IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-12-21

RST38hIs it some silly flash game?00:00
MohammadAGHTML5, but the title kinda got me :/00:01
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javispedro"perhaps it will run at 1000Ghz at proper speed"00:22
javispedrothat's the TMO spirit!00:22
javispedrosomehow I just want to be here when Nokia finally tells everyone how big a joke this was and announces the move to WP7 :)00:24
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I feel that headache again: /var/lib/pulse-nokia/*00:26
villeva while back we where joking how Nokia should make an Android device, just to create some more fragmentation there00:27
villevadd extra 13 pixels somewhere00:27
villevor uppercase some functions in the api00:27
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villevWP7 could be a nice coffee room prank as well00:28
javispedroDocScrutinizer: it would be best for your health to skip that directory and forget that existed00:28
DocScrutinizeralas my brain doesn't work that way00:28
javispedrovillev: hardly a prank these days. just use an entirely different filesystem, different semantics, fail to implement most of the public APIs... and you'd fall short of what Samsung does.00:28
DocScrutinizeresp funny detail: hs is all about headphone, while hp is all about earphone/handset00:29
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GAN900javispedro, love it.00:38
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javispedroyeah, it will be fun00:46
javispedro"Merry Christmas!!! I hope you all have been good"00:47
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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:51
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GAN900Who reads mwkn?01:01
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GAN900rm_work, http://mwkn.net01:08
GAN900Polling to see what sort of summary format people prefer.01:09
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rm_workah neat01:20
rm_workwell, off to home01:20
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* javispedro does01:22
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javispedroand my only suggestion so far is to put all headlines on frontpage01:22
javispedroI mean, in the headline+brief format01:22
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javispedroprobably doesn't match what you had in mind :)01:23
GAN900javispedro, well, sounds useful anyway.01:25
GAN900Basically the "download" edition format?01:25
javispedrohey, good point01:26
GAN900Or do you mean something shorter than the full story vy "brief"?01:26
GAN900Ah, OK.01:26
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GAN900Yeah, I think the original idea was to have more stories per issue01:26
GAN900Thus making the dividing up more sensible.01:27
GAN900javispedro, you like longer quotes or shorter quotes?01:27
GAN900And more or less commentary?01:27
javispedrocurrently the amount varies a lot between issues01:28
GAN900It does.01:28
GAN900Depends a lot on how lazy the aggregators have been during the week and how tired Jaffa and I are on Sunday.01:29
javispedrotbh, dunno. I haven't find any entry I would say it's too short (or too long)01:29
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: no kidding, do you know anything about that PA-Nokia crap?01:29
javispedroDocScrutinizer: I know a bit, and that's enough for me to want a blue-flasher memory eraser thingie from Men in black01:30
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javispedrobasically there's a mix of components involved01:31
DocScrutinizerwell, I guess I can find out a lil bit with strings and lsof and strace, but...01:32
javispedroseems that policy was meant to be put in ohmd01:32
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javispedroohmd has at least a partial prolog implementation for running what would seem to me the policy engine01:32
javispedrothere's a lot of dbus talk between libplayback<->ohmd->nokia-pulse modules01:32
DocScrutinizerPA also is supposed to have prolog (WTF?!) for policy, according to wiki01:33
javispedrowhat wiki?01:33
javispedroand parts of ohmd were opened recently01:33
javispedroof the nokia ohmd stuff, I mean01:33
MohammadAG<javispedro> DocScrutinizer: I know a bit, and that's enough for me to want a blue-flasher memory eraser thingie from Men in black01:33
MohammadAGif you find one, try to remember that I want one too01:33
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javispedrowill do :)01:34
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* javispedro lols at the Meego error messages stuff01:36
DocScrutinizerumm, that's ohm01:36
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DocScrutinizer>> The policy engine is based on the OHM framework. It is dynamically configurable with scripting and a prolog based rule database.01:37
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* SpeedEvil sighs.01:37
javispedrobut what are you trying to do?01:38
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DocScrutinizererrrr. forgot it. What did you ask? What was that strange blue flash?01:39
* javispedro suggests a TCP RST here01:39
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javispedroStskeeps has finally subscribed to my "history is cyclical" school of thought :) : (flash thread)01:49
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FireStorm|is the n900 software  20.2010. lastest version? cause i'm sure i read some where it isn't but can't seem to find much info but ovi suite says it is01:51
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javispedroFireStorm|: yes01:53
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: hah, I seem to remember now - I felt unhappy about a perceived overemphasis on bass, when using N900 with my home stereo01:54
FireStorm|forget that found it and it makes snese lol01:54
FireStorm|ty anyway javispedro01:55
javispedroDocScrutinizer: ah. If you're playing over headphones and using mplayer you can go through alsa and forget about PA01:55
javispedro*over the headphones output, not using builtin speakers I mean.01:55
FireStorm|is there a know problem with msg software? i saved someone as a contact i've txt them a few time then suddenly it has lost the contact info and the txt display no name or number and can't reply to it, but i i send person a txt via nw msg seems to send ok, then it loses all replys i snt to them, i rebooted the phonea and it come up with loas of txts from said peron with all there txt they have sent me01:56
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DocScrutinizerhmmm, osso-mediaplayer:crap [check]. PA:hate [check]. ALSA:bearable [check]. better mediaplayer... TODO. Not happy with mplayer01:57
javispedroyou probably *could* get the osso mediaplayer to output to ALSA.01:57
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javispedrokilling the pa sink plugin (via unlink() =) ) might be enough01:59
javispedrowho knows01:59
DocScrutinizercanola also completely windofied and causing nausea or tachycardia01:59
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* DocScrutinizer prods MohammadAG to finish his mohammediaplayer02:00
javispedromohammediaplayer will use MAFW, same backend osso uses02:00
javispedroso getting it to output over alsa will be as hard02:00
DocScrutinizeryeah, but MAFW uses gstreamer, no? and you probably have enough control about the gstreamer stack, to make e.g. audio device configurable02:01
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javispedroyeah, but I think this "config" should be accessible already02:01
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javispedrohardcoded to pulse02:04
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DocScrutinizeron a seconf thought, even gstreamer is braindamaged, regarding a decent system architecture aka concept, as for example it's extreme nonsense to convert mp3 from time/freq domain into a pcm steam, just to use a seconf FFT later on for EQ and then convert back to pcm again02:05
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javispedroabstraction -- the reason you could play an mp3 on your pentium 133 and hardly can on your N900.02:06
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DocScrutinizerhigh regard for developers hardcoding audio sink02:07
DocScrutinizernot even in an embedded environment I could figure any valid excuse for doing that02:08
Venemojavispedro: I don't agree with 'hardly'02:09
javispedrook, ok :)02:10
DocScrutinizerthe very first mp3 player apps I used had such nice things like speed tuning without pitch change (and vice versa), and also a rather decent EQ02:10
DocScrutinizerI don't agree with P133. You'll easily do that on a 16MHz 386 I guess02:11
DocScrutinizerassuming you're using a properly written decoder+player app02:12
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javispedromore accurate comparison, as playing a mp3 on the n900 uses up to 50% of the CPU at 250 Mhz :)02:14
DocScrutinizer44.1 KHz    2    128 Kbps    ARM9E 17 MHz02:14
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MohammadAG* DocScrutinizer prods MohammadAG to finish his mohammediaplayer02:16
MohammadAGmight as well change the repository's name now :/02:17
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DocScrutinizerok, so the correct name is qt-mediaplayer then?02:18
javispedrook ok, I'll stop :)02:19
DocScrutinizermoh's qt player02:19
javispedroattilla just said on tmo that flash 10 will NOT come to Meego02:20
DocScrutinizeror cuteplayer02:20
* javispedro prepares for the eventual shitstorm02:20
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* SpeedEvil also prepares.02:21
DocScrutinizerHAHAHA LOL02:21
* SpeedEvil puts away the big bag of popcorn.02:21
nox-so nokia is now joining apple in the anti-flash thing? :)02:22
javispedrothere's people that still believe that there will me a "N900 Meego 1.2 Update" on April02:22
DocScrutinizerattilla == adobe?02:22
javispedroDocScrutinizer: sorry, mistyped attila7702:22
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javispedroseems that DocsToGo is also stuck on the Ovi Store limbo02:29
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: looking at things like ohmd I start to love closed source OS, as there the developers have no excuse whatsoever not to ship a minimum comprehensive documentation about API and working principles. I have that weird feeling whole meEgo will become an undigestible dump of uncommented obfuscated code just like ohmd. Then they check if ther GPL preamble is evenly spread across the files and call that FOSS02:29
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MohammadAGhow does ubuntu do this?02:33
MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ apt-get02:33
MohammadAGautoclean        clean            purge            upgrade02:33
BCMMMohammadAG: the tab-completion, you mean?02:34
* javispedro thanks god "bash" is not here02:34
DocScrutinizerdoing what?02:34
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BCMMbash completion plugins02:35
MohammadAGit's kinda cool tbh02:35
BCMMMohammadAG: there are little bash scripts in /etc/bash_completion.d/ that run when you press tab02:36
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BCMMi presume there is a way to set them up for a user as well02:36
DocScrutinizer-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 561 24. Okt 2009  /etc/bash_completion.d/   :-D02:37
BCMMthe ubuntu thing i *don't* understand is that thing where it handles commands that don't exist, and tells you what you need to install02:38
javispedroafaik, they patched bash.02:38
BCMMDocScrutinizer: gentoo has a bash completion script for qdbus, which is splendid02:38
BCMMyou tab to complete the application you want to use, and again for the dbus path and so on02:38
BCMMof course, it's kinda annoying that a broken dbus-using program can cause your shell to not return02:39
DocScrutinizerCOMPREPLY=($(compgen -W "$(/usr/lib/dbus-1-glib/dbus-bash-completion-helper dbus-send ${COMP_WORDS[@]:0})" -- $cur))02:39
BCMMit's weird having to ctrl-c a tab-completion02:39
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Termanagood morning03:14
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javispedromorning Termana03:18
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blackthorneif i activate the silent profile, is it possible that my browser plays sound namely by some flash plugin?03:40
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jacekowskiit's just ringtones and stuff03:45
blackthornedo you know of some sound switcher ?03:45
