IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-12-18

iluminator101i am surprised i cant play MP3 audio (audio/mpeg) in n900 why???00:00
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DocScrutinizeriluminator101: yeah why? tell us! what's the problem?00:01
Venemoiluminator101: you should be able to.00:02
iluminator101i am trying to listen to mp3 (audio/mpeg) it says its unsupported but it plays other mp3 not this one00:02
DocScrutinizerwhat's the meaning of "mp3 (audio/mpeg)"?00:03
DocScrutinizeror... what's the actual name of the file?00:03
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DocScrutinizerhow do you try to playback it?00:03
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iluminator101media player says audio codec unsupported??/00:05
DocScrutinizer(/me recalls this secretary that, when asked how she converted these *.doc to *.pdf, answered "well, I renamed them" :-P)00:05
iluminator101how do i find out what exactly this file is00:05
SiceloDocScrutinizer: :P :D00:06
crashanddie_DocScrutinizer: I had a screenshot of a PDF pasted in a word document, because word had the "Email to" option00:06
DocScrutinizerno idea, send a big thanks letter to Nokia00:06
iluminator101thanks for being helpful00:06
DocScrutinizeriluminator101: don't start bitching, it's not our fault00:07
DocScrutinizerif you know the song's name, you might find a file *somewhere* on your storage with a somewhat similar name00:07
Siceloilluminator101: in command line, type /file your_file.mp3/00:07
DocScrutinizerSicelo: he doesn't know where your_file.mp3 is and what's the name00:08
iluminator101if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem00:08
DocScrutinizeriluminator101: you start to be part of the bitching crowd of lemmings00:09
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Venemoiluminator101: can you play this file on your desktop?00:11
DocScrutinizerVenemo: : he doesn't know where your_file.mp3 is and what's the name00:11
iluminator101venemo on vlc i can00:12
Venemoiluminator101: try to open that file with some converter then and convert it to regular mp300:12
Venemoiluminator101: I've got no other ideas00:12
iluminator101thanks Venemo00:13
DocScrutinizeror, if he knows (he must know to playback with vlc) then he refuses to answer my questions, and that clearly disqualifies him, if the bitching didn't already00:13
DocScrutinizeractually Sicelo's answer was the best one, but it's a timesink to try and help unresponsive lusers00:14
VenemoDocScrutinizer: do you feel like testing a little app?00:15
DocScrutinizerjust feel pissed about phototranslator's abyssmal "take photo" function00:16
Venemoit is a puzzle game00:16
DocScrutinizerso something "better" might be welcome, if it runs on 1.200:16
Venemoshould work on 1.2, but you might have to compile it for yourself00:17
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DocScrutinizernah, can't be arsed to do that now00:17
VenemoI can give you a .deb, it should work00:18
DocScrutinizersure, go ahead00:18
Venemoit doesn't need anything that's not in 1.200:18
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DocScrutinizerpaste the URL, so I can click it :-D00:18
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: (couldn't find a better place)00:20
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pupnikwell looks like the TSA is now in Canada00:20
pupnik< Sketch> i just went to the airport in canada a couple of weeks ago with one of those screwdriver bit set (in pieces) and they wouldn't let me keep it.00:20
VenemoDocScrutinizer: it hides the extension (idiotic MS crap), but the _1.0.0_armel one is the .deb00:20
VenemoDocScrutinizer: there's also a .tar.gz00:21
Venemoyes, that's it00:22
DocScrutinizerstill I get "ERROR\nWindows Live SkyDrive"00:22
Venemook, wait a minute00:23
DocScrutinizercouldn't you name it a bit saner, maybe without ^00:23
DocScrutinizermight help00:23
Venemoit doesn't have ^00:23
DocScrutinizeractually, so where came that from in my c&p??00:24
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Venemodunno, probably MS made it crap00:24
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DocScrutinizer*sigh*, seems I need to use wget and dl it... :-S00:25
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DocScrutinizerno idea which mimetype it has00:25
Venemotrying to uplad it to FTP, but it seems that doesn't work right now :S00:26
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DocScrutinizer60k "text/html" ?00:27
DocScrutinizerI bet that's a crappy download-page link, not a proper URL pointing to the file00:28
Venemoyou're right00:28
Venemomy web host changed its name servers and none of the domains there have been directed to the new ones00:28
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Venemowhy don't you just click on the dl link in the browser and dl it?00:29
DocScrutinizerjust because it's easier to click THAT^^^ link00:29
DocScrutinizerforget it00:30
Venemodid you succeed?00:30
DocScrutinizerinstallation not possible: missing: libqt4-*foo*bar00:30
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Venemowhat is foo and bar?00:30
DocScrutinizeralso libqtm-sensors00:30
Venemoyou don't have any of libqt4?00:31
Venemoyou should have them00:31
Venemojust 4.600:31
Venemowhich is binary compatible with 4.7...00:32
DocScrutinizerbut you're rdepending on >=4.7.0-git73573783487514785234636604674500:32
VenemoI'll make you a version that depends on 4.600:32
Venemobut it'll be less fun without libqtm-sensors00:33
Venemowhy don't you upgrade to 1.3?00:33
DocScrutinizerthere's no way back00:33
DocScrutinizerand? if anything I *need* doesn't work anymore as expected under 1.3 then I'm screwed00:34
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DocScrutinizerotoh 1.3 has nothing I *need* right now00:35
Venemomkay, no worries00:35
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Venemothe DNS of my domain is directed to the new name servers, but still I get a "not found" when I try to access it from a browser00:37
SpeedEvilyou have to wait for it to proagate00:37
iluminator101venemo this is the file type  Audio file with ID3 version 2.3.0, contains: RAR archive data, v14, os: Win3200:37
VenemoRAR archive data? interesting00:37
VenemoSpeedEvil: but I can ping it00:38
VenemoSpeedEvil: pinging it goes to the correct IP00:38
SpeedEvilVenemo: url?00:38
VenemoSpeedEvil: http://venemo.net00:38
SpeedEvilI get a IIS 40400:39
VenemoSpeedEvil: it gives a generic IIS 404, yes00:39
DocScrutinizerRAR isn't mp3 though, is it?00:39
iluminator101its an mp3 but more details says  Audio file with ID3 version 2.3.0, contains: RAR archive data, v14, os: Win3200:39
VenemoSpeedEvil: meaning the hosting guy screwed something up00:39
SpeedEvilso there is a webserver at that address, which doesn't know it's supposed to be serving for that name00:39
SpeedEvilI think00:39
VenemoSpeedEvil: yeah, but I added the domain to the control panel, so it whould work...00:39
DocScrutinizerif it were a true mp3 (not sth somebody renamed to .mp3) then it would be playable00:40
DocScrutinizeriluminator101: there's a package codecs-extra or similar, in any of the repositories00:41
VenemoDocScrutinizer: btw what do you use on 1.2 that you're not sure if it works on 1.3?00:42
DocScrutinizeryou could install and try to playback, it might know how to deal with that format00:42
iluminator101DocScrutinizer, I have that00:42
DocScrutinizerquite some bits. e.g. the fix for NK-enter vs proper <CR>, in xterm00:43
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DocScrutinizeriluminator101: it's some weird file format, not really a *.mp300:44
VenemoDocScrutinizer: what does this mean?00:44
VenemoDocScrutinizer: I mean, NK enter vs <CR> ?00:44
DocScrutinizerVenemo: this means with that lib installed I can hit the CR button on N900 to fire a less /search00:45
VenemoDocScrutinizer: by CR you mean the enter button, right?00:45
DocScrutinizerand several other cmdline programs that don't really work with this nonsensical NumericKeaypad-Eneter00:45
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DocScrutinizeryay, Numeric-Keypad-Enter00:46
VenemoDocScrutinizer: why not simply remap it in the X keymap?00:46
DocScrutinizerbecause that doesn't work00:46
VenemoDocScrutinizer: :(00:46
VenemoDocScrutinizer: for my usecase, remapping works fine. I can input all of the Hungarian accented characters with Fn key combos00:47
VenemoDocScrutinizer: I'm building you a "DocScrutinizer Edition" of the app :P00:47
DocScrutinizerbut generally speaking I don't bother to look into my crystal ball to tell which app or lib or bugfix will break on pr1.300:48
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Venemowhat is the MIME type for .deb?00:51
