unless you've got the latest beta or something | 10:34 |
| FauxFaux | All scrolling is accelerated under x. | 10:34 |
| ZogG | FauxFaux you can set kde on ubuntu | 10:34 |
| lcuk | FauxFaux, hmm | 10:34 |
| FauxFaux | Like, just reblitting an area somewhere else is accelerated. | 10:34 |
| ZogG | and still all these glass effets suck | 10:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | I suppose... | 10:34 |
| FauxFaux | ZogG: I want it to be less broken, not more broken! | 10:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | Personally, I use KDE and haven't had any trouble with speed, either on my dual-core laptop, dual-core desktop or quad-core desktop, so... | 10:35 |
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| ZogG | FauxFaux as kde breaks it means kde is evil and only for show off =) | 10:36 |
| lcuk | FauxFaux, are you sure that you can jhust set an offset on existing x surface then draw the extra bits.. I thought that required knowledge and planning of the individual app widget itself | 10:36 |
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| ZogG | it's not about speed as nowdays computers are pretty strong | 10:36 |
| lcuk | RobbieThe1st, look out for battery life improvements | 10:36 |
| FauxFaux | You'd think that until you tried to view a man page with acceleration broken. :p | 10:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | on...? | 10:37 |
| psycho_oreos | thank goodness that many other OS still retains terminal access unlike windows :P | 10:37 |
| ZogG | FauxFaux you have screenlets, and smooth docks for gnome btw | 10:37 |
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| lcuk | FauxFaux, no, I know an awful lot about accelerated graphics ;) | 10:37 |
| FauxFaux | lcuk: I was replying to ZogG. You obviously know what you're talking about so aren't a good target for trolling. ¬_¬ | 10:37 |
| ZogG | lcuk can it be applied to eink screens =) | 10:37 |
| * MohammadAG wants a HW accelerated tty | 10:38 | |
| FauxFaux | (The main problem is that these problems shouldn't exist and they do, and they make me really angry. Really, really angry.) | 10:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | Icuk: Improvements on the n900? | 10:38 |
| ZogG | FauxFaux haha, i woundn't care as i do't like those effects and heavy DEs and i mean not cpu memory usage but libs and dependies | 10:38 |
| ZogG | FauxFaux so than it's mainteiners problem | 10:39 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Well, I'm gonna go play TF2 on virtual screen #2, so... Say my name if you want me to read something | 10:40 |
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| Loom | hi | 10:59 |
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| Loom | i am trying to copy a file from the n900 and at 30/100@ | 11:01 |
| Loom | it stops saying cannot read from source file.is the storage damaged ? | 11:02 |
| RobbieThe1st | What file? | 11:02 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'd suggest using chkdsk on the disk - It might be damaged | 11:03 |
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| Loom | typed chkdsk in console says file not found | 11:06 |
| tybollt_ | duuh | 11:06 |
| tybollt_ | fsck | 11:06 |
| Loom | how do you use chkdsk? | 11:07 |
| tybollt_ | assuming you're using an N900 (we're in #n900 you know) you should be using the command 'fsck' | 11:07 |
| tybollt_ | ehr | 11:08 |
| tybollt_ | #maemo :) | 11:08 |
| Loom | same typed fsck file not found | 11:09 |
| tybollt_ | what device are you typing this on? | 11:09 |
| Loom | n900 | 11:09 |
| Spookje | ofcourse you need to be root for that.. | 11:09 |
| Loom | ok let me try as root | 11:10 |
| tybollt_ | sigh, does he not understand the concept of root? | 11:10 |
| * tybollt_ goes for coffee instead :) | 11:10 | |
| tybollt_ | but chkdsk - what the hell are you smoking there RobbieThe1st? :) | 11:10 |
| Spookje | back to dos :P | 11:10 |
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| Loom | ok typed fsck as root it shows me a version and a date | 11:12 |
| Trewas | a couple of weeks ago n900 decided to mount MyDocs partition as read-only and I had to fcsk it manually... maybe it would be better to do it automagically when needed, for a linux-noob that problem would have probably been unfixable | 11:12 |
| Spookje | uhuh | 11:13 |
| Spookje | Loom: any linux experience? | 11:13 |
| Loom | yes but first time i hear of fsck | 11:14 |
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| Loom | can't you just tell me how to do chkdsk in linux what parametres fsck needs ? | 11:15 |
| MohammadAG | which partition? | 11:16 |
| MohammadAG | and please don't insult fsck by calling it chkdsk :P | 11:16 |
| Spookje | lol | 11:16 |
| ZogG | haha defregmention tool =) | 11:17 |
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| Loom | the hole disk | 11:18 |
| crashanddie | whole | 11:18 |
| Loom | fsck /dev ? | 11:18 |
| Loom | ye whole | 11:19 |
| kerio | yeah, fsck /dev/ | 11:19 |
| kerio | you can't be sure that a virtual file system is not damaged | 11:19 |
| MohammadAG | lmfao | 11:19 |
| Spookje | do i sense sarcasm? :P | 11:20 |
| MohammadAG | Loom, what "disk", there are like 4 | 11:20 |
| Loom | i thought it was 1 | 11:21 |
| Loom | it doesn't work anyway | 11:21 |
| MohammadAG | well duh | 11:22 |
| MohammadAG | fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 11:22 |
| MohammadAG | for MyDocs | 11:22 |
| MohammadAG | just unmount it first | 11:22 |
| MohammadAG | or it'll say you're a bonehead | 11:22 |
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| Spookje | and add verbose output maybe? | 11:23 |
| Loom | fsck help doesn't work neither | 11:24 |
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| MohammadAG | read up | 11:25 |
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| RobbieThe1st | To be fair, guys, I -assumed- that Loom was copying a file to a windows PC. Ergo, running chkdsk on a fat32 filesystem. | 11:39 |
| RobbieThe1st | Teaching someone how to do fsck requires more than one line. | 11:40 |
| kerio | not really | 11:41 |
| kerio | "man fsck" | 11:41 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea. Try that on your (stock) n900. | 11:41 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 11:41 |
| RobbieThe1st | </gripe> | 11:41 |
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| MohammadAG | it works, you just need man-db(-n900) installed | 11:42 |
| MohammadAG | it's still stock when you install it | 11:42 |
| RobbieThe1st | And what repo is that in? | 11:42 |
| MohammadAG | extras | 11:43 |
| MohammadAG | (-devel) | 11:43 |
| MohammadAG | seriously, who doesn't have -devel these days | 11:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | People who aren't developers or don't mess with things? | 11:44 |
| RobbieThe1st | Either way, my point is that I couldn't know that A, he has devel enabled, or man-db installed. Or, B, that he knows how to read a manpage. | 11:44 |
| RobbieThe1st | Now, telling him to "google man fsck" or something might have worked, but I'm betting it would still have taken a few lines. And I was playing TF2 :P | 11:45 |
| RobbieThe1st | Oh well. | 11:46 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Either way... Making instructions for the LCD is pretty dang hard, no matter -what- you are trying to do. | 11:47 |
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| MohammadAG | <RobbieThe1st> People who aren't developers or don't mess with things? | 11:49 |
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| MohammadAG | which rock have you been living under :P | 11:49 |
| trx | lol | 11:49 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea. Like the many-percent who complain about things not working right, and are told to "disable devel", which they do. | 11:49 |
| trx | how can you not mess with n900? | 11:49 |
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| RobbieThe1st | You'd be surprised. | 11:50 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Personally, I intend to mess more than most... As soon as my new replacement capacitor & screen get here | 11:50 |
| MohammadAG | <RobbieThe1st> Yea. Like the many-percent who complain about things not working right, and are told to "disable devel", which they do. | 11:51 |
| MohammadAG | no no no, they disable it, and reenable it | 11:51 |
| MohammadAG | just to make sure it's working fine | 11:51 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Point | 11:51 |
| RobbieThe1st | Still, there are a -few- who are literally scared to enable Devel. Though, they don't come in here usually, so... | 11:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | Either way, new user - Assuming == problem | 11:52 |
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| RST38h | Hehe: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/12442_Five_things_Nokia_need_to_fix_.php | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Anotherminor amusement: http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/01/three-reasons-creators-should-never.html | 12:20 |
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| ieatlint | RST38h: heh, yeah, i'd be happy if half those symbian issues get fixed in the upcoming software update | 12:32 |
| RST38h | in the upcoming *MAEMO* software update =) | 12:33 |
| ieatlint | maemo has at least half those fixed :P | 12:33 |
| RST38h | ORLY? | 12:34 |
| ieatlint | the updates and home screen widgets for two | 12:35 |
| ieatlint | the default camera interface is if anything worse, but i could argue fcam helps reverse that issue | 12:36 |
