IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-12-29

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DocScrutinizernox-: thanks, was searching for this, then thought I should check your link first00:02
MohammadAGhey _nicolai_ :)00:03
DocScrutinizerBCMM: nope, the adapter you linked is a phone by itself00:03
nox-DocScrutinizer, a real must-have right? :)00:03
DocScrutinizernox-: indeed00:04
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_nicolai_MohammadAG, is someone working on the mafwsource for your mediaplayer?00:05
trumeeanybody using Sygic maps?  Was wondering what is the difference between Ovi store version and Sygic shop version.00:05
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trumeeI want to buy the UK maps, but Sygic online shop doesnt provide them. Only ovi store does.00:07
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MohammadAG_nicolai_, check PM/query00:07
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jacekowskitrumee: sygic is crap00:07
jacekowskitrumee: and there is open source navigation on the way00:07
jacekowskitrumee: as in everything except voice synthesis is there00:08
trumeejacekowski: i need a software which doesnt need to be connected to 3g all the time00:08
trumeejacekowski: Sygic is pretty cheap atm, with a christmas sale00:08
trumeejacekowski: but what opensource navigation are you referring to?00:09
jacekowskilet me just find it00:09
alteregotrumee: what kind of navigation do you require?00:10
MohammadAGffs, gitorious is down00:10
trumeealterego: Turn by turn navigation, something which replace my TomTom which died today.00:10
jacekowskitrumee: it's offline00:11
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jacekowskitrumee: just voice is missing00:11
javispedroosm autorouting?00:11
jacekowskitrumee: but that will be there some time soon probably as it's easy part00:11
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trumeejacekowski: interesting, i have used marble for geotagging in digikam00:12
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: not THAT easy00:14
jacekowskii looked at it00:14
jacekowskiyou can either use festival00:14
jacekowskiand do full synthesis00:14
trumeejacekowski: interesting. How good are OSM maps compared to TeleAtlas or Navteq?00:14
jacekowskitrumee: better00:14
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you either go TTS or natural samples00:14
jacekowskiand natural samples can be stolen from tomtom00:15
* alterego sighs00:15
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: not really00:15
jacekowskiwell, support for tomtom samples can be added00:15
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: why00:15
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DocScrutinizerthere's more to natural samples than just the mere audio00:15
jacekowskistiching it together00:16
DocScrutinizergood natural samples are really really hard to implement and also to record00:16
alteregowill, this, debug ..00:16
jacekowskiwell, there are already ready samples00:16
jacekowskithat can be stolen from tomtom00:16
alteregoThat and regional samples are easier for a driver to understand without thinking about it :)00:16
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you cant stitch together arbitrary samples. It sounds *awful*00:17
jacekowskitomtom samples are not arbitary00:17
jacekowskithey are prepared for it00:17
jacekowskiyou have 60 commands00:17
DocScrutinizerexactly. I *did* that for Siemens navi00:17
jacekowskiturn left/right/hard left/5th exit on rondabout00:17
DocScrutinizerI actualy knpow what I'm talking about00:18
DocScrutinizerI actually know what I'm talking about00:18
jacekowskiwell, creating samples is not an issue at the moment00:18
jacekowskias compatibility with tomtom samples would be nice thing00:18
alteregoNow, hope, this, segfaults00:18
jacekowskias it's just like 60 ogg files00:18
jacekowskidirection generating code in marble looks like it's generating directions that are almost compatible00:19
DocScrutinizereven stealing samples you might find yourself with like 7 "100" and 9 "left"00:19
DocScrutinizerand you got no clue which of those use when00:19
jacekowskirouting is already there00:19
jacekowskiand i'm amazed how simple it is00:20
DocScrutinizernot to mention the inter lexem pauses that are hardcoded and not part of the samples00:20
DocScrutinizerphonem /word / whatever00:20
jacekowskitomtom samples contain whole sentences00:20
jacekowskiso you just play one ready sample00:21
DocScrutinizerthat's quite limiting the number of possible guiding instructions00:21
jacekowskibesides, these are just details00:21
louis__I've bought a used Nokia N900. After typing my PIN code it says "Pin code accepted" and then the screen turns black. I can boot the phone (no SMS/Call) fine if I skip the PIN Code. Do I  need to reset the settings or why can't I log in after typing pin code?00:21
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: that's good thing00:21
ShadowJKlouis__, never heard of it doing that00:21
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: because then if i have limited amount of samples i'm not going to be attacked by some unexpected stuff00:22
DocScrutinizerlouis__: weak worn out battery I guess00:22
jacekowskibut it will be just 2-3 words simple instructions00:22
DocScrutinizerwhen GSM starts sending, it gets a brownout00:22
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ShadowJKIf it's used, I'd flash it anyway00:23
ShadowJKsee if it improves00:23
jacekowskiwell, in used phone everything can be messed up00:23
louis__The screen is black, but the back light is still on.00:23
trumeeok, my original question got lost in the discusson. What is the difference between Sygic (Ovi store) and Sygic (Online shop) versions?00:23
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: the navi I was working for had arbitrary distance, like "inn 190 meters, turn right"00:23
jacekowskiyeah same thing00:24
louis__And I've used it for hours without SIM card.00:24
DocScrutinizerlouis__: ouch00:24
jacekowskitomtom has two distances00:24
jacekowskithat depend on speed00:24
jacekowskii think it's above 50mph it's 2 miles and then 500 yards00:24
jacekowskiand at less than 50 it's something like 1.5mile00:24
ShadowJKI've seen reports that sygic is unable to say "yards" and just stays silent, but amusingly I had the english voice the other day and it said metres just fine :-)00:25
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DocScrutinizerwhat do you do for double manoevers? like "in 100 meters turn right - then after 30 meters turn right"00:25
jacekowskiwell, then it stiches them00:25