VenemoDoc, it works now00:52
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PhonicUKbtw hi everyone :)00:52
VenemoPhonicUK: good evening :)00:52
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PhonicUKbtw while I'm about, can anyone help me with a PR 1.3 problem?00:53
VenemoDocScrutinizer: I removed the libqtm dependency, plus linked against libqt4 (>=4.6.0)00:53
PhonicUKthe Wifi is misbehaving, for some reason it can't seem to get an IP address00:53
PhonicUKbut everything else on the wireless is fine00:53
VenemoPhonicUK: isn't it a router-related problem?00:53
PhonicUKnope, the router is fine00:53
VenemoDocScrutinizer: try the link, tell me if it is still misbehaving00:54
PhonicUKit hands out an IP to anything else, and before I updated to 1.3 the phone was fine too00:54
DocScrutinizerstill the same00:54
PhonicUKbut after i reflashed, it refuses to behave00:54
VenemoDocScrutinizer: naaah. no way00:54
PhonicUKAndroid on the same device can connect too00:54
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VenemoPhonicUK: is this error specific to a wireless, or your N900 fails to receive an IP on any wireless?00:55
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PhonicUKnot sure, not got any other networks to try with00:55
DocScrutinizerVenemo: please set a marker in packet description, so I can tell it actually uses the downloaded version and not any cached one00:55
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: a marker?00:56
VenemoDocScrutinizer: no, I screwed it up.00:56
DocScrutinizera short notice, a remark, a typo, whatever00:56
Venemothis is shit00:59
VenemoI wrote to my control file libqt4-dev (>= 4.6.0)00:59
DocScrutinizeryeah, commonly known shit :-D00:59
Venemoand if I unpack the .deb, it is 4.7.0.......00:59
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DocScrutinizer9 out of 10 apps can't install with these incompatible dependencies now01:00
Venemoyes, but why does the build system cheat me?01:00
DocScrutinizerno idea01:00
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DocScrutinizerI seem to remember X-Fade tought me the buildhost tries to always find the lowest compatible version of a dependency. MAybe that's borked. Or the 4.6 version isn't compatible to your source01:01
Venemoit is.01:02
PhonicUKit was my router being retarded01:02
DocScrutinizeralso do you actually build on buildhost?01:02
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DocScrutinizeror locally?01:02
VenemoDocScrutinizer: nope, I build with madde on wincrap, but if it fails, I'll boot into Linux and try there01:03
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Venemoscratchbox's dpkg-buildpackage is a bit smarter than madde's01:03
DocScrutinizeraah yes, quite possible01:04
Venemoisn't there an option in dpkg to skip the dependency check?01:04
DocScrutinizerno idea01:04
DocScrutinizerI installed via HAM anyway01:04
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i have builder made on same scripts01:04
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: and it's installing using apt and therefore latest version01:04
jacekowskiVenemo: yes01:04
jacekowskiVenemo: --force-all01:05
lardmanbloody segfaults01:05
lardmangrumble, grumble01:05
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: try this with dpkg --force-depends or --force-all01:07
VenemoDocScrutinizer: that way we'll se if they're really binary compatible01:09
VenemoDocScrutinizer: btw you can install Qt 4.7 on PR 1.201:10
MohammadAGthey aren't01:10
MohammadAGPSFreedom fails to load on 1.201:11
Venemoshouldn't you be sleeping?01:11
MohammadAGwoke up01:11
MohammadAGthought it was 6, apparently it's 101:11
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VenemoI made a Puzzle Master version specifically for Doc01:12
MohammadAG4.7 binaries don't work on 4.601:12
Venemoremoved the qt mobility parts from it and specified >= 4.6.0 in the control file for qt01:12
Venemoapparently, my build system cheats and it puts >= 4.7 there regardless01:12
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: if you add the SDK repo on your device, you'll be able to install qt 4.7 from there. don't install anything else from there though.01:13
MohammadAGcause the libraries are 4.7.101:13
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VenemoMohammadAG: how can I select the 1.2 target in madde?01:13
MohammadAGyou need to downgrade i tnink01:14
Venemogah, the update removed the pr12 target! this is nonsense.01:14
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: does it work with --force?01:15
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MohammadAGin reality, it expects you upgraded :P01:16
MohammadAGthe deb deps don't matter01:16
MohammadAGit'll say something about failing to load a lib01:16
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Venemowill madde 0.6.72 build for pr1.2?01:16
MohammadAGprobably not01:16
Venemowhy not?01:16
MohammadAGdo a01:17
Venemoit is a quite old version01:17
* lardman feels immense relief at having fixed segfault, even though he doesn't quite understand how or why01:17
MohammadAGmad apt-get install libqt4-dev=4.6.2 or whatever the version was01:17
VenemoMohammadAG: there's no apt in madde.01:17
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GAN900Why are there no FOSS retail solutions that don't suck. . . .01:18
Venemoit would be great if DocScrutinizer would actually tell us what the result was01:18
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GAN900DocScrutinizer sucks.01:20
GAN900Wait, what result?01:20
Venemoif he is able to install that package with --force-depends or not01:21
DocScrutinizerresult: collapse on load game, no tab-expansion in shell on puz<tab> and Puz<tab>, so no further info01:21
AranelMohammadAG: just wanted to say: your mediaplayer replacement looks awesome :) I hope to see it working.01:21
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MohammadAGLOL back to this01:21
VenemoDocScrutinizer: well then MohammadAG was right.01:22
MohammadAGAranel, thanks :D01:22
spiritdAranel which one?01:22
VenemoDocScrutinizer: it is located in /opt/puzzle-master/01:22
MohammadAGVenemo, i think he's complaining it's not in $PATH01:22
spiritdsend me some screenshots :)01:22
DocScrutinizerVenemo: please read backscroll01:22
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: I read it, interesting01:23
Aranelspiritd: that one:
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: does the /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master binary exist?01:23
DocScrutinizerno idea01:23
Venemocould you please check it?01:23
DocScrutinizerdo you need to know?01:23
Aranelspiritd: It's open-source and already supports portait mode it seems. Even dreaming about the possibilities makes me happy :)01:24
VenemoDocScrutinizer: ok, never mind01:24
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ll /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master01:24
DocScrutinizer-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 615687 2010-12-18 00:03 /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master01:24
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what happens when you run that?01:24
Ken-YoungDoes anyone know of a way to export the list of Internet Radio Stations from the Maemo 5 media player as, for example, an ASCII file?01:25
DocScrutinizerthe same?01:25
DocScrutinizeraaaah, you ask me to tell you what results my arsing around with invoking binaries from shell that aren't ever meant to get invoked that way will give? :-P01:26
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Venemook, never mind01:27
DocScrutinizer/opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master: symbol lookup error: /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master: undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii01:27
Venemonice! :D01:27
MohammadAGthat's the error i get/got01:27
MohammadAG(when running 4.7 bins with 4.6.2 libs)01:28
Venemoso it seems that binaries linked to 4.6 will run on 4.7, but it won't work in the opposite direction01:28
DocScrutinizerVenemo: I won't do that another time. Include a symlink from /usr/bin/puzzle to /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master01:28
MohammadAGit's x86/64 all over again01:29
MohammadAGno wait...01:29
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: ok, don't worry. I'll make a binary for you that's linked against 4.601:29
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, do symlinks take some kbs?01:29
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DocScrutinizerthey take exactly one block01:29
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DocScrutinizerif your linked path isn't like 700chars01:30
