IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-12-03

lcukVenemo, cool00:00
VenemoNokia seemed pretty desperate to get developers to develop for their devices00:00
crashanddie_Venemo: did you ask them why Nokia seemed like they were looking like the only company in the 21st century (apart from IBM) that seemed like they were drowning in the own abyss of their mismanagement?00:01
chxYeah. It's frustrating. You have the N900 which is the most awesome hackerphone evah and it's just... unfinished.00:01
crashanddie_woah, three similes in one sentence.00:01
Venemocrashanddie_: well the regional marketing director was there, but I didn't think he could meaninfully answer this question... so I didn't ask00:02
lcukchx then hack it.00:02
Venemochx: if it was finished, it wouldn't be a hacker phone, would it?00:02
crashanddie_sure it would00:02
lcukcommunity ssu is being built so it can be continued00:02
chxthere are problems far beyond my abilities to fix00:02
chxlike the zooming being per app instead of being part of the ... X server? whatever handles the display00:02
crashanddie_but enabling people to use it as a real corporate device, with a proper calendar, responsive UI, and email that actually functionned wouldn't have been too much to ask for I reckon00:03
chxsame with portrait00:03
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Venemothere was also a prototype E7 and a C700:03
crashanddie_Venemo: how is the E7 looking?00:03
* lcuk heads off00:03
lcukgnite fellas \o00:03
crashanddie_lcuk: later, night00:03
Venemognight lcuk :)00:03
Venemocrashanddie_: it was very solid00:04
chxlcuk: later, night, you can't zoom in most apps unless the app is built for it , most painful with irc lcients. i might be wrong.00:04
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Venemocrashanddie_: the keyboard snaps out like on the N97, but it feels a lot more stable00:04
Venemocrashanddie_: the screen feels big00:04
Venemocrashanddie_: the OS is standard Symbian^3, nothing fancy (and I didn't look at it too much)00:05
crashanddie_apparently the UI is a bit laggy to touch responses00:05
Venemocrashanddie_: no, it was fine00:05
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Venemocrashanddie_: afaic00:05
Venemocrashanddie_: afaict00:05
Venemocrashanddie_: also, it has a 4-row qwerty which is nice00:06
lcukchx, zoom?00:06
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Venemocrashanddie_: and multi-touch too00:06
crashanddie_yeah, keyboard seems awesome00:06
crashanddie_not sure about HDMI-out00:07
chxlcuk: yes, zoom. You know, too small fonts....00:07
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lcukchx, ahh cos all apps zoom in from dashboard00:07
chxlcuk: huh?00:07
crashanddie_lcuk: are you on weed?00:07
Venemothe keyboard is tilted in the same angle as the N900's small stand tilts the N900's screen00:07
lcukno crashanddie_00:07
chxah yes but you cant zoom in once in the app00:07
lcukchx understood now00:07
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chxthe E7 is *Symbian*00:08
lcukyou mean like browser/image zooming00:08
* lcuk understands now00:08
chxit's dead before it's born00:08
chxcome on, bury the dead horse, bring on Meego.00:08
crashanddie_chx: not really, it might be nice for business00:08
crashanddie_chx: I'm still a hardcore blackberry user for business, but Nokia e-series have always appealed to me00:08
Venemochx, I don't think so. Symbian is great for a certain target audience. also note that MeeGo is nowhere near ready yet00:08
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lcukchx, some of us are already in meego :)00:09
chxand? Nokia has a proven track record of releasing unready !#@$# devices00:09
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chxAlso note that I have a Nokia E70 and an E5100:09
Venemolcuk, do you mean the netbook version?00:10
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chx[14:09] <lcuk> you mean like browser/image zooming <= i mean like that yeah but TEXT is more important than images.  It's ... braindead. why is that not a feature of the display?00:10
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chxAlso, if Nokia had brains which it clearly does not then it would not have abandoned the E70-like devies00:11
lcukchx i never noticed a problem with the ui needing it00:11
chxlcuk: no? hm, and how do you irc on it?00:11
lcukbut for books and editing, sure - but those seem to have fnt adjust00:11
lcukchx xchat has a font size option..00:11
Venemooh, and almost forgot, there also was a QML demo, which was pretty nice00:12
chxI am getting to the point where I want to sit down and write a goddamn IRC client :(00:12
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* SpeedEvil finds xchat OK.00:12
Venemochx, which one do you use currently?00:12
nomischx: writing an IRC client is a rite of passage.00:13
lcukchx, been there, done that :P
* lcuk was going anyway00:13
nomischx: (the milder form is writing an IRC bot)00:13
chxlcuk: looks pretty where is it?00:14
lcukchx, very unstable old stuff (note the datestamp) i think its on my git repo00:14
javispedrochx: write a java vm instead.00:16
Venemochx: I found Communi a rather usable IRC client for Maemo. it is a bit unfinished (it's in -devel), but it is easier to use than XChat00:17
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chxwhat's that?00:22
Venemoan IRC client00:23
chxi thought so00:23
chx interesting!00:23
BCMMdoes it do kinetic scroll?00:23
chxno fancy++00:23
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BCMMno fancy++00:23
VenemoBCMM: yes00:24
chxis it normal that the battery barely stays alive for a day?00:24
BCMMchx: depends on what you were doing00:24
Venemochx, mine does too00:24
toresbeyeah, in active use.00:24
javispedrowith x-chat on, possibly.00:24
toresbeI just use SSH, screen and irssi. Killer combo.00:24
BCMMi will have a look; last time i looked there was just irssi and xchat00:24
VenemoBCMM: the ui has a few small glitches, but overall it is usable IMO00:24
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BCMMthing about "nothing fancy", is that one wants no fancy features except what you use00:25
BCMMfor example, i'm thinking it's nice that it's lightweight, but i hope it supports server passwords00:25
VenemoBCMM: it does yes00:26
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SpeedEvilxchat on logged into wifi lasts ~40h for me00:26
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SpeedEvil12h on 2g, and 6 on 300:26
HanttaWHi people. Is this right place for some questions about maemo/linux memory usage. Especially hildon-home/desktop services.00:28
VenemoHanttaW: ask, and the guys here'll try to answer :)00:28
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SpeedEvilFirst get that00:29
SpeedEvilRSS is a lie00:29
SpeedEvil(the python script works just fine)00:29
SpeedEvil(on the device)00:29
HanttaWNice :) Okey here is current situation from htop: sorted by virtual column...and doesn´t look good :|00:30
SpeedEvilvirt is almost completely irrelevant00:30
SpeedEvilyou have 2G (? or is it 4) of virt address space00:31
BCMMif it goes flat fast on wifi, your router sucks00:31
HanttaWI have noticed that it keeps growing and growing. Pretty soon my device starts lag little. First app from where I notice it is just starts stalling.00:31
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BCMMsee if it can be configured to suck less, with respect to power-saving00:31
SpeedEvil looks useful00:32
HanttaWAnd I have stuff installed from devel & testing so in a way this is something that I´m expecting =) But trying to understand and learn.00:32
SpeedEvilHanttaW: yes - you're probably more caring about PSS and USS00:32
SpeedEvilHanttaW: though some things can use CPU too, and make stuff slug00:33
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javispedroSpeedEvil: 3G00:34
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HanttaWDear god how many different memory there is. My head feels dizzy.00:34
javispedro3 GiB of user address space00:34
SpeedEvilHanttaW: yes. It's annoyingly complex.00:34
SpeedEvilHanttaW: And you ideally need to understand it if you're trying to work out why it's slugging00:35
toresbeIt's fun to carry on a conversation at work, then continue it on the subway home, and then keep it going in the elevator going into the apartment...00:35
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javispedroyou could do that with the mobile phone too.00:35
toresbeWell, not on IRC.00:35
toresbessh/screen/irssi is love. :)00:36
HanttaWSpeedEvil: Yep. I know. On windows I have just used processexplorer to hunt down memory leaks and it is pretty easy.00:36
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javispedroWell, Windows has the same "memory types" so the question is "what does process explorer show?"00:36
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SpeedEvilrss growth is not meaningless generally00:36
Venemogood night guys, I'm leaving00:37
Venemohave fun00:37
javispedrognite Venemo00:37
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SpeedEvilif a process is growing, and other processes are not, then that's a good inidcation that a closer look at it may be warranted.00:37
BCMM_hmm, this client seems to have no keyboard tabbing or fullscreen00:38
HanttaWSpeedEvil: Currently only thing what I have noticed that is growing is virtual size of those top processes but I need more data.00:38
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BCMM_nor a way to copy and paste00:39
jacekowskivirtual size is just virtual00:40
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BCMM_is that thing the browser uses to enable the cursor available to other applications?00:40
jacekowskiand you don't have to worry about it too much00:40
HanttaWbtw. How I can set my putty session to N900 send keepalives. Currently it´s disconnecting after certain amount of idle.00:40
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jacekowskiHanttaW: it's server thing00:40
jacekowskiHanttaW: to send "pings" every so often00:41
jacekowskiHanttaW: you would have to rebuild openssh for n900 to support it00:41
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HanttaWI probably just need more memory debug data, but virtual size increasing is just result of something other part of memory growing.00:43
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jacekowskiit may mean that you are running something like that00:46
jacekowskijacekowski:~# pastebinit test.c00:47
BCMMjacekowski: surely you can do that in teh ssh config file?00:48
chxCommuni is awesome.00:50
chxnow, i will need to line my backpack with a battery :)00:51
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jacekowskiBCMM: no if it's not compiled in00:52
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jacekowskiBCMM: and last time i checked it's not compiled in in any distro00:53
BCMMjacekowski: are we talking about adding "KeepAlive yes" to /etc/ssh/sshd_config, or something else?00:55
jacekowskibut that's just going to fail i00:56
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jacekowskiand there is one more thing00:56
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HanttaWSo it seems that I´m going to need and time to read & learn some memory usage stuff.01:07
HanttaWone more question and then I´m off to bed. Any neat dpkg commands that lists only installed packages that are dependend on python.01:09
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ShadowJKjacekowski, putty itself can send keepalives too01:10
* ShadowJK vaguely remembers it in options somewhere01:11
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chem|stHanttaW: that should be listed within python01:12
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ShadowJKHanttaW, btw I'd start with disabling every widget and similar things on desktop, basically empty start.. reboot for clean start, not vsz, use it for awhile, note vsz. Add a single widget, reboot for clean start, note vsz, use it for awhile, note vsz..01:12
fladnagTRACKERD SUCKS01:13
ShadowJKapt-cache rdepends python01:13
HanttaWI´m just reading some bug reports and looks like that at least "Eero Tamminen" is somewhat recommending to keep away from apps that are dependend on python and are constantly running.01:13
ShadowJKbut that lists everything, also stuff not installed :/01:14
HanttaWCurrently I have home calendar widget and media player widget and two desktops with just app shortcuts and bookmarks.01:14
HanttaWI think it was this bug report:
povbotBug 8723: Items in hildon-home can be non-responsive for several minutes01:15
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ShadowJKI noticed less memory use after removing the python based sleeper widget, and that was the only python widget I had iirc..01:16
nomischem|st: I hacked a small tool to dump them: These are the shutdown codes from the open source tvbgone-kit in human readable form:
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nomischem|st: (untested, but look somewhat plausible)01:17
fladnagJEAH i had some baad "longtime"systemhangs too01:17
HanttaWOkey. I need to go bed, but thanks for all the tips. I´m trying to find out some time to dig deeper on this.01:17
HanttaWGood night01:18
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javispedroShadowJK: I kinda remember some weird interactions with long running python applications wasting memory, not due to any leak but the way the python GC works01:23
javispedrobasically for the same reason most java applications eventually fill up to -Xmx size01:24
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jacekowskiin normal languages world it's called memory leak01:29
ds3isn't it call garbage collection incompetance in java? ;)01:30
javispedrojacekowski: not exactly01:31
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BugBlueif java had true garbage collection it would delete itself01:33
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pupnikjavispedro: hey ever use this? enum omapfb_color_format {  OMAPFB_COLOR_CLUT_8BPP01:38
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pupnikcould speed up dosbox01:39
pupnikyou know, vga being 8-bit with a clut01:39
pupnikcould speed it up a lot, couldn't it01:40
javispedronot sure01:40
javispedrobecause I don't know what that is doing01:40
javispedro(behind the scenes)01:40
pupniki think it works like this01:41
pupnikthat would be replaced with01:41
javispedroyou can trigger that by setting 8 bpp in the ioctl device01:43
nox-i guess the q is does the display hw support that mode...01:44
javispedroI do not think the display has01:44
javispedrobecause you're not altering the output format, rather one of the plane's format01:44
pupnikif the lcd controller doesn't support it, then there's no point01:45
pupniki wonder if X11 even supports 8-bit anymore01:45
javispedroit doe01:45
javispedroI think there's a large chance the controller supports it01:46
nox-i had to test that some time ago trying out some apple //e emulator...01:46
nox-(not on n900 tho :)01:46
javispedronox-: on stock n900 there's a compositor, and the compositor will try to send whatever you have to opengl01:46
pupnikxdpyinfo lists 8-bit as     depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 3201:46
pupnikon my notebook01:47
javispedronox-: and ofc it will usually do the wrong thing regarding palettes01:47
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pupniki want to directly map dosbox vga memory to the framebuffer01:47
javispedropupnik: it's an interesing test.01:47
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javispedroactually I've done something like that recently.. but true color...01:47
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javispedroalso: x11 paletted full screen application?01:56
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fladnagSorry but what doyouthink how many of the 420 people inthis room have a n900 ?01:58
Gh0stymost have 2? :p01:59