MohammadAGjust lower volume to 003:45
blackthornethere is for wifi - on/off03:46
MohammadAGand there's a slider you can slide to 003:46
blackthornei prefer to use those keys for zoom while browsing03:47
MohammadAGumm, status menu?03:47
blackthornegenius, thanks03:48
MohammadAGno problem03:48
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blackthornei think i just acquired the ultimate multipurpose gadget combo: N900 and the iPhone 403:52
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blackthorneeach one takes good care of the other limitations03:52
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quanttromhello, how can I open the conversations app from cli?04:06
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blackthornehow can i unshadow a registered password?05:13
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xkr47is it possible to control whether n900 will charge its battery when connected with a usb cable ?08:55
xkr47whenever at a desk, I prefer to have it connected, but wouldn't want to wear out the battery by keeping it in the charger for long times when at near full capacity08:57
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RobbieThe1stxkr47: It will automatically charge it till it's full, then stop charging it09:01
xkr47yeah but won't it start charging again when it drops to 95% or something ?09:02
RobbieThe1stYes, but that's 95% of it's -current- capacity; it would take at least a day to get that low with no usage09:02
RobbieThe1stBecause the device is getting (most of) it's power from the USB during/after the charge09:03
xkr47if I temporarily unplug it, then it will typically start charging again when I reconnect it09:03
RobbieThe1stRemember this: LiOn chargers work on -voltage-, because that's all they can work on.09:04
RobbieThe1stWhen you start using it, the voltage drops by a bit. When you plug it back in, the voltage is lower than the threshold, and starts the charging process09:04
RobbieThe1stthe voltage quickly goes back up, the current being drawn drops below a threshold, and it stops09:05
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RobbieThe1stAs such, leaving it on the charger won't really hurt it, at least no more than keeping the battery charged will.09:05
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RobbieThe1stUnplugging and replugging it constantly may hurt it slightly, but I'd be more worried about the USB port myself09:06
chxwhich is more durable, the back plate or the USB plate?09:06
chxi have a separate battery charger09:07
chxand two batteries.09:07
RobbieThe1stI don't know; I think it depends on the unit - some revisions had a problem with the usb port09:07
RobbieThe1stthe newer ones don't seem to09:07
RobbieThe1stBe -careful- unplugging it and you'll be fine.09:07
RobbieThe1stSwapping batteries... I'd consider that a last resort, if only because you have to reboot the system, which takes time & power09:08
chxRobbieThe1st: how cna i know which reivison i have?09:08
RobbieThe1stThere's a way09:09
RobbieThe1stI forget it though09:09
RobbieThe1stFlasher will tell you when you flash it; one of the options may tell you without making you flash anythin09:10
chxerm, i mean which revisions have usb broken09:10
RobbieThe1stI... Honestly don09:10
RobbieThe1st't know09:10
RobbieThe1st"cat /proc/cpuinfo"09:11
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RobbieThe1stI've got revision: 2101, and I'm pretty sure that's in the "good" list09:11
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RobbieThe1stchx: What does yours say?09:12
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chxyes 210109:15
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RobbieThe1stsome info:
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RobbieThe1stOf course, if you -really- want to save your USB port, you can do what one t.m.o user did - Take a mugen cover, mount a charger plug in it, wire it up and use an external LiOn charger.09:18
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mecehello maemonians10:03
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mecewhat's new?10:05
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DokterWInstalled TwimGo this other day. So far it's my favourite Twitter client.10:08
meceIt's pretty sweet. Best one out right now :)10:09
meceI'm making one for myself, based on what I want though :)10:10
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DokterWNice! Will you be releasing it to the public?10:15
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meceDokterW, sorry, was distracted. Yes sure, once it's usable.10:28
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MohammadAGmece, just improve on TweeGo, it has the best UI of them all11:32
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Khertan_QML (Qt Meta-Object Language) is a JavaScript-based ... ouch11:39
Khertan_stop reading here ... :)11:40
fralsits awesome tbh11:40
lardmanmece: I quite like the sound of Flipboard (iPad app) which downloads pages, images, etc. which are linked in tweets11:41
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JaffaKhertan_: It's actually quite good. We built something similar using Groovy for our in-house screen design (because we don't have a separation of designers & coders on each project, so developers can use an existing library of widgets in a declarative manner to build a conformant and consistent UI)11:46
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JaffaKhertan_: However, I'm looking forward to better supported/more core reusable widgets11:48
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meceMohammadAG, I'm already using my own. Also, TweeGo UI is not at all what I want11:51
mecelardman, flipboard is incredible11:51
MohammadAGmece, try to make it complete, please :P11:52
MohammadAGthe amount of twitter apps in our repos are catching up with that of fart apps on the iPhone11:53
meceMohammadAG, don't hold your breath. I'm making it for me.11:53
meceMohammadAG, have you tried TwimGo? I like that one.11:55
meceMohammadAG, that's the most complete one IMO.11:56
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* Jaffa likes Khweeteur best at the moment for Maemo Twitter apps (thanks Khertan_)12:05
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dnearyHey hey12:15
dnearyX-Fade, Would you mind updating planet.css from svn, please?12:15
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X-Fadedneary: done12:17
dnearyDoes look OK to you now?12:17
dnearyJaffa, Ping?12:18
X-Fadedneary: Everything just looks borked. Packages, Downloads etc all have these ugly lines. But if you like them, then leave them.12:19
dnearyX-Fade, Conflicted12:19
dnearyThe lines look better on pages of text12:20
X-FadeWay too many horizontal lines.12:20
dnearyMaybe I should set them just for the wiki12:20
X-FadeI'd set them for anything documentation.12:20
dnearyI really wanted to stay consistent12:20
X-FadeWhere it makes more sense.12:20
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dnearyHard to do... I don't think there is any CSS file common only to documentation12:21
X-Fadedneary: I think there is a special div.12:21
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dnearyX-Fade, Well, at least it's not awful any more12:26
dnearyX-Fade, It's not ideal...12:26
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dnearyI'll work on some kind of compromise today12:26
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pupnikpandora SNES emulator running on A70 :D hahahaha12:27
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dnearyX-Fade, I don't see any special ID on the divs in the intro or development sections of maemo.org12:28
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dnearyAlthough there is on planet-entry and downloads - so I could conceivably leave the underlined headers everywhere *but* there.12:28
X-Fadedneary: I can also add a css based on url regex. See head-local.php12:29
dnearyX-Fade, Perhaps the easiest is just to underline headers in the wiki12:30
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dnearyAnd see if anyone notices that it isn't underlined everywhere :)12:30
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MohammadAGX-Fade, did you get javispedro's message/bug?12:31
Jaffadneary: pong12:31
dnearyJaffa, Need your opinion on the updated planet12:31
X-FadeMohammadAG: Yes. I so hate our current setup :)12:32
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Jaffadneary: Lines between articles lost, but kept on the h1 & h2?12:32
dnearyJaffa, Yup12:32
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X-FadeMohammadAG: I can't do fatal errors in buildme. I need somebody to add that functionality.12:32
dnearyI am thinking of putting back the two-tone, and removing header underlining everywhere except the wiki12:32
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MohammadAGX-Fade, just take down the package for now?12:33
X-FadeMohammadAG: Yes, but then also things break because they depend on it.12:34
Jaffadneary: I'd take them off <h2> on planet, TBH.12:34
Jaffadneary: "two-tone"?12:34
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dnearyJaffa, The old separator between articles was a 2 pixel gif12:34
dnearyJaffa, One bright pixel, one shadow pixel12:35
dnearyWith repeat-x12:35
Jaffadneary: Ah12:35
Jaffadneary: Sounds like it might be better12:35
dnearyTo create a bevelled h-separator12:35
MohammadAGX-Fade, breaking those packages is better than breaking devices12:36
X-FadeMohammadAG: True that.12:36
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RST38hMoo all.12:40
pupnikhey RST38h12:42
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: was that you who is empowered to edit the comments on ?12:42
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Amongst a few others, yes.12:43
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: It still seems the comment there is like "always flash COMBINED *first*, _then VANILLA". Could you have a look and fix that? With our recent eMMC img there's no reason to flash rootfs first, but a whole lot of reasons to flash it last12:44
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: It was you who came up with that wording, right? :)12:45
DocScrutinizernope, never ever12:45
DocScrutinizerI always insisted in flashing VANILLA first and THEN flash COMBINED is the better sequence12:46
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: since optification it's almost impossible to get a full flashing right the first time, as virtually nobody can avoid accidentally booting up the device between the two flash processes12:48
DocScrutinizerand following the "Nokia"-suggested way to flash rootfs first, then eMMC, will result in a broken system if you accidentally let device boot in between12:49
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: actually - to be on safe side of fence for all future times - we would need THREE flashes: rootfs, eMMC, rootfs12:50
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: We had this discussion before and that is how I changed the wording last time.12:50
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: To be on the safe side, they should use the windows flasher. Which is what most do :D12:51
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crashanddieX-Fade, I know your comment is semi tongue-in-cheek12:51
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crashanddieX-Fade, however, asking people to own a $300 OS just for the sake of updating their phone is nearly worthy of Sony :)12:52
X-Fadecrashanddie: No, dead serious. If you don't know what you are doing, a gui with no options is a lot safer.12:52
Choomyou don't need the ultimate version of windows 7 to run the tool12:52
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X-Fadecrashanddie: Really, if we have a 5% linux user base then we are already aiming high.12:52
crashanddieX-Fade, agreed on the UI part, we just need something that can also handle Linux/OSX12:52
crashanddieX-Fade, you have to see the irony of selling a linux-based phone that needs Windows for proper updates, though ;)12:53
X-FadeThat is not to say that we need to let people do the wrong thing by default. I'm all for wording it in a way which is not confusing.12:53
X-Fadecrashanddie: End-user does not care.12:53
crashanddieI'm an end-user12:54
X-FadeIt is just works/doesn't work for most.12:54
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: that's still no reason to *require* a clumsy useless flashing sequence from users, then say "ohmy they have no clue when they fail to accomplish mission impossible"12:54
