IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-12-04

alterego	Wow, found anothing new function, this one looks like some kind of system menu.	00:00
NooBmonk3y	lol alterego	00:00
trumee	MohammadAG, any clue why even the stock .config wont boot up?	00:02
alterego	This is fun :D	00:02
fladnag	Ha i checkt for the first time since a week orso for cpufrequi-mhz-config and the frequenzys higherthan 600 ARE BACK :D	00:02
* NooBmonk3y is exhausted		00:03
fladnag	Without doing anything but a restart jesterday ..:)	00:04
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fladnag	Do you know if its dangerous to use hdd,s usbsticks while im on 900mhz oc ?	00:05
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DocScrutinizer	yes,	00:07
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fladnag	Ohshit	00:09
fladnag	What should i do	00:09
fladnag	Instead	00:09
fladnag	?	00:09
fladnag	Please	00:09
fladnag	:)	00:09
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* javispedro lols		00:10
RevdKathy	Goodnight all	00:10
javispedro	my n900 refuses to shutdown using systemui because "it is connected to a host computer and in use"	00:10
NooBmonk3y	night RevdKathy	00:10
alterego	This is so much better than my factory remote	00:10
NooBmonk3y	:) :)	00:10
javispedro	of course, not even the cable is plugged in =)	00:10
javispedro	gnite RevdKathy !	00:10
alterego	I'm gonna have to wrap this in a nice UI	00:10
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fladnag	Pleeease	00:12
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fladnag	???	00:12
fladnag	To prevent something bad tomy n900baby	00:12
fladnag	??? With hen & oc ?????	00:13
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alterego	This is so much fun :D	00:15
alterego	I never thought I'd see the IR working, but this is really cool.	00:18
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nox-	did you `record' another remote or did you find an already ready config?	00:20
nox-	(i know n900 cant record itself...)	00:20
alterego	I wrote a script that cycles through all the ir configurations (which I downloaded from the lirc site)	00:20
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nox-	oh haha	00:21
alterego	It found a remote that shared the same POWER function	00:21
javispedro	heh	00:21
alterego	So now I'm remapping that configuration file for my TV	00:21
* javispedro rembers one of those off-the-shelf universal remotes		00:21
alterego	During the process I've found several menus that my TV remote can't do.	00:21
alterego	There's a few shortcuts to sub menus as well, that's not on the factory remote.	00:21
nox-	nice :)	00:22
alterego	There's something odd with '2' though	00:22
alterego	It selects channel 1 normally, but when sent as "1 2" it selects channel 12 perfectly :/	00:23
fladnag	Ok but thankyou anyway	00:24
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NooBmonk3y	LOL!	00:26
NooBmonk3y	This chief exec thing... ie, her following me on twitter is getting kinda scary!	00:27
NooBmonk3y	her last tweet, in reply to me saying almost time for xmas shopping was ........ @gregjroberts Go to @OxfamGB and buy them all a goat ;-)	00:27
javispedro	ah, the world of twitter.	00:27
NooBmonk3y	lol tis kinda funny	00:27
NooBmonk3y	she's one of the few people i know personally on twitter and its kinda funny	00:28
saltsa_	how do I find out from python script in which network phone is connected (3g, 3,5g, 2g)?	00:28
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NooBmonk3y	saltsa_, check the current healthcheck code in extras i think it says	00:28
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NooBmonk3y	actually very sure it does	00:29
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NooBmonk3y	just displays hsdpa etc.... so you may need to translate	00:29
NooBmonk3y	(dont use the devel code, as it's not python lol)	00:29
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trumee	i dont seem to have any modules.xx files (modules.symbols, modules.dep,modules.ccwmap etc) in my /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom. Could that be the reason why it is failing?	00:41
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trumee	javispedro: any idea?	00:46
javispedro	depmod -a generates modules.dep	00:48
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trumee	javispedro: what about other modules.xx files in /lib/modules, are they required?	00:49
NooBmonk3y	night alls :)	00:49
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trumee	javispedro: i tried to build a custom kernal WITHOUT any changes to the .config of the stock kernel. But this custom kernel causes a reboot loop to happen.	00:50
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trumee	The difference in the module directory of the -custom kernel and stock kernel are the missing modules.xx files.	00:51
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javispedro	no idea about the other files.	00:58
mikki-kun	hi there, can somebody tell me what u-boot is?	00:58
mikki-kun	i've now seen it a couple of times but i can't kind of get what it is used for... is it anoother boot manager?	00:59
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trumee	javispedro: depmod -a will generate dependencies only for the running kernel. What about the kernel which is not running.	01:06
javispedro	read man page	01:06
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* ShadowJK now has a 48.84Wh external battery :>		01:12
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ShadowJK	weighs about twice what N900 weighs	01:15
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alterego	Heh	01:18
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trumee	javispedro, DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG: yay! it works. Had to remove backupmenu and do a depmod -a 2.6.28-custom. and now it boots fine. Thank you	01:18
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ShadowJK	actually the cables weigh about as much as n900	01:21
mikki-kun	ShadowJK: where did you get yours from?! Ö.ö	01:21
* ShadowJK should probably not have used 2.5mm^2...		01:22
ShadowJK	I just built it out of rc hobby parts :-)	01:22
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javispedro	next step: build your own nuclear reactor :)	01:24
ShadowJK	I've been googling a bit about thermelectric power generation	01:25
mikki-kun	how about a portable hydrogen cell? we are in desperate need of that	01:26
ShadowJK	The ready kits seem to cost alot	01:26
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javispedro	hybrid power!	01:26
ShadowJK	but i guess those kits are built out of something else than the cheap elements you find on ebay :/	01:26
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GAN900	Isn't it terrible how much acceptable quality costs?	01:28
mikki-kun	GAN900: depending on how long it lives.... no	01:29
javispedro	acceptable quality costs???	01:31
* javispedro keeps banging at the lenovo		01:31
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alterego	Now, I wonder if I can get the N900 to work as a replacement for my laptop's IR remote.	01:35
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javispedro	I'd use lirc on the desktop to get codes	01:36
javispedro	(with a proper receiver ofc)	01:38
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DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: you actually MUST use 2.5mm^2 minimum, to keep parasitary resistance low	02:02
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ShadowJK	for 1m, 11.1V and maybe 500mA? :P	02:05
DocScrutinizer	(IR RX) or use a 3.5mm 4pin plug, and solder a 2k from ring3 to tip(ring1), and a phototransistor or photodiode from rting1 to ring4(GND)	02:05
DocScrutinizer	11.1V?? O.o 500mA??	02:05
DocScrutinizer	I thought you were talking about a true battery replacement, which mustn't have >100mR series parasitary	02:06
DocScrutinizer	preferably less	02:07
DocScrutinizer	and usually is like 4V @ 5A bursts	02:07
DocScrutinizer	our battery dummies at OM had a cable consisting of 40 1.5mm^2 braided for low inductive parasitary	02:09
DocScrutinizer	maybe 30, I never really counted them, but it was quite impressive	02:10
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ShadowJK	No I have a 11.1V 4400mAh battery pack and some stuff to produce 5.35V 3A :-)	02:14
ShadowJK	and a usb port with d+/d- shorted :D	02:14
chx	oooooo	02:14
DocScrutinizer	aaah, so I suppose you connect this to the USB then	02:14
chx	is that commercailly available?	02:14
DocScrutinizer	chx: yes, Reisenweber Special Supply, built to order	02:15
chx	hahaha	02:15
ShadowJK	lol	02:15
ShadowJK	I don't have a good charger for it	02:16
ShadowJK	my 11.1V LiPo balance charger only outputs 800mA :P	02:16
DocScrutinizer	:-S	02:16
trumee	anybody knows what Joikuspot Bouncer in Titans kernel does?	02:16
DocScrutinizer	you should charge each cell separately	02:16
ShadowJK	DocScrutinizer, the charge plug has 4 wires and the charger takes 4 wires. Guess what it does	02:17
DocScrutinizer	could use a SPSM with 3 * 5V output 100W, plus 3 dedicated Li charger chips	02:17
DocScrutinizer	:-)	02:18
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ShadowJK	that's why it's called a "balance charger"	02:18
DocScrutinizer	trumee: burp what?	02:18
ShadowJK	It's probably Joikuspot's opensource kernel module rebuilt for titan's kernel?	02:19
trumee	was wondering if it will be possible to run Joikuspot on my custom kernel (stock +NAT support).	02:20
DocScrutinizer	meh, yoghurt sport	02:20
DocScrutinizer	a solution invented for systems unaware of proper WLAN management, backported to a system that has native such management	02:21
DocScrutinizer	it's like towing away a ferrari as you forgot it has a starter button	02:23
DocScrutinizer	"See! I made it roll!"	02:23
trumee	DocScrutinizer: since i paid for the app. might as well use it :)	02:25
DocScrutinizer	yeah, go use your rope, when you paid for it. Wait, didn't you pay for your Ferrari as well?	02:26
nox-	whats this Joikuspot do, the same as mobilehotspot?	02:27
DocScrutinizer	I wish I could say "good, at least it doesn't wear out the Ferrari engine that way" but...	02:27
DocScrutinizer	trumee: maybe you can sell it on ebay? :-P	02:28
DocScrutinizer	nox-: basically yes, at least the purpose is the same	02:28
nox-	i c	02:29
nox-	well mobilehotspot is in the repos	02:29
trumee	DocScrutinizer: I dont even have the deb file for it. Installed it directly from joikuspot website.	02:29
nox-	needs kernel-power tho afaik	02:29
trumee	nox-: never installed mobilehotspot.	02:29
DocScrutinizer	sure. Otherwise it might delete your beloved yoghurt	02:30
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DocScrutinizer	and as you not even got a file to reinstall it... X-P	02:30
trumee	nox-: dislike kernel-power, puslse-audio eats too much cpu on it.	02:30
nox-	well i guess you could make a custom kernel with just the wifi ap mode bits... (has anyone?)	02:31
DocScrutinizer	that's probably no generic pk problem, but related to some odd patch to PA itself	02:31
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DocScrutinizer	that comes with pk	02:31
nox-	oh	02:32
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DocScrutinizer	I can't see how PA cpu load is related to kernel	02:33
DocScrutinizer	I suspect that's the "no more stuttering" patch	02:33
DocScrutinizer	would fit	02:33
nox-	what patch is that?	02:33
trumee	DocScrutinizer: i dont know, the whole reason i made my own kernel today was because of that issue	02:33
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: stock kernel + NAT is what i wanted. Kernel-power did fit the bill, but pathetic cpu usage put me off.	02:34
DocScrutinizer	nox-: ask MohammadAG - he did several tests on that patch, and afaik he was first to do	02:34
trumee	DocScrutinizer: and now with my own kernel, i dont have this problem any more.	02:34
chx	while there are many disadvantages to joikuspot tying it to IMSI is the stupidest thing. ever.	02:34
DocScrutinizer	great, so you could check which patch introduces this problem for your own kernel - would be a rather appreciated analysis	02:35
DocScrutinizer	IMSI????	02:36
DocScrutinizer	you mean IMEI?	02:36
DocScrutinizer	tying anything to IMSI really would be a mega-stupid thing	02:37
chx	DocScrutinizer: IMSI. Not IMEI.	02:38
DocScrutinizer	as IMSI changes on each registration at carrier network	02:38
trumee	DocScrutinizer: The past few hours have been very exhausting getting the kernel to work. Dont have the energy to break my kerne again.	02:38
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BugBlue	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Subscriber_Identity v.s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Equipment_Identity	02:38
DocScrutinizer	err, nope	02:38
DocScrutinizer	anyway it changes with SIM swap	02:38
chx	yes.	02:38
chx	correct.	02:38
BugBlue	ISMI is tied to the SIM, IMEI is tied to the hardware	02:39
DocScrutinizer	OMFG	02:39
trumee	DocScrutinizer: The kernel compilation is very slow using, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b. is it possible to use multiple core during the compile?	02:39
chx	they tied it to SIM	02:39
BugBlue	if you get a replacement sim you het a new IMSI	02:39
BugBlue	hashtag: #epicfail	02:39
DocScrutinizer	what a crop of fools	02:39
DocScrutinizer	trumee: sure it is. but then otoh, changing e.g. PA related config options will not rebuild the kernel AIUI, just a very low number of modules	02:40
chx	it is possible that only the trial was	02:41
chx	there is a lot of confusion out there	02:41
trumee	DocScrutinizer: can i do Make="make -j3" fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b to speed-up compilation?	02:42
chx	http://www.joiku.com/index.php?action=messages&mode=view&title_id=716 says Switching SIM cards is supported automatically so no license transfer needed there.	02:42
DocScrutinizer	yoghurt sport IS confusion, the whole operation principle is based on confusion	02:42
DocScrutinizer	trumee: nfc. looks good to me if it works like that	02:42
DocScrutinizer	anyway yoghurt sport is known to literally cok your device medium to welldone	02:44
DocScrutinizer	cook*	02:44
chx	heh it baked my E51 too	02:45
chx	not much choice ther.e	02:45
