IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-12-14

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ieatlintthings i have learnt: friends get very awkward when you warn them they were part of the gawker userdb leak00:01
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mecealterego, I've been pondering upon something and thought you might have an answer00:01
mecegot a sec?00:02
lardmanlcuk: The problem is I don't particularly want to have to support qt-mobility nor do I want to fiddle about getting the backend to work particularly00:02
* lardman hits the sack00:03
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lardmannight all00:03
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MohammadAGalterego, you're felcome00:03
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alteregoWell, if I can't build a handset madde sysroot, I'll try building a core sysroot00:05
mecelol00:06
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mecehmpf where are the qtwrt packages?00:11
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piggzMek: q....where does kdebug output go if running an app from xterm in maemo?00:21
Mekwherever it is configured to go? by default /dev/null for most areas I think00:22
MekI don't know much about the kdelibs for maemo packages though00:22
piggzMek: ah, ofcourse, kdebudialog migth help?00:22
piggzah, missing00:23
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alteregoAnd it failed again :D00:34
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alteregoThis time with 2010120700:34
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BCMMis fcam organised as a set or kernel patches, or an out-of-tree module?00:56
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BCMMi need to google stuff more often... looks like power already works with fcam00:59
jacekowskiBCMM: out of tree module01:00
jacekowskiBCMM: loaded in very nasty way01:00
BCMMjacekowski: oh?01:00
BCMMjacekowski: (not that it matters, as i was thinking about building it against kernel power, but just found a blog post claiming someone else fixed that already)01:00
jacekowskiwell, somebody could just add it into power kernel01:01
luke-jrBCMM: Gentoo/N900 has a patch01:02
BCMMjacekowski: this blog post makes it sound like somebody did01:02
BCMMluke-jr: Gentoo/N900? this intrigues me01:03
nox-.oO(poor little cpu compiling everything... :)01:03
BCMMnox-: distcc.01:03
nox-that works for crosscompilation too?01:04
BCMMhmm, is an n900 more or less powerful than an imac g3?01:04
luke-jrsys-kernel/fremantle-sources/2.6.28-20101501+0m5_fcam-1.0.5.patch01:04
BCMMi got gentoo sorta-running on one of those onces, and it had a cooked CPU01:04
nomischem|st: there?01:04
ds3has anyone see wierdness after using h.e.n. where the vibrate notification seems to go off every 15mins or so with no apaprent cause?01:04
luke-jrclone overlay from http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/portage-overlay.git/01:04
BCMM(so i had to push ALL the compiling to another machine over distcc)01:04
luke-jrpatch is 42 KB01:04
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luke-jrthe only problem with Gentoo/N8x0 and Gentoo/N900 is *linking* webkit ;)01:05
BCMMluke-jr: needs lots of memory?01:05
luke-jrlinking that crap requires a ton of RAM01:05
nomischem|st: please try http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/tvbgone_1.0.0-1_all.deb01:05
luke-jrso to build qt-webkit binpkgs, I usually have to rsync my fs to my desktop, then use qemu :p01:06
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nox-.oO(hmm didnt ppl swap over nfs many moons ago?)01:07
luke-jrfwiw, the overlay has a GCC 4.4 patch for fremantle kernel too01:07
luke-jrnox-: you can't swap over NFS sanely01:07
nox-yeah at least it'll be sloow...01:08
nox-but rsync'ing the entire fs might be too01:08
luke-jrnox-: slow enough swap = watchdog dies01:08
nox-oh hm :(01:08
nox-anyway so much for compiling on n900 -> not really practical01:09
luke-jrsure it is01:09
luke-jrcompiling isn't a problem01:09
luke-jrjust linking webkit01:09
nox-well, linking in your case01:09
luke-jreverything else links fine01:09
luke-jralso, that was N81001:09
luke-jrnot sure N900 is a problem01:09
nox-oh01:09
nox-well at least i remember compiling some part of xorg taking lotsa ram too...01:10
nox-(tho maybe thats fixed now)01:10
luke-jrcompiling uses distcc fine ☺01:10
luke-jrlinking *must* be on the real box01:11
nox-ah also for crosscompilation?01:11
luke-jryeah01:11
nox-:(01:11
luke-jrjust need to have a crosscompiler installed on stuff01:11
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* MohammadAG coughs01:17
alteregoNo, I'm not doing anything until I manage to build this new madde sysroot! :P01:18
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BCMMMohammadAG: you rule!01:18
BCMMMohammadAG: (for hostmode stuff, not for the coughing)01:18
ALoGeNohello all01:18
BCMMmy cable came today01:18
* MohammadAG coughs again, and the croud cheers01:18
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MohammadAGBCMM, patches are by PaulFertser, not me :P01:18
BCMMMohammadAG: yeah, but you're here at the moment01:19
* alterego quickly tries to think of a usb host mode project name for mohammad01:19
BCMMi heard you cough01:19
BCMMjust tested it with a smartmedia card reader01:19
BCMMit worked01:19
alteregoCan't think of one :(01:19
alteregoOh well.01:19
BCMMwell, actually I got "no medium", because i don't know where the hell my smartmedia cards are01:19
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MohammadAGmohostammad?01:19
MohammadAGsounds weird01:19
BCMMsince the n900 kinda replaces that camera01:19
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BCMMbut still, it was kinda awesome01:19
BCMMfound a really nice cable on ebay too01:20
MohammadAGmoh-e-ned, though you'll have to sed an M :P01:20
BCMMstraight to usb A female, with just enough cable to prevent it being used as a lever to open up the phone01:20
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alteregoOr M-E-N for short?01:21
BCMM"man men"01:22
MohammadAGLOL01:22
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MohammadAGnight peeps01:25
BCMMnight01:26
Venemonight01:28
sivanganybody knhow how to make stupid git vrebise?01:30
sivangverbose?01:30
sivangit is killing last 3 hours of my sleep time01:30
sivangI am trying to clone something off project.forum.nokia.com01:30
sivangworks for my friend over seas, doesnot for me01:30
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nomissivang: "--verbose" exists. what info are you missing?01:31
sivangit sits after the passwrod [rompts and does nothing according to strace01:31
sivangnomis: I wish I knew :)01:31
sivangnomis: but this piece of reluctant rcs does not give it for free. thanks, I'll try now01:31
crashanddiesivang: you shouldn't be prompted for a password when cloning01:32
nomissivang: which repository URL are you trying to clone?01:32
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crashanddiesivang: you using git://, http:// or ssh://?01:32
sivangcrashanddie: https01:32
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sivanggit clone https://sivang@projects.forum.nokia.com/git/qactus.git01:33
sivangcrashanddie: it's private for now01:33
sivangcrashanddie: until it gets more meat01:33
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crashanddieget rid of the sivang@01:34
crashanddieand try again01:35
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crashanddieor just https://sivang:password@projects...01:35
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crashanddiesivang: but git shouldn't be doing anything at that point, it's probably openssl or whatever implementation it uses for HTTP Authentication of HTTPS that is fucking up01:35
sivangcrashanddie: thanks, you are far more helpful than #git peopel telling me to wireshark(!!!)01:35
sivangcrashanddie: had I coded it, it would say so01:36
crashanddieit's https, wireshark isn't going to be useful01:36
sivangcrashanddie: that it has issue or propgate ssl's errors01:36
sivangjesus01:36
sivangand people say bzr is awkward01:36
* sivang trie01:36
sivangtrie01:36
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* andre__ is only used to git ssh:// cloning01:36
crashanddiesivang: git is fine, git over http auth over https01:36
crashanddienow that's just asking for trouble01:37
sivangheh01:37
crashanddiecase in point: exhibit a01:37
sivangbzr has no issue with that01:37
sivangand never had01:37
sivang:)01:37
sivang*had01:37
BCMMdoes HEN's mount button try sda or sda1?01:37
crashanddiesivang: do you have an ssh push address?01:37
sivangerr, no01:37
sivangit's only https01:37
crashanddiesivang: so how do you push to it?01:37
crashanddieover https?01:37
sivangcrashanddie: I guess, how does gitorious does that? it creates SSH accounts for its users?01:38
crashanddiethere's one ssh account, usually called git01:38
crashanddieso you do a git push git@<url>:/path/to/git.git01:38
sivangokay, please forgive my ignorance with git, I am a long time bzr user01:39
sivangI think it uses dav to push through HTTP{S} , with bzr01:40
sivangso, should I try log in with that account?01:40
sivangthe odd thing that someone else managed to clone without problem, at all.01:41
chxbzr pushes through ssh01:41
chxcheck the bzr info of an lp: account01:41
chxerm, checkout01:41
chxit'll be bzr+ssh://01:41
nomissivang: then maybe something went wrong when authorizing you. How did you give them your credentials?01:41
nomisor in what form?01:41
sivangnomis: I've thought about it. If that is the case then I'm deeply disappointed. :-...(01:42
crashanddiesivang: I know what it is01:42
crashanddiesivang: well, I think I know01:42
sivangcrashanddie: please help :)01:42
crashanddieyou need to add the nokia CA cert to your gnutls certificate collection01:42
sivangchx: I think it supportd something other as well, like HTTP dav or does still01:42
BCMMwow, i can actually use a smartmedia reader with this...01:43
chxthere is a bzr webdav plugin but it's def not the default01:43
crashanddiesivang: what OS are you running?01:43
BCMMstill doesn't seem right that i can use USB devices that are substantially larger than the n900 somehow...01:43
DocScrutinizerBCMM: look into mount.sh, you'll see it01:43
sivangcrashanddie: ubuntu 10.1001:43
sivangcrashanddie: my freind has opensuse01:43
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sivangcrashanddie: I think we're getting closer01:43
crashanddiecould be that01:43
crashanddiehttps://projects.forum.nokia.com/HelpAndSupport/wiki/GitQuickStart#GitTLSissue01:43
BCMMDocScrutinizer: ah, didn't know it worked that way01:44
crashanddiecompile your own git version, and include support for openssl01:44
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crashanddiecurl-gnutls is kinda broken apparently01:44
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sivangthank you ubuntuism!01:44
sivangagain </sigh>01:44
crashanddienot ubuntu01:44
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crashanddiebut packagers01:44
DocScrutinizeriirc the shell pattern was incl any single digit at end01:44
crashanddieanyway01:45
crashanddieI'm off01:45
crashanddie'later01:45
sivangcrashanddie: okay, let me try and fix this crap, thank you!01:45
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BCMMhttp://ompldr.org/vNmp3Nw weeee!01:46
BCMMthank you, everyone who's involved in hostmode stuff01:47
sivanghostmode is go?01:47
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BCMMsivang: in a beta sort of way in -devel01:48
sivangBCMM: wow, nice, what did it take to get there?01:49
sivangbesides lots of lemmings :)01:49
BCMMsivang: ask someone who actually did stuff...01:49
BCMMsivang: it took some hard work by some awesome people01:49
sivangMohammadAG: there?01:49
sivangand DocScrutinizer ?01:49
BCMMsivang: [23:25:18] <MohammadAG> night peeps01:50
sivangright01:50
sivangI'll talk top him tomorrow01:50
sivangwell, very nice01:50
BCMMnow lets stop highlighting in case we wake him up.01:50
sivangI wish I knew half of what they know :-D01:50
sivangyes01:50
BCMMthey have a nice GUI for it now, though you have to choose the USB speed manually01:51
sivangamazing01:51
sivangMoh prolly did the UI01:51
BCMMpresumably01:51
sivangI saw him playing ith QML and stuff throughout the last cople of weeks01:51
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sivanghe posted shots01:51
BCMMi'm really pleased with the cable i got on ebay01:51
BCMMsivang: the mediaplayer thing?01:51
sivang:)01:51
sivangBCMM: yes01:51
blue_ledhi. i have a compiler problem . i compiled an external module ( usb to ethernet ) for power 46.  the module depends on usbnet. on n900 usbnet crc values don't fit with crc values from power kernel headers . what to do ?01:51
sivangalso on theforum thread01:51
BCMMgotta say, this platform doesn't feel much like it's dieing :)01:52
sivangBCMM: you're not mistaken01:54
sivangBCMM: see threads on forum re: community01:54
sivangI even got some resposne on a feature DocScrutinizer suggested some time ago01:54
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sivangfrom the -arm adapation team manager01:54
DocScrutinizereh?01:54
sivangDocScrutinizer: well, sort of , Harri said this could be a FEA against adaptation and that it's worth discussing01:55
BCMMoh wow, works with an ipod classic (a total power hog)01:55
DocScrutinizersivang: no idea what you're talking baout01:56
