IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-12-04

alteregoWow, found anothing new function, this one looks like some kind of system menu.00:00
NooBmonk3ylol alterego00:00
trumeeMohammadAG, any clue why even the stock .config wont boot up?00:02
alteregoThis is fun :D00:02
fladnagHa i checkt for the first time since a week orso for cpufrequi-mhz-config and the frequenzys higherthan 600 ARE BACK :D00:02
* NooBmonk3y is exhausted00:03
fladnagWithout doing anything but a restart jesterday ..:)00:04
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fladnagDo you know if its dangerous to use hdd,s usbsticks while im on 900mhz oc ?00:05
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fladnagWhat should i do00:09
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* javispedro lols00:10
RevdKathyGoodnight all00:10
javispedromy n900 refuses to shutdown using systemui because "it is connected to a host computer and in use"00:10
NooBmonk3ynight RevdKathy00:10
alteregoThis is so much better than my factory remote00:10
NooBmonk3y:) :)00:10
javispedroof course, not even the cable is plugged in =)00:10
javispedrognite RevdKathy !00:10
alteregoI'm gonna have to wrap this in a nice UI00:10
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fladnagTo prevent something bad tomy n900baby00:12
fladnag??? With hen & oc ?????00:13
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alteregoThis is so much fun :D00:15
alteregoI never thought I'd see the IR working, but this is really cool.00:18
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nox-did you `record' another remote or did you find an already ready config?00:20
nox-(i know n900 cant record itself...)00:20
alteregoI wrote a script that cycles through all the ir configurations (which I downloaded from the lirc site)00:20
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nox-oh haha00:21
alteregoIt found a remote that shared the same POWER function00:21
alteregoSo now I'm remapping that configuration file for my TV00:21
* javispedro rembers one of those off-the-shelf universal remotes00:21
alteregoDuring the process I've found several menus that my TV remote can't do.00:21
alteregoThere's a few shortcuts to sub menus as well, that's not on the factory remote.00:21
nox-nice :)00:22
alteregoThere's something odd with '2' though00:22
alteregoIt selects channel 1 normally, but when sent as "1 2" it selects channel 12 perfectly :/00:23
fladnagOk  but thankyou anyway00:24
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NooBmonk3yThis chief exec thing... ie, her following me on twitter is getting kinda scary!00:27
NooBmonk3yher last tweet, in reply to me saying almost time for xmas shopping was ........ @gregjroberts Go to @OxfamGB and buy them all a goat ;-)00:27
javispedroah, the world of twitter.00:27
NooBmonk3ylol tis kinda funny00:27
NooBmonk3yshe's one of the few people i know personally on twitter and its kinda funny00:28
saltsa_how do I find out from python script in which network phone is connected (3g, 3,5g, 2g)?00:28
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NooBmonk3ysaltsa_, check the current healthcheck code in extras i think it says00:28
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NooBmonk3yactually very sure it does00:29
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NooBmonk3yjust displays hsdpa etc.... so you may need to translate00:29
NooBmonk3y(dont use the devel code, as it's not python lol)00:29
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trumeei dont seem to have any modules.xx files  (modules.symbols, modules.dep,modules.ccwmap etc) in my /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom. Could that be the reason why it is failing?00:41
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trumeejavispedro: any idea?00:46
javispedrodepmod -a generates modules.dep00:48
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trumeejavispedro: what about other modules.xx files in /lib/modules, are they required?00:49
NooBmonk3ynight alls :)00:49
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trumeejavispedro: i tried to build a custom kernal WITHOUT any changes to the .config of the stock kernel. But this custom kernel causes a reboot loop to happen.00:50
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trumeeThe difference in the module directory of the -custom kernel and stock kernel are the missing modules.xx files.00:51
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javispedrono idea about the other files.00:58
mikki-kunhi there, can somebody tell me what u-boot is?00:58
mikki-kuni've now seen it a couple of times but i can't kind of get what it is used for... is it anoother boot manager?00:59
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trumeejavispedro: depmod -a will generate dependencies only for the running kernel. What about the kernel which is not running.01:06
javispedroread man page01:06
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* ShadowJK now has a 48.84Wh external battery :>01:12
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ShadowJKweighs about twice what N900 weighs01:15
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trumeejavispedro, DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG: yay! it works. Had to remove backupmenu and do a depmod -a 2.6.28-custom. and now it boots fine. Thank you01:18
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ShadowJKactually the cables weigh about as much as n90001:21
mikki-kunShadowJK: where did you get yours from?! Ö.ö01:21
* ShadowJK should probably not have used 2.5mm^2...01:22
ShadowJKI just built it out of rc hobby parts :-)01:22
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javispedronext step: build your own nuclear reactor :)01:24
ShadowJKI've been googling a bit about thermelectric power generation01:25
mikki-kunhow about a portable hydrogen cell? we are in desperate need of that01:26
ShadowJKThe ready kits seem to cost alot01:26
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javispedrohybrid power!01:26
ShadowJKbut i guess those kits are built out of something else than the cheap elements you find on ebay :/01:26
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GAN900Isn't it terrible how much acceptable quality costs?01:28
mikki-kunGAN900: depending on how long it lives.... no01:29
javispedroacceptable quality costs???01:31
* javispedro keeps banging at the lenovo01:31
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alteregoNow, I wonder if I can get the N900 to work as a replacement for my laptop's IR remote.01:35
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javispedroI'd use lirc on the desktop to get codes01:36
javispedro(with a proper receiver ofc)01:38
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: you actually MUST use 2.5mm^2 minimum, to keep parasitary resistance low02:02
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ShadowJKfor 1m, 11.1V and maybe 500mA? :P02:05
DocScrutinizer(IR RX) or use a 3.5mm 4pin plug, and solder a 2k from ring3 to tip(ring1), and a phototransistor or photodiode from rting1 to ring4(GND)02:05
DocScrutinizer11.1V?? O.o 500mA??02:05
DocScrutinizerI thought you were talking about a true battery replacement, which mustn't have >100mR series parasitary02:06
DocScrutinizerpreferably less02:07
DocScrutinizerand usually is like 4V @ 5A bursts02:07
DocScrutinizerour battery dummies at OM had a cable consisting of 40 1.5mm^2 braided for low inductive parasitary02:09
DocScrutinizermaybe 30, I never really counted them, but it was quite impressive02:10
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ShadowJKNo I have a 11.1V 4400mAh battery pack and some stuff to produce 5.35V 3A :-)02:14
ShadowJKand a usb port with d+/d- shorted :D02:14
DocScrutinizeraaah, so I suppose you connect this to the USB then02:14
chxis that commercailly available?02:14
DocScrutinizerchx: yes, Reisenweber Special Supply, built to order02:15
ShadowJKI don't have a good charger for it02:16
ShadowJKmy 11.1V LiPo balance charger only outputs 800mA :P02:16
trumeeanybody knows what Joikuspot Bouncer in Titans kernel does?02:16
DocScrutinizeryou should charge each cell separately02:16
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, the charge plug has 4 wires and the charger takes 4 wires. Guess what it does02:17
DocScrutinizercould use a SPSM with 3 * 5V output 100W, plus 3 dedicated Li charger chips02:17
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ShadowJKthat's why it's called a "balance charger"02:18
DocScrutinizertrumee: *burp* what?02:18
ShadowJKIt's probably Joikuspot's opensource kernel module rebuilt for titan's kernel?02:19
trumeewas wondering if it will be possible to run Joikuspot on my custom kernel (stock +NAT support).02:20
DocScrutinizermeh, yoghurt sport02:20
DocScrutinizera solution invented for systems unaware of proper WLAN management, backported to a system that has native such management02:21
DocScrutinizerit's like towing away a ferrari as you forgot it has a starter button02:23
DocScrutinizer"See! I made it *roll*!"02:23
trumeeDocScrutinizer: since i paid for the app. might as well use it :)02:25
DocScrutinizeryeah, go use your rope, when you paid for it. Wait, didn't you pay for your Ferrari as well?02:26
nox-whats this Joikuspot do, the same as mobilehotspot?02:27
DocScrutinizerI wish I could say "good, at least it doesn't wear out the Ferrari engine that way" but...02:27
DocScrutinizertrumee: maybe you can sell it on ebay? :-P02:28
DocScrutinizernox-: basically yes, at least the purpose is the same02:28
nox-i c02:29
nox-well mobilehotspot is in the repos02:29
trumeeDocScrutinizer: I dont even have the deb file for it. Installed it directly from joikuspot website.02:29
nox-needs kernel-power tho afaik02:29
trumeenox-: never installed mobilehotspot.02:29
DocScrutinizersure. Otherwise it might delete your beloved yoghurt02:30
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DocScrutinizerand as you not even got a file to reinstall it... X-P02:30
trumeenox-: dislike kernel-power, puslse-audio eats too much cpu on it.02:30
nox-well i guess you could make a custom kernel with just the wifi ap mode bits... (has anyone?)02:31
DocScrutinizerthat's probably no generic pk problem, but related to some odd patch to PA itself02:31
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DocScrutinizerthat comes with pk02:31
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DocScrutinizerI can't see how PA cpu load is related to kernel02:33
DocScrutinizerI suspect that's the "no more stuttering" patch02:33
DocScrutinizerwould fit02:33
nox-what patch is that?02:33
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i dont know, the whole reason i made my own kernel today was because of that issue02:33
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: stock kernel + NAT is what i wanted. Kernel-power did fit the bill, but pathetic cpu usage put me off.02:34
DocScrutinizernox-: ask MohammadAG - he did several tests on that patch, and afaik he was first to do02:34
trumeeDocScrutinizer: and now with my own kernel, i dont have this problem any more.02:34
chxwhile there are many disadvantages to joikuspot tying it to IMSI is the stupidest thing. ever.02:34
DocScrutinizergreat, so you could check which patch introduces this problem for your own kernel - would be a rather appreciated analysis02:35
DocScrutinizeryou mean IMEI?02:36
DocScrutinizertying anything to IMSI *really* would be a mega-stupid thing02:37
chxDocScrutinizer: IMSI. Not IMEI.02:38
DocScrutinizeras IMSI changes on each registration at carrier network02:38
trumeeDocScrutinizer: The past few hours have been very exhausting getting the kernel to work. Dont have the energy to break my kerne again.02:38
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BugBlue v.s.