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fladnagOkey :)01:59
Gh0sty(just a guess I dunno)02:00
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Gh0styI am using nuevasync for syncing google calendar with my n90002:05
BCMMfladnag: everyone here who has two different permutations of their nick02:05
Gh0stybut just received a mail that nuevasync is suspending their free service soon and you gotta pay now :(02:06
BCMMonline at once02:06
BCMMplus a bit02:06
BCMMtimes several02:06
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pupnik   Phrack is Back :)02:06
Gh0styany alternatives or hopes for a fix of google calendar sync directly on the n900?02:06
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: \o/02:26
pupniklol :)02:26
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pupniksomeone in eastern europe has to please send me cheese like this02:27
toresbe is the type of Eastern European cheese with which I am most familiar02:27
Gh0stywhat kinda cheese is that :/02:27
pupnikin usa 'string cheese' is the industrial variant02:28
Gh0stysounds horrible :p02:29
pupnikthere's one family that makes an excellent variety in wisconsin02:29
Gh0styby the name alone :p02:29
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Gh0stybut then again i'm used to french/belgian cheeses02:29
pupnikwhich camembert can you reccomend02:30
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Gh0stywe got here camembert president02:32
DocScrutinizerstop talking food, I'm hungry!02:32
Gh0styfor you it's around ... noon?02:32
Gh0styis there a proper way to sync google calendar with n900? or is paying for nuevasync my best shot? :/02:34
toresbe1:30 AM here02:34
Gh0stysame here :p02:34
Gh0styoh pupnik toresbe seems to be french :p02:34
Gh0styyou better ask him about the cheeses of france :P02:35
toresbeHow DARE you!02:35
Gh0styor at least thats what you whois says? :/02:35
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toresbeMy server is in France, but despite that fact it seems to work.02:35
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Gh0styyou're from where then?02:36
toresbeIk ben noors!02:36
Gh0styprobably just around my corner or something :p02:36
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Gh0styas usual ... you go miles far only to hear a fellow belgian do a talk :p02:36
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toresbeIk heb tien maanden in Vlanderen gewoont, mar mijn vlaams is helaas erg roestig.02:37
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Gh0styoh you're alright02:38
Gh0styhalf of the country should speak it like you it wouldn't be a political crysis :p02:38
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Gh0styhmm norway ... still somewhere on the top of my list of places to visit02:39
toresbeGh0sty: At the annual democratic socialist party youth org congress in Oslo, we actually had a representative from Animo present02:39
toresbehe held a nice speech and all was wonderful... then as he left the podium, our meeting leader thanked him with "merci beaucoup"02:40
toresbemy head hit the table so hard I'm surprised it didn't break in two02:40
toresbethe head or the table, either one02:40
Gh0stynothing new there ...02:40
Gh0styfrom time to time also send unfriendly mails to HR in the company who thinks we're all french02:41
toresbeI mean, this guy is in a party which SPLIT OVER THE LANGUAGE ISSUE and you're talking to him in French. Class act.02:41
toresbeA pretty humongous.. ehm, faux pas, as it were. :)02:41
Gh0styDocScrutinizer: who do I need to donate 15 eur to get google calendar sync to work properly? :p02:42
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DocScrutinizergoogle, every day :-P02:45
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Gh0stywhy is it not working ... read lenghty discussions about it but never found a real answer02:46
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Gh0stythey blame google or something ...02:46
Gh0stybut it works on my good ol symbian e6502:46
DocScrutinizersorry, no idea. I'm not using google, whenever avoidable02:49
chem|stmissing webcal support...02:49
chem|stDocScrutinizer: 2nd02:49
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Gh0stywhat do you use then for calendar?02:57
Gh0styits been a long time I had a look at that in fact02:57
Gh0styin the end I did not really find anything useable and went onto google cal :/02:58
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pupnikok the mecca for string cheese is about 1000km away from me02:59
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SpeedEvilThat is a long string.03:06
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pupnikSpeedEvil: Slovakia and Poland are fighting for political recognition as the 'genuine salty cheese' country03:09
javispedro"Windows Setup couldn't find the End User License Agreement (EULA). This is a fatal error. You cannot continue with setup. Press F3 to quit."03:10
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pupnik"Zázrivá - The fight for recognition of salty cheese from raw Zazriva as our product is not yet lost to Slovakia!"03:14
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BCMMpupnik: is that the result for machine translation?03:21
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BCMMbecause "salty cheese" makes me think of feta03:21
pupnik    << a cheese farm in slovakia (check that beautiful landscape)03:24
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pupnikthey make it too salty for my taste03:25
pupnikbut otherwise it's kickbutt03:25
SpeedEvilhow do I rotate web?03:28
SpeedEvilor what03:28
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SpeedEvilshould this work in the browser?03:32
javispedrothe browser now has an option in preferences03:32
SpeedEvilthis is 1.203:33
javispedroit's there from 1.1 iirc03:33
javispedroof course the only thing it does is either "follow accelerometer" or "always landscape"03:34
SpeedEvilah right03:34
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SpeedEvilkeyboard open was defeating03:35
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Termanagood morning03:45
javispedromorning Termana03:46
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ieatlintgrr.... malloc is giving me a sigabrt from a failed assert() when i call a jpeglib function (ie, not my code calling malloc())... and when i try to debug it using valgrind, the problem disappears05:23
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ds3distribute your program with valgrind? :D05:26
pupnik_  the good old days..05:27
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ieatlintds3: hmm, that might work05:31
ds3I miss buttons05:31
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ieatlinti think i'm just not doing error handling for libjpeg correctly, heh05:32
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pupnik_these could run on maemo05:58
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ieatlint"imgData.h:19: multiple definition of `my_error_exit'" "imgData.h:19: first defined here" ... sometimes c annoys me06:12
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pupnik_  [ Pied Pipers - "Dream" 1951 ] <<< great great song (from bioshock2 trailer)07:04
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slonopotamusanyone knows autotools? what is supposed to create m4 directory?08:15
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RST38hMoo, ladies and gentlemen08:23
RST38hslono: never seen m4 dir created when "using" autotools08:27
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slonopotamusRST38h: okay, why aclocal wants it to exist?08:28
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pupnik_crap, germany had the colddddesttest dec 2 in recorded history08:31
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Proteousafter hours messing with tversity settings I find out it's the n900 wifi power settings that are causing my video to go into buffering fits08:37
Proteouswell, at least I solved it08:37
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RST38hAhhahaha, the guy who broke htop package committed a fix =)08:40
RST38hShould probably do the same trick for MidnightCommander when run from desktop08:40
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DocScrutinizeruh? htop broken?08:42
DocScrutinizerwel, mc is a bit odd sometimes - yes.08:43
DocScrutinizeresp subshell handling seems borked. Anyway RST38h what exactly are you talking about?08:44
RST38hwith htop,the author uses a little terminal emulator package(rather than xterm) when run in desktop mode08:44
RST38hthis eliminates the virtual keyboard jumping out at you at every opportunity08:45
RST38hsame should be done for mc IMHO08:45
DocScrutinizernever noticed08:45
RST38hsubshell stuff never worked properly in mc, forget it08:45
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meceWoo! Killer thread: :D:D:D09:30
Jay_BEEhow did I know...09:32
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chxmece: how was that old quote? The problem is not that God's zoo is big but that the fence is so low. I hope my translation worked :)09:46
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mecechx, I have no idea :D But it sounds profane :)09:51
chxmece: it's a subtle way of saying the original poster is an escapee from a lunatic asylum09:52
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mecewell, since there are apps like that for other platforms, and they, afaik are very popular, I wouldn't say he/she/it is crazy at all. Seems maemites are rather prude though.09:55
keriomece: nokia sold like 5 n900s09:56
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mecekerio, beside the point.09:56
mecekerio, as I said in my post, you have to use an existing service09:56
mecewait, did I say that in my post09:57
meceooh well.09:57
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MohammadAGLMFAO @ sex app request10:14
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toggleslol, guineas10:36
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phellarvSex App request - That thread is epic.10:45
crashanddieI'll develop it, only if kiddie porn is allowed.10:46
Corsacwhat about ponies?10:47
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RST38hHehe, they finally closed down wikileaks.org11:07
DocScrutinizerLMAO @ not checking what's already there, plus no brain for thinking about how such a *service* has to work to fly. There's NO app for that on maemo/meego, and never will. The app's name is browser11:08
kerioRST38h: wat11:09
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, porn websites11:09
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chxRST38h: looks quite up to me.11:09
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: you're sure it's not just homeland security idiots poisoning US DNS infra?11:09
chxRST38h: i BET within a day there will be another "freedom fighter" who will support these... people.11:10
chxI am a journalist or was like ten years ago and i am very torn over what wikileaks is doing11:10
keriochx: i can only say "U JELLY"11:11
chxi am not jealous why would i be?11:11
MohammadAGwhat is wikileaks?11:11
meceMohammadAG, popular porn site11:12
chxI have grown up in a country behind the iron courtain so i kind of have some idea what it is to live in a police state11:12
kerioMohammadAG: a bunch of epic trolls releasing top secret documents for teh lulz11:12
chxand unedited dump of all these cables probably put a few people lives in real danger11:12
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mecechx, meh11:12
keriochx: the war logs *were* edited11:13
DocScrutinizerchx: ack11:13
keriowrt cablegate... meh11:13
MohammadAGwhere do I leak stuff? i have an N9... oops11:13
fralshmmmm download stats not been updated since 30th of november11:13
DocScrutinizerchx: aiui those wren't dumped yet completely11:13
fralsand im 12k from a million downloads!11:13
kerioMohammadAG: is it made of rainbows?11:13
chxfrals: a million dls of what?11:14
mecechx, fmms11:14
mecethat too11:14
DocScrutinizer~trout frals11:14
keriofrals: Makefile not found.11:14
* infobot slaps frals around a bit with a large trout!11:14
meceman that should be the name of the app11:14
RST38hfsck fsck fsck11:15
DocScrutinizerplease use -F option11:16
DocScrutinizerok, make that -a, to automatically fix using fsck11:17
chxyou mean... people still send MMS??????11:18
DocScrutinizersome do, somewhere11:18
DocScrutinizernot here in Germany though11:18
DocScrutinizersame epic fail like WAP11:19
keriofrals is convinced they do11:19
DocScrutinizerand PTT11:19
kerioi've *never* seen someone send a mms11:19
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fralsme and whoever has been involved in the 1million downloads, i guess11:21
DocScrutinizerI one time in my life sent a MMS for birthday greetings. Bro this guy was pissed, bitching at me I messed up his phone11:21
meceI've sent a lot of mms'11:21
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chem|stkerio: I received about 4-6 since implementation of the service... and sent one...11:21
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kerioDocScrutinizer: hahah what11:22
chem|stfrals: I downloaded it as a friend wanted to send me a picture of herself so I did say "hold on a minute"11:22
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chem|stcibirto33: hi11:23
* RST38h expresses hope that most of the people who came up with MMS-related standards are now jobless11:23
keriochem|st: pics or it didn't happen11:24
kerioparticularly that pic11:24
DocScrutinizerbasically MMS is as useless as GSM video calls, or a N900 find-sex app. You never find any peer with a properly equipped device11:24
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chem|stpush to talk would be so useful but got never implemented in europe, and you know US people over here by seeing them talking on the von as they hold it like a walkietalkie and entertain there surrounding with rubish drunken talk11:25
kerion900s are devices to play with yourself11:25
DocScrutinizerkerio: wrong formfactor11:25
keriowe *have* a push to talk protocol that's easy to use11:25
kerioit's called ham radio11:25
chem|stkerio: it was a picture of her in her car, she wanted me to comment on her new haircut11:26
cibirto33is it possible to completely remove skype from the N900?11:26
mecekerio, now I'm hungry. want a ham sandwich.11:26
chem|stcibirto33: yes but whats the matter with it?11:26
mececibirto33, you can remove the plugin11:27
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cibirto33mece: ok thanks :)11:27
chem|stcibirto33: still interessted in what the matter is!11:27
meceand maybe rtcom-abook-skype-plugin11:27
cibirto33chem|st: try to strip down the whole stuff11:27
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chem|stcibirto33: strip down for what?11:28
mececibirto33, actually just do dpkg -l *skype* and remove all those :D11:28
cibirto33mece: thanks11:28
DocScrutinizerstarting with nuking skype is a reasonable thought, for sure11:28
mececibirto33, I haven't tried this though. fyi.11:28
cibirto33chem|st: I want to have only some trusted apps on the device...11:29
DocScrutinizergood point11:29
chem|stcibirto33: k, what do you mean by trusted11:29
DocScrutinizerskype definitely is category "proven non-trustworthy"11:29
cibirto33chem|st: apps that I can control :)11:30
chem|stDocScrutinizer: so is everything but jabber11:30
keriocibirto33: good luck using your n900 without bme or firmwares11:30
DocScrutinizerchem|st: whatever it means, skype doesn't match11:30
chem|stDocScrutinizer: true11:30
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chem|stkerio: good point11:30
mececibirto33, run meego! fully open source :)11:30
kerioalthough a N900 with no bme is better, imo11:31
cibirto33kerio: right... but well, if you can control every data channel that's enough for me11:31
keriomece: i thought the handset UX was proprietary11:31
cibirto33mece: this is in my 'to try list'11:31
