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| bernie | SpeedEvil: yeah, it's pulseaudio. if I run it manually from the terminal I get audio back | 00:04 |
| nox- | heh there were times when ppl ran apaches on 486s... | 00:04 |
| bernie | SpeedEvil: but not in the mediaplayer. that's still wacked. | 00:04 |
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| bernie | wreaked | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | let me guess, you have decoders-support installed? | 00:05 |
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| Gh0sty | lol I got something funky | 00:08 |
| Gh0sty | I reflashed my device today, restored everything from a backup | 00:08 |
| Gh0sty | the alarmed entries were not there I tought (when you open the app it's empty) | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | bernie: odd indeed | 00:09 |
| Gh0sty | but now I noticed that the entries should be somewhere because my phone just went into silent mode ... which fits with the previous profiles set :) | 00:09 |
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| bernie | SpeedEvil: there doesn't seem to be a log where I would find errors from the pulseaudio spawned by the system. | 00:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm not bothering. | 00:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've just downloaded the pr1.4 global firmware, and am rsyncing the data off the phone | 00:16 |
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| bernie | SpeedEvil: where did you download that from? | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | ~sarcasm | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh no! I'm not supposed to say that! | 00:16 |
| infobot | rumour has it, sarcasm is a troll rolling on the stone | 00:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | (as it was a typo) | 00:16 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all, anyone know what the performance of psx4m is like? | 00:17 |
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| ShadowJK | there's a pr1.4? | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 00:17 |
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| Pradeep | is it possible to update firmware via usb LAN | 00:18 |
| PhonicUK | If you have a Windows PC to hand, you can just update over USB | 00:19 |
| bernie | Pradeep: would updating from usb retain the settings and user data? I guess so... | 00:20 |
| Pradeep | cos i tried it | 00:20 |
| bernie | I updated with apt, and now I'm seeing some weird bugs with pulseaudio and gstreamer. maybe related, maybe not | 00:21 |
| Pradeep | it would always ask for preffered connection and it does show LAN | 00:21 |
| Pradeep | only support wlan | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | flashing via usb wipes settings and installed apps | 00:21 |
| Pradeep | apt does not update firmware | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: alarmed maybe doesn't backup his events, but obviously alarmd does | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bernie: if you happen to have done a apt-get (dist-)upgrade; then you're lucky if your system still boots | 00:45 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:49 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iYpxRXlboQ Aubrey de Grey: Why we age and how we can avoid it | 01:26 |
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| quanttrom | hello all, I have a question regarding the installation of QtRapids and it's dependencies | 01:34 |
| quanttrom | anyways willing to help ? :D | 01:34 |
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| comawhite | quanttrom, why you need a bit torrent on a phone? :P | 01:38 |
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| quanttrom | comawhite: honest answer: for kicks. There really isn't a good reason | 01:39 |
| quanttrom | it's kinda like "oh see what my phone can do" | 01:39 |
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| quanttrom | and the typical answer : why not!? | 01:40 |
| comawhite | ah yes | 01:40 |
| Venemo | quanttrom: how is this related to a phone? | 01:40 |
| comawhite | I want my app to work on the phone :( | 01:40 |
| Venemo | oh, okay | 01:41 |
| Venemo | what's the problem? | 01:41 |
| quanttrom | in short | 01:41 |
| comawhite | Venemo, me? | 01:41 |
| quanttrom | oh yeah, who are u asking? | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | is gitorious slow? :/ | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | Receiving objects: 16% (2710/16161), 1.04 MiB 1 KiB/s | 01:41 |
| Venemo | comawhite: so what's the problem? | 01:41 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: it's been giving me 503s all day | 01:41 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: at random occasions | 01:42 |
| comawhite | Venemo, nothing expect it needs code to be written | 01:42 |
| comawhite | except* | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly MiB 1 KiB/s | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | fatal: early EOF | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 01:42 |
| Venemo | comawhite: you said it was a dependency problem | 01:42 |
| comawhite | no | 01:43 |
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| Venemo | comawhite: if it requires writing code, then write code | 01:44 |
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| comawhite | Venemo, I am :) it's just taking a long time since I have to write the code for my desktop first then port it to the phone | 01:46 |
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| comawhite | only bad thing about having my desktop application in KDE, having to make two versions of it | 01:47 |
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| Venemo | comawhite: :) | 01:47 |
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| Pradeep | it would always ask me for my preffered connection and LAN was inclusive | 01:56 |
| Pradeep | even when i did apt-get ugrade it did not update it | 01:56 |
| Pradeep | i connect my n900 via usb to my computer on a LAN | 01:56 |
| Pradeep | apt does not update firmware | 01:56 |
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| yigal | Does anyone know if the "swirl to zoom" functionality of the N900 in Maemo could be ported to Ubuntu - not sure if "swirl to zoom" is the correct language but it's the ability to fluidly increase the zoom of the default browser by rotating (counter)clockwise etc. | 02:30 |
| yigal | ? | 02:30 |
| yigal | The above "?" was just a gramatical mark, not a remark about not being replied to in less than 10s. | 02:31 |
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| yigal | ok 7 minutes I'll repeat, there's been a few new heads | 02:40 |
| yigal | Does anyone know if the "swirl to zoom" functionality of the N900 in Maemo could be ported to Ubuntu - not sure if "swirl to zoom" is the correct language but it's the ability to fluidly increase the zoom of the default browser by rotating (counter)clockwise etc.? | 02:40 |
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| ds3 | Bah, no one seems to make a tablet with stuff I want in it :( | 02:50 |
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| yigal | ds3: what do you want in it, a pretty girl? | 02:58 |
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| ds3 | yigal: no, I think what I want in it is pretty tame - 800x480; cap touch; wifi + bluetooth; non Android Linux; SD slot, USB OTG | 03:00 |
| ds3 | as far as I can tell, most either fail at the bluetooth and/or are android | 03:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | SD - you ,ean fullsize? | 03:05 |
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| ds3 | preferred but not a requirement | 03:07 |
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| vampir | æèâûå åñòü | 03:23 |
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| ds3 | !!!!! | 03:24 |
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| yigal | ds3: so you want < 7"? | 03:27 |
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| femtosecond | hi guys | 03:29 |
| yigal | too fast for me man | 03:30 |
| femtosecond | is it possible to update to 20.2010.36-2 without reflashing? | 03:30 |
| ds3 | yigal: No, 7" is preferable | 03:31 |
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| yigal | ds3: do you know how the port of Ubuntu on the galexy tab is going? | 03:33 |
| yigal | too expensive? | 03:33 |
| ds3 | yigal: I am trying to stick with what is preloaded so I don't spend eternity and more tweaking it to support all the stuff, esp. power management | 03:34 |
| ds3 | there are some choices if I relinquish the non Android requirement | 03:34 |
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| yigal | I hate android | 03:36 |
| yigal | just mo though | 03:36 |
| ds3 | It is hard to tolerate after years of Maemo usage where things worked. | 03:37 |
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| yigal | ya | 03:37 |
| ds3 | i am trying to find a tablet to use; not to tinker with and it seems like no one makes one | 03:38 |
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| yigal | ya they are all much larger | 03:38 |
| yigal | you could get an iPad lol | 03:39 |
| ds3 | I am willing to up all the way up to 10" if that helps | 03:39 |
| ds3 | no, it must run Linux =) | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Tablets on android basically are not quite tehre yet. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Tablets on other linuxes even less so typically | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | unless you're willing to run ubuntu or something. | 03:40 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: I consider the N800/N900 there and ready. just need to add a few more details | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Intel claim that tehre will be a few doxen atom tablets launching next year | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | But tehre are no similar integrated tablet OSs that are linux based and not iOS or android | 03:41 |
| ds3 | Intel isn't an option | 03:41 |
| yigal | I'm running Ubuntu on an Asus t91mt it's 8.9" weighs 2.1lbs it has multitouch zoom, pan, and what not but it's multitouch resistive it also has a keyboard which I like but others would most likely find that extra bulk in the way. | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | LEave it a year, and this may change | 03:41 |
| ds3 | it isn't multitouch that I care for | 03:41 |
| ds3 | I am willing to tolerate resistive if it is tweaked sufficiently like the N900 | 03:42 |
| yigal | the multitouch features are just coming into Ubuntu/rest of the open source community | 03:42 |
| yigal | zooming is the issue for me | 03:42 |
| ds3 | a rocker would suffice for zooming, IMO | 03:43 |
| yigal | unlike the n900 with the twirl to zoom | 03:43 |
| yigal | ds3: true | 03:43 |
| yigal | worked well enough in n8x0 | 03:43 |
| ds3 | I can completely give up the volume keys and trade it for zooming (i.e. like the browser defaults) | 03:43 |
| yigal | yes | 03:43 |
| yigal | speak brother | 03:43 |
| yigal | amen | 03:43 |
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| ds3 | It really sucks to have to buy a peice of crap Android tablet and spend a few months to rework it (note that I have not nailed down a price point!) | 03:44 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders about modding the n900 with a larger screen. | 03:44 | |
| yigal | lol | 03:45 |
| yigal | SpeedEvil: man I wish it had come out as a 7" device | 03:45 |
| ds3 | the irritating thing with that is, there aren't any cheap ones that will meet what I want (most lack bluetooth) | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | A 8" or so screen, with the existing keyboard off the side. | 03:45 |
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| ds3 | SpeedEvil: I can build one up with a 7" display but there are things you build and things you want to use now. | 03:46 |
| yigal | Archos 70 | 03:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: I agree | 03:46 |
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| ds3 | Archos 70 seems to be a europe only release? | 03:46 |
| yigal | nope | 03:46 |
| quanttrom | PROMPT_COMMAND='pwd>&7;kill -STOP $$' | 03:46 |
| yigal | though I'm just looking at umpcportal | 03:46 |
| ds3 | last I checked (about month ago), no US seller is listing it | 03:47 |
| yigal | http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=archos+70&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=2056536557841999780&ei=l7UOTee0BYm4sAPOivG-Ag&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDkQ8wIwAg# | 03:47 |
| yigal | sorry a lot of venders there | 03:47 |
| yigal | Newegg etc. | 03:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | And at least archos seems to provice GPL of some form, though I haven't checked | 03:48 |
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| ds3 | hmmm that wasn't there the last I looked | 03:48 |
| yigal | hopefully it's of use | 03:49 |
| yigal | though I can't stomache purchasing an Android tablet unless maybe the Adam | 03:49 |
| yigal | maybe | 03:49 |
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| ds3 | $270 + a man month of labor... that's $$$$ | 03:50 |
| yigal | time is $, $ is time | 03:50 |
| yigal | true that | 03:50 |
| ds3 | and the Archos is still an inferior screen compared to the N900/N810 | 03:51 |
| yigal | well if you like the idea of a t91mt I show you how to easily get Ubuntu with touch on it, but I think you're looking for a slightly different device. | 03:52 |
| ds3 | t91mt? /me looks | 03:53 |
| yigal | the nice thing about the Archos 7 is it's really quite light | 03:53 |
| yigal | it's a netbook/tablet convertable | 03:53 |
| yigal | I use it for everything though | 03:54 |
| ds3 | oh 5hour battery life? HAHAHAHAHAHA | 03:54 |
| ds3 | that is funny | 03:54 |
| yigal | ya, I have an external battery pack | 03:54 |
| ds3 | I found a picture of it; looks like an overgrown clam shell Zaurus :D | 03:54 |
| yigal | yep, but the keyboard is large enough to actually use all 10 fingers | 03:54 |
| yigal | so to me that's a huge change | 03:55 |
| ds3 | I see... but isn't that also true of the Toshiba AC100? | 03:55 |
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| yigal | yes | 03:57 |
| yigal | is it a convertable? | 03:58 |
| ds3 | think so | 03:58 |
| ds3 | ARM based, not x86 | 03:58 |
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| yigal | right, can't really say I think it's just a netbook | 04:00 |
| ds3 | depends on how important is battery life | 04:00 |
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| ds3 | also with an ARM based system, you have a slight chance of running existing maemo binaries | 04:02 |
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| yigal | true, no doubt but with an atom processor you have a good chance running all of Debian/Ubuntu binaries, it depends on what you want | 04:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno how the battery life of the new atom tablets will be. | 04:06 |
| ds3 | yes, but most stock x86 binaries aren't designed for touch | 04:06 |
| ds3 | the UI on those things really want you to have a mouse | 04:06 |
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| femtosecond | which is the best way to update to Maemo 5 PR1.3? | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Over the air is simplest if you can | 04:11 |
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| yigal | ds3: sure, but I find using a stylus it doesn't make too much difference, and I use a stylus | 04:13 |
| ds3 | yigal: fair enough... what about charger, does that thing charge off USB? | 04:14 |
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| yigal | Nope it's a netbook with a touchscreen that pivots into a tablet, I can't imagine too many people, other than myself will enjoy the idea :), but for me it's perfect | 04:15 |
| femtosecond | SpeedEvil: so no need to reflash? | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle no. But some peoples setups can'do that for various reasons | 04:17 |
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| yigal | well other than the fact that of course I would like 24h of battery life and I get 4. | 04:18 |
| ds3 | heh | 04:18 |
| ds3 | I am resisting that idea as I toyed with the early transmeta tablets | 04:18 |
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| yigal | how many hours did they get, 1? | 04:19 |
| yigal | tc1100? | 04:19 |
| yigal | sorry that's an HP tablet of roughly the same specs | 04:20 |
| ds3 | tc1000 | 04:20 |
| ds3 | about an hour is right | 04:20 |
| yigal | lol, ya the tc1100 came later but with roughly the same specs | 04:21 |
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| ds3 | the 1100 is a celeron, IIRC..the 1000 is the transmeta I think | 04:22 |
| yigal | yes tc1100 is celeron, the way I look at it they weigh 3/2 as much as my laptop and have 1/3 1/4 the battery life as it | 04:22 |
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| ds3 | heh, true... I much rather have an ARM instead | 04:23 |
| yigal | you're looking for ~8 hours of battery life? | 04:23 |
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| yigal | ~12 | 04:23 |
| infobot | i guess 12 is 1 | 04:23 |
| yigal | lol | 04:23 |
| yigal | ~2 | 04:23 |
| infobot | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. | 04:23 |
| yigal | lol | 04:23 |
| ds3 | 24hour is the target; I'll tolerate N900 range battery life | 04:24 |
| ds3 | that's why I would prefer USB charging; then I get one of those USB batteries to supplement | 04:25 |
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| yigal | ya, I've grown used to a bit more power but you're right it's really all that's needed to get things done | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a laptop that with a replacement battery gets 15 hours, and weighs 1.1Kg | 04:26 |
| yigal | awsome | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, it's a PII/300 | 04:26 |
| yigal | oh, lol | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | And has USB1.1 and no wifi | 04:26 |
| yigal | lol | 04:26 |
| yigal | bluetooth? | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | (I replaced the battery, and got 10h - but battery capacity has improved) | 04:26 |
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| ds3 | PII/300 is sufficient | 04:31 |
| ds3 | the ~2.5lbs is a bit annoying though | 04:31 |
| xenno | Does the BTS send the cell-id to the mobile unit you're calling to? or is that information just stored in VLR? sorry for stupid question :( | 04:33 |
| yigal | laters, good food for thought | 04:34 |
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| xenno | anyone?? | 04:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | ds3: yes - it's just comparing the spec is fucking insane as you pretty much can't buy a comparable device. | 04:35 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: *nod* | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, nice 10" netbook, with a trackpoint, and 12h battery life, and 1.1Kg - where? | 04:36 |
| ptl | ipad? | 04:36 |
| * ptl ducks | 04:36 | |
| ds3 | the AC100 comes close | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ipad lacks keyboard | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ciao.co.uk/Toshiba_Portege_3110CT__17232 | 04:38 |
| ds3 | it looks like the AC100 is not convertable | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ac100.com/ | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not up to that. | 04:40 |
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| ds3 | more of - http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/laptops/361312/toshiba-ac100/media | 04:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:45 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - saw that | 04:46 |
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| b-man|RX51 | xnt14: lies xD | 04:53 |
| xnt14 | b-man|RX51: I'm kidding. :P | 04:54 |
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| juk | hey guys how to remove photo tag i made, for some pics i removed, but tag is still there | 04:56 |
| juk | i thought i'll be able to remove as easly while tagging those pics | 05:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | juk: any picture tool that can do stuff with EXIF tags | 05:11 |
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| juk | SpeedEvil: nevermind http://www.ljdiaz.com/how-to-delete-photo-tags-on-your-n900/ | 05:13 |
