| chem|st | ;) welcome to the darksi.. ehrm 2011 | 00:02 |
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| pupnik | i miss watching the liquid scintillation counter with it's nixie-tube display | 00:03 |
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| pupnik | the archos a70 tablet getting great benchmark results http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?p=298040#p298040 | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | is that omap4 or something | 00:28 |
| pupnik | newp, omap3640 @ 1ghz | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | oh, wow | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | it's kinda surprising then that droid is so low | 00:31 |
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| pupnik | if things go well it will be running maego soon | 00:33 |
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| Venemo | pupnik: maego? :) | 00:37 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:41 |
| nox- | heh | 00:42 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 00:43 |
| pupnik | ;) | 00:43 |
| pupnik | copyright my ass. it's even a better name | 00:43 |
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| * javispedro agrees with pupnik :) | 00:43 | |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, oh is that the thread where this guy starts by complaining that all the shit he downloaded from -devel doesn't work? | 00:44 |
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| javispedro | ah, funny thread | 00:45 |
| mtnbkr | anyone seen this yet? http://thenokiablog.com/2010/12/30/nokia-n900-popular-amazon-gift/ | 00:48 |
| mtnbkr | interesting, but who gives a ~ $600 phone/mini-tablet as a gift? I need richer friends so I don't have to pay for things like my N900 myself :) | 00:49 |
| Venemo | mtnbkr: yeah, I've seen it. quite surprising | 00:50 |
| Venemo | also raises the question, how much did Nokia pay for Amazon for this? | 00:50 |
| javispedro | pft. | 00:50 |
| mtnbkr | Venemo: right? | 00:51 |
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| alterego | I don't find it that ridiculous | 00:53 |
| alterego | Mainly because the type of people buying it. | 00:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Aww - no fun ones. | 00:56 |
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| ds3 | has anyone tried using the roadrunner app as a general alert when approaching a way point app ? | 01:04 |
| alterego | And I've just added waypoint averaging .. | 01:05 |
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| alterego | Still need to add rendering to track view though | 01:05 |
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| ds3 | is roadrunner your app? | 01:05 |
| alterego | No, I'm talking about a different app .. | 01:06 |
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| ds3 | ah | 01:06 |
| alterego | It is pure coincidence you started asking about roadrunner :P | 01:06 |
| ds3 | I just want a way to notify me if I am near a waypoint in a list so if you got another app... | 01:06 |
| ds3 | I see. | 01:06 |
| alterego | Sure, mine will be able to do that. | 01:06 |
| ds3 | oh? does it trigger the normal alerts or some other thing? and is it small? | 01:07 |
| alterego | Are you saying roadrunner works or doesn't? | 01:07 |
| ds3 | neither, I just came across it as I was looking for such an pp | 01:07 |
| ds3 | app | 01:07 |
| alterego | It's not particularly small, but it is quite lightweight if that's what you mean. | 01:07 |
| ds3 | not quite my goal but it seems to be close to what I want | 01:07 |
| ds3 | well, I would like to co-exists with Mappero running hence the desire for it to be small | 01:08 |
| alterego | Hrm, | 01:08 |
| ds3 | ideally, it should just be a widget to enable the alarm | 01:08 |
| alterego | Well, it wouldn't be too hard to knock something like that up. | 01:09 |
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| alterego | Why don't you do it? | 01:09 |
| ds3 | what I want to do is when i see a place I want to visit, place a marker on a desktop app. save it out as a GPX file that gets pushed. the N900 would be a normal moving map display but it would also alert me if I am near something | 01:09 |
| ds3 | cuz I just started looking so I don't re-invent the wheel and also cuz I am not much of an apps person (I do kernel/bootloader stuff mainly) | 01:10 |
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| ds3 | it is something I got inspired by reading other stuff | 01:10 |
| ds3 | if I understand things right, I take the location sample app in python and muck with it to do that | 01:11 |
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| alterego | Yeah, maybe. | 01:11 |
| alterego | lat/lon are sent via dbus | 01:12 |
| alterego | Or you can use Qt Mobility (even in python) as it has a nice method for measuring the distance between to lat/lon coords. | 01:12 |
| ds3 | but roadrunner seems to be a candidate to test out the idea | 01:12 |
| alterego | M'hmm | 01:12 |
| ds3 | distance between shouldn't be too hard; for the distances I want (<1 mile), couldn't I just use the distance formula? | 01:13 |
| alterego | m'hmm | 01:14 |
| ds3 | the only part I donno is how to interface with the alerts system | 01:15 |
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| alterego | Well, that depends one what kind of alerts you want. | 01:20 |
| alterego | Are you talking about just normal hildon info banners? | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, crap | 01:20 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: what's crap? :P | 01:21 |
| * alterego humms inanely | 01:21 | |
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| MohammadAG | Venemo, I broke the mediaplayer :P | 01:22 |
| ds3 | the full alerts thing, kind of like when a SMS comes in | 01:22 |
| wmarone | hm, what's the channel for the community ssu? | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | wmarone, #maemo-ssu , I'm not responsible if anything breaks until it's released officially | 01:23 |
| pupnik | freenode slow for anyone else atm? | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | 2s lag | 01:23 |
| wmarone | MohammadAG: yeah, just confused at an update that trickled down | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | I'm testing stuff | 01:24 |
| lardman | night chaps | 01:25 |
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| MohammadAG | going back to gedit for C/C++ is lulz | 01:25 |
| wmarone | ouch | 01:26 |
| alterego | gedit is awesome :P | 01:28 |
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| ds3 | vi4ever | 01:29 |
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| MohammadAG | indeed, but you don't get the autocomplete/syntax highlighting that Qt Creator provides :P | 01:30 |
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| MohammadAG | yay | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | one layout for the mediaplayer | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | but I need to move the widgets in it, no idea how | 01:31 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 01:31 | |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what it would take to get Ovi Suite to have non lame text | 01:31 | |
| SpeedEvil | A large crowd of villagers with pitchforks and flaming torches? | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | a better design team? :P | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | that works too | 01:33 |
| Venemo | lol SpeedEvil | 01:34 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: why gedit instead of Qt Creator? | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | a bit lighter for quick code checkups :P | 01:34 |
| Venemo | heh, lol | 01:34 |
| Venemo | I would never give up an IDE for a notepad | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | if something doesn't send clicked(), how do I make it do so again? :P | 01:36 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: it does send clicked, but you may not have connected to it | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | QGraphicsView doesn't send clicked() | 01:37 |
| Ex-Opesa | Can n900 play video codec "H264 MPEG-4 AVC" and audio codec "MPEG AAC"? | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | depends on profile | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | as in it can play all | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | void QGraphicsView::mouseReleaseEvent(QMouseEvent *event) <-- assuming I need to go on with this? | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | but only some with hardware acceleration at normal framerate | 01:38 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: ummmmm | 01:38 |
| alterego | M'hmm | 01:38 |
| Ex-Opesa | jacekowski: Can you please explain? | 01:38 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: what would you like to achieve exactly? | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | Ex-Opesa: omap iva only has support for some codecs | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, a QGraphicsView that emits clicked() when clicked | 01:39 |
| Ex-Opesa | jacekowski: What you mean by "depends on provile" | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | Ex-Opesa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | Ex-Opesa: only baseline will be decoded at full framerate | 01:39 |
| Ex-Opesa | So how will I know which profile the video has which I am trying to play? :/ | 01:40 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: you'll have to make a derived class, make a clicked() signal for it, override its mouseReleaseEvent, and if the button is the left one, emit the clicked signal | 01:41 |
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| jacekowski | Ex-Opesa: yeah | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | Ex-Opesa: it will either work or work at low framerate | 01:42 |
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| Ex-Opesa | jacekowski: It doesn't even work. Which program should I use to convert it into baseline mpeg. I am not so experienced with multimedia codecs. | 01:44 |
| ShadowJK | The default media player just says unsupported format if it's not baseline | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, got it, one more question though, would I need to add the QGraphicsView outside of Designer? | 01:46 |
| Venemo | Ex-Opesa: try to playback with mplayer maybe | 01:46 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: no, there is a "promote to..." feature in the designer | 01:47 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: that way you can promote your QGraphicsView in the designer to "MaeMohamMediaGraphicsView" | 01:47 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: (joking, sorry! :P) | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | but that means I need an extra .h file right? | 01:48 |
| Venemo | for what? | 01:49 |
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| MohammadAG | Venemo, the class | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:50 |
| * MohammadAG experiments | 01:50 | |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: yeah, as I said, you need to derive a class from QGraphicsView | 01:51 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: you should make a .h and a .cpp for it | 01:51 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Venemo: Superb! It worked flawlessly. I installed kmplayer some days and I tried it first time now. It worked. Thanks Venemo. Can you tell me which program is used in default "media player" of n900? | 01:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's a custom nokia program. | 01:51 |
| Venemo | Ex-Opesa: mafw is used, but I'm not sure what its backend is | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | For which no sources are available | 01:51 |
| Venemo | Ex-Opesa: anyway mplayer is good to give a spin when the default player fails | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | In some cases, the inbuilt player can use significantly less battery. | 01:52 |
| Ex-Opesa | Venemo: Indeed | 01:52 |
