IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-12-17

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Noobmonk3ywoooop! random question....00:01
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Noobmonk3yis it possible to record the screen, like ctrl+shift+p but video?00:03
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MohammadAGyes, but it'll be far from fast00:04
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Noobmonk3yi want fast! lol00:04
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Noobmonk3ywant to upload my example of angry birds not working lol00:04
MohammadAGSDK + some magic00:04
Noobmonk3ymeh meh00:05
MohammadAGstart it from terminal00:05
Noobmonk3ypc is turned off00:05
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Noobmonk3ylaying on the sofa being lazy....00:05
VenemoNoobmonk3y: the load appled has a "record screencast" option00:05
Noobmonk3ybut thought that never worked Venemo ?00:05
VenemoI dunno00:05
MohammadAGhow hard is that00:06
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, works, but not the fastest option00:06
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VenemoNoobmonk3y: according to you, Qt Mobility's accelerometer didn't work... when in fact it does00:06
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MohammadAGangry birds lays out in portrait mode nicely!00:07
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Noobmonk3yhmmm now to replay that screencast, and see how slow!00:08
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Sicelosorry i got disconnected...i was asking if it is better to stay in PR1.2 if you are a power user, basing my question on the discussion between johndo and DocScrutinizer about 50mins ago00:09
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VenemoSicelo: I didn't regred updating to 1.300:09
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wmaronePR1.3 fixed the unresponsiveness problems I was having, I'll never go back :)00:10
Noobmonk3ymeh it didnt work, recorded about 10 secs worth of a 1 minute attempt00:10
johndois that "advanced power" widget supposed to remove the battery symbol from the status bar?00:10
Sicelothank you Venemo. I guess it's more personal preferences then :)00:10
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, did you find any golden eggs?00:11
MohammadAGjohndo, it replaces it00:11
MohammadAGbut due to the nature of hildon-status-menu00:11
MohammadAGkillall hildon-status-menu will bring it back00:11
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Noobmonk3ymo, my prob is an odd one, i had the extra packs, uninstalled, installed new version, and it doesnt load anything correctly00:11
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johndoMohammadAG: hehe00:11
Noobmonk3yassuming level pack issue00:11
johndosaw that battery info on your screenshot and thought i need that :)00:12
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alteregoVenemo: vote for my package :)
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johndoMohammadAG: worked, thanks00:13
alteregoahyway, g'night00:14
bakaratquick question: how do i switch keyboard layout?00:14
MohammadAGjohndo, I uninstalled it btw ;)00:15
johndoMohammadAG: what are the 2 numbers for time left in that widget? hours idle and "used" (whatever usage that means)?00:15
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, no idea lol00:15
MohammadAGstart it from terminal00:15
johndoMohammadAG: because of what reason? more power consumtion?00:15
MohammadAGPython, more memory consumption00:15
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johndoMohammadAG: only used about 600k for me, maybe i already had the python dependencies00:16
johndooops, nvm :)00:16
MohammadAGjohndo, memory as in RAM ;)00:17
johndoya ya :)00:17
johndoi should read more carefully, that's why my oops00:17
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  fixed, u have yo upgrade all levl packs, thankfully only have the 100:17
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Noobmonk3yand no, not figured out any of the secret stuff00:18
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* Noobmonk3y wants something fun to do on the n900 hmmmmm00:21
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, #meego-bar00:22
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MohammadAGjoin it00:23
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Noobmonk3yc closed00:23
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Noobmonk3ytry again lol00:23
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Venemohey again00:26
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alteregoVenemo! Vote for my freakin'! package!??&)/€+#-00:28
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Venemoalterego: send me your freakin' link00:28
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MohammadAGalterego, go to your freakin' bed00:29
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alteregoVenemo: I've told you it twice already!00:29
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alteregoliterally 10 lines up :P00:29
Venemoalterego: oh, okay00:29
Venemoalterego: sorry, I was away and just got back00:30
Venemoalterego: voted00:30
alteregospank you :) now I can schleep :D00:30
bakaratif i put music (mp3 is supported by default right?) on the n900, should it automatically be picked up by the media player? (it's not atm)00:30
Venemoalterego: but promise me to vote on my app too :P00:31
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cehtehunfortunally yes .. the trackerd runs every sometime and collects all music00:31
alteregoSure, g'night folks00:31
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bakaratcehteh, any idea at what interval?00:31
bakaratstill waiting for the first song to pop up in the list00:31
Venemoalterego: good night :)00:31
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cehtehtoday i had shuffle play through all "never played files" ... and it played back telephone calles i recorded with recaller .. duh :P00:32
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cehtehbakarat: you have it still connected to usb?00:32
cehteh(storage mode)00:33
bakaratcehteh, well, disconnected once to see if that was it, now connected again00:33
cehtehneeds to be disconnected, else the paritions wont be mounted00:33
bakaratcehteh, ah ok00:33
bakarati'm guessing if you use the storage mode that it shared /home/<user>?00:33
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cehteh /home/user/MyDocs .. for the internal emmc flash and /media/mmc1 for the microsd card00:34
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bakaratcehteh, and how do i differentiate between the two? all i see is a dcim map and a mac os map or something :P00:35
cehtehdunno i disabled this usb storage mode00:35
cehtehiirc it exports 2 drives over usb00:35
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MohammadAG/dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk1*00:36
MohammadAGDCIM map and Mac OS are on the eMMC afaik00:36
johndobakarat: yes, you should see 2 drives on your pc00:36
bakaratjohndo, ah possible, only one auto-mounted though hehe :P00:38
bakaratso anyone on changing keyboard layout? hardware is azerty but layout is  qwerty, that's doable on a big keyboard but with the little one its a nightmare00:38
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer has changed his keyboard.00:39
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cehtehchanging the keyboard layut is trivial .. search t.m.o00:40
bakarati thought settings/text input00:40
cehtehthere are some well understandable config files for that00:40
bakaratbut no combination has actually allowed me to set azerty :p00:40
cehteheh just use another existing map or define new key combos? .. the first is even simpler :P00:41
bakaratcehteh, currently i'm trying to change it via the UI as typing is a pain in the ass with this keyboard :p00:41
bakaratbut randomly selecting different settings that would seem obvious are not working00:42
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Venemobakarat: sorry I'm late in the discussion, what's the problem?00:52
bakaratVenemo, just trying to set the keyboard to azerty, but no logical combination of settings seems to do that00:52
bakaratperhaps because my interface language is english (uk)?00:53
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bakaratheh, damn, was hoping to avoid typing00:54
Venemobakarat: you can do it over SSH from a PC00:55
bakaratya true00:55
ioanhaha, I want something on my N900 to answer like the telecrapper 2000:
bakaratwell, that's worries fer tomorrow00:55
bakaratthanks again! :)00:56
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Venemobakarat: with that method I successfully remapped the keyboard's Fn combos to allow me to type all Hungarian accented letters00:57
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johndobye guys, thanks for your help01:06
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Venemowhat is the user/ section name for games?01:19
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Venemocrashanddie_: really?01:25
crashanddie_Venemo: you've been around for sufficiently long to know that you should never trust anything I say unless I go into a 3+ line rant01:26
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Venemocrashanddie_: yeah.01:27
Venemocrashanddie_: :)01:27
Venemocrashanddie_: is it user/games?01:27
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pupnikthe fucking wars were a buzzkill for me.  i'd have been a happier person without them.01:36
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masterkentHi !01:47
masterkentCan someone tell me how to add a font in the font menu of the terminal ?01:48
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comawhiteI got the next phone isn't debian based =[02:00
comawhiteI hate messing with debian02:00
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jacekowskidebian based phone?02:04
comawhiteyeah the apt-get etc (debian/ubuntu/w/e)02:05
wmaroneyou don't like apt?02:05
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comawhitehell no02:05
jacekowskiwell, because something is using apt that doesn't mean it's debian based02:05
comawhitethat's why i don't use the desktop ubuntu/debian based distros02:05