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| ds3 | 7 | 05:49 |
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| disco_stu | i'm trying to monitor a room's temperature remotely with my n800, someone has some knowledge about precision of the measures ? | 05:59 |
| tank-man | n800 has the hardware to measure room temp? | 06:01 |
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| tank-man | i didn't know that | 06:01 |
| disco_stu | tank-man, well.. it's not intended for that.. but i can be used if the tablet is not producing heat | 06:01 |
| disco_stu | i'll be monitoring my datacenter's temp and ac power supply using my n800 | 06:02 |
| disco_stu | maybe pinging some servers too :) | 06:02 |
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| jacekowski | disco_stu: it's producing a lot of heat | 06:06 |
| jacekowski | disco_stu: that sensor is in middle between battery cpu and everything | 06:06 |
| jacekowski | disco_stu: and you will get 10C or more than real temperature | 06:07 |
| disco_stu | jacekowski, i'll run tests tomorrow and compare with my installed sensors | 06:07 |
| disco_stu | now its reading 33°C which i think is very accurate | 06:08 |
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| jacekowski | disco_stu: it's more like -9 here | 06:26 |
| jacekowski | and snow | 06:26 |
| jacekowski | my thermocouple is all frozen | 06:26 |
| disco_stu | jacekowski, lol.. where r u ? | 06:27 |
| jacekowski | england | 06:28 |
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| rednose | Hello, I just got my hands on a 2nd hand n900 and I want to flash it back to factory settings. Reading the Wiki it tells me I need to flash the eMMC and rootfs but one page(1) tells me to "always flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image" and the other one(2) tells me to flash FIASCO image first then the eMMC image. which one is right? | 07:10 |
| rednose | (1) http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 (2) http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5#Tips_.26_troubleshooting | 07:11 |
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| luke-jr_ | rednose: I'm not sure it really matters | 07:19 |
| luke-jr_ | just don't boot in between | 07:19 |
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| rednose | luke-jr_ Can you brick the n900 by getting the flashing wrong? | 07:24 |
| luke-jr_ | rednose: if you try | 07:24 |
| rednose | luke-jr_: bricked to the point of not being unbrickable? | 07:24 |
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| luke-jr_ | you should be ok as long as you don't use -x, -s, -2 | 07:25 |
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| rednose | Do I want the PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Global release for Nokia N900 for use in the UK? | 07:57 |
| Necc | .36-2 ? | 07:58 |
| Necc | what's the difference? | 07:59 |
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| rednose | Necc: the was UK variant for PR 1.2 not anymore? And I do not know | 08:00 |
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| rednose | Why does Nokia hide the download behind a IMEI number login ? I sure that breaks the GPL | 08:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | rednose: It doesn't | 08:16 |
| SpeedEvil | rednose: That is the binary only | 08:16 |
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| rednose | SpeedEvil: so the source (GPL source that is) is not locked down like that then? | 08:18 |
| SpeedEvil | the binary contains non GPL components | 08:19 |
| SpeedEvil | the source is available | 08:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Of the GPL components | 08:20 |
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| ds3 | it is prefectly legit to put it behind a IMEI number login | 08:20 |
| ds3 | GPL doesn't require more | 08:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | GPL requires absolutely nothng about the distribution of binaries if you make source available | 08:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rednose: (1) also tellsa you why to do it that way, and that it had different instructions in the past that were not appropriate | 08:27 |
| ds3 | GPL only requires you to make source available to folks you have given binaries to. nothing more. | 08:29 |
| ds3 | if you have the device, you have the binaries and thus you have the sources. so nothing wrong with an IMEI login | 08:29 |
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| rednose | DocScrutinizer: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php tells me to do it the other way around..... | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | while http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5#Tips_.26_troubleshooting gives some rationale why you must flash rootfs as well when flashing eMMC, but has no word at all why eMMC must be flashed last | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | rednose: nope, reread it | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually IIRC http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php has no special advice about the sequence | 08:31 |
| slonopotamus | anyone has example usage of HildonFileSelection? | 08:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | while both http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5#Tips_.26_troubleshooting AND http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 explain why it's bad to flash eMMC and then not flash rootfs (reread and look for "opt" keyword) | 08:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rednose: what of >>Rationale: on accidental booting in between the 2 flash processes, the sequence formerly suggested (rootfs first) will result in a broken system. The sequence "eMMC first, then rootfs" is checked back with Nokia affiliates and is proven to work<< made you worry? | 08:36 |
| rednose | from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php "Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 | 08:37 |
| rednose | NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes." | 08:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, so they rolled back the notice there | 08:38 |
| rednose | so FIASCO then eMMC then FIASCO ? eh?! | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | this page is *wrong* | 08:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: please can you check http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php and finally edit this advice for good, please | 08:39 |
| rednose | DocScrutinizer: So do I take it that Nokia website is right? | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | rednose: actually that sequene will always work, and is what a *lot* of people end up doing, as it's really hard to avoid booting after flashing rootfs / prior to e,,c flash | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | rednose: I start to feel you're trolling, and I'm not interested in this | 08:42 |
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| rednose | DocScrutinizer: I am a noob I just got my n900 3 days ago 2nd hand and I do not want to brick it | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you CAN NOT brick it, whatever you do (except water, sledgehammers, and lightning stoke) | 08:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | odds are you'll "brick" it when following the Nokia page advice, and will have to flash rootfs AFTER your eMMC flash | 08:44 |
| rednose | DocScrutinizer: Thats very nice to hear! | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 has been tested by hundereds of people, and it simply works | 08:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while Nokia's advice *might* be needed anytime in the future, if for example Nokia decides to change size of swap or sth like that. With recent eMMC img it's simply useless to "always flash rootfs first" | 08:48 |
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| rednose | so RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin first then RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin just so i'm 100% right? | 08:50 |
| NokiaGuru | you however should switch on the N900 while pointing it direction east *only* | 08:50 |
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| rednose | very funny. I can see your name switch | 08:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now I'll watch how long it takes till 7 webpages quote that and everybody is concerned why there's no compass shipped with N900 :-P | 08:51 |
| rednose | haha | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | rednose: (so RX...) right | 08:51 |
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| rednose | Ok. Time to pray to god of flashing! | 08:52 |
| rednose | if the is one.... | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll love it as once you got hte catch how to do it, it's an amazingly easy and convenient and fast procedure | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | start flasher cmd, wait for "no device found, waiting...", THEN plug in the powered down N900 while holding 'u' | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems this procedure always works | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | except if you have some problems with your PC, or your battery is empty. It is *REALLY* important to fully charge battery | 08:55 |
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| tealbird | I trashed my partition table on the internal mmc but it hasn't unmounted the partitions so I'm doing a backup to an external card and then will try to restore the default partition table via sfdisk using an alternative to maemo, wish me luck | 09:00 |
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| ds3 | tealbird: wonder if you can use /proc/partitions to read back the values and write them out? | 09:06 |
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| tealbird | ds3: the default partition table is posted on the wiki so I was going to use that | 09:09 |
| tealbird | http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | tealbird: crossing my fingers | 09:10 |
| tealbird | thank you :) | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need any sfdisk printout or sth? | 09:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | also a swapoff is probably a good idea | 09:12 |
| tealbird | sfdisk printout wouldn't hurt though it's on the wiki | 09:12 |
| tealbird | At least, I hope thats accurate | 09:13 |
| ds3 | ah | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | toss me the exact cmdline (no sfdisk expert here) | 09:13 |
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| tealbird | sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 should do it | 09:13 |
| tealbird | uh | 09:13 |
| tealbird | wait a second, there's a better version | 09:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://pastebin.com/Tjssyy8d | 09:14 |
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| rednose | DocScrutinizer: Thanks I'm now running version 20.2010.36-2. that is the newest version? | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 09:15 |
| tealbird | thank you | 09:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yw :-) | 09:15 |
| Pradeep | apt does not update firmware | 09:16 |
| Pradeep | i connect my n900 via usb to my computer on a LAN | 09:16 |
| Pradeep | even when i did apt-get ugrade it did not update it | 09:16 |
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| rednose | DocScrutinizer: is "My Nokia subscription" opt in with PR 1.3? | 09:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pradeep: wasn't that you whom I told yesterday "do NOT do apt-get upgrade"? | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | rednose: nope | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | still a cherry PITA | 09:19 |
| ds3 | has there ever been an opt-in "My Nokia"? | 09:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no | 09:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | No? | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's just been pkg notmynokia | 09:19 |
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| ds3 | or the hack where you de-sim it, boot it, hack it up, flush sms, re-sim | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 09:20 |
| rednose | DocScrutinizer: Ok time to friendy with Xterminal I love Linux | 09:20 |
| rednose | I run Gentoo on my main rig | 09:20 |
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| Pradeep | so i must use wireless to update | 09:21 |
| tealbird | DocScrutinizer: that does appear to match the wiki page | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | pffffuh | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 09:23 |
| Pradeep | DocScrutinizer then hw do i do it if i dont have a wireless | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, this is from a rather unmangled device | 09:23 |
| Pradeep | huh | 09:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pradeep: the use USB networking | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | the wiki has a howto | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | then* | 09:25 |
| bernie | any idea what could be breaking gstreamer on fremantle 1.3? | 09:26 |
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| Pradeep | so how do i do it cos search the internet all tru yesterday on this | 09:28 |
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| rednose | I have a entry in /var/spool/sms/regs_out.txt but nothing in /var/spool/sms/outgoing/ this phone has never seen a sim card | 09:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bernie: powerkernel? | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | rednose: install notmynokia. AIUI it takes care about cleaning up | 09:49 |
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| joppu | Stiil some more shameless self-advertizing, but if anyone would be willing to test this theme I would greatly appriciate it | 09:51 |
| joppu | since it's one vote from extras | 09:51 |
| joppu | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/miku-theme/0.9/ | 09:51 |
| Pradeep | please someone should ans me | 09:51 |
| Pradeep | huh | 09:51 |
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| bernie | DocScrutinizer: no, I have 2.6.28-omap1 | 09:53 |
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| bernie | DocScrutinizer: I have libgstreamer0.10-0_0.10.25-0maemo4+0m5 | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pradeep: | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usb-networking | 09:55 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, usb-networking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bernie: no idea | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications | 09:57 |
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| Pradeep | ok i would read that then | 10:02 |
| Pradeep | if not would look for windows system and install ovi suite then update my fone from there | 10:03 |
| Pradeep | cos i dont have any wireless network around me | 10:03 |
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| bernie | on my n900, this command line fails for mp3: | 10:07 |
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| bernie | gst-launch -v playbin uri='file:///home/user/MyDocs/Music/foobar.mp3' | 10:08 |
| bernie | works for ogg vorbis | 10:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | Make sure you have the LAME mp3 plugin installed? | 10:08 |
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| bernie | RobbieThe1st: what's the deb name? | 10:10 |
| RobbieThe1st | I dunno | 10:10 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm | 10:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | try "-v playbin2" in the above command | 10:13 |
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| bernie | RobbieThe1st: here's the list of gstreamer packages I have: http://fpaste.org/aTTM/ | 10:13 |
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| bernie | RobbieThe1st: notice anything odd? | 10:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | Just try "-v playbin2" in the above command | 10:14 |
| bernie | RobbieThe1st: that worked! | 10:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | That's what google turned up | 10:14 |
| bernie | RobbieThe1st: now I need to figure out why it's not working in the media player application and when the phone rings. | 10:15 |
| bernie | when the phone *should* ring | 10:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | I think the phone application takes control of the audio, IIRC | 10:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer would probably know more | 10:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the phone app will not exactly take control of audio. Audio is controlled by alsaped AIUI | 10:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if somebody messed up one of the related files (e.g. that mediaplayer control via wired headset button might do that) then you might get into weird trouble with audio | 10:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | generally speaking you'll get proper audio only if the right policy is "enforced" by PA/ALSA Policy Enforcer Entity/Daemon/whatever | 10:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess the related file is /etc/pulse/xpolicy.conf, maybe others as well | 10:24 |
| ds3 | for the firmware supplied on the N900, is master mode (for WiFi) supported? | 10:25 |
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| flux | afaik not. otherwise I would imagine joikuspot etc would use it.. | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably not. Othrwise you wouldn't need custom kernel for things like maemohotspot | 10:26 |
| flux | docscrutinizer, I think that's just because the standard kernel doesn't have nat etc | 10:26 |
| ds3 | is maemo hotspot suppose to support master mode? | 10:26 |
| mece | ds3, I think there is something in devel that makes it possible iirc. | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: good point | 10:26 |
| mece | ds3, yeah I think it's that one. Don't know if it works though. | 10:26 |
| mece | ds3, check tmo | 10:26 |
| ds3 | I though it did but my experiments with that software suggests otherwise | 10:27 |
| ds3 | thought | 10:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I seem to have heard once that either hotspot or yoghurtsport is emulating an AP by exploiting Ad-Hoc modus | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | always was a bit obscure to me. Anyway I'll shut up as I never used any such package | 10:29 |
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| alterego | Do we have iptables enough to setup nat forwarding on the N900 | 10:30 |
| ds3 | guess it is easier to hackup a cheap AP to run on batteries | 10:30 |
| ds3 | I don't think the default kernel has any NAT | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | it hasn't | 10:30 |
| alterego | Lame | 10:31 |
| ds3 | heh, so my hacked up slirp isn't a complete waste | 10:31 |
| flux | it's not a big deal to switch the kernel, though | 10:31 |
| alterego | Can be compiled as a module at least I believe | 10:31 |
| alterego | flux: speak for yourself :P | 10:31 |
| flux | alterego, one can do it from the package manager.. | 10:31 |
| alterego | Until I get a second N900 my current one has to have a uboot kernel. | 10:32 |
| ds3 | not sure what NAT would be good for w/o a working master mode though | 10:32 |
| ds3 | for BT, slirp seems to do a great job | 10:33 |
| alterego | Erm, routing through an adhoc connection? | 10:33 |
| flux | well, you could still use it with usb networking I suppose | 10:33 |
| bernie | RobbieThe1st: thanks for your help. eventually, I got everything to work by doing "start pulseaudio" from the terminal as root. | 10:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ah, good. | 10:33 |
| ds3 | alterego: there are many drawbacks to that | 10:33 |
| alterego | USB you can just use it as a modem | 10:33 |
| bernie | RobbieThe1st: now I need to determine why it's no longer starting at boot | 10:33 |
| alterego | ds3: besides single client only, I can't see any. | 10:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'd guess that the starting point there would be to enable logging | 10:34 |
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| ds3 | alterego: power, lack of support on some devices... | 10:34 |
| Termana | good moring | 10:34 |
| alterego | power? | 10:34 |