| Ex-Opesa | SpeedEvil: Yeah I think mplayer might use more cpu usage then default. Don't know just an assumption. | 01:53 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: that is why I said "when the default player fails" | 01:53 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: any success? | 01:54 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, just a sec | 01:54 |
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| MohammadAG | Venemo, done with the .h/cpp files, but now how do I promote it? | 02:03 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: open the designer, right click the widget | 02:04 |
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| MohammadAG | did that | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | but it says Not used | 02:04 |
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| MohammadAG | oh | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | heh, sorry | 02:06 |
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| Venemo | wut? | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | promoted it, but build fails :P | 02:08 |
| Venemo | commit, push, lemmecheckit | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | I won't commit broken sources :P | 02:10 |
| Venemo | then whatever. email it to me | 02:11 |
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| Venemo | [01:10] <MohammadAG> I won't commit broken sources :P ----> VERY GOOD attitude! :) | 02:11 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: or maybe send it on Skype | 02:11 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: bah, I forgot my Skype password, AGAIN... :( | 02:12 |
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| MohammadAG | I think I got it working :P | 02:12 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: it's the 5th time in the past few months... fortunately I saved it in Firefox I think | 02:13 |
| alterego | Now .. Should I get the waypoint list to dynamically update every second .. | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil1 | ou mean eading and range to waypoints? | 02:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Round to 0.1 degrees/5m, only paint if new is different from old? | 02:14 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: basically, do I update this: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20101231-013048.png | 02:14 |
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| Venemo | alterego: nice | 02:15 |
| alterego | I think I'll leave it for now. | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | yep, it's working :_ | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I would say it would usually be useful to be able to click on one of those, and get a live heading and range display | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | :)* | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | thanks Venemo | 02:15 |
| Venemo | I'm glad to help as always, MohammadAG :) | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | But to get live heading and range to all would be less useful normally. | 02:15 |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: yeah, working on that at the moment ;) | 02:15 |
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| alterego | I'm thinking of trying something new as well, I'm thinking of, when creating a waypoint, having the ability to do a little doodle/sketch which will then be used as the waypoints icon. | 02:18 |
| alterego | I reckon it'd be quicker than selecting an icon from a list. | 02:18 |
| alterego | Hrm, though drawing with your finger might be a bit annoying .. | 02:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Take a snap too as an option | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | thp, ping | 02:23 |
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| alterego | Yeah, that's a good idea. | 02:28 |
| kerio | is there a way to disable the "type to enter address" in microb? | 02:30 |
| kerio | it's fucking annoying | 02:30 |
| alterego | Eh? | 02:31 |
| kerio | if you're on a page and you type something while the focus isn't on a text box, you get the address bar | 02:35 |
| alterego | Oh yeah, that's bloody annoying. | 02:35 |
| kerio | timeless_xchat: fix this ffs | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | There is an about:config entry I think | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | It was decided by the excellent UI people. | 02:37 |
| ShadowJK | isn't it in the settings even | 02:37 |
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| alterego | Don't think so. | 02:40 |
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| kerio | hey, what do you know | 02:40 |
| kerio | it is | 02:40 |
| alterego | Heh | 02:40 |
| kerio | ok, how do i set ctrl+l to bring the address bar up? | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | that's how it is for me | 02:41 |
| alterego | Yeah, mine does that anyway | 02:42 |
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| kerio | meh | 02:44 |
| Venemo | kerio: use Fennec :P:P:P | 02:44 |
| kerio | i have 256mb of ram, not 8gb | 02:44 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 02:48 |
| Venemo | kerio: heheh :) | 02:48 |
| Venemo | btw their latest beta is _almost_ there | 02:48 |
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| alterego | I dislike the interface tbh | 02:57 |
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| Arkenoi | So does anyone have definite answer: will n9 run maemo programs "just recompiled" or major modifications will be required? | 02:58 |
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| alterego | Arkenoi: there is no definitive answer. | 02:59 |
| alterego | But most applications should run with a light bit of retweaking. | 02:59 |
| ShadowJK | It's almost there, but it has way too many "wait, no, don't do that, stop, nooooo I didn't tap that link, stop stop stop, why does stop button not do anything, wtf white page, go back... ... how can it take 30s to go back one page when it didn't take that long to load in the first place"-moments | 02:59 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, any suggestions to fix distortion in http://i56.tinypic.com/iqdmw2.jpg ? | 03:00 |
| alterego | Hrm, not sure. It wouldn't look so odd if you moved it down a bit so there was more of a margin at the top | 03:01 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you're missing the point :P | 03:05 |
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| nazgee | does anyone has an idea what is happening with http://download.obs.maemo.org ? I am trying to access Harbaum's personal repos from there, but it seems that the whole service is dead... | 03:12 |
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| pupnik_ | nazgee: looks down here | 03:21 |
| nazgee | pupnik_: Hurray. I was wondering, if maybe one of you guys can just flip this big red button, and bring it up, huh? :) | 03:23 |
| pupnik_ | is that even a valid url? | 03:24 |
| alterego | Oh coool, Wall-E is on iplayer ^.^ | 03:24 |
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| pupnik | new psx emu wootwoot | 03:48 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Guys. How can I increase the status bar? I think there was some way to disable the scrolling. | 05:48 |
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| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66251 Ex-Opesa | 05:56 |
| Ex-Opesa | Salam Alaikum MohammadAG | 05:58 |
| MohammadAG | o/ | 05:58 |
| Ex-Opesa | MohammadAG: Powatool can also increase number of lines of statuses? | 06:00 |
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| MohammadAG | no, it's not a runtime thing | 06:02 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Yeah AFAIK it only edits the config but I am asking if it increases the lines from 5 to 6. | 06:03 |
| Ex-Opesa | Let me install and try it. And thanks for the head ups. | 06:03 |
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| pupnik | snes9x for archos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN_wXpY0ix0 | 06:04 |
| pupnik | pocketsnes for archos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwfyOE33KJA | 06:04 |
| pupnik | check out the speed difference ;) | 06:04 |
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| ds3 | what about stella? :D | 06:32 |
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| ds3 | prehaps with the joystick replaced by the accelormeter? | 06:32 |
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| pupnik | ds3: stella isn't a challenging system to emulate | 06:59 |
| pupnik | i mean emulator to get running fast | 06:59 |
| ds3 | *nod* but all the interesting games are on stella | 07:00 |
| pupnik | :) | 07:03 |
| pupnik | that's hardcore man | 07:03 |
| pupnik | ds3: for example? | 07:04 |
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| pupnik | ds3: this should work actually http://pupnik.de/chinook/stella_2.4.1-1_armel.deb | 07:06 |
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| Ex-Opesa | By the way xenon flash is better or dual-led flash is better? | 07:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | I like dual-LED; in theory at least it can be used in torch mode during video recording. In reality, it's useful as a flashlight if nothing else | 07:17 |
| Ex-Opesa | Mate, how do you it in video recording? :S | 07:17 |
| RobbieThe1st | Not sure, which is why I said "theory" | 07:17 |
| Ex-Opesa | I was just reading this http://shootspeak.com/2010/11/08/nokia-n8-camera-preview/and ya n900's camera had bad result against n8's xenon flash. See the toys/room image. | 07:18 |
| Ex-Opesa | Yeah. | 07:18 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I can tell you that the n900's flash is fairly short-range; It goes around 6-8 feet, at least in torch mode | 07:19 |
| Ex-Opesa | Did you see the link? | 07:20 |
| MohammadAG | the N86's flash is epic | 07:20 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Not until now; you added "and" to the end, making it a broken URL | 07:20 |
| pupnik | that n8 camera is awesome | 07:21 |
| Ex-Opesa | Actually I always think why n900's camera is so greenish when it comes to dark room images. :/ | 07:21 |
| MohammadAG | small lens is one | 07:21 |
| MohammadAG | btw | 07:21 |
| MohammadAG | the N86's LED flash is almost on par with Xenon flashes | 07:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, erm, there's 2X the green sensors, so you'd expect things to be greenish if it's not filtered quite right | 07:21 |
| Ex-Opesa | In light/sunny days its pretty awesome but at dark environment it fails. | 07:21 |
| ds3 | pupnik: pitfall, donkey kong, millipede, centipede, etc... classic stuff | 07:22 |
| MohammadAG | and it beats the crap out of the N900's flash | 07:22 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Yeah! Any way you guys got around to get rid of greenish images other then blessn900? | 07:23 |
| RobbieThe1st | The N8 might be nice, but it's missing crucial features - Hardware keyboard, Debian-based OS... | 07:23 |
| Ex-Opesa | Indeed RobbieThe1st. | 07:23 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 07:24 |
| MohammadAG | thinking of replacing the flash on the N900 with that orn the N86 | 07:24 |
| pupnik | ds3: well if it doesn' work let me know | 07:24 |
| MohammadAG | i wonder if it's possible | 07:24 |
| SpeedEvil | RobbieThe1st: It really doesn't work that way. | 07:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | ...which? | 07:25 |
| SpeedEvil | RobbieThe1st: There is a complex process going on to seperate out the luminance and chrominance components | 07:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | And if it's not done right, wouldn't it be off? | 07:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes, but not to greenish for any sane implementation of the algorightm. | 07:25 |
| SpeedEvil | fcam works quite well for me even in dim light | 07:26 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hm... could that be why 'mirror' ends up with a very greenish tint on the front cam? i.e. a -non-sane- implementation? | 07:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | possibly - or miscalibration. | 07:28 |
| pupnik | afaik the r,g,b, sensors have different response curves which need correction in software | 07:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | That makes sense | 07:28 |
