| Pradeep | is there any telnet app on n900 | 00:00 |
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| kerio | there's telnet | 00:01 |
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| Pradeep | i can't find it in my app manager | 00:04 |
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| Pradeep | i did not see it in my app manager | 00:12 |
| nox- | maybe its in tools or extras? | 00:13 |
| fiberspeed | or just run apt-get install telnet as root in your terminal | 00:14 |
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| MohammadAG | sigh | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | of all materials to make keyboards, HP has to use glossy crap | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | couldn't they have used matte | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | You look at keyboards? | 00:16 |
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| Choom | I do, my keyboard has a color display | 00:16 |
| Choom | 320x240 | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - that's an excuse. | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, no, but my fingers feel them | 00:17 |
| * SpeedEvil continues typing under the blankets. | 00:17 | |
| MohammadAG | it's not that | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | the keys just feel oily | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | and no, it's not my hands | 00:17 |
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| luke-jr | MohammadAG: use stickers | 00:21 |
| luke-jr | label it dvorak-tonal style :D | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, no, they ruin the look of a clean keyboard | 00:22 |
| luke-jr | pfft | 00:23 |
| luke-jr | [17:16:24] <SpeedEvil> You look at keyboards? | 00:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: so, from reading the strings, it is more magical | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | it understands Sun+Sat = Weekends and Mon-Fri = Weekdays | 00:37 |
| Pradeep | i need to telnet into my router now | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | Pradeep: telnet is lame | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | [17:14:33] <fiberspeed> or just run apt-get install telnet as root in your terminal | 00:38 |
| Pradeep | please is there app for that | 00:38 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: and the rest are custom? | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | you've been helped. stfu :P | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | well it supports 'never' in the strings | 00:39 |
| timeless_mbp | which means there's an impedance mismatch :o | 00:39 |
| Pradeep | could not find it | 00:39 |
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| luke-jr | Pradeep: sudo apt-get install telnet | 00:39 |
| kerio | Pradeep: enable extras-testing and extras-devel | 00:39 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: interestingly, mfe doesn't | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, sudo eh? | 00:40 |
| Pradeep | where is that | 00:40 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: also, it gets the oh no you can't tap on that button now thing | 00:40 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 00:40 |
| sp3000 | but it's not being secretive about a list of days | 00:40 |
| sp3000 | the only special it knows about is daily afaict | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, is it just me, or did browsing history disappear in microB? | 00:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: disappear? | 00:41 |
| sp3000 | but obviously these uis doing the same thing never met each other ;) | 00:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: of course not! | 00:41 |
| timeless_mbp | why should similar UIs meet? | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, the View browsing history button disappeared | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | the one when you open the stacked window with recent pages | 00:42 |
| sp3000 | why did the ui cross the road | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | to lay a child | 00:42 |
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| xim_ | so i flashed my eMMC and rootfs, do i also need to do a maemo5 update somehow? | 00:42 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: i have it in visual history | 00:42 |
| timeless_mbp | which i got from landscape mode's tooolbar | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, hmm, weird, I don't :S | 00:43 |
| timeless_mbp | s/ooo/oo | 00:43 |
| sp3000 | it didn't -- there was already another instance doing the same thing there, and why would they talk to each other :) | 00:43 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 00:44 |
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| Venemo | merry christmas Maemo folks! I'll probably not be online tomorrow, so now is the time to say this | 00:46 |
| sp3000 | this | 00:47 |
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| * timeless_mbp tries to figure out how to replace 'Customized' | 00:47 | |
| xim_ | is there any other way to upgrade your os besides the update button in app manager? | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | i've changed 'Days' to 'Schedule' | 00:47 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: "Some". | 00:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | but you're right, i should use the word from mfe | 00:47 |
| sp3000 | "Tap here to find out for free!" | 00:48 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly mfe has <peak days> and <peak interval> | 00:48 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 00:48 |
| timeless_mbp | but NM doesn't have off peak | 00:48 |
| timeless_mbp | nor does it have <sync schedule> as a heading | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | so i'm happy w/ <schedule> instead of days | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | I think <hours> becomes <interval> | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, no, gah | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | <hours> is actually <start-end> time | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | "Sync window" ? | 00:50 |
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| Pradeep | how do i enable extra-devel, extra-testing | 00:51 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs @ "all day long" | 00:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | 9-5 is "business hours" | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | what the heck is 8-6? | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Workaholics buisness hours | 00:52 |
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| sp3000 | commutes and things | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | oh cute | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | this lets me select hours: 12:01 AM - 12:00 AM | 00:53 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what that does | 00:53 | |
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| sp3000 | is there an all night long too? | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it also allows 01:01 AM - 01:00 AM | 00:53 |
| sp3000 | sync you long time? | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | note the leading 0 because these people are *idiots* | 00:53 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders where-tf they got that string from | 00:54 | |
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| Pradeep | anyone helping | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Pradeep: err, wiki.maemo.org/ | 00:55 |
| Venemo | byebye | 00:56 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 01:00 | |
| timeless_mbp | more <binary-file> corrupts osso-xterm :( | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | like any other terminal | 01:01 |
| jacekowski | type | 01:01 |
| jacekowski | reset | 01:01 |
| jacekowski | and press enter | 01:01 |
| timeless_mbp | doesn't work | 01:01 |
| timeless_mbp | unlike normal terminals | 01:01 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 01:01 | |
| kerio | use screen or tmux | 01:01 |
| javispedro | isn't there a reset&clean entry on menu now also | 01:01 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: think i can ask robut for info about this crap? | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | reset works for me | 01:01 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: | 01:02 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah? | 01:02 |
| timeless_mbp | more /usr/lib/modest/mail-plugins/libodsplugin.so | 01:02 |
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| xim_ | i just reflashed my phone and now i dont know the sudo password!? help | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | yep, reset works fine timeless_mbp | 01:04 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: was that you who pointed me to the new version / successor of libcal | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 01:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | xim_: there isn't one | 01:05 |
| timeless_mbp | ~rootsh | 01:05 |
| infobot | hmm... rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/, or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/ | 01:05 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: maybe | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i remember discussion about it | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i mean, that somebody made a replacement for it | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | but it was quite a long time ago | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't it libsysinfo or sth? | 01:06 |
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| jacekowski | i don't remember | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | i can grep my logs | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I should just ~ask | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | where to look to learn about calibration partition? | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | it's nowhere in official docs | 01:07 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: wtf is up w/ bug 621229? | 01:07 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/621229 was not found. | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 is a bit out of date | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | i'm just using my favorite disassembler | 01:08 |