sivangDocScrutinizer: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=970001:56
povbotBug 9700: media art not syn'd with artist name and song playing01:56
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sivangpovboyt is wrong01:56
BCMMheh, i wanted this for transferring stuff to friend's USB sticks, but the stuff i've just picked up to test it is making me realise: the n900 has replaced a lot of my USB devices...01:56
BCMMthe ipod and the card reader for my old digital camera...01:57
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DocScrutinizerhaha01:57
DocScrutinizerWTF is FEA?01:57
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BCMMR?01:57
nomisFunny Entertainment Agency.01:57
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DocScrutinizer~fea01:58
BCMMFrench Equatorial Africa01:58
sivangDocScrutinizer: I think it is a Functionalit Enhancment *something01:59
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sivangDocScrutinizer: :)01:59
BCMMfsck everything! aaaaaaaahhhh!01:59
sivangheh01:59
sivangFeature Enhancement Addition?01:59
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sivangI'll ask Stskeeps tomorrow02:02
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DocScrutinizerfsckng evil addon02:03
sivangDocScrutinizer: someone says FEAture in #meego02:04
sivanganyway02:04
BCMMwow, the USB nicely goes back to normal afterwards and everything02:05
sivangnow that git almost done building with opensll02:05
BCMM(with no reboot)02:05
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sivangBCMM: nice02:05
sivangI oughtta try it sometime02:05
BCMMyou need to get a cable, but they are cheap02:06
DocScrutinizerwhatever, 9700 is suboptimal. Why set the level with some kinky CAL tweaking or whatever, when we could tell NOLO to not boot up at all, by simply holding 'c'02:07
DocScrutinizer'c' lime 'charge PLEAE!'02:07
DocScrutinizererr02:07
DocScrutinizer'c' like 'charge PLEASE!'02:07
BCMMi got this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=12061770438602:08
BCMMthe photos is misleading; it's actually two of them02:08
blue_ledfallus enlargement addon for f..ing everybody again. can anybody answer a serious question here? eventually ?02:08
BCMMthe cable is about an inch long, this is easilly small enough to pocket on hte off-chance of having to use it02:08
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DocScrutinizer--force ?02:11
DocScrutinizerblue_led: sorry, no idea02:11
DocScrutinizermodprobe --force foousbeth02:12
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DocScrutinizerblue_led: I'm not even sure I got the question02:13
sivangDocScrutinizer: Why not adding those comments there?02:13
sivangDocScrutinizer: what's CAL?02:14
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blue_ledi use modules.symbvers from power-kernel-headers but usbnet is also external . it can be rmmod and insmod and i don't think the it can be inserted at same adress02:15
blue_ledforce no go02:15
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BCMMis the hostmode forum thread an appropriate place to post an ebay link which could be helpful to UK people looking for a hostmode adaptor?02:15
DocScrutinizererr, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=2046502:15
DocScrutinizerBCMM: yes02:16
BCMMah - fcam doesn't work02:18
sivangDocScrutinizer: thanks, I see02:19
sivangDocScrutinizer: so press 'c'and NOLO just enters charge mode and enver boots the kernel?02:19
DocScrutinizerthat'd be nice, no?02:20
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sivangDocScrutinizer: yes, but yoiu didn't tell me it back then :) in any event it does not mean more work to support that AFAICT, I will add this to the FEA if you don't02:23
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sivanghow do I push with git?02:23
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sivanggit config user.email02:24
sivangoops02:24
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DocScrutinizersivang: you can add whatever you like - with proper credit :-D02:25
sivangDocScrutinizer: did not I include the credit already?02:25
* sivang was sure he did02:25
sivangDocScrutinizer: I reckon you are not particularly interested in adding the feedback there yourself? :)02:26
sivangDocScrutinizer: I think it is best if you do, one day this will be discussed and I will have no clue at answering other than that you told me which I can recite02:26
sivang:)02:26
DocScrutinizerI got bashed on #meego why I would need any account. Now they can suck my ...02:26
javispedro... shiny metal ass.02:27
sivangDocScrutinizer: bashed?02:27
sivangjavispedro: what is he talking about?02:27
javispedrodunno02:27
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sivangDocScrutinizer: okay, i'll add with proper credit :)02:28
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sivangnight all02:47
sivangthanks crashanddie_ , you save my life today02:47
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blue_ledbye02:51
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comawhitehow I find the version of a package?03:12
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Termanagood morning04:26
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comawhitefinally got QtCreator to work with Scratchbox :)\05:12
comawhitebut no code completion :(05:12
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Jay_BEEhowdy05:15
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ebzzryIs there a way to set the wallpaper from the command line?05:23
SpeedEvilyes05:23
SpeedEvilgconf2 -somethin05:23
ebzzryWhat is that something?05:23
SpeedEvilgconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/yr/meteogram.png05:24
SpeedEvilFor example05:24
ebzzryAh, crap. How could I forget that. Thanks.05:25
SpeedEvilThe power of grep!05:25
ebzzryHah!05:25
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ebzzryHow do I determine the current amount of views?05:32
SpeedEvil?05:33
SpeedEviloh05:33
SpeedEvilDunno05:33
SpeedEvilthere is one for each desktop05:33
SpeedEvilI don't know how you determine the current05:33
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rtyleroooof, new n900 after my microUSB port broke off a couple weeks ago05:38
SpeedEvilwarramtu05:40
SpeedEvil?05:40
rtyleryeah, warrantied, still aggrevating05:40
rtylerwe'll see how much my backup before sending it off restores05:40
SpeedEvilyup05:40
rtylerreading up on what's-his-name's analysis of the poor design of the connector is infuriating05:41
SpeedEvilIn some ways it's missing the point05:41
SpeedEvilThe problem is largely the other end of the connector05:42
SpeedEvilWith that huge massive lever05:42
rtylerwhat do you mean?05:42
SpeedEvilThe plug05:42
rtylerlet's pretend I've had a horrible monday, and am having trouble thinking clearly, are you referring to the actual plug on the cable?05:44
SpeedEvil'05:44
SpeedEvilyes compare the size of the metal bit, and the size of the plastic bit05:44
SpeedEvila 1Kg force up on the end of the strain relief is a 5Kg or so force up on the end of the metal bit - and hence on the end of the connector05:45
SpeedEvilThe argument that it should be through hole is also problematic from a construction point-of-view.05:45
ebzzryWhat is the closest equivalent of cron on Maemo 5?05:47
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SpeedEvilalarmd clockd05:49
SpeedEvilsomething like that05:49
SpeedEvilin extras I think05:50
SpeedEvilsearch on alarm and clock05:50
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rtylerI wonder if maemo will run on this OLPC I got today05:53
rtylerI'm sure MeeGo won't run for crap on it05:53
SpeedEvilNo05:54
SpeedEvilmaemo is only n800/n810/n900/n77005:54
SpeedEvilIt has closed-source nokia awesome binaries are required components05:54
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rtylerI am disappoint05:55
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ebzzry(these days, it's difficult to determine whether one is speaking lolspeak by intention or not)05:56
rtylerhah, definitely intentional05:57
luke-jrrtyler: Gentoo ftw05:58
ebzzry=)05:58
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* rtyler dies05:59
* luke-jr inherits rtyler's OLPC05:59
luke-jrwin05:59
rtylerpreventing gentoo from being installed on this machine has given me new purpose and reason to keep on living ;)06:00
luke-jrfail06:00
luke-jrrtyler: cmon, if my N810 and N900 can handle Gentoo, so can your OLPC06:01
rtylerI'm pretty sure both those devices are of better hardware :P06:01
luke-jro rly?06:02
rtylerthis thing is garbage :p06:02
rtyler430Mhz AMD Geode processor with 256MB RAM06:02
rtylerif Nokia hadn't of stinged on the RAM for the n900, it'd destroy the olpc06:02
luke-jrN810 is 400 MHz w/ 128 MB RAM06:03
rtylerah, okay then06:03
rtylercouldn't remember06:03
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TermanaBesides that, an x86 running at 430mhz (or even clocked at 400mhz) is generally going to be faster than an ARM processor clocked at the same speed06:08
SpeedEvildepends on the bus speed.06:09
SpeedEvilThe memory bus can be faster for some workloads06:10
luke-jrTermana: wtf?06:10
luke-jrthat's totally backwards06:10
luke-jrx86 is slower than ARM generally06:10
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Termanaluke-jr, are you kidding yourself? Just because the processor has less instructions to run through doesn't mean that it will be faster06:12
luke-jrx86 has less instructions to run through. the thing is they take longer to run06:13
rtylerFIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT06:13
SpeedEvilDepends06:13
SpeedEvilSome ARMs may have weak integer or FPU06:14
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Jartzawell, the speed of the cpu depends of multiple things06:16
Jartzalike depth of the pipeline, clock speed etc.06:16
rtylertime to update my Maemo 5 install on the new device06:16
rtyleryay06:16
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TermanaSomething tells me, Freenode just split in half and got glued back :p06:56
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TermanaRIDING THE SPLIT06:58
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comawhiteis there a way to make my app in scratchbox rotate?07:32
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DocScrutinizerI'd prefer a banana split07:34
* Gh0sty gives DocScrutinizer a super banana split: banana split with warm chocolate sauce on top! 07:35
comawhiteblah, forcing it to portrait mode is very buggy07:35
comawhitein scratchbox07:36
Gh0sty(its pure evil for your weight if you care)07:36
DocScrutinizerwoaaaah! GREAT!07:36
Gh0styto top it all off you could also put that on top of a pancake07:36
Gh0stybut that is beyond pure evil :p07:36
DocScrutinizerand no, it's absolutely mandatory at *my* weight07:37
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* DocScrutinizer off to buy some breakfast07:38
Neccwould you buy some for me too?07:39
comawhiteme 207:39
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comawhiteDocScrutinizer, why you sending me DCC?08:49
DocScrutinizerpretzel08:49
comawhiteDCC Xfer Bounce (DocScrutinizer): Timeout waiting for incoming connection [88.198.116.132:54869]08:49
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-14 06:39:36] <comawhite> me 208:49
comawhite?08:50
comawhiteblah this is a pita08:50
DocScrutinizerOh sorry, should have asked what you like for breakfast08:50
comawhitetrying to find a good design to come up with for my application08:50
comawhiteDocScrutinizer, Sausage, scrambled eggs, tons of bacon08:51
comawhite:D08:51
comawhiteand tomorrow I get my phone08:51
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Termanacomawhite, that's dangerous08:57
comawhiteTermana, eh?08:58
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Termanacomawhite, eating a phone for breakfast08:58
comawhite:D08:59
comawhite:S*08:59
TermanaYou said that today you would like for breakfast: sausage, scrambled eggs and tons of bacon and tomorrow you get your phone [for breakfast]08:59
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comawhiteTermana, no, as it was two separate subjects09:12
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Termanacomawhite, I was making a joke09:18
TermanaYou know - funny ha ha09:19
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comawhiteTermana, ah09:21
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lardmanah, /me sees maemo-devel post about the possibility of pushing Qt Mobility 1.1 to Extras and is pleased09:27
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comawhiteI'm trying to run QtCreator inside of scratchbox, I do <path to qtcreator> -display :0 so it will display on my desktop, but I lose the cursor, how can I get it back?09:27
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lardmanno idea, I run it outside09:28
comawhiteso do I but I have issues with headers not being found, so code completion breaks for me, and a mate said run it inside of scratchbox then do -display :0 but no mouse cursor gets shown making it useless, and he doesn't know how to fix it09:29
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lardmanis that a known bug with Xephyr?09:32
lardmansounds like that kind of thing09:32
comawhiteidk09:33
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lardmanAnyone tried Boxee?09:39
* lardman is thinking about finally building a media centre09:39