DocScrutinizer	there's a reported batery fatality on yoghurt + OC	02:45
DocScrutinizer	caused by overheating the cell	02:46
chx	oh nice!	02:46
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DocScrutinizer	to me that's a clear indication those yoghurt devels had no bloody F'ng clue about correct programming	02:47
nox-	and that while mobilehotspot already exists...	02:48
DocScrutinizer	first commandment, you MUST NOT bussy wait	02:48
DocScrutinizer	busy	02:48
trumee	nox-: mobilehotspot doesnt heat up the device?	02:48
DocScrutinizer	I think it does as well, maybe a bit less	02:48
nox-	at least id doubt it would busywait	02:48
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chx	yeah, i guess just driving the wifi radio at top power for a prolonged time will cook the device	02:56
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trumee	DocScrutinizer, not entirely obvious which patch is related to PA in titans kernel	02:59
DocScrutinizer	trumee: :nod: A big problem	03:00
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javispedro	capacitive sucks.	03:00
DocScrutinizer	YO	03:00
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DocScrutinizer	the great alternative to a 16 key kbd phone	03:02
trumee	ah! my everyday router reboot kicked in.	03:02
DocScrutinizer	not though for doing serious work	03:02
trumee	need to reboot router everyday so that sip doesnt become choppy	03:02
javispedro	it is a great problem, as probably _ALL_ meego handsets are going to be capacitive...	03:02
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DocScrutinizer	hehe. No Probelm here, as DSL disconnects anyway every 24h. I could as well reboot the router, it wouldn't do any additional harm. NAT sessions are lost during DSL down	03:03
trumee	My cable connection is remarkably good.	03:04
DocScrutinizer	it's a joke. Originally this was invented to make IP change so you can't run proper server services via DSL. I got a fixed IP now, and still the 24h cut kicks in	03:05
nox-	eh? thats... sick	03:05
trumee	I think i had to adjust the udp timeout in my ddwrt based router to make sip happy.	03:05
nox-	24h disconnect with a static ip i mean...	03:05
DocScrutinizer	yes	03:05
DocScrutinizer	t-kom, suckers	03:06
nox-	whats the point????	03:06
nox-	all that does is making their static ip offering worthless	03:06
DocScrutinizer	their DSLAMs are configured to drop a connection after 24h. Even while my DHCP is by a separate provider now that offers fixed IP	03:07
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nox-	stupid	03:07
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DocScrutinizer	I pay 10 bucks / month to manitu, just for the fixed IP	03:08
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ShadowJK	mobilehotspot/joikuspot is pretty bad for energy use. wifi runs at a constant 250mA, and then the 3g to actually move bytes using 300-700mA...	03:08
DocScrutinizer	plus the usual fee for t-kom DSL	03:08
ShadowJK	and then joiku used to use 100% CPU to render its UI :)	03:08
nox-	haha	03:08
DocScrutinizer	MUAAABWAHAHA	03:08
ShadowJK	the pretty speed graph that is	03:09
nox-	omfg	03:09
DocScrutinizer	didn't I say "clueless idiots"	03:09
ShadowJK	I'm pretty sure they thought "Hmm.. so we made it work.. but what are we going to do about all this spare CPU and the big 800x480 display?"	03:09
DocScrutinizer	LOL	03:10
nox-	hahaha	03:10
DocScrutinizer	I hope they used it to render mandelbrot	03:10
DocScrutinizer	as a wallpaper for their GUI	03:10
ShadowJK	It's becoming a trend here for mobile ISPs to have massive "connectivity suites"	03:10
DocScrutinizer	means?	03:11
ShadowJK	Completely themed UI, sliding "Latest news" widgets attached to the main connectivity window, which is a big green button (like 512x512 px) to press to connect/disconnect	03:11
DocScrutinizer	eeeew	03:11
* DocScrutinizer feels like being exposed to a photo of george doublewho b. unadvertedly		03:12
DocScrutinizer	I.E. fighting the throw up	03:12
chx	oooh those are great	03:13
DocScrutinizer	BURP	03:14
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trumee	DocScrutinizer, what is the advantage of fixed ip?	03:17
nox-	connections stay up	03:19
nox-	or would...	03:19
trumee	dydns has been serving me for a few years now	03:19
DocScrutinizer	in theory it would allow me to have uninterupted connection to e.g. IRC. Alas as my NAT sessions go down on disconnect, the new port is not the old port so I have to re-register :-/	03:19
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javispedro	you're not in control of the NAT?	03:20
DocScrutinizer	esp with this braindead ZyXEL router/NAT even for assigned ports the outbound connection is from origin port != dedicated port	03:21
nox-	right if you ran that in bridge mode and have a `real' box do the nat...	03:22
nox-	then your links may stay up	03:23
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: I have port forward e.g public:5060->LAPTOP:5060. Still my SIP client on laptop, when opening localhost:5060->sipprovider:5060, gets a NAT outbound port of xy != 5060	03:23
javispedro	<zyxel-guy-who-designed-it>why you'd want?	03:23
javispedro	*want that	03:23
DocScrutinizer	yeah	03:23
DocScrutinizer	natisbad	03:24
* nox- oldschool, using freebsd for routing/nat...		03:24
* javispedro is also using a zyxel device natting to a fixed ip		03:24
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: the zyxel "OS" isn't really bad. But buggy. And incredibly hard to configure. And basically undocumented	03:26
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DocScrutinizer	and the WLAN, on using WPA, reboots the whole device every ~15min	03:27
javispedro	come to think of it	03:28
javispedro	I'm no longer using a zyxel.	03:28
javispedro	=)	03:28
javispedro	d-link dsl-something	03:28
DocScrutinizer	ZyXEL was awesome in the times of 2400baud modems	03:28
DocScrutinizer	or 9600	03:28
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* nox- only had a zyxel pots modem once, 16k8...		03:29
nox-	heh	03:29
DocScrutinizer	yep, those were the devices that made ZyXEL a name	03:29
nox-	once i got adsl i let a freebsd box do the nat/routing, and have ever since here	03:30
DocScrutinizer	bult in POTS phone, incl TAM and all	03:30
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DocScrutinizer	anyway... ""ZyNOS Firmware-Version: V3.40(AHS.2)b5 \| 05/25/2007"" -> SCREAM and run!	03:32
jacekowski	javispedro: you need STUN for that kind of crap	03:34
jacekowski	javispedro: and it's correct behaviour for NAT	03:35
DocScrutinizer	errr, hmm	03:35
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DocScrutinizer	STUN doesn't even work with ZyXEL class of NAT	03:36
jacekowski	but it shouldn't matter	03:36
jacekowski	as long you have port forwarding working	03:36
javispedro	what kind of crap?	03:37
DocScrutinizer	STUN fails with port forwarding, because... see above	03:37
javispedro	ah	03:37
jacekowski	that doesn't matter	03:37
jacekowski	it's RTP that's on 5060	03:37
DocScrutinizer	nope	03:37
jacekowski	and as long as external stuff can connect to you on that port	03:37
jacekowski	it's all you need	03:37
DocScrutinizer	it's SIP on 5060	03:37
DocScrutinizer	RTP is on arbitrary other ports	03:38
javispedro	jacekowski: that's actually my point -- "why you'd need it?".	03:38
javispedro	I could see a geek "Preferring" it	03:38
javispedro	(for ease of debugging, network monitoring, who knows)	03:38
DocScrutinizer	for sipgate e.g they suggest to use 5004..5007	03:39
DocScrutinizer	for RTP	03:39
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jacekowski	SIP is perfect example how not to design something to work reliably in real world	03:39
DocScrutinizer	actually the RTP ports are negotiated in SIP SDP	03:39
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: actually NAT is that perfect example	03:41
jacekowski	NAT was here long time before SIP	03:41
DocScrutinizer	so what? still natisbad	03:41
DocScrutinizer	and manufacturers never seem to read BEHAVE	03:42
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Pauly	hi i need help dont know what to do.	03:43
DocScrutinizer	http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4787.txt	03:43
Pauly	i bought a usb female to female	03:43
Pauly	and cant seem to get host mode working with any devices	03:44
DocScrutinizer	:-S	03:44
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DocScrutinizer	you are using most recent powerkernel, plus mohammad's GUI?	03:45
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DocScrutinizer	you got a memstick or whatever with a LED and that LED lights up on hitting "VBUS" button in GUI?	03:46
DocScrutinizer	you had a look into dmesg?	03:46
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Pauly	yes	03:46
Pauly	just reflashed a week ago	03:47
DocScrutinizer	what's your unmae -a ?	03:47
Pauly	so problebly up to date power kernel	03:47
DocScrutinizer	uname -a	03:47
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DocScrutinizer	just to make sure, also paste the result of >> cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc \|grep Options	03:50
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Pauly	i think i should reflash maybe and start over	03:51
DocScrutinizer	I think you shouldn't ask for help if you're not prepared to answer questions	03:51
Pauly	what do you mean?	03:52
Pauly	u never asked a question?	03:52
Pauly	oh sry didnt see	03:52
DocScrutinizer	ok, I gave commands which you didn't obey - if that's what you want to hear	03:53
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Pauly	yes a lil usb card reader lit up	03:53
Pauly	but nothing ever mounted	03:53
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Pauly	cant even get a keyboard to work	03:53
Pauly	:(	03:53
DocScrutinizer	[2010-12-04 02:46:14] <DocScrutinizer> you had a look into dmesg?	03:54
DocScrutinizer	[2010-12-04 02:47:22] <DocScrutinizer> what's your unmae -a ?	03:54
DocScrutinizer	[2010-12-04 02:47:26] <DocScrutinizer> uname -a	03:54
DocScrutinizer	[2010-12-04 02:50:11] <DocScrutinizer> just to make sure, also paste the result of >> cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc \|grep Options	03:55
nox-	Pauly, are you new to *ix?	03:55
Pauly	hold on trying to paste	03:56
Pauly	Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Thu Nov 18 17:04:59 EET 2010 armv7l unknown	03:56
DocScrutinizer	ok	03:57
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mikki-kun	Pauly: you know for what to look in dmesg?	03:58
Pauly	musb-dma, otg (peripheral+host), debug=0 [eps=12], version_hostmode=20101110	03:58
DocScrutinizer	good	03:59
DocScrutinizer	your h-e-n setup looks ok	03:59
Pauly	sry mouse cursor wouldnt let me type in this box	03:59
DocScrutinizer	you have most recent version of h-e-n installed?	04:00
Pauly	ya	04:00
DocScrutinizer	please try to connect a memory stick, then look into output of #> dmesg; and at end of that output search for lines containing "USB"	04:01
mikki-kun	DocScrutinizer: maybe lsusb could say then a lil more about if the cables are "working" when connected to the device he wants to use	04:01
DocScrutinizer	yep, also a possible way to check	04:01
mikki-kun	at least even if not mounted a device should say "hey i am here to talk to"	04:02
DocScrutinizer	yep	04:02
Pauly	well i know card reader lit up	04:02
DocScrutinizer	that doesn't mean much. It only indicates VBUS was procided from N900	04:02
mikki-kun	Pauly: faulty pins at the card-reader? had a bunch of those happenings in the past	04:02
mikki-kun	DocScrutinizer: but neither would lsusb tell more, then dmesg is needed for further info	04:03
DocScrutinizer	errr yes	04:03
mikki-kun	i overlooked the fact he stated it got lit up	04:03
Pauly	even a simple usb keyboard wouldnt work	04:03
Pauly	so dmsg?	04:03
DocScrutinizer	yep	04:04
DocScrutinizer	or lsusb	04:04
mikki-kun	Pauly: i'd go and check there	04:04
DocScrutinizer	or both	04:04
DocScrutinizer	Pauly: do a dmesg, remember last timestamp	04:04
DocScrutinizer	then plug in any device and start hostmode	04:04
mikki-kun	dmesg \| tail -n 30	04:04
DocScrutinizer	then do dmesg again and check the new lines	04:05
mikki-kun	that would sort the last 30 messages from dmesg	04:05
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DocScrutinizer	30 might be too small	04:05
DocScrutinizer	might be more easily	04:05
DocScrutinizer	like 50 or 70	04:05
mikki-kun	i reinserted my mouse and that got me 9 events with the disconnect	04:05
DocScrutinizer	I could give you a cmdline to do the lookup and sort out of new lines. But honestly it's easier you do it manually	04:06
Pauly	ok	04:06
Pauly	ima try keyboard	04:06
mikki-kun	ok, hdd gives me round 30 with partition tables and such...	04:06
DocScrutinizer	boot device, attach mouse, start h-e-n GUI, do dmesg for last line lookup, click the buttons in h-e-n GUI, check in dmesg for new lines	04:07
DocScrutinizer	Pauly: nota bene h-e-n isn't completely tested for stoping and restarting hostmode. That's why I recommend you boot and then do tests on first try	04:08
Pauly	i shall do so	04:09
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Pauly	thanks	04:09
DocScrutinizer	you might do a #>dmesg \| tail -n 100 >xxx.txt	04:09
mikki-kun	i guess i shall fo sleeping, again way too long awake, but this time getting to love my beautiful n900 more than hating it ^^ i guess i will soon use it for some emulators :)	04:10
DocScrutinizer	and pastebin that file xxx.txt and leave the pastebin URL here	04:10
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mikki-kun	DocScrutinizer: ">>" appends to the end of the file and might be better in case he wants to compare then later	04:10
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DocScrutinizer	I'd suggest he's using two files instead, if he really wants to compare anything	04:11
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mikki-kun	you want to get him using "touch file_3" diff -ru file_1 file2 >> file_3" ^^	04:12
DocScrutinizer	I meant he's doing the dmesg\|tail after trying to connect kbd though	04:12
mikki-kun	ahhh ok	04:12
mikki-kun	thought a before-after check	04:12
mikki-kun	to see if it even found anything	04:12
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DocScrutinizer	I'm not interested in anything before	04:12
DocScrutinizer	Pauly: you could do me a favour and close and reopen the N900 kbd slide immediately prior to hitting h-e-n GUI buttons	04:14
