IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-12-27

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DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: wouldn't it be reasonable to require that the symbolic name contains a hint about the parameters? Like TANA_FI_FOO_%4dSEC_%sRESULT. This way you'd never experience 're-use of indentifiers on ABI break', and you also would avoid any ABI break on missing translation file, which could otherwise cause a SEGV or whatever00:01
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: one or two teams try doing that00:01
timeless_mbpthe problem with that is it breaks one of the invariants00:01
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timeless_mbpwhich is that a user who sees an unlocalized string can file a bug for it00:02
timeless_mbpif you have a value of %s = "", then you might end up w/ TANA_FI_FOO__BAR00:02
DocScrutinizeryep, I see00:02
timeless_mbpand not realize it's actually TANA_FI_FOO_%s_BAR00:02
DocScrutinizerassuming the leading part is unique, this wouldn't really break anything, no?00:03
timeless_mbpgiven how dumb our ui designers are00:04
timeless_mbpit'd be trivial for them to have TANA_FI_FOO_%d and TANA_FI_FOO_%s00:04
DocScrutinizermaybe use TANA_FI_FOO_#%4dSEC_#%sRESULT00:04
timeless_mbpif %s is 0, then you're stuck00:04
timeless_mbpthere's also the case where %s actually expands to *another* identifier00:05
timeless_mbpthis i00:05
timeless_mbps actually relatively common00:05
DocScrutinizerwell, a unique delimiter like # between first identifier part and second half parameter list would do00:06
DocScrutinizerthen teach ui designers everything after # is irrelevant00:06
DocScrutinizerthey might have heard that before00:07
* timeless_mbp sighs00:07
timeless_mbpteaching ui designers is clearly hard00:07
timeless_mbpremember, they're the problem here :)00:07
DocScrutinizerk, nm00:07
DocScrutinizerjust felt like mentioning it a last time00:07
timeless_mbpbut yeah, things like this are more or less the ways you could approach it00:08
timeless_mbpbut this last bit is really the killer00:08
timeless_mbpui designers come and go, and no useful training or enforcement comes00:08
timeless_mbpto get something that doesn't suck, you'd need to enforce api rules which are stricter than api rules used for C and similar methods00:08
timeless_mbpand you'd need someone to actually review ui designs w/ l10n/l12y concerns in mind00:09
timeless_mbpapparently around maemo2-3 they had a "process" for this00:09
timeless_mbpbut around maemo4 they discovered it was "overhead" and chose to "drop" it00:09
timeless_mbpnote that the process almost certainly didn't work00:09
timeless_mbpso dropping it wasn't really wrong00:10
timeless_mbp(i found errors in maemo2/3 strings just as easily as later ones)00:10
timeless_mbpthe problem is that while the step is necessary, you need to have someone clueful sitting in that step00:10
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DocScrutinizerfed up with nokiaN900d11agreed2200:12
* Gh0sty sends DocScrutinizer a duvel 00:14
DocScrutinizerHAHAHA, could use strace $BROWSER to find out which location user downloaded to00:15
Gh0stythat should get your mind off cursing :p00:15
DocScrutinizer~dict duvel00:15
infobotcould not find definition for duvel00:15
Gh0sty!google duvel moortgat00:16
zgoldbergResults for duvel moortgat on Google:00:16
Gh0stythe best belgian beer there is :p00:16
DocScrutinizeraaah nice00:16
DocScrutinizeryeah, exactly what I planned to do: go out, get a beer, and finally some decent food00:17
Gh0styyou never drunk that? :o00:17
Gh0styyou should definately come to fosdem then! :P00:17
Gh0stythere is a hole in your culture! :P00:17
Gh0stygreat ... a friggin flash website which is broken due to custom implementation of scrollbars00:18
Gh0stymarketing people SUCK!00:18
timeless_mbpsp3000: grr00:19
timeless_mbpwhy would the repository not have accurate info?00:19
DocScrutinizernspluginviewer: SEGV00:19
Gh0sty @ DocScrutinizer00:19
Gh0styshould give you an idea :p00:19
Gh0stythe -foolish- challenge exists that you get a cash deposit if you drink 10 in 1 hour and can still stand up straight :p00:20
Gh0stymost people need to be taken away due to alcohol poisoning :p00:21
DocScrutinizerafter 10 beer in 1 hour I have even mere volume problems00:21
* timeless_mbp sighs00:22
* timeless_mbp *hates* this crap00:22
Gh0styduvel is just too heavy ... its not possible ... :p00:22
DocScrutinizerI couldn't drink this amount of tap water00:22
Gh0styme neither :)00:22
Gh0styand I dont do foolish drinking games either00:22
Gh0styI enjoy a beer, a couple of beers00:22
Gh0stybut drinking to get drunk ... is not my thing00:22
DocScrutinizerand that's what I'll do now00:22
Gh0styenjoy! :)00:23
DocScrutinizerfind me a beer00:23
Gh0styI go for a jenever :p p00:23
Gh0styin the bar cabinet downstairs ;)00:23
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EheeHi all does anyone know if the N800 USB hardware and Diablo support isochronous I/O?00:24
EheeI have seen some people using web cams in host mode using kernel mods but i cant seem to find if they are using isochronous I/O. I would like to use libusb1 in isochronous mode to pull data from MS kinect and pass the data off via wifi. I have libusb1 and a test app built and the device connected and showing up in /dev/bus/usb... but i get errors when trying to use isochronous transfer to the cam d00:24
DocScrutinizerEhee: afaik the musb driver is missing the relevant bits00:25
DocScrutinizerEhee: dunno about N800 hardware00:26
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micadeyeyeI have a quick question. I want to build a package on pandaboard(OMAP 4430 processor), and I was wondering if I would be able to install the package on Nokia N900 (OMAP 3430 device). Which the package be successfully installed on the N900?00:27
DocScrutinizerwhere's my tea leafes00:28
timeless_mbpif you use the right sdk/libraries/headers/compiler/....00:28
DocScrutinizermeh, hop. Better than tea00:29
micadeyeyetimeless_mbp: thanks.00:29
EheeDoc: could you explain what bits are missing? i am using a custom build of libusb1 to connect so im not sure what parts of musb would be used00:31
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SpeedEvilEhee: musb is Mentor USB - it's the host adaptor in the SoC00:46
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SpeedEvilEhee: The driver is basically rather broken for host-mode, and only works in a very limited fashion.00:47
SpeedEvilEhee: So, ou might need to finish off the driver, and add isochronous mode. I don't know - I've never looked at it from that angle.00:47
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EheeSpeed: with a bit more digging and debug output i am getting a message to large error from a call to ioctl in the libusb1 code. It looks like the data being sent to the dev might be exceeding the max packet size. Do you know if /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1/bMaxPacketSize0 is the size of the largest packet that can be sent on the bus for any device?00:54
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SpeedEvilNo idea.00:56
Eheehmm ok00:56
SpeedEvilAre you sure it in fact implements isochronus transfers at all?00:56
Eheethe code i have, yes it is using iso00:57
SpeedEvilThe driver is not a complete hostmode driver, bits have been left off00:57
SpeedEvilNot the code - the driver00:57
Eheeyou mean the host mode driver in the kernel?00:57
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Eheei aboxm not loading any drivers that are not part of the base kernel. the devices are found and added to /dev... then the code i have uses libusb1 to manualy comunicate with the devices. the code works fine in scratchbox running on ubuntu so my guess is its the kernel usb drivers or the hardware that is causing the issues.01:00
SpeedEvilyes - the kernel USB drivers I mean - the host controller.01:00
SpeedEvilIt is one module.01:00
Eheeok, thanks whats the host mode mod name?01:03
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GeneralAntillesJaffa: cool.01:04
alteregoOr are you talking specifically kernel module name?01:04
SpeedEvilI'm unsure if it's a module. I think it's built-in.01:04
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alteregoThe host mode is a module01:05
alteregohcd something or other01:05
GeneralAntilles$10 Philippe De Swert is having a Nokia Ninja filled Christmas.01:06
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GeneralAntillesWoo, crazy person spamming my photostream.01:24
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lcukGeneralAntilles, wheres link?01:28
lcukyou have some awesome cars on there01:28
lcukcamera lens so good it can see back in time?01:28
lcukthe model T is cool01:28
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* timeless_mbp needs a better diff tool01:35
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timeless_mbpanyone have a diff tool which can use \n\n as the line sep? :)01:35
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GeneralAntilleslcuk: ^01:39
GeneralAntilleslcuk: yeah, often cool cars parked in front of the store.01:40
GeneralAntillesI haven't been very good about getting pictures, though.01:40
lcukcool though!01:40
lcukwhat other stores are nearby then?01:40
lcukor are all these people coming into the bookshop?01:40
GeneralAntillesThere's a Goodyear rubber store across the street. :P01:41
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GeneralAntillesAperture is mangling my tags.01:42
* GeneralAntilles must've forgotten a delimiter.01:42
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psycho_oreosI wonder if there's an app for line-in audio recording on n90001:44
MohammadAGprobably not01:44
MohammadAGas you need the 4th pin to switch it to line in01:44
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psycho_oreoshumm bugger thanks01:45
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DocScrutinizeryeah, fresh good milk :-) time for... 5199601:59
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PradeepDocScrutinizer, wts up brov02:04
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DocScrutinizerprintf "%x" 5196603:37
DocScrutinizercafe + 30 :-D03:37
DocScrutinizererr nope03:38
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DocScrutinizerprobably I should use a calculator to do the decimal<->hex conversions :-P03:39
nox-gdb also works03:39
DocScrutinizeralas infobot is useless03:40
DocScrutinizeronly knows base-1003:40
DocScrutinizerthough there she's amazing03:40
DocScrutinizer(14 ** 18) + 77703:41
DocScrutinizer~(14 ** 18) + 77703:41
DocScrutinizer~ 12!03:42
infoboti guess 12! is 479,001,60003:42
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DocScrutinizer~10 ** 7003:43
infobota number with quite a few digits...03:43
DocScrutinizer~10 ** 4003:43
infobota number with quite a few digits...03:43
DocScrutinizer~10 ** 3003:43
infobota number with quite a few digits...03:43
DocScrutinizer~10 ** 1503:43
DocScrutinizer65536 ** (1/2)03:45
DocScrutinizer~65536 ** (1/2)03:45
FIQ|n900oh, so microb actually had support for title="" info03:46
FIQ|n900but just in links/images03:46
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FIQ|n900and not the whole title :(03:50
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pupnik'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.' HAPPY FESTIVUS '.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'04:01
FIQ|n900hi pupnik04:02
pupnikhi FIQ|n90004:02
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DocScrutinizerhola pupnik04:07
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pupnikhey DocScrutinizer have a beer04:11
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DocScrutinizergot a beer04:12
DocScrutinizerand got milk for my cafe04:12
pupnikthose taste better if you don't mix em04:13
DocScrutinizeryeah, there was like a 90min and a meal in between them04:13
pupnikcheetos and tea for me, my man04:14
pupnikhelps to rotate your bad habits, like car tires04:15
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loft306anybody about that can tell me wtere to put a CA cert and or what else is needed besides the sasl script to get sasl working for freesoode on the n900?04:19
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loft306wiit can be PLAIN  like noh DH-BLOWFIST for now04:20
loft306crap my fingers are failing04:20
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loft306the error im getting with SSL is like no local cert04:21
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tzafrir_laptopmy N900 fails to power on06:26
tzafrir_laptopA few hours ago it almost ran out of battery. I managed to connect it to a USB charger after the second ring06:27
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DocScrutinizertzafrir_laptop: errrrm, then charge it?06:44
tzafrir_laptopDocScrutinizer, hmm... it seems the charger was faulty, indeed. Not sure why, as it worked before06:45
tzafrir_laptop(a few hours ago)06:45
tzafrir_laptopI've now switched to charging it from USB06:45
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timeless_mbpTrizt: ok, i think i've pushed my final version for a while09:59
* timeless_mbp will update, test and then publish for the world09:59
timeless_mbp(well, the small world)09:59
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* timeless_mbp needs to work on the corrupt package / repository error messages some day :(10:03
timeless_mbpTrizt: yeah, i think i'm good enough10:05
timeless_mbpyou should remove the <dot-number> from the repo path so that you don't get updates (or errors) from my beta repo :)10:07
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JaffaGAN900: no :)10:42
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Jaffakhertan: ping10:56
RST38hmoorning all10:56
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TriztN900morning, gosh I wish I could go home... hate to work...10:59
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yaccJust out of curiosity, could it be that does not support dbus introspection?11:30
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LantiziaHey anyone here got Plasma Mobile working on their N900 or know where to go to get it done?11:43
yaccPlasma Mobile?11:44
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psycho_oreoscare to explain?11:46
Lantizianot really - if you know what it is then you can help lol... if you don't know what it is then you can google :)11:48
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BCMM_Lantizia: kde plasma, right?11:54
yaccHow came that I cannot introspect mdbus2 just hangs, ...11:54
LantiziaBCMM_, indeed11:55
kerioyacc: because nokia11:55
yaccWell, so my finding that these Finnish trolls have left out the introspection API make sense?11:55
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BCMM_Lantizia: a little mean to demand people google when you haven't... the n900 is the only platform plasma mobile has been tried on so far, afaik12:05
LantiziaBCMM_, and how do you know I haven't?12:06
BCMM_Lantizia: and
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Lantiziaseen them12:06
sivangmorning people12:08
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BCMM_well, one of those actually has a video of somebody "getting plasma mobile working on their n900", and the other says when it might be stable12:08