jacekowskiwith some delay00:25
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louis__I'll charge it over night and if that doesn't help. I'll reset the settings.00:26
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you'll be lost withthat TomTom in German cities00:26
jacekowskilouis__: not reset00:26
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aptHi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me00:26
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i never got lost in london with it00:26
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: nobody ever complained00:26
jacekowskilouis__: flash00:26
jacekowskilouis__: there is a difference00:26
apti guess flashing is
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louis__The phone has a "reset" feature but I can try to reflash it tomorrow. Thanks and good night ;)00:28
jacekowskireset isn't a reset00:28
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: I guess you noticed it by now? So I'll tell her to stfu00:28
jacekowskiit's just reseting user setting00:28
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ShadowJKit does almost nothing :)00:28
jacekowskibut a lot of other stuff still can be messed up00:28
crashanddietell her?00:28
louis__jacekowski: What is it when?00:28
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: wut?00:28
MohammadAGcrashanddie, <apt> Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me00:29
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-28 23:26:24] <apt> Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me00:29
crashanddiewhy did she tell me that?00:29
DocScrutinizerbecause I told her to tell you :-D00:30
DocScrutinizerinfobot is 'dea'. She's her sister00:30
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crashanddiewhy is she dead?00:31
crashanddieWhat happened?00:31
DocScrutinizerthe don't play nice in same room :-P00:31
DocScrutinizer(what happened) dunno. Maybe somebody made infobot act up and so she got kickbanned by #freenode or sth00:31
DocScrutinizerapt is well, infobot is dead though thinks she's joined to all chan she ought to be. Also TimRiker not been seen online since ~24h00:32
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crashanddieyeah well, kinda expected this time of year00:33
DocScrutinizer(maybe he got kickbanned as well? X-D )00:33
crashanddiethough, apt shouldn't be +v00:33
DocScrutinizerwhy not?00:34
DocScrutinizernever got the root rationale for your +v'ing her anyway00:34
jacekowskilouis__: it's just deleting settings00:34
jacekowskilouis__: that's all00:34
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jacekowskilouis__: flash is only real factory reset00:34
crashanddiejust looks nice to have her there :)00:34
DocScrutinizerbut it's convenient as it sorts her on top of userlist00:35
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louis__jacekowski: Okey. Thanks for info.00:35
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pupniktaiwanese make nice photoblogs00:40
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trumeei am installing sygic from Ovi store. Can i get hold of the deb before it is deleted?00:55
trumeeon the device.00:55
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pupniktrumee: ls /var/cache/apt/archives perhaps01:01
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MohammadAGremoved directly after installation01:04
* alterego contemplates skipping fixing mapping in Columbus and just implementing what he's got planned :/01:06
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* trumee finds Nokia DC-11 charger awesome. A charger which really charges up N900 damn quick.01:10
gazuneed some help01:12
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alteregogazu: just ask, don't ask to ask.01:13
gazuapt-get install nokia-binaries,working only offside ofscratchbox01:13
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alteregodon't you mean: fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries?01:13
gazuI was in the middle01:14
gazuyea that was i did01:14
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gazuI get access to that binaries only inside my box,but not in scratchbox01:15
gazu[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps01:16
gazuReading package lists... Done01:16
gazuBuilding dependency tree... Done01:16
gazuE: Couldn't find package nokia-binaries01:16
OEXPLhow can I create an interactive startscript(programm reads from stdin) for /etc/event.d?01:16
MohammadAGgazu, why did you add the line you got (with the token) to your PC's /etc/apt/sources.list file?01:17
MohammadAGremove it outside scratchbox, add it inside scratchbox01:17
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gazudidnt get it01:18
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gazuone more time01:18
MohammadAGopen a terminal window01:18
MohammadAGnano /etc/apt/sources.list01:18
MohammadAGremove the line with nokia-binaries01:19
MohammadAGthen CTRL+O CTRL+X to exit nano01:19
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MohammadAGnow /scratchbox/login01:19
MohammadAGnano /etc/apt/sources.list01:19
MohammadAGand add the line01:19
MohammadAGscratchbox is a chroot01:20
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gazuI'm getting this in the middle of the binaries's install01:57
gazuERROR: object '/usr/lib/libfakeroot-sysv/
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DocScrutinizerskipping fixing mapping and just starting planning implementing... My pidgin is too old for that02:27
DocScrutinizererr pidging02:29
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alteregonox-: crazy ...02:42
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nox-yeah but i guess it was only a question of time...02:44
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BCMMnox-: it looks as if that could basically get fixed by network operators without deviating from GSM or breaking anything03:06
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BCMMi mean, the problems exploited by that specific hack03:06
nox-yeah, but there also is the problem of security holes in phones's (etc) baseband processors03:08
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ds3security for what?03:08
nox-`attacks' over the `air'03:08
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ds3attacks to get free access to the GSM network or attacks to see what is being sent and received?03:09
nox-the latter03:09
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nox-and to get at user's data on smartphones etc03:09
ds3that should be a non issue03:10
ds3this is a broadcast medium. secure your device. stop relying on link layer security03:10
