IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-12-13

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MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, I just used the 07 Dec image00:01
lolloo_why does it keep booting to meego00:01
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lolloo_i cant stop it !00:02
MohammadAGhttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.9.20101207.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 NooBmonk3y00:02
lolloo_i cant flash my phone anymoe, u-boot keeps booting into meego00:03
MohammadAGremove the battery, run flasher till it says Waiting for device or whatever, connect the USB, insert battery00:04
NooBmonk3yty Mo! :) :)00:05
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MohammadAGyw00:06
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NooBmonk3ylol was 150kb/s and going sloooooooooooow, now randomly 1.5mb/s lol00:07
NooBmonk3yand dropping back down again :(00:07
NooBmonk3yback to 150 :(00:07
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Saviqhi all, do you maybe have an explanation of this behavior with the N900 battery - when reflashed, clean, it lasted 4-5 days on light use, but when I synced some music, that dropped to about 2 days...00:09
Termanagood morning00:10
SaviqI'm thinking about maybe tracker being a bit aggressive on the CPU? does it scan when on battery and not directly requested?00:10
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comawhitehow are the ovi maps (latest firwware)?00:10
NooBmonk3ySaviq, never got more then 14 hours, you don't use it enough :P00:12
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NooBmonk3ymorning Termana00:12
SaviqNooBmonk3y: not me, my wife00:12
SaviqNooBmonk3y: I'm getting 1-1.5 days at the most00:12
NooBmonk3y:P00:12
lolloo_guys, even when i connect my charger to my phone u-boot start00:12
lolloo_and lets me into meego00:13
NooBmonk3ylolloo_, is it on the memory card?00:13
lolloo_yes but i have remove the memory card00:13
Saviqlolloo_: you need to either remove the sd card or write 'run noloboot'00:13
NooBmonk3yrandom!00:13
Saviqlolloo_: you have removed the sd card and you're still getting meego!?00:13
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Saviqthat doesn't sound right, unless you've flashed it onto the device itself00:14
lolloo_no but it turns off the phone00:14
lolloo_and i when i plug the charger u-boot starts again00:14
Saviqlolloo_: yes, that's normal00:14
NooBmonk3ylolloo_,  guide says "If you are unable to get back into Maemo, please follow http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware in order to reflash your device. This will destroy your current Maemo setup, but return your device to a working state"00:14
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lolloo_really?00:14
Saviqwhen you didn't have uboot it still started a minimal maemo system00:15
Saviqto handle the charging00:15
lolloo_but when i keep pressing U it still boots to u-boot00:15
Saviqand that's exactly what happens now00:15
NooBmonk3yor "For the technically minded, you can flasher '-F <firmware image> -u' and 'flasher -f zImage -R' to get your original kernel back and hopefully get back to your current Maemo setup. If you have used other kernels than PR1.3 kernel as is required, this will not work."00:15
lolloo_ok minimal maemo system00:16
lolloo_but u-boot starts00:16
lolloo_and no light00:16
lolloo_but i can see it booting.00:17
Saviqlolloo_: that's normal when you connect a charger00:17
lolloo_ok what shall i do, i know how flash procedure goes00:17
SaviqU only works when connecting to a USB port00:17
Saviqlolloo_: the procedure is the same00:17
lolloo_yes thats the problem, i cant let my pc recognise my phone as flash nokia00:18
MohammadAGblame windows00:18
lolloo_heh00:18
lolloo_strange, when i connect my charger while its off, u-boot starts00:19
lolloo_and then lets me go to meego00:19
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Saviqmeego or maemo?00:19
lolloo_even without turning on the phone00:19
lolloo_meego00:20
Saviqwith the sd card out?00:20
MohammadAGthat's not possible00:20
lolloo_with sd card out it run noloboot automatically00:20
NooBmonk3ythats what i thought00:20
jacekowskiuboot is in nand00:20
lolloo_but the phones turns off00:20
Saviqlolloo_: and that's standard behavior when connecting to a charger00:20
jacekowskibut probably has no checking for sd card00:20
Saviqjacekowski: it does00:20
Saviqjacekowski: it tries the mmc and runs nolo otherwis00:21
Saviq+e00:21
MohammadAGdefault is mmc, indeed00:21
lolloo_yes it run noloboot but after that it turns off00:21
lardmannight all00:21
Saviqlolloo_: when connecting to a PC the device should be 'hijacked' by flasher00:21
NooBmonk3ynight lardman00:21
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MohammadAGrun it again00:21
MohammadAGthat's normal00:21
MohammadAGnight larsivi00:21
lolloo_your right Saviq00:21
* MohammadAG sighs, sorry00:22
lolloo_but it doest00:22
lolloo_not00:22
MohammadAGwindows00:22
Saviqyeah, that's probably the issue00:22
MohammadAGit can't enumerate devices quickly00:22
NooBmonk3ynight alls ;) - may try meego tomorrow ;)00:22
MohammadAGnight NooBmonk3y00:22
jacekowskiMohammadAG: nah00:22
jacekowskiMohammadAG: nolo will wait00:22
NooBmonk3yty for your help earlier mo, see ya'll 2moro00:22
jacekowskiMohammadAG: for a while00:22
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: it's only internal ROM that's impatient00:23
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MohammadAGjacekowski, idk, never flashed with windows, but uboot immediately starts00:23
MohammadAGless than a second00:23
lolloo_yes uboot imediatly starts!00:23
jacekowskiwith U pressed?00:23
lolloo_yes00:23
jacekowskithat shouldn't happen00:23
Saviqjacekowski: yes, same here00:23
jacekowskiunless they changed something in new nolo00:23
Saviqlolloo_: that's because flasher on windows does not 'hijack' the device fast enough00:24
lolloo_yes maybe00:24
jacekowskiSaviq: there is no need for that00:24
* Arkenoi thinks about designing alternate back cover (with better stand and maybe even microsd to sd slot converter) and manufacturing it in china.. would you buy such a thing?00:24
lolloo_but when connecting charger meego start even without turning on the phone00:24
MohammadAGon ubuntu it works nicely00:24
MohammadAGjacekowski, no, U works on ubuntu, told you it's windows00:24
Saviqjacekowski: oh wait, actually it waits when U is pressed _while_ turning on00:24
Saviqlolloo_: tried that ^?00:24
jacekowskiSaviq: if nolo detects 5V on usb port it will wait00:24
jacekowskiuntill some timeout00:25
jacekowskii don't remember how long00:25
Saviqjacekowski: uboot starts immediately here00:25
Saviqlike half a second00:25
jacekowskiif enumeration happens00:25
jacekowskiit will stay like that for very long time00:25
jacekowskiotherwise will switch off00:25
Saviqunless I keep U pressed00:25
jacekowskior boot linux00:26
jacekowskipossibly00:26
jacekowskii never disassembled 1.3 nolo00:26
jacekowskijust 1.200:26
luke-jr1.3 has new NOLO?00:26
jacekowskiyes00:26
jacekowskithere are some minor changes00:26
Saviqlolloo_: try pressing U _while_ connecting the USB cable00:27
jacekowskibut i never looked what are they exactly00:27
Saviqlolloo_: stays on flash-mode until I disconnect it00:27
MohammadAG(or run flasher-3.5 -R)00:27
lolloo_yes i keep it open00:28
lolloo_but it doesnt catch it00:28
Saviqlolloo_: "open"? you mean pressed?00:28
lolloo_i mean flasher00:28
lolloo_and also 'u'00:29
Saviqah ok00:29
lolloo_bok now i removed mmc,00:29
lolloo_rmeoved back cover00:29
lolloo_and connected charger00:29
lolloo_but keeps rebooting00:29
lolloo_and doesnt recharge00:29
MohammadAGwell, something's wrong with your modules then00:29
Saviqlolloo_: do you mean to flash or to recharge?00:29
MohammadAGSaviq, I think he has the kernel without the modules00:30
lolloo_how can i solve that?00:30
lolloo_it keeps rebooting00:30
MohammadAGflash stock kernel00:30
lolloo_while charger plugged00:30
lolloo_i would love to flash,00:31
lolloo_but00:31
lolloo_u-boot starts and ignores key 'u'00:31
MohammadAGthat's impossible00:31
lolloo_wow00:31
MohammadAGsince it's not the kernel that handles U00:31
MohammadAGhold U, then plug the cable00:31
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lolloo_even when holding 'u' u-boot starts ignoring me00:33
MohammadAGu-boot isn't even present when you should be holding U00:34
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lolloo_so strange, that penguin keeps showing up00:35
lolloo_even with u key presses and then i plug usb00:35
Saviqlolloo_: why do you connect the charger?00:35
lolloo_just checking00:36
MohammadAGk, do this00:36
MohammadAGplug in the USB00:36
MohammadAGwhen uboot starts, press any key00:36
lolloo_ok00:36
MohammadAGtype reset, press enter and immediately hold U00:36
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lolloo_it ignores u! and the penguin shows up00:37
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lolloo_ok rmeoved mmc, back cover, connected usb, booted to u-boot, pressed anykey00:41
lolloo_typed reset and imediatly pressed 'u'00:41
lolloo_but it still keeps booting back to u-boot00:41
lolloo_as if nothing pressed00:41
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MohammadAGk, windows is retarded, usb a hub (might not work) or boot into linux00:42
lolloo_alright00:42
lolloo_maybe windows.00:42
MohammadAGthp, ping00:42
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lolloo_thanks Moh. i will try ubuntu live cd.00:47
lolloo_reset command is good one too.00:47
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crashanddieJaffa: pong00:56
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MohammadAGLOL? ^01:33
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BCMM_MohammadAG: does your client not show you global notices?01:42
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MohammadAGit does01:43
MohammadAGbut the notice came in 5 minutes after it quit01:43
BCMM_heh, didn't notice that01:44
BCMM_that sounds like quite a database issue...01:44
thpMohammadAG: pong01:44
MohammadAGhey thp :) you've worked with parsing .desktop files before right?01:45
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Jaffacrashanddie: was pondering on who it was you tapped up for MohammadAG's efforts.01:49
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Arkenoibtw did anyone ever successfully got flash 10.1 from TI?01:50
MohammadAGthp, thought you might be interested in http://i53.tinypic.com/qqtv6s.jpg, as it's hardcoded to those apps for now01:50
MohammadAGStskeeps did, don't bother asking him though01:51
Arkenoiwow01:51
JaffaAnd it's shit01:51
Arkenoiso it is really possible01:52
MohammadAG^01:52
Arkenoialmost sure it is shit, as it has no hw acceleration anyways01:52
Arkenoiany other problems with it?01:52
MohammadAGprobably doesn't include flash 10.1 features01:52
MohammadAGi.e you're better off with a sed'd version01:52
Arkenoi10.1 which is not really 10.1? omfg.01:55
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MohammadAGanyone used quilt in here?01:56
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TermanaMohammadAG, what do you want to know? Is it a complex problem? :p01:58
MohammadAGTermana, why do I have a feeling you've never used it?01:59
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TermanaMohammadAG, sure I have, the MeeGo kernel tree uses quilt01:59
TermanaSo I've used it. Just not much02:00
MohammadAGoh nice :)02:00
MohammadAGhow do I specify strip level?02:00
MohammadAGI've tried QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push -a -q fold -p0, but it isn't working02:00
jacekowski-p102:02
javispedroI do not think "accelerated" Flash 10.1 mobile exists.02:02
MohammadAGjacekowski, that's default, I want it set to 002:03
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javispedroMohammadAG: you do not specify strip level02:03
javispedrosuposeddly you should not fiddle with quilt's made patches02:03
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javispedroif you want to insert an external patch, either apply it then quilt diff or just quilt import it02:04
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MohammadAGit's not quilt made02:04
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TermanaMohammadAG, you have added the patch to quilt's patch list?02:05
MohammadAGyes02:05
MohammadAGmeh, I'll just patch it in manually02:05
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TermanaHave you tried making it -p num rather than -pnum02:06
javispedroah, you are using fold02:06
TermanaProbably won't make a difference, but some things are fiddly.02:06
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* javispedro fails to parse MohammadAG's command line02:07
javispedrodoes quilt accept two commands in one invocation or what?02:07
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thpMohammadAG: what's hardcoded?02:11
MohammadAGthe apps02:11
thpMohammadAG: or more specifically: what's that in the screenshot? ;)02:11
MohammadAGthp, ever used a 5800?02:12
MohammadAGhttp://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/19/0,,i=193488&sz=1,00.jpg02:12
thpah, so you are patching hildon-desktop to show that bar when you come from the edge of the screen?02:14
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MohammadAGno, it's just a media bar that shows (actually, should, no code yet) when you touch the proximity (the 5800 has a dedicated button)02:15
MohammadAGand it's not patching hildon-desktop, it's completely ignoring it :P02:15
thpnice concept. would love to see that02:15
thpyou need code for parsing .desktop files?>02:15
MohammadAGyeah, to set the shortcuts02:16
thppython? or c?02:16
MohammadAG(it's in Qt btw)02:16
MohammadAGC++ :P02:16
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thpthere's a .ini-style file reader i think02:16
MohammadAGever worked with Qt signals btw?02:17
thpyes02:17
MohammadAGtrying to do something like  connect(ui->button1, SIGNAL(clicked()), this, SLOT(openApplication(QString("mediaplayer"))));02:17
thpthat does'nt work ;)02:17
MohammadAGas expected :)02:17
thpyou can't pass a QString there like you do02:18
thpyou can only connect the signal directly02:18
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thpi.e. SIGNAL(clicked()), SLOT(openApplication())02:18
MohammadAGyeah, I know that02:18
MohammadAGbut I want something that passes a string02:18
thpthere you can then use a switch with QObject::sender()02:18
MohammadAGoh02:18
MohammadAGthat's new to me02:18
thpit might not be kosher, but "Works for me(tm)"02:19
thp-> Warning: This function violates the object-oriented principle of modularity. However, getting access to the sender might be useful when many signals are connected to a single slot.02:20
thpMohammadAG: and QSignalMapper might allow to do things like "send string as parameter for when button1 is the source", but i've heard it might be slow02:21
* MohammadAG violates OOP02:22
thpmaemo.org is down02:25
jacekowskiyou have to say "akamai sucks"02:25
jacekowskiand it will start working again02:25
MohammadAGamsn_0.98.4-maemo0.tar.gz                                                                                                              49% 6824KB  54.7KB/s   02:08 ETA02:25
MohammadAGstill working for me ^02:25
MohammadAG(drop.maemo.org at least)02:26
jacekowskirepository.maemo.org is somewhere else02:26
MohammadAGmy bad then :)02:26
MohammadAGthough it's up for me02:26
MohammadAG(m.o)02:27
thpMohammadAG: and i want to see that app launcher :) not only with apps, but with scriptable actions if possible02:27
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MohammadAGthp, where did you get the docs for switching the sender?03:00
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GeneralAntillesHmm, when did Stephen ship the first bug jar?03:35
GeneralAntilles2008?03:35
prontoi have a bug :o03:36
prontohttp://pronto185.com/n900/camera/Omg.wtf.ahhh.12_12_2010.jpg03:36
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myuOH FUCK03:39
myuI hate those things03:39
myuso much03:39
myuI think that one is big enough to eat a mouse03:39
johnxpronto, which component was that in? "kitchen-counter" or "floor"?03:39
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prontojohnx: floor03:40
johnxyeah, floor is pretty buggy it seems :|03:40
myuneed to debug the floor03:40
myuimo03:40
prontoi agree03:41
krayonInstall surface-spray-git03:41
