IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-12-08

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MohammadAGalterego, looks smaller, doesn't Qt set Maemo fonts by default?00:02
MohammadAGalterego, 13px, but thanks :D00:03
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VenemoMohammadAG: yeah, it does00:05
VenemoMohammadAG: look at HildonFancyButton (renamed HeFancyButton in Hildon-Extras)00:06
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alteregoMohammadAG, Venemo: What would it take you guys to help with MeeGo development?00:08
alteregoBasically, what are you waiting for? :)00:08
ShadowJKMaemo 5 is too usable, and MeeGo isn't, and I need a device for daily use :)00:09
* andre__ wonders about the question and replaces "MeeGo" by "Android", "iPhone" and "Windows phone 7"00:09
javispedroWebOS!! WebOS!!00:10
andre__damn, I forgot my HP stocks, true :-P00:10
alteregoShadowJK: understandable.00:10
javispedrolet's see.00:10
javispedroin my brief experience with cs students, your average human prefers instanteneous reward over long term ones00:11
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ShadowJKHopefully once we see MeeGo devices appear, they wont be locked or crippled so that the version they run is obsolete from a dev pov :)00:12
alteregojavispedro: I agree.00:12
Venemogood night00:12
javispedrodeveloping for meego, at this point, means you do not get to make the big post on tmo00:12
Venemoalterego: waiting for it to get into a usable state00:12
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* ShadowJK fixed external gps bugging with Ovi Maps, and submitted patch, which was rejected, and from looking at source code, same issue exists in MeeGo :D00:12
galerienHi guys, I'm thinking about getting a nokia N900 for Xmas, anyone can tell me why I souldn't ? (if that's off topic, tell me, but I don't know where else to look for that kind of info)00:13
javispedrowhat source code? O.o00:13
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Carnequegalerien, what's your experience with linux?00:13
galerienUsing it for 3 years now, only ubuntu but I can write awk and shell quite ok00:13
javispedroare we discussing the same thing in both channels?00:13
MohammadAGalterego, javispedro crashanddie
javispedroMohammadAG: one window made, 7 to go!00:14
javispedrostill doesn't look pixel perfect00:14
MohammadAG2 actually :P00:14
CarnequeThe new 5.0 is quite handy, working well with Nokia PC Suite... the downside is the lack of apps but alot of people are working on more all the time00:14
ShadowJKjavispedro, gypsy is open source00:14
alteregoMohammadAG: nice :)00:14
MohammadAG javispedro00:15
alteregoIsn't the writing a bit far down?00:15
javispedroShadowJK: ah, thought it was ovi bug00:15
alteregoMove it up 10 pixels00:15
galerienCarneque, It's just that my HTC desire got stolen and I've been a nokia costumer for years (my company payed for the HTC) and I wanted to go back to the source !00:15
CarnequeI can't seem to get any good pictures out of the phone00:15
MohammadAGjavispedro, patches welcome (see what I did there? :P)00:15
alteregoMohammadAG: move the text up 10 pixels :P00:15
javispedroMohammadAG: the sane thing00:15
ShadowJKjavispedro, nah, it also caused Sygic Maps to run at 1fps and consume 100% CPU00:15
galerienAnd I don't want an N8 because Sysbian is too far behind and it's not going to be supported long, as it's the last one...00:16
CarnequeBut I haven't tried pictures with the 5.0 update, some improved ISO bug fixes and such00:16
javispedrogalerien: so you came here expecting Nokia support?00:16
galerienjavispedro, no, just explaining myself00:16
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alteregogalerien: the N900 is already EOLd by Nokia00:17
* javispedro smiles00:17
galerienEOLd ?00:17
alteregoNo longer supported.00:17
GNUtoo|laptopend of life d00:17
Carnequegalerien, I think it's a unique phone that lets you play with linux more so go for it00:17
MohammadAGEnd of Life'd00:17
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MohammadAGEoLd looks geekier00:17
MohammadAGmaemo 5 can still have a life00:18
CarnequeI have a question, when I am connected to the gprs network, it gives me an ip adress of  Is there a way to connect via SSH to that IP?00:18
galerienCarneque, ok, so, the only downside is that there isn't much application... ? And is maemo community still active (upgrade and stuff) or are you guys the last resistants ^^00:19
kerioCarneque: depends on your carrier00:19
alteregoMohammadAG: another 10 :P00:19
CarnequeKPN in holland00:19
alteregoMohactually no.00:19
CarnequeI am also interested in some kind of minute tracking app00:19
javispedroalterego: check your n90000:19
alteregoMohammadAG: actually no, that is dead on00:19
javispedroalterego: that.00:19
jacekowskiCarneque: no00:19
jacekowskiCarneque: it's behind a nat00:19
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ShadowJK443 uses in this channel...00:20
javispedrowe are decaying vs #meego user count since?00:20
MohammadAGalterego, sure about that?00:21
CarnequeHas anyone had any success writing apps using APIs of different carriers?00:22
alteregoMohammadAG: yes, it looks weird in the stock ui too :P00:22
alteregoI'm measuring to the curve of the headphone lead00:22
alteregoYou can't be anymore than a pixel off00:22
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MohammadAGalterego, 10 pixels is a lot00:24
alteregoMohammadAG: don't move it from the last screenshot.00:24
alteregoThe last one you posted was dead on ..00:24
alteregoIgnore me telling you to push it up another 10 :P00:24
MohammadAGalterego, feel free to measure again on device,
MohammadAGgot it :)00:24
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meceMohammadAG, could you point me towards the file I need to get my fm transmitter boosted?00:25
MohammadAGfor the modified / illegal FMTXD00:26
mecewhat does that one dp?00:26
MohammadAG for the stock module w/o power lock
meceI just want 11800:26
MohammadAGit locks to 12000:26
meceoh :)00:27
mecethe one from jace?00:27
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MohammadAGalterego, try the binary, clicking the button makes it look ugly :/00:28
jacekowskimine locks to 120 power00:28
jacekowskiand modifies frequency range00:28
jacekowskiand will work with headphones and usb cable plugged in00:29
meceso what do I do with it?00:30
keriomine goes up to 1100:30
meceit's a binary it seems00:30
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MohammadAGyou should be able to figure out what to do :P00:30
MohammadAGdon't forget to chmod +x, it gets messy00:30
MohammadAGyes, it's closed source from Nokia00:31
MohammadAGmodifying it is illegal... oh well :P00:31
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jacekowskino it's not00:32
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jacekowskiit's very legal00:32
jacekowskias long as i don't share with anybody00:32
CarnequeThanks guys for the answers, have a good one! Nite!00:33
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MohammadAGjacekowski, lol00:34
* MohammadAG wishes he could mod rtcom-call-ui.launch to remove proximity blanking00:34
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jacekowskiit's not in rtcom-call-ui.launch00:37
jacekowskiit's in rtcom-call-ui00:37
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trumeeMohammadAG: you replaced icons in the mediaplayer?00:43
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: sure? I said same, then changed my mind00:57
jacekowski.launch is a symlink00:58
jacekowskibut now you confused me00:58
jacekowskimaybe it's other way00:58
jacekowski.launch is app and without .launch is a launcher00:58
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ll `which osso-addressbook`00:59
DocScrutinizerlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2010-06-23 05:10 /usr/bin/osso-addressbook -> maemo-invoker00:59
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: why you want to disable that sensor?01:13
jacekowskiMohammadAG: because there may be simple way of doing that with LD_PRELOAD and hooking into fopen/open01:13
MohammadAGit wastes too much swap01:14
jacekowskiproximity sensor wastes swap?01:14
MohammadAGyes, it calls mce to lock the screen, and apparently, that's usually swapped during a call01:14
MohammadAGactually, killing all of mce integration with the phone app would be nice, other than the vibra01:15
jacekowskiso how would you lock screen then?01:15
MohammadAGI don't want to lock it01:15
DocScrutinizer51haha, the proximity sensor is dealt with in mce anyway01:15
jacekowskican anybody check how big is mce?01:16
jacekowskiin memory01:16
MohammadAGjacekowski, you don't need to compare values01:17
DocScrutinizer# Note: the name should not include the "lib"-prefix01:17
DocScrutinizerfrom mce.ini01:18
DocScrutinizerI suggest you play a bit with this line01:18
MohammadAGlock the screen, time how much it takes form when the lock switch is pressed till the screen is locked01:18
MohammadAGdo the same during a call01:18
jacekowskii just need to know it's memory footprint01:18
jacekowskibecause it may be mlocked if it's not too big01:18
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: tell me where to find a decent ps on this shit01:19
DocScrutinizerthen I tell you about footprint01:19
DocScrutinizertop is useless as well01:20
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DocScrutinizermaybe htop01:20
DocScrutinizerbut it really pisses me off01:20
DocScrutinizertell me which *-gnu pkg to install to get decent ps01:21
jacekowskiand coreutil01:22
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BCMMyeah, BB's ps and top are slightly upsetting01:24
BCMMjacekowski: you missed the bit where you have to work out where the heck coreutils got installed to and fix your $PATH01:25
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alteregoSo just finished my Qml xbox media remote app, upload it to -devel tomorrow.01:31
alteregoNow I have to think of something else small todo01:31
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DocScrutinizer51I got nash and coreutils and proper path01:32
DocScrutinizer51but no ps01:32
DocScrutinizer51neither gps or whatelse01:32
alteregog'night folks01:33
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DocScrutinizerlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    26 2010-07-26 22:57 ptx -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/ptx01:38
DocScrutinizerlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    26 2010-07-26 22:57 pwd -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/pwd01:38
DocScrutinizerlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    29 2010-07-26 22:57 printf -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/printf01:38
DocScrutinizerlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    26 2010-07-26 22:57 ptx -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/ptx01:38
DocScrutinizerno ps01:38
jacekowskibut well01:39
jacekowskiall ps does is parse couple files in /proc/pid/01:39
jacekowskilike stat01:39
jacekowskiand couple others01:39
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jacekowskibut i'm going to sleep now01:40
jacekowskigood night01:40
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# help01:40
DocScrutinizerbash: help: command not found01:40
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ps --help01:40
DocScrutinizerBusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian multi-call binary01:40
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# which pwd01:40
kerio~bacon DocScrutinizer01:42
* infobot goes Footloose on DocScrutinizer, even though its illegal01:42
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache search ps|wc -l01:43
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DocScrutinizeranyway, jacekowski01:48
DocScrutinizer25364 root       701  15  -5  5476  2156  1848 S  0.0  0.9 13:38.56 /sbin/mce --force-syslog01:48
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DocScrutinizerand I don't think mlocking it is a good idea. Basically there's too much mlocked shit already01:49
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DocScrutinizerI also doubt the sense in disabling proximity blanking all together, just because it's allegedly too slow01:51
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DocScrutinizerwho's maintainer of bash3?01:56
DocScrutinizercould the one pretty please revert the config option that broke bash's builtin help?!01:56
DocScrutinizerI'm not interested in bash trying to compete with messybox :-(01:57
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roadidoes onyone have a good idea what else i can do after an dist-upgrade and now the nokia flshing tool will not detect/discover the n900? btw dmesg shows me only connect and disconnects on the usb port but nothing with the 'name' n900.02:12
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roadii tryed the meegoo rescue for 2 times but now it doesn't work too. the last time the backlight goes off and thats all. :(02:13
SpeedEvilOh well - it was nice when it lasted.