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BCMM_yacc, psycho_oreos: plasma is KDE's desktop widget thing, amongst other things12:10
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psycho_oreosBCMM_, now that sounds vaguely familiar, I had to muck around with that for superkaramba on xfce12:11
BCMM_it draws the panel and so on, and also supports things like google gadgets, and it's own native desktop applets written in qt and python12:11
BCMM_psycho_oreos: yeah, it supporrs superkaramba applets too12:11
BCMM_it replaces superkaramba, kdesktop and the kde panel from kde312:11
yaccBCMM_, yeah, not being really a KDE user ;)12:12
BCMM_the applets can also be compiled c++ qt applications12:13
BCMM_basically, the kde panel and desktop, including widgets12:13
BCMM_for example, the kde taskbar is now implemented as a plasma widget12:13
BCMM_people are working on running it on mobiles because it has a large library of widgetty thing; news and weather and so on12:14
RST38hHow is the performance though?12:15
BCMM_well, vid is smoothish, iirc12:15
BCMM_ofc, depends on the widget; that's a bit like asking how xorg performs12:16
BCMM_well written plasma stuff is pretty light on systems where 2d accel works properly12:16
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DocScrutinizeryacc: (Finnish trolls) yep, well known fact. That's why Mickey included that notice about "relies on proper introspection" in the first place, afaik12:35
DocScrutinizeryacc: though it shouldn't hang aiui. Maybe take some 90s to get a dbus timeout, but not hang12:36
yaccDocScrutinizer: that sucks ;(12:36
yaccDocScrutinizer: so it's using strings on the icd2 binary?12:37
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yaccI just want to have a method to check the currently connected connection, ...12:37
DocScrutinizerask more savvy poeple than me, like lcuk. They have an excuse for that12:37
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DocScrutinizeryacc: you're aware of the phonecontrol wikipage?12:38
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yaccYeah, but it does not include a call to GET the current connection, or I've consumed to much Methanol and am turning blind ;)12:39
DocScrutinizer(excuse) I understood it would've been much more work to implement introspection - though I can't really see why that is12:40
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TrackerDPPhello all12:40
yaccDocScrutinizer: I just want to make sure that a "connect" call really did succeed, ...12:41
TrackerDPPhow i proced to install backtrack on my N900 ?12:42
yaccOne classical algorithm would be while(variable != TARGET_VALUE) { do_something_so_that_variable_becomes(TARGET_VALUE); sleep(sometime); }12:42
aslaniX-Fade: ping12:42
DocScrutinizeryacc: I have not the faintest idea about icd's dbus methods. So I can't really help. Just suggest usual *burp*, like using strings on the binary etc12:42
X-Fadeaslani: pong12:43
yaccDocScrutinizer: yeah, I thought of strings myself, well I guess I might do it tonight.12:43
fralsDocScrutinizer: probably because the metods are not supposed to be used by other applications as they are not stable? ;-)12:43
yaccIt sucks to have to check manually if the dummy connection "USB connection" is online, ...12:43
aslaniX-Fade: someone broke
yaccaslani, that's what you get from letting small kids play with keyboards :-P12:43
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X-Fadeaslani: Queue Shaggi.....         "It wasn't me"12:44
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DocScrutinizerfrals: who was it to suggest "never assume malice, when mere incompetence or sloppiness will explain everything"12:44
X-Fadeaslani: Can't ssh into the webservers.12:45
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aslanihm... this might be a problem12:45
X-Fadeaslani: So that must be ISP internal network down or something like that.12:45
DocScrutinizersounds like javispedro, jaffa, or GAN90012:45
X-Fadeaslani: Correction, can't even reach the whole server farm.12:46
RobbieThe1stDoc: "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity"12:46
X-Fadeaslani: So datacenter issue.12:46
RobbieThe1stAnd I think it's been around for many years...12:46
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: or that :-D12:46
MohammadAGX-Fade, went down with it eh?12:46
aslaniok, a small problem then12:46
alteregoSounds like something GAN would say though12:46
X-FadeMohammadAG: Well no ... and yes.12:46
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X-FadeMohammadAG: You can access the debs, but not the directory indexes or dynamic files.12:47
MohammadAGX-Fade, so I should be able to test the SSU?12:47
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X-FadeMohammadAG: Not sure, try it out :)12:47
aslaniX-Fade: want me to contact ISP or just wait?12:48
X-Fadeaslani: If you can call their hotline? Your finnish is a lot better than mine.12:48
aslaniX-Fade: roger that. I'll give them a call12:48
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X-Fadeaslani: But my guess is "we are having network issues" or "Our datacenter burnt down"12:49
alteregoX-Fade, my apps screenshot isn't showing up in downloads12:49
X-Fadealterego: Well I can't even check downloads atm :)12:49
alteregoWell, are the images moderated?12:50
X-Fadealterego: But there is a bug about that screenshot issue, which aslani is following up on iirc.12:50
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: I hope it's akamei's datacenter :-D12:50
yaccX-Fade, well, with my cable ISP it's usually enough to try to reach their call center. If there is a problem, they change the tape to say something like "sorry for the long wait time, we are experiencing a nuclear melt down in areacodes 1234" ;)12:50
yaccThen you don't even have to wait for an operator.12:50
alteregoX-Fade: cool, good to know :)12:50
aslaniX-Fade: yeah, "network issues" hopefully soon over, but you never know12:50
alteregoOh, is down?12:51
aslaniit is12:51
X-Fadealterego: Scroll up a few lines more ;)12:51
alteregot.m.o is fine :)12:51
alteregot.m.o is fine :)12:52
DocScrutinizer'³!!@*###!!€ĦЧª® N810 unsolicited reboot12:52
alteregoAh, cool12:52
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DocScrutinizerSo the 9 days uptime since swapping battery were mere incidence12:52
* alterego looks for things to do12:52
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alteregoThink I'll start working on that personaly finance app today.12:53
alteregoGonna do it in Qt Quick12:53
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: umm, connection refused. Hardly a fire12:55
alteregoGod, all the newbs got 'droids for Christmas and are now spreading it all over tmo it seems.12:56
zapX-Fade: hi! how about fixing unzip till new year? :-)12:56
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Yeah, network issues. Probably their routers.12:56
X-Fadezap: Shall we start over? Shall I wipe all versions?12:56
zapX-Fade: anything that would work :)12:57
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zap(only for fremantle)12:57
X-Fadezap: I tried to fix it a few times but somehow never managed to get it right.12:57
zapDiablo seems okay12:57
X-Fadezap: Yeah, only for fremantle.12:57
zapFremantle Extras-testing free armelunzip 6.0-1maemo112:57
zapFremantle Extras-testing free i386unzip 6.0-1maemo112:57
zapthese two12:57
X-Fadezap: Is -devel fine?12:58
zapI have submitted the sources again, but they still did not appear12:58
* alterego sips some more coffee12:58
DocScrutinizerunzip? isn't that in tools?12:58
zapDocScrutinizer: this is unzip 6.012:58
X-Fadezap: ok, will wipe it all there too and then we can start from scratch.12:58
X-Fadezap: once the network to the servers is back.12:59
DocScrutinizerakamai's xmess present :-D12:59
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: No, that is not akamai.13:00
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: But I guess you can do a reverse lookup too :)13:01
DocScrutinizeryou locked Asange's account on garage? ;-D13:01
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: it's not one of my everyday practices, but I guess I still get it without reading a howto, yes13:02
alteregoI wonder if he's still just down the road from me.13:02
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: ping, copy ip, whois <ip> :)13:03
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DocScrutinizerI wonder... yeah, ofc dns works, even when ping stalls13:04
X-FadeAs long as your dns servers are outside and ttl hasn't expired.13:05
DocScrutinizerstill I prefer a dig maemo.org13:05
Ellementcan somone please shed some light on this for me, i'm getting the error on boot "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device".13:05
DocScrutinizerLogica Finland Oy13:07
infobotit has been said that down is hell, or the enemy's gate, or where you were last weekened13:07
alteregoGot this for xmas from my gfs mom:
alteregoIt's really neat, even if it is ms13:07
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MohammadAGalterego, MS hardware's cool tbh13:08
MohammadAGalterego, I have a bluetrack mouse13:08
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DocScrutinizerEllement: sounds nasty. Problems with your SIM?13:09
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MohammadAGit was sexy, till the side decided to react with sth and the paint went away13:09
DocScrutinizerEllement: please look at dmesg, search for any related error messages13:10
Ellementi swapped with another sim, same problem13:10
DocScrutinizerbah, who needs paint?13:10
DocScrutinizerEllement: eeew13:10
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EllementDocScrutinizer: where is dmesg, can i read it using terminal?13:11
* MohammadAG install Xbox 360 remote13:11
DocScrutinizerEllement: I suggest you reflash rootfs. What's been the last (significant) thing you did on the phone?13:11
MohammadAGalterego, err, Xbox 360 not included? that should be in the description!13:11
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MohammadAGI want my money back13:11
DocScrutinizerEllement: sure. just type >>dmesg<< in terminal13:11
EllementDocScrutinizer: Dropped it in toilet :O13:12
DocScrutinizerno kidding?13:12
Ellementnope, on xmas eve too, bad day for me13:12
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alteregoMohammadAG: :P13:12
MohammadAGdrop it in a pack of rice13:12
DocScrutinizerforget it. Device is dead13:12
Ellementyeh i have done that13:12
DocScrutinizerFSCK RICE!!!!13:12
MohammadAGmake a funeral13:12
Ellementwas day b4 xmas eve sorry, so sat in rice for a few days13:13
DocScrutinizer~spank MohammadAG13:13
* infobot bends MohammadAG over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on MohammadAG's pasty white buttocks.13:13
RobbieThe1stWell, you can -try- disassembling it entirely, make sure there13:13
RobbieThe1st's no residue left over13:13
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: 2 days with battery and water? device is dead13:13
RobbieThe1stYou've got a chance there, I suppose13:13
Ellementi unscrewed it, and wiped it down then left it unscewred/opened up in rice13:13
RobbieThe1stBut it boots, right? It's just the communications module that doesn't13:14
alteregoMohammadAG: starting a new app today, in Qt Quick/Qml13:14
Ellementyeh its boots13:14
Ellementjust get error msg13:14
MohammadAGalterego, which is?13:14
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DocScrutinizerEllement: keep device in a warm place (50..60°C) for ONE WEEK13:14
DocScrutinizerWITHOUT BATTERY13:14
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Ellementu think even now do that?13:15
DocScrutinizerpreferably disassembled13:15
MohammadAGAll telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device.13:15
DocScrutinizerEllement: it's the only thing except buying a new one you can do13:16
Ellementi thought i could maybe flash it?13:16
DocScrutinizerdon't do that13:16
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, the device is fine, the modem's dead13:16
RobbieThe1stNo, basicly that means the communications module can't be contacted... Right?13:16
alteregoMohammadAG: It's a personal finance management ap.13:16
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: so what?13:16
Ellementis there a way to test the modem is dead?13:16
alteregoAnyhow bbiab13:16
Ellementor communication module is dead13:16
RobbieThe1stHm... out of curiosity, what does "ifconfig" say?13:17
MohammadAGalterego, :)13:17
Ellementill see13:17
MohammadAGdmesg | pastebinit13:17
alteregoEllement: you're the salt water guy right?13:17
Ellementtoilet guy13:17
DocScrutinizerdon't confuse Ellement !  His device was fine before the accident. No flashing and no ifconfig will repair it13:17
Ellement>> ifconfig not found13:18
RobbieThe1stas root13:18
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alteregoAh, well, like they said, l.ey it dry out in a warm place for a few days13:18
RobbieThe1stDoc: I'm just curious as to whether -everything-'s dead, just the GSM module, or what?13:18
alteregoYou can speed things up if you take it appart (not recommended unless you really are prepared)13:18
Ellementi did unscrew it b4 to dry out13:19
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DocScrutinizerEllement: every minute with power will further destroy your device. REMOVE BATTERY *NOW*13:19
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DocScrutinizerDRY IT13:19
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RobbieThe1stHe's already dried it for days. More than likely there's a bit of residue that's connected between two contacts. I think13:19
RobbieThe1stOr it got fried right at the beginning13:20
Ellementill leave it for a few more days and try again13:20
Venemohey guys13:20
MohammadAGhi Venemo13:20
RobbieThe1stAs far as water goes, It may not be an N900, but I took an old(dual-core) Dell workstation that had been out in the rain for quite a while with the case side open, cleaned it all out with WD40 and compressed air... And I've got a new PC. Surprising, considering the slightly corroded terminals.13:20
DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: yes. possibly. Depends on the water in toilet (sorry). If it was "clean" then probably only water remaining somewhere. Rice is a BAD idea to dry device13:21
alteregoLucky :)13:21
Ellementwas clean, was it rice bad?13:21
RobbieThe1stI won't disagree there13:21
RobbieThe1stIt's just that rice probably wouldn't get it all13:21
DocScrutinizerEllement: if however the water was with detergent or sth, you probably should rinse device with ethanol13:21
RobbieThe1stDoc: would you suggest putting it in an oven at what... 100F?13:22
DocScrutinizerPC fan, or similar13:22
DocScrutinizerfor LOOONG time13:22
RobbieThe1st131F, that sounds about right...13:22
DocScrutinizera week, or more13:22
Ellementthanks for all your advice, ill touch base again in a few days and let you know how its going13:23
DocScrutinizermake sure the temperature doesn't rise above 80..90°C or your dvice will melt13:23
tybollt_must... not... recommend... microwave...13:23
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RobbieThe1stMicrowave... Not a good idea. Mainly because of the antennas.13:24
RobbieThe1stYou can fry a RFID chip in just a few seconds with one of those! >:313:24