| SpeedEvil | The cameras go through a module that is designed to fix and correct the image | 07:29 |
| SpeedEvil | this is quite complex. | 07:29 |
| pupnik | then add to that the varying 'color temperatures' you take pictures-in and it becomes a non-trivial problem to correct | 07:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Then there is setup of the registers in the camera themselves. | 07:29 |
| Ex-Opesa | pupnik: You are right I also feel RGB sensors are messed up in n900. Some there is mostly yellow or greenish tint. | 07:30 |
| Ex-Opesa | Sometimes there is* | 07:30 |
| pupnik | i don't know anything about how it's really done | 07:31 |
| pupnik | i would think it should be done by the sensor manufacturer | 07:31 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Yeah. | 07:35 |
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| Termana | good morning | 07:48 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Good Morning Termana! | 09:11 |
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| Pradeep | wats up all | 11:00 |
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| pupnik | hi | 11:11 |
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| pupnik | "Non-recurring iPhone alarms stopped working on January 1 for devices running iOS 4.02, 4.1, and 4.2.1 | 11:12 |
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| pupnik | synergy is the best thing ever | 11:14 |
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| Dassu | Care [ ] Don't care [X] | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Yes, saw that yesterday. Priceless. | 11:17 |
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| xnixan | Hi, how can i run .ram files on maemo? | 11:18 |
| xnixan | i tried mplayer, vlc, but nothing worked for it! | 11:18 |
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| RobbieThe1st | What's a .ram file? | 11:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | I've never heard of that typwe | 11:20 |
| pupnik | real audio media | 11:22 |
| xnixan | RobbieThe1st, Realmedia files | 11:22 |
| Gh0sty | another example why n900 is better then I* http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2702635 *funny* | 11:24 |
| johnx | xnixan, is the audio actually in the file? or is the file just a 'playlist'? | 11:25 |
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| xnixan | johnx, it is in the file, and that apply also for .rm files | 11:27 |
| johnx | what does mplayer say when you try to play the file? | 11:27 |
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| RST38h | hey johnx | 11:29 |
| johnx | hey RST38h | 11:29 |
| johnx | slow news day today, here | 11:29 |
| johnx | anything happening where you are? | 11:29 |
| RST38h | Nah, just snow | 11:29 |
| RST38h | Long holidays until 11th | 11:30 |
| johnx | took some long overdue vacation time here | 11:30 |
| RST38h | isn't it a bit wrong season for vacation? | 11:30 |
| johnx | I had some "don't call them comp-time for HR reasons" days I needed to take sooner rather than later | 11:31 |
| johnx | and I have friend in town 3rd to 7th, so it seemed like a good coincidence | 11:31 |
| johnx | it'd be a good time to vacation to mexico or south america, but that's not in the cards right now ... | 11:32 |
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| johnx | actually, it'll be a fun test: I'm going to stop checking work email and see if the whole place falls down while I'm gone | 11:32 |
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| RST38h | hehe | 11:34 |
| RST38h | things are slow this time of year, so I doubt it... | 11:34 |
| trx | hi all | 11:35 |
| johnx | hallo trx | 11:35 |
| johnx | RST38h, in a lot of industries, yes. in mine, it's pretty busy right now | 11:35 |
| johnx | but things are so much better off now than they were two years ago | 11:36 |
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| johnx | so I'm hoping my boss will be able to hold down the fort for a week ... | 11:36 |
| trx | I want my app (code editor) to be able to send "pastes" to my pastebin, but there is a problem as my app will be open source, everyone can see user/pass of that mysql account, any ideas how to solve this? | 11:37 |
| johnx | is this a pastebin site that you run? or are we talking about a public pastebin site? | 11:38 |
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| trx | its mine | 11:38 |
| trx | are there public ones that offer mysql connection? | 11:39 |
| trx | i could use those then | 11:39 |
| johnx | why do you need to submit with mysql? | 11:39 |
| RST38h | ehehe | 11:39 |
| trx | how should i submit otherwise? | 11:39 |
| johnx | an http post? with the pastebinit CLI app? send some email somewhere? | 11:40 |
| trx | all can be abused :/ | 11:40 |
| johnx | yes | 11:40 |
| trx | and http is too much work :/ | 11:40 |
| johnx | they're also waaay better choices than mysql, IMNSHO | 11:41 |
| trx | i guess they are.. :/ | 11:41 |
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| johnx | errr, why is HTTP hard? | 11:43 |
| trx | there is captcha for example | 11:43 |
| trx | and i dont want to have to open a browser | 11:43 |
| johnx | so you're really dead set on using this specific pastebin software? | 11:43 |
| trx | no, i open for suggestions.. | 11:44 |
| trx | im* | 11:44 |
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| johnx | just off the top of my head: you could write up a little PHP script to sit on your web server and accept POSTs from your app and INSERT the result to the database for the pastebin. kinda hacky, but meh | 11:47 |
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| trx | yeah, i taught about doing that but it would be open to flood attack :/ | 11:49 |
| johnx | rate limit it by IP address | 11:49 |
| johnx | no matter what you do there will be possible problems. as long as you know the things that *can* go wrong and the worst case scenario, you can deal with problems as they come up | 11:50 |
| johnx | (and your mysql connection would be even more vulnerable, I would think) | 11:51 |
| trx | yep | 11:51 |
| trx | damn, such a nice feature and so many problems arround it :/ | 11:51 |
| johnx | so again, if it was me: I'd put up the a really simple PHP script do take the input, do basic validation and drop it into the DB. Then I'd write TODOs for all the potential problems I could see while writing it. then I'd deal with them as they came up | 11:52 |
| johnx | or as I had time | 11:52 |
| johnx | you could also just require people to get accounts to use the pastebin feature | 11:53 |
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| trx | hmm | 11:54 |
| trx | thats an option too | 11:54 |
| trx | .php wont accept unless user is logged in.. | 11:54 |
| lcuk | trx, common solution for webmasters using php and credentials is to store the include file outside webroot ../sql_config.php or similar | 11:55 |
| johnx | hallo lcuk :) | 11:55 |
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| lcuk | heya johnx and happy new year to you \o | 11:55 |
| trx | hi lcuk, ill have that in mind, ty | 11:56 |
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| lcuk | trx, here http://phpsec.org/projects/guide/3.html | 12:00 |
| lcuk | and the rest too ;) | 12:00 |
| trx | ty :) | 12:02 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: did you see the crazy speed difference between my pocketsnes port and the snes9x? :) | 12:21 |
| RST38h | No, but I do not find it surprising | 12:22 |
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| RST38h | snes9x (the vanilla version) is not optimized at all | 12:23 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN_wXpY0ix0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwfyOE33KJA | 12:23 |
| pupnik | i know i'm talking to someone who writes emulators... this is just as much as I can do | 12:26 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Yours has not been scaled yet | 12:35 |
| RST38h | Although I doubt it will cause that much of a performance drop if done properly | 12:35 |
| pupnik | it's doing scanline scaling in y. and i'll hopefully just pixel-double the width | 12:36 |
| pupnik | but i'm pretty confused about how it's doing it | 12:36 |
| pupnik | it's so cool with fbset i can change the bitdepth on the fly | 12:36 |
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| pupnik | i thought i'd have to rewrite it to 32bpp | 12:36 |
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| RST38h | Hmm...cannot install stuff from ovi store | 14:04 |
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| alterego | Anyone here is KDE? | 14:07 |
| kerio | i thought KDE was a desktop environment | 14:08 |
| kerio | not a person | 14:08 |
| alterego | I've just been reading that KDE 4 caused a lot of people to join the gnome camp. Just wondering why :) | 14:08 |
| alterego | I meant using :P | 14:08 |
| Venemo | because it is not really good from a usability viewpoint | 14:09 |
| Skald | i use kde 4.5 | 14:09 |
| alterego | Skald: any issues with it? | 14:10 |
| Skald | i have no complaints | 14:10 |
| Skald | i have used both gnome and kde | 14:10 |
| alterego | I'm wondering how ubuntu 11.04 is going to be with unity over gnome 3.0 shell | 14:11 |
| Skald | with ubuntu gnome was a lot better | 14:11 |
| Skald | but now since i use arch kde is smoother | 14:11 |
| Skald | smoother than in kubuntu i mean | 14:11 |
| alterego | Yeah, makes sense | 14:11 |
| alterego | In a way ;) | 14:11 |
| Skald | yea | 14:12 |
| Skald | and i like the customization etc | 14:12 |
| Venemo | good news: Gnome panel will be ported to Gnome 3 | 14:12 |
| Skald | and imo kwin is really functional opposed to compiz having many cool effects | 14:12 |
| Venemo | I simply dislike the Gnome shell, because it is unusable... | 14:12 |
| alterego | I used to like that, but recently, I've just left ubuntu 10.10 as it's default. | 14:12 |
| alterego | I can't be bothered changing much, except a few keybindings :) | 14:13 |
| Skald | then i believe gnome is the right choice | 14:13 |
| Skald | works like a charm | 14:13 |
| RST38h | Gnome is fine | 14:13 |
| Venemo | what I like in Gnome is that it is dead easy to use and find anything in it | 14:14 |
| RST38h | Have not checked KDE in a while, probably also ok | 14:14 |
| alterego | Well, I'm not talking about ditching it yet ;) I was just wondering why so many people had issues with KDE 4 over previous releases. | 14:14 |
| Skald | when i used kubuntu the problem was that it was so cluttered | 14:14 |
| Skald | in arch that wasn't a problem | 14:14 |
| RST38h | gnome definitely isn't cluttered | 14:14 |
| RST38h | very minimal | 14:14 |
| Skald | almost "minimal" D: | 14:15 |
| Skald | i mean kde in arch was almost minimal | 14:15 |
| kerio | i installed ubuntu 10.10 netbook on a friend's netbook | 14:16 |
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| kerio | the default interface was so sluggish it looked like hildon | 14:16 |
| kerio | hell, it was slower | 14:16 |
| alterego | Well, try to compile any of these desktops from source and the word minimal is quickly replaced with "wtf?!?" : | 14:16 |
| Venemo | how come? | 14:17 |
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| kerio | Venemo: they screwed up bigtime | 14:17 |
| kerio | i set it to standard gnome, it works better | 14:17 |
| kerio | i just set both panels to autohide | 14:17 |
| kerio | and i also enabled compiz | 14:17 |
| alterego | kerio: yeah, I don't bother with the the netbook remix, my gf is running ubuntu 10.04 desktop on hers (my) Dell Mini | 14:17 |
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| kerio | and it was faster than the netbook interface | 14:17 |
| alterego | kerio: ditto | 14:17 |
| kerio | also i didn't know that but that Atom is actually a dual-core 800mhz cpu | 14:18 |
| alterego | Though I only hide bottom ba.. | 14:18 |
| alterego | kerio: not dual core, it's hyper threading | 14:18 |
| kerio | same thing :) | 14:18 |
| alterego | Not really :P | 14:18 |
| kerio | well, it's worse | 14:18 |
| * trumee has been a kde user for the past 8 years | 14:18 | |
| * trumee and always disliked Gnome | 14:19 | |