| ieatlint | (which is at least partially an official nokia app) | 12:36 |
| ieatlint | the browser has less issues than the symbian one, but still issues, heh | 12:36 |
| Arkenoi | i'd say maemo fixes more or less 8 of 10 | 12:36 |
| Arkenoi | quite enough to dump symbian forever | 12:36 |
| ieatlint | picking names out of the contact list is also much better in maemo | 12:36 |
| Arkenoi | ieatlint, but still sucks | 12:37 |
| ieatlint | and podcasting/internet radio works well for me at least | 12:37 |
| nidO | its just a shame the mail client on maemo is just so utterly abysmally terribly dreadfully awful | 12:37 |
| ieatlint | i like how all the good symbian^3/n8 reviews start off with some disclaimer about how their review is based on coming from older symbian versions rather than from android/iphone to symbian^3 | 12:38 |
| ieatlint | my last symbian phone was an s60 3rd edition... and s^3 is definitely an improvement, but when compared to android, iphone or maemo... it's a pos | 12:39 |
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| ieatlint | real shame too, because the hardware on the n8 is pretty awesome | 12:40 |
| ieatlint | i use it as a camera and a gps unit now, heh | 12:40 |
| nidO | I dont really see the problem, practically every shortcoming can be sorted with extra software | 12:41 |
| ieatlint | well i'd also personally criticise the n8's resolution and ram | 12:41 |
| ieatlint | the n900 has twice the ram.. | 12:42 |
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| nidO | same amount of ram* | 12:43 |
| ieatlint | ah, my mistake, you are correct | 12:44 |
| ieatlint | i for some reason believed the n900 was 512mb like most smartphones in its class | 12:44 |
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| ieatlint | i still like that my n900's camera kicks the ass of most other smartphones | 12:47 |
| Arkenoi | if we had 512Mb RAM n900 would be lightspeed fast, as almost all slowdowns are caused by io bottlenecks while heavy swapping | 12:48 |
| ieatlint | and the n8's camera just laughs at all other smartphone cameras | 12:48 |
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| * Dassu only uses cameras for taking a digital photos of paper documents | 12:50 | |
| * kerio thinks a scanner would be *soooooooo* much better for that | 12:50 | |
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| ieatlint | scanners aren't as portable | 12:51 |
| Dassu | kerio: :( Dont have a scanner | 12:51 |
| ieatlint | the n8 has one other big issue that is also a feature... the flash | 12:52 |
| ieatlint | since it's not simply an led, it can't be kept on, so it fails as a flashlight (which is a fucking awesome and useful feature) | 12:52 |
| ieatlint | and for things like a barcode reader, it's not as practical to use the flash to help readability -- which can really reduce its effectiveness | 12:53 |
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| ieatlint | but the flash is a lot brighter, heh | 12:53 |
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| Jenea | It's very strange why nokia's phone have so small amount of RAM | 13:10 |
| RST38h | No,it is not. | 13:10 |
| Jenea | yes, it's cheaper. Maybe symbian and meamo are better | 13:11 |
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| RST38h | Google OneNAND. | 13:11 |
| RST38h | And apply your analytical skills. | 13:11 |
| Jenea | RST38h: Please explain | 13:11 |
| RST38h | Hmmm...no analytical skills. Ok. | 13:12 |
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| RST38h | Jenea: Nokia uses OneNAND chips from Samsung for its phones | 13:12 |
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| RST38h | Jenea: OneNAND combines RAM and flash on a single chip and comes in several different sizes | 13:12 |
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| RST38h | Jenea: The 256+256 size you find in N900 was pretty much the best readily available part at the moment when N900 was designed. | 13:13 |
| jaska | :( | 13:14 |
| Jenea | RST38h: I think it is better to ask some one than to pretend that you have a world brain | 13:15 |
| Jenea | ok | 13:15 |
| Jenea | thanks | 13:15 |
| RST38h | It is better to google, Jenea. Really. | 13:15 |
| Jenea | :) | 13:16 |
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| Jenea | So phone chips for nokia are made by samsung and samsung mades its own phones | 13:19 |
| Jenea | Cool | 13:19 |
| Jenea | :) | 13:19 |
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| crashanddie | Jenea, yes, economics 101 | 13:20 |
| trx | so what, nokia should make every capacitor, every resistior, etc, in house? | 13:20 |
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| trx | that would of course be idiotic.. :) | 13:21 |
| ieatlint | and idiotic doesn't sound like nokia at all ;) | 13:21 |
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| trx | :P | 13:21 |
| Jenea | no but it should have good OS | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | no, that would be economics 010 | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | Jenea, have you come here to troll? | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | Because, if that's the case, just state your point clearly so I can ban you out of here | 13:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: AIUI OneNAND is the storage POP of SoC, so even while it's Samsung, the whole "chip" is TI | 13:46 |
| RST38h | Doc: Personally, I do not have any strong opinions on itbeing Samsung | 13:48 |
| RST38h | Doc: Samsung makes shitloads of various electronic components used by everybody around the world | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sure | 13:50 |
| ptmono` | test | 13:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | failed | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 13:52 |
| infobot | ~pong | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | while /ping is even more polite | 13:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just >><Jenea> So phone chips for nokia are made by samsung and samsung mades its own phones<< is completely missing the point. If there's any funny part in it, then it's TI shipping SoCs that are labeled with a Samsung label on outer PoP | 13:56 |
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| daxt | How can i use Wimax in N900 ? | 14:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | Um... There's a wimax transceiver in the n900? | 14:08 |
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| daxt | no clue | 14:08 |
| Corsac | there's not | 14:08 |
| daxt | that is why i ask u guys , the professionals | 14:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | So, yea. No wimax. You might be able to find a wimax -> wifi router box | 14:09 |
| daxt | if there is a SD card based wimax tranceiver , that would be awesome | 14:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | and then connect to it via wifi | 14:09 |
| daxt | since we dont use any sd cards on N900 | 14:09 |
| daxt | we can use that slot to hook up a wimax tranceiver :D | 14:10 |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, it's a microSD slot... but | 14:10 |
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| RobbieThe1st | You'd have to find proper drivers, too... | 14:10 |
| daxt | wimax >> WIFI is also cool | 14:11 |
| daxt | but i need an extra device for it and unable to use on the go :( | 14:12 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ..why? Get yourself a wifi hotspot, a little power-pack, tape em together and you're good to go | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | daxt: use USB-WIMAX-dongle | 14:13 |
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| daxt | but it needs an external power source right , docscrutinizer ? | 14:14 |
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| RobbieThe1st | N900'll give you 200ma, so... | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sure. Depends on power requirements of dongle. N900 provides 200mA@5V | 14:14 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, care to design external portable power supplies? | 14:15 |
| daxt | http://www.skynetwork.lk/Edited_bro.png | 14:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ?? | 14:15 |
| daxt | check the dongle in there | 14:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | All you need, plus a couple connections/custom cable | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, an external battery | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | to power hubs/hotswap batteries | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | I'd buy one | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ibought one with solar cell, for 8EUR | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, link? | 14:16 |
| daxt | how do u hook up an external battery and a usb wimax dongle both together ? | 14:16 |
| daxt | u got only one usb port in N900 | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | a hub? this is 2011 | 14:17 |
| daxt | hub also needs power | 14:17 |
| daxt | for that u need another battery | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | err no, you need one battery for the hub which then powers the wimax adapter | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | it's not rocket science :P | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Doc: Does the solar cell help? :) | 14:18 |