VenemoDocScrutinizer: so you're saying that I should make a symlink to /usr/bin?01:31
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MohammadAGluckily I had a shell script for hen :P01:31
MohammadAGotherwise you would've killed me01:31
SpeedEvilThey don't take one block - they take one directory entry.01:31
VenemoDocScrutinizer: will 'ln -s /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master /usr/bin/' in the postinst do the trick?01:32
* MohammadAG wonders if DocScrutinizer noticed that /usr/bin/hostmode is a shell script and not a symlink01:32
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: one inode, no?01:32
MohammadAGyes Venemo01:32
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I noticed that01:32
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SpeedEvilI realised as I wrote that that I don't actually know if they're stored in the directory inode01:32
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I even watched when it got suggested to do it that way01:33
SpeedEvilI thought they took up space in df -i - but not in df01:33
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, aren't symlinks better?01:33
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DocScrutinizerdon't ask me on what. Maybe on your mod on day of creation01:34
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SpeedEvilyeah - ln -s jfkjfd fdkjdkjf01:35
DocScrutinizergenerally a script will add a useless process, unless you do something useful in script (then it's not useless), or you do exec (then there's no new process)01:35
SpeedEvildf -i goes down by one, df doesn't change01:35
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alteregoSay I'm writing a contact web front end, if I use an evolution backend to store contact information, would it be easy at a later date to integrated MS Outlook/Exchange?01:35
alterego~integrate ..01:35
DocScrutinizera shell script works on fs that don't know links (FAT?), but also is slower and eats more memory01:36
DocScrutinizerpossibly lots more01:36
DocScrutinizermem, not storage01:37
SpeedEvilIt's quite light on busybox01:37
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SpeedEvilBut FAT doesn't do executables01:37
SpeedEviltypically on maemo01:37
DocScrutinizerit could01:37
VenemoDocScrutinizer: here you go:
Venemoit also makes a symlink for you01:38
DocScrutinizerso deb it or HAM it?01:38
DocScrutinizeri.e. do I need --force-foo?01:38
SpeedEvilThat connection stalls out01:38
Venemowhatever works. this is now linked against 4.601:38
SpeedEvillocal net issues01:38
Venemoyou shouldn't need force01:38
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DocScrutinizerso clicking the link should be fine :-)01:39
Venemoyes, it should01:39
* MohammadAG stabs HAM01:39
VenemoDocScrutinizer: I don't have another N900 with 1.2 to test it on, but unpacking the deb now tells it needs 4.6.2, and it works on my 1.3 N90001:40
DocScrutinizermissing: libqtm-sensors01:40
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Venemono way01:40
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SpeedEvildpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of puzzle-master:01:41
SpeedEvil puzzle-master depends on libqtm-sensors; however:01:41
SpeedEvil  Package libqtm-sensors is not installed.01:41
Venemohow the hell did that slip in there?01:41
VenemoI'll do one more try01:42
DocScrutinizerVenemo: yeah, it's getting more nice every time01:42
DocScrutinizer""#include mathlib //it could be useful eventually""01:44
Venemoshould be totally pr1.2-proof now01:45
DocScrutinizeractually, this comment was triggered by me thinking about loading libqtm-sensors on runtime, and check if that fails01:45
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Venemowell it doesn't acutally use that lib, just forgot to take out one more occurrence from the control file01:46
Venemoanyway, try the last link, that should be okay01:46
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* DocScrutinizer51 curses apt-worker01:47
Venemo~nuke apt-worker01:47
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at apt-worker ... B☢☢M!01:47
DocScrutinizer51HELL wonder if it ever finishes01:47
DocScrutinizer51YEAH, now try again01:48
MohammadAGkillall apt-worker fixes that for me01:49
MohammadAGthen i replaced it with a shell script01:49
DocScrutinizer51NICE :-)01:49
MohammadAGecho "fuck off HAM" = no more CPU usage01:49
Venemohmm... how interesting...
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* MohammadAG likes MeeGo again01:51
MohammadAGSGX makes it pleasant to use01:52
MohammadAGvideos rotate in meego01:52
VenemoDocScrutinizer: does the stuff work now? :)01:52
MohammadAGthough the samples were 240p :P01:52
DocScrutinizer51I ROCK!01:52
MohammadAGno, you scrutinize01:53
Venemoaccording to Puzzle Master, he rocks01:53
VenemoDocScrutinizer51: you can change the difficulty (puzzle size) in menu/settings if you get bored by the default one01:54
DocScrutinizer51Venemo: VERY nice01:54
Venemothx DocScrutinizer5101:54
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VenemoDocScrutinizer51: oh, and I left the accelerometer option in the settings ui, but it won't do anything for you since I removed the relevant code to make it work on 1.201:55
DocScrutinizer51Venemo: yes01:55
VenemoI play with 5×5 nowadays01:56
VenemoI guess the very difficult ones require the stylus01:57
* MohammadAG still tries to use multitouch01:57
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* Venemo was actually thinking about using the multitouch API for capable harware01:58
Venemohello Scor|01:58
* MohammadAG sends Venemo a Qt-less iPhone01:58
VenemoMohammadAG: nah. I'm talking about N8, C6, and E701:58
MohammadAGi know :P01:59
Scor|is this good place to ask question about usb networking between n900 and linux box ?01:59
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VenemoScor|: yes, it is01:59
VenemoScor|: what's your question?01:59
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Scor|i kinda worked it out already, but have some minor deails to polish01:59
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Scor|my linux box is a gentoo laptop, and on it i bridged eth0 and N900 together02:00
Scor|and on N900 itself i used guide from wiki.maemo.org02:00
VenemoScor|: I recommend using the application called Mad Developer on the N900. launch it and select "usb networking" then "unix network"02:00
Scor|oh, thanks, that should simplify some things02:01
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VenemoScor|: works with a single click, plus minimal setup on your desktop02:01
* MohammadAG needs to sleep02:01
VenemoMohammadAG: then go to sleep02:02
Venemogood night :)02:02
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VenemoDocScrutinizer51: should you ever want to try the accelerometer-enabled version, I think you may be able to update your libqt4 from the SDK repo02:02
Scor|Venemo: it works already, i just wanted to ask if it's possible to start usb0 using simple command like ifup when it's set to dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces02:02
lardmannight night all02:02
DocScrutinizer51Venemo: thanks. what will accel do?02:02
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VenemoScor|: oh, I dunno that, sorry02:03
MohammadAGVenemo, read me a story about open source vs closed source02:03
Scor|sure, no problem02:03
VenemoDocScrutinizer51: the pieces will drift as you tilt the N90002:03
VenemoMohammadAG: :)02:03
MohammadAGin a way that doesn't annoy you, but adds life to the game :P02:03
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Scor|Venemo: how can i install that "Mad Developer" app using apt ?02:04
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VenemoScor|: not sure which repo it's in02:05
Scor|extras, i got it in app manager02:05
VenemoScor|: 'apt-get install mad-developer' should do it02:05
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Scor|yup, it works :)02:06
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Scor|there should be some shearch function...02:06
VenemoMohammadAG: btw, DocScrutinizer's version is special. it contains in the package description, "This version is specifically built for the one and only DocScrutinizer!"02:06
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* Venemo wondered if DocScrutinizer51 would notice it :P02:07
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DocScrutinizer51I only checked the installs/problems tab :)02:08
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Venemohehe :)02:08
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Venemonah, I'll leave you alone guys, I gotta boot my Fedora and try