DocScrutinizererr, nope02:38
DocScrutinizeranyway it changes with SIM swap02:38
BugBlueISMI is tied to the SIM, IMEI is tied to the hardware02:39
trumeeDocScrutinizer: The kernel compilation is very slow using, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b.  is it possible to use multiple core during the compile?02:39
chxthey tied it to SIM02:39
BugBlueif you get a replacement sim you het a new IMSI02:39
BugBluehashtag: #epicfail02:39
DocScrutinizerwhat a crop of fools02:39
DocScrutinizertrumee: sure it is. but then otoh, changing e.g. PA related config options will not rebuild the kernel AIUI, just a very low number of modules02:40
chxit is possible that only the trial was02:41
chxthere is a lot of confusion out there02:41
trumeeDocScrutinizer: can i do      Make="make -j3"  fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b to speed-up compilation?02:42
chx says Switching SIM cards is supported automatically so no license transfer needed there.02:42
DocScrutinizeryoghurt sport *IS* confusion, the whole operation principle is based on confusion02:42
DocScrutinizertrumee: nfc. looks good to me if it works like that02:42
DocScrutinizeranyway yoghurt sport is known to literally cok your device medium to welldone02:44
chxheh it baked my E51 too02:45
chxnot much choice ther.e02:45
DocScrutinizerthere's a reported batery fatality on yoghurt + OC02:45
DocScrutinizercaused by overheating the cell02:46
chxoh nice!02:46
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DocScrutinizerto me that's a clear indication those yoghurt devels had no bloody F'ng clue about correct programming02:47
nox-and that while mobilehotspot already exists...02:48
DocScrutinizerfirst commandment, you MUST NOT bussy wait02:48
trumeenox-: mobilehotspot doesnt heat up the device?02:48
DocScrutinizerI think it does as well, maybe a bit less02:48
nox-at least id doubt it would busywait02:48
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chxyeah, i guess just driving the wifi radio at top power for a prolonged time will cook the device02:56
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trumeeDocScrutinizer, not entirely obvious which patch is related to PA in titans kernel02:59
DocScrutinizertrumee: :nod: A big problem03:00
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javispedrocapacitive sucks.03:00
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DocScrutinizerthe great alternative to a 16 key kbd phone03:02
trumeeah! my everyday router reboot kicked in.03:02
DocScrutinizernot though for doing serious work03:02
trumeeneed to reboot router everyday so that sip doesnt become choppy03:02
javispedroit is a great problem, as probably _ALL_ meego handsets are going to be capacitive...03:02
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DocScrutinizerhehe. No Probelm here, as DSL disconnects anyway every 24h. I could as well reboot the router, it wouldn't do any additional harm. NAT sessions are lost during DSL down03:03
trumeeMy cable connection is remarkably good.03:04
DocScrutinizerit's a joke. Originally this was invented to make IP change so you can't run proper server services via DSL. I got a fixed IP now, and still the 24h cut kicks in03:05
nox-eh?  thats... sick03:05
trumeeI think i had to adjust the udp timeout in my ddwrt based router to make sip happy.03:05
nox-24h disconnect with a static ip i mean...03:05
DocScrutinizert-kom, suckers03:06
nox-whats the point????03:06
nox-all that does is making their static ip offering worthless03:06
DocScrutinizertheir DSLAMs are configured to drop a connection after 24h. Even while my DHCP is by a separate provider now that offers fixed IP03:07
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DocScrutinizerI pay 10 bucks / month to manitu, just for the fixed IP03:08
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ShadowJKmobilehotspot/joikuspot is pretty bad for energy use. wifi runs at a constant 250mA, and then the 3g to actually move bytes using 300-700mA...03:08
DocScrutinizerplus the usual fee for t-kom DSL03:08
ShadowJKand then joiku used to use 100% CPU to render its UI :)03:08
ShadowJKthe pretty speed graph that is03:09
DocScrutinizerdidn't I say "clueless idiots"03:09
ShadowJKI'm pretty sure they thought "Hmm.. so we made it work.. but what are we going to do about all this spare CPU and the big 800x480 display?"03:09
DocScrutinizerI hope they used it to render mandelbrot03:10
DocScrutinizeras a wallpaper for their GUI03:10
ShadowJKIt's becoming a trend here for mobile ISPs to have massive "connectivity suites"03:10
ShadowJKCompletely themed UI, sliding "Latest news" widgets attached to the main connectivity window, which is a big green button (like 512x512 px) to press to connect/disconnect03:11
* DocScrutinizer feels like being exposed to a photo of george doublewho b. unadvertedly03:12
DocScrutinizerI.E. fighting the throw up03:12
chxoooh those are great03:13
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trumeeDocScrutinizer, what is the advantage of fixed ip?03:17
nox-connections stay up03:19
nox-or would...03:19
trumeedydns has been serving me for a few years now03:19
DocScrutinizerin theory it would allow me to have uninterupted connection to e.g. IRC. Alas as my NAT sessions go down on disconnect, the new port is not the old port so I have to re-register :-/03:19
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javispedroyou're not in control of the NAT?03:20
DocScrutinizeresp with this braindead ZyXEL router/NAT even for assigned ports the outbound connection is from origin port != dedicated port03:21
nox-right if you ran that in bridge mode and have a `real' box do the nat...03:22
nox-then your links may stay up03:23
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I have port forward e.g public:5060->LAPTOP:5060. Still my SIP client on laptop, when opening localhost:5060->sipprovider:5060, gets a NAT outbound port of xy != 506003:23
javispedro<zyxel-guy-who-designed-it>why you'd want?03:23
javispedro*want that03:23
* nox- oldschool, using freebsd for routing/nat...03:24
* javispedro is also using a zyxel device natting to a fixed ip03:24
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: the zyxel "OS" isn't really bad. But buggy. And incredibly hard to configure. And basically undocumented03:26
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DocScrutinizerand the WLAN, on using WPA, reboots the whole device every ~15min03:27
javispedrocome to think of it03:28
javispedroI'm no longer using a zyxel.03:28
javispedrod-link dsl-something03:28
DocScrutinizerZyXEL was awesome in the times of 2400baud modems03:28
DocScrutinizeror 960003:28
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* nox- only had a zyxel pots modem once, 16k8... 03:29
DocScrutinizeryep, those were the devices that made ZyXEL a name03:29
nox-once i got adsl i let a freebsd box do the nat/routing, and have ever since here03:30
DocScrutinizerbult in POTS phone, incl TAM and all03:30
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DocScrutinizeranyway... ""ZyNOS Firmware-Version: V3.40(AHS.2)b5 | 05/25/2007"" -> SCREAM and *run*!03:32
jacekowskijavispedro: you need STUN for that kind of crap03:34
jacekowskijavispedro: and it's correct behaviour for NAT03:35
DocScrutinizererrr, hmm03:35
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DocScrutinizerSTUN doesn't even work with ZyXEL class of NAT03:36
jacekowskibut it shouldn't matter03:36
jacekowskias long you have port forwarding working03:36
javispedrowhat kind of crap?03:37
DocScrutinizerSTUN fails with port forwarding, because... see above03:37
jacekowskithat doesn't matter03:37
jacekowskiit's RTP that's on 506003:37
jacekowskiand as long as external stuff can connect to you on that port03:37
jacekowskiit's all you need03:37
DocScrutinizerit's SIP on 506003:37
DocScrutinizerRTP is on arbitrary other ports03:38
javispedrojacekowski: that's actually my point -- "why you'd need it?".03:38
javispedroI could see a geek "Preferring" it03:38
javispedro(for ease of debugging, network monitoring, who knows)03:38
DocScrutinizerfor sipgate e.g they suggest to use 5004..500703:39
DocScrutinizerfor RTP03:39
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jacekowskiSIP is perfect example how not to design something to work reliably in real world03:39
DocScrutinizeractually the RTP ports are negotiated in SIP SDP03:39
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: actually NAT is that perfect example03:41
jacekowskiNAT was here long time before SIP03:41
DocScrutinizerso what? still natisbad03:41
DocScrutinizerand manufacturers never seem to read BEHAVE03:42
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Paulyhi i need help dont know what to do.03:43
Paulyi bought a usb female to female03:43
Paulyand cant seem to get host mode working with any devices03:44
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DocScrutinizeryou are using most recent powerkernel, plus mohammad's GUI?03:45
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DocScrutinizeryou got a memstick or whatever with a LED and that LED lights up on hitting "VBUS" button in GUI?03:46
DocScrutinizeryou had a look into dmesg?03:46
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Paulyjust reflashed a week ago03:47
DocScrutinizerwhat's your unmae -a ?03:47
Paulyso problebly up to date power kernel03:47
DocScrutinizeruname -a03:47
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DocScrutinizerjust to make sure, also paste the result of >> cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc |grep Options03:50
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Paulyi think i should reflash maybe and start over03:51
DocScrutinizerI think you shouldn't ask for help if you're not prepared to answer questions03:51
Paulywhat do you mean?03:52
Paulyu never asked a question?03:52
Paulyoh sry didnt see03:52
DocScrutinizerok, I gave commands which you didn't obey - if that's what you want to hear03:53
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Paulyyes a lil usb card reader lit up03:53
Paulybut nothing ever mounted03:53
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Paulycant even get a keyboard to work03:53
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-04 02:46:14] <DocScrutinizer> you had a look into dmesg?03:54
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-04 02:47:22] <DocScrutinizer> what's your unmae -a ?03:54
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-04 02:47:26] <DocScrutinizer> uname -a03:54
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-04 02:50:11] <DocScrutinizer> just to make sure, also paste the result of >> cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc |grep Options03:55
nox-Pauly, are you new to *ix?03:55
Pauly hold on trying to paste03:56
PaulyLinux Nokia-N900 #1 PREEMPT Thu Nov 18 17:04:59 EET 2010 armv7l unknown03:56
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mikki-kunPauly: you know for what to look in dmesg?03:58
Pauly musb-dma, otg (peripheral+host), debug=0 [eps=12], version_hostmode=2010111003:58
DocScrutinizeryour h-e-n setup looks ok03:59
Paulysry mouse cursor wouldnt let me type in this box03:59
DocScrutinizeryou have most recent version of h-e-n installed?04:00
DocScrutinizerplease try to connect a memory stick, then look into output of #> dmesg; and at end of that output search for lines containing "USB"04:01
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: maybe lsusb could say then a lil more about if the cables are "working" when connected to the device he wants to use04:01
DocScrutinizeryep, also a possible way to check04:01
mikki-kunat least even if not mounted a device should say "hey i am here to talk to"04:02
Paulywell i know card reader lit up04:02
DocScrutinizerthat doesn't mean much. It only indicates VBUS was procided from N90004:02
mikki-kunPauly: faulty pins at the card-reader? had a bunch of those happenings in the past04:02
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: but neither would lsusb tell more, then dmesg is needed for further info04:03
DocScrutinizererrr yes04:03
mikki-kuni overlooked the fact he stated it got lit up04:03
Paulyeven a simple usb keyboard wouldnt work04:03
Paulyso dmsg?04:03
DocScrutinizeror lsusb04:04
mikki-kunPauly: i'd go and check there04:04
DocScrutinizeror both04:04
DocScrutinizerPauly: do a dmesg, remember last timestamp04:04
DocScrutinizerthen plug in any device and start hostmode04:04
mikki-kundmesg | tail -n 3004:04
DocScrutinizerthen do dmesg again and check the new lines04:05
mikki-kunthat would sort the last 30 messages from dmesg04:05
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DocScrutinizer30 might be too small04:05
DocScrutinizermight be more easily04:05
DocScrutinizerlike 50 or 7004:05
mikki-kuni reinserted my mouse and that got me 9 events with the disconnect04:05
DocScrutinizerI could give you a cmdline to do the lookup and sort out of new lines. But honestly it's easier you do it manually04:06
Paulyima try keyboard04:06
mikki-kunok, hdd gives me round 30 with partition tables and such...04:06
DocScrutinizerboot device, attach mouse, start h-e-n GUI, do dmesg for last line lookup, click the buttons in h-e-n GUI, check in dmesg for new lines04:07
DocScrutinizerPauly: nota bene h-e-n isn't completely tested for stoping and restarting hostmode. That's why I recommend you boot and then do tests on first try04:08
Paulyi shall do so04:09
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DocScrutinizeryou might do a #>dmesg | tail -n 100 >xxx.txt04:09
mikki-kuni guess i shall fo sleeping, again way too long awake, but this time getting to love my beautiful n900 more than hating it ^^ i guess i will soon use it for some emulators :)04:10
DocScrutinizerand pastebin that file xxx.txt and leave the pastebin URL here04:10
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mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: ">>" appends to the end of the file and might be better in case he wants to compare then later04:10