| nae | I just got a second hand n90 running maemo. which flashing process is most appropriate to restore the OS on the device to a trusted state? | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=cabstone+solar+charger | 14:19 |
| RST38h | Yes, but does it help? | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: not really | 14:19 |
| RST38h | thought so =( | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you allegedly can charge the 1Ah LiIon during one day of bright sunlight | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm happy to think it compensates for cell self discharge, if device not stored in a dark drawer | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | so much spam on wordpress | 14:21 |
| RST38h | Doc: Sunlight changes drastically depending on your geo location and time of the year | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: but hey, 8 bucks | 14:22 |
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| RST38h | Doc: To me, it is "another useless piece of plastic" and not "8 bucks" | 14:22 |
| RST38h | Would pay 80 bucks for a working one though | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | for me it's an external battery powered USB PSU | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I'm fine with it's usability when charged from USB | 14:24 |
| daxt | can u guys recommend me a good usb hub for N900 ? | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | then charging via USB on the go | 14:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yea | 14:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | daxt: model X of brand Y - special criterion: externally powered by a 5V PSU | 14:25 |
| daxt | please be more precise | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG even *moar* | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | daxt: model * (pick what you like) - special criterion: externally powered by a 5V PSU | 14:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | better? | 14:27 |
| daxt | ya | 14:27 |
| daxt | now its better | 14:27 |
| daxt | http://www.xpalpower.com/uk/products/xp4001/ | 14:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's no hub ;-P | 14:31 |
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| comawhite | what you guys think of this? http://i52.tinypic.com/20pyrm8.png | 14:33 |
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| thp | is it possible to get greasemonkey and/or stylish (both firefox extensions) running in microb? | 14:34 |
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| comawhite | nfc | 14:34 |
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| thp | timeless_mbp: ^^ | 14:34 |
| * timeless_mbp looks up | 14:34 | |
| MohammadAG | probably not thp | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc greasemonkey exists for microb | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | greasemonkey works | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc sp3000 uses it | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | yep, it does, I use it | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | stylish, dunno | 14:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | depending on how stylish works, it's probably possible to port, but i wouldn't spend the time on it myself, sorry | 14:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | generally i think greasemonkey and usercss should be sufficient for most needs | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i only use user css | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: in for fun? use microb to visit http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: today's my day off, i'm writing up an analysis of SNI support | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever that is | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | day off - never heard about :-P seriously, SNI? | 14:54 |
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| thp | timeless_mbp, MohammadAG: thanks. i'll have a look. any links for greasemonkey maybe? ;) | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | should be in the repositories | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | ~sni | 15:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2011-January/029694.html | 15:03 |
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| Corsac | timeless_mbp: thanks btw, because SNI works pretty fine in maemo browser and it's not exactly the case for other mobile browsers | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/greasemonkey-webaddon/0.8.20090920.2-3maemo1/ | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: if you have more details, i'd love to hear them | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | (or you could add them to the Wikipedia page) | 15:05 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i was thrilled to see Maemo just listed in the <works> section of the Wikipedia item | 15:05 |
| timeless_mbp | that was awesome | 15:05 |
| thp | oh yeah, greasemonkey-webaddon :) got it. thanks! | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | yep, in the repos | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | thp, any luck with g_sound? | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | thp: again, if someone wants it to go into testing, i'd suggest asking romaxa and then doing an nmu | 15:06 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: details on SNI or on the fact it works on maemo? | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: if you have details on mobile platforms where it fails (how), i'd love to hear | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | the thrilled part was for the just works on maemo | 15:07 |
| Corsac | I remember a test on iphone (but before iOS4) which failed miserably | 15:07 |
| Corsac | (SSL on iOS is a massive fail anyway, afair) | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~SNI is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication | 15:09 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 15:09 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: per my research any iOS before 4 doesn't have SNI support, so yeah :) | 15:09 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, i didn't list w2k in my research | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | "oops" | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | i think the bottom line for sni is that you buy one cert for m.<your>.com | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and then an sni for everything else | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | or rather, not one cert | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | but you dedicate one ip not doing sni for m.<your>.com | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | so you only need 3 ips: DNS, m., *., | 15:12 |
| timeless_mbp | and you can probably have your provider run DNS for you | 15:12 |
| timeless_mbp | so your cost is 2 ip's | 15:12 |
| thp | MohammadAG: no luck with g_audio yet.. | 15:13 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: sound about right? | 15:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer frowns ad wonders if he is in need of another coffee | 15:13 | |
| * timeless_mbp offers DocScrutinizer an 'n' | 15:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 15:13 |
| infobot | from memory, xyawn is nice coffee | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 15:13 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks for the nice 'n', mate | 15:14 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if DocScrutinizer knows where to put it :) | 15:15 | |
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| Corsac | timeless_mbp: the whole point is to make vhosting easy with ssl | 15:17 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: yeah, i know | 15:17 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: so you can only have one IP serving multiple vhosts, without having one large certificates with subjectaltname and wildcards | 15:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm just saying that if you need to support mobile, you just have one non vhosted site (m.) | 15:17 |
| timeless_mbp | you can buy normal certs and sni the rest of the things w/ vhosts | 15:17 |
| Corsac | I'm lost | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but to support iPhones running iOS3- you'd want a non vhost for m. | 15:18 |
| Corsac | do mobile browsers first try m.<anything> before <anything>? | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | users might do m. before <anything> | 15:18 |
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| Corsac | ok | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but users tend to do <google> before <anything> | 15:18 |
| Corsac | yeah | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | so if you ensure that m. wins in google | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | you're fine | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and google will try to offer an m. to phones | 15:19 |