| Termana | morning* | 10:34 |
| ds3 | no power save mode with ad hoc | 10:34 |
| alterego | Hey Termana | 10:34 |
| alterego | Oh, rigt | 10:35 |
| Pradeep | alterego, hi i did what you me and it worked just fine but the issue was that i could update my firmware using it | 10:35 |
| alterego | Fair points | 10:35 |
| alterego | Pradeep: oh dear :( | 10:35 |
| ds3 | wish more things had bluetooth then it would be simple | 10:35 |
| alterego | Yeah appman woudln't work through usb silly me | 10:35 |
| Pradeep | yes it i did not but i could surf the internet | 10:36 |
| alterego | I'd flash it, then use the setup I told you about to download packages. | 10:36 |
| Pradeep | so any clues | 10:37 |
| alterego | otoh, it might be possible to trick the device into using your connection via usb instead of 3g | 10:37 |
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| alterego | Maybe by removing the ppp item from routes | 10:38 |
| alterego | Well, gprs0 apparently | 10:39 |
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| alterego | Pradeep: Make sure the N900 is connected via cellular data, then connect with usb networking | 10:39 |
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| Pradeep | u mean gprs | 10:40 |
| Pradeep | cos did that but still did not work | 10:40 |
| crashanddie | Pradeep, you probably mean to talk with real words | 10:41 |
| alterego | Then as root, on the N900 run: route del -net 0.0.0.0 gw 0.0.0.0 gprs0 | 10:41 |
| alterego | Then run: route -n and make sure your LAN settings are still present. | 10:41 |
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| alterego | And appman should work | 10:42 |
| Pradeep | would that affect my gprs setting when am not using my usb network | 10:42 |
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| alterego | Pradeep: nope | 10:42 |
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| alterego | Just disconnect and reconnect when you're done and it should work fine | 10:43 |
| Pradeep | so when am on gprs i will have to re-route it again | 10:43 |
| Pradeep | ok | 10:43 |
| alterego | Yeah, keeping the cell data connection active is to trick the N900s network manager into continuing to believe its' got a normal connection to the internet. So any apps (like app man) that use bearer services apis will hopefully continue to work. | 10:44 |
| Pradeep | this sounds lame how do you refer to someone on xchat using the phone cos on PC i press tab button twice | 10:44 |
| alterego | I use irssi | 10:45 |
| Pradeep | ok | 10:45 |
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| alterego | I should probably get out of bed and shower. | 10:45 |
| alterego | It's quarter to 9 .. | 10:45 |
| Pradeep | same here | 10:46 |
| alterego | bbl | 10:46 |
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| Pradeep | would try it and get back to you | 10:46 |
| Pradeep | thanks | 10:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-20 08:55:23] <DocScrutinizer> Pradeep: | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-20 08:55:29] <DocScrutinizer> ~usb-networking | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | [ | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-20 08:57:31] <DocScrutinizer> even http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 10:54 |
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| Termana | Is the search box broken on tmo? | 10:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I toldya do not touch tmo | 10:57 |
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| Termana | :p | 10:57 |
| Termana | I'm just wondering - what reasonable explanation is there for SO MANY duplicate threads besides the search box being broken? :p | 10:58 |
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| sivang | morning everybody | 11:24 |
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| tealbird | Heh ... the n900 happily sees all of /dev/mmcblk0p1-3 after having rewritten the partition table using, and windows happily reads /dev/mmcblk0p1 as fat32, but ubuntu sees only an unpartitioned disk | 11:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tealbird: oops | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | tealbird: check for that's not the uSD you see in ubuntu | 11:31 |
| tealbird | I took out the uSD | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird | 11:32 |
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| tealbird | As I said, windows sees the MyDocs partition just fine, so I'm guessing there's something "unexpected" but I dunno how to fix that exactly. I don't know very much about how the usb mass storage gadget driver does whatever it does. | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | check syslog, for usb-host msgs and udev et al. There should be sdX1, sdX2... | 11:33 |
| chem|st | re | 11:33 |
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| khertan | Morning | 11:33 |
| chem|st | khertan: morning! | 11:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tealbird: for reference (syslog of PC) http://paste.debian.net/102814/ | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | tealbird: maybe your primary FAT got destroyed, and ubuntu doesn't know how to use the secondary | 11:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might want to run a fsck.vfat on it | 11:44 |
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| tealbird | I did that several times outside of maemo, but sure I could try it again | 11:46 |
| tealbird | It doesn't see any partition at all | 11:46 |
| tealbird | Maybe later I'll try restoring the partition table again, but I don't want to do it until I have proper backups | 11:47 |
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| tealbird | The irony being I was prepping to set up nightly backups when this happened | 11:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:50 |
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| crashanddie | morning ja | 12:19 |
| crashanddie | ffa | 12:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi Jaffa | 12:25 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG, how's the media player going? | 12:36 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm not sure which part I told you about last, but nicolai got the renderer working | 12:36 |
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| crashanddie | renderer? | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | it can play/stop songs, and skip/go back, it also updates metadata (but not albumart) | 12:37 |
| MohammadAG | mafw renderer | 12:37 |
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| crashanddie | nice | 12:37 |
| crashanddie | native interface? Dbus? GObject? | 12:37 |
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| MohammadAG | Qt wrapper he made | 12:38 |
| crashanddie | which calls? | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG | GObject code | 12:38 |
| crashanddie | cool | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG | what's your email? | 12:38 |
| crashanddie | firstname.lastname@gmail.com | 12:38 |
| crashanddie | you have it in your gmail | 12:39 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL @ your IRC realname | 12:39 |
| crashanddie | heh :) | 12:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm temped... mailto:firstname.lastname@gmail.com | 12:42 |
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| crashanddie | crap firstname.lastname is not available, but the following usernames are | 12:43 |
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| DangerMaus | seemed longer | 12:48 |
| DangerMaus | oops | 12:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: which gmail? | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | /x, /h, ?ui=2 ? | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | mfe? imap? pop? | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | browser | 12:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, /x, /h, or ?ui=2 ? | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | html | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ ? | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | https://mail.google.com/mail/x/ ? | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2 ? | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | oh nice, it got sent without a confirmation | 12:57 |
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| MohammadAG | x and ui=2 load the same page for me | 12:58 |
| MohammadAG | /h is fine | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | /x is mobile, pass | 13:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | there used to be a ui=1, but google killed it :( | 13:03 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, check your email | 13:07 |
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| ptl | there are many people from europe here, right? sorry if that sounds offtopic, but is there a specific channel for switzerland and its whereabouts? | 13:13 |
| lcuk | ptl? I am sure therers many specific switzerland channels on irc, but what need is there specifically for maemo? | 13:14 |
| * timeless_mbp suspects most of the awake people here atm are in europe... | 13:14 | |
| timeless_mbp | switzerland of course is composed of 4 language groups | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | which makes asking about it vaguely amusing | 13:15 |
| ptl | lcuk: no need, I was just trying to see if there's one on freenode :) | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | (that doesn't count English...) | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 13:15 |
| lcuk | ptl, so you meant a general swizz people channel, not just about maemo? | 13:15 |
| ptl | yes. Ok, offtopic | 13:15 |
| lcuk | ptl ahhh heh | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23wilug&net=freenode perhaps | 13:16 |
| lcuk | freenode irc is mostly for open source projects | 13:16 |
| ptl | I know. | 13:16 |
| ptl | There are a few channels like #australia though. I just wondered if there was one for switzerland. | 13:17 |
| * lcuk giggles | 13:18 | |
| lcuk | theres a #swissknife-router channel | 13:18 |
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| lcuk | and #swisslinux chan | 13:18 |
| lcuk | use the channel search from your irc client | 13:18 |
| ptl | I did... found nothing of interest, and found swisslinux. But thanks :) | 13:20 |
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| chem|st | timeless_mbp: 4 languages? | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | yea, french, german, italian, and one other | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | it's part of the trivia you pick up when you travel there | 13:37 |
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| chem|st | timeless_mbp: the one other I'm curious | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | Romansh | 13:38 |
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| chem|st | ah... | 13:39 |
| chem|st | but that does not really count.. | 13:39 |
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| Venemo | hey | 13:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | swizzerdutsch | 13:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd say it's as much german as netherlands is | 13:56 |
| sig^ | dutch is actually very intelligible if you know German | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, this only proves a 50 years aren't enough to learn German then | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 14:03 |
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| chem|st | moaning RST38h | 14:16 |
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| RST38h | moaning indeed | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WAAAH, simple brightness applet doesn't anything on actual brightness control of screen, just a frontend to hildon/osso/whatever brighness management :-S I hoped I could patch it to better deal with ALS etc, but no... | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | or am I wrong? | 14:19 |
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| RST38h | it is a frontend afaik | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 36952 2010-05-11 14:56 /usr/lib/mce/modules/libfilter-brightness-als.so | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30772 2010-05-11 14:56 /usr/lib/mce/modules/libfilter-brightness-simple.so | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | any source for that ? | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | abomination | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | let me guess... err, maybe... just... NO WAY, it's fsckng mce >:-( | 14:24 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'll ask again, mce rewrite? :) | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH been there months ago - just forgot :-/ http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=568585#post568585 | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ that's also holding the answer for you, starting with ""Its interface with everything else..." | 14:30 |
| RST38h | Doc: Better times, when Matan was still sane! | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so? we can rewrite it | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure we *can* | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just I feel like punched in my face to learn I need to rewrite mce just to deal with a fubar function of converting ALS to a proper LCD BL level | 14:33 |
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| MohammadAG | you know, rewriting it would be a contribution to MeeGo :P | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure I could comment out libfilter-brightness-simple.so and libfilter-brightness-als.so form mce/mce.ini, but then probably no automatic screenlock, no manual screenlock, no wakeup on inbound calls, etc etc etc | 14:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: oh, so I shouldn't talk about it. I don't feel like poaching in their woods. I bet they have some better idea, and as usual don't like to share it or at least ponder about mine | 14:36 |
| chem|st | public transports just quit for today... | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah :-/ | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what if we rewrite it and make it work on M5 only, for the fun of it :P | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice idea | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | then add a nice ifdef Meego, return 1; | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | or I could simply change to SHR completely, and implement it as a FSO plugin | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder how lux is detected | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | by ALS? what was the question? | 14:40 |
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| MohammadAG | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux | 14:41 |
| trx | "ifdef Meego, return 1;" hahahaah | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | L3/4 has a very icky instruction on how to calibrate ALS, by writing some factors to CAL | 14:41 |
| Venemo | ehh... | 14:42 |
| * MohammadAG stabs the shit out of cal | 14:42 | |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, nice | 14:42 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, http://gizmodo.com/5715128/nokia-building-windows-phone-7-cellphones-if-not-they-should | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I know this /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux, but what was your question? | 14:44 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I was asking about it | 14:45 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: unrelated question, how the hell is it possible to deal with C code that casts back and forth between int and pointer types? | 14:45 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I've just realized that such code will never work on x86_64 | 14:45 |
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| Choom | Venemo: intptr_t / uintptr_t | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so that's the reason it is deprecated to cast if you don't know *exactly* what and why | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what are you trying to do with als? | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, why not? | 14:46 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: tell this to the developers of libmatchbox2 | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: it will work if it's written properly | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I want a better backlight regulation, the current one is a major pita | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | WFM | 14:47 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: because what if the OS allocates you a piece of memory in an address that won't fit in a 32-bit integer? | 14:47 |
| Venemo | Choom: yeah, that should be it | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: nope | 14:47 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, really? is sizeof(int*) always == sizeof(int) | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: variables are allocated on stack by program itself | 14:47 |
| Venemo | no lcuk | 14:47 |
| Choom | or to registers | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | Choom: well, but you assume that it's stack | 14:48 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: what if someone calls calloc? that isn't guaranteed to fit in the 32-bit boundary? | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: lags like 20s, and has at best 4 levels and switching between them rather at random | 14:48 |
| Venemo | lcuk: int is 32-bit, whereas int* is 64-bit on x86_64 | 14:48 |
| Choom | I can make no assumptions about stuff that standards don't define | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | Choom: standards define that variables are allocated on stack | 14:49 |
| lcuk | Venemo, the construct is common however (I have done it myself) | 14:49 |
| Choom | although I do make some, such as that the target system has a flat memory model | 14:49 |
| lcuk | with us using 32bit for so long lapses occur | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: well, are we talking about 64 bit program on 64 bit platform | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: or 32bit on 64 bit platform | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, #if __LP64__ | 14:50 |
| Choom | jacekowski: some architectures may not even have stacks | 14:50 |
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| Choom | just like others don't have heaps | 14:50 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, ewww | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | Choom: well, that's what C89 and C99 says | 14:51 |
| lcuk | better to just actually define variables and memory correctly | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I'm not the one casting from ints to pointers :P | 14:51 |
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| Choom | though I do make certain assumptions | 14:51 |
| Termana | Anyone here owned an OQO? :p | 14:51 |
| Termana | Or owns | 14:51 |
| Choom | and don't really care about implementations where those don't work | 14:51 |
| Choom | all my code assumes that the target implementation has a flat memory model | 14:51 |
| Choom | all my code assums that the target implementation has a stack which is thread safe | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | WHY would you want to cast a pointer to an int first instance?? | 14:52 |
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| Venemo | I don't want to | 14:52 |
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| jacekowski | Choom: hmm, hmm, ARM | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, because he doesn't know you can do pointer++ | 14:52 |
| * Venemo sighs | 14:52 | |
| toggles | that works? | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | toggles, of course | 14:52 |
| Venemo | I'd like to compile libmatchbox2 | 14:53 |
| Choom | jacekowski: ARM validates both | 14:53 |
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| Choom | the memory model is flat even if it can have holes | 14:53 |
| jacekowski | Choom: well, i can't think of any other architecture that's popular and does both | 14:53 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I'd like to compile libmatchbox2, which is full of this. I'm not sure what are their reasons. | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no reasons, just gasheads | 14:53 |