| kerio | i was a kde user, then i was a gnome user, then i moved to a homebrewed xfce+rox-desktop interface | 14:19 |
| kerio | now i use os x | 14:19 |
| kerio | rox-desktop rocks | 14:19 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:19 |
| Venemo | os x? yuch | 14:19 |
| alterego | Wasn't that the risc os X clone? | 14:20 |
| trumee | rox-desktop, is it gtk derived? | 14:20 |
| kerio | trumee: yeah | 14:20 |
| trumee | crap. | 14:20 |
| kerio | well, i didn't use rox-desktop, i used rox-filer and a couple more things | 14:20 |
| kerio | wait, no, i used the whole rox-destkop | 14:20 |
| kerio | *desktop | 14:20 |
| kerio | including a clock widget for the taskbar that *i* made | 14:20 |
| kerio | because there was none | 14:20 |
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| trumee | i somehow find gtk ugly compared to cute. | 14:21 |
| kerio | trumee: i see what you did there :P | 14:21 |
| trumee | so dont like xfce as well | 14:22 |
| trumee | but as a light window manager it is good | 14:23 |
| alterego | Well that's just rubbish :P | 14:24 |
| alterego | Gtk and Qt look the same to me, (except programming with them) | 14:24 |
| alterego | Same basic widgets same colours .. | 14:24 |
| Venemo | Gtk programming is only ugly if you do it with C | 14:24 |
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| alterego | Meh | 14:24 |
| alterego | Nothing wrong with C :P | 14:25 |
| Venemo | in C++ (Gtkmm) it is more like Qt | 14:25 |
| alterego | Yeah, never used it | 14:25 |
| Venemo | plus there is Vala for the people who like to use an easy language | 14:25 |
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| kerio | Venemo: yeah but then you'd have to use C++ | 14:25 |
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| Venemo | kerio: so what then? | 14:25 |
| kerio | nothing, nothing | 14:26 |
| kerio | it's just that i wouldn't force that on my worse enemy | 14:26 |
| kerio | *worst | 14:26 |
| Venemo | kerio: sorry for my being harsh, just becase you are incompetent to use C++ it doesn't mean that it is not a great language | 14:26 |
| Venemo | nah | 14:27 |
| * Venemo is off to eat something | 14:27 | |
| alterego | "PHP: The Good Parts" - That should be a small book :S | 14:28 |
| * alterego contemplates setting up his blog again ... | 14:29 | |
| alterego | Also need to stick Columbus into gitorious at some point .. | 14:31 |
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| alterego | I guess tracker uses inotify, I wonder why it sucks sokbad. | 14:38 |
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| shadeslayer | hi when i try to install the maemo SDK i get this http://paste.kde.org/1670/ | 14:55 |
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| shadeslayer | the last part is http://paste.kde.org/1671 | 14:56 |
| alterego | What distro are you using? | 14:58 |
| alterego | Looks like it's the vdso issue | 15:00 |
| Jaffa | af'noon, all | 15:00 |
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| alterego | shadeslayer: Are you running 32 or 64bit? | 15:00 |
| alterego | shadeslayer, Regardless: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#VDSO_support | 15:01 |
| alterego | ;) | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | 64bit | 15:01 |
| alterego | Hey Jaffa :) | 15:01 |
| alterego | Jaffa did you have a good New Year? | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | 64bit Kubuntu | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | 11.04 that is | 15:01 |
| alterego | Okay, well follow the x86-64 kernel notes then | 15:02 |
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| alterego | I usually do the last bit where you stick those three lines in /etc/sysctl.conf, you don't have to worry about it then. | 15:03 |
| alterego | I also installed scratchbox manually and it added that stuff. | 15:03 |
| alterego | (Which is probably why I didn't suffer this issue on Ubuntu 10.10) | 15:03 |
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| shadeslayer | alterego: do i have to restart the install now? | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | and download everything again | 15:06 |
| alterego | Yes | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | :( | 15:06 |
| alterego | Thoguh hopefully it wont have to download everything again ;) | 15:06 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Hoping so ;-) | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | it does .. | 15:06 |
| alterego | It should have cached ;) | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | it is cached | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | i can see it | 15:06 |
| alterego | ;) | 15:06 |
| alterego | Jaffa: good good :) | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | but last time i restarted it, it downloaded everything agagin | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | *again | 15:07 |
| alterego | Lets hope it's a good year for mobile Linux | 15:07 |
| alterego | shadeslayer: this is why I do it manually. | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | alterego: and the manual way is given on the same page? | 15:08 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | the thing i don't like with *buntu is that it tends to selfdestruct every ½ year (the dist-upgrade) | 15:08 |
| alterego | shadeslayer: nope | 15:08 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | never had any luck at all with it | 15:08 |
| alterego | FredrIQ|n900: I always do fresh installs. | 15:08 |
| alterego | Don't trust dist upgrades. | 15:09 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | Yeah, i've experienced that... :p | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | alterego: what about http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation | 15:09 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | failed 2 of 2 times - forced to reinstall | 15:09 |
| * FredrIQ|n900 will probably go over to a rolling-release distro like Archlinux | 15:10 | |
| BCMM | i prefer rolling-release | 15:10 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | lol hivemind | 15:10 |
| alterego | I just like doing clean installs anyway, forces me to do a biyearly home mop up | 15:14 |
| alterego | I'm a perfectionist and I know I'll never get a computer setup that will be perfect. | 15:14 |
| alterego | So the occasional nuking keeps my neurotic tendencies at bay ;) | 15:14 |
| alterego | shadeslayer: looks right yeah. | 15:14 |
| alterego | shadeslayer: you have the benifit of being able to save all the stuff you download too. So you can archive it and not have to do it again ^.^ | 15:15 |
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| shadeslayer | alterego: lawl :D | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | well | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | theres a cache file ill need to edit | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | or i could just install them debs :P | 15:15 |
| alterego | If you can find the files the previous installed, you should be okay. | 15:15 |
| alterego | shadeslayer: well, scratchbox is already installed. | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | oh kewp | 15:15 |
| alterego | You need to setup your targets is all. | 15:16 |
| shadeslayer | *kewl | 15:16 |
| alterego | Try from /scratchbox/login | 15:18 |
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| alterego | Then run: sb-conf ls -T | 15:19 |
| alterego | That'll tell you if there are any targets (which there shouldn't be, because you're install failed here) | 15:19 |
| alterego | s/you're/your/ | 15:20 |
| apt | alterego meant: That'll tell you if there are any targets (which there shouldn't be, because your install failed here) | 15:20 |
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| Jaffa | Is garage.maemo.org FUBAR? | 15:25 |
| Termana | ja | 15:27 |
| Jaffa | FFS | 15:27 |
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| alterego | "ColumbusDialogWaypointsItemMenu" freakin' hell. | 15:38 |
| alterego | I think I might have to do some namespacing/refactoring of some kind. | 15:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | ooh | 15:50 |
| alterego | Aloha timeless_mbp | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | people are talking about upgrading maemo sdk's | 15:50 |
| * timeless_mbp did that last week | 15:50 | |
| alterego | upgrading? | 15:50 |
| alterego | To what? | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | snapshots: intrepid-eol; karmic-eol; lucid; lucid-vbox4ga | 15:51 |
| timeless_mbp | LTS :) | 15:51 |
| alterego | Oooo | 15:51 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if JeOS still works | 15:51 | |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | Hrm, is there any httpd for N900 at all? | 15:58 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | with PHP support | 15:58 |
| BCMM | there is lighttpd, dunno if it's built with php | 16:01 |
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| BCMM | is there even php for hte n900? | 16:01 |
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| trx | search php5 in repos | 16:01 |
| trx | there are some afaik | 16:02 |
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| BCMM | FredrIQ|n900: http://redmine.lighttpd.net/wiki/1/TutorialLighttpdAndPHP | 16:02 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | there is php5 yes | 16:03 |
| BCMM | actually, i'm sure there are better docs than that about | 16:03 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | PHP4... apache 1.3... | 16:06 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | seems outdated | 16:07 |
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| alterego | Okay, waypoints now almost finished, hrm, probably a good time for a 0.9.2 release then. | 16:13 |
| alterego | And on to doing routing. | 16:13 |
| timeless_mbp | heh, i last used jeos on Mar 1 :) | 16:14 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | Yay :p | 16:16 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | "500 - Internal Server Error" | 16:16 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | At least it started | 16:16 |
| * FredrIQ|n900 has to look what that makes that happen | 16:16 | |
| alterego | What are you doing btw? | 16:20 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | Trying to setup a PHP dev environment | 16:21 |
| alterego | You just want to be able to do mobile web dev? | 16:21 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | yes | 16:21 |
| alterego | For anything in particular? Or just general pissing around? | 16:21 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | ofc i'm not going to use a SERVER on a device like this :P | 16:21 |
| alterego | Sure, I know. | 16:22 |
| alterego | Just wondering if you had a project idea in particular. | 16:22 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | ah, yes, i have | 16:22 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | and i'm working on it at my computer | 16:22 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | Just want to be able to play with it on my phone as well | 16:22 |
| alterego | Because a while ago I started working on a Python based web server for the N900, that allowed you to view your contacts, messages, photos etc. | 16:23 |
| alterego | Was wondering if you were doing something similar. | 16:23 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | Ah, not like that | 16:23 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | Hrm, is there any way to get more info than just a 500? Enabled error logging, but it didn't even write the file | 16:26 |
| lardman | Anyone else having troubles with Garage? | 16:27 |
| alterego | lardman: yeah, no connect for me. | 16:27 |
| lardman | alterego: cheers | 16:27 |
| alterego | Just request time out | 16:27 |
| lardman | yeah same here on the extras assistant | 16:28 |
| alterego | Upload via scp? | 16:28 |
| lardman | I suppose I could try, will have a look for the instructions | 16:28 |
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| Cegy | hi, can someone please help me fine the default/stock zimage for pr1.3 ? | 16:31 |
| lardman | hmm, not going to work as I can't upload my RSA SSH, ah well | 16:31 |