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mmarc__hey guys, do you know who's the author of the original n900 ringtones? Just I'm very impressed with this music.02:27
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Justusis it possible to flip the screen of my n900 both vertically/horizontally?02:35
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FauxFauxOh dee, I didn't realise that usb hostmode was in the powah kernel.03:37
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pupniki find it really shitty that Obama thinks he can kill people like me04:11
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pupnikif Obama says that, then i have to defend myself04:12
chxsays what04:13
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jpinx-eeepcwhen I start a mv job over ssh can I ctrl Z it and then bring it up again in a terminal on the local device (n900)?04:22
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chxuse screen for that04:26
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pupnikobama has called for killing of american citizens without trial04:42
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johnxpupnik, woo!04:47
johnxsounds fun04:47
johnxpupnik, uhm, don't crosspost off-topic stuff04:48
pupnik"In late January, I wrote about the Obama administration's "presidential assassination program," whereby American citizens are targeted for killings far away from any battlefield, based exclusively on unchecked accusations by the Executive Branch that they're involved in Terrorism. "
johnxpupnik, stop that04:49
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* SpeedEvil calls for the killing of pupnik.04:50
pupnikyou can get my address04:51
pupniki'll give you a beer and we can chat04:51
pupnikgenocidal fucks do not have a place in a free software culture04:51
SpeedEvilSure they do.04:52
pupnikand over 1 million iraqis were killed while we were playing with software04:52
SpeedEvilSome have come damn near to calling for a fatwa against microsoft.04:52
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pupniksieg heil SpeedEvil04:53
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pupnikyou pick your side04:53
SpeedEvilI try to avoid picking sides.04:54
SpeedEvilI hate everyone equally.04:54
pupnikdon't aggress and we'll be fine04:54
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Termanagood morning04:55
pupnikthe USA which has genocided over a million people04:55
SpeedEvilThat's disgusting.04:56
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SpeedEvilYou can't use the word genocided like that.04:56
pupnikfacts are facts04:56
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lolcatI am in a reboot loop againg04:56
SpeedEvilAnd grammar is grammar.04:57
TermanaSpeedEvil, Looks like I came just in time to join the tin foil hat party04:57
SpeedEvilWhat did you do?04:57
lolcatApparently not04:57
pupnikand the dead are dead04:57
lolcatMy battery is a bit bad04:57
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SpeedEvillolcat: I would recommend taking the battery out, and then putting it back in, then charging from the wall charger04:58
SpeedEvilThat's fixed it when stuff has gone wierd for me04:58
lolcatI gave my wall charger to my girlfriend04:58
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SpeedEvilSorry - I'm asleep at the moment and have no constructive suggestions.04:59
SpeedEvilNight all.04:59
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iluminator101I am looking for a simple timer for n900?07:33
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johnxiluminator101, like a stop watch?07:33
johnxsearch for stop watch07:33
johnxworks great07:33
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iluminator101thanks Johnx07:35
iluminator101i am looking for digital compass on n900 if there is such an app simple compass07:35
SpeedEvilThere is no hardware07:36
iluminator101bumper what hardware are we talking about?07:36
SpeedEvilWell - at least stock - I plan to add one - but...07:36
SpeedEvilTehre is no digital compass.07:36
ds3did the people who were thinking of doing one with the microSD give up?07:36
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SpeedEvilds3: I was idly wondering about that - the problem is that the microSD is ~1mm thick. Digital compass chips are - though they are about the right size - 1.5mm thick. This leads to a packaging problem.07:37
ds3SpeedEvil: *nod* I think the idea of a thick spot sticking out was also rejected07:37
SpeedEvilds3: So I'm just planning on soldering one on to a convenient I2C bus07:37
SpeedEvilds3: yeah - it doesn't work well. :/07:38
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ds3SpeedEvil: is there a convienient I2C bus exposed?07:38
SpeedEvilds3: If you sank ~50K into it to get bare dies and the moulding, then it'd be easy.07:38
SpeedEvilds3: Yes - several internally07:39
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SpeedEvilBut it's a dissasembly job07:39
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ds3hence the 'exposed' qualification07:39
ds3what's a reasonable price single chip compass that will run at 1.8V?07:39
ds3or does such a beast not exists :)07:40
ds3$15 each and no one has stock :(07:44
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iluminator101is there like restaurant finder app for n900?07:47
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luke-jriluminator101: what I do is open AGPS, copy coordinates to Google Maps, then search nearby for stuff07:53
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chxiluminator101: Maemo-Geolocation ?07:56
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johnxluke-jr, you don't just let microb use your gps chip?07:59
luke-jrjohnx: shrug. let it or not, it doesn't use it :P07:59
johnxluke-jr, you're doing it wrong :)07:59
johnxalso, the android/iphone version of the google maps web page works great in microb08:00
johnx(except no real way to zoom out ... )08:00
luke-jrwhat exactly am I doing wrong?08:00
johnxnot installing the plugin for microb that lets it access the GPS08:00
johnxthen not using the iphone version of google maps website08:00
iluminator101what about a next flight app?08:01
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Corsacwoouh, an angry bird update08:08
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TermanaIs it just me or is it when you're asked to write something about global warming and provide an argument about it, the questions will always have bias to an argument of global warming actually being a problem? :p08:51
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DocScrutinizerTermana: it's absolutely irrelevant if there's really man made global warming. Almost as irrelevant as the question how many cases of cancer casualties a high air fission bomb test will cause. We simply should stay away from the actual test and try to stay on safe side of fence09:00
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rutei've been looking at several 'top 10 must have apps for the nokia n900' and i keep seeing a game called 'bounce evolution' but i don't see it in the downloads. how do i get it?09:40
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Termanarute, it's free in the Ovi Store09:47
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: <SpeedEvil>Nokia-N900-02-8:/usr/lib# ls -l *FLAC*09:49
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you know this doesn't really mean much, as you *could* have a non-maemo-mohammadesque system where /usr is actually a mounted volume? :-D09:50
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: though I agree the error pattern descriped involved a symlink to /opt afaik09:51
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DocScrutinizerhowever such a symlink is semi-sane as per FHS /usr is *supposed* to be a separate volume mounted late in bootup by itself, so if it actually isn't then there's nothing wrong with symlinking particular files in it to such a separately mounted volume. Apparently some dudes here refuse to get the catch of that09:53
DocScrutinizeragain, read09:57
infobotmethinks optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence309:57
DocScrutinizerall the references therein, if you're one of that dudes09:57
DocScrutinizerESPECIALLY the refs to
DocScrutinizerdon't start discussions about system configuration if you never heard or refused to learn about FHS09:59
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: there's clearly a right way to deal with system configuration and a wrong way. The right way is to follow FHS, the wrong way is to look at your actual system and take assumptions. E.G. lcuk when developting parts of optifcation followed the FHS paradigms as much as he was possible to do. Some dudes at Nokia, and also the criminal individual placing libFLAC into /usr/lib while this lib is needed early in boot did NOT follow the10:06
DocScrutinizersane path. This will lead to effects that made you look like your avatar :-D10:06
infobotrumour has it, mohammadag is your father10:06
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ls -l ~root/10:30
DocScrutinizerinsgesamt 26810:30
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DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r-- 1 root root      0 2010-12-04 02:49 +@10:30
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r-- 1 root root      0 2010-12-04 02:49 +@=+@=+@=+@10:30
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RST38hWell. Morning.10:34
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DocScrutinizermoo RST38h10:35
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RST38h9 days uptime. Rebooooooot.10:36
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: any idea what went wrong there:  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root      0 2010-12-04 02:49 +@=+@=+@=+@10:36
RST38hIt does appear to help to keep commonly used apps open and running though.10:36
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RST38hDoc: Looks like somebody did "touch <weird utf8 name>"10:36
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DocScrutinizeraaah UTF8, thanks10:37
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RST38hI may be wrong though10:37
DocScrutinizeryeah, quite possible10:37
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DocScrutinizerone of my beloved `cat|netcat 1234` might have contained crap plus a ^D10:38