DocScrutinizerwho gives a f* for bme :-P11:31
mecekerio, no11:31
DocScrutinizerbme is so ... obsolete X-P11:31
keriothen why can't i apt-get install meego-handset yet?11:31
Gh0styis meego on n900 now usable11:32
Gh0stylike can I make calls, send sms, and do some stuff?11:32
Gh0styor is it just a developer toy11:32
meceGh0sty, yes you can.. somewhat. But it's just for developers, and not really a toy, since it's not really fun.11:33
Gh0stywhy isnt it fun? :p11:33
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DocScrutinizerprobably depends on your definition of fun11:34
mecekerio, (11:31:58 AM) mece: Stskeeps, is everything open source in meego handset?11:34
mece(11:32:00 AM) mece: arm11:34
mece(11:33:12 AM) Stskeeps: well, if we tell apart the meego part and the hardware adaptation, then yes11:34
mece(11:33:26 AM) Stskeeps: yes, some of the artwork is restricted if you're not meego compliant though -- same with other distros11:34
chem|stGh0sty: so nope no fun not usable just for testing11:34
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meceGh0sty, well mostly it's kinda slow11:34
chem|stmece: there was a suggestion to get the non-free out of meego artwork asap11:35
DocScrutinizerchem|st: don't ask how many nice suggestions regarding meego went unnoticed11:35
Gh0styand probably more battery hungry ?11:35
Gh0styor is that still ok ?11:35
meceGh0sty, it's a pocketwarmer11:36
chem|stGh0sty: no charging with the 1.1 kernel and what mece said11:36
DocScrutinizerGh0sty: it will take a looong time til usability of meego will be someway near maemo11:36
Gh0stybut is progress on maemo still going on?11:37
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mecethat said, it's very simple to try out if you have an sd card, so go ahead, see for yourself.11:37
Gh0styI kinda start to like maemo in its current form ... except for the phone screen11:37
DocScrutinizeragain depends on your definition of progress11:37
Gh0styhate it that you cannot look at an sms directly from the phone screen11:37
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Gh0stythats my only real annoyance ...11:37
meceGh0sty, ??11:38
chem|stGh0sty: I installed it, ran it till I was out of battery... back to maemo... same with nitdroid... (and that damn ba5tard is like calling *.google.* all day long)11:38
DocScrutinizerGh0sty: annoyance is the closed source state of dialer, contacts, calendar, et al11:38
meceGh0sty, well you can see the sms in the.. wtf is it called the screen where you see the running apps??11:38
Gh0styyes and that calendar sync i was mentioning yesterday11:38
Gh0styreally thinking to just drop my money to nuevasync11:39
Gh0stysince its the only way to get my google calendar to sync :/11:39
Gh0stywhich is too bad11:39
mecewhat's nuevasync?11:39
DocScrutinizermece: taskswitcher11:39
CorsacI currently use syncevolution with evolution on my laptop, but I still have duplicates stuff way to often11:39
chem|stGh0sty: tell me one phone not being one or two taps clicks away from new sms, and there is the conversation widget showing msgs on your home screen11:39
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Gh0stychem|st: my E65 had a quick link on my homescreen to calendar and sms11:40
chem|stGh0sty: so I have on n900 o_O11:40
Gh0styon n900 its *leave phone screen* -> click calendar or sms ...11:40
Corsacand you don't manage to do that with maemo?11:40
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Gh0styon the phone screen you cant make links11:41
meceGh0sty, just put it on your desktop!11:41
chem|stGh0sty: why the hell would be phonescreen my base view?11:41
meceGh0sty, what are you on about?11:41
meceare we talking about the phone dialer app?11:41
Gh0styyes i guess11:41
meceI never use that11:41
Gh0stynot sure if thats the name for that screen11:41
Gh0styyou dont make calls? :p11:42
mecewell ok if I make a call to an unknown number, which is like once a week.11:42
Gh0stybtw how much guys actually lock their n900 here with a code11:43
Gh0stytyping the code to unlock with 1 hand without a portrait view is terrible11:43
chem|stGh0sty: it is not a screen it is an application-frontend to the phone and I do not know any phone of mine I could go directly to sms while on a call or even while dialing, or do you mean use number to send new sms?11:43
Gh0styhow much times i mistyped ... :p11:43
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DocScrutinizerGh0sty: ack11:44
mecewell you CAN send sms from the receive call screen  :)11:44
Gh0stychem|st: for example yesterday I got a call from a customer and wanted to forward that number via sms to a colleague11:44
chem|stGh0sty: needs a bit of practice but I manage to controle the phone one handed even with kbd-slide open11:44
Gh0styI did not find a better way then to save the number to a new contact11:44
Gh0stygo to the new contact11:44
Gh0styedit the contact11:44
Gh0stycopy the number11:44
Gh0stypaste it in new sms11:44
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DocScrutinizermece: you mean call history?11:45
meceDocScrutinizer, no.11:45
Gh0stywhich is -admitted- not a daily practice11:45
meceGh0sty, well, you don't have to add contact. Just do this:11:46
DocScrutinizerGh0sty: that for sure sounds clumsy and there's a better way to do that11:46
Gh0stywell enlighten me then :p11:46
Gh0styit was the first thing I could figure out :p11:46
mececlick-hold on number -> new contact -> select and copy number -> click outside new contact dialogue.11:46
meceGh0sty, ok it's 3 steps but still pretty quick. a "copy number" in the long press menu would be nicer, I agree.11:47
DocScrutinizersorry, I don't get what exactly you want to do11:47
chem|stDocScrutinizer: copy number from recent calls to sms11:48
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DocScrutinizerrecent calls? that IS call history, no?11:48
chem|stGh0sty: that is about the same what I needed to do on any other phone11:48
chem|stDocScrutinizer: yes11:48
meceDocScrutinizer, yes11:48
DocScrutinizercall history -> click on number -> click on "send text message" -> done11:48
meceDocScrutinizer, that sends a text TO that number, he wanted to send the number AS a text. To someone else.11:49
Gh0stychem|st: in the new contact you still need to use ctrl-c because there copy option is not present on the touchscreen (even with long press)11:49
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Gh0stybut ok I could have skipped the step of saving the contact11:50
Gh0stybut there ought to be better ways11:50
DocScrutinizeryes, dialogs viewer needs a text edit where you can mark and copy text11:50
chem|stGh0sty: fo fsck sake use both hands11:50
meceGh0sty, ok heh, well I can see that it's not very comfy, and pretty much impossible with just one hand.11:50
Gh0styon the long click menu they should have made the option like "send this number"11:50
chem|stmece: btw how do I add recipients to an active conversation11:50
Gh0stybut what is it11:51
Gh0styactually the whole phone screen (or dialer app as you call it) is closed?11:51
Gh0styso its impossible for everyone except a nokia dev to change any of it?11:51
chem|stkind of yes11:52
DocScrutinizerwell, in contacts there should be an option "send as vcard SMS"11:52
Gh0styyes but then you already need the contact saved :p11:53
DocScrutinizerit's not existent for unknown numbers in call history11:53
DocScrutinizerwhich makes kinda sense11:53
Gh0styand vcards is something "simple" phones dont understand11:53
DocScrutinizerhmm, it's a plain text format11:53
Gh0stynot that there are much people out there that I know which have an old brick phone11:54
chem|stGh0sty: sms vcards are some kind of standardized11:54
Gh0styin the past at least I had some people complain when i sent vcard they got garbeled text11:54
chem|stGh0sty: and phone which arent able to save it directly show is as normal sms11:54
chem|stGh0sty: garbled... those people arent used to chars lik {[]}<>11:55
Gh0styoh and about nuevasync:11:55
Gh0styI use google calendar and to sync that with n900 calendar using mail for exchange it does not work directly11:56
Gh0styso I took a free account at nuevasync to sync it11:56
DocScrutinizerok, we all agree the default dialer/pim apps are closed source and crap and Nokia insists they remain crap, for "differentiation". My 1999 Nokia 6210 had a "select and copy numbers" option on SMS viewer11:56
Gh0stythat works fine11:56
Gh0stybut they now suspend the free service11:56
Gh0styso I gotta pay or find an alternative11:56
Gh0styjust received a mail yesterday that the free service stops in 5 days :x11:57
DocScrutinizerhonestly, I never got the rationale behind this differentiation argument11:57
Gh0stywhat I dont understand is why they nowhere involve some good designers ...11:57
chem|stDocScrutinizer: is there one?11:57
chem|stGh0sty: they do but let them only work on transitions11:58
Gh0styI'm not a designer ... far from it but some things look logically missing in my pov11:58
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Gh0styis there also a serious article about battery savings?11:59
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Gh0stywhen you start googling and ready around11:59
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beerpagesKostenlose mini Homepages für Umfragen, Videos und vielem mehr auf - Beispiel:
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Gh0stythere are settings like swapiness and stuff, then some people claim it does a lot ... now I don't feel it much different ...11:59
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Gh0styand some claim it could even harm your phone12:00
chem|stGh0sty: do you know what swapiness does?12:00
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Gh0stybut I don't understand why a phone compared to a server could get harmed by changing it :p12:00
Gh0stybut as far as i understand from other threads the memory on the n900 is somewhat limited so it tends to swap fast12:01
chem|stit is more like we recommend to leave your fingers of stuff you do not understand as you may do things to your device bricking melting exploding it12:01
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Gh0styyes thats why I look around ... I am a sysadmin and do understand most stuff but not really that familiar with low profile hardware like n90012:03
chem|stthe point in high swappiness is to have the active program running smooth which makes changes slow12:03
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chem|stI have 30% free ram most of the time with the std swappiness settings, and I think why swap if ther is still plenty of ram?12:04
RST38hchemist: that is a bit different from what you describe12:05
RST38hchemist: High swappiness leads to more memory available to NEW applications being started12:05
RST38hSo, your applications start up faster12:06
DocScrutinizeror allocates ram faster (malloc() )12:06
RST38hYour running applications may run slower / choppier, if your swap performs badly (like in N900)12:06
chem|stRST38h: oh yeah in my head I included starting programs but didn''t write it ;)12:07
RST38hLower swappiness effectively makes app startup or memory allocation slower, but will keep running apps in memory, so they run smoothly12:07
DocScrutinizerexcept when doing malloc()12:07
RST38hOn PCs, you can keep it at 100%, their disks are fast enough to support swappiness12:07
RST38hOn N900, 30% feels like the right balance12:08
RST38hYou can even set it to 0% and it won't kill you, just increase app startup times12:08
Gh0styoh just some stupid idea of mine ... is it possible to divide the storage space you see as mass storage in 2 parts?12:08
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DocScrutinizerand running app maloc() delays12:08
Gh0styi'd like 1 fat32 of 4G12:08
Gh0styand the rest xfs or ext or something12:09
Gh0stycause it sucks to have to store DVD images in 2 parts due to the crappy fat limits :p12:09
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Gh0stywhich would be the better choice ... xfs? :p12:09
DocScrutinizerchange size of /home12:09
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chem|stGh0sty: lol you jsut need to write the right fat... I store 7.4GB dvds on my usbsticks vfat 8GB stick12:10
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: well, recorder .wav files stalled at 2GB for me, on MyDocs12:11
chem|stonce I had a 500GB external hdd with a few fat partitions all not able to write beyond 2GB...12:12
chem|stDocScrutinizer: yeah you need to format it your own I guess, not tried on N900 yet12:12
DocScrutinizermaybe recorder sucks, maybe MyDocs fs sucks12:12
chem|stnot my hdd btw, just had to put some movies on it12:13
chem|stDocScrutinizer: both in the limits ;)12:13
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DocScrutinizermaybe even .wav format sucks X-P12:14
DocScrutinizerbut I don't think so. .wav has no length limits I'd know of12:15
Gh0styha cool12:18
Gh0stythat dbus call for disabling the gsm radio is now also on the wiki12:18
Gh0stysplendid :)12:18
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* DocScrutinizer puts new hack on wiki: echo loser >x; cat x >>x12:22
chxadd an infinite loop......12:23
DocScrutinizeranother one?12:23
chxDocScrutinizer: this one did not work12:23
chxDocScrutinizer: It's been very very long ago that cat allowed this12:23
DocScrutinizerhmm, it doesn't?12:23
chxcat: x: input file is output file12:24
chxi tried it on desktop12:24
chxnot on the n90012:24
chxbut i cant imagine it being otehrwise12:24
DocScrutinizerok, make that cat x | cat >>x12:24
chxteee heeee12:25
chxi am not sure of that either12:25
chxwouldnt cat x read the first block , find an eof, finish and the write happen after?12:26
DocScrutinizeryeah, buffer size12:26
chxyou need something like tail -F12:26
chxeh -f12:26
Corsac-F is ok too12:26
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gomiam sécuado.12:29
DocScrutinizerwell, I seem to remember a cat y x >>x once 'worked' for me12:29
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DocScrutinizerfunny, cat got smarter12:32
Corsacit's not cat, it's your shell12:34
Corsac(and tee works fine too)12:35
Corsacor sponge12:35
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Corsac(in moreutils)12:35
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lolcatIs there ANY way to get spotify offline on the N900? I have premium12:56
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stondalong answer short, no.12:58
lolcatI should never have given away my N97 mini to my gf12:58
lolcatIt was great as a mp3 player12:58
fladnagCool that makes somehow nearly 800 n9hundrets12:58
fladnag... Someone told me after myquestion not evryone but most got 2 n900 ..!12:59
lolcatAnnoying that none of the open-source clients supports offline12:59
fladnagOne n900 is exciting enough forme ..!13:00
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fladnagAnd atlast igot holymoly internet again ...13:01
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fladnagSo im here and ihave some questions already that are specific enough to ask them in this channel ithink ...13:02
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chem|stfladnag: welcome!13:04
fladnagQuake3 ... Its running quite well on my n900 but its running with softwarerendering isnt it?13:04
fladnagThankyou chemist!13:04
chem|stlolcat: none of which os-clients?13:04
alteregoI didn't even know Q3 could run with software rendering.13:05
chem|stfladnag: I think its qles13:05
chem|stgles sry13:05
chem|stalterego: me neither13:05
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chem|stalterego: a usb-hub mouse keyboard and a beamer and we got the smallest game station ;)13:06
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toadpolei have a problem with my updater... it shows 12 apps with updates, all are between 89 and 91mb, when i try to update anything, it downloads all 90-odd mb and says 'update failed', no matter which app i try to update13:08