Venemowill be back in a few minutes02:09
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b-man`saw that this morning :)02:10
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b-man`if only i still had my N800, i kinda miss the 4" screen :(02:10
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Scorcererworks like a charm, thanks Venemo02:12
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Venemo_N900Scorcerer: umm, what?02:14
Scorcereroh, nvm :>02:14
Venemo_N900what works like a charm? :P02:15
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Scorcerermad developer + usb networking + bridged ifaces on gentoo :)02:16
Venemohey again folks02:16
VenemoScorcerer: oh, that was you :)02:16
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VenemoScorcerer: you're welcome02:16
VenemoDocScrutinizer: the solution was to download an old version of MADDE and use that to build the app for you02:18
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DocScrutinizer51eeeew, what a pain02:19
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Venemono problem02:19
DocScrutinizer51anyway been worth it :D02:19
DocScrutinizer51really nice02:20
DocScrutinizer51faces are simple02:20
Venemoafter the one with the newer version didn't work, it became a challenge for me. if I didn't solve it, I couldn't sleep :P02:20
DocScrutinizer51got 90s for 4*402:20
DocScrutinizer51now I'll segfault it :-P02:21
DocScrutinizer51yust an impossible puzzle from that mp402:21
Venemoit just won't open it02:22
DocScrutinizer51it did02:22
Venemoan mp4?02:22
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DocScrutinizer51allegedly even prepared02:22
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DocScrutinizer51all black though02:22
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VenemoQPixmap silently fails when it finds a format it can't handle02:23
VenemoI forgot to check it, so the game thinks that it is okay02:24
Venemoit will not segfault though :)02:24
DocScrutinizer51one thing02:24
DocScrutinizer51it should keep the "other..." pictures02:25
Venemogood idea02:26
DocScrutinizer51either that or directly open02:26
DocScrutinizer51anyway if it append to the local list, it should keep and have a way to delete from there02:26
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Venemoyeah, this is among the planned features02:27
Venemothe other one is a setting to change the background02:27
Venemothat way you can play with darker pictures without issue by setting a white background02:28
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DocScrutinizer51if you like to get fancy, you can build a histogram for the used colors02:29
DocScrutinizer51then auto tune background to complementary02:29
DocScrutinizer51or checkered02:29
DocScrutinizer51if no unused color02:30
Venemowas thinking about it, but I don't know of an easy way to do this02:30
DocScrutinizer51cmdline imgtools02:31
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DocScrutinizer51or steal from fcam02:33
jacekowskihmm, japan02:33
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Macerso objects within the universe can not travel faster than light but the universe can expand faster than the speed of light?02:36
Venemoyes Macer02:36
VenemoMacer: and the former is only true until the invention of FTL02:36
Macerso how are two objects moving away from one another each traveling at light speed not considered by each observer as traveling faster than light?02:37
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VenemoMacer: ask a philosopher02:37
Macerwouldn't they appear as traveling 2x the speed of light? :)02:37
Venemomaybe yes02:37
VenemoI haven't observed anything moving away from me FTL yet :P02:38
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Maceryou probably have ;) you just dont know it02:38
Maceri was more so curious about the universe not having an outer edge02:38
Macerodd concept02:39
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MohammadAGdamn sleepless nights02:39
Maceri think the best theory i heard was that our universe was actually the inside of an event horizon :)02:39
VenemoMohammadAG: just go sleep :P02:39
nox-Macer, you forgot time passes different near light speed...02:39
MohammadAGVenemo, i'm in bed02:40
Macerthere is no such thing as time :)02:40
VenemoMohammadAG: I couldn't sleep either while chatting on IRC :P02:40
* MohammadAG was offline02:41
Venemohm, sorry02:41
nox-Macer, in that case, speed becomes meaningless too :)02:41
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spiritdinstalling maemo sdk02:44
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spiritdis there some packet generator tool for maemo like hping, nemesis, packeth02:45
DocScrutinizerMacer: (FTL) you gave the answer: you just dont know it. I.E. that's the base of relativity theory. You are not observing anything absolute, ever. The info about location needs time to reach you, and your time isn't the time of the object moving02:48
spiritdwhere did you learne that? :D02:48
DocScrutinizeryou learn such things at school, no?02:49
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Termanagood morning02:55
MohammadAGaftermidnight Termana02:56
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: what to do if an N810 doesn't want to boot into flashing mode?03:04
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luke-jrVenemo: there is no flashing mode03:09
luke-jrjust power it off completely, remove power for a minute, then start flasher before plugging it into PC03:10
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Venemoluke-jr: what about the instruction which says long-press the button with the two overlapping rectangles?03:10
Venemoluke-jr: does ~flashing lie?03:11
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alteregoThat's for the N8x0s03:11
alteregoWe don't have that button on the N90003:12
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VenemoI'm talking about the N81003:12
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Venemoalterego: yeah.03:12
alteregoOh, well, I'm not sure it's necessary :P03:12
Venemoexcerpt from ~flashing: N810 WiMAX, N810, N800 and 770: Connect your device to your computer via USB. While holding the Home/Swap button (It's a house on the 770 and N800, and two overlapping rectangles on the N810), power on the device by holding the power button. You should see a Nokia logo in the middle of the screen, and a USB icon in the top right corner.03:12
alteregoMight have been in earlier f/w version irc03:12
luke-jrVenemo: sure03:13
alteregoAnyhow, g'night folks.03:13
Venemoluke-jr: anyway, flasher still says Suitable USB device not found, waiting.03:14
Venemoluke-jr: after trying what you said03:14
luke-jrVenemo: usually for me that means your host system USB stack is broken03:14
luke-jrfor mod in {e,u}hci_hcd; do rmmod $mod; sleep 1; modprobe $mod; done03:14
Venemoluke-jr: well I was able to flash the N810 about a month ago from the same system03:15
luke-jrbeware, all USB will shutdown for that03:15
Venemoluke-jr: hm. my system runs from an USB HDD, would it be wise to do that? :P03:15
luke-jrrather unwise03:15
luke-jrto run from USB03:15
luke-jrat all03:15
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luke-jrunless it's USB303:15
luke-jrwhich might be sane03:15
luke-jrbut nfc how it works ☺03:16
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Venemono, not usb 303:16
luke-jryou could reboot I suppose03:16
luke-jrthe cause of the broken state is, by guessing, NOLO failing to de-initialize the port before handing it over to Linux03:17
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VenemoI could try rebooting the pc, yes03:20
Venemobut the N810 is in a bricked state now03:20
Venemoluke-jr: I was trying this:
luke-jrthen you're screwed03:22
luke-jrN810 doesn't charge until it boots03:22
Venemoit is fully charged03:22
luke-jrnot if you keep failing03:22
Venemowell since I don't power it up, it won't consume power03:23
Venemonah, I'll reboot the pc and see what happens then03:23
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spiritdcan I copy to Xephy window?03:26
spiritdi mean ctrl+v to forms03:26
spiritdbtw i have ubuntu 10.04 in vmware... and backspace doesnt work :/03:26
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Venemoluke-jr: still no luck03:30
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Venemoluke-jr: do you have any ideas?03:31
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spiritdi ll use official virtual image03:33
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spiritdhow can i download this using app manager?03:41