DocScrutinizershould change my habits to `netcat 1234 <<"this-is-never-happening-is-it?"10:40
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RobbieThe1stHm... can anyone tell me what's wrong with this?:  "class Window: public QObject, public KDecorationBridgeUnstable {" error: expected class-name before ‘{’ token11:20
DocScrutinizer-8muhaha pissly errr pizzly bear11:21
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RST38hRobbie: there is some shit in that line11:22
RST38h"Window" is probably taken11:23
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DocScrutinizer-8yeah, reserved word or already used11:24
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RST38hRobbie: X11 uses "Window" for window handles.11:35
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RobbieThe1stI'm trying to compile Compiz herre11:37
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RobbieThe1stAnd I'm guessing someone made a mistake in the 0.9.2 version - kde_window_decorator ends up throwing that error11:38
RobbieThe1stAnd I don't think I know enough CPP to fix it11:38
chxyou want to run compiz on the n900?11:39
chxi want to see that11:40
RobbieThe1stNah; on my Debian desktop11:40
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RobbieThe1stI was -hoping- to get the 0.9 version running, but...11:40
chxyou got my hopes up for a second :)11:41
RobbieThe1stThat -would- be cool, wouldn't it...11:43
RobbieThe1stHeck, it might be possible later on; Wasn't one of the goals of the Compiz re-write to use OpenGL-ES functions only?11:43
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derflardman: Moo.12:28
lardmanhi derf12:28
lardmanwell I eventually got annoyed with QLists and added my params to the objects themselves12:29
lardmanand the code is much simpler tbh, but I'm trying to track down a segfault :(12:29
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lardmanthough that's better than the random QList changes values of ints problem I was having befoerhand12:30
derfvalgrind is your friend.12:30
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lardmangdb wasn't working very well12:31
lardmanI'll give valgrind a go12:31
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ieatlintvalgrind is by far the best tool for segfaults... tells you exactly where it occurred and why12:32
lardmanhmm, started snowing here again12:33
ieatlintalso great for memory leaks...12:33
lardmanone thing at a time! ;)12:33
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ieatlintit's ok, memory leaks aren't important anyway12:34
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alteregoanyone fancy voting for me package?12:36
ieatlintwhich package?12:36
alteregoNeed four more and tmo is crap12:36
ieatlintwell, i'd be happy to test it, but both of the xbox360s i own are dead after about a month12:38
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alteregoHeh, well, it has been tested :P12:39
alteregoJust vote :)12:39
ieatlintdone :P12:39
alteregothanks ^.^12:39
ieatlinti need to start threatening to mail people dongles in order for more people to be able to test my app, heh12:39
alteregoWhat app is that?12:40
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alteregoI have more dongles than chuck norris12:40
ieatlinti don't think chuck norris has this dongle12:40
ieatlintso that's a good sign12:41
alteregoJust say "vote for my app" with this pic:
ieatlintyeah, but i figure i can also find a handful of trusting souls who would give me an address to mail said dongle to... aside from having actual people testing it, it'd be nice to actually get some basic feedback12:42
alteregoneat app :)12:42
alteregoniche, but neat :D12:42
ieatlintpresently only one other person has an n900 and the dongle12:42
alteregoHah, crazy.12:42
ieatlintalso is straight qt, so the code works on symbian, linux, windows, os x..12:43
ieatlintit's like java, but somewhat less crappy12:43
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alterego:( yeah, that app you just voted was Qt/C++ and QML12:45
alteregoThat was supposed to be a smilie face ..12:45
alteregoHow much are the dongles?12:45
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alteregoAnd do you have a link to some known to work hardware?12:46
ieatlinti need to take some pics and a video so it isn't just a crappy description, heh12:46
ieatlint is someone else's pic of the dongle12:47
alteregoSo, it's a unit that plugs into headphone socket mic input presumably?12:47
ieatlint;relPath=null;fileName=tn_full.jpg is slightly better pic12:47
alteregoThat is cool12:47
ieatlintand yes, that's exactly it12:47
ieatlintaudio input12:47
alteregoI didn't even know hey existed, can I make one out of an old tape deck? :D12:48
lardmanieatlint: you wanted pdf417 didn't you?12:48
ieatlintthe dongle has an old cassette tape style head in it, and runs against the magnetic stripe12:48
ieatlintlardman: yeah12:48
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ieatlinti played with zbar a bit, but indeded the pdf417 code is not done12:48
lardmanI volunteered to take a look at that in zbar, we'll see how I get on12:48
lardmanalternatively there are some other standalone decoders out there12:48
ieatlintalterego: you can make your own, there are instructions online... was in a 2600 article a few years back even12:48
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alteregoWhich track/s can it read, it's my undedrstanding there are three?12:49
ieatlintyou need the tape head, the audio pole connector, and a resistor to prevent any feedback from the mic line going to the read head and erasing the card12:49
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ieatlintlardman: yeah, i looked at 2... one worked, but only in ideal conditions.  i was tempted to give it a real look at on zbar, but ultimately determined that i likely would not have the time to learn the zbar code and how pdf417 works and then successfully implement it12:50
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ieatlintalterego: the company that makes the pictured dongles is called squareup, and they use it as part of a mobile credit card payment system12:51
lardmanieatlint: I'll let you know how I get on12:51
alteregoWell, I might make one if I have time, but you can send me one if you like :D12:51
ieatlintthey hand out the dongles when you sign up for an account... i have friends who work there who feed me handfuls of dongles, haha12:51
ieatlintlardman: awesome12:51
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ieatlintalterego: i sent luke-jr one... and he's presumably not been attacked or anything by me.. you can totally trust me12:52
alteregoI'll PM you my address if you like12:52
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ieatlintemail is better12:52
alteregoOkay, angon12:53
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ieatlintoh, and the dongle i can provide is track 2 only... most cards contain two or three tracks (parallel lines of different data).  track 2 is numeric only data, so on a credit card it would be the card number and expiration date12:53
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alteregosent  ...12:55
ieatlintok, i'll try to get it out fri or sat..12:56
alteregoCool, so this sqauredup offer a payment service for using these dongles on mobile devices?12:56
ieatlintyeah, US only right now12:56
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alteregoThat, is truely awesome.12:57
ieatlintbut on android and iphone, it's an app.. you plug in dongle, type in the amount to charge, slide the card12:57
alteregoOh, I'm in the UK btw12:57
ieatlintyeah, that's fine12:57
ieatlintsince you slide the card, you pay the lower transaction rate for a slid card instead of a typed card, and it provides geolocation data for "security" which the customer then can see in their emailed-receipt12:57
alteregodamn, my hands are freezing, better make some breakfast and havde a shower12:58
ieatlintit's a fucking cool idea12:58
alteregoYeah, that's awsome.12:58
ieatlintbut it's run by an idiot :P12:58
ieatlintco-founder of twitter, heh12:58
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alteregomslib sounds a bit gatesish :)13:02
alteregoAnyhow, I better get on bbiab13:03
ieatlinthah :P13:03
ieatlinti'll await my c&d13:03
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crashanddieieatlint, waiting for me?13:08
ieatlintare you my c&d, baby? ;)13:08
crashanddiewell... that's what the nickname says13:08
ieatlintok, i have a week left to get xmas presents, this isn't good13:10
chem|stieatlint: if you get some more spare I would be interested in one or two, we are a bunch of n900s people over here all kind of developers (kind of as in not only or not for n900)13:17
chem|stieatlint: we are still trying to figure our door locks...13:18
ieatlintlet me count how many i have on hand right now13:18
ieatlintwell, i can say that hotel keys are typically not compatible with these dongles13:18
chem|stieatlint: no hurry on that, have you got a link handy for the dongle?13:18
ieatlinttake a look at your door key card and compare it to a credit card.  if the distance between the edge of the card and start of the stripe differs, it almost certainly will not work13:19
BCMMthis is a dongle that reads magstrips, right?13:19
BCMMi thought some hotel keycards were to a similar spec to credit cards13:19
chem|stieatlint: no the door locks we are looking at are transponder based, we sniff transmissions with soundcards and try to figure out the what happens when and how to reverse engineer13:20
chem|stBCMM: or rfid13:20
BCMMsince i had heard reports that somebody had been busted with a large number of hotel keycards, as a way of hiding cloned CCs13:20
DocScrutinizerieatlint: I'd like to give these dongles a try :-D13:20
ieatlinti've tried a few hotel key cards from vegas... the magstripes on them were aligned differently13:20
ieatlintand even if i could get it to align, it likely doesn't follow either of the two industry standard encoding schemes13:20
chem|stieatlint: you now got it runnin' for good, and testers for your app if shipped ;)13:21
ieatlint... my decoding library would decode it to bits accurately, but not to readable chars unless it follows one of the two supported encoding schemes13:21
Psi heh, latest angry birds update has a few bugs13:21
Psiyou can load levels that dont exist13:21
