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| MohammadAG | alterego, looks smaller, doesn't Qt set Maemo fonts by default? | 00:02 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, 13px, but thanks :D | 00:03 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: yeah, it does | 00:05 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: look at HildonFancyButton (renamed HeFancyButton in Hildon-Extras) | 00:06 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG, Venemo: What would it take you guys to help with MeeGo development? | 00:08 |
| alterego | Basically, what are you waiting for? :) | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | Maemo 5 is too usable, and MeeGo isn't, and I need a device for daily use :) | 00:09 |
| * andre__ wonders about the question and replaces "MeeGo" by "Android", "iPhone" and "Windows phone 7" | 00:09 | |
| javispedro | WebOS!! WebOS!! | 00:10 |
| andre__ | damn, I forgot my HP stocks, true :-P | 00:10 |
| alterego | ShadowJK: understandable. | 00:10 |
| javispedro | let's see. | 00:10 |
| javispedro | in my brief experience with cs students, your average human prefers instanteneous reward over long term ones | 00:11 |
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| ShadowJK | Hopefully once we see MeeGo devices appear, they wont be locked or crippled so that the version they run is obsolete from a dev pov :) | 00:12 |
| alterego | javispedro: I agree. | 00:12 |
| Venemo | good night | 00:12 |
| javispedro | developing for meego, at this point, means you do not get to make the big post on tmo | 00:12 |
| Venemo | alterego: waiting for it to get into a usable state | 00:12 |
| Venemo | bb | 00:12 |
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| * ShadowJK fixed external gps bugging with Ovi Maps, and submitted patch, which was rejected, and from looking at source code, same issue exists in MeeGo :D | 00:12 | |
| galerien | Hi guys, I'm thinking about getting a nokia N900 for Xmas, anyone can tell me why I souldn't ? (if that's off topic, tell me, but I don't know where else to look for that kind of info) | 00:13 |
| javispedro | what source code? O.o | 00:13 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK^^ | 00:13 |
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| Carneque | galerien, what's your experience with linux? | 00:13 |
| galerien | Using it for 3 years now, only ubuntu but I can write awk and shell quite ok | 00:13 |
| javispedro | are we discussing the same thing in both channels? | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, javispedro crashanddie http://i55.tinypic.com/wkr7si.jpg | 00:14 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: one window made, 7 to go! | 00:14 |
| javispedro | still doesn't look pixel perfect | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | 2 actually :P | 00:14 |
| Carneque | The new 5.0 is quite handy, working well with Nokia PC Suite... the downside is the lack of apps but alot of people are working on more all the time | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, gypsy is open source | 00:14 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: nice :) | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | http://i51.tinypic.com/f2t155.jpg javispedro | 00:15 |
| alterego | Isn't the writing a bit far down? | 00:15 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: ah, thought it was ovi bug | 00:15 |
| alterego | Move it up 10 pixels | 00:15 |
| galerien | Carneque, It's just that my HTC desire got stolen and I've been a nokia costumer for years (my company payed for the HTC) and I wanted to go back to the source ! | 00:15 |
| Carneque | I can't seem to get any good pictures out of the phone | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, patches welcome (see what I did there? :P) | 00:15 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: move the text up 10 pixels :P | 00:15 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: the sane thing | 00:15 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, nah, it also caused Sygic Maps to run at 1fps and consume 100% CPU | 00:15 |
| galerien | And I don't want an N8 because Sysbian is too far behind and it's not going to be supported long, as it's the last one... | 00:16 |
| Carneque | But I haven't tried pictures with the 5.0 update, some improved ISO bug fixes and such | 00:16 |
| javispedro | galerien: so you came here expecting Nokia support? | 00:16 |
| galerien | javispedro, no, just explaining myself | 00:16 |
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| alterego | galerien: the N900 is already EOLd by Nokia | 00:17 |
| * javispedro smiles | 00:17 | |
| galerien | EOLd ? | 00:17 |
| alterego | No longer supported. | 00:17 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | end of life d | 00:17 |
| Carneque | galerien, I think it's a unique phone that lets you play with linux more so go for it | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | End of Life'd | 00:17 |
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| MohammadAG | EoLd looks geekier | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | maemo 5 can still have a life | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, http://i54.tinypic.com/k54gae.jpg | 00:18 |
| Carneque | I have a question, when I am connected to the gprs network, it gives me an ip adress of 10.106.137.205 Is there a way to connect via SSH to that IP? | 00:18 |
| galerien | Carneque, ok, so, the only downside is that there isn't much application... ? And is maemo community still active (upgrade and stuff) or are you guys the last resistants ^^ | 00:19 |
| kerio | Carneque: depends on your carrier | 00:19 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: another 10 :P | 00:19 |
| Carneque | KPN in holland | 00:19 |
| alterego | Mohactually no. | 00:19 |
| Carneque | I am also interested in some kind of minute tracking app | 00:19 |
| javispedro | alterego: check your n900 | 00:19 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: actually no, that is dead on | 00:19 |
| javispedro | alterego: that. | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | Carneque: no | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | Carneque: it's behind a nat | 00:19 |
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| ShadowJK | 443 uses in this channel... | 00:20 |
| javispedro | hum | 00:20 |
| javispedro | we are decaying vs #meego user count since? | 00:20 |
| javispedro | ;) | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, sure about that? | 00:21 |
| Carneque | Has anyone had any success writing apps using APIs of different carriers? | 00:22 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: yes, it looks weird in the stock ui too :P | 00:22 |
| alterego | I'm measuring to the curve of the headphone lead | 00:22 |
| alterego | You can't be anymore than a pixel off | 00:22 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, 10 pixels is a lot | 00:24 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: don't move it from the last screenshot. | 00:24 |
| alterego | The last one you posted was dead on .. | 00:24 |
| alterego | Ignore me telling you to push it up another 10 :P | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, feel free to measure again on device, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | got it :) | 00:24 |
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| mece | MohammadAG, could you point me towards the file I need to get my fm transmitter boosted? | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski.org | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | for the modified / illegal FMTXD | 00:26 |
| mece | what does that one dp? | 00:26 |
| mece | do? | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/PR1.3/fmtx-si4713.ko for the stock module w/o power lock http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/PR1.3/fmtx-si4713.ko | 00:26 |
| mece | I just want 118 | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | it locks to 120 | 00:26 |
| mece | oh :) | 00:27 |
| mece | the one from jace? | 00:27 |
| mece | erm | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 00:27 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, try the binary, clicking the button makes it look ugly :/ | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | mine locks to 120 power | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | and modifies frequency range | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | and will work with headphones and usb cable plugged in | 00:29 |
| mece | :) | 00:29 |
| mece | so what do I do with it? | 00:30 |
| kerio | mine goes up to 11 | 00:30 |
| mece | it's a binary it seems | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/sbin/fmtxd | 00:30 |
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| MohammadAG | you should be able to figure out what to do :P | 00:30 |
| mece | :D | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG | don't forget to chmod +x, it gets messy | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG | yes, it's closed source from Nokia | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | modifying it is illegal... oh well :P | 00:31 |
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| mece | heheh | 00:32 |
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| mece | ftw! | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | no it's not | 00:32 |
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| jacekowski | it's very legal | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | as long as i don't share with anybody | 00:32 |
| Carneque | Thanks guys for the answers, have a good one! Nite! | 00:33 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, lol | 00:34 |
| * MohammadAG wishes he could mod rtcom-call-ui.launch to remove proximity blanking | 00:34 | |
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| jacekowski | it's not in rtcom-call-ui.launch | 00:37 |
| jacekowski | it's in rtcom-call-ui | 00:37 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: you replaced icons in the mediaplayer? | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sure? I said same, then changed my mind | 00:57 |
| jacekowski | yes | 00:58 |
| jacekowski | .launch is a symlink | 00:58 |
| jacekowski | but now you confused me | 00:58 |
| jacekowski | maybe it's other way | 00:58 |
| jacekowski | .launch is app and without .launch is a launcher | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ll `which osso-addressbook` | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2010-06-23 05:10 /usr/bin/osso-addressbook -> maemo-invoker | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-12-06.log.html#t2010-12-06T13:54:00 | 01:10 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: why you want to disable that sensor? | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: because there may be simple way of doing that with LD_PRELOAD and hooking into fopen/open | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | it wastes too much swap | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | proximity sensor wastes swap? | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | how | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | what | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ???? | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | yes, it calls mce to lock the screen, and apparently, that's usually swapped during a call | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | actually, killing all of mce integration with the phone app would be nice, other than the vibra | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | so how would you lock screen then? | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | I don't want to lock it | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | haha, the proximity sensor is dealt with in mce anyway | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | can anybody check how big is mce? | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | in memory | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, you don't need to compare values | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | # Note: the name should not include the "lib"-prefix | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Modules=display;keypad;vibrator;led;battery;filter-brightness-als;inactivity;alarm;accelerometer;callstate;camera;homekey;audiorouting | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | from mce.ini | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest you play a bit with this line | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | lock the screen, time how much it takes form when the lock switch is pressed till the screen is locked | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | do the same during a call | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | i just need to know it's memory footprint | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | because it may be mlocked if it's not too big | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: tell me where to find a decent ps on this shit | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | then I tell you about footprint | 01:19 |
| jacekowski | top | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | top is useless as well | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe htop | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it really pisses me off | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | tell me which *-gnu pkg to install to get decent ps | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | bash | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | and coreutil | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | s | 01:22 |
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| BCMM | yeah, BB's ps and top are slightly upsetting | 01:24 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: you missed the bit where you have to work out where the heck coreutils got installed to and fix your $PATH | 01:25 |
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| alterego | So just finished my Qml xbox media remote app, upload it to -devel tomorrow. | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | huh? | 01:31 |
| alterego | Now I have to think of something else small todo | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I got nash and coreutils and proper path | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but no ps | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | neither gps or whatelse | 01:32 |
| alterego | g'night folks | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/nash/bash | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2010-07-26 22:57 ptx -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/ptx | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2010-07-26 22:57 pwd -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/pwd | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 2010-07-26 22:57 printf -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/printf | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2010-07-26 22:57 ptx -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/ptx | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | no ps | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | sad | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | but well | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | all ps does is parse couple files in /proc/pid/ | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | like stat | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | and couple others | 01:39 |
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| jacekowski | but i'm going to sleep now | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | good night | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# help | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | bash: help: command not found | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ps --help | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) multi-call binary | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# which pwd | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/gnu/pwd | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-( | 01:41 |
| kerio | ~bacon DocScrutinizer | 01:42 |
| * infobot goes Footloose on DocScrutinizer, even though its illegal | 01:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search ps|wc -l | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | 547 | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, jacekowski | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | 25364 root 701 15 -5 5476 2156 1848 S 0.0 0.9 13:38.56 /sbin/mce --force-syslog | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I don't think mlocking it is a good idea. Basically there's too much mlocked shit already | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I also doubt the sense in disabling proximity blanking all together, just because it's allegedly too slow | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who's maintainer of bash3? | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | could the one pretty please revert the config option that broke bash's builtin help?! | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not interested in bash trying to compete with messybox :-( | 01:57 |
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| roadi | does onyone have a good idea what else i can do after an dist-upgrade and now the nokia flshing tool will not detect/discover the n900? btw dmesg shows me only connect and disconnects on the usb port but nothing with the 'name' n900. | 02:12 |
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| roadi | i tryed the meegoo rescue for 2 times but now it doesn't work too. the last time the backlight goes off and thats all. :( | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh well - it was nice when it lasted. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html | 02:13 |
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| Gh0sty | site down? | 02:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - back now. | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | k, got it: apt-get install procps | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | roadi: recharge batery. I know you'll have a hard time doing so | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | roadi: dist-upgrade is *known* to wreck your system | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | roadi: no use in trying rescue initrd. You'll have to reflash | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | roadi: flashing needs a charged battery to work | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | roadi: and with current state of your N900 you'll need to find another way to charge battery | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | other way := use external charger | use compatible phone (e.g. 5800) | get a spare battery which usually comes semi-decently precharged | 02:39 |
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| BCMM | woah, with a broken OS there's no way to force the phone to charge? | 02:45 |
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| ieatlint | there is | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: you're kidding me? | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: ?? | 02:47 |
