IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-12-12

Jay_BEEwelp... qtirreco no workee... reinstalling00:01
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, !! that was the post?00:02
NooBmonk3yran that and now qtirreco kinda works00:02
NooBmonk3yi managed to turn of my tv from about 3ft away :P00:02
NooBmonk3ymeh i sit about 6ft away lol00:03
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Jay_BEENooBmonk3y: which kernel are you running?00:06
Jay_BEEok i'm running 4500:06
NooBmonk3yJay, did you try what was in that post?00:06
MohammadAGupgrade to 46!00:06
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, why change if it is working? :P00:07
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Jay_BEENooBmonk3y: ps revealed that lirc was running00:07
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, with your logic I'd be on a 331000:07
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, ;)00:08
Jay_BEE[14:06]<MohammadAG>upgrade to 46!  <-- and lose uboot and no longer be able to run meego?! no way!00:08
NooBmonk3yJay_BEE, not tried uboot and meego yet00:08
Jay_BEE^run^dual boot00:08
NooBmonk3ya bit scared as i still have nitdroid rrunning00:08
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MohammadAGJay_BEE, he doesn't have uboot anyways, and I'm on 45 :P00:08
Jay_BEEi'll play with nitdroid when it becomes uboot capable00:08
NooBmonk3yand multiboot etc + uboot kinda scares me with some of the stories00:08
MohammadAGI've been pondering how to get a 46 image with uboot00:08
NooBmonk3ymeh havent used nitdroid in ages00:08
NooBmonk3ywanna remove it but too lazy to find out how to do it safely00:09
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Jay_BEEblah... still no workee00:11
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MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, sudo nitdroid-uninstaller00:11
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, and 46 has no uboot, so it's not scary :P00:12
NooBmonk3ydid nothing00:12
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NooBmonk3ymeh, but multiboot is still there00:12
NooBmonk3ywas already root00:12
NooBmonk3ydidnt need sudo lol00:12
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NooBmonk3yOk nitdroid removed....00:15
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NooBmonk3ymultiboot is gone, yay!00:15
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* GAN900 doesn't get nitdroid.00:18
GAN900Could be because Android just makes me rage, though.00:18
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einsteinchenhey @ all00:19
NooBmonk3ymeh, upgrading power kernel :|00:20
NooBmonk3yhi einsteinchen00:20
einsteinchenbtw power kernel, is ist save to use the power kernel?00:21
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einsteinchenbecause i want to tether via my n90000:22
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NooBmonk3yok 46 installed00:26
Jay_BEEno meego for u00:26
NooBmonk3ytough life00:26
Jay_BEEreckon u could always boot via the flasher00:26
NooBmonk3ymeh Ir still only works from 3 foot away00:27
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einsteinchensafe... i just want to know wethere there are some issues with the power kernel or not00:28
NooBmonk3yapart from as Jay mentioned, no uboot/meego, i've never experienced any personally00:29
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einsteinchenok, thx, i think i'll try00:30
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jacekowskiwhy there would be no uboot with power kernel?00:30
NooBmonk3yi dunno00:31
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NooBmonk3yJay_BEE, ?00:31
NooBmonk3ymaybe just no meego?00:31
NooBmonk3ymeh no idea00:31
jacekowskiyou can build your own image with uboot00:31
Jay_BEEuboot was removed from pk 4600:31
NooBmonk3yooo that sounds geeky00:31
jacekowskiit's all described on page with uboot for n90000:31
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CaCO3Hi all00:41
CaCO3I am building a new app in python with qwebview00:41
CaCO3For some reason it does not show scrollbars in Maemo00:42
CaCO3Does anybody know why?00:42
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CaCO3I tested other maemo apps with qwebvies, and they have all the same issue as well00:42
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qknightif anyone here likes evopedia, please give us the last vote to get from testing into extras: (so that everyone can benefit of evopedia)00:43
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crashanddieqknight: it's not about liking or disliking00:46
crashanddieqknight: this isn't facebook where people tell you you're awesome00:46
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crashanddielcuk: new liqbase binaries? Sweet.00:48
lcukjust catching up with calendar and liqflow00:49
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steinexcrashanddie, people with an attitude like yours are encouraging developing for maemo.00:49
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Jay_BEEwell... qtirreco is controlling my directtv box00:50
Jay_BEEnot sure why it's no longer controlling my tv00:50
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steinexwhy are you screwing people away?00:51
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Termanasteinex, you just told him people "with his attitude" are encouraging development for maemo and now you're saying he's "screwing people away"00:54
TermanaMake up your mind00:54
crashanddieTermana: I guess keeping the open source media player running isn't to his liking00:54
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crashanddieor following the QA rules00:55
Termanacrashanddie, :p00:55
GAN900crashanddie, already starting trouble. :P00:55
crashanddieGAN900: heh, he's probably an undercover Nokia ninja00:56
crashanddie"OH NOES, THEY BE STEALING OUR IP"00:56
GAN900If he were, you'd already be dead.00:56
crashanddiewait, what?00:57
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crashanddieNokia getting an employee to do things switfly and promptly?00:57
TermanaGAN900, but he wouldn't know about it. Ninja's are just that awesome00:57
GAN900crashanddie, this is the Nokia Special Operations division.00:57
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crashanddieYou mean you're there?00:58
GAN900crashanddie, no, as in "this is what we're talking about".01:00
ieatlinti just assumed you were all nokia shills01:00
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crashanddiedude, have you ever bothered reading what happened in this channel?01:01
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ieatlinti try not to01:01
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Termanaieatlint, shit you blew my cover. Now I'll have to get a different nickname and start all over thanks very much01:11
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NotTermanaHi everyone I am a newb01:12
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NotTermanaHow di I flush my N900?01:12
NotTermanaI hurd dere was some exta repos to install how do I do tat?01:12
NotTermanaNo ones helping me01:13
NotTermanaHelp me01:13
NotTermanaI am a loser01:13
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lcukhey Termana01:13
lcuki think your brother was just in here01:13
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Termanalcuk, no unfortunately my brother knows perfectly well how to "flush" an n90001:15
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lcukgood for him01:15
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Jay_BEEok qtirreco is also working with the tv again :)01:26
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Jay_BEE    <--- lol @ "is that a cardboard iPad?"01:29
GAN900ieatlint, shills. Yes, that.01:29
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NooBmonk3ylol Jay_BEE  yes, yes it is ;)01:32
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DocScrutinizerTermana: flush N900? The newly developed Nokia send in for repair? Easy! Go bathroom, drop N900 in toilet, pull the handle. N900 will ship to Nokia repair at maximum possible speed02:24
MohammadAGUploading uboot for kernel-power v46, let's hope you learn a lesson folks, never let trolls get to you02:27
mikki-kunMohammadAG: what is uboot?02:28
Jay_BEEgood stuff MohammadAG!02:28
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, you forgot that he has to flush the battery separately :P02:28
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: a secret German weapon of WW-II02:29
MohammadAGused by the americans02:30
mikki-kuni meant uboot for nokia n900 =p02:30
Jay_BEEnow if someone could create teh uboot compatible nitdroid... but then not sure what I would be gaining with nitdroid02:30
mikki-kunich weiss wat nen verdammtes ubrot ist =p02:30
MohammadAGJay_BEE, umm, that's easy02:30
MohammadAGJay_BEE, pass me the zImage/vmlinuz image, I'll send you a uImage02:30
DocScrutinizerubrot, yummy :-P02:31
* DocScrutinizer prepares a wurstbrot02:31
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Jay_BEEMohammadAG: curious, how would I be able to select said uImage with uboot?02:32
DocScrutinizer~uboot is an alternative bootloader, for diskless devices02:33
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay02:33
MohammadAGJay_BEE, just put it on partition 302:33
mikki-kunso like multiboot?02:33
DocScrutinizermultiboot is a dirty hack flashing a new kernel then rebooting02:33
Jay_BEEhmm partition 3... let me look this up02:33
DocScrutinizerbut yeah, somewhat to the same purpose02:33
mikki-kunohhhh, ok02:34
mikki-kunwill i need it?02:34
DocScrutinizernot if you don't need a multiboot system02:35
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, doesn't flashing it multitple times eventually ruin the flash?02:35
MohammadAGmultiple even02:35
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sure02:35
MohammadAGmikki-kun, so yes, you will need it ^02:35
MohammadAGthere's uboot-pr13 by Stskeeps (which the source of contains binaries, of all people to upload a SOURCE with BINARIES...), and there's uboot-power that I just uploaded, which contains proper sources02:36
mikki-kunso MohammadAG >> Stskeeps ???02:36
mikki-kunthat's a pretty bold statement i guess ^^02:37
MohammadAGpfft, he's not here anymore02:37
mikki-kunhow come?02:37
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MohammadAGapparently, #maemo is retarded02:38
MohammadAGoh crap02:39
MohammadAGcrap crap crap02:39
psycho_oreosbomberman just blew himself up? ;)02:39
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: btw, v46 pk with uboot? fine. I heard there's that new thing called h-e-n, needs pk. Now - with uboot - I might give this a try finally :-D02:39
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, don't install it!02:40
Jay_BEEpk = kernel power02:40
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: i guess he forgot the "remote control mode" ;)02:41
MohammadAGhere's my changelog entry   * Crap, wrong EXTRAVERSION = bootloops (!!!)02:41
mikki-kunx) cool02:42
mikki-kunthat's an awesome extra :D02:42
mikki-kunwe need that for ipods!02:42
MohammadAGApparently, makefiles don't follow the same syntax as shell files, so 46 was actually substituted as KP_VERSION02:42
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MohammadAGsometimes, having extras import every 30 minutes is useful02:42
MohammadAGI can erase my mistakes, I think :P02:43
lcuksometimes testing is required before :P02:43
MohammadAGlcuk, at least meego works :302:43
comawhiteanyone know a place where I can get the N900 really cheap?02:43
lcukespecially for booty things02:43
MohammadAGI didn't test maemo before uploading it02:43
MohammadAGisn't it already cheap?02:43
MohammadAGit's like 350 bucks in jordan, should be cheaper in the US/EU I suppose02:44
DocScrutinizercomawhite: locateIP some overclocker, and wait at his door a few weeks02:44
MohammadAGmeh, fail /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: mkimage: command not found02:44
lcukpizzahut pizza tastes really really good.02:44
DocScrutinizerlcuk: watching demolition man?02:45
lcukDocScrutinizer, nope02:45
DangerMauslike $350 on amazon02:46
MohammadAGthe inner me is awesome02:46
lcukeating pizza, drinking guinness and trying to find a way to write qt class tree without needing to write out both header/code individually02:46
MohammadAGit forgot uboot-mkimage as a build dependency, it knows I was going to brick devices02:46
lcuklooking for a way to take c++ header file and generate skeleton actual code implementation to fill up later02:46
mikki-kunDangerMaus: amazon is dumb02:47
DocScrutinizerlcuk: there's macrogenerators for that, no?02:47
lcukDocScrutinizer, where?02:47
MohammadAGmikki-kun, I got mine from amazon02:47
DocScrutinizerlcuk: errr, cpp is one of them02:47
lcukDocScrutinizer, I want to write general class tree02:47
lcukabout 15 classes02:47
* Arkenoi doubts overclocking is that bad, it is available for year or so and no faulty devices yet02:48
mikki-kunthey removed stuff from wikileaks which the us-governement labeled as terrorists (which i can't really follow)02:48
lcukand then press a button and have it make the actual basic implementation for them but I cant find a way02:48
* lcuk still used to for oop :O02:48
DocScrutinizerlcuk: see my random babble about COBOL this morning. I had my own tool for that02:48
lcukDocScrutinizer, I had mine too02:48
lcukit was called visual basic02:48
MohammadAGnow that the fix is uploaded, let's actually test t02:49
lcuki have generators that can make it02:49
lcukbut I am trying to wein myself off them02:49
DangerMausmikki-kun, heh they labled a few teens here that toiletpapered trees last halloween as terrorists02:49
lcukheaderless object definitions02:49
lcukimprove quality of life02:49
DangerMausgo figure02:49
lcuki might use python actually02:49
lcuki saw a py to c++ thingy somewhere02:50
MohammadAGskinhead or something02:50