DocScrutinizer	will create a nice mark in dmesg	04:14
DocScrutinizer	then after trying to connect to the usb kbd, do the dmesg\|tail -n 100 >xxx.txt, and upload xxx.txt to pastebin.com or whatever service you like	04:16
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DocScrutinizer	~pastebin	04:16
infobot	[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.	04:16
javispedro	sigh.	04:16
pauly_	what was that cmd	04:16
javispedro	I think one service is enough	04:16
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: what's up?	04:16
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pauly_	Doc	04:17
DocScrutinizer	?	04:17
pauly_	what was that command i was supposed to type	04:17
DocScrutinizer	dmesg\|tail -n 100 >xxx.txt	04:17
pauly_	lol i rebooted and lost my clipboard	04:17
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DocScrutinizer	which will create a file xxx.txt, err mompls	04:18
DocScrutinizer	dmesg\|tail -n 100 >~user/MyDocs/xxx.txt	04:18
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DocScrutinizer	which will create a file xxx.txt on your "N900" MyDocs storage	04:19
DocScrutinizer	you should be able to upload that file to pastebin.com	04:19
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pauly_	didnt work	04:19
pauly_	can i paste here?	04:19
pauly_	[ 333.522705] WARNING: at /home/builder2/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/kernel-power-2.6.28/drivers/usb/musb/musb_host.c:128 musb_h_tx_flush_fifo+0x94/0xcc()n[ 333.522735] Could not flush host TX0 fifo: csr: 000a	04:20
pauly_	????	04:20
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DocScrutinizer	don't paste long passages here, everything >3 lines or so is considered spam and will earn you a kick	04:22
DocScrutinizer	pastebin.com is shit. has no file upload. I'm sure I've seen this option on other pastebin services	04:22
nox-	.ca has upload iirc	04:22
DocScrutinizer	pauly_: ignore that warning	04:23
DocScrutinizer	though itz's a serious WTF. just for the file path in it	04:23
DocScrutinizer	looks more like a kernel OOPS	04:24
pauly_	reinstall kernel power	04:25
pauly_	i think i should start there	04:25
DocScrutinizer	your kernel looks ok	04:25
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DocScrutinizer	no use in renstalling it	04:25
DocScrutinizer	it's a 'good' kernel (it is appropriate for that purpose) and it boots up	04:26
DocScrutinizer	so there's nothing a reflash could fix	04:27
DocScrutinizer	I hope you got no multiboot installed	04:27
pauly_	http://pastebin.ca/2010167	04:27
pauly_	no	04:27
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pauly_	havent tried that yet	04:27
DocScrutinizer	HELL - starts with a cut off kernel OOPS	04:28
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nox-	that musb_host.c really looks unhappy...	04:28
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javispedro	doesn't matter, it's duplicated	04:29
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lcuk	>>>>>>>>>> frals <<<<<<<<< i believe frals is our first download millionaire.	04:29
lcuk	well done dude :)	04:29
* javispedro claps		04:29
* ds3 wonders what is going to happen to all those 999,999 download bots ;)		04:30
DocScrutinizer	ouch, that's a really bad pathological case	04:30
DocScrutinizer	nox-: indeed	04:30
DocScrutinizer	pauly_: please update power kernel to latest, which afaik is >=47	04:30
DocScrutinizer	pauly_: this kernel indeed is bad, or you found a bug in hostmode	04:31
pauly_	ok lol	04:31
pauly_	my bad	04:32
pauly_	i think it is latest	04:32
pauly_	repository says it is	04:32
DocScrutinizer	nah, not at all. there shouldn't be no diffs between 46 and 47 wrt hostmode	04:32
pauly_	im lost???	04:33
* javispedro lols at some adobe cool-aid drinker in tmo		04:33
DocScrutinizer	pauly_: I'm actually not up to date what powerkernel does	04:33
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: ping	04:33
pauly_	so i should reflash?	04:34
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ds3	is there a powerkernel that does not cause one to loose features?	04:34
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DocScrutinizer	reinstall power kernel. Yes probably a good idea	04:34
pauly_	ok	04:34
pauly_	thank you	04:34
pauly_	ill do that now	04:34
DocScrutinizer	don't say thanks right now. I doubt this will cure the issue	04:35
pauly_	how to check which kernel i have?	04:35
pauly_	oh no lol	04:35
DocScrutinizer	uname -a	04:35
pauly_	thanks	04:35
DocScrutinizer	Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10power46	04:35
DocScrutinizer	you got pk46	04:35
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nox-	pauly_, are you using an usb hub?	04:36
DocScrutinizer	afaik there are newer ones	04:36
DocScrutinizer	nox-: why?	04:36
nox-	i dunno, maybe theres some bug...	04:36
nox-	(just guessing :)	04:37
DocScrutinizer	mhm	04:37
pauly_	no	04:37
nox-	do you get the same dmesg with different usb devices?	04:38
pauly_	gotta reboot lol just uninstalled kernel	04:38
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pauly_	so dont get 46	04:38
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pauly_	right	04:38
DocScrutinizer	pauly_: you tried with all three available speeds ? (lowspeed, fullspeed, highspeed)	04:39
pauly_	yes	04:39
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DocScrutinizer	:-S	04:39
pauly_	a wireless mouse	04:39
pauly_	keyboard	04:39
pauly_	and card reader all diff speeds	04:40
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nox-	hm how do you check hw revision again? maybe its related to that?	04:40
DocScrutinizer	pauly_: and you did click the buttons how exactly? please describe	04:41
pauly_	speed	04:42
pauly_	then vbus	04:42
pauly_	then enumerate	04:42
DocScrutinizer	which timing?	04:43
pauly_	all of them at diffrent times	04:44
pauly_	rebooting brb	04:44
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javispedro	heh	04:49
javispedro	on some spanish forum, someone suggested in a "n900 host mode tutorial", that the N8 usb host cable worked	04:49
javispedro	net result=tens of posters complaining they wasted €13	04:50
javispedro	ah, the wonders of third party "tutorials".	04:50
javispedro	on the positive side, someone also reported succesfully using a powered hub with 2 usb pendrives, keyboard and mouse.	04:51
DocScrutinizer	hehe	04:54
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DocScrutinizer	on "original forum" someone had a foto footage about filing off the excess corners of a N8 adapter to make it fit into a micro-B receptacle :-P	04:55
javispedro	hah, so this guy was not joking then	04:55
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iluminator101	whats a good units converter program for n900	04:56
javispedro	there was this python one... i think it was creatively called convert2 or th	04:56
mvenplus	javispedro, no I was not jokig it's working	04:57
javispedro	ah, but you're not the one I was thinking of.	04:58
javispedro	never mind.	04:58
mvenplus	adapter from N8 is working after proper modification on N900	04:59
javispedro	"physical" modification	04:59
mvenplus	yes 'physical'	04:59
ieatlint	agreed, "physical"	04:59
mvenplus	with file tool	05:00
javispedro	well, time to go	05:02
javispedro	cya fols	05:02
javispedro	*folks	05:02
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DocScrutinizer	mvenplus: you got the exact post URL? I can't find it anymore	05:05
DocScrutinizer	which in itself is incredible	05:05
mvenplus	DocScrutinizer will find it right away :)	05:12
iluminator101	how do i enable wireshark in n900 without being root	05:13
DocScrutinizer	err, not at all?	05:13
mvenplus	DocScrutinizer, here is http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=873725&postcount=364	05:14
DocScrutinizer	or maybe `sudo wireshart` is what you want to hear?	05:14
DocScrutinizer	mvenplus: thanks a lot	05:14
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mvenplus	DocScrutinizer, no problem men	05:15
Jay_BEE	hola	05:15
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iluminator101	i cant sign in google voice from n900, is there something i need to change?	05:35
iluminator101	i know the password and username is right i can sign on from pc	05:36
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smooph	hey i am trying to flash my n900 but its not working because ... I tried to install a program on which install the device hung and now every time i connect power its trying to fix the installation but won't ... flashing doesn't work because I cannot press the "u" key	05:41
ShadowJK	Why can you not press the u key?	05:41
DocScrutinizer51	besides pressing 'u' isn't strictly mandatory	05:43
smooph	i can press the key but its not going into flasher mode	05:43
DocScrutinizer51	start flasher, plug in the N900	05:43
DocScrutinizer51	ooh, then your battery is empty	05:43
smooph	yes very possible the battery is empty	05:44
smooph	but i cannot charge it	05:44
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smooph	everytime i plug in the charger the device starts and trys to fix the installation	05:45
smooph	i don't know what to do	05:45
DocScrutinizer51	it doesn't enetr charging mode when plugging unpowered device to wallcharger?	05:45
smooph	it starts charging but after a little while (2-5 min) it boots up the point where it trys to fix the failed installation	05:46
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smooph	and some time later dies again	05:46
DocScrutinizer51	hmmm	05:47
smooph	yes very hmmm	05:47
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DocScrutinizer51	tried to switch it off the very moment it boots after those 2-5min?	05:48
smooph	yes power button is not responding	05:49
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DocScrutinizer51	nasty	05:49
smooph	yes very	05:49
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smooph	I will go to bed now its almost 5 in the morning	05:50
smooph	and give it a fresh start tomorrow	05:50
smooph	gn8	05:50
DocScrutinizer51	if you remove the battery the very moment it boots	05:50
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smooph	I will try it tomorrow	05:51
DocScrutinizer51	then you bight be able to "hold 'u'" on next boot, which should be the one on plugin to flasher	05:51
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Termana	good morning	07:01
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, pong?	07:08
DocScrutinizer51	kernel	07:08
DocScrutinizer51	but forgot what exactly	07:08
MohammadAG	standard answer: RTFM	07:09
DocScrutinizer51	lol	07:09
MohammadAG	it's said that kernel-power is for power users	07:09
* MohammadAG looks up definition of power (adj.) in a t.m.o. dictionary		07:10
Termana	MohammadAG, you won't find it anywhere near t.m.o	07:10
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MohammadAG	-> see noobs (n.)	07:10
MohammadAG	figures	07:10
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ieatlint	"power user" is a marketing term ... that should tell you all you need to know about it	07:32
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jaem	evening... I have an odd problem. I'm reading a serial data stream over a Bluetooth link, the data packets of which are delimited by CRLF characters...	07:53
jaem	On my (Arch Linux) laptop, this works fine with our parser, but on the N900, it breaks. On looking into it, it seems that the data received on the N900 is somehow having the CRLF changed to LFLF before it even hits my application.	07:54
jaem	cat'ing /dev/rfcomm0 thus shows double-spaced lines of data. I'm rather confused as to what could be causing this.	07:55
ds3	checked the line discipline?	07:58
jaem	ds3: Since I'm not sure what that means, I'm guessing "no". :)	07:58
ds3	try 'stty -a < /dev/rfcomm0'	07:59
ds3	see if the settings show autotranslate enabled	07:59
* jaem checks		08:01
jaem	ds3: looks like that may be it. Let me poke at it some more	08:03
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jaem	ds3: Yep, that would be it. Thanks a lot. :D	08:07
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ds3	glad to be of assistance	08:10
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DocScrutinizer51	jaem: seems to me your parser is too strict	08:31
Macer	my gf is cracking me up with this just dance 2 and michale jackson gameas	08:32
Macer	wii is awesome	08:32
DocScrutinizer51	usually a parser should be as loose as possible, only detecting the syntactically relevant lexems	08:32
DocScrutinizer51	jaem: in this particular case it would for example mean the parser should tolerate any combination of LF/CR	08:34
jaem	DocScrutinizer51: Quite possibly. The problem is that this whole side of the project was written by someone else, who was out of the country for several months. I've been trying to get it all working without him, and I have insufficient experience with this sort of thing	08:34
jaem	DocScrutinizer51: Agreed.	08:34
DocScrutinizer51	maybe, depending on syntax of your parsed text, even ignore them completely	08:34
jaem	I believe the current code splits on newlines, and since it was being turned into two newlines, that confused it.	08:35
jaem	At any rate, most of this code has been rewritten, from what I've told - it just isn't stable yet. ...so I get to play with the old code. :)	08:35
DocScrutinizer51	hm, a separator lexem usually should not hurt if repeated	08:36
DocScrutinizer51	except if the empty token ([separator][null tolen][separator]) actually has a meaningis	08:38
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DocScrutinizer51	imagine c sourcecode would allow only single spaces	08:40
jaem	hmm?	08:40
jaem	DocScrutinizer51: Sorry, I'm having a bad day, and not really following you. I should probably leave this for now.	08:41
jaem	I appreciate your help, though.	08:42
DocScrutinizer51	for the c source parser in gcc a single space is same as multiple spaces, and often even cr/lf is of equal meaning	08:42
ieatlint	to be pedantic, a parser that is loose is still likely to not process LFLF in this case as intended -- LFLF could intentionally indicate a blank line	08:42
DocScrutinizer51	well, depends on the syntax of the parsed text	08:43
DocScrutinizer51	a c parser for example wouldn't care (first instance)	08:44