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| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: as you just stated, you can charge the phone with a wall charger | 02:48 |
| ieatlint | or essentially any charger that shorts the data pins... | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: in fact it will always start to charge, just it has a Vmax of 3.6V or sth | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is way too low to do a proper flashing | 02:49 |
| ieatlint | can it even charge while "off" at 100mah? | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it can even charge @500 while really totally off | 02:49 |
| ieatlint | well, at 500 i know it can, i've done it | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | datapin-short detection is done in hardware | 02:50 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i meant connected to a usb host | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes it should charge @100 then iirc | 02:50 |
| GAN900 | Ew Chrome OS | 02:51 |
| ieatlint | heh, yeah, chrome os is getting infinitely more press than meego though | 02:52 |
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| ieatlint | doesn't use rpm at least :P | 02:53 |
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| GAN900 | Google gets more press than Jesus. | 02:55 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i'd kinda assumed that the battery chip could handle charging if the OS failed... | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it does, see above | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: well, jesus isn't exactly the latest news nowadays | 02:58 |
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| pupnik | Well they've led Assange up to his golgotha. | 02:59 |
| ieatlint | GAN900: well, i can prove google exists | 02:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems it's even hard to prove anything exists, regarding the silence on IRC | 05:03 |
| FauxFaux | If nothing happens on irc, and there's nobody there to see it, did nothing really happen?# | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 05:04 |
| javispedro | FauxFaux: your jedi mind tricks do not work with me | 05:06 |
| FauxFaux | I've confnused myself with my own paradox. | 05:06 |
| b-man` | lol | 05:14 |
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| timeless_webchat | FauxFaux: and your fingers were confused too | 05:21 |
| FauxFaux | It's 3am. >.< | 05:21 |
| timeless_webchat | it's 5:24am | 05:24 |
| timeless_webchat | don't play the time card with me, you're unlikely to win | 05:24 |
| FauxFaux | Apparently you don't have a 9-5 job. :p | 05:24 |
| timeless_webchat | hrm | 05:24 |
| timeless_webchat | what makes you think that? | 05:24 |
| FauxFaux | Normally people don't go nocturnal when they do. | 05:24 |
| timeless_webchat | technically in finland i think jobs are 8-4 :) | 05:24 |
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| timeless_webchat | all i want is LWP::Simple (don't ask me why) | 05:26 |
| johnx | as opposed to LWP::Complicated ? | 05:27 |
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| timeless_webchat | well, there's LWP::UserAgent | 05:28 |
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| timeless_webchat | and LWP::RobotUA | 05:29 |
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| timeless_webchat | the opposite is probably LWP::Protocol | 05:30 |
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| * slonopotamus bought kinda crappy n900 charger :/ it couldn't fully charge turned off n900 in 9 hours | 08:00 | |
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| Jay_BEE | let me guess... from eBay? | 08:08 |
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| zr0 | are wpa2 preshared keys with special characters not supported? | 08:10 |
| zr0 | on the n900? | 08:10 |
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| slonopotamus | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/12/07/is-this-the-end-of-maemo5/ really funny. as if it wasn't clear that maemo 5 will be abandoned long time ago. | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: there's something odd. htop version5 is 2 hours older allegedly than version4, according to the changes section of http://maemo.org/packages/view/htop/ | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: the charger is missing the D+- short | 08:20 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: should i read that as "don't buy nokia chargers, buy china ones for $4"? | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: sorry, I don't get your point | 08:22 |
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| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: how i'm supposed to understand what exact charger i should pick in a shop? | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: I have no idea | 08:24 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: i doubt they have "D+- short included!" label | 08:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 08:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer prints a few dozen "includes D+- short" labels and sends them to slonopotamus | 08:25 | |
| slonopotamus | so easier to avoid nokia chargers completely :/ | 08:25 |
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| RST38h | slono: really easy | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: you're puzzling me ang make me slightly angry. What's wrong with Nokia charger? You said you bought a second source crap USB charger | 08:26 |
| RST38h | slono: You need a geniune Nokia AC-10E charger | 08:28 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h: i'm all ears | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | or any method to short D+- | 08:28 |
| slonopotamus | i already got three chargers, one stops charging on minimal moves of connector, one doesn't charge at all (?), one charges for insane about of time | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are adapters that have a switch to do that | 08:28 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: ... i bought crap genuine nokia charger. | 08:29 |
| chx | http://shop.brando.com/mini-usb-to-micro-usb-adapter-w-on-off-switch_p04160c0006d001.html i was recommended this | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 08:29 |
| chx | works like a charm. | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | chx: yup. But won't help for crap genuine Nokia... though I wonder what that means | 08:30 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: genuiine Nokia, china style. | 08:30 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: http://www.engadget.com/tag/kirf | 08:30 |
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| chx | i ordered a genuine nokia battery from amazon | 08:32 |
| chx | i wonder what am i going to get :P | 08:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, this kirf shit left me even more puzzled | 08:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N-KIA E68 video : "sorry, this video contains material from OMFG and isn't available in your country" | 08:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.theb52s.com/video >>the official website<< : "sorry, this video contains material from OMFG and isn't available in your country" -- WTF??! | 08:39 |
| chx | Is there a list of Nokia Repair Centres? cant find on the nokia website. tried both USA and Canada. Flash-ridden piece of unusable crap. | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, after noticing my GSM provider's website to manage my account needs ~60s over DSL(!) on my 2GHz PC, to download >300pics TWO TIMES, I'm not shocked by anything like that anymore | 08:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mankind formed by a prevailing percentage of ignorants, morons, and assholes, and maybe cockroaches should take over for dominant species on earth | 08:47 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Oh, ****. I somehow managed to disconnect my root drive on my Debian desktop. | 08:51 |
| RobbieThe1st | I can't even run ls, or shutdown, or sudo... | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | pull the plug | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, basically you already did | 08:52 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Yea... Back in a bit | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | good luck on that. I'm not so sure | 08:54 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm... Anyone know if md raid configuration might be stored in the initrd for raids that are assembled during boot? | 08:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | using raid for rootfs and/or /boot is discouraged afaik | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well sw-raid that is | 08:59 |
| RobbieThe1st | Eh... It works surprisingly well. Worked great for months, until I had to replace my motherboard and had to run one of my disks through a USB adaptor. | 08:59 |
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| RobbieThe1st | It worked for a couple of days, until it was booted up once with the usb adaptor not working right; next boot, the drive's /dev/ location was different and it didn't like that | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 09:00 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's kind of amazing how well Linux runs under the worst conditions... | 09:01 |
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| ds3 | 9 | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | unix comes top down, instead of bottom up to mainstream like e.g. windows does, on the ladder of resources & professional design & expertise | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: 8 | 09:06 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I'm not sure what you mean there... | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | simply put, 20 years ago unix was for mainframes while windows was for cheesy Personal Computers | 09:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea | 09:09 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Linux had a very robust and light-weight foundation, and then everything sits on top of it modularly. Windows on the other hand... | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | if linux would have been built the microsoft way, then the OS wouldn't have a kernel but rather one large xorg blob | 09:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea | 09:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | *shudder* | 09:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though this changed a bit when the renamed VMS to W-NT | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | they* | 09:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | And it improved Windows significantly. | 09:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, VMS was a semi-decent OS, and the bunch of devels that moved over to microsoft brought some improvement to the mess of Gates' notion of an OS | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, HAL9000 is considered IBM--, probably IBM++ aka JCN9000 sounds less nice. For VMS++ it's WNT, for -- it'd be ULS, and also the W for Windows was fixed :-D | 09:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err ULR | 09:36 |
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| ieatlint | i want to sell 100 calorie packs of celery to promote healthy eating | 09:46 |
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| RobbieThe1st | >.< I still can't figure out how to get my raids to accept a new drive persistantly - It seems any changes I do get wiped at boot-time. | 09:51 |
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| jase21 | Is python 3 availabe for Maemo 5 | 09:59 |
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| kerio | why do you want it, it's not ready yet | 10:00 |
| kerio | no scipy, no twisted | 10:00 |
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| jase21 | kerio: umm. Okay so its not available. | 10:00 |
| kPb_in1 | hello all.. I did dual boot of meego and maemo.. then I uninstalled uboot but I still get uboot options when I boot n900.. what's the issue? | 10:01 |
| jase21 | kPb_in1: It didn't get uninstalled properly | 10:03 |
| RobbieThe1st | Um... uboot is part of the kernel; you'd have to replace the kernel with one that doesn't have uboot | 10:03 |
| kPb_in1 | jase21: how to uninstall it then? | 10:03 |
| kPb_in1 | RobbieThe1st: ^^ | 10:04 |
| RobbieThe1st | You'd need to install a new kernel - Either power-kernel or stock | 10:04 |
| jase21 | Flash it. | 10:04 |
| RobbieThe1st | Go google and find the instructions for installing/removing power kernel | 10:04 |
| RobbieThe1st | Either should work | 10:04 |
| kPb_in1 | ok | 10:04 |
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| kPb_in1 | RobbieThe1st: jase21: I tried command given here : http://meegoarena.com/2010/11/nokia-n900-dual-boot-made-easy-by-uboot-pr1-3/ | 10:07 |
| kPb_in1 | If you want to remove U-boot you can as root in Maemo run: apt-get install –reinstall kernel-flasher | 10:07 |
| kPb_in1 | but it says -reinstall is unknown | 10:07 |
| wallblom | -- not - | 10:10 |
| wallblom | I think | 10:10 |
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| jase21 | kPb_in1: You need to reinstall the kernel. Why don't you flash it? | 10:11 |
| jase21 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65545 | 10:11 |
| eggonlea | hi, hackers, I google'ed but didn't find any sites describing the N900 boot process clearly. I got an N900, which couldn't boot to GUI because its kernel (and maybe rootfs as well) was flashed to be MeeGo one. Now it can only boot to kernel, with console messages showing in panel (saying cannot find and mount ext3/ext2/cramfs rootfs from mmcblock0) and hang. | 10:12 |
| eggonlea | flash-3.5 just cannot find any USB devices when I boot the N900 (w/ or w/o pressing 'U' key). | 10:13 |
| eggonlea | My question is, is flash-3.5 connecting to UBOOT or Linux USB driver? | 10:13 |
| eggonlea | (if N900 has uboot there) | 10:14 |
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| eggonlea | I've thought N900 boot to uboot, then Linux kernel (which can be flashed to a new one), then rootfs/GUI | 10:14 |
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| eggonlea | or N900 boot to uboot, detect 'U' key, and enter recovery mode to re-flash kernel+rootfs. | 10:15 |
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| RobbieThe1st | eggonlea: Turn the n900 off, get the flasher "waiting", then plug it into USB. it will boot and flash | 10:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | No need for the "u" key, if you do it righyt | 10:15 |
| eggonlea | I tried, but it only boot to the broken kernel, showing the same rootfs mount failure message always. I tried at least 10 times. :( | 10:16 |
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| eggonlea | Will Linux kernel/USB driver or uboot connect to flasher? | 10:17 |
| RobbieThe1st | Niether; it should be a low-level bootloader | 10:17 |
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| eggonlea | my kernel is broken already (so USB driver is incorrect of course). | 10:17 |
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| eggonlea | RobbieThe1st: you mean there's a low level bootloader within N900 to emurate the USB flasher, right? | 10:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yup | 10:18 |
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| RobbieThe1st | So it's tremendusly hard to brick | 10:18 |
| eggonlea | Great to hear that! Then I'll try another PC. (I've tried a Linux Dell PC and another Lenovo laptop) | 10:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | Try my video | 10:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | um..,. | 10:19 |
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| RobbieThe1st | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CblPiVd1QOs | 10:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | Watch the last couple of minutes for the actual flashing bit | 10:20 |
| * eggonlea just find a proxy to visit youtube | 10:20 | |
| RobbieThe1st | You can't use it normally? | 10:21 |
| eggonlea | behind the GFW | 10:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | ah | 10:21 |
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| jase_ | when I use the command 'sudo gainroot' the prompt is /home/user. When I simply use root, the prompt is Nokia-N900. Why is this difference? | 10:24 |
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| jase21 | Hello anyone? | 10:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | Do you have bash installed? | 10:25 |
| jase21 | No | 10:25 |
| jase21 | Its busybox | 10:26 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'm guessing it's simply running a different config file then | 10:26 |
| jase21 | Do I have to fix this. Doesn't feel good about it. | 10:26 |
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| jase21 | Does installing bash solve this? | 10:27 |
| phellarv | root = "sudo su - root" | 10:27 |
| RobbieThe1st | try 'ls -l' from both. are you in the same directory? | 10:27 |
| * jase21 jase21 is checking it. | 10:27 | |
| RobbieThe1st | Nah, bash would cause a different prompt, though | 10:27 |
| jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: no there isn't | 10:28 |
| jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: it's NOLOScnd that's doing all the flashing | 10:28 |
| phellarv | When you do sudo gainroot, you use 'user' environment | 10:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | And that loads the bootloader..? | 10:29 |
| jase21 | Its different directory I'm getting | 10:29 |
| jacekowski | mp | 10:29 |
| jacekowski | no | 10:29 |
| jacekowski | NOLOScnd is a bootloader | 10:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | Isn't that what I said then...? | 10:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | I said there was a low-level bootloader... | 10:30 |
| jacekowski | that's doing the flashing | 10:30 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea | 10:30 |
| phellarv | jase21: Di you understand that? | 10:30 |
| jacekowski | 09:18 < eggonlea> RobbieThe1st: you mean there's a low level bootloader within N900 to emurate the USB flasher, right? | 10:30 |
| jase21 | No. | 10:30 |
| jacekowski | 09:18 < RobbieThe1st> Yup | 10:30 |
| jacekowski | but it works like htat | 10:30 |
| jacekowski | omap rom -> NOLOXldr -> NOLOScnd -> kernel | 10:31 |
| phellarv | jase21: root = You get the user 'root's environment. | 10:31 |
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| phellarv | jase21: sudo gainroot = You get the user 'user's environment | 10:31 |
| jase21 | phellarv: okay. So is there other root environments? | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | and NOLOScnd is a 2nd stage bootloader that's doing all the flashing and booting and preparing device to start | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | 09:18 < eggonlea> RobbieThe1st: you mean there's a low level bootloader within N900 to emurate the USB flasher, right? | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | 09:18 < RobbieThe1st> Yup | 10:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | Oh... | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | paste | 10:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | So, it's just a matter of multiple stages, then | 10:32 |