lcukbut its not qt based so wouldnt add the introspection stuff02:50
lcukshedskin :P02:50
mikki-kunDangerMaus: lol?!02:50
MohammadAGskin's in both, does it matter?02:50
DocScrutinizerheadskin, skinhead, who cares?02:51
MohammadAGwho wants hardpore corn?02:51
lcukno go fix your bootlooper02:51
MohammadAGI did, you know why?02:52
MohammadAGcause the bugtracker's my effing email address :P02:52
DocScrutinizerso GIVE ME THIS HEN NOW!! you no help at all!!1!!02:53
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DocScrutinizerI NEED test my mugwarmer, and I NEEED HEN and OVERDRIVE to 1g02:54
Jay_BEEi hate not having linux.02:55
DocScrutinizerPLZ ANYBODY HLP PLZ!!02:55
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DocScrutinizerdamn I need to practice more to get this leetspeak02:56
MohammadAGlocal version boot looops02:56
MohammadAGrepo one shouldn't02:57
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DocScrutinizerFLUSH IT BRO FLUSH!02:57
MohammadAGI can't make it suffer like this! *cries* *compiles*02:57
MohammadAGoh, good idea02:57
* MohammadAG takes out battery, flushes device02:57
Jay_BEEhi MohammadAG, so my thinking is that I want 2 partitions on my sd card, one with meego, the other (partition3?) with nitroid and uboot will be able to boot either?02:57
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MohammadAGnot sure about that, as of now, I've only seen it booting one OS at a time02:59
MohammadAGyou need two cards for that02:59
MohammadAGthree partitions on each02:59
DocScrutinizerJay_BEE: that's the idea of uboot. You need to edit the bootmenu02:59
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, should know more03:00
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Jay_BEEbootmenu? i'm trying to steer clear of that. my desire is to use uboot to boot between maemo, meego and nitdroid03:01
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DocScrutinizerJay_BEE: don't ask me how to edit N900 flavour uboot bootmenu. I know how that works on Openmoko Freerunner uBoot03:01
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it's pretty stock-ish to me03:02
MohammadAGexcept for the noloboot line to override uboot03:02
DocScrutinizer"Nokia" uBoot is somewhat... err... a subset of the full uBoot03:02
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MohammadAGactually, I just pulled it from the git page of uBoot :P03:02
Jay_BEEuboot bootmenu.... never heard of it.03:02
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Jay_BEEthe mud thickens.03:03
* MohammadAG shrugs03:03
DocScrutinizeron a 'usual' uboot you'd enter to uboot cmdline console, via USB ttyACM, and then edit some env vars and save them03:03
MohammadAGunterseeboot = undersea boat = submarine? I like german now lol03:04
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e-yesdas ist fantastisch03:04
DocScrutinizeron N900, thanks to somebody getting lazy, you can't do that, as the N900 uboot doesn't know (yet) how to deal with watchdogs03:05
e-yeshi all03:05
MohammadAGprivet e-yes :)03:05
e-yespreved medved=)03:06
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Jay_BEEall of this for nitdroid... bah... hopefully nokia will get it right with Qt and allow us to truly write once and build to other platforms, including android and iOs, and they can go away03:06
DocScrutinizer...and also N900 uboot hasn't even learned how to save anything, as there's no env partition on N900 NAND, and uboot doesn't know how to play nice with CAL partition03:06
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e-yesbut does any one know about cal? (except for nokia devs)03:08
DocScrutinizerhmm, somewhat03:08
DangerMausnouse not playingfair03:09
DangerMaussorry mousr and window fosus not playing fair03:09
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it reads some boot.scr file from the mmc03:09
e-yesbetter way: use second stage menu and write boot.scr for u-boot03:09
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: \o/03:10
MohammadAGali1234 isn't here, but he's on #meego03:10
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MohammadAG oh nice03:12
MohammadAG[2010-12-12 03:12:25] uboot-power 0.2-1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository03:13
povbotBug 4874: Publically document CAL config entries in /dev/mtd1 config area03:16
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DocScrutinizer""some config settings (at least internal flash partition layout = where kernel, initfs, rootfs begins) are parsed also by NOLO loader""!!!
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DocScrutinizer"" in theory corrupting it [CAL] can make NOLO crash or hang => cold flashing needed""03:18
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DocScrutinizeron N900 - thanks to jacekowski master of the RE hacking - we know we can coldflash any time. So I strongly suggest to investigate that path again03:19
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e-yescould any one check is it (libcal) opened now? (my sdk is far away from me)03:20
MohammadAGit won't be open on the maemo repos03:20
MohammadAGI assure you03:20
DocScrutinizerafaik it's not. But that's just an unqualified notion03:21
MohammadAGE: Unable to find a source package for libcal03:21
DocScrutinizersurprise surprise03:21
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DocScrutinizeranyway the description of CAL raw content by fanoush quite recalls me about uBoot env that seems to work absolutely identical03:23
DocScrutinizerat leat for all I can recall off top of my head, after 3 years from hearing about it last time03:23
Termana"guys, ive just found out that the proxy server is somewhat "down" at the moment, that explains why it didnt work for you"03:24
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DocScrutinizer~stab Termana03:24
* infobot runs at Termana with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.03:24
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TermanaStab me? for what? Trying to stop the depressing discussion of closed bits on the N900? :p03:25
DocScrutinizerat least*03:25
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DocScrutinizerTermana: yes, exactly therefor03:25
DocScrutinizerif this discussion is depressing to you, I suggest you /leave03:26
DocScrutinizeror put on your sunglasses03:26
* Termana puts on his sunglasses03:26
DocScrutinizerB E T T E R?03:26
MohammadAGLOL Termana03:27
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TermanaMohammadAG, :P03:28
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DocScrutinizer~lart-tmo-lemming is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer03:35
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: ^^^ you'll love that :-D03:36
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comawhiteoo found another n900 for $25003:37
DocScrutinizerthanks to OC idiots extraordinaires I'll never buy a used N90003:38
TermanaDocScrutinizer: lol @ video03:38
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, lol that's sorta random... and weird03:38
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DocScrutinizercourtesy fanoush03:39
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, The following NEW packages will be installed:03:41
MohammadAG  kernel-power-modules uboot-power03:41
MohammadAGit's in devel03:41
* MohammadAG tests03:41
MohammadAGdevice boots up, and for the first time in 5 months, I got ACT_DEAD back :D03:44
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I warn you ;-D I got a weird system here, neither 1.2 nor 1.3, and the silos are in standby...03:44
MohammadAGcharging while off03:45
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: so do you *really* want me to test it?03:45
MohammadAGI always have to keep it on to charge03:46
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, device booted up fine03:46
mikki-kunlol :D03:46
* MohammadAG sighs at lost time and date03:46
MohammadAGfucking battery03:46
DocScrutinizeryeah, yesterday on my NEW device a mere 15s were enough to pop up the requester, though all was still correctly set03:47
MohammadAGthat's a SIM getting moved issue03:48
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MohammadAGlike the contacts separated or something03:48
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: so how am I going to do this magic flashing voodoo?03:48
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, to avoid confusion, install kernel-power normally (apt-get install kernel-power-flasher), then install uboot-power03:49
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (SIM) hardly, as the SIM been ok prior to and after battery removal03:49
MohammadAGthat should work 100%03:49
DocScrutinizerwhat's about rootfs?03:49
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DocScrutinizerwould you recommend I should update that 1.1.1 / ?03:49
MohammadAGof meego?03:49
MohammadAGyou don't have to I suppose03:50
DocScrutinizermaybe I'd like to03:50
MohammadAG(and wtf??? 1.1.1???)03:50
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DocScrutinizeryeah, my devel device has 1.1.1 rootfs plus 1.2.72 hostmode-moh-special kernel03:50
DocScrutinizerI feel like nuking it03:51
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MohammadAGI thought that used the "old" API03:51
DocScrutinizerit's really old03:52
MohammadAGand please, acll it moh-en03:52
DocScrutinizerI will see if I can brick it by simply doing a apt-get... :-P03:53
MohammadAGmy microSD can't be detected anymore :S03:53
DocScrutinizereven more fun to do a fullflash if I don't *have to* but just _want_ to03:53
DocScrutinizererr, maybe not yet03:53
MohammadAGdriver's fine03:54
MohammadAGcleaned the contacts and it works now03:54
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you found an exploit for that "eating sandisk-uSDs" bug?03:54
npmMohammadAG: can i ask a meego devel question (related to missing maemo mad-developer)03:54
npma new qt creator updated yesterday03:55
MohammadAGnpm, I don't have a proper meego SDK, and I'm not installing a full OBS for it03:55
MohammadAGso I have no idea about SDK issues03:55
npmand now when i try to deploy to n900/meego it says "remote process failed" and something about missign install of mad-developer03:55
MohammadAG#meego isn't of much help either03:55
MohammadAGapt-get install madde03:56
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* DocScrutinizer frowns03:56
DocScrutinizer\o/ powerbutton worked in first try03:58
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MohammadAGwith uboot?03:58
DocScrutinizerwith 1.2.73 moh-en and 1.1.1 rootfs03:58
BCMMhas anyone packaged a kernel that supports both hostmode and fcam, or do i need to compile it myself?03:59
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DocScrutinizerwhat's the name of that friggin initial-locale&date&time-settings program? Is it FOSS?03:59
MohammadAGof course it's FOSS - NOT04:00
DocScrutinizerthe time setting widget is AWESOME04:00
MohammadAGit's a custom widget04:00
MohammadAGdoesn't even use hildon's libs I think04:00
MohammadAGscrolling looks much better in it04:00
DocScrutinizeryou bet it doesn't04:00
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DocScrutinizertime is awesome, date is even worse than hildon04:01
DocScrutinizerlook and feel like tose ancient slotmachines04:01
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MohammadAGthe way the dialogs open is just wonderful04:03
DocScrutinizerI *want* to run that lil fancy at arbitrary times! maybe even rip out the time setting widget04:04
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DocScrutinizerso what's the binary's name?04:04
lcukMohammadAG, ocs04:05
lcukthe localised version04:05
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, no idea04:05
lcukdownloads components as required for what you asked it to do04:05
lcukso if you ask it to build qt for arm and x86 it will do exactly that by getting everything required.04:06
lcukand yes that may be a large thing, obviously it has access to binary dependencies also04:06
lcukit takes reading up about04:06
lcukbut it is what you need to handle it realistically for full cross platform meego work.04:07
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DocScrutinizerwtf catalogs I got on my devel dev?04:10
DocScrutinizerHP calculator for Nokia Internet Tablets  -- :-D04:11
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's same as in iphone iirc04:14
jacekowskithat slot machine style widget04:14
MohammadAGjacekowski, it's better on the iPhone04:14
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, t-tan's from Germany04:15
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: "u-boot for kernel power v46" says it comes with kernel-pwer46. So you think I first need to install kernel power, then again with uboot?04:17
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, you only need kernel-power-modules which should be pulled in before installation04:17
DocScrutinizeryeah, so all that should happen on installing uboot-v46, no?04:18
MohammadAGyes, _should_04:18
DocScrutinizerhahaha, free storage insufficient :-P04:19
* MohammadAG moved his /var/lib/dpkg to /opt04:19
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DocScrutinizerrootfs                  227.9M    224.0M         0 100% /04:20
MohammadAGapt-get clean?04:20
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DocScrutinizerfirst a "backup" (cp /<randomstuff> sftp:mylaptop/D/t900-rootfs-backup)04:28
DocScrutinizerhell, 21k files04:29
comawhitehow much does it cost to use the gps on the n90004:29
mikki-kunshould be free04:29
MohammadAGheh, first problems with DSP because of overclocking
mikki-kunas long as you don't download map-material via 3g04:29
comawhitecan i use the gps without service provider?04:29
mikki-kunyou should be able to04:30
mikki-kunanybody seeing i am telling BS, correct me04:30
DocScrutinizer/bin/dd: error: can't read file04:30