DocScrutinizermicrowave is a sure means to kill microelectronics13:24
* timeless_xchat pokes mohammadag13:25
DocScrutinizerbattlefield aproved13:25
* MohammadAG pokes timeless_mbp 13:25
timeless_xchatmohammadag, so, did you try it?13:25
DocScrutinizermicrowave also works excellent to erase CDs forever :-D13:26
MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, just noticed the PM13:26
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, so it's a quick way to erase CD-RWs? :P13:26
DocScrutinizeras well13:26
RobbieThe1stProvided you don't want -anyone- to ever have to use it, sure13:26
DocScrutinizerthough beware! CIA can recover even those13:27
MohammadAGeven if I shred it?13:27
tybollt_DocScrutinizer: there was a thread about a sure means to insta-kill a HDD if the coppers come raid your home. Many suggested the microwave. For an old mechanical disk in a solid metal housing - you think it'd work quickly?13:27
MohammadAGthen rebuild it again13:27
MohammadAGand shred it13:27
DocScrutinizerthen it's a bit harder for them, MohammadAG13:27
MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, 40413:27
MohammadAGlol DocScrutinizer13:27
DocScrutinizertybollt_: useless futile nonsense13:28
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psycho_oreosnothing beats thermite :)13:28
RobbieThe1stSpeaking of microwaves, killing those stupid debit-card-rfid chips is easy - stick it in for 5 seconds, and you've got an undamaged card(mag strip works fine), with a nice little black dot where the chip used to be. >:313:28
DocScrutinizertybollt_: move to >15th floor. Then just throw it out the window13:28
tybollt_bruahaha :)13:29
DocScrutinizermake sure there's concrete where it lands13:29
DocScrutinizeronly semi-safe way. Better way: fire. But that takes quite a time13:29
psycho_oreoslike I said, thermite13:29 is offline?13:30
MohammadAGwouldn't a WMD work too? :P13:30
DocScrutinizerbest way: low level format the HDD13:30
MohammadAGGuySoft, it's dead, for now13:30
* MohammadAG would bomb it, fastest way13:30
DocScrutinizerimpossible to recover, despite the legends suggesting different13:30
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timeless_xchatmohammadag, thanks, fixed13:31
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DocScrutinizerplease somebody pinf the chanops when is back to life13:32
* MohammadAG uses /cs topic sometimes, lets chanserv set the topic13:32
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that's much more inconvenient than that nice texteditor box in Konversation13:33
MohammadAGA team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation.13:34
MohammadAGIf you see them, show them this information:13:34
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DocScrutinizerthere's some topicappend, maybe even prepend, but anyway13:34
DocScrutinizertime for 1264843013:36
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]good morning all, hope you all having a good holidays13:42
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]busy working on a portrait homescreen using qbw. i can get the icons fine and even done a portrait flipclock.13:46
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]does anyone know how to do vertical text instead of horizontal in qbw?13:47
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: ^^^13:52
MohammadAGNever used QBW DocScrutinizer13:52
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alteregoQueen Beacon thingy?13:53
DocScrutinizernot even sure what it is. Anyway thought portrait is interesting for you13:53
MohammadAGyeah alterego13:53
alteregoYeah, never used it myself.13:53
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it's just a widget that executes commands13:53
MohammadAGbasically, it's still landscape13:53
DocScrutinizeryeah, know queenB13:54
BluesLeeqbw is cool13:54
alteregoMy girlfriend is going to Paris for two weeks tomorrow, can you imagine the hackathon I'm gonna be having :D13:54
MohammadAGIt's cool, but it's not the portrait that interests me :P13:54
MohammadAGalterego, yeah, she'll find you high on Qt when she's back13:54
DocScrutinizerI started with desktop execution widget and never felt like giving quennB a try13:54
alteregoI wonder how we could manage portrait widgets in hildon.13:55
RST38hEHLO Mohammad, Doc13:55
MohammadAGhe isn't alterego13:55
MohammadAGhe's just adding rotated contents13:55
BluesLeei dont need portrait mode13:55
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MohammadAGhey RST38h13:55
DocScrutinizerhi RST38h13:55
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]yeah, rotated the png files for flipclock13:55
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]i'd like to replicate the statud13:56
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]s menu that d4rklar did13:56
alteregoMohammadAG: I know, just wondering if we can do a hildon desktop with portrait support one day.13:57
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DocScrutinizerthat's why I pinged MohammadAG13:57
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alteregoI'd also like configurable shortcuts.13:57
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alteregokeyboard short cuts, moving out xterm binding and such to an ini file or something.13:58
alteregoHell, gconf I don't care :)13:58
DocScrutinizerwell, xchat keybindings *are* an ini file13:59
alteregoI mean hd bindings like ctrl-shift-x13:59
DocScrutinizerwe need some system wide universal shortcut handler though14:00
alteregoI want ctrl-shift-w to be web14:00
alteregoDocScrutinizer: well, it is14:00
DocScrutinizeraugmented functionality *inside* kbd driver14:01
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DocScrutinizeralso aware of some system/device-states, like which app has focus, portrait/landscape, a few more14:02
alteregoWell, a better shortcutd which is context aware then14:02
DocScrutinizercapable of recording and playback of true macros, and sending out dbus and doing execve or other means to start processes14:03
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timeless_mbpMohammadAG: so, how's it feel?14:03
DocScrutinizermulti-key shortcuts14:03
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DocScrutinizerblue-ctl-F, 1 -> F1 .  Blue-ctl-F, DOT, 1 -> F1114:05
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Khertan_Morning all !14:09
DocScrutinizerblue-down, ctl-down, UP, blue-up, <[0-7]{3} "octal number">, ctl-up  -> arbitrary keycode as defined by "octal number", as in ALTGR+NK on a PC14:09
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Khertan_DocScrutinizer: ?14:13
* DocScrutinizer just noticed this ALTGR+NK doesn't work on his laptop and wonders if that's been a function of the keyboard's controller14:14
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DocScrutinizerKhertan_: ??14:17
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* Khertan_ didn't just understand what you were talking about blue-down, ctl-down ... 14:18
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DocScrutinizerKhertan_: I tossed out a few examples of how to use the free multikey macro function in jrkbddrv (yet to come) to input function keys or arbitrary keys of which you know the keycode14:20
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DocScrutinizerjust creating a forth alike macro definition language in my mind14:22
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: just creating a forth  macro definition language in my mind14:23
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, after lots of network diagnostics14:28
MohammadAGit's failing to download14:28
timeless_mbp?! :(14:28
DocScrutinizerI anticipate the bitching and flaming of kernel devels about layering violations, when such a driver dared to talk to dbus14:29
MohammadAGHAM gets the size and all, but not the deb itself14:29
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ever used flash LED hardware?14:33
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DocScrutinizerwhat's that?14:33
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RST38hTrolls 2.0 at tmo14:33
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, a friend's N95 has an always on flash14:34
DocScrutinizerRST38h: sure, as they can't troll on [^(talk)].maemo.org14:34
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you mean the flash/videolight LED(s) won't ever shut down, or what?14:35
* DocScrutinizer ponders to prepare a tea, for the leaves14:36
MohammadAGyes, the white LED, but the N95 has no flashlight support14:36
MohammadAGso i'm guessing it's a HW problem14:37
DocScrutinizeror reflash :-P14:37
MohammadAGhe did14:37
DocScrutinizerwell, then it's obviously hw14:37
DocScrutinizera quite amazing bug14:38
DocScrutinizerwell, not really14:38
DocScrutinizera short in one transistor in the controller chip is sufficient to cause this14:39
MohammadAGi'm surprised it hasn't died yet14:39
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: grr14:39
* timeless_mbp doesn't get it14:39
timeless_mbpthis worked fine earlier14:39
DocScrutinizerthis transistor has to cope with rather considerable current spikes, so it's not unusual it fails that way14:40
MohammadAGas again, it has no support for a flashlight14:40
* timeless_mbp wonders what else is wrong14:40
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: what means "no support for flashlight"?14:42
MohammadAGthe N95 can't turn on its fashlight14:42
DocScrutinizererrr, so it's a dummy?14:43
MohammadAGnormally that is14:43
SiceloMohammadAG: could be a problem with ribbon cable14:43
DocScrutinizerthat started to emit light ?14:43
* alterego wonders how long it's gonna be until maemo is back up ..14:43
trxhe meant you cant turn it on whenever u want14:43
MohammadAGno, it's only supported in still mode14:43
MohammadAGalterego, NEVAR14:44
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: oh14:44
timeless_mbpit's trying to get gettext from extras14:44
timeless_mbpand's repo is hosed14:44
timeless_mbpnote to self: don't depend on infra14:44
DocScrutinizerI was too humble to suggest to check that14:45
timeless_mbplemme see if i can pull a gettext out of a hat14:45
* timeless_mbp wonders where such a hat would be14:45
DocScrutinizeranywhere upstream?14:46
crashanddieGAN900: kindle arrived14:46
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crashanddieGAN900: it proudly said "Congratulations for purchasing your first Kindle, Elisabeth"14:46
* MohammadAG has it14:47
crashanddiewell, GAN bought it for me, probably with his sister's account or something, I dunno14:47
MohammadAGgettext that is14:47
crashanddieand if you don't check "This is a gift", it links it to the account14:47
MohammadAGcrashanddie, admit it, you changed your name .P14:48
timeless_mbpcrashanddie: does the account include any interesting books? :)14:48
crashanddienha, just a sample14:48
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DocScrutinizercool, so now you can access Elisabeth's Amazon account?14:48
crashanddieabout nurses or something14:48
crashanddienha, I deregistered it, and created an account for the girlfriend14:48
crashanddieshe's happy as, really enjoys the device14:48
crashanddieand the fact she can now use her kindle to read her email without using my computer is double bonus14:49
DocScrutinizerfor her or for you? :-P14:49
crashanddieme :D14:49
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: so, um... wanna try using a command line and dealing w/ the dependency failures? :(14:49
* timeless_mbp now doesn't have the package installed on this device :(14:49
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RST38hcrashanddie: You do understand that Amazon now knows you as Elizabeth? =)14:50
crashanddienope, they don;t14:50
crashanddiecuz GAN bought the kindle, not me :P14:50
DocScrutinizerthey do!14:50
DocScrutinizerthey know EVRYTNG14:51
crashanddieanyway, 'later14:51
crashanddiehappy happy, joy joy14:51
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DocScrutinizeronce you stepped on the kindle, they even know the size of your shoes14:52
RST38hDepends on whether you manage to destroy its wireless antenna quickly enough14:52
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders what details you can deduce from close monitoring of a persons book reading habits14:55
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RST38hIs this the final evolutionary stage for TMO posters, or should we expect more "development"?14:55
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RST38hDoc: DHS says you can deduce if they are terrorists or not14:56
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: hi!14:56
RST38hHello, javispedro14:56
DocScrutinizerRST38h: >>Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.<<14:56
DocScrutinizerRST38h: I guess there's room for development14:57
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: (deduce) you also know when is best time to raid their home14:59
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, installing14:59
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Venemohi again15:04
RST38hDoc: "451oF" covers the book thing rather extensively. There isn't much to add.15:04
* noobmonk3y feels betetr after a nice little rant on tmo :)15:04
noobmonk3yhey Venemo15:04
noobmonk3yhey achipa15:04
achipahey noobmonk3y15:04
noobmonk3y :P15:05
pupnikhey, where there's rants there's life15:05
noobmonk3ylol pupnik v true :)15:05
Venemohello noobmonk3y :)15:05
noobmonk3yhaven't had a good rant in a while :)15:05
MohammadAGhey noobmonk3y15:06
MohammadAGwb Venemo15:06
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noobmonk3yhey MohammadAG!! :)15:06
noobmonk3yhappy xmas and all the trimmings etc :p15:06
noobmonk3yif you celebrate xmas? lol15:06
Venemohe doesn't15:06
noobmonk3yoh well, booze and extra bacon... lol allways a reason to celebrate ;) hehe15:07
MohammadAGMerry Christmas though :P15:07
noobmonk3ythat guy does have a point, the new healthchek does suck lol15:08
noobmonk3yso time for another rebuild i think15:08
noobmonk3ybut thats the point of developing, try try try again lol15:08
Venemonoobmonk3y, I added one of your images to Puzzle Master if you don't mind15:09
noobmonk3yVenemo, of course not!15:09
noobmonk3y:) :) :)15:09
noobmonk3ythankyou! :)15:09
Venemono, I thank you15:09
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Venemopeople like your pic, so I might add another one someday15:09
noobmonk3yhehehe cool! ty! you welcome to add any you want :015:09
Venemook, thx noobmonk3y :)15:10
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Khertan_[14:08] <noobmonk3y> but thats the point of developing, try try try again lol <<< it s try, fail, try, fail, try, fail again :)15:16
DocScrutinizernoobmonk3y: try - fail - try harder - fail better :-P15:16
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: did it install?15:16
DocScrutinizerbtw, MohammadAG and bacon? I don't see those two going together well15:18
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, yep, and the strings got changed correctly15:18
timeless_mbphow's it feel?15:18
DocScrutinizernoobmonk3y: MohammadAG also said he's not interested in booze15:18
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, a bit weird, I'm used to long strings in settings P15:19
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: not all strings are shorter15:19