nox-well some ppl have ssh/vpn keys on there or similar stuff03:11
ds3it is the same stupid reasoning that people are arguing on using stuff like VPNs when the right thing to do is to secure their APPS and emachines03:11
nox-yeah but the baseband code a user rarely can fix03:11
ds3why are the ssh/vpn keys not encrypted locally?03:11
ds3not properly handling encryption is not excuse03:11
nox-well the problem is a bit like many non-techie windows users being unable to keep the worms out, only here the `attack' comes over the air03:13
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nox-so you could even do less about it03:14
ds3my answer for that is simple. unsecured machines are disconnected upon detection for the first infraction. banned forever on the second infraction.03:14
ds3everything sent outside of your machine is of suspect unless otherwise authenticated03:15
nox-as i said the baseband code a user rarely can fix himself03:15
ds3secure the rest of the machine against that03:16
nox-on some phones baseband and app cpu even share ram...03:18
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nox-i mean use the same ram03:19
SpeedEvilFor the above attack - simply random-filling the packets NUL areas would break the rainbow tables.03:19
SpeedEvilOr renegotiating keys between uses03:19
nox-the other attack was using a `rogue' base station i.e. something like a mitm03:20
nox-and that bad guy then causes buffer overflows etc pp03:21
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* alterego contemplates an about dialog03:28
nox-bye pupnik03:29
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MohammadAGalterego, QHEAboutDialog? :)03:33
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timeless_mbpsomeone want to try
MohammadAGwhat's .in again?03:36
timeless_mbpit's a major market03:36
ds3how many trojans have you installed on there? ;)03:36
timeless_mbpds3: did you try loading it?03:36
ds3I don't load trojan sites ;)03:36
MohammadAGactually, trjoan sites don't load03:37
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, it doesn't load03:37
timeless_mbpds3: ok, visit, at the bottom, click international sites03:37
timeless_mbpthen click india03:37
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: oh, that's an improvement03:37
alteregoMohammadAG: no, Columbus, somewhere to stick my "Donate!" button? :D03:37
timeless_mbptry ?03:37
timeless_mbpor ?03:38
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MohammadAGalterego, there's a donate button in QHEAboutDialog :P03:39
ds3it is dead.03:40
alteregoI have my own dialogs thanks :P03:40
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MohammadAGthat should be rewritten in Qt tbh, instead of a Qt-gtk wrapper03:41
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MohammadAGRussian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin signed an order yesterday calling for the federal government to switch to Linux from proprietary operating systems such as Microsoft Windows, starting in 2Q 2012.03:43
MohammadAGrussia ftw03:43
alteregoYes, I've seen it before.03:43
alteregoI'm still not interested :P03:43
MohammadAGrussia or the dialog?03:43
alteregoEither tbh :D03:44
ds3whoa... the NOK servers are foobared03:45
ds3finally timed out got an error page back from their server03:45
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, who the hell designs 404s for Nokia?03:47
MohammadAGIt says Oops, lost? Never get lost again with Ovi Maps03:48
MohammadAGhow the fuck are those related03:48
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LinuxCodehe ordered....03:49
LinuxCodehow can that be ftw03:49
LinuxCodeId like departments to go, we need to save money, be more secure, more lets use linux03:49
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ds3didn't you know, Ovi Maps is also a indexing tools for webpages? ;)03:52
MohammadAGonly in India03:52
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timeless_mbpMohammadAG: isn't that cute?03:52
timeless_mbpanyway, in case you're curious, i called nokia usa and reported them03:53
timeless_mbpthey claimed i should check in an hour03:53
timeless_mbpplease do check in an hour03:53
MohammadAGand if it's not working, 911?03:53
jacekowskiwhat have you done?03:53
timeless_mbpcall nokia usa and complain?03:53
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MohammadAGhmm, 1-800 number?03:54
timeless_mbp(use skype, it's toll free)03:54
MohammadAGexactly what I was thinking :P03:54
MohammadAGthough I'll probably be asleep, it's 4 AM atm :P03:54
jacekowskii could call03:55
jacekowskibut i don't care03:55
timeless_mbpyou want english, {something}, ovi services,03:55
timeless_mbpit's generally the last choice03:55
timeless_mbpwe called 40 mins ago03:55
MohammadAGjacekowski, it's toll free03:55
MohammadAGhow couldn't you care03:55
timeless_mbpbut it probably took 15mins for us to get through the queue03:56
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: btw, which site gave you the stupid 404?03:56
timeless_mbp(a bunch of them now just don't load anything)03:56
MohammadAGredirected me to
* alterego is now adding waypoint support.03:57
MohammadAGalterego, isn't it late in the UK? :P03:57
alteregoAlmost 2am yeah03:57
alteregoIs there something wrong with that? :P03:59
* MohammadAG executes date in XChat03:59
MohammadAGWed Dec 29 03:59:43 IST 201003:59
MohammadAGalterego, not really, no ^03:59
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alteregoI just want to get v1 done before my gf comes back from Paris ^.^04:01
MohammadAGwhen's she coming back?04:02
MohammadAG    don't sleep;04:02
SpeedEvilNot sleeping doesn't improve productivity04:03
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MohammadAGsleep wastes time :P04:03
MohammadAGand for some reason, I progress a lot at night04:03
SpeedEvilI need to fix my cycle.04:04
SpeedEvilI got up at 3pm today04:04
SpeedEvilSo - nigth all!04:04
alteregoShe comes back in a week.04:09
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MohammadAGalterego->sleep(); :P04:10
alteregoNeah, I stayed up all night last night getting her sorted and off to the airport.04:10
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* alterego implements waypoint averaging04:31
alteregoThink I may go to bed after this.04:31
alteregoOr eat something, haven't decided yet.04:31
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* SpeedEvil is eating something in bed.04:35
* SpeedEvil wishes the n900 GPS was a bit rawer04:35
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DocScrutinizernight SpeedEvil04:35
SpeedEvilI woke up again, and am now going to sleep04:36