MohammadAGmikki-kun, you're forgetting fullstops at the end of each sentence you say.04:30
comawhiteMikaT, thank you04:31
comawhiteoops i meant mikki-kun04:31
mikki-kuni was talking about BS not correct punctuation =p04:31
mikki-kun^^ tabbing is evil x)04:31
MohammadAGsee? you did it again04:31
mikki-kuni ended it with a smily ;)04:31
DocScrutinizeroh =p is a smiley?04:32
* DocScrutinizer glares at N90004:33
MohammadAGyeah, like =)04:33
mikki-kunyeah the :p04:33
mikki-kuni jst don't like the :p one, so i make the =p one :)04:33
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DocScrutinizer"holding a chopstick between upper lip and nose"?04:34
mikki-kunMohammadAG: how can you tell that is an issue of overclocking?04:34
MohammadAGmikki-kun, you'll see04:35
MohammadAGso cold and windy :/04:35
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MohammadAGdoor closed on its own, and i forgot to fix it04:36
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* DocScrutinizer curses the ignorance of Nokia, to miss adding a *decent* *full* disk-imaging tool04:39
* DocScrutinizer installs backup-menu04:39
comawhiteokay i just bought my n900 for $25004:40
mikki-kuncongrats :)04:42
TermanaWelcome to the dark side. We have cookies04:43
comawhitei got 2 free extra batteries with the phone also04:44
comawhiteand a case xD04:44
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MohammadAGanyone tried sleeping with in ear headphones on?04:49
MohammadAGtoo windy = too noisy outside04:50
comawhitei was looking at the phone features, i don't see ogg on it04:52
MohammadAGcodec can be installed04:53
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mikki-kunMohammadAG: i guess i shouldn't try sleeping with my 50mm drivers x)04:59
mikki-kunbut in case things are too loud use ear plugs04:59
mikki-kunor get more tired04:59
mikki-kunso you will eventually sleep04:59
* MohammadAG starts fapman05:00
mikki-kungood idea :)05:00
mikki-kun*starting as well*05:00
mikki-kuni wonder how my speed will increase when i go 50k dsl x)05:01
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: hands on the blanket!05:06
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DocScrutinizerI wonder how to operate backup-menu. There's no URL in HAM "description", no icon, no nuttin the common luser may get a clue what to do05:08
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DocScrutinizernow honestly, how am I supposed to learn about backup-menu? Google for it?05:15
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DocScrutinizer[1][property]=title&org_openpsa_products_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[1][value]=backup&org_openpsa_products_search[2][property]=os&org_openpsa_products_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[2][value]=Maemo5&fetch=Search  is futile05:16
mikki-kunwhat time is it for you MohammadAG ?05:16
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DocScrutinizerprolly 5:17AM at his TZ05:17
mikki-kunwhoah, just +1 from me05:21
mikki-kuni am gmt+105:21
mikki-kun+1 one for dst05:21
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DocScrutinizererr, where's that? new zealand?05:50
derfThat's about 12 hours off from New Zealand.05:52
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: MohammadAG !! MohammadAG , h-e-n wants to install enhanced linux kernel for power users (2.6.28-maemo46)!06:15
DocScrutinizerand that while I installed uboot-v46 a minute ago06:16
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DocScrutinizerunlike with uboot-v46, h-e-n GUI installation via HAM pops up those warning dialogs. Disagreeing about installation of pk results in "installation of h-e-n not possible"06:28
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: please check the dependencies of h-e-n, as well as provides of uboot-v4606:28
DocScrutinizerI guess for now I have to install h-e-n with standard pk, then reinstall uboot-pk06:29
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DocScrutinizert900:~# ls -l /opt/h-e-n/mount.sh06:49
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2087 Nov 22 22:09 /opt/h-e-n/mount.sh06:49
DocScrutinizer+x missing06:49
DocScrutinizerbme (stop) waiting06:49
DocScrutinizersh: /opt/h-e-n/ Permission denied06:49
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: i guess he might be sleeping ;)06:50
DocScrutinizerdoesn't matter, he'll see it in a few hours, and others might be interested as well06:50
mikki-kuni see your point :)06:51
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mikki-kuni will go sleeping now, see you all later06:58
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mikki-kunthanks, dir auch x)07:02
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DocScrutinizerDec 12 09:02:02 t900 hulda[1238]: kdbus_sock_cb:204: unknown GIOCondition 9 for FD 710:12
DocScrutinizer Dec 12 09:02:33 t900 last message repeated 116783 times10:12
DocScrutinizer Dec 12 09:01:05 t900 last message repeated 231701 times10:12
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RST38hA formal proposal to the United States government to introduce an eighth day to the week. This day would be employed in spiritual contemplation and the worship of pagan divinities the document calls "under-represented".10:22
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ds3wheeeeee hostmode works10:28
araujohello everyone10:28
araujoany nice game would you recommend for maemo?10:29
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psycho_oreosthere's plenty of nice games for maemo10:32
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DocScrutinizerds3: sure, what else?10:47
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DocScrutinizerdefinitely time for breakfast, cya10:48
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Gh0styhmm DocScrutinizer is european? :o10:50
Gh0styI was thinking you were american or something :)10:50
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DocScrutinizerbecause of my texas slang or what?10:59
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Gh0styno because of you always being online :p10:59
Gh0styin the middle of the night ... early in the morning (at least for me)11:00
Gh0styand since i'm at central european time ...11:00
Gh0styI was assuming you were from the US :)11:00
Gh0stywhere are you from actually? I see you have a server at france but thats probably not your origin based on the name :p11:01
DocScrutinizerwhat the heck, sever in france?11:02
Gh0styoh my bad11:03
DocScrutinizerplease elaborate11:03
Gh0styyou are on the french irc server ;011:03
Gh0styyou whois information ... :p11:03
Gh0stynever mind that11:03
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Gh0stynow what? :p11:04
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Gh0styDocScrutinizer: don't like french servers? :p11:08
Gh0styand now I think I know where you are from11:09
DocScrutinizerand I start to hate konversation, as it doesn't regard the sorting of server priorities I configured11:09
Gh0styeastern germany or further east ... poland ?11:09
DocScrutinizernot exactly11:10
Gh0styrussia then? :p11:10
DocScrutinizermore like southewrn11:10
* Gh0sty opens a map 11:10
DocScrutinizermay I tell you it's too cold here?11:11
DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN11:11
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.12.12 0850 UTC; Dew Point: 32 F (0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.85 in. Hg (1011 hPa); Relative Humidity: 86%; Sky conditions: partly cloudy; Temperature: 35 F (2 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the W (280 degrees) at 15 MPH (13 KT); Windchill: 24 F (-4 C)11:11
Gh0stynuernberg ? :)11:11
Gh0stycloser then I expected :P11:12
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Gh0stywith us its just above the freezing point now since a couple of days ... 4 degrees C11:16
Gh0styDocScrutinizer: you come to fosdem? (now you know where i'm from ;) )11:17
DocScrutinizerdon't think so11:18
DocScrutinizerhell, <400 users11:20
Gh0stywhere < 400 users?11:24
DocScrutinizerin better times there've been >50011:25
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Gh0styah the channel11:27
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Gh0styDocScrutinizer: extra incentive ... if you come to fosdem I pay you a beer :P11:27
DocScrutinizerok, I'll rethink11:27
Gh0styits been a while ... I've been to froscon last year11:28
Gh0stystill would like to come to CCC but someones gotta keep the site running between christmas and ny and that one would be me :(11:28
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DocScrutinizerhmm, same here - well somewhat11:29
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Gh0stybut fosdem is a one I never miss :)11:29
Gh0stywell also cause I work a couple of km distance and I've become part of the crew11:29
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RST38hNorthrop Grumman's 100 kilowatt laser fired for six hours straight11:35
DocScrutinizercould somebody build a powertop for PK?11:37
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comawhiteI have a strange question, is there a way to use a different keyboard layout on the phone like say German layout on a US phone or US international?11:39
DocScrutinizerwhy not?11:39
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comawhiteDocScrutinizer: I was just wondering, wasn't sure it was possible on a phone11:41
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DocScrutinizeralas, because of an obscure bug, the on the fly switching between primary and alternative kbd layout only works for Russian kbds .oO(???)11:45
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DocScrutinizernot that I really miss that feature11:45
comawhitei rarely would care about switching since I use only one specific layout anyways11:50
comawhitei wonder if I could buy keys to match the keyboard layout11:52
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DocScrutinizera localized keymat?11:58
DocScrutinizerask Doc! :-D11:59
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Gh0styhmmm thinking to buy a new battery cover12:02
Gh0stymy kickstand magnet came loose12:02
Gh0styI glued it again12:02
Gh0stybut still the kickstand feels more loose then before ...12:02
Gh0stywonder how much forst it can take actually? I read on the forums that some people managed to break it off ...12:03
comawhiteDocScrutinizer: I looked at US, UK, German, French n900's all seem to be the same12:03
infobotGh0sty meant: wonder how much force it can take actually? I read on the forums that some people managed to break it off ...12:03
DocScrutinizercomawhite: definitely not. I swapped my annoying WERTZU kbd keymat for a US one, with FOUR nice cursor arrow keys, rather than 2 on the german kbd12:05
comawhiteDocScrutinizer: looks identical to the US one (
comawhiteQWERTZ :P12:06
Gh0styoh there is that much difference in keyboards?12:06
Gh0styI just bought it from the UK, did not know they had localized versions :P12:07
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comawhiteDocScrutinizer: well I mean, you don't see the umlauts on the German keyboard.12:07
DocScrutinizerI mean *12:07
DocScrutinizerI* see them12:07
DocScrutinizerI dunno why *YOU* don't12:07
* comawhite shrugs12:08
DocScrutinizer what's the problem to see those ÖÄÜ on the right side of that picture?12:08
comawhiteWell shouldn't be hard to input umlauts on the us keyboard as long as it's not the alt+shift+'+u like crap12:09
* DocScrutinizer shrugs even more12:09
comawhiteI'm tired12:09
comawhiteI'm bugging the hell out the person selling me his n90012:10
comawhiteasking him to upgrade the firmware, reset it to factory, take pictures (got a few pixelated pics) asking to take closer ones of the phone12:10
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* comawhite wants his phone nao12:12
* comawhite cries12:12
comawhitei hate buying stuff off the net12:12
comawhitetakes a bloody long time12:12
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DocScrutinizer  :-P12:17
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comawhiteI hope the next phone that replaces the N900 has a full screen on the front12:23
* DocScrutinizer shakes head and frowns about OCers wondering why their device goes bonkers12:23
comawhitewhat's the point of OCing a phone12:23
comawhitejust kills the battery12:24
comawhitejust my opinion12:24
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psycho_oreossome people have the need for speed12:25
comawhitei never notice the speed so yeah12:25
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comawhitethough I will have a backup battery just in case anyways12:26
psycho_oreosI guess overclocking is a bit like pressing that NOS button on your car12:26
psycho_oreosenjoy the speed, suffer the consequence of blown up engine12:27
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comawhitehow you pronounce maemo12:30
psycho_oreosI pronounce it as `may-moe'12:31
comawhiteyeah that's how i do it12:31
jaskai pronounce it like a finn would if it was a native word12:31
comawhitebut wasn't sure12:31
comawhitemow moo?12:31
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comawhitewow you can play mp3's through the fm transmitor to the car radio?12:33
comawhitethat'd be nice since my mum doesn't have a cd player12:33
comawhitein her car when I have to drive across town blaring music ;P12:34
comawhitewhen I get my phone i'll have to get someone to help me do that12:34
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psycho_oreosif yer mum's car have tape player you can still get an age old tape to 3mm stereo jack adapter so that you can plug yer music player in and play music through there12:35
comawhiteshe does but no store sells those things anymore12:35
comawhiteno local store12:36
psycho_oreosebay might lol12:36
comawhitewell amazon does too, but that'd require more waiting12:36