| Corsac | (not sure I prefer m. over standard site but maybe that's a maemo habbit) | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | (not sure if that includes iOS, but i suspect it does) | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | i like m. for certain things | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | and i have usercss on my n900 to "fix" m. | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | (it makes the fonts big enough to read) | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | i hate how ovi needs an N900 useragent | 15:20 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: do you know/want to know why? :) | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: (where to put it) of course :-) I put it where I keep all my saved letters, ad it looks nice there :-D | 15:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | :) | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (user tend to do <google>...) yeah, depressing. Quite a lot never heard about URLs at all | 15:27 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, yeah sure | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo "google.com 127.0.0.1" >>/etc/hosts; they will think "the internet is dead" | 15:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: so, before pr1.1 ovi sales wouldn't work properly | 15:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and you can't upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1, you need to get 1.0.1 | 15:29 |
| timeless_mbp | so ovi uses the version to determine if it needs to tell you to upgrade and how :) | 15:29 |
| alterego | strange ts vibra has stopped working | 15:30 |
| alterego | Ah, back now ... | 15:30 |
| alterego | Odd | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I honestly witnessed a "user" enter http://www.google.com into google search's text input box | 15:31 |
| jaska | :D | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, I've seen people googling google.com | 15:32 |
| alterego | heh | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - mum used to do that. | 15:32 |
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| jonwil | Finally took the plunge and ordered my Nokia N90o :) Cant wait for it to arrive so I can start writing cool stuff for it :P | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, couldn't you hook microb up with osso-product-info? | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | I really hate the N900's useragent | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | especially with google | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | and youtube | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: congrats! Believe it or not, you can start writing cool stuff tight away :-D | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: um, eh? | 15:35 |
| timeless_mbp | how exactly do you want this to work? | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/tight/right | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: congrats. | 15:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | the only thing web sites get is a useragent | 15:35 |
| jonwil | yeah, the whole reason to buy the N900 is that its the most hacker friendly phone out there | 15:35 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: exactly how foolishly a server parses a useragent is up to the stupidity of hte web master | 15:35 |
| timeless_mbp | s/ht/th/ | 15:35 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: MohammadAG: exactly how foolishly a server parses a useragent is up to the stupidity of the web master | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='20.2010.36-2' | 15:36 |
| jonwil | well there is the OpenMoko Freerunner phone but that's technology that was a decade obsolete even when it was released... | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: regrettably, yes. | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: that's really a bit harsh. | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | it's not that hard to let microB store that somewhere, and have ovi read it :P | 15:36 |
| jonwil | heh :P | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | 2-2.5 years - maybe | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Though they could actually have released a mass-market - well - hacker - phone in xmas 2007 | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | GTK, basic phone/sms/... stack, X. | 15:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | But they decided they needed it to be pretty - and lost the plot. | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | i wonder how hard it would be to get ofono on maemo 5 | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: IIRC people are trying | 15:37 |
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| jonwil | whats ofono? | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | kinda lowers the difficulty of rewriting the phone app | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | google it | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | open source phone stack | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: (FR obsolete) TWO, hell THREE decades... of months | 15:38 |
| jonwil | ok so maybe it wasnt THAT old | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: that's the price you pay for using open documented chips | 15:39 |
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| MohammadAG | is the FR a bit small? | 15:40 |
| jonwil | The other thing I dont like about the FR is that it doesn't have a keyboard | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | or should i blame my eyes? | 15:40 |
| jonwil | which the n900 does | 15:40 |
| jonwil | It looks like the N900 is more hacker friendly than even the "google" phones like the Nexus 1 and Nexus S | 15:41 |
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| MohammadAG | it's less user-friendly though | 15:42 |
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| jonwil | true. | 15:42 |
| peetah | Corsac: | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | I mean | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | I love android so much that I started hating it | 15:42 |
| peetah | Corsac: grrrr sorry wrong window | 15:42 |
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| jonwil | I can handle a full Gentoo Emerge. I think I can handle the N900 and its UI quirks :) | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: andridiot isn't hacker friendly. Never was, never aimed to be | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 15:43 |
| jonwil | which is why I bought a smartphone where the manufacturer doesn't try and fight the hackers at every turn. | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | nope, you bought a phone where the manufacturer just leaves the users on their own and tells them "tough" | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | lmao | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | the fighting is on a different level: http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ | 15:47 |
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| jonwil | Nokia is no different to any other company when it comes to open source support | 15:50 |
| jonwil | The only companies who care about the community are those where open source is their business like RedHat | 15:51 |
| jonwil | Even then RedHat cares a lot more about you if you have a support contract | 15:52 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: oh thats a good one! | 15:52 |
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| Corsac | peetah: no problem :) | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 15:54 |
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| crashanddie | jonwil, redhat doesn't really care about its open source community | 15:54 |
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| jonwil | RedHat contributes a lot of code (and development hours) to open source projects | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | that's not community | 15:56 |
| jonwil | true | 15:56 |
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| ieatlint | heh, that's random, i know josh berkus... never recall him saying a word about meego/maemo/mobilin | 15:58 |
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| lolloo | hello, I get error when loading pidgin, what does it mean? | 15:59 |
| lolloo | RROR: Caught a segmentation fault while loading plugin file | 15:59 |
| lolloo | usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvolume.so | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | lolloo, it crashed | 15:59 |
| lolloo | how can I fix it. | 15:59 |
| djszapi | How could I type ö ä characters in stardict on my n900 ? I tried to copy a file onto the device for instance with those characters but I cannot copy anything from the terminal into the stardict ? What is the easiest way ? | 16:00 |
| lolloo | it seems it crashed because of this libgstvolume.so | 16:00 |
| lolloo | I tried reboot, and remove it and instal it again. but didnt wokr. | 16:00 |
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| lolloo | how can I reinstall usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvolume.so | 16:01 |
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| lolloo | still crashing! | 16:06 |
| lolloo | is it sometimes because of new instalation of other apps? | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolloo: blame pulseaudio :-P | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lolloo: you *might* want to run pidgin under gdb control, then on segfault do a backtrace. This would maybe yield additional helpful info about why it segfaults | 16:10 |
| lolloo | alright, also I will disbale audio in pidgin. | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | that should help :-D | 16:11 |