timeless_mbpif the strings need to be longer to explain what they're doing, they'll be longer15:19
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: but try installing something :)15:19
timeless_mbp(there's a splash screen available from that repository, you could install it)15:20
noobmonk3ylol doc :)15:20
Venemowhat's wrong with maemo.org15:21
timeless_mbpVenemo: holiday vacations15:21
DocScrutinizersee /topic15:21
timeless_mbpeven servers get them15:21
Venemotimeless_mbp: heh.15:22
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DocScrutinizereeew, netsplit?15:22
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, I like the changes done to nm15:22
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: thanks15:23
timeless_mbpthose are new15:23
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: can you please confirm one change for me?15:23
timeless_mbpthere's a don't sync when battery is exhausted (or something like that)15:23
X-FadeGuess where Finland's national railway system is hosted ;)15:23
timeless_mbpi need to know if that setting means <never sync> or <always sync>15:23
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MohammadAGX-Fade, in, umm, finland? :P15:24
timeless_mbpthe UI spec is silent on what it does (i could read the code, but....), and the original ui is ambiguous15:24
X-FadeMohammadAG: Same datacenter. Which seems to have a power failure.15:24
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, it means never sync when battery's under 15%15:24
MohammadAGX-Fade, sorry, my Finnish is a bit rusty :P15:25
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: oh, i know what the 15%, 5% and 20% mean15:25
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: the  last one is the one that interests me15:25
timeless_mbpit was 'Never'15:25
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timeless_mbpbut it's hard to know if they meant 'Don't sync Never' or 'Don't sync Ever'15:25
Shapeshifteranyone else syncing google calendar? for some reason, manual syncs seem to work while automatic periodal syncs fail. the I go to the status, hit 'sync manually' and then it says 'connected' and works15:25
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timeless_mbpShapeshifter: mfe?15:26
Shapeshiftertimeless_mbp: yes15:26
libbenim getting some repos problem15:27
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libbenthis is my repos list
timeless_mbplibben: perhaps you should read the channel topic?15:27
timeless_mbpor the last 10 lines of the irc channel...15:27
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yaccShapeshifter, well, my guess would be that the Exchange ActiveSync quality piece of software on googles side is far from perfect. Furthermore the connectivity of the n900 via WLAN/cellular networks is not always perfect, can be that the ActiveSync client is sensitive to say slow DNS or other problems like that.15:28
libbenheh =) so maemo is down for the moment15:28
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DocScrutinizerwb everybody15:28
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, never disable sync, even if the battery is 0%15:28
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Shapeshifteryacc: mhh. I'll try erminig15:28
MohammadAGi.e keep syncing till the battery dies15:28
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: ok15:28
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GeneralAntillesUSPS fail.15:30
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: good15:30
timeless_mbpso i guessed correctly15:31
DocScrutinizer~wtf usps15:31
infobotGee...  I don't know what usps means...15:31
DocScrutinizer~dict usps15:31
infobotDictionary 'usps' an independent federal agency that provides mail processing and delivery service for individuals and businesses in the United States15:31
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yaccShapeshifter, as the n900 software stack uses mostly just normal socket operations for networking, hence if they've used some ready-to-use component for ActiveSync it might be nonperfect for the spotty network connectivity that a mobile device might provide.15:31
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DocScrutinizerwhich reminds me about the rsync job I planned to hook up to my laptop's crontab15:33
DocScrutinizeror should I trigger that rsync from N900?15:34
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yaccShapeshifter, if it makes you happy, I do have similar problems, but then, I don't care overly, as the n900 has become the canon of my data, as I'm connecting it via VNC when at the desktop, ...15:41
yaccBtw, is there a way to get an alternate word completion on the n900? (if it knows more than one word for the prefix, so I can view all the known endings?)15:43
Shapeshifteryacc: seems like erminig works okay. it can sync multiple calendars which is great15:45
DocScrutinizerwhat's QThreadStorage ?15:45
yaccDocScrutinizer: My guess would Thread-Local storage?15:45
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DocScrutinizer(x86) kate: QThreadStorage: Thread 0x8050008 exited after QThreadStorage 2147483636 destroyed15:46
DocScrutinizerI wonder why I'd be interested in that15:46
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yaccDocScrutinizer: Well, you are interested in creation/destruction of almost any object in C++. Actually you might be interested in that even in garbage-collected languages, ...15:50
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DocScrutinizerbut not as a user running kate from cmdline :-D15:50
yaccDocScrutinizer: Well, you know how it is with debugging messages, ...15:51
DocScrutinizeryeah :-S15:51
DocScrutinizerlazy coders assuming you have to run their app 2>/dev/null 1>&2, just because they're too sloppy to clean out their debug printfs properly15:53
johnsqDocScrutinizer: :)15:53
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javispedrogod no15:54
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javispedroyou should reward those lazy developers15:54
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javispedrothey're a godsend when you're trying to RE some component =)15:54
DocScrutinizeryeah, but actually I'd appreciate more if they'd regard --debug cmdline parameter15:55
loft306vtann so wget for the n900?15:55
loft306hat no wget for the n900?15:55
loft306what no wget for the n900?15:55
loft306not my typing yet15:56
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loft306i ttisk im about to set up the bitt to use deb packages15:57
DocScrutinizerPackage: wget15:57
DocScrutinizer1.10.2-2osso3 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-testing_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status)15:57
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loft306vwhy cant i findthat DocScrutinizer15:57
DocScrutinizerno idea15:58
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loft306i got tnesting15:58
DocScrutinizerapt-get install wget?15:58
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DocScrutinizerthough right atm you might face problems with repos down15:59
Spookjerepos seem to be back up again..15:59
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loft306yay used apt first time on the thing16:00
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Spookjebugs is also dead..16:02
psycho_oreosyeah they were squished because the when httpd died it landed on the bugs16:02
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* pupnik pictures an alternate 2007 with a series of phones and tablets running maemo16:05
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pupnikon the other hand that was probably just too early16:07
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loft306DocScrutinizer trip ower the powercord?16:14
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javispedrohe tripped but couldn't recover balance right until finland, where the power cord is16:15
loft306 :)16:15
trumeetimeless_mbp: The gsm applet looks ugly now16:15
timeless_mbptrumee: picture?16:15
trumeetimeless_mbp: The text is too big16:15
timeless_mbp(or url where i can install it, but given that is shaky...)16:16
loft306updating and the timeless updates taking forever16:16
trumeetimeless_mbp: its is called 2G/3G applet  i think16:16
timeless_mbploft306: you blaming me for something?16:17
trumeetimeless_mbp: 3G/2G/Dual Mode Selection Applet16:17
timeless_mbptrumee: afaict, the maemo repositories are unhappy16:17
timeless_mbpwhich means it isn't practical for me to install, picture please?16:17
loft306always stuck at 99%16:18
trumeetimeless_mbp: what is the keystroke for screenshot?16:18
loft306tey anyone get sasl working is xchat or irssi for freesode as the n900?16:19
loft306on the16:19
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trumeetimeless_mbp: strange it is not capturing on my device16:20
loft306i know i need prob perl tostart with16:20
timeless_mbptrumee: um, it goes to ~/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/ or something16:20
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timeless_mbpoh, cute16:23
timeless_mbpyeah, um...16:23
timeless_mbpusing strings from another domain is a bad idea16:23
DocScrutinizerctl like "I'm in control", shift like "you might slip off the table!" and p like "print-screen now!"16:23
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trumeetimeless_mbp: maybe the defaults were better.16:24
trumeeDocScrutinizer: any idea how can i get to the previous command i typed in xchat. Arrow keys causes the window to scroll only in xchat.16:25
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: i followed your setting of xchat if you remember.16:26
timeless_mbptrumee: please switch your locale to Polish16:26
timeless_mbpand try the applet16:26
timeless_mbpor finnish16:26
DocScrutinizertrumee: heh, that scrolling by arrows was something *I* set on *my* xchat some 4 weeks ago :-P16:26
trumeetimeless_mbp: how?16:26
timeless_mbppotentially czeck or danish16:26
trumeetimeless_mbp: Regional Settings?16:26
timeless_mbptrumee: open settings>language and region16:26
DocScrutinizerI also mapped cmd history to shift-up/down16:26
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i would like that :)16:27
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trumeetimeless_mbp: there is no Finland in the country list?16:27
timeless_mbpselect in this order: Polski,  Suomi, Čeština, Dansk16:28
timeless_mbpnot country list, language16:28
timeless_mbp(requires reboot)16:28
loft306im thinking easier to kust use TOR16:28
trumeetimeless_mbp: yeah, now rebooting16:28
timeless_mbptrumee: i think you'll find that at least the first two, and potentially the last two all fail16:28
timeless_mbpand those are official localizations16:29
trumeetimeless_mbp: i selected Polska in the Country and it went for a reboot16:29
timeless_mbptrumee: not country, language :)16:29
timeless_mbp(There's a difference...)16:29
timeless_mbpanyway, if you do find that they fail, please file a bug against that applet and explain that it isn't ok to use strings from another domain16:29
timeless_mbpnor is it a good idea to assume that strings will fit in a constrained space (provide picture from Polski)16:29
trumeetimeless_mbp:No i changed the Country to Polska, not the language16:29
timeless_mbptrumee: err16:30
timeless_mbpchanging the country won't do anything useful :(16:30
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DocScrutinizerfsckngshit! once konqueror got a webpage with broken or missing CSS loaded, there's obviously no way to make it reload the whole thing and recover the CSS16:30
trumeetimeless_mbp:ok, i am going to set Language as Polski and Conutry to UK16:30
timeless_mbptrumee: ok16:30
timeless_mbp(the country item is 99% useless fwiw, it does stuff but only rarely)16:31
timeless_mbp(getting regions to work is incredibly hard, it makes getting languages seem easy)16:31
trumeetimeless_mbp: i noticed that whenever translations are updated, the widgets are killed from the home screen16:31
timeless_mbptrumee: as in they don't come back ever?16:32
timeless_mbp(i obviously don't use widgets)16:32
trumeetimeless_mbp: i have add them again16:32
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: any idea how to ask hildon-home (?) to quit nicely?16:32
timeless_mbptrumee: basically i need the desktop to relaunch, so i kill it16:32
timeless_mbpbut it's likely that desktop assumes it was crashed by one of your applets16:32
timeless_mbpand thus chooses not to start them the next time16:33
DocScrutinizernah, iirc it does16:33
timeless_mbptrumee: open settings16:34
* timeless_mbp looks for the relevant setting16:34
timeless_mbptap the Blue Phone icon16:35
Spookje do a /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop restart ?16:35
timeless_mbp(i can give you a translation of Blue Phone if you like, but)16:35
trumeetimeless_mbp: i have already reverted to English :(16:35
timeless_mbptrumee: grr16:35
timeless_mbpok, that's fine16:35
timeless_mbpwell, no16:35
timeless_mbpit's only fine if you trust me16:35
timeless_mbpthe string is "Dwuzakresowa"16:36
timeless_mbpwhich obviously doesn't fit16:36
timeless_mbpanyway, lemme talk you through finding it in Phone in English16:36
trumeetimeless_mbp: ok16:36
timeless_mbpso you can file a bug and explain which string was being *abused*16:36
timeless_mbpopen Settings>Phone; scroll to Network16:36
timeless_mbpthe second drop down "Use 3G"16:37
timeless_mbpnote the available space for the button16:37
timeless_mbpand consider the values16:37
trumeetimeless_mbp: it is a big button16:37
timeless_mbp "Duální"  "Dobbelt"  "Dual"  "Dual"  "Dual"  "Dual"  "Dual"  "Kaksitoimisuus"  "Double"  "Double"  "Duale"  "Dual"  "Dobbelt"  "Dwuzakresowa"  "Duplo"  "Duplo"  "3G+GSM"  "Dual"16:38
timeless_mbpare the strings you have (roughly)16:38
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timeless_mbp3G+GSM is not particularly long when compared to the others...16:39
timeless_mbptrumee: the right UI here is two buttons both of which can be depressed16:39
timeless_mbp[ GSM ] [ 3G ]16:40
timeless_mbpso you could have: [=GSM=] [ 3G ], [ GSM ] [=3G=], [=GSM=] [=3G=], [ GSM ] [ 3G ]16:40
ShadowJK"Kaksitoimisuus" :-)16:40
timeless_mbpmeaning GSM only, 3G only, Dual, <turn off cellular module>16:40
timeless_mbpShadowJK: ? admiring the finnish?16:41
tybollt_sjk: Mitää maxan virtaheppo?16:41
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ShadowJKMy rhino?16:42
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timeless_mbptybollt_: google things you mean virtahepo16:42
timeless_mbpand is that roughly "how much is this hipo?" ?16:42
ShadowJKtimeless_mbp, that's nice UI, enabling tablet mode through same thing :-)16:42
timeless_mbp(because google translate can't deal with it)16:42
timeless_mbpShadowJK: yep16:43
timeless_mbpplease send feedback to the author16:43
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: it's a hybrid though. When using GSM you're in a naming space that doesn't know about 3G, rather use UMTS. If you want to use 3G you should refer to GSM as 2G16:43
tybollt_timeless_mbp: Yes I know :)16:43
ShadowJKtybollt_, you probably have it in your memory as spoken word :-)16:44
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: the target audience is "normal" people, not techies16:44
DocScrutinizerexactly. That's why16:44
timeless_mbpto me, 2G can include things like Sprint/NexTel's network16:44