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| sp3000 | I think there's another bug for that but icbw | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: searching trough my logs is going to be more complicated than i thought | 01:09 |
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| jacekowski | because just looking for "cal" is returning way more results than i would like | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | cat Freenode-#maemo.log | grep cal | 01:10 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: what do you need to know? | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, I just managed to erase backscroll in ALL my Konversation windows - no idea how | 01:10 |
| timeless_mbp | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=186162&postcount=5 | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, CTRL+L maybe | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: I want to understand how uBoot can learn to access calib partition | 01:10 |
| sp3000 | ...dup. | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: uboots has to undersand how to read nand | 01:11 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: do we know this guy? | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that seems to be no real problem | 01:11 |
| sp3000 | iirc you did eventually meet tom | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: then we can just read specific block | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and write it | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: without worrying about allocating anything | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: or messing around with versions | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | so create block using normal nokia libcal | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd feel better dealing with CAL records in the "right way" | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | and then just update it in place | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aiui uBoot used exactly same simple scheme for its env partition | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so my idea was uBoot learns to treat calib partiton as his very genuine env and you can access all CAL settings and read&store uBoot envs | 01:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: ok, so why didn't he know about the other bug? | 01:15 |
| sp3000 | shrubbery | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: what exactly was the point in that post #5? | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: full cal implementation will require full nand implementation | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | including locking/unlocking otp blocks | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: you asked what it was | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | that's what it is :) | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: sorry, I don't get it | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-24 00:07:08] <DocScrutinizer> where to look to learn about calibration partition? [2010-12-24 00:08:02] <DocScrutinizer> What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 is a bit out of date [2010-12-24 00:10:19] <timeless_mbp> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=186162&postcount=5 | 01:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: the definition of what <c><a><l> is hasn't changed | 01:17 |
| timeless_mbp | that url is still as correct as it was when it was posted | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | 19:19 < slonopotamus> jacekowski: that's what i have currently: http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=opendsme;a=blob;f=src/libopencal.c;h=fcb51c82e9de2ac53ee468606b98ac602111d01d;hb=HEAD#l437 | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | hah | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | found it | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: and how's that an answer to my question? | 01:18 |
| timeless_mbp | if someone asks "what is IBM" | 01:18 |
| timeless_mbp | the answer is "International Business Machines" | 01:18 |
| timeless_mbp | AT&T is "American Telephone & Telegraph" | 01:18 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't change | 01:19 |
| timeless_mbp | it's also a stupid question | 01:19 |
| timeless_mbp | so don't ask it | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | *MY* question being >>where to look to learn about calibration partition?<< NOT the thread subject >>What is CAL?<< of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 is a bit out of date | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you didn't notice, you pointed me to same thread | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i did notice | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, many thanks then | 01:20 |
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| jacekowski | ~seen slonopotamus | 01:23 |
| infobot | slonopotamus <~slonopota@85.26.155.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 16h 50m 39s ago, saying: 'anyone has example usage of HildonFileSelection?'. | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i just looked at that code and it looks complete | 01:25 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: as in usable | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | code to access NAND in uBoot? | 01:25 |
| jacekowski | nah, open code for cal | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | linky? | 01:26 |
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| jacekowski | i linked it 9 minutes ago | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 01:27 |
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| xim_ | after reflashing my device, im trying to selectively install the packages i went from a backup, i have the packages.backup file open and did a sudo gainroot, i made an apt-get install line with a list of the packages i want. it wont run because lots of the packages have dependancies which are not able to be installed. what could cause this? | 02:25 |
| xim_ | i mean of course they have dependancies, why does it say that they prerequisite packages have no installation candidate? | 02:26 |
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| mikki-kun | looool, my n900 directory is 666MB big ^^ | 02:32 |
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| xim_ | packages affected are: aircrack-ng, gltron, kismet, mirror, mysocials, numptyphysics, wargus, wifieye | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xim_: sorry, I don't really understand what you're doing with that backup | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | why don't you use the backup app to restore the apps? | 02:35 |
| xim_ | i just opened the files and am looking at the xml package list inside, then adding the specific ones i want (not all the crazy ones that pwned my phone in the first place) through apt-get | 02:35 |
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| xim_ | i have the three extras repos too | 02:36 |
| xim_ | nm i figured it out | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | why don't you use the backup app? | 02:39 |
| xim_ | for some reason having the extras repo twice was screwing things up | 02:39 |
| xim_ | because what is the sense in restoring all the apps that fubared my phone in the first place | 02:40 |
| xim_ | without the ability to de select packages the backup app isn't very useful | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you don't need to install all the apps | 02:40 |
| xim_ | can you deselect some of them? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there is a very convenient option to do that | 02:41 |
| xim_ | orly | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | last time I checked I think there was, yes | 02:41 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: looks like he had some trouble attaching a series of patches, and got the same patch twice twice | 02:41 |
| Termana | good morning | 02:42 |
| sp3000 | but looks like bmo went down so enough of my mess of a cleanup | 02:42 |
| xim_ | i didnt see it | 02:42 |
| sp3000 | (the other bmo, not the one relevant to this channel, ...) | 02:42 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, you been watching my youtubes? | 02:44 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: no | 03:03 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: youtube just suggested me that i may be interested | 03:03 |
| jacekowski | so i clicked subscribe | 03:03 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: but i've seen all videos from you | 03:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, xim seems has left. But HAM has a selection feature for the apps to restore | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10094 if somebody cares | 03:13 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: "If you need the highest performance floating point on Cortex-A8, you need to use single precision and ensure the code uses the NEON vectorized instructions" | 04:01 |
| pupnik | says some guy... http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard | 04:01 |
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| ds3 | yes, VFP on the A8 is a VFP lite which is slower then NEON | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | still wondering why anybody needs FP. Usually it's just laziness | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | reals aka floats that is | 04:20 |
| ds3 | if you need to work with very very very big vales along with very very very small values | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | still no proper excuse | 04:21 |
| ds3 | how do yo represent such a big dynamic range? | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | but sometimes a start for a rationale | 04:22 |