GeneralAntillesmyu, they eat other bugs.03:41
myuand rats03:41
myuits just childhood trauma03:41
myuirrational fears03:42
GeneralAntillesHehe03:42
GeneralAntillesThis is what I usually see crawling around: http://extension.entm.purdue.edu/urban/new_urban/images/changlu_pics/American_cockroach2.jpg03:42
* Jaffa should go to bed.03:43
javispedrothe "bed" component is also buggy.03:43
javispedrothere's no escape.03:43
Jaffa01:43 local time is not a sensible time to have been watching Matt Smith on Craig Ferguson's chat show.03:43
Jaffajavispedro: At least I can reboot my brain03:43
GeneralAntillesBut tomorrow's only Monday.03:44
JaffaWork, tho'03:45
krayonGeneralAntilles: Ours are better: http://australian-insects.com/imguploads/Australian-Cockroach.jpg03:45
GeneralAntilleskrayon, but do yours FLY?03:45
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krayonGeneralAntilles: Actually, I've never seen them fly :/ So either they can't ... or are just somewhat reluctant to do so whilst I'm trying to kill them.03:47
GeneralAntilleskrayon, interesting. Evidently yes, and we've got a lot of those here in Florida, too.03:49
GeneralAntillesApparently fairly closely related.03:49
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JaffaThis sounds like a conversation about the sequels to Tremors now ;-)03:50
JaffaMine don't fly, but they are bi-pedal heat seakers.03:50
GeneralAntillesThat series had disturbing longevity.03:50
* Jaffa never saw the TV series; nor Tremors 4 (IIRC)03:51
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myuaus has some pretty hardcore spiders03:54
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myuim pretty sure id shit myself over there03:54
myuin a rural area of course03:55
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GeneralAntillesAnybody know why the N900 hardware meetings were cancelled?03:56
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: ping Stskeeps on #meego ;-)04:00
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GeneralAntillesJaffa: I'm sure he's not awake.04:00
prontoand the floor is de-bugged04:00
JaffaGeneralAntilles: He'd be stupid to in his TZ.04:00
JaffaOh.04:00
JaffaRight.04:00
JaffaGone.04:00
JaffaG'night04:00
GeneralAntillesJaffa: but if you want to try to dig out the reason in the morning if I don't catch him before I go to bed. . . .04:00
GeneralAntillesnight04:00
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prontohttp://pronto185.com/n900/camera/Hahaha.i.win.this.time.mr.evil.bug.12_12_2010.jpg see, floor= debugged04:03
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comawhitesince maemo is "dead" will the control be given to the community to allow work to be added etc? or not?04:31
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luke-jrcomawhite: nope :/05:01
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comawhiteluke-jr, lame05:02
luke-jru05:03
luke-jr:p05:03
* comawhite throws a windows phone 7 at luke-jr 05:04
* SpeedEvil watches as the phone hits luke-jr and bounces off in a strangely kinetic flowing manner.05:05
javispedro"Spurious DMA IRQ" -- first time I see it :)05:05
javispedrowell, time to go. cya.05:06
MohammadAGhttp://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediabar you know you want it05:06
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MohammadAGhttp://i53.tinypic.com/qqtv6s.jpg ^05:07
MohammadAGI'll up source tomorrow, too tired now :/05:07
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ShadowJKcomawhite, community did updates for Maemo4, I expect to see the same thing for Maemo5, though once MeeGo comes out on an actual device people will jump there anyways..05:09
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comawhiteShadowJK, probably so, but people will still have it for another year or so. Depending on prices and also depending on how MeeGO picks up in the market05:13
comawhiteShadowJK, If the MeeGo phone is like the N900 but better (from all the reasons I heard bad of the N900), then I would see more people leaving the N900 behind05:14
comawhiteBut not at the start05:14
comawhitefor at least a few months if any05:15
ShadowJKYeah unfortunately it looks like many of the things that make N900 good is getting thrown away :)05:16
comawhiteBut if I don't like the meego phone that comes out, i'll just use my n900 until a better one05:16
comawhiteShadowJK, I hope the hell not05:16
comawhiteShadowJK, from what I've seen the n900 is capable of doing, I don't want anything gone, only improved and more added05:16
comawhitelike I want the phone to expand the screen to full front screen, keep the IR, a better gui system, lighter, faster05:17
comawhitemaybe more memory05:17
ShadowJKI saw this interview with Nokia design vice executive or something, he said something like that phones these days kinda suck because they can only be used by staring at the screen, so they're going to remove all hardware keys (?!)05:17
comawhiteand batter battery05:17
comawhiteall hardware keys?05:18
ShadowJKnfi05:18
comawhitewhat voice activation everything?05:18
comawhitei never liked voice controlled apps05:18
comawhitetoo glitchy05:18
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ShadowJKI don't think it makes sense, if you want to use it without looking at it you need more interfaces with tactile feedback so you don't have to actually look at where you're pressing on the touchscreen05:19
comawhiteThe N900 is very powerful, but it never really took off so to speak05:19
ShadowJKDefinitely more memory though, it's the biggest weakness05:19
ShadowJKall that stuttering05:19
comawhitei get my phone wednesday ;P05:19
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comawhitei didn't really see the fat problems other users complained, because i got to touch one in my job interview and it wasn't what people claimed05:20
comawhitebut that's only my opinion05:20
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ShadowJKWell.. There's alot of people that are like "Oooh, it has a shoot-self-in-foot feature! Hmm.. I don't know how to use it, but there's a thread on the forum how to shoot self in foot, I'll ask there and follow the instructions unless they tell me to go back to page 1 and read the instructions already posted" (3 days later) "Hey I shot myself in the foot, this phone sucks! You suck!"05:22
comawhiteWell I use Gentoo, I shot myself in the foot for months trying to understand that distro, now I enjoy it and love it :)05:22
comawhitei still get critised for loving Gentoo :P05:23
ShadowJKAnd then there was this guy yesterday that was like "Why does it corrupt my filesystem all the time? I overclocked to 2Ghz and undervolted, but that's unrelated"05:23
comawhitemoron05:23
comawhiteit's a cell phone, it's not suppose to be overclocked05:24
comawhitesure it's a OS on steroids05:24
comawhitebut that's besides the point05:24
ShadowJKbtw, luke is the local stallman, and he's also been trying to get KDE running on his N900 :-)05:25
comawhitehehe05:25
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comawhitei hope KDE can run on it one day, but i want to see that more on meego when it's released05:26
comawhitebut tbh, i think the meego phone will have more memory05:26
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comawhitehow's meego on the n900?05:27
ShadowJKno power management atm, it doubles as handwarmer05:27
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comawhitehehe05:27
ShadowJKgotta run, good luck with the n900 and have the firmware images and flasher utility ready for when you shoot self in foot ;-)05:28
comawhiteShadowJK, what about nitroid?05:28
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comawhitehehe later05:28
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DocScrutinizerArkenoi: (buy) actually I would07:52
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RST38hWell. Moorning.08:01
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DocScrutinizermorning RST38h08:05
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RST38hhttp://gizmodo.com/5712693/watch-the-metrodome-collapse-from-the-inside08:52
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lfod-damn, i heard about it, crazy, can you imagine if that happened during gametime?08:57
RST38hyes.08:57
RST38hwould be mighty spectacular, too.08:57
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DocScrutinizerconsidering the fact that this clip made it on virtually avery TV station's newsflash on this globe, I bet the royalties easily will buy the new roof09:03
doc|homethey're replacing a very similar style roof here in Vancouver09:04
doc|homeit's costing 5-600million...09:04
doc|homethe new one can't even be opened or closed when it's raining...09:04
* RST38h wonders what prevented the arena owners from hiring a few migrant workers to clean the roof09:05
doc|homefederal law? :)09:06
DocScrutinizerI could go outside for an hour or two, and then contribute with a few near-fatal snow and icicle falls to pavement09:06
doc|homeIt's probably a bonus for them. now they can get the local government to buy them a new roof. (again, this is what happened here in Vancouver)09:06
RST38hdoc: It is not Germany, they are still allowed to hire help in the US=)09:07
doc|homeRST38h: hah, that kind of stupidity's not limited to Germany :)09:07
RST38hOh well. TTG to work.09:09
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: what prevented them - pure ignorance I guess. At a certain point in time it's too late then09:09
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DocScrutinizerbtw "video not available" - HAHA09:12
DocScrutinizertoldya thy know how to make money out of that09:12
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DocScrutinizerget your ticket for next big roof collapse *now*, and have your 10% discount09:14
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Termanagood morning10:15
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NooBmonk3yMornin :)10:18
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NooBmonk3yhmmm if flashing meego, is it possible to do it via the usb cable to the memory card, as i have no externally memory card reader :P (Just checking :|)10:27
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NooBmonk3y(ie connected to the n900, with memory card in)10:27
X-FadeNooBmonk3y: Yes, the memory card shows up as a mass storage device.10:28
NooBmonk3y:) yay! - as it had nitrdoid on it, it seems to be showing up as 2 partitions10:28
X-FadeAnother option is to copy the image to the device and dd to the memory card :)10:28
NooBmonk3y/dev/sde1               1      180060     5761919+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)10:28
NooBmonk3y/dev/sde2          180061      242560     2000000   83  Linux10:29
NooBmonk3yassuming sde2 is the nitdroid one :P10:29
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NooBmonk3yahhh well dloaded it to the pc, so this command should work sudo dd bs=4096 if=<raw_image> of=/dev/sdX10:30
NooBmonk3yeeeek, sudo dd bs=4096 if=<raw_image> of=/dev/sde10:30
X-FadeIf you are really sure sde is the right one.10:31
NooBmonk3yhehehe - i do like the amount of warnings :P10:31
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NooBmonk3yDisk /dev/sde: 7948 MB  ... it is an 8gb memory card :)10:32
NooBmonk3y(the only 8gb card :) )10:32
X-FadeNooBmonk3y: That sounds ok then.10:32
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NooBmonk3yhmmmm 30 mins till work... lol10:33
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NooBmonk3yi really should be less nervous when i flash, done it enough lol10:36
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NooBmonk3yshoulda asked.... roughly how long should it take? lol10:43
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X-FadeDepends on the write speed of your card.10:44
NooBmonk3yoooo probably slowish, class 4 i think10:44
X-FadeMB/s * image size :)10:44
X-FadeWell the other way around and devide by.... hmm need more coffee.10:45
NooBmonk3yahhh okies :)10:45
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NooBmonk3ylol10:45
NooBmonk3ydone yay!10:45
NooBmonk3y1946157057 bytes (1.9 GB) copied, 188.778 s, 10.3 MB/s10:46
X-Fadesync to be sure.10:46
NooBmonk3ysync?10:46
X-Fadetype 'sync', hit enter.10:47
NooBmonk3ydoh, doesnt say that on the wiki :P10:47
NooBmonk3yjust booted down10:47
X-FadeWell. It should be ok if you don't have writeback cache enabled ;)10:47
RobbieThe1stWhen you shutdown the N900 it will auto sync10:47
NooBmonk3yoo its doing something :|10:48
X-FadeYeah, on proper shutdown you should be fine.10:48
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NooBmonk3ylol X-Fade i'm hoping it is just gonna work, but then doesn't everyone ;)10:48
NooBmonk3yeeeek 8 minutes till work :P10:49
NooBmonk3yok, well i have a very random white pointer on a black screen, so somethings happenned10:49
NooBmonk3yyay! meego screens seem to be loading10:50
NooBmonk3ywohoooooooooooo10:50
NooBmonk3yand boooger, back in 8 hours! have a good day, and thank you X-Fade !10:50
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Noobmonk3ythanks again X-Fade , booted into meego fine :) see what they mean about being in development, hehe11:26
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X-FadeNoobmonk3y: yeah, no performance optimizations yet.11:28
Noobmonk3yhehe, not a problem, its just to start looking at how to develop on it :)  enough for me :)11:29
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DocScrutinizer(shutdown) won't help to finish a sync for mass storage mode dd. You need to "safely remove" on your PC12:00
DocScrutinizer(bs=4096) why that? it's extremely small a blocksize12:01
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DocScrutinizers/blocksize/buffersize; as that better tells what this parameter actually does12:01
DocScrutinizerbs=1M is sorta fine12:02
Noobmonk3yDocScrutinizer, was just using meego install guide from the meego site12:03
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lcukNoobmonk3y, which guide specifically, share a link to help add context :)12:39
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Noobmonk3ylcuk,  link is on my home pc, i am at work on n900 lol, will go look12:55
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Noobmonk3ylcuk, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC12:56
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alteregoNoobmonk3y: not using uboot? :)13:01
Noobmonk3yalterego, yup i am13:02
Noobmonk3yits working :)13:02
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Noobmonk3ywould be nicer to have a select screen like multiboot though13:02
alteregoCool :)13:02
alteregoYeah13:02
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG's package for kernel v6 works very well!13:04
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: ping13:16
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hrwTMO users are fun13:25
Venemo_N900hehe13:26
hrwhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66767 thread made me laugh13:27
hrwI wontfix-ed all my nokia related bugs and it turned to 9 pages discussion...13:27
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BCMMis there any way to reset the DSP without rebooting?13:29
Corsachrw: wow, I missed the end of support announcement13:29
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, pong13:31
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, oh so it doesn't brick devices? cra... yay13:31
hrwMohammadAG: your qt mediaplayer is packaged somewhere?13:32
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MohammadAGhrw, http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer it's just a UI clone for now13:33
hrwok13:33
alteregomohammediaplayer! :D13:33
* alterego chuckles13:33
hrwMohammadAG: QML or normal Qt Designer ui files?13:33
BCMMMohammadAG: as in, there is no backend yet, or as in it uses the old backend for now?13:34
MohammadAGQt designer13:34
* MohammadAG stabs alterego 13:34
MohammadAGno backend yet13:34
lcuklol alterego13:35
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Noobmonk3ylol MohammadAG , not bricked it yet anyway!13:35
BCMMis there mpd for maemo?13:35
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ZogGBCMM i think yes13:42
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ZogGthere are mpd and xmms213:42
ZogGBCMM i think it's in repos even13:43
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Venemo_N900is the media player coming along nicely MohammadAG?13:44