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lardmanhas anyone seen any example code using the calendar-backend (CCalendar.h headers, etc.)09:43
lardman?09:43
lardmanhmm, I guess there's that desktop widget...09:43
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lardmanhttp://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/File:Qt_for_Maemo_Calendar_Example.zip fwiw09:47
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comawhiteCCalendar.h? looks like an MFC header09:48
comawhitexD09:48
comawhitemmmm MFC on n90009:48
* comawhite drools09:48
leakypugwhat wud be the problem if my desktop icons are often disappearing..09:48
comawhitewud?09:48
lardmancomawhite: yeah that's what one finds on the interweb, must have the same name09:48
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lardmanhmm, the wonders of iCal files09:53
mintuxI have serious problem.su doesn't work for me anymore and say su: must be suid to work properly. I forgot my user password for ssh and I want to change it from root but I got that fck error09:54
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lardmanhmm, versit would be good, solve all my problems10:01
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X-Fadelardman: Well qtm is not an easy story.10:07
comawhiteis it possible to grade from 32GB to a larger (idono if you can get larger than 32GB)10:08
X-Fadelardman: As we are not the only ones using it, ovi does too.10:08
Jay_BEE[23:27]<lardman>ah, /me sees maemo-devel post about the possibility of pushing Qt Mobility 1.1 to Extras and is pleased   <--- nice....10:08
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lardmanX-Fade: I understand, just that having qtm 1.1 + versit would save my buggering about trying to manually parse iCal and vCard files10:10
lardmanso the sooner they are pushed the better :)10:10
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X-Fadelardman: Yeah, talking with the SDK team to see what the plans are.10:11
lardmancool :)10:11
X-Fadelardman: Don't want to end up with a mess where we have updated packages on both nokia-apps repo and Extras.10:11
lardmanthat's nice, just wiped an entire day's worth of work of my todo list :)10:11
X-FadeBut don't expect it to be there next week.10:11
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X-FadeThat is _not_ going to happen.10:11
lardmanX-Fade: no, don't worry :)10:12
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X-FadeI'm not against a -experimental version in -devel though.10:12
X-FadeAs long as that doesn't end up in Extras ;)10:12
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lardmanhmm, that could be troublesome as I was planning on finally pushing mBarcode to Extras10:13
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X-FadeYeah, well as long as we don't have word from Nokia that they don't want to update qtm, we can't allow that anyway.10:14
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lardmanso basically I'll have to write my own parsers anyway, or statically link the relevant parts of versit, etc., into the app?10:15
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X-Fadelardman: It depends on if you are in a hurry.10:16
comawhiteI need to finish writing this IRC library so I can port it to the n90010:16
lardmannot especially, but I thought I should get round to it now I have some spare time10:16
X-Fadelardman: You could include the lib in your package for now. And remove it later.10:17
johnxyeah, mbarcode from -devel is really pretty. you'd get a vote from me if you put it on -testing (once the packaging stuff gets worked out)10:17
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X-Fadelardman: Or extract only the code you need.10:17
lardmanjohnx: packaging stuff?10:18
lardmanX-Fade: yeah, ok, will have a look at that then10:18
johnxI mean whatever you were talking about about the vcard/ical parsing stuff10:18
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lardmanah sure10:18
X-Fadelardman: But let's see if we get an answer soon.10:18
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lardmanok sounds good10:19
chxcomawhite: http://libircclient.sourceforge.net/ and http://bitbucket.org/jpnurmi/libircclient-qt/wiki/Home  why another?10:19
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lardmanX-Fade: while you're here, I have a question about the bugtracker default email addresses and how to add my address so I receive all mBarcode bugs?10:20
comawhitechx, those lack the functionality I want, plus I already wrote my own10:20
comawhitesince I develop an irc client for KDE, going to attempt a port to N900 but it'd be Qt only10:20
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X-Fadelardman: Are you in bugzilla?10:21
lardmanyes10:23
DocScrutinizer~lart mintux10:24
* infobot decapitates mintux conan the destroyer style10:24
lardmanX-Fade: for example could the @mbarcode.garage.bugs email redirect to a list of people automatically?10:24
DocScrutinizermoin X-Fade10:24
johnxDocScrutinizer, context?10:25
DocScrutinizerjohnx: ??10:25
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X-Fadelardman: It works the other way around. You can 'watch' a certain email.10:25
johnxyou larted something (someone?) I didn't even know about :)10:25
X-Fadelardman: https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email10:26
lardmanX-Fade: I tried that yesterday but it just said it didn't recognise that one10:26
johnxI was wondering what the context was surrounding the larting10:26
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-14 08:54:43] <mintux> I have serious problem.su doesn't work for me anymore and say su: must be suid to work properly. I forgot my user password for ssh and I want to change it from root but I got that fck error10:26
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X-Fadelardman: 'Add users to my watch list'10:26
DocScrutinizerjohnx: NOW (S)HE IS GONE10:26
DocScrutinizeroops sorry10:26
DocScrutinizercapslock10:26
X-Fadelardman: There you add mbarcode@garage.bugs10:27
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DocScrutinizerjohnx: I was about to toss over a "sudo gainroot" and realized the tab didn't nick-complete10:28
johnxDocScrutinizer, the caps have kind of a nice finality in this context. makes you seem very much the evil computer program10:28
lardmanX-Fade: thanks, must have been user error on my part last night10:28
crashanddie_sivang, so compiling git locally did the trick?10:28
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leakypughey guys.. is there any media player with equilizer facility?10:32
Jay_BEEi've seen one in tplayer10:33
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comawhitehmmm cmake + qt = no maemo support =\10:57
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RobbieThe1stHello, all..11:05
lardmananyone know what the N900's max video res is?11:06
RobbieThe1stHas anyone here replaced their n900's LCD before? I just -somehow- cracked mine. Odd thing is, digitizer works fine still11:06
RobbieThe1st800x480, lardman11:06
lardmanvideo?11:06
lardmannot the screen11:06
RobbieThe1st(might be 800x488, but close)11:06
RobbieThe1styes, same for the video11:06
lardmanok cool, thanks11:06
johnxlardman, decoding? I'd guess that would depend heavily on the codec and encoding11:07
lardmanno not decoding, the raw frame11:07
RobbieThe1stI think he's talking about video -recording-, right?11:07
lardmani.e. what size frame comes from the camera in video mode11:07
johnxaaah11:08
RobbieThe1stWhy not record something, then play it back on a PC - you can get the frame size easily there11:08
RobbieThe1stOh, and the camera app is closed source, IIRC11:08
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lardmanRobbieThe1st: because I thought someone might know ;)11:09
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RobbieThe1stTrue, but usually it takes longer to ask than to simply do it... <_<11:10
lardmanwell I'm doing something else at the same time, but yeah11:10
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RobbieThe1stSo, um, anyone know anything about LCD replacement?11:13
RST38hNo.11:13
RST38hContact Nokia Care, etc11:14
RobbieThe1stEh, I was hoping someone knew something about the $50 OEM replacements on Ebay. Oh, well.11:15
RST38hThey are replacements. You will need to apply your hands to use them.11:15
RST38hGiven that you somehow broke the original display, chances of you successfully replacing it with a new one, by yourself, are low.,11:15
RobbieThe1stI meant in terms of "are they actually compatible", or "are they actually 800x480"11:16
RobbieThe1stTo be honest, I'm still not sure how it broke - The digitizer still works fine, and there's no visible marks on it. When the screen's on, however, there's a visible crack in it11:16
pupnikdo you have a dog?11:17
pupnikcheck for teech imprint on the bottom11:18
RST38hEhehe11:18
RobbieThe1stNope; it was fine last night. Today, I put it in my pocket, I took it out a couple hours later and it had the crack11:18
RST38hkeys?11:18
RST38hbtw, are you sure it is a crack and not a piece of your hair getting under the digitizer layer?11:18
RobbieThe1stPositive. I'll show you a picture - I'm pretty sure that a piece of hair doesn't produce red/green/blue and gray vertical lines in that area of the screen11:19
RST38htrue11:19
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sivangcrashanddie_: yes :)11:20
RST38hMost local shops will replace the screen for ~400 rubles + cost of the screen (~$100..$120).11:20
sivangmorning all11:20
RST38hThey are all approximately 11000km from you though11:20
RobbieThe1stheh.11:20
mecehehe11:20
sivangcrashanddie_: thank you so very much for spotting this, I should have googled the problem but I was sure it was local to my setup or something11:20
RobbieThe1stI'm pretty sure I can replace it myself, provided I get a quality replacement.11:20
* RST38h cackles satanically11:20
johnxRobbieThe1st, done much work inside phones before?11:21
RobbieThe1stNot phones, per-se; I took apart my N770, my Iriver H320, a 17" LCD desktop screen...(all of which currently work)11:22
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RST38hRobbie: Any of them you put back together?11:23
johnxRST38h, I bet you 1 Internet he gets it put back together and working, but I want 2:1 odds11:23
RobbieThe1stAs I said, they all still work11:23
RST38hjohnx: "Will he swim? Will he sink? The beast will have his feast tonight!" (C)Humanwine11:23
RST38hOk11:24
RST38hThen there is an N900 servicing guide (apparently leaked from Nokia) which explains the disassembly and replacement process11:24
delphihttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66938&page=211:24
delphiany ideas? (check the last post)11:24
RST38hIt does involve a few steps (like replacing screws with new ones) that you won't be able to repeat, but pretty sane otherwise11:25
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RobbieThe1sthttp://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2668.JPG11:25
RST38hdelphi: Get the source code (it is in the repo), look at it, debug11:26
johnxdefinitely a hair11:26
johnxRobbieThe1st, I bet you ran into something walking11:26
RST38hjohnx: point-blank hair damage11:26
johnxmaybe a fence? corner of a desk?11:26
RST38hshit, looks painful11:26
RobbieThe1stCould be, or something else inside my fabric case(I have earphones, usb cable, and extra battery)11:27
johnxshot by an airsoft gun?11:27
RobbieThe1stThe really odd part is that the screen protector has -no- marks or scratches on it11:27
delphiRST38h yeah, i was affraid of that, im not a cpp coder myself (delphi/lazarus)11:27
RST38hRobbie: Give me your email11:27
RobbieThe1strobbiethe1st@gmail.com11:28
RST38hdelphi: The program itself is not going to be particularly difficult to understand for a delphi coder11:28
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delphithe code isnt a problem11:28
delphicompiling is11:28
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delphianyways, ill try it anyways11:28
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RST38hRobbie: sent.11:29
RobbieThe1stTY11:29
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RST38hdelphi: May not need to compile, simply look at it and match it to your sdebug output11:29
RST38hFaheem was the original software author you say?11:29
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delphiyes11:29
crashanddie_sivang, no worries, glad I could help11:30
RobbieThe1stOh, and the other interesting thing - After this happened, I notice a (I guess 50hz) shimmering in the color. I'm guessing something's slightly unbalanced electrically now.11:30
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sivangcrashanddie_: why do ubuntu packages do such things? or is it in universe so all bets are off11:31
crashanddie_sivang, well, they probably did it because curl-gnutls is preferred to openssl or something11:32
crashanddie_sivang, or lighter, or simpler, or whatever11:32
crashanddie_but bad luck, the specific version of curl-gnutls that comes with Ubuntu has a bug that doesn't allow it to properly parse a TLS connection11:32
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crashanddie_so it's really a case of bad luck, rather than "Why would they do that?"11:33
libbenanyone knows anything about twitter on the n900?11:33
lardmanargh wrong window, commited my wip changes rather than trying to compile11:33
lardmanbollocks11:33
lardmanpardon my french11:34
libbencant get tweego to work on my n900, it starts and everything, but cant get Login button to respond.11:34