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| djszapi | ctrl, shift insert magic cannot work either in terminal since there is no insert button. | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: in xterm there's copy and paste buttons in menu | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: to highlight text you need to click the cursor-alike arrow left hand icon in toolbar | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: ...then highlight text, select "copy" from drop-down menu, and insert into any app's text input field by whatever is the appropriate way there - usually ctrl-v | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: similarly in apps that don't use raw input like ctrl-<anykey> (shell does, see ctrl-c), you cut, copy, paste as usualy via ctrl-x,c,v | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/ususly/usual/ . | 16:26 |
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| pupnik | i keep trying the 'date' command but i haven't gotten any dates from it yet | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 16:34 |
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| lolloo | when I attemp to reinstall pidgin I get this error when installing | 16:36 |
| lolloo | var/lib/dpkg/info/pidgin.postinst: line 11: maemo-select-menu-location: not found | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | echo -e "#!/bin/sh\necho 'whatever'" > /usr/bin/maemo-select-menu-location | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | chmod +x /usr/bin/maemo-select-menu-location | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg --configure -a | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh :-D | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | dirty hack, but whatever | 16:37 |
| djszapi | any idea for the ö ä characters _ | 16:37 |
| djszapi | ? | 16:37 |
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| lolloo | so I just type this all down? | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | in a root shell | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | you better c&p it | 16:38 |
| lolloo | awesome | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is /usr/bin/maemo-select-menu-location supposed to do and to come from? | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | diablo heritage afaik | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | ~ $ cat /usr/bin/maemo-select-menu-location | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | is a newline | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | it's an empty script | 16:40 |
| lolloo | aha | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | No such file or directory | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | /var/lib/dpkg/info/maemo-select-menu-location.list:/usr/bin/maemo-select-menu-location | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd be interested in /pidgin.postinst: line 11 | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | it selects the menu | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | probably with arguments and all | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, you lost me | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | gconf-editor maemo-select-menu-location | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | gconf-editor depends on it | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | so yeah, diablo heritage | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | instead of fixing a package, they uploaded an empty scriptpt | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | lazy devs | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | who did? | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | idk | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | maemo-select-menu-location gconf-editor.hildon.desktop tana_fi_extras | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | that's an example usage line | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | from a postinst | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're talking gibberish | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | Description: Fremantle dummy package | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | nah, i'm pasting lines without saying where they're from | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | it's qole's package, and since the description says it's a dummy package... | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | well, then it's a dummy package | 16:45 |
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| lolloo | it installed correctly thanks! but pidgin still crashes. | 16:46 |
| lolloo | am going to remove it completly from the device and remove the directory manually. | 16:48 |
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| Jaffa | Af'noon, all | 17:07 |
| lolloo | hello | 17:09 |
| lardman | hi Jaffa | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi Jaffa | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: hope you feel better | 17:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/01/three-reasons-creators-should-never.html | 17:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | yup | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Forums contain a cacophony of people telling you to do diametrically opposite things, very loudly, often for bad reasons. | 17:52 |
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| ZogG | yaaaaaaaaay | 17:59 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, appropriate brain filters help with that. | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 18:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN900: not reading them helps more | 18:01 |
| MrBawb | It takes a lot of effort to ignore people hurling insults at your personal work (for real or perceived defects) | 18:02 |
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| * SpeedEvil hurls insurgents at MrBawb. | 18:11 | |
| ZogG | and i hate all this "look at my thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!" posts with same questons again and again =*( | 18:17 |
| * MrBawb hides in a bunker | 18:17 | |
| lardman | would be nice to have an "electrocute" button next to the "thanks" button... :) | 18:17 |
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| maybeHere | "stab in the face"? | 18:19 |
| pupnik | 'ignore posts from this user' | 18:21 |
| pupnik | the lack of that feature led me to ignore t.m.o | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: ++ | 18:27 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, that's a feature. | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: ?? | 18:34 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, ignoring a user. | 18:34 |
| lardman | self-censoring? | 18:34 |
| lardman | TMO that is | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: sorry does not compute | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: this is an *existing* feature? | 18:34 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, for a while. | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: this is the definition of a feature? | 18:35 |
| GAN900 | I was on geneven's ignore list for at least a year. | 18:35 |
| epp | GAN900, you're so cool, can I be your friend? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: now THIS is a nice feature? | 18:35 |
| lardman | I wonder if it would be illuminating to be able to see peoples ignore list contents | 18:35 |
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| GAN900 | epp, no. | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: sorry, I don't see any ignore-button on tmo | 18:37 |
| GAN900 | lardman, about as illuminating as being able to see recent thumb downs on maemo.org. | 18:37 |
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| lardman | well if a name were attached to the thumb | 18:37 |
| lardman | I'll call this new feature a "thumb print" | 18:37 |
| lardman | ;) | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually a subscript next to the thanks list would be cool. mentioning at least number of ignores for this post/user | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | autoignore posts of users that are ignored by those particular users as well >list of tmo users>, or have more than >xxx< arbitrary ignores | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *yawn* | 18:43 |
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| Venemo_N900 | ~ping | 18:44 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:44 |
| epp | bing bong bing | 18:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi | 18:45 |
| ZogG | pupnik report bugfix, but you can't to ignore all new comming users with their questions, they just make forum un navigatable | 18:45 |
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| pupnik | which is sad because in 2010 a lot of people did great work for maemo5 | 19:13 |
| pupnik | my lack of contributions stems more from my own faults | 19:13 |
| pupnik | but it's nice to blame it on others | 19:13 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: the web of distrust? | 19:14 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: DocScrutinizer: As GAN900 says, you can "ignore posts by this user" | 19:15 |
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| pupnik | oh awesome, they implemented it | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: maybe even the economy of trolling: each new user gets 10 credits / month (users with higher karma accordingly more), opening a new thread costs 10 credits (or maybe 5 in noobs-subforum, and up to 50 in special interest sections). Answering a thread costs 1/10 of the opening costs, and you can earn credits by thanks | 19:18 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: this sounds like several failed spam email solutions | 19:18 |