crashanddieyeah, but that's a bollocks argument, X-Fade12:54
ChoomX-Fade: quite frankly I would expect a much higher linux user base for this particular phone because the sample becomes biased12:54
X-FadeFor us the linux thing is really nice, but really..12:54
DocScrutinizerthere's flasher tool on windows as well12:54
Choomthat said I only run windows at home12:54
Choomlinux is for VMs12:54
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crashanddieX-Fade, if I remember correctly, in Amsterdam, some Nokia big cheese said "Nokia has embraced FOSS because it makes sense"12:54
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X-Fadecrashanddie: Sure, for the os platform development. But for the user it is just a shiny ui thing.12:55
crashanddieX-Fade, well, Qt Creator works nicely on multiple platforms, I don't see why the flasher wouldn't.12:55
* MohammadAG ends discussion and writes a front-end for flasher-3.512:55
X-Fadecrashanddie: I'm all for that.12:56
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, it does, it just needs a Qt UI12:56
X-FadeMohammadAG: I think Jaffa did that in the 770 days already? :)12:56
crashanddiebut it wasn't as foolproof as the windows GUI flasher12:56
DocScrutinizerstill the comment on is WRONG12:56
DocScrutinizer(if the users complaining about it are right)12:57
MohammadAGcrashanddie, afaik, the Windows UI sets the device in flashing mode itself12:57
crashanddiebut then again, "If you design something idiot-proof, someone will make a better idiot."12:57
MohammadAGhow it does that is beyond me12:57
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DocScrutinizeradmittedly it earned some fix in the way it now says "do NOT boot between the flashes" but honestly, not even I am sure how to guarantee that12:57
MohammadAGprobably just reboots the device12:58 is a TLD? cool12:58
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Better now?12:59
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, wrap a wire around the battery, attached to a brick dangling outside the window, use a photodiode to detect light emissions from the screen, which controls a actuator that pushes the brick off the edge of the window in case light emission is detected12:59
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: mompls , need an IMEI :-S12:59
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, 4901542032375112:59
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: thnx13:00
crashanddiethat probably won't work13:00
crashanddieit's the example IMEI from wikipedia13:00
DocScrutinizerNOT VALID13:00
DocScrutinizerthnx again :-S13:00
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kerioDocScrutinizer: 133713371337133713:00
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: not happy at all13:03
DocScrutinizerNOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes.13:03
DocScrutinizerooh sorry13:03
DocScrutinizerlet me reread13:04
crashanddiekerio, 0xA 0xBAD 0xBABE 0xFEED 0xFACE 0xBEDDED 0xDEED with 0xDECAF into 0xFADED 0xDEFACED 0xFACADE13:04
DocScrutinizerok, yes13:04
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: many thanks :-)13:04
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DocScrutinizerfine :-D13:06
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* DocScrutinizer wonders idly how to install a token for permanent access to the download page13:09
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DocScrutinizerthis IMEI shit is a pita13:10
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: How ofter would you need to access it anyway? :)13:10
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Just download everything and keep it locally?13:10
DocScrutinizeryeah, that's what I thought the first time I had to go there13:10
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dnearyDocScrutinizerExercise: write a shell script to find all words containing only the letters ABCDEFOIS in /etc/dict13:11
DocScrutinizermeanwhile I'm pondering scriots to automate flashing, incl download of most recent img via wget, and it isn't exactly easy to implement :-P13:12
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Sure it is, just POST the imei direcly to the download link of the file.13:12
DocScrutinizerdneary: what for?13:12
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: It is just a html form, it is not hard :)13:12
dnearyDocScrutinizer: You seemed to be looking for hex words13:12
DocScrutinizeryeah, prolly not. Just I'm no HTML dude13:13
dnearyDocScrutinizer: Just did it...13:13
DocScrutinizerdneary: me? wasn't that kerio?13:13
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dnearyYeah - kerio, crashanddie too13:13
DocScrutinizerdneary: I only said 0xCOFFEE after kerio spammed me with that13:14
dnearyHe is 0x0B5E55ED13:14
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dnearygrep '^[abcdefois]\{1,\}$' /usr/share/dict/word13:14
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DocScrutinizeryeah, it's easy13:15
crashanddieois <-- weak13:15
dnearyAnd s/1/any number you want to increase min word length13:15
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dnearycrashanddie, Drop em then13:15
dnearyWhich number is Z?13:15
dnearyO=0, I=1, S=513:16
dnearyAh, no13:16
dnearyThat's weaker13:16
dnearyThat's like using 4 instead of H13:16
DocScrutinizerdneary: you can even use that cmdline tool I miss the name of until my coffee is finally ready and ingested, to substitute s/5 o/0 etc13:16
dnearyThe longest ones are EFFACED, DEFACED,  ACCEDED13:17
dnearyIt's a 0xFACADE13:18
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dneary(OK, this is clearly off topic now)13:18
kerioZ = 213:19
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dnearyjacekowski, deadbeef in't int' dicshunry13:20
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jacekowskidneary: woot?13:20
jacekowskienglish man13:20
jacekowskispeak english13:20
dnearyjacekowski, Oui monsieur13:20
kerioyou can combine any two 4-letter words into a 32-bit int13:21
crashanddie ▲13:21
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kerio▲ ▲13:22
dnearyjacekowski, deadbeef ∉ {Words in the english language}13:22
keriodid i do it right?13:22
dnearykerio, Really?13:22
jacekowskikerio: newfag13:22
jacekowskikerio: can't triforce13:22
dnearykerio, How about zero and four?13:22
dnearykerio, Which 32 bit word can you make out of them?13:23
dneary32 bit int, sorry13:23
dneary(I guess 40, if you're being a smartarse)13:23
keriodneary: i meant word as in "word with only abcdefoisz"13:23
kerioalso yeah, 40 :)13:23
kerioor 0413:23
crashanddiekerio, 01100110011011110110111101100010011000010111001013:24
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dnearykerio, Ah, so there was an unstated qualifier. That clears things up13:24
kerioand *i* am the smartarse?13:25
crashanddiedneary, bonus points if you manage to recite dearest creature in creation without stuttering when it's written in hex13:25
Khertan_Jaffa: but ... hum ... it s javascript ? does there are developpers which want to leave their language (c/c++/python/ruby/...) for this abomination ?13:27
crashanddiedneary, when's the last time you read it?
dnearycrashanddie, Never13:28
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crashanddiedneary, then please do, out loud, quite a tongue twister and humbler13:28
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DocScrutinizereh, I see you guys having fun while I prepared my 0xC0FFEE :-D13:28
JaffaKhertan_: No, the action code & expressions are JavaScript syntax (AFAIK); and you can call into methods/signals on Python & C++ objects.13:28
dnearycrashanddie, This verse doesn't make sense13:29
dnearyMade has not the sound of bade,13:29
dnearySay said, pay-paid, laid, but plaid.13:29
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crashanddiedneary, why not?13:31
crashanddieMaid has not the sound of baid, say sed, pai-paid, laid, but pled13:32
dnearyMade & bade have the same sound13:33
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dnearyAnd plaid is pronounced plade13:34
crashanddieor in phonetic: 'meid hez 'nat de 'saund ev 'baed, 'sei 'sed 'pei 'peid 'leid bet 'plaed13:34
dnearyas in "pladd"13:34
dnearyAnd doesn't rhyme with bade13:34
Khertan_Jaffa: so i've just to hope that they ll maintain qwidget in futur ... and not force to switch to that things for mobile13:34
crashanddiedneary, I'd write it in phonetic alphabet, sadly don't have the right keyboard with me13:35
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dnearycrashanddie, Cute13:36
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dnearyNever seen it before13:37
dnearyAnd some of the words have regional pronunciation variants13:37
dnearyLike book13:37
dnearyin Ireland, there are regions where book rhymes with luke13:37
dnearyAnd others where it rhymes with luck13:37
JaffaKhertan_: QWidget already performs badly on non-Maemo 5 systems in terms of integration.13:38
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Khertan_Jaffa: qml will be worse from what i see for portability !13:41
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Khertan_Jaffa: do one graphical interface by targetted plateform ... it s a giant back steip13:42
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fluxkhertan_, are you worried about fixed locations user in ui?13:44
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pexisupport for maemo?
crashanddiedneary, 'meɪd həz 'nɐt d̪ə 'saʊnd əv 'bæd13:44
dnearycrashanddie, if you say so :)13:45
crashanddiethat's not entirely correct though13:45
crashanddiecouldn't find the character for "d"13:45
crashanddie(it's a d with a little cross on top)13:45
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Khertan_flux: the problem is more the integration with the plateform13:48
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Khertan_flux: require to do a specific interface for each targetted plateform13:48
Khertan_where it was a advantage of Qt13:48
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Ex-OpesaHello. What is smart reflex? It is somehow related to power of CPU I think. But I would like to know more.13:50
fluxex-opesa, perhaps ti's website could be of help?13:52
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Ex-OpesaDon't tell me its this? :S
RobbieThe1st_Ex-Opesa: I'm wondering the same thing myself - It's some sort of underclocking mechanism, and it doesn't work too well with Power Kernel/OCing13:53
RobbieThe1st_I think it ignores the custom voltage profiles, at the very least13:53
Ex-OpesaI don't wan to OC any device. I just wanted to know "if" its for reducing power, etc then why it is disabled by Nokia in n900.13:54
RobbieThe1st_Because it can make things unstable13:54
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Khertan_Ex-Opesa: disabled as it seems unstable13:54
Ex-OpesaSIrs, its still unstable with latest firmware which is 20.x something?13:55
Ex-Opesamaemo 20.x I mean13:55
RobbieThe1st_You can enable it if you want; either: 1,it will work for you nicely. 2, it will give little errors and act like you've got glitched software, or 3, it'll just crash13:55
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RobbieThe1st_Honestly, it's going to depend on a per-chip basis; a better sample may work fine. A poorer one may not13:56
Ex-OpesaRobbieThe1st_, Ah! Okay then I will enable it and try.13:57
Ex-OpesaThank you Khertan_, RobbieThe1st_, flux.13:57
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RobbieThe1st_Be warned, however, that if you experience glitches, disable it - Don't complain about them13:58
Ex-OpesaOkay. I don't think I will be using nano or anything for editing files. I think QCPUFreq will do the job?13:59
RobbieThe1st_No clue. I just use vi14:00
JaffaKhertan_: Agreed, but I can see the advantages of QML - and Qt Designer 2.1's support for it is pretty damned ace.14:00
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Ex-OpesaRobbieThe1st_, Okay. What about main menu icons of applications? I have much applications installed and a folder to put them in would be nice. Is there any short program for this or I will have to go throught ?14:03
RobbieThe1st_It's in devel, maybe in extras as well14:04
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Ex-OpesaOh nice! Can you guide me through one more thing? Is there any program for SMB/Windows share mounting for maemo? Which will be permanent?14:04
Ex-OpesaThanks I will try wizard mounter. It got GUI. ^14:07
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crashanddieop in #git tried to ban a troll14:44