| jacekowski | x86 is only emulating flat memory model | 14:53 |
| Choom | jacekowski: ia32, amd64 | 14:53 |
| crashanddie | toggles, char * foo = "this is a string"; foo += 8; printf("5s\n", foo); // prints "a string" | 14:53 |
| crashanddie | s/5s/%s/ | 14:54 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: toggles, char * foo = "this is a string"; foo += 8; printf("%s\n", foo); // prints "a string" | 14:54 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: yes, I know pointer arithmetics | 14:54 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, I'm sure you do, I was just going for the funnies | 14:54 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: see line 34 in http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/libmatchbox2/blobs/master/matchbox/client-types/mb-wm-client-override.c | 14:55 |
| lcuk | Venemo, thats inverse casting and the function expects a pointer so it gets one | 14:56 |
| jacekowski | pass by reference | 14:56 |
| Venemo | that's just one place of many. | 14:56 |
| Choom | anyway, regarding the question why anyone would cast a pointer to an int | 14:56 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, thats not by ref though | 14:56 |
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| lcuk | thats casted to void* | 14:56 |
| jacekowski | well, pointer | 14:56 |
| lcuk | Choom, because the api might only have int parameters | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | let me just take a look at that code | 14:57 |
| lcuk | and "it works" on many platforms for the last 15 years | 14:57 |
| Choom | personally I do it quite often in pthread_create(), pthread_cleanup_push(), and pthread_exit() when the only thing I want to pass is an integer (such as a file descriptor) | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: btw. have you ever written off a car? | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: dvla is chasing me for road tax + fines for car i don't have anymore | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, what does flags contain? | 14:58 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: I've no idea | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | then perhaps you should have filled in your SORN declaration | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: i can't SORN it if i don't own it | 14:58 |
| lcuk | no, I haven't though, I tend to trade in | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, you probably just want to pass (void *) &flags | 14:58 |
| lcuk | you should have when you had it | 14:58 |
| lcuk | Choom, c&d is right | 14:59 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: I don't think so. | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: when i had it it still had valid tax | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, why not? | 14:59 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, so? it went off the road, you should have declared it, pay up. | 14:59 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 14:59 | |
| Venemo | crashanddie: remember that this code is working on your N900. if they had made such a big mistake, it wouldn't work | 14:59 |
| Venemo | I rather think this is some "clever" hack... | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: sorn is only valid for a year | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, oh, right, sorry, thought this was your code | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: so i would have to keep declaring it sorn every 12 months | 15:00 |
| Choom | lcuk: it doesn't really work on implementations where sizeof(int) < sizeof(void *) | 15:00 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: as I said, I just want to compile this shit on x86_64. | 15:00 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, well you know more than me now so you can follow those rules better, i am not here to discuss cars anyway | 15:00 |
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| Choom | you need to rely on intptr_t on thise systems, if available | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, just compile and run as 32bit mate | 15:00 |
| Choom | and that's not as uncommon as you might think | 15:00 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: hehe... :D | 15:01 |
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| Choom | by default, sizeof(int) is 4 on gcc whereas sizeof(void *) is 8 on amd64 | 15:01 |
| lcuk | Choom, if you pass a variable using address of as a pointer, then the size of the data is not important | 15:01 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: how can I tell make to compile for 32bit? | 15:01 |
| chem|st | lardman: just dug out my car to do it in about 45mins again! | 15:01 |
| lcuk | the only fsck up is if you try to pass a pointer into a variable that is only an int | 15:01 |
| lardman | harsh, no chance I can even get my car out | 15:01 |
| lcuk | as already reiterated many times | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, -m32 | 15:01 |
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| Choom | lcuk: yes but that defeats the point of passing an integer as a pointer, which provides you with thread safety, among other things | 15:02 |
| Venemo | crashanddie, thx | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, though that means you'll need all the 32 bit libraries and headers | 15:02 |
| Venemo | Choom: seems that it doesn't recognize intptr_t | 15:02 |
| lcuk | Choom, ? huh | 15:02 |
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| Choom | i.e.: you can change the original value without worrying about the function that you just passed it to | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, it's probably easier to build a quick dchroot in 32bit, takes about 100MB to get a full debian etch 32-bit | 15:02 |
| RST38h | Doc: Either Eldar is talking out of his glory hole (more likely) or Elop is mad (less likely) | 15:03 |
| Robot101 | Choom: just because somebody else is changing the value from a different thread doesn't make it "safe" | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, I use dchroot daily to build 64-bit and 32-bit versions of my server, plus I get the added bonus that I use "older" libs so it's compatible with nearly every version of linux running at our customer's site | 15:03 |
| lcuk | Venemo, make a patch fixing the 32/64bitness | 15:03 |
| Choom | it's one way to avoid unnecessary memory alocations when the function expects a void * | 15:03 |
| lcuk | i had to do it when kot was building liqbase onto his 64b system | 15:03 |
| Choom | Robot101: doesn't even need to be from a different thread, the value can be changed locally | 15:03 |
| Venemo | crashanddie, nice :) | 15:03 |
| Choom | see pthread_cleanup_push() / pthread_cleanup_pop() as an example | 15:04 |
| Venemo | well I think I'll just change int to long for this delegate type, that shoul solve it | 15:04 |
| Venemo | although I dunno how it'll compile on x86 then... | 15:04 |
| Venemo | probably it won't | 15:04 |
| Choom | Venemo: use intptr_t / uintptr_t if available from <stddef.h> | 15:04 |
| Venemo | Choom: ok, will try | 15:04 |
| Choom | or was it <stdint.h>? | 15:04 |
| Choom | can't recall :P | 15:04 |
| Choom | it's the latter | 15:05 |
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| Venemo | Choom: the problem is, that this shit is defined as typedef void (*MBWMClientStackMethod) (MBWindowManagerClient *client, int flags); | 15:06 |
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| Choom | it doesn't really matter what it's defined to | 15:06 |
| Choom | it's an integer | 15:06 |
| Choom | and you can safely store void * into it | 15:06 |
| Venemo | Choom: instances of this type get assigned from all over the code with functions that also accept an int, so I'll have to change those too | 15:06 |
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| Choom | can't you use the proprocessor to make magic happen? | 15:07 |
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| Venemo | Choom: hm, maybe... | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | lots of apps need patching to handle differences in 32/64bit building. hows and complexity change depending on the codebase. | 15:09 |
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| Venemo | yeah... | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Mexican surveillance drone crashed in the US =) | 15:10 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, chili beans scattered over a wide area? | 15:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: DHS is not disclosing information about the weaponry =) | 15:12 |
| Venemo | Choom: no, I can't use the preprocessor for this | 15:12 |
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| jacekowski | how do you make screenshot on n90 | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | n900 | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | ctrl+sym+p | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | ? | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | shift-ctl-p | 15:16 |
| Venemo | ctrl+shift+p | 15:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's been to me, about eldar and elop? | 15:17 |
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| RST38h | Doc: yes | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no highlight anymore on doc: | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | also nfc what you're talking about | 15:21 |
| * RST38h has not got any highlights at all | 15:22 | |
| RST38h | Doc: About this: <MohammadAG> RST38h, http://gizmodo.com/5715128/nokia-building-windows-phone-7 | 15:22 |
| RST38h | I can now see it has come from MohammadAG though, ,so sorry :) | 15:22 |
| Venemo | nah, after changing the stuff to intptr_t, it is now able to compile :) | 15:22 |
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| Venemo | thx Choom for the idea | 15:26 |
| Choom | np | 15:26 |
| Venemo | bah! | 15:27 |
| Venemo | I make install'd this shit | 15:27 |
| Venemo | and it installed itself to /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/lib64 | 15:28 |
| Choom | it's usually a symbolic link | 15:29 |
| Choom | and if it uses autoconf, a --prefix=/usr should solve it | 15:29 |
| Venemo | but it is not in /usr/lib64 at all. | 15:29 |
| Venemo | which means, pkg-config can't find it | 15:29 |
| Choom | ./configure --prefix=/usr | 15:29 |
| Choom | if it's an autotools setup | 15:30 |
| Venemo | it is | 15:30 |
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| Choom | autoconf defaults to /usr/local | 15:30 |
| Venemo | hm | 15:31 |
| Venemo | for some reason, ./configure screws up the makefile | 15:31 |
| Venemo | I have to manually edit a line and put a tab instead of spaces... | 15:31 |
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| Venemo | okay | 15:32 |
| Venemo | now it went to /usr/lib, still not /usr/lib64 | 15:32 |
| Choom | on my system it's a symbolic link | 15:32 |
| Choom | /usr/lib links to /usr/lib64 | 15:33 |
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| Choom | which should be the case everywhere | 15:33 |
| Venemo | well in here it seems that /usr/lib64 contains the 64-bit libs and /usr/lib the 32-bit ones | 15:33 |
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| Venemo | is there a command to clean up all the garbage generated by autotools? | 16:09 |
| lcuk | rm | 16:09 |
| Choom | LOL | 16:09 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: :) | 16:14 |
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| roadi | any 'destructive' ideas why my bluetooth headset has lots of stuttering when i make calls. the same headset works fin on a nokia 6300. | 16:33 |
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| crashanddie | roadi, the n900 sucks at bluetooth | 17:01 |
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| khertan | crashanddie, it doesn't suck just give a low priority to it | 17:08 |
| roadi | that sounds hard. | 17:08 |
| roadi | connecting with other devices works very well. | 17:08 |
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| GAN900 | Etherpad apparently hates GPRS this morning. | 17:29 |
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| xenno | guys how do you capture the cell-id sent from the BTS?? | 17:35 |
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| xenno | I need a way to see that info :/ | 17:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | xenno: umm | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | xenno: netmon | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/netmon/ | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | the amount of data available is very limited | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Displays Signal Strength in dBm, Cell ID, LAC, RNC, Network Code, etc. | 17:52 |
| xenno | Thank u so much :D | 17:53 |
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| xenno | this will probably not capture the cell-id from the other mobile device :/ | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | What other mobile device | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It certainly will not capture any info about other mobiles, no. | 17:59 |
| xenno | I mean for incoming calls | 17:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | what? | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | what do you mean by cell-id | 18:00 |
| xenno | the cell-id is used for location | 18:00 |
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| xenno | I want to know where the person is calling from :/ | 18:01 |
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| rm_work | yeah that would be... not necessary to send, and a privacy violation :P | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | That will never be available even over the air | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | If you snooped it. | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | The cell network has no reason to send it to you, and as I understand it, doesn't/. | 18:03 |
| xenno | yeah it's probably stored in the visitor location register :/ | 18:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyway - this is all irrelevant for the n900 | 18:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | you have only access to the very small amount of info the modem hands out. | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | You get no 'raw' access to the signal at all, and the modem is closed-source | 18:05 |
| * MohammadAG wonders what could happen if it was OSS | 18:05 | |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Various unfortunate things. | 18:05 |
| Choom | it would never be approved by the FCC/CE/etc. | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: The GSM netwok was not really designed to be secure from hackers. | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - sure - the call setup and billing parts and authorisation parts are encrypted | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | but the signalling isn't. | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - you have the fun possibility of users deciding to do 'direct' free calls between phones, for data. | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | This can wipe out emergency calls in progress on that channel over a radius of 15km | 18:07 |
| xenno | http://www.rdc.cz/en/publications/publications/1569131953(2).pdf | 18:08 |
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| xenno | shows that it's actually possible to get the cell-id | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | xenno: No. | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | xenno: It shows it's possible to get teh cell-id if you are plugged into the wired-side of the mobile network. | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Not the wireless side | 18:10 |
| xenno | I can't find where it says that this only works on wired connections?? | 18:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | page 2, 3, para 2 | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ... signalling board | 18:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - the n900 is useless - due to not having raw interfaces, you'd need something like http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/ or http://openbts.sourceforge.net/ | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | neither of which will do what you want either | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | without connecting to the wired side | 18:20 |
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| xenno | Well it was worth a shot :/ | 18:22 |
| xenno | But I did learn very much | 18:22 |
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| xenno | Now I actually know how a gsm network interface looks like XD | 18:23 |
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| xenno | it actually all started because someone was calling with a hidden number :/ | 18:25 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, not my topic | 18:27 |
| Venemo | ok lcuk | 18:27 |
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| peetah | wa | 18:53 |
| peetah | oops, sorry, I thought I was in vim ... | 18:53 |
| Choom | don't they say that irc is just a multiplayer notepad? | 18:54 |
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| khertan | any volunters to package correctly git on fremantle for n900 ? | 18:59 |
| pupnik | i ended up hand-archiving .debs :/ | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, CLIP/CLIR is managed in last exchange, prior to last mile to end user (in GSM that would be OTA and last exchange the BTS of callee). I honestly wonder if there's not any secret code you could send to your BTS, to override the BTS suppressing the caller's ID | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe I'm also wrong with my notion about what is 'last exchange' in context of a cellular network | 19:24 |
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| khertan | Hi ... i got a problem with the autobuilder for diablo target : | 19:28 |
| khertan | dpkg-buildpackage: maemo-optify-deb not found, not optifying. | 19:28 |
| khertan | parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at file debian/changelog line 5 | 19:28 |
| khertan | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is | 19:28 |
| khertan | funny is that it s work for fremantle | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh no sorry. Now I recall. It seems all interchange standards define a true caller ID plus an effective caller ID comparable to display name of mails or SIP. While the true caller ID isn't usually forwarded to terminating user equipment (except for authorities like police), the display name always is, but can be any arbitrary crap like "*unknown*" or even ascii or "911" | 19:29 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900, still haven't received the thingy | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | GAN900, ONLY 4 BLOODY DAYS TO GO :( | 19:38 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: what are you waiting for? | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | kindle, gift for the gf | 19:43 |
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| lardman | ah, so Amazon are having troubles over there too | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | no, GAN sent it for me | 19:44 |
| lardman | oh right | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | cuz Amazon only sent kindles worldwide starting january | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Many people are really anoying their local small bookstores by going in and asking for kindles. | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | they kept the stock for US-americans | 19:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | (the few remaining) | 19:44 |
| lardman | oh, I've seen them for sale here for ages, are they not shipping till Jan then? | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil, GAN works at a bookstore, he keeps getting asked about the Kindle :P | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | lardman, UK yes | 19:45 |
| lardman | ok | 19:45 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, but UK doesn't ship the kindle to Europea | 19:45 |