| BCMM | then again, they might've been the sort that failed because everybody would've had to adopt them, which can be forced on a forum | 19:19 |
| pupnik | Did you guys know that one of the very first Science Fiction short stories predicted the Internet, and IRC/chat? 1909: "The Machine Stops" , by E.M. Forster http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/prajlich/forster.html | 19:19 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: anyway, is there a trolling problem on TMO? i thought it was mostly just honestly stupid people | 19:19 |
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| BCMM | (with a serious sense of entitlement, presumably coming from thinking that the forum is tech support for something they paid good money for, etc.) | 19:20 |
| BCMM | actually, the karma economy thing sounds a bit like slashcode's karma system, which basically works pretty well, apart from the occasional humorous usage like modding especially good trolling "insightful" | 19:22 |
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| nidO | well, the big problem with that kind of system is that it's weighted heavily towards contributors rather than "users", which is a problem for a forum like tmo that has a lot of "user" activity | 19:24 |
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| nidO | someone clueless can be perfectly legit and asking perfectly valid questions, which will suck up all their credits in no time, leaving them essentially unable to post for a month | 19:25 |
| RST38h | sounds good to me | 19:25 |
| RST38h | BCMM: Honestly Stupid People are otherwise known as "cancer" | 19:26 |
| mikki-kun | we also have this chat here for small problems :) | 19:26 |
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| RST38h | None of them are trolls, but the end effect is the same. | 19:26 |
| RST38h | mikki-kun: Yes. The answer to your question is www.google.com. Next. | 19:26 |
| mikki-kun | XD | 19:27 |
| nidO | google didnt answer my wondering :( | 19:27 |
| mikki-kun | RST38h: for the german-speaking people there is "www.gidf.de" | 19:27 |
| mikki-kun | RST38h: and i didn't have any question... | 19:28 |
| mikki-kun | so how can it answer me a question i didn't have? | 19:28 |
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| mikki-kun | but uhhhh, 10 credits per month... and a thread costs 10... this will eventually lead to thread hijacking | 19:30 |
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| mikki-kun | and just to make a special thread, wait 5 months? tbh that doesn't sound really helpful... | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | economy parameters are of course adjustable. I'm no ecosystem expert | 19:43 |
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| mikki-kun | i much rather think of 100 points for each month or such | 19:48 |
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| mikki-kun | but i think it is still important to have areas free of those rules | 19:51 |
| mikki-kun | so that you can at least do something in the forums | 19:51 |
| mikki-kun | maybe this credit-system could be applied to a subforum called "tech support" :) | 19:51 |
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| pupnik | ty for the link mikki-kun | 20:05 |
| mikki-kun | lol ^^ np :) | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/01/06/014226/SEGA-Brings-Gaming-To-Public-Restroom-Toilets - can you get waterproof cases for the n900? | 20:07 |
| pupnik | since trying out an android device, i have been horrified by how terrible the search results are for it | 20:07 |
| pupnik | and how dispersed the good information is, and how many spam sites come up in results | 20:08 |
| pupnik | the amount of time that costs is incredible -- maemo is almost paradise in comparison | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | search results for what? | 20:08 |
| BCMM | that sounds a lot like Windows | 20:13 |
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| pupnik | yes, it reminded me a lot of it | 20:14 |
| pupnik | for example searching for a ssh-client to run from terminal | 20:14 |
| pupnik | i spent 1 hour | 20:14 |
| * BCMM shudders at the thought of not having OpenSSH | 20:15 | |
| pupnik | and finally came up with a dropbear build from an obscure site, with very little confirmation that it was safe | 20:15 |
| BCMM | that sounds *exactly* like getting anything done on windows | 20:15 |
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| nidO | pupnik: ConnectBot? | 20:16 |
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| Aderlass | good evening :) | 20:19 |
| ZogG | they see me trolling and hatting ... lalalala | 20:21 |
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| Aderlass | sorry guys i want to buy 1 or 2 new bl5j accus for my n900 ... do you know where i may find a REAL nokia bl5j or atleast one that you would recommend ? | 20:21 |
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| pupnik | chromium-browser crashed X (possibly from html5/youtube) | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got a "real" faked "original" bl-5j from a turkish we-got-everything shop nearby, for 1/5 of what it costs in a Nokia shop. Works ok for me | 20:24 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: TMO's had "ignore posts by this user" for *years*. Since ITT days. | 20:25 |
| pupnik | somehow i missed that | 20:26 |
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| Aderlass | you know ... working is ofcourse one thing ... lasting like an original like the ones n900´s are shipped with is onother ithink ;) | 20:26 |
| Aderlass | so | 20:27 |
| nidO | my original battery seems to have magic powers, it decided to suddenly get like 2-3 times better a couple of weeks ago | 20:27 |
| lcuk | jaffa, did you ever remove the block on GAN900? :P | 20:27 |
| Aderlass | iam am confused and frightend already ... :P | 20:27 |
| lcuk | nidO, caused by change in behaviour or app list most likely | 20:28 |
| timeless_mbp | if X11 crashes, that's X11's fault | 20:28 |
| nidO | theres been no app changes, and its 2-3x better than when the device was *brand new and with no software installed* | 20:28 |
| nidO | starting just before christmas the device can suddenly manage over a week idle, where previously it'd struggle to manage 2-3 days | 20:28 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: i tried nitdroid, i found two packages which are addons for a third | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | afaict the third package doesn't exist anymore | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | which is well... awesome | 20:29 |
| Aderlass | maybe it EXPLODES inside of my baby -and kills me also ORSOMESHITLIKETHAT :P | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/blog/143/ | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | for x11 crashing | 20:30 |
| Aderlass | but | 20:30 |
| * timeless_mbp still hasn't found a Terminal for android | 20:30 | |
| timeless_mbp | i found something that claimed to be a terminal from the android devs, and installed it, but i can't find it in the launcher | 20:30 |
| * timeless_mbp hearts maemo | 20:30 | |
| Aderlass | you think an extra accu like for 7 or 10 dollars is ok ... ?!? | 20:31 |
| pupnik | nice | 20:31 |
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| pupnik | i suggest spending a bit more | 20:31 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Nah, I've got an ignore on "*" ;-) | 20:31 |
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| Aderlass | mohammadag ?? :) what do YOU think :) | 20:31 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp: got a reply from romaxa, "That is part of Maemo PR1.2 image already." | 20:32 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp: this is about "microb-engine-common-ext" btw | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: oh, heh, right | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, the same thing happened for geoloc | 20:32 |
| * timeless_mbp forgot | 20:32 | |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: but dpkg -L microb-engine-common-ext says not installed! | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: it's integrated into the core packages | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of being its own package | 20:34 |
| lcuk | lol Jaffa | 20:34 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: ah right. ok so how do i edit the password for a domain? | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | you need to load the right chrome: url | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: got firefox + dom inspector? | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (That's the easy way to find it) | 20:34 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: i dont have firefox installed on N900 | 20:35 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: desktop | 20:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | running domi on the n900 would be amusing | 20:35 |
| RST38h | Sorry for a generalquestion, but what program should I use to transcode video for Nokia 5800? | 20:35 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: yup, do have firefox installed on the desktop. | 20:35 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: install dom inspector | 20:36 |
| timeless_mbp | then open dom inspector | 20:36 |
| timeless_mbp | then open the password manage | 20:36 |
| lcuk | hmm RST38h, well do you know what format it needs to be in? | 20:36 |