zutesmoghowdy, just took delivery of my N900, so just starting out on my n900 adventure.  (Been lurking here on and off for nearly a year).04:36
zutesmogI have a strong development background c, python mainly.  Been doing paid development on appengine for the last few years04:37
zutesmogam ex Sun.04:38
alteregoWorking for Cisco no then? ^.^04:38
zutesmogbut been running linux based systems  (servers, apache stacks etrc...) for the last 8-10 years04:38
MohammadAGalterego, it works :D04:39
zutesmogbeen independant contracting/consulting for the last 10 years.04:39
MohammadAGhad to transform the whole view, not the image04:39
zutesmogHope to contribute something here, once I get my head around my new toy04:39
alteregoMohammadAG: show us a pic then :)04:39
MohammadAGsec :D04:40
MohammadAG    QTransform t;04:40
MohammadAG    t = t.rotate(-25, Qt::YAxis);04:40
MohammadAG    ui->view->setTransform(t);04:40
MohammadAGtwas that easy04:40
* MohammadAG feels pathetic :P04:40
alteregoBelieve me, I've spent more time getting pissed off with trig recently whilst working on Columbus04:41
alteregoIt's annoying because it's all so basic.04:41
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SpeedEvilspherical trig is fun!04:41
SpeedEvilThough it's really trig on a WGS84 elipsoid04:42
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merlin1991wait a min SpeedEvil  didn't you say gn like 45 mins ago? :D04:42
alteregoI'm not doing anything that clever yet.04:42
timeless_mbp:o, .in is back up :)04:42
MohammadAGalterego, I'm thinking of dumping layouts tbh04:42
SpeedEvilmerlin: I'm failing sleep04:42
MohammadAGfor the nowplayingwindow04:42
MohammadAGthey're making the image a bit small04:43
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MohammadAGthere's wasted screen estate on either side04:45
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alteregoYou need to add a gradient04:48
alteregoSo the reflection fades out04:48
alteregoI think you should make it smaller too, so there's a margin around the image.04:48
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MohammadAGalterego, smaller and wider04:49
ShadowJKit looks like it's distorted from a rectangle into something not a rectangle, and mirroring added to where there previously had been the full rectangle04:49
ShadowJKis that intentional?04:49
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MohammadAGShadowJK, this is the full effect
MohammadAGit's a bit stretched, should've picked a better album art, but it was the one that was there :P04:50
ShadowJKSo who will make app to pre-distort cover art so that it shows up "right"? :)04:50
MohammadAGthe image's from ryhtmbox's cache04:51
alteregoShadowJK: not really neccessary, how quickly can you change album? :)04:51
MohammadAGit makes images 200x20004:51
MohammadAGon the N900 album art is stored as 600x60004:52
* MohammadAG copies bigger image04:52
ShadowJKYou could have the rectangular image unmodified, but simulate slowly waving water underneath :P04:52
DocScrutinizermeh, better album. The one we used isn't compatible to our eye-candy :-S04:52
aptDocScrutinizer meant: meh, better album. The one we used isn't compatible to our eye-powder :-S04:53
MohammadAGShadowJK, impact on battery?04:54
MohammadAGs/apt/infobot/ :(04:54
ShadowJKI hope it wouldn't use too much power on sgx, you'd obviously have to stop it whenever the UI does not have focus, or the screen is off04:55
SpeedEvilwater - sloshing according to accel04:55
ShadowJKcool idea :)04:55
SpeedEviland reflecting the album art live in the rippled surface04:55
MohammadAGcould make that like a fullscreen mode04:55
MohammadAGor performance mode04:56
MohammadAGwith gstreamer equalizer slide-able from the side?04:56
ShadowJKYou could like project outward waves from a line source or a point source on the surface, and vary the amplitude according to accel?04:56
aptMohammadAG meant: with gstreamer visualizer slide-able from the side?04:56
MohammadAGI could, but I need to learn about animation :P04:56
DocScrutinizerfsck, will it also *play music*??04:57
ShadowJKNo, of course not04:57
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it does already04:58
ShadowJKBut you could have mplayer $(find . -name \*.mp3) running in the background04:58
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, but it doesn't let you pick the song :P04:58
MohammadAGhaven't you noticed all screenshots have the same song? :P04:58
MohammadAGcause I haven't changed it in a while04:58
ShadowJKAbout 10 years ago I accidentally discovered that xmms in the background and 'xstrange' in the foreground provided a visualization of the music that correlated more often with the music than things that genuinely tried to look at the music :-)04:59
DocScrutinizerand I guess it has a cute algorithm to shuffle segments of the song and rearragne them in a highly interesting manner04:59
DocScrutinizerthen dub over some rap generated by espeak05:00
MohammadAGyes, it's very Qt05:00
ShadowJKThat's the most annoying feature of hte original media player. Sometimes it plays the first song from every album it finds, then the second song of every album, etc :P05:00
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DocScrutinizerI'd actually prefer if you'd take pride in optimizing the performance and footprint and usability of this app, rather than eyecandy that obviously isn't exactly appreciated by quite a number of potential users. But yeah, I know, "it's freeeeeeeeeeeeee!"05:08
MohammadAGdid you actually test it to say it doesn't perform well?05:09
DocScrutinizerI say it uses more ram that it should05:09
MohammadAGfix Qt then05:09
MohammadAG6MBs is a lot :S05:10
MohammadAGwell, 805:10
comawhiteIs there an app for using your voice to call someone for example?05:10
comawhiteor to execute apps by voice05:10
DocScrutinizernope, not really05:10
MohammadAG 6958  6132 root     S    24224  8.1  0.0 ./mediaplayer.bc5c5b5a10377a360354ff2ab641c1dc05:10
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pupnikwhat word would you use to describe the degauss sound on a crt?05:34
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alteregoA twunk05:35
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alteregoRight, bed time now.05:58
alteregoLater folks.05:58
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timeless_mbpooh, looks different now06:04
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: they replaced the 404 you didn't like :)06:04
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timeless_mbpnice, that page makes it easy for you to find out which other regional sites are dead :)06:08