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Venemogood morning11:35
Venemo~seen MohammadAG11:35
infobotmohammadag is currently on #maemo (4h 35m 19s) #meego (4h 35m 19s), last said: 'night peeps'.11:35
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RST38hRobbie: LCDs are powered with alternate current (for electrochemical purposes afaik), so shimmering is natural11:40
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RobbieThe1stYea, but normally the "shimmering" isn't noticeable(or shouldn't be, anyway)11:43
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RobbieThe1stI've had a couple of cracked LCDs over the years, but this is the first one to exhibit such shimmering after breaking.11:44
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Venemohi11:49
RobbieThe1stHello11:49
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Venemohas anyone tried to set up a multi-monitor setup with an NVidia card on Linux?11:49
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johnxVenemo, yeah. I have one. what kind of setup are you going for?11:50
Venemojohnx: I would like to setup an external monitor for my laptop11:51
Venemojohnx: this I can do with the nvidia-settings application11:51
Venemojohnx: but if I save the config to the xorg.conf, it complains at next boot that it couldn't apply the configuration (even though it does)11:52
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Venemojohnx: and in this case, if I boot up with the external monitor not plugged in, the screen is blank at login11:52
johnxI think that blank at login might actually be normal for the secondary monitor, but my setup is on a desktop11:53
Venemothe laptop's monitor should be the primary one11:53
Venemoat least that is the "primary display for the X screen"11:54
RST38hRobbie: Normally, power isn't leaking all over your LCD :)11:56
RST38hIt only goes where it is designed to go.11:56
RobbieThe1stRST38h: That's sort of what I was thinking.11:56
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Venemojohnx: any ideas?12:00
johnxah, the primary screen is blank at login? hmm, in that case I might have an idea12:01
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johnxVenemo, what distro is this?12:04
Venemojohnx: Fedora12:05
Venemojohnx: plus, I use the properitary drivers12:05
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johnxright, do you have the nvidia README.txt? I think it might have something about forcing a primary screen12:05
Venemojohnx: I haven't read it12:06
Venemojohnx: but the other problem is, it doesn't recognize when I plug out the other screen12:07
Venemojohnx: so I have to manually config it every time...12:07
johnxhmm, dunno then12:08
johnxthe README.txt still might be helpful12:08
johnxlike I said though, I set it up on a desktop so it's mostly static config12:08
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Venemojohnx: if you plug a display out, does your machine automatically recognize it?12:11
sktrdieCan i write java apps for maemo?12:11
johnxVenemo, sorry, can't really test right now. not at that computer ...12:12
lardmanbbl12:12
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Venemojohnx: ok, sorry12:13
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Arkenoivenemo, i had to disable EDID because it was telling me bullshit12:19
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RST38hLemmings in the Instinctiv thread are switching from disappointment to hate now12:23
RST38hHow typical12:23
VenemoArkenoi: how can I do that?12:24
Arkenoi    Option         "ConnectedMonitor" "CRT-0"12:25
Arkenoi    Option         "IgnoreEDID" "TRUE"12:25
Arkenoi    Option         "UseEDID" "FALSE"12:25
Arkenoi    Option         "UseEDIDFreqs" "FALSE"12:25
Arkenoi    Option         "UseEDIDDpi" "FALSE"12:25
Arkenoi    Option         "ModeValidation" "NoEdidModes"12:25
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VenemoArkenoi: umm... and where should I put this?12:30
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Arkenoixorg,conf, Section "Device" Identifier     "Device0" Driver         "nvidia"12:32
Venemothx12:35
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MohammadAGVenemo, wazzup :P12:40
VenemoMohammadAG: working on the game12:42
VenemoMohammadAG: two puzzle pieces can now stick together, but the problem is, the image of the second one disappears for some weird reason12:42
sivangmorning all, again12:43
Venemomorning sivang12:43
sivangMohammadAG: so HM usb is go? :)12:43
sivanghey Venemo12:44
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MohammadAGVenemo, ask alterego, he knows more than I do12:44
MohammadAGsivang, HM = hostmode? yeah12:44
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VenemoMohammadAG: figured it out already :)12:46
DocScrutinizer51sivang: sure, toldya yesterday12:47
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RST38h"The Washington Post reports that Ukraine plans to open up the sealed zone around the Chernobyl reactor to visitors"12:51
RST38htimeless <-- missed his chance!12:51
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Venemoalterego: are you around?12:55
alteregoalways :P12:56
sivangDocScrutinizer51: very cool12:56
Venemoalterego: I may have some questions about the Qt animation framework12:57
alteregoVenemo: cool12:57
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Venemoalterego: hm, it is simpler than I thought13:04
Venemoalterego: my first experiment with it worked13:04
alterego:)13:04
alteregoIt is simple yes :)13:04
alteregoWhich reminds me, I need to do some benchmarks on using parallel animation groups or linking property signals.13:05
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MohammadAGalterego, commited anything? :P13:06
alteregoIn a bit Mohammad :P13:07
MohammadAGmoh + tab13:07
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alteregoI'll do it whilst setting up this fedora vm13:07
* alterego waits for image to download13:07
MohammadAGwhy fedora?13:07
MohammadAGand what's the host OS?13:08
alteregoBecause I can't generate madde sysroots for meego in ubuntu 10.1013:08
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alteregoAnd I'm not in the mood to debug :)13:08
alteregoThough I might be in the mood later13:08
MohammadAGmeh, just chroot and export DISPLAY=:013:08
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alteregoMeh vm + ssh + nfs :)13:09
alteregoI don't need the ui13:09
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MohammadAGjust chroot :P13:12
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Venemoalterego: do you have a few minutes?13:18
Venemoalterego: it seems that I need your help anyway :P13:19
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alteregoGo ahead :)13:19
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Venemoalterego: pm'd you13:21
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alteregonoticed :P13:22
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cionosI m trying to use the kinect with the nokia n900 (maemo os). Does anyone know if someone else has succeed with it?13:24
cionos(hi )13:24
fluxcionos, sounds great idea, but in practice I guess processing kinect data can require some heavy processing..13:25
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cionosflux: uhm got it.. so you think that the n900 is too slow?13:25
fluxyes13:26
MohammadAGisn't it? :P13:26
fluxbut hey, you can stil try :)13:26
fluxperhaps one can go by with fewer frames per second13:27
fluxor perhaps the device can be requested to provide smaller images13:27
MohammadAGprobaby, but you will see lag in performance compared to an xbox :P13:28
cionosuhm13:28
cionosthis is true of course..13:28
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cionosbut using the kinect with a such small device should be very cool, shouldn t it?13:29
MohammadAGit might be lighter than the PS Move though13:29
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cionosyup13:30
kkoehneHi there, I uploaded a package to extras-devel yesterday, and got an e-mail saying "[2010-12-13 17:18:01] Processing package qtquickcompat 0.1.0. Uploader: kkoehne, builder: builder2" ... nothing more.13:30
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cionosuhm another thing.. I was looking for a libusb-dev package for maemo but I didn-t find it13:30
kkoehneSubject was "[fremantle]: qtquickcompat 0.1.0 UNKNOWN". Anything I can do to find out what's wrong with the package / the builder? Upload the package again?13:31
cionosmaybe I will have to compile by myself13:31
cionoscheers13:31
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DocScrutinizersivang: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=895032#post89503213:33
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X-Fadekkoehne: The last thing I see in the logs is that you forgot the architecture: field.13:35
sivangDocScrutinizer: cool, thanks13:35
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kkoehneX-Fade: Okay, that's a hint, will fix & resubmit :)13:37
kkoehneX-Fade: Thanks.13:37
X-Fadekkoehne: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-December/031379.html13:37
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MohammadAGX-Fade, any news from Nokia legal? got Qt apps compiling on-device13:38
kkoehneX-Fade: Weird that I didn't get the e-mail. Probably marked as SPAM on teh company server :(13:38
sivangMohammadAG: what apps?13:38
MohammadAGany13:38
sivangMohammadAG: what has it got to do with Nokia leagal? :)13:38
MohammadAGon device SDK with nokia-binaries13:39
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X-FadeMohammadAG: Will try to follow up on that later in the week, busy times...13:43
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MohammadAGX-Fade, ack13:46
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cionosdo you know why doesn t work the lspci command on maemo ?13:47
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knoppix_cionos: is there a pci bus in the N900?13:53
retro|czhello, I Have new NOKIA N90013:53
retro|czAnd don't know how to open it.13:53
retro|czWant to insert SIM card there.13:53
retro|czI'm reading manual.13:53
retro|czBut I'm afraid I will broke it.13:53
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cionosknoppix_: lol no, yep13:54
MohammadAGjust use your nail and open it13:54
MohammadAGit's hard at first, then it kinda gets easier to open13:54
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knoppix_MohammadAG: unintended pun :) just use your nail and open it13:57
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comawhiteblah menus in Maemo is confusing14:07
* MohammadAG finds the UI cool14:08
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comawhiteMohammadAG, me too but it's confusing on how to properly do it14:09
MohammadAGyou'll get used to it14:09
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comawhiteah okay I understand it now14:16
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DocScrutinizerretro|cz: it's rolling up your footnails, but it actually won't break, just goes off incredibly hard. I use to slide along the gap with fingernail to pry it open slightly and loose the latches. Start at the small opening next to right side speaker and slide down and left until where the LED is. Then start again other direction, and cover falls off like magic14:17
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, mine falls of pretty damn quick :P14:17
DocScrutinizerLOL14:17
* MohammadAG thanks broken latch at the end14:17
MohammadAGoff*14:18
DocScrutinizer~mohammadag14:18
infoboti heard mohammadag is your father14:18
DocScrutinizerbah14:18
DocScrutinizerno, you're special14:18
MohammadAG:P14:19
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, brtfs is safe to use on the eMMC right?14:20
DocScrutinizernfc14:20
DocScrutinizershould14:20
DocScrutinizerheard it's made for flash14:20
* MohammadAG starts looking at MeeGo on the eMMC14:21
DocScrutinizertell me when you're there, I'll follow your breadcrumbs14:21
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DocScrutinizer...now that I got this extremely cool uBoot :-D14:22
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DocScrutinizerat very least I should know what I'm bitching about :-P14:23
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MohammadAGheh14:24
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jacekowskihttp://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3467/059textcb.jpg14:34
MohammadAGsfw?14:34
nid0yeah14:35
RST38hsocial darwinism in action14:37
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MohammadAGlulz, h1 RST38h, hw r u?14:37
RST38hgr8 m8!14:38
RST38hbsds skppn vwls hs bn knwn fr ctrs whr y r!14:39
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comawhitewell I got my menus up and running now :)14:39
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* DocScrutinizer throws an "n" at RST38h14:39
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DocScrutinizerand a g14:40
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comawhiteim shocked at the shitty amount of irc clients available for n90014:41
comawhite=\14:41
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Biblio_pebcomawhite, epic4 :-)14:42
comawhiteyou only got xchat = (no native look/feel) same with pidgin14:42
RST38hcomawhite: Write your own.14:42
ieatlintirssi :P14:42
comawhite RST38h what I'm doing right now14:42