| timeless_mbp | in dom inspector, inspect chrome winndow > password manager | 20:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | the location bar will tell you the url you need to load in your microb | 20:36 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6622/ | 20:37 |
| nidO | RST38h: whats the source format | 20:37 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: i dont have a password manager in Dom inspector | 20:38 |
| Aderlass | excuseme for disturbing you, but i am sitting next to a friend of mine wich has an ibay account and evrything you know, and i am to confused to dicide wich accumulator i should take for MY BABY .... idont want to HURT IT you know ;P ... the n900 is somehow IMPORTANT to me and thats why i did not order just the first thing i saw at ebay/amazon ... but on the nokia-uk-shop - and idid not find the german one - the bl5j kosts 29 po | 20:38 |
| Aderlass | unds ... and thats like nearly 40 euros AND THAT IS TO MUCH ithink ... please help me :( | 20:38 |
| timeless_mbp | domi is an addon | 20:38 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: password manager is somewhere in options in firefox | 20:38 |
| pupnik | by the way the 27c3 lectures are all online, all accessible via one directory, in video or audio format | 20:38 |
| timeless_mbp | once you get to the window through options, then you inspect it in domi | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | domi lets you inspect any open window | 20:39 |
| pupnik | i volunteer to do that for any conference | 20:39 |
| nidO | Aderlass: not sure what nokia uk shop you're looking at, but at nokia UK a bl5j is £19, not £29 | 20:39 |
| nidO | but, delivery from the uk will probably not be overly cheap | 20:39 |
| Aderlass | jeah but with shipping 29 ! | 20:39 |
| Aderlass | 10pounds for shipping | 20:39 |
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| Aderlass | ok 4 normal 10 express | 20:40 |
| Khertan | Hi all ! | 20:40 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: Preferences>Security>Saved Passwords. Is that password manager? | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 20:40 |
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| Aderlass | please someone | 20:41 |
| nidO | I hate to state the obvious, but why not just walk into a real genuine physical shop and buy a nokia battery in a clearly labelled pack? | 20:41 |
| Aderlass | :) help | 20:41 |
| Aderlass | !!! | 20:41 |
| Khertan | Someone have already use twitpic ? Is it normal that image aren't automatically tweeted to your timeline ? | 20:41 |
| nidO | im sure media markt must sell them, and im sure germany must have phone shops | 20:41 |
| Aderlass | what bl5j should i take formy n900 | 20:41 |
| Aderlass | ???? | 20:41 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: ok it is showing the passwords for all the domains, now what? | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: open dom inspector | 20:41 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: do i first browse to the domain i want to change? | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | all you need is the url of the window | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | the chrome window | 20:42 |
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| Khertan | timeless_mdp : grrr do not talk about dom inspector ... lost 2 hours to understand a stupid html/css bug i ve ... | 20:42 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: i cant get to the addons until i close the password manager | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: that's why you open domi first! | 20:43 |
| Khertan | it s a real pain this javascript / html / css things .... and worse nokia is pushing for qml | 20:43 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:43 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks safari for being stupid | 20:43 | |
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| * Khertan kick qml for the pain to do interface ! | 20:44 | |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: ok, i have domi and password manager open | 20:44 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: now go back to domi and in the file menu select inspect chrome window | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and select the password manager window | 20:44 |
| Khertan | hihi | 20:45 |
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| alterego | Khertan: what you interfacing qml with? | 20:45 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: i get this chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul | 20:46 |
| Khertan | i ve try to remake khweeteur with qml | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: right, that's what you enter into microb | 20:46 |
| alterego | Ah | 20:46 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: ok. let me try | 20:47 |
| alterego | Yes, I remember you mentioning this a few weeks ago or so. | 20:47 |
| alterego | If you need any help with anything I'm always here ;) | 20:47 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: nice one. thanks! | 20:49 |
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| Khertan_ | re | 20:49 |
| Khertan_ | timeout | 20:49 |
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| Khertan_ | how did you made a menu ? is it possible ? | 20:50 |
| Khertan_ | or use qwidget ? | 20:50 |
| Khertan_ | ~ping | 20:51 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:51 |
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| Khertan_ | Someone know if posting a picture to twitpic should result in a tweet creation in the timeline or not ? As picture is posted but no tweet appear in my timeline | 20:52 |
| Khertan_ | and as i m just starting implementation | 20:53 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 20:53 |
| alterego | Khertan_: a menu system you'd have to come up with yourself. | 20:53 |
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| alterego | Though what I'd do is write a Qt container app, which integrates with maemo/meego, that displays your QML canvas. | 20:54 |
| Khertan_ | alterego ... hum so ... useless ... | 20:54 |
| Khertan_ | i already have something portable that work on desktop, maemo, meego | 20:55 |
| Khertan_ | with qwidget | 20:55 |
| alterego | That way you can use normal Qt/QtMaemo dialogs/buttons/widgets on a layer ontop of your main QML interface. | 20:55 |
| alterego | Oh right, so what's the QML for? | 20:55 |
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| Khertan_ | just because nokia qt guys say that meego nokia style could maybe apply just to qml and not qwidget for handset ux | 20:56 |
| Khertan_ | so they force dev to use qml | 20:57 |
| Khertan_ | no choice | 20:57 |
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| alterego | That's not going to happen. | 20:59 |
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| Khertan_ | alterego: read the meego mailing list it ll happen | 21:02 |
| Khertan_ | and as cylon said : and will happen again | 21:02 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:04 |
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| * khertan hope it ll be more stable | 21:05 | |
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| timeless_mbp | ~sni | 21:05 |
| infobot | from memory, sni is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication | 21:05 |
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| lcuk | khertan, post specific links when making bold statements | 21:09 |
| lcuk | randomly pointing to ML doesn't help people in future | 21:09 |
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| khertan | lcuk : true | 21:12 |
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| alterego | QML is fine for quite a few things but you'll always need to use Qt to do anything complex. That's just the nature of QML development. | 21:14 |
| alterego | You can't do anything exciting without custom widgets in any Qt app. | 21:14 |
| khertan | will be hard as isp blocking imap on my n900 but will try | 21:15 |
| khertan | http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg07365.html | 21:15 |
| alterego | Let alone a QML one. | 21:15 |
| khertan | but anyway qml is a nice addon for javascript fan | 21:16 |
| alterego | QML is great, but QML is pretty usless without Qt | 21:16 |
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| alterego | The idea of QML is for designers to do their job whilst developers write the custom widgets and application code in Qt/C++ | 21:18 |
| khertan | like edje | 21:19 |
| khertan | yep it s a nice add for large team | 21:19 |
| alterego | Of course it's possible to write full albeit thin apps in nothing but QML and JS. | 21:20 |
| alterego | Anyway, this is why QML wont replace QtGui, It'll just transform what we already do. | 21:20 |
| khertan | just hope ... i didn t understand thing like that from the ml link i post | 21:22 |
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| alterego | Yeah, this is the problem with these types of medium, mailing lists, blog posts, whatever, they can so easily be taken out of their intended context, maybe because the author presumes the readers know what they're reading about :) | 21:23 |
| alterego | But I've been following Qt, MTF and QtQuick/QML a lot and sure declarative UIs are the future as far as Qt, but we'll always have thhe C++ side of things to properly lay a foundation for the apps. | 21:27 |