| ds3 | you | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | IF it's really that large a DYNAMIC range the it is justified | 04:22 |
| ds3 | I can go along with that | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if the very very small are always x *10^-37 and the very large always y *10^24 and x and y have no large range, the you have no true DYNAMIC range yet | 04:24 |
| luke-jr | why does WebGL work fine with the N900-specific pages, but nothing generic? | 04:24 |
| ds3 | yep | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | also if you have actually such a dynamic range but a precision thats so poor you can cope with maxint discrete values between min and max, you still don't need floats | 04:25 |
| ds3 | basically, if you can scale it, you don'tneed floats | 04:26 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: laziness plus in most cases, floats don't hurt | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet they do, on mobile devices etc | 04:27 |
| luke-jr | most people don't care about mobile devices yet | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, cya | 04:27 |
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| comawhite | wow xchat is awkward on the n900 | 07:56 |
| comawhite | text way small | 07:56 |
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| ds3 | use TV out and connect to 50inch TV? :D | 08:24 |
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| comawhite | ds3, doesn't look right on non-lcd tv | 08:30 |
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| khertan | Morning | 09:21 |
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| pupnik | good morning khertan | 09:22 |
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| khertan | morning pupnik | 10:12 |
| khertan | there isn't anyone on maemo yet ? | 10:13 |
| khertan | everybody move to meego ? | 10:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | I didn't. | 10:13 |
| khertan | 2 people | 10:14 |
| khertan | RobbieThe1st, did you have admin power on maemo extras repository ? | 10:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | Nope | 10:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'm just a normal use | 10:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | *user | 10:16 |
| khertan | hum ... ok ... switch back to my own repository again :) | 10:17 |
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| shikamaru | hello there | 10:29 |
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| Jaffa | khertan: I saw your email. Did you raise a bug? | 10:31 |
| Jaffa | I can escalate a bug | 10:32 |
| khertan | a bug ... for what ? | 10:32 |
| khertan | i raise 20 about this things | 10:32 |
| Jaffa | For your dependencies issue. | 10:32 |
| khertan | ah ... pfff | 10:32 |
| khertan | useles | 10:32 |
| khertan | s | 10:32 |
| khertan | will end to won't fix | 10:32 |
| Jaffa | Don't be a cock. | 10:32 |
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| Jaffa | I'm telling you I can make sure it is seen by the people who are paid to maintain the site and fix it. | 10:33 |
| Jaffa | However, I'm not going to poke them with random emails; I want something that can be tracked publicly. | 10:33 |
| khertan | ok try again and i ll see | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so... i'm looking to finish another round of maemo localization | 10:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm also considering banging my head against a brick wall | 10:35 |
| khertan | now khweeteur is broken in extras (package dependencies) | 10:37 |
| khertan | and broken in extras-devel new problem with new pyside update :) | 10:37 |
| khertan | it 's not my day | 10:37 |
| khertan | :) | 10:37 |
| khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/view/khweeteur/ <<< i m the only one to not be able to access to it ? | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | joy | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: so, i found the sources for "01:01 AM - 01:00 AM" | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | it uses strftime twice and then uses sprintf "%s - %s" to paste the two together | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | (in case a localizer doesn't use DASH to do pasting...) | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, anyone here familiar w/ binary patching? | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | $ strings /tmp/libodsplugin.so |grep 'I:' | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | %I:%M %p | 10:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | that needs a binary patch :) | 10:41 |
| * timeless_mbp shakes head | 10:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | ja | 10:42 |
| khertan | Jaffa, Bug 11722 | 10:42 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11722 Promoting Khweeteur in Extras result in missing dependencies | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so... Nokia Messaging is *awesome* | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | they use their own *non* localized 12 hour time format which is just <wrong> :) | 10:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh right | 10:44 |
| alterego | Wow, that guy really liked my UI O_O | 10:44 |
| * timeless_mbp can go see if "Never" is actually supported | 10:44 | |
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| * timeless_mbp gives up | 10:49 | |
| timeless_mbp | too complicated | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | the code at least partially pretends to support it | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | but clearly no one bothered to test it | 10:49 |
| khertan | lol can't connect to https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ | 10:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, does https://bugs.maemo.org/ look like it's missing a graphic? | 10:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh joy | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: so... whatever you do | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | don't take your n900 w/o a sim into an area w/o wifi and try to add a mailbox to nokia messaging | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | when you go past the disclaimer where it warns you that it's going to send information to nokia | 11:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | it then tries to check for nokia messaging availability | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | to do that, it shows a progress diaog | 11:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | s/diaog/dialog/ | 11:13 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: to do that, it shows a progress dialog | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | and then it proceeds to trigger an ICD <Connect to> dialog | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | when you cancel that, it triggers the dialog again | 11:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | and it will keep triggering the dialog until you admit defeat | 11:14 |
| delphi | lol | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | you can either: 1. let the batteries run out | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. pull the battery out | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. give up and give it a network | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, it seems that if you trigger flight mode from the power menu you can win, but i sure didn't think of that having tried 5+ times to dismiss the dialog :( | 11:15 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, using flight mode to test, it takes exactly 5 "no i really don't want to exit flight mode" presses to get the thing to give up | 11:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh right, i should file a bug about 'never' not working | 11:24 |
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| crashanddie | /home/slauwers/src/opensource/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwsourceadapter.cpp:119: error: prototype for 'unsigned int MafwSourceAdapter::sendBrowseRequest(QString*, unsigned int, unsigned int)' does not match any in class 'MafwSourceAdapter' | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | /home/slauwers/src/opensource/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwsourceadapter.h:28: error: candidate is: void MafwSourceAdapter::sendBrowseRequest(QString*, unsigned int, unsigned int) | 11:28 |
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| crashanddie | what am I missing? | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | oh, void | 11:28 |
| khertan | :) | 11:30 |
| Termana | That's ironic | 11:30 |
| Termana | :p | 11:30 |
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| crashanddie | khertan, "Ta blague est aussi vide que le néant qui sépare tes deux oreilles." --Naheuleuk. | 11:32 |
| crashanddie | s/euk/beuk/ | 11:33 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: khertan, "Ta blague est aussi vide que le néant qui sépare tes deux oreilles." --Naheulbeuk. | 11:33 |
| crashanddie | Termana, opening gifts soon? | 11:33 |
| Termana | crashanddie, nah it's 8pm Christmas Eve here. | 11:34 |
| crashanddie | and? | 11:34 |
| Termana | Though I guess it depends on your definition of soon :p | 11:34 |
| crashanddie | I always open gifts on christmas eve :P | 11:34 |
| Termana | :p | 11:34 |
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| khertan | crashanddie, lol ! | 11:35 |
| khertan | you are reading naheulbeuk now ? | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | nha, i used to listen to it ages ago | 11:36 |
| khertan | oh which zode ? | 11:36 |
| khertan | i didn't remember this one | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | khertan, 16 IIRC | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | though, this is from something like 5 years ago, so if I got the episode right, I'm auto-proclaiming myself alzheimer superhero | 11:37 |
| Termana | I was going to myself a DVD for Christmas. Until I realised it's not released until 2 days after Christmas. What kind of idiot company does that? :p | 11:37 |