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Gh0stysite down?02:20
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SpeedEvilAh - back now.02:22
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DocScrutinizerk, got it: apt-get install procps02:32
DocScrutinizerroadi: recharge batery. I know you'll have a hard time doing so02:33
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DocScrutinizerroadi: dist-upgrade is *known* to wreck your system02:34
DocScrutinizerroadi: no use in trying rescue initrd. You'll have to reflash02:36
DocScrutinizerroadi: flashing needs a charged battery to work02:36
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DocScrutinizerroadi: and with current state of your N900 you'll need to find another way to charge battery02:37
DocScrutinizerother way := use external charger | use compatible phone (e.g. 5800) | get a spare battery which usually comes semi-decently precharged02:39
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BCMMwoah, with a broken OS there's no way to force the phone to charge?02:45
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ieatlintthere is02:47
DocScrutinizerBCMM: you're kidding me?02:47
DocScrutinizerieatlint: ??02:47
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ieatlintDocScrutinizer: as you just stated, you can charge the phone with a wall charger02:48
ieatlintor essentially any charger that shorts the data pins...02:48
DocScrutinizerieatlint: in fact it will always start to charge, just it has a Vmax of 3.6V or sth02:48
DocScrutinizerwhich is way too low to do a proper flashing02:49
ieatlintcan it even charge while "off" at 100mah?02:49
DocScrutinizerit can even charge @500 while really totally off02:49
ieatlintwell, at 500 i know it can, i've done it02:50
DocScrutinizerdatapin-short detection is done in hardware02:50
ieatlintyeah, i meant connected to a usb host02:50
DocScrutinizeryes it should charge @100 then iirc02:50
GAN900Ew Chrome OS02:51
ieatlintheh, yeah, chrome os is getting infinitely more press than meego though02:52
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ieatlintdoesn't use rpm at least :P02:53
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GAN900Google gets more press than Jesus.02:55
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BCMMDocScrutinizer: i'd kinda assumed that the battery chip could handle charging if the OS failed...02:56
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DocScrutinizerit does, see above02:57
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: well, jesus isn't exactly the latest news nowadays02:58
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pupnikWell they've led Assange up to his golgotha.02:59
ieatlintGAN900: well, i can prove google exists02:59
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DocScrutinizerseems it's even hard to prove anything exists, regarding the silence on IRC05:03
FauxFauxIf nothing happens on irc, and there's nobody there to see it, did nothing really happen?#05:04
javispedroFauxFaux: your jedi mind tricks do not work with me05:06
FauxFauxI've confnused myself with my own paradox.05:06
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timeless_webchatFauxFaux: and your fingers were confused too05:21
FauxFauxIt's 3am. >.<05:21
timeless_webchatit's 5:24am05:24
timeless_webchatdon't play the time card with me, you're unlikely to win05:24
FauxFauxApparently you don't have a 9-5 job. :p05:24
timeless_webchatwhat makes you think that?05:24
FauxFauxNormally people don't go nocturnal when they do.05:24
timeless_webchattechnically in finland i think jobs are 8-4 :)05:24
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* timeless_webchat sighs05:25
* timeless_webchat kicks cpan05:25
timeless_webchatall i want is LWP::Simple (don't ask me why)05:26
johnxas opposed to LWP::Complicated ?05:27
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timeless_webchatwell, there's LWP::UserAgent05:28
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timeless_webchatand LWP::RobotUA05:29
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timeless_webchatthe opposite is probably LWP::Protocol05:30
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johnxall the function names are UUIDs05:34
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Termanagood morning06:28
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* slonopotamus bought kinda crappy n900 charger :/ it couldn't fully charge turned off n900 in 9 hours08:00
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Jay_BEElet me guess... from eBay?08:08
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zr0are wpa2 preshared keys with special characters not supported?08:10
zr0on the n900?08:10
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slonopotamus really funny. as if it wasn't clear that maemo 5 will be abandoned long time ago.08:18
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: there's something odd. htop version5 is 2 hours older allegedly than version4, according to the changes section of
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: the charger is missing the D+- short08:20
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: should i read that as "don't buy nokia chargers, buy china ones for $4"?08:22
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: sorry, I don't get your point08:22
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slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: how i'm supposed to understand what exact charger i should pick in a shop?08:23
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: I have no idea08:24
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: i doubt they have "D+- short included!" label08:24
DocScrutinizerso what?08:25
* DocScrutinizer prints a few dozen "includes D+- short" labels and sends them to slonopotamus08:25
slonopotamusso easier to avoid nokia chargers completely :/08:25
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RST38hslono: really easy08:26
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: you're puzzling me ang make me slightly angry. What's wrong with Nokia charger? You said you bought a second source crap USB charger08:26
RST38hslono: You need a geniune Nokia AC-10E charger08:28
slonopotamusRST38h: i'm all ears08:28
DocScrutinizeror any method to short D+-08:28
slonopotamusi already got three chargers, one stops charging on minimal moves of connector, one doesn't charge at all (?), one charges for insane about of time08:28
DocScrutinizerthere are adapters that have a switch to do that08:28
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: ... i bought crap genuine nokia charger.08:29
chx i was recommended this08:29
chxworks like a charm.08:29
DocScrutinizerchx: yup. But won't help for crap genuine Nokia... though I wonder what that means08:30
chxDocScrutinizer: genuiine Nokia, china style.08:30
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chxi ordered a genuine nokia battery from amazon08:32
chxi wonder what am i going to get :P08:32
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DocScrutinizersorry, this kirf shit left me even more puzzled08:36
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DocScrutinizerN-KIA E68 video : "sorry, this video contains material from OMFG and isn't available in your country"08:37
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DocScrutinizer >>the official website<<  : "sorry, this video contains material from OMFG and isn't available in your country"  --  WTF??!08:39
chxIs there a list of Nokia Repair Centres? cant find on the nokia website. tried both USA and Canada. Flash-ridden piece of unusable crap.08:40
DocScrutinizerwell, after noticing my GSM provider's website to manage my account needs ~60s over DSL(!) on my 2GHz PC, to download >300pics TWO TIMES, I'm not shocked by anything like that anymore08:45
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DocScrutinizermankind formed by a prevailing percentage of ignorants, morons, and assholes, and maybe cockroaches should take over for dominant species on earth08:47
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RobbieThe1stOh, ****. I somehow managed to disconnect my root drive on my Debian desktop.08:51
RobbieThe1stI can't even run ls, or shutdown, or sudo...08:52
DocScrutinizerpull the plug08:52
DocScrutinizerwell, basically you already did08:52
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RobbieThe1stYea... Back in a bit08:53
DocScrutinizergood luck on that. I'm not so sure08:54
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RobbieThe1stHm... Anyone know if md raid configuration might be stored in the initrd for raids that are assembled during boot?08:56
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DocScrutinizerusing raid for rootfs and/or /boot is discouraged afaik08:58
DocScrutinizerwell sw-raid that is08:59
RobbieThe1stEh... It works surprisingly well. Worked great for months, until I had to replace my motherboard and  had to run one of my disks through a USB adaptor.08:59
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RobbieThe1stIt worked for a couple of days, until it was booted up once with the usb adaptor not working right; next boot, the drive's /dev/ location was different and it didn't like that09:00
RobbieThe1stIt's kind of amazing how well Linux runs under the worst conditions...09:01
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DocScrutinizerunix comes top down, instead of bottom up to mainstream like e.g. windows does, on the ladder of resources & professional design & expertise09:06
DocScrutinizerds3: 809:06
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RobbieThe1stI'm not sure what you mean there...09:07
DocScrutinizersimply put, 20 years ago unix was for mainframes while windows was for cheesy Personal Computers09:09
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RobbieThe1stLinux had a very robust and light-weight foundation, and then everything sits on top of it modularly. Windows on the other hand...09:10
DocScrutinizerif linux would have been built the microsoft way, then the OS wouldn't have a kernel but rather one large xorg blob09:11
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DocScrutinizerthough this changed a bit when the renamed VMS to W-NT09:15
RobbieThe1stAnd it improved Windows significantly.09:17
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DocScrutinizersure, VMS was a semi-decent OS, and the bunch of devels that moved over to microsoft brought some improvement to the mess of Gates' notion of an OS09:18
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DocScrutinizerhmm, HAL9000 is considered IBM--, probably IBM++ aka JCN9000 sounds less nice. For VMS++ it's WNT, for -- it'd be ULS, and also the W for Windows was fixed :-D09:35
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DocScrutinizererr ULR09:36
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ieatlinti want to sell 100 calorie packs of celery to promote healthy eating09:46
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RobbieThe1st>.< I still can't figure out how to get my raids to accept a new drive persistantly - It seems any changes I do get wiped at boot-time.09:51
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jase21Is python 3 availabe for Maemo 509:59
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keriowhy do you want it, it's not ready yet10:00
keriono scipy, no twisted10:00
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jase21kerio: umm. Okay so its not available.10:00
kPb_in1hello all.. I did dual boot of meego and maemo.. then I uninstalled uboot but I still get uboot options when I boot n900.. what's the issue?10:01
jase21kPb_in1: It didn't get uninstalled properly10:03
RobbieThe1stUm... uboot is part of the kernel; you'd have to replace the kernel with one that doesn't have uboot10:03
kPb_in1jase21: how to uninstall it then?10:03
kPb_in1RobbieThe1st: ^^10:04
RobbieThe1stYou'd need to install a new kernel - Either power-kernel or stock10:04
jase21Flash it.10:04
RobbieThe1stGo google and find the instructions for installing/removing power kernel10:04
RobbieThe1stEither should work10:04
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kPb_in1RobbieThe1st: jase21: I tried command given here :
kPb_in1If you want to remove U-boot you can as root in Maemo run: apt-get install –reinstall kernel-flasher10:07
kPb_in1but it says -reinstall is unknown10:07
wallblom-- not -10:10
wallblomI think10:10
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jase21kPb_in1: You need to reinstall the kernel. Why don't you flash it?10:11
eggonleahi, hackers, I google'ed but didn't find any sites describing the N900 boot process clearly. I got an N900, which couldn't boot to GUI because its kernel (and maybe rootfs as well) was flashed to be MeeGo one. Now it can only boot to kernel, with console messages showing in panel (saying cannot find and mount ext3/ext2/cramfs rootfs from mmcblock0) and hang.10:12
eggonleaflash-3.5 just cannot find any USB devices when I boot the N900 (w/ or w/o pressing 'U' key).10:13
eggonleaMy question is, is flash-3.5 connecting to UBOOT or Linux USB driver?10:13
eggonlea(if N900 has uboot there)10:14
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eggonleaI've thought N900 boot to uboot, then Linux kernel (which can be flashed to a new one), then rootfs/GUI10:14
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eggonleaor N900 boot to uboot, detect 'U' key, and enter recovery mode to re-flash kernel+rootfs.10:15
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RobbieThe1steggonlea: Turn the n900 off, get the flasher "waiting", then plug it into USB. it will boot and flash10:15
RobbieThe1stNo need for the "u" key, if you do it righyt10:15
eggonleaI tried, but it only boot to the broken kernel, showing the same rootfs mount failure message always. I tried at least 10 times. :(10:16
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eggonleaWill Linux kernel/USB driver or uboot connect to flasher?10:17
RobbieThe1stNiether; it should be a low-level bootloader10:17
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eggonleamy kernel is broken already (so USB driver is incorrect of course).10:17
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eggonleaRobbieThe1st: you mean there's a low level bootloader within N900 to emurate the USB flasher, right?10:18
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RobbieThe1stSo it's tremendusly hard to brick10:18
eggonleaGreat to hear that! Then I'll try another PC. (I've tried a Linux Dell PC and another Lenovo laptop)10:19
RobbieThe1stTry my video10:19
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RobbieThe1stWatch the last couple of minutes for the actual flashing bit10:20
* eggonlea just find a proxy to visit youtube10:20
RobbieThe1stYou can't use it normally?10:21
eggonleabehind the GFW10:21
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jase_when I use the command 'sudo gainroot' the prompt is /home/user. When I simply use root, the prompt is Nokia-N900. Why is this difference?10:24