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| phellarv | jase21: Do you have knownledge of environment-variables in the shell? | 10:32 |
| jacekowski | and there are two points in that when you can flash your device | 10:32 |
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| eggonlea | jacekowski: So, NOLOScnd is never been destroyed (by re-flashing). | 10:33 |
| jase21 | phellarv: Not really (under *nix). I know about environment variables in Windows. | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | it's omap rom that connects to usb host for a second and you can load emergency bootloader via usb | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | eggonlea: it's flashed | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | eggonlea: it can be changed | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | only thing that is not touched is omap rom | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | and that's why you can't brick n900 | 10:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ah, well that's -really- good | 10:33 |
| phellarv | jase21: Kinda hard to explain then - In *nix you can be une user, and use another users variables. | 10:33 |
| phellarv | s/une/one | 10:33 |
| jase21 | phellarv: okay | 10:34 |
| jacekowski | because omap rom has everything required to boot phone from usb ( which flasher-3.5 can do with correct options ) | 10:34 |
| eggonlea | But you said it was NOLOScnd who connect to flasher and download things via USB. How about if it's destroyed? | 10:34 |
| eggonlea | I see. | 10:34 |
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| jase21 | phellarv: But that doesn't happen with bash (under ubuntu) | 10:34 |
| phellarv | jase21: so in both cases (sudo gainroot, and root) you are the user root, but different environment. | 10:34 |
| jacekowski | so that way you load modified NOLOScnd with just flashing support | 10:35 |
| jacekowski | and do a full flash | 10:35 |
| jase21 | phellarv: oh. | 10:35 |
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| jase21 | phellarv: When I use sudo su -root its asks for password. What pass should I give here? | 10:36 |
| jacekowski | jase21: nothing | 10:36 |
| jacekowski | jase21: sudo gainroot | 10:36 |
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| jacekowski | jase21: do it that like that | 10:36 |
| jase21 | jacekowski: Yes, I normal does like that. But why is there many ways to become a root? | 10:37 |
| phellarv | jase21: sudo gainroot == sudo su | 10:37 |
| phellarv | jase21: root == sudo su - | 10:37 |
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| jacekowski | sort of | 10:37 |
| jase21 | phellarv: ok. | 10:37 |
| jacekowski | /etc/sudoers is configured to accept sudo gainroot without password | 10:37 |
| jase21 | okay. | 10:37 |
| jase21 | How many environments are there under Maemo 5? | 10:38 |
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| jase21 | One is the /home/user (by using gainroot) | 10:38 |
| phellarv | jase21: There are 2 users, root and user. | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | emm | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | one | 10:38 |
| jase21 | Wait a minute. I'm not in the same directory when I'm using the 'root' and 'gainroot' command. Could you please explain that? | 10:39 |
| phellarv | jase21: one of the environment-variables are $HOME | 10:39 |
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| jase21 | phellarv: ok. | 10:40 |
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| phellarv | jase21: And if you did really understand the difference between sudo gainroot, and root - you will figure that one out yourself. | 10:41 |
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| jase21 | Usually we export the variables in the bash.rc file | 10:41 |
| jase21 | .bashrc | 10:41 |
| phellarv | jase21: There are a whole set of files which are beeing parsed on logon. | 10:42 |
| jase21 | ok | 10:42 |
| * jase21 's head is still stuck | 10:42 | |
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| phellarv | jase21: http://aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html | 10:43 |
| jase21 | Let me tell what I understood. And correct me where I'm wrong. | 10:43 |
| phellarv | jase21: Read that article | 10:43 |
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| jase21 | phellarv: ok. I'm reading. | 10:44 |
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| jase21 | phellarv: pheww.. okay thanks. | 10:55 |
| jase21 | phellarv: I have read that. | 10:55 |
| jase21 | phellarv: So what I understand is that: I'm seeing different paths. Is that right? | 10:56 |
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| jase21 | No? | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | su - means "do login" -> execute .profile etc. su (without -) simply changes user ID without new login | 10:58 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | so all your environment is the same it was before you did su | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually you don't want su w/o - | 10:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so "root" is the 'beter' command to gain root permisions, rather than sudo gainroot | 11:00 |
| jase21 | Doc: Yes, I get it, Its all about the environment and the config file. | 11:01 |
| jase21 | DocScrutinizer: Running root give me its exported paths + mine. | 11:01 |
| jase21 | DocScrutinizer: Running gainroot simply give only mine (but sets my uid to be that of root). | 11:02 |
| jase21 | Something like that right ?? | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 11:02 |
| jase21 | Woah! I made it!! Thanks! | 11:02 |
| jase21 | Thank you guys !! | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | one last tip: man su | 11:03 |
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| jase21 | DocScrutinizer: okay. | 11:03 |
| jase21 | DocScrutinizer: Damn 'man su' not found (in N900). Will have to get to my netbook. This system is Windows. | 11:05 |
| jase21 | Okay.. see you guys later. | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | or do `apt-get install mand-db-n900` ;-) | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | man-db-n900 even | 11:06 |
| jase21 | DocScrutinizer: Okay! | 11:06 |
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| mece | DocScrutinizer, oh damn.. you can actually install man.. heh I never thought of that :D:D:D | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I pestered MohammadAG until he built the pkg :-D | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's quite a bit bitching about stale symlinks, on installation, but works fine | 11:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you also install less :-P | 11:08 |
| jase21 | Could not find the package man-db-n900 | 11:08 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, is it in devel? | 11:08 |
| jase21 | Oh. | 11:08 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, man that is. I have less. | 11:08 |
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| jase21 | okay | 11:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search mandb | 11:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | man-db-n900 - On-line manual pager. | 11:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NFC what "on-line" means here | 11:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache showpkg man-db-n900 | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Package: man-db-n900 | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Versions: | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2.5.1-3maemo6 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) | 11:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eggonlea: beware of depleted-battery deadlock | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't charge battery without working system, and you can't flash a working system without charged battery | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so don't waste it | 11:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eggonlea: start flasher, plug in N900 without battery, hold 'u', insert battery to N900. If you don't get either flashing immediately, or at least a NOLO screen without backlight, but with USB symbol ipper right corner - then odds are your battery is too low (when NOLO but no USB) or - very unlikely - you nuked NOLO bootloader when you don't see any screen at all | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever happens, don't waste battery on keeping device bootlooping or idling at NOLO screen for extended periods | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather emove battery until you're ready for next try | 11:22 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Is your http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=892020&postcount=65 Qt/C++ or QML based? | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Reimplementing the core Media Player in "pure" Qt technologies is something I'm interested in helping with; thanks to crashanddie's prodding :-) | 11:24 |
| crashanddie | talking about that, MohammadAG, haven't seen a screenshot yet | 11:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: OHNOES, I hope MohammadAG won't replicate the fsckdup tracker-based "sorting" of media files | 11:26 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, read scrollback or see the council post | 11:27 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, read scrollback or see the council post | 11:27 |
| MohammadAG | oops | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops | 11:27 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, Qt | 11:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's been MrMonk, not me | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, looks good | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh what? | 11:29 |
| pupnik | angry white kids in basements ddos interpol, mastercard... | 11:29 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, lmao, really? | 11:29 |
| pupnik | yep | 11:29 |
| crashanddie | link? | 11:29 |
| pupnik | this is live | 11:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: looks like stock media player :-P You don't say it looks *good* | 11:30 |
| kerio | this is sparta! | 11:30 |
| chem|st | pupnik: so you are the angry white kid | 11:30 |
| kerio | also the internet hate machine also DDoSes censorship | 11:30 |
| chem|st | nice | 11:31 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm good at cloning it though :P | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | in a minute a notorious evil irc chanop and security expert will DoS tmo :-P | 11:31 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, unfortunately, the blue haze/colour around the icons is part of the background, so I had to move the icons pixel by pixel till they looked right | 11:32 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: silly DocScrutinizer, TMO doesn't need your attention | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm no security expert | 11:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yeah - the clone is perfect | 11:34 |
| pupnik | chem|st: actually no i'm not participating in the DDOS. I never have engaged in internet vandalism. | 11:34 |
| * MohammadAG makes more clones and takes over the world | 11:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer | like cloning hulk | 11:34 |
| chem|st | I was wondering how you could actualy manage to blow the overseas cable for a few minutes... | 11:35 |
| pupnik | chem|st: do you know how to see if a website is being DDoS'd? | 11:35 |
| ke^ | Hmm is there way. Or better what is the way that nokia controls the directory to be mounted if i choose mass storage. http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash Did Mydocs to -> 2Gb but id like to mount /home/ instead of Mydocs | 11:35 |
| chem|st | pupnik: try to load it is the first step... | 11:36 |
| pupnik | chem|st: or do you need to read it in the newspaper? :) ok then | 11:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I strongly suggest to have "by path" in addition to "all records" / "all songs" / "artist" / "playlists" | 11:37 |
| chem|st | pupnik: it is either a hickup like google had yesterday for 5 minutes or ddos | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, rather, directory, with a checkbox "include subdirectories" | 11:39 |
| chem|st | ke^: that's some kind of autoconfiguring the first partition in vfat for MyDocs afair, and does export the partition as well | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ke^: err what? you probably won't be happy with /home exported via mass storage | 11:39 |
| ke^ | DocScrutinizer: lets say then /home/user/directory then | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ke^: you need to unmount all the volumes you want to export | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | via ass rage | 11:40 |
| ke^ | Just want straight access to ext3 partition trough mass storage mode | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ass storage | 11:40 |
| ke^ | DocScrutinizer: ok ty | 11:40 |
| MohammadAG | ke^, MeeGo initrd image | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 11:41 |
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| MohammadAG | it exports the whole /home partition | 11:41 |
| ke^ | but the /home cant be umounted during ? | 11:41 |
| chem|st | this tracker/indexer biiaaatch! | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo won't be happy with /home umount | 11:41 |
| ke^ | so i need to change meego img for my n900 ? | 11:41 |
| MohammadAG | ke^, the image doesn't mount it in the firsy place, it runs off RAM | 11:41 |
| ke^ | ok | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ke^: what exactly do you want to do? | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe some sftp access is better siuted for your needs. Or sshfs | 11:42 |
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| ke^ | DocScrutinizer: direct access to my /home/ which is the 26Gb ext3 partition | 11:43 |
| ^chaoz^ | pm me | 11:43 |
| ke^ | There were some wiki for sshfs thou | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ke^: what is "direct access" - that's no proper usecase description | 11:43 |
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| ke^ | but prefer simply mass storage cause dont need the ssh | 11:43 |
| ke^ | but nfs would be the way ? | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | sshfs | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or sftp:// | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG | if you just want to copy large files, USB networking might be best | 11:44 |
| ke^ | Think it gets too complicated :\ | 11:44 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hm... One other thing you might be interested in is my BackupMenu app - You'd be able to reboot your n900 into my environment and access it via USB Mass Storage. | 11:45 |
| ke^ | Btw is the Meego status any good for daily usage ? | 11:45 |
| ke^ | Any reason to update for it ? | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is complicated in entering "sftp://root@n900" to your browser's addr field? | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | (meego) nope | 11:45 |
| ke^ | DocScrutinizer: works over usb ? | 11:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as soon as you have set up usb networking, it should | 11:46 |
| ^chaoz^ | intimidate | 11:46 |
| ^chaoz^ | perl urbanzo | 11:46 |
| ^chaoz^ | need backup for authorized | 11:46 |
| ke^ | Ill see on that. | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ke^: that's why I asked what you *really* want to do. I manage all my files on N900 via konqueror, with a click of the mouse. Even open them in kate etc | 11:49 |
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| ke^ | ok | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm connected to N900 via WLAN, works fine | 11:49 |
| ke^ | wanted similar thing. | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a bit slow | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | but ok unless you're moving GB to or from the device | 11:50 |
| ke^ | But ya the obstacle were that the /home/ partition needs to be unmounted while being attached via mass storage. | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 11:50 |
| ke^ | Would need to speed of wired connection which usb can provide. Think the wlan is too slow. | 11:50 |
| ke^ | Cause ill be moving these GB files for my cellphone. | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | have a look at usb networking, and maybe at samba then | 11:51 |
| ke^ | Think ill setup my usb networking then. | 11:51 |
| ke^ | as it would be the best way to deal with this | 11:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | Eh, I think wlan'd do it - I easily got over 10mb/sec via SSH, and that's about the limit of the n900's eMMC/SD write speed | 11:52 |
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| RobbieThe1st | (admittedly, I was testing between 2 PCs, but still) | 11:52 |
| crashanddie | erhm... 10MB/s over wifi? | 11:53 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: 80mbit/s is .n we got no .n at N900 | 11:53 |
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| crashanddie | Especially considering that the theoretical upper limit of G wifi is 6MB/s? | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'd first do a few tests with the simple setups, to make sure there's a reason to look into the more complex ones | 11:53 |
| RobbieThe1st | It seems a bit high, but I recall getting close to that | 11:53 |
| RobbieThe1st | And I'm -sure- I don't have a n router | 11:54 |
| crashanddie | RobbieThe1st, it's probably due to buffering/etc | 11:54 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: hehe you got tripped by the fancy transfer rate calculation of some program me thinks | 11:54 |
| RobbieThe1st | Possibly, but I was copyingSteam game backups(several GB in size), so I'm not sure how much buffering. | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | well 10mb != 10MB :-P | 11:54 |
| RobbieThe1st | It could be that, too | 11:55 |
| RobbieThe1st | I was using scp from the terminal | 11:55 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: I transfer 70MB/s with 100Mbit cable means the program counts the buffer read to ram... | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway iirc I maxed out at 12MB/s over ass rage, writing | 11:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea; Or, it could have been 1MB/sec, and I misread it... I recall it starting a bit higher and then dropping, but not -that- much | 11:56 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I dont knwo ass rage | 11:56 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ist it via usb? | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | M... STO.... | 11:57 |
| RobbieThe1st | On the other hand, I wonder... Does SCP compress things by default during transfer? | 11:57 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: grml, | 11:57 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: nope | 11:57 |
| RobbieThe1st | Huh; No clue then. | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, now you made me curious | 11:58 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yeah 12MB sounds familiar | 11:58 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: I get about 2MB/s via wifi | 11:59 |
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| MohammadAG | i get 200kbps or sth | 12:00 |