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timeless_mbpor Verizon's network16:44
DocScrutinizerno way16:44
tybollt_sjk: Very much so... I was thought this gem when I traveled w/ the finlandsbåt for the first time - needless to say lots of alcohol was involved :)16:44
tybollt_so - will there be another maemo device or is the next thing out there going to be meego? Is this confirmed yet?16:45
timeless_mbp> 2G technologies can be divided into TDMA-based and CDMA-based standards depending on the type of multiplexing used. The main 2G standards are:16:45
timeless_mbp-bash: 2G: command not found16:45
* timeless_mbp thanks Terminal.app16:45
timeless_mbpcdmaOne (CDMA-based, commonly referred as simply CDMA in the US), used in the Americas and parts of Asia. Today accounts for about 17% of all subscribers globally16:46
timeless_mbpiDEN (TDMA-based), proprietary network used by Nextel in the United States and Telus Mobility in Canada16:46
DocScrutinizeranyway the connectivity applet also using 2G and 2.5, rather than GSM16:46
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timeless_mbpso, anyway, that's why i don't want to use 2G16:46
timeless_mbpit's important for the user to understand they're limited to GSM networks16:47
DocScrutinizermeh, as if you'd need to teach users about their N900 isn't a CDMA phone16:47
timeless_mbpiirc we had sales people who didn't know16:47
DocScrutinizerso what?16:47
timeless_mbpyou can check the channel logs for around launch time for all the funnies16:47
DocScrutinizeris this a wiki or a button?16:47
javispedrojust be a gnome-like nazi and remove the entire option16:47
timeless_mbp(well, drop down)16:47
timeless_mbpjavispedro: i'm acting as a linguist here16:48
timeless_mbpso i can't16:48
javispedrowhy would a user need to choose between UMTS and GSM and "Kaksitoimisuus"16:48
timeless_mbpand the reason the item exists has to do w/ power use16:48
timeless_mbpthe user can choose from Kaksitoimisuus, 3G, GSM16:48
timeless_mbpand i didn't change the Finnish16:49
Shapeshiftergee tethering is involved when only using cli tools16:49
DocScrutinizerI'm all for abreviating this to "Kaka"16:49
javispedro"High power"/"Low poper"16:49
javispedrowritten in a better sounding way, ofc.16:49
timeless_mbpjavispedro: anyway, that's why the setting exists16:49
timeless_mbpi could change it to talk about power usage16:50
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DocScrutinizerfriggin shit. I hope I'm free to keep the short nice international 2G/3G/DUAL16:50
timeless_mbpbut it wouldn't help the guy who's doing an applet borrowing strings16:50
ShadowJKjavispedro, low power, high power, high speed16:50
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: international?16:50
DocScrutinizerwell, dual probably greek or latin16:50
ShadowJK2g+3g :-)16:51
ShadowJKwhich makes timeless' suggestion make even more sense16:51
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: not all of our languages are related to greek/latin16:51
* timeless_mbp thanks Russian and Finnish16:51
DocScrutinizerwhich suggestion? Kaka?16:51
Shapeshifterppp is crap16:51
timeless_mbpoh gah16:51
timeless_mbpOpenVPN is nearly as stupid as Nemo16:52
* timeless_mbp sighs16:52
* MohammadAG stabs ChanServ 16:52
* ShadowJK likes openvpn :-)16:52
ShadowJKI used to do ssh+ppp before discovering openvpn16:52
MohammadAG can't get it right16:52
timeless_mbpShadowJK: would you be willing to file bugs for me?16:52
* MohammadAG hates filing bugs16:53
MohammadAGgot a crapload of them16:53
ShadowJKis it related to applets, or routing scripts, or default gateway getting replaced, because I don't use any of those features myself16:54
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: yeah, save is misplaced :)16:54
* DocScrutinizer wonders how timeless_mbp will include the explaing popup to signal applet, about what's the real meaning of 2G16:54
timeless_mbpShadowJK: status menu thing16:54
ShadowJKYeah I don't use that thing16:54
timeless_mbpcan you file the bug anyway?16:54
timeless_mbppicture is included for free16:54
timeless_mbp(thanks to trumee )16:54
DocScrutinizerbut I guess consistency isn't a mandatory property of maemo GUI16:55
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: ditch the save button16:55
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: consistency?16:55
timeless_mbpdo we have that? *anywhere*?16:55
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, why?16:55
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: it looks awful and isn't needed16:55
timeless_mbpas long as there's a <go back to previous station> option you can deal w/ frequency16:55
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, it doesn't look awful in landscape mode16:56
* ShadowJK can't seem to access bmo now?16:56
MohammadAGI just need to figure out how to make it stretch16:56
timeless_mbpShadowJK: services are probably mostly hosed by snow16:56
MohammadAGit's a conspiracy to take down maemo.org16:56
timeless_mbpnah, the goal was to take out finnish rail16:56 was collateral damage16:56
* MohammadAG holds X- Fade hostage16:56
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: obviously not. It's more like a feggin textadventure, where you have to find out by yourself about 2G in system area signal applet is the same thing as GSM in the menu you open by clicking on it16:57
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what's the problem?16:57
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: not an issue16:57
timeless_mbpthe ui i propose isn't an equivalent16:57
timeless_mbpit does more (tablet mode)16:57
DocScrutinizerof course not. People adore text adventures16:58
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MohammadAGwhat's the problem/suggestion/bug whatever?16:58
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MohammadAGlonger text16:59
MohammadAGhardcode it16:59
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: localization rules say not to recycle a string into another context16:59
timeless_mbpthat's part of where that second param to tr() comes from17:00
timeless_mbpyou can do tr("3G", "controlpanel") and tr("3G", "statusbarnarrowbutton")17:00
DocScrutinizerWTF THIS has to do with using GSM instead of 2G on a button in system menu??17:00
timeless_mbpif the localizer chooses to use the same string, great17:00
timeless_mbpbesides, GSM is what nokia used17:01
timeless_mbpi just haven't changed it17:01
timeless_mbpoh, actually, i did change it :)17:01
timeless_mbpso go complain to nokia :)17:01
DocScrutinizerI'm fuckin complaining to nobody, as you like to play the fool here17:02
timeless_mbpanyway, if the guy wants to use my button pair w/ hard coded 3G and 2G17:02
timeless_mbpthat's fine by me17:02
ShadowJKtimeless_mbp, remind me again once bmo comes back?17:02
timeless_mbpShadowJK: k17:03
MohammadAGis the bug against 3g-2g-selection-applet?17:03
MohammadAGdon't bother, it's qwerty12's17:03
timeless_mbpqwerty12's dead, right?17:03
timeless_mbpnmu? :)17:04
MohammadAGin terms of, yes17:04
* timeless_mbp wonders what the license is17:04
timeless_mbpthe bug should be filed anyways17:04
timeless_mbpso people are aware that what was done there was wrong and recognized as wrong17:04
MohammadAGgtk_button_set_label (GTK_BUTTON (plugin->priv->toggle_button[i]), g_dgettext_localised_or_english ("osso-connectivity-ui", items[i].msgid, items[i].fallback_string));17:04
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timeless_mbpyeah, totally uncool17:05
MohammadAGtypoing the .mo filename might return to fallback17:05
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MohammadAG{"conn_va_phone_network_mode_b", "Dual"},17:08
MohammadAG{"conn_va_phone_network_mode_2g", "GSM"},17:08
MohammadAG{"conn_va_phone_network_mode_3g", "3G"},17:08
MohammadAGthat's fallback ^17:08
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DocScrutinizer/* next line segfaults if user forgot to stirr his coffee. That's intentional though, and we need it to comply to our own fubar development guidelines */17:12
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, don't forget to include <math.h>17:12
DocScrutinizer/* NB: UI developers *never* forget to stirr their coffee */17:12
timeless_mbptrumee: i could accidentally hack the binary for that package :)17:13
timeless_mbpi currently do it for Nokia Messaging17:13
timeless_mbp(i also support reversible hacks, but chose to skip it for nokia messaging)17:14
MohammadAGthe binary for what package o_O17:14
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: the one whose source you're browsing17:14
MohammadAGwhy hack the binary when you have a source...17:14
timeless_mbpdunno where the binary is, but i'm sure someone could tell me17:15
timeless_mbpi'd have to do an nmu17:15
timeless_mbpand test and stuff17:15
FireFly|n900The maps app isn't open-source, is it?17:15
MohammadAGi think17:15
FireFly|n900darn it17:15
timeless_mbpFireFly|n900: the maps app is 99% html/js17:15
FireFly|n900I'm interested in how the whole JS wrapping works17:15
timeless_mbpwhich means if you want to do interesting things to it, you more or less can17:15
ShadowJKThere's a guy on tmo that's been enabling stuff he found disabled in the code, and adding features17:16
FireFly|n900But I wanna understand how it launches the html file17:16
FireFly|n900I've looked around at the JS source (beautified)17:16
FireFly|n900It's a bit interesting17:17
timeless_mbpoh, awesome17:17
DocScrutinizerFireFly|n900: and then there's marble17:17
timeless_mbpwe have an unreleased fix to the name of a city in Argentina17:17
FireFly|n900timeless_mbp, lol17:17
timeless_mbpwe also have one which i'm pretty sure won't fit17:18
* timeless_mbp considers testing it17:18
* timeless_mbp bets no one tested it17:18
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, release it :P17:18
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: i don't control the release process17:18
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, how many packages are unreleased?17:18
MohammadAGoh and another thing17:19
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: probably most of them17:19
MohammadAGwhy the f is israel missing from the region list17:19
timeless_mbpi'm only looking at an amusing subset17:19
timeless_mbp-bash: top: command not found17:19
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, can you check if that was ever fixed?17:19
MohammadAGIsrael being missing that is17:19
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: hrm, got a bug#?17:19
* timeless_mbp wonders how to use such a number17:20
MohammadAGisn't dead?17:20
timeless_mbpbut i don't actually want to look at bugs.maemo.org17:20
MohammadAGbug 1095017:20
timeless_mbpi just need it to try to search another db17:20
timeless_mbpthe other db is up fwiw17:20
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MohammadAGBug 10950 - Israel is missing from the list of countries in regional setting17:21
MohammadAG<3 Awesome bar17:21
timeless_mbperm, they didn't update the bug?17:21
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MohammadAGno, why?17:22
timeless_mbpthe bug got wontfixed in september17:22
MohammadAGoh, not sure then17:22
MohammadAGI thought it was fixed17:22
MohammadAGwhy wontfix, it's just one damn addition to a list17:22
timeless_mbpwell, the internal bug that andre_ filed for it with that exact summary and referencing that url is wontfix17:23
timeless_mbp> as far as i see there's are no technical obstacles with including Israel (he_IL17:23
timeless_mbp> is supported by posix-locales).  i guess simply nobody was interested in17:23
timeless_mbp> supporting it.  there are menu other unsupported regions of the world, each of17:23
timeless_mbp> them taking up some space, requiring more time to build the package, and the17:23
timeless_mbp> testing costs.17:23
timeless_mbp> probably you can do it for yourself by mucking around with posix-locales and17:23
timeless_mbp> locale-resolver-data.17:23
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: your goal is to end up in the Language and Region control panel?17:24
MohammadAGthen shove a damn good battery to store time and date so I don't have to select UK then switch to Israel every startup17:24
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, no, region at startup settings screen17:24
timeless_mbpi have that problem too17:24
timeless_mbpand i'm in Finland17:25
timeless_mbpand my region offers me US (Washington, DC)17:25
MohammadAGyeah, language and region17:25
timeless_mbpso i suffer as much as you do :)17:25
MohammadAGLOL finland isn't there17:25
timeless_mbpthe time zone list is limited to those applicable to your regional preference17:25
timeless_mbpif you prefer en-US date formats17:25
timeless_mbpthen you can only have en-US time zones (in the startup wizard)17:26
MohammadAGthe time zone includes israel17:26
timeless_mbpand yes, i complained about that stupidity before we shipped17:26
MohammadAGbut my date & time are reset at mostly each startup17:26
MohammadAGso I need to select UK, the change time zone, then fix time and date17:26
MohammadAGalso, update automatically needs a reboot17:26
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MohammadAG-> time zone reset again17:27
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timeless_mbpupdate automatically shouldn't need a reboot17:27
timeless_mbpit certainly doesn't here17:27
MohammadAGisn't there a way to set time and date with internet?17:27
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, it doesn't update immediately then17:27
timeless_mbpntp isn't shipped w/ n90017:27
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timeless_mbpupdate automatically doesn't mean "update NOW"17:27
MohammadAGwhereas on other devices they go into offline mode and then back to online mode17:27
ShadowJKmine is set automatically from cellular network when I boot n900, so the startup wizard usually has correct time from that17:27
MohammadAGwell, it should :P17:28
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: microsoft added an Update Now button in later versions of windows17:28
timeless_mbp(for date+time)17:28
MohammadAGyes, vista17:28
MohammadAGFIXED in Harmattan? :P17:28
ShadowJKIt varies between operators whether they send time updates only on an active gprs connection or also casually in just idle17:28
MohammadAGis MeeGo vista the II? :P17:28
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: what, update-now?17:28
timeless_mbpi doubt it'd be there17:29
timeless_mbpand i really don't want to look17:29
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MohammadAGwhat's between vista and XP? :P17:29
timeless_mbpthe startup wizard is "special"17:29
MohammadAGdamn nothing's worse than vista17:29
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, it's a shitload of custom widgets to hide tearing17:29
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: it's a toolkit that wanted to be *the* platform toolkit17:30
MohammadAGtime widget is awesome17:30
MohammadAGscrolling is nice17:30
timeless_mbpbut it lost a fight and settled for shipping as the startup wizard17:30
DocScrutinizerset time automatically != ntp. The time is the one from GSM. Some providers send time msgs infrequently, some never, some send crippled ones17:30
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, then what happened?17:30