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comawhitepsycho_oreos: have you tried getting meego on the n900?12:37
psycho_oreoscomawhite, no, not yet12:37
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psycho_oreosif you're looking for meego support, there is #meego :p12:38
comawhiteno I'm not12:40
comawhitejust curious12:40
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lolloouboot-power from MAG is it in repo?12:43
comawhiteblah I wish my German was better to understand this you tube video12:43
lolloodo I just install it over my powerkernel46?12:44
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crashanddiecomawhite: what video?12:46
comawhiteit has subtitles but they are really slow12:46
comawhitei can understand some but not all12:46
lolloook pray for me, I have installed uboot-power12:47
lolloorebooting phone.12:47
comawhitewhats that do?12:47
lollooboots maemo and meego12:47
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comawhitescreenies of meego on the phone?12:48
* RST38bis prays: May the Tentacled One have his soul and feast on whatever brains he has left12:48
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crashanddiecomawhite: he's just explaining that it supports layouts for left handed and right handed users, portrait mode which doesn't impact other applications, all the regular GPS features (address, POI, GPS locations [for geocaching], etc).12:49
psycho_oreosyou meant Danke12:50
comawhiteit's both12:50
comawhitedifferent meanings to be exact12:50
comawhitebut similar12:50
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, hmm12:51
comawhiteDank = thanks, Danke = thank you, Danke schön = thank you very much12:51
crashanddieI have to admit, Sygic looks really fast12:51
comawhiteis Sygic the one preinstalled/12:52
comawhiteI wonder how much it will costs12:52
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crashanddie60 euros12:53
comawhite€19.99 for US12:53
comawhiteI'll have a look at Marble12:54
comawhiteand see how it's gps works12:54
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comawhitewtf the WP7 gets all us canada and mexico in one pack while maemo gets them invidivdually :(12:55
comawhitesame with europe, etc12:55
BCMMdo we have a VNC client that supports reverse vnc?12:56
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, permissions are always set in postinst12:58
MohammadAGI always do this through some weird script lines (either manually for each file or with a find $dir -name "*.sh")12:58
DocScrutinizer51I said that in "bottomline:"12:59
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DocScrutinizer51but the dependency sucks12:59
MohammadAGi should add provides: kernel-usbhost or whatever to the package13:00
MohammadAGbut the modules install the kernel, thanks to t-tan's weird depends line13:00
MohammadAGa kernel depends on modules, not vice versa :/13:00
DocScrutinizer51I'm not quite sure if h-e-n should have any dependency to a particular kernel version or feature. We got the runtime API version check for that13:01
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comawhiteangry birds is free? and what's so great about that game?13:09
MohammadAGyou'll never know till you try it13:11
MohammadAGand afaik, it's only free on maemo (other platforms have 6 levels free)13:11
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crashanddieMohammadAG: actually, no, the modules depend on the kernel being present13:14
crashanddieMohammadAG: because you can't use the modules unless the proper kernel is installed13:15
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, but you can have the modules without the kernel13:15
crashanddiewouldn't they be useless?13:15
MohammadAGnot if another package wants them13:15
MohammadAGright now, on uboot-power installation, I'm guessed two kernels are flashed13:16
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MohammadAGguessing* meh, just woke up13:19
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lolloooops had problems after installing uboot-power from MAG13:23
lolloocouldn't boot back to maemo after booting to meego13:23
lollooI had to reflash fiasco again.13:23
lolloois it because I have multiboot installed?13:24
MohammadAGyou flashed the whole fiasco image?13:24
lolloono just kernel13:24
lollooI couldn't return back to maemo13:24
MohammadAGI don't use multiboot anymore13:24
lolloowhen I type run noloboot it shuts my phone.13:24
MohammadAGand why do you need 3 bootloaders at once?13:24
MohammadAGdid you pull in dependencies?13:25
lolloomake my phone fancier i guess13:25
MohammadAGI see you installed it with dpkg13:25
lolloodpkg -i13:25
MohammadAGthat doesn't pull dependencies13:25
RST38hAh, just /ignore...13:25
MohammadAGyou probably have missing modules13:25
lolloowhat's the right precedure?13:26
MohammadAGuse apt13:26
MohammadAGapt-get -f install should fix all dep issues13:26
lollooapt-get -f uboot-power13:26
MohammadAGno, apt-get -f install13:26
lollooapt-get -f  install uboot-power13:27
MohammadAG"apt-get -f install"(!)13:27
lolloohehe what?13:27
MohammadAGdon't add/remove crap, just type it in like that13:27
lolloohehe ok friend.13:27
lolloolet me see now..13:28
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lolloook restarting...13:30
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MohammadAGI wonder if he reflashed the kernel that he... well, reflashed13:31
RST38hDoes it matter?13:31
RST38hHe does not understand what he is doing and has messed things up.13:31
MohammadAGRST38h, HAM should've included a warning upon adding devel13:32
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MohammadAGit wouldn't annoy us, since we wouldn't be using HAM13:32
MohammadAGalso, I have a suggestion, can we decide when an app is safe and when it isn't? The whole test + vote thingy is retarded13:33
RST38hMohammad: Or just remove warnings from all household items and wait for Darwin to harvest his own13:33
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RST38hMohammad: You can make a suggestion. Nobody will listen.13:33
MohammadAGchances are when something is accepted to extras, I need to push a new one13:33
RST38hMohammad: Basically, no matter how many warnings you add, there will be people flashing custom kernels and installing broken scripts made by similarly talented people13:35
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RST38hMohammad: And with so much useful software remaining in -devel for ages, you cannot honestly recommend everyone to "never use -devel"13:36
MohammadAGRST38h, and why is useful software remaining in devel? Cause the policy is retarded13:36
MohammadAGCan it be changed?13:37
RST38hBut any suggestions to change the policy were ignored, for the last year or so13:37
MohammadAGwas it always this way before?13:37
MohammadAGalways like*13:37
MohammadAGN8x0 times that is13:37
RST38hNo, things got this way with Maemo513:37
RST38hMaemo4 had way saner policies13:38
MohammadAGhow did it work on Diablo?13:38
RST38hYou upload it to -devel, wait a bit, then promote it toproper extras, by yourself, no testing required13:38
alteregoOr voters ..13:38
alteregoThose days were awesome13:39
MohammadAGand how exactly were the voters picked?13:39
MohammadAGfrozen-bubble depends on perl, and it was voted down because of that13:39
alteregoYes, very dumb13:39
* alterego is hung over.13:40
RST38hMohammad: Maemo4 required no voters13:40
RST38hMohammad: In Maemo5, every maemo.orgmember can vote, but very few care, if you check the voting records13:40
MohammadAGRST38h, I know13:41
nidOand those that do care enough to follow policy in voting mostly get bitched at mercilessly13:41
nidOwhich results in even less caring13:41
RST38hMohammad: Because your average user is a "gimme" type, who does not care about voting or anything else other than instantgratification13:41
RST38hMohammad: Unfortunately, these nice Maemo Devices engineers who came up with the current policies, appear to know next to nothing about the social aspect13:41
MohammadAGand all this was done to enable extras by default?13:42
RST38hAnd they do not listen to outside people either.Or, rather, listen, but do not hear13:42
alteregoI just make sure I think it adheres, get a person or two from here that usually do the same, then i get a load of people that don't care and probably have never tested the app to vote it up.13:42
RST38hMohammad: Yes,so it was said13:42
RST38halterego: Same here13:42
MohammadAGand that resulted in people enabling devel13:43
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RST38halterego: Lacking chances to get app tested for real,you end up raising support among your buddies or well-natured acquaintances13:43
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lolloooops didn't work MohammadAG.13:43
RST38hMohammad: Believe it or not (check the logs) I have been saying this for months now13:43
MohammadAG* lolloo has quit (Remote host closed the connection)13:43
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> I wonder if he reflashed the kernel that he... well, reflashed13:43
RST38hMohammad: Everyone agrees (including nokians) but nobody acts13:44
MohammadAGapt-get --reinstall install uboot-power13:44
alteregoYeah, I wouldn't ask people to test unless I thought it was mostly ready tbh13:44
MohammadAGI haven't pushed brickers to devel13:44
alteregoWe're not that irresponsible here ;)13:44
lolloook getting on to it.13:44
MohammadAGand the one I pushed failed to build13:44
lolloooops, it says it cannot be downloaded!13:46
MohammadAGupdate your repos13:46
lolloooh stupid me!13:47
lolloois there a console command for it?13:48
lollooor i just go to appmanager13:48
crashanddieapt-get update13:48
lollooawesome ok.13:48
MohammadAGmay I ask why you used dpkg in the first place?13:49
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lolloohehe just got used to it.13:49
lollooI see it alot.13:49
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CaCO3did anybody ever play around with Qts gwebview?13:50
MohammadAGCaCO3, QWebView, yes13:50
lolloooh oh done all steps! pray for me! brb.13:51
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CaCO3I made a mini browser, but it does not show the scroll bars in maemo13:51
CaCO3but it does on my pc13:51
CaCO3do you know how to show the scrolbar like in the microB?13:51
alteregowe don't really have scrollbars in maemo13:55
CaCO3so do I have to implement them myself?13:55
alteregoWe have scroll indicators.13:55
CaCO3but why are they shown and workingwhen irun it on my pc?13:55
alteregoNot sure if they're available, but the implementation is straight forward.13:56
RST38hMaemo GTK+ is not the same as desktop GTK+13:56
CaCO3yup, i know13:56
CaCO3thats what I want :)13:56
crashanddieRST38h: Qt13:56
MohammadAGCaCO3, have a look at
MohammadAGbetter than starting from scratch13:56
RST38hMaemo Qt is not the same as desktop Qt13:56
MohammadAGthere's a bug in QWebView13:57
MohammadAGinstead of scrolling, it selects text13:57
CaCO3I already implemented the selection supressor, that works13:57
CaCO3its all fine, except it misses the scroll indicators13:57
MohammadAGmaemo doesn't need/have them13:58
MohammadAGstart your app with -style cleanlooks13:58
CaCO3n900, PC  or scratchbox?13:58
crashanddieCaCO3: lol, on your blackberry of cours13:58
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CaCO3haha :) You know that python runs everywhere where is an interprerer???13:59
MohammadAGusually, in $PATH13:59
CaCO3it also will run on an iphone, i am just waiting until you pay the 100$ and implement an python interpreter...13:59
crashanddieyou won't see python on iOS14:00
CaCO3I know, thats why i have a maemo :)14:00
MohammadAGdoes Mac OSX have Python?14:00
lolloouboot-power didn't let me boot back to multiboot. it just turns off the phone after I type run noloboot. sorry for the trouble.14:01
CaCO3no klue, but you can install almost every linux tool, as it has a unix core14:01
MohammadAGwhy do you need multiboot14:01
crashanddieno, it doesn't have a unix core14:01
lollooI have nitdroid on it14:01
crashanddiewell, not iOS, anyway. OSX -- yes.14:01
lollooDropbox uses python.14:02
MohammadAGthen why do you need uboot :/14:02
lollooto boot to meego. hehe14:02
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, didn't it work for you?14:02
lolloois it possbile for you to edit uboot-power to make to compatible with multiboot please?14:03
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, uboot-power14:03
DocScrutinizer51worked great14:03
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DocScrutinizer51haven't you rwead that post:14:03
MohammadAGI have, I just need you to confirm it again - here14:03
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CaCO3MohammadAG: I used "app.setStyle('cleanlooks')" in my code, but the scrollbar indicators are still missing :(14:04
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lollooits awesome for powerkernel46 to have uboot again.14:04
MohammadAGwhat's with people ignoring instructions?14:05
MohammadAGCaCO3, I said run the binary with -style cleanlooks14:05
MohammadAGI didn't include a cryptic message for you to use to setStyle() the app14:05
CaCO3sry, but italso does not work!14:06
crashanddieMohammadAG: chill14:06
MohammadAG-style, not --style14:06
CaCO3it looks different, ok, but still missing scroll indicators14:06
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MohammadAGno idea then, you can implement them externally witth a QScrollBar or whatever it's called14:07
CaCO3hmm, this again makes another look, but no scrol lindicators14:07
CaCO3hmm, ok, thanks. I thought i would have to go this way14:08
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, meh, I should14:10
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Gh0styfor people with dumb chargers:14:18
Gh0styboth work nice with the n90014:18
Gh0stythe charger switch shorts the datalines (needed for dumb chargers like wall or car usb adapters)14:19