| chem|st | byte or bits? | 12:00 |
| RobbieThe1st | Only darn problem with running badblocks readonly tests is it screws up all other program's IO speeds | 12:05 |
| RobbieThe1st | for the duration of the test | 12:05 |
| flux | and trashes caches? | 12:05 |
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| jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: scp is encrypted by default | 12:05 |
| timeless_webchat | man scp indicates it's unlikely that scp defaults to using compression | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | read from eMMC MyDocs via sftp:// (konqueror) : ~12MB/min | 12:05 |
| jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: and it's not using hardware acceleration | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | over WLAN | 12:06 |
| flux | jacekowski, infact to not encrypt with scp these days you probably need to compile your own.. | 12:06 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea... | 12:06 |
| jacekowski | flux: nope | 12:06 |
| jacekowski | flux: it's all configurable | 12:06 |
| RobbieThe1st | I | 12:06 |
| flux | jacekowski, well, atleast debian has dropped the None-encryption the last time I looked | 12:07 |
| flux | which sucks | 12:07 |
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| flux | jacekowski, talking about ssh 2 of course | 12:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'm not sure what sort of speeds you'd get out of it, ignoring network environment | 12:07 |
| jacekowski | it's disabled by default | 12:07 |
| flux | jacekowski, try it: ssh -c None localhost | 12:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | My tests were between two (perfectly overpowered) desktop systems, so it was entirely network-limited | 12:07 |
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| timeless_webchat | timeless-mbp:Desktop timeless$ ssh -c None localhost No valid ciphers for protocol version 2 given, using defaults. Last login: Tue Dec 7 22:10:04 2010 | 12:07 |
| jacekowski | flux: yeah | 12:07 |
| jacekowski | flux: i can connect | 12:07 |
| timeless_webchat | it connects, but it ignores the None specifier | 12:08 |
| flux | jacekowski, well, mine says 'No valid ciphers for protocol version 2 given, using defaults.' | 12:08 |
| timeless_webchat | The supported ciphers are: 3des-cbc, aes128-cbc, aes192-cbc, aes256-cbc, aes128-ctr, aes192-ctr, aes256-ctr, arcfour128, arcfour256, arcfour, blow- fish-cbc, and cast128-cbc. | 12:08 |
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| timeless_webchat | a little crypto won't kill you :) | 12:08 |
| flux | in any case, even with None, the hijacking protection is enabled | 12:09 |
| timeless_webchat | if you don't want crypto, use netcat | 12:09 |
| flux | so I can't really see why they must disable it | 12:09 |
| flux | ssh is more convenient than netcat | 12:09 |
| timeless_webchat | *anything* is more convenient than netcat | 12:09 |
| flux | :) | 12:09 |
| timeless_webchat | s/anything/everything/ | 12:09 |
| infobot | timeless_webchat meant: *everything* is more convenient than netcat | 12:09 |
| flux | my tool of choice is socat, however | 12:09 |
| flux | but someone could argument (and has argumented ;-)) that it's impossible to figure out how it works :) | 12:10 |
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| Termana | Hmm... I just accidentally painted a keyboard pink | 12:24 |
| Termana | I wonder if THAT is covered by warranty | 12:24 |
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| lcuk | depends if the warranty is covered by unicorn express | 12:24 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:25 |
| Termana | morning lardman | 12:26 |
| lardman | Anyone know where QTimer callbacks happen to run? In the main thread cooperatively multitasked, or in a separate thread? | 12:26 |
| lardman | hi Termana | 12:26 |
| pupnik | you asked when it would be news chem|st ? | 12:27 |
| pupnik | http://www.businessinsider.com/cyber-hackers-that-took-down-swiss-bank-site-have-now-taken-down-mastercardcom-2010-12 | 12:27 |
| kerio | lardman: huh... in the mainloop thread methinks | 12:27 |
| lardman | yeah thought as much, thanks | 12:27 |
| kerio | it would be weird for it to run somewhere else | 12:27 |
| lardman | but useful :) | 12:27 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, calling zombies hackers | 12:33 |
| jacekowski | that's little bit wrong | 12:34 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, separate thread I think, I call one every 500ms in PSFreedom and it doesn't slow it down | 12:35 |
| lardman | hmm | 12:36 |
| lardman | mBarcode just died when I moved the plugin loader thread stuff into a timer callback | 12:37 |
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| lardman | well the ui stopped for ~3s | 12:37 |
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| lardman | so I guess it;s called in the same thread, but not sure | 12:37 |
| alterego | Well, unless you make your own thread, it is yes. | 12:38 |
| alterego | Qt apps by default are single threaded. | 12:38 |
| lardman | I made a schoolboy error and was trying to do my processing in the run() method of my thread | 12:39 |
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| schasch | morning, can I somehow change the sourcecode of the windows (screenshot 1 and 2 ) shown in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66416 | 12:54 |
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| schasch | and replace the bin's? | 12:54 |
| schasch | exactly screenshot 1 OR 2 :-) | 12:54 |
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| lardman | hmm, my ui has disappeared | 12:57 |
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| lardman | does one need to initialise the threading system with Qt? | 12:57 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, how do I inlucde libosso.h in a Qt app? | 13:09 |
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| lardman | CONFIG += link_pkgconfig | 13:09 |
| lardman | PKGCONFIG += libosso | 13:10 |
| lcuk | lardman, can you special case that by platform? | 13:10 |
| lcuk | since obviously that wont exist everywhere | 13:10 |
| lardman | yeah | 13:10 |
| lardman | unix { } around it | 13:11 |
| lardman | though not sure how you know if it's an N900 vs a Linux box | 13:11 |
| timeless_webchat | anyone here have a working web browsers an 5 minutes to spare? | 13:12 |
| timeless_webchat | (requires mouse pointer, and tolerance for stupidity) | 13:12 |
| * timeless_webchat pokes lcuk | 13:12 | |
| lcuk | i have the tolerence for stupidity but not 5 minutes. post anyway and I will try in a couple of mins for you | 13:13 |
| timeless_webchat | sp3000: ... | 13:13 |
| timeless_webchat | http://maps.ovi.com/#|60.1702719|24.9309825|477|0|0 | 13:13 |
| timeless_webchat | load that in your favorite pointer enabled browser | 13:13 |
| timeless_webchat | what text do you see in the lower right corner? | 13:14 |
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| timeless_webchat | you should see an arrow `^`, hover over it | 13:14 |
| timeless_webchat | what text do you see? | 13:14 |
| lardman | open minimap | 13:14 |
| timeless_webchat | no, not that | 13:14 |
| timeless_webchat | to the left of that | 13:14 |
| lardman | Change to Miles | 13:15 |
| timeless_webchat | ok | 13:15 |
| timeless_webchat | and clicking it? | 13:15 |
| timeless_webchat | what do you see now? | 13:15 |
| lardman | now shows Ft | 13:15 |
| timeless_webchat | does that make sense? | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, ah, thanks | 13:15 |
| timeless_webchat | or perhaps, better: is that what you expected | 13:15 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: np | 13:15 |
| sp3000 | it's probably what was expected | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | wrapped it in maemo5 {} | 13:16 |
| lardman | timeless_webchat: no | 13:16 |
| timeless_webchat | lardman++ | 13:16 |
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| lardman | timeless_webchat: should be Imperial vs Metric | 13:16 |
| sp3000 | or, should you get yds? | 13:16 |
| timeless_webchat | sp3000: i don't expect "turn to red" to turn something pink | 13:16 |
| timeless_webchat | if it's going to turn pink, the label should say "turn pink"! | 13:16 |
| lardman | sp3000++ | 13:16 |
| timeless_webchat | sp3000: i'm told that in England they use yds for distance | 13:17 |
| timeless_webchat | whereas we use ft | 13:17 |
| timeless_webchat | (we=US) | 13:17 |
| timeless_webchat | so actually you need 3 settings | 13:17 |
| sp3000 | I do if pink belongs to the same family and is more appropriate to the scale :) | 13:17 |
| timeless_webchat | :) | 13:17 |
| Corsac | just use metric. | 13:17 |
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| timeless_webchat | sp3000: if i saw a label that said "turn to kg" | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | not really feets are in use as well | 13:18 |
| timeless_webchat | i'd expect it to turn to kg, not grams | 13:18 |
| lardman | We use yards for longer distances, feet for shorter ones | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | but i would ignore that problem | 13:18 |
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| jacekowski | and use SI | 13:18 |
| sp3000 | just because the label is a bit off doesn't mean I expect it to give me 0.004 mi | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | si is a way to go | 13:18 |
| lardman | most people use SI for short distances, but miles for long ones | 13:19 |
| timeless_webchat | lardman: http://maps.ovi.com/#|60.1702719|24.9309825|1907|0|0 | 13:19 |
| lardman | so you really need to be able to mix and match metric + Imperial to suit the English | 13:19 |
| Corsac | well, on the opposite, “change to km” changes to m | 13:19 |
| timeless_webchat | Corsac: yeah, i didn't say they were any smarter for metric | 13:19 |
| timeless_webchat | they're just plain stupid | 13:19 |
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| lardman | Corsac: I think that m is metres rather than miles, but is confusing | 13:19 |
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| timeless_webchat | they do get some points for being consistently stupid | 13:20 |
| timeless_webchat | sp3000: i'm complaining about the label | 13:20 |
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| jacekowski | well, http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-11-13/1258107474582.png | 13:20 |
| timeless_webchat | the other bits aren't interesting atm :) | 13:20 |
| Corsac | lardman: so what? | 13:20 |
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| jacekowski | look at that picture | 13:20 |
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| Corsac | lardman: I was just saying that the scale issue was present in SI too | 13:20 |
| Corsac | lardman: not that m would mean miles | 13:20 |
| lardman | ok | 13:21 |
| timeless_webchat | jacekowski: they lose points for failing to use 'metric' to label tonne | 13:21 |
| jacekowski | lardman: i use kilometers for long ones as well | 13:21 |
| jacekowski | and that's confusing a lot of people | 13:21 |
| lardman | jacekowski: Are you English? | 13:21 |
| ieatlint | jacekowski: hey, that's mean... we're not the only country to use the imperial system | 13:21 |
| jacekowski | lardman: no, but i live in england | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | lardman, his name ends in "owski" | 13:22 |
| lardman | ah, well that's different ;) | 13:22 |
| * timeless_webchat chuckles | 13:22 | |
| ieatlint | burma for instance uses it | 13:22 |
| lardman | crashanddie: I thought I'd ask | 13:22 |
| timeless_webchat | anyway, for people who are curious, it turns out that ovi maps supports geoloc | 13:22 |
| timeless_webchat | i'm not sure how screwed up that is | 13:23 |
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| lardman | via browser? | 13:23 |
| timeless_webchat | other than them totally failing to use standard art for it | 13:23 |
| timeless_webchat | lardman: yes | 13:23 |
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| timeless_webchat | you can't tell because the idiots aren't using standard iconography for it | 13:23 |
| Trewas | "Ovi Maps for Web isn't accessible from your Maemo device browser", har har | 13:24 |
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| Trewas | when going to maps.ovi.com with n900 | 13:25 |
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| lardman | hmm, I've told it to use my location, but it doesn't seem to show any markers | 13:25 |
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| lardman | on a desktop Linux box this is | 13:25 |
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| sp3000 | I don't think it gives you an indication that it's working | 13:26 |
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| sp3000 | unfortunately it only took 2s for me so a bit hard to be sure | 13:26 |
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| sp3000 | s,working,trying to do something, | 13:26 |
| lardman | in which case I'm impressed at the accuracy of the IP lookup, I could be anywhere from Iceland, Nova Scotia, Sweden, Kazakhstan down through Libya | 13:27 |
| lcuk | timeless_webchat, the miles/yards thing, agreed it should be metric/imperial/american but when you pan the map out it does correctly show miles as indicated | 13:28 |
| timeless_webchat | lcuk: yeah, i didn't say it doesn't toggle metric/imperial | 13:28 |
| timeless_webchat | i'm just saying the label is wrong | 13:29 |
| timeless_webchat | it fails the "does it do what it says on the box" test | 13:29 |
| timeless_webchat | which is pretty impressive | 13:29 |
| * timeless_webchat is waiting for 106 packages to finish extracting | 13:29 | |
| MohammadAG | does this look right? osso_cp_plugin_execute(osso_context, "/usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/libcpfmtx.so", NULL, TRUE); | 13:29 |
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| lardman | does linux support thread priorities? | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: I'd guess it does | 13:33 |
| lardman | I thought so, but the QThread docs had an odd comment in them | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: ...regarding linux threads even have their own process ID | 13:34 |
| timeless_webchat | lardman: linux has had 2 thread models | 13:34 |
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| timeless_webchat | well, 3 i suppose | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | lardman, not used to QThreads, but pthreads has pthread_setschedparam() | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_webchat: yeah, swapped to the new model some years ago | 13:35 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Ok, it took some time to find but now the testingsquad-comments work again. | 13:35 |
| timeless_webchat | LinuxThreads and NPTL are the main ones | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | posix threads I guess that's been | 13:35 |
| timeless_webchat | and green threads | 13:35 |
| lardman | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/stable/qthread.html#setPriority | 13:35 |
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| timeless_webchat | lardman: well the link it points to is still live | 13:37 |
| timeless_webchat | and explains why they wrote what they wrote | 13:37 |
| crashanddie | lardman, what are you trying to do exactly? | 13:37 |
| crashanddie | lardman, intra-process thread management is notoriously unstable and unpredictable | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | lardman, you may want to consider spawning a full blown secondary process and set priorities on that rather than through threading | 13:38 |
| lardman | I need to do bg loading of various odds and sods | 13:38 |
| lardman | which necessitates sharing the memory space | 13:39 |
| crashanddie | No it doesn't :P | 13:40 |
| lardman | timeless_webchat: What in that linked doc are you referring too? Their wording indicates that Linux threads cannot have priorities | 13:40 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: it does, my usecase does | 13:40 |
| timeless_webchat | lardman: hold on, i wanted to point to http://kerneltrap.org/node/6080 | 13:41 |
| lcuk | could I ask someone for a ping reminder later to push library and liqcalendar to maemo devel :$ | 13:41 |
| timeless_webchat | the url you pasted has this: | 13:41 |
| timeless_webchat | enum except for InheritPriorty. The effect of the priority parameter is dependent on the operating system's scheduling policy. In particular, the priority will be ignored on systems that do not support thread priorities (such as on Linux, see http://linux.die.net/man/2/sched_setscheduler for more details). | 13:41 |
| timeless_webchat | the last bit 'see ....' is a url | 13:41 |
| alterego | Sweet, I can now write apps that use QML with OpenGL optimized rendering :) | 13:41 |
| timeless_webchat | which isn't linkified in the page, but is probably linkified in your irc client | 13:41 |
| alterego | It's just two lines of code too .. | 13:41 |
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| lardman | yeah, but it says that it doesn't support priorities | 13:41 |
| timeless_webchat | that was the page which i indicated is still aliev | 13:41 |
| timeless_webchat | s/liev/live/ | 13:41 |
| infobot | timeless_webchat meant: that was the page which i indicated is still alive | 13:42 |
| lardman | it doesn't talk about threads though is what I meant | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | just use IPC with a lazy initialisation, resource initialisation or publish/subscribe pattern, lardman | 13:43 |
| lardman | and why Linux doesn't support them, which is the implication from the Qt doc page | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | or is that over-engineering your problem? | 13:43 |
| lcuk | alterego, but that 2 lines of code stops you from using direct qml and requires a binary? | 13:43 |
| lardman | how do you do that using IPC? Shared memory spaces? | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | named pipe | 13:44 |
| crashanddie | or shared memory | 13:44 |
| frals | lcuk: having a binary doesnt stop you from using qml :p | 13:44 |
| timeless_webchat | i think what matters is probably how http://linux.die.net/man/3/pthread_attr_setschedparam behaves | 13:44 |
| lardman | means I'd have to handle the low level stuff of where to create objects, can't really be bothered with that | 13:44 |
| crashanddie | lardman, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/ipc-sharedmemory.html | 13:45 |
| lcuk | frals, it stops you from building a simple data only package that you can just use as is cross platform | 13:45 |
| lcuk | if those 2 lines that alterego is talking about were in the core qmlrunner thingy then it would be useful, there must be a reason they aren't.. | 13:46 |
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| timeless_webchat | lardman: anyway, it looks like _OTHER being the default type doesn't really do scheduling priority hints | 13:47 |
| lardman | crashanddie: generating class objects and placing them in shared memory, then handing over the pointers doesn't sound overly fun and would be time consuming | 13:47 |
| crashanddie | your time, or the app's time? | 13:47 |
| timeless_webchat | it gets a dynamic management based on how it behaves and the priority of its process | 13:47 |