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MohammadAGVenemo_N900, UI is almost done, lardman's been looking at adding mafw to it13:47
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, http://i53.tinypic.com/qqtv6s.jpg13:47
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: good news :)13:47
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: hm, what's this stuff?13:47
Venemo_N900some sort of always-on shortcut widgets, or a bug?13:48
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, mediabar, similar to the 5800's, but since the N900 has no button for it, it's using the proximity13:48
MohammadAGshortcut widget, activated by the sensor13:49
Venemo_N900mhm13:49
MohammadAGhttp://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediabar13:49
MohammadAGuploading source in a bit13:49
alteregoDoes compositing work for that width MohammadAG ?13:49
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Venemo_N900interesting13:49
MohammadAGalterego, composoting is?13:49
Venemo_N900why not with the camera button?13:49
MohammadAGalterego, it's ignoring the whole desktop13:49
alteregoDoes transparency effects work?13:49
alteregoYes, I know.13:50
MohammadAGyes13:50
MohammadAGi was surprised it worked13:50
alteregoWicked13:50
MohammadAGQt::QA_TranslucentBackground or sth13:50
MohammadAGs/QA/WA/13:50
infobotMohammadAG meant: Qt::WA_TranslucentBackground or sth13:50
alteregoI want media player controls13:51
Venemo_N900:)13:51
MohammadAGalterego, I want transitions :P13:51
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alteregoMohammadAG: where's the source? I'll give you a patch13:51
MohammadAGalterego, sec, making a git page is hard on the N90013:52
alteregoI'm thinking scroll in from the side and fade in with opacity.13:53
Venemo_N900good idea :P13:53
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Venemo_N900but let's use the camera key and not the sensor13:53
Venemo_N900I always accidentally cover the sensor...13:54
MohammadAGwhy?13:54
MohammadAGi'm adding a timeout13:54
alteregoDoesn't matter yet13:54
MohammadAGlike hold for 2 seconds13:54
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alteregoShortcuts can be changed.13:54
MohammadAGbut the sensor is _ALWAYS_ on, so it's better to use it for something good i suppose :P13:54
JaffaMohammadAG: Finally got around to checking out Qt Media Player (really needs a good name, I still suggest Omp for its similarity to 'Amp')13:55
alteregoMohammedia player13:55
alteregoI can't help it :D13:55
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: make it configurable then please :P13:55
MohammadAGlooks like Macromedia13:56
Jaffaalterego: Hardly incites additional contribution, does it? :-p13:56
alteregoJaffa: he's going to work on Flash 10.1 next, Mohammedia Flash 10.113:56
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MohammadAG/kick alterego13:57
alterego:)13:57
alteregoYou love it :P13:57
Venemo_N900hehehe13:58
MohammadAGit sounds better than Maemohammad :P13:58
alterego:)13:58
Venemo_N900alterego: your sense of humor is approaching lcuk's :P13:58
lcuknahh13:58
alteregoI'm not that disturbed .. Yet ..13:59
Venemo_N900:D13:59
lcuka quote from #liqbase13:59
lcuk* lcuk rubs his nipple in appreciation13:59
lcuk<lcuk> big circular motions too :P13:59
* alterego wonders what was being apprciated at that time ..13:59
Venemo_N900hehe13:59
lcuk<lcuk> KotCzarny, i am enjoying my very sensitive nipple :)13:59
jacekowskihmm, it's 11:59 and i'm already bored13:59
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lcukhttp://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint13:59
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lcuk(incase you pervs thought I meant anything other than computer nipple)14:00
jacekowskinipples?14:00
jacekowskitits?14:00
alteregoHeh14:01
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MohammadAGalterego, http://gitorious.org/mediabar/mediabar14:06
alteregoLooking at it now14:07
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alteregoThink I'd prefer it as QML though :P14:08
Corsaclcuk: you mean your clit?14:09
MohammadAGI know I'm supposed to use the pid of the program (how do I get that in Qt?) instead of 1, but... wth14:09
Corsac(#243)14:09
MohammadAGalterego, don't get me started :P14:09
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MohammadAGmeh, LaunchApplication doesn't return anything14:10
* MohammadAG adjusts code14:10
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alteregoerror proximityd not found :D14:17
* alterego installs14:18
MohammadAGgood thing I added that14:18
MohammadAGbut the app still launches14:18
alteregoYes14:18
MohammadAG(got no idea how to break launch from the constructor14:18
MohammadAG)14:18
alteregoQApplication::exit() ?14:18
MohammadAGthat works from the constructor?14:19
Venemo_N900yes14:19
alteregoAnyhow, erm, does it not hide yet?14:19
MohammadAGlast time I checked it didn't :/14:19
MohammadAGMediabar: ERROR: proximityd not found!14:20
MohammadAGMediabar initialized,14:20
MohammadAGnope, doesn't work14:20
alteregoThen you're doing it wrong :P14:20
MohammadAGno14:20
MohammadAGnot at launch14:20
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MohammadAGafaik, I can't do this from the constructor14:20
alteregoHow do I get it to hide ?14:20
alteregoYes you can14:20
MohammadAGclick a button14:20
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MohammadAGhttp://gitorious.org/mediabar/mediabar/blobs/master/widget.cpp#line4314:21
MohammadAGthen why's that ignored? :)14:21
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alteregoHow do you get it to appear again then?14:21
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MohammadAGtap the sensor14:22
alteregoIt's not doing anything :/14:22
MohammadAGhmm14:22
MohammadAGstart proximityd (why isn't that stuff started automatically...)14:22
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X-FadeMohammadAG: Because it eats battery :)14:23
alteregoIt is, and it is running :P14:23
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MohammadAGX-Fade, nope, the sensor is always on14:23
Venemohi14:23
MohammadAGX-Fade, and the service should be always on14:23
alteregoAh ,"respawning too fast" ..14:23
alteregoGreat ..14:23
X-FadeMohammadAG: Are you sure about that?14:23
MohammadAGyes14:23
X-FadeEven if the screen is locked?14:24
MohammadAGtwo sensors, front and back, are always active14:24
VenemoMohammadAG: what's the problem?14:24
MohammadAGnot sure about that, but afaik yes14:24
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chem|stre14:24
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chem|sthas anyone experiences with gorillamobile and n900 yet?14:25
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alteregoI think the problem is actually proximityd14:25
alteregoIt doesn't appear to be sending any signals ..14:25
MohammadAGwell, it has to be initialized first14:26
MohammadAGwhich is what I do in the constructor14:26
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MohammadAGso CTRL+C and start it again14:26
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alteregoStill nothing.14:27
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MohammadAGalterego, figured it out yet?14:35
* lardman remembers he is supposed to check the bugtracker for mBarcode bugs14:35
jacekowskii just had WTF moment14:35
jacekowskiwhen i looked at calendar14:35
jacekowskihow does it know when somebody has birthday?14:35
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lardmangets data from the contacts app14:36
trxhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6693814:36
trxanyone tried this before?14:36
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alteregoMohammadAG: nope14:36
jacekowskiis it avrcp profile or something else?14:37
lardmanI think that's a wired headphone isn't it?14:37
trxyes14:37
alteregoMohammadAG: I'll try restarting my device and see if that makes a difference.14:38
MohammadAGalterego, trying it on another device over ssh14:38
BCMMthere seem to be several plugins to use MSN IM in maemo. anyone know the difference or have a recommendation?14:39
MohammadAGalterego, worked without a reboot (though I did start it as root)14:40
VenemoBCMM: Pecan has a bug which the author has been failing to repair for more than a half year14:41
BCMMVenemo: thanks!14:41
VenemoBCMM: Haze fails to log in about 50% of the time, and is buggy14:41
BCMMi didn't see one called haze...14:42
VenemoBCMM: it is in the "pidgin protocols plugin..." package14:42
BCMMwhat about "MSN protocol plugin for conversations and contacts"?14:42
VenemoBCMM: Butterfly (the plain "MSN protocol plugin") is working most of the time, sometimes it can't login and says "network error"14:43
BCMMthanks14:43
BCMMVenemo: that just happens with everything i think. their servers fail.14:43
Venemoall in all, none of them is very good for everyday use14:43
BCMMwell, MSN IM itself probably isn't14:43
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Venemoit can't login even when I can from desktop14:44
Venemoso... something's wrong there14:44
BCMMVenemo: windows desktop?14:44
VenemoBCMM: yep.14:44
VenemoBCMM: I sometimes log in from Linux too (with Empathy)14:44
BCMMi think they have different servers for different protocol versions14:44
MohammadAGalterego, try running dbus-send --dest=proximityd.method.change --type=method_call --print-reply /proximityd/method/change proximityd.method.change.Change string:turnOn int32:114:44
BCMM(or something)14:44
jacekowskiBCMM: jabber + transports is the best option14:45
VenemoBCMM: that's possible, but anyway it's annoying as hell14:45
BCMMand the ones for older protocols version go wrong quite a lot, probably to dissaude people from relying unofficial clients14:45
BCMMjacekowski: that's internet services that bridge jabber and MSN, right?14:45
jacekowskiyes14:45
jacekowskimsn will drain battery a lot more than jabber14:46
BCMMah14:46
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jacekowskiso you can let your jabber server do all stuff14:46
BCMMjacekowski: thanks, i'll look at that - how does one do that?14:46
VenemoBCMM: your best bet would be trying Pecan and see if you encounter its bug14:46
Corsacas if jabber wasn't draining battery like a mad14:46
jacekowskiBCMM: find jabber server that has transports to msn, create account, register with transport, and use it14:46
jacekowskiCorsac: msn uses a lot more14:47
jacekowskijabber is one of lightest protocols avaliable14:47
BCMMugh, just remembered taht MSN doesn't let you log in from two clients at the same time14:47
jacekowskiesspecialy if you need multiple protocols14:47
jacekowskibecause then you have one jabber connection and server deals with transports14:47
BCMMis it possible, using a jabber transport, to recieve incomming MSN messages on more than one machine at once?14:47
jacekowskiyes14:48
lardmanBCMM: you can log in from 2+ clients at the same time with the M$ client14:48
BCMMcool, thanks14:48
jacekowskibut that depends on server14:48
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jacekowskisome will only send messages to higher priority client14:48
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BCMMjacekowski: do servers that do that offer free accounts?14:48
jacekowskiit all depends on config14:48
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BCMMlardman: using unofficial MSN clients, i find that the server disconnects me if i login elsewhere14:48
BCMMjacekowski: and do you have a server you would recommend?14:49
jacekowskiBCMM: i'm using my own server14:49
lardmanBCMM: yes quite14:49
jacekowskiBCMM: i don't trust other people14:49
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BCMMtalking of battery life, is there currently any way to transport skype instant message over literally anything other than skype?14:51
jacekowskithere were some attepnts14:51
jacekowskibut failed14:51
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BCMMso how do these jabber transports work? you still register a proper MSN account, right?14:53
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chem|stBCMM: yes14:54
BCMMwell, thanks a lot of the advice14:54
chem|stBCMM: and transports are available for most IM stuff14:54
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chem|stBCMM: like ICQ and others14:55
BCMMchem|st: do you have a jabber server you'd recommend?14:55
chem|stBCMM: no I am oldschool jabber.org14:55
chem|stBCMM: that has no transports or I do not know about ;)14:55
BCMMi don't really know much about jabber... different jabber servers largely peer with one another, right?14:56
jacekowskiBCMM: yes14:56
BCMMany idea of MSN/windows live messenger has a test or echo service/14:57
chem|stBCMM: http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-other-im-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html14:57
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chem|stguess you already got an gAccount14:57
chem|stBCMM: no voip transport on most serverss14:58
BCMMis a "jabber id" username@server.tld?14:59
chem|styes14:59
Macerwow14:59
Macerfreezing :)14:59
chem|stMacer: exactly14:59
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Macerchem|st: like -100 wind chill in chicago today. i should have called off from work15:00
Macerlol15:00
chem|stBCMM: ok just read the article I posted to you myself... heavy work around... maybe there is something easier than that aailable15:00
jacekowskiCorsac: not really heavy workaround15:01
jacekowskiBCMM: yes15:01
jacekowskiBCMM: it looks like an e-mail15:01
chem|stMacer: and what was the actual temp. ?15:01
jacekowskiBCMM: for examply my jid: jacekowski@jacekowski.org and my mail: jacekowski@jacekowski.org15:01
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chem|stjacekowski: you meant me I guess15:01
chem|stjacekowski: you setup a jabber to connect to another jabber to connect to your IM...15:02
Corsacjacekowski: ?15:02
chem|stCorsac: type he was talking to me15:02
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jacekowskichem|st: don't flatter yourself15:03
chem|stjacekowski: ?15:04
jacekowskiyeah, it was to you15:05
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Shahabhello15:10
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Shahabi cannot sign in to my yahoo acount15:12
Shahabwhat should i do15:12
auenfi cannot sign into my geocities account15:12
javispedromorning15:12
Shahabi give this error . not signed in15:13
Shahabpleas help me !15:13
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Shahabhm.?!15:14
VenemoShahab: forgot your password?15:15
Shahabnono !15:15
Shahabi can sign in to my acount by pidgin15:15
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Shahabbut15:16
Venemo[14:12] <Shahab> i cannot sign in to my yahoo acount -> so this was a lie15:16
Shahabin conversation and contact15:16
javispedro.oO(Probably he's asking on #maemo because he's talking about a Maemo application being unable to login)15:16
javispedrowhich could cause if Yahoo killed third party clients. again.15:17
Venemowell then there's a Maemo version of Pidgin, use that15:17
javispedros/cause/happen15:17
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chem|stVenemo: good one ;)15:22
Venemochem|st: :P15:23
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chem|stbe nice ppl... the sheep will thank you!15:23
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OS6081hello! Someone can tell me the output of "ls /usr/share/sharing/services" on his n900,pls ?15:29
VenemoOS6081: as root or as user?15:30
VenemoOS6081: as user, it's 'flickr.service.xml  ovi.service.xml'15:30
OS6081tks!15:31
OS6081I have to understand why "share by email" is not working!15:31
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ag0nyI am looking for a possibility to use the N900 as microphone. I have a  soundsystem connected to the line out and play music from the phone. Now  I am looking for a software that lets me talk to the N900 and send my  voice to the soundsystem. Is there a software for this?15:35
ag0nyAt best with a voiceover function for the internal media player15:36
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javispedroag0ny: pulseaudio itself does that15:37
chem|stag0ny: pulseaudio.org may not be your friend but is the handler15:37
chem|stag0ny: I tried to get networking working and remained trying...15:38
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javispedrochem|st: there's some incompatibility with modern pulseaudio client libraries and the older maemo version15:38