| Termana | to buy* | 11:38 |
| kerio | who the hell buys DVDs | 11:39 |
| Termana | kerio, people who don't use iTunes and want to give money to movie companies, I suppose? | 11:40 |
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| Termana | Netflicks streaming and Hulu and all that crap is unavailable in Australia | 11:41 |
| Termana | Netflix* | 11:41 |
| * kerio points its finger at Teh Interwebs | 11:42 | |
| Termana | Are you indicating I should pirate it? | 11:42 |
| kerio | what? no, of course not | 11:42 |
| Termana | Board their boats and fire cannons at them | 11:42 |
| Termana | :p | 11:42 |
| kerio | ARRRRRRRRRR | 11:42 |
| Termana | (kidding) | 11:43 |
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| khertan | Why did i bought an iphone to my wife ... cannot import contacts via bluetooth | 11:51 |
| khertan | mouar | 11:51 |
| khertan | f | 11:51 |
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| khertan | the apple solution use the import from sim card ... hum ... but 4G iphone use micro sim card ... not the old phone | 11:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I think you can cut the SIM down | 11:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, you can | 11:53 |
| RobbieThe1st | The chip is far smaller than the plastic bit | 11:54 |
| Choom | why does apple have to make all kinds of interoperation harder? | 11:55 |
| RobbieThe1st | Because they are Apple | 11:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | You should -only- buy Apple things, and always pay the premium! | 11:56 |
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| khertan | <SpeedEvil> I think you can cut the SIM down <<< nope it s a really old one :) | 12:01 |
| khertan | i found the easiest solution | 12:02 |
| khertan | you want an iphone, you got an iphone | 12:02 |
| khertan | iphone works with iphone only | 12:02 |
| khertan | so enter your contacts manually | 12:02 |
| khertan | :) | 12:02 |
| kerio | khertan: wait, what? | 12:05 |
| kerio | just sync them via usb | 12:05 |
| khertan | via usb ? | 12:05 |
| khertan | lol | 12:05 |
| kerio | yeah, i know | 12:05 |
| kerio | : | 12:05 |
| kerio | er, :| | 12:05 |
| khertan | the older phone have bluetooth | 12:05 |
| kerio | see if there's something to sync via bluetooth in cydia | 12:05 |
| khertan | didn't have usb cable | 12:05 |
| khertan | cydia ... hum ... isn't something which is available after jailbreak ? | 12:06 |
| khertan | as jailbreaking mean more problem for a lambda user ... and i didn't want to manage the problem :) | 12:06 |
| khertan | rewriting it will be better | 12:06 |
| khertan | and maybe after that i ll not hear again that the virtual pseudo keyboard is wonderfull :) | 12:07 |
| kerio | to be fair the virtual kbd is not bad | 12:07 |
| kerio | autocorrection works fine for writing normal text | 12:07 |
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| crashanddie | wtf | 12:09 |
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| khertan | kerio, depends of size of your finger ... and language :) | 12:16 |
| kerio | yeah, it's a lot worse for italian | 12:16 |
| khertan | accent is a pain with it in french | 12:17 |
| khertan | sometime automatically add one when not required | 12:17 |
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| infobot | I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | infobot, sorry? | 12:21 |
| * infobot appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT WAS THOSE BAD PEOPLE OVER THERE!!!" | 12:21 | |
| RichiH | is anyone still running useful stuff on a n810? mine has been gathering dust and that's a pity | 12:21 |
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| RichiH | crashanddie: it's a bloot bot. they have code, which i did not add, which accept me as master unless someone changes the defaults | 12:22 |
| khertan | RichiH, i use mine as a powerfull Hifi :) | 12:22 |
| RichiH | !botsnack | 12:23 |
| RichiH | infobot: botsnack | 12:23 |
| infobot | RichiH: thanks | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | ~botsnack | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | infobot> Someone already said that 3 seconds ago | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | ~hate | 12:23 |
| infobot | Oh, you hate your job? Why didn't you say so? There's a support group for that. It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar. --Drew Carey | 12:23 |
| RichiH | khertan: i was thinking more along the lines of rss reader/news display | 12:24 |
| crashanddie | RichiH, I guess being the FreeNode BOFH has its perks? | 12:24 |
| RichiH | or maybe a cheap (as i already have one) video monitoring thingie | 12:24 |
| RichiH | crashanddie: i think timriker added that before i was staff and just changed the user masks to follow me, but i am not 100% sure | 12:25 |
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| crashanddie | RichiH, I guess that you could make the n810 a relatively nice in-car entertainment system | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Or with bluetooth ODB2 thing and carman... | 12:29 |
| RichiH | crashanddie: it's a leased company car so i am not too keen on modifiying it. also, i don't own a single mini-sd card | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Adaptors to micro are damn near free on ebay | 12:29 |
| RichiH | there is that | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | RichiH, or a media player controller | 12:30 |
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| crashanddie | RichiH, dunno if you use a computer to play movies/music, but a visual remote control that doesn't require field of view can be interesting | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | or as you said, a news/rss feed reader | 12:32 |
| crashanddie | though you'd probably want to make it so that it displays the feeds you maintain from your computer | 12:32 |
| crashanddie | nothing as annoying as having to pick up the device to setup a new feed and having to type a long-ass URL | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | anyway, off for lunch, have a good one all, merry christmas if I don't see you again | 12:33 |
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| cos^ | is maemo.org broken? | 14:15 |
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| zutesmog | yep looks like it | 14:19 |
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| cos^ | dang, just when i needed it | 14:25 |
| zutesmog | try google cache , or do you need the groups | 14:30 |
| cos^ | even google's cache doesn't show the pages | 14:30 |
| zutesmog | bummer | 14:30 |
| cos^ | "Connectiong to static.maemo.org.." | 14:30 |
| cos^ | i'd like to port some qt stuff to diablo | 14:31 |
| cos^ | btw has anyone noticed that the n8x0 devices are still very expensive on ebay | 14:31 |
| cos^ | i'd like to use them in a home cockpit project, but looks like they are still too expensive | 14:32 |
| cos^ | i wonder if there is Qt for 770 | 14:34 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900, ping | 14:47 |
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| Jaffa | cos^: Raised with Nemein support this morning. | 14:51 |
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| trx | DocScrutinizer , about a week ago, we talked about headsets with media player control, you said that we need to see what signals are sent | 14:54 |
| trx | i have everything (almost) | 14:54 |
| trx | as i am total idiot about those things, | 14:55 |
| trx | i wanted to confirm if i need to set it up parallel or serial? | 14:55 |
| trx | (serial i would say ) | 14:55 |
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| cos^ | now i'm installing diablo sdk on the side of fremantle one.. let's see if it'll work at all | 15:02 |
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| cos^ | not too easy :-( | 15:38 |
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| cos^ | /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user | 15:46 |
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| Termana | MERRY CHRISTMAS! | 15:48 |
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| khertan | cos^, it s unusable since this morning for me too | 15:54 |
| khertan | ^^ > cos^> is maemo.org broken? | 15:55 |
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| cos^ | yep, it seems it's broken | 15:58 |
| cos^ | actually some pages load if you wait long enough | 15:58 |
| cos^ | but no stylesheets or images | 15:58 |
| m4k3r | Hello. I've just downloaded zsh from here (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40111 ), and setted it as default shell using `zsh -s /bin/zsh user`; ten i turned off my n900. But now it loopes when booting at startup. | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | m4k3r: flash it | 15:59 |
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| jacekowski | m4k3r: you are not supposed to do it | 15:59 |
| m4k3r | Oh god. Is the only way? | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | m4k3r: maemo depends on that busybox sh implementation | 16:00 |
| jacekowski | m4k3r: do you have bootmenu or something similiar? | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 16:00 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: the R? | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: series | 16:01 |
| m4k3r | Nothing, just as nokia gave me, with a few repo(→programs) installed. | 16:01 |
| m4k3r | s/installed/more | 16:01 |
| m4k3r | jacekowski: there isn't any fallback session or similar? | 16:02 |
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| jacekowski | m4k3r: nope | 16:02 |
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| m4k3r | jacekowski: I've installed ssh, any hope it starts before looping? | 16:03 |
| jacekowski | nope | 16:03 |
| m4k3r | T_T | 16:03 |
| m4k3r | Flashing means also lose every data in my phone? | 16:03 |
| jacekowski | you can disable lifeguard reboot | 16:03 |
| user | has anybody installed vlc on their fon | 16:04 |
| jacekowski | but phone is most likely not going to start anyways | 16:04 |