derfOr use ssh+screen+irssi like everyone else.14:42
comawhitescrew that14:42
Biblio_pebcomawhite, if you need a (a,b)-tester: let me know14:43
RST38hThere is a native build of irssi14:43
comawhiteBiblio_peb, will do14:43
RST38hcomawhite: Come back once you have written one =)14:43
comawhiteRST38h, hehe14:43
RST38hAnd, moo, derf.14:43
derfmo00000000000000oooooooooooooooooooo0o0o14:43
comawhiteIdk if you might like it, it will have plugins, scripting (javascript only), adium themes via webkit14:43
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JaffaMorning, all14:44
comawhitemorn14:44
Ro9u3oRwow i just had one heck of a time getting my phone to boot14:44
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comawhiteBiblio_peb, you wouldn't be a Qt developer would you? :P14:45
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Biblio_pebcomawhite, nope .. I stay terminal mostly. But wouldn't hesitate to start QT when I've a guide + sparrings-partner.14:48
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comawhiteit's pretty easy to use14:48
comawhiteI'm picking code from my desktop irc client mainly and filling in from there and replace some KDE code with pure Qt code where needed14:49
comawhitethough my desktop one is in a incomplete state xD14:49
comawhitesince I don't have a lot of work to do for the n900 port, it should be pretty quick to implement except on the webkit part which will be the hardest14:50
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comawhiteanyone know where I find out if there is dbus messages for when you receive a phone call, locked, etc?14:51
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sivangirssi for the riles14:52
sivangrules14:52
sivang;)14:52
comawhiteplease14:52
comawhiteI don't care to stare at a terminal :P14:52
comawhitetry managing 40+ channels in irssi14:53
fralsyeah run out of keyboard shortcuts at like 30ish14:53
frals:<14:53
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Corsacalt-a to the rescue14:54
Corsacalt-q I mean :)14:54
Corsachmhm wait14:54
* Corsac is confused14:54
Corsacno, alt-a it is :)14:54
comawhiteLOL14:54
fralsyeah but i have 30 active channels14:54
frals;)14:54
comawhitei have too many14:54
sivangfrals: ctrl+N14:54
sivangand ctrl+P14:54
fralstakes a while to go from 30 to 40 that way14:55
frals;)14:55
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fralsbut im still good, closed queries so down to 28!14:55
fralsstill have a few keys left14:55
sivangfrals: when you do it for long, you get good at it :)14:55
sivanganyway, back to Zimbra14:56
comawhitewell i'm off to bed, good night guys14:57
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Khertan_Hi everyone !15:14
MohammadAGhey Khertan_15:15
Khertan_Hey MohammadAG15:16
MohammadAGimport social.libs15:16
MohammadAGwhat's up?15:16
MohammadAG:P15:16
Khertan_import social.congratulationlib15:17
Khertan_I see your Media Player rewrite in Qt ... nice work !15:17
MohammadAGstill no backend :P15:17
Khertan_MohammadAG: oh ... i'm currently looking for a new job15:17
MohammadAGlardman|gone's working on it i think15:17
Khertan_hope something with small interest :)15:17
MohammadAGhmm, I'm only 17, can't employ :P15:17
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Khertan_:)15:18
MohammadAGask on tmo though15:18
Khertan_It s not a suffisant reason :)15:18
MohammadAG(seriously, you might get an answer)15:18
Khertan_ouch ... my english15:18
Khertan_MohammadAG: seriously there isn't only whinner on t.m.o ?15:18
Khertan_s/isn't/aren't15:19
MohammadAGwell, qole did it once, not sure if he got a job in the end15:19
Khertan_:)15:19
Khertan_Yep ... maybe a maemo news :)15:19
Khertan_with a announce of an update of one of my soft :)15:19
Khertan_and else i 'm currently playing with PySide with Khweeteur15:21
MohammadAGget it working on meego :P15:22
Khertan_and except some minor things ... the binding are working well15:22
Khertan_MohammadAG: it should work on Meego too ...15:22
Khertan_theorically ...15:22
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Khertan_i ve run it already on window, debian squeeze ... so there is no reason to not work on MeeGo15:23
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pupnik_nice job Roxio http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22angry+birds%2215:27
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Khertan_pupnik_: indeed !15:41
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Khertan_Your terms - khweeteur - do not have enough search volume to show graphs. :)15:41
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Khertan_pupnik_: they got higher trends than maemo :) http://www.google.com/trends?q=maemo,+angry+bird&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=015:42
Khertan_and meego :)15:43
Khertan_http://www.google.com/trends?q=maemo,+angry+bird,+meego&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=015:43
Khertan_but i ll believe there result when i see they found something for meego in 200515:44
Khertan_:)15:44
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pupnik_interesting15:45
Khertan_http://www.meegos.com/ <<< they consider it as many meego :)15:45
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Khertan_http://www.google.fr/search?q=meego&hl=fr&prmdo=1&sa=X&ei=4HQHTcT1CNCv8QP1waw3&ved=0CA4QpwU&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:01/01/2000,cd_max:01/01/200515:46
korhojoapupnik_, rovio?15:47
Khertan_s/there/their15:47
pupnik_oops forgot the name15:48
pupnik_http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-20013385-233.html  Rovio: Angry Birds at 60,000 downloads a day15:48
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yacc_yeah, but the frustrating part is that it's not there for J2ME, it's available on all other platforms, .... So typical kiddy phones like the Samsung Corby are left out, which results in hijacked phones, ...16:03
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RST38hAAS continues delivering lulz16:31
pupnik_what's that RST38h16:32
RST38hpupnik: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/12388_Where_now_for_Nokia_Tomi_has_a.php16:33
RST38hEnjoy16:33
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lardmanafternoon16:41
lardmanis there a window attribute to enable tap once to select tap twice to open for a list (i.e. replacing double click) or is it a case of remembering whether an item was previously selected?16:42
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DocScrutinizerwhat makes the "[x] use for phonecalls" settings option vanish, in settings->VoIP&Chat->{my sipgate account}->advanced_settings ?16:53
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DocScrutinizerthe VoIP account is so far correctly setup, as it signals inbound SIP calls - alas imediately as "missed call" without even starting to ring or anything16:54
DocScrutinizerand for outbound calls I can't select this "service" in dialer16:54
DocScrutinizeras obviously this would need above mentioned settings-option in the SIP account config, and that vanished for unknown reason16:55
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DocScrutinizerI know I probably should reflash, but prior to that I'd like to find out what is causing this strange error, and who or what created that cause16:57
lardmanAh, anyone got a good example of using setIndexWidget() in a QTableView as my widgets (QLabels) don't appear16:59
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DocScrutinizerwow, just got a working inbound call, via said SIP account. But on my h-e-n devel phone :-D17:02
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DocScrutinizeranybody with a clue about telepathy and rtcom, could you tell me which files to compare on working 1.1.1 vs non-working 1.2 userland device, regarding above described problem with SIP calls?17:05
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magog_hi17:10
magog_somebody hear?17:10
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javispedromoo17:13
magog_can you help me with madde and n900?17:13
javispedro~ask17:14
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.17:14
magog_mad-admin create n900 -a 192.168.2.1517:14
magog_Copying setup files to runtime failed17:15
magog_Creating runtime 'n900' with address '192.168.2.15' failed17:15
magog_but ping work17:15
magog_ssh work17:15
javispedrohave you install mad-developer on the n900?17:15
magog_yes17:15
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magog_i configured it as in wiki17:16
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javispedrono other message?17:17
magog_no17:17
magog_only this 217:17
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magog_i configured qtcreator for n90017:18
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javispedrodo you have free space in target device?17:20
magog_yes17:20
magog_over 20 Gb17:20
javispedrohttp://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde/blobs/master/src/madlib/ma-create-runtime.sh#line59 this is where the message is printed17:20
magog_GB*17:20
javispedrono, that's not application space17:20
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javispedroon a terminal, write "df -h /"17:21
javispedrohm, actually.17:21
javispedrogo to control panel -> memory17:22
javispedroand check that there's reasonable free space (> 100 MiB) on every filesystem17:22
magog_63.7 available on /17:23
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magog_> 100 MiB - does it really information?17:24
magog_i don't know how i get 100 MB on /17:25
javispedronot on /, but on the memory applet listed filesystems.17:25
magog_it's impossible, i think17:25
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magog_in memory applet17:25
magog_~19GB and 1,4 Gb free17:26
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javispedrothen other than the mad-developer package having failed to install no idea.17:27
magog_can you give me advice to solve this problem?17:28
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VenemoMohammadAG: do you feel like testing?17:40
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chem|stVenemo: feel what?17:44
Venemotesting my newest app17:44
chem|stVenemo: link?17:45
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chem|stVenemo: or if in testing the name...17:46
chem|sterhm devel17:46
Venemonot in the repos yet17:46
magog_what apps?17:46
magog_app*17:47
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Venemoit'll be a puzzle game17:47
magog_goof17:48
magog_good*17:48
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magog_i want to write some applicatins, but can't cinfigure n900+maddle17:50
Venemooh, yes17:50
VenemoI see your message on #maemo-devel17:50
Venemoyou don't need to use the command line at all if you want to connect your device with your PC17:50
Venemo1) install Mad Developer app on the N90017:51
magog_yes17:51
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Venemo2) configure USB networking with Mad Developer (you can use wifi too, then this is unnecessary)17:51
magog_yes17:51
Venemo3) open Qt Creator settings, go to the Maemo devices tab, then add your N90017:51
magog_yes17:51
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Venemoenter its IP, then enter a password. (click on "developer password" in Mad Developer on the N900 -> the password will be only valid until that dialog is on the screen)17:52
Venemoif it works, then you can deploy your SSH key17:52
magog_yes17:52
BCMMhow does that system compare with scratchbox? is it just for Qt applications?17:52
VenemoBCMM: no, it is for others too17:52
Venemoafter that, click on "test" -> if works, then you're done17:53
magog_Venemo: i did this17:53
BCMMand how does it work? is it basically just an automated way of copying your binary to the n900 and executing it there?17:53
VenemoBCMM: you can develop non-Qt too, but MADDE itself cooperates with Qt Creator well17:53
VenemoBCMM: yes, and it also contains the cross-compiler and other tools17:53
magog_i can build project in qt creator17:53
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cicianoshi all17:54
cicianoswhen I transfer something in the n900 where is ? which folder? (noob question)17:54
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magog_but i can't run it in n900 without copy deb packet from PC to N900 and install it on n90017:54
Venemowell then enable the "skip packaging step" option17:55
magog_cicianos: how do you transfers?17:55
BCMMcicianos: did you forget a word?17:55
cicianosBCMM: please?17:56
cicianosmagog_: a .deb file17:56
BCMMcicianos: if you're looking for the filesystem that the file manager lets you see, it's mounted at /home/user/MyDocs17:56
magog_Venemo: when? When I run project in qtcreator - run fails with error17:56
BCMMcicianos: no, i didn't mean please, i meant i didn't understand the "where is ? " bit17:56
cicianosBCMM: I went there but there is nothing.. maybe is because is still connected to the pc?17:56
BCMMcicianos: yeah, you need to disconnect17:56
cicianosBCMM: ah okk17:57
cicianoscheers17:57
BCMMcicianos: when you choose "mass storage mode", the n900 unmounts that filesystem so the PC can mount it17:57
BCMMit automatically mounts it again when you disconnect from the PC17:57
cicianosBCMM: ah ok now makes sense17:57
cicianosand another question: I tried apt-get install hostmode-gui but my n900 doesn t find the package17:58