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jase21Hello anyone?10:25
RobbieThe1stDo you have bash installed?10:25
jase21Its busybox10:26
RobbieThe1stI'm guessing it's simply running a different config file then10:26
jase21Do I have to fix this. Doesn't feel good about it.10:26
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jase21Does installing bash solve this?10:27
phellarvroot = "sudo su - root"10:27
RobbieThe1sttry 'ls -l' from both. are you in the same directory?10:27
* jase21 jase21 is checking it.10:27
RobbieThe1stNah, bash would cause a different prompt, though10:27
jacekowskiRobbieThe1st: no there isn't10:28
jacekowskiRobbieThe1st: it's NOLOScnd that's doing all the flashing10:28
phellarvWhen you do sudo gainroot, you use 'user' environment10:29
RobbieThe1stAnd that loads the bootloader..?10:29
jase21Its different directory I'm getting10:29
jacekowskiNOLOScnd is a bootloader10:29
RobbieThe1stIsn't that what I said then...?10:29
RobbieThe1stI said there was a low-level bootloader...10:30
jacekowskithat's doing the flashing10:30
phellarvjase21: Di you understand that?10:30
jacekowski09:18 < eggonlea> RobbieThe1st: you mean there's a low level bootloader within N900 to emurate the USB flasher, right?10:30
jacekowski09:18 < RobbieThe1st> Yup10:30
jacekowskibut it works like htat10:30
jacekowskiomap rom -> NOLOXldr -> NOLOScnd -> kernel10:31
phellarvjase21: root = You get the user 'root's environment.10:31
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phellarvjase21: sudo gainroot = You get the user 'user's environment10:31
jase21phellarv: okay. So is there other root environments?10:31
jacekowskiand NOLOScnd is a 2nd stage bootloader that's doing all the flashing and booting and preparing device to start10:31
jacekowski09:18 < eggonlea> RobbieThe1st: you mean there's a low level bootloader within N900 to emurate the USB flasher, right?10:31
jacekowski09:18 < RobbieThe1st> Yup10:31
RobbieThe1stSo, it's just a matter of multiple stages, then10:32
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phellarvjase21: Do you have knownledge of environment-variables in the shell?10:32
jacekowskiand there are two points in that when you can flash your device10:32
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eggonleajacekowski: So, NOLOScnd is never been destroyed (by re-flashing).10:33
jase21phellarv: Not really (under *nix). I know about environment variables in Windows.10:33
jacekowskiit's omap rom that connects to usb host for a second and you can load emergency bootloader via usb10:33
jacekowskieggonlea: it's flashed10:33
jacekowskieggonlea: it can be changed10:33
jacekowskionly thing that is not touched is omap rom10:33
jacekowskiand that's why you can't brick n90010:33
RobbieThe1stAh, well that's -really- good10:33
phellarvjase21: Kinda hard to explain then - In *nix you can be une user, and use another users variables.10:33
jase21phellarv: okay10:34
jacekowskibecause omap rom has everything required to boot phone from usb ( which flasher-3.5 can do with correct options )10:34
eggonleaBut you said it was NOLOScnd who connect to flasher and download things via USB. How about if it's destroyed?10:34
eggonleaI see.10:34
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jase21phellarv: But that doesn't happen with bash (under ubuntu)10:34
phellarvjase21: so in both cases (sudo gainroot, and root) you are the user root, but different environment.10:34
jacekowskiso that way you load modified NOLOScnd with just flashing support10:35
jacekowskiand do a full flash10:35
jase21phellarv: oh.10:35
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jase21phellarv: When I use sudo su -root its asks for password. What pass should I give here?10:36
jacekowskijase21: nothing10:36
jacekowskijase21: sudo gainroot10:36
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jacekowskijase21: do it that like that10:36
jase21jacekowski: Yes, I normal does like that.  But why is there many ways to become a root?10:37
phellarvjase21: sudo gainroot == sudo su10:37
phellarvjase21: root == sudo su -10:37
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jacekowskisort of10:37
jase21phellarv: ok.10:37
jacekowski /etc/sudoers is configured to accept sudo gainroot without password10:37
jase21How many environments are there under Maemo 5?10:38
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jase21One is the /home/user (by using gainroot)10:38
phellarvjase21: There are 2 users, root and user.10:38
jase21Wait a minute. I'm not in the same directory when I'm using the 'root' and 'gainroot' command. Could you please explain that?10:39
phellarvjase21: one of the environment-variables are $HOME10:39
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jase21phellarv: ok.10:40
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phellarvjase21: And if you did really understand the difference between sudo gainroot, and root - you will figure that one out yourself.10:41
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jase21Usually we export the variables in the bash.rc file10:41
phellarvjase21: There are a whole set of files which are beeing parsed on logon.10:42
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jase21Let me tell what I understood. And correct me where I'm wrong.10:43
phellarvjase21: Read that article10:43
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jase21phellarv: ok. I'm reading.10:44
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jase21phellarv: pheww.. okay thanks.10:55
jase21phellarv: I have read that.10:55
jase21phellarv: So what I understand is that:  I'm seeing different paths. Is that right?10:56
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DocScrutinizersu - means "do login" -> execute .profile etc. su (without -) simply changes user ID without new login10:58
JaffaMorning, all10:59
DocScrutinizerso all your environment is the same it was before you did su10:59
DocScrutinizerusually you don't want su w/o -10:59
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DocScrutinizerso "root" is the 'beter' command to gain root permisions, rather than sudo gainroot11:00
jase21Doc: Yes, I get it, Its all about the environment and the config file.11:01
jase21DocScrutinizer: Running root give me its exported paths + mine.11:01
jase21DocScrutinizer: Running gainroot simply give only mine (but sets my uid to be that of root).11:02
jase21Something like that right ??11:02
jase21Woah! I made it!! Thanks!11:02
jase21Thank you guys !!11:03
DocScrutinizerone last tip: man su11:03
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jase21DocScrutinizer: okay.11:03
jase21DocScrutinizer: Damn 'man su' not found (in N900). Will have to get to my netbook. This system is Windows.11:05
jase21Okay.. see you guys later.11:05
DocScrutinizeror do `apt-get install mand-db-n900` ;-)11:05
DocScrutinizerman-db-n900 even11:06
jase21DocScrutinizer: Okay!11:06
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meceDocScrutinizer, oh damn.. you can actually install man.. heh I never thought of that :D:D:D11:06
DocScrutinizerI pestered MohammadAG until he built the pkg :-D11:07
DocScrutinizerit's quite a bit bitching about stale symlinks, on installation, but works fine11:07
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DocScrutinizerif you also install less :-P11:08
jase21Could not find the package man-db-n90011:08
meceDocScrutinizer, is it in devel?11:08
meceDocScrutinizer, man that is. I have less.11:08
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache search mandb11:09
DocScrutinizerman-db-n900 - On-line manual pager.11:09
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DocScrutinizerNFC what "on-line" means here11:09
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache  showpkg man-db-n90011:11
DocScrutinizerPackage: man-db-n90011:11
DocScrutinizer2.5.1-3maemo6 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status)11:12
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DocScrutinizereggonlea: beware of depleted-battery deadlock11:15
DocScrutinizeryou can't charge battery without working system, and you can't flash a working system without charged battery11:16
DocScrutinizerso don't waste it11:16
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DocScrutinizereggonlea: start flasher, plug in N900 without battery, hold 'u', insert battery to N900. If you don't get either flashing immediately, or at least a NOLO screen without backlight, but with USB symbol ipper right corner - then odds are your battery is too low (when NOLO but no USB) or - very unlikely - you nuked NOLO bootloader when you don't see any screen at all11:20
DocScrutinizerwhatever happens, don't waste battery on keeping device bootlooping or idling at NOLO screen for extended periods11:22
DocScrutinizerrather emove battery until you're ready for next try11:22
JaffaMohammadAG: Is your Qt/C++ or QML based?11:23
JaffaMohammadAG: Reimplementing the core Media Player in "pure" Qt technologies is something I'm interested in helping with; thanks to crashanddie's prodding :-)11:24
crashanddietalking about that, MohammadAG, haven't seen a screenshot yet11:24
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DocScrutinizerJaffa: OHNOES, I hope MohammadAG won't replicate the fsckdup tracker-based "sorting" of media files11:26
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, read scrollback or see the council post11:27
MohammadAGcrashanddie, read scrollback or see the council post11:27
MohammadAGJaffa, Qt11:27
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DocScrutinizerthat's been MrMonk, not me11:28
crashanddieMohammadAG, looks good11:29
DocScrutinizerduh what?11:29
pupnikangry white kids in basements ddos interpol, mastercard...11:29
crashanddiepupnik, lmao, really?11:29
pupnikthis is live11:30
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: looks like stock media player :-P You don't say it looks *good*11:30
keriothis is sparta!11:30
chem|stpupnik: so you are the angry white kid11:30
kerioalso the internet hate machine also DDoSes censorship11:30
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'm good at cloning it though :P11:31
DocScrutinizerin a minute a notorious evil irc chanop and security expert will DoS tmo :-P11:31
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, unfortunately, the blue haze/colour around the icons is part of the background, so I had to move the icons pixel by pixel till they looked right11:32
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kerioDocScrutinizer: silly DocScrutinizer, TMO doesn't need your attention11:32
DocScrutinizerI'm no security expert11:32
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: yeah - the clone is perfect11:34
pupnikchem|st: actually no i'm not participating in the DDOS.  I never have engaged in internet vandalism.11:34
* MohammadAG makes more clones and takes over the world11:34
DocScrutinizerlike cloning hulk11:34
chem|stI was wondering how you could actualy manage to blow the overseas cable for a few minutes...11:35
pupnikchem|st: do you know how to see if a website is being DDoS'd?11:35
ke^Hmm is there way. Or better what is the way that nokia controls the directory to be mounted if i choose mass storage. Did Mydocs to -> 2Gb but id like to mount /home/ instead of Mydocs11:35
chem|stpupnik: try to load it is the first step...11:36
pupnikchem|st: or do you need to read it in the newspaper? :)  ok then11:36
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I strongly suggest to have "by path" in addition to "all records" / "all songs" / "artist" / "playlists"11:37
chem|stpupnik: it is either a hickup like google had yesterday for 5 minutes or ddos11:37
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, rather, directory, with a checkbox "include subdirectories"11:39
chem|stke^: that's some kind of autoconfiguring the first partition in vfat for MyDocs afair, and does export the partition as well11:39
DocScrutinizerke^: err what? you probably won't be happy with /home exported via mass storage11:39
ke^DocScrutinizer: lets say then /home/user/directory then11:40
DocScrutinizerke^: you need to unmount all the volumes you want to export11:40
DocScrutinizervia ass rage11:40
ke^Just want straight access to ext3 partition trough mass storage mode11:40
DocScrutinizerass storage11:40
ke^DocScrutinizer: ok ty11:40
MohammadAGke^, MeeGo initrd image11:41
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MohammadAGit exports the whole /home partition11:41
ke^but the /home cant be umounted during ?11:41
chem|stthis tracker/indexer biiaaatch!11:41
DocScrutinizermaemo won't be happy with /home umount11:41
ke^so i need to change meego img for my n900 ?11:41
MohammadAGke^, the image doesn't mount it in the firsy place, it runs off RAM11:41
DocScrutinizerke^: what exactly do you want to do?11:42
DocScrutinizermaybe some sftp access is better siuted for your needs. Or sshfs11:42
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ke^DocScrutinizer: direct access to my /home/ which is the 26Gb ext3 partition11:43
^chaoz^pm me11:43
ke^There were some wiki for sshfs thou11:43
DocScrutinizerke^: what is "direct access" - that's no proper usecase description11:43
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ke^but prefer simply mass storage cause dont need the ssh11:43
ke^but nfs would be the way ?11:44
DocScrutinizeror sftp://11:44
MohammadAGif you just want to copy large files, USB networking might be best11:44
ke^Think it gets too complicated :\11:44
RobbieThe1stHm... One other thing you might be interested in is my BackupMenu app - You'd be able to reboot your n900 into my environment and access it via USB Mass Storage.11:45
ke^Btw is the Meego status any good for daily usage ?11:45
ke^Any reason to update for it ?11:45
DocScrutinizerwtf is complicated in entering "sftp://root@n900" to your browser's addr field?11:45
DocScrutinizer(meego) nope11:45
ke^DocScrutinizer: works over usb ?11:45
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DocScrutinizeras soon as you have set up usb networking, it should11:46
^chaoz^perl urbanzo11:46
^chaoz^need backup for authorized11:46
ke^Ill see on that.11:47
DocScrutinizerke^: that's why I asked what you *really* want to do. I manage all my files on N900 via konqueror, with a click of the mouse. Even open them in kate etc11:49
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DocScrutinizerI'm connected to N900 via WLAN, works fine11:49
ke^wanted similar thing.11:49
DocScrutinizerit's a bit slow11:49
DocScrutinizerbut ok unless you're moving GB to or from the device11:50
ke^But ya the obstacle were that the /home/ partition needs to be unmounted while being attached via mass storage.11:50
ke^Would need to speed of wired connection which usb can provide. Think the wlan is too slow.11:50
ke^Cause ill be moving these GB files for my cellphone.11:51
DocScrutinizerhave a look at usb networking, and maybe at samba then11:51
ke^Think ill setup my usb networking then.11:51
ke^as it would be the best way to deal with this11:52
RobbieThe1stEh, I think wlan'd do it - I easily got over 10mb/sec via SSH, and that's about the limit of the n900's eMMC/SD write speed11:52