ieatlint	but you're right about gcc's parsing (except in the preprocessor)... i believe that's part of the c spec in fact	08:44
DocScrutinizer51	(except of course for line numbers etc)	08:44
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DocScrutinizer51	darn, who messed up line9 of my usr/bin/htop?	09:19
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cehteh	where is the sensitivity between whats recognized as tap and whats a drag configureable in hildon	09:40
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DocScrutinizer	good question	09:49
DocScrutinizer	I'd brainlessly point in gconf's general direction	09:50
RST38h	cehteh: as of Maemo5 it is not	09:50
cehteh	duh	09:50
DocScrutinizer	wtf?	09:50
RST38h	the touchscreen is too jittery	09:50
DocScrutinizer	burp mumbleamousemoumblehostmode	09:51
cehteh	RST38h: exactly to increase it, slippy fingers :P	09:52
cehteh	they must have some hardcodes compensation anyways ... i epected thats rather some config value :/	09:53
RST38h	they do of course	09:53
RST38h	but it won't make any difference	09:53
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trumee	sip uri's fail if phone is not registered to that domain. strange.	10:28
trumee	My N900 is registered to my * server and i called music@iptel.org, phone did not pass the uri to my * server.	10:28
cehteh	yeah the n900 supports only castrated sip	10:28
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trumee	cehteh, sip looses its usefulness immediately if cant call sip uris	10:32
cehteh	ack	10:32
trumee	cehteh, there should be bug report filed for this	10:33
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cehteh	go for it :P	10:34
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trumee	seems i can dial somenumber@x.x but not somestring@x.x	10:35
trumee	phone-ui pass the sip uri if it contains numbers only.	10:36
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DocScrutinizer	my sip is dead	11:09
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DocScrutinizer	I.E. I can't select the SIP connection in dialer anymore, and also no SIP call buttons in contacts	11:09
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DocScrutinizer51	inbound sip calls get signaled as missed call immediately	11:14
DocScrutinizer51	callback on that sip:number@sipgate.de call from missed calls creates a chat! o.O	11:15
DocScrutinizer51	something is seriously messed up	11:15
trumee	DocScrutinizer, telepathy-sip broken for you	11:18
DocScrutinizer	\o/	11:18
trumee	DocScrutinizer, time to reflash :p	11:19
DocScrutinizer	pfff SHIT	11:19
DocScrutinizer	reflash means I lose PR1.2	11:19
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trumee	I dont have a landline, so sip needs to be quite reliable for me.	11:19
DocScrutinizer	that's why I started with twinkle, back when	11:20
trumee	DocScrutinizer, why are you stuck with PR1.2?	11:21
DocScrutinizer	and on N900 PR1.[01].* it worked great	11:21
DocScrutinizer	because pr1.3 has all kinds of things not working or not tested	11:22
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DocScrutinizer	and frankly because I was happy with my massively tweaked and patched pr1.2, for my productive device	11:23
DocScrutinizer	and OTA isn't feasible anymore for this massively modified pr1.2	11:24
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DocScrutinizer	at least not without serious effort to prepare it for that OTA update	11:24
RST38h	Doc: You will still have to update to pr1.3	11:24
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DocScrutinizer	and there's definitely still no tested reliable way to backup that system and completely rollback if PR1.3 sucks	11:25
DocScrutinizer	also I love to HATE nokia for forcing me into pr1.3	11:26
DocScrutinizer	this is my productive phone, not a toy for Nokia to learn how to run updates	11:26
DocScrutinizer	they should first learn how to decently do complete backups	11:27
RST38h	This is all pointless talk	11:27
DocScrutinizer	prior to forcing me into new OS versions	11:27
DocScrutinizer	that's not pointless, that's just sad and making me angry	11:28
RST38h	Ok,so you will get sadder and more angry by the day, until you upgrade to pr1.3	11:28
RST38h	Especially considering that PR1.3 isn't even reflashing your boot loader, core, or anything	11:28
DocScrutinizer	thanks for the analysis, Mr Freud	11:28
RST38h	Just a bunch of userland package updates	11:29
DocScrutinizer	haha	11:29
trumee	DocScrutinizer, you could try Babckupmenu app	11:29
DocScrutinizer	well, tehnically hildon desktop is actually userland	11:30
DocScrutinizer	for libvte I'm not that sure	11:30
DocScrutinizer	trumee: I could try, and find out if it helps me or makes things worse, yes	11:30
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: first thing you learn with backup, as a sysop, is you MUST test restore, to be sure it actually works. And obviously you can't do that when same time you destroy the original system that you tried to backup	11:32
DocScrutinizer	means you have to restore to a different system, an expendable one	11:33
DocScrutinizer	then your best bet is to do a backup of that system, and compare the both backups. Usually they differ (sure they do, as a living system always is changing)	11:34
DocScrutinizer	I'm not ready to do this	11:34
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DocScrutinizer	QA for a backup/restore solution is a bit different to that of a normal app. If a normal app has a bug, I simply fix it. If a backup has a bug, I'll learn I'm busted	11:37
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DocScrutinizer	RST38h: pr1.3 has that annoying CPU-hog / charging bug, that will destroy my battery	11:40
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: I'd say that's clearly 'anything' at least	11:40
DocScrutinizer	according to your list of >> boot loader, core, or anything <<	11:41
DocScrutinizer	It wouldn't hurt battery if bme wasn't THAT braindamaged	11:43
DocScrutinizer	I might try to cope FIX state, if I had a way to rollback to PR1.2 completely, just in case I fail on trying to live with it. Or in case there are even more serious bugs in PR1.3	11:46
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DocScrutinizer	duh, I hate that touchpad	11:47
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DocScrutinizer	I might try to cope with that bug and its defacto WONTFIX state, if I had a way to rollback to PR1.2 completely, just in case I fail on trying to live with it. Or in case there are even more serious bugs in PR1.3	11:47
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Termana	DocScrutinizer: just use the 1.2 kernel like we discussed? (if you find the bug unliveable)	11:52
DocScrutinizer	Termana: the suggested upgrade to PR1.3 might introduce other serious bugs that nobody has noticed yet (NB it's been me who discovered the CPU hog bug), and if it does then using a PR1.2 kernel might not exactly help me out	11:54
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DocScrutinizer	in fact an upgrade to PR1.3 is irreversable for the same reasons I can't really use PR1.2 any longer: None of the apps in testing and devel is available for pr1.2 any longer	11:56
DocScrutinizer	so once I upgraded to 1.3, there's no way to restore a PR1.2 system	11:56
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DocScrutinizer	at least no simple tested supported way	11:57
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DocScrutinizer	you can go back to a bare bones PR1.2, by simply flashing the img, but that's it	11:58
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* alterego wonders what to do today.		12:10
alterego	Think I'll throw together a UI for my TV remote.	12:10
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alterego	Using Qt Quick	12:10
DocScrutinizer	alterego: how about testing backup menu for installability under PR1.2? And then verifying a image restore really is creating a working system?	12:11
alterego	Eesh, you want me to reflash 1.2? :D	12:12
DocScrutinizer	Well I gather you're asking for a task for the weekend, so you won't get bored	12:12
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alterego	Yeah, and I've got either columbus or my automatic remote detect.	12:13
DocScrutinizer	doubtlessly much more tempting topics	12:13
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alterego	Now, I wonder if i can use bluetooth scanning, to know when I'm at home so I can turn one of my home screens into a context aware remote control.	12:27
alterego	Think I'll write a little topography discovery agent, which ses bluetooth devices, or wireless AP addresses to ascertain your home or at work or whatever.	12:29
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BCMM	does anyone have reason to believe that ntpd would have a substantial effect on battery life?	12:40
alterego	BCMM: no, not realy.	12:40
alterego	Well, maybe if there's some kind of odd networking error.	12:40
alterego	It might get into a retry frenzy.	12:40
BCMM	oh, the BSD version doesn't do constant adjustment...	12:40
BCMM	i was worried about CPU wake-ups, you see	12:41
alterego	Ah, m'kay.	12:41
alterego	Well, I've been using ntpd for ages and have never noticed any nastiness.	12:41
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DocScrutinizer	On thinking about it again, I'm not sure maemo kernel knows about frequency discipline	12:47
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DocScrutinizer	alterego: so if that's the case, there's maybe no way to do any constant adjustment	12:47
DocScrutinizer	hmm, probably inserting or dropping one jiffy per N jiffies is always possible	12:48
alterego	Hrm, yeah.	12:48
alterego	I'm not sure about that either.	12:49
DocScrutinizer	I never loked into frequency discipline and how it works	12:49
DocScrutinizer	looked	12:49
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alterego	Can't say I'm too up on it either.	12:50
DocScrutinizer	but I'd guess a granularity of one jiffy is finegrained enough	12:50
alterego	Heh, not often I hear someone saying Jiffy :D	12:50
DocScrutinizer	so time would actually jump a jiffy every now and then, or stall for a period of two jiffies	12:51
DocScrutinizer	both not really a big problem	12:51
alterego	Yeah	12:51
alterego	I think today, I'll start to think about how I can make a neat home automation/CIR controller remote UX framework.	12:52
DocScrutinizer	and that should be feasible independently on tickless kernel and whatever the sysclock hardware is alike	12:52
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alterego	DocScrutinizer: I'm thinking of coping out and releasing columbus as foss ...	13:03
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alterego	Might still work on a security/purchase framework though.	13:04
DocScrutinizer	damn, another test case wasted	13:05
DocScrutinizer	:-D	13:05
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alterego	Well, it was only a requirement for a semi quick cash injection. But I don't really need that anymore.	13:06
DocScrutinizer	I'd really be interested in the relative success of this	13:06
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alterego	Yeah	13:06
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DocScrutinizer	Esp since I still need such a cash injection	13:06
alterego	Heh, do you have a killer app then? :)	13:07
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DocScrutinizer	maybe	13:07
alterego	Cool	13:07
DocScrutinizer	killer app is relative	13:08
alterego	Yeah, well, you know what I mean.l	13:08
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DocScrutinizer	yep. any TLA starting with b is a good candidate	13:09
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DocScrutinizer	and a featureset of hostmode with Y-cable support, hot swapping of battery, and full control over charging even with alien chargers, seems nice enough	13:11
alterego	neat	13:11
alterego	brb	13:11
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Termana	All wrapped in a juicy proprietary sausage with a side dish of send $100 to DocScrutinizer or die. Nom nom.	13:12
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RST38h	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW2qxFkcLM0&fmt=18	13:16
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CableTwitch	Greetings	13:18
DocScrutinizer51	Termana: nah	13:18
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* Arkenoi wonders what is the rationale behind the "brilliant" idea of using "virtual" directory names like "Sound clips" etc in native applications. Damn ugly and inconsistent. Why not just symlinks?		13:21
kerio	because that would make sense	13:22
CableTwitch	Because as nice as standards are, there will always be those who like to do things differently. 'Ooman naycha, innit?	13:23
Arkenoi	Well, i guess it was not a single person decision, why would serveral people agree to this nonsense?	13:24
CableTwitch	Because its easier to go with you r won planning methods, than to bend everything to fit someone elses.	13:25
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CableTwitch	Trust me, you can have all the standards in the world. Someone, somewhere, will use something entirely different.	13:26
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RST38h	Arkenoi: this came from Symbian	13:28
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RST38h	Arkenoi: The idea was being able to move these dirs between device models and also merge internal+card dirs into a single user-accessible directory	13:29
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Arkenoi	RST38h, what a mess	13:32
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Arkenoi	why just copy symbian there? at least on symbian you almost never see "real" fs structure	13:34
Arkenoi	i mean, from UI	13:35
RST38h	Arkenoi: Most likely because the managementisdominated by Symbianpeople	13:35
Arkenoi	yet another reason to kill symbian asap, it is toxic waste	13:37
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DocScrutinizer51	I heard it was about localization, and poorly thought concepts	13:45
DocScrutinizer51	and M$	13:45
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Venemo	hi :)	13:54
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trumee	/dev/video1 and /dev/video2 both point to back camera. is that a PR1.3 bug?	13:59