toadpoleany help with that?13:08
fladnagIam atthe dentist cu :)13:08
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chem|sttoadpole: ehrm each is 89-91mb?13:09
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toadpoleyeah, all around 90 mb, give or take a few hundred kb13:10
chem|sttoadpole: which apps?13:10
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toadpolegimme a sec, i'll pull up the update list13:10
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chem|sttoadpole: which firmware are you on?13:11
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* chem|st thinks calling it firmware is odd but on all other phones you call the OSs you call it firmware13:12
chem|sttoadpole: 12 apps each 90MB sounds odd to me13:13
toadpoleyeah, kinda makes it much less cooler than it actually is :D13:13
toadpoleyeah, i can't find any help in the forums either13:13
fladnagHe gaveme an esthetic and now ihave to wait some minutes bevore he can take the tooth out ...13:13
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toadpole100 boxes - 90.2 mb13:14
toadpoleauto complete editor 90.0 mb13:14
toadpolebirthday - 89.9 mb13:15
chem|sttoadpole: you messed something up I guess13:15
toadpoleyup, i think i did13:15
chem|sttoadpole: waht did you do lately?13:15
fladnagWhatdoyouthink ... Quake 3 (maemo5 on n900 it -stock- softwarerendering or with the ogl ?13:15
toadpoledo i need to reflash or is there a factory reset?13:15
toadpolei installed the maemo update13:15
chem|stfladnag: as stated above it is gles13:16
chem|sttoadpole: how did you install the update13:16
toadpolethrough the app manager13:16
chem|sttoadpole: ok13:16
chem|sttoadpole: have you rebooted yet13:16
toadpoleseveral times13:16
chem|sttoadpole: nvm13:17
toadpoleyou think apt-get update would fix this?13:17
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chem|sttoadpole: open up a xterm become root and type "dpkg --clear-avail"13:17
toadpolewhats that do?13:18
chem|sttoadpole: that deletes all package info13:18
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chem|sttoadpole: after that "apt-get update"13:19
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toadpoleit won't delete installed packages, will it?13:19
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chem|sttoadpole: no it cleans out lists only13:19
toadpoledo i need to reboot before apt-get?13:20
chem|styou need to have ham closed13:20
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infobothmm... ham is oink oink.  Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager.  Hildon application Manager  Ham is also lovely with pickle.13:20
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toadpolethis is gonna take a long time on EDGE, no 3G here :/13:21
lolcatchem|st: Linux13:21
chem|stlolcat: GNU/Linux13:21
toadpole5 packages 1371825 / 2204kB 62%13:22
toadpoledoes that mean 137 mb? :O13:22
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chem|styou just did apt-get update?13:23
chem|stwhcih repositories are active?13:24
toadpolethe defaults, extras testing, extras devel13:24
chem|stlolcat: which opensource clients I was asking not os as in operating sys..13:24
chem|sttoadpole: thats between 16-25MB usualy (don't know if its bigger yet13:25
toadpolehey wait, i think its doing it13:25
toadpolethe packages are not 90 mb anymore13:25
chem|sttoadpole: it will recreate all list from scratch13:25
chem|stshould be about 3MB now13:25
chem|stall together13:26
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toadpolenope, more than that13:26
chem|sttoadpole: for some reason the OTA update does not rewrite some files13:26
toadpolei'm up to around 12 mb so far13:27
chem|sttoadpole: oh well 100 boxes is 400kb already13:27
chem|sttoadpole: you are good now?13:27
toadpolehopefully, yes. thanks bro, if there are any problems, i might bother you again :)13:28
chem|sttoadpole: do yourself a favour, deactivate devel13:28
toadpolei actually wanted preenv13:28
chem|sttoadpole: yeah I activate devel only if I need something from devel in special13:28
toadpoleokay, i also have that other repository, or something, that's got some nice apps13:29
chem|stjust had to fix install and uninstall scripts from several packages while upgrading my SDK from 1.2 to 1.3 yesterday13:29
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chem|sttoadpole: the repo is a collector of all kind, is it really trustworthy?13:33
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toadpolei've downloaded a few apps, seems to work fine13:33
chem|stlists only 6 for download13:34
toadpolewha? no, something wrong there, they have a few hundred apps13:34
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chem|sttoadpole: the software catalog shows a few hundreds, a closer look shows they are from all over the place, some from some from ovi and so on13:36
chem|stthe download list shows only 613:36
toadpolestrange, i was looking through the downloads yesterday, it made the app list a whole lot bigger13:37
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toadpolei have to go, i'll be back later, thanks again, chem|st, your help is much appreciated\13:40
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chem|sttoadpole: in ham it only list 5 apps...13:46
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tzafrir_laptopI'm having a problem setting up Hebrew keyboard mapping14:25
tzafrir_laptop(yes, I read Hebrew_N900 on the wiki)14:26
tzafrir_laptopSpecifically, I installed ukeyboard,14:26
tzafrir_laptopBut I only get the "phonetic" Hebrew layout, which is rather pointless14:26
tzafrir_laptopThere should be a querty Hebrew layout, but I don't see it on the list of layouts14:27
fladnagAlterego ? Abernich alterego oder ? Technotechnotechno :)14:27
tzafrir_laptopI do have he-querty.xkb in /usr/share/ukeyboard14:27
alteregoIch sprechen nicht Deutsch.14:28
crashanddiealterego, wirklich?14:28
alteregoIch nicht Duetsch gesprechen?14:28
chem|stcrashanddie: war mir nicht bekannt14:28
chem|stalterego: wie du sprichst kein deutsch?14:29
lollooam still having bad quality using skype phone, I tried calling echo/test service and the sound is terrible14:30
lollooI applied BoostN900 patch but that didn't fix it14:30
chem|stlolloo: what about deactivating powersaving and setting wifi to 100mW?14:31
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lolloochem|st, yes that too. I did that thank you.14:31
fladnagAre you or r u not by anymeans the alterego please tell me :)  faendich jajez echt zukrass wenn ... Aber was geet ...14:32
lollooI aslo tried to change the DSL routers channel14:32
lolloobut it seems that when I call using my pc I get a good quality14:32
lolloobut when I use skype on N900 its bad quality14:33
chem|stlolloo: use something like wifiinfo to check for channels14:33
alteregoI am the alterego.14:33
lolloook what channel is best for N900?14:33
alteregoOr something.14:33
alteregololloo: it's more about the traffic around your AP14:33
chem|stfladnag: you dont speak german neither14:34
lollooskype on my pc is better than on my n90014:34
chem|stlolloo: the channel noone else uses and at best one channel free in between14:34
alteregoIf there are a lot of networks on the same frequency/channel as your wireless network, you may get a load of attenuation issues.14:34
lollooby a big margin14:34
lolloook I will look into that14:34
alteregochem|st: well, there are only really 3 channels 1 6 and 11 ..14:34
chem|stso your pc is connected via wifi right?14:34
chem|stlolloo: powersaving is off?14:35
tzafrir_laptopAlternatively:  is there any way to force a specific XKB layout?14:35
fladnagEy ward ihr nich zwei? Also romanfluegel und14:35
tzafrir_laptop(I can do without the virtual keyboard)14:35
chem|stfladnag: english!14:36
lollooI will keep trying other channels.14:36
fladnagHomiess legowelt ?14:36
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lollooI will give my feedback14:36
chem|stlolloo: wont do it,14:36
chem|stlolloo: what is your encryption method?14:36
chem|stwhat is running in background?14:37
fladnagHey what doyou guys think about chiptunes/gameboymusic :)14:37
lolloonothing I formatted or reflashed my nokia14:37
chem|stlolloo: using WEP is like using no encryption...14:37
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lollooguysoft42, what channel is best for n900?14:39
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lollooI have from 1 - 1314:39
nidOas you were told, there is no "best" channel14:39
chem|stlolloo: there is no best channel for n900, there is best channel for your location!14:39
nidOjust pick the one that has the least other networks on it14:39
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chem|stlolloo: have you got a data plan?14:41
chem|stlolloo: changing your channel wont help as your pc would have the same problem14:42
chem|stlolloo: something on your setup is messing up14:42
lollooyou right14:42
chem|sttry someone elses router14:42
lollooyeah I will keep that in mind14:42
chem|stlolloo: or look into some "howto setup wifi" guides for proper settings of thresholds beacons and so on14:43
chem|stRST38h: that one has been dead for a while o_O14:44
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alteregoOh wait, wrong channel14:48
lcukRST38h, would that be the reason for jittery/jumpy graphics?14:49
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nidOaccording to the story it was the reason for completely dead graphics14:49
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ruskieCannot update 'fMMS'. Update cannot be understood.14:50
ruskie[Yes] [No]14:50
lcuknidO, that does not explain the french speech coming out of the speakers14:50
fladnagAlsoo joern oder roman ????14:50
RST38hlcuk: No, but if it is the smell, you know who caused it14:50
fladnagEy ich vergoettere dich14:50
alteregoWhat is your obsession with my nick?14:50
fladnagYou are not alterego but your name is :)14:51
crashanddiefladnag, how about you drop it and just get on wither another discussion topic?14:52
infobotcrashanddie meant: fladnag, how about you drop it and just get on with another discussion topic?14:52
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alteregoI should probably tidy up my N900, emmc has about 500M free O_o15:05
lcukalterego, I filled mine more than once o_O15:06
fladnagHow can one make the fuckin rootfs bigger ?15:06
crashanddiegive it soup15:06
crashanddieor viagra15:06
lcukfladnag, meego uses 4gb rootfs that can be extended afaik - it installs onto the external MMC15:06
lcukso == big rootfs :)15:06
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alteregoJust had to purge a load of crap from my Downloads directory.15:10
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fladnagDoes anyone know how to manoever thrue normal maemo_5 n900 with arrowkeys ?15:13
fladnagLike inthe filebrowser or file dialogs like in emulators ..! ???15:14
lcukfladnag, theres a mod for kildon which adds keybindings for some things, but not sure its status or whether specifically it adds arrow navigation15:14
lcukhildon even15:14
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fladnagHow do i get this mod please15:15
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fladnagPlease please please with sugar ontop :)15:16
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fladnagThaaankyou !!!!15:17
lcukfladnag, read all about it, and note its not an official package etc15:18
lcukand mostly, report feedback to the developer :)15:18
lcukonce you have it installed, pressing "U, U, D, D, L, R, L, R, A, B, Select, Start" will open an feedback form15:19
fladnagIs it very unstable ? Do you have experience withit?15:20
fladnag:)  selct,start ?? Wtf15:20
lcuksorry fladnag, I have given you hints and a start15:20
fladnagN900 hasno select & start15:20
lolcatchem|st: Any of them15:20
* lcuk puts his cape on and flies back to #meego15:20
fladnagWhatdoyouthink is meego better than maemo_5 or maemo ?15:21
fladnagBut such a cape is cool also :p15:22
fladnagIwant one :p15:22
alteregoNeed to come up with a nice way to make my UI more portable.15:22
alteregoSome bits are too Maemo5 specific.15:22
lcukfladnag, I think with work meego will be everything maemo and more, if we can make meego as open and accessible as maemo it will do the same but for all phones instead of just one15:22
alteregoThink I'll mock up a desktop version.15:22
fladnagBut iam afraid ofbootloaders and such ... Had to reflash ... (Once) but my heart ... :P  Iam not thatjung anymore15:23
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alteregoWhy are you afraid of boot loaders? Anyway, you can run MeeGo without touching the bootloader.15:25
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fladnag..? Keeping maemo_5 ?15:25
jogafunny...had to reboot to be able to send just shows the crossed over outbox icon on the messages I tried to send earlier15:26
jogaand complained "incorrect number" once15:26
alteregoMeego is installed on a MicroSD card.15:26
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alteregoThen you use the flasher utility to load the kernel directly onto the N900 without having to actually flash the device.15:27
alteregoThen it boots.15:27
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alteregoDoesn't touch maemo, doesn't touch the bootloader, once you restart the device after you've finished testing meego, it'll start back up into maemo.15:28
lolcatI can have meego on N900?15:30
lolcatDoes meego support spotify offline?15:30
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fladnagCan meego run maemo(5) apps ?15:31
alteregoYou can, but it's really only useful if you want to start developing and exploring what MeeGo offers.15:31
alteregoIt's not stable enough for day-to-day use.15:31
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fladnag:)  ithink maemo_5 isnt also ... But i use it evryday alldaylong15:32
lolcatMaemo 5 beats symbian for sure15:32
fladnagBut maybe meego is more trouble atm15:33
lolcatIt is bether than adroid because the N900 is so powerfull15:33
fladnagEven more :)15:33
fladnagN900 can run android also ..!15:33
lolcatfladnag: maemo isnt a lot of trouble15:33
lolcatCan I call with android?15:34
alteregoMaemo 5 is fine.15:34
fladnagOk if you sayso15:34
fladnagYeah phone functionality works sofar15:34
fladnag(android on n900)15:34
lolcatMaybe I should swich to android15:35
* RST38h /ignores and sighs15:35
lolcatRST38h: Me?15:35
fladnagBut why are u sighsing :?)15:35
lolcatfladnag: Then I would be able to get spotify!15:36
fladnagAndroid + maemo_5 + meego on one n900 :p15:36
fladnag+ ledbeamer + sixaxis-ps3pad >> lotsoffun :p15:37
fladnag> christmas > ledbeamer15:38
fladnag!!!! :)15:38
RST38hlolcat: you? well...15:38
fladnagGot a wiimote already15:38
alteregoWhat's ledbeamer?15:38
MohammadAGandroid is crap15:38
lolcatI bougth a siaxis ps3 controller to use with my n90015:39
lolcatMohammadAG: But spotify supports it115:39
fladnagLedbeamer is an video projector that wight's about 200gramms and uses usb (5v 500ma) for power :)  ...15:40
MohammadAGspotify isn't supported here, so I don't care15:40
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fladnag... Portable cinema/arkade15:40
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fladnag(with an n900. . .)15:41
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fladnagBut beware ! They normaly have just about 30 ansilumen ..!15:42
fladnag... A normal beamer for 230volts has about 2000 ansilumen. .!15:43
fladnagOr wasit 1000 ?15:43
fladnag... Something likethat15:43
lolcatMohammadAG: Neither is Android15:44
MohammadAGlolcat, err?15:45
fladnagBut it wight's about 2000 gramms or more and yeah you got thepoint15:45
SpeedEviloh - projector15:45
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Venemohey guys15:46
unluckieris uboot a boot manager, like grub on pcs?15:48
unluckierhello Venemo15:49
alteregoHey Venemo15:49
alteregounluckier: yes, it is.15:49
crashanddieIs it just me, or does Reuters need to be told what a "shark" is?