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Venemoluke-jr: btw, the N810 can charge itself in its current state03:50
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spiritdMohammadAG ... where can I find strace for N900?03:54
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MohammadAGsdk repos03:54
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spiritdhow can i add these repos to N900?03:55
spiritdhmm it is in extras-devel ... cant see that...03:56
spiritdsomething wrong in n90003:56
spiritdMohammadAG btw how can i download this using app manager?03:57
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Venemonah, all solved04:04
Venemothx for the help :)04:04
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spiritdohhh... i understand04:11
spiritdits for older releases... "diablo"04:12
spiritdMohammadAG ... i ment ... i d like to download it for n900 phone not for sdk04:12
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spiritdthese is fck good... sshd to my phone... love this phone04:25
Venemospiritd: I'm happy :)04:26
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spiritdok installed strace //guide
Venemonah guys, I'm extremely weary, so I'll say goodbye and leave now04:39
spiritdkk bb04:39
spiritdeven sft works... oh guys... this is totally awsome04:40
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DocScrutinizerhello #maemo09:13
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DocScrutinizerHI MR LUKE-JR09:23
togglesi'm buying you two the new google laptops09:23
derfI'm taking away your Caps Lock keys.09:24
togglesthey don't have caps lock buttons09:24
luke-jrderf: I already threw mine out09:24
luke-jrtoggles: sweet, can I run Gentoo on it?09:24
luke-jrderf: seriously, my keymap uses the Caps key for Dvorak09:25
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derfI use mine for Compose.09:25
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luke-jrderf: but gets me a free laptop?09:26
derfYou win this round.09:26
DocScrutinizertoggles: you got my shipping addr?09:28
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RobbieThe1stTo be fair, those laptops have the same key, it's just a multi-function instead of just caps-lock09:32
RobbieThe1stAlso, in most cases, I'm thinking that the n900's solution would be better anyway - tap or hold shift for shift, tap twice for caps-lock09:33
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TermanaLOL - my mother got an app on her iPhone called "Ghost Trapper". It sits there with a radar and goes "beep" and shows some lines and dots and stuff on the radar. At the end it does one of those "scary" ghosting coming at you things.10:29
TermanaShe shit her pants! She thought she caught the ghost! :p10:29
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DocScrutinizerthought fart app would be ultimately the worst it gets10:34
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RST38hTermana: Your mother shat her pants? Are you sure we would like to hear about that?10:39
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TermanaRST38h, well i mean she didn't *really* shit her pants. She jumped up high, screamed and almost threw the phone10:42
* DocScrutinizer considers an app to whisper random scary shit at random times at night, when ambient light and noise is low, and no movement10:43
Choomthat could be interesting10:44
DocScrutinizerobviously has to run daemonized or via cronjob10:44
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Choommake it so that the noises stop if a light goes on or the phone is moved10:45
DocScrutinizerdidn't I say exactly that?10:46
DocScrutinizerumm, I meant to10:46
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DocScrutinizerfor additional schizogenic effect take random samples during day, and process them slightly with e.g. sox, to add reverb and tune pitch or stretch speed. Then use these samples for the scary noises10:50
TermanaDocScrutinizer has been watching too much NCIS. Except when they did it there, it was activated by a phone call.10:50
TermanaDocScrutinizer, also you did say exactly that, just in a different way :p10:50
DocScrutinizeroh, I rarely watch NCIS and missed that episode10:50
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Choomalso make sure you use the proximity sensor to check whether the phone is inside a pocket, a bag, or turned upside down before validatin the light sensor's input10:52
DocScrutinizergood point10:52
DocScrutinizerI think I can integrate all that into h-e-n kernel til mid of March the latest. Then sell exorcist app on ovi, 1. of April10:54
DocScrutinizerumm, the poltergeist needs a function to patch healthcheck as well :-D10:56
DocScrutinizer"your N900 has been detected to be infected by trinary fleas"10:57
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DocScrutinizer"please don't use your phone tomorrow 18:57 til 22:73! The fleas have scheduled a meeting at dark side of second life"10:59
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DocScrutinizerbtw anybody recalls this hype called "second life" anymore? Got rather quiet about all that :-P11:01
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Termanasecond life as in the game?11:02
DocScrutinizeroh that's been supposed to be a game?11:03
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DocScrutinizerI thought it was a virtual shop app for Nike and IBM11:03
TermanaErrmm... I think so. I didn't really use it11:03
TermanaDidn't interest me, overcomplicated chat with building functions11:03
Termana3D building*11:03
DocScrutinizerand the first life for pederasts11:04
TermanaI didn't even know what that meant until I looked it up11:06
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Termanamorning lardman11:12
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lardmanhi Termana11:17
DocScrutinizer  *priceless*11:18
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if there's secondlife in secondlife :-P11:19
DocScrutinizer"Laptop with secondlife^2 preinstalled. NOMOD/NOCOPY/MOVE L$15000"11:20
DocScrutinizer10^9 prims11:21
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DocScrutinizerdualcore: 10^12 prims11:22
lardmanwhat's a prim?11:22
DocScrutinizerI guess a primitive, some buildblock macro11:22
DocScrutinizerhonestly no idea really. First time in my first life I look at 2ndlife11:23
lardmanah I was wondering if it was currency11:23
DocScrutinizernah the currency is Lindon$ iirc11:24
DocScrutinizerfreely convertable to USD11:24
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lardmanhmm, it's stopped snowing :(11:31
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RST38his it a good thing or a bad thing?11:32
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lardmanbad, it's the weekend11:33
doc|homewtf does that even mean (there's no way I'm clicking a daily shite url)11:35
lardmanto do with the gas chambers I just found out11:35
RST38hdoc: Winona Ryder acting as Cpt Obvious for today11:35
* doc|home lost - but doesn't really care11:35
lardmanor semitic11:36
doc|homethat's an awful url11:36
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doc|homeit should be legal to punch tabloid journalists11:37
RST38hYou would really need it to be legal to do it? Hm.11:37
doc|homeI'm not going to jail for one of those useless... people...11:38
* doc|home sighs11:38
DocScrutinizerRST38h: get a proper irc client - WITH TAB NICK-COMPLETION!11:39
lardmanDocScrutinizer: mine has troubles with your nicks sometimes11:39
RST38hDoc: No.11:39
doc|homeso, I'm buying a christmas present for someone back home (Ireland). I'm using an Irish credit card, from an Irish bank, with the billing/delivery address matching the card address. Transaction denied. Why? Because the IP address I'm doing the transaction from is in canada.11:39
lardmanif it doesn't know whether I'm going to keep typing, doesn't change case for me11:40
RST38hdoc: I bet you never tried buying anything from an .RU IP address...11:40
doc|homeRST38h: .ca doesn't exactly have the same rep as .ru :)11:40
doc|homeI asked if there was any way around it and the guy said "not without a proxy" :D11:41
doc|homeso, he didn't suggest it as such ...11:41
* doc|home places order using proxy11:41
RST38hdoc: meaning, they just deny your transactions, and do not start calling your US phone number to warn you of "illegal activity using your credit card"?11:41
doc|homeDocScrutinizer: pffft, he's not even saying your name :)11:41
RST38hDoc: You should downgrade to IRCII, it does not highlight.11:41
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doc|homeDocScrutinizer: do you have "doc" in your highlight list?11:42
doc|homeRST38h: no, just it's rejected11:42
RST38hdoc: Proxy. Problem solved.11:42