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DocScrutinizerI'd suggest he's using two files instead, if he really wants to compare anything04:11
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mikki-kunyou want to get him using "touch file_3" diff -ru file_1 file2 >> file_3" ^^04:12
DocScrutinizerI meant he's doing the dmesg|tail *after* trying to connect kbd though04:12
mikki-kunahhh ok04:12
mikki-kunthought a before-after check04:12
mikki-kunto see if it even found anything04:12
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DocScrutinizerI'm not interested in anything before04:12
DocScrutinizerPauly: you could do me a favour and close and reopen the N900 kbd slide immediately prior to hitting h-e-n GUI buttons04:14
DocScrutinizerwill create a nice mark in dmesg04:14
DocScrutinizerthen after trying to connect to the usb kbd, do the dmesg|tail -n 100 >xxx.txt, and upload xxx.txt to or whatever service you like04:16
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infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , , , , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.04:16
pauly_what was that cmd04:16
javispedroI think *one* service is enough04:16
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: what's up?04:16
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pauly_what was that command i was supposed to type04:17
DocScrutinizerdmesg|tail -n 100 >xxx.txt04:17
pauly_lol i rebooted and lost my clipboard04:17
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DocScrutinizerwhich will create a file xxx.txt, err mompls04:18
DocScrutinizerdmesg|tail -n 100 >~user/MyDocs/xxx.txt04:18
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DocScrutinizerwhich will create a file xxx.txt on your "N900" MyDocs storage04:19
DocScrutinizeryou should be able to upload that file to pastebin.com04:19
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pauly_didnt work04:19
pauly_can i paste here?04:19
pauly_[  333.522705] WARNING: at /home/builder2/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/kernel-power-2.6.28/drivers/usb/musb/musb_host.c:128 musb_h_tx_flush_fifo+0x94/0xcc()n[  333.522735] Could not flush host TX0 fifo: csr: 000a04:20
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DocScrutinizerdon't paste long passages here, everything >3 lines or so is considered spam and will earn you a kick04:22 is shit. has no file upload. I'm sure I've seen this option on other pastebin services04:22 has upload iirc04:22
DocScrutinizerpauly_: ignore that warning04:23
DocScrutinizerthough itz's a serious WTF. just for the file path in it04:23
DocScrutinizerlooks more like a kernel OOPS04:24
pauly_reinstall kernel power04:25
pauly_i think i should start there04:25
DocScrutinizeryour kernel looks ok04:25
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DocScrutinizerno use in renstalling it04:25
DocScrutinizerit's a 'good' kernel (it is appropriate for that purpose) and it boots up04:26
DocScrutinizerso there's nothing a reflash could fix04:27
DocScrutinizerI hope you got no multiboot installed04:27
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pauly_havent tried that yet04:27
DocScrutinizerHELL - starts with a cut off kernel OOPS04:28
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nox-that musb_host.c really looks unhappy...04:28
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javispedrodoesn't matter, it's duplicated04:29
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lcuk>>>>>>>>>> frals <<<<<<<<< i believe frals is our first download millionaire.04:29
lcukwell done dude :)04:29
* javispedro claps04:29
* ds3 wonders what is going to happen to all those 999,999 download bots ;)04:30
DocScrutinizerouch, that's a really bad pathological case04:30
DocScrutinizernox-: indeed04:30
DocScrutinizerpauly_: please update power kernel to latest, which afaik is >=4704:30
DocScrutinizerpauly_: this kernel indeed is bad, or you found a bug in hostmode04:31
pauly_ok lol04:31
pauly_my bad04:32
pauly_i think it is latest04:32
pauly_repository says it is04:32
DocScrutinizernah, not at all. there shouldn't be no diffs between 46 and 47 wrt hostmode04:32
pauly_im lost???04:33
* javispedro lols at some adobe cool-aid drinker in tmo04:33
DocScrutinizerpauly_: I'm actually not up to date what powerkernel does04:33
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: ping04:33
pauly_so i should reflash?04:34
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ds3is there a powerkernel that does not cause one to loose features?04:34
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DocScrutinizerreinstall power kernel. Yes probably a good idea04:34
pauly_thank you04:34
pauly_ill do that now04:34
DocScrutinizerdon't say thanks right now. I doubt this will cure the issue04:35
pauly_how to check which kernel i have?04:35
pauly_oh no lol04:35
DocScrutinizeruname -a04:35
DocScrutinizeryou got pk4604:35
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nox-pauly_, are you using an usb hub?04:36
DocScrutinizerafaik there are newer ones04:36
DocScrutinizernox-: why?04:36
nox-i dunno, maybe theres some bug...04:36
nox-(just guessing :)04:37
nox-do you get the same dmesg with different usb devices?04:38
pauly_gotta reboot lol just uninstalled kernel04:38
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pauly_so dont get 4604:38
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DocScrutinizerpauly_: you tried with all three available speeds ? (lowspeed, fullspeed, highspeed)04:39
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pauly_a wireless mouse04:39
pauly_and card reader all diff speeds04:40
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nox-hm how do you check hw revision again?  maybe its related to that?04:40
DocScrutinizerpauly_: and you did click the buttons how exactly? please describe04:41
pauly_then vbus04:42
pauly_then enumerate04:42
DocScrutinizerwhich timing?04:43
pauly_all of them at diffrent times04:44
pauly_rebooting brb04:44
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javispedroon some spanish forum, someone suggested in a "n900 host mode tutorial", that the N8 usb host cable worked04:49
javispedronet result=tens of posters complaining they wasted €1304:50
javispedroah, the wonders of third party "tutorials".04:50
javispedroon the positive side, someone also reported succesfully using a powered hub with 2 usb pendrives, keyboard and mouse.04:51
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DocScrutinizeron "original forum" someone had a foto footage about filing off the excess corners of a N8 adapter to make it fit into a micro-B receptacle :-P04:55
javispedrohah, so this guy was not joking then04:55
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iluminator101whats a good units converter program for n90004:56
javispedrothere was this python one... i think it was creatively called convert2 or th04:56
mvenplusjavispedro, no I was not jokig it's working04:57
javispedroah, but you're not the one I was thinking of.04:58
javispedronever mind.04:58
mvenplusadapter from N8 is working after proper modification on N90004:59
javispedro"physical" modification04:59
mvenplusyes 'physical'04:59
ieatlintagreed, "physical"04:59
mvenpluswith file tool05:00
javispedrowell, time to go05:02
javispedrocya fols05:02
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DocScrutinizermvenplus: you got the exact post URL? I can't find it anymore05:05
DocScrutinizerwhich in itself is incredible05:05
mvenplusDocScrutinizer will find it right away :)05:12
iluminator101how do i enable wireshark in n900 without being root05:13
DocScrutinizererr, not at all?05:13
mvenplusDocScrutinizer, here is
DocScrutinizeror maybe `sudo wireshart` is what you want to hear?05:14
DocScrutinizermvenplus: thanks a lot05:14
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mvenplusDocScrutinizer, no problem men05:15
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iluminator101i cant sign in google voice from n900, is there something i need to change?05:35
iluminator101i know the password and username is right i can sign on from pc05:36
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smoophhey i am trying to flash my n900 but its not working because ... I tried to install a program on which install the device hung and now every time i connect power its trying to fix the installation but won't ... flashing doesn't work because I cannot press the "u" key05:41
ShadowJKWhy can you not press the u key?05:41
DocScrutinizer51besides pressing 'u' isn't strictly mandatory05:43
smoophi can press the key but its not going into flasher mode05:43
DocScrutinizer51start flasher, plug in the N90005:43
DocScrutinizer51ooh, then your battery is empty05:43
smoophyes very possible the battery is empty05:44
smoophbut i cannot charge it05:44
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smoopheverytime i plug in the charger the device starts and trys to fix the installation05:45
smoophi don't know what to do05:45
DocScrutinizer51it doesn't enetr charging mode when plugging unpowered device to wallcharger?05:45
smoophit starts charging but after a little while (2-5 min) it boots up the point where it trys to fix the failed installation05:46
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smoophand some time later dies again05:46
smoophyes very hmmm05:47
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DocScrutinizer51tried to switch it off the very moment it boots after those 2-5min?05:48
smoophyes power button is not responding05:49
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smoophyes very05:49
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smoophI will go to bed now its almost 5 in the morning05:50
smoophand give it a fresh start tomorrow05:50
DocScrutinizer51if you remove the battery  the very moment it boots05:50
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smoophI will try it tomorrow05:51
DocScrutinizer51then you bight be able to "hold 'u'" on next boot, which should be the one on plugin to flasher05:51
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Termanagood morning07:01
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, pong?07:08
DocScrutinizer51but forgot what exactly07:08
MohammadAGstandard answer: RTFM07:09
MohammadAGit's said that kernel-power is for power users07:09
* MohammadAG looks up definition of power (adj.) in a t.m.o. dictionary07:10
TermanaMohammadAG, you won't find it anywhere near t.m.o07:10
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MohammadAG -> see noobs (n.)07:10
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ieatlint"power user" is a marketing term ... that should tell you all you need to know about it07:32
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jaemevening... I have an odd problem. I'm reading a serial data stream over a Bluetooth link, the data packets of which are delimited by CRLF characters...07:53
jaemOn my (Arch Linux) laptop, this works fine with our parser, but on the N900, it breaks.  On looking into it, it seems that the data received on the N900 is somehow having the CRLF changed to LFLF before it even hits my application.07:54
jaemcat'ing /dev/rfcomm0 thus shows double-spaced lines of data.  I'm rather confused as to what could be causing this.07:55
ds3checked the line discipline?07:58
jaemds3: Since I'm not sure what that means, I'm guessing "no". :)07:58
ds3try 'stty -a < /dev/rfcomm0'07:59
ds3see if the settings show autotranslate enabled07:59
* jaem checks08:01
jaemds3: looks like that may be it.  Let me poke at it some more08:03
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jaemds3: Yep, that would be it.  Thanks a lot. :D08:07
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ds3glad to be of assistance08:10
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DocScrutinizer51jaem: seems to me your parser is too strict08:31
Macermy gf is cracking me up with this just dance 2 and michale jackson gameas08:32
Macerwii is awesome08:32
DocScrutinizer51usually a parser should be as loose as possible, only detecting the syntactically relevant lexems08:32
DocScrutinizer51jaem: in this particular case it would for example mean the parser should tolerate any combination of LF/CR08:34
jaemDocScrutinizer51: Quite possibly.  The problem is that this whole side of the project was written by someone else, who was out of the country for several months.  I've been trying to get it all working without him, and I have insufficient experience with this sort of thing08:34
jaemDocScrutinizer51: Agreed.08:34
DocScrutinizer51maybe, depending on syntax of your parsed text, even ignore them completely08:34
jaemI believe the current code splits on newlines, and since it was being turned into *two* newlines, that confused it.08:35
jaemAt any rate, most of this code has been rewritten, from what I've told - it just isn't stable yet. I get to play with the old code. :)08:35
DocScrutinizer51hm, a separator lexem usually should not hurt if repeated08:36
DocScrutinizer51except if the empty token ([separator][null tolen][separator]) actually has a meaningis08:38
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DocScrutinizer51imagine c sourcecode would allow only single spaces08:40
jaemDocScrutinizer51: Sorry, I'm having a bad day, and not really following you.  I should probably leave this for now.08:41
jaemI appreciate your help, though.08:42
DocScrutinizer51for the c source parser in gcc a single space is same as multiple spaces, and often even cr/lf is of equal meaning08:42
ieatlintto be pedantic, a parser that is loose is still likely to not process LFLF in this case as intended -- LFLF could intentionally indicate a blank line08:42
DocScrutinizer51well, depends on the syntax of the parsed text08:43
DocScrutinizer51a c parser for example wouldn't care (first instance)08:44
ieatlintbut you're right about gcc's parsing (except in the preprocessor)... i believe that's part of the c spec in fact08:44