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crashanddiehe ended up making the channel invisible, invite only, and banning any user called #git14:44
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lcukso he tried to block someone and made a mistake, better than not trying at all :)14:45
crashanddiebut pretty funny still :)14:46
lcukyeah :D like at college14:46
lcukthere was proxy blocking software14:46
lcukand the admins managed to block everything with w in the url or something equally silly14:47
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crashanddieheh, same here14:54
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crashanddieAt college, the admins were pissed off we SSH'd to other boxes and bypassed the proxies14:54
crashanddieso they decided they'd block all SSH traffic14:54
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crashanddieand I do mean... ALL14:54
crashanddiethey spent about 2 weeks trying to get access to the firewalls again14:55
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flashnnowadays you proxy everything through port 80 anyway >:)14:56
flashnby default14:56
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marmoutetimeless_mbp: did you lunched ?15:03
timeless_mbpthanks :)15:04
timeless_mbpactually, i missed the cafeteria line and got a salad15:04
timeless_mbpso i was actually a minute late15:04
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* GAN900 wonders who keeps thumbing mwkn15:40
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alteregoYou? :P15:45
alteregoWhy, is there something up with mwkn?15:45
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Khertan_GAN900: thumb up or down ?15:50
Khertan_GAN900: i suspect some thumbs (up or down) are done by spam bot15:51
lardmanif anyone's bored, I could do with some help debugging why I can't decode an image from file while I can from the video stream (mBarcode)15:52
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lardmanvoid MaemoBarcodeWindow::OpenAndScanImage()  l51715:53
lardmanthe calls then go into here:
alteregonyurgh, snowing again15:55
lardmanis melting here from the looks of it15:55
lardmanstill cold though15:55
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crashanddielardman, are you sure your padding code is correct?15:57
crashanddieif(img.bytesPerLine() == bpp/8*img.width()){15:57
crashanddieint remainingBytes = img.bytesPerLine()-bpp/8*img.width();15:57
crashanddiewhile( ( padding*bpp/8 - remainingBytes) % 4)15:57
lardmanit works15:58
lardmanotherwise the image file generated later on would come out skewed15:58
crashanddiewhat if img.bytesPerLine() is < (bpp / 8 * img.width())15:58
lardmanit can't be15:58
tybolltnookla selling windows phones?15:58
tybolltanything to those rumours or just plain ol hogwash?15:58
crashanddiehogwash, I'd say15:58
tybolltthe russian bastard is apparently speculating at it15:59
HRH_H_Crabmaybe im missing something and someone can help, but there seems to be some really strange behaviour with the metadata tracker thing. i have some flacs which make up an album. the other day it was showing up fine in media player. since then ive formatted my mmc card to make way for android and when i copied them over they don't show up.15:59
HRH_H_Crabi can play them via the file browser,15:59
HRH_H_Craband if i make an m3u playlist that shows up in imported playlists,16:00
tybolltcrashie: Also... any news on next meego/maemo phone/hw?16:00
HRH_H_Crabbut its really strange how sometimes they work and sometimes they dont.16:00
HRH_H_Crabive tried tracker-processes -r / --hard-reset etc...16:00
crashanddietybollt, it'll be awesome, but too late16:00
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tybolltcrashanddie: ;-/16:01
crashanddielardman, how big (in resolution) is the image on disk compared with what you get from camera?16:01
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* alterego thinks gitorious is a bit screwy at the moment.16:01
lardmanit's bigger ~429x429 vs 400*24016:01
crashanddielardman, ok, but not significant -- I thought maybe timeout or something16:02
lardmanbut I've tried scaling to different resolutions before sending the buffer over and it didn't do anything16:02
lardmanIt's quite annoying as I'm grabbing the data saved in the decoder thread buffer and it can be read by zbarimg16:03
lardmanand it looks identical format-wise to that coming though the camera pipeline16:03
crashanddielardman, where exactly is the problem happening?16:03
alterego"Nokia employees destroy phones" - That sounds like a fun thread in the making16:03
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crashanddielardman, I mean, up to where do you see it behaving properly?16:03
lardmancrashanddie:  the problem is that no barcodes ever get decoded from file16:03
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lardmanah, well using the camera to look at a barcode image works fine16:04
crashanddielardman, but it seems to analyse the file as usual?16:04
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crashanddielardman, takes the same amount of time?16:04
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lardmanhard to tell16:04
crashanddietake a picture?16:04
lardmandecode process takes ~1/30s16:05
GAN900I'm sorry, but why shouldn't a thread title "N900 - Yes it sucks" be locked. . . .16:05
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jpinx-eeepcis there any way to turn off the phone functions and keep the OS running in the n900?16:05
lardmanjpinx-eeepc: flight mode?16:05
jpinx-eeepclardman: where do I find that in the menus?16:06
lardmanpower button menu16:06
lcuk"offline mode"16:06
jpinx-eeepc:) thanks16:06
lcukangry birds question (for tracy)16:07
lcukshe bought all the level packs (the adict she is)16:07
lcukbut cannot get past level 21 on the ui16:07
lcukhow does she activate the extra levels from 22-4516:07
lcuk(for instance, description for level pack 4 says 45 levels, but ui only shows first 21)16:07
ZogGsup sup16:08
nidOlcuk: scroll right?16:08
ZogGwhat you would say now?16:08
ZogGread whole thread.16:09
ZogGi mean all his first 3 posts16:09
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crashanddielardman, can you give me an example of the padding value?16:09
lcuknidO, nope, mouse press causes level to open and no scrolling mechanism or ui hints are there16:09
lardmanfor img.width()==429 and bpp=24 the padding value would be 3 pixels16:10
crashanddielardman, what's the img.bytesPerLine() value for that?16:11
DocScrutinizerZogG: looks cool16:11
lardmanthat's the stride16:11
lardmanQImage aligns each scanline of its buffer on 32bit boundaries16:12
ZogGDocScrutinizer that's the same thing i was talking about last time, you told it's useless =)16:12
crashanddielardman, English16:12
ZogGin soviet russian some people are got crazy =)16:12
lardmaneach line of the image starts on a 32bit boundary16:12
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ZogGthere is one guy who dicede to take 1% of all products that can contain data(cd, mp3, hdd and so on)16:13
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lardmanso if the length of the line is not a round number of 32bits, it jumps and starts the next line with a gap#16:13
DocScrutinizerZogG: it's useless if it just duplicates dbus-scripts. Now I read it tries to stay compatible to dbus-scripts (kinda) and offer superior functionality. That's a completely different story16:13
ZogGhe is head of the cinematographic organization and he was approved16:13
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crashanddielardman, I understood that, but you're getting img.bytesPerLine(), right?16:13
ZogGnow he wants 1% of smartphones from Nokia, HTC and Samsung =)16:14
lardmancrashanddie: yes, that includes the padding to make the line a multiple of 32bits16:14
ZogGDocScrutinizer told you it can do better i'm just too stupid to explain and understand, as never used cron and don't know it's scripting =)16:14
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ZogGRST38h, have you heard about Mihalkov?16:15
DocScrutinizerwel, the cron reference actually is the worst of it :-) it got nothing to do with cron16:15
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DocScrutinizerbut there are quite a flock of other oddly named apps :-D16:15
crashanddielardman, ok, thanks16:15
ZogGDocScrutinizer ooops i mean d-bus16:15
ZogGcronbus cofused me with it name )16:16
* ZogG is officially stupid now, go on laught at him16:16
crashanddielardman, so padding = 3, width = 429, and bpp = 24?16:16
lardmanfor a particular file that I was testing anyway16:17
crashanddieso bytesPerLine = (24 / 8) * 429 + 316:17
lardmanbytesPerLine is padded to the nearest 32bit multiple16:17
lardmanbut my padding is designed so that I pad a round number of pixels, so that I meet the requirement of QImage that the buffer stride be multiples of 32bits and also of the decoder that there be no gaps between lines16:18
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alteregoBloody annoying how QtNetwork hooks directly into icd :/16:23
alteregoEspecially when you're creating a local socket ..16:23
crashanddielardman, so at best you only pad by 4, right?16:24
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lcukre: angry birds problem, it appears tracy the angry bird never updated her system16:25
lcukie, problem sorted, she has a 135 levels to keep her occupied16:25
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lardmancrashanddie: depends on the bpp16:26
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lardmanbut yeah at best no padding, at worst something like 3 pixels16:26
pupnik  snes on archos @ 1ghz  :D16:27
crashanddielardman, well, yeah, at 32 bpp, you wouldn't actually pad ever16:27
tybolltis there a meego based lap- or net-book out there in the stores now? Otherwise why the hell are they launching meego adverts even prior to a finished product? :S16:27
crashanddielardman, and at 16bpp, you would either pad 2, or 0, and at 8bpp, you would pad 4 max16:28
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lardman3 max16:29
crashanddieyeah, sorry, meant "4 values of padding, [0-3]"16:29
lardmanit would be 3 padded pixels of 8 bits max16:29
* toresbe just dropped his N900 into a cup of coffee :(16:30
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crashanddielardman, but you always pad 8 bits16:30
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lardmanno, I pad by pixel, so each padding value has bpp bits16:30
lardmanbut yeah that's the general idea16:30
lardmanI think that code is fine tbh, the QImage which is saved later looks fine16:31
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lardmanit ends up with a black line on the far rhs if it's been padded16:31
lardmanas expected16:31
crashanddiesure, I was just double checking16:31
crashanddieI can't always tell the difference between a 2px line and a 3px one ;)16:31
lardmanno worries, good to have someone ask the questions and make sure I got it right :)16:32
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crashanddiefor (int i=0....16:33
crashanddie    for (int i=0...16:33
lardmanyeah should change the naming, but it probably doesn't matter16:33
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lardmanvalue isn't used and you can't override the loop iterator afaik16:35
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lardmanbut yes thanks for spotting the poor code16:35
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DocScrutinizertoresbe: IMMEDIATELY REMOVE BATTERY16:35
keriotoresbe: keep using it like a boss16:36
kerioespecially if it's burning your hand because of the coffee16:36
crashanddiewhat does img.constScanLine(i) do inmemcpy(pos, img.constScanLine(i), img.width()*bpp/8); //img.bytesPerLine()16:36
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lardmanthat's the pointer to the start of the data in a given scanline in a QImage16:38
lardmanso I iterate thought scanlines, memcpy them, pad if necessary, goto 1:16:38
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crashanddielardman, I don't get it16:40
crashanddiewell, the bug16:40
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lardmannor do I16:41
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crashanddiecould it be in analyseImage()16:41
lardmanI think not, the data going in is the same format, not really anything to go wrong16:41
lardmanbut really I'm open to any thoughts16:42
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crashanddielardman, how big is the DMTX thread buffer?16:42
lardmanbig enough16:43