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: ok, let me see how many i got here13:21
ieatlinti'll ask my friends at square for another handful though, heh13:21
chem|stieatlint: just tell me when you got say 2 for me and I paypal you the shipping fee the day you know13:22
ieatlinti'm not anticipating shipping costs to be too much... they're very light and small13:23
chem|stieatlint: lets say to germany you could do a collective shipping and I distribute to the fellows13:24
chem|stieatlint: it is at least some $13:24
ieatlintyeah, might not be the worst idea13:24
ieatlinti have 4 on me now13:24
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: have you been online back in the days ppl used to send harddrives around the globe instead of uploading stuff?!13:25
ieatlint is the dongle i can give out... it's revision 2 (white, and the gold/yellow pole one that doesn't have the rounded edges)13:26
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: ooh, the stopped doing that?13:27
ieatlinti'll talk to a friend at the company and see how many she can hand off to me13:27
ieatlinti can probably ship anywhere from 5-10 out13:28
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: actualy no we didn't... only the carriage changed... 2TB nas to s/o at university (me)... or the TB disc itself...13:29
ieatlint is a high quality pic i just took of the dongles13:30
DocScrutinizerchem|st: you ever talked to laf0rge aka Harald Welte about rfid access control systems?13:30
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DocScrutinizerI recall he told me some funny details about his investigations regarding this topic, when we met in Taipei13:31
chem|stwelte... the name sounds familiar13:31
Psirfid has access control ?   hm.. who knew  :P13:31
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DocScrutinizernah, access control has rfid13:32
DocScrutinizer~seen laf0rge13:32
infobotlaf0rge <> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 408d 10h 10m 54s ago, saying: 'laf0rge sends a 'korean wave' back to rwhitby ;)'.13:32
Psihaha, 408 days13:33
Psihe cant join now, it will ruin his downtime13:33
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: we were looking at
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chem|stand as they are cheap we tried to melt down the 1st chip layer to get the challenge response algorythm, but stopped at some point where my ceo got notice of me using company resources for it (working at a thinfilm and surface analytics lab)13:43
chem|stthe procedures to dissect the chip are quiet complex13:44
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chem|stas you do not want to destroy the layer but look through it to see the second13:44
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mecewhat the shit? Is there no standard function for md5 hashing in javascript??13:49
meceah qt global pobject. yay!13:49
mecewhew. I was almost a little upset there. :)13:50
DocScrutinizerchem|st: hehe13:51
DocScrutinizerchem|st: you know GDR has produced a Z80 chip clone, produced from some 10 or 20 Zilog Z80 smuggled over the iron curtain and got cut into slices and analyzed with an electron microscope :-D13:53
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DocScrutinizerthey came up with a instruction set datasheet done by RE from chip, that had some "secret" new instructions Zilog never mentioned13:54
DocScrutinizerof coursae, as the clone was an exact copy, the datasheet was aplicable to original Zilog chips as well13:55
alteregoNeed two more votes13:56
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: would you like to vote for my app? :)13:57
* alterego suspects he knows the answer already13:57
DocScrutinizeron my way13:57
alteregoYay :)13:57
Arkenoihuh? mag stripe reading dongles? where can i get one? i was looking for it for a few weeks but was unable to find one13:58
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lardmanieatlint: you'll have to start charging soon! ;)13:59
DocScrutinizeralterego: errr, which page? I see ONE vote14:00
ieatlintlardman: huh, normally it's the other way around14:00
DocScrutinizersorry, I need to test this one prior to voting for it14:00
alteregoOkay then14:00
zapX-Fade: hi! how it's going? :)14:01
alteregoTmo thread is a list of all the issues that people have been having14:01
alteregoNamely one, (the buttons are apparently too small)14:01
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: would be nice though if you can validate my method of adding/removing lircd config14:02
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alteregoAnd sudoers14:02
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DocScrutinizerk, I could probably have a look at the sources and vote based on that. I guess that's still better than what most "testers" do14:03
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Arkenoiso is there any source for the dongles? i posted a blog entry asking where can i buy one, there was quite a long discussion and the bottom line was "we do not know, make it yourself"14:04
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, i voted based on the fact that voting is retarded and only makes promotion slower14:05
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MohammadAGalterego, you owe me a vote14:06
DocScrutinizeralterego: *COUGH*14:06
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ieatlintArkenoi: i'm not aware of any place that makes the dongles for sale14:07
BCMMalterego: you can tell be the extremely questionable choice of typefaces14:07
alteregoI thought we'd already discussed this, that vote was a favour towards the tonnes of help I give you in regards to Qt and development :P14:07
DocScrutinizerexcept ebay I guess :-P14:07
infobotBCMM meant: alterego: you can tell by the extremely questionable choice of typefaces14:07
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ieatlintalterego: this is the gift to get a web developer:
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MohammadAGalterego, I've yet to the commit I was promixed :P14:08
alteregoGood point :P14:09
MohammadAGalso, someone should photoshop that to "Trust me, I use Qt Designer"14:09
alteregoSorry, I've been quite busyp promise I'll look at it tomorrow ;)14:09
BCMMnah, "trust me, i'm Qt Designer"14:09
BCMMyou'd need a font that was both scifi "computer-ish", and creepy14:09
alteregoieatlint: page doesn't load for me, just plain white ..14:09
ieatlinthaha, that's extra win then14:10
DocScrutinizer"trust me, I'm DocScrutinizer" HAH, now I know what to write to my wishlist14:10
ieatlintthat should work14:10
Arkenoithere should be a source where squareup gets it? i doubt they make it by themselves.14:11
alteregoOh, hah, thass good :)14:11
ieatlintArkenoi: they do14:11
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alteregoWhat ahppened to all the super testers?14:12
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MohammadAGalterego, it was a retarded concept, I thought qwerty12's rant already got that point across :P14:13
DocScrutinizeralterego: Exec=/opt/usr/bin/xbox360-media-remote ?? no way!14:14
alteregoDocScrutinizer: ?14:14
alteregoYou don't like the path? :P14:15
DocScrutinizeryou got /opt/usr/bin in your $PATH?14:15
alteregoDon't blame me for how Qt creator does packaging ...14:15
* alterego 's excuse14:15
DocScrutinizerthen make a symlink from /usr/bin/xboxfoo to /opt/usr/bin/xboxfoo14:15
alteregopfft, why?14:15
ieatlintso i'll try and get a bunch more dongles and then will try and offer anyone who i recognise in here a dongle if they wish14:16
alteregoIt works as its' intended to work.14:16
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DocScrutinizerk, vote down from me then. Doesn't work when invoked via ssh -X14:16
alteregoit does when you specify the correct path :P14:17
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DocScrutinizerthe point is I'm not supposed to even know the "correct path"14:17
alteregoExactly so don't complain about what you're not meant to know :P14:18
DocScrutinizerYou asked for it - you get your vote14:18
alteregoFine be like that then14:18
alteregoYou're just being ridiculous :P14:18
DocScrutinizeryou're just being ignorant and lazy14:19
alteregoLazy, possibly, ignorant? that's bullshit14:19
alteregoI knew the path14:19
DocScrutinizeryou know a shit about PATH14:20
alteregoThe app doesn't require $PATH14:20
DocScrutinizertzz, see^^^14:20
DocScrutinizerno app is allowed to require $PATH14:20
alteregopatches welcome for v214:20
DocScrutinizer$PATH is for *user*14:21
alteregoI'm not going to chnage it for you14:21
DocScrutinizeryou're not changing it for ME, you're changing it to show you're not a luser14:21
DocScrutinizerwho knows a shit about unix14:22
alteregoI'm not changing it because it doesn't matter14:22
DocScrutinizerif your app doesn't matter, so why bother about it at all?14:22
alteregoThe app is supposed to be run from .desktop, don't like it, deal with it. Would you rather I did what everyone else does and install to some vendor specific dir under opt for every app and added a million items to your $PATH?14:23
ieatlintwow.. "Now users of its One Plan tariff can get 2,000 any-network voice minutes, 5,000 Three-to-Three minutes, 5,000 texts and any amount of data for £25 a month." .. that's insanely cheap compared to the prices i pay14:23
lardmanI've no clue how I could even use 2k minutes a month14:24
lardman5k sms, how...?14:24
ieatlintlardman: teenage girls14:24
MohammadAGmost apps developed with maemo in mind use /opt to launch14:24
lardmanI should sms teenage girls, yeah I guess that would do it14:24
BCMMlardman: use SMS like instant messaging...14:24
DocScrutinizeralterego: you're more ignorant than I thought14:25
BCMM(assuming you first use IM like a teenage girl does)14:25
ieatlintto get unlimited minutes, sms and data on my carrier would be $10014:25
BCMMi mean, half of those 5k are just "lol" or a smiley14:25
* lardman prefers to just use data and real IM if that's the need14:25
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lardmanBCMM: yes that's true14:25
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, when you install something in /opt on Ubuntu, can you launch it without a path?14:26
alteregoDocScrutinizer: seriously, I'm not going to add it now, because its' minor, doesn't effect normal usage and doesn't matter14:26