DocScrutinizer51(except of course for line numbers etc)08:44
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DocScrutinizer51darn, who messed up line9 of my usr/bin/htop?09:19
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cehtehwhere is the sensitivity between whats recognized as tap and whats a drag configureable in hildon09:40
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DocScrutinizergood question09:49
DocScrutinizerI'd brainlessly point in gconf's general direction09:50
RST38hcehteh: as of Maemo5 it is not09:50
RST38hthe touchscreen is too jittery09:50
DocScrutinizer*burp* mumbleamousemoumblehostmode09:51
cehtehRST38h: exactly to increase it, slippy fingers :P09:52
cehtehthey must have some hardcodes compensation anyways ... i epected thats rather some config value :/09:53
RST38hthey do of course09:53
RST38hbut it won't make any difference09:53
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* DocScrutinizer throws a " at htop maintainer, just in case...09:56
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trumeesip uri's fail if phone is not registered to that domain. strange.10:28
trumeeMy N900 is registered to my * server and i called, phone did not pass the uri to my * server.10:28
cehtehyeah the n900 supports only castrated sip10:28
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trumeecehteh, sip looses its usefulness immediately if cant call sip uris10:32
trumeecehteh, there should be bug report filed for this10:33
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cehtehgo for it :P10:34
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trumeeseems i can dial   somenumber@x.x but not somestring@x.x10:35
trumeephone-ui pass the sip uri if it contains numbers only.10:36
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DocScrutinizermy sip is dead11:09
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DocScrutinizerI.E. I can't select the SIP connection in dialer anymore, and also no SIP call buttons in contacts11:09
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DocScrutinizer51inbound sip calls get signaled as missed call immediately11:14
DocScrutinizer51callback on that call from missed calls creates a chat! o.O11:15
DocScrutinizer51something is seriously messed up11:15
trumeeDocScrutinizer, telepathy-sip broken for you11:18
trumeeDocScrutinizer, time to reflash :p11:19
DocScrutinizerpfff SHIT11:19
DocScrutinizerreflash means I lose PR1.211:19
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trumeeI dont have a landline, so sip needs to be quite reliable for me.11:19
DocScrutinizerthat's why I started with twinkle, back when11:20
trumeeDocScrutinizer, why are you stuck with PR1.2?11:21
DocScrutinizerand on N900 PR1.[01].* it worked great11:21
DocScrutinizerbecause pr1.3 has all kinds of things not working or not tested11:22
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DocScrutinizerand frankly because I was happy with my massively tweaked and patched pr1.2, for my productive device11:23
DocScrutinizerand OTA isn't feasible anymore for this massively modified pr1.211:24
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DocScrutinizerat least not without serious effort to prepare it for that OTA update11:24
RST38hDoc: You will still have to update to pr1.311:24
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DocScrutinizerand there's definitely still no tested reliable way to backup that system and completely rollback if PR1.3 sucks11:25
DocScrutinizeralso I love to HATE nokia for forcing me into pr1.311:26
DocScrutinizerthis is my *productive* phone, not a toy for Nokia to learn how to run updates11:26
DocScrutinizerthey should first learn how to decently do complete backups11:27
RST38hThis is all pointless talk11:27
DocScrutinizerprior to forcing me into new OS versions11:27
DocScrutinizerthat's not pointless, that's just sad and making me angry11:28
RST38hOk,so you will get sadder and more angry by the day, until you upgrade to pr1.311:28
RST38hEspecially considering that PR1.3 isn't even reflashing your boot loader, core, or anything11:28
DocScrutinizerthanks for the analysis, Mr Freud11:28
RST38hJust a bunch of userland package updates11:29
trumeeDocScrutinizer, you could try Babckupmenu app11:29
DocScrutinizerwell, tehnically hildon desktop is actually userland11:30
DocScrutinizerfor libvte I'm not that sure11:30
DocScrutinizertrumee: I could try, and find out if it helps me or makes things worse, yes11:30
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DocScrutinizertrumee: first thing you learn with backup, as a sysop, is you MUST test restore, to be sure it actually works. And obviously you can't do that when same time you destroy the original system that you tried to backup11:32
DocScrutinizermeans you have to restore to a different system, an expendable one11:33
DocScrutinizerthen your best bet is to do a backup of that system, and compare the both backups. Usually they differ (sure they do, as a living system always is changing)11:34
DocScrutinizerI'm not ready to do this11:34
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DocScrutinizerQA for a backup/restore solution is a bit different to that of a normal app. If a normal app has a bug, I simply fix it. If a backup has a bug, I'll learn I'm busted11:37
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: pr1.3 has that annoying CPU-hog / charging bug, that will destroy my battery11:40
DocScrutinizerRST38h: I'd say that's clearly 'anything' at least11:40
DocScrutinizeraccording to your list of >> boot loader, core, or anything <<11:41
DocScrutinizerIt wouldn't hurt battery if bme wasn't THAT braindamaged11:43
DocScrutinizerI might try to cope FIX state, if I had a way to rollback to PR1.2 completely, just in case I fail on trying to live with it. Or in case there are even more *serious* bugs in PR1.311:46
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DocScrutinizerduh, I hate that touchpad11:47
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DocScrutinizerI might try to cope with that bug and its defacto WONTFIX state, if I had a way to rollback to PR1.2 completely, just in case I fail on trying to live with it. Or in case there are even more *serious* bugs in PR1.311:47
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TermanaDocScrutinizer: just use the 1.2 kernel like we discussed? (if you find the bug unliveable)11:52
DocScrutinizerTermana: the suggested upgrade to PR1.3 might introduce other *serious* bugs that nobody has noticed yet (NB it's been me who discovered the CPU hog bug), and if it does then using a PR1.2 kernel might not exactly help me out11:54
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DocScrutinizerin fact an upgrade to PR1.3 is irreversable for the same reasons I can't really use PR1.2 any longer: None of the apps in testing and devel is available for pr1.2 any longer11:56
DocScrutinizerso once I upgraded to 1.3, there's no way to restore a PR1.2 system11:56
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DocScrutinizerat least no simple tested supported way11:57
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DocScrutinizeryou can go back to a bare bones PR1.2, by simply flashing the img, but that's it11:58
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* alterego wonders what to do today.12:10
alteregoThink I'll throw together a UI for my TV remote.12:10
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alteregoUsing Qt Quick12:10
DocScrutinizeralterego: how about testing backup menu for installability under PR1.2? And then verifying a image restore really is creating a working system?12:11
alteregoEesh, you want me to reflash 1.2? :D12:12
DocScrutinizerWell I gather you're asking for a task for the weekend, so you won't get bored12:12
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alteregoYeah, and I've got either columbus or my automatic remote detect.12:13
DocScrutinizerdoubtlessly much more tempting topics12:13
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alteregoNow, I wonder if i can use bluetooth scanning, to know when I'm at home so I can turn one of my home screens into a context aware remote control.12:27
alteregoThink I'll write a little topography discovery agent, which ses bluetooth devices, or wireless AP addresses to ascertain your home or at work or whatever.12:29
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BCMMdoes anyone have reason to believe that ntpd would have a substantial effect on battery life?12:40
alteregoBCMM: no, not realy.12:40
alteregoWell, maybe if there's some kind of odd networking error.12:40
alteregoIt might get into a retry frenzy.12:40
BCMMoh, the BSD version doesn't do constant adjustment...12:40
BCMMi was worried about CPU wake-ups, you see12:41
alteregoAh, m'kay.12:41
alteregoWell, I've been using ntpd for ages and have never noticed any nastiness.12:41
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DocScrutinizerOn thinking about it again, I'm not sure maemo kernel knows about frequency discipline12:47
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DocScrutinizeralterego: so if that's the case, there's maybe no way to do any constant adjustment12:47
DocScrutinizerhmm, probably inserting or dropping one jiffy per N jiffies is always possible12:48
alteregoHrm, yeah.12:48
alteregoI'm not sure about that either.12:49
DocScrutinizerI never loked into frequency discipline and how it works12:49
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alteregoCan't say I'm too up on it either.12:50
DocScrutinizerbut I'd guess a granularity of one jiffy is finegrained enough12:50
alteregoHeh, not often I hear someone saying Jiffy :D12:50
DocScrutinizerso time would actually jump a jiffy every now and then, or stall for a period of two jiffies12:51
DocScrutinizerboth not really a big problem12:51
alteregoI think today, I'll start to think about how I can make a neat home automation/CIR controller remote UX framework.12:52
DocScrutinizerand that should be feasible independently on tickless kernel and whatever the sysclock hardware is alike12:52
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: I'm thinking of coping out and releasing columbus as foss ...13:03
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alteregoMight still work on a security/purchase framework though.13:04
DocScrutinizerdamn, another test case wasted13:05
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alteregoWell, it was only a requirement for a semi quick cash injection. But I don't really need that anymore.13:06
DocScrutinizerI'd really be interested in the relative success of this13:06
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DocScrutinizerEsp since I still need such a cash injection13:06
alteregoHeh, do you have a killer app then? :)13:07
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DocScrutinizerkiller app is relative13:08
alteregoYeah, well, you know what I mean.l13:08
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DocScrutinizeryep. any TLA starting with b is a good candidate13:09
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DocScrutinizerand a featureset of hostmode with Y-cable support, hot swapping of battery, and full control over charging even with alien chargers, seems nice enough13:11
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TermanaAll wrapped in a juicy proprietary sausage with a side dish of send $100 to DocScrutinizer or die. Nom nom.13:12
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DocScrutinizer51Termana: nah13:18
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* Arkenoi wonders what is the rationale behind the "brilliant" idea of using "virtual" directory names like "Sound clips" etc in native applications. Damn ugly and inconsistent. Why not just symlinks?13:21
keriobecause that would make sense13:22
CableTwitchBecause as nice as standards are, there will always be those who like to do things differently. 'Ooman naycha, innit?13:23
ArkenoiWell, i guess it was not a single person decision, why would *serveral* people agree to this nonsense?13:24
CableTwitchBecause its easier to go with you r won planning methods, than to bend everything to fit someone elses.13:25
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CableTwitchTrust me, you can have all the standards in the world. Someone, somewhere, will use something entirely different.13:26
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RST38hArkenoi: this came from Symbian13:28
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RST38hArkenoi: The idea was being able to move these dirs between device models and also merge internal+card dirs into a single user-accessible directory13:29
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ArkenoiRST38h, what a mess13:32
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Arkenoiwhy just copy symbian there? at least on symbian you almost never see "real" fs structure13:34
Arkenoii mean, from UI13:35
RST38hArkenoi: Most likely because the managementisdominated by Symbianpeople13:35
Arkenoiyet another reason to kill symbian asap, it is toxic waste13:37
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DocScrutinizer51I heard it was about localization, and poorly thought concepts13:45
DocScrutinizer51and M$13:45
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Venemohi :)13:54
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trumee/dev/video1 and /dev/video2 both point to back camera. is that a PR1.3 bug?13:59
trumeemy bad mplayer needs v4l2 driver14:01
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RST38hArkenoi: YOu can kill the Symbian, but what are you gonna do with the people/14:03
jacekowskithere is nothing wrong with symbian14:04
RST38hArkenoi: [hint: you let these highly experienced industry folks drive your Meego-related developments]14:04
BCMMi have no idea whatsoever how symbian works internally - is porting it's API to linux and running legacy application on it feasible?14:04