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lardmanthough yes I should add a check in there to prevent too much data being written to it16:43
lardman800x480x32bpp in fact16:43
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DocScrutinizertoresbe: if you want to keep your N900, instead of binning it, you MUST remove the battery, thoroughly shake out all fluid, KEEP BATTERY REMOVED (don't insert to try if device works!), then - depending if the coffee was with shugar and|or milk, or if it was black pure coffee - either dry the N900 for AT LEAST 2 WEEKS in a dry warm place (PC fan), or even take it to service (or do that yourself) so they disassemble the device and CLEAN and16:44
DocScrutinizerdry it (milk and sugar won't ever dry properly, you need to rinse the PCB and kbd etc)16:44
crashanddieI had an american beer fall over my macbook pro about one week after I bought it16:45
crashanddieI just held the laptop on the side (while running) for a bit, never had any issues16:45
pupnikclose enough to water eh?16:45
crashanddiepupnik, distilled :D16:46
lcukcrashanddie, not unusual, american beer is so much like water it wouldnt corrode things16:46
* lcuk types slower than pupnik 16:46
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crashanddielardman, sorry, I don't see anything obvious, your code seems sane... Did you run it through a real debugger?16:46
pupnikit was a set-up joke, lcuk16:46
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lardmancrashanddie: it doesn't crash, it's just that it doesn't detect a barcode in an image that I know can be decoded16:47
crashanddieI got that16:47
crashanddiebut you should be able to profile your threads in a way to discover where the "decisions" start changing16:47
lardmanI guess I'll have to do some debugging of the decoder threads, which is a pita16:47
RST38hevening, lardman, pupnik, lcuk, crash16:48
RST38hDoc too16:48
toresbeDocScrutinizer: I cleansed it out with water. I'm going to go over it with isopropanol. I also immediately removed the battery, rinsed it with water, and dried it off.16:48
lardmanhi RST38h16:48
RST38hAnything I have missed since this morning?16:48
MohammadAGaww, my phone operator (or whatever they're called) thought about replacing the phone lines just to fuck with me16:48
RST38hAny Qt-on-WP7 annuoncements? =)16:48
pupnikhey not really16:48
lardmancrashanddie: ok, I'd hoped you'd spot something glaringly obvious, but alas no, I shall get debugging16:48
MohammadAG7 damn hours16:48
lardmancrashanddie: thanks for looking :)16:48
crashanddieanyway, lardman, after trying to debug some image handling code, I'll now go debug VoIP handling code16:49
RST38hMohammadAG: Wait until someone comes to replace the plumbing. You will remember the phone people with affection16:49
* MohammadAG wonders how to put two lists in a QMaemo5ValueButton16:49
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DocScrutinizertoresbe: don't work sloppy on the drying part. It NEEDS weeks to dry, and you'll break the device if you insert battery too early16:49
lardmancrashanddie: reduction of 1D, should be easier ;)16:49
MohammadAGalterego, any chances you know how? :P16:49
MohammadAGRST38h, lol16:49
alteregoMohammadAG: answering your question yesterday, I'm cleaning it up now and will package and upload tomorrow.16:49
crashanddielardman, nha, this is way worse than 1D16:49
alteregoMohammadAG: what do you mean two lists?16:50
MohammadAGand my question today? :P16:50
alteregoDo you mean multiple lists like the time selector?16:50
crashanddielardman, we have multi-synchronised conferences (people who join a conference at moment t() + x need to hear everything a tiny bit accelerated so they can be in synch within y seconds)16:50
MohammadAGQMaemo5ListPickSelector or whatever it is16:50
SpeedEvilweeks to dry or a day or so at 60C. But, make sure it's actually at 60C, much more can damage, much less may risk it not drying16:50
toresbeI'm still going over it with isopropanol to clean the PCBs..16:51
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SpeedEvilfair enough16:54
MohammadAGalterego, by the end of next year, I might have all of hildon in Qt :P
DocScrutinizeriso will also dilute the water, so drying will be faster. But again: don't gamble! electrolytic corrosion is nasty16:54
hahlois diablo still newest for  n8x0? any debian or community releases?16:54
MohammadAGI just need to make two lists16:54
lardmancrashanddie: hmm, sounds fun :)16:54
alteregoMohammadAG: you're going to need to subclass some pick selector and implement it yourself.16:54
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that doesn't sound right. one QMaemo5ListPickSelector can only handle one list16:54
MohammadAGalterego, sigh, why can't I just include three layouts each with a selector :/16:54
MohammadAG(and the last with a QDialogButtonBox)16:55
alteregoTry it16:55
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MohammadAGI doubt the QMaemo5ValueButton will get the values from the two pick selectors16:56
* DocScrutinizer in vain tries to imagine what's the design causing the problem16:57
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tybollt< crashanddie> I had an american beer fall over my ...17:01
tybolltcrashanddie: you openly ADMIT to drinking that stuff? :)17:01
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: moin17:02
RST38hmoorning javispedro17:03
alteregoMohammadAG: funnily enough I'm trying to hack QMaemo5ValueButton right now as well ;)17:03
crashanddietybollt, well... I didn't buy it?17:03
alteregoBut I'm trying to make the text blue when you don't use a pick selector.17:03
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alteregoIt's proving to be a bit of a bitch ..17:07
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* alterego gives up17:12
* lardman too17:12
* lardman also has to reboot to do some MATLAB17:15
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RST38hMATLAB: The Operating System !17:15
Choomis there a syslog in maemo?17:17
Choomor better yet17:17
Choomwhere do syslog messages go in maemo?17:18
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dnearyX-Fade, I think I have a solution17:24
dnearyX-Fade, If you can update the CSS again...17:25
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Choomjavispedro: thanks17:27
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PaulyN900hi  eedd help17:30
tybolltcrashanddie: =)17:31
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mikki-kunwhat makes you n900 way faster? ahh yeah dsl 50 k :D17:32
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GAN900dneary, did you break Planet?17:36
dnearyGAN900, That's a funny question...17:36
dnearyGAN900, Could you elaborate, please?17:36
dnearyStart with when, then what.17:37
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SpeedEvil'One of you in this room killed Planet'17:37
SpeedEvil(in a belgian accent)17:37
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dnearySpeedEvil, That would be "zis"17:38
dnearyGAN900, So - what I'm getting at: are you referring to changes made last week, or today?17:38
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tybolltone of you in zis ruum killed ze planet17:39
GAN900dneary, the stylesheets went a little wonky a few days ago.17:41
dnearyGAN900, Then you should force a reload of CSS today17:41
dnearySee if it's better for you17:41
dnearyGAN900, But yes, I did that17:41
dnearyBased on bug #1009317:41
povbotBug Horizontal lines after level 1-2 headings in wiki.maemo.org17:41
dnearyI was merely the agent of Tim Samoff's recommendation17:42
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dnearyPlanet & news wonkiness was a side-effect of making the wiki better17:42
GAN900Damn Tim17:42
dnearyRead the bug report17:42
dnearyit's worth it17:42
povbotBug 10093: Horizontal lines after level 1-2 headings in wiki.maemo.org17:42
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dnearyI've basically reverted everything to where it was pre-wonkiness today, but only committed a few minutes ago, so the CSS isn't deployed yet17:43
Venemohey guys17:44
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helloerswhat to do with the n900 pulled a micro-sd connector?:Q17:50
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javispedromicroUSB, I think you mean :)17:55
Venemohelloers: that seems like a microusb, not microsd17:55
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Venemohelloers: take it to a repair centre if you have warranty. if not, then you're screwed17:55
helloersah yes17:56
helloersits micro-usb;d17:56
SpeedEvilOn a related matter.17:56
SpeedEvilI have a n900 bought from november before last.17:56
SpeedEvilI note that now, they say 'warranty 32 years' on the order page.17:56
SpeedEvilDoes anyone happen to recall if orders last year were also 2 years, or 117:57
SpeedEvil2 years, not 317:57
nidOtheyre 217:57
nidOnokia eu warranty has been 2 years for a long time17:57
mikki-kun32 years warranty is pretty long17:57
kerio0xFF years of warranty17:58
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kerioyour grandson will be able to get assistance!17:58
keriohell, make that grandgrandson17:58
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* SpeedEvil at the moment lacks a cloning chamber, or other required items for that.17:58
kerioSpeedEvil: hmm... a girlfriend?17:59
lcuki think a cloning chamber perhaps has better odds of happening17:59
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PaulyN900hi i need help18:09
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PaulyN900i have ext usb mouse and it works and everything but browsing with microb the mouse cursor goes away18:10
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nzehi, how can i display the saved wifi passwords?18:10
nzei know there's a command for that but i cant find that bloody thread..18:11
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mikki-kunmouse cursor is the packages name i think18:16
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mikki-kuni am checking :)18:16
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mikki-kunxorg-evdev-mouse seems the packages name... i am not really sure though with it's name18:19
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mikki-kunbut i guess it servers what you are searchin for :)18:19
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TukekeXc0re, xD18:56
Xc0rehola chamo18:56
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Tukekeque fue18:57
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Xc0reque hay, mi paná?18:57
Tukeketodo bien llave18:57
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alteregoERM ..19:07
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* alterego contemplates integrating lirc with tv listings19:13
alteregoOr I could actually stop being a lazy bitch and build my media PC ..19:14
lbtalterego: I just ordered an acer aspire19:15
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alteregoActually, I've been working on my own system :P19:15
alteregoWith a QML based interface.19:16
nidOI just bought a sony blu-ray player, does everything I woulda really wanted from a media pc and cost way less19:16
lbtnidO: rofl19:16
nidOwhat :(19:16
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kerionidO: hahaha19:21
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DocScrutinizerd-link DIR-615... fun19:23
kerionidO: wait, are you serious?19:24
kerioi didn't know sony blu-ray players did bittorrent19:24
kerioor encoding19:24
kerioor internet19:25
DocScrutinizerevery bluray does internet afaik19:25
DocScrutinizerpart of specs19:25
keriowhat internet?19:25
keriowill it do hulu?19:25
DocScrutinizerno hoolahoola19:26
nidOmy nas machine does my torrents and encoding, the blu-ray player plays it all, and as DocScrutinizer says, all blu-ray players have internet connection capability19:26
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kerionidO: does it have vlc and mplayer?19:26
nidOand I live in the UK so hulu isnt much of an option, but yeah it does do iplayer, lovefilm (uk version of netflix) and catchup services for most other channels19:26
nidOwhy would it need vlc or mplayer specifically, its' own software plays practically every media format under the sun19:27
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keriodoes it read zmbv?19:27
keriovlc does19:28
nidOI dont have the slightest idea, and as I have no zmbv content I also couldnt give the slightest bit of a toss19:28
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trbsDoes anybody else have problems with incoming audio in skype on the n900 ?19:44