| lardman | Cegy: download the FIASCO image and extract the components using flasher-3.5 | 16:32 |
| Cegy | how would 1 extract the components ? | 16:32 |
| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 | 16:32 |
| alterego | Cegy: have you got flasher installed? | 16:32 |
| Cegy | yep | 16:32 |
| lardman | --unpack | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | grr | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here speak Dutch? | 16:33 |
| alterego | Cegy: basically, flasher-3.5 -u -f /path/to/PR1.3_FIASCO_IMAGE | 16:33 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: why? :) | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: someone wrote something into a dutch thingy and signed w/ my email address | 16:33 |
| alterego | O_o | 16:33 |
| alterego | What does it say? | 16:34 |
| lardman | timeless_mbp: Google? | 16:34 |
| timeless_mbp | http://terras.write2me.nl/ | 16:34 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if it's a drug spammer | 16:34 | |
| alterego | T | 16:35 |
| alterego | The only one I see from you is the top one in English .. | 16:35 |
| Spookje | which post? /me is dutch.. | 16:35 |
| Cegy | nothing | 16:35 |
| Cegy | :/ | 16:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: i didn't post it! | 16:35 |
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| Cegy | might be better if i told you the problem | 16:35 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: oh, well, it's in English? :P | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | Spookje: the one that claims to be from timeless .... | 16:36 |
| alterego | Cegy: you just want to flash the kernel right? | 16:36 |
| lardman | looks English to me too | 16:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | lardman: well... the <whatever> host isn't English | 16:36 |
| Spookje | yes, i see... the page is from a belgian motorclub... | 16:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | i think it was spammed by someone who filled in my email address | 16:37 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: maybe a guy typo'd his e-mail address... | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | it'd be nice if someone told this club or write2me to validate email addresses | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and protect against spammers | 16:37 |
| Cegy | i was following the guide to install gingerbread and when i reboot the multimenu is blank, if i press 0 it won't load maemo up so i want to get the phone working again without having to reflash the whole phone | 16:37 |
| Spookje | no, the link is to a drugs spampage... | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: what Spookje said | 16:37 |
| alterego | Cegy: right, so you want to reflash, just the kernel :P | 16:37 |
| Cegy | yes but noi luck :P | 16:38 |
| Cegy | i used | 16:38 |
| Cegy | C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R | 16:38 |
| lardman | that should work | 16:38 |
| alterego | bootmenu wipes initfs right? | 16:39 |
| lardman | what were the steps to get Gingerbread working? | 16:39 |
| lardman | my N900 tells me I have no initfs when I boot in R&D mode | 16:39 |
| Cegy | 1sec | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | Spookje: right, so, would you be willing to inform write2me or the autoclub that they should do something to block spammers? | 16:40 |
| Spookje | I could give it a try, but this looks to me like some shitty standard guestbook for people that do not know how to create webapplications.... | 16:41 |
| Spookje | so i doubt if they have any clue as to how to do that :P | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Spookje: if it's write2me, perhaps they could learn | 16:42 |
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| Cegy | so i flashed the kernel with the cmd as i just said the only thing it does is loads up the multimenu still once i press 0 for maemo i get nothing only http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1972/02012011019.jpg | 16:43 |
| Spookje | i'll send them a quick e-mail.. | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 16:44 |
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| Spookje | lol, they don't even have a contact e-mail listed on their site.. | 16:44 |
| lardman | reflash pre-init perhaps? | 16:45 |
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| Cegy | and what would that do as such ? | 16:45 |
| lardman | but don't quote me, just going from the error a chap saw here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58769 | 16:45 |
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| lardman | I'd grab that tarball and see what the script does | 16:46 |
| Cegy | so u fully understand the phone will not boot so its dead | 16:46 |
| lardman | You have a PC presumably as you are talking to us on IRC..... | 16:47 |
| Cegy | correct | 16:47 |
| lardman | so, grab the tarball, extract it, see what it does, reflash relevant component | 16:47 |
| lardman | You should also think carefully about whether you had the power-kernel installed, as then your kernel modules won't match so you'll need to flash that instead of the vanilla one | 16:48 |
| Cegy | ahh | 16:48 |
| lardman | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=905785#post905785 | 16:49 |
| lardman | might be of use | 16:49 |
| lardman | MohammadAG gives a kernel command line to use | 16:49 |
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| Cegy | from wat i know it had the power kernel on (this phone isn't mine) | 16:49 |
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| lardman | in which case you'll need to grab the deb for that, extract the zImage and flash that instead | 16:50 |
| lardman | but I'd at least try the kernel cmd line and see if it does anything | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | Spookje: http://www.write2me.nl/helpdesk.php ? :( | 16:50 |
| Spookje | oh well, i always write to webmaster :P | 16:51 |
| * lardman seems to remember the Maemo.org related websites going down last Christmas too | 16:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | you'd know best. and thanks :) | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | lardman: holiday tradition! | 16:51 |
| lardman | timeless_mbp: indeed :) | 16:51 |
| alterego | lardman: yeah, I remember that also. | 16:51 |
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| alterego | Maybe it's just because this time of year there's no one there to fix things so we notice outages as they last a lot longer ;) | 16:52 |
| lardman | difficult that the holidays are when the staff aren't around to kick boxes, but the hobby devs are trying to do stuff | 16:52 |
| piggz | hi, any experience with qtoolbuttons in a toolbar on maemo cutting off text regardless of its length (happens with long and short strings)? I also find the sizing of icons odd as, if there is no text, a large icon is drawn, and with text, a small icon. | 16:52 |
| Cegy | tryed that and no luck | 16:53 |
| lardman | init=/sbin/preinit_orig | 16:54 |
| lardman | sounds like that assumes the preinit has been backed up | 16:54 |
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| lardman | well I'd try flashing the power-kernel, then try flashing the preinit if that doesn't work | 16:55 |
| Cegy | just ntoiced there is a zimage for pr1.3 may i should of tryed that first | 16:55 |
| lardman | no guarantee though | 16:55 |
| lardman | Cegy: I thought you had the FIASCO image for pr1.3 which you'd unpacked? | 16:56 |
| Cegy | would any power kernel work | 16:56 |
| Cegy | i couldn't unpack it with the cmd you toldme :( | 16:56 |
| lardman | hmm | 16:56 |
| lardman | in which case you didn't have a FIASCO image] | 16:56 |
| lardman | where did you download it from? | 16:56 |
| Cegy | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 16:56 |
| lardman | hmm, should be fine | 16:57 |
| lardman | what was the error? | 16:57 |
| lardman | perhaps the download was corrupted? | 16:57 |
| Cegy | more like what wasn't the error as it didn't know nor did it understand the cmd | 16:57 |
| lardman | what does just running "flasher-3.5" do? | 16:58 |
| lardman | no path necessary as it should be in /usr/bin afair | 16:58 |
| Cegy | so you know am using windows not linux | 16:59 |
| lardman | oh | 16:59 |
| Cegy | that cmd would give me the help | 16:59 |
| lardman | well the switches may be different for Windows | 17:00 |
| lardman | backslash rather than dash for example, I don't know | 17:01 |
| Cegy | -u, --unpack[=ARG] Unpack a FIASCO image | 17:01 |
| lardman | try /u | 17:01 |
| lardman | more windows-like afair | 17:01 |
| Cegy | that doesn't work anyway i think i'll look for a power kernel and see what happens | 17:02 |
| lardman | Looking at the help for flasher-3.5, I can't see what flashes the preinit | 17:02 |
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| lardman | if it's part of the rootfs, you're probably in trouble, anyone know | 17:02 |
| lardman | anyway good luck, let us know how you get on, /me heads off to do some coding in front of the TV | 17:03 |
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| Cegy | ok thanks for the help | 17:03 |
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| * alterego looks at the rest of his todo list | 17:06 | |
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| alterego | Should maybe attempt to make landscape/portrait transitions nicer .. | 17:08 |
| alterego | But that is sort of out of my control unfortunately .. | 17:08 |
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| huee | hi | 17:10 |
| huee | is there any app that i can use as timetable on OS2008? | 17:10 |
| Cegy | alterego do you know if its possible to backup your files when your phone is acting dead (won't boot into maemo) | 17:10 |
| alterego | Hrm, | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Cegy: what's it doing? | 17:11 |
| alterego | Does it boot into anything? | 17:11 |
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| alterego | You can run a backup by booting meego from a microsd card and backup in meego | 17:11 |
| Cegy | the best i got it to do is to boot into debian but it need a user/pass | 17:11 |
| alterego | What? | 17:12 |
| alterego | You got your N900 to boot into debian? | 17:12 |
| Cegy | yeah with the meego zmimage | 17:13 |
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| Cegy | as i said this isn't my phone so i don't know what is or isn't on it lol | 17:13 |
| alterego | You're completely confusing things now. | 17:13 |
| alterego | What has MeeGo got to do with Debian? | 17:14 |
| Cegy | i don't know, am only telling you what its doing lol | 17:14 |
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| alterego | Well, clearly you're not. | 17:15 |
| FIQ|n900 | )j #php | 17:15 |
| Cegy | lol | 17:15 |
| FIQ|n900 | ehm | 17:15 |
| Cegy | only thing it does is loads up the multimenu still once i press 0 for maemo i get nothing only http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1972/02012011019.jpg | 17:15 |
| alterego | MeeGo doesn't ask for a user/pass | 17:15 |
| Cegy | thats all it does at the moment | 17:15 |
| alterego | So you're doing something else. | 17:15 |
| alterego | Sure, I know what your problem is I have been listening :P | 17:16 |
| Cegy | each time i try a diffrent zmimage am back to same old problem | 17:16 |
| Cegy | :P | 17:16 |
| alterego | Did you manage to unpack the fiasco image? | 17:17 |
| Cegy | no | 17:17 |
| alterego | Okay, well, run: flasher-3.5 -F C:\\Path\To\RX-51*.bin -u | 17:18 |
| Cegy | what i do know is that its pr 1.3 and it did have power kernel on it | 17:18 |
| alterego | That will unpack the contents of the fiasco image into your current directory. | 17:18 |
| alterego | If that command is successfull you should see a load of "Unpacking blah to file 'blah'" | 17:19 |
| Cegy | i get kernel: %m | 17:19 |
| alterego | What? | 17:20 |
| alterego | Did you just do what I said? | 17:20 |
| Cegy | yep | 17:20 |
| Cegy | C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F kernel RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36 | 17:20 |
| Cegy | -2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u | 17:20 |