ShadowJKit's damn near impossible to get them to stop on the right one17:30
timeless_mbpit lost a fight17:30
timeless_mbpgenerally the fight to lose is called "ui simplification"17:30
MohammadAGwhat does that mean?17:30
timeless_mbpand it doesn't necessarily mean that the ui will get simpler17:30
timeless_mbpjust that some high level manager decided it was time for "ui simplification"17:31
timeless_mbpit's like "tea time", or "basket ball break" or...17:31
ShadowJKand when you put down your finger and think you stopped it spinning, thinking "AHA, Gotcha!", and slowly lift your finger, it scrolls one or two places past where you stopped :D17:31
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MohammadAGso you dropped the toolkit?17:31
MohammadAGwhat's it called?17:31
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: we didn't drop it, it's in startup wizard ;-)17:31
timeless_mbpclutter :)17:31
MohammadAGbut startup wizard is closed, and I'm assuming clutter is dead? :P17:32
ShadowJKfmradio is like this too, I can never tune it to the frequency I want :(17:32
timeless_mbpactually, the bigger problem was that someone didn't ensure the team working on clutter wouldn't be bought by someone else17:32
MohammadAGwell, undocumented17:32
timeless_mbpand intel bought the team17:32
Shapeshifteromg... running erminig -a from the cli with no internet connection pops up a gui dialog with the error.... why would the dev do that ._.17:32
TrackerDPPI have one mobile17:32
timeless_mbpwhich more or less ended any chance of clutter being the central ui for maemo517:32
TrackerDPPNokia N90017:32
MohammadAGShadowJK, indeed17:32
TrackerDPPi want to install NeoPwn on17:32
timeless_mbpand no, clutter isn't dead yet17:32
TrackerDPPplease help me17:32
timeless_mbpintel used it heavily in moblin17:33
pupnikand who used moblin?17:33
MohammadAGintel :P17:33
timeless_mbpit probably more or less dies eventually as Qt squeezes out clutter in MeeGo17:33
timeless_mbppupnik: details details :)17:33
MohammadAGQt's nice17:33
* MohammadAG waits for a rant17:33
timeless_mbpit's more not dead yet than hildon :)17:33
MohammadAGdidn't spark it17:33
MohammadAGQt's awesome :P17:34
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: heh17:34
MohammadAGhildon's not dead17:34
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* timeless_mbp gives MohammadAG points for spelling Qt correctly17:34
timeless_mbp(our architects can't even do that)17:34
timeless_mbpShapeshifter: i'd go w/ depressing17:34
timeless_mbpor Gtk17:34
timeless_mbpor QuickTime17:34
timeless_mbpdepending on context17:35
Venemo_N900I heard spelling Qt as "cute" or "cutey"17:35
timeless_mbpnah, they spell it QuickTime17:35
* MohammadAG likes the latter17:35
timeless_mbpwhich is unfortunate17:35
timeless_mbpmaemo in certain (all?) versions actually supports some QuickTime formats17:35
timeless_mbpand we *own* Qt17:35
timeless_mbpoh well17:36
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: happy? :)17:36
ShadowJKmp4 is almost QuickTime :-)17:36
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Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: the correct spelling is "cute", right?17:36
FireFly|n900I think that's the correct pronounciation17:37
timeless_mbpVenemo_N900: <uppercase Q><lowercase Tt>17:37
timeless_mbpVenemo_N900: <uppercase Q><lowercase t>17:37
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, I expected something that would say Qt sucked, but yeah, I'm happy :P17:37
* timeless_mbp sighs17:37
DocScrutinizerprobably Nokia bought trolls as those architecs and managers thought Qt is QuickTime17:37
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: oh, I referred to pronounciation, not spelling.17:37
Venemo_N900lol DocScrutinizer17:38
timeless_mbpVenemo_N900: thankfully our architects don't submit .ppt files w/ embedded audio17:38
timeless_mbpperhaps that's because the n900 doesn't include a sound recorder?17:38
* timeless_mbp sighs17:38
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* ShadowJK vaguely remembers when people made shit in something called Macromedia, that installed 16bit quicktime on windows 9817:38
timeless_mbpShadowJK: youch17:38
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MohammadAGwhy was Macromedia bought by Adobe again?17:39
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ShadowJKafter that it started installing 32bit quicktime and wins (or wing?), a ms compatibility thing that let you run 32bit apps on Win3.11. That was also rather spectacular on Win 9x :)17:39
timeless_mbpbecause adobe had more money?17:39
timeless_mbpShadowJK: :o17:40
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ShadowJKMy favourite feature was how quicktime associated itself with jpg and all sorts of fileformats it had no clue how to display :)17:40
MohammadAGQt developers should use libgq-gconf. where the hell is it then17:40
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: Adobe thought QuickTime is Trolls' Qt :-P17:41
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it is, the company's called TrollTech after all17:41
DocScrutinizer+Tech-foo wo cares17:42
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DocScrutinizerprobably not even LJP anymore17:43
trumeetimeless_mbp: is it safe to remove you translations package?17:43
trumeetimeless_mbp: via the app manager.17:44
MohammadAGtrumee, just go to settings and set it back to default17:44
trumeeMohammadAG: ok17:44
DocScrutinizererrm, might make arbitrary apps go segfault as they try to pass a %s parameter to a printf that doesn't expect it. Nice clean simple attack vector17:45
timeless_mbptrumee: yeah17:45
timeless_mbptrumee: you can also just use the control panel item to switch back to Default17:46
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DocScrutinizerjust make sure the bogus parameter for the missing %s is pointing to your own exploit code17:47
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trumeetimeless_mbp: i uninstalled the package, but the translations are still there??17:48
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timeless_mbptrumee: err17:48
timeless_mbpit should have done the right thing17:48
* timeless_mbp frowns17:48
trumeetimeless_mbp: was called British Translations or something. I did a reboot after that.17:48
* timeless_mbp needs to check the prerm script17:48
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* ShadowJK wonders of nokia has patented long-tap yet17:48
ShadowJKor if anyone else has17:48
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* timeless_mbp is going to have to kill WindowServer17:49
ShadowJK(just reading about Nokia getting sued by the holder of the double-click patent)17:49
* timeless_mbp does not look forward to doing that17:49
trumeetimeless_mbp: ok, how do i get rid of the residuals your package has left?17:49
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DocScrutinizeroh, double click. How innovative17:50
timeless_mbptrumee: is the ui still mine?17:50
timeless_mbpif so, you'll want to be <su> for a bit17:50
trumeetimeless_mbp: yes17:50
timeless_mbpsudo gainroot17:50
trumeetimeless_mbp: ok.17:50
timeless_mbpcd /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES17:50
timeless_mbpcp /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.0/LC_MESSAGES/* .17:51
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trumeetimeless_mbp:oh crap!. They are still there17:53
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trumeetimeless_mbp: even after a reboot17:54
* timeless_mbp ponders17:54
timeless_mbpyou're on 1.3?17:54
timeless_mbpgimme a bit17:54
timeless_mbpi'm multitasking poorly right now17:54
timeless_mbpi need to reboot my mac and probably recover a user account17:54
* timeless_mbp hates that17:54
xDaReaperxas usual no one replies at #nitdroid =/17:55
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tybollt_It's not just you! looks down from here.17:55
tybollt_anyone else?17:55
timeless_mbptybollt_: if it's part of the infra, it'd relate to the topic17:56
ShadowJKso.. tablets-dev and bmo down :)17:56
trumeetimeless_mbp: ls -1 /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.0/LC_MESSAGES |wc -l17:57
trumeels -1 /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES |wc -l17:57
tybollt_timeless_mbp: ehr I have now idea :S17:57
timeless_mbptrumee: the system only backs up things it replaces17:57
timeless_mbpthat means you have 3 things i don't recognize17:58
timeless_mbppresumably 3 third party mo's17:58
ShadowJKI hope it's not anything that required physical access. I'd imagine that ISP's people are terribly hungover today17:58
trumeetimeless_mbp: ok17:58
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timeless_mbpyou can do a diff and lemme know what they are17:58
* timeless_mbp is vaguely curious17:58
timeless_mbpprobably openvpn17:58
alteregonyurgh, still down then l.. lame17:58
MohammadAGnext up: meego.com17:59
ShadowJKI got a <title> out of it :-)17:59
* MohammadAG waits for it to die17:59
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timeless_mbpMohammadAG: is mostly OSU hosted17:59
timeless_mbpOSU has a very good track record17:59
timeless_mbpalthough is slightly special17:59
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tybollt_'slightly' :)17:59
timeless_mbpall it takes is one contractor in the section of OSU tripping over just the right cable17:59
Venemo_N900so what? they decided that Maemo is obsolete so they just disabled maemo.org18:00
tybollt_enterrprise redundancy and failover anyone?18:00
timeless_mbpVenemo_N900: they being the same snow stuff18:00
timeless_mbpthat has been disabling planes around the globe18:00
xDaReaperxguys i needed to ask one question about NITdroid's new kernel18:00
trumee> cell-modem-ui.mo18:00
xDaReaperxif you allow18:00
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trumee> vte.mo18:00
trumee> wget.mo18:00
xDaReaperxi can ask18:00
trumeetimeless_mbp: see diff above18:01
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timeless_mbphrm, gainroot doesn't work on my mbp18:01
xDaReaperxi know it's not the right place to ask , but no one replies at #nitdroid18:01
timeless_mbptrumee: right, those aren't nokia things18:01
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Venemo_N900xDaReaperx: this channel is about Maemo, not NITdroid. I do not know or care anything about NITdroid18:02
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DocScrutinizerneither do I18:02
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Venemo_N900xDaReaperx: the NITdroid devs have a forum. ask on that or be patient till someone answers on #nitdroid18:03
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* timeless_xchat sighs18:04
trumeetimeless_xchat: your package was for 1.2 only?18:04
timeless_xchatfilevault is such a pain18:04
xDaReaperx_@Venemo_N900 okay18:04
timeless_xchattrumee: the latest version should work w/ 1.318:05
timeless_xchatafaict 1.3 wasn't an abi break18:05
timeless_xchatunlike 1.218:05
trumeetimeless_xchat: so where is the ui picking up the old mo files?18:05
timeless_xchatsunday i was horribly confused by a maze of versions18:05
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timeless_xchattrumee, if the cp didn't work then the ui (in settings) won't work...18:06
DocScrutinizerABI break in a .mo, go figure :-P18:06
timeless_xchatbut please, lemme fix my mac18:06
trumeetimeless_xchat: ok.18:06
* timeless_xchat breathes a sigh of relief 18:08
timeless_xchatright, so, you need 60files, eh?18:09
timeless_xchatoh, for en_GB18:09
trumeetimeless_xchat: yes18:09
timeless_xchatthat's easier, since my other n900 hasn't met the en_GB system18:10
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* timeless_mbp wonders about strict ordering for prerm files18:18
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timeless_mbpif a depends on b, and a has a prerm18:19
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timeless_mbpi presume a's prerm is called before a is removed which is before b is removed?18:19
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trumeetimeless_mbp: ok, device is back to sanity18:21
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timeless_mbptrumee: sorry about that18:21
* timeless_mbp wonders why that uninstall failed18:21
trumeetimeless_mbp: no worries. i guess you did mention it was beta18:21
timeless_mbpthat really should work18:21
timeless_mbpotoh testing atm is hard given that is down18:22
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trumeetimeless_mbp: so they copy your script mode to en_GB.0 was not good?18:22
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trumeetimeless_xchat: btw, how do you get @firefox/developer/timeless behind your nick?18:23
timeless_xchati have that?18:24
trumeetimeless_mbp: the copy your script mode to en_GB.0 was not good i suppose?18:24
timeless_xchatit's a hostmask18:24
trumeetimeless_xchat: is that in xchat?18:24
SpeedEviltrumee: no - freenode18:24
trumeeah, i see18:24
timeless_xchatit means xchat is ident'ing to freenode18:24
timeless_xchatand someone from realm:mozilla grouped me on freenode18:25
* timeless_xchat kicks colloquy - stop hanging 18:25
timeless_mbpwait, timeless_xchat doesn't look like it's ident'd18:26
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trumee[16:22] --> timeless_mbp has joined this channel (~timeless@firefox/developer/timeless).18:27
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timeless_mbpright, timeless_mbp is ident'd18:28
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merlin_1991hey, the last time the repository was down someone said, he'll do a mirror when it's back up, did that ever happen=18:29
Venemo_N900obviously no18:29
timeless_mbptrumee: look better?18:29
trumeetimeless_mbp: yes18:30
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timeless_mbpok, now timeless_xchat will automatically ident18:32
xDaReaperx_I hate my connection18:32
RST38hMhm. Nokia 5228 just died, on the second day of use18:33
RST38hIs this normal?18:33
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jacekowskiit's ussualy user having bad touch18:34
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merlin_1991jacekowski, wasn't it you who wanted to apt-mirror extras?18:34
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MohammadAGJebba had a mirror, but he left, so the mirror's dead18:34
merlin_1991what made you not do it?18:35
jacekowskii have it18:35
timeless_xchathopefully in the future people won't let finns manage hosting18:35
merlin_1991you have it, but?18:35
jacekowskijust don't share it with everybody18:35
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jacekowskiwhy do you ask?18:36
merlin_1991because I wanted to install something today :D18:36
merlin_1991need any application to unzip regular zip files18:37
SpeedEvilu nzip18:37
timeless_xchatjacekowski: i'd like to install gettext :)18:37
SpeedEvilit's in the repo18:37
timeless_xchat(actually, i'd rather host it)18:37
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: repo is down18:37
timeless_xchatspeedevil, is the repo alive again?18:38
jacekowskii have both18:38
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merlin_1991then share them :D18:38
timeless_xchatjacekowski : url please? i'll stick it into my own host18:38
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* MohammadAG has gettext if you want it18:38