Gh0styand there is free shipping till end of the year ...14:19
comawhiteanyone know a good place to buy a car mount and charger together?14:22
lollooI have 4 not upgraded, how do I know whats not upgraded in xterm?14:22
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comawhitebecause I looked on newegg and amazon and just found crap or none14:23
lollooafter typing apt-get upgrade i get "4 not upgraded"14:24
lolloohow do I know whats not upgraded?14:24
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* alterego is not feeling himself todao.14:31
alterego~today ..14:31
alteregoI didn't even drink that much.14:31
alteregoOh, actually, it was probably those 3 shots of sambuca.14:31
lolloosambuca hehe funny14:32
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alteregoThey didn't have any smoked bacon in the shop :(14:33
alteregoSo I'm having an unsmoked bacon sammich14:33
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CaCO3for those who are interested: the scrollbat (indicator) is not an property of the qwebview, but of its child mainFrame. In python you can enable it with:14:34, QtCore.Qt.ScrollBarAlwaysOn)14:34
alteregoGood to know14:35
MohammadAG sigh, needs a gpointer14:38
MohammadAGs/Code\ less/Reinvent\ the\ wheel\ more/14:39
alteregogpointer is just void* btw14:40
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alteregoWhat, what are you doing? plugin_execute or save_state?14:41
MohammadAGosso_cp_plugin_execute(osso_context, "", NULL, TRUE);14:41
alteregoYou can just supply NULL, you don't _need_ to supply data ..14:42
alteregoOh, wait, yeah you do :D14:42
alteregoOh, no you don't.14:42
* MohammadAG gets confused14:43
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alteregoYou don't.14:45
alteregoNeed it,14:45
lolloolast chance.14:45
alterego"Type is a gpointer so that the plugin does not need to depend on GTK (in which case it should ignore the parameter)."14:46
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MohammadAGso osso_cp_plugin_execute(osso_context, "", NULL, TRUE); should work?14:46
* MohammadAG pastes his comment14:46
alterego_should_ ;)14:46
MohammadAG    // This doesn't seem to be working, and in fact, is only causing a segfault.14:47
MohammadAG    osso_cp_plugin_execute(osso_context, "", NULL, TRUE);14:47
alteregoOkay, well, can I see your plugin code?14:47
alteregoBecause that is probably what is segfaulting ..14:47
MohammadAGit's the stock fmtx dialog14:48
alteregoOh right, I understand now.14:48
jacekowskiwhat are you trying to break?14:48
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MohammadAGI'm trying to launch the FMTX dialog from a Qt app14:48
jacekowskishow me your code14:49
alteregoYou could just load it in Qt without osso cp crap14:50
MohammadAGit's only one line ^14:50
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jacekowskiwhat about osso_initialize?14:50
alteregoHave you checked you've got a valid osso context?14:50
MohammadAGyes, it's in the .h file iirc14:50
MohammadAG#ifdef Q_WS_MAEMO_514:50
MohammadAG    osso_context_t *osso_context;14:51
jacekowskiyou have to initialize it14:51
alteregoAnd register with osso14:51
alteregoPersonally, I think I'd just load it manually.14:51
MohammadAGalterego, how?14:52
jacekowskiosso_context = osso_initialize("name","1.2.3",NULL,NULL);14:52
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alteregoMohammadAG: I'll knock you up an example.14:52
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alteregoSaves you having to use osso crap14:52
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MohammadAGjacekowski, ty, that worked, but the dialog is orphaned (w/o a parent)14:55
alteregoQLibrary fmtx(""); (fmtx.resolve("execute_f"))(NULL);14:56
alteregoOr something.14:56
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MohammadAG/home/mohammad/scratchbox/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/nowplayingwindow.cpp:115: error: 'fmtx. QLibrary::resolve(((const char*)"execute_f"))' cannot be used as a function14:57
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alteregoYeah, that's not what I did is it :P14:58
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alteregoAlso, execute_f isn't the cp plugin function name14:58
alteregoYou'll have to look into it.14:59
jacekowskiit's just execute15:01
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MohammadAGthat's what strings shows, yes15:02
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jacekowskii mean execute15:03
jacekowskinot execute_f15:03
alteregoYeah, it was a placeholder :)15:03
MohammadAGerror: 'fmtx. QLibrary::resolve(((const char*)"execute"))' cannot be used as a function15:04
* MohammadAG tries something else15:04
jacekowskiwhat would be better15:05
jacekowskiis single button ON/OFF15:05
jacekowskirather than having to click trough menus to enable it15:05
JaffaAf'noon all15:06
* Jaffa looks forward to getting back to his 'puter in the warmth this afternoon.15:06
MohammadAGjacekowski, or a hold button for on/off15:07
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MohammadAGwhich... isn't emitted by QMenuBar15:08
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alteregoHey Jaffa15:09
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* alterego is now eating pizza15:09
JaffaWe need someone to draw some stylish, freely licensed icons for Omp15:09
Jaffa(Open media player ;-))15:09
alteregoYou mean mohammedia player?15:10
Jaffaalterego: heh15:10
* MohammadAG grumbles15:10
jacekowskilook at KDE Oxygen icons15:10
jacekowskithere is a lot of nice icons there15:11
MohammadAGJaffa, aren't they freely licensed?15:11
jacekowskiin svg15:11
JaffaMohammadAG: which ones?15:11
alteregoYou're free to use them on Maemo15:11
MohammadAGwell, they're used from Maemo15:11
Jaffajacekowski: And do they have equivalents for all the styles? e.g. the large launch buttons15:11
alteregoThough I sure no one would care if you used them under meego either.15:11
JaffaMohammadAG: Using the theme's on Maemo will work, but I doubt they're freely licensed (the Nokia ones) for MeeGo15:12
MohammadAGJaffa, easy, chroot /dev/mtd5, load icons, unmount rootfs :P15:12
JaffaMohammadAG: Heh :)15:13
JaffaMohammadAG: OK, on MeeGo non-N900 ;-)15:13
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MohammadAGJaffa, load them remotely from Nokia's site :P15:14
MohammadAG* Requires internet connection15:14
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alteregoJust do your own :P15:14
MohammadAGalterego, does this look right? QString volumeLevel = QDBusInterface("", "/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer", "", QDBusConnection::sessionBus()).call("get_extension_property", "volume").arguments().first().toInt()15:15
JaffaOne of the Fremantle themes might have some for the main screen15:15
alteregoMohammadAG: looks fine, but I don't know about the dbus paths etc.15:15
jaskahmm, guess 64GB microsdxc(3.0, sdhc compatible) cards dont grow on trees :|15:16
JaffaMohammadAG: I'll catch up with you later, if there's anything you want me to do.15:16
MohammadAGalterego, dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer string:volume works, but the code above returns "volume"15:16
MohammadAGJaffa, I really want to get the SSU working, thinking of launching it as is15:17
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jacekowskiJaffa: it's svg15:30
jacekowskiJaffa: it will scale15:30
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CaCO3What is the essiest way to generate te code for the XB-Maemo-Icon-26? The wiki doesnt really explain that16:13
jacekowskiit does16:14
CaCO3but how?16:14
jacekowskithere is ready command for it16:14
jacekowskijust copy&paste16:14
jacekowskiand replace filenames16:15
CaCO3hmm, then i look on the wrong page:
CaCO3or I am blind :(16:15
jacekowskiyou're looking at wrong page16:16
CaCO3alright, thanks, i will update the wiki16:16
CaCO3ups, i just see that google lead me to the old maemo 4 page :(16:16
MohammadAGalterego, any idea what's causing a segfault here?
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jacekowskiyou should really invest into debugger16:19
jacekowskicompile it with -g16:19
jacekowskiand run it on gdb16:19
jacekowskiit will at least tell you line where there is a problem16:20
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MohammadAGI know, but it's kinda borked for some reason16:20
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MohammadAGweird, it just worked :/16:20
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JaffaMohammadAG: What're the current SSU problems? Did you catch up with m-vo?16:37
MohammadAGJaffa, yes, I think he's busy atm16:38
MohammadAGJaffa, same situation as before16:43
MohammadAGdoes lag increase on sundays?16:44
MohammadAGalterego, do you by any chance know what the button used in GTK dialogs is in Qt?16:45
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JaffaMohammadAG: Lag definitely increases on Sundays.16:53
lardmanafternoon chaps16:54
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JaffaMohammadAG: So, I forget: upgrades don't work after initial install in HAM?16:55
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qhubekelahi all :)17:23
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qhubekelai am using a CDMA modem for Internet on my laptop, and would like to know if the instructions on would work for such a setup. (I do not have N900 yet)17:24
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qhubekelaor if it works via LAN connections only :-/17:26
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DocScrutinizerqhubekela: I guess you need to elaborate what exactly you mean by "such a setup"17:35
DocScrutinizerqhubekela: quite obviously the instructions about N900_USB_networking aren't applicable to a setup consisting of your PC and a CDMA modem17:36
qhubekelaoh.. thank you.17:37
qhubekelaso it must be LAN?17:37
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qhubekelais there another way to access Internet on N900 through USB cable?17:38
DocScrutinizerwhat is it you want to do?17:38
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qhubekelai'm actually a newbie. i would like to use internet on N900, but have no access to wifi and gprs charges are too high17:39
lcukqhubekela, most people do it the other way round: using the n900+its sim as main internet connection and then tethering laptop to it by various means17:40
Neccthen buy a wifi adapter17:40
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DocScrutinizerok, so you want to share your PC's internet connection to your N90017:40
qhubekelaDocScrutinizer, yes, internet connection sharing17:40
Neccbuy a goddamn wifi adapter or use your laptop's wifi17:41
Necci'm striked by the same questions locally over and over again, and i can not belive that buying a wifi adapter is so impossible...17:41
qhubekelai think i shall go for wifi17:42
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lolloobuy Usb wireless17:43
lcukqhubekela, i tether n900 to my laptop using usb and pc suite mode17:43
RST38hpc suite? the horror!17:43
lcukthe n900 is the modem for internet tho17:43
lcukonly the mode RST38h :P17:44
qhubekelai'm still new to linux, but i seem to understand that ppp can be used to share internet connections.17:45
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DocScrutinizerqhubekela: from that networking wiki page: ""the N900 should be able to use the PC internet connection immediately.""17:48
DocScrutinizerof course after doing all the needed setup described there17:49
qhubekelathanks DocScrutinizer. dumb me :-[17:50
DocScrutinizerlcuk: once again the question is how to do it the other way round, tether the PC to N90017:50
qhubekelanow it is all clear :)17:50
DocScrutinizerthe absolute far #1 in FAQ17:51
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DocScrutinizeralso ""To use the Internet connection of your Mac via USB networking make sure to enable System Preferences -> Sharing -> Internet sharing for the N900 interface Howto ""17:55
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RST38hExtras-Devel  borked18:04
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* lardman wonders if he needs a C++ stub in his Python scripting code18:15
lardmancould have sworn I thought I did before I went out to buy xmas tree lights18:15
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alanon_maemois exist opened-sorce software to keep sober?18:39
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Jaffaalanon_maemo: Set an alarm for 5 minutes which says "Don't have another"?18:41
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alanon_maemoJaffa: good one! if only it was so easy18:41
lardmanOne of those home automation systems that locks the fridge when it decides you've had enough beer?18:42
alanon_maemolardman: now were talkin!18:42
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* lcuk passes jaffa a guinness18:43
zogg_Jaffa, MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer lardman - is cron like dbus event system made for maemo5 =)18:43
zogg_ - .deb if someone is interested18:44
DocScrutinizerzogg_: hmm, interesting.18:44
lardmanI'd like optional location notifications too18:45
alanon_maemoanyway forgetting about my alcohol problems, I've been lurking around the maemo forums lately and I've noticed that there are tons of threads about various methods to optimize an n90018:45
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DocScrutinizerlardman: that's disjunct to cron though18:45
Jaffalcuk: I can resist Guiness. Unless it's at the Storehouse ;-)18:45
zogg_DocScrutinizer, he has announcment on one of the russian sites, asked him to make it on TMO as well18:45
alanon_maemoI remember on the n800 the 1 thing that actually made a real difference was ramzswap / compcache18:45
lcuk:) i found out guinness was infact delicious at the storehouse18:45
JaffaBetter than I remembered it.18:46