magog_error is  "Error: Errot creating package: Command "dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us" return error.Code exiting: 255"17:58
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Venemomagog_: already told you to check the "skip packaging step" option17:59
Venemomagog_: you can find it in the project tab, under the maemo build config17:59
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magog_Venemo: i understand you18:03
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magog_i have in Build: General, Build step, clean step and build environment18:04
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magog_in Run i have: Create package and Deploy to device18:04
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cicianoscd /debian18:05
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Venemomagog_: Build/Build steps/Create package -> CLICK -> check "skip packaging step"18:11
cicianosno one knows?18:11
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Venemocicianos: what's the question?18:12
cicianos I tried apt-get install hostmode-gui but my n900 doesn t find the package18:13
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magog_Venemo: Build/Build steps/Create package - i haven't this18:14
Venemo[17:04] <magog_> in Run i have: Create package and Deploy to device18:14
magog_yes18:15
magog_in run18:15
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magog_i click18:15
magog_and see Version number, Adapt debian file and package manager icon18:16
magog_that is all18:16
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Venemois your Qt Creator up to date?18:16
magog_2.1.0_rc118:16
magog_Qt Creator 2.0.9418:17
magog_it is old?18:17
Venemomaybe this feature got removed from it18:17
Venemomine is the latest stable, not RC18:17
magog_2.1.0_rc1 - this in my gentoo from layman qting-edge18:18
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magog_Qt Creator 2.0.94 - this is in About menu in qt creator18:18
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Venemook18:19
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Jartzahmm18:22
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magog_i will try to update and see in 2.9999 or in 9999..18:23
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Venemothis was an idiot18:23
VenemoMohammadAG: ping18:25
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Venemoalterego: ping18:28
alteregopong18:28
Venemo:)18:29
alteregoOn N900 though, I'm waiting for bus home.18:29
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* SpeedEvil wonders if there is an API to get the latenesses of stagecoach busses.18:29
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alteregoSpeedEvil: gimmie :P18:30
alteregoI'm waiting for a Stagecoach now ..18:30
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alteregoThis time of day they're fscking bad18:30
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Venemo:P18:31
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Venemolcuk: ping18:31
SpeedEvilalterego: I know there is some sort of RF checkin with base - at least in Fife - as the signs update.18:32
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alteregoThe ones in Cambridge seem to just state the timetable.18:32
jacekowskithey do have that sort of thing in colchester as well18:33
jacekowskibut it only shows you ETA18:33
jacekowskinot when bus was supposed to be here18:33
alteregoCool18:34
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alteregoWell, things aren't helped by me being in the ass end of nowhere right now :D18:34
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SpeedEvilWhere ar eyou?18:37
rm_workwoo, finally got past firewall for IRC18:38
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* rm_work waves at lcuk / GAN900 / others18:38
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SpeedEvil:wave rm_work.18:39
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alteregofinally nus is here18:43
alteregobus ..18:43
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DocScrutinizeranybody with a clue about telepathy and rtcom, could you tell me which files to compare on working 1.1.1 vs non-working 1.2 userland device, regarding above (~2h ago) described problem with SIP calls?18:47
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: .rtcomm-accounts/*18:49
DocScrutinizeralterego: thanks18:49
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chem|stjacekowski: we got that ETA for busses in town too, actualy only for the mainstation but it is a smaller city... only 97k ppl18:50
DocScrutinizeralterego: any further idea what might cause this weird thing?18:50
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Gh0stynice ^^18:50
Gh0styusing the n900 as usb 3g router :p18:50
alteregoDocScrutinizer: dunno, didn't read you post, ang on.18:50
Gh0styi love it more and more ... the more i read about it the more i like it :p18:50
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slonopotamus_i hate the man who packaged busybox for maemo. find has -print0 but xargs doesn't have -018:51
Gh0styis there a way to take over the screen of the n900 over usb? :p18:51
alteregoDocScrutinizer: could you repaste, I'm getting bored of pgup on the N90018:51
DocScrutinizernp18:51
chem|stGh0sty: my 5 year old "just a" phone did that...18:52
chem|stGh0sty: sure with ssh and x2x18:52
slonopotamus_Gh0sty: 1. take usb videocam. 2. connect it to usb 3. point it at n900 4. ??? 5. PROFIT!18:52
chem|stbut you cannot see a mouse on it18:52
Gh0sty:P18:52
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DocScrutinizer[2010-12-14 15:53:22] <DocScrutinizer> what makes the "[x] use for phonecalls" settings option vanish, in settings->VoIP&Chat->{my sipgate account}->advanced_settings ?18:52
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-14 15:54:29] <DocScrutinizer> the VoIP account is so far correctly setup, as it signals inbound SIP calls - alas imediately as "missed call" without even starting to ring or anything18:52
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DocScrutinizer[2010-12-14 15:54:57] <DocScrutinizer> and for outbound calls I can't select this "service" in dialer18:52
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-14 15:55:50] <DocScrutinizer> as obviously this would need above mentioned settings-option in the SIP account config, and that vanished for unknown reason18:52
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-14 15:57:08] <DocScrutinizer> I know I probably should reflash, but prior to that I'd like to find out what is causing this strange error, and who or what created that cause18:52
Gh0stychem|st: oh thats not bad, just looking is enough18:53
* Gh0sty googles x2x18:53
chem|stGh0sty: 4. connect /dev/videoX of your system to /dev/video2 at n900 via ssh18:53
slonopotamus_chem|st: meh... you'll need usb hand for that18:53
Gh0styaah like that :)18:53
alteregoDocScrutinizer: don't know, check the differences in the account config, I've not managed to setup sip yet.18:53
DocScrutinizerI'm about to do that18:54
Gh0stythx for the tip chem|st18:54
alteregoThere is a "use for telephone numbers" option?18:54
alteregoin account settings ui, probably not you issue though.18:55
chem|stslonopotamus_: mplayer on both sides could do the trick...18:55
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yacc_Gh0sty, it's called x11vnc?18:58
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rm_workx2x also, but is it outdated or is it still maintained?18:59
chem|styacc_: not recommended for video transfer only...18:59
rm_workhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X2x19:00
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chem|strm_work: does not matter... it works!19:00
rm_work:P truth to that19:00
chem|stso have to catch a bus... later19:01
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trxDocScrutinizer about headset-control , this app is for that *one* button only, not for headsets with multiple buttons(next, pause, play, etc..)?19:03
DocScrutinizeryes19:03
trxis the limitation hardware or software?19:04
DocScrutinizertrx: the protocol to handle multimedia-multibutton-headsets isn't understood yet (by the people wo look into that for N900)19:04
DocScrutinizertrx: according to my investigations so far it's software19:05
trxoh, good19:05
trxi was under the impression that it was hardware limit...19:05
DocScrutinizerN95 hw looks rather similar to N900, regarding the AV connector19:05
DocScrutinizeralas I have no N95 and also no multibutton headset, so I hardly can do any tests to understand how signaling is done19:06
trxi have one from my old 580019:07
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trxbut i dont see any signals other than from dmseg19:07
trxdmesg*19:07
trxreporting that headset is connected19:07
DocScrutinizersome hw hacker in possession of a MB-headset, a matching phone, and a logic analyzer or better an oscilloscope, must do this19:08
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trxif i understand correctly signals are defined by resistance?19:09
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DocScrutinizercompletely unclear. Probably not - it's likely to be some serial protocol19:09
DocScrutinizerthink about it like if the one-button headset would do morse code with the one button19:10
DocScrutinizerjust faster19:10
trxyep19:10
DocScrutinizerthat's what I guess it will turn out to be19:10
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* SpeedEvil imagines a large morse key mounted as a medallion.19:11
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SpeedEvil60wpm SMS19:11
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DocScrutinizerbq27000 smart battery "bsi"19:13
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DocScrutinizerone-wire serial protocol19:13
DocScrutinizerif I had to design such a thing, I'd go for HDQ I guess19:14
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, who has an oscilloscope then19:14
trxi dont, thats for sure :)19:15
DocScrutinizerheh, good question19:15
* MohammadAG has access to one19:15
trxwill a multimeter do? :P19:15
DocScrutinizerhehe, alas not19:15
MohammadAGhow much time do I need?19:15
trxdidnt think so :)19:15
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: depends how good you are as an EE19:15
MohammadAGcause I doubt my school will take "I'm hacking a headset" as an answer19:16
trxlol19:16
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: if you prepare a few tools in advance, you'll need maybe 10 min19:16
MohammadAGo_O19:16
MohammadAGwhat's the procedure?19:17
DocScrutinizerbut having a bit of experience with scopes would help a lot19:17
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MohammadAGall I know it has a display, some buttons and dials and two plugs19:18
MohammadAGwell, my teacher -might- help19:18
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you need a AV adapter to plug to N95 and plug in headset, and have a convenient way to wiretap all 4 wires19:18
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MohammadAGhmm? what AV adapter?19:19
MohammadAGthe rest I have access to 3 of19:19
DocScrutinizerthen you attach the scope probe to GND and mic wire, and press a few buttons and see what the scope shows19:19
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MohammadAGoh, and mine makes that 419:19
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DocScrutinizerto make sure, you probe the audio-out L&R wires, though I think they shouldn't have any data signal or anything, except the music which you don't want to playback during test19:21
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MohammadAGactually, the headset can know when something is plugged into it19:22
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MohammadAGthe headset is a 2-plug one, one plug goes in the N95 which has only media controls and a mic19:23
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: actually your AV probe adapter might use a bit more sophisticated setup, if you can get access to a 2-channel scope (nowadays most are at least 2-chan)19:23
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MohammadAGthe other plug is a headset which goes into the media button part19:23
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DocScrutinizerooh, so it's a extension cable with controls19:24
MohammadAGif the latter isn't plugged, the N95 outputs sound to the loudspeaker19:24
MohammadAGiirc19:24
DocScrutinizer:nod:19:24
* MohammadAG checks19:24
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MohammadAGyep19:26
MohammadAGit doesn't show a symbol FYI19:26
MohammadAG(btw, testing N95 headset on an N86, can't find the N95's battery since I charge my N900 in it :P19:27
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DocScrutinizerdoesn't matter19:28
MohammadAGindeed19:28
yashaany news about an injection driver??19:29
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DocScrutinizeralterego: most significant difference in rtcom/accounts.cfg is the 1.2 has no param-password=abcdef entry anymore19:30
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MohammadAG[ 1329.788452] input: headset button as /class/input/input519:30
MohammadAGand indeed, the N900 doesn't give two shits about keypresses :P19:32
javispedroat the input layer, or application layer?19:32
javispedrohave you cat /dev/input/event519:32
MohammadAGalready have19:33