jacekowski	video0	14:01
trumee	my bad mplayer needs v4l2 driver	14:01
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RST38h	Arkenoi: YOu can kill the Symbian, but what are you gonna do with the people/	14:03
jacekowski	there is nothing wrong with symbian	14:04
RST38h	Arkenoi: [hint: you let these highly experienced industry folks drive your Meego-related developments]	14:04
BCMM	i have no idea whatsoever how symbian works internally - is porting it's API to linux and running legacy application on it feasible?	14:04
jacekowski	no	14:05
alterego	BCMM: anything is possible, but is it worth it?	14:05
alterego	I suppose Palm did it.	14:05
BCMM	alterego: that's why i said feasible, not possible	14:05
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Arkenoi	RST38h, quarantine every single person under strict supervision, if it appears to be clean of brain contamination, let him do something useful :-)	14:09
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RST38h	Arkenoi: Never happens that way	14:09
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jacekowski	symbian FTW	14:26
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Venemo	jacekowski: why is that?	14:27
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corecode	how do you fit 80x25 on the xterm?	14:35
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The_Tall1	Hi, i build a big library in scratchbox and it worked fine inside it. But on the N900 the used float numbers totally flipped s.th. like 2.99999 changed to -0.00004. Is this known or caused by the used lib?	14:37
Venemo	The_Tall1: we would need to know more about what you're doing	14:38
The_Tall1	we use geos-3.2.2 to work with geometries and the wkt/wkb to work with rdf3x	14:39
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The_Tall1	we think big/little endian might be a problem but why differs scratchbox output from N900. That looks strange to mee	14:40
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The_Tall1	scratchbox runs on a 32Bit Intel	14:41
Venemo	The_Tall1: x86 is little-endian. ARMEL is little-endian too	14:41
MohammadAG	or AMD64	14:41
Venemo	that is why it is called ARM_EL_	14:41
kerio	corecode: you can fit 79x25	14:41
MohammadAG	depends on the units	14:42
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Venemo	ARMEL meanys ARM little-endian	14:42
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MohammadAG	shouldn't it me Endian-Little on ARMLE? :P	14:43
The_Tall1	the used units are standard c++ floats	14:43
trumee	MohammadAG, thanks for help yesterday. Finally was able to boot into my custom kernel.	14:43
alterego	It sounds cuter MohammadAG	14:43
MohammadAG	who's the lil ARMEL, who's the lil ARMEL	14:44
MohammadAG	trumee, yw :)	14:44
trumee	MohammadAG, key was to run depmod -a on the device to stop reboot loop.	14:44
MohammadAG	postinst should do that o_O	14:45
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jacekowski	The_Tall1: softvfp?	14:45
jacekowski	The_Tall1: or something else?	14:45
jacekowski	The_Tall1: i would try it on debugger	14:45
trumee	MohammadAG, guess my postinst is broken then	14:45
Venemo	MohammadAG: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9081	14:45
Venemo	MohammadAG: ARMEL is little-endian and ARMEB is big-endian	14:46
smooph	hey i am trying to flash my n900 but its not working because ... I tried to install a program on which install the device hung and now every time i connect power its trying to fix the installation but won't ... flashing doesn't work because I pressing the "u" key it doesn't go into flashermode	14:46
The_Tall1	jacekowski: i remember a message about softvfp, gdb will be next	14:47
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chem\|st	smooph: uboot or bootbackup?	14:48
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chem\|st	smooph: there is matan's workaround somewhere in tmo	14:49
smooph	chem\|st: sorry I don't understand the question I am trying to flash with vanilla	14:49
DocScrutinizer	smooph: damn, didn't we decide yesterday your battery is weak?	14:49
chem\|st	smooph: what was the program you installed?	14:49
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smooph	DocScrutinizer yes we did	14:50
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: oh ok..	14:50
smooph	but I tried loading	14:50
smooph	it	14:50
chem\|st	smooph: did it?	14:50
smooph	but it doesn't help ... if the battery is too low shouldn't it go into flashermode too and die on me before its finished	14:51
smooph	?	14:51
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chem\|st	smooph: what happens when you have the device off and plug in a wallcharger?	14:51
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DocScrutinizer	[2010-12-04 04:45:27] <DocScrutinizer51> it doesn't enetr charging mode when plugging unpowered device to wallcharger?	14:52
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smooph	the orange led goes on which means its charging but some time (2-5min) after that the device starts and tries to install the faild program	14:52
DocScrutinizer	[2010-12-04 04:46:36] <smooph> it starts charging but after a little while (2-5 min) it boots up the point where it trys to fix the failed installation	14:52
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smooph	btw it died installing some data collection app	14:53
DocScrutinizer	charge your battery. There's no other way	14:53
smooph	but how?	14:54
chem\|st	smooph: dedicated from your device	14:54
Venemo	smooph: maybe get another battery, or charge yours with another phone or an external charger	14:54
chem\|st	smooph: see a vendor shop and ask kindly to charge it, or find a friend with same socket	14:54
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smooph	is the there no special pre boot mode i can enter	14:55
smooph	?	14:55
chem\|st	people should realy think about messing with their phones with empty battery...	14:55
smooph	it was fully loaded	14:55
chem\|st	smooph: if the flasher mode does not work no	14:56
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chem\|st	maybe you do something wrong on that side...	14:56
DocScrutinizer	nah, holding 'u' doesn't help. So it's definitely empty cell	14:57
chem\|st	"some data collection app" sounds scary	14:57
smooph	It doesn't even enter flasher mode ... I don't even see the little usb icon	14:57
DocScrutinizer	:nod:	14:57
DocScrutinizer	wouldn' be surprised to find that "data cllection app" needs power kernel	14:57
chem\|st	smooph: charge the battery	14:57
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: that's what I thought of...	14:58
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DocScrutinizer	probably pk preinit should check for >90% battery, and abort	14:59
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: btw how come that wifi hotspot is in testing? and why does ham install with missing dependencies?	14:59
DocScrutinizer	preinstall	14:59
MohammadAG	how do I make my mailing client have auto line breaks?	14:59
DocScrutinizer	:shrug:	14:59
chem\|st	MohammadAG: which client	14:59
corecode	\o/ kerio how?	15:00
MohammadAG	like, when sending to mailing lists, I see lines are broken after each 6 words or sth	15:00
corecode	without the \o/	15:00
corecode	kerio: how?	15:00
MohammadAG	thunderbird	15:00
chem\|st	MohammadAG: it is somewhere in the editor settings to brake after an amount of characters	15:00
MohammadAG	what's the one mailing lists use?	15:00
chem\|st	MohammadAG: that's what I tell vim to do when called from mutt	15:01
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chem\|st	MohammadAG: ehr IO error	15:01
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kerio	corecode: disable the toolbar and go fullscreen	15:01
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chem\|st	MohammadAG: thunderbird is a wacky bitch... my knowledge is limited... want a proper .muttrc I can help	15:02
smooph	chem\|st: DocScrutinizer "nokia data gathering" was the name of the app I think	15:02
Pavlz	hello to all	15:03
DocScrutinizer	bwahahaha	15:03
kerio	corecode: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false"	15:03
chem\|st	smooph: from where did you install it?	15:03
DocScrutinizer	thw infamous nokia spyware	15:03
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: never heard of it	15:03
DocScrutinizer	ask SpeedEvil	15:03
smooph	repositories	15:03
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chem\|st	smooph: repositories like repositories.debian.org? repositories is what the collector is called	15:04
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Pavlz	i got the old nokia 770 with the kernel 2.6.16-omap1	15:05
chem\|st	smooph: repositories is no valid answer on 'where did you get it from'	15:05
chem\|st	Pavlz: hi	15:05
smooph	testing	15:05
DocScrutinizer	o.O	15:05
smooph	i guess	15:05
smooph	i don't know	15:05
chem\|st	smooph: why did you wnat to install it?	15:06
smooph	describtion sounded interessting	15:06
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil got some 50 bucks from Nokia for installing it :-P	15:06
Venemo	smooph: what kind of app was this?	15:06
Pavlz	i would like to know if there is any player to watch short movies *.ogv	15:06
corecode	kerio: i don't seem to get 79	15:07
chem\|st	Pavlz: mplayer doesn't do it?	15:07
corecode	also, 80 would be much better	15:07
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kerio	yeah but apparently there's no way to get 80 without going like 96x30	15:07
kerio	use the volume keys to zoom :)	15:07
chem\|st	as ogv is just another container format..	15:07
smooph	Venemo: I don't know my phone never started again after trying to install it	15:08
kerio	not sure if it matters, i'm using droid sans mono bold 12	15:08
Venemo	smooph: I get it, but what was this app?	15:08
corecode	oh i didn't know that	15:08
corecode	nice	15:08
Pavlz	to the same time i got problems with opera browser, because it is very old and there are not binaries or source code for opera so i can't access to my e-mail on google	15:09
DocScrutinizer	yeah, and terribly missing in xterm	15:09
DocScrutinizer	(zoom)	15:09
chem\|st	smooph: that thing is nowhere in the official repositories	15:09
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: is it in sdk tools?	15:09
DocScrutinizer	ask SpeedEvil	15:09
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: zoom? go with volume keys!	15:10
DocScrutinizer	iirc it's sent to you by Nokia, together with an NDA	15:10
DocScrutinizer	in xchat???	15:10
Pavlz	no i can listen but i can't watch with mplayer	15:10
DocScrutinizer	oops	15:10
DocScrutinizer	s/term/chat	15:10
DocScrutinizer	cya, off for a nap	15:10
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: ok	15:10
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: you can change the font size, whats the matter?	15:11
smooph	the first post i pretty much the same what happened to me	15:11
smooph	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65900	15:11
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: usability	15:11
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: sure	15:11
jacekowski	smooph: coldflash	15:11
DocScrutinizer	ummm	15:12
smooph	whats that?	15:12
DocScrutinizer	you don't wanna know	15:12
jacekowski	coldflash will not check battery level	15:12
DocScrutinizer	but twl4030 will	15:12
* alterego starts his new project, its' called "QMote" :)		15:12
chem\|st	smooph: ah so you thought it hung and killed your device by powering off?	15:13
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: he's down to emergency charge already	15:13
smooph	no	15:13
Venemo	alterego: what app'll be it?	15:13
jacekowski	then let it charge	15:14
jacekowski	and flash it	15:14
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smooph	I waited 1 day nothing happened and than when I took it with me it was just turned off	15:14
chem\|st	jacekowski: it starts after 2-4mins of charging by itself	15:14
alterego	Venemo: it's a IR remote controller interface using QtQuick/QML	15:14
Venemo	alterego: something like QtIrreco?	15:14
chem\|st	smooph: it died on the battery...	15:14
jacekowski	chem\|st: and what happens after that?	15:14
alterego	Venemo: yeah, but better :P	15:14
alterego	I don't like that app.	15:14
Venemo	alterego: nice :)	15:15
chem\|st	jacekowski: tries to boot something ?!	15:15
alterego	I'm gonna have automatic detection too.	15:15
jacekowski	chem\|st: does it switch off?	15:15
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jacekowski	hmm, then you probably can coldflash it	15:15
DocScrutinizer	bootloop	15:15
chem\|st	smooph: pls describe what happens	15:15
jacekowski	chem\|st: do you have liunux at hand somewhere?	15:15
smooph	it tries to fix the failed install with the words "installing software update,please do not interrupt 5 %"	15:15
chem\|st	jacekowski: it is smooph not me	15:16
jacekowski	smooph: do you have linux somewhere at hand?	15:16
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: you will regret that	15:16
chem\|st	jacekowski: I know my way around...	15:16
smooph	on it of course ;D	15:16
jacekowski	~coldflash	15:16
infobot	[coldflash] http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing	15:16
chem\|st	smooph: at hand!	15:16
* DocScrutinizer cancels nap, fetches popcorn and coke		15:17
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: not funny	15:17
* smooph doesn't agree with being a ginnypig		15:17
DocScrutinizer	that WILL be funny	15:17
chem\|st	does anyone know where to get the gorilla pods mounting plates as single piece? want to make a customized batterycover with it	15:18
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: have some popcorn spare for me... I am out of gummibears by now ;)	15:18
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DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: smooph clearly stated his device goes down after a short time, after boot, and it obviously doesn't charge -> you have maybe 150s to do all the flashing from coldflash to working system, as coldflash kernel doesn't charge either	15:21
jacekowski	150s should be enough	15:22
DocScrutinizer	yeah, will be funny, definitely	15:22
smooph	nothing happens ... I cannot get it to connect to go into flashermode	15:25