javispedrochem|st: there are some threads on tm15:38
javispedroo15:38
javispedroI've done it at least twice, so it is doable. I used the debian lenny libraries.15:39
chem|stjavispedro: not only that but the way nokia cut off its balls makes it quiet hard to handle15:39
javispedrotbh I do not think it is Nokia's fault.15:40
javispedro(well, save for keeping an outdated version...)15:40
chem|stjavispedro: it is run as system-wide daemon what is not recommended and actually never needed15:40
javispedrochem|st: note that the pulseaudio author itself says "not recommended ... save for embedded systems"15:41
chem|stjavispedro: "if realy needed that way"15:41
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javispedroactual quote is here: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/SystemWideInstance15:42
javispedrochem|st: it says "it makes sense to use the system-wide mode in embedded systems where no real notion of a user exists" (which is exactly what Maemo is)15:42
chem|stjavispedro: we have "user"15:42
javispedrochem|st: single user.15:43
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chem|stso what?15:43
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Venemoand PA is run as "user", yes15:43
chem|stVenemo: no it is run as "pulse"15:43
Venemohm15:43
Venemoso there's a special account for PA?15:43
Venemointeresting15:43
javispedrochem|st: no real notion of user.15:43
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chem|stjavispedro: how do you control the daemon? I never got a clue how to do that without braking somethin15:44
javispedroinstall pulseaudio-extra package and run pacmd15:44
javispedro(pulseaudio-extra iirc, maybe -utils or -modules-extra)15:45
chem|stjavispedro: as user and as root you get a there is no server running for your user15:45
javispedroah yes, you need to load the console module15:45
NeccVenemo: check /etc/passwd15:46
chem|stjavispedro: but how do I load a module without being able to tell pulse?15:46
Neccthere's a lot of different users with no shell for different processes15:46
* MohammadAG wants a C++ IDE for the N900 :/15:46
javispedrochem|st: edit default.pa and reboot15:46
chem|stjavispedro: ah ok sure15:46
javispedrochem|st: iirc there's actually a comment in that file telling you how to do it (cause Nokia had to it ot debug I guess)15:46
VenemoNecc: you are right :) thx15:47
chem|st;)15:47
VenemoMohammadAG: there's KhtEditor, but that needs a little bit of work15:47
alteregoMohammadAG: still no joy15:47
MohammadAGalterego, run the dbus command I gave you15:47
MohammadAGthen run the app15:47
MohammadAGfyi, I added a QTimer (not yet comitted since i'm away from the laptop), to it15:48
MohammadAGso it should only show if the proximity was held for some time15:48
MohammadAG(will make it customizable later)15:49
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alteregoYeah, that's working.15:49
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MohammadAGnano's cool with syntax highlighting15:50
DocScrutinizera noob question: how to edit (cut, concatenate, audio-edit) videos taken on N900, prior to sharing them?15:50
VenemoDocScrutinizer: without also using a PC?15:50
DocScrutinizeryep15:50
DocScrutinizerof course15:50
VenemoDocScrutinizer: no idea :(15:51
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javispedrochem|st: I just remembered that there's a command lime parameter to make pulseaudio drop to a cmd line after daemonizing. You might want to use that for a quick hack.15:52
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javispedrochem|st: (by stopping pulse then starting it mimicking what the init.d script does)15:52
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: there was talks about a video editor app (pitivi?), I'm not sure they went anywhere15:55
javispedrook, this made me laugh.15:57
javispedroSo I tell this guy "Maybe what you're saying sounds like nonsense to me because neither of us are native speakers", trying to be humble all while saying he's talking bullshit15:58
javispedrothe guy's answer? "you should then use google 'transliterator'!!! [sic]15:58
alteregoWeird ..15:58
alteregoCan't get it to animate15:58
Venemowhat is a 'transliterator'?15:58
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javispedroVenemo: I think he meant "translator", but got it wrong.15:59
Venemohehe :D15:59
* javispedro ponders leaving the niceties apart..16:00
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DocScrutinizerhttp://pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio#Details  *priceless*16:01
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alteregoInteresting.16:07
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DocScrutinizeryeah, look at that: http://rudd-o.com/en/linux-and-free-software/how-pulseaudio-works/images/pulseaudio-diagram.png?isImage=1  makes it obvious why most apps today (remember: ALSA been THE audio standard on linux until recently) are way better off without PA16:08
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MohammadAGalterego, got a patch? :P16:09
javispedroDocScrutinizer: ALSA suxs!!16:09
alteregoMohammadAG: working on it :P16:09
DocScrutinizerBS, PA sux!!16:09
MohammadAGsound sux, *sets pc to mute*16:09
Venemonone of them sux16:09
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MohammadAGseriously, let's grow up, but first...16:10
MohammadAGKDE SUX!!!1!16:10
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DocScrutinizerand actually it hasn't any offer that's better than pure ALSA, on their own site http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio#Details, except "playback on a different machine"16:10
javispedroactually alsa also has rtp support16:11
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javispedroso it could be used for network audio16:11
javispedrobut seriously, both ALSA and PA are awfully complex monsters.16:11
DocScrutinizerwhile introducing heeluva overhead with all those TCP and whatnot layers16:11
* MohammadAG failed to start a gnome vs KDE war16:11
javispedroMohammadAG: try on #meego, more qt people there16:12
VenemoMohammadAG: KDE doesn't sux, it is just unusable16:12
* MohammadAG opens a "I'm buying an iPhone thread" on tmo16:12
* MohammadAG moves the " back one word16:12
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VenemoMohammadAG: there're already many threads like that16:12
MohammadAGjavispedro, it's still sane in there16:12
ag0nyjavispedro: Could please give further details as to how forwarding mic to line out can be done?16:12
MohammadAGwell, partially16:12
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javispedroag0ny: where do you want to forward it? You should have some experience with doing it previously or this is just going to be to long to explain16:13
javispedroNOOOOOOOOOOOoo16:14
* javispedro accidentally closes the tab where I was writing a lengthy rebuttal troll post16:14
MohammadAGjavispedro, ouch16:14
* MohammadAG would just rewrite it16:14
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MohammadAGthat's why i never close tabs, and end up with 20+ tabs at shutdown16:15
javispedrothe new post is not going to be the same, not in the mood any longer =(16:15
ag0nyjavispedro: I want to forward it to line out16:15
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javispedroag0ny: use a cable. =).16:16
javispedrowell, speaking seriously, is that a windows machine?16:16
Macerhm16:17
javispedroI have no idea how to do networked audio on windows16:17
Macerswapped over to nitdroid16:17
X-FadeSure, what is your meego.com account?16:18
ag0nyjavispedro: No, its nothing network...is only using the n900 as microphone. The hifi-system ist connected via the line out jack16:18
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MohammadAGX-Fade, mohammad7410, but are you on the right channel? :P16:19
javispedroag0ny: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I totally misunderstood you.16:20
X-FadeMohammadAG: Yeah, I know.. :)16:20
DocScrutinizerMUHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAaaaa OMFG!!! >>The Device Chooser will discover other sound servers running on the LAN by using Zeroconf/Avahi technolgy. Therefore make sure to compile PulseAudio with Avahi support and load the Zeroconf module on all machines on the LAN.<<16:20
javispedroag0ny: open a terminal, type "pacat -r | pacat"16:20
javispedroand enjoy16:20
javispedroDocScrutinizer: let me guess: you hate both PA and Avahi?16:21
DocScrutinizerYEP!16:21
MohammadAGand gnome16:21
BCMMthe network thing is the only useful feature of PA, as far as I can see16:21
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MohammadAGand gconf... wait, who doesn't hate that?16:21
BCMMand as far as i can see, it hardly every actually works16:21
javispedroMohammadAG: gconf rules!16:21
alteregoMohammadAG: got something working but its' a bit shit.16:21
DocScrutinizerI simply ignore gnome, as far as possible. Alas it always is crossing my way in shape of g* shit16:22
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MohammadAGalterego, define shit :P16:22
javispedroDocScrutinizer: is there anything you like =)16:22
MohammadAGjavispedro, seriously?16:22
lcukjavispedro, lol16:22
DocScrutinizeryeah! bash for example :-D16:22
* MohammadAG waits for a nick change:16:22
javispedroheh16:22
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alteregoMohammadAG: I tell you want, I'll give you the patch ;)16:23
MohammadAGthere it is ^16:23
* javispedro jiggles16:23
alteregoMohammadAG: I think I have a solution though, but I'll have to work on that myself in a bit.16:23
alteregoNeed to have a shower.16:23
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MohammadAGgot a prebuilt binary?16:24
MohammadAGoh, k16:24
javispedroag0ny: you might need to install pulseaudio-utils, use "rootsh apt-get install pulseaudio-utils" (no need to enable any repository)16:24
MohammadAGrootsh has been deprectated16:25
javispedroah.16:25
javispedroso what's it these days?16:25
alteregoMohammadAG: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/research/mohammediabar/16:25
MohammadAGroot for a shell16:25
* MohammadAG grumbles16:25
alterego:D16:25
alteregoI'm sorry, I really can't help it ...16:25
MohammadAGis that associated with me till I die?16:26
alterego;)16:26
* javispedro uses "rootify", which enables "sudo -s"16:26
* alterego uses ssh root@localhost16:26
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* javispedro hits alterego for wasteful use of encryption16:26
alteregoI've never used rootsh or whatever ..16:26
alteregoWould you prefer I use telnet? :P16:26
MohammadAGalterego, no binary?16:26
alteregoMohammadAG: look now16:27
MohammadAGqmake; make is slow on the N900 :P16:27
alterego(refresh16:27
alteregoUnfortunately can't seem to use QPropertyAnimation, so I had to create my own animation from QTimeLine16:27
alteregoAnd to force it to update I need to hide and show.16:28
alteregoI support update might work actually.16:28
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alteregoHrm, no, that doesn'#t work ;)16:29
MohammadAGside to side would've been nice :P16:29
alteregoI do however, have an idea, but, like I said I need a shower then I'll try and mock something up ;)16:29
alteregoAlso, the buttons are too big.16:29
alteregoIt makes the icons look crap :P16:29
MohammadAGalterego, you seem to like small buttons more :P16:30
* alterego has just had an idea16:31
alteregoYou know how android has that swipe down thing for notifications?16:32
alteregoWhy don't we have something like that for this.16:32
javispedroswipe down from the top on the screen in n900 works badly16:33
alteregoDo you mind if I steal your idea and work on a mediaplayer control?16:33
javispedrobecause of the sensitiviness issues in corners16:33
alteregojavispedro: sure16:33
alteregoWorth a try though16:33
javispedroI tried already, don't remember why though...16:33
alteregoWe could also hook into power button, so as the power menu comes down our widget goes up :)16:34
javispedroI think systemui eats the power button events..16:34
javispedroI wanted to use the powerbutton for preenv.16:34
alteregoSure but they're emitted over dbus16:34
javispedronot sure.16:35
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alteregoyeah button press is on the system bus for the power button16:35
javispedroI think we already had this conversation..16:36
alteregoanyway, I gotta jump in the shower16:36
javispedroI remember explaining that for some reason there is a d-bus event 2 sec-s after a button press16:36
alteregobbiafm16:36
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* lardman thinks it would be nice to have a contacts app that handles relationships too16:41
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ag0nyjavispedro: I got pulseaudio-utils installed now16:49
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javispedroag0ny: type "pacat -r | pacat" and press intro16:54
javispedrothen shout to the n90016:54
javispedro(on terminal, of course)16:54
ag0nyThats basically working, but its not overlay to the mediaplayer?16:57
ag0nyoverlaying16:57
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javispedrowhat do you mean? it mutes the media player?16:57
jacekowskijavispedro: pacat?16:57
ag0nyno, it does not16:57
ag0nyjavispedro: I don't hear my voice, only the title played by the media player16:58
javispedrojacekowski: pacat. what?16:58
javispedroag0ny: yeah, you're right. hmpf.16:59
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* javispedro curses17:00
javispedroyou'll need to modify the policy...17:00
javispedroor use another media player, like mplayer17:00
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ag0nyHow would I modify the policy?17:01
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javispedrousing mplayer would be easier17:04
javispedroand mplayer is a cmd line application, so you get the idea =)17:04
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GAN900Jaffa, lot of front page content looks nice.17:08
JaffaGAN900: Long week! Thanks for your help, as ever.17:08
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scoobertronThe nokia RSS widget restricts post titles to 2 lines.  Does anyone know if this can be changed? (I am using it for twitter and it is cutting off the end of tweets).17:30
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andre__scoobert1on, don't think so. it's quite dead software17:37
Venemoscoobert1on: I've always wanted to make an RSS widget17:37
lardmanSounds like we've all realised too late in the day that we should have replaced all the built-in apps17:38
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lardmanshame Nokia didn't just come out and say that nothing would get fixed so we would have got on with it before the platform was (nearly) EOL17:38
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SpeedEvilyep.17:39
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Venemolol lardman17:39
lardmanHmm, that came out sounding more bitter than I intended, I'm not, I just think it's a shame we're getting cracking now when we could have done it earlier17:39
SpeedEvillardman: I completely agree unfortunately.17:40
SpeedEvillardman: It's the curse of many open projects.17:40
lardmanI'm not bothered, but I always assumed that these easy bugs and even cool features would get fixed so it wasn't worth wasting my time doing something that would soon be replaced17:40
lardmans/replaced/sorted out17:41
SpeedEvillardman: For example - SHR - the current openmoko community project - is in the state that if it was like this 2 years ago - and there is no real fundamental reason it couldn't have been if OM corporate had had a big public list of stuff they're not doing.17:41
alteregoCrazy, that usb ethernet adapter doesn't need more power?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IyeSNGCWTA17:41
* GAN900 isn't sure he likes being able to smell again.17:42
BCMMthis is why you need to clean even when you have a cold?17:42
javispedroSpeedEvil: I wouldn't put my finger on wheter having such a list would have changed anything here17:42
lcukGAN900, yeah we have been able to smell you for a while now17:42
lcukperhaps you should shower more often :P17:42
* lardman unplugs his smello-usb add-on17:43
SpeedEviljavispedro: I dunno.17:43
GAN900lcuk, yes, but my beard's still better than yours. :P17:43
lcukGAN900, sure17:43