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| lardman | nor does it ship people to anywhere via Heathrow it appears ;) | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | so: amazon.co.uk sends Kindle to UK only; amazon.com takes orders worldwide but shows "ships early jan" for worldwide orders; amazon.com takes orders for US and shows "shipped within 24h" for US IP addresses | 19:46 |
| crashanddie | and amazon.fr redirects to amazon.com | 19:46 |
| lardman | I like the idea of the Kindle, but can't bring myself to pay full whack for books when I can buy them 2nd hand | 19:46 |
| crashanddie | (for the kindle) | 19:46 |
| crashanddie | lardman, most classics are free on Kindle | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a kindle | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | A gift from someone. | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I use it less than I'd expected for books | 19:47 |
| lardman | re amazon.com shipping world-wide, that's just for the Kindle is it? | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I use the n900 more | 19:47 |
| crashanddie | lardman, yeah | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | at least for fgiction | 19:47 |
| lardman | drat! | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | simply as with the n900 I don't have to worry about ambient lighting - and getting it right to read | 19:47 |
| lardman | amazon.com is rather cheap compared to amazon.co.uk | 19:47 |
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| crashanddie | amazon.com would be committing economic suicide if they stopped shipping worldwide this time of year | 19:47 |
| crashanddie | lardman, import tax can be hefty though, depending on the item | 19:47 |
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| lardman | I don't think it will let me buy stuff actually | 19:48 |
| lardman | I get re-directed iirc | 19:48 |
| crashanddie | nope | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I have another objection to the kindle - why would I want another device that can do only one thing | 19:48 |
| crashanddie | you can buy no problem | 19:48 |
| lardman | but can't ship to outside the USA? | 19:48 |
| crashanddie | lardman, I used to buy from .com from Oz and UK no problem | 19:48 |
| lardman | oh right | 19:48 |
| crashanddie | depends on the seller | 19:48 |
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| crashanddie | sometimes the seller/item only allows for US-sales, but Amazon's private sales are usually pretty open about that | 19:49 |
| lardman | kindle would be good when going on holiday, but not sure how well it would withstand the sand, sun and sunscreen treatement | 19:49 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: I'll have to rekindle my US account then | 19:49 |
| crashanddie | sun shouldn't be a problem | 19:49 |
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| crashanddie | sunscreen and sand on the other hand... | 19:49 |
| crashanddie | not a good mix | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | and salty water | 19:50 |
| lardman | next step, waterproof kindle for beach use :) | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | well, there's a waterproof bag for it | 19:50 |
| lardman | :D | 19:50 |
| lardman | underwater reading | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | haha | 19:50 |
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| crashanddie | I wonder if whispernet works underwater... you could wikipedia the fish you see in real time | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | basically, I bought the kindle for my gf because she spends about $100 on books every month | 19:51 |
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| crashanddie | And she has a bag filled with books with her constantly | 19:52 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: not in salty water, hf is not happy | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | HF? | 19:52 |
| lardman | high frequency | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | holy-friend? | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | oh | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 19:52 |
| lardman | $100! | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | if GAN comes back, tell him I'm commuting home | 19:52 |
| lardman | that's impressive, tell her to go to the 2nd hand markets | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | apple ##conspiracy | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | she can't | 19:53 |
| lardman | why not? | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | lardman, she's doing a masters in English Lit, not many English books in 2nd hand shops in the area | 19:53 |
| lardman | ah, that could be a problem | 19:53 |
| lardman | well we could establish parcels to Europe ;0] | 19:54 |
| lardman | hmm, not sure what that smiley means, typo | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | And her memoire is about the relation between Biological Decoding and Heterologies... not the kind of stuff you find in 2nd hand bookstores anyway | 19:54 |
| lardman | amazon marketplace? | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | so we come back to Amazon, so Kindle :) | 19:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: Is that where you go to buy half-busty ladies? | 19:55 |
| crashanddie | told you, my logic is foolproof | 19:55 |
| lardman | yeah but market place is ~ £2.50 shipping + £0.01 for the book, vs £6.99+ brand new | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - not all books are available on kindle alas. | 19:55 |
| crashanddie | lardman, again, most classics are free on Kindle | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 19:55 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, so, now instead of a couple of books she can throw in a bag and not worry about | 19:55 |
| lardman | crashanddie: ok, so we've come full circle :) | 19:56 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: only half-busty?! | 19:56 |
| lcuk | she has to keep a couple of books (cos not everything is digital) as well as electronic thing | 19:56 |
| lardman | + charger | 19:56 |
| lardman | ;) | 19:56 |
| crashanddie | lardman, 1month battery, no need for charger ;) | 19:56 |
| lardman | though they last a long while don't they? | 19:56 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, half busty? would that be horizontal or vertical halving? | 19:56 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, well, instead of a good dozen books in her bag, she can take a couple books plus a very small book (I got her the leather casing for the kindle) | 19:56 |
| lcuk | where does need to carry a dozen books to all the time? | 19:57 |
| lardman | for text books it might be useful | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you'd hope you can scan in any paperbook to pdf and use that in a ebook-reader | 19:57 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, so it's really not bigger than a paperback, and a lot thinner + added advantage of PDF support | 19:57 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, if you have to do that mannually yourself and open eery page | 19:58 |
| lcuk | you are kinda dfeating purpose | 19:58 |
| lardman | break the binding and use page feeder | 19:58 |
| lardman | but then your book is dead | 19:58 |
| crashanddie | Anyway, if she doesn't use the Kindle, I'll nick it. | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, 400p = 200 scans = 50min | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | worth it in my book, for my books | 19:58 |
| lardman | I'd pay someone a fiver so I didnt' have to do that | 19:59 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, 15 seconds per scan? That's optimistic | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | really? | 19:59 |
| crashanddie | with my scanner it is :D | 19:59 |
| lardman | yeah last book I scanned took probably 20s/page | 19:59 |
| crashanddie | more like 45s with my scanner :D | 19:59 |
| lcuk | i got it to 18.5s/page | 19:59 |
| lardman | exponential slow down towards the end of the book | 19:59 |
| luke-jr | … | 19:59 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | But you can watch TV at the same time as scaning | 20:00 |
| luke-jr | why on earth would you scan a book? | 20:00 |
| crashanddie | tell GAN i'll be back online in a bit if he comes back | 20:00 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 20:00 |
| lardman | crashanddie: yep I'll tell him, enjoy the trip home | 20:00 |
| lcuk | same reason I print out irc | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 20:00 |
| lardman | luke-jr: because the British Library will only lend it to you once and you've not finished using it? | 20:00 |
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| luke-jr | lardman: wtf? | 20:01 |
| lardman | lcuk: do you have a tickertape feed going so you can read irc? ;) | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | because of g and higgs? | 20:01 |
| lcuk | lardman, :D | 20:01 |
| lardman | feed some punch cards back in, quick! | 20:01 |
| lcuk | i put initials and scribble on it occasionally too | 20:01 |
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| lardman | lol | 20:01 |
| lcuk | and tear it off to make a point about something | 20:01 |
| lardman | like "Wow" | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | :D | 20:02 |
| javispedro | that is so appropriate (PSNR and all that) :) | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | filtertips? | 20:03 |
| Jaffa | /me really should find some motivation to finsih yesterday's MWKN after all the work done by GAN900 | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | H*E*L*L!!!! | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke modest | 20:06 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at modest ... B☢☢M! | 20:06 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | would you believe there's not even an *option* in this shitty mailreader to never show html mails rendered? | 20:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably will even load embedded flash videos | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-( | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which dwarf has coded modest? | 20:11 |
| lardman | sleepy | 20:12 |
| lardman | or perhaps grumpy | 20:12 |
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| mikki-kun | can anybody lend me a hand why my n900 is silent? i can't switch volume anymore | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 20:13 |
| lardman | check the Profile | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | this seems to become increasingly contagious | 20:14 |
| mikki-kun | it is explicitly on loud | 20:14 |
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| mikki-kun | and i am having my sounds on loud | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hooray for 1.3 | 20:15 |
| mikki-kun | i mean the volume being at 100% | 20:15 |
| luke-jr | pfft 1.3 | 20:15 |
| lardman | worksforme | 20:15 |
| * luke-jr is already using 1.4 | 20:15 | |
| mikki-kun | yet it is silent as a dead man | 20:15 |
| lardman | in fact I've had no problems | 20:15 |
| mikki-kun | it just came up recently | 20:15 |
| mikki-kun | and it's so goddamn annoying | 20:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer throws 1.5 at luke-jr | 20:15 | |
| mikki-kun | i can't tell where the problem lies | 20:15 |
| lardman | I can understand that | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: try plug&unplug headphone | 20:16 |
| mikki-kun | i am rebooting the phone Ö.ö | 20:16 |
| mikki-kun | the 6th time in under 15 mins | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and ? "sound restored 17%. ETA 5:49"? | 20:17 |
| mikki-kun | and in music player "cannot play media, media format not supported" | 20:17 |
| mikki-kun | the story just goes this is an mp3 which it played before without any problems | 20:17 |
| lardman | for stuff that used to work too? | 20:18 |
| lardman | that's odd | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | search chanlog for similar wordings. Seems we got a "virus" somewhere in repo | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil has no sound, dunno who else | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | several posts here OWTTE | 20:18 |
| mikki-kun | it is annoying as i use the n900 as well as a phone >.< | 20:19 |
| javispedro | well, until someone with enough free time reproduces the problem... | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd ping council about the issue. Really seems to spread | 20:20 |
| lardman | test gst pipeline, test the mixer | 20:20 |
| mikki-kun | and whoever wrote sudo gainroot, get that damn autoscript generation off -.- | 20:20 |
| mikki-kun | i annoys me as i am still used to "sudo -i" | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | err WUT? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | autoscript generation? | 20:21 |
| mikki-kun | sudo -i "cannot execute /bin/sh as user" | 20:21 |
| mikki-kun | sudo gainroot works | 20:21 |
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| javispedro | mikki-kun: you can get sudo -s and sudo -i to work, just add your $SHELL to sudoers | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: that's messybox | 20:21 |
| mikki-kun | it generates /etc/sudoers itself?! | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: what's the problem with creating a proper entry to /etc/sudoers.d/* | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 20:22 |
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| mikki-kun | i thought only /etc/sudoers is for that | 20:23 |
| javispedro | if you add stuff to /etc/sudoers it won't be overwritten btw | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, only /etc/sudoers.d/* is for that | 20:24 |
| mikki-kun | javispedro: it will be overwritten to some degree | 20:24 |
| mikki-kun | even after reboots it remembers it | 20:24 |
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| javispedro | mikki-kun: put it outside of the ---- ----- blocks | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | fix that idiocy called upate-sudoers! | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | get recent version of sudo that supports include | 20:25 |
| * javispedro would say that the issue is the system abusing something that is clearly designed for interactive use (sudo) | 20:25 | |
| javispedro | and the fix would be policykit or yet another trendy *kit project | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that too | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably somebody heard suid id evil :-P | 20:26 |
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| ioan | do you guys hear a "thump" you your head when watching this: http://i.imgur.com/E09Ud.gif | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, maemo maintainers always excelled on creative usage of *nix standard tools and procedures | 20:28 |
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| ioan | *in your | 20:29 |
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| mikki-kun | what is the process for pulse named? | 20:29 |
| javispedro | "pulseaudio" | 20:29 |
| mikki-kun | it isn't running | 20:30 |
| javispedro | then it's probably the same failure lardman got | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | "use messybox, it's cute! what? no su anymore? so what, let's mess up sudo for it. Ok we also need a script let's call it gainroot... Now what is next to mess up?" | 20:30 |
| lardman | not me | 20:30 |
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| javispedro | lardman: did you fix it or I'm confusing things (again)? | 20:30 |
| lardman | I was just suggesting what to look at | 20:31 |
| lardman | I've not had the problem though | 20:31 |
| mikki-kun | i freaking hate pulse -.- | 20:31 |
| mikki-kun | why not alsa?! | 20:31 |
| javispedro | ah | 20:31 |
| javispedro | someone was having a problem with pulseaudio not starting | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | check that flac lib | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, check all audio codec libs | 20:31 |
| BCMM | javispedro: i had that problem... | 20:31 |
| BCMM | manually unoptifying libflac did indeed help | 20:32 |
| javispedro | heh | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG had it, a whole classroom full of people had it or still has it | 20:32 |
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| BCMM | i talked to the libflac package maintainer about it, btw | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's contagious | 20:32 |
| mikki-kun | BCMM: wanna guide me through the tutorial? | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ls -l /usr/lib/*FLAC* | 20:33 |
| BCMM | mikki-kun: can't remember exactly, but copy libflac8.so (or something like that) from opt to the main partition | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or sth like that | 20:33 |
| mikki-kun | from /opt/usr/lib/ to /usr/lib ? | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | it mustn't be a symlink | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:34 |
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| javispedro | /opt/maemo/usr/lib if it was automatically optified | 20:34 |
| javispedro | (and it probably was, considering what is failing) | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls -l /usr/lib/*flac* will tell | 20:34 |
| javispedro | my mind still doesn't understand how FLAC could cause pa to crash | 20:35 |
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| BCMM | i talked the the guy that maintains the package, and we came to the conclusion that it was due to having upgraded to an unofficial version of something pulse links against | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's a symlink then move the file over the symlink location | 20:35 |
| BCMM | the official version doesn't link to libflac, the unofficial one does | 20:35 |
| javispedro | ah | 20:35 |
| BCMM | and it happened due to upgrading with apt-get, and thus being allowed to use non-nokia versions of stuff | 20:35 |
| javispedro | libsndfile maybe | 20:35 |
| BCMM | javispedro: i think so, yes | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: pa starts, tries to load libs, fails, segfaults | 20:35 |
| BCMM | if somebody could remind me if the path to the pulseaudio binary so i can run ldd on it, i could find out again | 20:36 |
| BCMM | but i believe it was libsndfile | 20:36 |
| javispedro | /usr/bin/pulseaudio .. | 20:36 |
| javispedro | actually | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha for apt-get upgrade | 20:36 |
| javispedro | my desktop pulse seems to link with it too | 20:36 |
| javispedro | and libFLAC.so.8 =) | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-20 19:33:21] <DocScrutinizer> ls -l /usr/lib/*FLAC* | 20:37 |
| mikki-kun | seems it isn't even installed! | 20:37 |
| BCMM | yeah, pretty sure it was sndfile | 20:38 |
| BCMM | javispedro: ah, got confused because of it having no execute permission for user | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-20 19:31:44] <DocScrutinizer> hell, check all audio codec libs | 20:38 |
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| BCMM | javispedro: it links to sndfile, which links to flac | 20:38 |
| BCMM | javispedro: in the default install, sndfile and PA don't link to libflac, which is a good thing because libflac isn't installed | 20:39 |
| BCMM | (the libflac package guy checked ldd pulseaudio on his device) | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart maintainer for breaking dependencies | 20:40 |
| * infobot breaks out the Hoover and sucks up maintainer for breaking dependencies | 20:40 | |
| * javispedro goes lookup who is the author of the upgraded libsndfile | 20:40 | |
| BCMM | well, i asked the guy because i was going to file a bug, but now i haven't a clue who's fault it is | 20:40 |
| BCMM | apart from mine for upgrading with apt-get | 20:40 |
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| BCMM | and ofc the fault of whoever invented the weirdo partitioning scheme | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 20:41 |
| infobot | from memory, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 | 20:41 |
| javispedro | oh, aapo. | 20:41 |
| javispedro | :( | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is this a political party? | 20:42 |
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| javispedro | nope, a nickname | 20:42 |