Venemo	smooph: like I said, get another charged battery, or charge your battery with another phone or an external charger	15:26
DocScrutinizer	yes, you need to use coldflash special command parameters for flasher	15:26
DocScrutinizer	as you have to override NOLO	15:26
Venemo	smooph: or borrow a battery from a service centre	15:26
DocScrutinizer	(the bootloader that shows the NOKIA screen)	15:26
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: I didn't know you could flash rootfs with coldflash	15:27
smooph	I am using the command from the wiki jacekowski send me	15:28
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, it should get you into coldflashing mode the moment the phone boots up from charrging, after you connected it to a PC with started flasher command	15:29
DocScrutinizer	no holding of 'u'	15:29
alterego	It's a shame there isn't two IR emitters.	15:29
alterego	I keep wanting to use my remote in portrait ..	15:29
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: yep	15:30
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: just windows is not fast enough to enumerate it	15:30
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DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: I always wondered if flasher should be told to use a particular USB port	15:31
smooph	not working	15:31
DocScrutinizer	yummy... popcorn	15:32
jacekowski	smooph: are you on linux or windows?	15:32
smooph	:) not so funny over here	15:32
smooph	linux	15:33
Venemo	alterego: lol	15:33
jacekowski	smooph: switch off your phone	15:33
jacekowski	remove battery	15:33
jacekowski	disconnect usb cable	15:33
Venemo	alterego: it's a shame there isn't an IR receiver too	15:33
smooph	done	15:33
jacekowski	wait a while	15:33
jacekowski	what hw revision do you have?	15:33
DocScrutinizer	lol	15:33
smooph	don't know ... how what do you mean?	15:34
DocScrutinizer	it can be found if you disassemble the lower half	15:34
DocScrutinizer	;-D	15:34
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jacekowski	smooph: start that command	15:34
DocScrutinizer	or in /proc, of the phone's system that's not starting	15:34
jacekowski	flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -2 2nd.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -s secondary.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -S usb	15:35
jacekowski	as root	15:35
jacekowski	connect battery	15:35
jacekowski	and plug in your phone via usb	15:35
lolloo	is it that hard to include u-boot to power kernel ?	15:35
lolloo	I need to run MeeGo but I have power kernel46	15:35
chem\|st	alterego: more power would be fine as I can point anywhere in the room to control my boombox with it's remote...	15:35
chem\|st	lolloo: there is no need to run meego...	15:36
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: replace those friggin R's	15:36
chem\|st	R?	15:36
DocScrutinizer	resistors	15:36
lolloo	ok there is no need, but I need U-boot on my n900	15:36
chem\|st	ah	15:36
lolloo	and power46 has removed U-boot from it	15:37
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: the IR needs to be replaced too	15:37
chem\|st	wont work afaik	15:37
DocScrutinizer	don't think so	15:37
DocScrutinizer	you say LED?	15:38
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: you know the vendor and part number?	15:38
smooph	jacekowski: I did what you said ... when I plugged in the USB it took a little time than the device turned on and went straight into "Installing Software update. Please do not interrupt."	15:38
DocScrutinizer	looks quite beefy	15:38
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: nope	15:38
jacekowski	smooph: what does dmesg say	15:38
smooph	hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 6	15:39
chem\|st	jacekowski: I bet ubuntu and trying something weird before enumerating ;) popcorn?	15:39
chem\|st	ouch	15:39
chem\|st	smooph: is 2-0 on board?	15:39
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smooph	let me check	15:40
chem\|st	smooph: where did you plug it in to?	15:40
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: whatever the result of this - kudos for the idea	15:41
smooph	yes all pluged into on board	15:41
DocScrutinizer	2-0:1-0 port 6 o.O	15:42
DocScrutinizer	looks icky	15:42
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DocScrutinizer	mainboard hub	15:42
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: yeah...	15:43
chem\|st	smooph: is it your front usb?	15:43
smooph	no	15:43
chem\|st	smooph: with a cable to the board something?	15:43
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chem\|st	or one of the backpanel usbs?	15:43
smooph	no it directly plugged into the mainboard backpanel	15:43
alterego	Cool, just bound 'system' call into Qml space. So now I can run arbitrary command :)	15:44
DocScrutinizer	smooph: try other ports	15:44
DocScrutinizer	shortcut: use a memstick and check dmesg for a nicer log	15:44
chem\|st	smooph: you got a lot there so please use any usb device and plug it in another port on the back most prefered one of the most right in relation to loking at it with cpu UP	15:45
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DocScrutinizer	duh you know secrets	15:45
chem\|st	secrets?	15:46
DocScrutinizer	is this an Intel spec or what?	15:46
chem\|st	it is a ATX layout spec	15:46
DocScrutinizer	wow	15:46
DocScrutinizer	dark secrets	15:46
DocScrutinizer	:-P	15:46
chem\|st	uATX is another thing I guess but xlATX and ATX have to be the first 2 from the left or the first two from the right	15:47
DocScrutinizer	smooph: anyway, use a memstick or whatever and check dmesg log. If you find something nicer in there, paste it here	15:48
chem\|st	smooph: ^^ do that	15:48
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DocScrutinizer	nicer == not port >4, less digits after USB	15:48
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DocScrutinizer	meh, my popcorn getting cold, my neighbour stopped tearing down the wall to my sleeping room. The nap getting more tempting	15:50
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smooph	usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 15 ??? good enough ???	15:51
DocScrutinizer	good enough	15:51
chem\|st	smooph: no usb 1-x available?	15:51
DocScrutinizer	meh, don't nitpick	15:52
chem\|st	at least it is not talking about hub	15:52
smooph	do i press "u" when the device turns on ?	15:52
DocScrutinizer	nope	15:52
DocScrutinizer	no use in that	15:52
smooph	kk	15:52
DocScrutinizer	but that's jacekowski's show anyway	15:53
chem\|st	oh nice with patched usb cdc_ether finally works...	15:53
chem\|st	[312240.899392] usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:02.1-1 ;)	15:54
smooph	hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 ... back to installing software updates	15:54
Venemo	smooph: why don't you follow my advice?	15:54
alterego	http://pastie.org/1347070	15:54
alterego	I think that's quite a nice way of creating lircd remotes ..	15:54
lolloo	what is the command to force an app to install using apt-get?	15:54
alterego	lolloo: apt-get install	15:55
lolloo	-f ?	15:55
alterego	Yeah	15:55
smooph	Venemo: because your advice means going outside and i am snowed in	15:55
DocScrutinizer	:-D	15:55
Venemo	smooph: ouch. :(	15:55
chem\|st	alterego: you are on a killing spree?	15:55
DocScrutinizer	yeah, nice weather around here	15:55
lolloo	what is the name of u-bootpackage used in apt-get?	15:55
smooph	nothing to do but keep the computers running to heat up the place	15:55
lolloo	apt-get -f install u-boot?	15:56
alterego	chem\|st: ?	15:56
DocScrutinizer	apt-cache search uboot	15:56
chem\|st	lolloo: you should def. keep your hands off	15:56
DocScrutinizer	apt-cache search boot	15:56
lolloo	awesome	15:56
lolloo	chem\|st, no worries	15:57
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: lolloo: ACK	15:57
chem\|st	alterego: look at him little 'awesome' on a basic command will brick his device in no time...	15:57
DocScrutinizer	lolloo: PLEASE charge your battery first ! :-P	15:57
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: you cannot ACK both of us..	15:57
alterego	chem\|st: you mean binding "system" into QML?	15:58
lolloo	alright	15:58
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: I acked your comment	15:58
chem\|st	alterego: no I mean telling people simple commands on heavy topics is like throwing a gummiball into a class-animals vendor shop...	15:59
chem\|st	glass...	15:59
alterego	;)	15:59
alterego	Meh,	15:59
alterego	I'm not in the mood to mollycoddle today :)	15:59
DocScrutinizer	how about dd? X-P	16:00
chem\|st	alterego: people with "that sounded interessting" sitting here with bricked devices, snowed in, out of coffee...	16:00
alterego	:D	16:00
alterego	Hahah nice	16:01
DocScrutinizer	and jacekowski is suspiciously silent recently	16:01
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DocScrutinizer	smooph: how good is your electronics background?	16:07
Arkenoi	http://thenokiablog.com/2010/12/01/meego-not-for-business/ oh shi.. somebody, PLEASE KILL HIM!	16:08
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chem\|st	Arkenoi: who did think of E-series meego yet? kind of weird	16:10
DocScrutinizer	hehe that E7 damn looks like that N9, doesn't it?	16:11
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: thats what I just thought	16:11
Arkenoi	chem\|st, i think meego would be ideal for e series (at least qwerty models)	16:11
DocScrutinizer	http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277336	16:11
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chem\|st	Arkenoi: meego is at least one year away from usable as anything, they should have taken maemo to the next step, at least for phones	16:13
chem\|st	a netbook ui, unusable without touchscreen or attached mouse is another issue	16:13
chem\|st	no device sync makes it even more wonderful	16:15
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chem\|st	if I run something like meego on all mobile devices I want it to sync anything over wifi, if it's my current playlist to my car or the PIM to my netbook	16:16
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DocScrutinizer	ok, folks. This is way less funny than I thought it would be	16:16
DocScrutinizer	cya	16:16
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smooph	bye	16:17
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smooph	thanks for the help	16:17
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pupnik	webgl summit 2010 demos http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/misc/vlad-summit2010.html	16:19
smooph	hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 3 that should be as good as it gets right ?	16:20
smooph	chem\|st: jacekowski	16:21
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DocScrutinizer	smooph: you own a voltmeter?	16:22
smooph	no	16:22
DocScrutinizer	k, nm	16:22
alterego	I should really set my old blog up again.	16:22
DocScrutinizer	get a charger or a spare battery	16:23
alterego	This QML remote is cool :)	16:23
alterego	And easy to code.	16:23
smooph	DocScrutinizer I will do you know if other nokia phones have the same battery ?	16:23
DocScrutinizer	yes	16:23
DocScrutinizer	mompls	16:23
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DocScrutinizer	can't find that bookmark. anyway 5800 has bl-5j as well	16:28
korhojoa	hey guys, anyone know how it would be possible to tell the phone to output sound via the speakers even though the tv-out cable is connected?	16:28
DocScrutinizer	http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=3956679&cache=258451400&culture=de-DE	16:29
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DocScrutinizer	korhojoa: change the PA policy. No idea how to do that	16:30
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DocScrutinizer	korhojoa: or use alsamixer -c 0	16:30
pupnik	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXcxFZbKUNI qml/3d programming example - Golden Monkey God	16:30
DocScrutinizer	err amixer?	16:31
smooph1	thanks DocScrutinizer	16:31
DocScrutinizer	np	16:31
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smooph1	I will ask some friends maybe they can snowmobil over here ;D	16:33
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alterego	http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101204-145219.png	16:53
alterego	So now people can write quick and easy, and pretty, remote controls in QML :)	16:54
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alterego	Much cooler than the other apps.	16:54
Venemo	alterego: good stuff	16:56
zs	left, right arrows seem to be bigger than up and down arrows, why? :)	16:56
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alterego	zs: becuse rather than draw proper ones I've stolen icons that kind of visualise what I want from hildon stock icons.	16:56
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zs	you can rotate them to look the same	16:57
alterego	Think I'll polish it up, add support for multiple remotes, including a pretty selector.	16:57
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alterego	Then people can use my app to create their own QML remotes for stuff they've got configured in lircd	16:58
zs	yeah :)	16:58
alterego	Here's the source for that UI: http://pastie.org/1347188	16:59
alterego	Obviously you don't need to use my "Button" component, but it makes a nice wrapper for a button with either a label or icon and then "command" property is the name of the command code in your lircd.conf file	17:00
alterego	My button at the moment is just using "TV" but I'll modify that when I do some more serious scht.	17:00
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pupnik	http://www.planet-claire.org/Torrini/Torrini2.mp3	17:02
pupnik	great live performance	17:02
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pupnik	http://www.planet-claire.org/Torrini/index.htm here she sings in front of a handful of people	17:03
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* alterego does a skin for his xbox		17:15
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RST38h	http://www.coboloncogs.org/INDEX.HTM	17:22
alterego	Cool, got it working with my XBox and my TV :D	17:27
alterego	Next my computer.	17:27
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alterego	Then a nice interface to select which ones are active.	17:27
* MohammadAG stabs setAttribute()		17:28