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ineedhelpi'm trying to add the extras-devel repository but haven't had any luck. could someone help me out?09:36
psycho_oreoswhere are you stuck>?09:37
ineedhelpat the bottom of 'catalog details' in red, it says '   404 Not Found [IP: 80]09:39
ineedhelpand   404 Not Found [IP: 80]09:40
* psycho_oreos waits for HAM to stop fiddling with itself09:42
psycho_oreoswell the link doesn't work, so its definitely an issue with adding the apt.conf09:42
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ineedhelpi got it....typo on fremantle09:44
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DocScrutinizerattenton, it will install *all* repos on clicking09:44
psycho_oreoslol there09:44
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: suggestion-> have proper "it's frEmantle, not frEEmantle!" webpages on etc :-D09:46
psycho_oreosmaybe have a symlink freemantle to fremantle lol09:47
DocScrutinizerno way, we'd see a LOT of wrong instructions claiming "WFM!"09:47
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hrwKhertan_: alive?11:41
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khertanhrw yep ...11:56
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khertanhrw, from PySide.QtWebKit import *.... ouch ...11:58
hrwImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PySide/ undefined symbol: _ZN8Shiboken12TypeResolver5toCppEP7_objectPPvb12:00
hrwupgrading packages now12:02
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hrw    from PySide.QtWebKit import *12:02
hrwImportError: No module named QtWebKit12:02
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hrwthats effect of >>> from khweeteur import Khweeteur12:03
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khertanhrw : yep exactly12:09
khertani ve use the same launcher for khweeteur and khweeteur-experimental12:10
khertanwhich is an error when not printing error12:10
hrwkhertan: add dependency on python-pyside.qtwebkit then12:11
hrwkhertan: now it works12:11
khertanyep or remove the useless import :)12:11
hrwkhertan: or try/except it12:11
* hrw wonder does any of maemo twitter clients supports lists...12:12
khertanhrw it s a inactivated feature ... it s a try to use webkit for automated oauth authentification12:12
khertanhrw what did you call lists ?12:13
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hrwkhertan: Twitter lists12:15
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* khertan just discover that you can make list in Twitter12:17
* khertan is in many twitter list12:17
hrwkhertan: and you can add people which you do not follow into the list12:18
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khertannow the question is how to made an intuitive ui on that list feature :)12:21
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hrwkhertan: add menu option "My Lists" which will give QListWidget with lists - user clicks and gets tweets12:24
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khertanhrw, this was the first solution that come into my mind too12:25
khertanlet s take a look at how it s work on the Twitter API :)12:25
khertan & should be enough12:27
khertannow i probably should implement it in the python-twitter module too :)12:27
* khertan still didn't see any interest in oauth ...12:29
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khertanhrw, 0.1.10 should be available soon in extras-devel :)12:36
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hrwkhertan: 0.1.10 installed12:51
hrwkhertan: btw - could you first do fetch then display?12:52
hrwkhertan: now when I run khweeteur I am getting old direct messages, then some newer mentions, then finally unified timeline12:52
khertanhrw this occur only after the cache has been cleaned12:54
khertanrecovering dm is faster than the rest12:54
khertanand as it s threaded :)12:54
khertanbut i like the display once you got the information12:54
khertanany reason to wait ?12:55
hrwkhertan: it gives me feeling that something is wrong as I first gets over week old tweets12:57
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hrwkhertan: next thing to change is prefs UI - labels takes too much space13:00
hrwkhertan: if you have *.ui file for it then I can reorder it, but you probably generate it by hand13:00
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khertanbut you probably generate it by hand < exactly :)13:02
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* trumee is sitting at his barbers with openvpn connection to home via N900, awesome!!13:39
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Scorcererdoes maemo really need to run dnsmasq to get dns servers? or is there way to turn that thing off and use something lighter, like udhcp ?13:43
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vapopupanybody here speak chinese?16:33
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MohammadAGX-Fade, ping17:15
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X-FadeMohammadAG: pong.17:16
MohammadAGX-Fade, was wondering if we could have a package in -devel to link with the SSU17:17
MohammadAGX-Fade, I might use red-pill mode's don't ignore packages from wrong domain mode17:17
X-FadeMohammadAG: And then disable it after update run?17:19
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MohammadAGX-Fade, no, just keep it on17:19
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MohammadAGX-Fade, I noticed another problem, if the SSU gains higher priority, Nokia's SSU is ignored :P17:20
X-FadeMohammadAG: Well that was the plan, right?17:20
MohammadAGall packages?17:20
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: what's wrong w/ ignoring nokia ssu? :)17:20
X-FadeMohammadAG: Hmm.17:20
MohammadAGI thought it'd just ignore the upgraded packages17:20
X-FadeMohammadAG: I did too.17:20
MohammadAGhmm indeed17:21
MohammadAGaren't all packages in the SSU outside user/*?17:21
X-FadeNo, apps can be in an ssu too.17:21
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MohammadAGX-Fade, was asking about Nokia's SSU17:22
MohammadAGif they're all outside user/, then we shouldn't really care if they're ignored since HAM won't show them anyways17:22
X-FadeMohammadAG: Well isn't modest for instance user?17:22
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, it's not the right way :P17:22
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: now you care about purity?17:23
* timeless_mbp sighs17:23
MohammadAGX-Fade, I don't recall seeing it in HAM's uninstall section17:23
* timeless_mbp kicks soemthing17:23
timeless_mbpthis stupid driver forced my mac to reboot17:23
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timeless_mbpand it isn't working17:23