MohammadAGthat is, unless jacekowski can share it18:38
merlin_1991wich would be nice ofc18:39
timeless_xchatmohammadag, you keep apt-archive-cache?18:39
MohammadAGit's in MyDocs anyways18:39
* MohammadAG has /var/cache/apt/archives there18:40
SpeedEvilbinary onl18:40
SpeedEvilIf it's of use18:40
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merlin_1991thanks a lot jacekowski18:40
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MohammadAGty jacekowski18:41
* DocScrutinizer wonders what's that been with unzip fix earlier today18:41
SpeedEviloooh - nice jacekowski18:41
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DocScrutinizerand I thought we had a community repo that's just fine for such things18:42
DocScrutinizergues I'm mistaken18:42
MohammadAGwe do :)18:42
merlin_1991where? :D18:42
trumeeIs it true that N900 charges better when in Mass Storage mode?18:43
MohammadAG#maemo-ssu, it needs fixes, don't expect support till it's released, so you're on your own18:43
MohammadAGtrumee, no18:43
trumeeDocScrutinizer, MohammadAG: make me happy then18:43
timeless_xchathrm, grumble18:44
timeless_xchatthat isn't working18:44
trumeei am always worried about yanking out the cable when the device is in Mass Storage mode18:44
timeless_xchatmy repo *already* has gettext18:44
timeless_xchati guess i'm losing a priority fight w/ extras*18:44
trumeeso i always skip the Mass Storage/PC Suite mode18:44
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, welcome to our problem then18:45
DocScrutinizertrumee: works just fine here18:45
DocScrutinizerI tested it18:45
trumeeDocScrutinizer: good one18:45
MohammadAGjust tap outside to charge18:45
trumeeMohammadAG: yes i do that18:45
* MohammadAG uses PC Suite, USB networking + ssh ftw18:45
* timeless_xchat turns off everything except the one repo18:45
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: sometimes i had a case when it wouldn't charge if i just tap outside it18:45
trumeeI saw a post on tmo mentioning this and was worried18:46
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: hmm18:46
DocScrutinizersometimes I have a case where it doesn't charge when plugged to wallcharger18:46
DocScrutinizermight be unrelated18:46
merlin_1991damn it, Installation of packge unzip not possible, package not compatible :/18:46
trumeewtf, Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /home/tabtalk/public_html/forums/search.php on line 116018:46
trumeetmo search failed18:46
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jacekowskinokia is trying to discourage maemo users18:47
merlin_1991but why on earth is the unzip package uncompatible?18:47
jacekowskito when they change to meego there will be no resistance18:47
* timeless_xchat hates package domains18:48
* MohammadAG too18:48
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jacekowskimerlin_1991: fremantle-1.318:49
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-27 11:56:21] <zap> X-Fade: hi! how about fixing unzip till new year? :-)   [2010-12-27 11:57:35] <X-Fade> zap: I tried to fix it a few times but somehow never managed to get it right.   [2010-12-27 11:57:50] <zap> Fremantle Extras-testing free armelunzip 6.0-1maemo1   [2010-12-27 11:58:52] <zap> DocScrutinizer: this is unzip 6.018:49
* timeless_xchat is glad for having installed rootsh earlier today18:49
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merlin_1991jacekowski, extras-testing has only fremantle18:49
merlin_1991I see the package is pre 1.3 still18:50
jacekowskiit shouldn't be18:50
merlin_1991has to be, otherwise why can't I install it18:50
MohammadAGdpkg -i18:50
MohammadAGcause HAM is retarded18:51
timeless_xchatjacekowski, thanks for hosting, although i didn't end up using it18:51
timeless_xchatmerlin: if ham thinks a certain domain is supposed to own a package18:51
timeless_xchatit won't offer to install it from other untrusted domains18:52
DocScrutinizerunless repill mode enabled :-P18:52
DocScrutinizerred pill*18:52
merlin_1991I did dl the deb and tried to install if from file managaer18:52
merlin_1991does it apply in this case too?18:52
MohammadAGuse dpkg -i18:53
MohammadAGit's probably out of user/18:53
* timeless_xchat shrugs18:53
merlin_1991I used dpkg -i :D18:53
DocScrutinizeryes, unless you disable all other repos in HAM (wild guess)18:53
timeless_xchatdisabling repos doesn't always help18:53
DocScrutinizerit should when you try to install a local .deb18:54
timeless_xchat(if you've installed and removed a package from a trusted domain ...)18:54
DocScrutinizerwhatever, cya folks18:54
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joppuautobuilder down?18:55
jacekowskirepository down18:55
timeless_xchatjoppu: finland hosting is down18:55
timeless_xchatsee topic18:55
merlin_1991ah well dpkg -i worked and it works, wonder what fix zap was talking about18:55
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timeless_xchattrumee, so... what precisely did you do in your original, failed, uninstall?18:56
* timeless_xchat wants to go bug hunting 18:56
trumeetimeless_xchat: i uinstalled from the app-manager18:57
timeless_xchathow many installs of this package did you do before that?18:58
timeless_xchat(just one?)18:58
jacekowskihmm, just looking at my logs18:58
jacekowskii could add some ads there18:59
jacekowskiand make like £30/mo18:59
timeless_xchatjacekowski, lol18:59
trumeetimeless_xchat: yup, 2 i think. The second one was an update19:00
timeless_xchatok, so the update pass is what probably hosed things19:00
* trumee hates that TomTom vfat disk produces " attempt to access beyond end of device" under linux. But works fine in windows.19:00
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trumeetimeless_xchat: i guess the update, overwrote the original files backup sitting in GB.019:01
* timeless_xchat needs to figure out what to do there19:02
timeless_xchatthe problem is that there are two updates possible:19:02
timeless_xchat1. nokia updates19:02
timeless_xchat2. mine19:02
timeless_xchatfor 1, the code should do "the right thing"19:02
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* trumee Crap, TomToms filesystem is corrupted because i connected under linux.19:04
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yacctrumee, you could always try mtools ;)19:06
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timeless_xchattrumee, i suspect i need a .preinst19:10
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trumeeyacc, mtools?19:15
timeless_xchatrather, i need a much smarter preinst19:15
timeless_xchator something19:16
* timeless_xchat sighs19:16
timeless_xchat.deb package scripts have too many states19:16
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FauxFauxThe luxus package installs fine and adds stuff to /usr/lib/hildon-desktop, which, when run, does start the desktop app... but it's not in the add widget list?  Halp.19:16
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FauxFauxGah, it's added itself to a desktop I don't use.19:19
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yacctrumee, mtools => the package that provides mdir & co cmdline tools => has been used back then for floppy access, ...19:26
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zzz__Hello, I am sorry if this has become the FAQ of the day, but does anyone know when the servers will be stable again? I need to access the source code for a few packages, and it is frustrating.19:29
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alteregozzz__: what packages? :)19:32
zzz__alterego: To be specific, dsme.19:32
nox-heh n900 mentioned on 27c3 saal2 :)19:33
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timeless_xchatzzz__, ?19:34
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timeless_xchatmxr is up19:35
timeless_xchatand is fairly stable19:35
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timeless_xchatthere are "raw file" links at the top of most pages19:36
zzz__timeless_xchat: Yes, that was it. Thank you! However, it looks like I will have to download the source code file by file.19:36
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timeless_xchatwell, mxr is a cross reference, not a source server19:36
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timeless_xchatbut a bit of perl would work19:37
timeless_xchatjust grab the last href from each line and add ?raw=119:37
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timeless_xchatotoh, do *not* simply spider mxr :)19:38
zzz__timeless_xchat: I am not good at Perl, but I am very good with bash. Oh, I won't spider. :) I will try with bash; let's see how this goes.19:38
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zzz__timeless_xchat: Thanks once again. Bye!19:40
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DocScrutinizer5127c3 wmf. media format not supported \o/ for 'hackers'19:53
DocScrutinizer51wmv even19:53
nox-hehe...  they also have h264 but mplayer hangs on those once in a while19:54
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DocScrutinizer51honestly, even ZDF and ARD meanwhile managed to get working livestreams. Couldn't bother less about some 'hackers' streaming their shit in a format made by microsoft19:57
DocScrutinizer51that's not supported on any of my linux systems19:57
nox-oh mplayer and vlc at least play them alright here...19:58
* DocScrutinizer51 hopes those noobs are wearing 'Alt-F4' shirts19:58
timeless_mbpsp3000: heading out....19:59
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DocScrutinizer51nox-: you don't expect me to try and get a rtmp:// running on maemo?20:01
DocScrutinizer51well, every year same shit20:01
nox-:)  actually its part of a flash page
alteregoThink I just raged out: p20:02
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nox-but /me watching on desktop freebsd anyway20:03
noobmonk3ylol DocScrutinizer, nice channel title :P20:03
noobmonk3ytopic is temporarily shaky, sorry for the inconvenience!20:03
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fralsbah where is lcuk when you need him20:04
DocScrutinizer51so what? sorry for my french. Dunno why I used 'temporarily'20:04
noobmonk3ylol just was a cool topic title20:04
noobmonk3yfrals, :(20:04
noobmonk3ymost people need him every day :)20:05
noobmonk3yi think he must be on santa duties lol20:05
fralsyeah, bah, he told me to ping him when i was around but now he isnt! typical20:05
* nox- only linked that talk here cause its about smartphone security (and mentioned n900 being used to send raw sms)20:05
noobmonk3yfrals, got his email? most likely he would use some instant wake the house up ringtone for his emails :P20:06
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alteregoThe IR emitter isn't disabled in china is it?20:07
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noobmonk3yalterego, randomly i know the answer is no! lol20:07
pupnikisn't the n900 situation / maemo situation basically good?  there's way more software for it than for the n80020:07
noobmonk3ypupnik, yup ;)20:07
noobmonk3yits just the comprisons20:07
noobmonk3yie, it does have 500 applications for each single use20:08
pupnikand it looks to be good software too, not a million pieces of crap20:08
noobmonk3ywell, imo20:08
noobmonk3yor at least incrediibly well thought out in most cases20:08
noobmonk3yjust look at fmms etc....20:08
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pupnikwell i could make a program to spit out 10,000 maemo 'soundboards' and 'ringtone apps'20:08
nox-oh and also DocScrutinizer51, they `outsourced' the video streaming stuff to a university group(?) called fem20:08
noobmonk3ymaemo community has a great *if it can't be done* - *lets do it* atmosphere20:09
noobmonk3ywould help if nokia designed a phone and documented it so the can't be dones, actually looked possible ;)20:09
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pupnik"here's 15 copyrighted pictures and sounds i found on the net.  i made an app!"20:09
noobmonk3ylol pup!20:10
DocScrutinizer51nox-: which is like the only thing I've seen from 27c3 webpage so far20:10
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nox-this is on the congress wiki:
nox-and here's the schedule:
DocScrutinizer51honestly, I think I don't care - just out of principle.20:12
nox-alright :)20:12
DocScrutinizer51the smart speakers will publish their powerpoint or whatever eventually. The noobs too silly to get a video streaming right I don't care20:13
nox-right, and you can watch recordings later too20:13
nox-(tho im not sure fem are exactly noobs, they are probably not as opensource-minded and have a waay smaller budget than ard/zdf/etc :)20:15
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DocScrutinizer51wmv... no comment20:15
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alteregoAnyone use dropbox?20:20
alteregoDo we have an N900 client?20:20
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alteregoAh, looks like we do :)20:21
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pupniksee alterego20:23
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pupniki had to look over the fence and check android out, but searching for apps that don't suck is rage-inducing20:24
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alteregopupnik: I can only imagine.20:24
alteregoI every now-and-then look through the entire app list in extras :)20:25
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FIQi did it for -devel one time20:26
FIQthat was... not a great idea20:26
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FIQespecially not as i installed everything that seemed interesting20:26
FIQended up with >100 applications that i don't use, and i'm lucky that the device survived at all20:27
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RST38hWell, don't install everything next time20:32
RST38hEspecially given the wealth of app reviews and threads on tmo20:32
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pupniklooks like mp4box can concatenate .mp4 files from command-line20:39
gnu2thisi'm trying to d/l and install a program called 'guitar chords' on my n900 but i don't see it. can anyone help me?20:40
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timeless_mbpgnu2this: did you read the topic?20:46
timeless_mbpespecially the first part?20:46
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gnu2thistimeless_mbp: how long has it been like this?20:56
timeless_mbp8 hours?20:56
timeless_mbpsince snow attacked the hosting provider20:57
gnu2thisthat's about how long i've been trying to get this app. thanx20:58
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timeless_mbpin the future, please do consider checking the channel topic and perhaps reading scroll back21:04
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Ro9u3oRCan someone assist me in connecting my BT keyboard to my n90021:31
pupnikcan you help me bacth-concatenate downloaded youtube .mp4s without re-encoding?21:33
Ro9u3oRMaybe if i knew what i were doing21:34
pupnikahh i see this is the lawyer-crippled ldd /usr/lib/
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Ro9u3oRis there a certain app i need in order to connect bt keyboard21:39
pupnikwhat keyboard do you have Ro9u3oR21:39
Ro9u3oRthink outside stowaway BT21:40
pupniki have that one too - worked with the n81021:40
Ro9u3oRas well as the n80021:40
pupnikdid you try this?