lcukit took a whole museum and shared experience to do it!18:46
JaffaLike a slightly thicker Boddies18:46
lardmanDocScrutinizer: but similar app, just in a different dimension18:46
DocScrutinizerzogg_: I wonder why I'd need that though18:46
lcukprior to going my only guinness trial was warm regular can18:46
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* lardman kicks himself again for not being able to make it to Dublin to drink real Guinness18:47
zogg_DocScrutinizer in his examples he used it to notify of operator name change or for auto internet connection change(can be used in options for example), or to stop music if phoneheads are out18:47
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* zogg_ ♥ netsplits18:47
DocScrutinizerzogg_: huh? what's that got to do with cron?18:48
alanon_maemozogg: what are netsplits?18:48
zogg_DocScrutinizer it's liek cron but on dbus events18:48
zogg_do that if that18:49
lardmanalanon_maemo: when loads of people leave, then rejoin due to the hosts going mad or somesuch18:49
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alanon_maemooh. thanks18:50
zogg_alanon_maemo if you conected to one server and others to other but they are synced as one irc server, when they unsynced (one disconnects for example) than they offline for eachother but still online for themselves18:50
zogg_wow it's hard to understand what i said18:50
alanon_maemomy head is spinning about now!18:51
alanon_maemooh well18:51
lardmanthat's the alcohol!18:51
alanon_maemojust wonderin', how is crondbus different from dbus-scripts?18:51
zogg_that's the power of knowledge18:52
zogg_alanon_maemo, when it's centralized18:52
zogg_you need to change config instead of having thousand scripts18:52
alanon_maemowhats centralized?18:52
ZogGwhen it's in one place - one script18:53
alanon_maemomeaning all triggers would be stored in one file18:53
ZogGbig one for everything18:53
ZogGyou just give the parametrs18:53
ZogGkinda of18:53
alanon_maemonewb alert question: is there a GUI for it?18:54
ZogGit's also config when it's easier to give parametrs instead of writting script18:54
ZogGalanon_maemo, nope, but i think it can be done and be used for custom setting manager for example in SSU18:55
alanon_maemook, thanks!18:55
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DocScrutinizerzogg_: sorry, the term "like cron but on dbus events" doesn't make sense to me. I am using dbus-scripts pkg since long time, it can execute arbitrary cmds on dbus-events matching a filter expression. That's abolutely unrelated to what crond is doing though.18:57
SpeedEvildbus event for timer-tick, and sufficiently flexible patterns!18:58
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alanon_maemoso is it possible to have ramzswap on n900 with similar performance boosts as on the n8x0's?19:01
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ZogGJaffa, thanks for tweet on @mwkn19:02
alanon_maemodo any other mobile os's use ramzswap / compcache ?19:02
DocScrutinizererrrr, now while noticing ZogG answered my questions to zogg_, I start to think dbuscron has the "advantage" it doesn't allow multiple files to handle separate events. dbus-scripts also can use one large file holding all trigger definitions and the actions to take on them19:03
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DocScrutinizerthe filter patterns in dbus-scripts though are quite a bit restricted19:04
ZogGDocScrutinizer i'll give you example from his config19:05
DocScrutinizeriirc one of the parameter fields of a usual dbus msg isn't available at all in dbus-scripts for filtering19:05
ZogGS signal * org.freedesktop.Hal.Manager /org/freedesktop/Hal/Manager DeviceRemoved * * /opt/userscripts/ stop19:06
DocScrutinizerwhich I'd consider a flaw19:06
DocScrutinizerlooks like dbus-scripting19:07
ZogGstill i find it's usefull19:07
ZogGas something in one place..19:07
ZogGfrom here you can use gui for settings =)19:08
DocScrutinizerso dbus scripting can do that as well19:08
DocScrutinizersorry I miss to see *any* advantage in this ill-named tool19:08
ZogGyou are so anti =)19:08
DocScrutinizerthe only "advantage" you told so far is in fact a regression from dbus-scripts19:09
JaffaZogG: No probs. If you get a better announcement, feel free to poke me or GAN900 with a link this evening19:10
DocScrutinizerZogG: a dbus-scripts example for you19:16
DocScrutinizer# Example: to act on WLAN interface state changes use:19:16
DocScrutinizer#/some/script * * status_changed * WLAN_INFRA19:16
DocScrutinizer# In /some/script, $5 will be the interface name and $7 the new state (IDLE, CONNECTED, etc.)19:16
DocScrutinizer# Each line of these files represents a filter to call a script.19:17
DocScrutinizerso you can have all trigger definitions in one file as well. But you don't NEED to have only one file19:18
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DocScrutinizerand this one plays a swoosh sound on every slide-out of kbd - like startrek original series communicators:19:24
DocScrutinizer/etc/dbus-scripts-scripts/playswoosh * * org.freedesktop.Hal.Device Condition ButtonPressed cover19:25
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ZogGJaffa i didn't write that, so don't want to take a credit, want from author to announce it and as well to involve him to tmo19:27
JaffaZogG: Not claiming you did. But if you don't poke me the link, it won't make tonight's MWKN19:28
JaffaAnd we'll probably not cover it twice unless the homepage contained all sorts of cool exmaples.19:29
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* DocScrutinizer wonders why "we" cover it at all, considering it's a cover version :-D19:30
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Senkrad_LunaLooking for a bit of direction. On Fedora 14 64-bit and looking to upgrade my n900 from 1.2 to 1.3. Anyone here managed this? I've gone as far trying to build virtual 32-bit desktops to get around the problem.19:36
alteregoJust run flasher ..19:39
infobotflashing is, like,
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Senkrad_LunaI've tried but I am having trouble getting around the need for libusb and can't remember what path I took last time to find the solution19:40
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Senkrad_Lunaflasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file19:43
Senkrad_Lunalibusb is installed so I thing it is a 64-bit vs 32-bit os issue19:44
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alteregoWell, I'd use a vm then19:45
alteregoI personally use ubuntu 64bit and know that works with lib32 support installed19:46
lardmanwasn't there a static build available?19:46
alteregolardman: I thought it was a static build ;)19:46
javispedrofedora teoratically has multilib, so you just need to find for libusb.i386 in the repos19:46
Senkrad_LunaThanks for all of that. Back in a bit.19:47
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timeless_webchathello world19:50
* timeless_webchat is trying to update from pr1.2 to pr1.3 ota19:50
timeless_webchatham isn't offering me the update19:50
timeless_webchat(system software updates repository is disabled)19:50
* timeless_webchat supposes that might be relevant...19:50
lardmanhmm, I can't run python2.5 in sb, anyone seen that before?19:51
javispedroyou mean it always runs 2.3 instead, or some error msg?19:52
lardmanno, can't seem to find python2.5 - see this:19:52
lardman[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > ls -rtl /usr/bin/python2.519:52
lardman-rwxr-xr-x  1 simon 1000 1028632 May 17  2010 /usr/bin/python2.519:52
lardman[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > /usr/bin/python2.519:52
lardmanbash: /usr/bin/python2.5: No such file or directory19:52
Senkrad_LunaThanks all I am past the hurdle. I just needed to turn off the filter for native packages and there it was. Seems like it will work.19:52
javispedrolardman: maybe it's symlink to nonexisting /opt or sth like that19:52
lardmansbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > file /usr/bin/python2.519:53
lardman/usr/bin/python2.5: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped19:53
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javispedrolardman: can you md5sum it? also try to run any other armel binary, like ... maemo-summoner19:54
lardman maemo-summoner is also not happy19:54
javispedroso qemu-arm broke19:55
JaffaDocScrutinizer: Noted.19:55
lardmanI installed the Meego tools yesterday, seems that was a mistake19:55
javispedrolardman: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb exists?19:55
javispedrolardman: and is it configured as cputransp? (check with sb-conf show FREMANTLE_ARMEL)19:56
lardmanfirst one exists, checking the second19:56
lardman[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > sb-conf show FREMANTLE_ARMEL19:56
lardmanCompiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm719:56
lardmanDevkits: perl debian-etch qemu doctools svn git19:56
lardmanCPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb19:56
javispedro... looks  fine.19:56
javispedroI'd check if strace says anything interesting19:57
lardmanno, can't find the file19:57
javispedromaybe meego-tools put something in PATH or the like19:57
javispedrocan't find "strace"?19:58
lardmanstrace works, can't find e.g. python2.519:58
lardmaneven with a full path to the binary19:58
lardman[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > strace /usr/bin/python2.519:59
lardmanexecve("/usr/bin/python2.5", ["/usr/bin/python2.5"], [/* 47 vars */]) = 019:59
lardmanstrace: exec: No such file or directory19:59
javispedrocan you run qemu-arm-sb manually?19:59
lardmanyeah, if I give the full path20:00
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javispedroand it runs python2.5?20:00
lardmandunno, it just spits out into about what it is, doesn't actually start20:01
javispedroqemu-arm-sb /usr/bin/python2.520:01
javispedro(btw I do not need to give the full path to qemu-arb-sb, maybe that tells something)20:01
lardmanif I do that, it can't find qemu-arm-sb firstly, and secondly I get an error:20:02
lardmanError -1 while loading /usr/bin/python2.520:02
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javispedro(qemu-arm-sb being in /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin)20:04
lardmanis that PATH within sb?20:04
lardmanok hang on a tick20:05
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javispedrowow, so qemu-arm-sb is on PATH.20:07
lardmaninside sb20:07
javispedroyep. yet the shell can't find it.20:07
lardmanthat was outside20:07
lardman[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > qemu-arm-sb /usr/bin/python2.520:08
lardmanPython 2.5.4 (r254:67916, May 17 2010, 21:00:32)20:08
lardman[GCC 4.2.1] on linux220:08
lardmanType "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.20:08
lardmanthat works inside20:08
javispedrothis rings a belll20:08
lardmanI had assumed that the whole thing was running in qemu, hence trying to run outside, apologies20:09
javispedrols /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc20:09
javispedroyep, sorry =)20:10
lardmannp ;)20:10
javispedroprobably you will have some meego stuff there.20:10
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javispedroyeah, qemu-arm :(20:11
lardmanwhen I want qemu-arm-sb ?20:11
javispedrosbox-arm afaik20:11
lardmanany ideas other than to uninstall the Meego stuff?20:12
javispedroif it came with an init.d script, stop it20:12
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lardmannot sure, will look20:12
javispedrofor a start try "echo -1 > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm"20:13
lardmansimon@simon-desktop:~$ sudo echo -1 > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm20:14
lardmanbash: /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm: Permission denied20:14
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javispedrouse sudo -s20:14
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javispedroI mean, use sudo -s, drop to a shell, and run echo there20:14
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javispedrowhat you wrote above is equivalent to (sudo echo -1) > /proc...20:15
javispedroonly echo runs as root, which is not what you want :)20:15
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javispedrobtw this really ought to be documented somewhere20:15
javispedrokeywords would be binfmt_misc scratchbox qemu meego or the like20:15
lardmanok, that now works20:15
javispedroand python runs?20:16
lardmanlooks like it's a problem with the Meego image builder which installs qemu-arm-static20:16
lardmanthat's what I saw when I cat'd /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm before doing the echo20:16
javispedrothere will be a init.d script somewhere (maybe called qemu-static?)20:16
javispedrostopping it should help20:17
lardmancan't see it20:17
javispedrooutside :)20:17
lardmanyep, just realised that :)20:18
javispedrofedora? maybe they have some central registration of binfmt stuff20:20
javispedromight be, dunno.20:21
javispedroI do know that sbox registers the stuff by its own, in a potentially distro-unfriendly20:21
jacekowskisudo echo > blah20:21
jacekowskiisn't going to work20:21
jacekowskisudo bash -c "echo blah > blah"20:22
jacekowskibut hmm, i've just read you already said that20:22
lardmanthanks anyway javispedro20:24
lardmanI can add that echo -1 line to my SB startup stuff20:24
javispedroit will break meego tools until you reboot though20:25
lardmanyeah that's ok, I can live with that20:25
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javispedroshould be pretty common20:25
lardmando let me know if you find it20:25
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lardmanI guess I should also add a bug for the image building setup to let people know20:25
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Proteousso mean20:30
ProteousI'm sure the other 2 are shivering in fear over their pending doom20:30