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| javispedro | but I don't want to scold him, as he did a great job with the initial openttd porting | 20:42 |
| javispedro | hum | 20:43 |
| javispedro | ok, this is weird | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's probably auto-optification which is just contraindicated here, as Nokia in their eternal wisdom decided to use PA prior to mounting /opt | 20:43 |
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| javispedro | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libsndfile_1.0.20-0maemo1+ogg/summary.log | 20:43 |
| javispedro | see, AB rejected package on grounds that it overwrites a Nokia base firmware package | 20:44 |
| javispedro | yet | 20:44 |
| javispedro | the package is on the repos | 20:44 |
| mikki-kun | please, why not just give some people the sources so they can actually make a really good maemo device for us? | 20:44 |
| mikki-kun | i mean in this community we have like a dozen really amazing programmers | 20:44 |
| BCMM | at this point they are probably frightened of the n900 being better than their next big thing by the time they release it | 20:44 |
| frals | ham is open and lots of people complaining and nothing has really happend with it mikki-kun | 20:45 |
| BCMM | i mean, they were surely keeping USB host mode back as a reason for people to upgrade, right? | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | only a dozen?? | 20:45 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: there? | 20:45 |
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| mikki-kun | seems there are way more working in the background | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: (hostmode) nope, that's been fault of USB.cert zealots | 20:46 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: sorry, don't know what usb.cert zealots are | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | the USB cerification consortium blockheads | 20:47 |
| * MohammadAG considers deoptifying the libflac8 package himself | 20:48 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia wasn't allowed to sell a device with OTG half-done | 20:48 |
| dotblank | ugh.. | 20:48 |
| dotblank | Anyone have a working sbox environment? | 20:48 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: we need to remove the libsndfile1 package from -devel, it's broken | 20:48 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i thought OTG was a different thing from proper host mode? | 20:48 |
| dotblank | mine must be broken | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | # Added by maemo-optify, with apologies. | you got that right | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | but Nokia always planned to do proper OTG, and then they said "let's screw it" | 20:49 |
| BCMM | dotblank: my scratchbox worked last time i checked, though i haven't updated it in a while | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, I noticed it | 20:49 |
| dotblank | Well im getting segfaults from my output program :( | 20:49 |
| mikki-kun | i can't find flac installed in /opt... | 20:49 |
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| javispedro | mikki-kun: do you have root? | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: then they realized they managed to get a nasty hw bug in there that even stops hostmode (they thought, and hell they almost were right) | 20:50 |
| mikki-kun | i am running root on it via ssh | 20:50 |
| javispedro | mikki-kun: and do you have PR1.3? | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, ping X-Fade | 20:50 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: is OTG a seperate sort of USB, or just a word for anything that can use the same port as either a host or a slave? | 20:50 |
| javispedro | mikki-kun: then run, as root apt-get install libsndfile1=1.0.20-0maemo1+0m5 | 20:50 |
| dotblank | Well i'm trying to download the latest vm image and the site http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 20:50 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: already did, few lines above :) | 20:51 |
| dotblank | is unresponsive | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, seeing the N8 (and of course, the long sessions of DocScrutinizer explaining it to me), OTG needs a different type of portt | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: #2 plus a bit fancy stuff on top | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | port* | 20:51 |
| * MohammadAG suggests buying X-Fade a hotline or something :P | 20:51 | |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: different sorta port, or different wiring behind it to allow it to switch modes? | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, both | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | it's squarish | 20:52 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: oh, usb micro A? | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | the OTG plug doesn't go in the N900 | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | idk, I hate USB port naming schemes | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | I think it's the same as the N800's | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: Nokia changed the receptacle from AB (OTG compliant) to B (periph only) and also changed a few 'little' things during that, one of which actually breaks both OTG and simple hostmode | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, why don't you ask MohammadAG :-P | 20:54 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: this cable i have that I posted about on the hostmode thread; is it advertised wrongly then? | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | If only they left the pin connected | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, link? | 20:54 |
| BCMM | "Micro USB Host Cable OTG on the go for N810 and TG01" - it has the same plug as the cables taht come with the n900 | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 20:54 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=896306&postcount=553 (ebay links are stupidly long) | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I didn't know I made it on BCMM 's ignore lists on IRC *and* tmo | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | just to be sure, <DocScrutinizer> I didn't know I made it on BCMM 's ignore lists on IRC *and* tmo | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 20:55 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i've missed something obv. again, right? | 20:55 |
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| MohammadAG | didn't the N810 lack OTG without a kernel hack anyways? | 20:56 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, if not, I can finish up tonight. | 20:56 |
| BCMM | also, tell me when my newbie questions about USB-related stuff are boring | 20:56 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, retail crush week is wearing me down, too. | 20:57 |
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| mikki-kun | Ö.ö | 20:57 |
| mikki-kun | I heard a sound :D | 20:57 |
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| mikki-kun | YAY \o/ | 20:57 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i'm not ignoring you, but I am confused now... | 20:57 |
| mikki-kun | THANKS javispedro :D | 20:57 |
| rm_work | GAN900: retail crush week? sup | 20:58 |
| javispedro | mikki-kun: bug filled, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11709 | 20:58 |
| povbot | Bug 11709: Autobuilder allowed a Nokia-conflicting binary package to enter extras-devel (libsndfile1) | 20:58 |
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| javispedro | *filed | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | why? | 20:59 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ah, i forgot the thing about ports that accept A and B - sorry | 20:59 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, just how can autobuilder say it wasn't conflicting? | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | it can | 21:00 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libsndfile_1.0.20-0maemo1+ogg/summary.log -- it detected sndfile-programs | 21:00 |
| mikki-kun | i mean, isn't it from nokia the autobuilder? | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | but why should it | 21:00 |
| javispedro | but failed to detect libsndfile1 | 21:00 |
| BCMM | so extras-devel isn't supposed to have "upgrades" to nokia apackages? | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | i upped apt once | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, no | 21:01 |
| javispedro | BCMM: nope, that's what an SSU repo would be for. | 21:01 |
| mikki-kun | SSU? | 21:01 |
| javispedro | ~ssu | 21:02 |
| infobot | well, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 21:02 |
| BCMM | javispedro: thanks for filing a bug; couldn't get my head round who's bug it was | 21:02 |
| rm_work | yeah but a "community upgrade" wouldn't ever fall into a SSU | 21:02 |
| mikki-kun | i can't access those by default, have to use nameserver 8.8.4.4 to access them | 21:02 |
| RST38h | http://www.theonion.com/articles/20000-sacrificed-in-annual-blood-offering-to-corpo,18542/ | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | rm_work, why's that? | 21:03 |
| RST38h | Moo, rm_me | 21:03 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, what happened to Columbus? | 21:04 |
| rm_work | yo RST38h | 21:04 |
| rm_work | MohammadAG: because when would Nokia push community fixes? :P | 21:04 |
| rm_work | like xorg for n800 that supports xrandr for example | 21:04 |
| rm_work | they wouldn't put that in a SSU because it's a community thing not a nokia thing <_< | 21:05 |
| rm_work | but it's an "upgrade" to a nokia base package | 21:05 |
| javispedro | rm_work: there's this entire "community SSU" thing, you know... | 21:05 |
| RST38h | rm_me: How has life been treating you lately? Anything Maemo/Meego-related? =) | 21:05 |
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| MohammadAG | rm_work, I found Nokia-pushed fixes a bit... "unfixing" | 21:05 |
| RST38h | heh | 21:05 |
| rm_work | javispedro: ah, is there? then maybe i have been out of the loop for too long to really comment accurately | 21:05 |
| * javispedro looks at MohammadAG | 21:06 | |
| rm_work | and also, maybe I need to figure out how to load those on my n900? :) | 21:06 |
| rm_work | RST38h: not really, working long weeks for a soul-crushing corporation | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: NIH they said | 21:06 |
| rm_work | just managed to bypass their byzantine firewall last week | 21:06 |
| RST38h | rm_you: Ah, howfamiliar | 21:07 |
| rm_work | keep installing maemo SDK and then running out of time to actually do anything | 21:07 |
| rm_work | took a look at ABL beta for fremantle again... | 21:07 |
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| rm_work | briefly | 21:07 |
| rm_work | realized I violated like 100% of their UI guideline | 21:08 |
| rm_work | and that at this point no one cares | 21:08 |
| * MohammadAG stares at javispedro | 21:08 | |
| MohammadAG | *cough* #maemo-ssu *cough* | 21:08 |
| RST38h | Ui guidelines...feh | 21:09 |
| rm_work | though I should probably look at doing more abstraction around the hardware control layer (like, supporting HAL) so it would work on more devices, since meego will run not only on one device now :P | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* 14 *cough* | 21:09 |
| javispedro | HAL's been killed too | 21:09 |
| rm_work | T_T | 21:09 |
| RST38h | And Hildon too | 21:09 |
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| RST38h | Is gconf still around? | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 21:09 |
| rm_work | fail | 21:09 |
| javispedro | I think not, gnome guys talking about dconf already | 21:09 |
| rm_work | complete rewrite time... | 21:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer kills gconf | 21:09 | |
| RST38h | rm_you: But do not get dismayed, PulseAUdio and Tracker are still there | 21:10 |
| rm_work | lol | 21:10 |
| * rm_work facepalms | 21:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | PA is now knows as polypaudio | 21:10 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you're going to love Gnome's plans. The "new" GSettings API maps nicely to the Windows Registry, up to the point that on Windows it will actually use the Registry as backend. | 21:10 |
| rm_work | lolololololol | 21:10 |
| RST38h | You surely cannot deprecate such important, well designed frameworks. | 21:10 |
| rm_work | can load it in regedit as a hive? :P | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRG | 21:10 |
| RST38h | That would be aking to wasting effort. | 21:10 |
| RST38h | s/aking/akin | 21:11 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, Clutter is [apparently] out, replaced by a Qt clone of itself | 21:11 |
| rm_work | I don't mind dumping old stuff that was either poorly designed or is just really outdated... I'll put in some extra effort to port software if there is significantly less cruft | 21:11 |
| rm_work | but it needs to be replaced by something BETTER | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dare to suspect gconf lead devel was this guy of avahi and PA | 21:12 |
| RST38h | No, it needs to be replaced by something better accepted by the current management | 21:12 |
| rm_work | <_< | 21:12 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: guess what too? that guy is also going to replace init now =) | 21:12 |
| RST38h | And the current gospel is QT | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | YEEHAAA | 21:12 |
| rm_work | so, someone get me up to date really quick. I know there is a meego SDK out, right? | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | lennart was the name, YES | 21:12 |
| RST38h | yes | 21:12 |
| rm_work | did they or did they not announce a new handset at the summit or after? | 21:13 |
| RST38h | rm_you: "Meego SDK" is basically a Moblin image for netbooks | 21:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts to write a lennart-virus | 21:13 | |
| RST38h | They did not | 21:13 |
| RST38h | Gave away a bunch of Samsung netbooks instead | 21:13 |
| rm_work | <_< | 21:13 |
| * javispedro waits for the harmattan sbox sdk :) | 21:13 | |
| rm_work | i mean, admittedly those look neat? | 21:13 |
| RST38h | rm_work: They look like Samsung netbooks. | 21:13 |
| rm_work | touch netbooks... | 21:14 |
| javispedro | awfully underpowered (but it is my first crapbook so take it with a grain of salt) | 21:14 |
| RST38h | Wouldn't matter even if they had penis receptacles | 21:14 |
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| javispedro | s/crap/net/ | 21:14 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: awfully underpowered (but it is my first netbook so take it with a grain of salt) | 21:14 |
| rm_work | lcukn900: how did you manage?! HOW!? | 21:14 |
| RST38h | That is not what everyone has been waiting for (i.e. either a phone or a tablet) | 21:15 |
| rm_work | lcukn900: (having a full time job and still managing to do anything outside of work) | 21:15 |
| rm_work | yeah... | 21:15 |
| rm_work | so still no announcement (official) of new phone? | 21:15 |
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| RST38h | Nope | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: rumours | 21:15 |
| rm_work | someone was telling me they'd seen one, must have been... yeah, rumor | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, rm_work. | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277333 | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, dunno. | 21:16 |
| RST38h | rm_work: Google for Nokia N9 | 21:16 |
| javispedro | probably the real thing, imho. | 21:16 |
| RST38h | rm_work: Apparently a Harmattan device, photos out, look very close to Nokia E7 (also not out yet) | 21:16 |
| rm_work | heh, thx | 21:17 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: sup | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_work: insanity week. | 21:17 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: retail crush week? referring to your job? | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. | 21:17 |
| rm_work | where you working now? | 21:17 |
| RST38h | And, before you ask, it is *not* cut out from a used MacBook keyboard =) | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_work: local new/used bookstore. | 21:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves and goes for aspirin | 21:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I keep thinking about working somewhere else for a change, and they keep raising my pay. . . . | 21:18 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: lol | 21:18 |
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| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: and this is crazy rush week? because everyone wants books for xmas? :P | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still. | 21:18 |
| rm_work | yeah, actually I went to HPB yesterday... | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | The used part. | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | First editions, leather bounds, collectors items, etc. | 21:19 |
| rm_work | sold like $300 of textbooks for $15 because i'm lazy as @$&* now that i have so little time outside of work | 21:19 |
| rm_work | and i just needed to get them off my shelf to make room | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Textbook market is silly. | 21:19 |
| * RST38h keeping most valuable textbooks | 21:19 | |
| rm_work | yeah, these ones were "Theater Production and Management" and a bunch of russian novels | 21:20 |
| RST38h | Oh, the theater thing...I remember :) Did it go well at the end? | 21:20 |
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| rm_work | lol | 21:21 |
| rm_work | pity pass | 21:21 |
| RST38h | heh | 21:21 |
| rm_work | but all is well, i've been graduated for a full year now | 21:21 |
| rm_work | and selling my soul to the oal&gas industry | 21:21 |
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| RST38h | rm_work: I heard they pay well and let you go places | 21:22 |
| rm_work | s/oal/oil/ | 21:22 |
| infobot | rm_work meant: and selling my soul to the oil&gas industry | 21:22 |
| rm_work | yeah | 21:22 |
| rm_work | pay DAMN well | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: (increase pay) good plan, I should try this as well: CONSULTANT FOR HIRE! | 21:22 |
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| RST38h | rm_work: does the work-in-the-north / work-in-the-middle-east / go-back-to-hq career path apply to you, or is it for managers only? | 21:24 |
| rm_work | well, as a programmer in their IT/Security department, they pretty much keep me at HQ | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: please ask if they still need somebody | 21:25 |
| rm_work | DocScrutinizer? | 21:25 |
| RST38h | heh | 21:25 |
| rm_work | you looking for a job? | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:25 |
| rm_work | send me your resume :) | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 21:25 |
| * javispedro needs to learn perl in 5 minutes | 21:26 | |
| javispedro | aha a | 21:26 |
| javispedro | http://www.holg.com/oracle/monitor/perln5mn.htm | 21:26 |
| rm_work | lol javispedro | 21:26 |
| lcukn900 | rm_work deploying your software direct on a rig is required experience! | 21:26 |
| * rm_work wishes we lived in a world where no one needed to learn perl at all | 21:26 | |
| rm_work | lcukn900: my software to... provision AD priviliges to new employees? :P | 21:27 |
| RST38h | javispedro: You need ot know one thing only: Any combination of words and punctuation marks (ESPECIALLY punctuation marks) makes sense in perl | 21:27 |
| lcukn900 | yes | 21:27 |
| lcukn900 | ore so | 21:27 |
| rm_work | also, my company does not to production/exploration | 21:27 |
| rm_work | online refining and shipping | 21:27 |
| lcukn900 | unprovisioned people on rigs is bad | 21:27 |
| rm_work | *does not do | 21:27 |
| RST38h | There are worse things in the world than PERL. Hell, you might have to learn PYTHON! | 21:27 |
| rm_work | *only refining | 21:27 |
| rm_work | wtf | 21:27 |
| javispedro | a years old perl script parsing a web page and filling some html form just broke | 21:27 |
| rm_work | it's like i've got horrible autocomplete today, but it's just my brain T_T | 21:28 |
| lcukn900 | that means that everyone on the rig is unprovisioned then? | 21:28 |