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MohammadAGin fact I don't recall anything other than the metapackage in the user/ section17:24
MohammadAGas when I got my device, I only had "Maemo 5" in the uninstall list17:24
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MohammadAGplus some widgets17:24
X-FadeMohammadAG: Well they don't expect you to uninstall it :)17:24
MohammadAGX-Fade, then it's outside user/* ;)17:25
MohammadAGignore Nokia SSU - check17:25
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MohammadAGneed clean device to test from PR1.3 - not.. check17:25
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MohammadAGsigh, I need a full system backup17:25
X-FadeMohammadAG: FWIW when they'll update qtm for instance, it will probably come from nokia-apps repo.17:25
MohammadAGI don't feel like reflashing to test17:25
X-FadeMohammadAG: And updates like that are more likely than a SSU.17:26
MohammadAGcan't we just import the packages then?17:26
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X-FadeI wonder if just adding them to the meta package would be enough.17:26
X-FadeAs the apps repo is still enabled then?17:26
MohammadAGwell, the packages are ignored17:27
MohammadAGwho has 2 devices and is willing to test some cases? :P17:27
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timeless_mbpanyone here familiar w/ usb to serial adapters and drivers for os x (x86_64)?17:36
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libbenis there any ebook reader for n900 that supports .mobi formats?17:39
SpeedEvilHave you looked at fbreader?17:40
SpeedEvilI don't know about .mobi though17:40
SpeedEvilI use it for html and epub mainly17:40
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libbeni have fbreader installed17:40
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SpeedEvilInput formats accepted: ePUB, MOBI, LIT, PRC, FB2, HTML, HTM, XHTM,  SHTML, XHTML, ODT, RTF, PDF, TXT, RECIPE, PML, SHTM, PDB, AZW, CBC,  PMLZ, CBR, OPF RB, LRF, CBZ, TCR. Output formats available: EPUB, MOBI, LRF FB2, LIT, PDB, PDF, PMLZ, RB, TCR, TXT17:44
SpeedEvilso - mobi -> epub should be possible17:44
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SpeedEvilgives hope it might 'just work' on n90017:45
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libbencalibre install for maemo would be nice.17:56
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libbenbut will fetch my book within another format by now17:56
SpeedEvilHave you tried the above procedure on maemo?17:56
libbenno no17:56
libbenfirst thing would be to check if all the depends is in the system17:57
libbenif there not, someone has to fix that first =)17:57
SpeedEvilWell - no.17:57
libbenthere == theyre17:57
SpeedEvilThe first thing is to try it, and see if it works.17:57
SpeedEvilSometimes stuff just does17:57
libbenwell true that =)17:57
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MohammadAGwhy is it dead in here today? :P18:16
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vapopupholidays, time spent with family18:18
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SpeedEvilSecret PR1.4 trials18:20
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Ex-OpesaGuys, is there any theme related to carbon/hydrocarbon? I remember there was one but I can't find it..I need some blackish theme.19:14
Ex-OpesaI need it for maemo pr 1.3 / n90019:15
lcukthp, :) nice icon list document19:15
lcuk(for people not on twitter )19:16
thplcuk: :)19:16
MohammadAGlcuk, heh, that's the one I pasted the license for you from19:17
lcukyeah MohammadAG, and obviously in mind based on that conversation19:17
lcukthats a nice resource19:17
MohammadAGthough I kinda stopped using it, I just string the binary and grep for png :P19:18
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lardmanhey chaps19:20
lardmanMerry Christmas19:20
X-Fadelardman: You have a lot of lag on your irc client ;)19:20
lcuk\o Merry Christmas lardman19:21
lardmanX-Fade: lol19:21
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lardmanhi guys19:21
javispedrohi lardman19:21
MohammadAGhey lardman :)19:21
* lardman has installed Ubuntu on his netbook and is cursing the size of dialogs19:22
lcuklardman, touchscreen netbook?19:22
* MohammadAG passes the MeeGo USB key19:22
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lardmannah, samsung n14019:22
lcukMohammadAG, heh19:22
MohammadAGoh right, my flash drive crashes the new HP netbook19:22
lcukgood I have one of those on my car keys19:22
MohammadAGat POST19:23
lardmanmeego wants the whole hdd afaiu, and I need to use Windows too...19:23
MohammadAGso I couldn't try MeeGo on a touch screen19:23
* MohammadAG cries19:23
MohammadAGlardman, it runs off the USB drive19:23
lcuk:( get onto #meego and check whats happening MohammadAG19:23
X-Fadelardman: Nah, it is just linux. And uses grub :)19:23
lardmanwell that was the warning on the installation page19:24
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MohammadAGlcuk, I never figured it out, so I gave up19:24
X-Fadelardman: Sure, if you next,next,next it.19:24
javispedrothe installer is crap19:24
lardmanubuntu happily resized my ntfs partition and installed in the newly created half19:24
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javispedroprobably it was not a goal to coexist with window.19:24
lardmanjavispedro: unfortunately some of us have to use Windows19:24
javispedrolardman: I spent +1hour trying to discover how to do that on meegoconf =)19:25
lardmananyway, c'est la vie, I might give it a go, but I was after a portable sb install, so I guess Ubuntu is probably a better bet anyway19:25
lardmanso I've been busy writing an augmented reality app, and as we lack a compass am going to use a scrolling compass widget19:26
lardmanmy question is, can one, using an existing widget scroll right round in a circle?19:26
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lardmanI've got it set up as a full width band at the bottom of the widget that shows the camera view, and I'd like to have it finger scrollale19:28
lardmanscrollable even19:28
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lardmanalternatively is there a way of using the kinetic scrolling abilities to give me some sort of delta-position that I can wrap around myself (as I need to use a custom paint fn anyway)?19:33
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lardmanhmm, all quiet on the western front19:53
MohammadAGlardman, like alterego's columbus app?19:54
lardmanMohammadAG: not sure, I've not tried that19:55
lardmanI'll download and take a look-see19:56