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* RST38h does not quite understand: if there IS a Flash Player 10.0 from TI's website, why are all these lemmings still raving about the lack of it?19:50
alteregoI don't know, but a thread of something like 1.7k messages on flash 10 just shows how bad the community has gone :)19:50
RST38hThat is not community's fault.19:51
RST38hAnyone at Google causing that much sorrow to Android users would have been gone long ago19:51
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pupnika community needs something to be hysterical about19:55
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pupnikor shall we say about 50% of every community does19:55
pupnikthey'll find something :D19:56
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javispedroRST38h: TI is still refusing to give it to lemmings. Not to mention that some still believe the existence of the "hardware accelerated Flash 10.1"20:08
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javispedroTMO should call those Anonymous guys and DDoS TMO itself because they won't give flash to TMO!20:10
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jacekowskijavispedro: there is hardware accelerated flash 10.120:22
jacekowskijavispedro: but not for arm20:22
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jacekowskiRST38h: flash on ti website is a beta version and you have to request it and they have to approve that request and it's not so easy20:22
jacekowskiRST38h: and it's worthless20:22
MohammadAGwhat's the best VM software for linux?20:23
SpeedEviluse hardware flash accelleration under qemu20:23
MohammadAGwine is a lost cause sometimes20:23
jacekowskiMohammadAG: depends20:23
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: vmware/virtualbox/kvm/kqemu/20:23
jacekowskivirtualbox is probably most userfriendlyu20:23
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jacekowskijust don't use opensource version20:24
javispedrojacekowski: I know, and only since recently for Linux (re "hw accelerated" flash)20:24
jacekowskionly on x8620:24
pupnikyoutube is working better now with html520:25
jacekowskinot all videos are on html5 player20:25
pupnika higher percentage now20:25
MohammadAGdoes HTML5 work in FF?20:26
kerioon firefox4, yeah20:26
keriobut the webm videos are even less than the h264 videos20:26
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: in opera20:32
jacekowskiopera ftw20:32
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kerioopera suxxxxx20:33
jacekowskiopera is faster20:33
jacekowskihas more features20:33
jacekowskiuses less memory20:33
MohammadAGjacekowski, I hate opera20:34
javispedrofor a change, I'm just going to say I hate HTML5.20:34
MohammadAGused it when I was a kid20:34
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MohammadAGjavispedro, and you like flash right?20:38
keriohehe, where's that browser chart...20:39
javispedroat least I can purge Flash from my browser.20:40
alteregoWhat the freak20:40
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MohammadAGlol javispedro20:40
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DokterWjacekowski: Does Opera have addons like: HTTPS-Everywhere, PolicyRequest, SiteLauncher?20:40
kerioDokterW: not to mention firesheep20:41
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DokterWthat is the one reason I have hard time ditching Fx, some of the add-ons.20:41
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jacekowskiDokterW: yes, yes, and yes20:42
DokterWbut, do you get Opera only as a web browser, without the extra, email, rss reader, etc? :p20:43
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DokterWdoes it still have the bittorrent client built-in to it?20:43
javispedrodoes it matter if it has a thousand of unwanted features if it manages to implement them in less space than a competitor's does just for plain browsing?20:44
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javispedroNot being an Opera fan, but if it has an email client AND it keeps disk footprint below that of Firefox, ftw.20:44
javispedrodisk footprint + memory usage + etc.20:45
jacekowskiDokterW: yes it does20:45
jacekowskiDokterW: and it's still lighter than firefox with no addons20:45
pupnikheh 'it's bloated!'20:45
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DokterWI still prefer that they did what mozilla did, provide a stand-alone browser. it might have a small impact on the system footprint as it's already small, but it will make the settings window less cluttered. But that's just a personal preference of mine. :)20:47
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jacekowskijavispedro: and you have opera link ( synchronisation of notes/bookmarks/history/speed dial/search engines/content blocking rules ), opera unite, opera turbo20:48
jacekowskiDokterW: opera settings windows is simpler than firefox settings20:48
jacekowskiand support for porn mode tabs + normal tabs at same time20:48
jacekowskibuiltin irc/email/rss20:49
jacekowskiand torrent20:49
DokterWI have an irc, email, torrent and rss client. Don't need more, that I don't use. :)20:49
DokterWBut Opera for mobile devices is really awesome tho.20:50
korhojoaI've used opera on my E61, and it beats the hell out of the standard browser20:51
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MohammadAGalterego, :D20:51
korhojoai've also used it on a 9300i and the n900 :320:51
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alteregoMohammadAG: don't expect it to be particularly stable.20:54
* MohammadAG shrugs20:54
alteregoIt's still very much in development, but I figured I should release _something_ :)20:54
MohammadAGalterego, is it FOSS?20:54
* MohammadAG facepalms20:54
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* MohammadAG looks at mirror20:54
MohammadAGit says free idiot20:54
jacekowskikorhojoa: and it can sync with desktop browser20:56
korhojoajacekowski, yes, the new versions do, the ones i used to use didn't20:57
jacekowskialterego: what does it do?20:57
jacekowskijust stuff?20:57
jacekowskior cool stuff as well?20:57
alteregoIt's biggest features at the moment are probably the NMEA streaming to file, network, bluetooth serial or usb serial.20:58
pupnik  << cellular automata on archos / angstrom20:58
MohammadAGjacekowski, the dishes :P20:58
alteregoWhen using it as a usb serial device and GS2 is chose, it disables pnatd then reenables it afterwards.20:58
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korhojoai just sent in my n900 today to get the microusb fixed :|21:00
jacekowskihow does it get data?21:03
jacekowskivia location api or directly from rapuyama21:04
alteregolocation api21:05
alteregoQt mobility to be exact21:05
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alteregoIt has an easy to use interface for writing more data formatters so it's trivial to add support for other output formats.21:05
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DokterWDo you guys know if there is a plan to port thunderbird to the n900?21:05
alteregoAnd there's a plugin interface, though that currently is disabled as all the plugins I've wrote are statically linked.21:05
alteregoWell, effectively statically link. They're hard coded in at the moment.21:05
* javispedro smells of gpsd21:06
ioanthere is a n900 on craigslist here for $150, "The only thing is the charger portal doesnt work.", is that the broken usb port problem?21:06
wmaroneioan: probably21:06
jacekowskiioan: yes21:06
jacekowskiioan: but that is warranty thing21:06
jacekowskiioan: and they should fix it if21:06
alteregojavispedro: yeah, but its' not a daemon :P21:06
jacekowskiioan: unless it's us version that has shorter varranty21:07
jacekowskiand only in US21:07
ioanwmarone: how hard is to fix it? and the seller said its still in warranty... but he doesn't want to take care of it because he uses another phone21:07
jacekowskiioan: is it US version?21:07
jacekowskithen it's out of warranty21:07
wmaroneuse the warranty, it's generally not manually repairable21:07
nidOit may not be in warranty then21:07
wmaronejacekowski: how long is the US warranty?21:07
jacekowski1 year21:07
jacekowskiand they fixed that problem long time ago21:08
jacekowskionly phones older than year have problem with usb port21:08
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MohammadAGalterego, err, libqt4?21:10
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alteregoMohammadAG: say what?21:10
alteregoOh, deps are fucked?21:10
MohammadAGDepends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libqt4, libqt4-maemo5, libqtm-systeminfo, libqtm-location <-- libqt4 doesn't exist21:10
alteregoIt doesn't?21:10
MohammadAGand shlibs should do all that21:11
MohammadAGyou don't need any deps other than ${shlibs:Depends}21:11
* MohammadAG fixed it locally :P21:11
ioanis the n900 warranty transferable?21:12
MohammadAGkewl, segfault (cc alterego :P)21:13
MohammadAGSet bt to on, close the dialog, open it again and set it to off21:13
jacekowskiioan: what do you mean?21:13
jacekowskiioan: it's bound to device21:13
jacekowskiioan: where are you?21:13
ioanin US, next to eugene (where the ad is)21:14
alteregoMohammadAG: I did a massive refactoring today and some things might have broken :P21:14
pupniknice area ioan21:14
Venemo_N900hey guys21:15
Venemo_N900what's up MohammadAG?21:15
MohammadAGalterego, I already gave you step by step instructions, you should've noticed the bug :P21:15
ioanjacekowski: I'll make sure that the phone is still in warranty and I'll buy it :-)21:15
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ioanjacekowski: yeah, oregon is nice21:16
pupnikjacekowski: any improvements to the speakers in newer phones?21:16
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jacekowskii don't know21:16
jacekowskii never had problems with it on mine21:17
alteregoHrm, I thought I fixed that bug MohammadAG I can see where it's segfaulting ;)21:17
MohammadAGalterego, I'm awesome at pointing out others' faults aren't I? :P21:18
MohammadAGnow if only I could do the same for myself21:18
ioanpupnik: yeah, oregon is nice (<---- was for you)21:18
lcukMohammadAG, have 2 user accounts ;)21:19
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MohammadAGlcuk, making a virtual machine :P21:20
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alteregoMohammadAG: I'm gonna stick it into gitorious soon if you're interested ;)21:21
MohammadAGdamn thing needs a key, /me forgot21:21
MohammadAGalterego, already got the source and had a look at it :P21:21
MohammadAGalterego, maybe we can do a mohammediaplayer merge so it can tag where you listened to tracks21:21
alteregoSure, but that'll only be as up-to-date as my packaging :)21:21
alteregoOkay, fixed :)21:23
GeneralAntillesKhertan_: Down, seems to be one most weeks.21:26
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alteregoMohammadAG: uploaded the fixed version now (0.8.2)21:27
alteregoShould be building soon.21:27
MohammadAGalterego, already beat you to it, :P21:28
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MohammadAGnothing much Venemo_N900 (just noticed the message)21:28
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alteregoYou fixed the segfault? :P21:29
MohammadAGalterego, can I practice that?21:30
MohammadAGalterego, just point me at the file, wanna have a look and see if I can find it21:30
alteregoMohammadAG: the segfault isn't a good example.21:30
alteregoBut I can tell you if you like, but you probably wont get it at all ..21:30
MohammadAGalterego, just point me to the file :P21:30
MohammadAGencouraging :P21:31
alteregoSeriously though, it's an odd one and I don't think you'll get it :P21:31
alteregoIt's in the destructor21:31
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crashanddie_alterego: link?21:33
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alteregoTo what?21:33
crashanddie_alterego: that cpp file21:33
alteregoThe source isn't online ..21:33
alteregoI can upload it if you want :)21:33
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crashanddie_just show me the destructor in question21:34
MohammadAGjust a sec21:34
crashanddie_i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play21:34
MohammadAGyou nulled it?21:35
MohammadAGit's here somewhere         sdp_record_free(d->record);21:35
MohammadAG        d->record = NULL;21:35
alteregoYes, that's exactly right.21:36
alteregoI don't need to free it aparently.21:36
alteregosdp_record_free causes the segfault :)21:36
javispedrohey, it's cheating21:37
alteregoSo, remove that line fixes the problem.21:37
jacekowskiand causes memleak21:37