alteregoBCMM: anything is possible, but is it worth it?14:05
alteregoI suppose Palm did it.14:05
BCMMalterego: that's why i said feasible, not possible14:05
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ArkenoiRST38h, quarantine every single person under strict supervision, if it appears to be clean of brain contamination, let him do something useful :-)14:09
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RST38hArkenoi: Never happens that way14:09
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jacekowskisymbian FTW14:26
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Venemojacekowski: why is that?14:27
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corecodehow do you fit 80x25 on the xterm?14:35
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The_Tall1Hi, i build a big library in scratchbox and it worked fine inside it. But on the N900 the used float numbers totally flipped like 2.99999 changed to -0.00004. Is this known or caused by the used lib?14:37
VenemoThe_Tall1: we would need to know more about what you're doing14:38
The_Tall1we use geos-3.2.2 to work with geometries and the wkt/wkb to work with rdf3x14:39
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The_Tall1we think big/little endian might be a problem but why differs scratchbox output from N900. That looks strange to mee14:40
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The_Tall1scratchbox runs on a 32Bit Intel14:41
VenemoThe_Tall1: x86 is little-endian. ARMEL is little-endian too14:41
MohammadAGor AMD6414:41
Venemothat is why it is called ARM_EL_14:41
keriocorecode: you can fit 79x2514:41
MohammadAGdepends on the units14:42
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VenemoARMEL meanys ARM little-endian14:42
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MohammadAGshouldn't it me Endian-Little on ARMLE? :P14:43
The_Tall1the used units are standard c++ floats14:43
trumeeMohammadAG, thanks for help yesterday. Finally was able to boot into my custom kernel.14:43
alteregoIt sounds cuter MohammadAG14:43
MohammadAGwho's the lil ARMEL, who's the lil ARMEL14:44
MohammadAGtrumee, yw :)14:44
trumeeMohammadAG, key was to run depmod -a on the device to stop reboot loop.14:44
MohammadAGpostinst should do that o_O14:45
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jacekowskiThe_Tall1: softvfp?14:45
jacekowskiThe_Tall1: or something else?14:45
jacekowskiThe_Tall1: i would try it on debugger14:45
trumeeMohammadAG, guess my postinst is broken then14:45
VenemoMohammadAG: see
VenemoMohammadAG: ARMEL is little-endian and ARMEB is big-endian14:46
smoophhey i am trying to flash my n900 but its not working because ... I tried to install a program on which install the device hung and now every time i connect power its trying to fix the installation but won't ... flashing doesn't work because I pressing the "u" key it doesn't go into flashermode14:46
The_Tall1jacekowski: i remember a message about softvfp, gdb will be next14:47
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chem|stsmooph: uboot or bootbackup?14:48
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chem|stsmooph: there is matan's workaround somewhere in tmo14:49
smoophchem|st: sorry I don't understand the question I am trying to flash with vanilla14:49
DocScrutinizersmooph: damn, didn't we decide yesterday your battery is weak?14:49
chem|stsmooph: what was the program you installed?14:49
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smoophDocScrutinizer yes we did14:50
chem|stDocScrutinizer: oh ok..14:50
smoophbut I tried loading14:50
chem|stsmooph: did it?14:50
smoophbut it doesn't help ... if the battery is too low shouldn't it go into flashermode too and die on me before its finished14:51
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chem|stsmooph: what happens when you have the device off and plug in a wallcharger?14:51
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DocScrutinizer[2010-12-04 04:45:27] <DocScrutinizer51> it doesn't enetr charging mode when plugging unpowered device to wallcharger?14:52
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smoophthe orange led goes on which means its charging but some time (2-5min) after that the device starts and tries to install the faild program14:52
DocScrutinizer[2010-12-04 04:46:36] <smooph> it starts charging but after a little while (2-5 min) it boots up the point where it trys to fix the failed installation14:52
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smoophbtw it died installing some data collection app14:53
DocScrutinizercharge your battery. There's no other way14:53
smoophbut how?14:54
chem|stsmooph: dedicated from your device14:54
Venemosmooph: maybe get another battery, or charge yours with another phone or an external charger14:54
chem|stsmooph: see a vendor shop and ask kindly to charge it, or find a friend with same socket14:54
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smoophis the there no special pre boot mode i can enter14:55
chem|stpeople should realy think about messing with their phones with empty battery...14:55
smoophit was fully loaded14:55
chem|stsmooph: if the flasher mode does not work no14:56
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chem|stmaybe you do something wrong on that side...14:56
DocScrutinizernah, holding 'u' doesn't help. So it's definitely empty cell14:57
chem|st"some data collection app" sounds scary14:57
smoophIt doesn't even enter flasher mode ... I don't even see the little usb icon14:57
DocScrutinizerwouldn' be surprised to find that "data cllection app" needs power kernel14:57
chem|stsmooph: charge the battery14:57
chem|stDocScrutinizer: that's what I thought of...14:58
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DocScrutinizerprobably pk preinit should check for >90% battery, and abort14:59
chem|stDocScrutinizer: btw how come that wifi hotspot is in testing? and why does ham install with missing dependencies?14:59
MohammadAGhow do I make my mailing client have auto line breaks?14:59
chem|stMohammadAG: which client14:59
corecode\o/ kerio how?15:00
MohammadAGlike, when sending to mailing lists, I see lines are broken after each 6 words or sth15:00
corecodewithout the \o/15:00
corecodekerio: how?15:00
chem|stMohammadAG: it is somewhere in the editor settings to brake after an amount of characters15:00
MohammadAGwhat's the one mailing lists use?15:00
chem|stMohammadAG: that's what I tell vim to do when called from mutt15:01
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chem|stMohammadAG: ehr IO error15:01
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keriocorecode: disable the toolbar and go fullscreen15:01
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chem|stMohammadAG: thunderbird is a wacky bitch... my knowledge is limited... want a proper .muttrc I can help15:02
smoophchem|st: DocScrutinizer "nokia data gathering" was the name of the app I think15:02
Pavlzhello to all15:03
keriocorecode: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false"15:03
chem|stsmooph: from where did you install it?15:03
DocScrutinizerthw infamous nokia spyware15:03
chem|stDocScrutinizer: never heard of it15:03
DocScrutinizerask SpeedEvil15:03
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chem|stsmooph: repositories like repositories is what the collector is called15:04
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Pavlzi got the old nokia 770 with the kernel 2.6.16-omap115:05
chem|stsmooph: repositories is no valid answer on 'where did you get it from'15:05
chem|stPavlz: hi15:05
smoophi guess15:05
smoophi don't know15:05
chem|stsmooph: why did you wnat to install it?15:06
smoophdescribtion sounded interessting15:06
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil got some 50 bucks from Nokia for installing it :-P15:06
Venemosmooph: what kind of app was this?15:06
Pavlzi would like to know if there is any player to watch short movies *.ogv15:06
corecodekerio: i don't seem to get 7915:07
chem|stPavlz: mplayer doesn't do it?15:07
corecodealso, 80 would be much better15:07
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kerioyeah but apparently there's no way to get 80 without going like 96x3015:07
keriouse the volume keys to zoom :)15:07
chem|stas ogv is just another container format..15:07
smoophVenemo: I don't know my phone never started again after trying to install it15:08
kerionot sure if it matters, i'm using droid sans mono bold 1215:08
Venemosmooph: I get it, but what was this app?15:08
corecodeoh i didn't know that15:08
Pavlzto the same time i got problems with opera browser, because it is very old and there are not binaries or source code for opera so i can't access to my e-mail on google15:09
DocScrutinizeryeah, and terribly missing in xterm15:09
chem|stsmooph: that thing is nowhere in the official repositories15:09
chem|stDocScrutinizer: is it in sdk tools?15:09
DocScrutinizerask SpeedEvil15:09
chem|stDocScrutinizer: zoom? go with volume keys!15:10
DocScrutinizeriirc it's sent to you by Nokia, together with an NDA15:10
DocScrutinizerin xchat???15:10
Pavlzno i can listen but i can't watch with mplayer15:10
DocScrutinizercya, off for a nap15:10
chem|stDocScrutinizer: ok15:10
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: you can change the font size, whats the matter?15:11
smoophthe first post i pretty much the same what happened to me15:11
DocScrutinizerchem|st: usability15:11
chem|stDocScrutinizer: sure15:11
jacekowskismooph: coldflash15:11
smoophwhats that?15:12
DocScrutinizeryou don't wanna know15:12
jacekowskicoldflash will not check battery level15:12
DocScrutinizerbut twl4030 will15:12
* alterego starts his new project, its' called "QMote" :)15:12
chem|stsmooph: ah so you thought it hung and killed your device by powering off?15:13
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: he's down to emergency charge already15:13
Venemoalterego: what app'll be it?15:13
jacekowskithen let it charge15:14
jacekowskiand flash it15:14
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smoophI waited 1 day nothing happened and than when I took it with me it was just turned off15:14
chem|stjacekowski: it starts after 2-4mins of charging by itself15:14
alteregoVenemo: it's a IR remote controller interface using QtQuick/QML15:14
Venemoalterego: something like QtIrreco?15:14
chem|stsmooph: it died on the battery...15:14
jacekowskichem|st: and what happens after that?15:14
alteregoVenemo: yeah, but better :P15:14
alteregoI don't like that app.15:14
Venemoalterego: nice :)15:15
chem|stjacekowski: tries to boot something ?!15:15
alteregoI'm gonna have automatic detection too.15:15
jacekowskichem|st: does it switch off?15:15
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jacekowskihmm, then you probably can coldflash it15:15
chem|stsmooph: pls describe what happens15:15
jacekowskichem|st: do you have liunux at hand somewhere?15:15
smoophit tries to fix the failed install with the words "installing software update,please do not interrupt 5 %"15:15
chem|stjacekowski: it is smooph not me15:16
jacekowskismooph: do you have linux somewhere at hand?15:16
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you will regret that15:16
chem|stjacekowski: I know my way around...15:16
smoophon it of course ;D15:16
infobot[coldflash] and next ~200 posts, or
chem|stsmooph: at hand!15:16
* DocScrutinizer cancels nap, fetches popcorn and coke15:17
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: not funny15:17
* smooph doesn't agree with being a ginnypig15:17
DocScrutinizerthat WILL be funny15:17
chem|stdoes anyone know where to get the gorilla pods mounting plates as single piece? want to make a customized batterycover with it15:18
chem|stDocScrutinizer: have some popcorn spare for me... I am out of gummibears by now ;)15:18
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: smooph clearly stated his device goes down after a *short* time, after boot, and it obviously doesn't charge -> you have maybe 150s to do all the flashing from coldflash to working system, as coldflash kernel doesn't charge either15:21
jacekowski150s should be enough15:22
DocScrutinizeryeah, will be funny, definitely15:22
smoophnothing happens ... I cannot get it to connect to go into flashermode15:25
Venemosmooph: like I said, get another charged battery, or charge your battery with another phone or an external charger15:26
DocScrutinizeryes, you need to use coldflash special command parameters for flasher15:26
DocScrutinizeras you have to override NOLO15:26
Venemosmooph: or borrow a battery from a service centre15:26
DocScrutinizer(the bootloader that shows the NOKIA screen)15:26
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I didn't know you could flash rootfs with coldflash15:27
smoophI am using the command from the wiki jacekowski send me15:28
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DocScrutinizerhmm, it should get you into coldflashing mode the moment the phone boots up from charrging, after you connected it to a PC with started flasher command15:29
DocScrutinizerno holding of 'u'15:29
alteregoIt's a shame there isn't two IR emitters.15:29
alteregoI keep wanting to use my remote in portrait ..15:29
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: yep15:30
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: just windows is not fast enough to enumerate it15:30
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I always wondered if flasher should be told to use a particular USB port15:31
smoophnot working15:31
DocScrutinizeryummy... popcorn15:32
jacekowskismooph: are you on linux or windows?15:32
smooph:) not so funny over here15:32
Venemoalterego: lol15:33
jacekowskismooph: switch off your phone15:33
jacekowskiremove battery15:33
jacekowskidisconnect usb cable15:33
Venemoalterego: it's a shame there isn't an IR receiver too15:33
jacekowskiwait a while15:33
jacekowskiwhat hw revision do you have?15:33