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unluckieralterego: okay. so it supports some kind of prompt, so i could choose between the meego and the pr13 and the power kernel?15:51
alteregounluckier: Hrm, well, yes, in theory.15:51
toadpolehey can i get to /home/usr in mass storage mode? i don't see it anywhere15:52
alteregoRead up on uboot, it's not as easy as it is in a desktop system.15:52
unluckiercrashanddie: that is not a shark?!15:52
alteregotoadpole: no, mass storage mode exports /home/user/MyDocs15:52
crashanddieunluckier, good, so we agree :)15:52
toadpoleokay, thanks guys15:53
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unluckiercrashanddie: i'm sure it's one of the near extinct horned sharks, preying on stage divers at weird spanish snuff shows15:55
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toadpoledoes (instal preenv games in mydocs) affect anything else?15:56
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Venemoalterego: what's up?16:13
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alteregoNot a lot.16:14
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chem|stfladnag: no calling with nitdroid as there is no mic support16:15
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Corsacchem|st: and no pin-protected sim support either, isn't it?16:18
MohammadAGi thought there was mic support16:18
MohammadAGbut no modem voice support16:18
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chem|stCorsac: yes, same goes for meego16:20
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lolloois it hard to port pulseaudioused in meego to nitdroid?16:20
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lolloooh meego also dont support modem voice16:21
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, partition is You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions." Partition16:31
infoboti heard partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition16:31
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Venemohi MohammadAG16:34
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MohammadAGhi Venemo :)16:34
Venemohow are you?16:35
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alteregoHey MohammadAG16:36
MohammadAGbored :P16:36
alteregoMe too.16:37
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MohammadAGhi alterego16:37
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VenemoI'm also a bit bored16:39
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Venemobut not for long16:40
VenemoI'll start working on my app soon :P16:40
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chem|st~repartitioning is
infobotchem|st: okay16:41
infobotTomorrow will probably suck too.16:41
infobotrepartitioning is probably
infobotYesterday? it sucked.16:41
infobotToday is the first day of the rest of your life (Friday).16:41
chem|st~partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition or maybe repartitioning16:42
infobot...but partitioning is already something else...16:42
chem|st~forget partitioning16:42
MohammadAGdo HildonExtras work with PyGTK?16:42
VenemoMohammadAG: it should, but I haven't a clue how to use it16:43
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VenemoMohammadAG: there are a few components that are ported to python too16:43
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ciapshi all16:43
Venemohi ciaps16:43
chem|st~no, partitioning16:43
chem|st~partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition or maybe repartitioning16:43
infobot...but partitioning is already something else...16:43
MohammadAGchem|st, why?16:43
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Venemo~hildon-extras is
infobotVenemo: okay16:43
chem|stMohammadAG: want to add repartitioning16:44
MohammadAGVenemo, I want the HeFullScreen one (if I got the name right)16:44
VenemoMohammadAG: I don't know how to make python bindings, but alterego might know more than I16:44
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VenemoMohammadAG: why python? :P16:45
MohammadAGbut the current one seems right16:45
lolloohow do I know the app name so I can get it apt-get command?16:45
jrobichahello everyone, Venemo proposed that I ask for help here16:45
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jrobichaI need to be able to edit /etc/event.d/xomap without booting maemo16:45
Venemololloo: you'll need to know the name of the package to do that16:45
chem|stlolloo: you apt-cache search for it16:45
MohammadAGVenemo, working on noor again, need it for tomorrow's exam :P16:46
VenemoMohammadAG: noor?16:46
MohammadAGQuran app16:46
chem|stjrobicha: from droid or meego?16:46
Venemololloo: you can also search on
jrobichaI've made a bad edit to that file (putting the Xorg.0.log file from /tmp to the MyDocs folder because it's getting too big) and now maemo can't boot16:46
lolloooh great. better than app manager16:46
lolloosucks big time!16:46
jrobichachemjst: any16:47
jrobichaI'm currently flashing meego on an external sd card16:47
MohammadAGMaePad's in python right?16:47
chem|stjrobicha: nitdroid cannot mount root partition in a easy way16:47
VenemoMohammadAG: oh. so it is stuff with which one can read the Quran?16:47
chem|stjrobicha: you need to become root in droid to do that afair16:48
MohammadAGVenemo, yeah16:48
jrobichachemjst: yeah, that's what I thought.  I have this runnign right now:
crashanddieVenemo, actually, the thing you use to read is called "eyes"16:48
crashanddieor fingertips, if you're blind.16:48
MohammadAGsince it's a port of the PC version, full screen mode can only be exit from using the F button16:48
MohammadAGwhat if you're blind and want to use the N900 to read?16:49
crashanddieget it as an audiobook16:49
chem|stMohammadAG: espeak16:49
VenemoMohammadAG: no idea16:49
crashanddiegood luck on finding the icon though16:49
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chem|stjrobicha: I guess there is some editor available in the rescue shell16:50
jrobichachemjst: I can now mount mmbblk0p1 and p2 on my laptop, but that doesn't contain the root fs partition16:50
jrobichachemjst: yes16:50
crashanddierescue hell**16:51
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jrobichabut I can't see the "/" equivalent device16:51
MohammadAGroot is /dev/mtd516:51
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MohammadAGmeego's initrd can't modprobe ubi.ko16:51
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chem|stcrashanddie: icon? i know the keymap can start xterm and run a command with closed eyes...16:51
jrobichaMohammadAG: ah, that's pretty bad then...16:52
chem|sthaptic keyboards for life!16:52
crashanddieactually, I was recently shown a screen with variable texture16:52
MohammadAGnitdroid mounts the root partition on boot afaik16:52
jrobichado we have another 'rescue' initrd I could use?16:52
crashanddieso that you could make "buttons" appear anywhere on the screen. The screen draws what the button means, and you can feel where it is16:53
chem|stcrashanddie: the wife of a friend is blind and is developer of those haptic boards for blind people... he is knopper (knoppix...)16:53
jrobichaMohammadAG: yeah, but within nitdroid, I can't get to a shell and edit stuff16:53
MohammadAGnope, might work on one soon though16:53
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, saw the tech demo16:53
crashanddieMohammadAG, I saw the demo in my office :)16:53
chem|stjrobicha: there is a shell preinstalled in the devel section but no root me remembers16:54
MohammadAGgood point, doesn't busybox run on android?16:54
chem|stcrashanddie: got a link handy?16:54
jrobichaMohammadAG: that's a good question16:54
crashanddiechem|st, nope16:54
ciapsI'm trying to install tesseract on the nokia n900. Yesterday I spent the intere day tryint to do it but without success.. I tried to download with apt-get but I did not found the package, after I tried to compile from the source inside scratchbox but no results16:54
crashanddieMohammadAG & chem|st: it even allows for a blind personal navigation system -- you keep your finger on the screen, and with a digital compass and gps, it guides you towards your destination by making the button move left and right to "aim" you.16:55
ciapsIf I try to compile it in the n900 I get this error: ./configure: permission denied16:55
ciapsbut I checked the permissions and it's ok..16:55
ciapsany ideas?16:55
crashanddieciaps, yes, the permissions aren't right16:56
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crashanddieciaps, and you need to do it on the root, not inside /home/user/MyDocs16:56
crashanddieor the SD card for that matter16:56
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ciapscrashanddie: why I have to compile the project in the root?16:57
chem|stciaps: tesseract-ocr16:57
crashanddieciaps, because the fat32 partitions don't support the exec bit16:57
crashanddieciaps, or remount the partition without the noexec flag16:58
ciapschem|st: doesn't work apt-get install tesseract-ocr: it doesn't find the package16:58
ciapscrashanddie: uhm16:58
chem|stciaps: it is in devel16:58
ciapschem|st: I should have that repository but it doesn't work16:58
ciapscrashanddie: so I have to copy the project in the root directory and execute it.. ok16:59
chem|stciaps: no just somewhere not vfat16:59
jrobichaMohammadAG: actually, the meego rescue "initrd" I have actually have the ubifs.ko16:59
jrobichaare there special "modprobe" options to pass to mount the fs?16:59
ciapschem|st: ok, so I can also create a folder in the root and after execute there.. ok thanks :) I'm going to try it17:00
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jrobichaa simple "modprobe ubifs" gives errors related to: unable to initialize the lzo compressor17:00
chem|stciaps: I would check if devel is active first17:00
ciapshow can I do it?17:01
chem|stham or simply download it from the website...17:01
chem|stciaps: I would not use / (rootfs) for compiling stuff, use /home/user/<yourfolder> instead17:02
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ciapschem|st: ok thanks.. it seems that tesseract is not available in the repository.. I'm clicking to download but it doesn't start17:04
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chem|stciaps: you are doing something wrong...