DocScrutinizerdoc|home: yes, "doc:" as somebody else used to use that - also a TAB ignorant11:42
doc|homeRST38h: still a hassle and stressful when you're trying to place it in the minutes before work close to christmas :/11:42
doc|homeDocScrutinizer: then it's the other guy's fault :)11:43
doc|homeRST38h: have the order done now, hope it gets there in time is all11:43
RST38hdoc: They will not deliver it.11:43
doc|homeRST38h: they better!11:43
RST38hdoc: Never do11:43
doc|homeRST38h: what?11:43
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RST38hdoc: Too late, parcel services are in a mess, you should be happy if they do not lose it at all11:44
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doc|homeRST38h: we'll see :/11:44
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doc|homesleep time, night11:45
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TermanaDocScrutinizer: I thought you didn't own an n810? :p12:13
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mikki-kunarghs, sorry, wrong channel ^^'13:08
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zchydemhi are there any known issues related on performance and pr 1.3? I have almost N900 with pr1.3 and I installed there only MadDeveloper and ssh, it's really slow in general13:50
zchydem"almost clean"13:50
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pupniki've seen a lot of vague complaints13:52
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alteregoI need two more votes:
alteregoSomeone freakin' do it :)13:58
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SpeedEvilWhy not?14:21
MohammadAGdidn't sleep last night, didn't you notice? :P14:22
MohammadAGwell, couldn't14:22
MohammadAGso i've been awake for 24h+14:22
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SpeedEvilI would suggest finding somewhere nice and flat, and doing handbrake turns there.14:23
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DocScrutinizermoin SpeedEvil14:23
SpeedEvilI'm going to sleep again.14:24
SpeedEvilIt's way too cold to be up.14:24
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Venemohey guys14:25
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you know anything about lis302 on OM hw?14:26
SpeedEvilMy OM hw doesn't have one.14:26
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DocScrutinizerfunny detail I made them consider to have the Nokia driver or a similar IRQ driven concept, after only 2.5y of arguing about it14:28
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DocScrutinizerwhile meego adopts the OM joystick polling approach :-P14:28
DocScrutinizerwell, however crappy, it's UPSTREAM (uhuhuhuhh)14:30
alteregoNote to self: CSS != QML14:30
alteregoNo matter how similar it looks.14:30
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Venemoalterego: QML is JS, not CSS14:35
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alteregoVenemo: it feels more like CSS tbh14:50
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Venemoalterego: it is JSON if I recall correctly14:50
alteregoAt least the UI14:51
VenemoX-Fade: ping14:51
alteregoBut not JSON14:51
alteregoIt's its' own language really, kind of like JSON, but feels a little more like CSS.14:51
alteregoBut not either14:51
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VenemoX-Fade: I have uploaded a package called "puzzle-master" to the autobuilder yesterday evening. I received an OK email about it, but it doesn't appear in the list of the latest builds, not in the repo. could you help me?14:52
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: you still rock? :)14:53
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JaffaMorning, all15:49
Venemomorning Jaffa15:49
alteregoJust need one more vote now ..15:51
pupnikpreferably from an actual user ;)15:55
Venemoin the ideal world of sw developers, there are no actual users15:56
jaskaitd be much better that way15:58
alteregoMy maemo projects I write, basically, for myself.15:58
alteregoCan't say I've wrote an app for users.15:58
alteregoI just write things I want, then make them look nice and work nice for users.15:58
BCMMone more vote for what?15:58
alteregoWell, users except DocScrutinizer15:58
Venemohehe, why?15:59
alteregoBecause no one can ever reach his unobtainable standards :)15:59
Venemohah! I was able to! :P15:59
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VenemoX-Fade: nevermind, resubmitting the package did the trick16:10
Venemoalterego: wanna give it a spin?16:10
Venemoalterego: it's in the repo now16:10
alteregoYeah, I'll do it in a few minutes.16:11
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threshhi. is it a known bug that installing overclocked kernel results in v4l not working?16:22
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andre__query the bugtracker for overclocked kernels? :-P16:25
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JaffaPython-folks: anyone know the import for KeyError; and how to generally find such things?16:41
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JaffaMy bad. Spelt it wrong.16:41
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km82rtI am somewhat frustrated. After kill the fs on the N900 (sudden power loss when dropping it on a hard surface)16:44
km82rtI tried to reflash it.16:44
km82rtFlashing the fiasco image is no problem16:44
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km82rtbut I cannot flash the EMMC16:45
Venemokm82rt: yeah, I screwed an N900 that way once. I was able to flash both fiasco and emmc, but it just didn't work16:45
km82rtThere are numerious people in forums with similar problems.16:45
km82rtVenemo: What did you finally do?16:45
Venemokm82rt: brought it to a repair center, and "forgot" to tell them that I dropped it16:46
Venemokm82rt: after a week, they replaced it with a new one, 'cause they couldn't fix it16:46
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louigiveronaguysoft42, tried updating maemo from N900, it says i need to connect to nokia software.16:47
km82rtVenemo: to me this looks like a design error. (hard drop causes power failure --> causes fs corruption --> cannot be fixed....)16:47
louigiveronai am on linux there is no nokia software for it16:47
louigiveronawhat should I do?16:47
nid0remove the incompatible packages you've installed preventing the ota upgrade from working16:48
nid0or free up rootfs space if you've used a load of it16:48
louigiveronanid0, how do i know what packages are incompatible?16:49
nid0its in the package details for the upgrade16:49
km82rtdoes anyone know which 4 digits on the label are the hwid?16:49
louigiveronanid0, thx, i'll try16:50
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ke^ this is repo for n900 right ?16:52
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ke^Cant get my application manager detect the example clawmotia pkg which i why i have add this repo16:53
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VenemoI should go now; bye guys16:54
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km82rthi tackat17:19
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MortimeRRtackat: how is it in Nuremberg? A lot of snow?17:20
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alteregoAbout an inch of snow in 20 mins17:33
lardmanthat's impressive17:35
lardmanno more here really, just 2-3" worth this morning17:35
alteregoyeah, still snowing a bit, really hope my bus comes to take me into Cambridge tonight.17:37
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lardmanlooks like it might snow again here though, dark skies now17:39
GAN900Ha . . . snow.17:39
GAN900Was pouring rain this morning.17:39
Jartzacould't tell, it's been dark for 2 hours already :)17:39
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Jartzawe have less than 6 hours of daylight now in finland :(17:40
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alteregoaww, that must be pretty depressing :D17:41
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Jartzadark when you go to work17:41
Jartzadark when you leave home17:42
GAN900Screw that.17:42
Jartzaand about half a meter of snow17:42
Jartzaand -15C :)17:42
Jartzawtf. welcome to finland. \o/17:42
SpeedEvilIt's gotten down to -15C17:44
SpeedEvilthought hat was a few days ago at night.17:44
SpeedEvilFife, Scotland17:44
GAN900Still getting a solid 10 hours a day here.17:44
GAN900Thank goodness.17:44
Jartzayeah. I heard that central europe is struggling with snow :)17:45
Jartzawe're just living with it. struggling doesn't help.17:45
RST38hMore riots!17:47
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alteregoI just need one more vote:
alteregoSome one please :)17:56