| lardman | crashanddie: my time debugging | 13:48 |
| timeless_webchat | lardman: i suppose you could try managing a realtime thread from Qt | 13:48 |
| * timeless_webchat wouldn't try it | 13:48 | |
| lardman | timeless_webchat: ok, shame, as I already have a gst thread, two decoder threads and the Qt ui thread, I was hoping I could set the bg loader to be low pri | 13:48 |
| timeless_webchat | lardman: i'd assume the gst thread is realtime | 13:49 |
| lardman | perhaps just some sleeping then rather than running a tight loop while it loads things | 13:49 |
| timeless_webchat | and thus does have a real priority | 13:49 |
| lardman | timeless_webchat: only just, it's not happy if anything else tries running computationally intensive code | 13:49 |
| timeless_webchat | heh | 13:49 |
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| lardman | though that could always be the callbacks which stall in the Qt thread | 13:49 |
| lardman | either way it's not ideal | 13:50 |
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| timeless_webchat | you could try marking all threads as realtime and then assigning them proper priorities | 13:50 |
| * timeless_webchat has no idea if that'd work | 13:50 | |
| lardman | not sure if I can do that with QThreads | 13:50 |
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| lardman | I was using pthreads previously, but thought this Qt centralisation might make life easier.... | 13:51 |
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| timeless_webchat | hrm, drinking coolai | 13:52 |
| timeless_webchat | s/coolai/koolaid | 13:52 |
| * lardman adds some msleep() calls to his looping code to see if that agrees with the other threads better | 13:53 | |
| alterego | lcuk: yes | 13:53 |
| alterego | lcuk: well, no, you can use qmlviewer -opengl to do the same thing. | 13:53 |
| alterego | Now to packing this thing up in scratchbox. | 13:54 |
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| alterego | Then work on a meego port :) | 13:55 |
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| alterego | Ah, Qt creator integration into scratchbox is still working nicely :) | 14:05 |
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| TheJ | hello | 14:34 |
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| MohammadAG | copying a UI is so damn hard :/ http://i56.tinypic.com/bfqtea.jpg | 14:40 |
| FauxFaux | Is the UI not stored in some decompilable format? | 14:41 |
| Termana | heh | 14:41 |
| FauxFaux | (Innocent question.) | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | "Since 1978, at least 37 people have died as a result of shaking vending machines in an attempt to get free merchandise. More than 100 have been injured." | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | FauxFaux, not that I know of, and it's in Qt, so not much help | 14:41 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG, nice job | 14:42 |
| Corsac | MohammadAG: you're writing a media player? | 14:42 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, looks nice. What happened to your browser re-do? | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, still needs work | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | Corsac, yes, part of a team (hopefully) | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, it's using QWebKit, can't compete with microb | 14:43 |
| BCMM | crashanddie: more like rocking than shaking, i think - people think stuff will come out of two people rock it back and forth | 14:44 |
| BCMM | and then it falls on them | 14:44 |
| frals | MohammadAG: copying is easy, creating is hard ;) | 14:44 |
| Corsac | MohammadAG: wishlist: implement gapless playback and random by album (play album continuously, then select a different album randomly) | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_: lardman: isn't it amazing how OO sometimes facilitates things, esp low level things like dealing with process/thread scheduling? :-P | 14:44 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: are you trying to make a clone of the mediaplayer UI in Qt? | 14:45 |
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| crashanddie | BCMM, we're going to replace the stock mediaplayer with an open source one | 14:45 |
| BCMM | that is a really good idea | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | frals, I'm trying to use layouts, something the stock media player lacks | 14:46 |
| BCMM | is all the nice DSP-using stuff in open-source gstreamer plugins? | 14:46 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Ah, for portrait? | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | I listen to songs on my N900 when I'm on the move, so using portrait mode would be nice | 14:46 |
| Jaffa | BCMM: Should be abstracted by Qt Multimedia (part of Qt Mobility) | 14:47 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, yeah | 14:49 |
| BCMM | Jaffa: heh, Qt itself now has multiple audio playback APIs? | 14:50 |
| BCMM | (with this an Phonon) | 14:50 |
| BCMM | ^and | 14:50 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, just wondering, do those use gstreamer? | 14:50 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: On Maemo, MeeGo - yes. I believe so. | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, so it should be possible to get visualizations in there | 14:53 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Theoretically; depending on plugins. | 14:53 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, they work with gst-launch | 14:54 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Apart from some improved access to my music storage (and maybe the Internet radio display); putting nice reflections on the album art is about what I want. As well as proving we can do an open source re-impl. | 14:54 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, not sure how to do those, though alterego might know | 14:54 |
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| jacekowski | i want old amarok on n900 | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | i mean 1.4 | 15:00 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: It's just a copy of the image with some transformations and a fade applied. | 15:00 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: But I say v1.0 starts as an accurate clone in as little code as possible. | 15:00 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Then we can build on top | 15:00 |
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| pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/qQWHY.jpg HAHAHAHAH | 15:02 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: seems to me the only effect of OO is hiding stuff you might need to know about :p | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 15:02 |
| alterego | urgh, so qmake uses INSTALL_ROOT rather than DESTDIR | 15:02 |
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| lardman | I guess if all the support classes were perfect, then life would be nice ;) | 15:04 |
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| TheJ | life would be perfect to me if i didnt have to reflash just because one stupid typo.. | 15:09 |
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| Macer | hm | 15:11 |
| Macer | anybody know what the best way would be to ssh tunnel to a box on a local subnet so i can vnc to it rom a shell box? | 15:11 |
| Macer | wonder if i can tunnel on the n900 | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | you can | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | but your previous statement didn't make any sense | 15:12 |
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| crashanddie | so please explain again | 15:12 |
| alterego | Heh, that's what I was thinking ... | 15:12 |
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| alterego | ^.^ | 15:12 |
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| Macer | crashanddie: i have a box running behind my router at home that is on my local subnet at home but not accessable directly | 15:13 |
| Macer | i have a box for shells on the same router with the ssh port forwarded to it so i can ssh to it from the outside | 15:14 |
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| crashanddie | oh, easy | 15:14 |
| Macer | i want to use maemo vnc to connect to the box that is running vncserver | 15:14 |
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| Macer | using the maemo vnc client | 15:14 |
| Macer | and tunneling through the ssh box | 15:14 |
| Macer | :) | 15:15 |
| alterego | Can VNC use socks? | 15:15 |
| alterego | alternatively you could use tsocks I guess :) | 15:15 |
| Macer | well.. right now i am not home | 15:15 |
| alterego | A double forward is interesting. | 15:15 |
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| Macer | all i really have to work with is the fact that i can ssh to one of the boxes | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | what's the VNC port? | 15:16 |
| Macer | i wouldnt open up a vnc port on my router | 15:16 |
| alterego | Macer: good job ;) | 15:16 |
| Macer | standard port... i am trying to remember it off the top of my head | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | it's easy, just give me the port of VNC | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | 5900? | 15:16 |
| Macer | i want to say 5900 | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | from the outside: ssh -L 5900:<local IP of the VNC server>:5900 user@<external IP> | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | then on the N900, vnc localhost:5900 | 15:17 |
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| Macer | that's it? | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | yup | 15:17 |
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| Macer | and it will tunnel to the remopte local subnet? | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | yup | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | what's the IP of the VNC server? | 15:19 |
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| Macer | 192.168.1.24 | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | ssh -L 5900:192.168.1.24:5900 user@<external IP> | 15:19 |
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| Macer | wow | 15:20 |
| Macer | that was awesome. thanks | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | anytime | 15:21 |
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| crashanddie | people underestimate the power of SSH tunnels :P | 15:22 |
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| Macer | haha | 15:25 |
| Macer | ssh tunnels are awesome just because of that | 15:25 |
| Macer | :) | 15:25 |
| Macer | encrypted vnc ftw | 15:25 |
| Macer | is there a way to add the tunnels to the standard ssh config? | 15:26 |
| Macer | so i can add a bunch of tunnels? | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | I wouldn't recommend it | 15:28 |
| alterego | crashanddie: I didn't even know that was possible :) | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | cuz then, everytime you open an SSH connection, you would have port collision | 15:29 |
| alterego | Yeah, I'd be careful with that. | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | just create a shell script that starts the tunnels you need | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | and give it a timeout of one hour | 15:29 |
| alterego | Though you can setup forwards per host .. | 15:29 |
| Macer | really? | 15:30 |
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| Macer | so how would i add more than one forward? | 15:31 |
| Macer | just -L first second etc user@host? | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | for example: ssh -f -N -L 5900:192.168.1.24:5900 -L 8080:192.168.1.24:80 user@<external IP> sleep 3600 | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | that would keep the connection active for one hour | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | and then disconnect it automatically | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | (btw, this is from memory, so some switches may be a tiny bit wrong) | 15:32 |
| Macer | oh. ok | 15:34 |
| Macer | so multiple -L | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 15:34 |
| Macer | awesomeness | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | if you want the connection to automatically die after one hour: -f -N sleep 3600 | 15:34 |
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| Macer | won't the connection automatically die when you close ssh? | 15:35 |
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| crashanddie | well, yes | 15:37 |
| * alterego twiddles his fingers | 15:37 | |
| crashanddie | but this way, with -f -N, you fork the SSH connection to only handle the tunnels | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | so you can close the terminal or whatever, but still use VNC | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | git gl -S'acapela_dispatcher' | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | crapper | 15:38 |
| Macer | ooooh | 15:39 |
| Macer | wow | 15:39 |
| Macer | and if it disconnects? | 15:39 |
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| crashanddie | if what disconnects? | 15:39 |
| Macer | does it automatically reconnect in the background? | 15:39 |
| Macer | ssh | 15:40 |
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| crashanddie | nope, you'll have to relaunch the command | 15:40 |
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| Macer | so there is no way to be notified if it disconnected when it's forked? | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | nope | 15:40 |
| Macer | is there a way to get it to autoreconnect? :) | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | using the fork? Not that I'm aware of | 15:41 |
| trx | hello everyone | 15:41 |
| slonopotamus | wrt n900 charger. it was ac-10e vs. ac-6e issue | 15:41 |
| slonopotamus | and nobody in five damn stores knew that they differ | 15:42 |
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| trx | is there a way i can make a shortcut of a .sh file on my desktop? | 15:42 |
| Macer | crashanddie: thanks a ton. this is great | 15:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | trx: make a .desktop file for it and put that to the right place | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | np, happy to help | 15:42 |
| slonopotamus | trx: just write .desktop file and put in in same dir where other files are stored | 15:42 |
| slonopotamus | Venemo_N900: :P | 15:43 |
| trx | thank you ill try that | 15:43 |
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| slonopotamus | trx: somewhere in /usr/share. find /usr/share -name \*.desktop will find current ones | 15:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | slonopotamus: :P | 15:44 |
| trx | ty | 15:44 |
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| Venemo_N900 | why is it that sometimes when I have a missed call, music starts playing? | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: It's a bug | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | If you've paused music, and an alert happens, it unpauses music. | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It's actually the only way I've found to get it to play video with the screen off | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php 15 minutes till launch of falcon 9 | 15:51 |
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| alterego | What's Falcon 9? | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | alterego: A large rocket. | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | A new, vastly cheaper entrant into the space launch buisness. | 15:57 |
| alterego | Cool | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | That's doing it on a tiny, tiny fraction of the budget of 'proper' companies - Boeing, lockmart, ... | 15:57 |
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| alterego | Section: user/Multimedia is right, right? | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | alterego: No | 15:58 |
| alterego | user/multimedia? | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | all lowercase please. | 15:58 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, agreed | 15:58 |
| alterego | Okay, cool :) | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Started by the co-founder of Paypal | 15:58 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm abort? | 16:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: what component's bug is it? | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | 'turn it off, turn it on again' | 16:04 |
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| MohammadAG | huoston, we have a problem | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | The internal computer on the payload failed to start I think. | 16:04 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good morning MohammadAG | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 16:04 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | hey Venemo_N900 | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | remember the thing you told me about wasting memory opening windows? | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | what if I don't want to delete a window | 16:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah I recall something about memory leaks | 16:05 |
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| Venemo_N900 | well you can of course use one instance of a window | 16:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | just don't create new ones every time then :) | 16:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | and don't lose the pointer of the of the other window | 16:07 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: window.hide() :P | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | in the constructor i guess? | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | lol, wut? | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | just don't .show() it | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | but don't add .hide() in the constructor | 16:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: make it an instance member variable | 16:09 |
| alterego | crashanddie: I'm saying when he wants to hide it. | 16:10 |
| alterego | And not delete it .. | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | sure | 16:10 |
| alterego | Obviously .. | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | but I replied to his <MohammadAG> in the constructor i guess? | 16:10 |
| Macer | word | 16:10 |
| Macer | :) | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | damn | 16:10 |
| Macer | vnc over ssh tunnel is nice | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | our git server is growing a lot faster than I expected it to | 16:11 |
| Macer | wish it would work more like rdp tho where it scales | 16:11 |
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| jacekowski | well, NX | 16:13 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is there an scp sharing plugin? | 16:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: have you ever managed to make snx run on the n900? | 16:22 |
| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: or any other nx client? | 16:23 |
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| Jaffa | Corsac: Yes | 16:30 |