smoophdon't know ... how what do you mean?15:34
DocScrutinizerit can be found if you disassemble the lower half15:34
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jacekowskismooph: start that command15:34
DocScrutinizeror in /proc, of the phone's system that's not starting15:34
jacekowskiflasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -2 2nd.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -s secondary.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -S usb15:35
jacekowskias root15:35
jacekowskiconnect battery15:35
jacekowskiand plug in your phone via usb15:35
lolloois it that hard to include u-boot to power kernel ?15:35
lollooI need to run MeeGo but I have power kernel4615:35
chem|stalterego: more power would be fine as I can point anywhere in the room to control my boombox with it's remote...15:35
chem|stlolloo: there is no need to run meego...15:36
DocScrutinizerchem|st: replace those friggin R's15:36
lolloook there is no need, but I need U-boot on my n90015:36
lollooand power46 has removed U-boot from it15:37
chem|stDocScrutinizer: the IR needs to be replaced too15:37
chem|stwont work afaik15:37
DocScrutinizerdon't think so15:37
DocScrutinizeryou say LED?15:38
chem|stDocScrutinizer: you know the vendor and part number?15:38
smoophjacekowski: I did what you said ... when I plugged in the USB it took a little time than the device turned on and went straight into "Installing Software update. Please do not interrupt."15:38
DocScrutinizerlooks quite beefy15:38
DocScrutinizerchem|st: nope15:38
jacekowskismooph: what does dmesg say15:38
smoophhub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 615:39
chem|stjacekowski: I bet ubuntu and trying something weird before enumerating ;) popcorn?15:39
chem|stsmooph: is 2-0 on board?15:39
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smoophlet me check15:40
chem|stsmooph: where did you plug it in to?15:40
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: whatever the result of this - kudos for the idea15:41
smoophyes all pluged into on board15:41
DocScrutinizer2-0:1-0 port 6 o.O15:42
DocScrutinizerlooks icky15:42
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DocScrutinizermainboard hub15:42
chem|stDocScrutinizer: yeah...15:43
chem|stsmooph: is it your front usb?15:43
chem|stsmooph: with a cable to the board something?15:43
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chem|stor one of the backpanel usbs?15:43
smoophno it directly plugged into the mainboard backpanel15:43
alteregoCool, just bound 'system' call into Qml space. So now I can run arbitrary command :)15:44
DocScrutinizersmooph: try other ports15:44
DocScrutinizershortcut: use a memstick and check dmesg for a nicer log15:44
chem|stsmooph: you got a lot there so please use any usb device and plug it in another port on the back most prefered one of the most right in relation to loking at it with cpu UP15:45
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DocScrutinizerduh you know secrets15:45
DocScrutinizeris this an Intel spec or what?15:46
chem|stit is a ATX layout spec15:46
DocScrutinizerdark secrets15:46
chem|stuATX is another thing I guess but xlATX and ATX have to be the first 2 from the left or the first two from the right15:47
DocScrutinizersmooph: anyway, use a memstick or whatever and check dmesg log. If you find something nicer in there, paste it here15:48
chem|stsmooph: ^^ do that15:48
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DocScrutinizernicer == not port >4, less digits after USB15:48
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DocScrutinizermeh, my popcorn getting cold, my neighbour stopped tearing down the wall to my sleeping room. The nap getting more tempting15:50
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smoophusb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 15 ??? good enough ???15:51
DocScrutinizergood enough15:51
chem|stsmooph: no usb 1-x available?15:51
DocScrutinizermeh, don't nitpick15:52
chem|stat least it is not talking about hub15:52
smoophdo i press "u" when the device turns on ?15:52
DocScrutinizerno use in that15:52
DocScrutinizerbut that's jacekowski's show anyway15:53
chem|stoh nice with patched usb cdc_ether finally works...15:53
chem|st[312240.899392] usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:02.1-1 ;)15:54
smoophhub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 ... back to installing software updates15:54
Venemosmooph: why don't you follow my advice?15:54
alteregoI think that's quite a nice way of creating lircd remotes ..15:54
lolloowhat is the command to force an app to install using apt-get?15:54
alteregololloo: apt-get install15:55
lolloo-f ?15:55
smoophVenemo: because your advice means going outside and i am snowed in15:55
Venemosmooph: ouch. :(15:55
chem|stalterego: you are on a killing spree?15:55
DocScrutinizeryeah, nice weather around here15:55
lolloowhat is the name of u-bootpackage used in apt-get?15:55
smoophnothing to do but keep the computers running to heat up the place15:55
lollooapt-get -f install u-boot?15:56
alteregochem|st: ?15:56
DocScrutinizerapt-cache search uboot15:56
chem|stlolloo: you should def. keep your hands off15:56
DocScrutinizerapt-cache search boot15:56
lolloochem|st, no worries15:57
DocScrutinizerchem|st: lolloo: ACK15:57
chem|stalterego: look at him little 'awesome' on a basic command will brick his device in no time...15:57
DocScrutinizerlolloo: PLEASE charge your battery first ! :-P15:57
chem|stDocScrutinizer: you cannot ACK both of us..15:57
alteregochem|st: you mean binding "system" into QML?15:58
DocScrutinizerchem|st: I acked your comment15:58
chem|stalterego: no I mean telling people simple commands on heavy topics is like throwing a gummiball into a class-animals vendor shop...15:59
alteregoI'm not in the mood to mollycoddle today :)15:59
DocScrutinizerhow about dd? X-P16:00
chem|stalterego: people with "that sounded interessting" sitting here with bricked devices, snowed in, out of coffee...16:00
alteregoHahah nice16:01
DocScrutinizerand jacekowski is suspiciously silent recently16:01
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DocScrutinizersmooph: how good is your electronics background?16:07
Arkenoi oh shi.. somebody, PLEASE KILL HIM!16:08
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chem|stArkenoi: who did think of E-series meego yet? kind of weird16:10
DocScrutinizerhehe that E7 damn looks like that N9, doesn't it?16:11
chem|stDocScrutinizer: thats what I just thought16:11
Arkenoichem|st, i think meego would be ideal for e series (at least qwerty models)16:11
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chem|stArkenoi: meego is at least one year away from usable as anything, they should have taken maemo to the next step, at least for phones16:13
chem|sta netbook ui, unusable without touchscreen or attached mouse is another issue16:13
chem|stno device sync makes it even more wonderful16:15
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chem|stif I run something like meego on all mobile devices I want it to sync anything over wifi, if it's my current playlist to my car or the PIM to my netbook16:16
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DocScrutinizerok, folks. This is way less funny than I thought it would be16:16
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smoophthanks for the help16:17
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pupnikwebgl summit 2010 demos
smoophhub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 3 that should be as good as it gets right ?16:20
smoophchem|st: jacekowski16:21
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DocScrutinizersmooph: you own a voltmeter?16:22
DocScrutinizerk, nm16:22
alteregoI should really set my old blog up again.16:22
DocScrutinizerget a charger or a spare battery16:23
alteregoThis QML remote is cool :)16:23
alteregoAnd easy to code.16:23
smoophDocScrutinizer I will do you know if other nokia phones have the same battery ?16:23
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DocScrutinizercan't find that bookmark. anyway 5800 has bl-5j as well16:28
korhojoahey guys, anyone know how it would be possible to tell the phone to output sound via the speakers even though the tv-out cable is connected?16:28
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DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: change the PA policy. No idea how to do that16:30
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DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: or use alsamixer -c 016:30
pupnik  qml/3d programming example - Golden Monkey God16:30
DocScrutinizererr amixer?16:31
smooph1thanks DocScrutinizer16:31
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smooph1I will ask some friends maybe they can snowmobil over here ;D16:33
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alteregoSo now people can write quick and easy, and pretty, remote controls in QML :)16:54
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alteregoMuch cooler than the other apps.16:54
Venemoalterego: good stuff16:56
zsleft, right arrows seem to be bigger than up and down arrows, why? :)16:56
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alteregozs: becuse rather than draw proper ones I've stolen icons that kind of visualise what I want from hildon stock icons.16:56
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zsyou can rotate them to look the same16:57
alteregoThink I'll polish it up, add support for multiple remotes, including a pretty selector.16:57
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alteregoThen people can use my app to create their own QML remotes for stuff they've got configured in lircd16:58
zsyeah :)16:58
alteregoHere's the source for that UI:
alteregoObviously you don't need to use my "Button" component, but it makes a nice wrapper for a button with either a label or icon and then "command" property is the name of the command code in your lircd.conf file17:00
alteregoMy button at the moment is just using "TV" but I'll modify that when I do some more serious scht.17:00
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pupnikgreat live performance17:02
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pupnik  here she sings in front of a handful of people17:03
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* alterego does a skin for his xbox17:15
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alteregoCool, got it working with my XBox and my TV :D17:27
alteregoNext my computer.17:27
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alteregoThen a nice interface to select which ones are active.17:27
* MohammadAG stabs setAttribute()17:28
MohammadAGwhy does setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5ShowProgressIndicator, true) show the circle, while setting it to false doesn't!17:28
VenemoMohammadAG: setting it to false disables the attribute17:28
alteregoBecause that is how you show and hide it ..17:28
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alteregoWhen you start doing something, set it to true, when you're done, set it to false.17:29
MohammadAGalterego, heh, my question was retarded17:29
MohammadAGwhen I set it to false, it doesn't go away17:29
VenemoMohammadAG: it should17:29
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alteregoInterwesting ..17:30
MohammadAGsame happened with the portrait flag17:31
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pupniknice one RST38h17:31
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MohammadAGtypo in the signal :/17:33
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  getting the same qt run errors as i got last week al of a sudden :| - build works fine, and runs fine after autobuilder etc, but wont let me test on my device, getting this -
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, good evening to you too :P17:34
NooBmonk3ymorning, afternoon, evening gnite ;)17:34
MohammadAGedit debian/rules17:34
MohammadAGactually, paste debian/rules :P17:34
MohammadAGon pastebin of course(!!! again? k, !!!)17:34
NooBmonk3yhaven't changed it though17:35
NooBmonk3yso tis just being odd again17:35
NooBmonk3ychecked permissions and they are all ok17:35
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MohammadAGyou just need to run qmake17:36
NooBmonk3yooo random17:36
NooBmonk3ysurely cd builddir && qmake-qt4 PREFIX=/usr ../$(APPNAME).pro does that?17:37
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MohammadAGjust noticed that17:37
MohammadAGright click the project name and hit run qmake17:38
MohammadAGthough it shouldn't really need that17:38
NooBmonk3yran fine17:38
NooBmonk3ystill errors when i try to run on device17:38
MohammadAGwhich are?17:39
NooBmonk3ysame as before17:39
NooBmonk3y:-1: error: Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 217:39
NooBmonk3y+ error i pastebinned17:39
MohammadAGyou can't run that on device o_O17:40
NooBmonk3ylol i could last night lol17:40
GAN9001919 Model T in the parking lot.17:41
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GAN900Guy drove it on the interstate to get here. <_<17:41
MohammadAGyou can't run dpkg-buildpackage on the device17:41
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, ?17:42
NooBmonk3yi click run on the pc17:42
NooBmonk3yand it does its stuff then shoves it to the device17:42
NooBmonk3yworked 1000's of times before, tis odd17:42
MohammadAGit doesn't shove to the device, it fails before that17:43
NooBmonk3yyeah :|17:43
MohammadAGclean project (right click, click clean)17:43
MohammadAGthen right click, qmake17:43
MohammadAGand run again17:43
NooBmonk3yyeah mad dpkg-buildpackage -sa _S works ine, and autobuilder etc working fine17:43
NooBmonk3ysame error17:44
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MohammadAGask Venemo I suppose, I hate Qt Creator's packaging scheme17:46
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alteregoTV + XBox :)17:51
MohammadAGalterego, any ideas if this can be used with Qt?