javispedrothe file you sent to crashanddie doesn't have sdp_record_Free21:37
alteregoWhat is?21:37
MohammadAG<alterego> Seriously though, it's an odd one and I don't think you'll get it :P <-- second thoughts?21:37
alteregojavispedro: oh, crap, that's the fixed version ..21:37
jacekowskialterego: removing free21:37
crashanddie_me was like "damn, I'm shit at this"21:37
alteregojacekowski: I'm checking, but I think sdp_record_unregister does it.21:38
jacekowskilet valgrind check it21:38
javispedrovalgrind, arm, and qt?21:38
alteregoYeah, I should probably learn to valgrind ..21:38
crashanddie_jacekowski++: when in doubt -- valgrind21:38
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crashanddie_javispedro: well, valgrind works on x86 as well, and so does Qt21:39
alteregoDon't have to run it on the N900 jacekowski21:39
javispedrocrashanddie_: touché.21:39
javispedrobeing bt stuff..21:39
jacekowskijavispedro: you can test it on x8621:39
alteregos/jacekowski/javispedro/ :)21:39
alteregoBut it does work on ARM as well :P21:39
jacekowskibesides, there is arm version of valgrind21:39
crashanddie_anyway, me goes back to hacking the foss media player21:39
jacekowskiit's early beta21:39
jacekowskibut it's there21:39
javispedrojacekowski: exactly (beta). it does weird things with qt.21:40
alteregoYeah, see :)21:41
alteregoNo memory leak.21:41
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alteregoThough I'm sure there are somewhere else.21:41
alteregoSo I should probably lrn2valgrind21:41
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MohammadAGso wait, do I have to delete something after no longer using it?21:43
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korhojoapoll: how many of you use irc while pooping?21:43
alteregoMohammadAG: yes, unless someone else does it for you, like in that slightly annoying case :)21:43
alteregokorhojoa: I do21:44
lcukkorhojoa, dont ask such private questions21:44
* korhojoa is doing that right now. best use of time ever21:44
lcukps, will someone pass me the loo roll.21:44
javispedroMohammadAG: this is a way longer explanation.21:44
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* alterego has run out of loo roll21:44
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MohammadAGcrap, I'm out too21:46
alteregoAnymore bugs you can find? :)21:47
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* MohammadAG looks at app again21:48
MohammadAGalterego, do you use two layouts for portrait and landscape mdoe?21:48
alteregoOne QBoxLayout and I change the layout mode21:48
* MohammadAG needs that for the mediaplayer then21:49
MohammadAGright now I use two layouts and update both21:49
lcukalterego, but you have 2 backgrounds21:49
* MohammadAG was asking about widgets :P21:49
lcukand how would you do it in qml21:49
lcukMohammadAG, widgets have backgrounds too21:50
MohammadAGlcuk, that's Qt21:50
alteregolcuk: specifically, what? :)21:50
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lcukalterego, landscape/portrait layout21:50
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alteregoGood question,21:50
lcukwell its been a regular question21:51
lcukand something I still havent heard a good answer for21:51
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alteregoSomething like what I do there and my layout there, is quite complicated to do in QML, not sure where I'd start.21:51
alteregoI'll think about it and get back to you :D21:52
lcukalterego, heh, not you specifically but if you have a reasonable suggestion it would be good to have it documented21:54
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alteregoWell, I am pushing QML myself :)21:55
alteregoIt's very app specific though.21:56
ioanwhat's a good website for torrent search?21:56
lcukalterego, yup and if you can translate that experience to consider how other apps would work it would be good :)21:56
lcukioan, google afaik21:56
alteregoIf you look at my app there, I've clearly created a two column layout in landscape, that when in portrait they get turned into a single column,21:56
lcukthough why the MPAA hasn't chased after them, IDK21:56
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alteregoSometimes by removing an unimportant item to make it fit properly.21:57
ioanlcuk :-)21:57
alteregoSo actually, I think I can knock something up quite easily, I'll do an example of sort of what I'm doing in my app in QML.21:57
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* timeless_mbp sighs22:10
timeless_mbpso... i'm usin gmy n90022:10
timeless_mbps/n gm/ng m/22:10
infobottimeless_mbp meant: so... i'm using my n90022:10
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timeless_mbpand i open conversations, click on a conversation with someone, and click on a message i sent22:11
timeless_mbpi see:22:11
timeless_mbp"SMS -- sent"22:11
timeless_mbpSent by me22:11
timeless_mbp 7:35pm22:11
timeless_mbp<what I wrote>22:11
timeless_mbp[ Delete ] [ Copy ] [ Forward ]22:11
timeless_mbpguess what I *don't* see here?22:11
alteregodelivery report?22:12
timeless_mbpno, it was delivered22:12
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timeless_mbpalterego: in a conversation, how many parties do you usually have?22:13
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timeless_mbpalterego: ok, so how many are visible in this view?22:13
SpeedEvilUndo would be a completely killer app22:13
* javispedro curses22:13
alteregotimeless_mbp: the destination?22:13
timeless_mbpalterego: ayup22:13
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jaskarollback reality!22:13
javispedrooh, why the hell thought DataViz that moving to Qt would be a good idea?22:13
Pradeepalterego you are truly the man please do hv a blog on n90022:14
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alteregoPradeep: ?22:14
alteregoPradeep: oh, you got your networking working? :)22:14
Pradeeplol man thnx alot22:14
Pradeepyea man i did22:14
alteregoCool, :)22:14
Pradeepi even flashed my phone to the new update using the .bin file and also the flasher installed on my ubuntu22:15
Venemohey guys :)22:15
alteregoCool, well I'm glad you got everything sorted :D22:15
Pradeepbut truly did not see any difference22:16
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ioanthere is a way to undo an email sent by mistake... say that you want to send a pic of you weewee to your wife... and ends up to you mother in law because they have the same name... and you realize that just after you clicked send. for this, there is a Undo (no jking)22:16
lcukioan, don;t worry, your MIL won;t be able to find the magnifier icon :P22:16
MohammadAGhey Venemo22:17
lcukerr ' '22:17
Venemohi MohammadAG :)22:17
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ioanyou send another 200 emails with the same subject but just random garbage in the body... and then you sent another email "hey, I have a virus, lots of emails went out, please don't open them"22:18
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alteregoMohammadAG, Venemo:
alteregoCan you both validate that its' working well enough for me to promote to testing?22:20
alteregoBasically, I'll update -devel to latest version as I add more features.22:20
alteregoThen when I'm happy with the state of that version I'll promote to testing, then once I get to v1.0 I'll push to extras.22:20
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Venemoalterego: will test22:20
alteregoThanks :)22:20
Venemoso you finally decided to make it FOSS?22:21
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alteregoVenemo: it was always gonna be FOSS, we all knew it :P22:22
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alteregoI should put a (donations welcome) clause in the tmo post :D22:23
Venemoalterego: no, I expected you to make it a €10 app in Ovi22:23
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alteregoI was taking too long developing the features.22:24
alteregoand it's still not "complete" in my eyes. And I just wanted to put it out there to see what people think of it.22:24
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Venemoalterego: why is the compass constantly rotating?22:25
Venemomy N900 is on Fake's stand, the compass should be still22:25
alteregoBecause you're not moving and I've not but in a limit22:25
MohammadAGcause you're standing still :P22:25
SpeedEvilVenemo: there is no hardware compass.22:25
infobotalterego meant: Because you're not moving and I've not put in a limit22:25
SpeedEvilVenemo: Unless you add one22:25
VenemoSpeedEvil: there is a compass in alterego's app, that's what I'm talking about22:26
lcukwhat happens if i press this button.22:26
Venemowhich button lcuk?22:26
* javispedro sighs22:26
alteregoVenemo: I know, but GPS, because it isn't 100% accurate, the error causes it to think you're moving slightly even when you're not.22:26
javispedroso today I just experienced the bug I discovered while browsing through qtmaemo source yesterday22:26
MohammadAGlcuk, javispedro sighs22:27
javispedroJust quickly tap Open then New on any DataViz app22:27
alteregoAnd it's that error that is causing the GPS receiver to think you're changing direction, which causes my compass to report that error.22:27
javispedroresult = unkillable open file dialog22:27
Venemoalterego: oh. understandable22:27
SpeedEvilVenemo: There is no actual hardware compass.22:27
VenemoSpeedEvil: I know22:27
SpeedEvilVenemo: Adding an actual hardware compass is quite possible, but I'm not aware of anyone that's fone it22:27
VenemoSpeedEvil: as I told you already, I'm talking about a compass-shaped GUI in alterego's app.22:27
Venemoalterego: the app is very nice22:28
SpeedEvilGPS compass is not ideal as it's based on changes in movement22:28
SpeedEvilAnd this bounces around even when stationary22:28
Venemoalterego: I didn't notice any obvious bugs, but will try it tomorrow when I'll have a trip22:28
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Venemoalterego: will report how it went :)22:28
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* MohammadAG cries22:29
javispedroso how do I kill the unkillable, unparented, non transient file open dialog now22:29
alteregoVenemo: the track view screen, when the log gets very large noticeably lags. I've yet to optimize it.22:29
alteregoSo the track view is basically WIP at the moment ;)22:29
Venemoalterego: it won't get very large, I assure you22:30
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Venemoalterego: I'm only afraid that constant GPS usage'll drain my battery22:30
alteregoWell, let me know what you think then :)22:30
alteregoVenemo: it's the UI that drains power :D22:30
SpeedEvilalterego: even when blanked?22:30
alteregoAnd my app is quite good when blanked.22:30
Venemookay alterego :)22:31
VenemoI'll report about that one too22:31
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alteregoSpeedEvil: no, I put in provisions for screenlock and task switching.22:31
alteregoIt disconnects UI when blanked/backgrounded.22:32
alteregoBut logging and streaming still works.22:33
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alteregoObviously :)22:33
alteregoI tested the GPS bluetooth support with an N810 :)22:34
alteregoSo my N900 was acting as a BT GPS for the N81022:34
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Ex-OpesaAnyone know any application which can be used for NX sessions?22:35
Ex-OpesaNX is alternative to VNC.22:35
Ex-OpesaIn short. I want to ask if NX Client is available for maemo or not.22:35
javispedroclients? many22:36
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javispedroqtnx is one iirc22:36
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infobot[iirc] "if I recall correctly"22:36
Ex-OpesaGreat abbreviation which I never heard before.22:37
javispedrouseful :)22:37
RST38hhell, what does "ircii" mean then???22:37
luke-jrircii is a client IIRC22:38
Ex-Opesajavispedro, yeah22:38
luke-jrEx-Opesa: NX is an ugly hack compared to VNC22:38
lcukluke-jr, do you like anything?22:38
javispedroluke-jr: VNC is sadly too simple.22:38
luke-jrlcuk: Tonal ☺22:38
luke-jrjavispedro: true enough22:38
luke-jrpersonally, I want Qt-over-X11 :P22:39
Ex-Opesaluke-jr, well..I can't use VNC as I don't got monitor on my server.22:39
Ex-Opesaluke-jr, So I gotta stay with NX22:39
lcukluke-jr, "Tonal (mythology), a concept appearing in the belief systems and traditions of Mesoamerican cultures, involving a spiritual link between a person and an animal" ?22:39
luke-jrEx-Opesa: VNC doesn't use a monitor22:40
luke-jrlcuk: wtf?22:40
lcuki searched22:40
lcukand wikipedia came up with that22:40
* javispedro hasn't yet killed the unkillable open file dialog22:40