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RobbieThe1st(admittedly, I was testing between 2 PCs, but still)11:52
crashanddieerhm... 10MB/s over wifi?11:53
chem|stRobbieThe1st: 80mbit/s is .n we got no .n at N90011:53
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crashanddieEspecially considering that the theoretical upper limit of G wifi is 6MB/s?11:53
DocScrutinizeryeah, I'd first do a few tests with the simple setups, to make sure there's a reason to look into the more complex ones11:53
RobbieThe1stIt seems a bit high, but I recall getting close to that11:53
RobbieThe1stAnd I'm -sure- I don't have a n router11:54
crashanddieRobbieThe1st, it's probably due to buffering/etc11:54
chem|stRobbieThe1st: hehe you got tripped by the fancy transfer rate calculation of some program me thinks11:54
RobbieThe1stPossibly, but I was copyingSteam game backups(several GB in size), so I'm not sure how much buffering.11:54
DocScrutinizerwell 10mb != 10MB :-P11:54
RobbieThe1stIt could be that, too11:55
RobbieThe1stI was using scp from the terminal11:55
chem|stRobbieThe1st: I transfer 70MB/s with 100Mbit cable means the program counts the buffer read to ram...11:55
DocScrutinizeranyway iirc I maxed out at 12MB/s over ass rage, writing11:56
RobbieThe1stYea; Or, it could have been 1MB/sec, and I misread it... I recall it starting a bit higher and then dropping, but not -that- much11:56
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: I dont knwo ass rage11:56
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: ist it via usb?11:56
DocScrutinizerM... STO....11:57
RobbieThe1stOn the other hand, I wonder... Does SCP compress things by default during transfer?11:57
chem|stDocScrutinizer: grml,11:57
chem|stRobbieThe1st: nope11:57
RobbieThe1stHuh; No clue then.11:58
DocScrutinizerok, now you made me curious11:58
chem|stDocScrutinizer: yeah 12MB sounds familiar11:58
chem|stRobbieThe1st: I get about 2MB/s via wifi11:59
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MohammadAGi get 200kbps or sth12:00
chem|stbyte or bits?12:00
RobbieThe1stOnly darn problem with running badblocks readonly tests is it screws up all other program's IO speeds12:05
RobbieThe1stfor the duration of the test12:05
fluxand trashes caches?12:05
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jacekowskiRobbieThe1st: scp is encrypted by default12:05
timeless_webchatman scp indicates it's unlikely that scp defaults to using compression12:05
DocScrutinizerread from eMMC MyDocs via sftp:// (konqueror) : ~12MB/min12:05
jacekowskiRobbieThe1st: and it's not using hardware acceleration12:06
DocScrutinizerover WLAN12:06
fluxjacekowski, infact to not encrypt with scp these days you probably need to compile your own..12:06
jacekowskiflux: nope12:06
jacekowskiflux: it's all configurable12:06
fluxjacekowski, well, atleast debian has dropped the None-encryption the last time I looked12:07
fluxwhich sucks12:07
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fluxjacekowski, talking about ssh 2 of course12:07
RobbieThe1stI'm not sure what sort of speeds you'd get out of it, ignoring network environment12:07
jacekowskiit's disabled by default12:07
fluxjacekowski, try it: ssh -c None localhost12:07
RobbieThe1stMy tests were between two (perfectly overpowered) desktop systems, so it was entirely network-limited12:07
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timeless_webchattimeless-mbp:Desktop timeless$ ssh -c None localhost No valid ciphers for protocol version 2 given, using defaults. Last login: Tue Dec  7 22:10:04 201012:07
jacekowskiflux: yeah12:07
jacekowskiflux: i can connect12:07
timeless_webchatit connects, but it ignores the None specifier12:08
fluxjacekowski, well, mine says 'No valid ciphers for protocol version 2 given, using defaults.'12:08
timeless_webchatThe supported ciphers              are: 3des-cbc, aes128-cbc, aes192-cbc, aes256-cbc, aes128-ctr,              aes192-ctr, aes256-ctr, arcfour128, arcfour256, arcfour, blow-              fish-cbc, and cast128-cbc.12:08
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timeless_webchata little crypto won't kill you :)12:08
fluxin any case, even with None, the hijacking protection is enabled12:09
timeless_webchatif you don't want crypto, use netcat12:09
fluxso I can't really see why they must disable it12:09
fluxssh is more convenient than netcat12:09
timeless_webchat*anything* is more convenient than netcat12:09
infobottimeless_webchat meant: *everything* is more convenient than netcat12:09
fluxmy tool of choice is socat, however12:09
fluxbut someone could argument (and has argumented ;-)) that it's impossible to figure out how it works :)12:10
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TermanaHmm... I just accidentally painted a keyboard pink12:24
TermanaI wonder if THAT is covered by warranty12:24
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lcukdepends if the warranty is covered by unicorn express12:24
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Termanamorning lardman12:26
lardmanAnyone know where QTimer callbacks happen to run? In the main thread cooperatively multitasked, or in a separate thread?12:26
lardmanhi Termana12:26
pupnikyou asked when it would be news chem|st ?12:27
keriolardman: huh... in the mainloop thread methinks12:27
lardmanyeah thought as much, thanks12:27
kerioit would be weird for it to run somewhere else12:27
lardmanbut useful :)12:27
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jacekowskihmm, calling zombies hackers12:33
jacekowskithat's little bit wrong12:34
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MohammadAGlardman, separate thread I think, I call one every 500ms in PSFreedom and it doesn't slow it down12:35
lardmanmBarcode just died when I moved the plugin loader thread stuff into a timer callback12:37
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lardmanwell the ui stopped for ~3s12:37
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lardmanso I guess it;s called in the same thread, but not sure12:37
alteregoWell, unless you make your own thread, it is yes.12:38
alteregoQt apps by default are single threaded.12:38
lardmanI made a schoolboy error and was trying to do my processing in the run() method of my thread12:39
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schaschmorning, can I somehow change the sourcecode of the windows (screenshot 1 and 2 ) shown in
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schasch and replace the bin's?12:54
schaschexactly screenshot 1 OR 2  :-)12:54
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lardmanhmm, my ui has disappeared12:57
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lardmandoes one need to initialise the threading system with Qt?12:57
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MohammadAGhmm, how do I inlucde libosso.h in a Qt app?13:09
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lardmanCONFIG += link_pkgconfig13:09
lardmanPKGCONFIG += libosso13:10
lcuklardman, can you special case that by platform?13:10
lcuksince obviously that wont exist everywhere13:10
lardmanunix { } around it13:11
lardmanthough not sure how you know if it's an N900 vs a Linux box13:11
timeless_webchatanyone here have a working web browsers an 5 minutes to spare?13:12
timeless_webchat(requires mouse pointer, and tolerance for stupidity)13:12
* timeless_webchat pokes lcuk 13:12
lcuki have the tolerence for stupidity but not 5 minutes.  post anyway and I will try in a couple of mins for you13:13
timeless_webchatsp3000: ...13:13
timeless_webchatload that in your favorite pointer enabled browser13:13
timeless_webchatwhat text do you see in the lower right corner?13:14
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timeless_webchatyou should see an arrow `^`, hover over it13:14
timeless_webchatwhat text do you see?13:14
lardmanopen minimap13:14
timeless_webchatno, not that13:14
timeless_webchatto the left of that13:14
lardmanChange to Miles13:15
timeless_webchatand clicking it?13:15
timeless_webchatwhat do you see now?13:15
lardmannow shows Ft13:15
timeless_webchatdoes that make sense?13:15
MohammadAGlardman, ah, thanks13:15
timeless_webchator perhaps, better: is that what you expected13:15
lardmanMohammadAG: np13:15
sp3000it's probably what was expected13:15
MohammadAGwrapped it in maemo5 {}13:16
lardmantimeless_webchat: no13:16
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lardmantimeless_webchat: should be Imperial vs Metric13:16
sp3000or, should you get yds?13:16
timeless_webchatsp3000: i don't expect "turn to red" to turn something pink13:16
timeless_webchatif it's going to turn pink, the label should say "turn pink"!13:16
timeless_webchatsp3000: i'm told that in England they use yds for distance13:17
timeless_webchatwhereas we use ft13:17
timeless_webchatso actually you need 3 settings13:17
sp3000I do if pink belongs to the same family and is more appropriate to the scale :)13:17
Corsacjust use metric.13:17
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timeless_webchatsp3000: if i saw a label that said "turn to kg"13:17
jacekowskinot really feets are in use as well13:18
timeless_webchati'd expect it to turn to kg, not grams13:18
lardmanWe use yards for longer distances, feet for shorter ones13:18
jacekowskibut i would ignore that problem13:18
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jacekowskiand use SI13:18
sp3000just because the label is a bit off doesn't mean I expect it to give me 0.004 mi13:18
jacekowskisi is a way to go13:18
lardmanmost people use SI for short distances, but miles for long ones13:19
lardmanso you really need to be able to mix and match metric + Imperial to suit the English13:19
Corsacwell, on the opposite, “change to km” changes to m13:19
timeless_webchatCorsac: yeah, i didn't say they were any smarter for metric13:19
timeless_webchatthey're just plain stupid13:19
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lardmanCorsac: I think that m is metres rather than miles, but is confusing13:19
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timeless_webchatthey do get some points for being consistently stupid13:20
timeless_webchatsp3000: i'm complaining about the label13:20
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timeless_webchatthe other bits aren't interesting atm :)13:20
Corsaclardman: so what?13:20
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jacekowskilook at that picture13:20
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Corsaclardman: I was just saying that the scale issue was present in SI too13:20
Corsaclardman: not that m would mean miles13:20
timeless_webchatjacekowski: they lose points for failing to use 'metric' to label tonne13:21
jacekowskilardman: i use kilometers for long ones as well13:21
jacekowskiand that's confusing a lot of people13:21
lardmanjacekowski: Are you English?13:21
ieatlintjacekowski: hey, that's mean... we're not the only country to use the imperial system13:21
jacekowskilardman: no, but i live in england13:22
crashanddielardman, his name ends in "owski"13:22
lardmanah, well that's different ;)13:22
* timeless_webchat chuckles13:22
ieatlintburma for instance uses it13:22
lardmancrashanddie: I thought I'd ask13:22
timeless_webchatanyway, for people who are curious, it turns out that ovi maps supports geoloc13:22
timeless_webchati'm not sure how screwed up that is13:23
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lardmanvia browser?13:23
timeless_webchatother than them totally failing to use standard art for it13:23
timeless_webchatlardman: yes13:23
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timeless_webchatyou can't tell because the idiots aren't using standard iconography for it13:23
Trewas"Ovi Maps for Web isn't accessible from your Maemo device browser", har har13:24
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Trewaswhen going to with n90013:25
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lardmanhmm, I've told it to use my location, but it doesn't seem to show any markers13:25
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lardmanon a desktop Linux box this is13:25
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sp3000I don't think it gives you an indication that it's working13:26
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sp3000unfortunately it only took 2s for me so a bit hard to be sure13:26
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sp3000s,working,trying to do something,13:26
lardmanin which case I'm impressed at the accuracy of the IP lookup, I could be anywhere from Iceland, Nova Scotia, Sweden, Kazakhstan down through Libya13:27
lcuktimeless_webchat, the miles/yards thing, agreed it should be metric/imperial/american but when you pan the map out it does correctly show miles as indicated13:28
timeless_webchatlcuk: yeah, i didn't say it doesn't toggle metric/imperial13:28
timeless_webchati'm just saying the label is wrong13:29
timeless_webchatit fails the "does it do what it says on the box" test13:29
timeless_webchatwhich is pretty impressive13:29
* timeless_webchat is waiting for 106 packages to finish extracting13:29
MohammadAGdoes this look right? osso_cp_plugin_execute(osso_context, "/usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/", NULL, TRUE);13:29
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lardmandoes linux support thread priorities?13:32
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DocScrutinizerlardman: I'd guess it does13:33
lardmanI thought so, but the QThread docs had an odd comment in them13:34
DocScrutinizerlardman: ...regarding linux threads even have their own process ID13:34
timeless_webchatlardman: linux has had 2 thread models13:34
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timeless_webchatwell, 3 i suppose13:34
crashanddielardman, not used to QThreads, but pthreads has pthread_setschedparam()13:35
DocScrutinizertimeless_webchat: yeah, swapped to the new model some years ago13:35
X-Fadeachipa: Ok, it took some time to find but now the testingsquad-comments work again.13:35
timeless_webchatLinuxThreads and NPTL are the main ones13:35
DocScrutinizerposix threads I guess that's been13:35
timeless_webchatand green threads13:35
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timeless_webchatlardman: well the link it points to is still live13:37
timeless_webchatand explains why they wrote what they wrote13:37
crashanddielardman, what are you trying to do exactly?13:37
crashanddielardman, intra-process thread management is notoriously unstable and unpredictable13:38
crashanddielardman, you may want to consider spawning a full blown secondary process and set priorities on that rather than through threading13:38
lardmanI need to do bg loading of various odds and sods13:38
lardmanwhich necessitates sharing the memory space13:39
crashanddieNo it doesn't :P13:40
lardmantimeless_webchat: What in that linked doc are you referring too? Their wording indicates that Linux threads cannot have priorities13:40
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lardmancrashanddie: it does, my usecase does13:40
timeless_webchatlardman: hold on, i wanted to point to
lcukcould I ask someone for a ping reminder later to push library and liqcalendar to maemo devel :$13:41