MohammadAG	why does setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5ShowProgressIndicator, true) show the circle, while setting it to false doesn't!	17:28
Venemo	MohammadAG: setting it to false disables the attribute	17:28
alterego	Because that is how you show and hide it ..	17:28
alterego	:P	17:29
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alterego	When you start doing something, set it to true, when you're done, set it to false.	17:29
MohammadAG	alterego, heh, my question was retarded	17:29
MohammadAG	when I set it to false, it doesn't go away	17:29
Venemo	MohammadAG: it should	17:29
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alterego	Interwesting ..	17:30
MohammadAG	same happened with the portrait flag	17:31
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pupnik	nice one RST38h	17:31
MohammadAG	oops	17:33
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MohammadAG	typo in the signal :/	17:33
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NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, getting the same qt run errors as i got last week al of a sudden :\| - build works fine, and runs fine after autobuilder etc, but wont let me test on my device, getting this - http://pastebin.com/mwTruPLX	17:33
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, good evening to you too :P	17:34
NooBmonk3y	morning, afternoon, evening gnite ;)	17:34
MohammadAG	umm	17:34
MohammadAG	edit debian/rules	17:34
MohammadAG	actually, paste debian/rules :P	17:34
MohammadAG	on pastebin of course(!!! again? k, !!!)	17:34
NooBmonk3y	http://pastebin.com/yPVApQba	17:35
NooBmonk3y	haven't changed it though	17:35
NooBmonk3y	so tis just being odd again	17:35
NooBmonk3y	checked permissions and they are all ok	17:35
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MohammadAG	you just need to run qmake	17:36
MohammadAG	sec	17:36
NooBmonk3y	ooo random	17:36
NooBmonk3y	surely cd builddir && qmake-qt4 PREFIX=/usr ../$(APPNAME).pro does that?	17:37
MohammadAG	hmm	17:37
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MohammadAG	just noticed that	17:37
MohammadAG	right click the project name and hit run qmake	17:38
MohammadAG	though it shouldn't really need that	17:38
NooBmonk3y	ran fine	17:38
NooBmonk3y	still errors when i try to run on device	17:38
MohammadAG	which are?	17:39
NooBmonk3y	same as before	17:39
NooBmonk3y	:-1: error: Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 2	17:39
NooBmonk3y	+ error i pastebinned	17:39
MohammadAG	you can't run that on device o_O	17:40
NooBmonk3y	lol i could last night lol	17:40
GAN900	1919 Model T in the parking lot.	17:41
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GAN900	Guy drove it on the interstate to get here. <_<	17:41
MohammadAG	you can't run dpkg-buildpackage on the device	17:41
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NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, ?	17:42
NooBmonk3y	i click run on the pc	17:42
NooBmonk3y	and it does its stuff then shoves it to the device	17:42
NooBmonk3y	worked 1000's of times before, tis odd	17:42
MohammadAG	it doesn't shove to the device, it fails before that	17:43
NooBmonk3y	yeah :\|	17:43
MohammadAG	clean project (right click, click clean)	17:43
MohammadAG	then right click, qmake	17:43
MohammadAG	and run again	17:43
NooBmonk3y	yeah mad dpkg-buildpackage -sa _S works ine, and autobuilder etc working fine	17:43
NooBmonk3y	same error	17:44
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MohammadAG	ask Venemo I suppose, I hate Qt Creator's packaging scheme	17:46
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otwieracz	Hello.	17:49
NooBmonk3y	:P	17:49
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alterego	http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101204-154856.png	17:50
alterego	TV + XBox :)	17:51
MohammadAG	alterego, any ideas if this can be used with Qt? http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-Additions-to-GTK+.html#hildon-gtk-window-enable-zoom-keys	17:51
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alterego	Ah, I use the zoom keys in columbus	17:52
alterego	Would you like to know how? :)	17:52
otwieracz	O have problem with Piding at my n810 with OS2008 - I'm getting ping timeout and I'm unable to reconnect (still „Connecting…”) - network works, other apps like web browser too	17:52
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MohammadAG	alterego, sure :D	17:53
otwieracz	Anybody have the same problem?	17:53
otwieracz	What can be wrong?	17:53
alterego	MohammadAG: it's basically two functions you need to implement/call in your MAinWindow	17:53
alterego	I'll stick them in pastie	17:53
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alterego	MohammadAG: http://pastie.org/1347302	17:55
alterego	Copy those to functions.	17:55
alterego	Then in your MAinWindow call setupX11Keys()	17:56
alterego	And put the code you want for each key in the keyPressEvent, which will magically get called from now on ;)	17:56
MohammadAG	err, up/down is F7/F8?	17:56
alterego	Yes, but they only get processed by Qt after you setup that X11 property.	17:57
GAN900	alterego, your colors are hateful.	17:57
alterego	GAN900: I know :P	17:57
alterego	I'm concentrating on getting it working nicely, UI abstracts first.	17:58
alterego	Then eye candy later.	17:58
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GAN900	Lame	17:59
RST38h	Moo GAN900	18:00
GAN900	Howdy, RST38h.	18:00
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lcuk_idea	yo rm_you \o	18:19
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rm_you	hey lcuk	18:24
rm_you	or, lcuk_idea	18:24
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rm_you	do you have an idea? :P	18:24
rm_you	having a job is ridiculous >_> very bad for productivity	18:25
lcuk_idea	rm_you, i have an ideapad running meego :P	18:25
rm_you	ah :P	18:25
chem\|st	what a waste....	18:25
lcuk_idea	chem\|st, hm?	18:26
rm_you	how was Dublin?	18:26
rm_you	I assume you went	18:26
lcuk_idea	dublin was awesome indeed	18:26
rm_you	I would have gone and just paid for it myself if I could have gotten the time off	18:26
rm_you	even unpaid time off... <_<	18:26
rm_you	I'm working for a major Oil&Gas company	18:27
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* lcuk_idea nods		18:27
lcuk_idea	you produce enough gas so it was only a matter of time	18:27
rm_you	lolol	18:27
lcuk_idea	what are you actually doing for them?	18:28
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GAN900	Filtering oil through your teeth?	18:28
lcuk_idea	GAN900, did the gulf spill ever get near your end	18:30
GAN900	Not where I love	18:30
GAN900	Thanks to the shelf and currents.	18:30
GAN900	Er, live*.	18:31
lcuk_idea	thats good then :) so those little alien helmet creatures are still around	18:31
* GAN900 does love it here, though.		18:31
GAN900	Seemingly.	18:31
GAN900	Though spawning season was during the summer.	18:32
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lcuk_idea	how do i get the sticker off this computer without damaging it, i have no finger nails	18:34
GAN900	Find someone with fingernails?	18:34
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lcuk_idea	good idea	18:34
* lcuk_idea hollers tracy		18:34
alterego	lcuk_idea: been working on a modular lirc front end in QML today.	18:37
alterego	It's working really nicely :)	18:37
alterego	The basic idea is, it has a nice hideable list, which shows all the remotes you've got configured in your lircd.conf file.	18:38
alterego	Then when you select one, it loads a .qml file which can fire off the button press events.	18:38
alterego	Simple, no support for irexec/batch operations.	18:39
alterego	(yet)	18:39
lcuk_idea	alterego, yeah i have had remote control working happily for last 2 years	18:39
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lcuk_idea	can you make one that looks like this:	18:40
lolloo	eeeww am using a bad theme on my N900	18:40
lolloo	WHITE !!!	18:40
alterego	Well, the idea of doing in QML, means it's _really_ easy for anyone to write their own custom remote UIs	18:40
lcuk_idea	http://liqbase.net/liq.20091016_041607.liqremote.scr.png	18:40
alterego	lcuk_idea: that'd be easy :P	18:41
lcuk_idea	alterego, remember what we talked about before about buttons in qml and tinting the colors	18:41
lcuk_idea	i used the calculator as example then	18:41
alterego	lcuk_idea: this is what I hve without any eye-candification: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101204-154856.png	18:41
lcuk_idea	this is same principle	18:41
rm_you	lcuk_idea: I work on their identity management system	18:41
lcuk_idea	cool beans alterego	18:41
lcuk_idea	but do they rotate?	18:42
lolloo	candification LOL	18:42
alterego	lcuk_idea: that's for my xbox and TV :)	18:42
lcuk_idea	i can flip the one I have land/port	18:42
lcuk_idea	rm_you, oooh	18:42
alterego	lcuk_idea: well, the IR emitter is on the top, so portrait support I'm not going to bother with.	18:42
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lcuk_idea	alterego, my remote control works on n810	18:42
lcuk_idea	and n900	18:42
lcuk_idea	and ideapad	18:42
lcuk_idea	and talks to my desktop machine	18:42
lcuk_idea	over tcp	18:42
alterego	I my add support for it, because I guess with an emitter connected to the network it doesn't matter right?	18:42
alterego	Yeh, exactly. It's just the only emitter I hve is in the N900 ;)	18:43
lcuk_idea	no emitter in this case i control media player on windows	18:43
alterego	h, right	18:43
lcuk_idea	i have a tiny deamon that runs	18:43
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lcuk_idea	i can muck around with video control whilst i am on other side of the world	18:43
lcuk_idea	grin	18:43
alterego	:)	18:44
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* MohammadAG wonders how to do this in Qt system("dmesg \| grep PSFreedom > /var/tmp/.tempdmesg");		18:49
MohammadAG	cleanly, without a system()	18:49
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alterego	Something wrong with system? :P	18:50
MohammadAG	it spawns a shell	18:51
MohammadAG	and it's not native Qt :P	18:51
MohammadAG	I could probably use QString::remove(), but idk how Qt regexes work	18:52
BCMM	that's OK, there's no cross-platform way to read the kernel ring buffer	18:53
BCMM	;)	18:53
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MohammadAG	still, it spawns a shell	18:53
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MohammadAG	nice example: QRegExp rx("^\\d\\d?$"); // match integers 0 to 99	18:54
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BCMM	MohammadAG: yes, the smiley was supposed to convey that i don't really think that that makes it OK to implement it in Bourne	19:08
BCMM	clearly, you want to write a small FORTRAN program and call taht	19:08
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* MohammadAG grumbles, takes out a knife :P		19:10
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ibansal_	hi all	19:11
ibansal_	can anyone help me in installing maemo on ubuntu 9.10 build on virtual box	19:12
MohammadAG	~maemosdk	19:12
infobot	i heard maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation	19:12
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ibansal_	infobot, thanks	19:14
infobot	bitte, ibansal_	19:14
BCMM	but knives are even more likely to end badly than regexps	19:14
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Pauly	hello	19:23
Pauly	all	19:23
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Pauly	RawRR lol	19:25
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blackthorne	hi	19:29
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blackthorne	it`s impressive how am I so happy with my new n900	19:32
blackthorne	even though I can`t find the apps that i really need	19:32
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blackthorne	and the battery lifetime is really limited	19:33
SpeedEvil	It depends what you do with it.	19:35
SpeedEvil	If you avoid 3G internet use, then your battery life can go up quite a lot	19:35
MohammadAG	I traded batteries with a classmate, his battery was a new one, got 14 hours with constant wifi	19:36
MohammadAG	I don't get that much with any of my 3 batteries	19:36
haltdef	I'm hoping meego takes off, lots of third party software then	19:36
BCMM	blackthorne: what apps do you really need?	19:37
mikki-kun	blackthorne: battery will always be an issue as long as no portable atomic fusion is possible in a small micro-cell	19:38
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mikki-kun	MohammadAG: you got bad quality batteries?	19:39
mikki-kun	happened to me 3 times with my batts from dell	19:40
mikki-kun	bad cache of cells i guess	19:40
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MohammadAG	doubt it	19:40
MohammadAG	there's another N900 in class, it doesn't get 14h	19:41
mikki-kun	so his n900 got the 14 hours?	19:42
blackthorne	BCMM: eBay and twitter	19:42
mikki-kun	maybe he is not running anything in background	19:42
mikki-kun	pointing at microB	19:42
BCMM	blackthorne: those are websites...	19:42
mikki-kun	we have that one for that :)	19:42
BCMM	what mikki-kun said	19:42
BCMM	also, i'm pretty sure there are multiple twitter clients	19:43
SpeedEvil	I get - idle - about 110 hours.	19:43
mikki-kun	we have the best browser on the market, why should we need an app for that then? (except for some flash-websites i admit which are otherwise killing your cpu-performance pretty hard)	19:43
MohammadAG	mikki-kun, no, his battery gets 14 hours	19:43
SpeedEvil	Or 4-5 days	19:43
MohammadAG	I was using it in my device	19:43
SpeedEvil	Logged into wifi with ssh up	19:44
mikki-kun	BCMM: problem is they are not good at "search"	19:44
mikki-kun	buggy or unwanted results coming up pretty often i read	19:44
BCMM	blackthorne: ok, there are a stupid number of twitter clients, do you not have extras or something?	19:44
BCMM	as for an ebay app, what on earth is that when it isn't a web browser?	19:44
MohammadAG	probably an iPhone convert, that thing has apps for everything	19:45
mikki-kun	i think he suspects getting faster loading times	19:45
BCMM	MohammadAG: i'm still not sure how there manage to be apps of websites	19:45
BCMM	are they all just shovelware that embeds a web browsing widget that's pointed at a stripped-down version of the site?	19:45