| Cegy | flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) | 17:20 |
| Cegy | kernel: %m | 17:20 |
| alterego | Okay, and did it say "Unpacking blah image to file 'blah'" | 17:20 |
| alterego | That is all it said? | 17:21 |
| Cegy | yep | 17:21 |
| alterego | and there is nothing in your current directory? | 17:21 |
| Cegy | sure there is the fiasco image is | 17:22 |
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| alterego | Okay, so again, you didn't do what I said. | 17:23 |
| Aranel | what is xMasDroid? is it some N900-related flavour of original Gingerbread? Should I install it instead of Gingerbread itself? | 17:23 |
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| alterego | Cegy: No, do what I said. | 17:23 |
| alterego | s/No/Now | 17:23 |
| alterego | And come back to me when you've done what I said. | 17:23 |
| alterego | Hint: Don't try to be clever. | 17:24 |
| Cegy | ok | 17:24 |
| Cegy | same | 17:25 |
| alterego | What did you just type | 17:25 |
| Cegy | C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher | 17:25 |
| Cegy | -3.5 kernel RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u | 17:25 |
| Cegy | flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) | 17:25 |
| Cegy | C:\Program: %m | 17:25 |
| alterego | -_- | 17:25 |
| alterego | You didn't do what I said, AGAIN | 17:25 |
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| alterego | When did I tell you to add "kernel" to the command line? | 17:26 |
| alterego | Did you even read the help?! | 17:26 |
| Cegy | oh yea | 17:26 |
| Cegy | lol | 17:26 |
| Cegy | C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher | 17:26 |
| Cegy | -3.5 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u | 17:26 |
| Cegy | flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) | 17:26 |
| Cegy | C:\Program: %m | 17:26 |
| Cegy | same | 17:26 |
| Cegy | the location of the image is inside the flasher folder | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | -F C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5 :-D | 17:27 |
| alterego | Which is your current directory right? | 17:27 |
| alterego | Just do: flasher-3.5 "-F RX-51_2009SE_20_2010.36*.bin" -u | 17:27 |
| alterego | Sorry, Just do: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20_2010.36*.bin -u | 17:27 |
| * alterego sighs | 17:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | does dosbox know to globber | 17:28 |
| alterego | dosbox? | 17:28 |
| Cegy | u make a same misstake BUT it works now | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | cmd | 17:28 |
| alterego | Yeah, has done for ages. | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | wgarever that shit in win is called | 17:28 |
| alterego | Cegy: what are you talking about? | 17:29 |
| alterego | Cegy: if it worked, I didn't make a mistake. | 17:29 |
| alterego | You're the one typing this shit in, the mistake is yours .. | 17:29 |
| Cegy | u said flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20_2010.36*.bin -u when it should of bern flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36*.bin -u | 17:29 |
| alterego | If you actually were listening you would have done it the first time .. | 17:29 |
| alterego | What? | 17:29 |
| alterego | You've just pasted to identical commands .. | 17:30 |
| Cegy | look after 20 | 17:30 |
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| Cegy | 20_ | 17:30 |
| Cegy | vs 20. | 17:30 |
| alterego | Oh, I got the filename wrong .. sorry .. | 17:30 |
| Cegy | hehe | 17:30 |
| alterego | I would have thought that would have been a bit of common sense. | 17:30 |
| alterego | Considering I'm going from memory here .. | 17:30 |
| Cegy | i got the zimage and it was the same 1 as i already tryed before | 17:30 |
| alterego | Cegy: what are you using to verify they are the same image? | 17:31 |
| Cegy | hashtab | 17:31 |
| alterego | Cegy: and where did you get the first one? | 17:31 |
| Cegy | the crc32/md5 and sha265 r the same | 17:31 |
| alterego | Okay | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Cegy: if you were smart you'd have used tab-completion on filename | 17:31 |
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| Cegy | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=906353&postcount=10 | 17:32 |
| alterego | Now do: flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l -b | 17:32 |
| alterego | MAke sure the N900 is not connected | 17:32 |
| alterego | And it is turned offf. | 17:32 |
| alterego | Once you've started that command, plug the N900 in via USB and tell me what happens. | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssssssssssssssssss | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 17:33 |
| alterego | "tick, tick, tick, bOOM!" :) | 17:33 |
| Cegy | bang | 17:33 |
| Cegy | :P | 17:33 |
| Cegy | it sent the zimage but once it was done the blacklight was turned of then the nokia logo faded away and it looks like it crashed | 17:34 |
| alterego | Hrm | 17:34 |
| alterego | Okay, | 17:34 |
| alterego | Possibly because it couldn't find the kernel modules. | 17:35 |
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| alterego | (because you were using the power kernel) | 17:35 |
| Cegy | ahh is there any way for me to fix this ? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego-rescue-initrd | 17:35 |
| alterego | Sure, there's always a way to fix it. | 17:35 |
| alterego | The problem is, you don't know what you're doing ;) | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 17:35 |
| apt | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:35 |
| alterego | What you need to do is flash the power kernel | 17:36 |
| alterego | (Is suspect) | 17:36 |
| Cegy | i might not know what am doing but this nice guy iss helping me :P | 17:36 |
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| * alterego wonders what version of kernel power you were using ;) | 17:38 | |
| alterego | Download this: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo42_armel.deb | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: iff the modules need PK the use a PK fiasco and extract zimage there | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 17:38 |
| alterego | There's a PK fiasco? :D | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeayea | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 17:39 |
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| alterego | Cegy: download that link I just posted. | 17:39 |
| Cegy | ok i extract zImage-2.6.28-maemo42.fiasco | 17:39 |
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| alterego | Oh, it is a fiasco? | 17:40 |
| Cegy | yeah thats from inside of the boot folder | 17:40 |
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| alterego | Interesting. | 17:40 |
| alterego | Cool, | 17:40 |
| alterego | Hang on. | 17:40 |
| Cegy | ok | 17:41 |
| alterego | Okay, now do: flasher-3.5 -F boot/zImage-2.6.28-maemo42.fiasco -f -b | 17:41 |
| alterego | (Obviously adjusting the path appropriately) | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (using tab key to expand/complete) | 17:42 |
| alterego | Same as before, make sure the N900 is off when you connect it to the USB cable (after you've started flasher) | 17:42 |
| Cegy | no luck with that seems to be doing the same again (no backlight and then turns off) | 17:44 |
| alterego | Well, I have two more major things to do, add Trip/Routing functionality and add tracklog history loading. | 17:44 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders why Cegy doesn't simply do a full COMBINED flashing | 17:45 | |
| alterego | Cegy: So you start the flasher program, you then plug in the N900 (which is turned off) and it turns on then crashes? | 17:45 |
| alterego | Is that what you're saying? | 17:45 |
| Cegy | correct | 17:45 |
| alterego | Hrm .. | 17:45 |
| alterego | I think you're going to have to flash the rootfs | 17:45 |
| alterego | You'll loose installed applications but user data will still be intact. | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka COMBINED | 17:46 |
| alterego | (contacts, photos etc) | 17:46 |
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| Cegy | if thats the case i'll leave it untill the guy comes back and see what he wants to do with it | 17:47 |
| alterego | Okay | 17:47 |
| alterego | Otherwise, maybe ask on the nitdroid forums for any pointers on how to fix your booting issue. | 17:47 |
| kerio | (int*)0xdeadbeef | 17:48 |
| alterego | :) | 17:48 |
| alterego | I've seen that a few times kerio ;) | 17:48 |
| Cegy | ok thanks for the help :) | 17:48 |
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| alterego | Cegy: sorry we couldn't sort it, if it's something a bit more complicated it's just a real pain to debug via proxy ;) | 17:49 |
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| kerio | if i ever designed a kernel on 0xdeadbeef you could always find "deadbeef\0" | 17:49 |
| Cegy | np :) | 17:49 |
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| Venemo | good afternoon MohammadAG | 17:52 |
| alterego | Hey Venemo | 17:52 |
| Venemo | hey alterego :) | 17:52 |
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| Venemo | what's up? | 17:54 |
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| alterego | Same old junk really. | 17:55 |
| Venemo | :P | 17:56 |
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| BluesLee | MohammadAG: ping | 18:33 |
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| BluesLee | i have some questions concerning scratchbox + kernel-power | 18:38 |
| BluesLee | within scratchbox i did "apt-get source kernel-power" | 18:39 |
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| BluesLee | do i really need the kernel-power-headers package? | 18:39 |
| BluesLee | all headers seem to be included in the kernel-power sources | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I would suspect kernel-powrer-headers is simply to build stuff that requires hte ernel headers that are also supplied witht he kenrel | 18:40 |
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| BluesLee | i moved the headers directory away just to see that they are not used and the compilation works anyway | 18:41 |
| BluesLee | unfortunately the compiled modules cannot be inserted on the n900 "invalid module format" | 18:42 |
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| BluesLee | SpeedEvil: i am pretty sure that i have a kind of mismatch | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | are you running kernel-power kernel? | 18:43 |
| BluesLee | yes | 18:43 |
| BluesLee | uname -r gives me the version 46 | 18:43 |
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| BluesLee | and apt-cache policy kernel-power resp kernel-power-headers looks okay | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | unsure | 18:45 |
| BluesLee | it must be something stupid | 18:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How the hell does anybody use Windows 7 on a daily basis. . . . | 18:50 |
| Venemo | GeneralAntilles: why? | 18:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Venemo: trying to print to a networked printer is apparently impossible. | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | VZAcess shit, VPN shit, etc. | 18:53 |
| Venemo | eh. | 18:53 |
| LjL | does Android work well on the N810? | 18:56 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:56 |
| alterego | Does Android run well? | 18:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: hey | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp: howdy | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, oh yeah, getting printing working at work was "exciting" | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | we ended up using OS X and Linux | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | much easier than windows :( | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | but no, network printing does work on windows | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | it's more about poorly designed printer trees | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | (random inconsistent naming conventions) | 19:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | err, there's a galaxy tab commercial on BBCWN | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's incredible to me that WPA2 still causes problems in Windows 7. | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it does? | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, | 19:14 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 19:14 | |