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javispedroif nothing appears on /dev/input/* then kernel is where you should look nex19:33
javispedrot19:33
javispedrobtw, I'm having a thought lately...19:34
DocScrutinizerirrelevant, it's been tested by me, and it's known to not work19:34
javispedroanyone has a reason why the N900 doesn't use SHM?19:34
javispedrosorry19:34
javispedroanyone has a reason why the N900 PulseAudio doesn't use SHM?19:34
DocScrutinizerwhatever that is19:34
MohammadAGjavispedro, the button has a dev input node, it just doesn't output anything19:34
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javispedroMohammadAG: more reason to go and see what the kernel does :)19:35
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that's because the mb-headset doesn't input anything reasonable to the N90019:35
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MohammadAGs/N900/kernel/ no?19:35
DocScrutinizerno, N900=hw19:36
MohammadAGhmm19:36
MohammadAGyou're right19:36
MohammadAGit detects it as a headset19:36
DocScrutinizerI already did that test, with multimeter and other tools, with MB-HS and N90019:36
MohammadAG(and how the f*** did my battery charge fully in 20 minutes?!)19:37
* javispedro ponders whether patching pulse to use SHM would be a performance benefit ...19:37
MohammadAGor a call dropper :P19:37
DocScrutinizerwhat is SHM?19:37
javispedroshared memory19:37
MohammadAGhmm19:37
MohammadAGshouldn't affect calls right?19:37
javispedroDocScrutinizer: yes, it doesn't use shared memory right now. you're reading that well. it does push every single byte of audio via a unix domain socket.19:38
MohammadAGcalls don't affect the CPU as much as internet calls do19:38
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DocScrutinizerI know, that's what PolypAudio does19:38
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javispedrothis polyp has some shm mode, but it's disabled on the n90019:39
DocScrutinizerbasic design principle, so it can do networked audio19:39
javispedroand I'm looking for a valid reason before I waste a few minutes trying to hack around it19:39
MohammadAGenable it19:39
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MohammadAGoh right19:39
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DocScrutinizerPoopAss is broken by design19:40
DocScrutinizeras is avahi19:41
javispedroDocScrutinizer: not necessarily, like the X11 server, it can use a socket for remote connections and shm for local ones19:41
javispedro... on X11 the benefit of using shm is way more appreciable though, for obvious reasons (large, static pixmaps, etc)19:42
DocScrutinizer51yes, of course19:42
javispedrowell, no valid cons in a few minutes19:42
javispedrotime to hack :)19:42
DocScrutinizer51see if you can find CONFIG-NUKE-POLYP19:44
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trxDocScrutinizer http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.bmc.de/20-605-200-0110_isa-bus-messkarten-bmc-messsysteme.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-819:51
trxby the text from there do you know if this can do what we need?19:51
trxi have one but never used it :/19:51
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DocScrutinizertrx: yes, this is really fine for the headset probing19:53
trxone problem tho19:54
trxactually two :)19:54
trxfirst, i dont have a n9519:54
trxi have 580019:54
trxwill that do?19:54
trxsecond, i first have to figure out how to use that card :)19:55
trxbrb19:56
DocScrutinizer51if the 5800 works with that multibutton headset then it's all you need19:56
trxit works with it19:56
trxit came with it19:56
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GAN900rm_work, hey-oh.20:00
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rm_work:P20:05
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rm_workso with IRC at work, hanging out here should be much easier20:05
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javispedrook, I got a prototype shm-systemmode-pulse working on my host, time to move to n900...20:12
lardmanhmm I can't see, to find any example code for setIndexWidget(), everyone seems to use custom delegates...20:12
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lardmanargh, delegates are for the entire table, so that's not ideal20:33
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lardmanwhy are tables such a pita20:33
lardman?20:33
* NooBmonk3y is eating pita.........20:33
* SpeedEvil is eating kippers.20:34
SpeedEvilnom.20:34
NooBmonk3ylol20:34
* javispedro wants pita20:34
NooBmonk3y:)20:35
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Venemogood morning NooBmonk3y :)20:35
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NooBmonk3yMorrrrrrrrrrrrrrnin20:35
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* SpeedEvil puts on some Marvin Gaye.20:39
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* Proteous prepares to nose nis n90020:40
Proteousslight citris hints with some vanilla and chocolate tones20:40
Proteousor is that the hand soap20:40
MohammadAGjavispedro, I think you beat you to it :P20:40
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MohammadAGhttp://i54.tinypic.com/142ympz.jpg muhahahaha20:43
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javispedroUnpacking replacement pulseaudio ...20:44
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javispedroMohammadAG: fortunately that should not prevent maemo to boot :)20:45
MohammadAGjavispedro, replacing pulseaudio is safe20:45
MohammadAGbut then again, I have no watchdog20:45
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javispedrowe just told each other the same thing. let's see what happens =)20:46
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MohammadAGjavispedro, IO error :P20:46
MohammadAGjavispedro, I knew I'd beat you to it20:46
javispedrobah, I lost.20:47
MohammadAGyou owe me a deb20:47
pupnikjavispedro: did you see my music vid?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAwoFZKUSQ20:48
javispedrook, preeliminary stupid benchmark: without shm, mplayer around 40%, pulseaudio around 13%20:48
pupnikneeds HD20:48
javispedrowait a bit, I'm going to break my n900 :)20:48
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pupnikno hurry.  just some fun20:50
pupniki'm very happy with the cellular-automata effect20:50
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lardmancome on chaps, does no-one know about setIndexWidget()?20:53
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magog_hi20:53
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magog_i saw last version of qt-creator. It is terrible20:55
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meceno it's not. it's quite nice.20:56
magog_no20:56
meceyes20:56
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MohammadAGwhat's terrible about it?20:56
magog_i don't find options for Maemo20:57
magog_for example20:57
magog_can't open *.pro projects20:57
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magog_can't create any type of project20:57
pupnikfacebook connections worldwide (large) http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1382.snc4/163413_479288597199_9445547199_5658562_14158417_n.jpg20:58
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lardmanmece: try adding anything to a VBoxLayout in QtDesigner, I've no clue how that's supposed to work21:02
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mecemagog_, well I can do all those things with qt creator, so obviously you're doing something wrong.21:03
mecelardman, I don't use qt designer.21:03
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BCMMi'm just getting in to Qt programming - at the risk of starting a flamewar, what are the pros and cons of using creator as opposed to just writing cpp and using qmake?21:04
magog_mece: version?21:04
BCMMi mean, using designer to arrange widgets21:05
magog_use hands and text editor and brain21:05
mecemagog_, no idea :D something recent.21:05
meceBCMM, well I use qt creator as a text editor with benefits21:05
BCMMmece: yeah, didn't mean to speak that broadly, i'm sure it has typical IDE code-completion features and all that21:06
magog_i tested this  in 2.1.84 and live  version of qt-creator21:06
BCMMi mean, drag 'n' drop versus typing out code for arranging widgets21:06
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BCMMi mean, are there features that are not easily accessible without using the designer? will it eventually get infeasibly complicated? or is it just a matter of personal taste?21:07
lardmanbut drag and drop doesn't work that well with it21:07
lardmanimho21:08
meceBCMM, well it's helpful when you don't know what you're doing, like me.21:08
BCMMi'm explaining myself badly21:08
meceanyway I have to go. Sorry to bud out mid-conversation. I guess qt creator is not for everyone, but I like it.21:08
lardmancu mece21:08
magog_i want to use it for maemo development21:09
BCMMah, so nothing really "missing" from hand-coding the GUI, just a matter of convenience and preference?21:09
lardmanmagog_: I use it fine for maemo dev, just curse the ui designer everytime I have to use it21:09
BCMMi've used it so far just to get an idea of what the different widget classes do21:09
magog_i can't run my app on device via usb21:10
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yaccJust out of curiosity, are there known problems with the n900 that would make it not recognize the SIM card, or is it just a case of a hardware fault and I should be googling for Nokia service centers?21:12
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magog_O_o21:12
BCMMyacc: i suppose you've tried taking sim card and batter out for a reasonable length of time, cleaning dust from simcard contacts, etc?21:12
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BCMM^battery21:13
BCMM(on no account batter your sim card, they still don't taste very good)21:13
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yaccBCMM, yeah, removing the SIM card and putting it in again usually helps. restarting the phone sometimes helps, offline & normal mode might help too, and sometime toogling Dual/GSM/3G helps too), ...21:14
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BCMMyacc: is it an old sim card?21:15
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andre__yacc: I've seen that problem several times myself too21:15
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yaccBCMM, less than 12 months, the only specific part being that it's from a "virtual operator", and I usually need to enable data roaming even in the home network.21:16
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yaccandre__, so what did you do?21:16
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andre__yacc, reboot, or slap the N900 on a table?21:16
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yaccandre__, *whistle* I can see that you've choosen a similar strategy, ...21:17
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yaccandre__, but it does not make me that happy if I happen to be offline while on the run, ...21:17
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yacchmmm, I guess I'll try a SIM card from a different operator for some time and see if the problem disappears, ...21:17
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andre__there is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10056 and some other report I can't find right now21:18
povbot`Bug 10056: Loses recognition of SIM Card after a while21:18
pupnikcheers for spelling loses right21:18
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yaccMy UK O2 card worked immediatly, but then this is not exactly a proof of anything, as turning it off and pulling the simcard out is one of the most reliable ways to get it going again, ...21:19
andre__probably https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=939121:19
povbot`Bug 9391: Cellular access unavaible with "no access" error but works after reboot21:19
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yaccPlease either contact Nokia Care services via www.nokia.com or contact the21:21
yacccompany who sold the product to you as hardware issues are out of scope for21:21
yaccmaemo.org Bugzilla.21:21
yaccThat makes me happy, NOT.21:21
andre__yacc: yeah, it didn't make me happy either, though I was the messenger of that statement :-/21:21
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magog_I create in qt creator simple maemo application - Hello world.21:22
magog_i configured n900 with qt creator21:23
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magog_"build project" work good21:23
magog_but when I do "run project" i have error: Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 25521:24
magog_what I should  do to run my application on n900?21:25
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andre__magog_, what OS do you run qt-creator on?21:27
magog_gentoo21:27
magog_i know that in gentoo there is no dpkg21:28
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magog_but i read wiki and try to do this via mad/mad-admin. But I can't create runtime.21:29
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magog_./mad-admin create n900 -a 192.168.2.1521:30
magog_Copying setup files to runtime failed21:30
magog_Creating runtime 'n900' with address '192.168.2.15' failed21:30
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RST38h"Researchers have recorded a relation between arithmetical operations done by SCP-468-1 and the movement of SCP-468-2. For example, SCP-468-1 moving to multiply 10 and 32 resulted in a 10 by 32 grid pattern, with outlying houses forming a perimeter around the resultant grid."21:33