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alteregoAh, I use the zoom keys in columbus17:52
alteregoWould you like to know how? :)17:52
otwieraczO have problem with Piding at my n810 with OS2008 - I'm getting ping timeout and I'm unable to reconnect (still „Connecting…”) - network works, other apps like web browser too17:52
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MohammadAGalterego, sure :D17:53
otwieraczAnybody have the same problem?17:53
otwieraczWhat can be wrong?17:53
alteregoMohammadAG: it's basically two functions you need to implement/call in your MAinWindow17:53
alteregoI'll stick them in pastie17:53
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alteregoCopy those to functions.17:55
alteregoThen in your MAinWindow call setupX11Keys()17:56
alteregoAnd put the code you want for each key in the keyPressEvent, which will magically get called from now on ;)17:56
MohammadAGerr, up/down is F7/F8?17:56
alteregoYes, but they only get processed by Qt after you setup that X11 property.17:57
GAN900alterego, your colors are hateful.17:57
alteregoGAN900: I know :P17:57
alteregoI'm concentrating on getting it working nicely, UI abstracts first.17:58
alteregoThen eye candy later.17:58
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RST38hMoo GAN90018:00
GAN900Howdy, RST38h.18:00
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lcuk_ideayo rm_you \o18:19
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rm_youhey lcuk18:24
rm_youor, lcuk_idea18:24
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rm_youdo you have an idea? :P18:24
rm_youhaving a job is ridiculous >_> very bad for productivity18:25
lcuk_idearm_you, i have an ideapad running meego :P18:25
rm_youah :P18:25
chem|stwhat a waste....18:25
lcuk_ideachem|st, hm?18:26
rm_youhow was Dublin?18:26
rm_youI assume you went18:26
lcuk_ideadublin was awesome indeed18:26
rm_youI would have gone and just paid for it myself if I could have gotten the time off18:26
rm_youeven unpaid time off... <_<18:26
rm_youI'm working for a major Oil&Gas company18:27
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* lcuk_idea nods18:27
lcuk_ideayou produce enough gas so it was only a matter of  time18:27
lcuk_ideawhat are you actually doing for them?18:28
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GAN900Filtering oil through your teeth?18:28
lcuk_ideaGAN900, did the gulf spill ever get near your end18:30
GAN900Not where I love18:30
GAN900Thanks to the shelf and currents.18:30
GAN900Er, live*.18:31
lcuk_ideathats good then :) so those little alien helmet creatures are still around18:31
* GAN900 does love it here, though.18:31
GAN900Though spawning season was during the summer.18:32
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lcuk_ideahow do i get the sticker off this computer without damaging it, i have no finger nails18:34
GAN900Find someone with fingernails?18:34
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lcuk_ideagood idea18:34
* lcuk_idea hollers tracy18:34
alteregolcuk_idea: been working on a modular lirc front end in QML today.18:37
alteregoIt's working really nicely :)18:37
alteregoThe basic idea is, it has a nice hideable list, which shows all the remotes you've got configured in your lircd.conf file.18:38
alteregoThen when you select one, it loads a .qml file which can fire off the button press events.18:38
alteregoSimple, no support for irexec/batch operations.18:39
lcuk_ideaalterego, yeah i have had remote control working happily for last 2 years18:39
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lcuk_ideacan you make one that looks like this:18:40
lollooeeeww am using a bad theme on my N90018:40
lollooWHITE !!!18:40
alteregoWell, the idea of doing in QML, means it's _really_ easy for anyone to write their own custom remote UIs18:40
alteregolcuk_idea: that'd be easy :P18:41
lcuk_ideaalterego, remember what we talked about before about buttons in qml and tinting the colors18:41
lcuk_ideai used the calculator as example then18:41
alteregolcuk_idea: this is what I hve without any eye-candification:
lcuk_ideathis is same principle18:41
rm_youlcuk_idea: I work on their identity management system18:41
lcuk_ideacool beans alterego18:41
lcuk_ideabut do they rotate?18:42
lolloocandification LOL18:42
alteregolcuk_idea: that's for my xbox and TV :)18:42
lcuk_ideai can flip the one I have land/port18:42
lcuk_idearm_you, oooh18:42
alteregolcuk_idea: well, the IR emitter is on the top, so portrait support I'm not going to bother with.18:42
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lcuk_ideaalterego, my remote control works on n81018:42
lcuk_ideaand n90018:42
lcuk_ideaand ideapad18:42
lcuk_ideaand talks to my desktop machine18:42
lcuk_ideaover tcp18:42
alteregoI my add support for it, because I guess with an emitter connected to the network it doesn't matter right?18:42
alteregoYeh, exactly. It's just the only emitter I hve is in the N900 ;)18:43
lcuk_ideano emitter in this case i control media player on windows18:43
alteregoh, right18:43
lcuk_ideai have a tiny deamon that runs18:43
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lcuk_ideai can muck around with video control whilst i am on other side of the world18:43
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* MohammadAG wonders how to do this in Qt system("dmesg | grep PSFreedom > /var/tmp/.tempdmesg");18:49
MohammadAGcleanly, without a system()18:49
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alteregoSomething wrong with system? :P18:50
MohammadAGit spawns a shell18:51
MohammadAGand it's not native Qt :P18:51
MohammadAGI could probably use QString::remove(), but idk how Qt regexes work18:52
BCMMthat's OK, there's no cross-platform way to read the kernel ring buffer18:53
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MohammadAGstill, it spawns a shell18:53
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MohammadAGnice example:  QRegExp rx("^\\d\\d?$");    // match integers 0 to 9918:54
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BCMMMohammadAG: yes, the smiley was supposed to convey that i don't really think that that makes it OK to implement it in Bourne19:08
BCMMclearly, you want to write a small FORTRAN program and call taht19:08
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* MohammadAG grumbles, takes out a knife :P19:10
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ibansal_hi all19:11
ibansal_can anyone help me in installing maemo on ubuntu 9.10 build on virtual box19:12
infoboti heard maemosdk is
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ibansal_infobot, thanks19:14
infobotbitte, ibansal_19:14
BCMMbut knives are even more likely to end badly than regexps19:14
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PaulyRawRR lol19:25
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blackthorneit`s impressive how am I so happy with my new n90019:32
blackthorneeven though I can`t find the apps that i really need19:32
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blackthorneand the battery lifetime is really limited19:33
SpeedEvilIt depends what you do with it.19:35
SpeedEvilIf you avoid 3G internet use, then your battery life can go up quite a lot19:35
MohammadAGI traded batteries with a classmate, his battery was a new one, got 14 hours with constant wifi19:36
MohammadAGI don't get that much with any of my 3 batteries19:36
haltdefI'm hoping meego takes off, lots of third party software then19:36
BCMMblackthorne: what apps do you really need?19:37
mikki-kunblackthorne: battery will always be an issue as long as no portable atomic fusion is possible in a small micro-cell19:38
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mikki-kunMohammadAG: you got bad quality batteries?19:39
mikki-kunhappened to me 3 times with my batts from dell19:40
mikki-kunbad cache of cells i guess19:40
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MohammadAGdoubt it19:40
MohammadAGthere's another N900 in class, it doesn't get 14h19:41
mikki-kunso his n900 got the 14 hours?19:42
blackthorneBCMM: eBay and twitter19:42
mikki-kunmaybe he is not running anything in background19:42
mikki-kun*pointing at microB*19:42
BCMMblackthorne: those are websites...19:42
mikki-kunwe have that one for that :)19:42
BCMMwhat mikki-kun said19:42
BCMMalso, i'm pretty sure there are multiple twitter clients19:43
SpeedEvilI get - idle - about 110 hours.19:43
mikki-kunwe have the best browser on the market, why should we need an app for that then? (except for some flash-websites i admit which are otherwise killing your cpu-performance pretty hard)19:43
MohammadAGmikki-kun, no, his battery gets 14 hours19:43
SpeedEvilOr 4-5 days19:43
MohammadAGI was using it in my device19:43
SpeedEvilLogged into wifi with ssh up19:44
mikki-kunBCMM: problem is they are not good at "search"19:44
mikki-kunbuggy or unwanted results coming up pretty often i read19:44
BCMMblackthorne: ok, there are a stupid number of twitter clients, do you not have extras or something?19:44
BCMMas for an ebay app, what on earth is that when it isn't a web browser?19:44
MohammadAGprobably an iPhone convert, that thing has apps for everything19:45
mikki-kuni think he suspects getting faster loading times19:45
BCMMMohammadAG: i'm still not sure *how* there manage to be apps of websites19:45
BCMMare they all just shovelware that embeds a web browsing widget that's pointed at a stripped-down version of the site?19:45
SpeedEvilBCMM: esniper19:45
MohammadAGthe same as the big website, with things in one list19:45
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SpeedEvilesniper is very useful - it's a lightweight ebay sniping tool.19:46
BCMMSpeedEvil: ooh, didn't know they permitted taht19:46
BCMM probably wouldn't wanna do that over 3g...19:46
SpeedEvilIt should actually compile with no issue at all on n90019:46
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SpeedEvilBCMM: Well - if you have a reliable connection.19:47
BCMMit says ebay does try to block bots19:47
SpeedEvilI buy most things on ebay using it.19:47
BCMMbut doesn't have rules against automated sniping? wth?19:47
pupnikty for the tip SpeedEvil19:48
SpeedEvilOh - right19:48
mikki-kunnice to see something like that floating around... if i'd just need that though ^^19:48
corecodeany idea how to implement a libsharing service in python?19:48
mikki-kunbut will keep that in mind19:48
SpeedEvilI've not hit any captcha19:48
SpeedEvilI see it's recent.19:49
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SpeedEvilI'm not getting any requests ofr captcaha - maybe my account is 'reliable19:51
mikki-kunmaybe you've been long enough @ ebay they know you being not a bot19:53
mikki-kunÖ.ö why do i refer to "at" with @? Ö.ö either i am starting to compress information via symbols or my coffee levels are really low19:54
JakDaRippai have the nokia n900. no sim card. using wifi. i have a pay skype account. i haven't been able to sms successfully. do i need a valid sim card to do this?19:55
SpeedEvilmikki-kun: twitter19:55
mikki-kunSpeedEvil: i am not using that one19:56
SpeedEvilSMS can be done over skype?19:56