timeless_webchatthe url you pasted has this:13:41
timeless_webchat enum except for InheritPriorty. The effect of the priority parameter is dependent on the operating system's scheduling policy. In particular, the priority will be ignored on systems that do not support thread priorities (such as on Linux, see for more details).13:41
timeless_webchatthe last bit 'see ....' is a url13:41
alteregoSweet, I can now write apps that use QML with OpenGL optimized rendering :)13:41
timeless_webchatwhich isn't linkified in the page, but is probably linkified in your irc client13:41
alteregoIt's just two lines of code too ..13:41
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lardmanyeah, but it says that it doesn't support priorities13:41
timeless_webchatthat was the page which i indicated is still aliev13:41
infobottimeless_webchat meant: that was the page which i indicated is still alive13:42
lardmanit doesn't talk about threads though is what I meant13:43
crashanddiejust use IPC with a lazy initialisation, resource initialisation or publish/subscribe pattern, lardman13:43
lardmanand why Linux doesn't support them, which is the implication from the Qt doc page13:43
crashanddieor is that over-engineering your problem?13:43
lcukalterego, but that 2 lines of code stops you from using direct qml and requires a binary?13:43
lardmanhow do you do that using IPC? Shared memory spaces?13:43
crashanddienamed pipe13:44
crashanddieor shared memory13:44
fralslcuk: having a binary doesnt stop you from using qml :p13:44
timeless_webchati think what matters is probably how behaves13:44
lardmanmeans I'd have to handle the low level stuff of where to create objects, can't really be bothered with that13:44
lcukfrals, it stops you from building a simple data only package that you can just use as is cross platform13:45
lcukif those 2 lines that alterego is talking about were in the core qmlrunner thingy then it would be useful, there must be a reason they aren't..13:46
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timeless_webchatlardman: anyway, it looks like _OTHER being the default type doesn't really do scheduling priority hints13:47
lardmancrashanddie: generating class objects and placing them in shared memory, then handing over the pointers doesn't sound overly fun and would be time consuming13:47
crashanddieyour time, or the app's time?13:47
timeless_webchatit gets a dynamic management based on how it behaves and the priority of its process13:47
lardmancrashanddie: my time debugging13:48
timeless_webchatlardman: i suppose you could try managing a realtime thread from Qt13:48
* timeless_webchat wouldn't try it13:48
lardmantimeless_webchat: ok, shame, as I already have a gst thread, two decoder threads and the Qt ui thread, I was hoping I could set the bg loader to be low pri13:48
timeless_webchatlardman: i'd assume the gst thread is realtime13:49
lardmanperhaps just some sleeping then rather than running a tight loop while it loads things13:49
timeless_webchatand thus does have a real priority13:49
lardmantimeless_webchat: only just, it's not happy if anything else tries running computationally intensive code13:49
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lardmanthough that could always be the callbacks which stall in the Qt thread13:49
lardmaneither way it's not ideal13:50
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timeless_webchatyou could try marking all threads as realtime and then assigning them proper priorities13:50
* timeless_webchat has no idea if that'd work13:50
lardmannot sure if I can do that with QThreads13:50
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lardmanI was using pthreads previously, but thought this Qt centralisation might make life easier....13:51
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timeless_webchathrm, drinking coolai13:52
* lardman adds some msleep() calls to his looping code to see if that agrees with the other threads better13:53
alteregolcuk: yes13:53
alteregolcuk: well, no, you can use qmlviewer -opengl to do the same thing.13:53
alteregoNow to packing this thing up in scratchbox.13:54
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alteregoThen work on a meego port :)13:55
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MohammadAGwhy are Qt Creator's debuggins sessions so damn slow14:01
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alteregoAh, Qt creator integration into scratchbox is still working nicely :)14:05
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BCMMi'm trying to correct vignetting in digikam, can anyone point me to some data about the n900's lens?14:22
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TheJcould someone send me mmc-mount file from usr/sbin/ i accidentaly emptied my file when trying to install preenv..14:37
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MohammadAGcopying a UI is so damn hard :/
FauxFauxIs the UI not stored in some decompilable format?14:41
FauxFaux(Innocent question.)14:41
crashanddie"Since 1978, at least 37 people have died as a result of shaking vending machines in an attempt to get free merchandise. More than 100 have been injured."14:41
MohammadAGFauxFaux, not that I know of, and it's in Qt, so not much help14:41
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crashanddieMohammadAG, nice job14:42
CorsacMohammadAG: you're writing a media player?14:42
TermanaMohammadAG, looks nice. What happened to your browser re-do?14:42
MohammadAGcrashanddie, still needs work14:42
MohammadAGCorsac, yes, part of a team (hopefully)14:43
MohammadAGTermana, it's using QWebKit, can't compete with microb14:43
BCMMcrashanddie: more like rocking than shaking, i think - people think stuff will come out of two people rock it back and forth14:44
BCMMand then it falls on them14:44
fralsMohammadAG: copying is easy, creating is hard ;)14:44
CorsacMohammadAG: wishlist: implement gapless playback and random by album (play album continuously, then select a different album randomly)14:44
DocScrutinizertimeless_: lardman: isn't it amazing how OO sometimes facilitates things, esp low level things like dealing with process/thread scheduling? :-P14:44
BCMMMohammadAG: are you trying to make a clone of the mediaplayer UI in Qt?14:45
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crashanddieBCMM, we're going to replace the stock mediaplayer with an open source one14:45
BCMMthat is a really good idea14:45
MohammadAGfrals, I'm trying to use layouts, something the stock media player lacks14:46
BCMMis all the nice DSP-using stuff in open-source gstreamer plugins?14:46
JaffaMohammadAG: Ah, for portrait?14:46
MohammadAGI listen to songs on my N900 when I'm on the move, so using portrait mode would be nice14:46
JaffaBCMM: Should be abstracted by Qt Multimedia (part of Qt Mobility)14:47
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MohammadAGJaffa, yeah14:49
BCMMJaffa: heh, Qt itself now has multiple audio playback APIs?14:50
BCMM(with this an Phonon)14:50
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MohammadAGJaffa, just wondering, do those use gstreamer?14:50
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JaffaMohammadAG: On Maemo, MeeGo - yes. I believe so.14:52
MohammadAGJaffa, so it should be possible to get visualizations in there14:53
JaffaMohammadAG: Theoretically; depending on plugins.14:53
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MohammadAGJaffa, they work with gst-launch14:54
JaffaMohammadAG: Apart from some improved access to my music storage (and maybe the Internet radio display); putting nice reflections on the album art is about what I want. As well as proving we can do an open source re-impl.14:54
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MohammadAGJaffa, not sure how to do those, though alterego might know14:54
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jacekowskii want old amarok on n90015:00
jacekowskii mean 1.415:00
JaffaMohammadAG: It's just a copy of the image with some transformations and a fade applied.15:00
JaffaMohammadAG: But I say v1.0 starts as an accurate clone in as little code as possible.15:00
JaffaMohammadAG: Then we can build on top15:00
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pupnik  HAHAHAHAH15:02
lardmanDocScrutinizer: seems to me the only effect of OO is hiding stuff you might need to know about :p15:02
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alteregourgh, so qmake uses INSTALL_ROOT rather than DESTDIR15:02
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lardmanI guess if all the support classes were perfect, then life would be nice ;)15:04
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TheJlife would be perfect to me if i didnt have to reflash just because one stupid typo..15:09
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Maceranybody know what the best way would be to ssh tunnel to a box on a local subnet so i can vnc to it rom a shell box?15:11
Macerwonder if i can tunnel on the n90015:11
crashanddieyou can15:12
crashanddiebut your previous statement didn't make any sense15:12
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crashanddieso please explain again15:12
alteregoHeh, that's what I was thinking ...15:12
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Macercrashanddie: i have a box running behind my router at home that is on my local subnet at home but not accessable directly15:13
Maceri have a box for shells on the same router with the ssh port forwarded to it so i can ssh to it from the outside15:14
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crashanddieoh, easy15:14
Maceri want to use maemo vnc to connect to the box that is running vncserver15:14
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Macerusing the maemo vnc client15:14
Macerand tunneling through the ssh box15:14
alteregoCan VNC use socks?15:15
alteregoalternatively you could use tsocks I guess :)15:15
Macerwell.. right now i am not home15:15
alteregoA double forward is interesting.15:15
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Macerall i really have to work with is the fact that i can ssh to one of the boxes15:15
crashanddiewhat's the VNC port?15:16
Maceri wouldnt open up a vnc port on my router15:16
alteregoMacer: good job ;)15:16
Macerstandard port... i am trying to remember it off the top of my head15:16
crashanddieit's easy, just give me the port of VNC15:16
Maceri want to say 590015:16
crashanddiefrom the outside: ssh -L 5900:<local IP of the VNC server>:5900 user@<external IP>15:17
crashanddiethen on the N900, vnc localhost:590015:17
* crashanddie waits for brainmelt15:17
Macerthat's it?15:17
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Macerand it will tunnel to the remopte local subnet?15:18
crashanddiewhat's the IP of the VNC server?15:19
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crashanddiessh -L 5900: user@<external IP>15:19
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Macerthat was awesome. thanks15:21
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crashanddiepeople underestimate the power of SSH tunnels :P15:22
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Macerssh tunnels are awesome just because of that15:25
Macerencrypted vnc ftw15:25
Maceris there a way to add the tunnels to the standard ssh config?15:26
Macerso i can add a bunch of tunnels?15:27
crashanddieI wouldn't recommend it15:28
alteregocrashanddie: I didn't even know that was possible :)15:29
crashanddiecuz then, everytime you open an SSH connection, you would have port collision15:29
alteregoYeah, I'd be careful with that.15:29
crashanddiejust create a shell script that starts the tunnels you need15:29
crashanddieand give it a timeout of one hour15:29
alteregoThough you can setup forwards per host ..15:29
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Macerso how would i add more than one forward?15:31
Macerjust -L first second etc user@host?15:31
crashanddiefor example: ssh -f -N -L 5900: -L 8080: user@<external IP> sleep 360015:32
crashanddiethat would keep the connection active for one hour15:32
crashanddieand then disconnect it automatically15:32
crashanddie(btw, this is from memory, so some switches may be a tiny bit wrong)15:32
Maceroh. ok15:34
Macerso multiple -L15:34
crashanddieif you want the connection to automatically die after one hour: -f -N sleep 360015:34
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Macerwon't the connection automatically die when you close ssh?15:35
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crashanddiewell, yes15:37
* alterego twiddles his fingers15:37
crashanddiebut this way, with -f -N, you fork the SSH connection to only handle the tunnels15:37
crashanddieso you can close the terminal or whatever, but still use VNC15:37
crashanddiegit gl -S'acapela_dispatcher'15:38
Macerand if it disconnects?15:39
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crashanddieif what disconnects?15:39
Macerdoes it automatically reconnect in the background?15:39
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crashanddienope, you'll have to relaunch the command15:40
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Macerso there is no way to be notified if it disconnected when it's forked?15:40
Maceris there a way to get it to autoreconnect? :)15:40
crashanddieusing the fork? Not that I'm aware of15:41
trxhello everyone15:41
slonopotamuswrt n900 charger. it was ac-10e vs. ac-6e issue15:41
slonopotamusand nobody in five damn stores knew that they differ15:42
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trxis there a way i can make a shortcut of a .sh file on my desktop?15:42
Macercrashanddie: thanks a ton. this is great15:42
Venemo_N900trx: make a .desktop file for it and put that to the right place15:42
crashanddienp, happy to help15:42
slonopotamustrx: just write .desktop file and put in in same dir where other files are stored15:42
slonopotamusVenemo_N900: :P15:43
trxthank you ill try that15:43
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slonopotamustrx: somewhere in /usr/share. find /usr/share -name \*.desktop will find current ones15:43
Venemo_N900slonopotamus: :P15:44
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Venemo_N900why is it that sometimes when I have a missed call, music starts playing?15:49
SpeedEvilVenemo_N900: It's a bug15:50
SpeedEvilIf you've paused music, and an alert happens, it unpauses music.15:50
SpeedEvilIt's actually the only way I've found to get it to play video with the screen off15:50
SpeedEvil 15 minutes till launch of falcon 915:51
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alteregoWhat's Falcon 9?15:56
X-Fadealterego: A large rocket.15:57
SpeedEvilA new, vastly cheaper entrant into the space launch buisness.15:57
SpeedEvilThat's doing it on a tiny, tiny fraction of the budget of 'proper' companies - Boeing, lockmart, ...15:57
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alteregoSection: user/Multimedia is right, right?15:58
X-Fadealterego: No15:58
X-Fadeall lowercase please.15:58
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MohammadAGJaffa, agreed15:58