scoobert1onok, well failing that, can I get curl or wget anywhere.  I have both extra-testing and devel enabled but can't seem to find it anywhere.17:44
lcukbut both our moustaches pale compared to: http://liqbase.net/meego.movember.motivator.20101117_073.jpg17:44
lardmanSpeedEvil: Open source needs some driving force to do stuff that people don't like doing - like docs and prettifying17:44
SpeedEvillardman: I mean open source in the sense of there is source to typical commercial applications, and vendors would often accept patches.17:45
SpeedEvilNothing to do with the licence in this case.17:45
lardmansure17:45
lardmanfixing small things17:46
GAN900lcuk, well, he doesn't have a beard.17:46
SpeedEvilRearchitecting is a different question, and requires much more interaction with the community admittedly.17:46
lcukGAN900, he does not need a beard!17:47
lcukthat 'tash makes up for it17:47
BCMMlardman: plenty of people like prettifying software, don't they?17:47
lardmanreally?17:47
* SpeedEvil ponders.17:47
lardmanonce it works that's it ;)17:47
BCMMdo you mean as in cleaning up code, or as in beautifying interfaces?17:48
SpeedEvilI could almost do that tash in a couple more weeks with some wax.17:48
lcukthere is something that should be a level above open source17:48
lardmanBCMM: Making pretty interfaces17:48
lcukits not easy getting into a codebase of even fully open source17:48
lcukit should be accessible17:48
lcuk:)17:48
lardmanlcuk: but it's easier than having to write the entire app from scratch again17:48
SpeedEvillardman: sometimes17:49
lcukof course lardman17:49
lcukbut in maemo world17:49
lardmanand that's the alternative I mean17:49
lcukwe had a perfectly valid supreme (according to some) media player already17:49
lcukthat was open source17:49
lcuks/was/is/17:49
infobotlcuk meant: that is open source17:49
lcukcanola17:49
lardmantoo slow though17:49
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lcukon n900?17:50
GAN900Yes, but it's dead and the libs are bitrotting.17:50
lcukGAN900, gsoc2010 had people working on it17:50
lardmanit was also closed originally iirc17:50
lcukfor m517:50
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lardmanand required some large deps17:50
lcukover this summer just gone17:50
javispedroand it does not integrate well with fremantle.17:50
lcukit should have come out by now afaik17:50
lcukof course17:50
lcukbut that is just one example17:50
BCMMlardman: where it is possible to prettify apps without having to understand their internals, plenty of people who maybe don't have the skills to hack the core can enjoy improving the UI17:50
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lardmanBCMM: I'm simply saying that prettifying is a low priority generally, if it happens at all17:51
* javispedro admits that he would like the source of the nokia fremantle mediaplayer for laziness+afraid_of_changes reasons17:51
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BCMMlardman: for hackers, yeah17:51
javispedroit's easier to fix the one bug that would make me dislike the current mediaplayer than change it entirely.17:52
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lcukjavispedro, it does integrate very very well :)17:52
lardmansame here, laziness, though MohammadAG has produced a nice replacement UI and I'm having a look at the mafw backend which should be pretty simple17:52
BCMMlardman: i seem to recall much debate over how to put artists that can't code in touch with coders who make ugly stuff17:52
lardmanBCMM: But the designers need to learn to code as I don't want to have to interpret their instructions and prettify (for example) rather than writing new cool features17:53
lardmanthis changes if it's part of your job, rather than your hobby17:53
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javispedrolardman: but using Mohamediaplayer is a change already (it's Qt for a start). Media player is simple enough that this might not matter, but for the rest...17:54
lardmanjavispedro: I quite agree17:54
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lardmanand equally it's a bit of a waste of time having to write it when a few patches would be enough17:55
javispedroI know how this movie ends already :)17:55
Venemojavispedro: Mohammediaplayer :D:D17:55
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BCMMlardman: well, maybe this is one advantage of stuff like Qt that slightly separates the UI design from the coding17:57
yacc_Any way to make icd2 reload it's configuration?17:58
javispedroyacc_: IAPs are reloaded every often17:58
yacc_javispedro, not often enough I fear in my case, I want to rename "Dummy connection" into "USB connection" just before making icd2 connect it.17:59
javispedroare you sure you can do that? the name comes from the plugin17:59
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lardmanthat's another annoyance, why can't the disconnect dialog display the current connection when it displays so you can just click disconnect without needing to wait for the scan to be completed just in case you want to change connection?18:00
lardmans/displays/first displays18:00
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yacc_javispedro, you can do that, but I want to rename it only inside ifup usb018:01
javispedroyacc_: I mean that the network type plugin is the one telling the UI the name of the found networks, so maybe it has the name hardcoded.18:01
yacc_javispedro, no it's not.18:01
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javispedroeither way, you don't want to reload icd2 config but the plugin config, which is a different story..18:02
yacc_gconftool-2 -s -t string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DUMMY/name "Dummy network" <= you can enter any string and it's shown.18:02
javispedrofortunately the plugin (dummy?) should be open18:02
yacc_Actually libicd-network-null18:02
javispedrodummy is made by a nokia employee btw18:02
javispedrothere was also libicd-network-usb, which you might be interetsted in18:03
javispedroas it is specific to usb018:03
javispedroand will actually set up / tear down usb0 for yo18:03
yacc_javispedro, well, the libicd-network-usb did not work out that well for me, ...18:03
javispedro*you18:03
javispedrowell, no idea why it did not work...18:05
javispedroah18:06
javispedronote that icd2 might be caching network results for 30 seconds18:06
javispedroiirc.18:06
javispedroI do not think you can prevent that without editing the plugin18:06
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luke-jro.o I just herd meego is dead!18:09
Venemoluke-jr: wtf?18:09
javispedroluke-jr: on talk.maemo.org?18:09
lardmanheard?18:09
MohammadAGcar accident18:09
MohammadAGhe couldn't make it18:10
javispedroI just read there that Nokia is going to use Windows 7!18:10
lardmanor like Buffalo?18:10
javispedrooh wait, they already do.18:10
luke-jr#mer18:10
Venemowut?18:10
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luke-jrTomaszD sed so18:10
wallblomplease link to this information18:10
* javispedro jiggles18:11
wallblom<318:11
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luke-jrdead men/sw don't speak18:12
lardmanwhat's happened to the #mer irc logs?18:12
luke-jrhttp://tinyurl.com/ngroq8 ?18:12
GAN900lardman, they're filled with confidential information.18:12
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lardmanGAN900: ?18:13
lardmanluke-jr: those stop around May this year18:13
luke-jrWat about teh pizza?18:13
lardmanGAN900: like moving to Windows you mean ;)18:13
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GAN900lardman, like that.18:14
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TomaszDit is indeed dead luke-jr18:14
TomaszDI've heard it from a man on the street18:14
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luke-jra man, or /the/ man⁇18:15
lardmanand in that case s/street/dark alley18:15
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yacc_javispedro, works, seems like deleting the DUMMY connection and just adding the two entries makes more sense and works better.18:17
lardmanTomaszD: go on, where did you hear it?18:17
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TomaszDon the corner18:18
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TomaszDI was walking from work18:18
TomaszDand he told me18:18
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lardmanok :)18:18
yacc_Wonder if one might be able to even to have a specific USBnet icon in the status bar.18:18
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javispedroyacc_: you could on Diablo, never tried if it still works in Fremantle.18:19
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GAN900TomaszD, damn hipster Nokians.18:19
javispedroyacc_: under network_types in gconf you will find "icon" entry18:19
yacc_javispedro, well for the moment I'll live without it :)18:19
yacc_javispedro, yeah I noticed.18:19
javispedrook :)18:19
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yacc_javispedro, the question is where do these strings point to?18:19
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javispedroyacc_: standard icon name convention18:20
yacc_Anyway, now I just need to add some really sick addons like starting x11vnc automatically, dimming the display and I'm rather happy.18:20
javispedroheh18:20
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yacc_Another thing I've noticed, my n900 can be rather slow in picking up GSM/UMTS connections (not the data connection, the complete connection is gone and does not pickup for 10-15 minutes, till I manually switch between Dual/2G/3G in which case it registers with the network rather fast)18:21
yacc_Any idea?18:21
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Venemoyacc_: I experience it too, espeacially in poorly covered areas18:29
Venemoyacc_: there are a few metro stations where there should be coverage, but the N900 finds it quite slowly18:30
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: also a PA "hater"? then you'll adore this: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pulse.html - esp some of the lengthy posts way down18:36
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: let's say I dislike it, but not hate.18:36
yacc_Venemo, well, inside the city limits of Vienna, Austria, actually crossing most of the city during that 15 minutes.18:36
DocScrutinizerbtw Lennart admits PA is *adding* latency, compared to pure ALSA (a rather obvious fact)18:37
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Venemoyacc_: mine is not so troublesome18:37
DocScrutinizerand he recommends JACK et al stay away from PA18:37
javispedroDocScrutinizer: obviously. the question is wheter it adds a measurable amount of latency. because dmix also adds latency.18:37
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yacc_javispedro, the only issue being that A1 has no EGPRS inside big cities, OTOH, these stupid jerks have already enabled LTE, ...18:37
javispedroyacc_: ETAB ;)18:38
pupnik'polyp audio' is hilarious18:38
* MohammadAG stabs QtDbus18:38
yacc_javispedro, ETAB?18:38
MohammadAGTab error18:38
javispedroyacc_: you wanted to say Venemo, don't you? :)18:38
yacc_javispedro, right ;)18:38
Venemoyacc_: ouch18:39
javispedroI liked PulseAudio more back when it was Polypaudio. It was simpler.18:39
Venemoyacc_: EDGE is quite stable in here18:39
javispedroI like the core concept. I think a lot of stuff that ALSA tries to do should be done by a userspace daemon18:40
javispedroPulseaudio is no longer a userspace daemon though, and is more like a multiuse swiss knife18:40
yacc_Venemo, yeah, OTOH, since I've got an external charger for my second BL-5J, I can live quite well UMTS/HSDPA, ...18:40
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yacc_OTOH, I've got the impression that the n900 can only very roughly estimate the charge of the battery.18:41
Venemoyacc_: UMTS, HSPA is also working well when there's coverage. I mostly use dual mode18:41
yacc_Venemo, well, EDGE would be my favorite, best compromise between battery and bandwidth.18:42
yacc_UMTS/HSDPA drains the battery under 3 hours in constant use, ...18:42
Venemoyacc_: yeah. the 2nd best is HSDPA18:42
Venemoyacc_: yes, it does drain the battery, but EDGE does that too sometimes18:43
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: and a lot of stuff that PA does should be done in kernel space18:43
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javispedroPA does three things (aiui): abstraction, policy, and mixing.18:45
javispedrothese should be separate.18:45
javispedroI might want abstraction but not mixing (for ex. if I have a hwmix card)18:45
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: ack18:47
javispedronot sure I would want to move any of them to the kernel though.18:47
javispedroabstraction would be the first candidate IMHO.18:47
javispedrothe ALSA API sucks.18:47
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: even if you don't, mixing is probably better done in a hw related kernel domain18:48
javispedroI would kill it will with fire and exporting something more simpler and raw to user space.18:48
javispedro*export18:48
javispedroDocScrutinizer: not sure.18:48
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javispedroeven Windows does it in user space these days18:48
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* DocScrutinizer always thought windows does everything in userspace18:49
javispedropre-vista windows did mixing in kks18:49
javispedros/kks/kernel space18:49
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DocScrutinizerwindoes has a kernel? (j/k)18:50
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jacekowskiwindows has kernel18:50
jacekowskiand lot of stuff is done in kernel space18:50
DocScrutinizernah, impooooosible18:50
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DocScrutinizermust be a new thing, like post-ME18:51
javispedroindeed. hehe.18:51
jacekowskiit's more like post dos18:51
jacekowskithat first dos gui already had kernel18:52
jacekowskihow was it called18:52
jacekowskiwindows 1.018:52
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* javispedro notes that if you're non-jokingly asserting that w1.0 had a kernel, the by definition DOS also had one.18:52
jacekowskibut first real kernel was in win9518:52
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DocScrutinizeryeah, there's been a process called "kernl16" or sth, child of GUI, which in turn is child of DOS :-P18:53
* javispedro notes the same applies to win9x18:53
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DocScrutinizerdon't mess with me and call an "OS" that's doing cooperative multitasking without any dispatcher a kernel based OS18:54
* javispedro would18:55
javispedrothe FreeDOS people do, for ex.18:55
jacekowskiwell, win9x had proper kernel18:55
yacc_DocScrutinizer: Windows has no kernel, as the last Windows that I used myself was Windows 95, and that did not have a kernel, ...18:55
DocScrutinizerWTF how did we get here X-D18:55
javispedroit's a fun topic for CS guys.18:55
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jacekowskiyacc_: it did18:55
javispedro=)18:55
jacekowskiyacc_: it's called microkernel18:56
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DocScrutinizerrotfl18:56
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GAN900Ha18:56
DocScrutinizernow THAT'S trolling18:56
DocScrutinizer:-D18:56
jacekowskithrow it away it may be seed of a shovel18:56
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yacc_jacekowski, well, DOS was not a microkernel, it did filesystem more or less, and a microkernel proper does messaging and potentially memory management, with the filesystem being normally an "userspace" demon, ...18:57
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jacekowskiyacc_: well windows 9x did exactly that18:57
jacekowskiand pretty much only that18:57
jacekowskimemory mamangment18:57
jacekowskiand schedluing18:57
jacekowskischeduling*18:58
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DocScrutinizerWIN1.0 did NO memory management18:58
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DocScrutinizerthat's what BSOD was for :-P18:58
jacekowskiemm18:58
jacekowski9x18:58
jacekowskinot 1.018:58
keesjwinnuke WTF18:58
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javispedro9x memory management? pfft.19:03
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: >>Posted by Paul Davis at Tue Apr 8 22:36:03 2008  >>Posted by Lennart at Tue Apr 8 23:01:23 200819:08