BCMMbasically, if somebody else is paying, SMS is just a type of instant messaging...14:26
DocScrutinizerprobably not, because when I install anything to buntkuh, I must have got a shot to my brain first to even do that14:26
alteregoI'll add it to v2 for you, your complaint is noticed, but I'm not changing it now. Vote down and stop calling me ignorant just because we have a difference of opinion.14:27
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, when you install something in /opt on openSUSE, can you launch it without a path?14:28
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DocScrutinizerit *is* ignorant to call failing tab-expansion in shell, failing manpage integration as there's no proper path for the manpage, even uttering nonsense about "adding shit to $PATH" while that's exactly what's not meant to be done...14:28
DocScrutinizeroh my... nevermind14:28
MohammadAGon that note14:29
MohammadAGhow are arguments tabbed in some cli binaries?14:29
alteregoDocScrutinizer: submit a but against PR1.3 about it, or Qt maemo14:29
MohammadAGfew do it, rpm is one14:29
alteregoIt's not my place to fix Qt Creators default install variables.14:30
alteregoPersonally I think its' neater than what most do, especially in regards to fscking symlinks in /usr/bin !14:30
MohammadAGFHS applies to an FS with no retarded duct taped /opt14:31
DocScrutinizerand please stop to try teach me how to do proper system config, by quoting bad example14:31
alteregoWhat config?14:32
alteregoYou don't need to config anything14:32
alteregoIt works as is intended.14:33
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that's BS. FHS *is*, it's the duct tape fs that doesn't comply with FHS, due to ignorants that think it's enough of an excuse there is such duct tape shit, so they can add even more shit14:33
ieatlintgeek arguments aren't that exciting :(14:33
DocScrutinizeralterego: do yourself a favour and stop arguing in that way14:33
alteregoMaybe not how you'd like it, but arguing about this is just a waste of both of our time. Vote it down, I don't care.14:33
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DocScrutinizer"why connect protective earth, it WORKS as expected" - meh, c'mon. Really you should all be ashamed to enter such level of argumentation14:37
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chem|stieatlint: ty14:39
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ieatlintjust repay me by trying the code i wrote, and if practical making a comment about it on something like twitter or a blog14:40
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ieatlinttrying to get a job programming, and increasing exposure of code i wrote will help i think :P14:41
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chem|stieatlint: sure14:44
chem|stieatlint: did you specialice in anything yet14:44
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> ll `which eagle`14:45
lardmandon't worry just Eng vs American14:45
DocScrutinizerlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 25. Apr 2008  /usr/bin/eagle -> /opt/eagle/bin/eagle14:45
chem|stnot even uk ppl don't know about the difference anymore14:45
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> echo $PATH14:45
ieatlintuh, i've been using C for years, intermediate with GTK and Qt14:46
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chem|stieatlint: mind to move?14:46
lardmanchem|st: that's the insidious use of M$ Word and not being able to disable US-Eng dictionary14:46
ieatlint*nix environments a lot.. have experience with a bunch of random libs14:46
chem|stlardman: and media!14:46
ieatlintwould probably be an issue to move :P14:46
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: /opt/kde3/bin meets the requirement of "large packets" that are allowed to do this14:46
ieatlintincluding that whole work visa/permit thing14:46
lardmanchem|st: internet yeah, but they still spell correctly in the newspapers14:46
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ieatlintplus, assuming you mean to .de, my german is pretty fucking terrible14:47
chem|stieatlint: you are uk citizen?14:47
ieatlintnah, i'm in california14:47
jacekowskigood for you14:48
jacekowskiyou should have to wait in queues for visa14:48
jacekowskiand then speak to imigration officers at airports14:48
jacekowskiand sometimes be returned without any reason14:48
chem|stieatlint: ah ok14:48
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ieatlintand you should get bitchy at me because i happen to be in a country that has controversial policies, and simply assume that i support them14:49
jacekowskiyou were born there14:49
chem|stjacekowski: thats what they do in cuba... they have an extra line just for usa peops14:49
ieatlintyeah, that was a regrettable decision of mine, wasn't it?14:50
lardmanin the UK you seem to get into the country faster if you're not from the UK14:51
chem|stieatlint: you should get out of there and see the world for once14:51
chem|stlardman: and out as well...14:51
lardmani.e. lots of staff on the non-UK/Euro desks14:51
derflardman: I noticed that, too.14:51
ieatlinti have... been to europe ~10 times...14:51
lardmanmakes me proud to be British :p14:51
ieatlintvisited ~15 countries in europe..14:52
jacekowskilardman: you just have to run to border before anybody else gets there14:52
jacekowskilardman: and then it takes 30s14:52
lardmannah, they always have a backlog on the UK/Euro desk afaict14:52
jacekowskiieatlint: well, in europe there is no borders14:52
ieatlintand i generally specify that i'm from california and not the US for that specific reason14:52
chem|stlardman: wouldn't be too proud of that... (I feel a bit yorkshire'ish)14:52
ieatlintjacekowski: well, having been stopped at several of them, that's news to me14:52
alteregoDocScrutinizer: can you point me to extras testing policy for a mention of PATH integration plox14:53
ieatlintin fact, i was stopped and searched driving into france once14:53
chem|stieatlint: you got an austrian as gouv?!14:53
alteregoAnd any docs that state FHS compliance in maemo14:53
ieatlintchem|st: indeed... but only until january 414:53
chem|stieatlint: who is next?14:53
* alterego should probably not feed the troll :)14:54
ieatlintjacekowski: oh, and btw, i'm in san francisco, the most left-wing major city in the US... so try and tell me that i'm an evil hating american :P14:54
ieatlintchem|st: guy named jerry brown14:54
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chem|stieatlint: sounds 'right'14:54
DocScrutinizeralterego: can you point me to any docs declaring ASCII as the primary encoding used in maemo? Please stop it now. I'm seriously bored about your insisting in doing your fancy little shit the wrong way, and then even claiming it's OK14:55
jacekowskiekhm, asci is so 20 years ago14:55
ieatlintchem|st: nah, jerry brown is left... he's pro-gay marriage (same as our current governator), and was also governor back in the 1970s when he was famous for trying to stop the death penalty14:55
alteregoNice argument DocScrutinizer14:56
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chem|stjacekowski: and why do I have an ascii cahr table just in front of me?14:56
alteregoI would have thought adhering to extras testing policy would be enough14:56
jacekowskichem|st: because it's partialy compatible with utf-814:56
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chem|stieatlint: so he's going to try that again?14:57
VenemoMohammadAG: I got a 5 for my homework! :P14:57
alteregoAnyhow gotta dash14:57
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chem|stback to the roots!14:57
ieatlintchem|st: the death penalty thing? ... sadly, no14:57
jacekowskiwhich death penalty thing?14:57
MohammadAGVenemo, congrats, told you you'll be fine :D14:57
jacekowskibtw. do you know that US has highest incarceration rate14:57
ieatlintjacekowski: are you seriously going to do this?14:58
jacekowskiand it's something extremly high like 1% of total population is in prison14:58
chem|stgovernator lost his "key to the city" and special citizenship back home because he did not deny one14:58
ieatlintdo you seek out an american tourist and try to hold them accountable for their government's actions?14:58
ieatlintchem|st: yeah, arnold is not against the death penalty14:58
jacekowskinah i don't care14:58
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lardmanhmm, /me is slightly worries that the actions of ones country are being taken out on a single person14:59
ieatlinti could sit here insulting france, which is just as trendy, but somehow i don't think you're the one telling sarkozy what to do14:59
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chem|stieatlint: there is a law school team bumping old files of death penalty and proof most of them wrong...15:00
ieatlintchem|st: yeah, i fully agree that it's inhumane...15:01
ieatlintwe last executed someone in california in 2005... but i think one is scheduled for january :(15:01
chem|stthats the courts fault not the guy's who is for death penalty15:02
ieatlintnot just the court15:02
chem|stthey do that jsut to proof that lots of people are imprissoned not guilty15:02
ieatlintthe prosecutor has to ask for it, the jury has to unanimously vote for it, and the judge has to accept it15:02
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chem|stieatlint: that's what I meant by court15:03
derfYou can't be "for" a policy without also being for the system used to execute that policy.15:03
derfThe two are not independent.15:03
ieatlintwell, i'm happily against the death penalty, and happy to live in a city that has a policy to never use it ... and somehow it doesn't affect our murder rate15:05
lardmanthis is an old one, /me looks at the #maemo achive to save arguing again :)15:06
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ieatlinti'm sure we can list off some other controversial topics15:06
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chem|stsure... sex with furniture15:08
GAN900jacekowski, drug laws.15:08
DocScrutinizerFHS :-P15:08
ieatlintchem|st: plenty of that going on around here15:08
GAN900jacekowski, responsible for the vast majority of those incarcerations.15:08
GAN900Could fix the deficit if you legalized most stuff today.15:09
ieatlintthere we go, one of the more recent controversial topics15:09
ieatlintwe decriminalized it at least15:09