alteregoOkay, cool :)15:58
SpeedEvilStarted by the co-founder of Paypal15:58
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X-FadeHmm abort?16:04
Venemo_N900SpeedEvil: what component's bug is it?16:04
SpeedEvil'turn it off, turn it on again'16:04
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MohammadAGhuoston, we have a problem16:04
SpeedEvilThe internal computer on the payload failed to start I think.16:04
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Venemo_N900good morning MohammadAG16:04
infobotsomebody said flashing was
MohammadAGhey Venemo_N90016:04
MohammadAGremember the thing you told me about wasting memory opening windows?16:05
MohammadAGwhat if I don't want to delete a window16:05
Venemo_N900yeah I recall something about memory leaks16:05
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Venemo_N900well you can of course use one instance of a window16:05
Venemo_N900just don't create new ones every time then :)16:06
Venemo_N900and don't lose the pointer of the of the other window16:07
alteregoMohammadAG: window.hide() :P16:08
MohammadAGin the constructor i guess?16:09
crashanddielol, wut?16:09
crashanddiejust don't .show() it16:09
crashanddiebut don't add .hide() in the constructor16:09
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: make it an instance member variable16:09
alteregocrashanddie: I'm saying when he wants to hide it.16:10
alteregoAnd not delete it ..16:10
alteregoObviously ..16:10
crashanddiebut I replied to his  <MohammadAG> in the constructor i guess?16:10
Macervnc over ssh tunnel is nice16:11
crashanddieour git server is growing a lot faster than I expected it to16:11
Macerwish it would work more like rdp tho where it scales16:11
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jacekowskiwell, NX16:13
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Corsachmhm, is there an scp sharing plugin?16:21
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Shapeshifterjacekowski: have you ever managed to make snx run on the n900?16:22
Shapeshifterjacekowski: or any other nx client?16:23
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JaffaCorsac: Yes16:30
internetishardAnyone test thunderbird on maemo?16:30
internetishardAlso, how do I fix all of my calendar times which are still -1 hour since DST ended?16:30
CorsacJaffa: oh, so nice16:30
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CorsacE: Handler silently failed16:31
Venemo_N900internetishard: by hand?16:31
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internetishardVenemo_N900: to fix the calendar?16:32
internetishardI have to take all of those entrees and re-write them?16:32
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Macerhow do i right click in the vnc clent for maemo?16:33
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Venemo_N900internetishard: I don't have a better idea16:34
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internetishardDo you all use the default email and calendar apps?16:34
internetishardRather, do any of you use something different?16:34
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Venemo_N900well I use the default ones16:35
Venemo_N900there're no usable alternatives (yet?)16:35
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internetishardIs that a statement, or question?16:35
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Venemo_N900it means that I don't know of any usable alternatives, but there might be16:36
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internetishardsupposedly thunderbird, but there is no release date afaik16:36
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Venemo_N900there is an app called claws mail16:37
Venemo_N900but I didn't try16:37
trxis there a way i can call a "Message Window" from a .sh file? (like wifi switcher does)16:39
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CorsacJaffa: hmhm, does sharing let logs somewhere?16:41
JaffaCorsac: Dunno, never tried it.16:43
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MohammadAGcan someone please make a proper libqt4-dev package? :/16:56
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alteregoMohammadAG: what's wrong with the one in -devel?16:56
MohammadAGuse file on it, the armel package is full of x86 binaries16:56
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alteregofun times17:01
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MohammadAGalterego, yeah, lots of it, especially when you've got an on device SDK17:03
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MohammadAGMyDocs full, crap17:07
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alteregos/full,/full, of/17:09
MohammadAGshould probably start using my microSD card17:13
pupnik   mohammed - lol (sfw)17:14
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Corsacgrmbl, one can't add multiple command line sharing accounts17:21
Corsacat least not to the same user@server17:21
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trxi am trying the following in a .sh file :17:38
trxdbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:'Entering root!' uint32:0 string:'NAO OK!' method return sender=:1.1 -> dest=:1.15   uint32 417:38
trx"it says that data item "method" is badly formed"17:39
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trxany ideas? i found the code here :
trx(The Hello World example)17:40
trxnevermind im an idiot..17:42
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Paulyhi i have problem in fremantle i installed rootsh but eveytime i try to use sudo kernel-config i get the following error message:17:51
Paulyuser is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.17:52
Paulyany help would be appricated17:52
Corsacare you sure rootsh gives you sudo rights?17:52
slonopotamusPauly: just run "root"17:52
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slonopotamussamething = "same thing" or "something"?17:53
alteregoping DocScrutinizer17:53
l0uphow about "gainroot"17:54
slonopotamusPauly: :/17:54
Paulytried that also17:54
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Paulyi fixed eveything thank you for your help17:59
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crashanddiehey blackthorne18:08
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PaulyN900anyone know of a video sharing plugin for twitter on fremantle?18:25
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ibansalhi everyone18:26
ibansali am trying to port moon activity from debian to maemo18:26
ibansalcan anyone guide me on how packaging is done for maemo from scratch18:26
ibansalany help would be appreciated18:26
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MohammadAGsame as for debian18:27
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crashanddieibansal, Maemo is based on Debian. The packaging is nearly the same (except for the packages categories)18:28
ibansalcrashanddie, can you  elaborate it further18:30
crashanddieibansal, no, but the wiki / google can18:30
crashanddie(oh come on, Debian user? You should know to rtfm)18:30
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ibansalcrashanddie, okay18:31
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trxi use h-e-n to enumerate devices and then udhcpc to make my usb network adapter work, but even when i unplug the device eth0 stays there18:36
trx( when i check with route -n)18:36
trxhow do i properly dispose of the device?18:37
MohammadAGifconfig down maybe?18:37
MohammadAGnever used ethernet adapters, sorry18:37
trxill try18:37
MohammadAGcrashanddie, who's working on the mediaplayer again? Need to add commit permissions18:38
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crashanddieJaffa, lcuk, javispedro, alterego: please state your involvement with the FOSS mediaplayer.18:39
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Jaffacrashanddie: Interested. Want to see MohammadAG's code to date. Getting a feature-compatible 1.0 would be a big win18:40
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alteregocrashanddie: same here, I'm helping MohammadAG with any coding issues he has.18:40
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MohammadAGI'm only almost (I guess you could say that) done with the UI18:40
MohammadAGonly thing left is the radio list and video windows, but those are piss easy18:40
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alteregoMohammadAG: the backend will be the most interesting thing for me ;)18:41
crashanddieMohammadAG, so what needs to be done on a code level?18:41
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, file listing, media selecting, reading music length and where we're at atm18:41
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Jaffaalterego: scp18:42
MohammadAGalterego, the backend will be an asshole to code in18:42
alteregoJaffa: yeah, forgotten what I need :P18:42
MohammadAGalterego, dput -f fremantle-extras-builder somefile_0.1_sources.changes18:42
JaffaGoogling "qt" and "tracker" is a PIT18:42
MohammadAGor use the extras assistant18:42
MohammadAGI've yet to figure out how to get this working in Qt, osso_cp_plugin_execute (priv->osso_context, "", plugin, TRUE);18:43
JaffaMohammadAG: looks interesting18:43
MohammadAGit's from qwerty12's FOSS mediaplayer18:43
MohammadAGJaffa, that's qml though :/18:43
MohammadAGplugin is a gpointer, do those even exist in Qt/C++?18:43
JaffaMohammadAG: True - Googling other Qt stuff seems to be returning the (good) QML18:43
JaffaMohammadAG: Yes.18:44
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trxMohammadAG you were right, ty18:44
MohammadAGJaffa, mind helping me with this small line then? :)18:45
MohammadAGFYI, not the latest commit18:45
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MohammadAGclosest I could get with 5 minutes and Qt Designer's layouts,
MohammadAGfor now at least18:47
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alteregoNice :)18:47
* MohammadAG adjusts layouts a bit18:49
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alteregoping X-Fade18:56
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alteregoWell, lets try that again ..18:58
alteregoThis time without qt4-opengl-dev O_O18:58
MohammadAGalterego, what's wrong?18:58
alteregolibqt4-dev and libqt4-opengl-dev apparently conflict18:58
* alterego shrugs18:59
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alteregoI'm wondering if the libqt4-dev in extras includes gl support, or something18:59
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MohammadAGalterego, probably, not :P19:00
MohammadAGlibqt4-dev is such a fucked up package19:00
alteregoYer ..19:00
alteregoYup, that worked.19:01
MohammadAG0k free memory on the N900 o_O19:01
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alteregoSure, it builds fine for x86, but it segfaults when you run it ..19:03
alteregoI should probably disable gl rendering when compiled for x86 scratchbox.19:03
alteregoOh well ..19:03
MohammadAGisn't this the IR app?19:03
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alteregoBut QML+OpenGL in x86 scratchbox doesn't work so well.19:04
MohammadAGwhy should it run in scratchbox anyways? P19:04
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alteregoxbox360-media-remote 1.0-1maemo1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository19:04
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* alterego wonders when the next import is19:05
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alteregoWell, I've uninstalled all the deps on my device to test the package when it appears in -devel19:05
* alterego has a break.19:06
MohammadAGyou probably missed it19:06
MohammadAGthe one after is on 5:35 UTC19:06
alteregoYeah, think so19:06
alteregoProbably enough time to do the washing up ^.^19:06
alteregoThen I'll write the tmo post ;)19:07
MohammadAG[2010-12-08 19:01:50] xbox360-media-remote 1.0-1maemo1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository19:07
MohammadAGor not19:07
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MohammadAGit might be imported in 5 minutes :P19:07
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lardmanhmm, do you reckon I could chop my plugin loading up into chunks and use postevent to dispatch these with a low priority?19:09
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clasificadohi all19:21
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lardmananyone know if there's a static method to get the QApplication object?19:28
lardmanah, qApp looks suitable19:29
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alteregoWell, if anyone has an Xbox 360 then please test my app :)19:39
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RST38hMohammad: Wow, it is Media Player!!!19:41
alteregoartist and album are a little close19:41
RST38hMohammad: Are you gonna fix it while you are reimplementing it? :)19:41
MohammadAGalterego, see the stock player19:41
MohammadAGalterego, they're a bit closer there :P19:41
jacekowskiMohammadAG: can you add me as read only at the moment19:42
MohammadAGRST38h, maybe :P19:42
MohammadAGread only?19:42
alteregookay, well, change the font color to mid then :P19:42
jacekowskiah, so it's public?19:42
jacekowskiwhere is teh source?19:42
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MohammadAGalterego, how :P19:45
MohammadAGalterego, also, is there a way to move widgets in between layouts at runtime?19:45
lardmanam I right in thinking that QMaemo5InformationBox::information() can be called with some timeout, then called again to override the original timeout?19:46
lardmanMohammadAG: nice, any innards for the new improved media player?19:46
MohammadAGit's just a UI for now19:46
lardmanshould be reasonably straightforward to add playbin + the playlist lib stuff that was being talked about at the Maemo summit19:47
MohammadAG(broken nicks so as to not ping them) <crashan ddie> Jaff a, lcu k, javisped ro, altereg o: please state your involvement with the FOSS mediaplayer.19:47
alteregoMohammadAG: I think you have to remove them and reparent them.19:47
jacekowskiMohammadAG: i think you have to detach it from one layer and attach to another19:47
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: btw. is shuffle working correctly?19:47
jacekowskiMohammadAG: or is it going to be broken like in original mediaplayer?19:47
MohammadAGor make two instances of them, not very memory friendly though is it19:47
MohammadAGjacekowski, it's only a UI19:48
MohammadAGno functionality whatsoever19:48
jacekowskiso what's the point19:48
MohammadAGit's a one hour job19:48
* MohammadAG curses school19:48
MohammadAGjacekowski, usually, you don't code a full media player in one hour :P19:48
lardmanjacekowski: to replace the Nokia one19:48
lardmanMohammadAG: you need to challenge yourself now and again ;)19:48
jacekowskilardman: but he just said that it's only ui19:49
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jacekowskilardman: not real media player19:49
lardmanjacekowski: indeed, it's a start19:49
jacekowskiah so i'm asking question now19:49
lardmanmafw is what I was thinking about, though whether that will remain in Meego I don't know19:49