| user | i know its at alpha stages ryt? | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | RichiH: xchat on N810 :-D | 16:04 |
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| m4k3r | jacekowski: so, what do you suggest? | 16:05 |
| m4k3r | No way to get into my phone's hd? | 16:06 |
| noobmonk3y | do you not have a backup? :P | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | how could this segfault: if (this->source != NULL) { | 16:08 |
| m4k3r | noobmonk3y: it's too old. | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: hehe. this = 0 | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | err NULL | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or crap | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't ask me how | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | Intriguing comments in meego-community from a Nokian about, I guess, harmattan: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002993.html | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: try print this | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | check the value | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess a stack corruption or sth can cause this-> to fail | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: generating a assembler listing on compiling sometimes is mad useful | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | m4k3r: flash it | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | m4k3r: or try disabling lifeguard reboot | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | m4k3r: but most likely flash is the only way | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: boot into rescue initsh, and kick out zsh from /etc/shells | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | nha | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, found it | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | boot process is known to fail on everything except messybox | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: what's it been? | 16:20 |
| m4k3r | Why is wiki.maemo.org so slow? | 16:21 |
| m4k3r | =_= | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: zsh? disabling WD won't help | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, i defined this->source last in the constructor, while higher up in the constructor it was calling methods that used this->source in effect before the object had finished being created | 16:22 |
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| jacekowski | m4k3r: oh | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | m4k3r: then you can only flash it | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | m4k3r: but you can do combined image flash only | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | m4k3r: so it shouldn't delete MyDocs and stuff | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: you seen my advice? | 16:23 |
| m4k3r | jacekowski: yep, the wiki said about a rootfs flashing way. | 16:23 |
| m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: yes, but I don't know initsh, and wiki.maemo.org is slow. | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | HTH | 16:25 |
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| m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: thanks. But it seems to involve the same flashing utilities. | 16:25 |
| BluesLee | maemo.org is down .. any infos on that? | 16:26 |
| m4k3r | Since also rootfs flashing keeps my personal data, I could clean up my phone. | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | too many xmas gifts to flash :-D | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's not down, just slow and shaky | 16:28 |
| m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: also, how is currently MeeGo on n900, still too imature? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least wiki.m.o | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | for me yes | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | still a developer kindergarden | 16:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: what exactly is down for you? | 16:33 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: ping www.maemo.org PING maemo.org (80.248.164.250) 56(84) bytes of data | 16:36 |
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| cos^ | is there any way to dpkg -i without running the pre/post scripts? | 16:42 |
| cos^ | i'm stuck with gconf2's /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user | 16:42 |
| m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: :( | 16:43 |
| m4k3r | .-(~/n900-rescue)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------(maker@tumbolandia)- | 16:43 |
| m4k3r | `--> rpm2cpio kernel-n900-*.rpm | cpio -vid ./boot/vmlinuz* | 16:43 |
| m4k3r | zsh: no matches found: ./boot/vmlinuz* | 16:43 |
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| cos^ | perhaps i just should create a second sb installation just for diablo :-/ | 16:45 |
| jacekowski | cos^: there is | 16:45 |
| jacekowski | cos^: man dpkg | 16:46 |
| jacekowski | dpkg -x | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: this isn't written for zsh. If you use '/boot/vmlinuz*' instead of /boot/vmlinuz* then it might work | 16:46 |
| cos^ | jacekowski: ok, looks like i missed it | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | zsh is quite a bit different it seems, compared to korn shell | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: oops, make that './boot/vmlinuz*' | 16:48 |
| m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: yes, works, thy. | 16:49 |
| cos^ | jacekowski: -x extracts the package | 16:49 |
| cos^ | i just need -i without running the scripts (or ignoring errors) | 16:49 |
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| m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: done, but the recovery terminal hasn't neither chsh neither vim. | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: it has busybox functionality, which also provides vi | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Start recovery terminal (T) | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Contains busybox functionality | 17:09 |
| m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: and I should just remove zsh from /etc/shells? | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes. | 17:09 |
| m4k3r | or s/zsh/sh? | 17:09 |
| m4k3r | Let's look how the file is like. | 17:09 |
| jacekowski | cos^: -x + scripts= -i | 17:09 |
| jacekowski | cos^: so -i without scripts = -x | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | also replace zsh by sh in /etc/passwd, for user "user" (29999 iirc) | 17:10 |
| jacekowski | m4k3r: and don't fuck around with that sort of stuf without a backup | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: a backup wouldn't help too much here | 17:11 |
| m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: Gh, I can't type '/' char xD | 17:12 |
| jacekowski | it would | 17:12 |
| m4k3r | This is so lol. | 17:12 |
| jacekowski | he could just flash it | 17:12 |
| jacekowski | without any problems | 17:12 |
| jacekowski | http://i.imgur.com/dNhrL.png | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: hmm, sorry I can't reproduce this here ATM. I guess there's some weird way you can type a / | 17:13 |
| m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: Yes, it's an italian n900. | 17:14 |
| m4k3r | I think it has to do with this. | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, you got US kbd layout in rescue initrd - I'd bet | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | on my US kbd the / is blue-V | 17:15 |
| jacekowski | it should be same | 17:15 |
| m4k3r | On mine it doesn't type nothing. | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | or: cd etc; sed -i s.zsh.sh. shells | 17:16 |
| m4k3r | lol | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | or cd etc; vi shells | 17:16 |
| m4k3r | And hot to type ':'? | 17:17 |
| m4k3r | *how to | 17:17 |
| m4k3r | Same as '/' | 17:17 |
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| * m4k3r has found '<' and '>' chars \o/ | 17:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I never tested the initrd console. No idea what the meego guys implemented there | 17:18 |
| m4k3r | I can't type neither '-' | 17:18 |
| m4k3r | Shit. | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you tried all the keys (with blue and with shift-blue)? | 17:19 |
| m4k3r | And with Maiusc. | 17:19 |
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| ShadowJK | wtf does "plugin-container" in fennec do when it doesn't have any plugins enabled | 17:23 |
| ShadowJK | 61M RSS | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi ShadowJK :-D | 17:23 |
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| * SpeedEvil hits ShadowJK with the RSS does not matter stick. | 17:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hi SpeedEvil | 17:24 |
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| ShadowJK | where is the disable plugins button :-( | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Hi! | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ - pss/uss is good | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | any advice or hint for m4k3r and his fubar kbd under meego recue initrd? | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | get a picture of the keyboard it is emulating. | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/ :) | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: where's the binary of smem for N900? | 17:30 |
| m4k3r | Neither setkey grub option works. | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | it's python | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | It 'just works' | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the tarball http://www.selenic.com/smem/download/smem-0.9.tar.gz has a smemcap.c though | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | it's somewhat slower than microb :-( | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | fennec? not surprised | 17:43 |