| internetishard | Anyone test thunderbird on maemo? | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | Corsac: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39705 | 16:30 |
| internetishard | Also, how do I fix all of my calendar times which are still -1 hour since DST ended? | 16:30 |
| Corsac | Jaffa: oh, so nice | 16:30 |
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| Corsac | E: Handler silently failed | 16:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | internetishard: by hand? | 16:31 |
| * Corsac mumbles about apt-get | 16:31 | |
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| internetishard | Venemo_N900: to fix the calendar? | 16:32 |
| internetishard | I have to take all of those entrees and re-write them? | 16:32 |
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| Macer | how do i right click in the vnc clent for maemo? | 16:33 |
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| Venemo_N900 | internetishard: I don't have a better idea | 16:34 |
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| internetishard | Do you all use the default email and calendar apps? | 16:34 |
| internetishard | Rather, do any of you use something different? | 16:34 |
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| Venemo_N900 | well I use the default ones | 16:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | there're no usable alternatives (yet?) | 16:35 |
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| internetishard | Is that a statement, or question? | 16:35 |
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| Venemo_N900 | it means that I don't know of any usable alternatives, but there might be | 16:36 |
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| internetishard | supposedly thunderbird, but there is no release date afaik | 16:36 |
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| Venemo_N900 | there is an app called claws mail | 16:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | but I didn't try | 16:37 |
| trx | is there a way i can call a "Message Window" from a .sh file? (like wifi switcher does) | 16:39 |
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| Corsac | Jaffa: hmhm, does sharing let logs somewhere? | 16:41 |
| Jaffa | Corsac: Dunno, never tried it. | 16:43 |
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| Venemo_N900 | bb | 16:50 |
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| MohammadAG | can someone please make a proper libqt4-dev package? :/ | 16:56 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: what's wrong with the one in -devel? | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | use file on it, the armel package is full of x86 binaries | 16:56 |
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| alterego | fun times | 17:01 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, yeah, lots of it, especially when you've got an on device SDK | 17:03 |
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| MohammadAG | MyDocs full, crap | 17:07 |
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| alterego | s/full,/full, of/ | 17:09 |
| alterego | :) | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | should probably start using my microSD card | 17:13 |
| pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/qQWHY.jpg mohammed - lol (sfw) | 17:14 |
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| Corsac | grmbl, one can't add multiple command line sharing accounts | 17:21 |
| Corsac | at least not to the same user@server | 17:21 |
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| Macer | hm | 17:23 |
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| trx | i am trying the following in a .sh file : | 17:38 |
| trx | dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:'Entering root!' uint32:0 string:'NAO OK!' method return sender=:1.1 -> dest=:1.15 uint32 4 | 17:38 |
| trx | "it says that data item "method" is badly formed" | 17:39 |
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| trx | any ideas? i found the code here : http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_Basics | 17:39 |
| trx | (The Hello World example) | 17:40 |
| trx | nevermind im an idiot.. | 17:42 |
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| slonopotamus | okay | 17:49 |
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| Pauly | hi i have problem in fremantle i installed rootsh but eveytime i try to use sudo kernel-config i get the following error message: | 17:51 |
| Pauly | user is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. | 17:52 |
| Pauly | any help would be appricated | 17:52 |
| Corsac | are you sure rootsh gives you sudo rights? | 17:52 |
| slonopotamus | Pauly: just run "root" | 17:52 |
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| Pauly | samething | 17:53 |
| Pauly | happening | 17:53 |
| slonopotamus | samething = "same thing" or "something"? | 17:53 |
| alterego | ping DocScrutinizer | 17:53 |
| Pauly | samething | 17:54 |
| l0up | how about "gainroot" | 17:54 |
| slonopotamus | Pauly: :/ | 17:54 |
| Pauly | tried that also | 17:54 |
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| Pauly | i fixed eveything thank you for your help | 17:59 |
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| blackthorne | hi | 18:05 |
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| crashanddie | hey blackthorne | 18:08 |
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| PaulyN900 | hello | 18:25 |
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| PaulyN900 | anyone know of a video sharing plugin for twitter on fremantle? | 18:25 |
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| ibansal | hi everyone | 18:26 |
| ibansal | i am trying to port moon activity from debian to maemo | 18:26 |
| ibansal | can anyone guide me on how packaging is done for maemo from scratch | 18:26 |
| ibansal | any help would be appreciated | 18:26 |
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| MohammadAG | same as for debian | 18:27 |
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| crashanddie | ibansal, Maemo is based on Debian. The packaging is nearly the same (except for the packages categories) | 18:28 |
| ibansal | crashanddie, can you elaborate it further | 18:30 |
| crashanddie | ibansal, no, but the wiki / google can | 18:30 |
| crashanddie | (oh come on, Debian user? You should know to rtfm) | 18:30 |
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| ibansal | crashanddie, okay | 18:31 |
| RST38h | moooyawn. | 18:32 |
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| crashanddie | ế | 18:35 |
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| crashanddie | ẹ | 18:35 |
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| trx | i use h-e-n to enumerate devices and then udhcpc to make my usb network adapter work, but even when i unplug the device eth0 stays there | 18:36 |
| trx | ( when i check with route -n) | 18:36 |
| trx | how do i properly dispose of the device? | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | ifconfig down maybe? | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | never used ethernet adapters, sorry | 18:37 |
| trx | ill try | 18:37 |
| trx | tnx | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, who's working on the mediaplayer again? Need to add commit permissions | 18:38 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa, lcuk, javispedro, alterego: please state your involvement with the FOSS mediaplayer. | 18:39 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Interested. Want to see MohammadAG's code to date. Getting a feature-compatible 1.0 would be a big win | 18:40 |
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| alterego | crashanddie: same here, I'm helping MohammadAG with any coding issues he has. | 18:40 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm only almost (I guess you could say that) done with the UI | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | only thing left is the radio list and video windows, but those are piss easy | 18:40 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: the backend will be the most interesting thing for me ;) | 18:41 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, so what needs to be done on a code level? | 18:41 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, file listing, media selecting, reading music length and where we're at atm | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG | etc | 18:41 |
| * alterego tries to remember how to upload to extras | 18:41 | |
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| Jaffa | alterego: scp | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, the backend will be an asshole to code in | 18:42 |
| alterego | Jaffa: yeah, forgotten what I need :P | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, dput -f fremantle-extras-builder somefile_0.1_sources.changes | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | Googling "qt" and "tracker" is a PIT | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | +A | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | or use the extras assistant | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | I've yet to figure out how to get this working in Qt, osso_cp_plugin_execute (priv->osso_context, "libcpfmtx.so", plugin, TRUE); | 18:43 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta/qml-multimedia.html looks interesting | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | it's from qwerty12's FOSS mediaplayer | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, that's qml though :/ | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | plugin is a gpointer, do those even exist in Qt/C++? | 18:43 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: True - Googling other Qt stuff seems to be returning the (good) QML | 18:43 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Yes. | 18:44 |
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| trx | MohammadAG you were right, ty | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | hmm? | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, mind helping me with this small line then? http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/nowplayingwindow.cpp#line65 :) | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | FYI, not the latest commit | 18:45 |
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| MohammadAG | closest I could get with 5 minutes and Qt Designer's layouts, http://i56.tinypic.com/bfqtea.jpg | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | for now at least | 18:47 |
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| alterego | Nice :) | 18:47 |
| * MohammadAG adjusts layouts a bit | 18:49 | |
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| alterego | ping X-Fade | 18:56 |
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| alterego | Well, lets try that again .. | 18:58 |
| alterego | This time without qt4-opengl-dev O_O | 18:58 |
| jase21 | D | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, what's wrong? | 18:58 |
| alterego | libqt4-dev and libqt4-opengl-dev apparently conflict | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | how? | 18:59 |
| * alterego shrugs | 18:59 | |
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| alterego | I'm wondering if the libqt4-dev in extras includes gl support, or something | 18:59 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, probably, not :P | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | libqt4-dev is such a fucked up package | 19:00 |
| alterego | Yer .. | 19:00 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:01 |
| alterego | Yup, that worked. | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | 0k free memory on the N900 o_O | 19:01 |
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| alterego | Sure, it builds fine for x86, but it segfaults when you run it .. | 19:03 |
| alterego | I should probably disable gl rendering when compiled for x86 scratchbox. | 19:03 |
| alterego | Oh well .. | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | isn't this the IR app? | 19:03 |
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| alterego | Yes | 19:03 |
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| alterego | But QML+OpenGL in x86 scratchbox doesn't work so well. | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | why should it run in scratchbox anyways? P | 19:04 |
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| alterego | xbox360-media-remote 1.0-1maemo1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository | 19:04 |
| alterego | :) | 19:05 |
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| * alterego wonders when the next import is | 19:05 | |
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| alterego | Well, I've uninstalled all the deps on my device to test the package when it appears in -devel | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | now | 19:06 |
| * alterego has a break. | 19:06 | |
| MohammadAG | you probably missed it | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | the one after is on 5:35 UTC | 19:06 |
| alterego | Yeah, think so | 19:06 |
| alterego | Probably enough time to do the washing up ^.^ | 19:06 |
| alterego | bbiafm | 19:06 |
| alterego | Then I'll write the tmo post ;) | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | [2010-12-08 19:01:50] xbox360-media-remote 1.0-1maemo1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | or not | 19:07 |
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| MohammadAG | it might be imported in 5 minutes :P | 19:07 |
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| lardman | hmm, do you reckon I could chop my plugin loading up into chunks and use postevent to dispatch these with a low priority? | 19:09 |
| alterego | Cool | 19:09 |
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| clasificado | hi all | 19:21 |
| pupnik | hi | 19:23 |
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| lardman | anyone know if there's a static method to get the QApplication object? | 19:28 |
| lardman | ah, qApp looks suitable | 19:29 |
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| alterego | Well, if anyone has an Xbox 360 then please test my app :) | 19:39 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, http://i54.tinypic.com/2h3zajd.jpg | 19:40 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Wow, it is Media Player!!! | 19:41 |
| alterego | artist and album are a little close | 19:41 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Are you gonna fix it while you are reimplementing it? :) | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, see the stock player | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, they're a bit closer there :P | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: can you add me as read only at the moment | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, maybe :P | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | read only? | 19:42 |
| alterego | okay, well, change the font color to mid then :P | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | ah, so it's public? | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | where is teh source? | 19:42 |
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| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer | 19:44 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, how :P | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, also, is there a way to move widgets in between layouts at runtime? | 19:45 |
| lardman | am I right in thinking that QMaemo5InformationBox::information() can be called with some timeout, then called again to override the original timeout? | 19:46 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: nice, any innards for the new improved media player? | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a UI for now | 19:46 |
| lardman | should be reasonably straightforward to add playbin + the playlist lib stuff that was being talked about at the Maemo summit | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | (broken nicks so as to not ping them) <crashan ddie> Jaff a, lcu k, javisped ro, altereg o: please state your involvement with the FOSS mediaplayer. | 19:47 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I think you have to remove them and reparent them. | 19:47 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i think you have to detach it from one layer and attach to another | 19:47 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: btw. is shuffle working correctly? | 19:47 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: or is it going to be broken like in original mediaplayer? | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | or make two instances of them, not very memory friendly though is it | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, it's only a UI | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | no functionality whatsoever | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | so what's the point | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's a one hour job | 19:48 |
| * MohammadAG curses school | 19:48 | |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, usually, you don't code a full media player in one hour :P | 19:48 |
| lardman | jacekowski: to replace the Nokia one | 19:48 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: you need to challenge yourself now and again ;) | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | lardman: but he just said that it's only ui | 19:49 |
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| jacekowski | lardman: not real media player | 19:49 |
| lardman | jacekowski: indeed, it's a start | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | ah so i'm asking question now | 19:49 |
| lardman | mafw is what I was thinking about, though whether that will remain in Meego I don't know | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | are you planning to implement shuffle in a same way as nokia media player did it | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | or in correct way | 19:49 |
| alterego | lardman: it's not in meego | 19:50 |
| lardman | jacekowski: whichever way someone patches it to work I imagine ;) | 19:50 |
| lardman | alterego: ok, thanks | 19:50 |
| alterego | lardman: if it is, it'll be grillo | 19:50 |
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| lardman | grillo? | 19:51 |
| alterego | I was told grillo is the new mafw | 19:51 |
| lardman | do you have a linky> | 19:51 |
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| alterego | We want to use mafw though for this, because it'll integrate straight away with default media player desktop widget | 19:52 |
| lardman | true | 19:52 |
| alterego | And that app I wrote ages ago | 19:52 |
| lardman | bbiam | 19:52 |
| trumee | anybody tried Asus RT N16 router? | 19:52 |
| * GAN900 is having good success with Linksys E3000 | 19:53 | |
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| TheJ | anyone willing to share mmc-mount file from usr/sbin/ ? | 19:55 |
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| MohammadAG | just download ke-recv | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | it's part of it afaik | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get --reinstall install ke-recv | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/mmc-mount | 19:56 |
| TheJ | thank you :) | 19:56 |