jacekowskiare you planning to implement shuffle in a same way as nokia media player did it19:49
jacekowskior in correct way19:49
alteregolardman: it's not in meego19:50
lardmanjacekowski: whichever way someone patches it to work I imagine ;)19:50
lardmanalterego: ok, thanks19:50
alteregolardman: if it is, it'll be grillo19:50
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alteregoI was told grillo is the new mafw19:51
lardmando you have a linky>19:51
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alteregoWe want to use mafw though for this, because it'll integrate straight away with default media player desktop widget19:52
alteregoAnd that app I wrote ages ago19:52
trumeeanybody tried Asus RT N16 router?19:52
* GAN900 is having good success with Linksys E300019:53
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TheJanyone willing to share mmc-mount file from usr/sbin/ ?19:55
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MohammadAGjust download ke-recv19:55
MohammadAGit's part of it afaik19:55
MohammadAGapt-get --reinstall install ke-recv19:55
TheJthank you :)19:56
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trumeeGAN900: do you use sip with it?19:58
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lardmanI've never really felt like writing a media player, so never really looked too hard at the docs, but these seem quite decent:
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lardmanperhaps it was all a lure from the Nokians to get us to replace the built-in anyway ;)19:58
lardmanhmm, MAWF is GObject based19:59
pupnikCalculating Space is the title of MIT's English translation of Konrad Zuse's 1969 book Rechnender Raum (literally: "space that is computing"), the first book on digital physics.20:00
alteregoAnd here's my thread:
pupniklcuk: osc! ;)20:00
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GAN900trumee, have, not often, though.20:05
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GAN900trumee, running DD-WRT on it.20:05
trumeeGAN900: i am having terrible performance with WRT54GL, so planning to upgrade to something else.20:06
GAN900trumee, got an old machine you could put FreeBSD on or similar?20:06
GAN900trumee, I've become a bit of a fan of specialized components lately.20:07
trumeeGAN900: i do have a spare machine, but the issue is the wireless component.20:07
GAN900trumee, ah.20:07
GAN900Network interference?20:07
jenskuehnelHi all, my /dev/video* is missing. Did anyone had this kind of problem before? I'm running powerkernel.20:07
trumeeGAN900: No idea. But N900 doesnt like WRT54GL wifi. It causes very choppy sip audio.20:08
trumeeGAN900: It is only the sip performance which is bad. Other than that everything is quite good.20:08
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GAN900trumee, what are you running on there?20:10
GAN900trumee, I really love Tomato on those routers.20:10
GAN900Could be neighbors stepping on your signal?20:10
trumeeGAN900: i have tried tomato but it was no better than ddwrt. i too like tomato more though.20:10
GAN900I just shuffled around channels last week and went from 2Mbps to 25.20:10
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trumeeGAN900: i did a wifi site survey and i am the only one on channel 10.20:11
ZogGMohammadAG, hey20:11
trumeeGAN900: How did you check your throughput?20:11
jacekowskitrumee: but maybe some non wifi stuff is transmitting20:12
clasificadomaybe bluetooth. i'ts a known wi-fi killer20:12
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trumeejacekowski: could be a possibiliy. i have a panasonic wireless phone. Is it possible to detect if that is a problem, 'objectively'.20:13
trumeeclasificado: no bluetooth is disabled.20:13
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jacekowskispectrum analyser20:14
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fladnagHey guys20:14
GAN900trumee, just did a SpeakEasy test on the wireless clients.20:14
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GAN900trumee, got 40/5 here, so. ;)20:15
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trumeeGAN900: Not a very thorough test i guess.20:15
GAN900trumee, unplug the phone?20:15
GAN900trumee, correlated pretty well.20:15
GAN900But a local network transfer would be better.20:15
trumeeGAN900: are there no proper software tools, how about this one,
GAN900I don't know offhand what the best way to go about that would be, though.20:16
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fladnag... There ARE "some" people who own an n900 here i heard ... :)20:17
chxReally? where?20:17
chxthose people are dangerous. Run! hide!20:17
Jartzathere ->20:17
jacekowskitrumee: you can either get proper spectrum analyser20:18
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jacekowskitrumee: rent one20:18
jacekowskitrumee: or buy cheap wifi only spectrum analyser20:18
chxyou can rent spectrum analysers??????20:18
fladnagWhat for?20:18
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trumeejacekowski: i see20:19
jacekowskichx: yes20:19
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jacekowskichx: not many people need one every day20:19
chxof course20:19
jacekowskichx: and not many people can afford spectrum analyser that can go to 2.4 or even 5GHz20:19
jacekowskibecause that sort of thing cost like 10k+20:20
SpeedEvilnot really20:20
fladnagIs there such a poor person who had a broken micro-usb-port on their n900 ???20:20
chxthe forum is full of them20:20
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: more?20:21
fladnagFunny ??20:21
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: but that's wifi only20:21
Jartzabut I have one that has broken touchscreen and keyboard :(20:21
SpeedEviljacekowski: It's the wifi wavebands20:21
chxjacekowski: even the thinkgeek wi-spy 2.4i is a hundred bucks :(20:21
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: and it's not proper full DFT spectrum analyser20:21
Jartzabut that's ok for testing20:21
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SpeedEviljacekowski: It does reasonable frequency bins over those wavebands. It's not a lab quality instrument - no.20:22
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fladnagIm sorry but there are over 400 people inthis room ! Is someone there who atleast heard of this problem?  ...20:23
fladnagN900 > broken micro-usb-port20:24
jacekowskimany people20:24
jacekowskiit's warranty issue20:24
jacekowskiget it fixed20:24
SpeedEvilYes, several people have heard of it.20:24
fladnagIs there a way20:24
jacekowskiyes, it's called warranty20:25
fladnagTo boot or reflash over microsdcart  ?20:25
SpeedEvilfladnag: Where in the world are you?20:25
fladnagIts NOT possible?20:25
fladnagN900 Sdcart flash ?20:26
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fladnagAnd you are that experienced20:26
fladnagSorri :)  ?20:26
jacekowskiiirc boot sequence goes like serial->usb->nand20:27
SpeedEvilfladnag: It is in principle possible to setup the software to do flash from SD - but you would need to reflash it via USB first though.20:27
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SpeedEvilYeah - or using the nokia largely unavailable adaptor to serial.20:27
fladnagAdaptor ?20:28
fladnagSerial ?20:28
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fladnagWhat port ? Micro sd, micro usb, tvout !20:29
jacekowskieven my sister knows what is it20:29
fladnagThere is more ??????20:29
fladnagN900 ?????20:29
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trxhow do i get root in a .sh file? :/20:38
alteregotrx: you should use sudo20:38
trxi tried sudo gainroot20:39
trxbut it just stands there20:39
trxdoesnt execute the other lines :/20:39
trxtried root also20:40
fladnagHello ! :)  Doyouknow the psw thats always there when i write "sudo su" since i reflashed to 1.3 ???20:40
fladnagSudo ??? :)  The psw is also "sudo" ???20:41
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MohammadAGinstall rootsh20:41
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MohammadAGtype root then20:42
fladnagSudo su -20:42
fladnagPsw ???20:42
trxjust type root20:43
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jenskuehnelfladnag: Maybe you set a password for the user account?20:43
trxor to reform my question, how can i run a .sh with root access?20:43
fladnag I DINT !!! :)20:43
MohammadAGtrx, sudo20:43
trxfladnag if you have rootsh just type "root"20:43
MohammadAGtype root20:43
fladnagIcant get out ofthe password question20:44
jenskuehnelPress enter to end the sudo password prompt.20:44
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trxMohammadAG sudo then i get prompted for a password20:45
MohammadAGtrx add a file in /etc/sudoers.d/20:46
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trxMohammadAG oh, i see now20:47
trxthank you20:47
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MohammadAGjenskuehnel, wtf are you on about?20:47
MohammadAGtrx, run update-sudoers afterwards20:48
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fladnagWtf why is such a big company like nokia so incompetent ? why is there no ordinary charge-port on the n900 and why does the comunty has to build something like h-e-n ...21:06
fladnagWhattheshitfuck :)21:06
SpeedEvilThe USB port to charge is mandated by EU/...21:06
SpeedEvilIt's not a wholly bad idea.21:06
wolf^fladnag, you have answered your own question21:06
wolf^"such a big company"21:07
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fladnagIf it breakes out you are totaly screwsd21:07
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fladnagI need those external chargers21:08
fladnagAnd i need to set reflashing to sdcard !!!!!!!21:08
crashanddie_MohammadAG: sitrep21:08
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fladnagSpeedevil : "set up the software" to reflash from micro-sd card ?? Please where can i find something about this special sort of stuff21:13
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fladnagWhat software ??? Onthe n900 ???21:13
SpeedEvilfladnag: You would need to find or compile a suitable bootloader, then flash it using USB21:13
SpeedEvilWhich obviously raises a problem21:13
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fladnagJes ?21:13
SpeedEvilIf your USB port is broken, you can't.21:14
fladnagThing is21:14
fladnagIm planing for the future21:14
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, nothing worth reporting atm, looking at mafw docs, unless someone else wants to cover that21:14
fladnag:)  IN CASE21:15
crashanddie_MohammadAG: well, dump interesting stuff in the gitorious wiki if required21:15
crashanddie_MohammadAG: maybe drop some notes about how you would see it implemented21:15
crashanddie_has anyone had thought about the backend architecture yet?21:15
crashanddie_s/had //21:15
SpeedEvilI'm not aware of anythng that will simply let you reflash maemo images from the SD yet21:15
infobotcrashanddie_ meant: has anyone thought about the backend architecture yet?21:15
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MohammadAGproblem with flashing from device, is that flashing is handled by NOLO, and you can't have NOLO and an alternative OS at the same time21:17
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fladnagI just have maemo (5) iguess ...21:18
fladnagSo there is no alternative there (and none on the sdcard)21:19
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fladnagStill not possible ?21:19
fladnagAnd nolo is the "software" which runs FROM the device while flashing ?21:20
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fladnagFor ALL maemo devices ??21:21
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fladnagAnd there IS another port on the n900 except video/audio and the damn micro-usb ???21:23
fladnagHow is it called ? Where isit?21:23
SpeedEvilfladnag: yes, there are vatious poorly/non-documented ports under the battery21:24
fladnagHow and it wat ways can they be accessed21:25
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fladnagAnd in which ways ? :p21:26
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fladnagDouyouknow a page that can help me soidont have to got obyour nerves anymore21:27
fladnagSorri forthebad writing ...21:28
MohammadAG<fladnag> I just have maemo (5) iguess ...21:28
MohammadAG<fladnag> So there is no alternative there (and none on the sdcard)21:28
DonDi have installed smscon on my n900 and config it with smscon editor. but when i send a command to my phone nothing happens? and smscon is running... somebody who maby know what i have done wrong or not done?21:28
MohammadAGby alternatives, I mean Ubuntu/Fedora/some console only OS21:28
MohammadAGNOLO is the bootloader21:28
MohammadAGSMScon, I lost 50 SMSs cause of that thing21:29
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DonDwhen i run the tests in smscon editor it works nice, but not when i send the command thru my girlfriends phone21:30
fladnagOk do you have an idea mohammadag ?21:30
DonDits just to install, and then edit with smsconeditor? right?21:31
fladnag(about my reflash n900 from sd thing)21:31
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MohammadAGother than using some mtd utilities to write to the mtds directly (and in a clean(!!!) way), nope21:33
MohammadAGIs GOject usable in Qt apps?21:34
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crashanddie_MohammadAG: it is, but is is a dependency hellhole21:35
slonopotamusMohammadAG: is GObject usable?21:36
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MohammadAGcrashanddie_, so... I can't use mafw in Qt?21:38
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crashanddie_MohammadAG: no idea. I think Jaffa or lardman have some experiences trying to use GObjects in Qt C++21:48
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trxdont know about qt and c++21:51
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trxbut i used GObjects in lazarus (compiled for maemo arm)21:51
trxthey are in glib221:51
trxif thats what u need21:51
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MohammadAGcrashanddie_, I was bored, so file listing's working with QDir, however, I doubt this'll be of much help if we use mafw, anyways,
crashanddie_MohammadAG: hear that sound?22:12
crashanddie_MohammadAG: that's the RIAA Police coming to get you as you publicly demonstrate you own mp3 files22:12
crashanddie_MohammadAG: from what I understand MAFW provides file handling, doesn't it?22:13
MohammadAGthis is logged right? The MP3s were illegally obtained22:13
* MohammadAG waits22:13
crashanddie_is it possible to test a Qt app for maemo under OSX?22:13
crashanddie_or run it locally22:13
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crashanddie_well, not on the n90022:14
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MohammadAGThe whole point of Qt is that,
MohammadAGVolume icon's missing on my PC,  hence the empty button22:15
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crashanddie_and that's just Qt Creator?22:16
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MohammadAGthe Maemo specific code is wrapped with #ifdefs22:18
MohammadAGso it compiles properly on any PC with libqt4-dev22:18