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| alterego | MTF is a bit of a joke, but I still quite like it. | 21:28 |
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| jacekowski | does n900 support CSD and HSCSD? | 21:59 |
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| mschlens | jacekowski: it seems to have hscsd | 22:00 |
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| dotblank | drop.maemo.org doesn't seem to be accepting my ssh public key for package uploads | 22:18 |
| jacekowski | show your key | 22:19 |
| jacekowski | how you tpe it | 22:19 |
| jacekowski | type | 22:19 |
| jacekowski | public part of course | 22:19 |
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| dotblank | k one sec | 22:22 |
| dotblank | ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQDRbfwndum46/ip3ipfC+tqzvoowrun1qPLZ1wj2/oO7GR7enbW+vI4K1PhKt3svEQBFlePDEmu0+CUjgM6QZzcui5orWYU9X9NngXP3okXGqziDZQXPCzROs+P+P+A/AmvXPdtC7Z/AFpLGJVTdUeymcMe7Nq4tQ/iwrkYbM8vDt5xT+zgczSm+czCSMywb0NImIBQM2B6D1FwZBXhXNWn/Zm+LTdY7mjTEV+c61ioh3is67rfJ5YYqEoxCexAXggCELa3Lty1h5XvG3BaUmtaQ2H1d6Hv6UbA0UuFsX7zqi6N80p3IYHhawiym58/3cQYRscCfppIYTBxYG+qW8P3 EliasWoods@gmail.com | 22:22 |
| dotblank | Am I allowed only one public key pair? I ahve 3 set up | 22:23 |
| dotblank | on my garage account | 22:23 |
| jacekowski | nope | 22:24 |
| jacekowski | it should work | 22:24 |
| jacekowski | one per line | 22:24 |
| dotblank | :( | 22:24 |
| dotblank | let me be safe and use only that one key anyway | 22:24 |
| jacekowski | and you have to wait like 15 minutes | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | for it to update | 22:25 |
| dotblank | ah well its been at least 24 hours | 22:25 |
| dotblank | since I added my key | 22:25 |
| dotblank | also this is a bit odd | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | then you're doing it wrong | 22:26 |
| dotblank | 2011-01-06 22:08:01] Processing package groove 0.4-13. Uploader: dotblank, builder: builder1 | 22:26 |
| dotblank | [2011-01-06 22:08:04] Unexpected error: | 22:26 |
| dotblank | OSError'>: [Errno 5] Input/output error: '/mnt/builder/fremantle/groove_0.4-13' | 22:26 |
| dotblank | but then it says the package built fine | 22:27 |
| dotblank | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/groove_0.4-13/ | 22:27 |
| dotblank | (I uploaded it throught the extras assistant) | 22:27 |
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| saLOUt | how do i get git 1.7 on my n900? | 22:42 |
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| saLOUt | i am an advanced linux user and a new owner of an n900 (but I am only familar with rpm based distros) | 22:43 |
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| BCMM | saLOUt: i don't know; i think maybe the latest version of the package is 1.6.6 | 22:44 |
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| saLOUt | BCMM: and how would i install that version? | 22:45 |
| BCMM | saLOUt: apt-get install git-core, from memory | 22:45 |
| BCMM | i'll just check that that's what the package i have is called | 22:45 |
| saLOUt | BCMM: do i need gainroot for that? | 22:45 |
| saLOUt | that would be nice. | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | git-core, you need root obviously | 22:46 |
| BCMM | saLOUt: i think sudo is configured to allow use of apt-get | 22:46 |
| BCMM | could be wrong | 22:46 |
| BCMM | saLOUt: "sudo apt-get install git-core" may work, but you're bound to want gainroot at some point anyway | 22:47 |
| BCMM | saLOUt: oh, and you'll need to make sure HAM is closed. only one package-manager instance can do stuff at once | 22:47 |
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| MohammadAG | no | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | sudo is configured to allow apt-worker | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | different things | 22:48 |
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| saLOUt | how can i upscale the font in the inbuild browser or firefox? | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | with sense | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | i.e open options and adjust view | 22:50 |
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| saLOUt | MohammadAG: sense? | 22:51 |
| saLOUt | do you mean in firefox? | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | was it hard to figure out it was in options? :P | 22:51 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, is the thing about QWidget not being styled true? | 22:56 |
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| saLOUt | which ssh app do i have to install to access the n900 via ssh? | 22:57 |
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| MohammadAG | openssh-server | 22:57 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i have a question to you | 22:59 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: do you eat pork and that sort of food? | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | nah | 23:00 |
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| jacekowski | because it's not halal or some other reason? | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | nope, just that | 23:00 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, random question heh | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | nah, i've seen video on one of polish sites | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | where some bloke went berserk after he was asked if they have bacon | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | and that was in kfc or something | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | if I found something had pork, I'd be like meh | 23:03 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, do you know how to use IDA pro? | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | yes | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, can you help someone out please? | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | who | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | where | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | and what is a problem | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 23:04 |
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| nidO | you missed how, why, and when :( | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, idk, never used it and he's been asking for help all day :) | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, sec, i'll ask him to join freenode | 23:05 |
| RST38h | what help do you need with ida? | 23:06 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, him ^ | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, i don't :) | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: morninh | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | morning* | 23:07 |
| RST38h | ah ok | 23:08 |
| Matt` | D: | 23:08 |
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| jacekowski | Matt`: hmm, so what is your problem? | 23:10 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, err, morning? lol | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | it's always morning in here | 23:10 |
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| johnx | universal greeting time after all :) | 23:12 |
| johnx | mornin' all | 23:12 |
| lardman | hey johnx | 23:12 |
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| * lardman uses non-time-related universal greeting :) | 23:13 | |
| MrBawb | and a universal greeting to you, lardman | 23:13 |
| lardman | likewise MrBawb :) | 23:14 |
| johnx | lardman, but that's cheating :P | 23:14 |
| lardman | I've been found out! | 23:14 |
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| RST38h | Jimmy Wales has got his money but is still plaguing Wiki readers | 23:19 |
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| khertan | lol | 23:21 |
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| khertan | Uh i got a strange error with QFileDialog : any advice : /home/user/MyDocs/Projects/khweeteur/khweeteur/__init__.py:1276: Warning: /home/bifh4/fremantle-arm-fremantle1.2.cs2007q3/work/glib2.0-2.20.3/gobject/gsignal.c:2387: instance `0x7330d0' has no handler with id `555' sys.exit(Khweeteur().exec_()) | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | what's the code? | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | 1276 lines in python, oh my :P | 23:27 |
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| khertan | the 1276 is sys.exit | 23:28 |
| khertan | :) | 23:28 |
| khertan | don t understand why it print that as app didn t quit | 23:28 |
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| khertan | i think this is due the .exec_() | 23:29 |
| saLOUt | how can i set my maemo to open epub files with fbreader by default? | 23:30 |
| khertan | /home/user/MyDocs/Projects/khweeteur/khweeteur/__init__.py:1061: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed | 23:30 |
| khertan | lol | 23:30 |
| khertan | i m sure i m missing something trivial | 23:31 |
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| saLOUt | how do i know the n900 unix user password. I need it for ssh | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | login as root using the password you set | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | passwd user | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | user does not have a password normally | 23:36 |
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| BCMM | no, use SSH keys | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | or, yes, that | 23:44 |
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