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backwards_is it possible to change the sensitivity of the proximity sensor in the N900?18:00
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SpeedEvilI believe not - it's a binary output sensor18:01
backwards_is it possible that a program which I installed changed the sensitivity?18:02
backwards_Because it needs an extreme bright light to "open" the sensor18:03
SpeedEvilIt's possible something is making it ignore it, yes18:03
SpeedEvilafk - sorry - good luck18:03
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Tokzcould someone show me how to use shared folder with wizard mounter and windows 718:15
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tackatMortimeRR: well, some snow. The finnish guys might disagree if I say "a lot" ;-)18:32
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backwards_is it possible that a program which I installed changed the sensitivity of the proximity sensor?18:48
alteregoExcept a new kernel, possibly.18:48
alteregoUnless the proximity sensor is a gpio switch, in which case, definitely not.18:49
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backwards_but the kernel can't be changed by installed software?18:53
backwards_I'm not understanding my proximity sensor.. I guess it could be broken, but it's wierd it does react on strong light I think18:53
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GAN900Proximity sensor or ambient light sensor?18:57
backwards_my screen doesn't switch on when I'm called because my phone thinks it's too dark. That's the proximity sensor right?18:57
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luke-jralterego: proximity sensor is gpio iirc18:59
luke-jrbackwards_: no18:59
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luke-jrbackwards_: proximity sensor detects distance to closest object18:59
luke-jrlight sensor detects brightness18:59
backwards_how come the proximity sensor opens when I hold my phone against a halogen lamp, and closes in all other cases?19:01
timeless_mbpone of the low numbered Finnish TV channels just showed a test pattern19:01
timeless_mbpthen it showed black19:01
timeless_mbpnow it's showing the same test pattern (but silently, thankfully!)19:01
timeless_mbp(that's 3 flashes of it)19:01
* timeless_mbp didn't record the other bits19:02
timeless_mbpah, but now i'm rewarded by a pink panther short :)19:02
timeless_mbpthis is channel 4 (nelonen?)19:02
alteregoI still need one more freakin' vote dagnamit!19:04
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backwards_couldn't get on your link19:04
backwards_is there a way to test the light sensor?19:05
timeless_mbpalterego: url?19:06
ShadowJKbackwards_, strong light will trigger the proximity sensor in some cases19:06
ShadowJKlike if you have sunlight shining on the remote control receiver of your TV, it stops seeing your remote control19:07
backwards_but can I check if the light sensor works? I installed HealthCheck which checks the proximity sensor, but not the light sensor19:07
ShadowJKYour assumption that "phone thinks it's too dark" is wrong19:08
ShadowJKIf it thinks it's dark, it reduces the power of the backlight. If it's in reality very bright, you'd still see the screen contents if that was the case, because the screen is transreflective19:09
ShadowJKDo you have a screen protector covering the front camera, light sensor and proximity sensor?19:09
backwards_no I don't19:09
backwards_I had my phone repared last week, they replaced the screen because the old screen was broken19:10
timeless_mbpalterego: um, send me an xbox360 and i'll vote for your app :)19:10
backwards_something could have gone wrong there I guess19:11
DocScrutinizercat the sysfs nodes19:12
alteregopfft, it works :P19:13
alterego9/10 thumbs up is a pretty good indication of that :P19:14
GAN900alterego, when I get home.19:14
DocScrutinizerbackwards_: cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state19:15
alteregoThanks :)19:15
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alteregoStill snowing here19:15
alteregoProbably another 1/2 inch19:15
alteregoThough, I don't know how you measure these things.19:15
DocScrutinizerbackwards_: cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux19:16
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DocScrutinizerbackwards_: ???!19:17
backwards_doc, I did the proximity state and it always says closed unless I use the bright light19:17
DocScrutinizerthat's weird19:17
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jacekowskibackwards_: then it's broken19:17
alteregohrm, more like 3 or 4 inchs19:17
DocScrutinizerbright light would rather make it "open"19:17
jacekowskibackwards_: proximity sensor has it's own light source19:17
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: that's what he said19:18
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's closed unless he uses bright light19:18
DocScrutinizererr, it not what I meant though. Thanks19:18
DocScrutinizerprox sensor seing light means there's an object near that reflects sensor's own IR19:18
DocScrutinizerso light=object=closed19:19
DocScrutinizerno light=no reflexion=open19:19
backwards_so it should be closed when there is something near19:19
backwards_the second thing you told me gives me "6" don't know what that means?19:20
DocScrutinizer6 lux, normal for room with 60W bulb19:20
DocScrutinizerhold it to the light, you get like 6019:20
DocScrutinizeror 10019:20
DocScrutinizerin sun 100019:20
backwards_bright light gives 268919:21
backwards_conclusion is that prox sensor is broken and it's a hardware problem right?19:21
DocScrutinizeror 11714, next to a 60W19:21
DocScrutinizerwell, usually that sensor is always on afaik, and for me it shows 'closed' when I cover left half of device by hand, and 'open' when there's nothing19:23
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DocScrutinizera brigh light of ~8000Lux doesn't cause a 'closed', approaching the bulb about 3cm distance gives closed, but that also seems normal sensor operation19:25
bakaratwhat exactly is the reason for contacting nokia servers if you want to register an email account...?19:25
DocScrutinizerchecking connectivity afaik19:26
DocScrutinizerbackwards_: short answer: yes19:26
DocScrutinizerbackwards_: nevertheless reflash! You never know19:26
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DocScrutinizerif error persists on freshly flashed clean rootfs&kernel (COMBINED fiasco img) then it's for sure a hw problem19:27
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backwards_so is that flashing the eMMC too?19:30
bakaratDocScrutinizer, checking connectivity of the pop3 server...?19:30
DocScrutinizerdo NOT flash the VANILLA file, that's useless19:30
bakaratwhy exactly is that done by nokia?19:30
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DocScrutinizerbakarat: aiui the mailer (modest) checks if it can ping an arbitrary addr in internet which happens to be Nokia.19:31
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bakaratDocScrutinizer, ah ok, that would make sense19:31
DocScrutinizerbut maybe it does more, e.g. asking for presets for that mail provider19:31
bakaratjust making sure cause i read at some point nokia offered a push service where mail was being routed through nokia servers19:32
bakarat(not sure when that was nor what model it referred to)19:32
DocScrutinizerNokia could have a database with mail and pop server names and settings for commonly known service providers19:32
DocScrutinizerthat push is probably nokia-mail19:33
DocScrutinizerit's basically a poor idea, as there's no push mail through a NAT, and GPRS frequently is behind a NAT19:34
ShadowJKbakarat, if you're using that nokia messaging thing it goes via nokia, and potentially your operator wants money for it19:34
bakaratDocScrutinizer, ShadowJK just the default email app on the nokia n90019:34
bakaratnot sure which one it is19:34
DocScrutinizerso your phone has to send NAT keep alive packets all the time to enable push, which is way worse than polling pop3 ince every 15min19:35
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: uh, bs?19:35
luke-jrIMAP IDLE is push, and works fine behind NAT19:35
DocScrutinizeror they actually send an SMS to inform you about new mail19:35
ShadowJKas long as the NAT doesn't have extremely short expiration of connection tracking19:35
* ShadowJK has no nat on interwebs19:35
* luke-jr is finding DD-Wrt's IPv6 support to be broken :/19:36
DocScrutinizertypical session timeout on a NAT is 1..10min19:36
bakaratbut long story short, the default email app on the nokia n900 is a generic email app right? not the nokia mail thingy?19:36
luke-jrQoS too19:36