ieatlintup to 1oz (28.5grams -- more than 5 times the amount holland allows)15:10
DocScrutinizerieatlint: the blue crosses on your blog pics are hard to spot15:11
ieatlintyeah, i should go look at gnuplot settings to figure out how to make them bigger, or use a different graphing tool15:11
DocScrutinizerieatlint: I hope you use a moving window algo (i.e. a fifo for the last n samples) to create that offset graph in your lib15:12
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ieatlintnot sure what you mean15:13
trxcan anyone tell me what is the linux function that does the same as keybd_event on windows?15:13
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ieatlinti don't copy the data to make the offset if that's what you mean15:13
ieatlinti also implemented another method for decoding that doesn't use an offset, but i haven't made a blog post about it15:14
pablo2Possible through icon to send the notification area?15:15
DocScrutinizerbool crossing(x){return (graph[x] == fifo[offset]}15:15
ieatlintto do the offset method, i just have two iterators for the same data (an s16le array), one starts at 0 and one starts at N15:15
ieatlintmore like i=0, offset=3; crossing( data[i], data[i+offset] )15:16
ieatlint line 10915:17
DocScrutinizerfifo[x] = graph[x - offset]15:17
ieatlintthat's my equiv for your crossing() func, and line 116 is the function that calls that as it traverses the array15:17
DocScrutinizeryeah, I think we say the same15:17
ieatlintmy other method just absolute-values all the numbers, and whenever data[i] < data[i-1] it records it15:19
ieatlintignoring any that occur under a threshold of say 30015:19
ieatlintand i'm referring to amplitude for the values with all this15:20
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ieatlinti then follow the documented system on the blog... all valid peaks are an opposite polarity from the previous one, so i just group by polarity and pick the highest amplitude from each group15:21
ieatlintand that code is straight c89, so it works on pretty much any system (tested on osx, windows, linux, symbian)15:21
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Justusis it possible to flip the screen of the n900 horizontally and vertically?16:48
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pupnikanybody want to test latest for omap316:53
andre__Justus: yes and no. what do you want to do?16:53
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trxis there something like sticky keys in maemo?17:42
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andre__trx: shift and blue arrow on the keyboard?17:46
trxim trying to emulate that behavior, when you once press shift, it stays pressed until a key stroke in my application17:47
trxso far no luck with any method i tried :/17:47
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nomistrx: uh, it works that way for me - e.g. in the notes application.17:50
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trxdoesnt work for me as im using GTK2 and custom controls (lazarus LCL (fpc))17:52
trxtrouble is, i can send a key stroke to my memo field17:52
trxbut cant send Shift+key stroke17:52
luke-jrstop using GTK crap!17:52
trxi would if i could17:53
trxbut i dont want to create gui by code17:53
trxwhen i can just place components on a form..17:53
jasuarezandre__: is there possible that more than one people can handle bugs in a maemo project?17:54
nomisluke-jr: hah, I nearly fell for your trolling attempt.17:55
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andre__jaska, how do you mean?17:56
andre__argh. sorry. ^ jasuarez17:56
andre__(damn autocomplete)17:57
jasuarezI'm working in the project with other guy, but he's able to change bugs related that project17:57
jasuarezbut I can't17:57
jasuarezif i check my permissions, it says i have access to bugs17:57
andre__well, which one, so I can check?17:58
andre__and "change bugs" is also a bit... vague ;-)17:58
andre__let me see17:58
jasuarezthank you17:58
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andre__jasuarez, can you try again? looks like I had marked you as seriesfinale dev, but without editbugs permissions :-(18:00
jasuarezandre__: thanks! it works fine18:01
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MohammadAGalterego, it might be easier to add the link to your signature in red and bold18:10
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luke-jrtrx: bad joke? GTK is GUI-by-code; Qt has always been about visual design18:13
trxnot in lazarus18:13
luke-jrwtf is lazarus nonsense?18:14
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luke-jrin any case, Qt > GTK always18:14
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trxi really dont care what is >18:14
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trxi care about functionality18:15
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nomisluke-jr: do you have some kind of evidence for that statement?18:18
luke-jrnomis: anything GTK can do, Qt already does better18:18
* MohammadAG suggests an example18:18
MohammadAGDBus in C and C++/Qt18:19
MohammadAGhave fun18:19
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Jaffaluke-jr: And, let me guess, vim is always better than emacs; and C++ is *always* better than Java?18:19
DocScrutinizerandre__: :-D18:19
* Jaffa resists a childish Star Wars quote about absolutes.18:19
nomisMohammadAG: hah, and how is GTK+ related to DBus?  :18:19
luke-jrJaffa: as much as I hate C++, it is definitely always better than Java ☺18:19
MohammadAGit isn't, I just brought up a fail example :P18:19
nomisyeah, and C is always better than C++. And I mean that.18:20
luke-jrMohammadAG: it doesn't prove anything18:20
luke-jrnomis: but GTK isn't C18:20
nomisluke-jr: how so?18:20
luke-jrit's "omg let's reinvent C++ using C syntax!"18:20
Jaffaluke-jr: You don't seem sure...18:20
nomisluke-jr: the compile times suggest otherwise.18:20
luke-jrnomis: that's unrelated to language18:20
lcukpsst luke-jr - C++ is OMG lets reinvent objects using C syntax18:20
nomisluke-jr: and it is a stock C compiler, (which in turn is not true for Qt and C++ btw.)18:21
luke-jrlcuk: C++ is the initial extension ☺18:21
luke-jrnomis: Qt isn't C++18:21
nomisluke-jr: I know that.18:21
luke-jrnomis: when you change core language constructs, you have a new language18:21
luke-jrboth GTK and Qt do that18:21
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nomisluke-jr: you don't need some proprietary preprocessor thingie to transform Gtk+-code into C that works with GCC.18:22
luke-jrthe fact that they are commonly implemented in C and C++ is no more relevant than the fact that Python is implemented in C18:22
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GAN900Why do the Android trolls always seem to come out in force on Talk. . . .18:22
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nomisluke-jr: and I challenge you to show me some piece of code of the GTK+ library that is *not* C.18:23
nomis(apart from language bindings of course)18:23
pupnikgtk we hardly knew ye18:23
luke-jrnomis: that's because GTK has crappy syntax ☺18:23
luke-jrand, I argue that you do18:23
trxalso, if you all know what is better, please, have a look at my question, and if possible give me a suggestion...18:23
luke-jrit just happens to be part of the C standard18:23
luke-jrI doubt GTK would work well without the C preprocessor18:23
luke-jrnomis: irrelevant18:23
luke-jralso, Qt is *faster* at least at runtime18:24
luke-jr(slow compiles are of course a fault of your compiler)18:24
nomisluke-jr: slow compiles is a fault of the broken design of C++.18:24
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: that's BS. Qt isn't changing anything of C++18:24
pupnikin what way is qt faster?  can this be qualified further luke-jr ?18:24
nomisDocScrutinizer: you need a proprietary preprocessor for the signal/slot extensions to "C++".18:25
DocScrutinizerI know18:25
nomis"proprietary" in the sense of "Qt-specific".18:25
DocScrutinizerstill it's a full C++, just with extensions18:26
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nomisDocScrutinizer: no, the language the programmer writes is not C++, since it contains syntax elements alien to C++.18:26
DocScrutinizerso Qt doesn't *change* C++, it just augments it18:26
lcukJaffa, ping18:26
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nomissorry, I tend to be touchy on that subect.18:28
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thpandre__: Is "Fixed in Harmattan" new or was bug 5402 just the first one where I saw it?18:55
povbotBug Image Viewer missing rubber-banding (bounce) effect18:55
andre__thp, just the first one you saw.18:55
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GAN900thp, pretty sure those started last year. :P19:10
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MohammadAGbut they haven't been used a lot19:15
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andre__maybe because Harmattan is still too vague. ;-)19:15
lardmanyes vague it is19:16
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DocScrutinizer51btw could someone pst me an example codeline where Qt is introducing nin C++ syntax elements?19:54
DocScrutinizer51except from those used in GUI designer files19:54
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crashanddieOur customers and IT teams have been reporting voice-call issues (hashing, accelerated voice, lost calls) on our VoIP server19:56
crashanddieI just stress tested a machine similar to our production machines (dual quad core 3Ghz, 8Gb RAM), by making it compute random floating point divisions, starving it off RAM and killing the IO (dd, I love you)19:57
Venemoalterego: I got a 5 for the puzzle app :)19:57
alteregoYeah, I saw earlier as I was logging off, well done! :)19:57
crashanddieand the 30 calls I had going from my machine kept going without a drop in the packet rate until *after* sshd had crashed19:57
alteregoOut of 5  presumably? :)19:57
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Venemoalterego: will upload to -devel today :)19:58
alteregoSweet :)19:58
* alterego sets up a debian VM19:58
Venemoalterego: the teacher said he likes it so much that he'll install it to his own N900 :P19:59
alteregoHeh;, very cool :D19:59