| ShadowJK | the new one that was linked on theregister is much faster than the old ones that had a minute pause to scroll, though | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that's to make pretty graphs | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 17:44 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: RSS does matter | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: why? | 17:45 |
| jacekowski | because that's real memory used by program | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It's not | 17:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's the real memory used by the program, plus the libraries | 17:45 |
| jacekowski | rss %ld Resident Set Size: number of pages the process has in real memory. This is just the pages which count towards text, data, or stack space. This does not include | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | but the libraries can be multiply mapped. | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | pages which have not been demand-loaded in, or which are swapped out. | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | So libc is mapped by every process, and counts fully towards each processes RSS | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | when in fact it's only in memory once. | 17:46 |
| ShadowJK | open new tab, try open another new tab, takes bloody ages. Maybe it's waiting for the tab in background to finish loading first. That's exactly the opposite of what I want. I use tabs because I don't want to wait a minute each for each interesting link to load. | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | well | 17:47 |
| jacekowski | RSS-SHR | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | SHR is very inaccurate | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | the above tool goes and counts the mappings. | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Which reveals that the memory use of many stock maemo little tools is really quite small indeed | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway. | 17:48 |
| * SpeedEvil gets in the shower. | 17:48 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | HELL! updating xchat brought back that annoying blue led flashing on highlights | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and *MUHAHA* for /help ->"plugin defined commands" missing spaces to delimit the commands | 17:51 |
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| RST38h | No new packages | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: restored the plugin I used to "delete" | 17:54 |
| ShadowJK | 350M swap use.. I'd say that's real :) | 17:54 |
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| Clopin | Heya | 17:54 |
| Clopin | Does anybody use MeeGo on their n900 as default yet? | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: check /help ->"plugin defined commands" missing spaces | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: any chances to get a "increment Text box font PT" and "decrement..." command, to map that to some key shortcuts of my liking? | 17:57 |
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| * ShadowJK changes his N9 wishlist, changing ram from 1G to 2G after trying fennec ... | 18:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: i.e. have a "Action" (context Xchat Keyboard Shortcuts) that directly accesses what you normally can do via Xchat->Settings->Preferences: "[Text box]","Font:"->[Browse...]->"Size:" | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: Try Kino and make that 16G :-P | 18:04 |
| RST38h | Doc: I am currently in no position to look at it (NY party, children running everywhere, screaming) | 18:04 |
| RST38h | Doc: So, let us postpone to by a day or two :) | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sure :-) just asking about the chances... | 18:05 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: For Fennec, you probably want to set that to "infinity" =) | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | "postpone" sounds like a fair chance | 18:05 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Swappiness of 30% and no other apps running (other than lightweight bultin ones that is) make latest Fennec beta somewhat bearable though | 18:07 |
| ShadowJK | as far as cpu goes, 600MHz Cortex A8 seems just fine for fennec | 18:09 |
| ShadowJK | So I'd need a second device to run just fennec on, and some way to copy/paste between the two devices | 18:10 |
| * ShadowJK 'd call it regression :-) | 18:10 | |
| RST38h | Use the camera for cut&paste! | 18:10 |
| m4k3r | DocScrutinizer, jacekowski: flashed, all ok. Thank you. | 18:11 |
| kerio | i want 8gb of ram on my n9 | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | m4k3r: glad to hear | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: palmpilot design: all memory is also storage | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | greatly simplifies a lot of things | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Killing microb can help for fennec | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | basically they had all storage memmapped | 18:14 |
| RST38h | Doc: That should rather be called lack of design | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: there are advantages. zero loading times just one of them | 18:15 |
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| RST38h | Doc: and if power goes down... well. | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | they had ram shadowed by flash in some of their devices. others had cmos ram | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on those it was pretty bad to not charge the device for >8 weeks | 18:18 |
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| RST38h | Well,at the end, they had "68000"shadowed by an ARM running 68000 emulation | 18:18 |
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| RST38h | And had 160x160 display size shadowed by the 320x320 display size, inside a 480x320 screen that has been partially used for a trackpad | 18:19 |
| RST38h | All these weird behavioral patterns are summarily known as "lack of design" | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ack | 18:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suffers from a lack of xmas-free resorts, to get some normal food or a drink or anything. 24.12. is so MEH in D | 18:26 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Does nokia make an equivalent of the 3310 anymore? | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Has the 1100 gone away? | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://xkcd.com/835/ hehe | 19:02 |
| * araujo thinks he has seen DocScrutinizer somewhere else | 19:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I have a strange compulsion to make one of those trees | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got a lot of symlinks pointing at me :-P | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - the latest one is cool too | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 19:04 |
| araujo | anybody knows where can I find qmake?, do I need some extra repo? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, for N900? | 19:04 |
| araujo | DocScrutinizer, correct | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess it's included in the scratchbox SDK | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sure about it, might as well be x86 based there | 19:05 |
| RST38h | qmake is shipped with Madde | 19:05 |
| RST38h | In scratchbox, you have to install proper packages | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, generally speaking, it *might* live in tools repo | 19:06 |
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| araujo | RST38h, ah I see, trying now ... | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search qmake | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | libqt4-experimental-dev - Qt 4 development files | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache show libqt4-experimental-dev | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ***BOOM*** | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache show libqt4-experimental-dev|wc -l | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | 144 | 19:10 |
| araujo | there you have ... though I don't get any result with apt-cache search qmake | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Filename: pool/fremantle/free/q/qt4-experimental/libqt4-experimental-dev_4.7.0~git20100802-0maemo1_armel.deb | 19:11 |
| araujo | DocScrutinizer, I think that is part of an extra repo? | 19:11 |
| araujo | that package is not available in my default config | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | tools | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | as suspected above | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess | 19:12 |
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| araujo | oh right, thanks | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so not tools but rather extras-devel, it seems | 19:16 |
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| sobczyk | anyone encountered skype crash? | 19:17 |
| sobczyk | on n900 | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hardly. Never used skype | 19:18 |
| jpinx-eeepc | sobczyk: don't take anythignrecent about skype too seriously - they are having major issues these days | 19:20 |
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| sobczyk | I wanted to test the skype video and apparently it ahnged | 19:22 |
| araujo | DocScrutinizer, it seems it is not in tools | 19:22 |
| sobczyk | hanged. Orange LED is constantly on | 19:22 |
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| MohammadAG | Autonomous charge | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | nope. that's red and indicates frontcam on | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:PatternWebcamActive | 19:29 |