| rm_work | lcukn900: my company does not do drilling :) we receive crude from other companies and refine it, and then transport and sell it in our gas stations | 21:28 |
| rm_work | and to other companies again | 21:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: fwiw... | 21:30 |
| timeless_mbp | modest was designed by nokia user interface designers | 21:30 |
| timeless_mbp | all bugs in the ui are not faults of the engineers, but of the ui designers | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | dwarfs, I knew it :-P | 21:30 |
| timeless_mbp | who got crappy requirements and wrote a ui to accommodate only those requirements | 21:30 |
| timeless_mbp | please don't insult dwarfs | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: same old story all ver again | 21:30 |
| RST38h | dwarVES | 21:31 |
| rm_work | sup timeless | 21:31 |
| timeless_mbp | rm_work: <busy> NOW | 21:31 |
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| * javispedro notes modest isn't horribly bad when compared to some other propietary platforms' clients | 21:31 | |
| RST38h | And, the main Modest problems are with the backend,not with the UI | 21:31 |
| RST38h | Still takes40-60 seconds to show aPOP3 inbox | 21:31 |
| rm_work | sorry to miss you at Dublin (assuming you made it) | 21:31 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: the backend was designed more or less to satisfy requirements of the ui designers | 21:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | i did | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: indeed, outlook express is worse XP | 21:31 |
| * timeless_mbp is gone | 21:31 | |
| RST38h | Actually, Modest uses Camel, which has not been designed for Modest at the first place | 21:32 |
| javispedro | RST38h: have you updated to pr1.3 and read https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11139 ' | 21:32 |
| povbot | Bug 11139: Long delays in email interface | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | use a webmailer, noobs! :-P | 21:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer hides | 21:33 | |
| RST38h | javispedro: Not using exchange, fortunately. But I am getting the same problem with POP3 | 21:33 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the worst part is that probably outlook express has an order of magnitude larger market share than modest =) | 21:33 |
| lcukn900 | email is one of those things where one group of people can use it happily forever and others will have problems | 21:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro:Emails openinstantly btw, but the POP3 inbox takes a longwhile | 21:33 |
| javispedro | RST38h: not necessarily MfE, happened to me with plain POP3 | 21:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Wrong | 21:34 |
| rm_work | annoyed that while n900 supports exchange, no exchange admin will ever let your device use their server unless it is android or iPhoneOS | 21:34 |
| lcukn900 | right actually | 21:34 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: mine took nearly two minutes to open until I cleaned that key | 21:34 |
| BCMM | javispedro: the worst part is probably outlook express | 21:34 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Email is a thing that can be accessed in a bunch of different ways and if you do not test or do not implement these methods, users will complain | 21:34 |
| BCMM | (of email) | 21:34 |
| RST38h | javis: Key? Hmm, ok, checking the rest of that bug report | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | telnet for the winners | 21:35 |
| RST38h | lcuk: And if you do not take time properly testing and fixing, then you may start complaining about users being "bad" on you, indeed | 21:35 |
| javispedro | RST38h: see last comment, has a snippet (I used gconf-editor instead though) | 21:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer is quite sure telnet wouldn't load html mail embedded URLs :-P | 21:37 | |
| javispedro | it should be fixed in pr1.3, but who knows... | 21:37 |
| RST38h | trying | 21:37 |
| RST38h | I do not think it is fixed | 21:37 |
| lcukn900 | rst38h so which mobile mail clients are to your satisfaction? | 21:37 |
| javispedro | it can be a different bug | 21:37 |
| javispedro | ah, perl. | 21:37 |
| * javispedro goes on to read more about it | 21:38 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Pine via ssh works | 21:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So does Claws | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, what's wring with cmdline mailers? | 21:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Google GMail Mobile works | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | wrong* | 21:38 |
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| lcukn900 | rst38h which do you use? | 21:39 |
| * nox- mutt via ssh too | 21:39 | |
| lcukn900 | and pine/ssh is not an end user thing | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaw | 21:40 |
| * lcukn900 cannot recall claws | 21:40 | |
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| RST38h | javispedro: the command line command given in the last comment does not work. | 21:40 |
| rm_work | yeah, i use mutt for mail periodically | 21:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I use PINE most often | 21:40 |
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| nox- | as they say, `all muas suck, mutt sucks less' :) | 21:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is known to work, with all known email delivery methods | 21:41 |
| javispedro | RST38h: and easy way to test if it's that issue is deleting/recreating the account | 21:41 |
| lcukn900 | rst38h can realpeople use it tho? | 21:41 |
| javispedro | well, "easy". | 21:41 |
| RST38h | Pine/Mutt preference mainly dependson how your mail agent is delivering your mail | 21:41 |
| rm_work | with mutt, you should know how to use VIM... so, no | 21:41 |
| lcukn900 | and what would you suggest for those people | 21:41 |
| javispedro | hah | 21:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk; Yes, PINE is dead simple | 21:41 |
| javispedro | on TMO They're rediscovering powervr.ini | 21:42 |
| rm_work | and pine is pico, no? | 21:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Not shiny, but easy to use | 21:42 |
| javispedro | cue cuestions about "is it possible To OMG OVERCLOCK the GPU using that file" | 21:42 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Yes, I have seen. The incredible undead lemmings. | 21:42 |
| rm_work | I hate forums... | 21:42 |
| RST38h | better than mailing lists | 21:42 |
| rm_work | yes, i hate mailing lists more | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 21:43 |
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| rm_work | IRC with properly searchable logs is the best way to go IMO | 21:43 |
| RST38h | We need an evil, elitist, merit-based forum. | 21:43 |
| * nox- still prefers a decent nntp client over any webforum :) | 21:43 | |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, dd if=$thatfile into some mtd block | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: here I ACK | 21:43 |
| * javispedro agrees with nox- | 21:43 | |
| RST38h | Preferably one that requires you towrite a program to get posting privileges | 21:43 |
| rm_work | but IRC is not a SYN! | 21:44 |
| nox- | haha | 21:44 |
| * rm_work dies from pun | 21:44 | |
| * javispedro ponders warning TMOers against changing their WSEGL plugin | 21:44 | |
| javispedro | as it will cause insta-brick | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, does a hello world count? | 21:44 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Yes, as long as it is done via DBUS :) | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pffft | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | does dbus-send count? | 21:45 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Ta. I'll try and find time, but I think I'm coming down with something | 21:45 |
| RST38h | prolly, but only once | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: linky? | 21:46 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=900745&postcount=17 | 21:46 |
| javispedro | note that the author of that is "my old friend" from the preenv thread. | 21:46 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, old? | 21:48 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: remember the bullshit speaking guy? | 21:49 |
| * RST38h does not understand why anyone cares how exactly a bunch of lemmings brick their N900s | 21:49 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: less market share for your $50 "I am rich!" application! | 21:50 |
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| javispedro | aha, the Eldar rumour about WP7 and Nokia is already on TMO! | 21:51 |
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| asj__ | javispedro: WP7? | 21:52 |
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| javispedro | windows phone 7 | 21:52 |
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| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=900715 | 21:53 |
| asj__ | thanks | 21:53 |
| RST38h | javispedro: are rodents getting properly wound up about it | 21:53 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Any posts, in all caps, "I HATE YOU NOKIA SWITCHING ANDROID"? | 21:53 |
| javispedro | they smell something | 21:53 |
| javispedro | so no, not yet. | 21:54 |
| iDont | javispedro: If i may ask: how exactly does the WSEGL setting cause devices to be bricked? Out of curiosity :) | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | Will be fun if the wp7 rumor is really true :) | 21:54 |
| crashand1ie_ | GAN900: ping | 21:54 |
| crashand1ie_ | MohammadAG: ping | 21:55 |
| javispedro | iDont: (let's bring something techie finally to the conversation) WSEGL is the one that actually decides where the color buffer is to be positioned/rendered | 21:55 |
| javispedro | Nokia ships a few ones (iirc) but from these only one takes care that our platform is a not simple fbdev based one but rather that we use Xorg | 21:55 |
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| javispedro | the rest will probably fail, either by writing somewhere that does not have the real framebuffer or by crashing | 21:56 |
| javispedro | as they're only useful when Xorg is not controlling fb0 | 21:56 |
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| javispedro | so, change it, and at best, you get black screen after hildon-desktop boot. (Well, at best, it might not do nothing because the alternative plugins will not be present in the final fw, don't really remember) | 21:57 |
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| crashand1ie_ | in the Qt SDK, can you use things such as the MAFW framework without having an N900? | 21:59 |
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| iDont | javispedro: thanks for the explanation. Do you have any clue why I read several positive comments from people at TMO who have changed this setting if it will give you a blank screen at best? | 21:59 |
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| RST38h | crash: In MADDE you mean? No | 21:59 |
| RST38h | iDont: You can find all kinds of comments on TMO. | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | iDont: well, i made not working version of my modified fmtxd for 1.3 | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | iDont: and some people claimed that it's working | 22:00 |
| javispedro | iDont: I don't want to know. | 22:00 |
| RST38h | iDont: Most are not indicative of anything. Either check who is commenting, or see how many people are commenting | 22:00 |
| javispedro | heh, lag :) | 22:00 |
| rm_work | anyone know if the FM Boost app still works? :P i still run it religiously every time i turn on my FMT but it seems to have stopped making an immediately obvious difference | 22:00 |
| RST38h | FM Boost does not work for me | 22:01 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: it's not working on 1.3 | 22:01 |
| RST38h | You can check the FM transmit power, it stays the same here | 22:01 |
| rm_work | :( sad | 22:01 |
| jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD1.3 | 22:01 |
| jacekowski | here is a fix for it | 22:01 |
| rm_work | THAT is one thing that needs to be fixed :P | 22:01 |
| iDont | hehe, could have though of such a response :P Well, I'll leave the setting alone then. I used to overclock as well, but DocScrutinizer changed my mind (and for good reasons :) | 22:01 |
| rm_work | ah | 22:01 |
| rm_work | sweet | 22:01 |
| iDont | And i thank him for that | 22:01 |
| javispedro | iDont: also, as hildon-desktop is the only one that actually touches the framebuffer, a restart is required for the setting to take effect | 22:02 |
| javispedro | so... | 22:02 |
| iDont | javispedro: i see | 22:02 |
| * RST38h touches the framebuffer, with extreme prejudice | 22:02 | |
| crashand1ie_ | RST38h: yeah, in Madde, I guess | 22:02 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: it will change power to 120 and change frequency limit to region 4 | 22:02 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: so you can use it at highest power at all possible frequencies | 22:02 |
| crashand1ie_ | RST38h: so basically, anything that is maemo-specific can't be tested through the SDK? | 22:02 |
| javispedro | RST38h: but not via the sgx or pvr2d :) | 22:02 |
| rm_work | excellent | 22:02 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: with charger plugged in | 22:03 |
| RST38h | crash: MADDE is just cross-compilation environment | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: or usb cable | 22:03 |
| rm_work | jacekowski: i see it says "installation procedure is same as prev version" but i originally installed it via apt, so..? :P | 22:03 |
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| RST38h | crash: They have promised a full-scale qemu-based emulator as part of madde, but it is not there yet (there appear to be betas though, ask stskeeps) | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | it's not fm boost | 22:03 |
| rm_work | ah | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | it's different thing | 22:03 |
| rm_work | so i should remove fmboost app | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | yes | 22:03 |
| rm_work | k | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60567 | 22:03 |
| rm_work | this is full time then? don't have to run it every time i start FM transmitter? | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | here is instruction | 22:04 |
| rm_work | thx | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: it's full time | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: that instruction is for 1.2 | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: but if you download 1.3 files it's pretty much the same | 22:04 |
| crashand1ie_ | RST38h: any options to test some code I'd like to contribute without an N900? | 22:04 |
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| jacekowski | crashand1ie_: nokia has some remote thing | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | so you can access real n900 via internet | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie_: or you can use qemu with full device emulation | 22:05 |
| rm_work | jacekowski: ok, still need to also install fmtx-fake? | 22:05 |
| crashanddie_ | jacekowski: so through scratchbox? | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: no | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: depends | 22:05 |
| crashanddie_ | jacekowski: link to that nokia remote-n900 thingie? | 22:05 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, no worries, I can handle it tonight. | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: if you had to use fmtx-faker before you will have to use it now | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: where are those? last time I checked (~18months ago) the N900 wasn't available | 22:06 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, I'll take care of publishing if you want to send me a little how-to. | 22:06 |
| rm_work | hrm k | 22:06 |
| rm_work | i already have fmtx-faker installed, can leave it alone? | 22:06 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa: need help? | 22:06 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i never used it | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | i'm just repating what i heard here | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | or read on nokia website | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | rm_work: yes | 22:07 |
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| jacekowski | rm_work: if it doesn't work then you will have to reinstall it | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it was a funny idea to operate on real devices, with little robot fingers to press keys etc | 22:07 |
| rm_work | k | 22:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: What sort of things do you want to do on the device? | 22:08 |
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| javispedro | ah, they're going to copy the webos2 sgx drivers, not realizing that it's not even the same sgx model! | 22:09 |
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| crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil: integrate the MAFW wrapper code that someone provided to MohammadAG with MohammadAG's media player interface | 22:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: What would you need - just ssh? | 22:10 |
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| crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil: nha, VNC as well most likely | 22:11 |
| Choom | how does someone without an N900 gain interest in writing code for it? | 22:11 |
| crashanddie_ | hang on, I found the RDA -- remote device access | 22:12 |
| javispedro | Choom: you usually write for desktop Linux | 22:12 |
| crashanddie_ | it provides access to the N900 | 22:12 |
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| Choom | yesh, but since you're not personally benefiting from it, what's the point? | 22:13 |
| Choom | when I write a piece of software I'm its target audience, and so are my needs its target needs | 22:14 |
| Choom | if it can be useful to others, great, but I'd never write something that I woul not benefit from | 22:14 |
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| Choom | was just wondering, nothing wrong with it :) | 22:15 |
| crashanddie_ | holy shit | 22:15 |
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| crashanddie_ | it actually works | 22:15 |
| crashanddie_ | I have access to an N900, lol | 22:15 |
| RST38h | heh | 22:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Woo! | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie_: try to brick it | 22:16 |
| crashanddie_ | haha | 22:16 |
| crashanddie_ | rm -rf /* | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | i'm just wondering how does it work | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, it's kinda old | 22:17 |
| Choom | I'd be very careful about providing access to my phone to strangers | 22:17 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: does it work? | 22:17 |
| javispedro | it used to.. | 22:17 |
| * MohammadAG used it in October 09 :P | 22:17 | |
| Choom | with all the sensors in it I wouldn't like to have a backdoor here | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | most strings had !! before them | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, vnc-like thing | 22:18 |
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| MohammadAG | developed by Digia | 22:18 |
| crashanddie_ | screen doesn't seem responsive | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | chroom for me the issue would be that I'd have to setup segregation and arrange a untrusted interior network partition | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, blame your interwebz | 22:18 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: is it running on real phone? | 22:18 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: some of the phones actually have real SIMs | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | also, install ssh and post an IP | 22:19 |
| crashanddie_ | fail | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, yes | 22:19 |
| crashanddie_ | doesn't detect my mouse clicks apparently | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, go into a 5800 and start the camera | 22:19 |