ciapsyes you're right17:05
chem|sttype wget <link>17:06
chem|stafter that "dpkg -i tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.deb"17:06
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ciapscan I ask you where did you find the link? I'm here:
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chem|stoh you need to fullfill the dependencies first17:07
chem|stciaps click on the link at package17:07
ciapsbut if I press it doesn't start17:07
ciapsit links me here:
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chem|stat releases just the armel one clicking17:08
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chem|styes and there is "file: tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.deb" link17:09
ciapsdamn it yes17:09
ciapsyou're right17:10
chem|stciaps: activate extras-devel or better leave your hands off!17:10
ciapscheers mate17:10
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MohammadAGjrobicha, as I said, you can't modprobe it17:10
chem|styour next step is to find your self stuck to not being able to install17:10
ciapsI have it in the /etc/apt/source.list but it doens't work17:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, is +o necessary?17:11
chem|stthat is the point you should give up!17:11
jrobichaMohammadAG: yeah!  I thought is was because the module wasn't there17:11
chem|stMohammadAG: he might forgot earlier17:11
jrobichaMohammadAG: but I understand that it's a deeper problem...17:11
MohammadAGyeah, probably missing kernel .config line17:12
chem|stjrobicha: what are you actualy trying to do?17:12
MohammadAGor another module17:12
MohammadAGbrb, gotta study :)17:12
jrobichachemjst: well, yesterday, I was trying to diagnose my growing Xorg.0.log problem17:12
chem|stok weekend ladies17:13
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jrobichachemjst: I wanted to have the log created outside /tmp (because there's only 1MB available there)17:13
chem|stjrobicha: and now you screwed all your system?17:13
jrobichaI edited /etc/event.d/xomap and put the destination of the xorg log to /home/.../MyDocs17:13
jrobichawell, the system is generally fine, but the phone doesn't boot into maemo becaue of that change17:14
chem|stand that is not readable at the point it is needed to be17:14
jrobichaso I simply want to edit that file again and put the log destination to /tmp again17:14
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jrobichayes, MyDocs isn't available when X starts17:14
jrobichabut right now, I can't access the root fs17:14
chem|stjrobicha: what a wonder...17:14
jrobichachemjst: indeed17:15
Venemoisn't it possible to boot maemo into console mode?17:15
Venemothat'd do it17:15
chem|stVenemo: thats the rescue initrd17:15
jrobichaVenemo: yes, that would be great17:15
jrobichabut I can't find how17:15
Venemochem|st: so why doesn't jrobicha do that?17:16
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jrobichavenemo & chemjst: I can get the meego rescue initrd, is there a maemo one?17:16
chem|stVenemo: he did but it doesnt list /dev/mmcblk017:16
jrobichai have multiboot installed also...  maybe that can help?17:16
chem|styou may try to become root in nitdroid and mount it17:17
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chem|stjrobicha: you do that with the remote shell stuff (I never got to wrok for me)17:17
jrobichachemjst: yeah, I couldn't get it to work either17:17
chem|stwhy not reflash?17:18
chem|stlet me guess you didn't do a backup17:18
jrobichayes, I have a data backup17:18
chem|stso whats the deal17:19
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chem|st20 minutes and you are back to normal17:19
jrobichachemjst: I'd like to learn (if possible) how to do that kind of stuff17:19
chem|stjrobicha: if noone here can give you easy steps...17:19
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jrobichachemjst: yeah, that's my conclusion...17:20
chem|stjrobicha: I was stuck at the point of accessing rootfs with nitdroid and finaly gave up on it17:20
Venemojrobicha: reflash is the best. I once screwed up my x keyboard map...17:20
jrobichachemjst: since I want to do some meego dev, that would have been useful17:20
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chem|stexporting rootfs to usb-storage mode didn't work out neither17:20
Venemo_|Nix|_: ping17:20
chem|stjrobicha: maybe someone in #meego-dev can help17:21
chem|stso byebye have a nice weekend17:21
Venemoyou too chem|st17:21
jrobichaoh great, my battery is empty!17:25
Venemojrobicha: charge it then17:26
jrobichavenemo: yeah, I home that it's charging...  the phone is plug with the wall adaptor right now, and goes in reboot cycles....17:27
Venemojrobicha: ouch!17:28
fladnagHey maemopeoples :)17:28
Venemohello fladnag17:28
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Venemojrobicha: reboot cycles is not good...17:29
jrobichavenemo: yeah, hopefully, I'll get enough battery charge to boot into meego and let it charge a little, just enough for a reflash17:29
fladnagDo you know if there is some sort of dj-software for the n900/maemo ??17:30
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fladnag... Like traktor ..?17:30
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fladnagOh and can you tell me what "unoptified" means (milkytracker for maemo) ?17:32
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togglesfladnag: "unoptified" means broken package on maemo17:33
fladnagIt needs more rootfs space orsomething isthat right?17:33
togglesit installs to the wrong partition, which is generally the right partition on a desktop17:33
fladnagBut its just like that for download ...17:34
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fladnagI cant install it orwhat?17:34
fladnag:(  ?17:34
nidOyou can install unoptified software but itll eat up disk space on your rootfs17:34
nidOwhich can cause problems down the line if you lose too much space17:35
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or bullet1,2 and ...17:35
togglesyou can install it but it installs to /usr/bin etc instead of the "correct" /opt/maemo/usr/bin which is on a different partition17:35
togglesheh, better17:35
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Venemofladnag: optified software means that it takes space from the eMMC card and not the rootfs17:36
Venemofladnag: this means installing your binary to /opt/someplace instead of the root fs17:36
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Venemofladnag: this is because the rootfs has very limited size and your app is not supposed to fill it17:36
fladnagOk ahm what do i have to expect17:36
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Venemofladnag: what do you have to expect from what?17:37
fladnagI mean errors/errorscenarios ?17:37
Venemofladnag: from what?17:37
nidOgenerally if you use a bit too much rootfs space youll have trouble with future ota upgrades17:37
fladnagFrom installing software like that17:37
fladnagHm ok17:37
Venemofladnag: if you install stuff that fills up the rootfs, the N900 may not be able to operate correctly17:37
nidOif you use a lot too much rootfs space and fill it entirely, you'll screw up the device and possibly get stuck in a reboot loop when you next restart it17:37
Venemofladnag: for extreme cases (very low space on rootfs), it may no longer be able to boot up17:38
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Venemofladnag: if you don't fill it up fully but fill it much anyway, then there'll be no room for future updates17:38
fladnagAnd is a rebootloop like that reparable like reflashing it or idontknow17:38
Venemofladnag: yep17:39
nidOa reflash would sort it fine17:39
Venemofladnag: of course you can always uninstall this kind of software while the device is still able to boot (in the case when you realize you need more rootfs space)17:39
Venemobut really17:39
infobot[optification] a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence317:39
fladnagThankyou very much !17:40
fladnagOhman ilove this comunitything17:40
fladnagIts beautiful :)17:40
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alteregoI still think /usr/local rather than /opt17:42
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alteregoBut what is done, is done.17:43
Venemothere are 450 people here, and only 391 on #fedora... how is that? :D17:44
mtnbkrmaemo > fedora?   :)17:45
wallblomyup <317:45
Venemohehe :D17:48
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VenemoI have not counted the various other channels of Fedora though :P17:48
trxhow can i retrieve the current location using gps in my app?17:49
trxliblocation is fairly poor documented :/17:49
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andre__trx: ?17:52
Venemotrx: use Qt Mobility17:52
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trxoh, im sorry i only found
trxthank you17:54
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lcukGizmokid2005, setup a paypal account.18:32
Gizmokid2005lcuk: I think I'm going to. If word spreads and they get help...I can't convey how much it would be appreciated. The people that have already come forward locally that have been in similar positions is so great.18:33
lcuksure thing18:34
lcuki read the page and totally understand the situation (been there myself) and will happily give an amount to help.18:34
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Gizmokid2005thanks lcuk, it's appreciated more than you know.18:37
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pallonhi all18:51
pallonI m trying to compile tesseract 3.00 in the n900 but I get a weird error:18:51
pallonconfigure: error: no acceptable grep could be found in /bin:...etc18:52
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pallonany idea to solve it?18:53
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crashanddieinstall gnu tools or whatever the name is18:55
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dRbiGlol, 'grep' is built into ash so no exec for it, and the one you install from repos is ggrep18:56
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pallonso what can I do?19:03
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SpeedEvilSet up a chroot, with proper tools19:05
SpeedEvilInstalling random crap into / is bad19:05
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pallondamn it..19:05
pallonI was looking for a simple solution :(19:06
pallonah another thing,19:08
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pallondo you know why doesn't work the tab autocompletion tool when I try to do apt-get install (this both in the n900 both in the scratchbox)19:08
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Venemopallon: why don't you compile it in scratchbox?19:15
pallonVenemo: it's not a project created with automake so I don't know how to create a .deb19:16
luke-jrpallon: checkinstall make install19:17
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Venemopallon: what kind of project is it?19:18
luke-jrpallon: tab autocompletion generally only works if there's a file the shell knows about, it doesn't understand commands19:18
luke-jrpallon: simple solution: install Gentoo on N90019:18
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pallonVenemo: is tesseract 3.0019:18
Venemopallon: no idea then, sorry :(19:19
pallonluke-jr: yes but in my ubuntu it works..19:19
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luke-jrUbuntu probably does some customization to the BASH auto-complete19:19
luke-jrwhich is very flexible19:19
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luke-jrbut not so much ash's19:20
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Venemogoodbye guys, I'll be back :)19:21
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trumeeguys, how can i specify  own  custom-name when compiling kenel using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b"19:46
trumeei know this works make EXTRAVERSION=-blahblah bzImage19:47
trumeeSecon question is if i remove the /lib/module/current, will the device boot-up?19:48
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trumeeMohammadAG: ^^19:48
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RST38hwell. moo.20:13
alteregoI wonder if there's an app that can cycle ir codes to help you find out what config file you need.20:13
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: meh, /dopm didn't work :-P20:15
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alteregoAnyone know of such a utility?20:16
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: wikileaks is just DoS'd in USA aiui20:18
RST38hDoc: No shit.20:19
RST38hDoc: They moved to .SE address for now20:19
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: they ever been there20:20
DocScrutinizereveryDNS has 'locked' the page, in USA20:21
RST38hYea, for technical reasons not related to Wikileaks activity, I am sure? :)20:21
fralsthey are using .ch domain but still provided by everyDNS afaik20:22
fralsand a .se server which redirects you to a OVH hosting (.fr)20:22
fralsor something along those lines20:22
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ieatlintwtf... "everyDNS" owns the domain?20:29
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ieatlintwhatever, this will all be over soon... the brits are about to arrest the guy on the swedish warrant, and he'll carry out his immature threats to prevent his rape trial, and the remaining info will be released, and that'll be that20:31
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ieatlintnote: threats are less concerning when you insist you'll release all the info no matter what, but with it just an issue of timing (and the threat carries less weight when your desired method is to slowly release parts to string it out over months instead of a single dump)20:32
RST38hUK has said they know where the uy is but the international order for him has been filed improperly20:32
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RST38hAnyway, I think it is time for dead pool20:33
ieatlintyeah, but news outlets say sweden has amended the warrant in response to those concerns20:33
RST38hFunny how many american movies end up with heroic hackers / freedom fighters/ etc making-secret-government-conspiracy-information-public-on-the-internet and there is happy end20:36
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RST38hWhile in reality... well... :)20:36
trumeeguys, i have copied my custom kernel modules to /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom, and .flasher-3.5 -l -b -k /opt/scratchbox/users/sbox/home/user/kernel-2.6.28/arch/arm/boot/zImage20:38
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trumeeBut the device doesnt boot.20:38
ieatlinti'll stop myself on this subject now, i fear it'll turn into another pointless and very off-topic rant :)20:38
trumeeIs it because the '/lib/modules/current' symlink still points to the old kernel  /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap120:39
RST38hnot that there is a lot going on on-topic though20:39
trumeeanybody installed a CUSTOM kernel?20:40
trumeei dont want to brick my device without first testing :(20:41
RST38hAnd you test... by asking if anyone has bricked his device before you do?20:41
trumeeRST38h: i just want to know if i can delete /lib/modules/current.20:42
trumeeRST38h: will my custom kernel pick its module directory automatically with 'current' still pointing to stock module directory20:43
trumeeNobody is responding. Is it because of Friday, or nobody want to respond to an idiot.20:46
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: can you spare some time?20:48
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DocScrutinizertrumee: yes, current has to point to the matching modules20:49
* alterego makes a local mirror of lirc remotes repository.20:49
trumeeDocScrutinizer: thanks.20:49
trumeeDocScrutinizer: aiui?20:49
infobotaiui is, like, As I Understand It20:49
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: ah, ok. so guess deleting current wont help. Maemo kernel is not intelligent like modern day distros.20:50
DocScrutinizeralterego: I was about to suggest that, but then it was too obvious an idea, and too complex to write the proper suggestion20:50
DocScrutinizertrumee: I dunno20:51
alteregoYeah, I was just wondering if anyone had already done anything like it before. Seems like quite an obvious tool to have.20:51
DocScrutinizerask MohammadAG, he might have some experience with this by now20:51
DocScrutinizermodversion etc for kernels20:52
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-03 19:39:01] <trumee> Is it because the '/lib/modules/current' symlink still points to the old kernel  /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap120:52
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DocScrutinizerthe Q is: which prerequisites  must be met for a custom kernel and its modules to boot20:53
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MohammadAGkernel (zImage flashed) and modules20:54
MohammadAGedit /sbin/preinit (CAUTION!!!)20:54
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RST38hon a full dev system, also headers20:54
alteregoIs /lib/modules/current even used?20:54
MohammadAGmake it look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`20:55
alteregoI thought things normally use uname20:55
MohammadAGmake it look in "/lib/modules/`uname -r`"20:55
MohammadAGalterego, no, I think it uses current20:55
MohammadAGit's been some time since i checked the file20:55
* MohammadAG checks20:55
alteregoIsn't taking too long to download all the remote config files.20:55
trumeeMohammadAG: I have placed the modules in /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom,  '/lib/modules/current' still points to /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1, kernel flashed using flasher-3.5 -l -b -k zImage20:55
alteregoOn 's' already ..20:55
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trumeeMohammadAG: device doesnt boot after that.20:56
alteregoNo to write a script to cycle through all power buttons :D20:56
infobotalterego meant: Now to write a script to cycle through all power buttons :D20:56