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| *** crashanddie changes topic to "Merry Disappearance; Try Hymn Awash (Merry Christmas and a Happy Newyear) Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 19:29 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | if skype segfaults, odds are this never gets reset | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you do a dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_deactivate string:PatternWebcamActive | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG | back | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | or there's another anagram: "Merry Satan appearances; why dry him?" | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | Merry Christmas everyone :) | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | sobczyk: you can always try to press ctl-bs and then hit the close [x] of skype in the thumbnail | 19:32 |
| * MohammadAG passes the beer around | 19:32 | |
| crashanddie | control-bs? | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'd be happy to get some | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | Controlled Bullshit | 19:33 |
| crashanddie | That's a button we need in this channel... To control the bullshit of some :) | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | heheh | 19:33 |
| * MohammadAG passes a noobmonk3y on the side | 19:33 | |
| MohammadAG | i'm impressed | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | two batteries in a die | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | err, day | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | 2G ftw, till you try to open youtube | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: known. Ever tried that autoconnect or whatever it's called? | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | description claims it auto-switches to 3G "when needed" | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I honestly doubt that'll run smoothly, on most networks. DHCP will give you a new lease with different IP | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | -> xchat and lots of other services need to reconnect | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | established TCP-connects will stall | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | etc | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I never tried it | 19:38 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: not if you run VPN over it | 19:38 |
| luke-jr | or other tunnels | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: true | 19:38 |
| luke-jr | what it needs is seamless handover | 19:38 |
| luke-jr | connect to 3G before it loses WiFi, establish new VPN connection, then terminate old stuff | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | luke-jr: not feasible for 2G-»3G | 19:40 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer-8: perhaps | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | you could hope for 3G accepting and serving a DHCP-request for the previously used IP. And hope for maemo doing that right | 19:43 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer-8: works for me | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | jacekowski: on forced switch 2G<->3G? | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | jacekowski: this isn't a usual handover. It's tearing down the GPRS and then switches band and re-establishes | 19:50 |
| jacekowski | not on forced switch | 19:52 |
| jacekowski | on proper nice handover | 19:52 |
| alterego | to the bar! | 19:53 |
| * alterego gets a round of drinks in :) | 19:53 | |
| pupnik | evenin | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | jacekowski: yeah, exactly what I thought | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | jacekowski: I'd not even expect maemo to handle this in a way it *could* work | 19:58 |
| jacekowski | i doubt t would work at all | 19:59 |
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| jacekowski | ip addresses are assigned by radius/diameter and you have no choice but accept | 19:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | you can refuse | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yeah. usually when you tear down GPRS you give back the lease. then DHCP server won't reuse same IP for quite a time | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | though it *could* | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | assign IP to IMSI | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | reuse it on next lease request | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | each silly DSL-router works like this, based on MAC instead of IMSI | 20:02 |
| trx | yeah | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | nevertheless your sessions in network NAT will get discarded on GPRS teardown | 20:04 |
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| trx | but in some cases it is usefull | 20:04 |
| kerio | i use a fixed ip on my cool router | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | np: Westlife - Sessions in the NAT. | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | so a forced 2G->3G switching is unlikely to go by unnoticed to established TCP connections | 20:05 |
| * SpeedEvil slaps his VPN on the table with a meaty thud. | 20:05 | |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer-8: well, i had a gsm connection with public static ip some time ago | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | one of polish carriers ofer it | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | offer* | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | but not for free | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | nice | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Here it's natted to buggery. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | though I'd really appreciate a NAT/FW to block random bogus pings to my mobile from the internets | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | will suck battery for nuttin | 20:11 |
| * kerio runs a ping -f docscrutinizer.dyndns.org | 20:11 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd love widespread authentication | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Packets without the right key get thrown away at the border router | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | well, as this type of authentication seems isn't any welknown standard, you could as well use a symmetric NAT for that | 20:13 |
| jacekowski | sort of no | 20:13 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer-8: RFC2385 | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | err, thanks. will look at it later | 20:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer-8 tossing pointer over to DocScrutinizer | 20:15 | |
| araujo | anybody knows which package or repo contains qmake? | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | hell | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | that's qt related | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | probably qt-something-dev | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | we told you, didn't we? | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-24 18:15:43] <DocScrutinizer> /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-24 18:16:21] <DocScrutinizer> so not tools but rather extras-devel, it seems | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer |  | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-24 18:08:36] <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# apt-cache search qmake | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-24 18:08:36] <DocScrutinizer> libqt4-experimental-dev - Qt 4 development files | 20:18 |
| araujo | DocScrutinizer, heh, so many channels that If I don't get highlighted I can easily lose tracking the conversation, thanks again :) | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 20:19 |
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| * RST38h wonders what all these people are doing here on the Christmas Eve | 20:20 | |
| jacekowski | i don't believe in christmas | 20:21 |
| luke-jr | still tomorrow | 20:21 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: what else? | 20:22 |
| kerio | to my defense, i'm a nerd | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: hoping for a place where I don't have to cope with it | 20:22 |
| Choom | I kinda share the sentiment | 20:23 |
| Choom | not about christmas but about people | 20:23 |
| Choom | I like christmas, just don't like to have people around | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: now you introduce this icky topic even here, to my last resort | 20:23 |
| Choom | the environment is nice | 20:23 |
| RST38h | Doc: It is ok, I can start quoting random SCP articles if you wish=) | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: to sum up the RFC. Jam an md5 hash of the packet and a secret known to both sides into the TCP header. Reciever can verify by doing hte inverse hash | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no key negotiation, nothing, it just goes in all TCP packets of a connection. | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | sender IP and port, though can be spoofed, usually will serve same purpose | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | == NAT | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | specifically symmetric NAT | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | though I hate the term | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | I think PNAT is the correct term | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | meh peanuts | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw: since I swapped the battery in my N810, there's not been a single (unsolicited nor any other) reboot :-D | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems bme keeping battery floating @ Vmax for 2 years is more than enough to make the cell act up | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's wait and see - there've been uptimes of >30 days even with the "old worn out" battery | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | not recently though | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, well, I don't celebrate it, and I was out all day :P | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | [1|user@Nokia-N810-23-14|~]uptime -> 19:41:17 up 13 days, 13:07, load average: 0.33, 0.26, 0.19 | 20:42 |