SpeedEvil	BCMM: esniper	19:45
MohammadAG	the same as the big website, with things in one list	19:45
SpeedEvil	http://sourceforge.net/projects/esniper/files/esniper/2.24.0/esniper-2-24-0.tgz/download	19:46
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SpeedEvil	esniper is very useful - it's a lightweight ebay sniping tool.	19:46
BCMM	SpeedEvil: ooh, didn't know they permitted taht	19:46
SpeedEvil	console	19:46
BCMM	probably wouldn't wanna do that over 3g...	19:46
SpeedEvil	It should actually compile with no issue at all on n900	19:46
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SpeedEvil	BCMM: Well - if you have a reliable connection.	19:47
BCMM	hmm	19:47
BCMM	it says ebay does try to block bots	19:47
SpeedEvil	I buy most things on ebay using it.	19:47
SpeedEvil	where?	19:47
BCMM	but doesn't have rules against automated sniping? wth?	19:47
BCMM	http://esniper.sourceforge.net/	19:47
pupnik	ty for the tip SpeedEvil	19:48
SpeedEvil	Oh - right	19:48
mikki-kun	nice to see something like that floating around... if i'd just need that though ^^	19:48
corecode	any idea how to implement a libsharing service in python?	19:48
mikki-kun	but will keep that in mind	19:48
SpeedEvil	I've not hit any captcha	19:48
SpeedEvil	ah	19:49
SpeedEvil	I see it's recent.	19:49
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SpeedEvil	I'm not getting any requests ofr captcaha - maybe my account is 'reliable	19:51
mikki-kun	maybe you've been long enough @ ebay they know you being not a bot	19:53
mikki-kun	Ö.ö why do i refer to "at" with @? Ö.ö either i am starting to compress information via symbols or my coffee levels are really low	19:54
JakDaRippa	i have the nokia n900. no sim card. using wifi. i have a pay skype account. i haven't been able to sms successfully. do i need a valid sim card to do this?	19:55
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: twitter	19:55
mikki-kun	SpeedEvil: i am not using that one	19:56
SpeedEvil	SMS can be done over skype?	19:56
mikki-kun	and never thought about getting one	19:56
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: @foo is a twitterism.	19:56
SpeedEvil	You definately need a valid SIM to send normal SMSs	19:56
JakDaRippa	SpeedEvil, i'm only able to msg other skype users.	19:56
JakDaRippa	ty	19:57
mikki-kun	JakDaRippa: i am not sure if skype-sms has been implemented to the n900	19:57
SpeedEvil	Well - I think there are some pilots that enable SMS to 911	19:57
SpeedEvil	which may work without but...	19:57
* RST38h ran powertop with and without skype account connected, and compared results. Freaking shiiiiiiiiiiiiii....		19:57
andre__	JakDaRippa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31085 comments 4 and 5	19:58
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JakDaRippa	ok	19:59
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trumee	RST38h: how about sip?	20:00
mikki-kun	RST38h: care to tell the difference?	20:00
pupnik	i assume skype chewed up battery	20:01
* trumee has his skype disabled. Only cares about sip calls.		20:02
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BCMM	trumee: i had some trouble with SIP - can you recommend a provider?	20:04
mikki-kun	pupnik: yeah, that's what i think as well, but just how much more is my queston ^^	20:04
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pupnik	19:00 < paulguy> I wonder if any porn magazines use latex for their typesetting.	20:04
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trumee	BCMM: plenty. Try voiptalk.org	20:04
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BCMM	why on earth is that a .org?	20:05
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trumee	BCMM: or sipgate.de/sipgate.co.uk	20:05
trumee	BCMM: its a uk based provider, no idea whey use .org	20:05
trx	what package do i need to install in order to use mysql client library?	20:07
BCMM	trumee: thanks	20:07
trumee	BCMM: np	20:07
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trx	does anyone know what package do i need in order to use mysql?	20:26
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lcuk	trx, at a guess, one of the mysql packages..	20:30
lcuk	http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=mysql&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same	20:30
lcuk	eek @ that uber url	20:30
trx	i cant see them in extras-devel repo	20:34
trx	thank you	20:34
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apic	Hello everybody.	20:44
Venemo	hello apic	20:44
apic	Somehow my eMMC stopped working. Can I somehow "cold format" it while booted?	20:44
apic	Most applications also lack RAM now...	20:44
apic	I failed my attempts at reflashing the vanilla thingy too	20:45
apic	Just the 256 MB integrated RAM now, not the whole gig... :-(	20:45
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apic	What device on /dev should it get? I just see my microSD card at /dev/mmcblk1 now. Should it get assigned /dev/mmcblk0?	20:46
apic	dmesg tells me something about a corractable ECC error..	20:46
apic	.	20:46
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apic	s/ract/rect/	20:46
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, figured it out..........	20:48
NooBmonk3y	2 QT creator versions on my computer!!! and it keeps loading the old one rather than the new one!	20:48
SpeedEvil	apic: no - they are hardware, not logical addresses	20:49
MohammadAG	...	20:50
SpeedEvil	apic: Unfortunately, some people have had hardware failures of the emmc.	20:50
MohammadAG	remove the one installed by ubuntu	20:50
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, will do :p - just wanna make sure i do the right one!	20:51
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luke-jr	apic: there is only 256 MB RAM, not a gig	21:06
apic	Ok, so I'll just buy a big SDHC card and use mmcblk1 instead of mmcblk0 for swap	21:07
apic	What capacity can it cope with as a maximum?	21:08
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SpeedEvil	apic: 16G	21:08
apic	Ok, thanks.	21:08
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SpeedEvil	apic: the normal software stack as I understand it will not work without the mmc	21:08
SpeedEvil	you'd need to patch it in some way	21:09
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MohammadAG	SpeedEvil, 32GB works	21:12
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trumee	MohammadAG: any idea if Power Kernel has pulse-audio patches?	21:14
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MohammadAG	not that I know of, no	21:15
MohammadAG	and pulseaudio is userspace	21:15
MohammadAG	not kernelspace	21:15
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: no PA patched in kernel-power	21:15
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e-yes	hi all. is there simple way to get is power supply connected or not using gpio? (in kernel)	21:17
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SpeedEvil	e-yes: why?	21:20
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SpeedEvil	e-yes: You can, but you probably9 don't want to do it that way.	21:21
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SpeedEvil	Unless you're writing a bootloader	21:21
SpeedEvil	#maemo-hostmode-discussion may be of use to you. Look at the links in the topic	21:21
SpeedEvil	ADFK	21:22
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e-yes	SpeedEvil, i can't use i2c (other drivers/userland soft fail if i open i2c device in kernel). Also using /sys is not good idea (afaik no way to use it except opening as files). Thx for invite, however, I've added m-h-d channel to favorites;)	21:26
* e-yes looking for best way for "int is_ac_connected(void)" implementation. (I need it for pda_power integration)		21:28
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nox-	moin	21:32
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NooBmonk3y	anyone managed to get QAudioDeviceInfo::availableDevices displaying anything on the n900?	21:53
NooBmonk3y	tried about 4 months ago, and same result today :( - nothing found :(	21:53
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NooBmonk3y	ahhhhhhhh ffs "The low level audio classes (including QAudioInput) are not supported on maemo 5/N900. If Qt Mobility 1.1.1 or later is released for N900 that may change."	21:57
NooBmonk3y	everytime i dig deeper into qtmobility i get shot back :(	21:57
Jay_BEE	not cool at all	21:58
MohammadAG	isn't 1.2 out?	21:59
NooBmonk3y	not mobility	22:00
NooBmonk3y	1.1 is	22:00
NooBmonk3y	1.1.1 isnt	22:00
NooBmonk3y	but out and out for maemo seems to be a different thing	22:00
MohammadAG	lol	22:01
Jay_BEE	even though they consider maemo5 a tier 1 platform	22:01
* MohammadAG gives NooBmonk3y a hint		22:01
MohammadAG	babyphone	22:01
MohammadAG	have a look at its source	22:01
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GAN900	Why do crazy people think I want to hear their crazy theories.	22:01
NooBmonk3y	babyphone?	22:01
GAN900	Great, so the mantle is full of water and "highly volatile" carbon.	22:01
RST38h	Because they ran out of other opportunities?	22:02
GAN900	Evidently.	22:02
SpeedEvil	e-yes: what do you mean by that. There are allied projects perhaps.	22:03
crashanddie	what are the good websites / leads for IT jobs in the US?	22:04
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NooBmonk3y	meh, doesnt quite do what i want	22:04
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MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, I said source, not binary	22:06
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NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, i am lol	22:07
NooBmonk3y	its calling what it needs diectly	22:07
NooBmonk3y	i'm trying to call all available input/outputs	22:07
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NooBmonk3y	according to qt, pulseaudio seems to be playing around, again.......	22:08
GAN900	How does the clock's "Update automatically" setting get turned off. . . .	22:08
GAN900	crashanddie, moving to the US?	22:08
SpeedEvil	Move to the UK	22:08
andre__	GAN900, clicking on the digits of the clock. Totally non-intuitive.	22:08
crashanddie	GAN900: nha, trying to help out a friend	22:08
GAN900	andre__, love it.	22:08
crashanddie	GAN900: he got inspired by my success story moving to the UK, so he thought he'd do the same with NY	22:09
crashanddie	problem is, the guy wouldn't be able to explain what the difference between UDP and TCP is	22:09
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GAN900	Oof	22:11
DocScrutinizer	trumee: (no PA patches) the more interesting it'll be to find what actually causes the problem	22:11
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: that will be more trick if i dont know which patch to leave out in kernel-power	22:12
DocScrutinizer51	binary dissect	22:14
DocScrutinizer51	include (a reasonably selected) 'half' of all the patches	22:15
trumee	ls -l patches/\|wc -l > 40 patches	22:16
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MohammadAG	is there a way to make tar use all cores?	22:16
DocScrutinizer51	trumee: after 5 kernels to test you know which patch it's been	22:18
DocScrutinizer51	maybe 6	22:19
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* MohammadAG needs a scratchbox with an epically fast internet connection		22:27
MohammadAG	short for ^ cba to upload 67MBs cause t-tan is lazy to do it himself	22:27
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: (multithreaded tar) probably not, esp for compressing	22:31
DocScrutinizer	all threads need to operate on one dictionary	22:32
DocScrutinizer	well, that's actually the gz part	22:32
DocScrutinizer	the tar part even works on one output file, while tar'ing	22:33
MohammadAG	nah, I want it for decompressing	22:34
DocScrutinizer	that's quite easy: have several tar instances extracting one of the files	22:34
MohammadAG	PSFreedom's modules don't play well with headers, they need the whole kernel compiled, so I need kernel-power-source as a package	22:35
MohammadAG	so I could build depend on it	22:35
MohammadAG	sadly, t-tan thinks it's too much work, so I'm maintaining it separately	22:35
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DocScrutinizer	definitely suboptimal management of the sources	22:35
MohammadAG	also, broadcom isn't helping, it went down from 490+ kbps (2 minute download) to 14 or something	22:36
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DocScrutinizer	tzz	22:37
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MohammadAG	oh nice, 1h24m	22:38
MohammadAG	fuck you broadcom	22:38
NooBmonk3y	lol	22:38
DocScrutinizer	if pk was based on stock repository, you'd not see such problems	22:39
DocScrutinizer	in a proper git tree I mean	22:39
MohammadAG	he told me he removed the crap manually :/	22:39
MohammadAG	so he actually made it worse on purpose	22:39
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, no clue how to patch out a whole file then?	22:40
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crashanddie	patch out a whole file?	22:40
DocScrutinizer	versus "remove crap by hand"	22:41
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crashanddie	patch only applies a diff to a file	22:41
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DocScrutinizer	so the diff has a lot of - lines then?	22:42
crashanddie	I guess you're better off just patching out the whole file, and then remove empty files	22:42
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crashanddie	yeah	22:42
crashanddie	at least as many as the original	22:43
crashanddie	or commenting out, I guess	22:43
MohammadAG	no, he's not using a diff	22:43
MohammadAG	he removed them from the source	22:43
crashanddie	I'm lost	22:45
MohammadAG	stock kernel's source makes a kernel-source package, he removed the lines in debian/control and debian/rules that do so	22:46
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DocScrutinizer51	we need a clean alternative - at very least for h-e-n	22:49
crashanddie	MohammadAG: that still didn't explain what the problem was...	22:49
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MohammadAG	crashanddie, I can't apt-get source from a debian/rules file	22:51
MohammadAG	I need to depend on a .deb package, and I need both kernels since maemo lacks dkms	22:51
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