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: hey, I too sometimes smash F5 waiting for replies to my trolling19:09
MakaWarning: ur device has rebooted unexpectedly. Custom Kernel settings have not been loaded19:09
Makawhy wud this have happened?..19:10
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: eh? :-D19:10
javispedroDocScrutinizer: thought you were remarking the swift response on Lennart's part?19:10
javispedrobtw I love the recent quoted bug on tmo: "Chess is too hard for casual players". Resolution: WONTFIX: ""Reporter should19:11
javispedrolearn how to play chess better if he's not able to win the easy level."19:11
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DocScrutinizernah, just giving searchstring pointers to the relevant posts regarding why PA sucks e.g for twinkle, why it's been flawed since beginning and still is19:11
GAN900"easy" is brutal.19:11
GAN900That bug cracked me up when it was closed.19:11
javispedrohaha19:12
DocScrutinizerMaka: bcos U doing OC?19:12
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javispedroon the Palm chess game I used to play I remember there was a difficulty setting where the AI would be fed garbage =)19:12
Makanope..19:12
GAN900OC makz thinks supr fast19:12
MakaOC was done a long back but i reverted back to the stock settings..19:13
GAN900Maka, because something crashed and caused a reboot.19:13
GAN900Kernel-power sees the reboot and doesn't load custom settings in case they were the cause.19:13
MakaAnd my device is not as fast as i see in videos of n900..19:13
Makai shud learn a lot more to keep it fast..19:13
Makaoh ok thank you Doc  and GAN900 :)19:14
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DocScrutinizerMaka: use htop and powertop to find out about things slowing down your CPU, or eating up your battery19:15
javispedroDocScrutinizer: ah, read that stuff.19:15
DocScrutinizerMaka: avoiding apps that do will keep your device fast19:15
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MakaAm using Htop but am not damn sure about things it show..19:16
javispedroDocScrutinizer: that's why I suggest ALSA should be a simpler thing. different users different needs, and ALSA shouldn't try to catter them all. let user space daemons decide19:16
MakaIs there any guide to Htop and powertop?19:16
javispedros/catter/cater (...)19:16
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DocScrutinizerMaka: it should show <200 processes and a cpu load <10% usually19:16
jacekowskiMaka: emm, guide?19:16
Makalike wiki pages?19:16
jacekowskiMaka: emmm19:16
jacekowskiMaka: it shows you cpu and memory usage19:16
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: don't shout at him, it's been me who sugested to use those system tools19:17
MakaLOL :)19:17
Makaguys,u both are my Gurus now :)19:17
jacekowskiI'M NOT SHOUTING19:17
DocScrutinizerMaka: moment please19:18
MakaYa okay lad :)19:18
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jacekowskihttp://linux.die.net/man/5/proc19:19
jacekowskihere19:19
jacekowskiall abbreviations are explained19:19
jacekowskiand other stuff19:19
DocScrutinizerMaka: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powertop  http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption19:19
Makathanks a lot Jacekowski :)19:19
MakaThanks a lot DOc :)19:19
Makaand here is my main prob..19:20
Makaeven now i face it..19:20
jacekowskiyou can't read?19:20
slonopotamus"lad" smth like "pal" but more femalish?19:20
Makasome of the icons suddenly disappear from my desktops..19:20
Makawhy is it?19:20
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: it's unfortunate also that OSSv4 is mostly dying (no hw support)19:21
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Maka@slopotamus:sounds so??19:21
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GAN900slonopotamus, more Irish.19:22
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DocScrutinizerMaka: vanishing desktop icons (widgets?) are probably caused by one of them aborting on startup19:22
GAN900http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lad19:22
DocScrutinizer~dict lad19:22
infobotDictionary 'lad' (1 of 5): \Lad\ (l[a^]d), n. [OE. ladde, of Celtic origin; cf. W. llawd, Ir. lath. [root]123. Cf. {Lass}.] 1. A boy; a youth; a stripling. "Cupid is a knavish lad." --Shak. [1913 Webster] There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves and two small fishes.                 --John vi. 9. [1913 Webster] 2. A companion; a comrade; a mate. [1913 Webster] {Lad's love}. (Bot.) See {Boy's love}, under {Boy}. [1913 Webster].19:23
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NooBmonk3y~dict scrutinizer19:23
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infobotDictionary 'scrutinizer' (2): \Scru"ti*ni`zer\, n. One who scrutinizes. [1913 Webster] ;; a careful examiner; someone who inspects with great care .19:23
NooBmonk3yjust checking :P19:23
NooBmonk3yevening alls :)19:23
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: maybe the mass deployment of PA actually does something good regarding establishing one *standard* for unix audio interfaces. Alas I have a hard time believing in my own words here19:26
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: see the extremely long post on that blog, by some zachary(?) dude19:27
javispedroDocScrutinizer: it's happening already, see embedded space.19:27
DocScrutinizeryeah19:27
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it will19:27
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i mean, PA will spread, everybody will start using it19:27
javispedrothe question is why does lennart say that people should not use PA api19:27
javispedrodirectly.19:27
jacekowskiand then some moron will come up with idea that PA i bad19:27
jacekowskiand it should be done in some other way19:27
DocScrutinizerand probably he's right on it :-P19:28
jacekowskinothing new19:28
jacekowskioss -> alsa -> PA19:28
DocScrutinizeryeah19:28
NooBmonk3yhmmm meego has decided it is not touch screen anymore :P lol19:29
DocScrutinizerbut while ALSA targeted some evident flaws of OSS, PA simply is done because "ALSA sucks"19:29
DocScrutinizernot really doing anything any better than ALSA, not even docs19:30
jacekowskiwell, only real flaw in alsa is lack of properly done mixin19:30
jacekowskig19:30
javispedrojacekowski: and horribly complex userspace API.19:30
javispedroseriously, 4 layers of abstraction for setting a simple mixer?19:30
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jacekowskialmost like PA19:30
DocScrutinizerlol, exactly19:30
javispedrojacekowski: PA actually hides them from you19:30
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mavhcopen source: because you can never have too much abstraction19:30
DocScrutinizer\o/19:30
javispedrojacekowski: and does useful things for them, like allowing you to set "Digital Out" profile and the like19:31
javispedros/for them/with them19:31
DocScrutinizerhaha19:31
DocScrutinizeryeah, scroll back to see how easy that is, for a fsckng silly simple mixing of mic with mediaplayer output :-P19:32
javispedroDocScrutinizer: please note that is what Nokia wanted.19:32
javispedroso, in a sense, PulseAudio allowed them to do weird things like that. *shudder*19:33
DocScrutinizerwhich should make us boggle19:33
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javispedrothat's why I was saying the policy part should be separate...19:33
DocScrutinizer:-D19:33
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RST38hok, moo aall19:34
* RST38h is kinda back19:34
javispedrokillall audiopolicyd19:34
javispedromoo RST38h19:34
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: why not just bare alsa?19:34
* DocScrutinizer is kinda gone19:34
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: I'm all for that19:34
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DocScrutinizerPA is mere useless, esp for embedded19:35
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slonopotamusi just don't see what value it adds19:35
DocScrutinizernone19:35
jacekowskislonopotamus: no mixing19:35
jacekowskithat's only reason why bare alsa would have problems19:36
javispedroremember my previous argument: three parts: policy, mixing, and abstraction.19:36
javispedrothat's what pulseaudio "gives".19:36
javispedroor tries to give...19:36
DocScrutinizerWTF? dmix worked fine for me ever since I did a proper config for it19:36
RST38hslono: It lets another open source developer to design his own ultimate audio framework19:36
slonopotamusjacekowski: mixing of what?19:36
jacekowskimicrophone19:36
RST38hjavis: I told you before, multiple open()s of /dev/dsp will give you just that19:36
jacekowskidmix can only do output19:36
RST38hjavis: And yes, theoretically you can make them sockets and mix in user space19:37
jacekowskiand dsnoop is fubar19:37
javispedroRST38h: that's "mixing" part, and it wouldn't on a n900 for ex.19:37
javispedro(so, still other two parts to go)19:37
RST38hjavis: Why?19:37
javispedroRST38h: no hw mix19:37
RST38hAnd what other two parts?19:37
javispedropolicy & abstraction19:37
RST38hjavis: Oh,you can do sw mix with dev/dsp19:37
javispedroin kernel19:37
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: proof it! what's wrong with dsnoop?19:37
jacekowskiRST38h: where19:37
slonopotamusjacekowski: i have skype working on gentoo desktop with only alsa (no PA, no ESD). what i am doing wrong?19:37
RST38hjavis: and policy too19:37
jacekowskijavispedro: you can't19:37
javispedrojacekowski: ossv419:37
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i never managed to get it working19:37
jacekowskijavispedro: well, ossv4 breaks kernel policy of not using floats in kernel19:38
RST38hjavis: As I said, make /dev/dsp* nodes sockets. Let a userspace program handle data from them, mix it, stream to the main /dev/dsp (let us say one without a number)19:38
javispedrojacekowski: I agree.19:38
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DocScrutinizerit worked on my desktop for, like, 4 years19:38
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DocScrutinizerwithout any problem19:38
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RST38hjavis: Let the same userspace agent do policies19:38
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javispedroRST38h: and you get pulseaudio, but done right =)19:39
javispedrowhich is exactly what I want, a simpler thing.19:39
RST38hjavis: Well, isn't this what we all want?19:39
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javispedronot ALSA!19:39
* slonopotamus wonders why n900 has 1.5x more processes running than his desktop19:39
RST38hjavis: And if you do get hw mixing, you replace those extra dev/dsp*s with hw nodes19:39
RST38hjavis: for as many hw channels as supported19:39
DocScrutinizerWHAT??? audio processing using floats?19:40
RST38hYes, Doc.19:40
DocScrutinizerwhat a friggin idiot did that ?19:40
RST38hThere are smart people like that19:40
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RST38hAnd there are people using floats in video decoding too19:40
RST38hAnd audio decoding. They are Ogg people.19:40
RST38hBTW, I suspect that mixing audio in the kernel is no longer that much of a problem19:41
RST38hGiven the throughput needed and the current CPUs performance19:42
javispedroall that I want is a simpler daemon, with a public simplePA-like or OSS-like API. With the three tasks PA does now clearly separated.19:42
RST38hJust say it: you hate PA and do not want PA19:42
javispedroand get ALSA as out of the picture as possible. Linux-only thing, complex beast.19:42
RST38hSame for ALSA19:42
RST38hAnd anything else designed by a megalomaniac19:42
slonopotamuswhat the hell are you talking about?19:43
slonopotamusskype does work with bare alsa. what else do you need from audio?19:43
slonopotamusand i bet many other softphones do too.19:43
* javispedro runs out of keyboard batteries =)19:43
pupniknokia wanted policies to manage different app behavior for audio19:43
pupnikyou can look at the PA config to see how much is going on19:43
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RST38hyou can do policies without PA19:44
pupnikand get it out the door on time?19:44
RST38hYes19:44
pupnikk19:44
RST38hWant me to tell you how this can be done, with /dev/dsp API, in 1-2 days?19:44
pupniki miss /dev/dsp19:44
RST38h1. Implement ioctl() that passes policy ID (a enum) to the driver (or userspace agent)19:45
DocScrutinizerdo a ps, grep for ped X-P19:45
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RST38h2. Make the agent use these IDs when mixing19:45
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RST38h[NOTE: Never ever refuse or block open() on the daudio device, if you need to mute a client, simply ignore its data)19:46
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pupnikthat sounds totally right19:46
RST38hUntil ioctl() with policy ID passed, assume lowest priority19:46
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pupniki respect the audio opinions of emu devs a lot19:47
DocScrutinizerRST38h: sounds like one of my statements of 3 years ago :-D19:47
RST38hAgain, with only one hw audio channel, make /dev/dsp actual device node, make /dev/dsp* sockets to the userpsace mixer19:47
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pupnikyes!19:47
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RST38hWith /dev/dsp being permanently open by the mixer19:48
pupniknote to world: meego does not have to copy ubuntu19:48
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pupniki love it RST38h :) :)19:48
RST38hit has to copy redhat instead? :)19:48
pupnikRST38h: now what about managing different audio outputs?   BT / Headphone / Speaker19:48
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javispedrothat's one of the three PA parts: abstraction19:50
javispedroIMHO that's the one that should be moved to the kernel, if any.19:50
RST38hpupnik: main /dev/dsp API19:51
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RST38hpupnik: actually, it has been done already with /dev/mixer19:51
RST38hJust keep that API19:51
RST38hIf these are separate outputs (and not just a mux from the same output), keep them as separate /dev/dsps19:52
RST38hIn this case, userspace agent handles switching19:52
pupnikby renaming nodes?19:52
RST38hProbably using the same /dev/mixer API19:52
pupnikoh ok19:52
RST38hAbsolutely no need to invent newcrap19:52
RST38hThere is already enough audio-related crap invented in Linux to burn its authors in their own printouts, a few times19:53
javispedrothe only issue I can see is that seemingly ALSA makes kernel drivers "easier". But kill the damn user space API and make it a stupid oss-like device.19:53
RST38hALSA makes nothing easier19:54
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RST38hALSA is made by another bunch of people who thought they could address EVERY possible need, and do it "easier" than OSS19:54
RST38h(with predictable results)19:54
RST38hALSA is not event fully implemented anywhere outside x86 (and probably SoundBlaster :))19:55
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RST38hBTW http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/multilinux/excerpt/ch14-07.htm19:56
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RST38hPerfectly sensible API, no idea why all these people went off and built their own sand castles19:57
chxALSA makes me think of the quote from 9 "we had such promise"19:58
chxI remember when ALSA started19:58
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GAN900How is it *nix audio always sucks so much.19:59
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javispedronow move this discussion to #meego and watch an entirely different outcome =)19:59
* MohammadAG gets popcorn20:00
RST38hjavispedro: You will be told to use Qt for audio20:02
RST38hAnd not worry about anything else20:02
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MohammadAGRST38h, let's try that!20:03
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pupnikit's like this was made by web-developers20:05
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thomasvsI tried upgrading my n900 to pr1.3; ran into various issues, and used apt-get to resolve them.20:05
thomasvsIt has now updated a whole slew of packages, but about still mentions the version of pr 1.2, not of 1.320:06
pupniki believe that's just an oversight20:06
thomasvsmy app manager doesn't list maemo5 as an update anymore.  Is there a specific pkg that should be installed that I can check for to say 'this is 1.3' ?20:06