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GAN900javispedro, good stuff, usually.20:44
MohammadAGjavispedro, link? :P20:44
BCMM_javispedro: to one specific one as opposed to all of them that aren't also here?20:44
javispedrowell, I usually say nothing when they smash the keyboard with retarded political stuff (as I sometimes do that, too), but completely nonsense tech stuff?20:45
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Jay_BEEgood morning (ugt)20:47
BCMM_"... from the weak gstreamer to something more powerful like MAFW..." - lol.20:48
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MohammadAGjavispedro, isn't that... your changelog?20:49
javispedroMohammadAG: the * lines are. the rest is his interpretation of it.20:50
BCMM_... followed by confused commentary20:50
BCMM_oh wow, Farooq is in the thread...20:50
javispedronearly every line causes me to say wtf.20:50
MohammadAGisn't MAFW like ... a wrapper for gstreamer?20:50
lardmandoesn't have to be, but in our case yes20:50
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javispedro"ID error"? "Not implemented" is a bug? "-dbg is mandatory"????? You need a .so to fix "-dbg is mandatory"?????????20:52
javispedro"EXternal Forced Buffering"???20:52
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MohammadAGjavispedro, he obviously knows more than we do20:53
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Sknixalgum brasileiro?21:08
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, File manager dialog is locked because you have no other compatible file manager21:34
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DocScrutinizeranyway the broken mount button definitely is 100% related to enabling the "open filemanager" option21:35
MohammadAG(filebox for now)21:35
MohammadAGweird, it works fine for me :/21:35
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'll test it on my classmate's device on tuesday21:39
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alteregoWhat the F ..21:39
DocScrutinizerI'd check the code, to find where it's linked21:39
alteregopmo has gone nuts again.21:39
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer it's a normal script in /opt/h-e-n21:40
DocScrutinizeryes, but it's not even called21:40
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DocScrutinizerit's not the script that has problems. It's the button21:41
MohammadAGever had that stupid feeling when you realize your sshing into your own PC21:41
MohammadAGoh, the GUI?21:41
DocScrutinizerthe button doesn't call the script - nada niente null21:42
alteregoI'm always ssh'ing into my own computers :P21:43
DocScrutinizerit however switches on the unmount button21:43
MohammadAGalterego, even localhost? :P21:44
alteregoI do on the N90021:44
alteregoit's how I gain root21:44
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RST38hMohammad: Midnight Commander.21:46
MohammadAGRST38h, or filebox, but sometimes I need to do stuff quickly21:46
luke-jrlibtool: link: armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi-gcc -mcpu=cortex-a8 -pipe -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp --param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=32768 -DHAVE_ERRNO_AS_DEFINE=1 -fno-strict-aliasing -DUNIV_LINUX -DUNIV_LINUX -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--no-keep-memory -Wl,--reduce-memory-overheads -Wl,-O1 -Wl,-S -rdynamic -o hp_test1 hp_test1.o  -Wl,--as-needed ./.libs/libheap.a -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -21:50
luke-jrlpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread ../../mysys/.libs/libmysys.a -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread ../../dbug/.libs/libdbug.a -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread ../../strings/.libs/libmystrings.a -lpthread -lpthread -21:50
luke-jrlpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lcrypt -lnsl -lm -lpthread21:51
luke-jrouch, freenode split that21:51
* javispedro lols21:51
luke-jrbut seriously, something is obsessed w/ pthread21:51
RST38hyou mean you really wanted us to see it whole?21:51
javispedroluke-jr: how many chars?21:51
luke-jrRST38h: I mean it didn't look quite *that* long21:51
luke-jrjavispedro: nfc21:51
RST38hevening javispedro21:52
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: nah, your code has many threads21:53
luke-jrnot my code21:53
luke-jrI think part of MySQL21:53
javispedroI guess this is what happens when everyone thinks21:54
javispedro"well, adding -lpthread to CFLAGS never hurt anyone"21:54
RST38hzombie box showing "Alexander"21:54
RST38hI do think we will end up legalizing gladiator battles at the end.21:54
DocScrutinizeryou oughta feel happy it doesn't include the whole math lib for each single increment21:54
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: some of my software uses a minimum 20 threads :p21:56
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DocScrutinizerwould be interesting to see the libtool cmdline for a forkbomb X-D21:57
luke-jrwhat kind of idiots make the decisions for Android?21:58
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: btw it's your IRC client, not freenode, that does the splitting. Freenode would simply cut off aiui21:58
javispedrowhat fs does android currently use?21:58
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: FreeNode instructs the client how to handle long lines21:59
e-yesah. yeah. official google's blog21:59
DocScrutinizerwell, not exactly. It tells client about max line length21:59
RST38hnox: another few iterations and they will start using semi-complete Linux installation!21:59
nox-semi-complete? :)22:00
e-yesapt-get install android22:01
MohammadAGext4 on a flash?22:01
DocScrutinizerapt-get --force-reinstal install void22:02
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RST38hMohammad: Ah, I am sure it started with "wouldn't it be nice..."22:03
cehtehworks for me :P22:03
javispedroI kinda remember android was already using ext322:03
javispedroso ext4 vs ext3... actually ext4 seems kinda logical.22:04
cehtehext4 on the n900 gives a quite noticeable performance improvement22:04
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luke-jrbut ext3/4 journal is suicide22:04
RST38hcehteh: in which scenarios?22:04
luke-jrI suppose with the battery and a case-opened warning it could be made safe tho22:05
luke-jrby "safe" I of course also mean "inefficient, but no damage"22:05
cehtehluke-jr: i have that since february or so and no problems (not even unclean filesystems)22:05
luke-jrcehteh: the problem is when you do have unclean fs22:05
luke-jrif there's a journal, it's probably wrong22:06
cehtehi dont care, it works well enough for me22:06
luke-jrusing a journal also means it's slower and does more wear ofc22:06
cehtehoand hey ... even flash can implement barriers and checkpointng .. just a question if they d22:06
MohammadAGDoes anyone know what the Qt equivalent of these two buttons (Save and Devices) is in Qt?
luke-jrcehteh: the thing is, when/if you ever fail to unmount cleanly, you're at high risk for data corruption22:06
cehtehthe wear from journal is neglectible22:07
MohammadAGs/in Qt//22:07
infobotMohammadAG meant: Does anyone know what the Qt equivalent of these two buttons (Save and Devices) is ?
luke-jrthe speed/wear issue is meaningless compared to the risk of data corruption22:07
cehtehdo the math .. the journal is tiny and slowly written (i have commit=600)22:07
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cehtehin contrast i had some bad experiences with real SSDs recently ...22:08
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cehtehthe ssd firmware destroyed even unmounted partitions when it did its wear-leveling/garbagge collection or whatever. .. crap new bugs...22:09
cehtehnow i ordered a much more expensive brand ssd :P22:09
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alteregoI really need to come up with a better way to manage my data ..22:11
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jacekowskistore it in /dev/null22:11
jacekowskiand read it from /dev/urandom22:11
javispedrogiven enough time you can always recover all data you lost22:12
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MohammadAGQDialogButtonBox, if anyone wants to use it22:18
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MohammadAGalterego, <MohammadAG> Does anyone know what the Qt equivalent of these two buttons (Save and Devices) is in Qt?
alteregoOkay ;)22:22
alteregoI might implement my "Devices" button actually ..22:22
* javispedro args22:23
alteregoYou really need to change the project name to mohammediaplayer :P22:23
javispedroMohammadAG: you're calling osso_initialize more than once!22:23
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MohammadAGalterego, you know, MeeGo's player isn't all that good :P22:24
alteregoShould make it better then :P22:24
MohammadAGjavispedro, got that part, should deinitialize it22:24
javispedrosince you're very probably going to need it elsewhere22:25
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javispedroyou should init once per program22:25
javispedrothen keep it around22:25
javispedros/per program/at startup22:25
javispedroalso, I wonder if MaemoQT doesn't do that for you already? (no idea)22:25
MohammadAGtbh, I was thinking of getting rid of the whole osso crap22:26
MohammadAG(without using QLibrary)22:26
javispedroosso crap!22:26
MohammadAGmaybe a rewrite of the whole dialog22:26
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* MohammadAG cries22:27
MohammadAGafter all, calling it in portrait mode flips the device to landscape mode22:27
javispedroQt must handle some of this. How do you prevent your app running twice in Qt?22:27
MohammadAGyou don't22:28
MohammadAGdbus handles that22:28
javispedrodbus doesn't handle that unless you reserve your name on the bus, which is exactly what osso_initialize does on a hildon app22:28
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MohammadAGno idea then22:29
javispedroso if it's transparent for Qt apps then it is calling osso_initialize for you then, there has to be a way to get the context from QApplication I guess.22:29
MohammadAGbut again, thinking of rewriting it22:29
alteregoQApplication has support22:29
alteregofor single instances22:29
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comawhitealterego: not out of the box22:30
comawhitealterego: there was a Qt Solution for singleton support of an application22:31
GAN900I'm so tired of Android commercials.22:31
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alteregoOh, well, I just remember Venemo telling me about it as e uses it for sticky notes.22:31
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comawhiteGAN900: I don't get them much where I live22:32
RST38hGAN: Turn the zombie box off.22:32
alteregoGAN900: I'm sick of iPhone and iPad adverts ..22:32
alteregoI swear there's about 2 per break ..22:32
comawhiteI've only seen like 3 total of iPhone22:32
* RST38h is kinda tired of suggesting this easy, logical way of action22:32
comawhiteI get my n900 wednesday :D22:32
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Senkrad_LunaGAN900: or set up mythtv and skip commercials altogether22:34
aepi wonder if the N900s usb-mode is something hardware based or entirely software. I'm considering abusing it to mount a network share into my TV via usb mass storage interface :)22:34
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aepat least the drive isnt FAT, so it cant possibly be exposed directly22:35
Senkrad_Lunacomawhite: congrats it is great to have and I am little more than sensible user.22:35
nox-well MyDocs usually is fat...22:36
GAN900Senkrad_Luna, live sports.22:36
GAN900Only time I watch TV anymore.22:36
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DocScrutinizeraep: h-e-n hostmode is a kernel path to fix a few hw flaws22:36
RST38hGAN: Senkrad is actually giving a good idea22:36
Senkrad_Lunaaep:the USB is a hardware issue from what I have read22:36
nox-yeah id say so too22:37
Senkrad_LunaI love my 5TB raid6 MythTV box. :P22:37
RST38hGAN: Either set up MythtV or (easier) get a recorder box with skip feature (probably semi-illegal in the US, but you can order one online)22:37
javispedroaep: partially hardware (there's a FAT partition), so you cannot.22:37
aepright. thanks22:37
Senkrad_LunaThough admittedly I only use digital in the uk.22:37
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alteregoBored now22:38
* nox- prefers vdr over mythtv...22:38
* MohammadAG starts on his mediabar project22:38
Senkrad_LunaSo why not try your original ego and see if it got more fun while you were gone.22:38
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aepcan i switch usb-mode on/off at least via  a script?  ALternative solution would be to copy stuff around22:39
DocScrutinizeraep: yes22:39
alteregoI wanna do something in QML, but I dunno what.22:39
aepawesome. got a hint?22:39
comawhiteSenkrad_Luna: the only thing, I won't have phone service for a while though22:40
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MohammadAGaep, you can check the source of h-e-n's GUI, it's quite simple (till I update it)22:40
DocScrutinizerlook at, into paul's branch in SCM22:40
MohammadAGsimple echos into procfs22:40
MohammadAGor that ^22:40
MohammadAGalterego, the dishes!22:40
aepMohammadAG: uh yeah?22:40
aepknow it offhand? otherwise i'll grep it in the source22:41
Senkrad_Lunacomawhite: I have found it worth it. I bought mine from a nokia shop and have found it a great investment.22:41
DocScrutinizer*sigh* what do you need?22:41
aepDocScrutinizer: me?22:41
aepthat :D22:41
aepthanks MohammadAG22:42
Senkrad_LunaMade sure to get one for my wife to reduce my support commitments. :P22:42
MohammadAGI just linked you to <DocScrutinizer> look at, into paul's branch in SCM :)22:42
* MohammadAG wonders how big (in pixels) a mediabar should be22:42
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comawhitewhat's mms?22:42