crashanddieIn other words, I'm at a loss to explain why our teams are seeing issues with the product, when even in the harshest conditions, the server is running better than expected... If anyone has ideas I could analyse, I'm all ears19:59
Venemocrashanddie: did you test it from the local network or remotely?20:00
Venemothen my idea is not good20:00
crashanddieI had 10 calls go through the PSTN network, 20 going through VoIP, 10 of those through different ISPs20:01
Venemo(I thought it may be caused by networking equipment... routers etc)20:01
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crashanddieVenemo, I'm still not ruling that one out20:01
crashanddieVenemo, we have "audiocodes", machines that get calls from the PSTN network, and translate it to SIP20:02
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crashanddieit could be coming from those20:02
Venemoare you sure that you gave the test machine as much traffic as the server gets when they're reporting the issues?20:03
alteregoShould probably make dinner in a bit, my gf is at a work do tonight so I'm gonna watch Inception and do some hacking :)20:03
Venemodo you trust your gf this much?20:03
alteregoTo do what?20:04
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Venemowho knows what could happen with her while she 'works' this late20:04
alteregowork christmas party :P20:04
crashanddieVenemo, not really, the problem is the issue is random -- some of our servers have 600 simultaneous calls and have issues, whereas others (exact replica of hardware, same network, same software) handle 2000 simultaneous calls and have no issues whatsoever20:04
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alteregoShe's with a load of boring dentist types, what culd possibly happen?! :)20:05
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Venemoalterego: okay :P20:05
crashanddiealterego, "oral exam"?20:05
Venemocrashanddie: sounds like a networking issue to me20:05
Venemocrashanddie: as if a router, or a switch, or a simple network cable was the problem20:05
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Venemocrashanddie: the other possibility is that the issue is caused on the client side software20:06
crashanddieit all goes over PSTN basically20:06
crashanddiewell, 90% of the calls do20:07
alteregovm installed, not to install all the dev crap I need, mysql, ruby, ruby on rails blah blah20:08
Venemoalterego: I'll also promote my app to -testing, and you're at my debt at voting on it :P20:08
crashanddiealterego, what are you installing?20:08
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alteregodebian + ruby on rails into a VM so I can develop this site for a contract I've got, then I should be easily able to upload it to my production server when its' finished/testable.20:09
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lardmanhmm, 14.8Mb worth of package lists20:12
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Venemocrashanddie: well then I'm out of ideas20:13
Venemocrashanddie: maybe a colleague of yours forgets to turn off his torrent client when he goes to the VPN20:13
Venemocrashanddie: (happened where I worked)20:13
lardmanhmm, so where's the arm version of valgrind to be found?20:14
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crashanddielardman, it doesn't exist20:15
lardmanI thought it had been patched to work20:15
crashanddieI'd like to see that20:15
lardmanme too20:15
crashanddieconsidering that valgrind doesn't even work on OSX20:15
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lcuklardman, crashanddie
crashanddiewell fuck me20:17
crashanddielcuk, nice20:17
lcuktmo: useful, sometimes.20:18
lardmanno-one has actually packaged it for fremantle though20:19
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lardmanlol, even the flashing "there;s upgrades pending" icon in the systray can't manage to keep temp with apt running installing something20:24
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lardmanis it common to loose printf's if you output them just before a segfault occurs?20:31
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alteregoYou can flush though, also make sure you have a newline at the end of your output20:35
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lardmannewline flushes, or do I need to call something?20:35
lardmanhmm actually these are qDebug outputs so might be different anyway20:36
toggleslardman: it's common, newline doesn't always flush, use: printf("xxx\n");fflush(0);20:37
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togglessubstitute qdebug for printf if you like, make sure there is a \n or it probably wont come out20:38
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lardmanqDebug << blah << flush; apparently, we'll see20:38
togglesrock on20:39
lardmanwell segfault on in my case ;)20:39
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togglescore on!20:40
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lardmanhmm, that didn't seem to work20:40
lardmanor perhaps it did, must add some more lines20:40
togglesfflush(0); // flushes every fiel handle20:41
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spiritdwhere can i manualy edit repositories?20:46
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Venemospiritd: /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.ld/20:46
Venemospiritd: sorry, the latter is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/20:47
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spiritdVenemo once i edited /etc/apt/sources.list.ld/ ... than ran app manager... and file was overwritten by app20:47
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ioanI have a problem with App Manager, it fails to update Ovi and Nokia repositories. Is this just on my N900 or you guys have this problem too?20:50
spiritdioan what your firmware?20:51
spiritdi have new N900 and had first one... same problem... but i updated to PR1.3 and np20:51
ioanI have pr1.3, and the update worked fine until yesterday20:52
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lardmanhmm, my fprintfs + fflush don't generate anything in the fn that gdb reckons was causing my segfault, is that again a common occurrance?20:56
togglesif you corrupt the stack...20:57
lardmanhmm, ok20:58
togglesdo you have any idea where it might be happening?20:58
lardmanwell gdb points to a function call into the Qt libraries20:58
lardmanand I know where that is called20:59
togglesyou put a printf();fflush(0); before it?20:59
togglescan you run it under gdb and breakpoint there?20:59
lardmanhmm, am half asleep was writing to file, let me check that21:00
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lardmanok, so I get some output now, thanks toggles21:02
lardmanI think this might stem back to my trying to sort a list of objects21:03
lardmanthe objects being in a QList21:03
lardmanand my implementing an operator< for the object in question21:03
ioanok, my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty. isn't that the file that should have all the repositories?21:04
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lardmanis there a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?21:06
ioanyes, but if I try to vi, I get "sources.list.d not a regular file"21:07
lardmanyeah it's a dir21:07
lardmansee what's in it21:07
ioanhildon-application-manager.list, with the repositories that I use inside21:09
lardmanit may be the repos are down21:10
ioanhold on. the app manager update just started working :-)21:10
spiritdcan you post here default web repositories for PR1.3?21:10
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spiritdwell what the difference between "fremantle-1.3" "fremantle"21:12
ioanI have no idea21:12
MohammadAGit's just a symlink21:13
MohammadAGthey're same21:13
MohammadAGdon't change everything to -1.321:13
spiritdi did :D21:14
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spiritddeb ./21:15
spiritddeb ./21:15
spiritddeb ./21:15
spiritddeb fremantle free non-free21:15
spiritddeb fremantle free non-free21:15
spiritddeb fremantle free non-free21:15
spiritdso "fremantle-1.3" ---> "fremantle" ... right?21:15
MohammadAG1.3 -> fremantle-1.2 I think21:16
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spiritdMohammadAG ... can you post yours list?21:17
MohammadAGdeb ./21:17
MohammadAGdeb fremantle-1.3 free non-free21:17
MohammadAGthe rest are the same21:17
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spiritdis there some documentaion regarding to this? reporistories? default setup, used files21:19
spiritdetc ?21:19
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pupnikis it true that 1.3 uses more battery?21:20
lardmannot imho21:20
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spiritdpupnik we can test it... what firmware you have?21:21
MohammadAGit does rape the battery while charging though21:21
* MohammadAG suggests kernel-power21:21
lardmanyou need to flash a different kernel21:21
lardmanI'm surprised we've not had an immediate update to fix that.....21:22
pupnikit was just random chatter spiritd ... not based on any intelligent analysis21:22
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spiritdso i edited hildon-application-manager.list ... but app manager overwrited that21:41
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RST38hSooo, anything exciting?21:46
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spiritdhow the fck it works21:51
MohammadAGsome other configuration file21:52
MohammadAGforgot where it is21:52
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MohammadAGstring hildon-application-manager-config21:52
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lardmanany OO gurus about?21:57
DocScrutinizerlardman: when did we ever have immediate fixes to any core components?21:58
lardmanDocScrutinizer: well yeah, but this is pretty fundamental, one can but hope21:58
lardmanor rather could but have hoped21:58
spiritdMohammadAG is there some process tracing application? i d like to know which file application access21:59
MohammadAGjust string it, the directory is probably hardcoded, like mce xD21:59
DocScrutinizerwell, that's been an evergreen topic with Nokia, to them change their release policy22:00
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lardmancan a class inheriting from another access public members? I assume so22:01
ShadowJKlardman, I use fprintf(stderr, "blah") for debugging.. stderr is less buffered by default :)22:01