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| lardman | re | 19:57 |
| trumee | GAN900: do you use sip with it? | 19:58 |
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| lardman | I've never really felt like writing a media player, so never really looked too hard at the docs, but these seem quite decent: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 | 19:58 |
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| lardman | perhaps it was all a lure from the Nokians to get us to replace the built-in anyway ;) | 19:58 |
| lardman | hmm, MAWF is GObject based | 19:59 |
| pupnik | Calculating Space is the title of MIT's English translation of Konrad Zuse's 1969 book Rechnender Raum (literally: "space that is computing"), the first book on digital physics. | 20:00 |
| pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculating_Space | 20:00 |
| alterego | And here's my thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=892449 | 20:00 |
| pupnik | lcuk: osc! ;) | 20:00 |
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| MohammadAG | bbl | 20:03 |
| GAN900 | trumee, have, not often, though. | 20:05 |
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| GAN900 | trumee, running DD-WRT on it. | 20:05 |
| trumee | GAN900: i am having terrible performance with WRT54GL, so planning to upgrade to something else. | 20:06 |
| GAN900 | trumee, got an old machine you could put FreeBSD on or similar? | 20:06 |
| GAN900 | trumee, I've become a bit of a fan of specialized components lately. | 20:07 |
| trumee | GAN900: i do have a spare machine, but the issue is the wireless component. | 20:07 |
| GAN900 | trumee, ah. | 20:07 |
| GAN900 | Network interference? | 20:07 |
| jenskuehnel | Hi all, my /dev/video* is missing. Did anyone had this kind of problem before? I'm running powerkernel. | 20:07 |
| trumee | GAN900: No idea. But N900 doesnt like WRT54GL wifi. It causes very choppy sip audio. | 20:08 |
| trumee | GAN900: It is only the sip performance which is bad. Other than that everything is quite good. | 20:08 |
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| GAN900 | trumee, what are you running on there? | 20:10 |
| GAN900 | trumee, I really love Tomato on those routers. | 20:10 |
| GAN900 | Could be neighbors stepping on your signal? | 20:10 |
| trumee | GAN900: i have tried tomato but it was no better than ddwrt. i too like tomato more though. | 20:10 |
| GAN900 | I just shuffled around channels last week and went from 2Mbps to 25. | 20:10 |
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| trumee | GAN900: i did a wifi site survey and i am the only one on channel 10. | 20:11 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, hey | 20:11 |
| trumee | GAN900: How did you check your throughput? | 20:11 |
| jacekowski | trumee: but maybe some non wifi stuff is transmitting | 20:12 |
| clasificado | maybe bluetooth. i'ts a known wi-fi killer | 20:12 |
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| trumee | jacekowski: could be a possibiliy. i have a panasonic wireless phone. Is it possible to detect if that is a problem, 'objectively'. | 20:13 |
| trumee | clasificado: no bluetooth is disabled. | 20:13 |
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| jacekowski | spectrum analyser | 20:14 |
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| fladnag | Hey guys | 20:14 |
| clasificado | hi | 20:14 |
| GAN900 | trumee, just did a SpeakEasy test on the wireless clients. | 20:14 |
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| GAN900 | trumee, got 40/5 here, so. ;) | 20:15 |
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| trumee | GAN900: Not a very thorough test i guess. | 20:15 |
| GAN900 | trumee, unplug the phone? | 20:15 |
| GAN900 | trumee, correlated pretty well. | 20:15 |
| GAN900 | But a local network transfer would be better. | 20:15 |
| trumee | GAN900: are there no proper software tools, how about this one, http://www.metageek.net/products/inssider | 20:15 |
| GAN900 | I don't know offhand what the best way to go about that would be, though. | 20:16 |
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| fladnag | ... There ARE "some" people who own an n900 here i heard ... :) | 20:17 |
| chx | Really? where? | 20:17 |
| chx | those people are dangerous. Run! hide! | 20:17 |
| chx | :p | 20:17 |
| Jartza | there -> | 20:17 |
| jani | _o/ | 20:17 |
| fladnag | :) | 20:17 |
| Jartza | \o_ | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | trumee: you can either get proper spectrum analyser | 20:18 |
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| jacekowski | trumee: rent one | 20:18 |
| jacekowski | trumee: or buy cheap wifi only spectrum analyser | 20:18 |
| chx | you can rent spectrum analysers?????? | 20:18 |
| fladnag | What for? | 20:18 |
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| fladnag | Ahem | 20:18 |
| fladnag | :) | 20:19 |
| trumee | jacekowski: i see | 20:19 |
| jacekowski | chx: yes | 20:19 |
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| jacekowski | chx: not many people need one every day | 20:19 |
| chx | of course | 20:19 |
| jacekowski | chx: and not many people can afford spectrum analyser that can go to 2.4 or even 5GHz | 20:19 |
| jacekowski | because that sort of thing cost like 10k+ | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | not really | 20:20 |
| fladnag | Is there such a poor person who had a broken micro-usb-port on their n900 ??? | 20:20 |
| Jartza | nope | 20:20 |
| chx | the forum is full of them | 20:20 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: more? | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.metageek.net/products/wi-spy | 20:21 |
| fladnag | ?? | 20:21 |
| fladnag | Funny ?? | 20:21 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: but that's wifi only | 20:21 |
| Jartza | but I have one that has broken touchscreen and keyboard :( | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It's the wifi wavebands | 20:21 |
| chx | jacekowski: even the thinkgeek wi-spy 2.4i is a hundred bucks :( | 20:21 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: and it's not proper full DFT spectrum analyser | 20:21 |
| Jartza | but that's ok for testing | 20:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It does reasonable frequency bins over those wavebands. It's not a lab quality instrument - no. | 20:22 |
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| fladnag | Im sorry but there are over 400 people inthis room ! Is someone there who atleast heard of this problem? ... | 20:23 |
| fladnag | N900 > broken micro-usb-port | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | yes | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | many people | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | it's warranty issue | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | get it fixed | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes, several people have heard of it. | 20:24 |
| fladnag | Okok | 20:24 |
| fladnag | Is there a way | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | yes, it's called warranty | 20:25 |
| fladnag | To boot or reflash over microsdcart ? | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | fladnag: Where in the world are you? | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | no | 20:25 |
| fladnag | Germany | 20:25 |
| fladnag | Realy? | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | really | 20:25 |
| fladnag | Its NOT possible? | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | yep | 20:25 |
| fladnag | N900 Sdcart flash ? | 20:26 |
| jacekowski | impossible | 20:26 |
| fladnag | Ohholyshit | 20:26 |
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| fladnag | And you are that experienced | 20:26 |
| fladnag | Sorri :) ? | 20:26 |
| jacekowski | iirc boot sequence goes like serial->usb->nand | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | fladnag: It is in principle possible to setup the software to do flash from SD - but you would need to reflash it via USB first though. | 20:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yeah - or using the nokia largely unavailable adaptor to serial. | 20:27 |
| fladnag | Adaptor ? | 20:28 |
| fladnag | Serial ? | 20:28 |
| fladnag | :) | 20:28 |
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| fladnag | What port ? Micro sd, micro usb, tvout ! | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | even my sister knows what is it | 20:29 |
| fladnag | There is more ?????? | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | yes | 20:29 |
| fladnag | N900 ????? | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | yes | 20:29 |
| fladnag | Ok | 20:29 |
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| trx | how do i get root in a .sh file? :/ | 20:38 |
| alterego | trx: you should use sudo | 20:38 |
| trx | i tried sudo gainroot | 20:39 |
| trx | but it just stands there | 20:39 |
| trx | doesnt execute the other lines :/ | 20:39 |
| trx | tried root also | 20:40 |
| fladnag | Hello ! :) Doyouknow the psw thats always there when i write "sudo su" since i reflashed to 1.3 ??? | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | sudo | 20:40 |
| fladnag | (n900) | 20:41 |
| fladnag | Sudo ??? :) The psw is also "sudo" ??? | 20:41 |
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| MohammadAG | install rootsh | 20:41 |
| fladnag | Ihave | 20:41 |
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| MohammadAG | type root then | 20:42 |
| fladnag | Sudo su - | 20:42 |
| fladnag | Psw ??? | 20:42 |
| trx | just type root | 20:43 |
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| jenskuehnel | fladnag: Maybe you set a password for the user account? | 20:43 |
| trx | or to reform my question, how can i run a .sh with root access? | 20:43 |
| fladnag | I DINT !!! :) | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | trx, sudo | 20:43 |
| trx | fladnag if you have rootsh just type "root" | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | type root | 20:43 |
| fladnag | Icant get out ofthe password question | 20:44 |
| fladnag | :P | 20:44 |
| fladnag | :( | 20:44 |
| jenskuehnel | Press enter to end the sudo password prompt. | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | ctrl+c | 20:44 |
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| trx | MohammadAG sudo then i get prompted for a password | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | trx add a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ | 20:46 |
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| trx | MohammadAG oh, i see now | 20:47 |
| trx | thank you | 20:47 |
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| MohammadAG | jenskuehnel, wtf are you on about? | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | trx, run update-sudoers afterwards | 20:48 |
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| trx | ty | 20:51 |
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| fladnag | Wtf why is such a big company like nokia so incompetent ? why is there no ordinary charge-port on the n900 and why does the comunty has to build something like h-e-n ... | 21:06 |
| fladnag | Whattheshitfuck :) | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | The USB port to charge is mandated by EU/... | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not a wholly bad idea. | 21:06 |
| wolf^ | fladnag, you have answered your own question | 21:06 |
| wolf^ | "such a big company" | 21:07 |
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| fladnag | If it breakes out you are totaly screwsd | 21:07 |
| fladnag | .... | 21:07 |
| fladnag | Aaaaarrrr | 21:07 |
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| fladnag | I need those external chargers | 21:08 |
| fladnag | And i need to set reflashing to sdcard !!!!!!! | 21:08 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: sitrep | 21:08 |
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| fladnag | Speedevil : "set up the software" to reflash from micro-sd card ?? Please where can i find something about this special sort of stuff | 21:13 |
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| fladnag | What software ??? Onthe n900 ??? | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | fladnag: You would need to find or compile a suitable bootloader, then flash it using USB | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Which obviously raises a problem | 21:13 |
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| fladnag | Jes ? | 21:13 |
| fladnag | Problem? | 21:14 |
| fladnag | :) | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | If your USB port is broken, you can't. | 21:14 |
| fladnag | Okok | 21:14 |
| fladnag | Thing is | 21:14 |
| fladnag | Im planing for the future | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, nothing worth reporting atm, looking at mafw docs, unless someone else wants to cover that | 21:14 |
| fladnag | :) IN CASE | 21:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 21:15 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: well, dump interesting stuff in the gitorious wiki if required | 21:15 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: maybe drop some notes about how you would see it implemented | 21:15 |
| crashanddie_ | has anyone had thought about the backend architecture yet? | 21:15 |
| crashanddie_ | s/had // | 21:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not aware of anythng that will simply let you reflash maemo images from the SD yet | 21:15 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: has anyone thought about the backend architecture yet? | 21:15 |
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| MohammadAG | problem with flashing from device, is that flashing is handled by NOLO, and you can't have NOLO and an alternative OS at the same time | 21:17 |
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| fladnag | I just have maemo (5) iguess ... | 21:18 |
| fladnag | So there is no alternative there (and none on the sdcard) | 21:19 |
| fladnag | ..! | 21:19 |
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| fladnag | Still not possible ? | 21:19 |
| fladnag | And nolo is the "software" which runs FROM the device while flashing ? | 21:20 |
| fladnag | ?? | 21:20 |
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| fladnag | For ALL maemo devices ?? | 21:21 |
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| fladnag | And there IS another port on the n900 except video/audio and the damn micro-usb ??? | 21:23 |
| fladnag | How is it called ? Where isit? | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | fladnag: yes, there are vatious poorly/non-documented ports under the battery | 21:24 |
| fladnag | :o | 21:25 |
| fladnag | How and it wat ways can they be accessed | 21:25 |
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| fladnag | And in which ways ? :p | 21:26 |
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| fladnag | Douyouknow a page that can help me soidont have to got obyour nerves anymore | 21:27 |
| fladnag | Sorri forthebad writing ... | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | <fladnag> I just have maemo (5) iguess ... | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | <fladnag> So there is no alternative there (and none on the sdcard) | 21:28 |
| DonD | i have installed smscon on my n900 and config it with smscon editor. but when i send a command to my phone nothing happens? and smscon is running... somebody who maby know what i have done wrong or not done? | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | by alternatives, I mean Ubuntu/Fedora/some console only OS | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | NOLO is the bootloader | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | SMScon, I lost 50 SMSs cause of that thing | 21:29 |
| DonD | hehe | 21:29 |
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| DonD | when i run the tests in smscon editor it works nice, but not when i send the command thru my girlfriends phone | 21:30 |
| fladnag | Ok do you have an idea mohammadag ? | 21:30 |
| DonD | its just to install, and then edit with smsconeditor? right? | 21:31 |
| fladnag | (about my reflash n900 from sd thing) | 21:31 |
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| MohammadAG | other than using some mtd utilities to write to the mtds directly (and in a clean(!!!) way), nope | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | Is GOject usable in Qt apps? | 21:34 |
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| slonopotamus | http://linux.die.net/man/3/memfrob | 21:35 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: it is, but is is a dependency hellhole | 21:35 |
| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: is GObject usable? | 21:36 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, so... I can't use mafw in Qt? | 21:38 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: no idea. I think Jaffa or lardman have some experiences trying to use GObjects in Qt C++ | 21:48 |
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| trx | dont know about qt and c++ | 21:51 |
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| trx | but i used GObjects in lazarus (compiled for maemo arm) | 21:51 |
| trx | they are in glib2 | 21:51 |
| trx | if thats what u need | 21:51 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, I was bored, so file listing's working with QDir, however, I doubt this'll be of much help if we use mafw, anyways, http://i55.tinypic.com/28iatsn.jpg | 22:12 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: hear that sound? | 22:12 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: that's the RIAA Police coming to get you as you publicly demonstrate you own mp3 files | 22:12 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: from what I understand MAFW provides file handling, doesn't it? | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | this is logged right? The MP3s were illegally obtained | 22:13 |
| * MohammadAG waits | 22:13 | |
| crashanddie_ | is it possible to test a Qt app for maemo under OSX? | 22:13 |
| crashanddie_ | or run it locally | 22:13 |
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| MohammadAG | locally? | 22:14 |
| crashanddie_ | well, not on the n900 | 22:14 |
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| MohammadAG | The whole point of Qt is that, http://i53.tinypic.com/2lvo8h.jpg | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | Volume icon's missing on my PC, hence the empty button | 22:15 |
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| crashanddie_ | and that's just Qt Creator? | 22:16 |
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| MohammadAG | yes | 22:17 |
| crashanddie_ | hmm | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | the Maemo specific code is wrapped with #ifdefs | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | so it compiles properly on any PC with libqt4-dev | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | at least for now | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | mind you, I don't think there's something like stacked windows on ubuntu, so all windows are separate | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | (See task bar) | 22:18 |
| crashanddie_ | there is actually, stacked windows work fine, probably a bug in Qt Creator | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | no, I never set a property | 22:19 |