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lardmanhmm, same sort of thing as in the top LH corner, but I want the user to be able to flick it around to align it correctly19:57
lardmanas we lack an e-compass19:58
lardman image here for those who don't know what it is19:59
lardmanflick it left/right I should say to align it correctly19:59
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lardman(I know that's pretty crap, but we lack a compass, so I need something vaguely usable until we get new hw with one)20:00
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: open source firmware for ti modem20:05
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: same as in openmoko20:05
SpeedEvilyeah - I linked him earlier.20:05
SpeedEvilFun stuff.20:05
SpeedEvilThe attack is largely mitigatable - the rainbow tables become useless if the packets are not null-filled AIUI20:06
SpeedEvilOf course, that means firmware upgrades20:06
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jacekowski attack?20:07
DocScrutinizerhaha, is down20:09
jacekowskistreaming is working20:09
jacekowskibut hmm now thiking about it20:09
jacekowskiti calypso is made by ti like rapuyama20:09
jacekowskiso it maybe is similiar20:10
DocScrutinizerot really20:10
DocScrutinizerwell, details might be comparable20:10
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RST38hWell. Moo.20:18
MohammadAG ha20:20
javispedromoo RST38h20:20
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vapopupwoohoo i found more Dimensional Force bean paste!20:23
RST38hjavispedro: How is suffering tonight?20:24
javispedroactually doing some hacking20:24
javispedroI think I found an actual bug in the dosbox mouse code20:25
RST38hMOhammad: OMG they got 4chan20:25
javispedropupnik would be happy, if he was here :)20:25
RST38hdosbox hacking? mhhmmmm20:25
MohammadAGRST38h, this won't end well, I'm sure20:26
RST38hMohammad: The usual, end-of-the-world, etc20:26
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MohammadAGFIXED IN PR1.4!20:26
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vapopupjavispedro: i am happy!  has you seen any improvement in any game to test?20:27
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javispedrooh, hi :)20:27
javispedrovapopup: it could case an unwanted horizontal acceleration20:27
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vapopupare you interested in implementing 'trackpad mode'?20:28
javispedroit was sligthly noticeable in text mode, probably more in graphics20:28
vapopupi have looked at the mouse code and it is confuussing20:28
javispedrovapopup: trying to get more proefficient in the entire mouse stack20:28
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vapopupgotten any offers for help from #dosbox?20:29
javispedronope, working alone so far20:29
javispedromsmouse actually used absolute mouse coordinates20:30
vapopupi am sorry i haven't done it myself but i am glad ou understand how not-easy it is20:30
vapopupyes, i would suggest leaving their stuff as-is and use #ifdef and your own stuff on-top of it20:31
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: NB calypso also had *option* to support signatures and PKI for firmware updates. But it never got used it seems20:31
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javispedrovapopup: do you want a n8x0 test build?20:43
javispedrovapopup: if whatever game you wanted to try used msmouse (int33h) it should work better20:43
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javispedrops2 will work as bad as usual, though20:43
vapopupjavispedro: how about a patch or a pastebin?   i have a couple of other touchscreen devices20:44
vapopupthis is for the bugfix right?20:44
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javispedroI don't know exactly where the extra acceleration comes from, but since it's in part that should do nothing when on touchscreen, i just ifdef'd 0 it.20:45
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RST38hMeanwhile: German Kindergartens Ordered To Pay Copyright For Songs20:47
RST38h"A tightening of copyright rules means kindergartens now have to pay fees to Germany's music licensing agency, GEMA, to use songs that they reproduce and perform. The organization has begun notifying creches and other daycare facilities that if they reproduce music to be sung or performed, they must pay for a license."20:47
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javispedronote the simplicity :)20:49
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RST38hfunny, I can reuse this code in a few places at work =)20:50
pupnikhmm ty20:51
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pupnikOfftopic:  TSA scan/grop online registry
MohammadAGany DBus techies?20:54
MohammadAGneed to find the method to open .install files20:55
javispedronow, if damn windows used msmouse for getting abs coordinates instead of messing around with ps2 I could get windows to work flawlessly too20:56
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javispedroI fscking hate Scribd.21:03
javispedroslower than AcrobatPDF itself (!!!), requires Flash, Facebook login to download21:04
javispedroyet people use it.21:04
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jacekowskifoxit reader21:06
jacekowskifaster than adobe21:06
jacekowskibut it's not going to solve your problem21:06
javispedroyeah :(21:06
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RST38hjavispedro: Scribd is a mysterious service that does not appear to have a purpose21:07
jacekowskiwell it solves one problem21:07
jacekowskiacrobat reader21:07
jacekowskiand it's browser plugin21:07
jacekowskithat tends to do strange things21:07
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KMFDMscribd's purpose (currently) is to force you to upload bullshit files to download their pdf'p21:17
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jaskastrings /dev/urandom | text-to-pdf-converter ? :)21:22
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lolcatcan maemo emulate a real cpu?21:27
E0xwhat ?21:27
trxum, what?21:27
lolcatI want to run a probably non arm program21:28
lolcatthe linux client21:28
lolcaton my phone21:28
E0xarm is not a real cpu ?21:28
RST38hDepends on whose arm it is.21:28
javispedroit is linear!21:28
ds3calling arm a CPU doesn't do it justice ;)21:28
lolcatyou know what I mean21:28
trxby real u mean x86?21:29
lolcatMaybe 64bit21:29
lolcatnot sure, I'll have to add the respitory21:30
MohammadAGcan x86 emulate x64?21:30
javispedroif x86 is "real", then x64 must be "the matrix"?21:30
lolcatwill I have to run the easy debian desktop to run it?21:30
RST38hMohammadAG: Most current Intel CPUs support x6421:30