ShadowJKMy router has 2 week timeout on nat. Probably why bittorrent is known to make it run out of ram :)19:37
DocScrutinizerbakarat: for everything except maybe nokiamail it is19:37
bakaratk thanks :)19:37
ShadowJKbakarat, so when I pick "New account" in email, it connects to nokia to "check for service availability". Presumably this has something to do with that thing where operators decide whether you can get nokia messaging or not. Then you get the thing where you get to select Service provider. If you pick Nokia Messaging at this point, I imagine it goes via nokia servers19:38
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bakaratShadowJK, ah ok, i'll just stay clear of that then :P19:39
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bakaratif i set up an exchange account (for my work), is it easy to keep the calendar, contacts and whatever else is synced separate from private calendar, contacts etc?19:41
backwards_thanks for the help doc! :)19:41
bakarat(sorry i'm bombarding you guys with questions :P)19:41
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DocScrutinizerthis "checking for service availability" could also be STUN, or maybe even UPnP to try pinhole the provider NAT.19:44
DocScrutinizerSome SMS and security guru around? How does N900 react on those "silent SMS", can you still detect them?19:47
DocScrutinizerIs there a convenient way *I* (an underprivileged mortal user) may send such a silent SMS to test that?19:48
luke-jrwhat silent SMS?19:50
DocScrutinizerhmm, thanks, nvm. hushSMS is the answer19:52
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: doing anything Tuesday?19:59
luke-jrnew year!19:59
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DocScrutinizerwell, I guess I'll celebrate a much more archaic and ancient habit: winter solstice20:01
DocScrutinizernice side effect: after that I'm done at least with xmas20:01
luke-jr :P20:02
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luke-jrstill getting used to using shift for odd numbers20:03
Shapeshifterto hell with busybox!!20:03
Shapeshifterthat is all.20:03
joppuanyone care to test and vote?20:04
joppubecause one vote till extras20:04
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Venemo_N900hi guys20:13
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Venemo_N900what's up?20:16
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Venemo_N900hey _nicolai_20:44
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_nicolai_is someone working on MohammadAG s qtmediaplayer?20:49
Venemo_N900he just sent me bunch of code that you sent him20:49
Venemo_N900I'll look into it tomorrow20:50
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_nicolai_ah, ok.20:54
Venemo_N900or at least when I have some time20:56
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internetishardhow much should ram usage be after a fresh restart?21:15
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Venemo_N900internetishard: afaik Linux uses 100% ram. unused ram is wasted ram.21:17
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: correct me if I'm wrong21:17
internetishardI'm talking about, for example, what shoes in conky21:17
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Venemo_N900I dunno that, I don't have conky21:19
DocScrutinizer-8as a rule of thumb, I see ca. 50MB swap used, after booting PR1.221:19
luke-jrinternetishard: Maemo uses a ridiculous amount of memory21:19
luke-jrmore than KDE even21:19
internetishardtell me about it21:19
luke-jrit's GTK?21:19
internetishardyeah, 55M of swap here after fresh reboot21:19
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DocScrutinizer-8a lot of processes aka apps are preloaded during or shortly after boot21:20
DocScrutinizer-8that's basically why so much ram is "used"21:21
internetishardIf there a more optimal way to manage maemo?21:21
DocScrutinizer-8camera-ui, browserd, even modest, phone-ui21:21
internetishardand on fresh reboot, you've 150M RAM, and 55M swap used too?21:22
DocScrutinizer-8internetishard: if you find and can verify a more optimal way that works for most users the best, then don't hesitate to let us know21:23
internetishardI don't know what is using the bulk of memory, but I'd guess that using a more dynamic scheme would be more optimal for more people21:24
internetishardSort of like page faulting at different times21:24
internetishardI haven't tested meego yet, does it do much better?21:25
DocScrutinizer-8you can set several programs to not preload >effect: more free memory but huge startup delay when invoking one of those that got preloaded to get better latency21:25
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internetishardI see... Well I'm mostly concerning with having to restart when the system gets too bogged down21:25
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internetishardbecoming unresponsive after a few days21:25
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DocScrutinizer-8that's usually caused by memory raping programs21:26
alteregoWell, we're officially snowed in ...21:26
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spiritdwhy after installing new application there is no icon?21:27
spiritdor default blue box21:27
spiritdhow can i fix it?21:27
alteregospiritd: there's a bug in hildon21:27
alteregorestart the device is the simplest way to get it to work properly.21:28
internetishardDocScrutinizer-8, what programs memory rape? Is pidgin one of them? I use that the most21:28
alteregointernetishard: use top, it'll tell you how much memort your apps use.21:28
internetishard any idea when OTR will work again, btw?21:28
* timeless_mbp cries21:28
spiritdalterego y ... i though its better was than restart :/21:29
timeless_mbpSurf's Up was *dubbed* into Finnish21:29
timeless_mbpWhy oh Why oh Why21:29
DocScrutinizer-8internetishard: that's one of the hard to answer questions21:29
* timeless_mbp kicks finnish television21:29
alteregospiritd: the other way, I think, is to touch the icon file and then the .desktop file.21:29
internetishardDocScrutinizer-8: what? when OTR will work is?21:29
alteregoThough, it might be the other way around.21:29
alteregoMight try and get my dvb stick to work with usb host today21:32
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RST38hBank of America Cuts Off Wikileaks Transactions21:42
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DokterWHi. Where is the menu file located? When I make changes to the menu they are not saved.21:45
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JaffaDokterW: /etc/xdg/... and/or also under .local - as per the menu spec22:11
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DokterWJaffa: Awesome! Thanks!22:12
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hueeouch, bad panel :/22:15
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alteregoThink my battery is starting to fail, It's about 2/3 full and I just took it off charge about 2.5 hours ago22:28
alteregoAnd I've barely used it -_-22:28
hueealterego: or some battery-eating daemon?22:29
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Venemo_N900alterego: depends on how heavily you've used it since then22:30
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alteregoI've taken 4 photos and that's it.22:30
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alteregoNo wifi connection, just 3G and no traffic anyway, well, no apps open.22:31
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Venemo_N900well then it's indeed failing22:32
Venemo_N900I also plugged out mine about 2.5 hrs ago and it's also 2/3 now22:32
hueeand loadavg?22:33
Venemo_N900but I'been on the net, browsed TMO, made replies, emailed, made calls, and reviewed a bunch of stuff on gitorious22:33
Venemo_N900half of this from a train22:34
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spiritdok ... packet injection working  using neopwn kernel-power and modules + easy debian22:44
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alteregoHrm, how long does it take a package to promote from testing to exras once it has 10 votes.23:09
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alteregoI can't remember itms been a while since I did this last.23:09
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Venemo_N900alterego: X-Fade should know23:09
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alteregoI'll wait, until the week23:10
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MohammadAG_nicolai_, thanks :D23:37
MohammadAGHaven't been able to reply to the email, I fell asleep :P23:37
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_nicolai_no problem, I wasn't sure if was the right email address23:46
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