crashanddie_FYI: Under OSX, DO NOT cancel the update process of Nokia Qt Creator22:41
crashanddie_it will delete the whole _current_ install22:41
lcuklol luke-jr22:41
Ex-Opesaluke-jr. Well afaik. It does require a X session. Which can only be created with NX/monitor connected22:41
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luke-jrEx-Opesa: nonsense22:41
luke-jrEx-Opesa: vncserver spawns an Xvnc server22:41
lcuki was gonna say what was he smoking, but since the numbers mention multiples og bong its pretty clear22:41
infobotlcuk meant: i was gonna say what was he smoking, but since the numbers mention multiples of bong its pretty clear22:41
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luke-jrHappy new year, btw22:42
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TheOnedoes anybody know whether it is possible to get some local maps of london city for n900 ?22:44
luke-jromg I just heard the news22:44
lcuk? TheOne should be22:44
luke-jrNokia has dropped MeeGo for Win7 Mobile⁇22:44
TheOnelcuk: do you know where and how?22:44
* javispedro ponders where luke-jr gets his news from22:45
crashanddie_luke-jr: rumors22:45
crashanddie_luke-jr: and pretty misinformed, too22:45
TheOneor some app names that i can search for22:45
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Venemoluke-jr: do you believe that?22:45
nox-TheOne, cloudgps?22:45
Pradeepalterego, you there22:45
Pradeepalterego: wats new man on maemo22:46
TheOnehi nox- ;)22:46
lcukTheOne, hm hold on I have some old instrucitons22:46
nox-moin TheOne :)22:46
luke-jrjavispedro: #mer22:46
trumeeis anybody using freeswitch for voip?22:46
luke-jrVenemo: no22:46
lcukbut just opening the map and letting it download should just work?22:46
Pradeepi had a serious argument on facebook today22:46
Venemoluke-jr: me neither22:46
luke-jrtrumee: I am for work, unforunately.22:46
Pradeepconcerning n8 and n90022:46
lcukTheOne, open maps, let it connect to data, see yourself on map?22:47
crashanddie_Pradeep: you lost the game22:47
trumeeluke-jr: Listen to this
crashanddie_for having an argument on facebook22:47
TheOnei want some local stuff that works without 3g connection22:47
Pradeepi wish java works on n90022:47
nox-TheOne, also if that is a about the default mapping app see here:
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VenemoPradeep: what argument was that?22:47
lcukTheOne, ahh22:47
lcukyou want the cache22:47
luke-jrtrumee: why22:47
Pradeepit is better than n90022:47
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VenemoPradeep: depends on use cases and personal preference22:48
trumeeluke-jr: because that is the response i get if i check voicemail22:48
Pradeepi noticed that windows users dont no how much n900 can do22:48
VenemoPradeep: for me, I doubt Symbian's UI can match Maemo's22:48
luke-jrtrumee: I don't use any FS voicemail stuff22:48
trumeeluke-jr: i have another user over at #freeswitch with the same problem.22:48
luke-jrtrumee: only for IVRs22:48
Pradeepyes it cant22:48
TheOneyes i dont want to pay expensive roaming fees22:48
Pradeepsomeone mention android22:48
luke-jrAndroid is better than Maemo22:49
Pradeepbut did not mention much on that22:49
Venemoandroid is a pile of crap22:49
trumeeluke-jr: what do you use for sip calls, * ?22:49
Ex-OpesaPradeep, are you Pradeep Saha?22:49
nox-TheOne, see my link :)22:49
Pradeepnope am not22:49
Ex-OpesaNever mind then.22:49
lcuknox-, ta, was just hunting for that link22:49
luke-jrtrumee: for humans, yes22:50
Pradeepluke-jr: why did you say android is better than maemo22:50
luke-jrPradeep: it's slightly more open22:50
trumeeluke-jr: hmm. ok.22:50
Pradeepin wat way22:50
luke-jrPradeep: MeeGo is better than Android, note22:50
Pradeepnever used though heard it is still buggy22:51
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TheOnenox-: sounds good - do you know if i can do routing without 3g connection and local map cache?22:52
Pradeepi mean the meego22:52
nox-TheOne, i havent tried22:52
TheOnethere is mention that the search need 3g22:52
TheOnebut nothing about the routing22:53
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nox-well i guess searching includes routing...22:53
nox-maybe you can get an uk prepaid sim?22:54
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Pradeephow do you auto complete a user name on xchat using n90022:56
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Pradeepcos it is so diffcult having to type all d way22:56
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nox-ctrl-i ?22:57
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SpeedEvilPradeep: I rebound it to ctrl-rightarrow22:58
weeeedari too miss a tab-button, how to auto complete in the terminal? :/22:58
SpeedEvilIt's ctrl-space I think22:58
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DocScrutinizerwhatever is mapped to nick-completion in key-shortcuts settings23:00
DocScrutinizer51Pradeep: I for example have it on shift-space. While up and down do scroll here23:01
Ex-OpesaIn Application Manager of maemo I can NOT find qtnx while using apt-get I can install it. Is it normal?23:01
DocScrutinizer51rather convenient23:02
Ex-Opesaextras-testing doesn't appear in application manager?23:02
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javispedroEx-Opesa: wrong packaging seemingly23:03
PradeepDocScrutinizer51, urs worked23:03
DocScrutinizer51it's about category of an app if it appears in HAM23:03
Pradeepanyone using facebook chat here pls how did u do it23:06
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luke-jrPradeep: add it as an account23:07
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Pradeephmmm tried it some many time23:12
Pradeepsome told me abt facebrick but it is not in my repo23:12
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luke-jrPradeep: PR1.2+ supports it out of the box23:14
Ex-OpesaDocScrutinizer51 definitely not in application manager. I use "All".23:14
DocScrutinizerEx-Opesa: there's a 'user' tag for pkgs and only those are shown23:15
Ex-OpesaDocScrutinizer51 Can you please elaborate?23:16
DocScrutinizerask somebody more familiar with packaging. I'm just telling what I heard23:17
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Ex-OpesaDocScrutinizer51 Can you please elaborate23:17
Ex-OpesaDocScrutinizer51 Okay thank you.23:18
Ex-OpesaNevermind the 1st sentence. It was a mistake. ^^23:18
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comawhiteovi maps is always telling me "constantly saying "Looking for your GPS position""23:21
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DocScrutinizer51comawhite: ovi maps tries only 60sec to get a fix, then GPS is powered down I heard. Allegedly placing ovi maps to background and back restarts that23:31
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nox-hm maybe you could also run location test in parallel to keep gps up?23:32
DocScrutinizer51location test app is probably best to get GPS to work23:32
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Pradeepmaemo can do all there i wonder whst meego would be like23:33
DocScrutinizer51meego on N900 will never reach maturity of maemo23:34
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comawhiteremember I have no SIM card23:34
comawhiteand no service provider except lan23:34
nox-yeah then gps may take quite long to get a first fix23:34
DocScrutinizer51that's your problem with GPS then23:34
Ex-OpesaAny one tried qtnx here?23:34
comawhitedockane, other n900 users say i only need sim for agps23:35
comawhiteoops DocScrutinizer23:35
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DocScrutinizer51yes, but without A the GPS can take ages for first fix23:36
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PradeepDocScrutinizer51, why did you say so abt meego and n90023:36
DocScrutinizer51you definitely need location test app23:36
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comawhiteDocScrutinizer, how i get it?23:37
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DocScrutinizer51install with HAM. Probably from maemo-devel23:38
comawhiteblah haze is being a bitch23:38
comawhiteim bout to flash my phone because the seller didn't do it23:39
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weeeedari would expect meego to become as mature on n900 as it will be on nokias stock meego devices23:40
Ex-OpesaAre there any working cleint of NX in maemo?..23:40
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Pradeepcomawhite, did mine yesterday i mean flashed it with flasher 3.5 and global .bin file23:40
comawhitei have to go look on the site on how to flash and what not23:41
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comawhitegotta call my bro and see if he will send me the money to buy phone service23:41
luke-jrweeeedar: there is no reason to expect that23:41
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DocScrutinizer51weeeedar: how that? Nokia wonmt develop closed drivers for N900 meego, but they will for genuine meego devices23:42
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PradeepDocScrutinizer51,  tot meego was also open source23:44
DocScrutinizer51check again. some parts never will be open23:44
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Pradeepwhat about maemo?23:45
DocScrutinizer51e.g. battery management23:45
Pradeepare you saying meego is nokia's OS23:45
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PradeepDocScrutinizer51,  huh?23:46
weeeedaris there no way to use maemos drivers for meego?23:47
DocScrutinizer51I'm saying on maemo we got a somewhat working dialer and batterycharging and whatnot. Samew ill be on genuine meego devices. but Nokia already announced they won't do some parts OSS23:48
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Venemoweeeedar: if you ask on #meego you'll notice that the drivers for most of the components are working23:51
Venemoweeeedar: some of them are not OSS. one of this is the battery manager software and the graphics chip. the latter is not Nokia's so it's not in their power to decide23:51
PradeepVenemo, on n900 u mean?23:52
VenemoPradeep: yes.23:52
Venemoyou can ask Stskeeps about it on #meego if you wanna know the exact state of this23:52
luke-jrI thought MeeGo had a new SGX 3D driver?23:53
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weeeedari  somewhere read meego is being developed on n900, thought that would mean we will at leats get the drivers :/23:53
luke-jrand BME is effectively replaced23:53
Venemoluke-jr: it has. but it is closed source23:53
luke-jrVenemo: ImgTec isn't going to change that any time soon23:54
Venemoluke-jr: yeah.23:54
luke-jrand the kernel part (at least for Maemo) is open23:54
Venemowell about MeeGo facts, ask #meego23:54
DocScrutinizer51also some of the foss drivers are "from upstream" and way worse than those used in maemo23:54
VenemoDocScrutinizer51: interesting23:54
luke-jrweeeedar: also note that N900's bootloader is locked, nobody knows how to root/unlock it, and it onyl allows 1 kernel23:55
luke-jrand Maemo and MeeGo cannot use the same kernels23:55
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luke-jrso running both is basically impossible without hacks23:55
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: like I said, without hacks23:56
luke-jrSpeedEvil: and IIRC kexec doesn't quite work right23:56
Pradeepso meego is so closed source23:56
wmaroneno, it's not.23:56
luke-jrPradeep: yes23:56
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luke-jrPradeep: at least, MeeGo for N90023:56
luke-jrand MeeGo for any other handheld23:56
Pradeepbut built on linux23:56
Pradeepi it funny23:56
luke-jrsince there is no such thing as a handheld with free 3D drivers23:57
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luke-jrPradeep: pretty sure 2D works fine ☺23:57
piggz_that was weird, my mail stopped working on the n900, and when i debugged it, it said my /home filesystem  was readonly.  a reboot has sorted it, probably by running a fsck, but it has ruined my uptime!23:57
VenemoPradeep: MeeGo is open. _some_ drivers are closed.23:57
VenemoPradeep: also note that MeeGo is more open than Maemo23:58
luke-jrVenemo: for MeeGo to be open, 100% of its components must be open23:58
Venemopiggz_: lol23:58
weeeedari already stumbled across that 3d issue today, will mplayer on n900 ever be able to use the gpu? :/23:58
luke-jrweeeedar: that's not a 3D issue23:58
luke-jrmplayer doesn't use 3D23:58
wmaroneluke-jr: and last I checked they are. The closed bits are not part of MeeGo.23:58
luke-jrthat's a DSP issue23:58

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