Ro9u3oRive had it working but for some reason it wont connect21:41
pupnikso much information to tease out of you21:41
pupnikplonk! :)21:41
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MohammadAGnew HP netbook in the house21:43
MohammadAGturned it on21:43
MohammadAGafter an hour +- of setting up crap, guess what21:44
MohammadAGBSOD xD21:44
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DocScrutinizerdidn't they tell you to run-in windows carefully?21:46
MohammadAGgod windows 7 is slow on a netbook21:47
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nox-phonon rant in saal2...21:47
nox-(and linux multimedia stuff)21:47
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Venemo_N900lol MohammadAG :D21:48
nox-yeah and i suppose you can watch the recording later too :)21:48
lcukMohammadAG, s\on a netbook\\21:49
MohammadAGlcuk, give them credit, they got it right for once :P21:50
MohammadAGWin 7 isn't that bad21:50
MohammadAGkinetic scrolling is weird on windows21:51
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RST38hwindows has kinetic scrolling?21:51
MohammadAGyeah, the touch pack does21:51
MohammadAGit's stock on all devices with a touchscreen21:51
MohammadAGmultitouch usually21:51
MohammadAGthe windows move up/down when you reach the end of the page, a nice touch21:52
chxMicrosoft gets Windows right every 00 year21:52
chxWindows 2000 was actually quite good, no wonder they rushed to phase it out21:52
pupnikonly against their will21:52
chxWindows 7 is again not too bad21:52
chxit's just the shit between....21:52
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chxI remember Balmer actually trashing Windows 2000 when XP launched which clearly told anyone who listened that 2000 rocked and XP sucked and MS was scared they launched a Windows ppl wont upgrade...21:53
RST38hVista/Win7 is the best thing to happen to Linux for the last 10 years21:54
chxVista is, but not Win721:54
chxDocScrutinizer: look, Balmer talks sense and is always right, you just need to invert everything he says. Easy.21:55
RST38hWin7 is still pretty bad at performance21:55
DocScrutinizerchx: sorry, unrelated21:55
MohammadAGRST38h, it's comparable to XP actually21:55
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MohammadAGwell, imo at least21:55
RST38hMohammad: Not for me21:55
MohammadAGprolly cause I tried XP and 7 on different PCs then21:56
RST38hMohammad: Ok, it is comparable (but still hving hiccups) when you disable Aero and all the other flickety crap21:56
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RST38hGoogleTV kinda dead. Hm.21:57
* MohammadAG starts internet explorer and downloads some other browser21:57
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MohammadAGprolly the only reason I use that21:57
MohammadAGMicrosoft really needs to add something wget-y so I don't have to touch IE21:57
MohammadAGit's a capacitive screen21:58
MohammadAGit keeps clicking instead of scrolling\21:59
DocScrutinizer\o/ gdm21:59
* DocScrutinizer gasps21:59
MohammadAGwtf is corel21:59
MohammadAGyeah sure, install without asking me if I need you22:00
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pupnikthe joys (irony) of MS22:01
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PhonicUKhey all22:11
PhonicUKhas anyone tried using Spotify inside Preenv?22:11
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lmourais anyone having problems accessing
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keriolmoura: worksforme22:16
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lmouragetting timeout for almost 4 hours for repository, bugzilla and the website22:23
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timeless_mbplmoura: did you read the topic?22:25
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lmouratimeless_mbp, oops. thanks22:25
timeless_mbpAn error occurred while processing your request.22:26
timeless_mbpReference #97.b2a4b8c1.1293481561.606d15022:26
madducknext to the signal intensity, do 2G, 3G and E mean GSM, 3G and EDGE respectively?22:26
timeless_mbpkerio: try
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lcukmmm bacon22:33
RST38hlcuk: BTW, DrWho ruled.22:34
lcukRST38h, yes, it did!22:34
lcukreally great story.22:34
RST38hThe story was mainly (C)Charles Dickens22:35
RST38hIts execution ruled though22:35
lcukyes :)22:35
RST38hAre they planning to continue the series in 2011? =)22:36
JaffaRST38h: Yes, split in two halves.22:38
JaffaRST38h: Trailer on TouTube. "I wear a stetson now. Stetsons are cool."22:39
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JaffaDW was great, but the cheating with the timeline was perhaps a bit too similar to _The Big Bang_. Still cool tho'22:39
JaffaRST38h: I missed the sharks in Dickens' version ;-)22:40
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noobmonk3ylcuk, did frals get hold of you he was hunting you out earlier23:20
lcukyeah noobmonk3y thanks23:21
lcuki was *shock* offline23:21
* lcuk was hacking23:21
noobmonk3yhacking bacon?23:21
noobmonk3yoooo btw23:21
noobmonk3yout of my 3 cmas pressies i got a genius one!23:22
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noobmonk3yi have a proper butchers apron :) :)23:22
MohammadAGis that genius or a Guinness? :P23:22
noobmonk3ygenius :P lol23:22
lcukperhaps mrs noobmonk3y is trying to tell you she wants a sausage.23:23
noobmonk3ylcuk, perhaps.....23:23
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MohammadAGbesides alterego's mohammedia suggestion, any suggestions for the Qt Mediaplayer name :P23:25
VenemoMohammadAG: no name required. just replace the "Media player" shortcut in the task launcher23:26
MohammadAGVenemo, and copyright?23:26
alteregoOr do what he did with mine, and just replace the whole package.23:26
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MohammadAGhey, blame creator not me! :P23:26
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alteregoNo, that's what you get when you name your project name the same as media players package name :P23:27
noobmonk3ymoh: Mo'Media23:28
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noobmonk3yor that23:28
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alteregoDoesn't ld use to search for libraries?23:31
kasansweatenjoying the new N900 -- but is there really no easy(er) way to do SSH file transfers than to set up sshfs? Seems like overkill23:31
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alteregoI'm getting linking errors23:32
MohammadAGkasansweat, scp?23:32
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MohammadAGno other suggestions for the mediaplayer's name? :P23:33
kasansweati mean, besides using the command line -- like an easy way to transfer music et al on a regular basis through a file manager, w/out bluetooth, etc.23:33
MohammadAG    Maemo 5 Stock Media Player rewrite in Qt23:33
MohammadAG    Copyright (C) 2010 Mohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh23:33
npmwhen is going to be back up (guess i shouldn't have included images from there in my doc )23:33
npmrather wiki.maemo.org23:34
kasansweatI feel like I might be missing something23:34
pupnikvery very very nice project npm23:34
VenemoMohammadAG: "Media Player" is not a copyrightable term.23:34
MohammadAGVenemo, so should I just leave it as Media Player?23:34
kasansweatI'm sure I could cough up a bash script or something, but I'm just surprised there's nothing like that for the N900, like there is in, say, Ubuntu Nautilus23:35
kasansweator there is and I'm totally missing it.23:35
MohammadAGnautilus would be awesome tbh23:35
MohammadAGI think the N900FTP app supports sftp23:36
MohammadAGnot sure though23:36
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: If you begin the name with cute, cutey, QT, queet - I will have to kill you.23:37
MohammadAGwhat about Qt? :P23:37
kasansweathahaha, wow, I just put that together -- the cute=qt thing.23:38
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alteregoNow to package columbus-plugins-core23:40
VenemoMohammadAG: so make the "Media Player" shortcut point to your app and not the stock one.23:40
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MohammadAGVenemo, that's not the problem here23:40
MohammadAGVenemo, I'm pondering what I should name the project, what I should put in copyright23:40
MohammadAGI mean, the browser is called Web on the N900, but the project is microB23:41
VenemoMohammadAG: "MohamMedia by MohammadAG&friends"23:41
* MohammadAG surrenders23:41
MohammadAGMohammedia it is23:41
MohammadAGdamn you alterego ! :P23:41
VenemoMohammadAG: or if you like MicroB, name it "MicroC" or "MicroA"23:41
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VenemoMohammadAG: I was just joking with MohamMedia :P23:42
MohammadAGMohammedia Flash Player23:42
MohammadAGsorry, got carried away :P23:42
VenemoMohammadAG: anyway, it sounds a bit egoistic, but you deserve it23:42
MohammadAGit is, that's why I don't want to use it lol23:43
Venemoanyway, good night guys. I have to go to sleep now. :)23:43
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: What are the distinguishing features of this media player?23:46
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, seriously, you missed out on a project we started a month ago? :P23:46
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MohammadAGIt's a FOSS rewrite of the stock mediaplayer23:47
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SpeedEvilI suggest FOSSROTSMP23:47
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, the UI is almost complee23:48
MohammadAGI should blog about this23:48
kasansweat"MoMedia" ain't bad, actually23:48
MohammadAGbut, now playing is the same as the current one, but in portrait mode:
pupniknpm that is a very informative link, thank you23:48
pupniki hope it gets widely read23:49
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MohammadAGI just finished the video UI
MohammadAGthe songs UI with a custom list
MohammadAGinternet radio UI
MohammadAGand main UI in portrait mode
SpeedEvilGreat Open Audio, Television, Source Edition. Known by the acronym - GOATSE.23:50
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, ^23:50
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SpeedEvilDoes it do the tracker thing, or what?23:51
SpeedEvilOr files23:51
MohammadAGwhy not both? It's FOSS23:51
MohammadAGfor 1.0, we're getting tracker in23:51
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MohammadAGthen we're adding in features that bothered everyone23:51
MohammadAG(well, the lack of them)23:52
MohammadAGlike folder based playback, portrait mode [done], share via BT [done] umm23:52
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RST38hMohammad: Will it still support AVRCP?23:53
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MohammadAGAVRCP is?23:53
RST38hplayback controls over bt23:54
MohammadAGRST38h, and patches are welcome, the gitorious page is alive, with everyone contributing a nice part to it23:54
MohammadAGcrashanddie's doing mafw integration23:54
MohammadAGumm, that's handled by MAFW afaik23:54
MohammadAGso yes, it should23:54
RST38hit is no23:54
MohammadAGsure about that?23:54
MohammadAGthere haven't been apps that used mafw a lot23:54
toresbeHey, anyone happen to have experience with smscon?23:55
RST38hAt least, both MediaPlayer and the MediaPlayer applet implement it individually23:55
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MohammadAGtoresbe, it raped my bill23:55
MohammadAGRST38h, care to test it?23:55
toresbehaha - oh?23:55
RST38hMohammad: yea, why not, got a .deb?23:55
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MohammadAGtoresbe, no seriously, I was testing it, and it sent out like 50 SMSs23:56
toresbeapt raped mine. Whilst abroad, the damn thing started apt-get update.23:56
MohammadAGRST38h, cause it's still WIP :P23:56
RST38hexecutable is fine =)23:56
MohammadAGapt-worker, haha23:56
* MohammadAG replaced that23:56
toresbeMohammadAG: Is there an ability of somehow disabling the UIs notification of SMS received?23:56
MohammadAGwith echo "Fuck off"23:56
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MohammadAGworks quite well23:56
MohammadAGtoresbe, not that I know of, but it should be easy to patch it with nicolai's source code23:57
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: neat23:57
MohammadAGyou could point that out to the dev23:57
* SpeedEvil wonders what features most annoy him about the media player.23:57
toresbeTo me it's the lack of TPOS support.23:57
toresbeFew things more annoying than having Disc 1 and 2 of a CD merged.23:58
MohammadAGto me, it's crap and closed source :P23:58
SpeedEvilYoutube integration would be nice.23:58
lcukfeature creep :P23:58
MohammadAGwell, not crap, just nothing that a rival company would copy23:58
SpeedEvilAnd I'd like configurable behaviour on headset-click23:58
SpeedEvildouble-click - next track, for example.23:58
SpeedEviltriple-click - spawn a bash shell, and input the following decoded morse code to it.23:59

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