lardmanShadowJK: good call22:01
lardmanthough I think I've now narrowed it down and am trying to work out what I've done to break things22:02
lardmanadding public members to a class that is otherwise virtual is top of my heap22:02
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DocScrutinizerbtw 6d 14h uptime with xchat running is quite nice for that N810 that constantly rebooted before I swapped the batery22:04
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: ^^22:04
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: talking about batery and contacts - lead and tin should wipe away easily with something like e.g. HCl, while gold never will22:07
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* DocScrutinizer curses "t" key for not accepting double-hits22:08
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: In practice, it just worked when I squeezed the batery contacts together22:10
DocScrutinizereeeek it's contagious22:11
* DocScrutinizer treats his "t" key with hard radiation and ethanol22:12
DocScrutinizernot any beter, but at least I can find the key in the dark now :-P22:14
jaskawaste of ethanol!22:15
alteregoI'd forgotten how cool rails is to use :)22:16
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* MohammadAG stabs DocScrutinizer's "t"22:18
spiritdMohammadAG strace, string... dont have these commands in n900?22:18
alteregoStill not voted DocScrutinizer ?22:18
spiritdno ?22:18
spiritdnot ?22:18
MohammadAGspiritd, binutils for strings, strace is in the tools repo22:19
spiritdMohammadAG is there some n900 emulation software for PC?22:20
infobotmethinks maemosdk is
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ioanwhat's the name of that application that takes a picture and then translates the text?22:25
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xnt14ioan: phototranslator22:27
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ioanxnt14: thanks22:28
xnt14ioan: no problem22:28
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DocScrutinizerduh, I wonder where I missed that. Had it "in a former life"22:31
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alteregonyurgh, -5 degrees now :/22:36
MohammadAGalterego, damn you111!!!122:38
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* MohammadAG wants cold weather too22:38
alteregoIf you enjoy black death ice :P22:38
alteregoOh bawlz22:38
alteregodatetime field doesn't have usec precision22:39
MohammadAGtime for a custom widget!22:41
MohammadAGalterego, when you told me about the lists like ones in the mediaplayer, did you say inherit, or make a whole new custom one?22:41
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alteregoI said, you need to create a new delegate :P22:42
alteregoYou should the normal QListView thingy22:43
alterego~use ..22:43
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MohammadAGwhat's a delegate o_O22:45
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VenemoMohammadAG: it is a programming concept22:46
backwards_is this a good place to ask noobie questions?22:46
MohammadAGalterego, I'm already using a QListItemWidget22:46
Venemobackwards_: it is22:46
VenemoMohammadAG:  see
MohammadAGQListWidget even22:47
backwards_I put some package on my n900 and I should do "cd /home/.." in terminal. But it says "can't cd to /home/..."22:47
backwards_what am I doing wrong22:48
pupnikcd /home22:48
MohammadAGProbably mistyped a character, and note that unix is case sensitive22:48
pupnikcd /home/user22:48
MohammadAGpupnik, I think he means /home/rest/of/path22:48
backwards_it was "cd /home/user/packages"22:48
MohammadAGdoes /home/user/packages exist?22:49
pupnikls /home/user22:49
backwards_yes, I think so22:49
backwards_I put the folder "user" in the top folder in my n90022:50
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backwards_then that is /home/user right?22:50
pupnikcalling it a folder shows us you are dangerous22:50
backwards_how come?22:50
pupnikbecause in unix it's called a directory22:50
backwards_sorry :/ got much to learn22:51
pupnikyes some basics about the linux/unix/maemo filesystem would help22:51
pupnikit's a "tree" structure22:51
pupnikthe top is called "root" and referenced with "/"22:52
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pupnikin the root directory there's a directory called "home"22:52
pupnikin the home directory there's a directory called "user"22:52
MohammadAGand in that, there's MyDocs22:52
pupnikyou don't want to be putting things in "home" or "/"22:52
MohammadAGthe "root" exposed over USB22:52
pupnikahh MohammadAG is good22:53
MohammadAGso you probably put it in /home/user/MyDocs/home/user22:53
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pupnikor /home/user/MyDocs/user22:53
backwards_I didn't see home22:53
MohammadAGit isn't exported over USB22:53
backwards_just asumed the top directory where all is placed was home22:54
MohammadAGuse ssh or moved it22:54
MohammadAGor use filebox (BE CAREFUL!!)22:54
backwards_but then how do I move it to home?22:55
backwards_or how do I make home visable?22:55
MohammadAGmv somedir /home/22:55
MohammadAGyou can't make it visiable over UsB22:55
backwards_but even on phone it's not visable now22:55
MohammadAGnight anyways22:56
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Sicelobackwards_: you still have your N900 connected to USB, perhaps?22:57
backwards_to charger tho22:57
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backwards_top directory is Nokia N900/22:58
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backwards_should there be home under "Nokia N900/" ?22:59
spiritdno top i /22:59
andre__no. you end in MyDocs listed as top22:59
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spiritdthats nice on this "phone" you can go lower if you want23:00
backwards_I don't even see MyDocs anywhere23:01
spiritdinstall filebox23:01
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andre__backwards_, it is mounted as / on your PC computer23:01
Venemobackwards_: what do you want to achieve exactly?23:01
spiritd ... N900 is /home/user/MyDocs23:01
spiritd"Nokia N900/" is /home/user/MyDocs  ------fixed23:02
backwards_well, I wanted to install something and it told me to put it from my pc on to /home/úser/mypackages23:03
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backwards_I thought I had to put /user/mypackages under Nokia N900/ But then "cd /home/user/mypackages" doesn't work23:04
andre__and "something" is...?23:04
Sicelobackwards_: you will find this helpful...
backwards_Bluetooth BPAP23:04
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spiritdSicelo nice link --- look at that backwards_23:04
andre__backwards_, where are the instructions that you want to follow?23:05
backwards_But I guess I understand a big part more already23:06
backwards_didn't know I was already in /home/user so I made a new directory called user in there23:06
andre__actually you are in /home/user/MyDocs probably23:07
andre__if you use the X terminal, "pwd" tells you which directory you are in23:07
backwards_pwd tells /home/user23:08
andre__ah, ok23:08
alteregoTimes like this I wished I finished my semantic web framework23:08
alteregoNeed moar metadata ..23:09
Sicelobackwards_: i dont have N900 myself, but it looks like the instruction was just making an example with that directory. you can use your own, as long as you run the dpkg... command while in the same folder23:09
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Siceloi notice now that the wiki page backwards_ refers to also uses the 'dangerous' name for a directory, folder :D23:16
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rhkfinAnyone know why I can find & install apps from command line (apt-get install..) but for example fapman cannot find the same packages..23:18
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backwards_they give me a bad example..23:19
backwards_but thanks23:20
backwards_I think I made it now!23:20
andre__rhkfin, h-a-m only lists user category packages, not libraries. don't know about fapman23:20
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rhkfinanre__ (even though he's gone...) another user was able to see some apps with his fapman I didn't23:24
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rhkfinIs it normal/OK that I have 'distribution' in the package repositories fremantle-1.3 instead of fremantle?23:32
rhkfinOnly in extras, not in extras-devel and extras-testing23:32
ioanlinux cheat sheet:
GAN900Anybody tried OnLive yet?23:34
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rhkfinDoes this look familiar: deb fremantle-1.3 free non-free23:36
rhkfinIs fremantle-1.3 OK or should it be only fremantle?23:36
rhkfinMy list of repositories:
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DocScrutinizerheh, to me it seems backwards_ was another good example how great Nokia23:42
DocScrutinizer's rationale worked23:43
DocScrutinizerto make it ''simple'' for windoze users and hide the true directory structure23:43
DocScrutinizerand then even call it "Nokia N900" instead of maybe something as confusing  as for example "/home/user/MyDocs/ (N900 user data)"23:45
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togglescan you run it under gdb and breakpoint there?23:47
DocScrutinizerI bet Nokia's usability tests on those 5000 average users have revealed they all would run a way screaming and scared to death, if there were a little hint in HFM about the true nature and location of the "root" MyDir :-P23:47
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alteregoWell, I wasn't expecting her to be gone this long ..23:49
Venemoalterego: warned you23:49
VenemoDocScrutinizer: agreed23:49
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Venemotoggles: what are you referring to?23:49
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togglesVenemo: miss type, sorry23:50
Venemoalterego: at least she is all yours now23:50
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alteregoNope, she's still not back :P23:51
Venemoalterego: time to start being suspicious... :P23:53
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alteregoIt's a refreshing break :)23:54
alteregoI've got quite a bit done whilst she's been out ^.^23:54
alteregoHrm, need to write a little script that can generate some random user accounts for me,.23:55
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