| crashanddie_ | oh, sorry, media player you mean? | 22:19 |
| crashanddie_ | that's normal, it's maemo-specific behaviour | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | I only set setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow); | 22:20 |
| crashanddie_ | usually you'd redraw the UI on a fast computer | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | I've never seen an app with stacked windows on a PC | 22:20 |
| crashanddie_ | or make a window appear | 22:20 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: can you add some wrappers around the UI, so that the player thread will be able to update it easily? | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | well, it shows windows atm | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, hmm? | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | I wanted to start on that today | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | void NowPlayingWindow::onMetadataChanged() | 22:21 |
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| crashanddie_ | class song { QString title; QString artist; int duration }; and then on your UI .setCurrentSong(song currentSong) | 22:22 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:22 |
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| crashanddie_ | what wall? | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I thought you mentioned clickable QLabels yesterday? | 22:23 |
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| MohammadAG | QLabels don't emit signals when clicked | 22:23 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: linkActivated | 22:24 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: or linkHovered | 22:24 |
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| MohammadAG | that's for QLabels with links afaik | 22:25 |
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| MohammadAG | This signal is emitted when the user clicks a link. The URL referred to by the anchor is passed in link. | 22:25 |
| crashanddie_ | I just started the download for the Qt SDK | 22:26 |
| crashanddie_ | download speed is abyssmal | 22:26 |
| crashanddie_ | 50KB/s | 22:26 |
| crashanddie_ | far cry from the 2MB/s I get from sourceforge or stuff | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | lmao | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | well | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | you could download the mac only one, but you can't build for maemo that way | 22:27 |
| crashanddie_ | I think I'm getting the Mac only one | 22:27 |
| crashanddie_ | where is the maemo one too? | 22:27 |
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| crashanddie_ | is the full one for all platforms? 900MB? | 22:28 |
| ZogG | i hate all qgil speeches | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | http://nds2.fds-forum.nokia.com/fdp/interface?fid=A1A1GUYLHDEW&st=TPiW5C7shQj3ff1182a1485cf061ffbead79ce22cd1c80b428a8c1d626989f6704afb305ce0a0c6ff2da5370fbd1b8fdd8be0c55a47623bb79fa199105e51ef4e6ca15be1aa34892a7b0fa5c770656a4f65704dda694c0262a7aa702d7d4394fa96203fe952e45f0b9db60b511800284cf30c2c8e0a4df983de5e6077737bd3426e66a9c30faf18ebcb3b8b37c9ab389511183a0a17a1804fb69896cd11c142d7d9745e9be24962d7e5394616cfb&lid=FN | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | ffs Nokia | 22:28 |
| crashanddie_ | nice | 22:28 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, MohammadAG hey | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | use shorter links | 22:29 |
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| MohammadAG | hey ZogG | 22:29 |
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| NooBmonk3y | eveeeeeeeenin | 22:29 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: add an eventFilter or inherit and implement the button press event method. | 22:30 |
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| alterego | Not everything in Qt is signals & slots ;) | 22:30 |
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| * MohammadAG stabs Qt | 22:30 | |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: oh c'mon | 22:31 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: that link isn't too long | 22:31 |
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| crashanddie_ | I mean, they need the placeholders... | 22:31 |
| crashanddie_ | If you look at it... they're just using 348 characters with an enthropy of 62 characters | 22:32 |
| crashanddie_ | that's just what... 35532923950314040371555233996418615656447617690238539146959371986022792206109678041799221488951283425582368554579803649017449976541515788402769950908636090777205360942168155648586474173300819726209681126039184510259985831643477341306518809198263784101496089352281596201953796059875051696372027610327966734540107252024900186875743088800481127980217988171608446445416342510149241532365371062218047151691422639690 | 22:32 |
| crashanddie_ | possible links? | 22:32 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: can't blame them for being future-proof? | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, way over my head :P | 22:35 |
| timeless_webchat | MohammadAG: err, was that link an "auto download SDK .dmg" ? | 22:35 |
| timeless_webchat | because i have a random thing which is forcing me to download a 1/2 gb Qt SDK DMG | 22:35 |
| * timeless_webchat is not amused | 22:35 | |
| MohammadAG | yes, it's a .dmg | 22:36 |
| crashanddie_ | when will people learn, don't click on fucking links | 22:36 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: and that's for Maemo too? | 22:36 |
| crashanddie_ | how come the beta is smaller than the full Qt download? | 22:36 |
| timeless_webchat | crashanddie_: it's supposed to be | 22:37 |
| timeless_webchat | crashanddie_: it probably doesn't have symbols :) | 22:37 |
| crashanddie_ | symbols? | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | no idea lol | 22:37 |
| timeless_webchat | or maybe it's a web installer :) | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | but yes, it has maemo afaik | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | unless it downloads them in-setup | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | nope, offline installer | 22:37 |
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| MohammadAG | should have maemo | 22:38 |
| crashanddie_ | well, this server is better | 22:38 |
| crashanddie_ | 85KB/s | 22:38 |
| crashanddie_ | you'd think Nokia is able to afford some bandwidth | 22:38 |
| alterego | hah | 22:38 |
| * timeless_webchat is getting 1.3M/s | 22:38 | |
| timeless_webchat | you're clearly not located in the right country ;-) | 22:38 |
| alterego | I don't bother with the Qt SDK, I custom build my entire development system. | 22:38 |
| crashanddie_ | STOP STEALING MY BANDWIDTH | 22:38 |
| crashanddie_ | alterego: on OSX? | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I still use scratchbox for most stuff :P | 22:39 |
| timeless_webchat | crashanddie_: i'll be done in a minute :) | 22:39 |
| chx | I just dont understand why Nokia does not give up on smartphones. They are good at pushing out mid and low end devices ... so why not stick to it. | 22:39 |
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| crashanddie_ | chx: you must be new here | 22:39 |
| timeless_webchat | chx: because at some point the smartphones of today will be able to sell at the price points nokia is selling feature phones at | 22:40 |
| timeless_webchat | at which point nokia would die | 22:40 |
| kerio | because nokia is still nokia | 22:40 |
| timeless_webchat | but, crashanddie_ is right... you must be new here | 22:40 |
| kerio | and still makes FUCKING AWESOME devices | 22:40 |
| timeless_webchat | crashanddie_: ok, you can have my bandwidth now :) | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | WITH FUCKING RETARDED source distribution | 22:40 |
| crashanddie_ | lol... it's actually going up | 22:40 |
| alterego | I use madde & qt creator for most things, then prep in sbox for extras upload. | 22:41 |
| crashanddie_ | oh, going back down again | 22:41 |
| alterego | Though I've integrated sbox with qt creator, which lets me build and run in sbox. | 22:41 |
| alterego | Which is good for maemo specific development. | 22:41 |
| chx | i have the n900, of course, and what goes on with nokia just pains me. | 22:41 |
| alterego | crashanddie_: no, not for os x :P | 22:42 |
| chx | when i lost my n810 i felt like having one of arms lost so i bought a second quick :) | 22:42 |
| chx | which now just gathers dust :/ | 22:42 |
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| alterego | I wish my N810 still worked | 22:46 |
| alterego | The touch screen died. | 22:47 |
| Macer | n810s are expensive too for some reason | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | I wish I had an N810 | 22:48 |
| * MohammadAG sighs at Segmentation fault | 22:48 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, hide() doesn't work layouts? Sigh | 22:49 |
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| chx | MohammadAG: what about i give you mine? where are you located (just because of postage) | 22:54 |
| crashanddie_ | chx: where are you? | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | nah, no need, thanks though :) | 22:54 |
| chx | Right here , behind my desk. | 22:55 |
| crashanddie_ | are you being a smartass? | 22:55 |
| crashanddie_ | Geographically speaking, chx, where is your desk? | 22:55 |
| chx | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=beach+and+chilco&sll=49.289448,-123.14395&sspn=0.014205,0.031693&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Beach+Ave+%26+Chilco+St,+Vancouver,+Greater+Vancouver+Regional+District,+British+Columbia,+Canada&z=17 | 22:55 |
| crashanddie_ | Canada, fair enough | 22:56 |
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| crashanddie_ | well, there's pretty much a planet between you and MohammadAG | 22:56 |
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| chx | I often happen to be in Europe if that helps | 22:56 |
| chx | I will be in Hungary and Belgium Jan / Feb | 22:56 |
| crashanddie_ | Belgium? Whereabouts? | 22:57 |
| chx | Vrije Universiteit Brussel | 22:58 |
| crashanddie_ | so you're a brusselaer? | 22:59 |
| chx | same time as FOSDEM | 22:59 |
| chx | no, i am Canadian now | 22:59 |
| chx | just travel a lot. | 22:59 |
| chx | probably... too much :) | 22:59 |
| crashanddie_ | now being the operative word | 22:59 |
| chx | well, i was Hungarian for 31 years then homeless for two then Canadian | 22:59 |
| chx | or what do you call when someone lives out of two suitcases for two years changing his 'home base' every 2-3 weeks? | 23:00 |
| crashanddie_ | well, when I did that, I was a consultant | 23:02 |
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| crashanddie_ | I used to just say I was "European" | 23:02 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, http://i52.tinypic.com/4r738n.jpg | 23:05 |
| GAN900 | Aren't you usually whatever you were born and raised as? | 23:05 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900: AFAICT, I was born in Europe, and raised speaking 3 languages | 23:06 |
| GAN900 | Weirdo. | 23:06 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah, I get that a lot | 23:06 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, and when you cheat, you get something like http://i56.tinypic.com/dh67n5.jpg | 23:06 |
| mikki-kun | crashanddie_: which 3 languages were they? | 23:06 |
| crashanddie_ | mikki-kun: french english dutch, though I have a fair understanding of german, italian and spanish as well. | 23:07 |
| mikki-kun | Ö.ö whoah, that is... how can you keep them apart? i have sometimes difficulties with my 3 languages (now there is swiss german coming, which reactivates some of my french) | 23:08 |
| * MohammadAG knows English, arabic, french, hebrew, and some russian swear words | 23:09 | |
| crashanddie_ | oh, I have loads of troubles in some languages, don't worry there | 23:09 |
| crashanddie_ | you know fuck all French bro | 23:09 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, did you see the damn portrait UI? | 23:09 |
| crashanddie_ | I did | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | that's the sitrep you asked for :P | 23:10 |
| crashanddie_ | don't put the icons near the bottom | 23:10 |
| crashanddie_ | put them vertical | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 23:10 |
| crashanddie_ | put them left or right, doesn't really matter, preferably a configuration option | 23:10 |
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| crashanddie_ | when I hold my N900 in portrait, I rarely have both thumbs, and neither can reach down there easily | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, top might be best, but I'm not sure how to arrange layouts in code :/ | 23:11 |
| crashanddie_ | actually, there's better than fixed buttons | 23:12 |
| crashanddie_ | image a central button, in the middle of the screen | 23:12 |
| crashanddie_ | if you just tap it, it pauses | 23:12 |
| crashanddie_ | if you hold it and go left, it goes to the beginning of the song | 23:13 |
| crashanddie_ | and the button becomes a |< (go back) ubtton | 23:13 |
| crashanddie_ | so that you can tap it and go back in your playlist | 23:13 |
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| crashanddie_ | if you hold it and go right, it jumps to the next song, and becomes a >| button (forward) | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | nice idea, not very stock-y, still, nice | 23:14 |
| crashanddie_ | not sure if that should be part of V1 | 23:14 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah | 23:14 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders why building Qt apps in scratchbox makes them smaller | 23:16 | |
| crashanddie_ | smaller? | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | xVST: 1-2MBs in scratchbox, 26MBs in Qt Creator | 23:16 |
| crashanddie_ | oh, debug symbols probably | 23:16 |
| crashanddie_ | that's usually what takes most space | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | oh, right | 23:17 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer run that on your device | 23:19 |
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| crashanddie_ | don't have my device | 23:19 |
| crashanddie_ | my device is in new york or something | 23:19 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm good with SSH, but still. | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 23:20 |
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| MohammadAG | riight | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 23:21 |
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| GAN900 | XChat works pretty well in portrait. | 23:41 |
| crashanddie_ | pray tell | 23:41 |
| crashanddie_ | or, pray screenshot | 23:41 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, ctrl-shft-r | 23:42 |
| GAN900 | Close keyboard, rotate | 23:42 |
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| crashanddie_ | read above | 23:43 |
| crashanddie_ | < crashanddie_> my device is in new york or something | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | cept when you have a userlist | 23:43 |
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| MohammadAG | it resizes incorrectly | 23:44 |
| trx | MohammadAG do you need testers for mediaplayer? | 23:45 |
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| crashanddie_ | trx: there's no actual code behind it as of yet | 23:45 |
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| crashanddie_ | trx: we're still trying to figure out the architecture that could be used | 23:45 |
| trx | i see | 23:45 |
| trx | i would like to help | 23:46 |
| crashanddie_ | What are you good at? | 23:46 |
| trx | but i only know pascal | 23:46 |
| crashanddie_ | heh | 23:46 |
| crashanddie_ | If I see him I'll yell? | 23:46 |
| trx | lazarus compiles for arm | 23:46 |
| trx | but thats of no use for you | 23:46 |
| trx | :/ | 23:47 |
| trx | btw, have you considered using bass for audio engine? | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, what if Nokia releases their source when we finish ours? | 23:48 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: ours will be Qt, theirs will be Gtk? | 23:48 |
| crashanddie_ | We'll be MeeGo-proof? | 23:48 |
| crashanddie_ | trx: bass seems interesting | 23:49 |
| trx | it can read/do pretty much everything | 23:49 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, well, you suck. | 23:50 |
| trx | i have experience with it, and could help out.. | 23:50 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: stop being a fucking troll. | 23:51 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie_, yessir. | 23:52 |
| dRbiG | hmm, 32gb micro sd no-name card for $50 - you think it's a good deal or will the card be really shitty (like slow as hell)? | 23:52 |
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| dRbiG | i have no idea about price ranges here | 23:52 |
| crashanddie_ | trx: well, we don't want to reinvent the wheel if possible, and there should be MAFW available | 23:52 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk: have you used GObjects in Qt code? | 23:53 |
| crashanddie_ | trx: the other thing is that the backend player system will probably leverage gstreamer rather than a new framework -- the reasoning behind this is that there are plugins that can utilise the hardware acceleration chipsets available in the N900. | 23:53 |
| crashanddie_ | god damn, I even sound like a fucking suit. | 23:54 |
| trx | :)) | 23:54 |
| trx | yeah, its seems more logical to use mafw then | 23:54 |
| crashanddie_ | trx: it's just our initial analysis, we'll see and make decisions as we get closer | 23:55 |
| crashanddie_ | trx: the project was launched this morning/afternoon. | 23:55 |
| crashanddie_ | or was it yesterday? | 23:55 |
| crashanddie_ | I forget. | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | yesterday evening; total works is maybe 2h | 23:56 |
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| MohammadAG | sorry, exams :P | 23:56 |
| trx | well, if i can help with anything im here... | 23:56 |
| trx | just no qt and c++ :P | 23:56 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, we could use Qt's APIs, they use gstreamer (Jaffa said so), but we'll have to build our own media indexer | 23:57 |
| trx | maybe i can help by producing .so's that u can use... | 23:57 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, what skills are you bringing to the tablet? | 23:58 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: at the moment? Telling people what to do | 23:58 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: so we have to go through MAFW to do the indexing? | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | or directly use tracker | 23:58 |
| crashanddie_ | s/do the indexing/talk to tracker/ | 23:58 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: MohammadAG: so we have to go through MAFW to talk to tracker? | 23:58 |
| dRbiG | hmm, another thing, anyone using a 32gb microsd card with n900? | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | never looked at tracker's code, but I think it can be talked to directly | 23:59 |
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| MohammadAG | mind you, mafw > Qt's APIs at this time of writing | 23:59 |
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