| timeless_mbp | i have w7 in my vm, and there's a wpa2 network @work | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | but i generally don't bridge the adapter... | 19:14 |
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| jacekowski | well, i have OCE plotter at work | 19:18 |
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| jacekowski | get that working on linux or osx | 19:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://global.oce.com/products/plotwave300/downloads.aspx | 19:20 |
| timeless_mbp | http://global.oce.com/download.aspx?id=7BB2F14C-F13D-472A-92B4-6F1D3C23C050 | 19:20 |
| timeless_mbp | that's an OS X postscript driver | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 19:21 |
| timeless_mbp | so it looks like the answer is "it's possible for OS X", but forget Linux :) | 19:21 |
| * RST38h yawns | 19:21 | |
| jacekowski | well, i was more interested in linux | 19:22 |
| jacekowski | and on different plotter | 19:23 |
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| Echo_ | I might have fucked something up with my SD card | 19:25 |
| Echo_ | I'm unable to mount it | 19:25 |
| Echo_ | I also tried mounting it through USB but that failed too | 19:25 |
| jacekowski | have you tried turning it off and on again? | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: which plotter? :) | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | you didn't specify | 19:26 |
| jacekowski | 9400 | 19:26 |
| jacekowski | and linux | 19:27 |
| jacekowski | no drivers for it | 19:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://global.oce.com/products/9400/downloads.aspx | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | http://global.oce.com/download.aspx?id=74478F83-C471-40BD-ABFA-C28154FD25F0 | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | OS X drivers available | 19:27 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 19:27 |
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| Echo_ | yes jacekowski | 19:27 |
| jacekowski | not very usefull on linux | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | clearly you need a better os :) | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. one that virtualizes pritner drivers | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | s/tn/nt/ | 19:28 |
| apt | timeless_mbp meant: e.g. one that virtualizes printer drivers | 19:28 |
| Echo_ | I used to be able to mount /and on my N900 | 19:28 |
| jacekowski | Echo_: it's probably Neutrino overload on the nameserver | 19:29 |
| Echo_ | wat | 19:29 |
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| jacekowski | don't worry you can fix it | 19:29 |
| Echo_ | how? :) | 19:29 |
| jacekowski | as we know neutrinos stop in heavy water | 19:30 |
| jacekowski | so get some | 19:30 |
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| Echo_ | ok | 19:30 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I think you mean neutrons. | 19:30 |
| jacekowski | no | 19:30 |
| jacekowski | i meant neutrinos | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | The half-distance for neutrinos in water is around a thousand light-years. | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Admittedly, some do stop. | 19:30 |
| jacekowski | i said heavy water | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | in heavy water too. | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Neutrinos do not interact much with normal matter. Neutrons do. | 19:31 |
| jacekowski | well then it's maybe because The kernel license has expired | 19:31 |
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| Venemo | jacekowski: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino | 19:33 |
| jacekowski | doesn't matter it's probably kernel license not neutrino | 19:34 |
| Echo_ | oh wow what a bs situation | 19:36 |
| RST38h | "Online Impersonations Now Illegal In California" | 19:36 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: yes | 19:36 |
| Echo_ | because the back of my N900 was out and the camera got turned on | 19:36 |
| Echo_ | because of that the SD card was blocked | 19:36 |
| * RST38h won't be impersonating Arney any more | 19:37 | |
| RST38h | Pity... | 19:37 |
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| chem|st | dirty 2011! | 20:22 |
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| infobot | Cahnops, please /kick me. My alter ego infobot resurrected | 20:22 |
| apt | Cahnops, please /kick me. My alter ego infobot resurrected | 20:22 |
| Venemo | hi infobot :) | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 20:23 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:23 |
| Venemo | hey DocScrutinizer | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi | 20:23 |
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| alterego | And I'm back in the room. | 20:27 |
| chem|st | does anyone know a music distribution website? | 20:29 |
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| chem|st | easy-to-use, and maybe a credit system | 20:30 |
| alterego | itunes? | 20:31 |
| * alterego chuckles | 20:31 | |
| alterego | Doesn't ovi have a music thingy? | 20:31 |
| chem|st | alterego: easy-to-use! | 20:32 |
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| jhb1 | Just came across the bugfix by tomast of the hildon-desktop cpu issue. I am really delighted to see the community around the system. :-D | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 21:00 |
| alterego | It is cool :) | 21:00 |
| alterego | We've always had a kick ass community though ;) | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | s/kick ass/ass-kicked/ | 21:01 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:01 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 21:04 |
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| pupnik | jhb1: what issue is that - a pr 1.3 battery-eater bug? | 21:08 |
| jhb1 | SpeedEvil: :-) | 21:11 |
| jhb1 | pupnik: yes - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54462&page=12 | 21:12 |
| pupnik | nice | 21:14 |
| pupnik | a good reason for going with a foss-oriented device | 21:15 |
| jhb1 | I guess one of the things I am interested in is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66985 | 21:15 |
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| jhb1 | would like to see if I can help with the ovi maps - there must be a way for voice navigation :-) | 21:16 |
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| Jaffa | jhb1: The Community SSU should be released "shortly" | 21:20 |
| jhb1 | Jaffa: may I ask - whats a SSU? | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: BTW, would my email be better as a patch to community-ssu-enabler.tar.gz? | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | ~ssu | 21:20 |
| infobot | ssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 21:20 |
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| jhb1 | ah, I see | 21:21 |
| jhb1 | Jaffa: was that about the hildon-desktop or the maps? | 21:21 |
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| Jaffa | jhb1: Anything which is OSS with fixes. i.e. hildon-desktop | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, no worries, I'll look at it soon, it's just that exams sorta kicked in | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, the enabler is on gitorious if you prefer to send a patch there :) | 21:22 |
| jhb1 | Jaffa: thanks for the info - how would one get informed of the community ssu? | 21:24 |
| jhb1 | via the normal system (e.g. is having extras* enough)? | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | jhb1, you'll need to enable the repository | 21:26 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, --force almost never works! what were you trying to do? | 21:26 |
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| alterego | Lets see if QListView#update() screws a list up when called. | 21:28 |
| alterego | Lame, doesn't do anything. | 21:28 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I've no idea ;-) It claimed my local repo wasn't an ancestor; but both it and the remote one showed a consistent history | 21:28 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: URL? | 21:29 |
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| Jaffa | jhb1: Read http://www.mwkn.net/ - it'll be front page news. | 21:29 |
| Jaffa | Hell, we might even get it on the front page of maemo.org | 21:29 |
| jhb1 | Jaffa, thx again :-) | 21:29 |
| alterego | SSU is all very well and good, but what about an image :P | 21:30 |
| alterego | Do you think nokia will allow use to upload fiasco images to tablets-dev? :) | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler | 21:30 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Ta | 21:30 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Flash PR1.3 then CSSU over the top ;-p | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I asked X-Fade_ if I could upload an on device SDK image, no reply from Nokia legal yet | 21:30 |
| jhb1 | MohammadAG: thanks | 21:31 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Cloned | 21:31 |
| alterego | Good thing about mwkn it is trivial to turn it into meego weekly news :D | 21:31 |
| Jaffa | alterego: It's already transitioning. | 21:31 |
| Jaffa | alterego: I'll need to get timsamoff to update the logo ;-) | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, need commit access? | 21:31 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: I'll do it as a merge request if you prefer; but happy to push straight to the master | 21:31 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I bet they say know, which will suck, especially considering Stskeeps uploaded a meego dev image on there not so long ago .. | 21:31 |
| alterego | s/know/no/ | 21:32 |
| infobot | alterego meant: MohammadAG: I bet they say no, which will suck, especially considering Stskeeps uploaded a meego dev image on there not so long ago .. | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, there's always rapidshare *cough* :P | 21:32 |
| alterego | Heh, well, it'd be nice if we could get a community tablets-dev, with the same security that allowed us to distribute closed components. | 21:33 |
| alterego | But would have the usual extras disclaimer. | 21:33 |
| alterego | The problem with having it on tablets-dev, is that Nokia test all of their maemo releases (apparently) ;) | 21:33 |
| alterego | And they're not going to start testing our community images. | 21:33 |
| alterego | So they can't endorse them. | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, that was a joke wasn't it :P | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | I need to reverse a commit on git | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | Matan's hildon-home patches shouldn't be included, they ruin bg select | 21:34 |
| alterego | No, wasn't a joke :P | 21:34 |
| alterego | I just prefer flashing over SSU | 21:35 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: I'm not sure why they do that | 21:35 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: I'll look into the sources | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, haven't looked at Qt's source code yet, but /usr/share/themes/alpha/images seems to have an image for the list thingy | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | TouchListBackgroundPressed.png | 21:36 |
| alterego | Interesting .. | 21:37 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: plus, for some reason, setting the background on other than the first 4 views doesn't work either | 21:37 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, /etc/hildon/theme/images/TouchListBackgroundPressed.png is a symlink to the current theme's image | 21:39 |
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| MohammadAG | actually, /etc/hildon/theme is a symlink to /usr/share/themes/$theme | 21:39 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, I get the picture. | 21:39 |