| Choom | tell MohammadAG to go punch the screen | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | you'll see wires | 22:19 |
| kerio | crashanddie_: wait, what? | 22:21 |
| mece | crashanddie_, what are you using? | 22:21 |
| jacekowski | what about older phones | 22:22 |
| crashanddie_ | there's a few hundred phones available | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | most phones are on there | 22:22 |
| crashanddie_ | kerio & mece: RDA | 22:22 |
| crashanddie_ | http://apu.ndhub.net/devices | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | 4 N900s afaik | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | 2 N8s | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | (You need a Forum Nokia account) | 22:22 |
| mece | lulz | 22:22 |
| mece | "The credentials you provided cannot be determined to be authentic." | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, I shouldn't this here I guess, but oh well | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | I hacked a 5800 on there once and tested a mod of mine | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | it resulted in a bootloop | 22:23 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i don't see anything on 5800 camera | 22:25 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: I'm going to dev on the media player | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, capture the image | 22:25 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: can you give me a sitrep of what's to do? | 22:25 |
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| MohammadAG | get mafw source working with it | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | I'm rewriting the FMTX dialog in Qt | 22:26 |
| javispedro | why''' | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | cause the current one can't be parented in Qt | 22:27 |
| javispedro | huuu | 22:28 |
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| javispedro | wait | 22:28 |
| javispedro | that makes no sense, can you elaborate? | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | osso_exec_cp whatever expects a gpointer | 22:28 |
| rm_work | jacekowski: cool, works, painless, not even a reboot required. thanks :) | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | if I pass this, it'll obviously fail | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | (since "this" is a QMainWindow) | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | actually, it won't fail, it just won't have a parent | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | meaning if the player was in portrait mode, it'll flip into landscape mode | 22:29 |
| javispedro | "The GTK top-level widget. It is needed so that the widgets created by the plugin can be made a child of the main application that utilizes the plugin. Type is a gpointer so that the plugin does not need to depend on GTK (in which case it should ignore the parameter). " | 22:30 |
| * javispedro jiggles | 22:30 | |
| MohammadAG | the rewrite has to be part of the mediaplayer's code too | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | since starting any Qt related app in portrait mode causes a segfault | 22:31 |
| javispedro | do you link with Gtk+ already? | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | so I can't call it externally | 22:31 |
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| MohammadAG | Not sure what you mean by that, so assume that I don't | 22:32 |
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| javispedro | (reading Qt source) | 22:33 |
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| javispedro | they probably link with Gtk+ already to get all the Hildon stuff | 22:33 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: so the Qt simulator wouldn't allow me to test against the GObject code, right? | 22:34 |
| javispedro | what I mean is that the MaemoQt calls Hildon stuffs, that means it uses tricks that I guess allow it to get GtkWidgets from QWidgets (probably using externals) | 22:34 |
| pupnik | hildon, we hardly knew ye | 22:34 |
| javispedro | *gdk externals | 22:34 |
| crashanddie_ | javispedro: yeah, we'll be talking to MAFW, so we'll have link against GObject stuff | 22:35 |
| crashanddie_ | javispedro: so not too far a stretch to link against GtkWidgets | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: gps is working there as well | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, finland :p | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, probably not | 22:36 |
| jacekowski | yeah i found nokia top secret headquater | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, get your device back | 22:36 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: actually, I might just go hit some kid down the road who bought an N900 a couple months back | 22:36 |
| crashanddie_ | brb | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, that... might work too | 22:36 |
| javispedro | poor kid. | 22:37 |
| javispedro | (cause he bought a n900 =) ) | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: I wonder if you can test custom kernels on those devices :-D | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you can erase the bootloader | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | does that answer your question? :P | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | kinda | 22:38 |
| javispedro | you can even use it to break their wifis | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 22:38 |
| javispedro | when I used it there was a long list of APs :9 | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: have you tried? | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, I bricked a 5800 | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | and that's not an open device | 22:39 |
| * javispedro curses gitorious | 22:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so where's the KVM to initialize a coldflash? | 22:39 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Publishing's the easy bit. | 22:39 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: Feel free to get stuck in, link sent directly. | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia's definition of push email, you get all emails as a digest in one push | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you have 4 devices on it, have fun | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't work for me, no way to plug in USB peripherals :-P | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even a simple eMMC repartitioning flashing will be feasible | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | btw | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | all devices are on charge | 22:42 |
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| MohammadAG | feel free to stop bme | 22:42 |
| javispedro | what do you plan to do? hack those n900 so that when the guy that probably flashes them every night gets to them finds they're now self conscious and debating whether to kill all the employees or just post in TMO? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | what for? | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: well, it doesn't look like it's flashed every night | 22:43 |
| crashanddie_ | ok, I have an N900 | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, they're flashed on each update | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: lot of old crap still there | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | We could demonstrate you can NOT explode the battery XD | 22:44 |
| * MohammadAG found some java porn apps on a 5800 | 22:44 | |
| ioan | anyone knows how to configure Brekeke SIP server to work with N900? | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | i'm surprised you guys didn't know about RDA | 22:44 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: now how do I setup Qt Creator to run on the device? | 22:45 |
| javispedro | there was a tmo thread about it even, back before I had my n900 | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know from a time where there were no N900 | 22:45 |
| javispedro | argh ARGH ARGGGGGGGGGGGH | 22:45 |
| * javispedro watches the qt-maemo guys do horrible hack | 22:45 | |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, projects, click the + sign, add maemo, edit the run part | 22:45 |
| javispedro | even worser than the one I was looking for | 22:45 |
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| MohammadAG | where did you get the device crashanddie_ ? | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, now that's long enough just coffee. See you | 22:47 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: kid at the end of the street | 22:47 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: basically, to set "parent" (in Qt language; transient for hint in X11 language) they just create the window then set the transient hint of whatever the active window is | 22:47 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: it's PR1.2, problem? | 22:47 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: that is easily replicable but looks so hackish (even to me) than yes, keep on creating the replacement dialog = | 22:47 |
| javispedro | =) | 22:47 |
| javispedro | s/than/that | 22:48 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, what did you do? o_O | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | and maybe, you might need the old sysroot, which I have no idea where to get | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | or add the sdk repos and update libqt4-* | 22:49 |
| crashanddie_ | old sysroot? | 22:49 |
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| Venemo | javispedro: what replacement dialog? | 22:51 |
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| javispedro | fmtx applet | 22:51 |
| javispedro | for the qtmediaplayer menu | 22:51 |
| Venemo | oh, yeah :) | 22:52 |
| Venemo | X11 transient hint might be a way to go | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, just add the sdk repos to the device and upgrade libqt4* | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, said that works | 22:53 |
| Venemo | ok MohammadAG :) | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, any idea in where to get the supported FMTX range? | 22:54 |
| Venemo | hm btw jacekowski, is your fmtxd replacement OSS? | 22:54 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: no | 22:54 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: it's binary patch of original fmtxd | 22:54 |
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| jacekowski | very illegal | 22:54 |
| jacekowski | and breaking couple copyright laws | 22:54 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: you mean frequency range? | 22:55 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: how did you manage to do that? :O | 22:55 |
| style | Hi, does anyone know any tricks to make physical keyboard work with bluemaemo in n900? | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: with hex editor | 22:55 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: nice :D | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | style: get ri of bluemaemo | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, yeah, the current GUI populates only the range that can be enabled | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | style: it has nothing to do with it | 22:55 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: dbug | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | dbus* | 22:55 |
| * MohammadAG points Venemo to hex and a decompiler | 22:56 | |
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| Venemo | lol | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | disassembler | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, hmm? | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: fmtxd gets that from /sys/somewhere | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: but original applet pulls it from fmtxd | 22:56 |
| style | jacekowski: is there any alternatives then? it works perfectly in other ways | 22:57 |
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| jacekowski | style: yes | 22:57 |
| style | jacekowski: could you say the name of the app? :) | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | style: /etc/bluetooth/main.conf | 22:57 |
| crashanddie_ | /usr/lib/mad-developer/devrootsh: not found | 22:57 |
| crashanddie_ | crap | 22:57 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: seen that before? | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | style: and there is a line | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | style: DisablePlugins = network,input,hal | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | style: remove input from that list | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | style: and restart bluetooth services/reboot phone | 22:58 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: I told the kid I wouldn't tell on him smoking to his parents, and gave him a pack of fags | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | style: after that keyboard should just work | 22:58 |
| Venemo | crashanddie_: really? | 22:58 |
| style | jacekowski: cool, but then there is no way to control mouse or is there? | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | style: there is if it's bluetooth mouse | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | com.nokia.FMTx I see | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | style: but n900 bluetooth support only one connection | 22:59 |
| style | jacekowski: I mean using n900 touchscreen :/ | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | style: so it's either keyboard or mouse | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: yes | 22:59 |
| style | ye, but in bluemaemo it was nice to switch | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: it's somewhere in developer manual | 23:00 |
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| jacekowski | Venemo: why lol? | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | btw. does anybody want to give me 3k euro? | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, install madde | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | I could, if you gave me 4k | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: love to, if I had 3k euro to spare | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: get someone to give me 4+k and I'd be glad to | 23:01 |
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| jacekowski | i'm planning to rob a bank | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | i have a plan how to get in | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | i'm not sure about getting out yet | 23:02 |
| Venemo | :D | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | me stares at 1300NTD | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, can I improve the plan? | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | do you have a helicopter? | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | Step 0: don't talk about it on a logged channel | 23:03 |
| GAN900 | Scrollback generating spammers. | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | hmm, last day of holiday tomorrow | 23:04 |
| javispedro | this, or a #meego-like silence :) | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | and then i go back to work for 3 days | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | and then christmas | 23:05 |
| crashanddie_ | jacekowski: what do you do? | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | at the moment | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | nothing | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | ircing | 23:05 |
| crashanddie_ | for work, I meant | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | same thing | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | ircing | 23:05 |
| crashanddie_ | lol | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | most of the day | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 23:05 |
| GAN900 | lol | 23:06 |
| GAN900 | Zombies! | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | and when i'm not ircing i'm playing with any devices that have transistors in them | 23:07 |
| crashanddie_ | so basically any electronic device produced in the last 30 years | 23:07 |
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| jacekowski | pretty much yes | 23:07 |
| crashanddie_ | well, any electric device in the last 20 years | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | yep | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | except PIC based stuff | 23:08 |
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| jacekowski | i avoid that | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | hrm | 23:08 |
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| javispedro | who designed the perl grammar? | 23:10 |
| crashanddie_ | Larry Wall? | 23:10 |
| javispedro | fscking genius. | 23:10 |
| javispedro | I hope he forced someone else to implement the parser for it. | 23:11 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: madde, from which repo? | 23:11 |
| crashanddie_ | Venemo: yeah | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie_: but i generally do electronic related stuff | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie_: +other things people ask me to | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | because apparently i'm only person that knows how every single machine works | 23:12 |
| RST38h | Larry Wall is a linguist, not a programmer | 23:12 |
| RST38h | And he has his own ideas about what programming language should look like and do | 23:13 |
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| crashanddie_ | well, for a linguist, he did a pretty good job I'd say | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Having said that, PERL is still ways more useful than Python | 23:13 |
| crashanddie_ | RST38h: is then Christiansen who did most of Perl? | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Dunno | 23:14 |
| * RST38h isn't an expert on christiansens | 23:14 | |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, my bad, http://maemo.org/packages/view/mad-developer/ | 23:16 |
| BCMM | ah! finally found a cheap, nasty USB stick that doesn't work with h-e-n | 23:17 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: didn't need to update Qt | 23:22 |
| crashanddie_ | works OOTB | 23:22 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: I'll integrate Nicolai's code now | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: \o/? | 23:28 |
| BCMM | Is there any way I can be useful with it? | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, provide syslog | 23:28 |
| BCMM | do you mean dmesg or syslog? i don't have a syslog | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | test if it actually doesn't work with any speed, and also if it doesn't start working on replugging it | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmesg will probably do | 23:29 |
| BCMM | so you can install a syslogd? does that kill battery life in normal usage? | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | not afaik | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | works nicely here | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Though I'm not really happy with it logging to /var/log/syslog | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil changed the config of his to use eMMC (i.e. ~ iirc) | 23:31 |
| ioan | what could be the reason if the sip account on n900 connects, if I call the SIP number the N900 rings, but there is no voice going in any direction? | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that causes syslogd to break on boot and need a sighup later on after mounting that ~ partition | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ioan: usually NAT problems | 23:32 |
| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/20/yes-thats-a-woman-with-a-dog-in-a-baby-bjorn-throwing-prototyp/ | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (log) ...which mostly nullifies one major use of ksyslogd: have a proper non-truncated log of boot | 23:34 |
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| lardman|home | night all | 23:37 |
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| _ke | is there anyone using syncevolution with a n900 device on fedora 14 and got it to work without the "ObexTransprotAgent: Underlying transport error" error? | 23:47 |
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