thomasvsthe sources.list.d still only mentions 1.2 too, btw20:06
thomasvsthe kernel was built Aug 6, which would put it after PR1.220:07
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thomasvspupnik: you mean they forgot to update the about box ?20:09
pupnikthomasvs: i think so, not sure20:09
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thomasvspupnik: hm... what does yours say then ?20:09
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pupnikdon't have a device to help you with20:10
pupnikbut i'm pretty sure talk.maemo.org has something about pr1.320:10
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: alas not all mixers follow that simple scheme not shown in that nonexistent graphic over there20:16
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: check WM8753 as used in Freerunner, for example. You're massively lost if you try to tackle that critter with your simplified mixer concept20:17
DocScrutinizerAIC34 in N900 is not any much better20:18
RST38hDoc: Well, as you have got a software layer for mixing anyway, you can make an approximation20:18
RST38hIn fact, that is what PA is doing at the moment20:18
SpeedEvilAIC is worse in many ways.20:19
SpeedEvilHow do you model arbitrary filters in sw20:19
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RST38hhttp://focus.tij.co.jp/jp/lit/ml/slyt275/slyt275.pdf ?20:20
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javispedroI think you'll eventually need a array of <string,value> mixer controls20:21
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javispedroaka the first of the four layers of alsa controls ;)20:21
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: eeeh what? aproximation? for things like sidetone, or digital filter register settings?20:23
alteregoEh?20:23
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DocScrutinizerwhat's the aproximation of micbias switch?20:26
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DocScrutinizerof micboost+20dBm?20:27
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DocScrutinizerI'd point you to some nice papers/docs and ask how you handle that - if only wiki.om wasn't down right ATM20:28
javispedroas I was saying, by an extra set of <string, value> mixer controls20:29
javispedro<Mic Boost, Boolean>20:29
DocScrutinizeryeah, sure, but not in the way suggested in http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/multilinux/excerpt/ch14-07.htm20:30
javispedrowhat is nice about that is that it is unified20:30
* alterego sighs20:30
lardmanwho knows about QMaemo5InformationBox::information () ?20:30
javispedroALSA went entirely for the <string, value> way, and you get the issue that user space can't even GUESS what the master volume control is.20:30
DocScrutinizeryo20:31
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DocScrutinizerthat's why you need a second abstraction layer20:31
* javispedro twitches20:31
javispedrobut you need one like what pulseaudio does (put the card in "digital profile", "phone mode", etc.), not the useless alsa ones20:32
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DocScrutinizerdo ps|grep ped20:32
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DocScrutinizerthat's not paped !20:33
javispedroseems that I still have a lot to learn about how the nokia policy thing works20:34
DocScrutinizerand we had that concept since ages on OM, called alsa scenarios20:34
BCMMare there any "share via service" plugins that use something like omploader?20:34
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BCMMalso, my USB cable has arrived from Hong Kong!20:35
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BCMM(hostmode cable)20:35
javispedroDocScrutinizer: ah, the profiles thing was introduced in newer PA versions20:35
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DocScrutinizerprofiles/scenarios have a massive shortcoming: you can't usually modify them on the fly (see scrollback for the mic mixin issue)20:37
DocScrutinizerI developed a concept of merging several scenarios, where for each control it's decided if there's a compatible setting meeting both requests20:38
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DocScrutinizerif the scenarios conflict, the one with higher priority is set, and the other audio path is muted20:39
DocScrutinizerand the app signalled about that fact20:39
DocScrutinizerand the best thing of it: it's completely ALSA :-D20:40
DocScrutinizerplus extensions of course20:40
DocScrutinizerbut those extensions are transparent to all apps using alsa audio20:41
ChoomI don't see much of a reason to rely on anything other than alsa itself20:41
Choombesides alsa being a mess20:41
MohammadAGalterego, http://i53.tinypic.com/24vpnj4.jpg (is that small enough?)20:41
DocScrutinizercya20:41
* Choom still misses the simplicity of OSS20:41
alteregoMohammadAG: yeah :P20:42
alteregoI think the buttons would be better vertical and to the right.20:42
alteregoBut that should be configurable ;)20:42
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MohammadAGalterego, I was thinking of a slide from the right transition, and hence their location ;)20:44
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alteregopfft20:45
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alteregoYou can still slide from the right20:45
alteregoTo the right hand side :P20:45
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MohammadAGlol20:46
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lardmanX-Fade: you about?20:50
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lardmanor does anyone else know how I link my email to a bugs.maemo.org product?20:53
NooBmonk3y?20:53
lardmane.g. *@mbarcode.garage.org20:53
lardmane.g. *@mbarcode.garage.bugs20:53
lardmaneven20:53
NooBmonk3yoh, no idea, :|20:53
lardmanI remember setting up the list, but must have forgotten to set my email to receive the reports20:54
lardmans/list/tracker20:54
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pupnikThings to be thankful for in 2010:  the *nixes (android, ios) beat microsoft in the mobiles market.  now the world uses unix :)  sort of, at least21:12
RST38hTamoggemon Software, based in Germany, has written a book which "takes C++ programmers and transforms them into lean and mean Symbian coding machines".21:14
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RST38hAs I said, AllAboutSymbian is getting really desperate lately21:14
javispedrooh, Tamoggemon21:15
javispedroI remember them21:15
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javispedroPalm guys21:15
javispedroI wrote on their blog in their first days iirc :)21:15
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pupnikas long as there are symbian phones there will be a market21:17
javispedroI hate it when someone converts "I'm not willing to implement this feature but I will help you do it" to "I will guide you through opening the development environment, find the letter i on the keyboard, find the letter n on the keyboard ... now type int main() { ... "21:18
pupnikew21:18
javispedrostop asking dammit.21:18
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RST38hcnn.com crashed21:19
javispedrodns issue here21:19
RST38hyea21:19
RST38hsame21:19
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lardmanany way to import iCal etc into the calendar?21:20
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javispedroRST38h: http://157.166.224.26/21:22
RST38hah you got the address! =)21:22
javispedrothank pdnsd :)21:22
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: hehe21:23
DocScrutinizeris CIA messing up DNS, to kill wikileaks?21:24
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lardmananyone know if the Qt apis work with the calendar?21:27
javispedrolardman: I believe so21:27
javispedroyou mean mobility?21:27
lardmanyep21:27
javispedroIt should, I do not know if it's stable.21:28
lardmanhmm, I don't see where it is in mobility though...?21:29
javispedroOrganizer21:29
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javispedrohttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/organizer.html21:29
lardmanah good stuff21:29
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lardmanGoogle still links to the old stuff21:29
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DocScrutinizerhas Qt got any more sane calendar widget than that idiocy found in e.g. maemo contacts, settings, etc?21:31
DocScrutinizermore something like zenity has?21:31
sp3000lardman, https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email and add those to the watch list at the bottom21:31
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DocScrutinizerbtw who's maintaining zenity? the calendar has a flaw21:33
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DocScrutinizeror more like a bug21:34
MohammadAGqwerty12 afaik21:35
DocScrutinizer:-/21:35
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: could you... ?21:35
lardmansp3000: thanks21:35
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what's the bug?21:35
* alterego is building the latest daily meego handset image for the N90021:35
DocScrutinizerdo a zenity --calendar21:35
alteregoMight actually get some work done today afterall ..21:36
DocScrutinizertry to change to anothe month21:36
javispedroalterego: did you succeed in building a recent version of mtf?21:36
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DocScrutinizerit works if you grab&swipe on an empty spot21:36
lardmansp3000: hmm, actually I don't think that's what I need21:36
DocScrutinizerbut alas there are monts that have no empty spot either at start of month or at end21:37
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DocScrutinizerso you can't get to Oct 2010, from a zenity --calendar21:38
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alteregojavispedro: yes, eventually.21:38
alteregojavispedro: well, I built it from git in scratchbox, then I noticed they have their own packaging structure so I tried with dpkg and it failed because of a few build deps that aren't available.21:38
alteregoSome subscriber framework and an out of date package, can't remember off hand what that is.21:38
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, looks like a hildon+gtk bug to me21:38
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DocScrutinizerand you cant get to August 201121:39
MohammadAGtry GTK2_RC_FILES=/ zenity --calendar21:39
javispedroalterego: aha, so only deps problems21:39
MohammadAGyou'll see what I mean21:39
lardmansp3000: I want to automatically receive all mbarcode bugs21:39
DocScrutinizerDUH!21:40
alteregojavispedro: yeah.21:40
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alteregojavispedro: well, and some source changes.21:40
sp3000lardman, that'll do it, no?21:40
alteregoMissing newlines at the ends of some files.21:40
alteregoNothing major.21:40
javispedroah, I remember that21:40
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lardmansp3000: looks like it just allows me to specify what I want to receive once I'm added to a bug, my issue is that the *@mbarcode.maemo.bugs default email doesn't go to me21:41
sp3000lardman, the input at the bottom21:41
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: well, this GTK"_RC thing has a left/right rotary for month and year, but the swiping up/down is similarly borked21:41
sp3000under "User Watching"21:42
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sp3000so you want to watch the @mbarcode.maemo.bugs pseudo-users21:42
lardmanbut I am one of those pseudo-users and am not receiving email21:43
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sp3000oh, I didn't know it was possible to be one21:43
lardmanI don't see to be able to put in an email address there21:44
lardmanit days not recognised, I think it's looking for a username21:44
lardmansp3000: well at least I presume I should be, should receive email that is sent to any of those mbarcode.maemo.bugs addresses21:44
sp3000hm, I would expect it to take mail (bugzilla doesn't know about other kinds of usernames, the realname is just other text)21:45
lardmanin which case those addresses aren't real users apparently21:45
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sp3000I presumed the pseudo-users would not be receiving mail themselves, just watchers21:45
lardmanor even pseudo ones21:45
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lardmanI'll ask X-Fade tomorrow, I've no clue how it's supposed to work I must admit21:46
lardmanthanks for trying though :)21:46
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: ohh, actually the plain one (w/o GTK2_RC_FILES=/ ) also has the rotary function, only you don't see the arrows, and the hot area is incredibly small, and for me also quite a bit offset21:46
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sp3000lardman, timeless_mbp might reappear later, he should understand it too21:46
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, yep21:47
lardmansp3000: cool, thanks21:47
DocScrutinizerwell I gather it's more a question of a proper GTK theme then, first instance?21:48
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, yep21:48
MohammadAGyou can use any theme you want21:48
DocScrutinizerthough that swiping bug is really annoying21:48
MohammadAGI found this btw, http://qtnode.net/wiki/Custom_widgets21:48
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DocScrutinizerpff, in fact that's not swiping at all, just another button hot-area where there are no date digits in calendar for that month21:50
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jacekowskii was wondering, how is SAW technology coming along21:54
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jacekowskiis it anywhere close to be usable?21:54
RST38hwow, dns is really screwed21:55
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MohammadAGany git experts here?21:58
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javispedrodo you really need an expert or will a noob suffice?21:58
MohammadAGnoob will suffice I suppose, probably than me :P21:58
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MohammadAGI added Venemo as a collaborator21:59
MohammadAGbut I can't figure out how to let him push the changes21:59
MohammadAGhe made the commit21:59
VenemoI can't push21:59
javispedroit's a gitorious issue then21:59
javispedroVenemo: error message?21:59
MohammadAGnah, seems like a me-being-a-git-noob issue21:59
MohammadAGpush url is read only22:00
Venemointeresting22:00
javispedrogit itself has no concept of users or permissions22:00
MohammadAGshouldn't git clone copy the correct URL?22:00
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MohammadAGor does he have to set it22:00
javispedroyou might have cloned frm the read only URL?22:00
javispedroif you cloned from it, it will by default try to push to it22:00
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MohammadAGhow can he change it?22:01
javispedrogit config remote.origin.url=newurl22:01
Venemojavispedro: http://fpaste.org/ONdh/22:01
javispedro"git config --get remote.origin.url" to get it22:01
javispedroVenemo: yeah, confirming: you should have cloned from the ssh:// url22:02
Venemojavispedro: and http://fpaste.org/Hiti/22:02
MohammadAGgit config remote.origin.url=git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git then?22:02
Venemojavispedro: why isn't the git:// working? eh.22:02
javispedroMohammadAG: yep22:02
javispedroVenemo: I think the only one that works is ssh one :S22:02
Kaadlajkguess there is no way to authenticate thru git://22:03
Venemoeh.22:03
MohammadAGVenemo, git config remote.origin.url=git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git22:03
Venemoso what should I do?22:03
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VenemoMohammadAG: ok, did it22:03
MohammadAGgit push origin master22:03
javispedronow try pushing, and wait for the inevitable error message (you need to setup ssh keys, etc.)22:03
MohammadAGyou have your ssh key there right?22:04
MohammadAGheh22:04
MohammadAGtry pushing first22:04
Venemojavispedro, MohammadAG: still this error message http://fpaste.org/ONdh/22:04
javispedrooh22:04
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javispedroVenemo: paste output of "git config -l", remove your email address from it if you want22:05
Venemojavispedro: http://fpaste.org/bb0w/22:05
Venemojavispedro: my e-mail address is not in there22:05