| alterego | I just think it's lame. | 21:39 |
| alterego | I don't care much about the gradient to be honest. | 21:39 |
| alterego | flat shading looks fine. | 21:39 |
| alterego | Besides, they both tear horribly when scrolled :P | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | yep, painter->drawImage(r, QImage("/etc/hildon/theme/images/TouchListBackgroundPressed.png")); is enough | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | (r = option.rect, though you probably figured that out) | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, what happens when these are run on qt systems without hildon theme data? | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, already #ifdef'd it :P | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, but it should simply ignore it | 21:42 |
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| alterego | I prefer the more portable method ;) | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, that's #else'd | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:43 |
| lcuk | and what is the portable method alterego | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | using the palette's colour | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | painter->fillRect(r, option.palette.highlight().color()); | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | is the palette also a hildon theme attribute? | 21:44 |
| alterego | lcuk: Yeah, what he said. | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | (he posted that in the other channel) | 21:44 |
| alterego | The palette is set by the theme engine. | 21:45 |
| lcuk | alterego, the qt theme engine? or you loading something dynamically and specific to your app? | 21:45 |
| alterego | No, the Qt theme engine. | 21:45 |
| * lcuk nods | 21:45 | |
| alterego | Which handles looking and feeling like maemo, gnome, windows, os x, etc. | 21:46 |
| lcuk | sure | 21:46 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Merge request submitted. | 21:46 |
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| alterego | Unfortunately in this case, I don't think there is a proper portable way to do it. | 21:46 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/1 | 21:46 |
| alterego | Because highlight listview background images aren't normal. | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, "No merge requests yet" | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, hildon-desktop? | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, why hildon-desktop? | 21:47 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Oh, FFS. | 21:48 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Can't edit that now. | 21:48 |
| * Jaffa tries again ;-) | 21:48 | |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:48 |
| Jaffa | Defaults in gitorious are shit | 21:48 |
| * lcuk hands out warm facepalm towels | 21:48 | |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/merge_requests/1 | 21:49 |
| lcuk | jaffa, you aren't the first to mention MR functionality is clumsy | 21:49 |
| lcuk | but it does allow efficient review :) | 21:49 |
| Kaadlajk | those defaults on merge request really make no sense :) | 21:49 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Now to see if I can rescue my garage git repo | 21:49 |
| lcuk | ++ | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, what does dpkg-divert do? | 21:50 |
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| MohammadAG | also, shouldn't we restore the original apt-worker in prerm? | 21:51 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: That's what dpkg-divert does | 21:51 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/118 - worth a quick read | 21:51 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: I have a feeling that'll be handy | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, but you're removing /usr/libexec/apt-worker | 21:51 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: That's the symlink | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | then you're not restoring the original one | 21:51 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Yes. I am. | 21:52 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: That's the '--rename' option to dpkg-divert | 21:52 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, so wouldn't postinst fail? ln -s /usr/libexec/apt-worker-cssu.sh /usr/libxec/apt-worker since the file exists | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | so dpkg-divert --rename renames the file? | 21:53 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Yes | 21:54 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: The one in postinst moves it away, and the next line puts a symlink in the space vacated. The one in prerm happens after the symlink's been removed and puts the original back into the space | 21:55 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | hello! does anyone know their way around caturing text using a regex from a file? | 22:06 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | awk and grep are doiung my head in | 22:06 |
| jhb1 | [DarkGUNMAN]: sometimes I can match some text with my regexes | 22:07 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Worked out my problem - my HEAD's become detached from a branch | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, sent the source to the builder | 22:08 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | I'm attempting to read an html file downloaded from yahoo weather - to get the path for the PNG graphic file | 22:09 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm. Problem with missing a Boxing Day MWKN is now that there're a ton of articles to edit. | 22:27 |
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| alterego | Heh | 22:27 |
| alterego | Hrm .. | 22:31 |
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| pupnik | \p/ quole... http://qole.blogspot.com/2010/11/n900-meego-chroot-part-3-polishing.html | 22:32 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, the text thing I asked you about is called elide apparently (shortening text that doesn't fit) | 22:37 |
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| alterego | Oh, right | 22:38 |
| alterego | Yeah, I should probably look into that at some pint. | 22:38 |
| alterego | ~point | 22:38 |
| infobot | hmm... point is that the SYN packets fill up the TCP backlog, so no legitimate clients can connect | 22:38 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 22:39 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: I prefer "ellipsisification" | 22:41 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, Qt devs disagree :P | 22:42 |
| alterego | Heh, | 22:42 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Who's the native English speaker, eh? | 22:42 |
| Jaffa | I've got a copy of "Fowler's Modern English Usage" on my bookshelf. So I must be qualified, n'est pas? | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | Oui, bien sur | 22:43 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: "elide" seems to be slightly incorrect anyway (according to "define:elide" in Google) | 22:45 |
| alterego | And you believe that? :P | 22:46 |
| panthere_noire | Hello, I sure the nokia n900 a process that takes 12% of the ram | 22:46 |
| panthere_noire | name: / usr / sbin / browserd | 22:46 |
| alterego | Well, it does mean leave out | 22:46 |
| alterego | Which is fine .. | 22:46 |
| panthere_noire | Is it necessary? | 22:48 |
| ShadowJK | it's the browser | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's the browser | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | if my last message shows up after 10s of shadowjk said, blame lag :P | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | of what* | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | browserd is the browser - it's started even whent eh web broser is not running. | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | To speed up loading. | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | You can stop it - but then the web or conversations or other things it implements may be a bit slower. | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | to start up | 22:49 |
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| panthere_noire | SpeedEvil, ok how I can put killall an end because there was not enough this revival? | 22:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | It is restarted three times by | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | dsme if I remember right | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | kill it twice more | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | or just stop browserd? | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | or /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon.init stop | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - yea - that | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *cough* on google translate | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw I wonder if a dbus call would start browserd | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or simply fail with "destination unknown" | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" ... is what I mean | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | might fail when browserd isn't preloaded | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | or fail silently | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | since that's how most maemo 5 error handling works :P | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep. dbus has a method to start processes on demand though | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | I need com.nokia.FMTx's documentation | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | oh yay | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/fmtx-middleware/fmtx_api.html | 23:08 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | does anyone here know how to use regex to capture a string within an html file? | 23:27 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | grep or awk | 23:28 |
| range | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [DarkGUNMAN]: which html file? | 23:37 |
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| Appiah | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5504 Status says NEW but this is fixed.. what needs to be done next? | 23:46 |
| povbot` | Bug 5504: No seeking for Flac (1.0.5) | 23:46 |
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| MohammadAG | Appiah, if it's fixed I can close it | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | Appiah, does it work for you? | 23:50 |
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| user | so anyone know what the status of neopwn is? | 23:51 |
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| MohammadAG | dead | 23:51 |
| Appiah | well I have extra-devel on and it does not work for me? | 23:52 |
| Appiah | not seen a update.. | 23:52 |
| alterego | Does everyones facebook sharing plugin work for images? | 23:55 |
| alterego | I swear mine stopped working a few months ago. | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | Appiah, I mean, should I close the bug? | 23:55 |
| Appiah | no idea | 23:55 |
| Appiah | I dont know the process :D | 23:55 |
| alterego | ovi sharing isn't working either. | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, mine does | 23:56 |
| alterego | So it probably isn't anything to do with that ^.^ | 23:56 |
| alterego | I'm definitely going to have to reflash when I get my second N900 | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, remove the account and readd it, then revalidate | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, also, have you downloaded the internet yet? :P | 23:56 |
| alterego | Heh :D | 23:57 |
| alterego | Like my avatar do you :P | 23:58 |
| alterego | Dirty internet pervert :P | 23:58 |
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| alterego | Stop cyber stalking me :P | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, your Media IM status updater announce thread is a privacy breach :P | 23:59 |
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