MohammadAGMODULE_PATH=/lib/modules/`uname -r` #fixed by kernel-power20:56
alteregoAnd its' done :D20:57
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DocScrutinizeralterego: exactly what I suggested some days ago, fine :-D20:57
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MohammadAGtrumee, is the EXTRAVERSION=-custom?20:57
trumeeMohammadAG: yes20:57
trumeeMohammadAG: the 'current' symlink still points to stock modules.20:57
MohammadAGrm /lib/modules/current and recreate it?20:58
MohammadAGit's just a symlink, make a new one20:58
MohammadAGor edit /sbin/preinit as I stated above20:58
trumeeMohammadAG: where do i fix this,  MODULE_PATH=/lib/modules/`uname -r` ?20:58
trumeeMohammadAG: oops!. you were too quick,20:58
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: really? Cool, I've been thinking of doing it for months, just never got around to it.20:59
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trumeeMohammadAG: i want to test the kernel without flashing it, first.21:00
NooBmonk3yevening alls :)21:01
* NooBmonk3y waves at alterego , DocScrutinizer , MohammadAG , lcuk , frals etc etc21:01
DocScrutinizeralterego: you're aware it's not the irreco 'skin' def files you need, but the lirc controller files?21:01
MohammadAGtrumee, does it matter? you can flash back21:01
* MohammadAG waves back21:01
* DocScrutinizer hugs NooBmonk3y21:01
trumeeMohammadAG: ah! yes. with the preinit fixed, i can. cant i. stupid me.21:01
NooBmonk3yeveyone having a good friday?21:01
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MohammadAGno, I didn't murder any trouts21:03
DocScrutinizerI have to admit this being a terra incognita to me as well21:03
DocScrutinizerflashing a new kernel won't usually work without also flashing a matching new rootfs, no?21:03
DocScrutinizeror is kernel/preinit/whatever supposed to 'autonagically' find the matching modules?21:04
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, if youve got some time this evening can i double check packaging folders etc with you please? not sure i've got it right :P21:05
trumeecrappppppp. i have gone into a reboot loop!21:05
trumeeMohammadAG: The Nokia logo comes on and the devices reboot instantly21:05
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DocScrutinizertrumee: time for rescue_initrd then? :-D21:06
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: i guess i can flash the stock kernel back using ./flasher-3.5 -F stock_image  --flash-only=kernel -f -R ?21:08
MohammadAGtrumee, flash stock kernel, it's not that hard21:08
lcukhey ho NooBmonk3y and RevdKathy \o21:08
NooBmonk3y:) :)21:08
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DocScrutinizertrumee: not if you broke preinit21:09
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i replaced custom with 'uname-r'?  that should still work.21:09
DocScrutinizeruname-r never works, unless you create a symlink or alias to uname -r21:10
MohammadAGif you broke preinit, you're pretty much done for with the current kernels21:10
MohammadAGsymbian's music player is awesome21:11
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trumeeMohammadAG, DocScrutinizer: ok, flashing the stock kernel brought it back to life.21:14
alteregoDocScrutinizer: yes, that's what I'm downloading21:15
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: so 'uname -r' did work :)21:15
DocScrutinizersure, but uname-r is a typo that won't21:16
trumeeDocScrutinizer: ah. yup. thanks21:16
trumeeMohammadAG: seems something went wrong when i copied the modules over. What can i create a debian package in scratchbox with -custom as the version?21:17
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trumeeMohammadAG: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b builds the stock -omap1 version?21:18
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trumeewhat about this : MAKE="make EXTRAVERSION=-custom  -j 3" fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b21:20
RST38hKentucky Announces Creationism Theme Park21:21
MohammadAGedit debian/rules21:21
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trumeeMohammadAG: i dont see a omap1 string in debian/rules21:22
trumeeMohammadAG: ok, spotted #EXTRAVERSION := EXTRAVERSION-$(REVISION), should i uncomment this to EXTRAVERSION := EXTRAVERSION-custom?21:24
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: No idea why the device went into a reboot loop. The kernel modules were in /home/user/kernel, and i did for FILE in $(find . -name '*.ko'); do cp -rf $FILE /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom/ ; done21:26
MohammadAGchange it to EXTRAVERSION := EXTRAVERSION=-custom21:26
MohammadAGthey forgot the =21:26
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trumeeMohammadAG: thanks21:27
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trumeeMohammadAG: so after editing debian rules, i simply do 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b' ?21:29
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: the modules were in their own directories (net, fs, arch blah blah), so i used find to copy them over to a single directory21:30
MohammadAGor fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -:P21:30
DocScrutinizeryou all make my head hurt21:31
trumeeMohammadAG: oh no. It started with this '/scratchbox/tools/bin/make  EXTRAVERSION=-custom rx51_defconfig'. and overwrote my .config file.21:32
trumeeMohammadAG: do i have to replace DEFCONFIG := rx51_defconfig as well?21:33
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MohammadAGno, you don't21:33
trumeeMohammadAG: Then how do i stop it overwriting my .config file?21:34
MohammadAGhere's how I do it with hostmode21:34
MohammadAGI save the .config in debian/ then overwrite it right after that step21:35
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trumeeMohammadAG: so i can replace your debian/rules with your pastebin file, copy my .config to debian/ and run the dbuild-package?21:38
MohammadAGyes, I doubt you want it to be called kernel-hostmode though!21:38
trumeeMohammadAG: yes, ofcourse :)21:38
MohammadAGjust replace the configure-stamp: source-stamp section21:38
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, ping21:39
MohammadAGX-Fade, you too, ping :P21:39
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MohammadAGstill need help with packaging?21:39
NooBmonk3yJust trying packing one more time, builds fine, just no app seeming to get installed :P21:40
NooBmonk3ywill give it one more go :)21:40
MohammadAGPaste the debian/rules file21:40
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MohammadAGk :)21:40
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MohammadAGeveryone who needs to contact me knows my email21:40
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GAN900MohammadAG, do it.21:44
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MohammadAGGAN900, done :P21:46
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alteregoThis would be so much easier if there was a zip file ^.^21:47
alteregoHrm, so what I have to do, is create a symlink from nth config file to /etc/lirc/lircd.conf21:48
alteregoFire a power button even, then do the same for the rest.21:49
alteregoOh, and I need to start/stop lircd :/21:49
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alteregoHrm, this could take some time ..21:50
alteregoUnless ..21:50
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trumeeMohammadAG: in debian/rules, which one should i use FLASHER_PACKAGE := kernel-flasher or FLASHER_PACKAGE := kernel-custom-flasher ?21:52
MohammadAG$(PACKAGE)-flasher should work21:53
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MohammadAGkernel-custom-flasher I suppose, depends on your $PACKAGE21:53
trumeeMohammadAG: i see.21:53
alteregoOh, there is a .tar.bz2 of all the remotes.21:55
alteregoSilly me ..21:55
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alteregoThough, I wonder how lircd would cope with a single config file with all remotes in ^.^21:58
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  is it snowing down there yet? ;)21:59
MohammadAGno, three cities are on fire though22:00
NooBmonk3yoh... erm, not good!22:00
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NooBmonk3yjust had a police car crash outside my window, well, spin anyway, was quite entertaining22:01
MohammadAGindeed, it's been on for +24h22:01
NooBmonk3yooo ok healthcheck is now showing as 400kb, not 8kb, might be a bit better lol22:01
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NooBmonk3yyay ok almost there!!!22:02
NooBmonk3yicon in the main menu22:02
NooBmonk3ybut just highlights when i tap it ;)22:02
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  you fixed that issue with maecount :p remember the fix?22:03
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MohammadAGI already said that, twice :P22:03
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MohammadAGcheck the .desktop file, chances are it's installed to /usr/bin/healthcheck/healthcheck22:04
MohammadAGwhich isn't in $PATH22:04
MohammadAGso you need to include the full path in Exec=22:04
NooBmonk3yits installed to opt/healthcheck22:04
NooBmonk3yahh ok22:04
MohammadAGkinky, then do the same, include the full path22:04
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NooBmonk3yassuming that is wrong lol22:06
NooBmonk3yshould it just be Exec=/opt/healthcheck22:06
MohammadAGI hate israel's price logics22:06
MohammadAGno, but it's case sensitive22:07
MohammadAGI can haz deb file?22:07
NooBmonk3yit is all lower case22:07
MohammadAGeven if it's broken, wanna check something22:07
NooBmonk3ylol okies22:07
MohammadAGoh right22:07
MohammadAGchmod +x it22:07
MohammadAGchmod +x /opt/healthcheck/healthcheck22:07
MohammadAGthen use the menu icon, should work22:07
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MohammadAGnot sure who's more desperate, the guy who started the sex app thread, or the people following it22:11
NooBmonk3ythe deb doesnt match where i thought it was going22:12
NooBmonk3yand has the wrong version number22:12
MohammadAGcan I just have it? :P22:12
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: hahaha22:12
NooBmonk3y  target.path = /opt/usr/bin22:13
NooBmonk3ythats the problem22:13
NooBmonk3ymoh, dcc'ing it22:13
MohammadAGI noticed, you minimized my game22:13
NooBmonk3yall on purpose lol22:14
MohammadAG* DCC RECV connect attempt to NooBmonk3y failed (err=Connection timed out).22:14
DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: no, the problem is your missing link from /usr/bin/hc to /opt/hc/hc22:14
NooBmonk3yDocScrutinizer, thank you i think, just dont quite understand what you said :)22:15
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DocScrutinizerI say, unless you're very confused and your app doing absolutely nonstandard things, you usually want the executable itself or a link pointing to it, somewhere in $PATH22:17
NooBmonk3ywell the exec is in /opt22:17
DocScrutinizerN.B. without editing PATH env22:17
NooBmonk3yand i can run it from terminal22:17
DocScrutinizerno you can't22:17
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NooBmonk3ylol... erm, not sure how to respond to that :|22:17
NooBmonk3yi cd /opt and then ./healthcheck22:18
MohammadAGyou should've spotted this, easily!!!22:18
MohammadAGand it's in /opt/usr/bin/healthcheck22:18
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, a bottle of wine and a bad day says no :P22:18
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  i cant see it in there on the device22:18
DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: that's not how terminal is supposed to work. Read my above explanation, maybe then you get an idea what to answer22:19
NooBmonk3yDocScrutinizer,  no offence, you may consider me a dumbass, but i'm not lying!22:19
MohammadAGit should be Exec=/opt/usr/bin/healthcheck22:19
NooBmonk3ythats what i did22:19
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: definitely NOT22:19
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  but its not gone there on my device :|22:19
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MohammadAGthe deb says otherwise22:19
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, err, huh?22:19
NooBmonk3yhmmm that deb confused me22:19
NooBmonk3yit doesnt seem to be what the pro etc says22:20
NooBmonk3yhold on22:20
NooBmonk3ylet me git it22:20
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, many maemo apps are coded with /opt in mind22:20
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: since when is EXEC= including the fqn, while the executable itself may live in random locations outside $PATH?22:20
NooBmonk3ymeh git terminated oh well22:20
NooBmonk3yi'm amazed how my confusion has once again upset DocScrutinizer :P22:21
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, Exec= can be anything outside of $PATH, as long as the /full/path/to/it exists22:22
MohammadAGsure, it's not the Debian way, but neither is optification22:22
DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: do a echo $PATH in terminal, make sure your excutable or a link to your executable is in any of those directories22:22
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, he doesn't have to22:22
lcukNooBmonk3y, drop a script in /usr/bin/healthcheck that cds into your correct directory and then runs hc itself22:22
NooBmonk3ywill double check them22:22
lcukproblem solved22:22
MohammadAGlcuk, why?22:22
DocScrutinizerwhere "any" doesn't mean "arbitrary" - there's rather clear rules what has to go where22:22
MohammadAGseriously, why include ANOTHER file?22:23
NooBmonk3ylol lcuk ;)22:23
lcukMohammadAG, cos thats simplest if he wants to keep dev stuff in one place22:23
NooBmonk3yDocScrutinizer,  its clear if you know :p22:23
NooBmonk3yfor someone with no linux knowledge, and little coding experience, that knowledge doesnt just appear22:23
DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: your executable has to live either in /usr/bin or in /usr/sbin, depending on whether it needs root or not22:23
lcukeven more evily, putting binaries in / itself actually causes smoke to erupt from DocScrutinizer's head o_O22:24
NooBmonk3yHealthcheck is in neither of these folders/usr/bin:/bin22:24
* lcuk joking22:24
DocScrutinizerso do a ln -s /opt/healthcheck/healthcheck /usr/bin/healthcheck, for example22:24
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DocScrutinizeror do what lcuk suggested22:27
trumeeMohammadAG: it failed with find: invalid predicate `-delete', make: *** [install-headers] Error 122:27
* NooBmonk3y looks at lcuk and frowns 22:28
DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: let me put it this way: if EXEC=healthcheck doesn't work, then not the EXEC= is wrong, but your package is misconfigured22:29
NooBmonk3yDocScrutinizer, finally you understand ;)22:29
NooBmonk3yall i was really asking was......... where is the actual part that says where it installs ;) - so i can then match that to the desktop file......22:29
NooBmonk3yand whilst asking, where is the best place for it to go, /opt  /usr/bin etc etc22:29
NooBmonk3ytherefore i learn about the structuring, fix it, and understand a bit more :)22:30
DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: check that link in22:30
infoboti heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence322:30
NooBmonk3yahaaa ty22:30
DocScrutinizerboth actually, but especially the second22:30
NooBmonk3yoh ok /opt woulda done22:31
DocScrutinizerit will give you an idea about where files live22:31
DocScrutinizerthe FHS is to clean up issues like yours22:32
trumeeMohammadAG: hmm, your debian/rules is missing the find -delete in #kbuild fixes22:32
trumeeMohammadAG: ok, i have delete the find -delete line from my rules. is there any way to resume the package creation, or do i have compile again?22:33
DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: there's a well known inherent meaning of every single location in File Hierarchy, and you are better off learning about them and adhere to these guidelines22:33
MohammadAGtrumee, use -nc22:34
MohammadAGdpkg-buildpackage -b -nc22:34
MohammadAGno clean22:34
lcukPMSL @ the sex thread on tmo22:34
lcukbest quote: "If by some stray chance a woman actually agrees to a union at the physical level, the N900 can send a message to a thread on here declaring that the member has got laid. "22:34
trumeeMohammadAG: thanks22:34
DocScrutinizera FryDay thread actually22:35
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lcukvery muchly so DocScrutinizer22:35
trumeeMohammadAG: and now this, scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 2: /home/sbox/kernel-2.6.28/debian/ No such file or directory22:36
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MohammadAGtrumee, rename the .in file debian/ dir22:36
MohammadAGit's probably kernel-flasher.postinst.in22:36
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trumeeMohammadAG: i ended up with kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb rather than kernel-custom_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb22:40
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trumeeMohammadAG: The beginning of my debian/rules was like this
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trumeeMohammadAG: my packages are called, kernel-debug_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb, kernel-flasher, kernel-headers, kernel-modules-debug, kernel-modules-extra, and so on. But i do get a kernel-source_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_all.deb22:42
trumeeany idea why the packages are not being named properly?22:43
MohammadAGtrumee, debian/control22:43
MohammadAGyou need to change the names there too22:43
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trumeeMohammadAG: i guess linux-kernel-headers remain as it is?22:47
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alteregoThink I've got it :)22:49
alteregoNow to implement a binary search pattern.22:49
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trumeeMohammadAG: i get control errors now.