MohammadAGat least for now22:18
MohammadAGmind you, I don't think there's something like stacked windows on ubuntu, so all windows are separate22:18
MohammadAG(See task bar)22:18
crashanddie_there is actually, stacked windows work fine, probably a bug in Qt Creator22:19
MohammadAGno, I never set a property22:19
crashanddie_oh, sorry, media player you mean?22:19
crashanddie_that's normal, it's maemo-specific behaviour22:20
MohammadAGI only set setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow);22:20
crashanddie_usually you'd redraw the UI on a fast computer22:20
MohammadAGI've never seen an app with stacked windows on a PC22:20
crashanddie_or make a window appear22:20
crashanddie_MohammadAG: can you add some wrappers around the UI, so that the player thread will be able to update it easily?22:21
MohammadAGwell, it shows windows atm22:21
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, hmm?22:21
MohammadAGI wanted to start on that today22:21
MohammadAGvoid NowPlayingWindow::onMetadataChanged()22:21
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crashanddie_class song { QString title; QString artist; int duration }; and then on your UI .setCurrentSong(song currentSong)22:22
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* MohammadAG hits a wall22:23
crashanddie_what wall?22:23
MohammadAGalterego, I thought you mentioned clickable QLabels yesterday?22:23
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MohammadAGQLabels don't emit signals when clicked22:23
crashanddie_MohammadAG: linkActivated22:24
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crashanddie_MohammadAG: or linkHovered22:24
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MohammadAGthat's for QLabels with links afaik22:25
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MohammadAGThis signal is emitted when the user clicks a link. The URL referred to by the anchor is passed in link.22:25
crashanddie_I just started the download for the Qt SDK22:26
crashanddie_download speed is abyssmal22:26
crashanddie_far cry from the 2MB/s I get from sourceforge or stuff22:26
MohammadAGyou could download the mac only one, but you can't build for maemo that way22:27
crashanddie_I think I'm getting the Mac only one22:27
crashanddie_where is the maemo one too?22:27
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crashanddie_is the full one for all platforms? 900MB?22:28
ZogGi hate all qgil speeches22:28
MohammadAGffs Nokia22:28
ZogGcrashanddie, MohammadAG hey22:29
MohammadAGuse shorter links22:29
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MohammadAGhey ZogG22:29
* NooBmonk3y prods MohammadAG 22:29
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alteregoMohammadAG: add an eventFilter or inherit and implement the button press event method.22:30
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alteregoNot everything in Qt is signals & slots ;)22:30
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* MohammadAG stabs Qt22:30
crashanddie_MohammadAG: oh c'mon22:31
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crashanddie_MohammadAG: that link isn't too long22:31
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crashanddie_I mean, they need the placeholders...22:31
crashanddie_If you look at it... they're just using 348 characters with an enthropy of 62 characters22:32
crashanddie_that's just what... 3553292395031404037155523399641861565644761769023853914695937198602279220610967804179922148895128342558236855457980364901744997654151578840276995090863609077720536094216815564858647417330081972620968112603918451025998583164347734130651880919826378410149608935228159620195379605987505169637202761032796673454010725202490018687574308880048112798021798817160844644541634251014924153236537106221804715169142263969022:32
crashanddie_possible links?22:32
crashanddie_MohammadAG: can't blame them for being future-proof?22:35
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, way over my head :P22:35
timeless_webchatMohammadAG: err, was that link an "auto download SDK .dmg" ?22:35
timeless_webchatbecause i have a random thing which is forcing me to download a 1/2 gb Qt SDK DMG22:35
* timeless_webchat is not amused22:35
MohammadAGyes, it's a .dmg22:36
crashanddie_when will people learn, don't click on fucking links22:36
crashanddie_MohammadAG: and that's for Maemo too?22:36
crashanddie_how come the beta is smaller than the full Qt download?22:36
timeless_webchatcrashanddie_: it's supposed to be22:37
timeless_webchatcrashanddie_: it probably doesn't have symbols :)22:37
MohammadAGno idea lol22:37
timeless_webchator maybe it's a web installer :)22:37
MohammadAGbut yes, it has maemo afaik22:37
MohammadAGunless it downloads them in-setup22:37
MohammadAGnope, offline installer22:37
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MohammadAGshould have maemo22:38
crashanddie_well, this server is better22:38
crashanddie_you'd think Nokia is able to afford some bandwidth22:38
* timeless_webchat is getting 1.3M/s22:38
timeless_webchatyou're clearly not located in the right country ;-)22:38
alteregoI don't bother with the Qt SDK, I custom build my entire development system.22:38
crashanddie_alterego: on OSX?22:39
MohammadAGalterego, I still use scratchbox for most stuff :P22:39
timeless_webchatcrashanddie_: i'll be done in a minute :)22:39
chxI just dont understand why Nokia does not give up on smartphones. They are good at pushing out mid and low end devices ... so why not stick to it.22:39
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crashanddie_chx: you must be new here22:39
timeless_webchatchx: because at some point the smartphones of today will be able to sell at the price points nokia is selling feature phones at22:40
timeless_webchatat which point nokia would die22:40
keriobecause nokia is still nokia22:40
timeless_webchatbut, crashanddie_ is right... you must be new here22:40
kerioand still makes FUCKING AWESOME devices22:40
timeless_webchatcrashanddie_: ok, you can have my bandwidth now :)22:40
MohammadAGWITH FUCKING RETARDED source distribution22:40
crashanddie_lol... it's actually going up22:40
alteregoI use madde & qt creator for most things, then prep in sbox for extras upload.22:41
crashanddie_oh, going back down again22:41
alteregoThough I've integrated sbox with qt creator, which lets me build and run in sbox.22:41
alteregoWhich is good for maemo specific development.22:41
chxi have the n900, of course, and what goes on with nokia just pains me.22:41
alteregocrashanddie_: no, not for os x :P22:42
chxwhen i lost my n810 i felt like having one of arms lost so i bought a second quick :)22:42
chxwhich now just gathers dust :/22:42
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alteregoI wish my N810 still worked22:46
alteregoThe touch screen died.22:47
Macern810s are expensive too for some reason22:47
MohammadAGI wish I had an N81022:48
* MohammadAG sighs at Segmentation fault22:48
MohammadAGalterego, hide() doesn't work layouts? Sigh22:49
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chxMohammadAG: what about i give you mine? where are you located (just because of postage)22:54
crashanddie_chx: where are you?22:54
MohammadAGnah, no need, thanks though :)22:54
chxRight here , behind my desk.22:55
crashanddie_are you being a smartass?22:55
crashanddie_Geographically speaking, chx, where is your desk?22:55
crashanddie_Canada, fair enough22:56
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crashanddie_well, there's pretty much a planet between you and MohammadAG22:56
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chxI often happen to be in Europe if that helps22:56
chxI will be in Hungary and Belgium Jan / Feb22:56
crashanddie_Belgium? Whereabouts?22:57
chxVrije Universiteit Brussel22:58
crashanddie_so you're a brusselaer?22:59
chxsame time as FOSDEM22:59
chxno, i am Canadian now22:59
chxjust travel a lot.22:59
chxprobably... too much :)22:59
crashanddie_now being the operative word22:59
chxwell, i was Hungarian for 31 years then homeless for two then Canadian22:59
chxor what do you call when someone lives out of two suitcases for two years changing his 'home base' every 2-3 weeks?23:00
crashanddie_well, when I did that, I was a consultant23:02
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crashanddie_I used to just say I was "European"23:02
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GAN900Aren't you usually whatever you were born and raised as?23:05
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crashanddie_GAN900: AFAICT, I was born in Europe, and raised speaking 3 languages23:06
crashanddie_yeah, I get that a lot23:06
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MohammadAGcrashanddie_, and when you cheat, you get something like
mikki-kuncrashanddie_: which 3 languages were they?23:06
crashanddie_mikki-kun: french english dutch, though I have a fair understanding of german, italian and spanish as well.23:07
mikki-kunÖ.ö whoah, that is... how can you keep them apart? i have sometimes difficulties with my 3 languages (now there is swiss german coming, which reactivates some of my french)23:08
* MohammadAG knows English, arabic, french, hebrew, and some russian swear words23:09
crashanddie_oh, I have loads of troubles in some languages, don't worry there23:09
crashanddie_you know fuck all French bro23:09
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MohammadAGcrashanddie_, did you see the damn portrait UI?23:09
crashanddie_I did23:09
MohammadAGthat's the sitrep you asked for :P23:10
crashanddie_don't put the icons near the bottom23:10
crashanddie_put them vertical23:10
crashanddie_put them left or right, doesn't really matter, preferably a configuration option23:10
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crashanddie_when I hold my N900 in portrait, I rarely have both thumbs, and neither can reach down there easily23:11
MohammadAGhmm, top might be best, but I'm not sure how to arrange layouts in code :/23:11
crashanddie_actually, there's better than fixed buttons23:12
crashanddie_image a central button, in the middle of the screen23:12
crashanddie_if you just tap it, it pauses23:12
crashanddie_if you hold it and go left, it goes to the beginning of the song23:13
crashanddie_and the button becomes a |< (go back) ubtton23:13
crashanddie_so that you can tap it and go back in your playlist23:13
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crashanddie_if you hold it and go right, it jumps to the next song, and becomes a >| button (forward)23:14
MohammadAGnice idea, not very stock-y, still, nice23:14
crashanddie_not sure if that should be part of V123:14
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* MohammadAG wonders why building Qt apps in scratchbox makes them smaller23:16
MohammadAGxVST: 1-2MBs in scratchbox, 26MBs in Qt Creator23:16
crashanddie_oh, debug symbols probably23:16
crashanddie_that's usually what takes most space23:17
MohammadAGoh, right23:17
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MohammadAGcrashanddie_, run that on your device23:19
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crashanddie_don't have my device23:19
crashanddie_my device is in new york or something23:19
crashanddie_I'm good with SSH, but still.23:20
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GAN900XChat works pretty well in portrait.23:41
crashanddie_pray tell23:41
crashanddie_or, pray screenshot23:41
GAN900crashanddie, ctrl-shft-r23:42
GAN900Close keyboard, rotate23:42
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crashanddie_read above23:43
crashanddie_< crashanddie_> my device is in new york or something23:43
MohammadAGcept when you have a userlist23:43
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MohammadAGit resizes incorrectly23:44
trxMohammadAG do you need testers for mediaplayer?23:45
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crashanddie_trx: there's no actual code behind it as of yet23:45
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crashanddie_trx: we're still trying to figure out the architecture that could be used23:45
trxi see23:45
trxi would like to help23:46
crashanddie_What are you good at?23:46
trxbut i only know pascal23:46
crashanddie_If I see him I'll yell?23:46
trxlazarus compiles for arm23:46
trxbut thats of no use for you23:46
trxbtw, have you considered using bass for audio engine?23:47
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, what if Nokia releases their source when we finish ours?23:48
crashanddie_MohammadAG: ours will be Qt, theirs will be Gtk?23:48
crashanddie_We'll be MeeGo-proof?23:48
crashanddie_trx: bass seems interesting23:49
trxit can read/do pretty much everything23:49
GAN900crashanddie_, well, you suck.23:50
trxi have experience with it, and could help out..23:50
crashanddie_GAN900: stop being a fucking troll.23:51
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GAN900crashanddie_, yessir.23:52
dRbiGhmm, 32gb micro sd no-name card for $50 - you think it's a good deal or will the card be really shitty (like slow as hell)?23:52
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dRbiGi have no idea about price ranges here23:52
crashanddie_trx: well, we don't want to reinvent the wheel if possible, and there should be MAFW available23:52
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crashanddie_lcuk: have you used GObjects in Qt code?23:53
crashanddie_trx: the other thing is that the backend player system will probably leverage gstreamer rather than a new framework -- the reasoning behind this is that there are plugins that can utilise the hardware acceleration chipsets available in the N900.23:53
crashanddie_god damn, I even sound like a fucking suit.23:54
trxyeah, its seems more logical to use mafw then23:54
crashanddie_trx: it's just our initial analysis, we'll see and make decisions as we get closer23:55
crashanddie_trx: the project was launched this morning/afternoon.23:55
crashanddie_or was it yesterday?23:55
crashanddie_I forget.23:55
MohammadAGyesterday evening; total works is maybe 2h23:56
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MohammadAGsorry, exams :P23:56
trxwell, if i can help with anything im here...23:56
trxjust no qt and c++ :P23:56
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MohammadAGcrashanddie_, we could use Qt's APIs, they use gstreamer (Jaffa said so), but we'll have to build our own media indexer23:57
trxmaybe i can help by producing .so's that u can use...23:57
GAN900crashanddie_, what skills are you bringing to the tablet?23:58
crashanddie_GAN900: at the moment? Telling people what to do23:58
crashanddie_MohammadAG: so we have to go through MAFW to do the indexing?23:58
MohammadAGor directly use tracker23:58
crashanddie_s/do the indexing/talk to tracker/23:58
infobotcrashanddie_ meant: MohammadAG: so we have to go through MAFW to talk to tracker?23:58
dRbiGhmm, another thing, anyone using a 32gb microsd card with n900?23:59
MohammadAGnever looked at tracker's code, but I think it can be talked to directly23:59
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MohammadAGmind you, mafw > Qt's APIs at this time of writing23:59

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