RST38hMohammadAG: (in the 64bit extension sense)21:30
trx"the matrix"21:30
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MohammadAGRST38h, erm, not quite what I meant but.. whatever :P21:31
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ds3there is a reason why it is called i386 ;)21:31
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MohammadAGcause it was originally made by Apple and intel stole it?21:32
lolcatcan I run the client? I want music!!!!21:32
trxx86 is an architecture, and has both 32bit and 64bit registers21:32
ds3it isn't a real CPU21:33
trxif your cpu has them that is :)21:33
ds3for the EEs, prehaps calling it a j386 is more appropriate ;)21:33
RST38hx86 has not 64bit regs other than MMX regs21:33
MohammadAGor google.com21:33
RST38hOnce you switch to 64bit mode your registers get extended to 64bit (i.e. EAX becomes RAX, etc)21:33
lolcatMohammadAG: I dont want to double pay for my music21:34
MohammadAGthere are spotify clients21:34
MohammadAGlots of them21:34
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trxRST38h but it still is X86 architecture, is it not?21:34
ds3i386 in SMP is real though: -(386)^2 ;)21:34
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lolcatMohammadAG: there is an official client, for linux21:35
MohammadAGmeh, same as two years ago21:35
MohammadAGunavailable in IL21:35
MohammadAGX86 is different from ARM21:36
RST38htrx: Microsoft calls it x6421:36
MohammadAGso, no, you can't run it21:36
RST38htrx: as opposed to 32bit x8621:36
lolcatMaybe thats why they are so angry... We should allow them to listen to calm music21:36
trxmicrosoft is lame :)21:36
RST38htrx: Strictly speaking, x64 should probably be reserved for AMDproducts21:36
lolcatMohammadAG: are you sure there are no arm spotify in the spotify respitory21:36
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> there are spotify clients21:37
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> lots of them21:37
lolcatI want offline playback!21:37
trxjust download the music :)21:37
MohammadAGI want 100k bucks21:37
RST38hwhy so small amount?21:38
lolcatIt costs money!21:38
lolcatand effort most importantly21:38
MohammadAGtrx, I tried pointing him to google, he didn't like it :P21:38
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trxi see :)21:38
lolcatI am on my phone, no time for googeling21:38
lolcatbesides I think the linux client is secret...21:39
MohammadAGyes, you have to talk to apt about it21:39
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MohammadAGor ChanServ21:39
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lolcatI will try to add the respitory on my phone21:40
MohammadAGRST38h, imma hack and reboot that!21:40
* lolcat has a stupid root password21:41
trxis it "root"?21:41
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lolcator something21:41
trxthats even worse :)21:41
MohammadAGwhat's worse is that when he joined the channel, he wasn't cloaked21:42
lolcatBah, I have to get back to work21:42
MohammadAGso you have 1) his IP, 2) his root password21:42
lolcatMohammadAG: ssh is turned off21:42
MohammadAGand sshd is probably running on port 2221:42
MohammadAGgood luck21:42
trxlol :D21:42
MohammadAGtsk tsk tsk21:42
MohammadAGwas it turned off or did you turn it off when I mentioned it? :P21:42
trxturning it off as we speak :)21:43
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RST38hjavispedro: Have you sent your request by FedEx?21:51
javispedrono, why?21:51
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DocScrutinizerbillyboy doesn't read email22:17
DocScrutinizertoo many geeks asking for documentation about win2.0 mousedrivers :-P22:18
DocScrutinizeror complaining about "win7 sucks!!1!!"22:18
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technomikeHey guys :)22:19
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MohammadAGhey technomike22:23
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Ex-OpesaIs there any way to view GIF images in maemo fremantle guys?22:34
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lcukEx-Opesa, microb i believe supports them23:03
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Ex-Opesalcuk: ah okay, thank you.23:14
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* timeless_mbp frowns23:46
timeless_mbphow do i export bookmarks from microb? :)23:46
satmdwasn't it just a modded firefox, if so it's a bookmarks.html23:48
timeless_mbpit's XBEL23:49
timeless_mbpbecause we were ordered to use a crappy format23:49
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timeless_mbpbut i don't want to know where .bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml lives23:49
timeless_mbpi want to know if anyone knows if we have an export feature23:49
* timeless_mbp thought there was one in diablo23:50
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* timeless_mbp can't find it in fremantle23:50
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MohammadAGcan't recall seeing it23:52
MohammadAGnope, no such option23:53
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, how do I restart browserd?23:53
MohammadAGthe init.d way isn't working23:53
timeless_mbpisn't working?23:53
MohammadAGI still see a white window with the moving bar23:53
MohammadAGmissing options from top menu bar23:54
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javispedrotimeless_mbp: I guess you might be able to use osso-backup, then grep the resulting zip file contents for your bookmarks =)23:54
timeless_mbpjavispedro: i could just cp -a the .bookmarks directory23:54
javispedrooh, there's one.23:55
javispedrothat's nice to know.23:55
timeless_mbpsadly, it turns out that ovi suite doesn't support syncing bookmarks (i insisted on not supporting such a stupid feature)23:55
timeless_mbpso my fears of ovi suite ruining my bookmarks were unfounded23:55
timeless_mbpbut the ui did lead me to fear it would do so23:55
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jacekowskii want bookmark sync23:57
jacekowskibut with opera link23:57
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eppmy n900 should be arriving in 2 days23:57
javispedrooh, I am sure single-vendor bookmark syncing works flawlessly23:57
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Venemotimeless_mbp: there should be a way to connect MicroB to Firefox Sync23:58
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jacekowskiwhy people are still buying phone with dead platform23:58
timeless_mbpthat's different23:58
javispedrojacekowski: every platform is dead :)23:58
timeless_mbpjavispedro: yeah, they just don't know it yet23:58
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