DocScrutinizer~what's mms?22:43
infobotmms is, like, console mpg123 frontend, with nice ncurses interface which can be found in debian source format at, or the protocol used by Windows Media Player (probably stands for Mostly Microsoft Stuff), or mplayer -dumpstream mms://blah22:43
alteregoMeh, I'll just work on some more QML framework like stuff.22:43
MohammadAGlol fail :P22:43
infobotmms is, like, console mpg123 frontend, with nice ncurses interface which can be found in debian source format at, or the protocol used by Windows Media Player (probably stands for Mostly Microsoft Stuff), or mplayer -dumpstream mms://blah22:43
MohammadAGbigger fail22:43
comawhite~phone mms22:44
MohammadAGinfobot, mms is also
infobotMohammadAG: okay22:44
infobotmethinks mms is console mpg123 frontend, with nice ncurses interface which can be found in debian source format at, or the protocol used by Windows Media Player (probably stands for Mostly Microsoft Stuff), or mplayer -dumpstream mms://blah, or
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comawhiteMohammadAG: I got it22:44
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comawhiteall you guys use t-mobile for carriers eh? (US)22:46
comawhitethat's weak ttw = $99 -_-22:48
comawhitemuch like at&t22:48
* alterego is Vodafone22:48
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alteregoThe N900 is unlocked though, you can use it with any carrier.22:48
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aepweird. whats the "Connect to USB Device" dialog for, when it exposes all devices before i even select something?22:49
comawhitebut this carrier doesn't support all the us though major cities, idk about Europe though22:49
comawhitethis is why I hate cell phones, companies rip you off22:50
RST38hFailed to fetch  Hash Sum mismatch22:50
aepok it doesnt...  apparantly /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode  has nothing to do with mass storage emulation22:51
Senkrad_LunaT-Mobile is over here in the uk.22:51
aepMohammadAG: did i read that stuff incorrectly?22:52
comawhiteSenkrad_Luna: didn't know :P22:52
comawhitetoo bad Verizon and Spirit wasn't supported22:52
javispedroaep: musb_hdrc is hostmode22:52
aepyeah, thats what i thought. nothing to do with what i want22:53
javispedroand what do you want? :)22:53
aepswitch on/off mass storage mode22:53
javispedroto enable something else?22:54
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luke-jralterego: not in the USA :P22:54
luke-jralterego: it only works with T-Mobile here22:54
aepyeah, i want to mount the device locally, copy a file, then enable mass storage22:54
javispedroaep: you need to enable "something" or else windows as a host will stop sending power to your device22:54
luke-jrcomawhite: what's $99?22:54
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aepuh, the host is a TV. i doubt its smart enough to do anything like that22:54
comawhiteluke-jr: umlimited text, minutes, web22:55
comawhitefor tmobile22:55
javispedroaep: the "host mode emulation" is g_file_storage, there's extensive docs for it in the Linux kernel; you can do stuff like simulating eject events and the like22:55
javispedros/host mode emulation/mass storage emulation/22:55
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aepjavispedro: aaah, thanks22:56
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aephmm i wonder if the TV is even smart enough to understand eject22:56
javispedroaep: usually rmmod g_file_storage works for killing mass storage, but to restart it you need to set all the luns etc manually or just use the UI22:56
aepdont want the gui :(22:57
javispedrounless someone knows how to trick ke-recv22:57
GAN900RST38h, got that, doesn't help watching live sports.22:58
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MohammadAGalterego, ping22:59
RST38hGAN: You mean, they started overlaying commercials onto live sports???22:59
MohammadAGalterego, ever used Qt::tooltip22:59
lcukRST38h, thats been there for a long time22:59
lcukshirts have advertising on22:59
MohammadAGQt::ToolTip even22:59
alteregoMohammadAG: nope22:59
luke-jrcomawhite: I just do unlimited web for $0 :p23:00
RST38hlcuk: Haven't watched sports, like, ever :)23:01
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luke-jrcomawhite: anyhow, AFAIK, TMo is the *only* provider in the US with unlimited data23:02
GAN900RST38h, most of them aren't on ATSC, so I'd need something to encode component.23:02
GAN900Which is too expensive.23:02
comawhiteluke-jr: there is (which newegg list that is compatible) for $60 unlimited everything but it's GSM coverage is spotty:
comawhitefor US at least23:02
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luke-jrnever heard of it23:03
* MohammadAG sighs23:03
RST38hGAN: My BBK (Oppo in US) recorder will do it automatically23:03
RST38hfrom either of two component inputs too :)23:04
luke-jrcomawhite: if you want $0 for unlimited data only, you need to get a prepaid SIM, convince T-Mo to let you switch to the Sidekick/Hiptop plan (no longer available officially), then get your balance to something between $0.01 and $).1423:04
MohammadAGalterego, hildon fails sometimes, this widget only shows in the task manager, and it doesn't capture mouse events
comawhiteluke-jr: o_O23:05
alteregoHeh, nice23:05
luke-jrend result: 1) you can't make calls, because they're 15c/min, 2) you can't do texts, because they can't bill you the $1/day plan fee, 3) your account won't expire, because it has a balance, but 4) data still works23:06
comawhiteluke-jr: TMobiles prepaid is better than the contract, $70 for unlimited talk and text with 2GB data23:07
RST38hluke <== cunning23:07
myuim getting a cannot load FM radio drive module23:07
comawhiteI just really care for the web rather than texting and phone23:07
luke-jrcomawhite: TMobile's no-contract postpaid is better than the contract23:07
luke-jrthe contract is for people who want "free" phones23:08
myuthats what I got23:08
myuno contract23:08
myu70 dollars23:08
myu500 minutes, unlimited sms, unlimited 3g23:08
luke-jrI have unlimited talk+text for $30/mo23:08
luke-jrbut I'm about to cancel it23:08
comawhiteluke-jr: why23:08
luke-jrCDMA only23:08
luke-jrand poor coverage here23:08
comawhiteisn't CDMA us only?23:08
luke-jrno, China also has CDMA23:09
RST38hLots of places have CDMA, including Europe23:09
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comawhitewhat about Europe?23:09
RST38hExcept that it is not as widespread as GSM/UMTS23:09
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alteregoI should probably set up my blog again ..23:10
comawhitethe only problem is the prepaid plans aren't customisable23:10
luke-jrcomawhite: T-Mobile has some loyalty discounts after N months i hear23:10
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luke-jrhmm, this MySimpleMobile coverage map looks identical to T-Mobile's23:12
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myudoes anyone know what tmobiles STMP outgoing server is?23:13
comawhiteluke-jr: naw, t mobile is much more in the central us than simple mobile23:13
luke-jrcomawhite: uh, no?23:13
comawhiteaccording to this:
luke-jrcomawhite: I used to live in central US. no service *at all*23:13
MohammadAGalterego, figured it out, Qt::X11BypassWindowManagerHint ftw!23:14
MohammadAGalterego, you know how to animate windows right?23:14
MohammadAGwidgets even23:14
comawhiteI wonder if there is an activation fee for tmobile's mobile23:15
luke-jrthere is23:15
luke-jror at least, they charge for the SIM23:15
luke-jrcomawhite: just setup OpenBTS23:15
alteregoMohammadAG: what kind of animation were you thinking of?23:15
MohammadAGalterego, sliding from and to the side23:16
alteregocreate a QPropertyAnimation(widget, "geometry", this);23:16
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alteregoset the animation duration and possibly an easing curve.23:16
alteregoThen when yo uwant to move your widget, setStartValue and setEndValue23:17
alteregoto a QRect describing the geometry of your widget (position & size)23:17
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comawhiteluke-jr: only shit, $1.60 to Germany with tmobile's prepaid, I can get $0.02 per minute with simplemobile23:18
luke-jrcomawhite: SIP over GPRS ☺23:20
luke-jrthat's how I do it23:21
comawhiteWhat phones work on Simple Mobile 3G? Only phones with 1700/2100 AWS band work on our 3G network.23:21
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* alterego builds the latest creator rc23:23
alteregoI wonder what features it has23:23
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luke-jr"Simple Mobile is an MVNO on T-Mobile's network. T-Mobile's coverage area is Simple Mobile's coverage area. And unless I'm reading Simple Mobile's site wrong, they have no roaming agreements, so if you leave T-Mobile's coverage area, you get nothing at all."23:28
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comawhiteIt runs on the 850/900/1800/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE frequencies as well as the 900/1700/2100 MHz HSPA 3G frequencies.23:28
comawhiteseems to be incompat with simplemobile23:29
luke-jrcomawhite: how do you figure? O.o23:29
comawhiteI don't see 1700/2100 in GSM23:29
luke-jryour Simple Mobile FAQ post was about 3G23:29
luke-jrGSM is 2G23:30
comawhitewell I don't know shit about cell phnes23:30
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luke-jrsounds like SM limits data to under 1 GB…23:30
comawhitesays unlimited at $60?23:31
comawhitebut then again you have to read the fine print on that23:31
luke-jrright, apparently 1000 MB is 'unlimited' to them23:31
alteregoThat what most providers say ..23:31
comawhitesee you get fucked by the fine print23:31
comawhitei hate when companies do that shit23:32
luke-jrI wish one would at least do 56k type service23:32
alteregoA real unlimited contract will be based on an FUP23:32
luke-jr56k might not be fast, but it can sure beat 1000 GB23:32
luke-jr1000 MB*23:32
luke-jrheck, 56k can beat 1000 GB too23:33
luke-jrmaybe not23:33
comawhite56k o_O23:33
comawhitehold on lemme dial in to my phone23:33
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comawhite*dialup sound* H                        i                             I                                        lov                            e                                 u23:34
luke-jrnah, 56k is just 17.8 GB/mo23:34
luke-jrstill better than 1 GB tho23:35
comawhiteBut I doubt i'll be using 1GB for a whole month23:36
comawhitedesktop that is a different story, i use about 235GB of bandwidth23:36
luke-jrcomawhite: you can get T-Mo 500 min Talk+Text for $50, then add unlimited data for $10 :P23:36
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comawhiteprepaid or contract?23:37
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  ping, even23:37
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, damn you23:37
luke-jror get just the Talk/Text, wait a month, call em up to cancel23:37
NooBmonk3yevening :)23:37
luke-jrask retentions for $5/mo data to stay on…23:37
NooBmonk3yWell done on the u-booty thingy :)23:38
MohammadAGwell, beforemidnight, whatever :P23:38
NooBmonk3ybut a quick question befor eyou go back to slumber :P23:38
MohammadAGthanks, it was a bricked on the first build23:38
comawhitei think imma go to SM and give it a whirl (no contract)23:38
NooBmonk3ylol - hence my question? :P23:38
NooBmonk3yworth installing and trying meego for the first time?23:38
MohammadAGit doesn't brick now :P23:38
MohammadAGif you want to develop for it, sure!23:39
NooBmonk3yso install that, then install meego i assume23:39
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luke-jrmy dad pays under $100/mo for 5 lines from Sprint -.-23:39
luke-jrwhy are GSM/HSPA services so insanely expensive?23:40
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MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, keep that in mind for the next umm, 5 mins?23:41
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* NooBmonk3y ummmm ok's23:41
NooBmonk3ymeh wget not found lol23:44
MohammadAGapt-get install it, and use apt for my package, please!23:45
NooBmonk3yi am :)23:46
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NooBmonk3yoooo i like!23:47
NooBmonk3yi like alot!23:47
MohammadAGproximity sensor is always on, put it to use, make the N900 5800-esque (is that a good thing?)23:48
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NooBmonk3ywell, kinda23:49
NooBmonk3ylooks cool23:49
MohammadAGnow to figure out how to ...<alterego> create a QPropertyAnimation(widget, "geometry", this);23:50
Jaffacrashanddie: ping23:50
MohammadAGoh, and how to handle dbus app launching without hardcoding it (and with .desktop file support)23:51
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lolloo_help needed urget guys!23:51
alteregoIt'd be cool if you could do more with that and make some media controls23:52
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lolloo_i want to flash my phone but it keeps booting to meego!23:52
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  2 meego images?
lolloo_i keep pressing 'u'23:52
alteregololloo_: take out the micro sd card?23:52
lolloo_but it doesnt boot in flash mode23:52
lolloo_it directly boots to meego!23:52
lolloo_yeah i did that23:52
lolloo_it keep restarting itself23:53
NooBmonk3ythat doesnt bode well, i'm just about to try meego lol23:53
lolloo_i have uboot installed23:53
lolloo_but uboot keeps booting23:53
lolloo_i kept pressing 'u' to enter flash mode23:53
lolloo_but it doesnt23:53
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* Arkenoi is trying to find conboy replacement as tomboy sucks badly. evernote does not have desktop client at all :-/ any other option?23:54
lolloo_when i connect the usb while the phone is off, i keep pressing 'u', but u-boot keeps booting23:57
lolloo_ignoring 'u'23:57
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