MohammadAGdelete debian/files22:51
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alteregoRight, if I come back and my TV is off, I know that this may have worked :D22:55
trumeeMohammadAG: ok, finally it finished successfully. So now, i should install the following on the device, "kernel-custom   kernel-custom-flasher   kernel-custom-headers  kernel-custom-modules  kernel-custom-modules-extra" ?22:55
alteregoEither that or a power cut.22:55
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MohammadAGkernel-custom kernel-custom-modules kernel-custom-flasher should be enough22:56
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trumeeMohammadAG: errors on install,
MohammadAGcomment it out23:01
alteregoHeh, my TV magically turned off :D23:01
MohammadAGline 144 or something23:02
alteregoNow to work out which one it was ^.^23:02
MohammadAGalterego, yay, script's working?23:02
alteregoIt would seem so.23:02
trumeeMohammadAG: sorry dont understand/23:02
DocScrutinizeralterego: :-D23:02
trumeeMohammadAG: should i force the installation?23:02
MohammadAGtrumee, comment this out ln -sf $(KVER) $(CURDIR)/debian/$(MODULES_PACKAGE)/lib/modules/current in debian/rules23:03
MohammadAGi.e add a #23:03
MohammadAGand rebuild packages23:03
DocScrutinizeralterego: suggestion: use ALS and stop (not exit!) your script loop, when light from TV screen vanishes23:03
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: I don't understand what you mean.23:03
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I'm just sending 'POWER' at the moment.23:04
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-03 22:02:25] <alterego> Now to work out which one it was ^.^23:04
* MohammadAG would suggest an n=n+1 + a sleep 323:05
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alteregoMohammadAG: that would take way too long.23:05
alteregoI'm going to use a binary search pattern23:05
MohammadAGsleep 0.5 then23:05
DocScrutinizerif ALS<threshold; then echo "low brightness after sending stop using $controlfile. Now pausing until brightness comes back, or user hits ^C"23:05
MohammadAGjust make sure your fingers are fast23:05
MohammadAGALS = automatic light sensor I guess?23:05
alteregoSo, you have a set of 100; you device the set into half, you fire the first half, then ask "Anything happen?", if they say yes, you know it's in that half.23:06
alteregoThen you keep doing that until you're left with one.23:06
trumeeMohammadAG: what about this error, dpkg: error processing kernel-custom_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/boot/zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco', which is also in package kernel23:06
MohammadAGalterego, works for me :D23:06
MohammadAGthe idea that is :P23:06
DocScrutinizeralterego: use my AmbientLightSensor approach!  make sure you got a program on TV that's not all night scenes23:07
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DocScrutinizeralterego: alternatively use mic input to detect silence23:08
DocScrutinizerswitch to MTV then, before starting the scan23:08
alteregoDocScrutinizer: yeah, that's not a bad idea actually.23:08
DocScrutinizerideally you'd put the ALS directly in front of the TV's power-on indicator LED23:09
alteregoThen you'd lose transmitter fov23:10
trumeeMohammadAG: do i have force the zImage installation?23:10
MohammadAGoverwrite it23:10
DocScrutinizeralas that will not pan out regarding direction of CIR emission23:10
alteregoI'm going to give the light sensor a go ;)23:10
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alteregoCool page:
DocScrutinizershould work fine, if you just pause the script, maybe test for another 20s for light to come back (filter dark scene in TV movie), then print out the msg and SIGSTOP the script, so you (user) can SIGCONT it on erratic detect events23:12
DocScrutinizerhmm, haven't noticed mickey did this...23:13
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trumeeCrap. Reboot loop again.23:16
trumeeMohammadAG: i device doesnt like my NAT enabling options.23:17
trumeeMohammadAG: s/i/guess23:17
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DocScrutinizeralterego: hmm, a short summary of things easily to be found on wiki.maemo.org23:19
DocScrutinizertrumee: so maybe start with a 'custom' kernel that actually has no custom tweaks at all?23:21
trumeeDocScrutinizer: thats a good idea, going to try this out.23:21
DocScrutinizermake sure your basic procedure works23:21
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: How can i get the .config file from kernel-power, maybe i can compare what modules it has enabled for NAT support.23:23
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MohammadAGand base it off kernel-power, at least you have all debian/ stuff tweaked already23:24
NooBmonk3yRevdKathy, healthcheck - new version is in extras devel :)23:25
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NooBmonk3yJust a demo, but tis shiny and new!23:25
RevdKathyI just saw on twitter. You want feedback?23:25
RevdKathyNooBmonk3y, will it kill my n900?23:25
RevdKathyCos if not, I'll d/l it23:25
NooBmonk3ydefintiley! :) - tis extras devel,  but i cant see anything that will kill your n90023:25
trumeeMohammadAG: yes, thats a good idea. Is there any way i can get their files?23:26
RevdKathyHmmm can't actually find my n900. Might be sitting on it23:26
NooBmonk3ythe bears stolen it!23:26
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trumeehmm. apt-get source kernel-power will probably do the trick.23:28
fladnagPowerkernel ?23:29
DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: how's that pronounced?23:30
fladnagDoyouknow how to "change" orsomething likethat "back" to "mybeloved" overclockable powerkernel (from theone from h-e-n) ;)23:30
MohammadAGtrumee, when working with kernel-power, edit the rx51_powerconfig or whatever in debian/23:30
NooBmonk3yDocScrutinizer,  good question :P23:30
NooBmonk3y18th century copper styleeeee23:31
MohammadAGfladnag, type uname -r and post output23:31
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RevdKathyNooBmonk3y, I think the bears ran off with it to call their friends an Alaska and complain about the weather23:31
NooBmonk3yyeah tis darn cold!23:31
NooBmonk3ydid you see my twit-pics today? :)23:31
DocScrutinizerfladnag: h-e-n recommends powerkernel since ~1 month now23:31
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DocScrutinizerfladnag: there's no such thing like a h-e-n kernel anymore23:32
RevdKathyNooBmonk3y, loved the shots of the icicles23:32
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'm guessing he's on kernel-power, and he doesn't know it23:32
fladnagIs ther a way to haveboth imean hen with overclock possibility23:32
NooBmonk3yhehe thats outside our HQ, happens every year due to a leaking gutter :P23:32
MohammadAGso, uname -r output23:33
MohammadAGfladnag, yes, that's @ you23:33
trumeeMohammadAG:  apt-get source kernel-power says E: Unable to find a source package for kernel-power23:33
MohammadAGadd extras-devel to your sources.list file23:33
MohammadAGdeb-src of course23:33
trumeeMohammadAG: i do have extras enabled in scratchbox. and apt-cache search kernel-power does show "kernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel"23:33
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trumeeMohammadAG: oops! ok23:34
MohammadAGcopy the line again, but with deb-src instead of deb as the first word23:34
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RevdKathyNooBmonk3y, wow! it's very different!23:38
NooBmonk3yvery! :)23:38
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fladnagI postet something m. Seemed wanted to know tobe able to tellme what icould do about my inability to overclock with hen installed ..!23:39
fladnag:)  can someone help me withthat?23:40
DocScrutinizersorry, can't parse23:40
* DocScrutinizer throws a bucket of <space> at fladnag23:40
fladnagJeahjeah. ..23:41
alteregoCool, well, I've found the power button :D23:42
DocScrutinizeralso don't ask me about OC, you wouldn't like me for the answer you get23:42
NooBmonk3yfladnag, DocScrutinizer is like the anti-overclock-christ......23:42
alteregoAnd down23:42
infobotwell, omap-oc is  read that!23:42
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alteregoMapped to the wrong f*ing stuff though :D23:43
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alteregoLets see if I can come up with a decent config :)23:45
NooBmonk3yso RevdKathy i'm hoping your little n900 is still alive, and survived the healthcheck experience? :023:45
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RevdKathyYes, thanks. Mo is still fine. :)23:45
NooBmonk3yallthough, still alot to add to it :)23:46
fladnagIs it possible ?23:46
DocScrutinizerI'd be more concerned about it surviving the siting on it23:46
NooBmonk3yi'm proud of the test screens though, they took aaaaaaaaages :P23:46
fladnagOverclocking with hen23:46
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RevdKathyDocScrutinizer, turned out it was in my glasses case. Not sat on at all23:47
DocScrutinizeryou're free to fry your CPU for no good reason, while h-e-n stil working until you succeed in it23:47
fladnagAnd it is harmles like bevore ? (Worst case : restart)23:47
DocScrutinizerwhat? OC?23:47
fladnag... My experience. ..23:47
DocScrutinizer~debin fladnag23:48
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DocScrutinizer~debian fladnag23:48
* infobot tells fladnag to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!23:48
keriojes? wtf23:48
DocScrutinizer~tell fladnag about omap-oc23:48
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DocScrutinizerI warned him, didn't I?23:49
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MohammadAGOC never was harmless23:49
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DocScrutinizerMEH, cya23:49
GAN900RevdKathy, big glasses case.23:49
MohammadAGignore anything matan said23:50
RevdKathyGAN900 Yeah, it was wide opne, though23:50
trumeeDocScrutinizer: you were write, even without any tweaks the device goes into a reboot loop23:52
trumeeDocScrutinizer: s/write/right23:52
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i installed Backupmenu2 on the device today, could that be an issue?23:52
trumeeMohammadAG: seems i have to first get atleast the stock kernel compiled as -custom to work before i start modifying it.23:54
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kerioMohammadAG: somehow i don't think n900s can feel pain23:55
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alteregoCool, I've found a function that isn't even on my remote :D23:59
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, nice work23:59
NooBmonk3yyay just seen it? :)23:59
NooBmonk3ystill only a preview, but wow, and thank you so much!23:59

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