Arkenoi468?21:35
magog_=(21:35
RST38hArkenoi: the Chinese village abacus21:36
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yaccandre__, another feature of my n900 seems to be that it takes sometimes extremely long to reacquire GSM/UMTS at all (voice too, not only data), e.g. I ride down into the garage, which is no coverage, when I get out of the garage, sometimes the phone has not rediscovered the network after driving the whole length of Vienna.21:38
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yaccandre__, and I think I'm similar to the first one, because the "no sim" inserted pop ups, if it does the next time, I'll check if my IMEI is missing too.21:39
MohammadAGjavispedro, how's it going? :P21:39
andre__yacc: Vienna, this satellite city with >50meter high skyscrapers everywhere that make reception harder? :-P21:40
ArkenoiRST38h, ah, nice thing21:40
andre__I think I've also seen a ticket about that IIRC21:40
MohammadAGvienna's skycrapers? or the N900?21:40
MohammadAGooh, nice typo21:40
MohammadAGskyscrapers*21:40
trumeeclick on menus suck in microb. instead of dropping down and stop, an extra click even is registered.21:41
javispedroMohammadAG: no appreciable difference in performance :(21:41
MohammadAGjavispedro, I WIN!21:41
trumeego to www.ebuyer.com and click on any menu, the behaviour is different to firefox.21:41
trumeeanybody noticed that?21:41
yaccandre__, no Vienna in Austria, the city where you have full coverage in the underground, and where the stupid telcos are already putting in LTE, ...21:42
andre__yacc, ;-)21:42
MohammadAGtrumee, that's cause you're moving a mouse in firefox, not clicking it21:42
MohammadAGuse hover mode21:42
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trumeeMohammadAG, i see.21:43
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MohammadAGbefore asking what that is, read the manual :P21:43
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yaccandre__, yeah, LTE in the city where I can have unlimited 100mbit/10mbit cable in most places, LTE where the business models calls for pay-by-mb will be really competive, ...21:43
yaccandre__, especially as for most stuff you want to do on a mobile EDGE is quite okay, ...21:43
* trumee hugs MohammadAG for the tip. Was making me go crazy.21:45
andre__impressive21:45
* andre__ still has Vienna on the to-do list though it's only 4 hours by train, grumble21:46
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yaccandre__, anyway, I'll switch tomorrow to a prepaid SIM from yesss.at which is virtual on top of Orange AT, and see if it goes away, if so, I can assume it's a compatibility with SIM card or bad SIM card problem. If it happens again, I'll have to assume it's hardware, and my brand new N900 wanders to Nokia. Wonder if they can figure out from the IMEI how young the device or if I need to find the invoice, ...21:46
yaccandre__, 4 hours? That would be Munich?21:47
andre__more to the north than to the west :)21:47
yaccPrague? *lol* Cracow would be more like 5 hours nowadays by car.21:47
andre__bingo :-P21:47
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yaccNow that leaves the question if there is a way to backup the Flash or do I need to install MeeGo on SDHC to be able to backup the internal flash as a block device?21:49
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yaccandre__, well, I have to admit I know CZ only from going through it, and the biggest city that I've been passing through has been Brno, and that one had passby motorway already in the Communist times.21:50
andre__hehe. yeah, it's something to pass when taking the train to Berlin, I agree :-P21:51
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magog_somebody know hove to solve my problem or not?21:57
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luke-jrWAIT WHAT22:05
luke-jrSimply Mobile really needs to make their fine print bigger22:05
luke-jr"All telecom taxes *included* in the plan price"22:05
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yaccluke-jr, I'd say that's the norm in most civilized places. OTOH we still haven't fixed that one for flights, although they are starting to move into this direction, ...22:07
luke-jryacc: over here the norm is about $10 more in taxes22:08
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magog_how to create runtime on n900 via madde22:13
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MohammadAGhmm, how does one use /dev/ttyACM0?22:17
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andre__magog_, see http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/QtCreator_integration_for_windows ?22:17
lardman~lart setIndexWidget()22:17
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magog_andre__: how it can help me if i use linux?22:21
siceloMohammadAG, /dev/ttyACM0: I think it is just a modem. (but i think i'm not getting your true meaning :/)22:21
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MohammadAGhmm, so it's not a console? :/22:21
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MohammadAGwhat use is the N900's modem in a rescue image22:21
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andre__magog_, well, you never said that. what is the *exact* problem?22:23
andre__which exact steps (URL?) did you follow?22:23
magog_i did all from wiki22:23
magog_and from docs from madde22:23
siceloMohammadAG: unfortunately i don't yet own N900. but generally, /dev/ttyACM0 is a modem, and can be used through wvdial. I think the driver is cdc-acm22:24
magog_but i can't create runtime22:24
yaccMohammadAG, ttyACM0 in a rescue image does not make to much sense, I guess.22:24
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MohammadAGI enabled USB networking, and got ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection refused22:24
MohammadAGwanted to turn off the backlight, and ">" isn't a char I can type in the rescue image22:25
MohammadAGwhich is... kinda retarded22:25
yaccMohammadAG, ttyACM0 is basically more or less an UMTS modem, with the slight difference that it will not honor the dial command, it will instead share your mobile connection.22:25
magog_and when i try to create qemu runtime - i get "QEMU startup failed"22:25
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yaccMohammadAG, so for my place the emergency internet connectivity when my cable modem goes on strike, is having the N900 use USB routing to my PC for Internet access, while the PC is using wvdial and the N900's ttyACM0 to connect to the Internet via UMTS. I know sounds a little bit sick, but works like a charm, ...22:26
MohammadAGyeah, but use is that in an N900 rescue image :P22:27
MohammadAGnot a human rescue image22:27
MohammadAGI wonder how long shrinking the eMMC is going to take22:27
yaccMohammadAG, well, that depends if you have the possibility to connect to the mobile network in the rescue image, it might make sense.22:29
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MohammadAGit's just a shell script at boot up :P22:30
yaccAnyway, the g_nokia.ko module that happens to provide the USB networking also creates ttyACM0.22:30
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andre__magog_, as long as you don't even tell me the wikipage nobody will be able to help you.22:31
andre__I asked for the URL already.22:31
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magog_andre__: http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/Device_runtime22:32
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andre__magog_, and the problem is what exactly?22:34
magog_on 4 step22:34
magog_i can't create runtime22:34
andre__...and why?22:34
andre__output, please.22:34
magog_i do ./mad-admin create n900 -a 192.168.2.1522:35
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magog_Copying setup files to runtime failed22:35
magog_Creating runtime 'n900' with address '192.168.2.15' failed22:35
magog_this is output22:35
andre__magog_, there is nothing like that mentioned in step 422:35
magog_4. ON HOST: Create runtime22:36
andre__ah. you are in Step *3* Set up a "Device runtime"22:36
andre__section 4 of step 3. ooookay.22:36
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magog_yes22:36
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javispedroso, not using shm is actually faster :(22:41
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javispedroeven though it writes around 100KiB of data per second22:41
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magog_i can't understand why it not work22:43
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magog_andre__: what do you think about it&22:55
magog_?22:55
andre__is that the complete output? nothing else?22:56
magog_that is complete output22:56
magog_n22:58
andre__magog_, and your n900 is not connected via usb or something? the ip address is definitely right? you can ssh on it?23:04
magog_yes23:04
magog_ssh work23:05
magog_ping work23:05
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magog_connected via usb23:05
magog_qt-creator test work good? too23:05
magog_qt-creator test work good, too23:05
Venemomagog_: then what's the problem?23:11
andre__magog_, so while trying this with you have the N900 connected via usb? did you try without usb?23:12
magog_yes23:13
magog_try via wlan23:13
andre__which of my two questions did you answer with "yes"?23:13
MohammadAGhow do I create a btrfs partition?23:14
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magog_this problem repeats with any type of connection23:16
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andre__magog_, can you answer my question?23:20
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magog_andre__: i answered for all your questions23:21
andre__magog_, no, you did not23:21
andre__<andre__> which of my two questions did you answer with "yes"?23:21
magog_O_o23:21
andre__magog_, so while trying to install via wifi is your N900 connected via usb?23:22
magog_yes23:23
andre__so try without.23:23
magog_now trying23:24
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magog_andre__:23:27
magog_ssh to developer@192.168.2.15 failed - exit23:27
magog_Creating runtime 'n900' with address '192.168.2.15' failed23:27
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andre__magog_, that is the output from "mad-admin" on your computer (not the n900), right?23:29
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nomischem|st: seen my package link?23:30
magog_yes23:31
lcuknomis, is your package on -devel?23:32
andre__magog_, so the times that you tried before you did not get that "ssh to" output line, right?23:32
lcukhi andre__ \o23:32
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andre__heja lcuk23:32
lcukfollowed you back on twitter23:32
nomislcuk: no, this one: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/tvbgone_1.0.0-1_all.deb23:32
lcukI was sure you only used to use that account for testing last time I looked23:32
lcuknomis, is the source alongside that?23:32
nomislcuk: well it is python, so "yes".23:33
andre__lcuk, you remember correctly. :) however I think I set up to forward all postings from identi.ca to twitter23:33
magog_yes23:33
lcuknomis, ahhh did not realise :) good job sir!  I saw you post it the other night and wondered23:33
andre__magog_: according to the last output you try to connect as the user "developer". does that user exist on your n900?23:33
magog_when my device connected i haven't this in output23:33
andre__magog_, I assume you have to be the user root instead, but I can only guess. Never used MADDE myself23:33
andrei1089hello, i'm trying to play a video in a QML file, but i'm getting some strange errors, can anybody give me a hand ? here's the code and the output http://pastebin.com/R9wYu9F723:33
nomislcuk: I have to check the actual timings sent. However, it should do the same as my c test program on the syscall level, so I don't expect relevant discrepancies.23:34
magog_andre__: i have user developer23:35
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magog_andre__: and i connect with this user via ssh without password23:38
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andre__then I have no idea.23:39
magog_if this problem doesn't solve only sdk leave23:39
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RST38hAssange described himself as a 'passionate, and often pig headed activist intellectual.' Assange said he was seeking a 'siren for [a] love affair, children and occasional criminal conspiracy' adding that he was 'directing a consuming, dangerous human rights project which is, as you might expect, male dominated' and added enigmatically: 'I am DANGER, ACHTUNG.'23:43
RST38hAchtung indeed...23:43
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ieatlinthaha..  yeah.. his okcupid profile is kinda creepy23:45
ieatlintand predates the conception of wikileaks, so he's speaking of something else there23:46
RST38hMost online dating profiles are either creepy or sad, so nothing unusual there23:46
pupnikhahah23:46
pupnikbut in that case true23:46
pupnikand he copied the richard james 'come to daddy' album cover for his pic too23:47
pupnikat least a little23:47
pupnik(gloriously offtopic)23:47
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, got meego on the eMMC :D23:50
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