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javispedroaw sorry22:06
MohammadAGcan't he just sed the config file?22:06
javispedrogit config remote.origin.url git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git22:06
javispedrosyntax doesn't have = sign.22:06
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javispedroVenemo: "git config remote.origin.url git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git" then retry pushing22:07
ZogGquimgil22:07
ZogGAll I have to say about the Nokia strategy is that I like it. And now, with your permission I'm going to do my stuff.22:07
Venemonew error: http://fpaste.org/hRIL/22:07
ZogGLOLOLOLOLOLOL22:07
VenemoZogG: lol indeed22:07
ZogGVenemo you didn't see how he tried to layer me =)22:08
VenemoZogG: I thought you're saying LOL to my link :P22:08
ZogGi asked why they advise to developers not to develop for maemo522:08
ZogGand he said something about meego and maemo and symbian22:08
ZogGVenemo i was talking about quimgil22:09
MohammadAGVenemo, add your public key22:09
ZogGMohammadAG good work pal btw22:09
VenemoMohammadAG: how do I do that?22:09
ZogGwanted to say you several times, didn't have a chance22:10
ZogGVenemo why do you use fedora paste? =)22:10
MohammadAGgot your dashboard, edit ssh keys, and add yours22:10
MohammadAGZogG, thanks :)22:10
VenemoZogG: two reasons. 1) MohammadAG told pastebin is down 2) I use Fedora :P22:10
ZogGnope, thank you22:10
VenemoZogG: and | fpaste works sometimes :)22:11
MohammadAGcat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to get your key22:11
ZogGVenemo 1) pastie.org and thousands others, 2) are you srs?22:11
VenemoMohammadAG: cat: /home/Timur/.ssh/id_rsa.pub: No such file or directory22:11
javispedrossh-keygen -t rsa22:11
VenemoZogG: I am srs. Why?22:11
ZogGVenemo creat a key than22:12
ZogGVenemo fedora? if so than ubuntu22:12
* MohammadAG wants a darker Ubuntu theme22:12
ZogGMohammadAG there a lot22:13
VenemoZogG: I use Fedora, what's the problem with that?22:13
MohammadAGZogG, same as stock?22:13
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MohammadAGVenemo, generated a key?22:13
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VenemoMohammadAG: yes, I did22:14
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ZogGMohammadAG you want 1 as stock but darker or dark theme?22:14
Venemonow I made an SSH key and I uploaded it to Gitorious22:14
Venemoha!22:15
Venemocommit succeded! :)22:15
Venemoor push22:15
Venemowhatever22:15
javispedrohttp://gitorious.org/mediabar/mediabar22:16
javispedroit works :)22:16
Venemowhy don't I see my commit on Gitorious?22:16
javispedrowell I do ...22:16
javispedrorefresh, or just wait.22:16
Venemooh, I see it now too22:16
VenemoMohammadAG: does it work?22:17
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MohammadAGjavispedro, how do I sync changes?22:18
javispedroMohammadAG: git pull22:18
MohammadAGgit pull?22:18
Venemojavispedro: thank you very-very-VERY much for your help :)22:18
Venemojavispedro: Git hates me :(22:18
javispedroVenemo: just hope it doesn't break in the near future =)22:19
MohammadAGheh, failed22:20
Venemowell then just backup your changes, delete the directory, then clone again22:20
javispedrohah22:20
javispedrofailed due to what? local changes?22:20
javispedrobah, I've spent the entire afternoon on hold here just in case I got called from work and nothing happened.22:22
* javispedro curses22:22
MohammadAGnvm, fixed it22:22
Venemoso MohammadAG, does the stuff work for you?22:22
MohammadAGyes, just doing minor changes, you got rid of the timeout :)22:23
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VenemoMohammadAG: sorry for that, I got rid of most of the DBus code22:24
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MohammadAGnoticed that, thanks :)22:26
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VenemoMohammadAG: the question is, does it work?22:26
MohammadAGyep, also added the timeout back and it still works :)22:27
MohammadAGbtw, does it matter where #includes are? you moved it from the .h to the .cpp file22:27
VenemoMohammadAG: just the DBus include22:27
alteregoDoes the N900 work well on Verizon?22:28
MohammadAGyeah, why?22:28
VenemoMohammadAG: that's because there is no DBus code in the .h, so no need for it to be there?22:28
MohammadAGhmm22:28
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MohammadAGbut the .h file is included anyways22:28
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Venemoyes22:28
Venemothis is a general good practice anyway22:28
lcukoh, hi b-man` \o22:29
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MohammadAGVenemo, you removed setWindowAttribute(Qt::WA_TranslucentBackground); :P22:29
b-man`hey lcuk :)22:29
VenemoMohammadAG: yes, because the rest of the window is transculent anyway22:30
lcukb-man`, you got the green light to come on then22:30
VenemoMohammadAG: you can readd it, I was just experimenting with stuff22:30
* lcuk pokes Venemo and MohammadAG 22:30
Venemohello lcuk o722:30
MohammadAGVenemo, setAttribute(Qt::WA_TranslucentBackground);*22:30
b-man`lcuk: rofl22:31
MohammadAGVenemo, oh, that's because the buttons are borked22:31
MohammadAGinstall alphathemefix :P22:31
VenemoMohammadAG: what's that?22:31
b-man`lcuk: I've been busy teaching myself how to properly solder for a project i'm working on22:31
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lcukb-man`, oooh22:31
* lcuk once had a job fixing circuit boards22:32
MohammadAGVenemo, it replaces the buttons with borders with borderless buttons22:32
b-man`it involves JeeNodes :)22:32
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MohammadAGit's how PSFreedom's buttons look nice22:32
VenemoMohammadAG: oh.22:32
b-man`(JeeNode is basically an arduino with a radio)22:32
lcukooh22:32
MohammadAGb-man`, OC your N900 and solder with it, nice little tool isn't it?22:32
b-man`LOL22:33
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VenemoMohammadAG: hehe22:33
lcukactually theres other ways to warm up an n90022:33
MohammadAGVenemo, shall I make the buttons small or not?22:33
lcuksome people are reporting being able to fry bacon on the keyboard22:33
VenemoMohammadAG: a bit smaller, yes22:33
VenemoMohammadAG: and maybe flat22:33
b-man`lcuk: what kind of equipment did you work on? :)22:33
VenemoMohammadAG: something like on the 5800?22:33
lcukMohammadAG, which ui are you discussing?22:33
lcukb-man`, vending machine coin mechs22:34
Venemolcuk, the Media Bar22:34
b-man`heh22:34
lcukb-man`, learning about just how a coin is detected as real and its value and how it rejects fakes whilst it bounces down a short pathway is awesome22:34
* lcuk liked the piezo bounce unit best22:35
lcukat the end of a run, it hit a piezo wall which detected a certain frequency/voltage spike22:35
lcukdifferent coins have different results22:35
b-man`cool :)22:36
lcukI think of that stuff every time I put a coin in a machine and smile :)22:36
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MohammadAG<lcuk> actually theres other ways to warm up an n90022:38
b-man`lcuk: that'd be a great subject for the science channel's "How Stuff Works" show :)22:38
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MohammadAGuse it with a nipple22:38
lcukb-man`, there probably is already22:39
lcukanother stage involves coils and induction22:39
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lcukMohammadAG, o_O22:41
lcuknipples to do what?22:41
MohammadAGto heat it up22:41
MohammadAGyou've been working with nipples for some time now, I've got logs!22:41
b-man`lol22:42
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VenemoMohammadAG: yeah, but his are artifical ones22:42
MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/.xchat2/xchatlogs$ cat FreeNode-#liqbase.log | grep nipple* | wc -l22:43
MohammadAG1222:43
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lcuk:$22:43
MohammadAG:P22:43
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lcukwhen also tied in with boob it probably looks quite bad22:43
lcukMohammadAG, at the conference revdkathy wanted me to make an app22:44
lcukliqballs22:44
* lcuk declined.22:44
MohammadAGLMFAO22:44
b-man`oh god XD22:44
DangerMausboobs and balls hmmm22:44
* lcuk now hopes #liqbase does not end up as a XXX channel22:45
* MohammadAG invites friends22:45
b-man`lcuk: shhhh!!!!!!!122:45
Venemolcuk: well then, thank me for not posting pics and vids when you guys asked for them... :P22:45
lcuki did not ask22:46
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lcukin that case anyway :P22:46
MohammadAG<KotCzarny> venemo: pics or it didn't happen :P22:46
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> s/pics/vids/22:46
MohammadAGit wasn't him :P22:46
* lcuk considers removing boobie touch video though22:46
* MohammadAG didn't see that one22:46
Venemounfortunately, in English the word 'you' means plural and singular too22:46
MohammadAGor did I...22:46
lcukhold on ill post it22:46
MohammadAGNSFW?22:47
lardmanhmm, anyone else have qt-mobility-organiser installable?22:47
lardmans/s/z22:47
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp422:47
lcukactually, very safe for work :P22:47
lcukMohammadAG, it was even on youtube for a short while o_O22:47
lcuklardman, not tried22:48
lcukwheres the giturl?22:48
MohammadAGI thought desktops were connect to AC so they don't auto sleep22:48
MohammadAGdamn windows22:48
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lardmanjavispedro: as you pointed it out, have you been able to install the organizer (sic) stuff on an N900?22:49
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javispedrolardman: unfortunately I tried before it was even packaged22:50
javispedroI clearly remember there was a maemo5 organizer backend .so file22:50
lardmanis it packaged? I didn't see it in the repo22:50
javispedroI mean the entire qtmobility22:50
javispedrolook for qtm-*22:50
javispedroor *qtm* =)22:50
javispedrohmm22:51
javispedrocannot find it22:51
lardmannot just me then :)22:51
MohammadAGlol lcuk22:53
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Arkenoilcuk, is it capacitive one?22:54
javispedrono idea what they did with the package22:54
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lcukhttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta/organizer.html22:54
lcukorganiser api is mobility 1.122:54
lcukits nott in 1.022:54
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javispedrooh.22:55
lcukthe qtmobility meta package was created in a way which should allow updating it22:55
lcukhowever, since complete packaging for qtm 1.1 is not even yet fully available22:55
lcuk(i have been talking to qtm guys and community hacker from meego22:55
lcukand he has offered initial packaging for meego rpm stuff22:55
* lcuk guesses that 1.1 debs are in need of the same kind of love22:56
lardmanfair enough, just wondering if I can use qtm eventually on the N900 or if I need to go back to the raw calendar backend api22:56
lcuklardman, its entirely feasible22:56
lcukand should be added as candidate for the community ssu as they both get organised22:56
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alteregoError: failed to create image : Failed to apply configuration to image22:57
* javispedro sighs22:57
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javispedroyet another topic that will some day be talked about on the "maemo5 support" thread22:58
lardmanah well, on that note I think I'll head to the TV, can't be arsed to work out how the calendar-backend stuff works tonight22:58
MohammadAGis this right?     if(QSettings().value("main/timeout").toString().isEmpty() || QSettings().value("main/timeout").isNull())22:58
MohammadAG        QSettings().value("main/timeout").setValue(1500);22:58
lcuklardman, how would a frontend work?22:58
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lardmanlcuk: that's the name of the lib: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/calendar-backend/22:58
lcuklardman, get the latest libraries into your scratchbox and run qmake; make22:59
lcuk?22:59
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lcuk>> hacking23:01
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: why not check the .toInt value? If there's no proper int inside the setting, the compare should fail anyway23:13
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GAN900If we can reimplement most of the Maemo 5 applications before Christmas, do we get to call Nokia a band of incompetent idiots?23:15
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MohammadAGGAN900, question is, can we?23:18
MohammadAGI can redo all the UIs, can you implement the backends?23:18
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SpeedEvilI will give anyone who succeeds in such a task a gold bar for christmas (*)23:22
SpeedEvil* May be 24 carat gold, with a core of chocolate.23:22
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GAN900MohammadAG, no, I'm just a cheerleader. :P23:24
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b-man`:)23:25
pupnikdid anybody ever get pulseaudio running without xprot speaker protection on n90023:27
pupnik?  i'm curious whether that was most of the cpu load, or whether it was caused by PA itself23:27
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otwieraczHello.23:28
otwieraczDoes anybody have pidgin with working GPG?23:28
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Triscar0is there a support channel for SMScon ?23:31
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djszapihey, how can I open a html file in offline mode ? What is the browser name on n900 ?23:35
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BCMMdjszapi: if you select an HTML file in the file manager, it opens in the browser23:36
SpeedEvilfile:///23:36
SpeedEvilor that23:36
BCMMalso, you can type file:// urls in the address bar23:36
djszapiso what is the programname if I would like to do it from cli ?23:36
BCMM(meaning that, contrary to popular opinion, the n900 *does* ship with a non-locked-down file browser)23:36
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SpeedEvilI don't think you can start the browser from the commandline cleanly23:38
SpeedEvil\23:38
SpeedEvilyou can call it by DBUS23:38
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Triscar0someone here who has smscon? or knows about another good tracking-mobile prog?23:39
Triscar0cant get smscon to work:\23:39
djszapihow can I play songs on a html page, like builtin ff player of xine and so on on my N900 ?23:39
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MohammadAGalterego, was the shower enough inspiration for transitions? :P23:42
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alteregoWell, I had the idea for fixing the transitions before I had the shower :P23:46
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MohammadAGso the idea went down the drain?23:49
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alteregoNo, I got side tracked.23:50
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alterego:P23:51
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alteregoI'll have a look at it in a bit :P23:51
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MohammadAGalterego, check the latest commit23:52
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alteregoOh, that's nice :)23:54
alteregoYou're using the proper API. Now isn't that a lot cleaner :D23:54
NooBmonk3yhmmm linuxy question, whats the best way to share my movie collection from ubuntu, so my xp laptops can see it? :)23:55
SpeedEvilsamba?23:55
MohammadAGalterego, it's not me who made the commit :P23:55
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, install ubuntu on the laptops23:56
alteregoHeh23:56
MohammadAGwhat? you asked for the best way23:56
NooBmonk3ylol Mo :P23:56
NooBmonk3y:|23:56
pupnik:)23:56
mecealterego, quick question23:56
MohammadAGalterego, got a gitorious account?23:56
pupniksamba is a straightforward way to serve your files.  if you want some blingy movie-only solution maybe uPnP23:56
alteregoYeah23:57
alterego"tswindell"23:57
pupnikand for streaming video to n900 or remote devices i still like ukki's "knots2" server23:57
pupnikbeing able to seek in streams is great23:57
* alterego is slightly dissappointed he can't build a madde sysroot23:57
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MohammadAGalterego, added23:58
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alteregofanks23:58

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