mikki-kunand never thought about getting one19:56
SpeedEvilmikki-kun: @foo is a twitterism.19:56
SpeedEvilYou definately need a valid SIM to send normal SMSs19:56
JakDaRippaSpeedEvil, i'm only able to msg other skype users.19:56
mikki-kunJakDaRippa: i am not sure if skype-sms has been implemented to the n90019:57
SpeedEvilWell - I think there are some pilots that enable SMS to 91119:57
SpeedEvilwhich may work without but...19:57
* RST38h ran powertop with and without skype account connected, and compared results. Freaking shiiiiiiiiiiiiii....19:57
andre__JakDaRippa: comments 4 and 519:58
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trumeeRST38h: how about sip?20:00
mikki-kunRST38h: care to tell the difference?20:00
pupniki assume skype chewed up battery20:01
* trumee has his skype disabled. Only cares about sip calls.20:02
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BCMMtrumee: i had some trouble with SIP - can you recommend a provider?20:04
mikki-kunpupnik: yeah, that's what i think as well, but just how much more is my queston ^^20:04
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pupnik19:00 < paulguy> I wonder if any porn magazines use latex for their typesetting.20:04
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trumeeBCMM: plenty. Try voiptalk.org20:04
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BCMMwhy on earth is that a .org?20:05
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trumeeBCMM: or
trumeeBCMM: its a uk based provider, no idea whey use .org20:05
trxwhat package do i need to install in order to use mysql client library?20:07
BCMMtrumee: thanks20:07
trumeeBCMM: np20:07
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trxdoes anyone know what package do i need in order to use mysql?20:26
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lcuktrx, at a guess, one of the mysql packages..20:30
lcukeek @ that uber url20:30
trxi cant see them in extras-devel repo20:34
trxthank you20:34
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apicHello everybody.20:44
Venemohello apic20:44
apicSomehow my eMMC stopped working. Can I somehow "cold format" it while booted?20:44
apicMost applications also lack RAM now...20:44
apicI failed my attempts at reflashing the vanilla thingy too20:45
apicJust the 256 MB integrated RAM now, not the whole gig... :-(20:45
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apicWhat device on /dev should it get? I just see my microSD card at /dev/mmcblk1 now. Should it get assigned /dev/mmcblk0?20:46
apicdmesg tells me something about a corractable ECC error..20:46
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, figured it out..........20:48
NooBmonk3y2 QT creator versions on my computer!!! and it keeps loading the old one rather than the new one!20:48
SpeedEvilapic: no - they are hardware, not logical addresses20:49
SpeedEvilapic: Unfortunately, some people have had hardware failures of the emmc.20:50
MohammadAGremove the one installed by ubuntu20:50
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  will do :p - just wanna make sure i do the right one!20:51
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luke-jrapic: there is only 256 MB RAM,  not a gig21:06
apicOk, so I'll just buy a big SDHC card and use mmcblk1 instead of mmcblk0 for swap21:07
apicWhat capacity can it cope with as a maximum?21:08
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SpeedEvilapic: 16G21:08
apicOk, thanks.21:08
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SpeedEvilapic: the normal software stack as I understand it will not work without the mmc21:08
SpeedEvilyou'd need to patch it in some way21:09
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, 32GB works21:12
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trumeeMohammadAG: any idea if Power Kernel has pulse-audio patches?21:14
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MohammadAGnot that I know of, no21:15
MohammadAGand pulseaudio is userspace21:15
MohammadAGnot kernelspace21:15
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: no PA patched in kernel-power21:15
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e-yeshi all. is there simple way to get is power supply connected or not using gpio? (in kernel)21:17
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SpeedEvile-yes: why?21:20
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SpeedEvile-yes: You can, but you probably9 don't want to do it that way.21:21
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SpeedEvilUnless you're writing a bootloader21:21
SpeedEvil#maemo-hostmode-discussion may be of use to you. Look at the links in the topic21:21
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e-yesSpeedEvil, i can't use i2c (other drivers/userland soft fail if i open i2c device in kernel). Also using /sys is not good idea (afaik no way to use it except opening as files). Thx for invite, however, I've added m-h-d channel to favorites;)21:26
* e-yes looking for best way for "int is_ac_connected(void)" implementation. (I need it for pda_power integration)21:28
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NooBmonk3yanyone managed to get QAudioDeviceInfo::availableDevices displaying anything on the n900?21:53
NooBmonk3ytried about 4 months ago, and same result today :( - nothing found :(21:53
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NooBmonk3yahhhhhhhh ffs "The low level audio classes (including QAudioInput) are not supported on maemo 5/N900. If Qt Mobility 1.1.1 or later is released for N900 that may change."21:57
NooBmonk3yeverytime i dig deeper into qtmobility i get shot back :(21:57
Jay_BEEnot cool at all21:58
MohammadAGisn't 1.2 out?21:59
NooBmonk3ynot mobility22:00
NooBmonk3y1.1 is22:00
NooBmonk3y1.1.1 isnt22:00
NooBmonk3ybut out and out for maemo seems to be a different thing22:00
Jay_BEEeven though they consider maemo5 a tier 1 platform22:01
* MohammadAG gives NooBmonk3y a hint22:01
MohammadAGhave a look at its source22:01
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GAN900Why do crazy people think I want to hear their crazy theories.22:01
GAN900Great, so the mantle is full of water and "highly volatile" carbon.22:01
RST38hBecause they ran out of other opportunities?22:02
SpeedEvile-yes: what do you mean by that. There are allied projects perhaps.22:03
crashanddiewhat are the good websites / leads for IT jobs in the US?22:04
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NooBmonk3ymeh, doesnt quite do what i want22:04
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MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, I said source, not binary22:06
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, i am lol22:07
NooBmonk3yits calling what it needs diectly22:07
NooBmonk3yi'm trying to call all available input/outputs22:07
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NooBmonk3yaccording to qt, pulseaudio seems to be playing around, again.......22:08
GAN900How does the clock's "Update automatically" setting get turned off. . . .22:08
GAN900crashanddie, moving to the US?22:08
SpeedEvilMove to the UK22:08
andre__GAN900, clicking on the digits of the clock. Totally non-intuitive.22:08
crashanddieGAN900: nha, trying to help out a friend22:08
GAN900andre__, love it.22:08
crashanddieGAN900: he got inspired by my success story moving to the UK, so he thought he'd do the same with NY22:09
crashanddieproblem is, the guy wouldn't be able to explain what the difference between UDP and TCP is22:09
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DocScrutinizertrumee: (no PA patches) the more interesting it'll be to find what actually causes the problem22:11
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: that will be more trick if i dont know which patch to leave out in kernel-power22:12
DocScrutinizer51binary dissect22:14
DocScrutinizer51include (a reasonably selected) 'half' of all the patches22:15
trumeels -l patches/|wc -l  > 40 patches22:16
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MohammadAGis there a way to make tar use all cores?22:16
DocScrutinizer51trumee: after 5 kernels to test you know which patch it's been22:18
DocScrutinizer51maybe 622:19
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* MohammadAG needs a scratchbox with an epically fast internet connection22:27
MohammadAGshort for ^ cba to upload 67MBs cause t-tan is lazy to do it himself22:27
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (multithreaded tar) probably not, esp for compressing22:31
DocScrutinizerall threads need to operate on one dictionary22:32
DocScrutinizerwell, that's actually the gz part22:32
DocScrutinizerthe tar part even works on one output file, while tar'ing22:33
MohammadAGnah, I want it for decompressing22:34
DocScrutinizerthat's quite easy: have several tar instances extracting one of the files22:34
MohammadAGPSFreedom's modules don't play well with headers, they need the whole kernel compiled, so I need kernel-power-source as a package22:35
MohammadAGso I could build depend on it22:35
MohammadAGsadly, t-tan thinks it's too much work, so I'm maintaining it separately22:35
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DocScrutinizerdefinitely suboptimal management of the sources22:35
MohammadAGalso, broadcom isn't helping, it went down from 490+ kbps (2 minute download) to 14 or something22:36
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MohammadAGoh nice, 1h24m22:38
MohammadAGfuck you broadcom22:38
DocScrutinizerif pk was based on stock repository, you'd not see such problems22:39
DocScrutinizerin a proper git tree I mean22:39
MohammadAGhe told me he removed the crap manually :/22:39
MohammadAGso he actually made it worse on purpose22:39
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DocScrutinizerhmm, no clue how to patch out a whole file then?22:40
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crashanddiepatch out a whole file?22:40
DocScrutinizerversus "remove crap by hand"22:41
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crashanddiepatch only applies a diff to a file22:41
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DocScrutinizerso the diff has a lot of - lines then?22:42
crashanddieI guess you're better off just patching out the whole file, and then remove empty files22:42
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crashanddieat least as many as the original22:43
crashanddieor commenting out, I guess22:43
MohammadAGno, he's not using a diff22:43
MohammadAGhe removed them from the source22:43
crashanddieI'm lost22:45
MohammadAGstock kernel's source makes a kernel-source package, he removed the lines in debian/control and debian/rules that do so22:46
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DocScrutinizer51we need a clean alternative - at very least for h-e-n22:49
crashanddieMohammadAG: that still didn't explain what the problem was...22:49
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, I can't apt-get source from a debian/rules file22:51
MohammadAGI need to depend on a .deb package, and I need both kernels since maemo lacks dkms22:51
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