| araujo | mm... now I get broken deps for installing libqt4-experimental-dev ..... | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | MohammadAG: h-e-n GUI still calling vboost.sh? | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | that or vbuson.sh, can't remember exactly | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | np | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | thanks | 20:52 |
| pupnik | arr | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | gdi | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | how the hell do I get current volume level | 20:55 |
| pupnik | has anyone run hildon-desktop and assorted crud on a non-n900 device? | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | it's on youtube | 20:55 |
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| pupnik | i wanted to remove some annoyances from chrome/chromium browser and it takes 10 gigabytes to build | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'd guess there's that abomination called gconf to ask for volume level | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I mean, IF that were a *sane* system with respect to audio, then you'd do a amixer -c 0 cget numid=17 | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | it's not gconf DocScrutinizer | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas I doubt this will pan out in the end, for this PA crap | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.get_extension_property string:volume | 21:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer coughs | 21:02 | |
| * DocScrutinizer always starts coughing when somebody says mafw | 21:02 | |
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| RST38h | Where is your enthusiasm? | 21:03 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, he left it at tmo | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | abstraction layer on a audio framework doing mixing on behalf of for a sound server doing mixing on begalf and while using ALSA | 21:04 |
| RST38h | coooool | 21:04 |
| RST38h | so every code monkey inthis chain gets to do mixing, with passion | 21:05 |
| RST38h | Have I told you that I also do mixing, before pumping audio out to the simple_pa API? =) | 21:05 |
| pupnik | can i change an X resource key in realtime? | 21:05 |
| * MohammadAG kinda fell and slid on his N900 :P | 21:05 | |
| pupnik | hm n | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | no scratches :D | 21:06 |
| araujo | DocScrutinizer, a question, do you actually have qmake installed? | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | on the N900? | 21:06 |
| araujo | yes MohammadAG | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | the one in the repos won't work | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not THAT crazy :-P | 21:07 |
| araujo | MohammadAG, can you point me out to the one that does? :) | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | bug 11445 | 21:07 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11445 Package libqt4-dev 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5_armel.deb contains Intel386 binaries | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | see the last comment | 21:07 |
| araujo | ok, thanks! | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhahaha | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ egoshin | 21:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders idly what's the number of names he frequently runs into when looking up any maemo development related stuff | 21:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer | actually not that large a number | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, aren't we like 20 users? | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | take or take a few? | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | (see what I did there?) | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SHR (on N900) progress is incredible, given their noticeably <1dozen devels | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | SHR? | 21:14 |
| * MohammadAG recalls seeing the name | 21:14 | |
| MohammadAG | A minute of silence for the devs we lost, either to the trolls, or MeeGo | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://shr-project.org | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Hardware | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why did they blur out Jesus's number? | 21:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | http://shr-project.org/trac/attachment/wiki/Screenshots/contacts3_.png :P | 21:17 |
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| RST38h | Finally, a real Jesus pic | 21:19 |
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| noobmonk3y | happy christmas alls! time to head out for a good old xmas eve out :0 | 21:28 |
| araujo | now anybody knows the repo for libgles2-sgx-img-dev ? | 21:30 |
| araujo | ... | 21:30 |
| * MohammadAG throws a bottle of wine to noobmonk3y | 21:31 | |
| * noobmonk3y grins | 21:33 | |
| noobmonk3y | evening Mo :0 | 21:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer opens up the cheesy cheap PET bottle of Cuban rum | 21:34 | |
| MohammadAG | hey noobmonk3y :) | 21:34 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, is there a way to get current volume level with Qt? | 21:35 |
| noobmonk3y | right booze is awaiting, have a lovely xmas alls! | 21:35 |
| noobmonk3y | oh erm | 21:35 |
| * noobmonk3y waits | 21:35 | |
| noobmonk3y | erm... errrr. | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Amazing! The Antimon is hardly detectable | 21:35 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, in the next release of mobility supposedly, not yet | 21:36 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, oh well, thanks | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | enjoy your night :) | 21:36 |
| noobmonk3y | they haven't touched on the lower levels yet.... its literally things like play, rewind etc, volume + hardware is next | 21:36 |
| * noobmonk3y meant multimedia, but meh, will be the same time... again, supposedly | 21:37 | |
| noobmonk3y | assuming the nokia news is right, should be january/feb | 21:37 |
| noobmonk3y | but then the n900 coming out in august/sept... cough *december* lol | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | My mediaplayer needs to be out before then | 21:37 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm, can you use n900 tools till then, then upgrade? | 21:38 |
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| MohammadAG | well | 21:38 |
| * noobmonk3y meant n900 specific* | 21:38 | |
| MohammadAG | I don't need to, I'm using mafw :P | 21:38 |
| noobmonk3y | :p | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | HEY, I also have a Cuban cigar left over somewhere | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | mafw is N900 specific so :) | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, isn't there a local bar? :P | 21:39 |
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| noobmonk3y | ooo cuban | 21:39 |
| * MohammadAG wants to go out somewhere | 21:39 | |
| * noobmonk3y is jealous | 21:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | on xmess eve? you're kidding | 21:39 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, get your ass over to the UK :) | 21:39 |
| noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, local bars are great on xmas eve! | 21:39 |
| noobmonk3y | just dont go into towns :P | 21:39 |
| * noobmonk3y 's taxi... erm.... girlfriend isn't back, so , brb ciggy! | 21:40 | |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, oh, I wish | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | here it's "quiet earth" http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nzvideos.org/quietCD.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.nzvideos.org/quietCD.html&h=309&w=304&sz=25&tbnid=xTdp1OKVis_FuM:&tbnh=117&tbnw=115&prev=/images?q=quiet+earth&zoom=1&q=quiet+earth&usg=__KBTIKXFVOVkLoP8XVeSsrrgTvzA=&sa=X&ei=MPcUTeKAAoyv8QOSn4SEBw&ved=0CC4Q9QEwBA | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, isn't germany's beer the best? :P | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | there we go again | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Frankonian beer is best | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | again with the "Die"s at the first of the sentence | 21:41 |
| * MohammadAG dies | 21:41 | |
| * MohammadAG is annoyed at the "Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz", "heeeeeeeeellppppppp" "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" keywords on tmo | 21:42 | |
| pupnik | lol | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quiet_Earth_(film) | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz NUUUUUUUUUUUKE | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | luuuuuuuuuuuuzers | 21:43 |
| pupnik | 'xyz beers are the best' is probably the wrong way to think about it | 21:44 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, i agree entirely... wtf ... plzzzzz? that realllly annoys me! | 21:44 |
| pupnik | 'xyz has many/few good beers of type jkl' | 21:44 |
| pupnik | 'germany has many good beers of type pilsner' | 21:44 |
| pupnik | 'england has many good beers of type ale' | 21:45 |
| noobmonk3y | and sluts but anyway | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: ack, though most good beers here aren't type Pilsener, rather Lager or Keller | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | the good German Pilsener are all from North | 21:46 |
| pupnik | a fresh hoppy taste blends well with alcohol. it's like dressing it in clean linens | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 21:47 |
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| pupnik | so i'm looking at angstrom, and looking at hildon-desktop | 21:48 |
| pupnik | and thinking "why not jazz-up angstrom with it" | 21:48 |
| pupnik | thoughts? | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nothing "LOS MARINOS" (with tasty Antimon) couldn't cure | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: well, HD isn't THAT bad, *if* you got a number of fixes | 22:03 |
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